Life After Breaking Bad: Walt Jr. Exposes The Dark Side Of Child Acting, Money, & Greed | RJ Mitte

28:25but like if the neighborhood's nice but it's not a four million dollar nice neighborhood you know I mean you can't have that you're gonna destroy the market

28:33Graham Stephan:in that community she putting it up at that price gets a lot of publicity because I saw that listing went up it was on the front page of like Yahoo and CNN and all these places the Breaking Bad houses for sale asking four million bucks that drives a lot of people to go and just take a look at it again but there's a fence though man that's my thing is I wish like the city of Albuquerque or like the state would you know re redo it you know they she put up the fence they've done a lot of remodeling it's not the same house but i i wish whatever like the state or someone would come in and bring it back to what it originally was because it was a great house and you know it really means a lot to a lot of fans and i i think the impact that that breaking bad has had on the city in new mexico you know there has been positive aspect there's been negative aspects but there's also been many positive aspects.

29:26Graham Stephan:I think, yeah, Bryan Cranston should buy it. If anyone could buy it, Bryan could probably buy it. There's a Simpsons house in Vegas, you know that? Really? Yeah. What do you mean Simpsons house? It's the house that was, it's identical to the Simpsons. It was either, the Simpsons was based on this house or this house was created to be identical to the Simpsons house. And you could drive by it. I had no idea. Yes. That's really cool. Yes, and it looks almost identical to the real Simpsons house. See, the question is how many people try to break into it, though. Nobody breaks into it, as far as I'm aware.

30:00Graham Stephan:But it does become a bit of a tourist attraction where you can go and look at the Simpsons house in Las Vegas. That's pretty sick. I think I've seen it on Instagram. There's a lot of, you know, I think what they've done, like, you know, the Sopranos home. Yeah. And, you know, Beverly Hills, like the houses in, like, First Prince of Bel-Air and stuff like that. But I find these are like staples of television history. And I think when a house gets to that point, there should be some form of historical preservation. You know what? You're right. Because the Home Alone house, they were asking 5.9 million.

30:34Graham Stephan:And I actually thought objectively it was a good deal. The Brady Bunch house, I remember when that got listed, they got like 100 offers on this house. And it sold way over asking, I believe, to HGTV because they were going to do something with it. But their other bidder was either from like NSYNC or Backstreet Boys. Like it was some musical artist who was like bidding against HGTV to buy the Brady Bunch house. But it's a one of a kind house. See, that's the thing. It's you're you're you're not necessarily buying the property. You're buying the history. Like, you know, I do a lot of work with historical preservation and restoring historical stuff in Texas.

31:13And, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, 100 years, 50 years will go by. I was being generous with 100. 50 years will go by and these, like, people will still go visit these iconic locations. And it carries over. And so I think that's what the number is, is the history.

31:35Graham Stephan:I'm telling you, we could make a fortune if we go 50-50 on this house, do Airbnb on it, but you promote the house. that would do so well. Like 80-20? Like, yeah. 80-20. There's got to be some component of you marketing us, but I honestly think as an Airbnb, it would do insane numbers. Someone has to plug the cash flow on this because at a certain price, you could overpay for it and make your money back in the first year. Graham, you're giving away some sauce right here. Someone's going to do this. No one's going to do it. That's what I'm saying. If we did it. I mean... It would do so well. I'll keep an eye on it.

32:15I think it would do well. I think you would have to... I think it would be more than a year to get your capital, especially...

32:21Graham Stephan:No, but just the amount you overpay. I'm saying if it's worth 1.2 and you pay like, you know, 1.5, let's just say. You make your money back. You whittle it down. I think you're probably going to make it back in like five years. Like, you can't over... You can't gouge people. $1 ,500 a night? Insurance isn't one size fits all. and shopping for it shouldn't feel like squeezing into something that just doesn't fit. That's why drivers have enjoyed Progressive's Name Your Price tool for years. With the Name Your Price tool, you tell them what you want to pay and they show you options that fit your budget.

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33:28Graham Stephan:I think people will pay$1 ,500 a night to stay at the Breaking Bad house. Minimum of two nights. That's still going to take a long time to make it. I guess if you put like 20 % down, what kind of bank is going to lend against like$4 million houses? I mean, hey, you know, stranger things have happened. I'm curious, for the budget of Breaking Bad, what did they pay you just for that first episode? These days, it seems like everybody is chasing the next big thing in investing, such as myself. But if you're actually serious about it, you need a platform built for that. That's exactly why today's sponsor is Public, the investing platform built for serious investors.

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35:29But up until that point, it was a struggle every year. And Vince and the writing team, they fought. And a gentleman who worked at AMC at the time named Charlie Collier, and he really fought to keep Breaking Bad on AMC.

35:46Graham Stephan:Like, it was a battle. So I read online it was$250 for the pilot. Like, for who? For you. $250. Was it just for the pilot? Yeah, I read something online. And again, this is online. It was either like a Wikipedia. It was the basic SAG, SAG recurring scale. I don't, I don't, trust me, it wasn't much. It's crazy to me. Do you get residuals though on streaming? Because I thought that was the big. No, it doesn't exist anymore. Like that's, that's been a big issue over the past decade in our industry, especially with older actors. um you know the streaming services you don't really get your residuals and that and your residuals once you get older your residuals are pretty much what keeps your insurance alive like once you can't work anymore and so so like it's it's a very niche industry you know i i've seen like you know how how these types of interviews work and how the new media structure works As far as like television and film, you know, streaming is good for the networks themselves, but as far for the artists, you're kind of getting the minimum.

36:57You get more reach, you can make a name for yourself, but it's not like it used to be.

37:03Graham Stephan:So when they took it from TV to Netflix, you didn't see a huge skyrocket in income, despite the show being viewed more times than ever. No, you get one check and you're like, catch in nine years. And like that check is like, oh, I mean, I'm not saying that they weren't paying people on Breaking Bad, but I was the youngest kid on this show. You know what I mean? It was my very first role. So what could happen if you're like six seasons in or five seasons into Breaking Bad and you're just like, I'm done? Are you contractually obligated to keep going for as long as they want you to go? Or what happens if you just want to step back?

37:42Well, with a show like Breaking Bad, you usually die. they get they write it but then sometimes they sometimes they revisit it like in dexter you know how his dad always comes back and it's like see but but if you look at like some of those connections and relationships with like with like um like like the actual main character like number one on the cost sheet right like those those people were really ingrained deep into like the producing writing opinions like they're not just acting they're they're across the board on decision making for the show and so like they will be like i like this guy i don't care what y 'all say we're bringing him back and again that can create conflict but that's interesting so they just like if you want to step back they just basically make it so you've died like if you wanted if you want it out and like like an assholey kind of way yeah like shows like breaking bad shows like dexter like oh dude you accents happen all the time like especially for these characters.

38:42Graham Stephan:But then you also probably ruin your reputation in that circle. Yeah. Like, this guy just walked out on us. Yeah. Let's not work on... Why would you work with someone that's kind of like, you know, so here's, it's funny that you bring that up. So I was in a rollercoaster accident while I was filming Breaking Bad. I had like a metal bar shot in my arm. What? And I ripped out all my like elbow stuff. How? I was like 15. Oh yeah, how does this happen? So, you know, don't go the first week to a brand new roller coaster and it was you that got hit was someone else around you that also i was like the ninth person that got injured that day did they have insurance that's the first thing in my life so what i messed up was i didn't want to wait for the ambulance it was like a 45 minute wait and so i was like i'm going to my hospital right now because like this kid's like i'm like bleeding out of my elbow right here the ride starts it hits me in the arm and then the ride takes off so the pressure builds and builds and builds in my elbow and as we're going through this i'm like in my head i'm like man this is gonna hurt tomorrow like i because of the adrenaline and the ride stops i just hear screaming and i'm like oh my god what happened behind me and we go to get off and everyone behind me is wiping like blood off of them and i'm like what happened and this this worker like that was working the the the the ride it's like you're bleeding and i'm like huh and i looked down and i'm just like wait so what what exactly did you hit your arm on so apparently there that's that's a very good question that we never fully found the answer to after a lawsuit but but going to my point of why i bring this up is they told me because i went through like three surgeries and like they gave me a bunch of pills and i'm like I'm not taking these pills.

40:35And after three surgeries after that, they're like, look, like you're injured, but if you are that injured, you should quit your job. And my job was breaking back. And so like, I made the decision. I was like, I'm done with you guys, whatever. I can, I've done the surgeries. I've done the things I've done the nerve testing. like I'm not quitting my job and and and just like buried it like you know like just did the

41:06Graham Stephan:physical therapy you didn't get like a huge payout from this or maybe there was some something I got my I got my medical bills covered which was like a lot still oh my god that was the point if I wanted the payout, I had to quit the show. So your elbow was kind of like... Oh, dude. I mean, you can't see it on camera, but you see there's a little hole, right? Yeah, yeah. It shot in and rotated. Whoa. See the right? It didn't hurt. It didn't hurt at all. That's crazy. But what hurt the most is when I got to the hospital because they're like, hey, so we can't x-ray it because it's a puncture wound.

41:43We have to... We got to make sure there's no metal in it. And that, in my opinion, was probably... i'd probably say in the top five most painful things i've experienced in my life and this dude sat on top of me because of the angle i had to lay like this and there this big nurse was with these big old long pliers just digging in my arm and i had like headphones i'm just like listening to something and like i'm just like and good times but but the reason why but like the reason why I bring that is they wanted me to quit the show, you know? And when you have a show and you have something that you feel very passionate about, there's no reason to walk away from it.

42:31You know, there's like, there's, there's, there's every reason to no matter what, push forward and make it happen regardless. Jeez. So we're mostly like a financial podcast. It's sort of where we're coming from. And you've claimed before that Breaking Bad did not make you a millionaire no no not even not even close i i've i've paid more in taxes than i got from breaking bad how is how does that how is that possible it's just the name of the game with it like you know young kid like you just you like i didn't really see a lot of like like i i you know i had a team a big team at one point and i was traveling the world doing stuff and like some mostly my team like i'm like i i was paying to keep my career going oh i see like i was paying to keep keep pushing forward and to keep doing that and everything went back into the business so like as far as like excess did you have the coogan account i did so it was that that was

43:36Graham Stephan:going in there yeah but not even close to triple digits see what's crazy is that google says your net worth is$5 million. Where did they get that number from? I honestly don't know. I think I think it's so what I've earned in my entire life. One thing that did put a damper on me, I did have a bad business manager. I did. I got I got royally like hammered. So what in my last four years of my highest earning series? What was the justification behind the business manager making certain decisions? Um, I wanted to protect my funds. So I got a, you know, I was 18, 19, like 17, 18. You hear all the bad stories, right?

44:21You're like, Hey, I, uh, I wanted to like, I was like, okay, I'm going to get a business accountant. Like up until that point, I always managed it. My family, we always, you know, filled the sheets out, did the things always had it. And then I was like, you know, I really, everyone's kind of pushing me to, to make sure that I have a proper accountant. dude i got eaten so did he just invest your money poorly or did he siphon funds from you like what was the main and what year was that so i was i was around 17 so i'd probably say this was around like 2011 rough time in the market like like 2011 2012 2013 um and and so like i i can't go into details because this person um i don't know is still out there but i know she got 14 other actors i was like one of this big group that she was targeting like primarily people with disabilities elderly like older actors in the industry and uh and worked at the sheriff's department where she had her office at so she could you would have to file at that sure and so

45:35Graham Stephan:How does she lose the money? Like, is it poor investments? Is it high expenses? You just didn't get it? No, she didn't lose it. She was just siphoning funds. She was siphoning funds. Like, literally, I would write a check. I'd write a check to go pay my taxes. And instead of her using it to pay my taxes, she would send me a fake filing of taxes and take that money. And so at the end of the day, though, it's my negligence. So regardless with that, the IRS doesn't really care about you. They only care that you make sure that you are paying it. And anyone else that handles that is your fault because you did not do your due diligence.

46:19Is she still working today or is she like in jail? She's around.

46:24Graham Stephan:That's what happened to the guy. It's very common. It only took me 10 years to pay it off. 10 years? To pay off your taxes? It was a rough thing. But, like, you know, it was a lesson learned. And it's like, you know, I've always been very savvy in my finances. You know, I was treasurer for my organization for eight years, and we've always done well. And I've always been very good about it. And, you know, I look at it as a blessing and a curse. But it gave me knowledge that, like, no one has. Steve Harvey had the same thing happen to him. Same thing. He was paying his accountant. The accountant would cash the check, and then he would just get a fake receipt.

47:12A fake receipt, yeah. They'd just make a mock of it. It all looks legit, and they're like, here you go. And then like three or four or five years later, with compound interest at like 13%, 14 % or 17 % interest on that total number for each year, you get this nice big check coming for you. How did you get a letter from the IRS? I didn't get one until it was like too late. Like, yeah. Did people show up at your house? No, I had, you know, I have attorneys and stuff that I've like, because I work, you know, I'm on top of stuff. I wasn't on top of that. And so, like, it was just one of those days you get a letter and it's like your heart drops.

47:55Who do you call after you get that letter? You call your CPA. You call a license. And what did she say? Well, not her. You call another attorney. You call a forensic accountant. And then you figure out, okay, how, what happened? What did she say? Good luck. How? Would she even talk to you? I mean, it was really, really complicated. Like, it, so I was able, I was young enough to really, like, be able to, like, you know, I just, I cut her off. I changed, I canceled the accounts. We shut down the system. We shut down the bleeding. And luckily, I immediately was like, hey, guys, we're good. Let me go.

48:41I'm just going to go work for the next whatever, however long to pay this off. And so other though, there were 13 others. I actually want to make a show about it. I've actually been writing a show on this. I'm not even going to mention it yet.

48:57Graham Stephan:How do you not go after her criminally? Well, when the same person that you're trying to go after criminally is the same person you have to report the criminal filing to. Couldn't you report it anywhere else? Stay in California, you have to do it in the area that she's licensed in. Couldn't you just have a lawyer do it on your behalf? And it's going to be filed. Yeah. I'd be going after it. For tens of thousands of dollars, which you don't have at that point. Any lawyer would take that. Any lawyer would take that on contingency. You still owe your negligence. Yeah, you still owe it. You still owe it.

49:30Graham Stephan:But my point being is that if she, just as an example, got$100 ,000, I guarantee she has$100 ,000 of assets that you could seize. I think it's criminal. It's not like you would go both. You'd be going after her personally. Yeah, but it's also wired. It's not in her name. It's all like it's very complicated. Like I can't go into detail because this is still an ongoing investigation. I would say pursue it. We've tracked it to offshore account shell companies. Oh, gosh. No, this is a, we're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. We're talking tens of millions of dollars. And once it's out of the country, there's really not much you can do.

50:05And when you're targeting older actors, and you're targeting people that, like, are structured pay, and once they lose that foundation underneath them, they kind of just can't fight anymore. It's super messed up. And this happens to millions of people. Did you talk to all of the other, like, victims of this? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We're all in connection. We're all still in contact. There's still a whole thing going on right now. But they're pursuing it. No, there's nothing to pursue. Dude, I'm telling you. Yeah, I know.

50:35Graham Stephan:Once the money goes beyond a certain point, you can't get it back. There's nothing there. But you could at least put this person behind bars. We know some great lawyers. It's a little more complicated than that, though. You think, yes, you can, but you're talking like years of litigation, years of appeals, years of forensic accountants. Okay, so the cost of that's probably going to be in the millions. And then it's like, can you recover? Probably not. What do you do? Put her in jail. Yeah. It's conflict. Again, though, this is very, very common, especially the young actors. That's mind-blowing.

51:16And it happens every day.

51:18Graham Stephan:It's probably happening right now somewhere. So what's your advice to newer actors today when it comes to their finances? You know, record it, mark down every dollar, you know, keep track of it, you know, stay on top of it, you know, know where you're spending your money, how you're spending your money. I think technology today is getting stronger and stronger in where you can't hide money like you used to. Like you used to, it's like, oh yeah, we have this stack of paper. Yeah, just get put in a shelf. No one's going to find it. But now today it's more digitized. I mean, again, I do my best. I'm a fairly frugal person.

51:58But it's really about just knowing where your money is coming in and where your money is going out. And once you have those two basic things down, there's more learning. But if you know, you know where every dollar is going. I can tell you where every dollar that I have goes. like like down down to to how i how where it came in to where it's going yeah so where are you making most of your money today and how are you investing um i make most of my money through speaking um speaking engagements i shoot about a movie a year um i do a lot of um you know i raise more funds though for non-profits than i make like by a lot um which is how it should be uh but uh most of my most of my income comes from movies i i try to shoot a movie a year um they're nothing crazy for the most part low budget but you know that's kind of it's about grinding you know and staying in it and staying active and constantly putting yourself out there for different projects like like here today you know like you know people are going to see this and they're going to be inspired and who knows you know since we met with ian and now this and we've we've kind of kept this waterfall effect going through this trip um and just enjoying it you know it is crazy

53:16Graham Stephan:how we got here so for those that don't know i saw beast games on amazon and it was macy's idea to send jeff the winner a dm on instagram yeah just sent him a dm and he was here a few days later to talk about it and then we became really great friends with him and then through them we met madged okay and he was also a winner on mr beast we became friends and then through that ian bick yeah and then through ian us and then on top of that after this we're gonna go try the best steaks in the world with joshua weissman who's here in vegas and he invited us to go eat some steaks with him we're like oh well we're filming a podcast yeah you know can we bring can we bring rj and he's like absolutely like that sounds amazing so now like it's weird like the cobweb of connection.

54:02You never know what's going to happen. It's a very small world. And I find if you treat everyone with grace and kindness and care, like you really don't know how far it goes and the impacts I can have. And it's definitely been a fun 24 hours. Yeah. So when you got your

54:20Graham Stephan:first big paycheck though for Breaking Bad, what did you spend it on? I'd probably say it was in the second season when i got a nice when i got my first nice check like and i bought me a pair of louis vuitton shoes no yeah i still have them today i wear them yeah i you still wear them i still yeah they still they look brand new why how do they look brand new i just took care of them you don't take care of your shoes i guess not no not like that yeah like that no that was one of my first like i i honestly don't collect a lot of things like i pretty much have everything that i've ever significantly been given or got myself since i was like nine and i've carried this stuff around do you have like a ton of things then yeah i got what do you what do you have i got lots of things uh no um so like i mean as far as like what like breaking bad stuff like i got a bunch of meth from the show okay like but like from season one okay so it's like matured yeah it's like a fine wine i don't know about that still rock candy um i have like my crutches um you know i have i have those shoes i bought i have like you know memorabilia yeah i always I, I, when I'm given like art and stuff, I can't throw it away.

55:45I, I, I would, I went to try to clear out some stuff and I felt so guilty when I tried to throw this one piece. I'm like, I can't, I put it back in the box. I'm like, you know, I always want to have that. If one day I run into them and they're like, Hey, remember that thing I gave you? I can say without, without out like question yes i do still have it it's it's in my it's it's in my storage that's dangerous because now i feel like most people when they see it they'll be like okay if i ever see him i gotta give him something because he'll hold on to it forever you're just gonna have people like screening lines just giving you yeah new thing it's it's quite it's quite the way but but um i'm a collector like i have all my original pokemon cards since i was a child like like Like every pack that I opened when I was like nine years old.

56:35And they're all still in mint condition. What sort of Breaking Bad memorabilia did you keep? I have my crutches. That's great. Yeah, and they're pretty sick. You know, I have a Heisenberg hat. I got some pairs of underwear. I have some of my clothes. You know, I took really the only thing I truly wanted, after the show was my crutches. And I was like, my big one grab was like, at the end of the series, these are mine. So how does anyone fight you on that? They're like, well, I kind of want it. Like, the grip.

57:14Graham Stephan:How do you sneak things away off of set? And do they allow you to take these, or do people just kind of like take? You know that saying it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission? So I kind of asked the right people. was like hey you think this is going to cause a problem and they're like

57:37And I was like, okay. And then a few years later, the Smithsonian wanted him. And I was like, no, I'm kidding. And you just like, you just store them? I have them, yeah. Do you ever use them? No, no. They're memorabilia. I keep them.

57:52Graham Stephan:Why wouldn't you give it to the Smithsonian though for display? They're mine. Couldn't you give it on a loan? No, they don't do consignment. Oh, really? At all. They have to own it. But they're missing out. I mean, these are like. Well, they have another pair, but they're not the originals. You know? Wow. Think about this. I used these crutches for seven years straight. Like, I was on those crutches for seven years. And, like, they just, I had a hard time, like, when they were like, I thought about giving them. You know, I thought about, like, yeah. And then I was like, I was like, man, I'd rather have them with me.

58:31I know it makes sense. It's not like something that was kind of fly by night. Like this was something that you held onto for a long, long time. Yeah. Yeah. What about Heisenberg's hat? So I don't have an original, I don't have an original Heisenberg hat. Brian has his hat. But I have the same guy who made the, I forget the style of cap, not bowler cap, but, but that, that, that type of hat, the hat maker who made all of them, we have like a box and It has a photo of Brian as Heisenberg with the glasses, and it's like a yellow top and has this gorgeous hat in it. That has to be crazy valuable. Like the authentic crutches, like a hat.

59:13Graham Stephan:What do you think it's worth? Have you been offered money for it before? I did get offered some money for it. The crutches have to be over$100 ,000. Yeah, it was over$100 ,000. $100 ,000? Yeah, they have to be. No. I got offered it. I don't exactly remember the amount, but I do remember it was very significant. Is there a price where you would say, all right, a million dollars for the grudges? Two million. No. Wow. I think movie memorabilia is so cool to buy and collect. It is. I remember the original Beetlejuice book went up for auction, and it sold at some crazy price. The guide, right? The guide?

59:51Graham Stephan:Yeah, but it sold at some crazy price. But I think stuff like that is so cool to collect. It's one of a kind. It's so memorable. We were watching Gremlins the other night. I was thinking, how cool would it be to get an original little Gremlin thing? Like an original Gizmo? Yeah. My dream would be able to get something from The Nightmare Before Christmas. Like one of the actual little... Like stock motion guys? Stock motion. Like a giant skeleton? I would do anything. To get one of those little things or about like this tall, I would do anything. I'm sure they would sell for a stupid price, but I can't see how that wouldn't be worth a ton of money in the future.

1:00:26Graham Stephan:I love that. I mean, I think again though, it's all about perspective. But you know, why don't you just hit up Tim Burton and be like, hey, you mind making me a little Jack Skeleton? So what's funny is I met Danny Elfman at his warehouse and he had them everywhere. And I couldn't help but just think, oh my God, like all the little ones just around, all the memorabilia from all of his films were just with Tim Burton were there. And just to be able to look and be like, that was it. How special is that? Insane. Like, you know, I'm one of those people, I tell my family, it's going to be my will. No one, it's going to be like, no one's allowed to sell my stuff.

1:01:08Even after I'm dead. I've already put it in there. I'm like, no one's allowed to like, I'm going to like, it's going to be like a little museum. It's like, it's all yours. I'm not here. It's all yours.

1:01:19Graham Stephan:But see, if you put them in the Breaking Bad house that you purchase behind some glass, could just be an artifact that people walk in. That's a money right there. You could get such a good ROI on that. I really do. But the thing is, though, is what would be, like, how long before return? What's your initial investment? Because, you know, she still wants$4 million, and that's not including the real estate fee. I bet you could negotiate the price down. She would sell to you cheaper than she would sell to other people. I mean, possibly, maybe like a hundred year lease purchase. Where it's like, okay, hey, look, we're going to do this.

1:02:03I want to pay you$4 million in my lifetime.

1:02:07Graham Stephan:So speaking of money, though, you've said before that you respect money, but you don't like what it does to people. I'm curious, how have you seen money? I hate money. How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood? Hollywood, you mean the world. Like, literally, like, you know, money is a tool. Like, I look at money as, you know, it's a tool. It's sadly a necessity in life. We need money to survive. It doesn't matter who you are unless you are rural, local, native, populated. Like, you know, there's people that have lived a certain way for hundreds of years. you know, but in a modern day society, you know, capital, money, you can't do anything without it pretty much.

1:02:52You can't, you, you have to have these structures. And sadly people, like, as you offer, like, what's my number, right? You're like a mil, two mil. People do have numbers, sadly. And, and what someone is willing to do for the right number never ceases to amaze me. And, and people will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. And, and, you know, growing up, I've always worked. I've never, I've never not had a job in my life. Even as like a, like five-year-old kid, uh, I would be like chores around the house. Let me go help pick fruit. Let me go do this. Let me go, whatever, whatever it may have been.

1:03:37Um, I always, I always liked working. And, and so for me, it's not about necessarily like I need money to survive, but I enjoy the working. I enjoy the camaraderie. I enjoy what, what I'm doing out there and money just helps it get that way. But I don't really set a number for myself. It's, does it have, does it make sense? Are we helping people? Are we changing lives? Are we having an impact? and then it also goes the opposite way you know with with what's your number what what would you be willing to do we do this oh we do this all the time it gets it gets horrible this is her favorite

1:04:16Graham Stephan:the most depraved things in the car of like yo what what would you do that for like 50 grand 100 grand and we always get to a number we're like all right i gotta say grams numbers for some pretty like sus things are pretty low i'm just willing to put that out there guys you know what's funny they're surprisingly low jack paid me once i thought it was the easiest money ever we have it on video a licking a moldy bagel and it was right on the mold yeah and it was blue mold and i said 15 bucks and jack says all right you have to leave it on there for how many yeah i said you have to leave it on there like five seconds like 15 for five seconds is a great roi and i i just do it and i feel some like burning sensation on my tongue like you know what's funny is what is$15 doing for you?

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1:05:59Graham Stephan:You hit the ceiling, you know? I licked it and then I just washed my mouth afterwards. It was so easy. I'm just saying$15 to Graham now, it's like he can refresh his Schwab account and instantly, in like literally the millisecond, in the millisecond he refreshes it, it could vary by probably$1 ,000. It's not going to make any. It was so easy to do. It's not, see, that's where people mix up. It's not about the money or how much the money. It's just about, it's the action of it. It's the bet of it. No, it's just the ratio. To grandma, it was literally like, if I can make$15 in five seconds, then my minute wage is this, my hour wage is this, and that's higher than I make when I'm editing.

1:06:39Yes, exactly. And it's like, dude. Exactly.

1:06:42Graham Stephan:Per hour, that's a really high amount per hour. I mean, that is, if you take that to minutes, to hours, to months, that is quite a no. If he could make a career and be a billionaire by just licking moldy bagels with that. If I could just do that for eight hours a day straight for$15 a second. Let's make sure your health insurance and life insurance policy is in check for that, though. But going back to that point about my comment, people, desperate people, you know, money doesn't like people with money or people that have power with money don't freely give anything. It all comes at a cost. And when you have someone that desperately needs it, that's willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power.

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1:10:42I agree with that. I think that acquiring money for the sake of just simply having money is where it starts to get dicey. If you think that money in and of itself is of value, instead of seeing money as a tool or a vessel to get something else, to help other people, to be able to provide for your family, to be able to go on a trip. Maybe it's been years since you've been on a trip and you're like, well, if I get this amount of money, I can now do that. Instead of just like getting money for the sake of it. I saw this one video that went super viral. It's unfortunately hilarious, but it's also bad.

1:11:11this guy pays another guy like a hundred bucks to drink a little bit of Ipecac

1:11:15Graham Stephan:oh I saw that dude that's like 20 years ago yeah but that video like too it grosses you out and it also is kind of like I always think of the Family Guy episode what's that one? with the Ipecac I don't remember that where they all drink the Ipecac and they're throwing up all over the love I've just seen that that's where initially that video I feel comes from but yeah Yeah. No, it, it, when you start putting yourself in harm to make a quick buck, like the mold. I don't think that's harmful though. See, if I, if I genuinely thought I'd be like sick or out the day, I wouldn't do it. Yeah. No, but, but, but like take that scenario times 50 or times a hundred of whatever that is.

1:12:00People do do stuff like that though. We asked Togi recently. It was like a viral clip. He's a gambling fitness influencer sort of guy. We asked him if he'd remove a pinky finger for$10 million. And he said he'd remove his foot if he could for$10 million. And this guy makes a lot of money. I mean, you could buy a lot of feet for$10 million. That's a good point. I didn't think about that.

1:12:23Graham Stephan:It reminded me, though, I did get paid to eat a snail in Japan. I didn't want to eat the snail. Was it an edible snail? Yeah, it was cooked and garlic. But I didn't want to eat it. And then a buddy was like, I'll pay you 10 bucks to eat it. And I said, sure. See, my dad would do the same to me all the time. He was always like, he'd be like, here, eat this fat. I'm like trying to say, I'll give you 100 bucks. We do that with wasabi all the time. Eat the whole thing of wasabi, 20 bucks. 20 bucks. But, you know, I think there's a game, a friendly game of it. But then there's the darker version of that.

1:12:59And that's where the power is. And it's like, what would you, because, you know, we're talking like 20 bucks, like 100 bucks. But there are people that are doing this with hundreds of millions of dollars. Squid games, hunger games, sort of.

1:13:16Graham Stephan:But how is that much different from working a job, like a high-paid, high-stress job that you really dislike, but it pays you 200 grand a year? i mean there's a lot of people that live in lives that hate their jobs but they stay because they it's it's kind of an endless circle you know i i've definitely done jobs that i did not want to do but i did it because it was it was i was free and it was paying yeah like it like well then it's a win-win it's a win-win yeah but i find you cannot once you start questioning your morals like like i i believe everyone has a moral complex and and sometimes it doesn't always point the way it should but i believe once you start sacrificing who you are and like what when you start sacrificing your dreams to chase something else like chasing someone else's dream chasing someone else's money when you start losing what made you you and what what made you have passion or art because people get in the industry and they struggle the acting industry is not like a very like welcoming and warm industry everyone's we're all competing for the similar job we're all there's one role that we're all trying to get right zero some day yeah and and so like everyone's fighting for that one big break and and it's then it's like okay you had the big break where's the next big break where's the next big break and people were like okay well i'll be willing to do this if i can get into this movie or i can get on this show where when it's not just money are we talking like predatory behavior of like that that that sort of stuff yeah like i mean but that all is all money related.

1:15:05It's all based in money. It's all based in capital. And, and what are you willing to do to be on this show? What are you willing to do to get what you want? And I find you always have to stay true to yourself. And I know that's some lame thing that people say, but it's the reality of it. Cause once you start losing who you are as a person, what makes you, you, you've lost the game. Were you ever presented with any moral dilemmas like that, where you had to like think inwardsly okay well what what is the ethical thing to do here i i i had a moment where i had some people approach me and i they're like come with us we're going to make you a star and i said no and that was the last time i modeled so what would what did they want i'm not going into detail but i i i stopped it before like you could sense it i i knew i knew they wanted something that I was not willing to pay.

1:16:05You know, it's, there's something in life that we, we have and, and how far are you willing to go? You know, Breaking Bad is a great example of how far are you willing to go to get what you want is either for your family, for, for power, for whatever it is, how far are you willing to go? And, and for me, I've always kind of had like, um, like, uh, I'm not going to step past it.

1:16:29Graham Stephan:How common do you think that is? And do you think it's more common with with men or women or do you think it's equal you know i think it's a fine line i don't think it's because like it's it's not it's not a it's not a sex-based thing in my opinion it's a it's a it's a power again it's it's power it's money it's fame it's it's all these things that's the sex drugs and rock and roll of of of what are you willing to do to be at top what are you willing to do to be a star and there are certain people that like you see it happen where it's like they're a hit and everyone comes from you and it's sharks you know blend the water the sharks come they eat everyone gets fed and hopefully you stay the biggest shark until another day a bigger shark comes and eats you it sounds really stressful i love what i do yeah i love i i get to do amazing things around the world um you know i i work with numerous charities globally and and it it definitely is stressful but when you can see change in the world that you've done like and no one like I like I I've seen where my work was when I started with Breaking Bad in disability communities and advocacy and awareness to today like I feel very proud of all the people that I've worked with and all the teams and organizations and non-profits that we've, we've worked with and helped and raised funds.

1:17:53And we, I, I raise about, I'd probably say two to$3 million a year for nonprofits. Um, and, and, um, right annually. Um, and, and so like being able to see that change is, is in my opinion, the most valuable thing in this world. Could you shout out some of those nonprofits right now? We can leave links down below in the description. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm a big supporter of Shriners hospitals for children. Um, I was a Shriners kid when I was younger, I went to Shriners hospital from, from two to 18 and they do amazing things, not just for people with disabilities, but, but just across the board for families, um, United Cerebral Palsy, um, I'm actually going to go, uh, in the next couple of weeks, um, to do it, um, for United Cerebral Palsy, um, uh, San Diego, um, but they're national, you know, these both, both of these organizations are nationally.

1:18:46um and then i work with lots of local municipalities um and and you know i've done stuff with the un in like eastern europe and germany and but those are my those are my main two i like to i like to shout out and i'm curious in terms of investing do you invest in like stocks etfs real estate like how good read a good read goes a long way okay i'm sorry what were you about to say bitcoin I I I missed the biggest bullet of my life in 2009 man I remember being at Hollywood Tower I don't know if y 'all y 'all know where Hollywood Tower is off of um by the by the 101 freeway my friends live there and I remember being at this um this this radio um I forget what radio station it was but they would have these concerts and stuff and this dude's telling me about bitcoin he's like you gotta get it right now it's gonna revolutionize blah blah blah like all the things and i was like yeah i'm gonna get it i'm gonna get it and i don't know i thought i bought some i might have a laptop with someone somewhere that i really hope that i find one day uh but i i missed it but like i like ethereum i i do do a little gambling like shiva inu did you make money on it no i mean i think no i i well well i i um i'd probably say up on like 20 on my crypto market i don't have a lot of crypto like we're not we're talking like a couple of g's we're not talking like like tons of money i'm um i'm very careful with my personal funds as far as investing um Um, professionally, I, I, with the companies I work, we have different firms and stuff.

1:20:31And I've been the treasurer for many organizations over the years. Um, and you know, I'm a big fan of, of, of due diligence and transparency. And, and, um, most of my work I do, it's like, oh, if here it is, it's publicly. Um, but Charles Schwab. Good. Yeah. Yeah. They're great. I love, I love them. I've, I've had an account with them for a decade. Do you have a Charles Schwab guy? Like a guy you reach out to? too no i just we have a guy on the inside we can put you in contact yeah he's great it's good to call it's kind of like i just i i i like to i treat my stock account like gambling so i like penny stocks no are you serious yeah i'm one of those guys how do you get your penny stocks like where do you find them um so lately i've been using chat gpt to do a lot of the research i say hey find me these types of dividend stocks these find me these types of structures with large cap capital and no debt and i then have it pull up companies that have like i have i've gotten some that have a 1200x on it like i'm not we're not talking like a lot of money but like like it went from a i bought like 200 of it and now it's like 800 bucks do you do you have like index funds i have a couple do you have uh any real estate yeah yeah i i have i want one i i don't like to I also don't like to plug, plug like capital stuff, but, um, there's like a couple, I look for, for like index funds or real estate funds that again, have high asset allocations that, that have minimal debt and that show, um, gross income coming in.

1:22:14And so, I mean, I, you can't go wrong if they're making money. Right. Right. And so so I look at it across the board of, OK, is it losing money, but it has a high asset valuation or is it gaining money and have a low asset valuation? And so I always tend to choose something with assets, you know, something with tangible resources and growth potential.

1:22:38Graham Stephan:Very interesting. Well, you got a different thing or two about it. It's a different strategy. It's very different. It's almost it's kind of like gambling. It sounds like it, you know, typically. I'm a long-term holder. So I'm someone that, I have this one stock. It's an interstellar mining company. They have rights to asteroids. How do you even get a right to an asteroid? You file for the right to an asteroid. File who? With the government. Russia owns it. With aerospace. But how do we know America owns it instead of like... No one owns it. That's the thing. But then how do they own it? No one owns these flying rocks.

1:23:17So NASA identifies these types of structures, and you have all this space, and they can hit it with certain telescopes. You have asteroids that are made out of solid gold.

1:23:30Graham Stephan:But how do you get money off this? So over the next 30 years, they're going to mine these things. With what? With drone, drone hives, structured stuff. They're going to break off pieces, drop it, some of it allegedly in orbit. i would sell man i would get out of this thing um but how do we know that like they have the right we don't this is a great business is this is this a large percentage of your portfolio no no if it's money that you're comfortable playing around with you know we're talking like like it's it's increasing value but again i don't i most of my most of my income that i make it literally i make it myself um as far as like my stock stuff in my portfolio i use it with long term like like i got a couple like million shares of some stuff for a hundred bucks but like like you know what i mean like he's buying like 30 of the company i love monopoly are you like like a like more than 50 owner of any of these no no yes you got like 300 well the one the one that i'm talking about you see mattress warehouse he's buying like some kids lemonade stand yeah there's these two kids in um south dakota who sell the best lemonade like great roi do you do you have do you have any desire to also have some like like other more conservative investments like an index fund or anything no i i i do like you know like s &p type stuff yeah like you know i i mean for the most part like i i do um i do consultant for for different firms and stuff like that joking aside like financially like i i'm those are my joke ones um but like you know it's for me it's all about like long-term structured growth we reinvest dividends um you know power utility stuff structure like that okay yeah i was just i was just curious as long as like you could do all that stuff as long as you're also doing like no yeah no i i'm i'm um my like look i'm not rich or anything everyone always assumes everyone assumes i'm loaded but like i i work hard for every dollar i have and and since i over the past 20 years of learning in finance and doing different structures and running boards there's certain things that like you know where to invest And then there's the gambling.

1:26:05Graham Stephan:Do people ever hit you up for money because they see you on the show and they're like, dude, you must have. All the time. When the show first came out, someone hit me up to pay for their son's rehab. Oh, wow. And I blamed us and a whole thing about the show. And it's like, we've just had one episode. One episode? And they already were? Yeah, coming down pretty hard on it. in the beginning, you know, but like I, you know, I'm really good about protecting myself. I have a very tight knit family. Um, I don't really do anything or put myself to, I really don't, I do my best to keep my, um, keep myself out of vulnerable positions, you know?

1:26:48Do you have any financial goals? Yeah. To, to just, no.

1:26:53Graham Stephan:Um, that mining stock. That mining stock. Dude, we used to do that. I'm telling you, if you end up, I should sell all of my gold right now because you're going to devalue the heck out of gold. If we have an asteroid that's made out of 24 karat gold and it comes down, I want to invest in this company. Basically, anyone that's holding gold right now, the gold will become worthless. Well, it's a little more complicated than that. Gold will always have value. I agree. It's in all the technologies. Like, it's in your cars, it's in your phones, it's in this microphone here. Yeah, but your asteroid could bring it down like 50%.

1:27:26Or raise technology because we use some little gold. Imagine if we had more of it to create stronger technology. That's true. You could hedge your asteroid gold position with like some silly stuff.

1:27:37Graham Stephan:Biotech. Oh, yeah. You could put Bitcoin mining facilities on the asteroid. Well, it's cooling. Yeah.

1:27:46Anyways. No, but, you know, I think it's really, when it comes to investments, you always have to have due diligence. You always have to do your research and structure. And like, like I find again, knowing where your money's coming in and where you're going, your money's going out, like really managing that. There's a lot of people that don't know where their assets are going. And there's a lot of money that just like, it's like, oh, you know, oh, it was a dollar here and a dollar there and a dollar there. But over time, those dollars really add up. and, you know, knowing what your bills are, what your structured system is, and the life that you want to live.

1:28:25You know, you mentioned financial goals earlier. I do. I do have a lot of financial goals that I'm working towards. And, you know, I'm a big fan of like real estate and stuff. Like I have a property. I lived in California, never could afford a house in California, but moved into texas within a year bought a home and so um you know i think having strong assets are key in your life and you know pokemon cards don't don't hurt you know they've been going up they've been going up a lot this last year apparently but um you know really creating kind of a steady stable portfolio income based structure you know my my overall goal for me over the next like 15 years is to really just get a nice portfolio where it has regularly structured systems and kind of just making it where it's like, okay, I don't have to go take that job next Tuesday.

1:29:17Graham Stephan:So what do you think separates actors who have really long, great careers versus those who fade out? I think it varies depending on the actor. I mean, you know, I think it also depends on the civilization and the time that we're in. You know, if we look at actors going back since the creation of television specifically, you know, you look at the starlets of 1940s and 50s and 60s and 70s to the starlets today, it's a different market. It's generational growth. It's a different type of either a resurgence or a desurgence of, like, industry. And, you know, I find it's about being consistent, showing up on time, knowing your lines being again punctuality is like so important in the industry because if if you miss a day like like it was about 25 000 a day for breaking bad so if you messed up that day that's 25 that's that's that's time and money like you're you're you're everyone's hurting and so and that can come from the smallest little thing and having a strong chain of people that really, um, work together, that show up on time, that keep pushing forward.

1:30:36I think that's what makes, that's where you see these actors that are, that are popping off and then right place at the right time. One thing I learned and I was told at a young age, life is the most important thing is, is when readiness meets opportunity. I don't know if y 'all heard this, but, but you know, we're so often not ready, but we have the opportunity. And then we're so often ready, but there's no opportunity. And I find when that iron strikes and you're ready to strike it and that opportunity comes and you're ready for it, that's where you launch. And that's where you grow from.

1:31:13Graham Stephan:How important are relationships and networking? Like how much is it who you know? I mean, how else did I get here? Like, you know what I mean? This is a great example of networking right now from Ian to here to to late like you know I I think it's it's about networking but not just networking and partying and doing all the things but networking in a way that puts you in a light where people see your assets versus like oh that's that guy yeah we see we see him all the time versus like oh he's coming through you know but like there are these stars out like you know like if you when you see brian walk into a room right it's a thing it's not like it's not some simple like some random dude walking into the room it's like a like an energy and that's something that over time you you grow and you learn with and and you create this energy and i I think like through trial and error, but being at the right place and the right time with carrying yourself properly and carrying yourself in a way that actually helps the community.

1:32:26Graham Stephan:Now, does playing Walt Jr. make it harder to get other work in the future? Oh, dude, so hard. Or does it open doors? So hard, man. Like, it opened a lot of doors. But, I mean, you're still Walt Jr. regardless like you know i i was so young on that show and so that was kind of like everyone else you know brian and and betsy and anna they've all had years of experience in shows and movies before they breaking bad was it like a show that changed everything right and for me that was kind of like the like that was like my first experience of actually being a speaking role and and having that ability to to walk into this so for me i kind of like where everyone else kept building i kind of had to go back i had to after the show was done i kind of had to back step into like a guest star role or smaller parts that that weren't so because they're like no he's great he's great but he he looks like walt jr and it's like no one as an actor you can't carry that you don't want to carry your roles in every role you know and so for me i've worked really hard and selecting my movies that really highlight my acting ability versus just they hired me because of i was watching here i was on breaking but you know what brian cranston did a great job because when i first watched breaking bad the first few episodes i couldn't get get it out of my mind this isn't um how for malcolm in the middle and i was like that's the dad for malcolm and it took me maybe a half a season to get that out of my head like he transitioned that really really really well.

1:34:10Graham Stephan:Same with Ed O 'Neill. I would think of him from Married with Children, non-stop. And it took a long time, but he was able to, even now I still think that's Married, but he did it very successfully. But it takes time. And it takes

1:34:30continuously watching, being like, okay, okay, that's this character, no longer that character. And I think it just having more episodes and more shows. But like, you know, if you look at Brian and you look at Ed, they've had years of other shows and movies that no one ever knows of, you know, and it's not about, you know. Insurance isn't one size fits all. That's why drivers have enjoyed Progressive's Name Your Price tool for years now. With the Name Your Price tool, you tell them what you want to pay and they'll show you options that fit your budget. So whether you're picking out your first policy or just looking for something that works better for you and your family, they make it easy to see your options.

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1:35:53Yeah. Like after Home Alone. He's been in plenty of movies since then. I'll see him. He does a great job. Same thing as oddly enough Nat Wolfe, if you know who that is. from the Naked Brothers Band. Like he was that when he was a kid and they had a TV show. And then since then, like he's been in some really interesting movies since then. But you look at how long after that. It was, yeah.

1:36:13Graham Stephan:It's almost like a change of appearance though. Macaulay Culkin really changed from being a kid to now. But there's always like this gap of societal transition because they love you so much as this role. Yeah. And then you're 30. You know, it's like, It's like you were a child then, and now you're an adult. So the transition, it's almost like a shock. Yeah, same with Harry Potter, Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah, and look at his content, though. He does some really far-out movies, and I find it's all about stretching that view of you and breaking that barrier of like, okay, you were this character for so long, and we love this character, and we want more of this, but oh, let's see this.

1:37:00oh and then they go okay yeah yeah and then five years later they go back to that movie and go you

1:37:06Graham Stephan:know i really like that movie so what do you think though with the future of acting right now with ai and being able to clone people's voices and aesthetics like for for background actors you could theoretically like i think in the news gladiator like a lot of those people just complete cgi yeah ai um i think it every everything serves a purpose and and again as i look at it as money as a tool ai is a tool do i do i think it can replace everyone no do i think it will change how we do things how we see things the information that we receive very big, very big way. Um, I think though it's, it's as the industry comes together, right.

1:38:00And, you know, you see like AI boycotts, like for voice acting and you see these structures of like, of, of, of the union pushing back on AI. I think we need a better understanding. I think the technology is still so fresh and so new and it's growing rapidly. I think it's about being able to still protect artists um but using different capacities to do that you know with the dot-com everyone like computers were created no one no one like wanted computers no one wanted the structure like people like these are just a fade uh and now they're essential in our everyday life. We carry a computer every day.

1:38:45I think it's a double-edged sword, but as every industry grows and changes, I think we have to rise above it. You know, as an artist, as someone that protects our brands, our art, our who we are, I don't believe AI can replace us. I think that that is impossible. Like there's something about humanity that nothing else in this world, in this this galaxy, whatever, like we are very unique in one phase that we continue, no matter what, we grow, we evolve, we adapt. So as we evolve and adapt, and as this new emerging industry of technology evolves and adapt and creates new problems, we create problems to fix it.

1:39:35And identifying the issues, identifying the structures, and being able to utilize it in a way that is conducive for growth in art versus being replacing art you know i'm curious do you do you find any issue with non-disabled people playing disabled people in tv shows and movies and what about dwarves because i know that there was like this big thing i don't know what the that little people little people people that aren't little people playing little people this is how I look at able-bodied actors playing disabled roles. I think that if you can hire someone with a disability for a role that highlights a disability, you should always do that.

1:40:19Now, with that being said, if you're going to get someone like a Brad Pitt to play something, the amount of media you're going to get for that, either positive or negative, is going to raise a question, right? It's going to be thought-provoking. It's going to inspire. it's going to be like, yo, we need more change on this. We need social this. We need structure on this. We need these opportunities. And I feel that in the industry, we kind of go through these phases of where we see a increase of people with disabilities and well, not necessarily disability, but accurate representation, right? Diversified casting.

1:40:58I think there's a fine line of bringing it positively, like positively into the mainstream media or negative. I see there's both a purpose in that because no one's always 100 % accurate. But I think if you have someone with a disability that can play the role, that is that part, there's no reason why you shouldn't hire them. But if you want to try to sensationalize or something, like that's what you can do with a bigger name. So I have a question about some of the lore of Breaking Bad. I'm curious, what scene was the most difficult to film, either because people kept breaking character because it was funny or because it was just logistically challenging?

1:41:45I know the desert. The desert was definitely challenging for the crew. I didn't spend a lot of time in the desert, mostly because I was either eating breakfast or chilling in my room. So I think one of the hardest, not the hardest, but I guess emotional parts for me during the series was when Walt Jr. finds Brian beat up at his new apartment. And he has a conversation with Brian about his father dying of emphysema and of lung cancer. And at the same time, my grandfather was dying of emphysema and lung cancer. and so um it just that that kind of scene really meant a lot to me and um was definitely one of those high high emotional kind of grass that that i really wanted to make sure we got right

1:42:38Graham Stephan:what's the craziest thing that you've seen someone do to get in character i've i i can't go into detail about some things but i've worked with a few method actors and and do you believe in that I believe there's a fine line of it you know I I believe like because like I'm I wouldn't call myself a method actor but but I do my best to always feel what my character is feeling I always I I do I find acting really is important on an emotional level like what those characters are feeling how that character is feeling and I use basis of my life and life experiences to make these characters feel a certain way.

1:43:19So as far as that aspect, yeah. But I don't, when you see people being an ass to people or like getting aggressive and it's like, I'm Method. I'm like, dude, like, you don't have to be a dick. You're supposed to be playing a nice person. Well, no, that's usually because they're not playing a nice person. I know, I'm joking. But like, I think it's a fine line, but I also think sometimes it's an excuse to be an ass. That's interesting.

1:43:49Graham Stephan:And to get away with things. So that's what you've seen is that people get into character like that and they won't break it? They don't break it. And they carry it off. And I'm like, part of me doesn't think you're acting, man. It's like, I think you're like this 24-7. Was there ever a scene? Was that Tuco? No. Dude, I would love it. No, Breaking Bad from every single person on there was a gem. Like, really, like, quality, very meticulous, thought-out casting. It's on some of the other movies that I've done that I'm like, I'm... Speaking of Tuco, you know, have you seen The Lawsuit recently? With the hose?

1:44:35Graham Stephan:Oh, so stupid. You hear about this, Jack? Man. He was washing his car, and, like, he sprayed some kid with water. and they sued him. So it goes a little deeper than that. So I found out some information and there's a statement by his team. Because I know Raymond Cruz very well. Like I see Raymond. I probably hang out with Raymond. Like Raymond and Daniel and Luis Mankata who played the Salamanca twins. No way. I hang out with them because I'll go do Comic-Cons and stuff with them. That's so cool. And so from what I understand, these like three girls parked like right on his bumper while he was washing his car and like and started recording him.

1:45:22And he's like, hey, can you move? And he splashed and they called the cops. Like. They want attention. They want attention and money. That's all it is. But I think I don't necessarily view it as a bad, bad thing for him because he was in the national news, man. And everyone, like, hardcore, right to the top, Raymond Cruz.

1:45:43Graham Stephan:So are you saying you need to spray someone with water? We can go down to the strip and just have some mayhem down there. I'm good on that. I don't need headaches. Did any cast member have, like, the giggles? Like, they would have a hard time. Oh, dude, all the time. Really? All the time. We were all laughing. All the time. Which scene elicited the most amount of laughs where you had to just redo it because it was too funny? It wasn't about redoing it or too many laughs. It kind of, you know, Brian having such a comedic background, like everything he brought into it was very comedic. Even when he did serious roles, he really was good about creating an environment on set where, you know, we had really heavy content, and it was very stressful content.

1:46:29But as soon as we said cut, everyone was cheering, everyone smiled, especially on the hard days. We had full support from our staff, from grips, electric, like painting, like set to every, it was all hands on deck every single time. It has been single, one of the best crews I probably, that I've ever worked with and probably will ever work with in my life. How were your nerves in the beginning of the show to the end of the show? I imagine stepping in and being this, your first like talking role. I mean, it's a pretty important moment in your life. Were you super nervous in the beginning? And I imagine you found your rhythm.

1:47:12I didn't understand. I was such a kid. I didn't understand what this show would be.

1:47:18Graham Stephan:Like, you know, did you watch Malcolm in the Middle? So I watched Malcolm in the Middle. Yeah. But that would be intimidating to be like in the same room with Brian Branson. I watched it after Breaking Bad. Oh, I see. So I watched it. I watched it later. But I also, I'm one of those people that I don't correlate people in TV and film together. So when I watch a show or I watch a movie, I don't carry the other work. I only see them in that role. Got it. How did fame affect your friendships early on? I worked really hard on keeping on with my friends. You know, I'm still very close with most of my old friends.

1:47:56like do we still talk regularly no but like I can pretty much pick up the phone and call my best friend from high school like and he'd be like hey what's happening now he's like now he has like all my friends now are like settled down and like family of four like um but I worked really hard to not lose, like not let fame affect me. Not let the, whatever the LA, New York, I really tried and I continue to try to always never let my work get to my head. Do you remember the first time you got recognized? I, it was probably, the first time I got recognized was probably around like season four, five.

1:48:45Yeah, not until later. That's crazy. Again, we were really popular in Eastern Europe. I imagine now, though, that like, I mean, you still have a like a young face. Like you still look young for your age. I was about to say, like you look the same. You look like basically the same, which is great. That's a compliment. Yeah, that's a good thing. I imagine this being like, you know, arguably the biggest show of all time. One of the biggest shows of all time, certainly. That like anywhere that you go, it's got to probably cost you. I normally grow a beard. Really? Like today, yeah. Do you do a mask and like a hat?

1:49:20No, no, no. I grow the beard. People don't expect me to walk. Interesting. But you get looks everywhere, I imagine. Does that, like, there's a complete difference in like your life and Graham's life, I imagine, like going out. Like it's. There's accountability, right? And for me, with this role, with this medium, right? And one day you'll get there. Thanks, man. But like it. You want to get your backyard summer ready, but you don't want to break the bank? Wayfair gets it. Planning on dining al fresco or relaxing poolside? Wayfair has everything you need to prep your space. Shop now and save up to 70 % off during Wayfair's 4th of July clearance.

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1:50:44Shop up to 50 % off site-wide, plus huge savings on doorbusters, right now during the 4th of July mega sale at blinds.com. I've always carried responsibility with me in what I do, how I go out, and how I present myself because there is cause and effect to my actions. Like I never, like I do Comic-Cons. I enjoy Comic-Cons because I love memorabilia. So I'll go, I'll buy stuff and whatever. And the impact that I've seen on fans' lives where you can change someone's perspective or have a conversation with them that they'll never get an opportunity to do or ask a question like this or, you know, I get a lot because of my disability.

1:51:31I get a lot of disability related, like young parents that love the show with a kid with a disability. And, you know, people see you. And now more than ever, people see y 'all. People watch y 'all. They listen to it. They rewatch y 'all. And there's an impact on them from that. And they have their favorite episodes and their favorite structures. And I find when you're out in public, um especially having a show like Breaking Bad specifically there's a certain accountability you have to carry with you and and for me I want every person I engage to leave it with a positive experience to leave it leave whatever we're talking about and being like I can go tackle whatever it is I'm tackling and and that's something I I truly always carry with me in the back of my mind.

1:52:23Graham Stephan:How did you navigate dating? Because I saw Bryan Cranston on Howard Stern said you were crushing it with the ladies. Not anymore. I just got one lady.

1:52:37We got earmuffs. No, we're good. If you could step in. No, she knows everything. Everything. No, you know, I am... just one at a time. No, it's, I don't know. I think I did pretty well. I'm pretty happy with my dating life.

1:53:00Graham Stephan:But would they approach you or would you approach them? Or how did that come to be? I was always leery of people that kind of approached me. I was more of a, be like, hey, you want to, like, I never use dating apps so like I've never used a dating app they always scared me people wouldn't believe it if it were you no they wouldn't believe it and there's actually been people that have pretended to be me on dating apps because like I have friends that use that stuff are they successful on there? I think my friends are very successful on their apps no no I meant people pretending to be you Oh, do they have you in some pictures?

1:53:48They had me, yeah. My buddy would send me a screenshot on Instagram or something and be like, yo. But it's not me. It's Walt Jr. That's funny. They're going to have it as Walt Jr. Yeah. It was pretty funny. I feel like we're going to swipe on that. Have you ever been rejected once? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everyone gets rejected. It's funny because people see the show, right? And they're like, the show, the show, the show. and they don't really care about you. Like, and that's fine. Like, if you love Breaking Bad, I appreciate it. I'm grateful for it. Like, but like, it's like knowing, and this is something that I've learned to protect myself at a young age too, was, but knowing not everyone's your friend.

1:54:36I think that's something that we, even I forget sometimes, but not everyone's your friend. Not everyone's there out of kindness. Not everyone's there to support you. Sometimes people really want to see you fail. And sadly, when you go into life dating, whatever it may be, you always have to remember not everyone's there for good intentions. And you give people the benefit of the doubt. You give them what you get. And for me, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but also knowing that not everyone's your friend. And you do have to be careful. And especially in an industry like this, like sexuality, like dating, it's a tool.

1:55:20And until you find that right person, that person that like is thick and thin, you know, you find it and you can recognize it once you have it. But it takes time. Do you still speak with Brian and Aaron often? Occasionally. like I every once in a while probably like once every year so we just did a a reunion yeah a reunion with Netflix we gave we did the SAG Awards and we presented I want to say Best Drama to Succession I heard that show's really good it's really good yeah it's very good yeah I'd probably say last year or a year before last so we all got together and that was the first time we got together in quite some time so Could you just call him up if you wanted to?

1:56:12Yeah. Theoretically? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't, but yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. They call, we call it. Yeah. It's not a problem. That's cool. Yeah. I wouldn't be like, I, you, Hey man, I'm just sitting here hanging out. What's up? I do get people to ask me to call Brian and I'm like, dude, Okay.

1:56:32Graham Stephan:That's just, I'm going to tell you what would actually do incredible for you on TikTok. There's this trend where you call people and just wish them a good night. If you called Brian and you said, hey, man, just wishing you a good night. That would go insane. That would probably get 10 to 20 million views if you were to do that. I don't do TikTok, though. But if this were your first. This is your spraying down the people with the hose moment. Yes. This is that. This would go so viral online. You just calling him, hey, man, just want to wish you a good night. And just pause. See what he says. because he has such a recognizable voice he does but i couldn't i couldn't post that like i would feel like i would have to be like hey i'm doing this to post you know i mean i couldn't i bet he would love it i don't know i don't know him but he would he would laugh but like i i i also have worked really hard not like as much as like my life is entwined with breaking bad i've definitely worked really hard to not infringe on, you know, Bryan Cranston and Paul.

1:57:41You know what I mean? Because, like, that's the number one for the show. I understand that. So I do my best. No, I agree. It would pop off.

1:57:49Graham Stephan:Well, just consider it's in your back pocket, and you could pull it out at any time. I'll hide it back then. All right. I want to bring this up, too. Yes, sir. I bet this is not what you expected. Oh, no. But you did some modeling. Yes, I did. and I wanted to know the story behind this. I'm assuming it's me with tits. Yeah. I don't need to pull it up. You know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. What's the story behind? Why? Vivian Westwood. No, I modeled for like four years in Germany and France and across the board. I did modeling and that was kind of like after Breaking Bad.

1:58:30It was like, okay, what should I do next right what what should that next be that's going to make me stand out from from the show and so that started with modeling and luckily I was super thin at the time not so much anymore um but um but I really wanted to try to create something that was unique to only me apart from the show. And so I was modeling and met some of the Vivian Westwood people. And so that was one of the Vivian Westwoods. I got like a bag.

1:59:07Graham Stephan:Yeah, but some of these fashion shows, they're wild. Why? And so when you saw that, did they present that to you? Oh, yeah. And then what was your initial reaction? Down. Well, at the time, like, you know, at the time, that type of content was very sensitive, you know? And, like, let alone walking with, walking, doing runway shows with a disability at the time, too, was something that was very unique. And so, like, it was a very unique thing. And fashion is all about sensationalism, right? It's like, you know, what are the statement pieces? and Vivian Westwood was very um she since passed but she was such an icon when it came to punk and grunge and these types of abstract thinking and eco-environment growth and and so I I went into it though with modeling being like yeah whatever y 'all want just I just don't go nude like like so I was pretty much up for anything and they were like okay we're gonna put this bag they're Like, here's this bag.

2:00:13I'm like, oh, how do I care? No, no, no. We're going to strap it to your chest. And, um. How is that artistic?

2:00:20Graham Stephan:I mean. Maybe I'm just, I just don't. I mean, a dude with boobs at, what, I think that was, what, 2014? It was a while ago. 2014, 2013, maybe. Like, the world is very different than it is today. You know, what's socially acceptable then and socially acceptable now. Like it's so wish-washy like, but, but when it comes to fashion, it's all about abstract and pushing the envelope and, and getting people to think, especially with like Vivian Westwood and Kenneth Cole and, you know, these types of entities that really want to change a narrative and change a perspective. And so I remember at some time, I think it was like free the nipple or, or was one of the really big campaigns at the time because, because women nudity was, was like not okay.

2:01:14Like, like it is today. And, um, and so I think when it comes to these, these statement pieces, like I did another one where they covered us in grass. It was like this, like, it was like this, this, this line, you're walking through these like ruins and like I'm covered in grass. It seems like it's like a social experiment. It is. They are social experiments. How I feel about them, yes. And it's pushing the envelope, you know, it's like who can be the weirdest? I mean, have you seen the garbage dresses?

2:01:47Graham Stephan:Yeah, I've seen the meat dress. The meat dress. But Jaden Smith even shows up. He wore like the castle on his head recently. Yeah, I saw that. I'm thinking, what's the point? Like you could wear a nice... Well, people were talking about it right now. So the point is just to be talked about. At which point then, I get it. I get it to be the most absurd you can, so people are like, yo, did you see that? You know, it's all about absurdity. And, again, pushing the envelope, pushing perspective. A lot of these types of designers are very entwined into thinking. you um entwining communities and and you know they're not all from the u.s they're not all from one country or another they they all have unique different statements that they're making like where they're at like if it's in germany or uk or here in the states like you see it more related to societal reflection a lot of times what's the weirdest opportunity you've had being famous in Hollywood?

2:02:53Have you ever been able to lick mold? Graham would maybe pay$15 for it. It just goes from

2:03:00Graham Stephan:Jack to you. And then it's Jack's turn. I've eaten mold. It's okay. You're fine. No, no, no. 25. 25? I guess with inflation and everything. That's fair. I'm glad there's no mold. I don't know. What's the weirdest thing? I've had some I've had some weird instances though where like I've had someone try to cut my hair like while I like straight up came at me with scissors and I grabbed the hand and was like whoa like a fan? Yeah because she wanted your hair or was it a he? No it was she it was a she but yeah I don't know what she wanted but she Did you let her? No I don't mess with me dude get out of here I'm like what do you want my hair for?

2:03:50um yeah no no um i don't know i uh i did a survival show i did the island with bear grills and that was that was insane i had a blast i really enjoyed it that's really cool that's neat um no i've done a lot of little odd parts um i did a series that was super weird called um the guardians of justice it was it was the guardians of justice will save you now um i I don't know if you know the director. Adi Shankar, he did like Dread, the new Dread. He has Captain Laserheart, Castlevania, those types of shows. And so I did a series with him. It took 11 years. And it's live action and animation and stock motion.

2:04:35It's like very, very niche market. But I'm very lucky that I get to do a lot of fun stuff. So we have some rapid fire questions. Right before we wrap this up, what is the best breakfast item? bacon when people recognize you do they call you Flynn Walt Jr. or do they call you RJ? Flynn I get Flynn a lot which I prefer first of all I prefer RJ my real name but yeah Flynn all the time dude what's the most common reference you get? I get a lot of people that ask me to curse them out like how I did my dad Like, call them, like, call them, like, say it just like the show that you're a pussy, like, all the time.

2:05:22Could you say that? Definitely.

2:05:25Graham Stephan:Go ahead. Yeah. Curse grandma. Yeah, curse. Dude, that would be an honor. Well, here, let me, let me. Let me. You're, you're, you're a pussy. Similar, right? It's good. Right? It's almost there. Yeah. Ten years later. That's great. I felt that. Yeah. Do you feel like one? No. A little bit. I feel like I just got hit by some shrapnel over here. um no yeah i i get a few lines but that's a lot of people want want that first i'm like do you do you enjoy doing that or do you feel like a bit like like what if someone like nearby you know didn't really know what's going on they just see you calling someone that i mean i do it very selectively okay so you're not going to be in a crowded area well no i'm not just going to go like If it makes sense or whatever, I appreciate people appreciating my work.

2:06:22So if taking that two-minute time to call them that, I'm cool with it. And a lot of them will run off giddy like schoolgirls. I'm like, that's a grown-ass man. You've made my day. Oh, thank you. That's cool. What's the craziest fan encounter you've ever had? Um, I mean, the scissor thing with the hair was pretty crazy. Um, I had a phase where people were trying to break into my house. Oh, whoa. And, uh, and it got handled. Wow. That's, that's crazy. What's the most bizarre gift you've ever received from a fan? Their hair. You received hair? I, I. Have you kept that? No. No, I did not. You said you kept everything.

2:07:14I did not keep that one thing. I did get it. I got a weird box one time and it had to go to a police department. Wow. What's your favorite meme you've ever seen of yourself? I think my 21st birthday meme is pretty wild. I honestly did not expect that video to still be circulating 12 years later.

2:07:39Graham Stephan:I missed the video. What's the video? It's me over at the Palm at the Ghost Bar for my 21st birthday.

2:07:51And it's just me walking into the club with my friends, and they recorded the whole thing, and people cut it. It's on TikTok. I'll check it out. It's pretty funny. I'm like wired on Red Bull. You did seem pretty locked in. Oh, dude, I was so locked. I was like, because my buddies, we just came from the tables. We were winning. We went to a show. We were having a good time. That's fun. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? I think always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity. I think that's kind of the best advice that I was given. Who would win in a prank war? You versus Brian versus Aaron.

2:08:30Oh, Brian all day. Brian would take us both down. Wouldn't be close? Wouldn't even be close. What do you have next on the horizon? What do you got going on in your life? So right now I have a movie called West Hampton with Thin Wit Rock. I don't know if you all know of him from American Horror Story and a bunch of other movies and shows. We just did Tribeca. We just did another film festival in New York as well. So that's really doing, really proud of it. It's a great team of people. I have a couple movies that I'm in talks with at the moment. So I've been attached to for a few years. that I'm really hoping that finally get their funding.

2:09:11I have another movie coming out, hopefully either at the end of this year, beginning of next year, that they're still working on title stuff and where. But really, a lot of my work is foundation work based in Texas. So I've been doing this project down there with the community in community development, parks, parking, entrepreneurship. type stuff. So that's really kept me very busy for the past few years, but I'm working on getting on another show, just auditioning, man. What's your dream gig? Who would you want to work with? See that, man, that's the hardest thing. It's not necessarily who I want to work with.

2:09:55I just want another well-written show again. I miss that. I work on TVs and movies. I work on TV and movies that that's like it's it's good but it's so rushed and like one of my my my my things I really don't like to be rushed like especially when I create a character and I and I try to put myself out there and it's like like we're trying to rush through stuff that normally would take well usually we don't have budget but but like it's like I really want to be able to to to go back to kind of how where we had the ability to grow these characters in an environment with well-written with a well-oiled team do you think something like breaking bad can ever be written again i don't think i don't necessarily think something like breaking bad but it's all about growth you know i do think there'll be another show um that like caps it you know it just in time it just i i game was close the first season but it was not it didn't have that longevity though i i think what made breaking bad so unique was the time that it came out in the content of the show nothing had been like it the type of the type of drugs the type of environment the world like you know this was 2008 the the economy crashed during the first season of Breaking Bad.

2:11:23So there were a lot of people with a Walter White mentality of how do I survive? How do I grow? And most shows I find today aren't based in realism. You know, I found Breaking Bad was very real as far as what these characters were doing, the family dynamic, the environment that they were having and their impact on each other. It wasn't like controlled or contrived. It wasn't forced. It just, it made sense. Everything that each of these characters made sense and what didn't make sense was like, well, it makes sense now, you know? And I think that's something that's really hard to capture. And I just saw Vince stayed on to Sony for another four years or so, which one of the best writers, man.

2:12:18Vince Gilligan is. Yeah.

2:12:19Graham Stephan:Even better call Saul. I really enjoyed it. This is a fun episode. You're, you're funny. You're, you're pretty funny. You gotta be doing more podcasts. Why don't you create a podcast or something? We've been talking about it. I, it's a lot of work guys. Like what y 'all do is not easy. If you want, I don't know. We are willing to help you with anything. We could tell you what equipment you need, what cameras, what mics, so we could put you in touch with editors, producers, whatever you need, it can happen. I see, like, that's, I just, I'm hoping, I'm trying to get, let me get back on the show.

2:12:56And I'm definitely in talks on having my own podcast, but I just want to make sure whatever it is, it makes sense. And I've actually been talking to a local radio station about doing some radio for local community stuff.

2:13:12Graham Stephan:so you would do you would do very well as a podcaster i'm just i'm just saying okay with your reach with with the connections that you've built these discussions are very interesting and a lot of people don't get to hear them yeah also just motivation yeah yeah no i i'm i'm in i'm definitely in um i just it's it's it's what's it's timing for me and i think that's kind of what why I was interested in doing this and Ian's. I really want to you know, I'm trying to get back out there more. I've kind of been hiding for the past few years just in like my work and my philanthropy and I think it's finally time to set this up again.

2:13:56Graham Stephan:Well, you're going to make some great cameos. Joshua Weissman's video, I don't know when that's coming out. Yeah, that's going to be hilarious. People are just not going to be excited. Yeah, they're going to be like, wait a second. Yeah. So, anyway, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. We'll link to all of your charities and everything you've shouted out down below in the description. Actually, one thing that I think that I did want to mention as far as like charity work and growth, the one thing that I can recommend to people about getting into philanthropy, you don't have to give money.

2:14:24Like this is the number, everyone always thinks it's like money, money, money, money. It's not. It's about your time and willing to volunteer and willing to put out there. And like, I think that's one thing as far as charity work. With my charities, please support them, whatever. But at the end of the day, it's what's important to you. What directly impacts you? I look at one thing and it's called direct impact programming. And it's what do these programs directly do? Who do they directly impact and how are they directly impacted? And when we do philanthropy and we do organization or community growth, I want people, I always remember to look at, are you directly impacting the community that you want to serve?

2:15:06And that to me is most step number one when it comes to philanthropy. I love it. Thank you very much. Thank you. No, thank you, man. It's such a pleasure. Thank you to everyone for watching. Hope you enjoyed.

2:15:17Graham Stephan:Oh, make sure to subscribe too. Subscribe.