The Minnesota Fraud Scandal | An Unfiltered Conversation with Nick Shirley

20:53And I would have not notified them when I'm coming, but more so done a surprise visit and say, hey, we're government officials. We just want to see how your business is operating. Okay, if you're licensed for 40 children and you have 35 kids here, perfect. But if you're licensed for 40 children and you have four kids here and we're giving you a million dollars, we should probably look into this and figure out why this is happening.

21:14Graham Stephan:It seems like it would be very easy to solve on a high level without even doing that by just looking how many centers are operating, how many children do they say are within those schools, and how many children exist in the area. And if you see, hey, there's 3 ,000 children in this area, but their capacity is 40 ,000 that we're paying for, and then maybe that's a red flag. Yeah, it's a total red flag for a lot of these businesses. And if you drive around Minneapolis, you'll notice if you start paying attention, you'll notice, wait, why is that industrialized building have a childcare clinic? Or why is there an adult daycare right here?

21:49And why is there Somali daycare right here? Like legit, like why is there African refugee immigration processes? Or why is there Eritrean services? Like all this weird stuff. What's the need for all that? Like me and you, us three, we all operate a business, whether it be a YouTube channel or selling coffee, selling t-shirts, we have to work in profit. These guys don't have to even conceptualize the idea of churning a profit because they're receiving all this money. And so it's not fair to the hardworking American who is trying to provide for their family, go to work, and then pay normal daycare rates.

22:23Graham Stephan:So is this just Minnesota? Or is it like we're driving around in Vegas and I see a daycare? Is there a chance, hey, it's everywhere throughout the United States? Fraud is everywhere in the United States. And now you're seeing all these other people go to these daycares because a lot of them receive money on welfare purposes. And so, and all that information is public. And so you can go ahead and find that information. And if you're suspicious of a local daycare in your area, you could go get the information or you could just simply go and ask like, hey, how's this, can I enroll a child in the daycare here?

22:55And see it for yourself. But I don't want everyone to start going to daycares and saying, where are the children? Yeah. I think that'd be bad.

23:01Graham Stephan:I started seeing a lot of copycats now going and doing this. And so what's hard about that is I actually did my due diligence when I went and made my video. You don't want to see just a bunch of people hopping up to daycares and saying, where are the children? But people also have the right to just simply ask the question. You have houses in Washington state that are legit houses that are licensed for adult daycares or for childcares inside of neighborhoods that you wouldn't even know. See, what I worry about when it comes to copycats is that you have most people who go in with good intentions, who say, hey, I see this, this upsets me, I want to help.

23:34Graham Stephan:And then you get people who just take it too far. And that's all it takes is you get one person who just starts like absolutely harassing somebody. Maybe it's a legitimate daycare, takes it too far and it kind of ruins it for everybody. Yeah, I mean, people can do what they want. My job is to do my job. And so like the way I carry about myself, the way I carry about myself is in a way that I can feel good about sleeping at night. If somebody wants to go harass a daycare, we can't stop them from doing it and it's bad on them for doing it they should do their due due diligence and uh figure out if it's a fraudulent daycare or not before they show up so we have a few videos that i found online that basically claim that everything you were saying was fraudulent so i want to get your response to these viral videos i'm ready so most of our clients not most of our clients all of our clients is after school hours so school's earliest dismissal would be 2.15 to 2.30 ish.

24:31And the latest dismissal would be up to like 4.30 ish, 4.40 ish. So that's when our kids come to us. We don't have anyone in the morning. So that man, while he's outside saying that, the commissioner of children at the same time is on a live stream saying that they closed that daycare a week ago. He's lying. The commissioner of children was literally on a live stream at that same moment saying they closed that child care center a week ago, I filmed my video December 16th. And so after I had filmed my video, they then had shut down that daycare. And while he's talking about that, the ladies later on a live stream saying they closed down the daycare, they're busing in children.

25:12And then that same guy is in video partying with the mayor when the mayor got elected. Okay. So I saw that video as well, and I was actually going to get your reaction to that. So you're saying that this specific individual is somehow related to the mayor? Yes. So what's that relationship look like? Yeah, he's in the background of the mayor winning the election and they're all dancing. And that guy's allegedly the manager and his parents are the owners. So did you go to the Quality Leering Center during hours where kids should be present? so i went there on december 16th their operation hours said from 12 to 10 p.m however that's actually illegal to be operating a daycare at that time from 12 p.m to 10 p.m and there's are actually our restrictions and how at the certain hours where they do need to be operating but the purpose was not to just barge into a daycare the purpose was to show 1.9 million dollars going there.

26:10It's licensed for 99 children. And there's one door, the door's all blacked out, the sign's spelled wrong. You can't even call the phone number and have anyone respond. There's not a reception for you to be received at. It's a fraudulent daycare. So what about this video then? This is ABC Learning Center in Minneapolis. They have to learn ABC numbers. Director Ahmed Hassan gave WCCO a tour after finding his daycare in the national spotlight. All right, we've arrived to ABC Learning Center. In a now viral video, right-wing YouTuber Nick Shirley claims nearly a dozen daycare centers in Minnesota are taking public funds but not providing a service.

26:49He says ABC Learning Center is one of them, knocking on the door in mid-December. I would like to check a child in the daycare. Hassan says his employee didn't respond because Shirley was in a group of about eight people and his staff were concerned about recent ICE activity. Is this daycare committing fraud?

27:04Graham Stephan:No, no, no, we're not coming in proud. Hassan showed us security footage from the same day Shirley was here. According to the timestamps in the videos, this woman takes a young child into the center at around 9 a.m. that day, about three hours before Shirley arrives at the door closer to the street. Within the hour, after Shirley leaves, a woman arrives at the other door with a stroller. A larger family heads inside a few hours later. Tuesday afternoon, WCCO found at least a dozen children at ABC Learning Center, which is licensed with the state. Records show Minnesota officials last visited the daycare in November, noting some corrected and ongoing violations related to day-to-day operations, but no record of fraud.

27:43So you're seeing the attack on me by them calling me a right-wing YouTuber, MAGA YouTuber, conservative. The mainstream media is extremely scared because I got more views than them on one video than they get all year. So their claim that they are a legit business, well, obviously they're not going to admit that they're a fraudulent business to the local news. they're receiving millions of dollars what's the purpose of receiving all these these dollars if you have even if it's 12 children compared to the 40 that they're supposed to have and why are all their windows blocked out why can't why are they so scared to show people what they're doing behind doors so yeah maybe actually they're not they're fraudulent business so what's the purpose of having a daycare where you can't even show the public did you get any valid criticisms though from your video?

28:31Anything that you thought like, okay, this might actually make sense? No. Do you think like, what could they, like, what do you guys think? Give me your opinion. I think the only argument that I could see a little bit is that you are showing up to daycares, probably in a group of people with cameras, lighting equipment, stuff that generally causes a disturbance. And so if you're trying to enter, they obviously might be more apprehensive to let you in and fill out a document and, you know, be in a room maybe with kids. Well, if they're operating legally, why would they have any worries?

29:04Graham Stephan:I wouldn't open up if I were a business, in fairness, if you come in with cameras and I feel like there's no benefit for me to do this. If you're showing up trying to record, you don't know the manner of which the content is going to be used. It's inside a private business. I get that. I think if you were to show up as like some modest looking lady with a child with one of those like, you know, secret reporters on glasses, I think that would go over differently. So I showed up with metaglasses and a GoPro. I didn't have lighting equipment. I didn't have a big, massive camera. A lot of times I was just I even had my GoPro just inside my pocket and I was just using the metaglasses.

29:47And the security, because of how hostile and I had been priorly jumped in June by Somalians. it was necessary to have security in the car.

29:57Graham Stephan:Do you think there's something higher up in like running these? Because I'll give you an example. When I went to Paris, you see by the Eiffel Tower, like everyone's selling little like trinkets and stuff like this. Yeah, they've ruined the Eiffel Tower. The police come and they all like pick them up really quickly and they run off. And then as I was walking around, I see some guys on like walkie talkies and stuff like this. If a police comes around, they whisper something and everyone kind of bolts. and I was looking into this thinking like okay how much money are they actually making doing this sort of business like why sell this I didn't realize this is also just again what I'm just reading online is it supposedly a lot of the people are trafficked in and they're basically slaves to sell these trinkets and if they don't do that they're threatened or they're uh you know they could be beaten up or certain things like this so they're kind of forced to do these things Do you think that could be a possibility that this is a much bigger operation than just individuals doing this, that maybe there's like a higher power or somebody controlling all of these and the money just funnels up to one person?

31:04It's a massive operation. That's why it's been able to happen for so long. And that's why you see Minnesota panhandling to the Somalian population, who's a small percentage of the population of Minnesota, to the point where they even said that the original Minnesota flag was bad and switch it to a flag that resembles a Somalian flag. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail mixer? Just add a song to your chosen playlist and put your summer on track.

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32:23How do you think they pass the inspections every six months? Yeah, a lot of them don't. For instance, Quality Leering Center had multiple violations, upwards of 10 violations, but they're still able to give them the money. That's another, that's why this is such a big problem. This is why they should stop all the funding to these daycares because I don't doubt that there are some that are bringing in children. For instance, that ABC one, good for them for having 12 children in on that day when the news came by and they let them know beforehand that they were coming. Good for them for doing that.

32:53Right? And another counterclaim they came at me with was, well, you filmed it during winter break. No, I actually didn't. I filmed it on December 16th. So school and people were not on break yet. And now you guys are bringing in kids during winter break. Like their claims have been completely debunked just by common sense. Did any of them show you documentation showing that they were legitimate? No, that's the problem. They couldn't answer a single question. I gave them plenty of opportunities to say, where are the children? Where are the children at? How many did you visit? I think we visited around seven or so.

33:28It would be interesting because you're working with this guy who does all of this research. If he could find one that is operating as it should, and then you can go there and see how different the experience is compared to these fraudulent ones. Yeah, it's been funny to see people on the internet. They're like, all right, Nick Shirley, this is actually how daycare works. You see this? I'm going to click this button. I'm going to go in. I'm going to go talk to the receptionist. and then I'm gonna go grab my child. Those other businesses, those Somali-ran businesses, those aren't real businesses.

33:54That's not how a daycare works. Did you see the other fraud that's going on now in Minnesota as well with the assisted living facilities? Yeah, so there are all these welfare programs. So the daycare, it's tied into that fraud. The home healthcare, that's tied into that fraud. The assisted living's tied into that fraud. The transportation vehicles, that's all tied into the fraud. The translators at the hospitals, which no one even knows about, that's tied into the fraud. Who reached out to you from the video? Everybody. I can't even respond to somebody then get back to the text message after because it's 10 people deep within five minutes.

34:29But on the internet, J.D. Vance, he republished the video. Elon Musk, the Attorney General of the United States, the Director of the FBI, so many people. Think about it. That's the richest man in the world, the second most powerful man in the world, the attorney general of the United States and the director of the FBI, they all had to come out and talk about that video. Did the governor of Minnesota reach out to you? No, he actually blamed the fraud on Trump. And what did he say Trump did? He said, well, Trump keeps letting fraudsters out of prison, and he blamed and deflected everything. He actually called me a white supremacist.

35:08He called anybody who's speaking out against the fraud white supremacist. And what's your response to that? I'm not.

35:14Graham Stephan:And fraud is fraud. and Tim Waltz. But here's the thing. That's exactly what a white supremacist would say. Yeah. Well, just like the daycares would say, well, we're not fraud. You would say, well, I'm not. Well, I'm not a white supremacist, all right? Tim Waltz, he is so scared to be called a racist and for speaking facts that he's allowed billions of dollars to be sent overseas and fund terrorists like the Al-Shabaab. So Tim Waltz is a coward. And what's the benefit to Tim Waltz? The benefit to Tim Waltz, he gets votes. When you have 100 ,000 people that will all go and vote for you, that's a huge percentage of the people that will vote.

35:56And this happens in Europe as well. And this is why you're seeing the rise of Islam inside of these countries like the UK. And that's why you see the Labor Party in the UK, for instance, are so powerful. And you're seeing so many Muslims be elected inside of in Europe because they come into the country. they then go to their mosque and then when a politician needs to vote he'll go to the mosque where they have a thousand people inside the community all right we're gonna we're gonna and then they say well we're gonna let you vote or we're gonna say and then they say well we're gonna do what you guys want we're gonna make sure you guys are protected um which they already are especially in the united states for we have the constitution so but in these other places then when it comes time to vote the mosque the people that run the mosque will then take everyone and go vote.

36:44In Minnesota right now, you can vote. You can vouch for eight people when you go and vote. What does that even mean? Yeah. So one person can vouch for eight people. And how do you prove that you've been vouched for? Yeah. So if you're living inside of the same community or I believe like organization, you can then vouch for the other eight people. If you can provide that, show their documentation or that just their license. And you don't need to be a legal citizen to receive a license in United States and a lot of states.

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38:35Graham Stephan:That's gusto.com slash iced or click the link down below in the description. Again, that is gusto.com slash iced. Enjoy. Are you concerned at all, though, when you're speaking in broad terms of like these communities do this, these communities do that, that somehow when that gets diluted over and over, eventually it's going to turn people, you know, hateful towards a certain group of people that like eventually, you know, people are going to be actually Islamophobic. no, because I'm just showing people for what it is. If it's 89 % of the population is committing the fraud in Minnesota, yeah, you might piss off a lot of people.

39:16If everyone's paying taxes, and then 81 % of that population's on welfare receiving your dollars, while they're committing 89 % of the fraud receiving millions of dollars, yeah, you're going to piss off a lot of people.

39:28Graham Stephan:Some would make the argument that the fraud in Minnesota is only a fraction of a percent compared to something like the pandemic unemployment fraud, which was somewhere in like$100 plus billion. People should be equally mad about that. But with that, you can't go and see it. For instance, in Minnesota, they had a Feeding Our Future. They received$250 million to feed children inside Minnesota, and they only ended up feeding 40 children. Another thing that people aren't talking about enough is the California fraud, the railway that they're trying to build between Los Angeles and San Francisco. They've so far spent$15 billion on it.

40:05Not a single track has been laid. And some estimates are saying that it could take up until 2032, 2033, with also some people claiming up to 2038. This hasn't approved$150 billion with a B dollar budget, which is insane.

40:21Graham Stephan:And what's crazy is that even if they do it, they spend$135 billion and they finish in 2038, it's going to be obsolete anyway because we're going to have self-driving cars. No one is going to use it. We're all going to get in like a Tesla taxi cab and just be in your own little pod and just go there anyway. It would be fascinating to uncover that because I imagine you said actually that you were having billionaires reaching out to you asking you to uncover more fraud, specifically in California. Yeah, because imagine how mad you'd be if you're a billionaire and all of a sudden they just impose a new tax.

40:56They're trying to impose a new tax on these billionaires and you're seeing stuff like that happen. Elon Musk just tweeted today that he actually broke the IRS software because he sent a tax payment that was so large that they couldn't process it and they had to update the software. It had to have an extra digit. Wow. For him to make the tax payment. Yeah, Elon's the beast. Like Elon is one of the biggest net benefits for civilization that we have lived in our lifetimes or we have experienced. Why do you think it is that he gets so much hate? Yeah, because he speaks the truth and he creates innovation.

41:32People don't like that. Why do people not like truth or innovation? Innovation specifically, why do people not like it? Yeah, because it goes against what they're trying to do. For instance, if you're trying to receive hundreds and billions of dollars for the homeless population and then Elon Musk goes on Joe Rogan, he says, well, that actually could probably be solved, but these people are incentivized to keep homeless so they can keep the funding. So when he's trying to talk about stuff like AI, like AI is a complicated one because we don't really know what it's going to be like because we're just sitting here.

42:00We're just average people. But we have to, I think with AI, that's very important that we're on top of what's going on with AI. But Elon Musk, he's been like the biggest net benefit as far as giving us a platform to post free speech and not worry about getting censored on, to give us stuff as like Starlink or to give us Teslas. Like what bad has he done for his civilization? What benefit have you seen from using X? Yeah, X is YouTube. People go to get informed. X, they go to get their news. And TikTok, they go to get entertained. And so when you post on X, you have no cap on how many impressions you can get.

42:38On YouTube, it's very hard to get a video over a million, especially get one over 5 million. And good luck ever getting a video over 100 million. On X, you can simply just upload and then it can get shared to everyone and the most powerful people in the world use X. That was an interesting point that you made, which is billionaires are probably not going to be spending 40 minutes watching a documentary on YouTube. And so even if your video got 4 million views on YouTube, the 100 million views that you got on X, you're going to have a different caliber of viewers there that, you know, will not spend all the time trying to do the deep dives into research because their time is spent, you know, running billion dollar companies.

43:20Yeah. So they're simply like on their breaks or when they're doing stuff or in their office, they're just, all right, let's get the quick news. What's happening for today? What's Trump saying? And boom, it's just right there. We got to post on X. Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah, I agree. We got to post on X. What opportunities have risen for you for posting on X? Yeah, I think X, like I said, it's the place where people go get their news. So for me, I mean, I've been able to get, reach different audiences. For instance, on YouTube, I'm not going to reach an audience of people that are literally like trying to make the change in the United States, you're getting more consumers and less producers.

43:56The producers are on X. The people that are making the changes in the world, they're on X. You have the crypto people, they're on X. You have the AI people, they're on X. The government, they're on X. So you have all the most powerful people literally getting information from people just like me who are posting on X. Do you make money on X? That's the problem with X. You don't make that much money. However, the opportunities that you could get could lead to more money as far as like people then when they go to YouTube and they see your thumbnail, then they then click on your video because it gives your face more recognition.

44:29It's just like posting on TikTok. You don't really don't make that much money posting on TikTok, but then when they go to YouTube and they see your face, they then click on the button. What's been the downside to this much virality? The doxing because they don't really have, they can't get anything on me because I haven't really done anything. Like I've, much controversy. I've lived my life in a way where I can feel like, I try to live a life where I can feel shameless if I ever die, you know what I mean? Like I don't want to go up to heaven and have a bunch of sins I have to repent for. So like I've always lived my life in a way where I'm going to have fun, do my thing, but I'm going to make sure I stay within the guidelines of what I believe to be correct.

45:06And so with that, since they can't come after me, they're coming after people around me or my family members or they're trying to get information on stuff. And it's like, well, there's really not much you can get. And why would you be putting my information out onto the internet? Why would you be putting my address? How do they get your information like that? I don't know. Like I've done such a good job at like keeping all my information private. I have not included really anybody in my family into my YouTube channel other than my mom. So I've tried to keep everyone kind of stepped aside from my content.

45:36And they're just seeing how evil people are for wanting to come and kill me for talking about fraud. How do you protect yourself and make sure that you're safe. Yeah. Now it sucks because now I have to have security. Like I never expected to have to go film a video and have four security people inside of a car watching around or walking into the corner to make sure that no threat comes. Because in Minnesota, I go and film part two and a man, a Somalian man stops in the middle of the intersection, stops his car in the middle of a red light in the middle of the intersection, hops out and just comes in, literally tries to come and attack me.

46:11Graham Stephan:And what happened? And luckily security was there to stop him. Do you have that footage? Yes. Whoa. And so luckily, like now I just can't go and do stuff because especially with, I pissed off a pretty bad group of people to piss off, the Somali population. Because if you piss off one Somali, you're pissing off the whole entire community. Do you worry about maybe like you should wear like a bulletproof vest or something? Yeah, every time I'm out in public now, especially when I'm filming, always wearing a bulletproof vest. And how do you protect your identity if let's just say you're going to stay in like a hotel or like order an Uber?

46:45Graham Stephan:Like, would you ever worry that someone would see this and be like, Oh, wait, this is the guy make a few phone calls. Hey, I'm dropping them off here. Yeah. Yesterday at the airport, I told you guys like, I'm not getting an Uber. So you need to get someone to pick me up. So that's like a big issue I have now. And have you ever had any other nasty encounters with people that want to do you harm? Oh, plenty. Especially I get very positive reactions from people when I'm out in public. However, when I'm live streaming, I go to a protest, like I'm walking into the dens of the lions, bro. They like just come after me.

47:18Like they'll literally come and swarm me. And I used to not bring security with me. But so now I don't know how I'm going to be able to go do those live streams because people have became so radicalized. And what you're seeing with the news right now is they've came and attacked me so hard. And what they try to get you on is you're a, they say you're a MAGA influencer, conservative, anti-immigration, Islamophobe. So when they do get to the point where they then try to do something to my life, they can justify it. I think you probably should not be going live anymore. Yeah. Like at this point, you could just be doing filming videos and honestly, honestly, maybe even disguising yourself, like having a makeup team.

48:00That's what I said. Having some sort of a makeup team because also people are going to recognize you and they're going to behave differently when you walk up to a place wanting to film them. And if you were to just put on a wig and do some makeup and look completely differently, you're going to have a more unbiased perspective when you're trying to investigate things. Exactly. And kind of going back to the point of like being on X versus just being a YouTuber. For instance, a lot of other YouTubers, I mean, they probably still go into, they might have a lot more subscribers than me. how are they don't have this much recognition because I'm on all platforms and I focus on all platforms.

48:35And so like, for instance, a few other YouTubers, for instance, like Tommy G, I really like Tommy G's video, but he's not really in the political aspect of things where his videos are getting posted on X. So people probably aren't trying to make a tax on him, a tax on him. And he's not as controversial as me, but because I kind of do news-based videos and now you're seeing the left come at me for being a MAGA influencer or for being a conservative, for being a YouTube prankster when I was younger. They're all being anti-immigration. They're all trying to put this picture on me so then they can come and attack me.

49:09Graham Stephan:Why has it turned so politicized? Why can't we all just be in agreement that we're against fraud, no matter who commits it? Wouldn't you think people would be celebrating that I just went exposed one of the largest fraud scandals in America history? Like, shouldn't people be happy that, oh, our taxes were finally going to be able to at least get a hold of one of the fraud scandals here in the United States? Shouldn't people be happy about that? Instead, the news is investigating the journalist or is investigating the fraudsters. CNN did a whole entire thing on me when I went outside of Quality Learning Center and I talked to them.

49:45And then they're like, we called seven of the daycares, one of them answered, and they said they weren't fraudulent. Trying to debunk my claim. I'm like, it is incredible reporting from one of the most trustworthy sources ever. They said it was legit. So, uh, yeah. And I even gave them the opportunity to interview me live at that same location when they were on live. And they said, no, really? They said no. So they would rather talk about you than talk to you. And so I knew when I was having that interaction, how they were going to clip it up, but they actually did a fair job in making me, making me look very well because I answered all four questions.

50:18Graham Stephan:So one thing I'm really curious about, there's a proposed tax strike going on right now on Twitter that a lot of people are saying, hey, we shouldn't pay our taxes because all of it's going to waste. What are your thoughts on a tax strike? Yeah, I mean, the Boston Tea Party, they freaked out because of just a few percentages. We're paying 40, 30, 20, some people are paying 50 % of taxes of their dollars to the government. So I don't think it's a bad thing. It wouldn't be anything new for America. but the problem is they'll imprison you if you don't pay your taxes. But if you're a politician who allows$9 billion of fraud, nothing happens.

50:55Graham Stephan:See, how do you explain to the taxpayer the discrepancy when they want to track Venmo payments of more than$600 but there is so much fraud going on every day that you could blatantly see? How do you explain that to the taxpayer in terms of a discrepancy of like, We want to track this, but there's so much just wasted. Yeah, I don't know. It's like shameful how much money we give to taxes. And I'm not into the nitty gritty of the IRS. I'm not a tax person, I'm not a CPA. But I just know that we pay way too much taxes. And what happens to a society if people stop believing that their tax dollars are going to the right places?

51:36You're seeing it right now. People are very upset. Like you said, people are attempting to go on a tax strike. and it'd be amazing if we could actually do something. And people are so mad at Trump for putting tariffs on other countries. And the whole goal is eventually to kind of make, instead of have the IRS, have a different way of funding for our country.

51:55Graham Stephan:There was a really interesting tweet that said that roughly one and a half trillion dollars a year is wasted due to fraud or overspending. And that if we could just get rid of that, you could literally implement no income tax on all income under$650 ,000 a year. I believe it. You just get rid of the waste and the fraud. Yeah, I 100 % believe it. And why should the government be paying for people's lifestyles? Why should they be paying for giving people millions of dollars? Why should they be giving people millions of dollars where they're churning profit for systems like daycare centers? If anything, it should just be a nonprofit.

52:37Do you think that the fraud is partisan, that one side engages in more fraud than the other? Yes, 100%. And how do you know that? Just look at Minnesota, look at California. There's fraud in all 50 states, but you're seeing massive fraud take place inside of these states. For instance, just with the illegal immigration fraud that took place when we started letting in millions of people inside the United States, that was a total left-wing issue. Democrats were flying people in, literally flying them into the United States. So how is that fraud to let in immigrants? So when we talk about like spending, then they're giving the money to the NGOs.

53:16Explain an NGO. Yeah, so an NGO is a non-government organization. And in California, for instance, you'll see a ton of NGOs. I even had a mayor of a California town tell me why they create these NGOs. So for instance, say you're going to run for office and you need campaign money and you're currently in office, but you're going to need more money for your next campaign. Well, you go and tell somebody, hey, go start this NGO. We're going to give you the money. Once the money is sent over to you, we'll get it back into our hands for the campaign. And so then there isn't a label. This is allegedly because I don't want to get sued, but that's one of the ways why you see so many NGOs.

53:56And that's why, for instance, the migrant crisis, people were making millions and millions of dollars off of that migrant crisis.

54:02Graham Stephan:Now, when you expose all the fraud, are you worried about getting sued or being dragged into a lawsuit that could take a long time and cost a lot of money? They'll have to defend themselves as well. They'll have to prove that they're a legit business. So Quality Learning Center, they can't prove they're a legit business because they're a fraudulent business. Here's what could be the potential, though. I should start saying allegedly a little bit more. maybe but the issue that you run into is someone could just say hey i'm going to sue you for saying this for defamation the damage is a hundred million dollars and because we have so much money behind us we're just going to drag it out for years and so we're going to cost you 500 grand and either you have to pay it or hey we just settle and you give us fifty thousand dollars and you agree not to talk about us.

54:55Graham Stephan:How are you planning to combat that if someone were to sue you? Yeah, so when did journalism become criminal too? That's a whole other thing of it. It's like, I'm a journalist. I go out and show people what's happening. And do you think CNN, they came after me yesterday? And it's like, okay. They're like, are you 100 % sure about your video? I said, well, I presented you how it was. You can go ahead and make your own analysis. And she said, well, are you 100 % sure? I said, yeah, I am sure. And then someone comments like, hey, were you guys 100 % true about Russian gate, about mass immigration, about COVID?

55:31Were you guys 100 % true about all these other things? So it's like, how can...

55:35Graham Stephan:Well, the unfortunate aspect of lawsuits is that you could make any claim you want to, even if it's completely false. And then it's up to the other person to defend themselves legally, which costs a lot of money. At that point, it really just becomes a battle of money, of just who has more resources to bully the other person. Yeah, it is scary. But I have a feeling if in the event you get hit with a lawsuit that you would be able to basically just post on Twitter and I bet someone would be willing to either give you free legal service or fund it. Yeah, because I think like, for instance, the Minnesota stuff.

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56:47They're not fraudulent. Did you see that over 40 centers opened up on the same day, actually, linked to the same inactive shell company? Yeah, there's massive fraud in Minnesota. Inside of one building I went to, there was 14 home health care businesses. And then inside of another one, there was 22. If you're a business, why would you have all of your competitors in the same business as you? Like, there's no need for the fraud that's taking place in Minnesota. So what do you think is wrong with traditional journalism? One is they go through all this stuff. It's like the same reason why going to college is almost a disadvantage these days, I feel like, because you're having these professors teach you about marketing.

57:31Meanwhile, they've never received 100 million views on a social media page. And that's where our future is, is through social media. And so with the mainstream media, I mean, they're defending fraud right now versus they're investigating the person who's found fraud instead of investigating the people that are committing the fraud. Like me and other people like myself, we're the biggest threat to them because we're doing what they can't. In mainstream media, they have all these editorial rooms. They have people above that are paying for them. They have all this stuff going on where they just can't go from phone.

58:12From editing to publishing, they have to go to. Phone, editing, editor look at it, make sure it looks good, make sure the higher-ups approve of it, and then we publish the video. And then if they speak out against it, we saw people like, for instance, Sage Steele for ESPN, she spoke out against some stuff that happened. They then fired her. So people don't feel like they can speak freely on the internet or on these mainstream platforms. Do you think that mainstream media will end up dying 100 %? No, not completely. Because you still do have maybe like 100 years from now, yes. But for the next 20 years or so, you'll still see these companies because one, a lot of these billionaires are operating them so they can just continue to embezzle money into these mainstream news media, like these news companies.

59:06and so they'll be able to continue to operate. But you'll see people lose less and less trust. I believe after my Minnesota video, the trust for the mainstream media went down to all-time low. When you were making that video, did you uncover other fraud in the process? Yeah, so I have part two coming out that we are going to go into a whole separate thing of the fraud that enables the fraud to continue, which is these transportation companies that allows the fraud to kind of make it look like it's not as fraudulent. So explain this. Yeah, so you have the home health care business. You have the daycares.

59:40You have the adult daycares. And like, when did we ever hear about adult daycares? Like, what the heck? What does that look like? Yeah, like a bunch of old people in diapers. I don't know. I guess elderly hair is my guess. Yeah, but like, why so many of them? But, and why do you like assisted living? So they have all these, they have all these welfare programs. And they have autism as well. autism rates have skyrocketed throughout Minnesota as they've received millions and millions of dollars. Autism rates have significantly went up for some random reason. But so with these transportation companies, they're all linked.

1:00:16It's like a, it's like what keeps the bike chain spinning, the transportation company, because what these transportations do is these home healthcare companies are able to say, okay, well, our client needs to go to this healthcare provider to receive his treatment. But there's actually no treatment that needs to get, there's no service that actually needs to be rendered. But to get their payment, they're saying, okay, we're going to move this elderly person from the adult daycare center to our healthcare company. And then we're going to charge the transportation vehicle. And then because we charged him, we have proof that somebody showed up to that service.

1:00:53And so then we're going to charge the service and then we're going to send the person back in the transportation vehicle but they never actually send a person and they just write false claims and false services but because the transportation companies that's like their proof of being able to say like

1:01:07Graham Stephan:yes the service was rendered driving around and there's no one in the car yeah if you drive around minnesota drive around minneapolis you'll see tons and tons of vans of somalian men driving these chrysler vans they're primarily chrysler vans for whatever reason and there's nobody in the vehicle. And it's the Somalians doing this one as well. Jack, 89 % of the fraud happening in Minnesota is by Somalians. But don't you have any other group of people that are like, you know, doing the same thing? Yes. There was fraud being committed as well by white people, and they were charged. The Somalians weren't?

1:01:44One Somalian man was caught for$7 million of fraud, charged, a judge overturned it after he had been charged for fraud. What was his fraud? I think it was adult daycare centers. It was one of the welfare frauds. He was charged for$7 million and the judge went and reversed it. Is this just a couple like Somalian kingpins that are very clever that are able to see how to create these fraudulent systems? Or how do you know who's at the top, basically? Well, that's the problem is it's so big, like the roots are so deep now, like where you have so many connections. That's why it's so hard. That's why it's been so hard for the FBI to really go in and do what they need to do because it's such a, so much fraud has been happening.

1:02:28Tim Walts has said he's been trying to combat fraud since 2019. Within six years, a lot of things can happen. A lot of the roots can just keep getting deeper and deeper. More people can be brought into the fraud. That's why it's getting, becoming so hard. And so at the top level, do you think it's mostly negligence of the people that make the policy? Or do you think that it's cowardice? Or do you think it's legitimately just people that are not smart? Cowardice. And it's a huge group of people to get votes. You have upwards of 100 ,000 people where you can go get votes instantaneously.

1:03:05Graham Stephan:How much of this do you think was started innocently? Of like, hey, we want to support the community. We think that if we could help parents out, give them free access to childcare, they could do better. The kids are going to like how much started out as purely just we want to help the community. Yeah, I think it started out in a good way by helping refugees at that time come to America. I don't know if like, for instance, like a difference between a migrant and immigrant. One of those words means that they're here temporarily and another one means they're staying here forever. But refugees, I don't know if the plan is ever to take them back to their country, right?

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1:06:37Graham Stephan:Again, that is shopify.com slash ICH with the link also down below in the description. Enjoy. So if you were governor for a day, what would you do? I would cut all funding. I'd stop it. I put an immediate pause to all funding and say, all right, you guys, we're going to send out this group. We're going to get everyone inside this room and here's the daycares we're gonna go check out. And if they can't answer simple questions, then we're going to send them over to the federal government. And then from the federal government, they're going to go and do their investigation. Like it is so simple to stop the fraud.

1:07:06You literally would just say, all right, let's pause all payments or let's get all the groups that are receiving money from the government from welfare purposes. Let's go to the autism clinics. Let's go to daycares. Let's go to the adult daycares. Let's go to the home health. Let's go to the transportation vehicle companies and let's see what's happening. And let's just ask them, hey, can you show us how you guys are operating? Do it. They could solve it in a week.

1:07:34Graham Stephan:What do you think is the best anti-fraud measure that you've seen? To show you're a legitimate business before receiving money. Like I think what they're doing right now by them freezing all that funding. Amazing. Why didn't they do that before? Like they should show that they're a legit business before they receive the money. Who decided to freeze it? The HHS. So it was not Tim Walz? Not Tim Walz. So in terms of... My favorite new hobby is Ray showing Tim Walz on Twitter. I see you Ray showing everybody on Twitter. That's your new favorite hobby, apparently. What's your Twitter look like? Yeah, I'm getting pretty good at Ray showing people like Tim Walz on Twitter because they're speaking like idiots and they're supporting fraud.

1:08:15And it turns out that the majority of the population doesn't support fraud. and so on Twitter it's been actually crazy for instance just the past few days on Twitter I put out one tweet over 200 ,000 likes on me calling out the mainstream media and a simple tweet of me saying mainstream media is more mad at me than they are than they are at the fact that billions of your tax dollars are being used for fraudulent business I am not an enemy of the people they are i'm with you they are against you remember that 253 000 people like that tweet wow in one day one day and then in terms of like ratioing have you had any like so some person how does he is he just ignoring it oh he's been trying to for the video got through over 500 million views in impressions alone on the within the first 72 hours tim waltz was posting about his cat out of the fire at the, at his, uh, at his house.

1:09:14What about the mayor? The one that was in cahoots with the Somalian guy? I haven't heard anything from him. Nothing. Like all they had to do is just like simply say, all right, we're going to pause fraud. We're going to stop it. Tim Walts just keeps blaming Trump for the fraud. And then you're also seeing people come out like, uh, Hassan Biker. He's such a clown, a little commie. Have you spoke to Hassan? No. And I'd actually be interested in speaking with people. You should. We've had him on the podcast before twice actually and i'd be but the thing is i don't respect these people because they don't go out and actually go see stuff for themselves they're literally just talk behind a streaming

1:09:47Graham Stephan:desk it would be interesting to go out in the field with hassan piker to minnesota i would do it i think it'd be very but but the problem now is that every single daycare is going to look legit yeah they're going to throw kids in there and then it's going to be ah there we go i knew that was going to happen. And so for instance, uh, Hassan, he retweeted something. So since I've gotten so much attention on X lately, um, some of the people that are running for reelection in Minnesota have said like, Oh, we helped Nick Shirley, which is completely false. I saw this yesterday. I was like, wait, what?

1:10:20And, uh, so this person put out this tweet, he, he got 7 ,000 likes. Cause this candidate said that she had worked and worked with me in this video, which was false. And I simply put, this is completely false. I have no idea who this lady is. She is lying to make herself look good for her campaign. Shame on her. 73 ,000 likes in the original post got 7 ,000 likes. So I have way more support on my side because how can you defend fraud? You can't defend it. If you watch someone steal$100 from your grandma, you're just going to let them walk away. What states do you think are the worst for fraud?

1:10:57Yeah, California is very bad. Minnesota, very bad. New York's going to become very bad. One of Mondom's things that he ran on was giving free childcare. And now what do we know about these daycare businesses? They're fraudulent. It's a great way to embezzle money into the hands of other people. The other thing I'm just curious about is we discussed how crazy your past 72 hours are. You said you've been reached out to by the vice president, by, you know, Pam Bondi, cash patel by elon musk i'm curious any other opportunities that have risen from this i saw you actually just went on uh value attainment pbd podcast any other thing yeah i mean a lot of people are trying to get get me offers and stuff but i don't know i'm not interested in really working for anybody else but myself what do you mean offers like is fox news coming to you no just like people are like come join in this platform come get on this thing come do this and And I'm just happy doing my stuff 100 % independent.

1:11:56And then in terms of the amount of exposure, you said that you did feel a little unsafe walking through the streets of Minnesota. Anything else, like walking, even at an airport, I imagine just your life has been turned upside down. You're getting recognized everywhere. Even when I picked you up from the airport, you were completely disguised. Like you had on your hoodie, you had your hat on, you had sunglasses on, you like totally hunched up. what other things have like just for you as a person how has life changed yeah it's hard because you don't like i i was getting views on social media before this so like i already had the like i already get spotted and i don't want to act like i'm some crazy famous person but over the past 72 hours i i was like the most searched person on the internet whereas uh you couldn't escape me from whether it be the memes on tiktok or the post on x and so like that exposure in that time when I post the video the day after Christmas, everyone's on break.

1:12:51They're on their phones. And so the exposure has been crazy. And then the threats and anything like that, for instance, just like getting on the plane to come to leave Minnesota, I was in aisle 10. And within those aisles of me getting on the plane, within those 10 rows, five people came up to me. Like just to get to my seat, five people recognized me from those 10 aisles. And what's the interactions like with those people? positive and never anything like someone screaming at you or like yelling not unless I'm at a protest but it was a little worrisome at the Minneapolis airport for instance because a lot of the workers were Somalian and so I was all covered up and everything but then I'd look up and then they're looking at me they're showing their phone to their friend like is that the guy is that him and it's like oh my gosh get me out of here and what about with your parents what's their reaction?

1:13:45Like my mom, she's involved in my channel. She's a big character. She's like a character on my channel and everything like that. And so, yeah, they're just trying to go after anything they can potentially go after. And so what are your plans with the business? I imagine that you started making quite a bit of money from making this video, popping off in the way that you have. How do you move forward from here? Yeah, I mean, like the money aspect didn't change from what I had before because I've always been making money on YouTube these past two years. And like I said, I just thought this was going to be a regular upload and I thought I'd need to focus on my next video.

1:14:19But when you post a video in the whole entire country that the media of the country, that is not Fox News or Newsmax comes after you, it kind of pushes you away from anything to do with that. They're trying to say, like they're trying to give reasons for people to kill me. Do you seriously worry about being like that? I mean, there's constant attacks. And I've been attacked on live streams and the police had to arrest two people in New York City on a live stream. This is before this happened. They had to arrest two people for attacking me live. People are deranged right now.

1:14:54Graham Stephan:Does it ever make you pause and think, is this worth it if my life is on the line? Yeah, it does. And so kind of going back to what Jack was saying, like, where do I go now? so it's like okay do I post a YouTube video every single week now because I really just can't go out into the street and go make a video like I used to like in Somalia or Minnesota I had to go out and have four security guards with me so I could just go film my video and so it's kind of like when you see like for instance Riley Gaines who spoke out against what's happening to her personally in her life. And it was just something super matter of fact, like super common sense, what she was speaking out against yet the left came at her so hard and they attacked her so hard to that, to the point where her herself, she's, she's her own movement in a way where she can go and talk about what they did because she has that backing of literally people turning on her for having common sense.

1:15:53And so what you just saw with me, just with everybody turning all the mainstream media and the left coming out and defending fraud. Like my life has been changed over these past 72 hours. And, uh, at least for these next few months, I'm like, this is going to be a little harder to do what I got to do, but I'm not going to stop. Like, they're not going to stop me. They're not going to fear me away from doing it. I just have to go about it in a different way. But, um, I do have the opera. I do have an opportunity now to really move it towards something. And I've, which is something I've been wanting to do for a while.

1:16:23And what do you think you're going to move it Do you think you're going to build some sort of a network? Yeah, I think fraud is obviously very important. And obviously people are passionate about it, right? Because no one likes to see their money get stolen. Because that's what fraud is. It's your dollars, my dollars, their dollars all getting stolen. And so nobody likes to see it happening, especially when you can go and literally see it with your eyes. So I do have plans on creating some sort of, I don't want to say like a movement in a way, but something where people can be like, okay, I'm a part of this.

1:16:58Graham Stephan:I would love to see a public tip network or something that is open for everybody to look at where you could submit anonymous tips for fraud that's going on or, you know, hey, we should look into this. Yeah, like a decentralized doge. I would love that. And then imagine you could type in a zip code and you could see, hey, these are all the fraud claims in this area. And, you know, you take it with a grain of salt, of course, but at least, hey, we could look into some of these things. It might be hard because then you'd be like doxing individuals and businesses like if you don't know. But I do like that idea.

1:17:37There already is an IRS tip line. Yes. Where you have to bring forth some sort of an evidence that someone is committing tax fraud. And then you can actually take a percentage of what they claim from that individual. And then on top of that, if they're able to do that from the people they're supposed to be representing or serving, then why can't we do that with them? Like, why can't we detect government fraud?

1:17:58Graham Stephan:So it's interesting. On the IRS thing, I didn't realize they have to prove more than$2 million of tax revenue that gets collected to receive a payout. Is that what it is? That's probably why it's so hard for people to actually go get that false payment. So it's not like you could just say, hey, you know, so-and-so isn't paying in taxes. You have to go with receipts, and the IRS has to be able to collect$2 million minimum. Yeah. But it makes it because they don't want to be like, oh, we're not going to spend all these resources tracking down like a missed, you know,$400 payment or something like this.

1:18:33Yeah, because by that time— Major. By that time, most likely, that money has already gone to Dubai, and then it was sent tax-free to some other country. Because that's what the Somalians do in Minnesota. if you go on to YouTube and you can look up this video from 2017 Fox News did a video I think the local Fox News did a video where Somalians were bringing in millions of dollars in cash through TSA and they then take it over to Dubai and then they send it off to Somalia so like a lot of that money this is another part that's gonna be in my part two videos I interviewed a man who used to work at TSA in the airport and he dealt with millions of dollars in cash that the Somalians what takes her the airport you're gonna be Somalia's like number one enemy oh for sure how much would someone have to pay you to visit Somalia uh nine billion dollars you know get all our money back nine million nine billion nine billion dollars that's what we've given them I mean that would be extremely entertaining but also dangerous yeah that would be crazy right if I went to Somalia

1:19:30Graham Stephan:well because we're probably going to post this around the time you're posting your video is Is there anything you could tell us about that one? Well, just the fact that I'm going deep into the transportation companies. None of them existed. We went to all of them. They had transportation companies listed in apartments. And they receive money from the government to go and do these non-emergency transportation. Are you seeing any of these people with a very flashy lifestyle, like fancy cars and nice clothes and things like this? Yes. Outside the daycares, there's this one daycare that this is another example of blatant fraud.

1:20:08So this daycare, they closed down because of violations. And then that same day, they reopened underneath a different name and continue to receive money. I went to the daycare, three BMWs in a Range Rover outside. No children. It's like those shows where it's like, how stupid are you to show that you're committing fraud? God, why are you driving around? How is our government-funded daycare receiving three BMWs in a Range Rover outside? I mean, those are really good for daycare. Yeah, really good for the kids. They just love the leather seats. What is your dream video to make? Dream video to make?

1:20:51I've always wanted to interview presidents. Oh, so it would just be an interview. Well, that's like a dream video. Mine is to do, like I really wanted to interview Naib Ukele in El Salvador. Have you spoken to him? I've met him once. I shook his hand. Was it brief? Because I know you made, the first video I saw of you was at the Seacott. Yeah, it was very, I literally just shook his hand and he just, I was just like in a press pool and I shook his hand and he just, and I've seen Trump. I met Trump in the Oval Office. I gave a speech to Trump, a briefing at the Antifa thing. So that's another thing why I like.

1:21:25How did you get that interview? With Trump?

1:21:28Graham Stephan:Yeah. Well, I just, it was interesting because I got invited to the White House for when Naib B. Kelly came. El Salvador actually invited me to the White House and I had no idea what was going to happen. I thought I was just going to take photos when they go in to the White House. I thought that was going to be it. And they're like, oh, you're going to be in the, you're going to go into the Oval. And I didn't know whether they're, they said you're going to go into the meeting where the president and Naib were speaking. And I didn't know whether it's going to be like the Roosevelt room, the Oval office.

1:21:56So like, I'm just in this press pool and they just like pushed me up front. And I look up and I just see Trump. He's just like, We're the Hartford with decades of experience insuring millions of unique small businesses. When it comes to your small business insurance,

1:22:12Graham Stephan:Thank you. one size absolutely does not fit all. Get a quote or find an agent today at thehartford.com slash small business. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money. Whether it's the funds fueling AI or crypto's trillion dollar swings, There's a money side to every story Get the money side of the story Subscribe now at Bloomberg.com I was like, what is going on? It felt like, and he has so much makeup on He didn't even really look real He's just sitting there like this And then Naive Kelly's just like this And then Trump just looks at his sheet He's like, alright, alright everybody And he starts speaking And then they're like, all right, does any, then Trump goes, finishes talking with the Navy.

1:23:00He's like, questions. And then everyone just starts yelling like, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President. I'm like, wait, am I going to ask a question? And so I'm right next to CNN with Caitlin Collins and me and her are battling to get a question off. And finally I just get a question off. And you see my hand is like shaking like this. And I asked Trump to question. And that was very cool. what was the question i asked him like how essential is it to be sending people to uh i think to secot like how essential is it to be getting these people out of our country because they're a bunch of like we don't want venezuelan gangsters inside our country like and if venezuela wouldn't accept them send them to secot were you happy with trump's response yeah i was happy with it i was just happy to get the question off and not look like a fool because you only have one shot to ask a question when you're inside the office and i was the first YouTuber ever to document an Oval Office meeting.

1:23:59Graham Stephan:Now, I'm curious, based on that, you were on the PPD podcast and you put out a tweet and you said, hey, for these people, how could I help? Did any of them reach out? Yeah, within like an hour after I left, I got like a call from the FBI. How do they get your phone number? It's the FBI. It's the FBI. You're on something today. That's crazy. Yeah. Yes. they just but what's crazy well it's crazy though so they called me and I missed the call because I've had my phone I don't disturb I missed the call and then I could then I had received so many calls within those 10 minutes that I didn't I couldn't track back the phone call so I couldn't get back to them wait so they reached out did they leave a voicemail or anything no so like you know on the iPhone how now like you can screen a phone call and so I was in the Uber car with the I was in the car with the Uber and I was like well I don't want to answer the phone like with Uber right there.

1:24:55And so I was like, okay, I'll call him back. And then by the time I had got out of the Uber to then call him back, I couldn't find my phone number. You've got to do another tweet and be like,

1:25:06Graham Stephan:at FBI, I missed your phone call. Please call me back and leave a voicemail. Yeah, and then put your phone number at the end of the tweet. Yeah, like right now I have over 450 messages that I can't even respond to. Can I see? Can I just see your phone? Yeah.

1:25:23Graham Stephan:oh my gosh like I don't even know who's reaching out to me you are not kidding no I literally don't know who's reaching out to me because there's a lot of these phone numbers I don't have saved and so I'm not just going to start responding to people wow oh nice you got a text from Andrew Callahan yeah what do you think about Andrew Callahan I don't understand why he's kind of gone so left leaning on a lot of his stuff but I think he's he's a he's a good person he has a good heart he would probably say the same thing to you i don't understand why he's gone so right leaning on his stuff yeah he even called me out one of his videos for being a right like right wing youtubers in portland when i was literally getting attacked by antifa and so i was like wait come on dude well it's interesting me and him had lunch because i i used to love channel five um and like all gas no brakes i really liked that the what he was doing and i thought it was interesting so he he was like one of the people i i liked when i was kind of like getting inspired to do more, more political, more serious videos.

1:26:21And, uh, I had lunch or dinner with him one night when I was in California and we talked and he said he was excited to see what Trump was going to do. And then I was just kind of confused when I saw that, like he went like very anti-Trump and like started, uh, just being very anti-Trump. What do you think when people call you a right wing influencer? That's what they're going to call me because I'm speaking out against, I'm not even speaking out, actually. What you saw from me the past two years has been me just acquiring knowledge about what's happening, interviewing people, and seeing what's happening in the world.

1:26:57Now they have forced me to use the knowledge I've acquired to give my opinion as they've attacked me over the past 72 hours. And people are loving it. You also gave a speech to President Trump as well. Yeah. How did that go? What was the speech about? Yeah, I got invited to the roundtable about Antifa. Because in Portland, literally inside of Portland, there was an entire block where Antifa had essentially took control of. And they started like controlling the traffic, controlling the streets. Like at certain times when they were protesting, they were in over a 160-day protest about ICE. And the Portland police did not do anything about it.

1:27:35And so they then invited us to go to this roundtable meeting with Trump. And I had no idea Trump was going to be there. I had no idea that I was going to give a speech. they just said like some important people are going to be there from the cabinet and you're going to have the opportunity to be there and then that morning when I get to the hotel they're like all right we're going to hop on a zoom call and Caroline Leavitt hops on and she says you guys we're going to have you're going to have the opportunity to kind of talk about your experience with what you've seen um it'll be super brief like two three minutes and just kind of share your experience with the president I was like what hold up we're gonna have to give a speech speech.

1:28:14And then I wrote my speech like five minutes before I got picked up by an Uber to go to the White House. And it did over 50 million views. I saw it. It was a really good speech. What's your favorite meme from this whole thing? Because there have been so many. It's a photo of me and it says, my next trick, make Democrats support fraud. It's a photo of my face. It's pretty funny.

1:28:35Graham Stephan:What was up with that one lady who was given a speech and she said the word uh fraud and then so you visibly got upset and then seemed like at first she was like she said i understand fraud is bad yeah a fraud is bad but then was like should i have read that and i couldn't tell i but but then it seemed like she just broke down and started crying and i was i was confused because they're all in on the fraud she knows fraud's happening so she openly admitted to fraud she could have also just been misspeaking like when she said i know fraud is bad like that's not necessarily her saying it sounds like it but like i know fraud is bad but we need to afford food like you know what i mean but it also could be like i know fraud is bad and that's not what we're engaging in so you don't and then the next person a white liberal woman speaks up and she says she goes in her speech and then she accidentally says there is fraud and she freaks out too so are they given a script they're all reading a piece of paper so who's given them the piece of paper to read and why don't they proofread this before saying it?

1:29:38Well, then they went off the record and started speaking without the paper and they started saying this fraud is bad. And you're seeing like all these like white liberal women are their worst enemy. They're supporting people who are stealing from them. They support criminals that look at them as prey. Like their logic is so bad that they literally have gotten to the point where they support criminals and fraudsters. And that's why fraud has been able to happen because people are so scared to talk about things for what they really are. Like fraud's bad. And if it's happening with 89 % of the population inside of Minnesota and every single daycare I go to happens to be Somalians, that's the facts.

1:30:19You're not going to make me just not post my video because it's Somalians. We got to know for your business, how do you produce your videos? Yeah, it's just me. It's just you. You edit your own videos. Yeah, for the long form videos on YouTube, it's just me. And so how do you film it? Like, what do you use to film your videos? So I try to film in a... My whole goal is for people to feel like they're inside the video and they're feeling the video for what it really is. So I'm not filming with a huge big camera like this. I'm filming with something that feels real, like with your eye. Because sometimes I feel like the big cameras, they can't put like a glossy feel or they put like some contrast in your skin.

1:30:59in. So I use cameras that are very like non-professional in a way. And I focus highly on the audio and I'll either film it or I'll bring somebody with like my mom to come and film for me.

1:31:10Graham Stephan:I think it'd be very interesting if you could go and show how easy it is to open a daycare. I think you should open a daycare. I should open a daycare. We should all open a daycare. That would be funny actually for you to open up and then run it like an, as an actual daycare. Yes. That would not help. And I promise you guys, I will not block out the windows. I'll keep it all fair and clean. I'll have a reception desk. I'll have a brochure to give everybody so they can enroll their child. And I'll have the most profitable daycare in all of Minnesota. But I just think before your next expose, go and do the thing that you are exposing before you post the video.

1:31:49Graham Stephan:Oh, that would be interesting. Yeah, you actually do the scam before you. Yeah, whatever it is. Just to show and document. Hey, guys, here's how easy it is. I submitted my paperwork the same day I got approved, the same day I was eligible for$500 ,000 of funding, and I'm just a dude who applied online. This is obviously a broken system. Somebody who lives in Minnesota should do that, but they actually say they're not accepting anymore, I believe. Actually, the licensing website, after I had exposed the Minnesota government, the website where you could see the licensing for all the daycares randomly crashed.

1:32:28Graham Stephan:Yeah. Well, I'm going to say, but if you go to, let's say, a state like California and you show some of the homeless fraud that's going on and you see, wait a second, these homeless shelters are getting$50 ,000 a month and all you have to do is do XYZ, I think it would be in everyone's best interest to walk them through. Here's how you do XYZ and here's how much funding is available. That would be a good idea. Before we post the video. Unfortunately, I don't live in California. I live in a state where. You could find someone, I'm sure. Sure, I could find somebody. That's a good idea. or you could just talk to somebody about how they went about and did it, who's running the business.

1:33:02Graham Stephan:Yeah. I think the next one though, honestly, I'd look at the landlords. The landlords? Look at the landlords of these. But wouldn't you be happy if you're a landlord and you're receiving automatic money no matter what? That's not like a morally bad issue if you're a landlord because you're trying to make a profit too. It depends. I think either landlords could be turning a blind eye and just say, hey, listen, they're going to pay their rent. I don't care. I don't care what they do. I'm oblivious to it. And they could be just ignoring. They could also just be ignorant and say, hey, this looks like a great business.

1:33:35Graham Stephan:I'm going to accept it. Or they could be complicit and say, hey, yeah, they're running this and I'm going to cash in on this too. What's wrong with that, though? Like if they're just existing and they're like, hey, these people are willing to pay me. It's in my interest as a landlord to try to find someone to pay for this space. And then they do it. It's like, it's not like they're the ones that are actually committing the fraud. They're just the person. What would be interesting if, let's just say like, say it's a family member who owns a business. That's exactly. That's what would be interesting.

1:34:05But if it's just, if it's just a random person and then literally one person is like, hey, I am obtaining this money, you know, amount per month and I can pay you$5 ,000 a month. And someone else is like, I can pay you$3 ,000 a month. You're obviously going to go with the person that pays you$5 ,000 a month.

1:34:20Graham Stephan:I'm just saying for a lot of commercial landlords, they do a decent amount of due diligence on who the tenant is and their ability to pay the rent. And you don't want to have an issue where a tenant stops paying, you have an eviction. Any one of these things could throw a wrench in the entire property or gets tied up in litigation. You don't want that. So I'm just saying there's a level of due diligence the landlords have to go under to take a tenant like this. And when there are so many daycares around, I'm just saying it's something to look at. So that's like a problem with the government because they've enabled it to happen for so long.

1:34:52They've allowed, Tim Waltz said he's expanding daycares. He said that. And so if you're a landlord, you're probably stoked to have a business that's not, a building that's not been occupied. They're going to come in and rent for$10 ,000 or whatever amount of money it is. You're stoked. It could be totally innocent. Because these daycares are industrialized businesses. They're not just like daycares.

1:35:17Graham Stephan:I'm just saying, look at who owns the businesses, who owns the real estate. there could be something there. Maybe not. There might be. What is your mission, if you were to just say? Yeah, now my journalism is turning into actual change. We've never seen something like this, where after a video within hours, the government launches full-on investigations into a city about fraud. There was some investigations going on beforehand. However, multiple new investigations took place. You saw people going door to door. HSI, Homeland Security started going door to door to some daycares to see what was happening to these Somalian ran businesses.

1:35:57You've never seen that before. So what I'm seeing now is that my journalism can actually create real change. I'm here to help people and to show people what's happening for things as they really are and to show them the reality of things. None of us are perfect. But at the end of the day, the whole goal is to leave the world a better place than we left, than we received it and to create actual change. Where does that passion come from? Why does it matter so much to you? I think God uses all of us in different aspects. The experiences I had when I was in high school have propelled me to where I'm at now.

1:36:33The experiences I had doing door-to-door sales in Florida selling pest control allowed me to have conversations that I'm able to have now and the opportunities I had the past two years of going around talking to people, that's propelling me to where I'm at now. My acquiring knowledge phase, I like to call it, where I just soaked in as much knowledge as I could is now allowing me to give more of my opinion to people. And like I said, not everything's perfect. People might disagree with some things I have to say, but I'm just trying to point out stuff in a way that's as common sense as possible.

1:37:08Nick, thank you so much for carving out the time to come on the podcast. We really, really appreciate it. I imagine like, you know, we mentioned earlier, your schedule is just insane right now. So we really appreciate it. Yeah, it's been great.

1:37:19Graham Stephan:And coming out on New Year's Day, New Year's Eve flying in to come hang with us, film with us on New Year's Day is really cool. My biggest priority is to serve the people that are watching me. So by me coming on here, I hope new people are also become interested in what's happening in the country. Like I work for the people that watch my videos, that give me views that allow me to continue what I'm doing. So I'm not here as somebody who's just trying to get views at this point. I've got them already. Now I'm here to serve people. So if you're to provide a call to action for some people out there, they want to see more of you or they want to come support you, what can they do?

1:37:59Yeah, the most important thing is just to follow me on all platforms, Nick Shirley, and just follow me. All of that stuff will be linked down below. You're also selling this merch. We got it. I like that. Yeah, a lot of people need to be leering a lot more this year. So hopefully a lot of people are leering and they're not opening up daycares and can't even spell the word learning right. So we're going to make the world a better place this year. Thanks so much for watching, guys. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

1:38:24Graham Stephan:Till next time. See ya.

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