BTC249: The Convergence of Bitcoin, AI, and Energy w/ Rod Roudi (Bitcoin Podcast)

26:29So walk us through this. What happened? Yeah. Yeah. So it's the commons. So Parker Lewis was the one who started Bitcoin commons. The mayor. in the mayor, Austin, Texas, now head of business development at ZapRite. He just focused on building ZapRite. And he asked me, hey, the Austin community is amazing. And by the way, the Austin community is amazing. The density, and I don't like to say this because Parker and I have this frenemy competition between Austin and Nashville, but the density of developers, engineers, and entrepreneurs in Austin, Preston, is unbelievable. Straight up unbelievable.

27:06I went, I have been like basically going there a minimum once a month, but like at beginning when we started it in February one, I was going there weekly, just doing a day trip and just texted like a few friends and then a few friends. And then for the first meeting, just to let everyone know, like what I think the vision here is, but I really need to be community driven. We had like 14 of the best Bitcoiners like that. I would just be like, are we, should we do a summit right now? This would be amazing. And there's something there, but it takes a lot of work to continuously organize a community and rally the troops around meetups, workshops and summits.

27:45And I do think it needs to be like a core focus. Like my time capital reputation is all in on Bitcoin Park. So it's super honored, even like that Parker and the Austin community would just even think of me. and now hiring two amazing people, Andrew Davis and Jack Lesser, both leading Park Austin and Park Nashville. And then Rob Warren, who heads up our research and education. I mentioned that custody white paper. He's the one authoring it. And by the way, just a quick tangent, like going to your point, I do think there just needs to be more resources that are signal versus noise. And so Kathy Wood, super kind.

28:25We've been doing that Bitcoin brainstorm that you've been on a couple of times, her team and my team now with Rob are working on research together. So one of our first papers we're going to introduce is called Killing Bitcoin, easier said than done. Because I want to bring to light about an itch of like, we need to be more adversarial in our conversations around Bitcoin and just be more vigilant. And so how cool is it? Like ARK Invest is going to publish this along with Bitcoin Park. And she's just been another double tangent, but she's just been so amazing. Dude, she's awesome. She really is awesome.

28:59I'm like a nobody. And she's, her and the team wanted to do this with Bitcoin Park. Yeah. I was like, oh man, they do the crypto thing and so on. I'm like, I'm really focused on Bitcoin. I don't know if it's going to jive. She's like, Rod, this is a big, we're called Bitcoin brainstorm. You create and curate the show. We produce and distribute it. And I want to be there. Yeah. I'm like, all right. And I thought you'd just be there by like one episode or whatever. We just recorded our 18th episode and we've been doing it for two years now. We just had Paolo from Tether on, which was awesome with Dr.

29:28Laffer. And yeah, it's just been a blast. So I do think locally produced, globally distributed, high signal Bitcoin and FreedomTech news and information is going to be a huge need and differentiator. And that's what we're going to focus on. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. I got a chance to meet Dr. Laffer and Kathy. Not only meet him, you were on the panel with Kathy and Dr. Laffer. It was great. I know. It was a huge honor to really kind of sit down with both of them, thanks to you. And just tell the audience a little bit about him and how quickly he just kind of like got Bitcoin like immediately. Yeah.

30:05But it's really neat the story with him. Yeah. If you get the chance to meet Dr. Laffer, I would cancel everything you got and just make it happen. I love his energy. I love his curiosity. I love his directness. He's a big brain. Tell people his background for people that might not know. Yeah. So he was the former economic advisor for the Reagan administration. He was also the author of the Laffer curve in economic history. And he's also Kathy's mentor, Kathy Wood's mentor. He was her teacher back in college, right? Yeah, exactly. And so they stayed very close. Yeah. And all the way, I'm pretty sure he's on the board of ARC.

30:44They're very involved and have a great relationship. And honestly, like he's just amazing. He's in Nashville. His office is right up the street. His team comes to the park. I mean, it's, I pinched myself because I'm like, what timeline am I in right now? We got like all these people rolling through the park. I can honestly say, I don't know that I've been to the park. The last four times I've been up there, there has at least been a Senator at the park the last four times I've been up there. And every time I'm there and I see just like the people that are coming around for the events that you're holding i'm just like like is this real like what is happening this is so crazy and they're in like dad genes and new balances they're like and it's just well there's policymakers and they're great but like it's like the doctor laughers and it's like the cathys and it's like these other really amazing people in their own respective industries yeah that want to just learn they're there to learn from us yeah and then develop relationships directly and that's what you know one of our core values of the park with the team is like no gatekeepers.

31:45Like we are not gatekeepers here. So like we want to authentically create connective tissue amongst like our core, which is our member, our Bitcoin park member community, and then our general Bitcoin park community as well. But no, Dr. Laffer is unbelievable. He's so like a little bit of the reason why I wanted to do imagine if, to be honest with you. So imagine if. Explain this. Cause this is happening after the custody summit. Uh, and then, yeah, go ahead. Run with it. Yeah. So it's September 19th and 20th and something I've been dreaming about for a long time. So I've wanted to do a summit of summits because I like, and Kathy's the one that kind of planted this in my head.

32:23She's like, Rod, there's a convergence happening right now between Bitcoin, AI, energy, and all these industries. And they're all converging and cladding right now. And it's going to be fascinating to see what happens. And I'm like, yeah, you know what? We need to like bring that conversation to light. and it would be very tough to do it. Even like our park summits are very focused on Bitcoin and Freedom Tech and they're like 100, 150 people. This one, I really want to bring a lot of the industry leaders across Bitcoin, AI, energy, and Freedom Tech together. And then on top of that, I just knew there's Kathy and Dr.

32:56Laffer. Every time I get them together, magic just happens between them. It's simply amazing. And so the ARK team, we have a weekly meeting with the team just to riff on a number of things related to Bitcoin. and like I'm gonna do this and I would love for you guys to partner with me I'll do all the work similar to that create and curate you guys produce and distribute and they're like auto yes let's go and Kathy's been kind she's coming and dr. Laffer's and he's coming Adam back's coming Odell and all those guys are coming I definitely want to ego death would love all you guys and you guys are just crushing it so I just want to give you guys a shout out and it makes it really cool because now, you know, a lot of the policymakers and a lot, they now know about these Bitcoiners.

33:40And when I'm like, oh, Adam back or Preston Pysh, right? So, oh, they're coming. Okay, great. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Tell them I said hello and we're going to come and like, we'll just be in attendance. It's okay. And we just want to be there and support and learn from the broader community. And the other second point I like when they ask like, what's the topic? right and it's not like normally other ones would ask who's coming what's the audience side and so on and they're asking like what's the topic yeah oh that's interesting of course they're going to want to know who the audience is but they can glean into what's happening and so at this one we have like 65 companies over 200 folks registered already for imagine if we have like companies like xai coming with most likely the boring company like those type of companies And imagine like a Blockstream, Anchor Watch, a BDK Foundation are also going to be in the attendance.

34:31Energy companies like TVA, shout out to them. They are going to have a pretty significant presence and probably a participation as well. And then there's other energy providers like where it gets really fun, especially on the Tennessee side. Preston is on the nuclear. And so you got like Kairos Energy, Arano, Auckland. Like we're tracking to have all of those folks in attendance too. So I could see a conversation real. And that's why I titled this Imagine If. And I want people and it's dreamers and doers. You know, you got a Jack Dorsey, for example. He's dreaming of we need to decentralize Bitcoin mining and really compete at the rig level.

35:10And then he's got an amazing team of doers that just execute on that mission. And so I want to bring both of those groups together. And I want us just to dream much bigger and what those possibilities are and then implement the world that we want to see. Let's take a quick break and hear from today's sponsors.

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39:17Because if I was a policymaker, if I'm an elected official or whatever, and you're not like crazy hyper-focused on those three things for your state or jurisdiction, like I don't know what to tell you. You're totally missing the boat on where everything's going, right? Right. Well, and that's the thing. And I am very biased to Tennessee because that's where I live in Nashville. And, you know, all the governor's team and all these, we have an unfair advantage with the TVA and Oak Ridge. We need to leverage this unfair advantage. And especially on the SMRs, the small modular reactors. And how do we accelerate?

39:51The state did a really good job of creating this like$70 million fund to like kickstart investment in the state around nuclear companies. And what I want to do, similar to the Bitcoin side, where we kind of made Nashville where Bitcoiners like in the U.S. as well as globally kind of come and work, learn, collaborate, and build. Well, every year in September for Imagine If, I want to bring all three of those industry leaders and doers. You're not going to be able to probably make it every year, but at least in Nashville, Tennessee, every September, Imagine If is happening. And you've got to tune in and be a part of this because that's where we have really deep and meaningful connections and conversations.

40:29Yeah. Yeah. I mean, from the policy standpoint, They need to just open the floodgates for promoting these three entities to just set up shop, whatever they've got to do from a tax standpoint to promote it. And the thing is, is like you put that governance or that policy, the laws in place, you're just, it's going to be like a magnet for them to come into the region. So hopefully they realize this. And I think they, and I'll share like Georgia, I think is doing a good job of that, especially with the data with core scientific. incentivizing them there. There was a reason why we were in Dalton, Georgia yesterday for the proto announcement.

41:07The Corps has a number of facilities all over. I don't know what the reason was, but it seemed like Georgia power, the Georgia government, the lieutenant governor, the state senator, the council people, they were all lined up. And so that's another thing. We're talking about the policy side and there's the capital allocator side. This is really interesting to me as well. So we're probably, you know, so for imagine if you need to request an invitation, because I want to make sure, like I always say, even at our smallest meetups to our largest experiences that we host, I always say one thing when I kick it off, which is I take a lot of pride and responsibility in making this the best Bitcoin and Freedom Tech experience you'll have all year.

41:47And so I want to make sure you're here at the best place. But the capital allocators are really interesting, because now they're like, okay, this is interesting. I cannot deny that Bitcoin is like this unbelievable investment. The administration seems like they're supporting it. There's more air coverage in terms of supportive legislation. Okay. Now let's, how do we allocate towards this space? Okay. Well, do we go the picks and shovels route and go into the infrastructure side? Or do we go straight to the treasury side and to the entrepreneur side? Do we go straight into the asset side? And so on.

42:20And the type of high net worth individuals, family offices, institutional investors and these folks that want to learn more and and it's so funny they're like bringing like a physical notebook and being like okay Preston you said this about this like now I want to dig into what you meant by this because I really want to learn more about this that's why I take a lot of pride and responsibility not only in the content curation but in the people curation speakers as well as the attendees to maximize the time for all of us to be there you briefly mentioned AI at the beginning. And literally, as you were talking, I had an idea that popped into my head that I think could be useful for all the attendees as they go back home and they're trying to decompress everything that happened at the event.

43:08Before I throw out whatever that idea is, I just want to get your overall opinion on using AI now. I know you have talked about this recently in some of your interviews where you're doing browser extensions, you're doing this, just the speed at which you can create content and bootstrap things with funding and whatnot using AI. Give us your rundown. Where are you at with AI? What's happening? It's kind of like you have to use it in terms of your workflow. Whatever workflow you have, you need to augment it, experiment with AI. So for example, I use voice to text pretty much now for everything I do.

43:43The majority of what I do on the keyboard now is voice to text because it's just voice is like five to ten times more efficient than it is to text. However, the lift to actually get myself into that habit was very high, but I forced myself and now I'm running. Similar to AI, I would not say, oh, I just used it. It gave me an okay response or I didn't really, and then I'm just going to go back to Googling and doing whatever. My first suggestion is commit. Don't pay an annual fee, but pay a monthly fee for whatever AI service. I have no recommendations on one or the other, but just use one and just start using it as your default Google search.

44:19It's so funny when people ask me questions now or even like a question about something else. I'm like, did you ask whatever service? You're like, oh no. And then there's the answer right then and there. So that's first and foremost. Second is you'll be, and you do this really well, is anything that's repetitive in terms of your workflows that you're looking to do, and especially that takes away your energy should be most likely automated through an AI agentic type of, either a delegated purposefully or through some sort of AI agent, full stop. Like you gotta get that off your workload because if I'm able to go, like you take one step forward and I'm able to take 1.1 step forward every single day, I'm gonna be light years ahead of you.

45:03Even though you could still see me right now, you're not gonna be able to see me in like half a year from now. Yeah. But I will say, it's not like, oh, well, the AI tooling, still people are creative and thoughtful. And you're gonna, there's so much slop out there. And you're just like, dude, I know you're using AI. You're not like, I immediately do not read what you're saying. But then when, for example, I've always wanted to write more. I have this like series called, This is Dumb, But Hear Me Out. And I have all these topics that I wanna write about. And now I can go to that backlog of notes and I can just start talking with the AI and just start getting my thoughts more crystallized.

45:41And now I write, and for me, it's somewhat therapeutic because it's just a great habit to develop and I wouldn't be able to do it without AI. So I would say in terms of a suggestion, it's just, you have to include it in your workflow and it is just so unbelievable. Yeah. So for me, taking meetings, especially engineering, tech heavy type meetings, which I take quite a bit of, We'll sit there, we'll talk for a half hour, an hour. And some things I'm picking up, some things I'm not picking up. And a lot of the times you don't want to slow down the conversation because it's kind of moving very quickly.

46:18But what I found is we use like a Firefly service where it's giving you, and even Zoom has this now where you can get the full transcript of the conversation after you're done. And what I find myself doing is if it's a recurring conversation engineer. Let's take ARK, for example, that we were talking about at the start of the show, which is a really technical thing with these virtual UTXOs and blah, blah, blah. So I have a context window and I would take the whole, let's say it was a conversation for a half hour, an hour about ARK, and I'm literally catching like 10 % of what's being thrown down.

46:53I can take that entire discussion, rip it out of the AI is giving me the word for word, right? I can then ingest it into the context window via PDF. And then I can go back and I can say, hey, there was something that happened in this conversation, like maybe 25 % of the way through that was in reference to this. And I didn't really understand what was being said. Yeah. And it knows exactly, it can immediately enter, I can interact almost like I have the best expert on the planet sitting there. It's unbelievable. But then where I think it even goes further is I might have another three conversations.

47:28I'll ingest those conversations into that same context window. And now it's just getting smarter and smarter. And my ability to query anything is like off the charts. And so why I was smiling when you were talking about this event that you were having, the whole time I'm thinking, oh my God, they need a transcript of every, like if you have a website or something like that after the event's crossover that has a transcript of every panel, right? And then you could even have roll-ups and you could even have things like if, let's say you were a politician or you were a person from the energy sector, or you were a person from this branch of whatever, you can have an AI recap and like the, so what, like, why is this important to you?

48:14Or what did you, like, you can get all of that out of there and you could have these files that people could extract for themselves that could then help them chew through the value capture that they can get that maybe they just didn't have the time or bandwidth to be able to handle while they were there, or they didn't even attend, but they want to be able to ingest all of this. Dude, it's crazy. It's crazy. It is totally crazy. And just like the website, which is bitcoinpark.com forward slash imagine if, shout out to Jack on my team. He vibe coded that brilliant website together and it looks so nice.

48:47Yeah. All of that. And then think about it. We have speakers, the profile pics, all of that is just like, I think we were using cursor AI for that one. And it's just so easy. And that's where Preston, the curation of content is going to, and that's where I'm dumb and bad at like 99 out of a hundred things. One thing I think I'm pretty good at is curation of signal. Yeah. And this is like me, like Marty and I joke is like, and this is our time to shine, you know, the thought boys or whatever it's called, but being able to curate all of that signal and then distill it into like clear bites of information such that you could be the policy maker, you could be the engineer, you could be the entrepreneur.

49:33And you're like, wait a minute, I'm just want to be an entrepreneur that makes these widgets. Oh, I can use Bitcoin plus this AI customer service widget. And now I'm band of one that I have unstoppable money that I'm accepting while I have my customer service department that I would have to pay like hundreds of thousands of dollars in a call center or whatever. And I'm able to just focus in on my craft that actually gives me the most energy and I enjoy it. Preston, for our kids and where we are right now, I've never been more bullish in my entire life. Yeah. Here's another weird idea. You could take transcripts of everything that happened at this, you know, imagine if, let's say there's 30 panels or whatever, right?

50:15You take the transcripts of those 30 panels, you put them into your own transformer so that you train it on everything that was said, right? And then you just have some like interface on the website after the event that I could go in there, I'm politician, whoever, or I'm from the energy sector, CEO, whoever. And I go in there and I'm just like, hey, I'm out of the energy sector, like what is something that happened during this, all these panel discussions that would be really useful for me to know. And literally the transformer that's been coded up on all the conversations that happened at the thing can come back and respond and give that specific person exactly what they need to know that was insightful or a novel that came out of the conversation.

50:57Like totally. I think our, at least my vision here, you're totally right. And you actually use Claude probably in ChatGBT and all that other stuff as long as we make it available, which I don't see any reason why we wouldn't. One of the areas, I will say this, most people are though lazy, including myself. So they're not going to even want to maybe even do that interaction in step. They're going to want to go click and show me the clips, show me the highlight. And it's like the Instagram feed, but there's going to be a good percent that want to go choose your own adventure and go down that rabbit hole.

51:26I do think this allows us because we've done such a great job of curating a lot of conversations at the park. We're sitting on a treasure trove of just amazing content, similar to how you are as well. And we just distributed on our just regular Bitcoin Park Twitter account. Well, we now have 18 episodes of Bitcoin Brainstorm. We have all these meetups, workshops, and summits that we've produced and published. Now we're going to organize them around these summits that we've created. So we have the Energy and Mining Summit in January. Most likely FOSS will be February. March is Bitcoin takeover in Austin.

52:01April is our grassroots Bitcoin. And the list keeps going to September, which is Imagine If and the Custody and Treasury Summit. October, we do Global Bitcoin Summit. And then there's a Bitcoin Payment Summit. There's Nostra. The list goes on. Every single one of those, Preston, I'd like to produce an annual white paper that is a good primer for the audience to come and learn more. And you don't even need to read the whole paper. The paper is just published. And then you can use your own agent interface to query it and be like, hey, you know my style and my learning abilities. How best should I prepare?

52:33I want to go to the custody and treasury summit September 17th and 18th. What are five bullets I want to know about? Great. Oh, who else is speaking, by the way, on MPC, multi-party custody? And are they speaking on this? And what should I pick up? I was like, oh, Rob Hamilton and Adam Backer doing XYZ on this. And what are the risk factors? And then all of a sudden it's like, you know, that's why I wrote this piece, how conferences just suck and they're just like a lot very vanilla. And look, I get them and there's a purpose for these type of things, but like curated experiences like these summits, in my opinion, and now having more information to be better prepared to go into there to maximize your deep knowledge, as well as getting your connective tissue exponentially increased.

53:13That's what I care a lot about. And I think if someone gave me that resource ahead of time, going into a hundred person summit, I'd be like, holy smokes, I'm like cooking with gasoline right now, meeting, like catching it with Preston and catching it with this person on X, Y, or Z. Yeah. All right, Rod, we could just talk all day long, but if people want to attend this or they want to learn more about you, give them a handoff where they can learn more. Yeah. And Preston, I want to just sell you this. I know there's some days where it's like, oh man, and especially traveling. There's a lot. What you do is phenomenal, man.

53:49Thank you. And keep up the energy because it means a lot for the community, the Bitcoin community, probably the investing community. We still have so much work to do. We're still so early in Bitcoin that we need more. So thank you for what you do. Thank you, Rod. That means a lot. It really does. Yeah. So I'm excited to see you in Nashville, September 17th and 18th at the Custody and Treasury Summit. I would recommend just going to our meetup page, BitcoinPark.com or we'll go to BitcoinPark.com forward slash custody hyphen treasury. We'll probably put in the show notes as well. And then just go down and join the wait list.

54:23We're going through that. That one, unfortunately, is going to be sold out here sooner than later. But we have a great lineup like you, Parker Lewis, Adam Back. I'm just pulling off the top of my head. Sean Bill from Blockstream. Odell's going to be there. And the list goes on. It's just I'm humbled that you guys are all coming. So thank you. And then yeah, imagine if this is the first one. This is the summit of summits, September 19th and 20th. We rented out the Fisher Center for Performing Arts, which is walking distance from Bitcoin Park. It's this beautiful theater. We'll probably have like 300 to 500 people when it's all said and done.

54:58And this is like capital allocators, policymakers, entrepreneurs across the Bitcoin AI energy and freedom tech space. And I just want these to be like crazy natural collisions amongst these groups of people. It's going to be pretty gnarly in my opinion. So we'll see how it goes. I'm consciously optimistic. I'm bummed that I'm missing that. I'm excited about the system. Well, you have a family obligation and that is honestly the most important thing. So totally. I've got to describe this family obligation to you so you understand it. Please. Okay. I have a really good friend that I flew with in South Korea whenever, you know, I was a pilot over there.

55:33Wait, our mutual friend or no? No, not. Okay. But our mutual friend is also friend. He's going to be at our mutual friend is going to be at this wedding. No way. But anyway, and that's a whole nother story. But we flew together when I was in South Korea and the joke, you know, because that's where I met my wife. I was flying in South Korea. So she knows him really well. And the big joke amongst all of us was he is never getting married. He's never, ever, ever getting married. And that weekend, it's his wedding. and we're, this is, this is my buddy Joe and we're going to Joe's wedding. So it happened.

56:15It happened. Well, congratulations to your buddy, Joe. I will say it's similar to what we're building at the park. What we're building is to be durable for decades. And that's where we value the time, capital and reputation. And so not this year for you, especially next year, but for this year can be more thankful for Kathy, Dr. Laffer, Senator Haggerty, and a bunch of other folks, Senator Blackburn, a bunch of other folks, especially on the energy side. I'm really, really interested. Like we have such deep relationships in Bitcoin right now, Preston. I am very interested in developing this level of relationships on the energy side, but especially on the nuclear side.

56:54I feel like these guys have just been like... I think it's going there, Rod. I think it's going there. They even pushed away, pushed to the side for so long. And now they're feeling the love a little bit. And then us Bitcoiners can be like, hey, we got your back. It's the Dr. Evil meme, right? We're like, come on. Yeah, exactly. I love it. But that one, if you go to bitcoinpark.com forward slash imagine if, just hit the request invitation. I'm very proud to offer complimentary tickets for our Bitcoin Park members like yourself and others. And so that's like a small token of appreciation to increase the member benefit is just adding to it.

57:32Well, you guys heard it here first. We'll have links to all of that in the show notes. And I hope you guys enjoy Nashville if you do attend. So thank you. And until next time. Thank you for listening to TIP. Make sure to follow Bitcoin Fundamentals on your favorite podcast app and never miss out on episodes. To access our show notes, transcripts or courses, go to theinvestorspodcast.com. This show is for entertainment purposes only. Before making any decision, consult a professional. This show is copyrighted by The Investor's Podcast Network. Written permission must be granted before syndication or rebroadcasting.