Creating the Life You Love with Kathrin Zenkina

24:37Nervous system regulation is everything. I am constantly utilizing tools. I really love just breath work, breathing exercises. When you are doing something that scares the crap out of you, like most of the time you realize, like check in with your physiology, check in with your posture, check in with your breathing rate. Like what are you doing to cause those feelings, right? Mind causes feelings to cause actions to either do something or to stop doing something. And so it is perceiving whatever you're about to do as a threat, right? So you have to convince your mind that this is not a threat.

25:11This is safe. Well, when you're feeling safe, like how do you, like, what's your posture like? How are you breathing? What are you thinking about? What are you focusing on? And just like bringing yourself to that of like, okay, deep breaths, like what do I need to tell myself? Whatever it is I need to tell myself. And just like another tool I love to use is emotional freedom technique. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's like tapping on these energy meridian points on your face and your body that just sends a signal to your body that it's safe for you to calm down in the presence of this perceived threat.

25:45So I'll do that. I'll do a lot of visualization. Mental rehearsal is so powerful. Even if you're scared of something, just visualizing yourself going through it and not just going through it where you're experiencing doomsday. A lot of people, they use visualization to create the worst case scenario. They really tap into like, well, what if people laugh at me? What if this? What if I fall? What if I, whatever. And it's like, yeah, that's one way of using mental rehearsal and it will work for you, but not necessarily in your favor. Or you can use mental rehearsal to visualize the best possible outcome.

26:22And the mind cannot tell the difference between what's real and imagined because the mind, which when I say mind, I'm mostly talking about the subconscious mind. The subconscious mind lives in the present moment. It has no conceptualization of past. It doesn't know what future is. It only knows now. and it understands emotions, feelings, imagery, symbolism, metaphors, things like that. It doesn't understand logic. So if you just logically tell yourself, no, there's nothing to be afraid of, it's speaking a different language. Your conscious mind could be speaking English, but your subconscious mind could be speaking Russian.

26:58They just don't communicate very well with each other. One is very primitive. One is more modern, we would say. And so utilizing your subconscious mind as much as possible to show yourself like, no, this thing is safe. I'm going to be okay. I can do it before you do it. And of course, like you got to take action because that's the crystallization like that can go so, so far. Okay. I have to go back to the white wall. Like, okay. So part of the reason we want to have the white wall, we do, we do, your white wall era. Yes. Your white wall era. That's right. So part of the reason we wanted to have the podcast was because Lori and I had conversations about, I don't know, a year and some change ago.

27:36And we had said, I wish more people were talking about this. Like there is something about looking at success and an aspiration path and like frameworks on how to achieve that, which we love and we consume and we create. But then there's also this like undercurrent of like the stuff that we don't talk about. So was there ever a time during your white wall era that somebody had said something in a comment or a passing that betrayed the truth of your reality and made you feel doubtful of it. So someone's just like, you're talking about manifestation and you just got off your grandma's couch, whether or not they know that or not, was there ever an instance then or thereafter that revealed a chink in the armor?

28:16And then how did you come back from that? How did you work your way through that? Yeah. I kept telling myself to just like, yes, this is my current reality, but I have to ignore it. Like I have to keep in mind the reality that I'm creating. And according to quantum physics, If you can think of something, it already exists. There's a version of you in another timeline that's already living that life, right? And it's a matter of you stepping into that version of you that will cause the two timelines to collapse. When people talk about collapsing timelines, that's what they mean. When they talk about quantum leaping, that's what they mean.

28:49You're just matching the frequency of what you want and you can't help but attract it. The universe will align opportunities, people, circumstances, all these things in order to come to you and then all you have to do is say yes to it. So at the time, like, yeah, of course, I wasn't living my dream reality. Did I get negative comments? Of course I did. Like my friends, I barely had any friends at the time, but my family members especially were like, Catherine's lost her mind. Like poor her. You have a crazy one, everyone. I will never forget actually New Year's Eve before I moved to LA. This is when I was still pursuing Beachbody.

29:27and I was wearing headphones, sitting on my laptop in the living room, just doing my thing, making my Facebook posts like, hey, do you guys want to buy this product for me? Right? Like whatever I was doing or DMing people or messaging. And I wasn't listening to music. And we had family over for New Year's Eve, like Christmas, New Year's Eve, and they were all in the kitchen. And I wasn't listening again. Like I could hear them, but they didn't know I could hear them. and I heard them say things like, oh, Catherine, poor girl. She's so smart. She's just wasting her life. She's just throwing it away.

30:02I was just hearing horrible things. My mom, and my mom knows this. My mom and I are super close today, but she was like, I'm just really concerned that all you'll ever amount to be is a janitor. And I'm like, mom, who says that first of all, right? My mom was coming at me with her own trauma, but it was just nasty, nasty things. And it took everything in me to have a very strong mindset and just be like, the reality that I create is based off of my beliefs, not other people's beliefs. So unless we internalize other people's beliefs about ourselves, we're not going to manifest that. We're not going to create that.

30:39The only thing that creates our reality is our own belief systems. And also, like I said, unless you internalize their belief systems, like you're just not going to create it. And can we, it's going to come back to you, but can I braid two things? Because the Catherine, you were on that couch, listening to people were saying, and you were not, you were making the active decision to not internalize their belief about you. I, a couple of weeks ago, I was watching on Instagram, a post that you'd created and you were folding Orion's clothes and there was, you overheard somebody say something. Can you take us there and then talk about how you're not internalizing.

31:14And then specifically, I got the chills in my right arm to talk about how you would never allow or believe what somebody said about your son, about what they're saying about you? Yeah. Real quick, the thing that came back to me is when people communicate something to you, like their opinion, the thought, a comment on Instagram, they're actually telling you more about themselves than they are about you. People are only reflecting their own internal world at you, so you can never take it personally. In terms of, okay, so that week was a really weird, hard week for me. For whatever reason, things - Or you get the tea.

31:45I'm just like, y 'all buckle up. Yeah. Things that normally don't affect me were affecting me. I just had gone through a spiritual retreat. So I was kind of coming back into the world from that. And at the time, the war broke out in the world. So heavy, heavy stuff was going on. And I was just kind of like, whoa, what happened over the weekend? Let me just come back to this. And for whatever reason, I received the most amount of haters on the internet that I have in a really long time. People had all these opinions. People said, who am I to get a Birkin for my birthday when there's a war going on in the world?

32:21And who am I to care about such materialistic things? And I'm just like, oh my God, I'm just celebrating my birthday. I'm sorry, you guys. And normally, never affects me. And then it culminated with, it's my birthday. My baby just had a blowout. And I'm changing him with my husband while we're FaceTiming a family member. and it's actually two family members. So we have the phone on a tripod and we're like changing the baby. And then I like, they think that we're not listening, but I hear out of the, out of my ear. Um, oh my God, look how fat Catherine's gotten. And as someone who really struggled with postpartum, like weight loss and finally figured out the root of my, um, where that's coming from, but I really, really struggled.

33:04Like I really wanted to hide from the camera for the most part of the last year. If you look at my camera roll right now, there's barely any pictures of me. It's usually screenshots of things or content for the internet. And if there's photos of me, it's like a professional photo shoot. So it's something that I've been struggling with. And it finally hit me one day where I'm like, wait a second. What if I just manifest this? What if I just apply what I do in my business and all these other areas of my life? Why am I not applying it to this area of my life? And it just hit me and I've been on this journey since the summer.

33:36And so that really affected me because so much of eating disorders and things that I struggled with as a teenager came from my family constantly harping on my weight because I was also a dancer at the time. And my ballroom dance teacher, when I was like eight years old, would always say like, suck in your stomach, suck in your stomach, suck in your stomach. You need to lose weight. Stop eating so much. My partner would be like, Catherine, you'd be a better dancer if you were 20 pounds lighter. Right. So that was always like that programming was there. And so this really triggered me. And I was just so thrown off for like an hour.

34:11I just cried on my birthday and I decided to go on a walk with my son because anything to stretch them till bedtime, right? Like when they're getting close, we're going to go on a stroller and he loves stroller walks. So we're going on a stroller. And one of my tips that I give for like squashing a limiting belief is to put in third person perspective. Like imagine that someone, your best friend is coming to you for advice and they had that limiting belief, like what would you tell them? And for whatever reason, when it's someone else's limiting belief or someone else's, it's so easy for you to fix.

34:43You're like, this is obvious. The answer is right here. Like that's obviously a lie. And I remember looking at my son and it just hit me where I imagined that he was me or like he had a social media account and he was getting the same comments that I was getting all week. and instantly I looked at him and it just was like, well, of course that's a lie. Like it just immediately was like lie, right? It sounded so ridiculous. I'm like, obviously this is not the truth of my son, like regardless of what he looks like, regardless of what he does, these are not his truths. This is not in alignment with him being a child of God or child of the universe.

35:21It's like a total lie. And from that point, I was able to instantly reframe it and see it as like, oh, if the way that I love him so much as my child, like unconditional love, like whatever you believe in, creator, divine, divine intelligence, God, angels, universe, whatever, like you are loved in the exact same way. And so whatever you see as the truth for your children, like that's how God sees you. And obviously these things are lies and they're not the truth of who I am. And that just immediately allowed me to shift it and get it out. So, okay. So I know people and this is like, I just know my audience, but actually, people who are listening or watching co sign on this.

36:01Okay, well, I'm going to apply the same thing I did in business to my weight loss journey. I think that that's going to be an emotional chew toy for somebody to be like, but how what did you do? So how is this? We're definitely not a weight loss podcast. We are a business podcast, but there are principles that you've applied. So here is a new project. So Catherine's taking on the new project of getting Catherine to where Catherine wants to be, even though she's perfectly and wonderfully made. There's this decision I want to change. Yeah. Now, in the same way, in business, you're like, I want to take on a new project.

36:28Yeah. I want to do anything. What are the similarities between both of those and how are you approaching them? Because we want to know. Yeah. So something that I teach is like, look an area of your life that's going really, really well and use that as an example for an area of your life that maybe isn't going so well. And just notice how you're being in this area versus this area. Like when you're looking in the mirror and talking to yourself or as you're having like this internal self-dialogue when you are engaging in this area of life. Let's say you have a killer career, but again, really crappy, fitness, health goals, you're just not killing it in this area of life.

37:06So the way that I talk to myself when I'm running my business is completely different. Here, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like, oh man, I'm too big here, too wide there. I just wish I was this. I wish I was that. And I just can feel my energy. I'm really getting down on myself. And in this area of my life, I'm like, oh, Catherine, you're doing amazing. Right? So looking at self-talk, looking at how you're showing up, what kind of decisions are you making? Are you showing up in that area of life? Like it already is like the prayers have already been answered, like the Tony Robbins quote. If not, then take a look.

37:41You'll instantly see what needs to be changed here. And I realized that what needed to be changed here is that I wasn't eating as my highest self. I wasn't exercising like my highest self. When I thought about the version of me who is already fit and at her fitness goals, how is she maintaining those goals? And that's a huge shifter for me that was shared with me in one of my coaching sessions of instead of striving so much and achieving, when you're in the process of trying to achieve something, you are actually coming from a lack of energy because it's not there yet and you're constantly trying to chase it.

38:19And instead, if you're coming from maintenance energy, like I'm just maintaining, I'm already there. What am I doing to maintain it? All of a sudden it was like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And immediately my intuition was like, you should try this. There's this particular diet that works incredibly well for me so far. It's called animal-based. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's basically you're eating from four different food groups. you're eating all animal products, you're eating fruit, honey, and raw dairy. And I just decided to do like a 30-day experiment. Like what happens if I follow this for 30 days?

38:51Well, the first 17 days were really freaking hard because I'm like, where are my vegetables? Because you can't eat vegetables on it. Because the belief is that there's a lot of oxalates in vegetables and I forget exactly what they do, but they're not good for you. And I was like missing all this stuff. And then by day 30, I started to lose weight. And I was like, I feel so energized. I feel the best I've ever felt like, oh my God, this is amazing. I discovered in that moment, just being that version of me, like the universe will present little urges and nudges and callings and conversations and things will come up where it's like, oh, I want to check this out, where you'll see something on social media at the right time and click on it.

39:27It'll be this product that you buy that changes your life, right? So I discovered my Pilates studio and I've been loving Pilates so far. I discovered a functional medicine doctor that did testing that no other doctor has ever done. Like I've pursued, I know we talked about this. Yeah. Like I'm just getting all the things all the time. I need my IVs and vitamins and minerals. So I finally, for the first time ever, got a mycotoxin test, which is testing if you have mold in your body. Oh, your girl has black mold in her body. Okay. And parasites and Lyme bacteria and other Lyme co-infections and glyphosate, which is the chemical in Roundup that is in our soil and a lot of foods.

40:07Like if you don't eat gluten-free bread, like you're probably eating like phosphate and other things. And so all of a sudden I'm like, oh, this is the root cause. But all of these discoveries, and of course I have, you know, many actions, steps to take care of, but all of this was a manifestation of me being like, okay, I'm not being the version of myself who's already fit and is already maintaining her health. okay so can i put you on the spot oh i know that's what you're here i love the spot okay okay okay okay so um applying what katherine talked about i had it already okay so what was that area um my relationships always they i mean now especially because i've put so much work in them in my relationship with chris i have never ever really struggled with that we went through a small period but I think it's always been easy.

41:00I've always expected love. I've always felt really embraced in every possible way. I always feel very secure. I never feel jealous. I'm never worried ever. I could throw them in a room of supermodels and I would feel very confident. So I feel very confident in that. So the energy that's associated with your relationships, personal and romantic, killing it. And then in another area in your life, where do you think that that same energy is not being applied? I mean, right now, especially with launch of a new product, like it's really easy to get in my head and think it's going to be hard because everyone's telling me it's hard.

41:35So I'm like, so in this conversation with you. He is everyone is telling me it's hard. Everyone internalizing other people's belief systems and to say, who am I to think that this could be easy? And that's never the path. So I'm going to have to fight for those customers. I'm going to have to fight for a company. I'm going to like even different things in my head are like, am I going to lose my health to this? Because I've also heard like, if you want a successful company, you're probably going to have to sacrifice your health. And those are all the things. Yeah. And so when you hear this, Catherine, what is the boop, boop, boop?

42:08Yeah. I mean, it's everything that you just described, all those belief systems, they're not yours. And it's realizing that all realities are possible. So you can absolutely build, just like you have an amazing relationship, you can also have a crappy relationship, like just how you have amazing connections, networking, there's a lot of people who are struggling with that. And so looking at like, how am I showing up in those areas of my life? Like, what am I saying to myself? What investments am I making? What conversations am I having with people? What am I taking on other people's opinions about how relationships are supposed to be?

42:41Like a lot of people say that marriage is hard and marriage sucks and relationships are hard and people cheat and this and that. And it's like, you're blocking that out. I'm sure like, That's just not something that even comes into your head. And even if it does, obviously you're human, it could totally come in. But you're not internalizing that. You're not taking that on as an identity. I think a lot of people, they hear thoughts and they think that their thoughts are them or they think that their thoughts are identities. And they just internalize way too much. And it's de-identifying yourself from those thoughts and just being like, no, what is it that I want to create?

43:17What is it that I want to be intentional about? What is it that I want to focus on? If you're focusing on how hard something is going to be, or it's going to take a long time, then yeah, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Your mind will actually find evidence for it. It will create evidence for it because that's how the mind works. It's whatever it is that it believes, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. So instead, you just got to clear that out and just be like, okay, what do I want and how do I want it to feel? So in terms of you creating your new business, like what do you want and how do you want it to feel?

43:51That's like the first step to gain clarity on. it's so crazy when you were talking and thinking of that question the the thing that came to me that literally made me teary was in my relationship that could be also applied to this business is that I trust myself in that relationship I trust our journey like I actually trust the journey that no matter what even if we've had this conversation even if for some reason we are no longer together like I have to trust that that that is like what was meant for us now I'll fight like hell for that. But then the other thing is that I trust myself. I trust the process.

44:27I also add value. Like the reason I think we do so well and he does so well, like why we do so well together is because I'm just always seeking how to add value to him or what he needs. And if I apply that to business, it would be like, how do I add value to the community or the customer and just focus on that? And then also trust myself because when other people are saying all of these things, it's really easy to give yourself over to the experts and to totally let go of your journey that you were actually meant to go on. Catherine, can I ask a clarifying question from your perspective? There was two things I heard.

45:00And one of them was in the white wall era, it was to focus on as if it has already happened. And then in the journey path, it was the maintenance energy. So where Lori is, and I know it's probably nuanced, But does she come from I'm living as if that is my reality or I am living as if I'm maintaining something I've already achieved? And is there a slim sort of like... It's basically the same thing. Okay. Yeah. And something else that came to mind is, hold on, the mold thing makes me lose my train of thought so much more. But I have to tell you, this is the third time I've heard it in two weeks.

45:35And I told JD, I was like, but we built the house new. But he's like, it doesn't matter. Oh, get it tested. I know. I got my new house tested. It came back clear. I don't know where I got it. This is a new discovery from like last week, but everything is making sense all of a sudden where I'm like, oh, that's where my brain fog is coming from. That's why I forget basic words when I'm podcasting. Like I can't even think of door or window. When you have a reaction to mold, not everybody has it. It's like a certain thing within your body that reacts to it. MTHFR gene. That is it. There's two variants.

46:07Again, I'm no expert, so nobody quote me here. It's like a business podcast. We're talking about fitness, mold, tune in. I'm on every Why not? There's like two variants. There's one that is worse than the other. I have the less worse one. And then it's 70 % of the population is like normal and you can detox mold. So you can walk into a moldy house and walk out just fine and be okay. But 30 % of the population, like their body just holds it in. Like it just doesn't, the detox pathways aren't working properly. They're like compromised. And so I'm the lucky 30%. And then we can talk about like the energetic aspect.

46:43And that's something that I've been asking myself of like, huh, how did I attract myself into this situation? Like what within me energetically created this? And what is this trying to teach me? And like, what is mold a representation of what are parasites representation of? It's like me giving my power away to something. And I can see so many different examples over the last two years where I've given my power away to someone and stressed about life and like really gotten into trying to control, like trying to control my partner, trying to control my pregnancy, trying to control my birth, trying to control the postpartum stage, trying to control my business and my team.

47:18Like there's so many things that we can go into here where I'm also like, wow, that also needs to be healed in conjunction with the actual physical stuff because the physical is truly a manifestation of the emotional and energetic. That doesn't mean that you don't take care of yourself physically. You absolutely do because you're here in the 3D physical plane but it's supporting all the other aspects as well. Okay. So if we tap on the business front, there is somebody who hears this and hears like, this is woo. This is not for me. This is a little weird. Like there are people, a different sect who'd been, okay, so I've been thinking, like I'm living already as if.

47:54And then they go through their launch, their product drop, services, new offerings, and it doesn't happen the way that they had imagined. So they feel burned and they're like, this is. So let's go through the process of something that was in total alignment for you and then something that wasn't? How do you know you're in alignment in the middle of it to not end up on the backside of it? Wondering why not? So something I like to tap into is I like to think about the finished completion, having the goal. And I ask myself, does it feel good to have done? Meaning when I'm on the other side of it, is it still something that I really want?

48:25And if it is, I don't give up no matter what. So just because something doesn't work your way, I just see it as a redirection. I just see it as a way that it won't work. That's it. It's not the way. It's just a way that it won't work. So my first like three launches in my business, like nobody signed up. Like my first launch, nobody signed up. What were you selling? I was selling this program called Come the Happiest Version of You or something like that. And it was just like a four week course where I wanted to create like a group program. So I wanted to like coach people in a group setting. And I had one on one clients at the time.

49:00And I was like, okay, how do I expand from that? I think one person sign up the first launch, second launch, nobody signed up, third launch. I'm like, all right, this isn't working. And I just realized it's not me. It's the course. It's not me. It's just like, do I really want to do group coaching? Or maybe do I want to branch out into not feeling like I need to trade my time for money? Maybe I just want to do a course where people can sign up. I don't have to show up and then they just buy things for me. So my next course that I created was like that. And that's what ended up being successful.

49:30That's what really skyrocketed manifestation, babe, was January 2017. Because in all of 2016, my business made$9 ,000. In 2017, it made$600K. It was a massive quantum leap. And it's just knowing that... Here's the thing. A lot of people, they get sucked into timelines. And timeline, it's a toxic, toxic thing. Because what is time anyway? Time is a human-created construct. It literally doesn't exist. If you didn't have a watch or a clock or you didn't see the sun set and rise, you wouldn't know what time it is. And so a lot of people, they say, I need to manifest XYZ thing by this date. And that can work for some people.

50:11The people that work really great under pressure, I feel like they have success with that methodology. I don't. You give me pressure, I will not manifest the thing. So I like to extend the timeline and look at it as over the course of my lifetime, can I make this happen? And of course, the answer is yes. For the most part, people are like, yeah, over the course of my entire lifetime, can I think of ways that I could create a six-figure business or seven-figure business or whatever? And it seems so much more possible when you just branch it out and extend it. Or the other hack that I like to do is I call it the ladder of believability.

50:46So I ask myself, yes, eventually I'll get to this goal, but what is a smaller goal that I can actually energetically get behind right now in this moment? It's a stretch for me. I I definitely encourage people to stretch themselves. It's a stretch, but it's not so far-fetched where I'm going from making$10 ,000 in a year to like a million dollars. Yes, that's possible. But if you don't fully believe in it, believe that it's possible for you because belief is what drives behavior. You're not going to actually behave like it's possible, then it's not going to work. So you want to either decrease the goal temporarily until you go up these ladder rungs, these stepping stones, or extend the timeline and just be like, over the next 10 years, over the next 20 years.

51:29And what that ends up doing is it ends up getting your energy behind the goal to where you're like, okay, this launch didn't work out. That's fine. This thing didn't work out. That's fine. But I still have my entire lifetime to get to this goal. And then once you release the pressure, it's like you can breathe, you feel free, you feel light, you feel energized. and pressure does something else to the subconscious mind, which equates pressure. It equates needing something as life or death. So it actually puts you into survival mode where you go into fight or flight. And what happens in fight or flight is blood leaves the brain and goes into your legs.

52:08So you can run super fast or it goes into your jaw. So you can bite someone really hard. Anger into the jaw, fear into the legs. And like, yeah, that's useful if you're running from a predator or you're trying to bite someone, like actually like fight. Good to know. But it's not useful to have blood leave your brain when you are doing anything else, right? Anything else, right? When you're in a launch, you need some blood in your brain. And so it will cut you off from intuition. It'll cut you off from logic. It'll cut you off from strategy, from focus, from joy, from humor, all these things that from finding solutions and possibilities and all those things are a lot more useful than running really fast in the middle of a launch, right?

52:51So when you shift energy from being a need, like I have to have this happen, like you just, you want to control everything and you transition it into a bonus energy where it's like, I want this, but I don't need it. I don't need it to affect how I see myself. I don't need it to be considered a great entrepreneur. I don't need it to feel abundant. Like a lot of people think they need to have lots of money to feel abundant. No, there's money all around you. Just like sit in your house and look around. Like your phone is a representation of money. This painting is a representation of money. Like your car is a representation of money.

53:25There's money and abundance all around you. It's all how you think about it. It's all how you frame it. Right. And so in those periods, like you really want access, you want full blood in your brain. And so you want to create bonus energy and bonus energy is, like I said, like I want it, but I don't need to have it. And that changes everything. That's where manifestation feels like it's instant because you already feel like you have it. Because for as far as you know, the reason why you want things is because of the way that you think it's going to make you feel. So if you can conjure up those feelings already without actually having that thing, it's basically like you already have that thing.

54:04And when you are in the energy of already having that thing, the next step, the next obvious step energetically is it's going to be brought into your reality. What happens if you I know I'm like, hold on, hold on. Okay. So I can think of times when it's like, yes, I practice that over and over. Like, okay, I don't need it. I don't need it. Except your back is up against the wall and stuff is getting tight. And like a desperate energy where you are, your life is reflecting, you are desperate. You need this. Yes. It's all perception of mind, right? Like who is creating the timeline in the first place?

54:38Who's creating this idea that you need this or else something bad's going to happen? It's all your perception. As far as we're concerned, the only thing that matters is that you're breathing, you're alive, you have basic needs. Anything beyond that is bonus energy. And you're the one who is looking at it from an angle and a perspective and a belief system that's causing that pressure to begin with. So we are basically in charge of the stresses, in charge of the anxieties, in charge of all this stuff that's affecting us. Okay. So when you look at the juxtaposition between the launches that didn't work and your biggest launch, what are some of the key lessons in your biggest launch that allowed you to hit that revenue number?

55:23Who were you? Yeah. I was a much more relaxed version of myself. that's for one. I know that in the launches that didn't work out, I was very like, I want to say like superstitious and ritualistic and like thinking in ways of like, oh my God, yesterday, I drank this much water and we had this many signups. So I have to drink that much water today. Right. Or like, oh my God, this, my husband just picked a fight with me. And so therefore, it's not going to be as good of a day. Right. Like you just, I just, I just got so like into fear and into like something bad is going to happen. And the launch is that successful.

55:59Like I lived the most normal days. If I treated my launches, especially the enrollment days, like any other day in my business, they would be the most successful because at that point, it's like, it's already done. At that point, it's already done. It's just a matter of mechanics. Like the energetics are there. It's a matter of mechanics. And if it doesn't happen this launch, Again, it's giving myself permission to learn from this experience. And who's in charge of these launches in the first place? Like who created the concept of a launch? I did. I'm the one who set the dates. If this one doesn't work out, I can choose the next month, choose new dates and reopen cart and try it all over again.

56:38Like we just create all of these perceptions of pressure that aren't even real in the first place. and they are struggling with putting ideas and believing the ideas is facts. So as we close, what is the one thing that you want to tell the person who is internalizing that as fact and it's in fact fear? What is the one thing that you want to tell that person right now? Yeah, so it's really interesting. Like the concept of truth, there's people who get so hung up on like facts and truth and evidence. And the thing is, is like, if you look at any field, Like, for example, the weight loss industry is a great example.

57:16You will find evidence, scientific papers that prove coffee is horrible for you. And at the same vein, you're going to find evidence and proof that coffee is great for you. Meat is bad. Meat is good. This is bad. This is good. And you'll actually find the evidence for it. And you have these experts that are constantly fighting each other, arguing with each other. There's wars that are fought over what is the truth. Like, what is the religious truth, right? Like, what is actually fact? And I just like gave up on truth and facts a long time ago because what I've realized is that in the end, it's like, what is true for you?

57:51And also what is it's more useful to think like, what is useful for me? Like, is this thought actually useful? Is this belief actually useful? Is this serving me or not serving me? Because there's no such thing as right or wrong. Like we create the idea of what is right or wrong. We create the idea of what is right or wrong for us, for other people, for the world. but ultimately that doesn't exist. And so I just asked myself like, okay, all of this aside, all of society's conditioning aside, like is this belief, is this thought, is this action useful for me? Is it gonna get me to where I wanna go or is it not?

58:24And if it's not, delete it. And if it is, follow it. I couldn't think of a better way for somebody who's listening right now to be like, first thing I'm gonna do, first course of action beyond anything else is to ask myself, is this thought useful? And if it's not, delete it. Can I share a quick story? Please. Just based off of this. So I was in an Uber and I typically like, if I'm out in public and people are like, what do you do for a living? Like, don't even ask me. Like, I hate talking about it because I don't know how to describe it. First of all, to like a normal person who just, you know, is doing normal things or more societally normal things.

58:55And also when people are like, tell me about manifestation. I've never heard of it. I'm like, oh God. Like, cause it's just, I really vibe more with people who have an idea of it and they want to hone it in and they want to go to the advanced level. I'm not the person to come to, to share all the beginning. I'm not the gateway into it. Just make up a job. So I was in this Uber and he's like, so what do you do? And I go, here we go. And so we had this conversation and you can just tell that he was like not vibing with anything I was saying. And he was like, at the end, he's taking us to the airport.

59:25Actually, it's like four in the morning, me and Brennan, my husband. And he was like, oh, so you basically just lie to yourself to or like that's what manifestation is. And I went, you know what? You're right. I do lie to myself. Just like you lie to yourself that life isn't working out for you. I lie to myself that life is working out for me. And so it doesn't matter in the end. We're all just lying to ourselves. We're all just making things up. And the universe is responding to whatever it is that we make up for ourselves. And for whatever reason, I was just like, wow, that's never come out of my mouth before.

1:00:00It was a little aggressive, but okay. We got out of the car. We went on the plane. And after we landed, I go on my Instagram DMs and I have a DM from the Uber driver. And he said, what you said to me literally changed my life. I bought your book. I'm listening to your podcast. He's like, you're right. Like if I'm going to lie to myself, it might as well be a really good lie that works for me and gets me what I want. We're going to lie to ourselves, ladies and gentlemen. May it be a good lie. Make it a good lie that changes our lives. Catherine, where do people go to go deeper with you, to learn more, to be the Uber driver, the person who's a skeptic?

1:00:36Let's turn them into evangelists. drivers. You can find me on Instagram at manifestation, baby. You can also find me on manifestation, babe.com. And then my podcast is manifestation, babe podcast. So Lori, thank you so much for generously bringing Catherine and us back together. Full circle moment. Thank you. One more thing. Sorry. Can I just share when we met in Lewis? Cause you brought up Lewis houses. When we met, I looked at you too. And I was like, there's no way in hell these two women are ever going to talk to me. Like they're just, they're just way too cool, way too beautiful, like way too popular.

1:01:11I had this whole insecurity moment the whole year in the mastermind. And I remember like you and I were in James's mastermind the year after, and then you and I had dinner and we talked about this and it was just like the funniest thing. It's so crazy to bring that up because before you came with Lori and I had our own podcast earlier this morning and I said, Oh, she walked in. I was super intimidated. I was like, not going to be that girl's friend. And then she didn't say the same thing. And so you come back and hear me say like can we stop actually can we start lying to ourselves can we walk into room and lie to ourselves and say i but you know what that that girl's gonna be my friend she doesn't even know it yet yeah i'm like let's lie to ourselves that nobody is better or above may that be the lie we choose that is such an empowering note to edit on i mean to edit on no thank you katherine we love we appreciate you i mean continue to bring the most cutest babies in the world.

1:02:01I think every parent thinks that their baby is the best looking and none of us are wrong. But Orion, he's got that little thing. He's got that baby model look. I'm like, come on, kid. How can you be this cute? Anyway, thank you for being on the show, Lori. Thank you for making this introduction. Thank you guys both. Thank you for listening and watching the Jasmine Star Show. Like always, tag Manifestation Babe at Lori Harder at Jasmine Star. We want to know where you're listening and the positive lies you're telling yourself. Many thanks. Appreciate you. Have a good day. Bye.