Why High Achievers Burn Out (and How to Fix It)

23:24The one question was, if you could do something for the next six months and not be paid for it, what would that thing be? You wouldn't be paid for it, no accolades, no affirmations, no, you might not even get that dopamine hit. What would you continue to do? And then the second question he asked was, it's an opposite of what we all know as, if you could do anything and succeed, what would you do? He flipped it. He said, if the next thing you did or if you could do anything, knowing that it was going to fail. Oh, stop, Seth. But you'd still do it. Stop, Seth. This hurts. You'd still do it. What would that thing be?

24:07That's not the dreaming. That's not the North Star exercise. That's really doing some of that introspective work. Like I, you know, you have to sit in what has got me to where I am right now. So that now it opens up the possibilities. Once I understand, am I a fixer? was I the person to just be to carry everyone's emotion so now I'm the people pleaser making sure that everyone's okay are you okay Jasmine you know is everyone else okay no but to flip it as a leader I see other I've seen other leaders who take the opposite where if the role that they played in their family or how they were raised was the person who was always taken care of and didn't have to step into responsibility as they lead they said the team's going to take care of it the team's but then it lacks like the the vision and that true leadership of like you're at the top right you can't abdicate there's no there's no balance you have to have balance and that's why it's important to start with that introspective work like under how am I getting my needs met are they serving me and if they are not if you're willing to do that work because I've met leaders who are not willing to do the work they are not willing to sit and say that you know well I've always done it this way and I do think that there could be another way, some of them flat out will say, yeah, I don't think I have any problems.

25:18I think that I'm good. I think that, you know, we shouldn't be talking about those things. I'm just trying to pursue this next thing, not realizing once I do a 180 assessment and talk to their direct reports, talk to their colleagues, talk to, you know, even potential partners. Yes. And it's always a theme, right? It's always a theme that's running through that, you know, maybe they could be a bit kinder, you know, but if that person feels that, well, kindness won't get me to where I'm going, then you're absolutely right. It won't get you to, you know, where you've decided that you want to go.

25:48So doing the introspective work and once you do the introspective work, you find out how you have been getting those needs met. You then can now start to envision, actually, what opportunities open up for me if I were just to play in this space? So like you said, Jasmine, I think how you described it, and I know we're talking to the audience, but you said, I just, this vision of an octopus, right? When you were willing to do the work, you started getting these ideas and these thoughts, Like creatively, these things started opening up. You're like, this is a holding company. This is like, what is this thing?

26:19And then that allowed you to have a very fruitful conversation with Gary. And then now, as you just shared, I don't know if it's going to be 65. I don't know if it's going to be two years or even six months from now. But because you have had the epiphany, because you have had the breakthrough, you can now start to envision. And now all of your decisions are going to be towards this thing that we don't even know yet. But it's now starting to order your steps. And that's the important piece. So can I repeat back what I heard so somebody at home can start doing this work? And then obviously you're going to follow Dr.

26:52Natasha. You are going to go to drnatashaj.com. We're going to get to all of that. But I don't want this show to be like, well, that's for some people. This show is for everybody who's willing to do the work. And I want to share what I had invested a lot of money in that otherwise some people might not have right now. But some of the questions that we might be able to ask is, well, identify where you are and then identify if you can, where do you want to go? And then you want to ask yourself, are my needs being met? And then but a lot of times, would you say that we have to ask, well, what do I need right now?

27:24Yes. One thing that you can do is you have trusted colleagues. Right. You have family members that, you know, if they say they can say something to you directly without it causing a fight at the family reunion. You have really good friends that will just tell you like it is. you have, you know, past mentors, you have a network of people that you can reach out to and let them know like, hey, I'm doing a little bit of internal work. What are some of the things that you noticed about me? Things that you absolutely love, one or two, you know, you don't want to inundate them. One or two things that you absolutely love, but one or two things, you know, if I were really to get over this hump, it would just, I would just explode.

28:01What would you say those things are? And you phrase that up however you'd like to, but you can even start there just to start getting your mind going. Now, I guarantee that if you really sat with it, you know, and look back over the past few decades of your life, you know, like the things that you constantly heard from different people and maybe we've guarded ourself against it, right? So Jasmine, like for you, I'm not sure, you know, what your team would say, but you know, like you don't like many details, right? So when someone is bringing you a lot of details, I imagine that some of your team or maybe partners you worked with before, you're like, yeah, like when I was just trying to explain to Jasmine, like, here are the logistics and here's what we have to, you know, she just seems, you know, she kind of just brushes it off.

28:44I'm sure many, yeah, Jasmine, I felt you just brushed me off and we really didn't have that conversation. So it may even be things if you really sat with it that you've noticed there are different themes that have happened throughout your life and they've shown up in your teenage years and your 20s and your 30s and your 40s and so on and so forth, that that might even be a starting point as well. But I would say colleagues, tap into your network, your team, your colleagues, mentors, whoever throughout your life, family, friends. But then also just be willing and open to say, if I could work on one thing today and that would really change the direction of my business, of my relationships, what would that one thing be if I was being honest?

29:26Mm-hmm. So this came up because I invested for you to work with my mastermind. Yes. So I wanted these women in my mastermind. It was, again, it was a surprise and delight that away was a surprise and died with me. And I'm sure many of them felt the same way. Like Jasmine, you're giving us something more to do right now. We're so busy. So the mastermind is for seven figure female founders. These are women who are highly successful. These are women from the outside to have it all together. And so I asked them to take the print assessment like I did and then have a meeting with you. And so I, and I know that you would never share anybody else's, but what I want to do is I want to pull out patterns that you saw with them and how you might say, okay, I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess that people are watching might be going through this, this, or this.

30:12And then what were some of the things that we might be able to take action on? Yes. So one of the things that I noticed about your group is that out of all of these amazing women when I would meet with them and I'm like, you know what, let me do just a full like picture of them. I noticed that this group leaned heavily strong and self-reliant. Strong and self-reliant. The majority of this group, I would say 90 % were strong and self-reliant. That was their number one need that needed to get met. Like if I don't feel strong and if I don't feel self-reliant, I am not in a good place. Yes. And the one piece that I want to call out, remember we talked about how these are needs that you need to get met internally.

30:52What we have realized and what I'm asking the audience to do, I'm asking you to do the work that is going to come externally so you can get to the internal. But when we meet, it is, okay, you've been getting this need met externally, but now it's time to get this need met internally. So your group, you know, 90 % strong and self-reliant, that's how they got to where they are, strong and self-reliant. You know, grit, grind, you know, doing what needed to be done, not waiting for someone to give them permission, not waiting for someone to pull up a chair. So these things, I don't want to say that these things are not serving.

31:25Everything that we have gone through, everything that you have gone through up until this point, you've needed to go through to get you here. You wouldn't have it any other way. It got you to where you are right now. But what we're saying is, and what we talk through is, and with these amazing women, is that, okay, you did it. And as cliche as it may sound, this is not going to get you to where you are going next. Yes. you had another question. No, I'm just repeating it like I'm sitting here in church. You're taking us to church and I'm just repeating what you said. What got us here won't get us there.

31:58Right. And so for those of us who, and I identified as that as well. Yes. And forgive me, my allergies, girl, they are on fire. I mean, they are just going. So it sounds like I've been battling crying this whole episode. Well, I mean, maybe I have at some point, but it's just, it's all the things. So I identified as strong and self-reliant. Yes. And it's not lost on me that many of the people that I attracted in a group were strong and self-reliant, which, okay, And so there comes a point where strong and self-reliant won't get us to where we want to go. And so maybe there's people who are listening right now and they do identify that doing it on my own, only depending on myself, won't get me to where I want to go.

32:33What do we do now? Well, you have to realize, number one, it's just self-reflection. I've reached my peak. If I'm starting to ask questions around, you know, why can't I continue to grow? Why can't I, you know, get that opportunity? Why do these things keep falling through? Maybe it's because how you've always been showing up for the past decade or so, which is how you've needed to show up. You're going to have to show up differently. And it does not start with, let me get a new partner. Let me get a new team member. It starts with, no, let me just be different internally. So this group, Strong and Self-Reliant, getting that need met externally, right?

33:10You getting that need met externally. internally looks like for someone that's strong and self-reliant, how do I now define what strong and self-reliant means? Before it was doing all the things I needed to do, making all the connections I needed to make on my own. But now what does that look like? It might look like. That's right. I'm feeling a little bit overwhelmed and at my wit's end with the business as it is right now. Strong and self-reliant today looks like for me saying no. No to that meeting. No to this new connection. Can I say what it meant for me was asking for help. I could not ask for help.

33:50I mean, I could be, and it was just like the mantra was, you've always done it on your own. You will always push on your own. And strong to me used to mean doing it on your own. And after doing and uncovering the work, strong to me doesn't mean pulling back. It means elevating people with on the team to say, you take it and run. Right. Because me at a half state could never compete with you at a full state or even you at your worst state will be better than me on mine because I'm not in that place. I didn't know how to put words to that. It was always, I'm going to do it. Put everything on my back.

34:24I don't care. I'll drag you across with me. That was not serving me. That was keeping me stuck. Well, and to the point that we were talking about earlier, because that was another if then, right? Well, if I do this, then maybe they'll perform in the way that I need them to perform. Right. Which is why, you know, just going back. Oh my God, that was a loop back. Oh my God. Introspective work, asking the questions that need to be asked, understanding how I'm going to get my needs met. Then we're now ready. Strong and self-reliant women getting that need met. Okay, it's now time for me to get this need met internally.

34:59This does not mean I'm going to neglect everyone else. It just means if I don't do the work I need to do for self, I won't even be able to show up for them. if I don't to your point ask for help what am I teaching them that's right in the company they're gonna have to go and figure it out on their own well maybe her need is maybe her need is just succeed and achieve well you're now communicating to her go be strong and self-reliant if you don't have it figured out don't come over here to me now that impacts the team now that you know people feel misguided a little bit and now do they want to stay do they want to go no no no but I need you that's not what I meant but it's what we communicated absolutely because we didn't get that need met for ourself internally.

35:39Oh, okay. So what we've done is we've used myself as an example for the work that we've done. We talked a little bit about who you are and what you've done and then the questions that people can ask for themselves. And then we've moved on over to taking a sampling of 27 figure entrepreneurs who are doing really incredible things and saying, these are the patterns, but you work with large organizations and you are, So talk to us for, I would say the vast majority of the listeners are their own entrepreneurs. But how does this exist in bigger organizations so that if we ever have the desire to do that, or if we take our skill set and we enter in the workforce in a C-suite capacity, what are the patterns that you're seeing there?

36:18Are they different or are they same as leader entrepreneurs? Yeah, I would say it's diverse across many different teams. I think you've just done a really good job, as you shared, of attracting those who, you know, who are a part of this group. But when you get to these large corporations and these businesses, it's still the same. These are still humans that are working, you know, in the space. And when you have some of these, you know, one of the things that I noticed about executives is that they'd rather have their team go through the coaching and through and get the print than their own self.

36:49And a lot of times they are the ones, to your point, they are the ones that may be strong or self-reliant. And sometimes, interestingly, there's another need that's assessed through the print assessment. And it's they want to find meaning in life. They want to find meaning in life. But because they have been going, you've learned how to move in corporate. You've learned how to navigate, how to behave, how to talk, how to act. You've learned all these mannerisms, those identities that we talked about early on. Someone early on in their career told them, you know, this is what you have to do if you want to get ahead.

37:21Well, if I want to get ahead, I better do this thing. And then what keeps happening, they keep getting affirmed with the promotions, with the salaries and all the different things. But when you look at their needs underneath, if they would allow it, it's to just find meaning in life. They came into the corporate world thinking that they could change something at a systemic scale. And they could, but because they chose to take on those identities and move and navigate in that way, now they have a team. Well, my team needs to help. It's not me. It's them that need the work. And then what we find on the team is that they're very diverse in the needs that need to get met.

37:55But because this person has learned to suppress the need of finding meaning in life, they're looking to the team to will just perform, just achieve, just, you know, do these things. We don't have time to focus on what the needs are. And, you know, the needs is only the needs of the company, not realizing that the company is the people and that who we're serving are also people. So those are some of the things that even in corporate is a lot of it is is the same work. I would say it's a bigger hurdle to go over because the leaders that are making the decisions oftentimes don't want to just kind of take a step back to really look at what is it that they need because they've had to be so selfless, you know, not realizing how much has impacted them or their teams.

38:35So for somebody who's watching or listening and it's resonating, what would you tell them? Like, because many of us, like myself, I didn't know that I needed to do this work. It wasn't even on my radar and it was thrusted upon me. I was voluntold. I voluntold because part of the program, we weren't mandated, but we were kind of sort of, right? And so I was voluntold into doing this with you and I didn't know I needed. I didn't know how stuck I was. So somebody who's listening and being like, I'm just not really like that. That's Jasmine, but not me. What do you say to the person who's not quite sure that this is the thing that they even need to do the work they need to do?

39:13I would say that all of us have work to do, even myself. I have colleagues who are still clinical psychologists, counseling psychologists, and that work. There's a lot of burnout there, which is why many of them switch to consulting as consulting psychologists or they do the work that I'm doing as an executive coach. Even therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists know that they need a therapist, psychologist, coach. You are being hammered on a daily basis with different struggles, different challenges. People are coming to you with their own struggles and challenges. And you as a founder, an owner, an innovator have learned to sort of, you know, cover those things, cover those potholes and just go with the blow.

39:59You've learned how to just go with the flow. Well, go with the flow, too. Somebody comes in and clocks you and you're like, I'm going to move with it because I've got to stay up. You have to stay up. You have to stay up. Yes, I actually thought it was real good. Don't correct it. Go with the flow. Dang, if that's not, shoot. But you've learned how to just take it as it comes. At some point, you are not going to be able to continue in that way. That's right. I've had, and I'll give you a perfect example. I had an amazing founder, an amazing founder. And even as I'm talking to you about it, I'm feeling it just right here in my stomach, in my gut.

40:37And we were talking and we would get on the call and they would say like, I've accomplished this and I've done these things. Now in executive coaching, the goal is for you to accomplish your goals and achieve. That's why we exist. But at some point I began to get concerned because they had so many balls in the air. that I'm like, okay, five of these are going to drop and either you're going to catch those and the other 10 are going to fall or those 10 are going to drop and you're going to... So this can't keep going on. And so just for privilege or privacy, I'll keep the conversation sacred. But it ended up, he finally got the breakthrough and he said, you know, I went to the doctor about eight, nine months ago.

41:21Now, mind you, this is a seven, eight figure business owner who's done their entire life has been entrepreneurship. Okay. I went to the doctor and I went because my chest was hurting and I felt that I was having a heart attack. There could have been nothing to convince him otherwise that this was not a heart attack. So he goes, they run every single test possible. And I'm so pulled into the story. I said, well, did they do a brain scan? Did they look at? And so they ran every single test possible. The doctor comes back into me. I was there for maybe one or two days. The doctor comes back into me and says, so the good news is there's nothing wrong with you.

42:02We can't find anything. But the thing I want you to think about is we have strong reason to believe that you had an anxiety attack. We have strong reason to believe that you may have panicked at some point. Now, of course, a medical doctor is probably going to prescribe and then walk out of the office. but had I been there, I could have given context to, that makes sense. At some point, you're going to take all these blows. You're going to take all this energy. You're going to feel like you have to carry the world and you're going to feel like you have to carry this business and you do but at some point, you need to take a break, a step back, even if it's for a day and just say, okay, what need do I need to get met and how am I going to go about that in service of myself first then my team, then my customers, then my business.

42:53If you don't do the work, I guarantee you at some point, you can't keep running. We don't run off of fumes. You cannot do that. I want to tap here for a second because one of the things that I experienced that was different in the way that you had coached is you had boldly and proudly declared you are an executive coach. and what I have seen. And so I'm just a little bit, sometimes I'm skeptical, right? I'm a marketer. I know how to market, right? So you could say your one thing, but a marketer knows a marketer. And I'm like, well, what's really here? And so one of the things I thought was really intriguing was your executive coaching was deeply rooted in a wild sense of marketing and brand.

43:33You went to the school of marketing, right? And can you share it, what that journey is? Just so that people are hearing this and being like, this is not the woo-woo. I'm going to route you up and I don't actually understand what it is you do. It's like, no, no, no. I've been in the mess, y 'all. I've been in the mess. So my background, my expertise, I'm an industrial organizational psychologist. And that's essentially... That's fancy. That's just fancy. You're so smart. I like it. But unlike counseling or clinical psychologists that are working with people who have mental health issues, I see the organization as the company has issues, challenges.

44:06And so I come in and help the company with those issues or challenges. The team is what I see as a brain, the team working together, all the synapses and all the things firing off. And if there's a kink in the team, in the brain, then I'm coming in and identifying using assessment. So very much like the print, but using organizational assessments, business assessments, team assessments. Like if anyone's familiar with Pat Lencioni's, you can pick up the book, Five Dysfunctions of a Team. If you are looking to assess your team, but I assess the team to find out, okay, what are the kinks? What are the things that the team might be doing that is going to prevent us to getting to where it is that we're trying to go?

44:42So accomplishing that North Star. I learned very early on, probably around 2018, 19, that I really wanted to get my expertise out there. Or just every time I would go and talk to someone, they never knew what an industrial organizational psychologist was. And so I was like, OK, we need to learn how to market then. And so I went to James Orsini. I saw him posting a lot of content at the time. And he's an accounting guy working in a marketing firm for Gary Vaynerchuk. I didn't even know who Gary Vaynerchuk was at the time. But I was intrigued by this guy who does not come from a marketing background, but is just really helping businesses to grow.

45:18Now, at the time, James Rossini is a COO. He's the he was the president of the Sasha Group. OK, so that's what made me interested because the Sasha Group started to work with small businesses and entrepreneurs because, you know, Gary's the company's named after his dad. He's very passionate about. Okay, hold on. So there is VaynerX or VaynerMedia. Right. And then Sasha is underneath one of those companies. One of the baby companies. Sasha is a baby company and Sasha was named after Gary's dad. Right. So I want to make sure that we're understanding where this is. There is Dr. Natasha who comes across James Orsini.

45:51Right. Who is sitting as the president of one of the baby companies and she doesn't even know who's the big parent company. I had no clue who Gary Vaynerchuk was. Okay. Okay. Well, one day he was having a conversation with Gary and they were just talking about how James, his whole goal was to come in. And he's like, I'm not coming in here to be number one or take over. I came in and I'm okay with, you know, being the number two and helping him. So he talked about his journey to your point from COO. Then he became the president because Gary's like, you know, I still want to give back to the small businesses, the entrepreneurs.

46:20I want to help them market themselves. So then you have the Sasha group that's born. And I reached out to James and just said, hey, you know, I need to learn marketing. I need you to teach me everything you know about marketing and business. And he said, I'll give you a 15 minute conversation. So in that day, I learned how to have a 15 minute conversation. And about 30 days later, he said, hey, you know, we have Maribel Lara, who's the senior vice president at the time. She's building out a consulting department. I know that you do consulting. You do. Would you mind coming in? I said, absolutely.

46:51Let's do it. And so for four and a half years, I worked at Sasha in the consulting department, helping to build that up. But working with small businesses, entrepreneurs, founders, using all of the same skills, I start every single engagement with a diagnosis. I don't want to come in here and do any guessing game. Right. I want to come in and I want to truly understand what is it that I'm working with because all of us have a collective sort of conscience. Everything is a conscience. The business is a conscience. What do psychologists study? What do they look at? What do they diagnose? They diagnose the conscience.

47:23And so taking that skill set of IO psychology into consulting, but inside of Gary Vaynerchuk's marketing agency was really cool because I was then able to pick up not only am I speaking to, you know, the small businesses and how do you grow? Why aren't you growing? What is a team going on? We have to activate the team. We have to fix the team. We have to fix you. That's leading the team. But also now that we have our internal together, we have our team together, we have you as a leader together. Now we can show up to our customers through marketing. That's right. In a way that comes off not as just authentic, but consistent.

47:57Okay. So that is why for some reason, the executive coaching that I got from you throughout this program made a difference. Because I said, you just get the whole thing. Right. You don't get a piece of it. You get the whole thing as how we needed to show up as a holding company. We needed to go below. We needed to work our way up. We needed to find all of that together. So I had to do the work as a leader on my own. And then what I had to do is I had to find a way to get the support. Luckily, our paths intersected. Luckily, even more luckily, I was able to introduce you to the amazing women in my mastermind.

48:36And luckily, I'm just going to put you here on my show. the next cohort will be able to experience Dr. Natasha as well. But for those of you who are at home and listening and watching and would like to know more, Dr. Natasha, look at this queen, look at this queen. So I have been trying to get her on my show since October of last year. Okay. I waited. I waited. This is a long time coming. I waited to get her on my show. And I said, Dr. Natasha, you're going to come on my show, but there's people who are going to want to go deep and maybe they're not quite sure they want to go deep with you. And so you, what did you create on your website?

49:10Dr. Dr. Natasha J.com. Tell them what they get there for free when they go. Yes. So one, I love, you know, that we've talked to the audience because many of you, to your point, that's a fair question. Maybe they're not ready to do executive coaching or go, you know, deep in that way. So I created a five-day challenge. It's a leadership challenge. It's 100 % free. You can go and you can access it on my website. I went to it. I did it. Thank you. I'm a user and approver. User and approver. But just go subscribe, sign up. You're going to get drops each and every day. And it's going to be a different leadership challenge.

49:45And if you are willing, if you're willing to do the work of those five days, you're going to do the unseen work to have that visible impact that you are looking for. You're going to talk about emotional resilience, mastering that. You're going to talk about, OK, how do I do some really good and strategic decision making? You're going to talk about, you know, just all the things that we've talked about today. I've packaged it up. And this five day challenge that you can get over email. And the best thing about the challenge, if I might, if I may, is that there's not like 55 minute videos. These are very short videos, but here's the thing.

50:13Very short videos. She asks you questions that require you to do work. They just do. They just do. So if you sign up, I want you to commit some time every day to do this challenge because I did the work and it was such a great refresher. And I can't believe that you're giving all of that just generously away because this is the work that matters. You know, the work that matters is right. because many of us are suffering in silence. And that's my own journey. We are suffering in silence. And if we high achieving, high performing people go get our women, that's good. There's nothing wrong with that.

50:48But we also want to be around to experience the fruit of what it is that we're constantly putting in every day into our businesses, into our families, into our friendships. And so this is just an opportunity, a very low barrier to entry opportunity for you to at least just start the conversation with yourself. And then make a decision. If you do want to go, it doesn't necessarily have to be me. It could be anyone, but find someone that is going to push you to do the work for self first so that you can show up with that visible impact for everyone else. That is why I just love this woman. That's why I waited months and months and months and months to get her on the show.

51:25Look, I had to come in person. There was no way we could do this. You did, but I didn't even give you the option. I'm like, I need to get you to the West Coast, The best coach to do this. And so I just want to give a brief recap of some of the notes that I had written. Because what I have been keenly aware to throughout this process is there is a difference between self-awareness and being self-intelligent. And that was the biggest thing that I was missing in my cache of tools in 2024. And I had to ask myself, once I realized that there was a difference, what am I willing to do differently? I can't be the same person and expect a different result.

51:56So I had to ask myself, what am I willing to do differently? But then I had to first identify, what is it that I actually need? And then once I actually realized what I needed, well, then it opened me up to what are the possibilities? What are the possibilities? And then Dr. Natasha brought in the ever amazing Seth Godin. I interviewed him on my podcast. I will also link to it on my show notes because his podcast was really moving. But this question is, if you can do anything and not get paid and not get attention and it could be a failure, what would it be? That just hit so different. it. And at the end, what I am very proud to say is Dr.

52:32Natasha has helped me learn how to turn the blows into flows. Don't go. I don't need to go. I don't need to go with the blows anymore. I can take the blow and then I can say, well, how am I going to turn this into flow? And so I just want to say thank you for showing up. Thank you for being you. Thank you for being here. How can people connect you? Where do you like to connect most online? Yes. Right now, LinkedIn. If you search Dr. Natasha on LinkedIn, and I'm sure we'll have that linked in the show notes, Please connect with me there. If you have any questions, please let me know. I probably won't get back to you within two minutes, but I will get back to you, I assure you.

53:04And then also Instagram, Dr. Natasha, PhD on Instagram. I'm going to be putting some different content out there and nothing's there now, but it will be coming. At the time of this debut, there will be something there if I have anything to do with it. If I have anything to do with it, I was like, you better get some posts up there. We better get an exit link to this free five-day challenge. Don't worry, I will buff her up before she's live. Okay, let me say that again. No, no, no, nah. This show, you about to be real. We're going to be real. You are not going to be my friend and expect it to be pretty.

53:33No, we got to do the work. She can't come here and expect me to do the work and not call her out. Bye. That's my show, honey. This is my show. No, no, no. We're doing the work. We are doing. I'm so happy this is recorded. I'm so happy. Y 'all, Dr. NatashaJ.com, if this show has meant anything to you, or if there was another person on your journey who would like to join this conversation, please feel free to share this show with them. It is a place of love and gratitude that I get to say thank you for watching and listening to The Jasmine Starr Show.