#1965 - David Choe

37:09Yeah, you're like, because there is really, like Atlanta's a great show. Rami's a great show. There's great shows. Oh, there's great shows, but then you're like, at the end, they're still trying to sell refrigerators with the advertising. Right, yeah. But not always. I mean, generally, that's the case. But there's a lot of people that create those shows that aren't trying to do that. And then someone else is pitching it to the network and someone smart enough to leave that fucking guy alone. And a lot of times it's just because something is just so successful, like South Park, for instance. Right.

37:39Comedy Central, 100 % would fuck South Park up if they brought it to them right now. They'd be like, what are you going to do? Right. You hold on. You're going to shove Paris Hilton up a gay teacher's ass on TV. No, no, you can't do that. What are you going to do? You're going to draw Muhammad. Right. But you're going to have Muhammad dressed as a teddy bear inside of a brink's truck. No, no, you can't do that. But they're so big. And they've been around for so long. They can get away with it even in one of the most restrictive and goofy climates in media. So they've become big enough so they could do that.

38:14So it has to be someone, you know, whoever it is where they just leave you the fuck alone. And that's very, very rare. But if you just want to distribute something on YouTube, you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want. I mean, make something pretty incredible. It's I just helped like produce. And like I was the cameraman. So it's not my film. But I'm like, I'm going to have to talk to you about this because it's like I want people to see it because it's all the proceeds we're going to donate back to the to the Hots of. But it's like like Paco Reterta, who's like the best, you know, he I met him.

38:54He's in the Philippines. He made the show show. He's the one that edited this thing. And I don't like it's not my movie. I'm just like there to help. There it is. Oh, there it is. So the full length feature film is just, oh, that's just a trailer. This is just a trailer. I'll send you the link to it. But like, yeah, that's no no. He's so funny. You're not going to see any of the, that's Hannah Sparkman, the filmmaker. Well, she's, yeah, I mean, I was immediately drawn to them. I'll put it, I'll put it like this, Joe. Like what is America's appetite or to see like it's not you're not going to see it in the trailer, but like they catch a pregnant baboon, right?

39:44They rip the belly open. The baby, the fetus of the baboon falls out and it's second it hits the ground. Ten dogs tear it to pieces. Oh, I'm, then they love the protein. What's it? What's the brain made out of? Like brain matter. But like it's, that's, I'm not a nutrition. That's like they know, like they, the instinctually they know that has like fat or something in it. So it's like the delicacy, like the animal, like looks human. Then they tear through it and like, I go in a cave and it's white, right? The brain is like white and gray. And I shine a flashlight because I hear like I hear that noise and I turn the flashlight on and I see like ten dudes like fighting each other to like scoop as much brain and there's white shit all over their face.

40:34And then as they drop the skulls on the ground, there's a baby playing drums on the baboon skull heads. And I'm like, this is the crazy shit I've ever seen in my life. And I don't know if this is a X. This is how people survive. Yes. But I don't know if that's just too much. I don't know if people. I don't think it's too much. It's real. And you know, that's how those people have been surviving for a long time. It's natural. It's bizarre as it seems. It's natural. Yeah. Because we have a really hard time with people eating primates. Right. My friend Steve Rinella, he filmed a show in South America and he was with this hunter gatherer tribe in South America.

41:17I forget what the name, you know, see if you can find the name of the tribe. I think they're in Guyana and they killed a monkey and ate it and he had some of the monkey. And it was like, it's very, it's, you're very conflicted. It's very strange. Well, it, it's a primate. I mean, it's like, like, imagine if you were in a different world, right? And just imagine this and you go to a place where there's a friendly group of cannibals and they have been hunting one specific type of person, maybe like pale skin blonde people are the most delicious. And they just chase down these, you know, these kind of savage looking pale skinned blonde haired people and cook them an item.

42:10They don't eat anybody else. Just eat pale blonde. I'm a vinos. Yeah. Just in these people are wild looking people that wearing like leaves over their dicks and running around barefoot. So you can kind of detach, you know, either with your Air Force ones on, like, I'm not the same as them. This is different. You know, but this is kind of what it's like when we're eating primates because we're eating our history. Well, I mean, so that's what I'm saying, the visuals. Like when they throw the, when they throw the monkey on the fire, that's how they get the fur off. And he's like this. Yeah. And it looks like the crucifix on fire.

42:44I'm like, and you see the skull. I'm like, it looks human, right? And then there was that, was it you this had or was it renella that said one of the things that freaked him out was on the arrow hit him. He grabbed it with his hand. Oh, that was, I think I told you that story. Because like, we feel like part of the thing is this is the only documentary where I think I've never seen it on YouTube where we film the baboon hunt from beginning to end. And it's like, monkey's running. Fuck you. Like he's like, that's like what he's screaming sounds like fuck you. And then the dog gets his nutsack and rips it off.

43:15And then you're running and you see the nutsack on the ground. And I'm like, what is this? And they're like, keep that. That's nutritious. That's that's like the prize. Like the top hunter gets that. I'm like, all right. And then you're just running and running. And then like they get him. And then the, um, he's grabbing the arrow and the dogs are just ripping his stomach out. And he's like, oh my god. It's like a, oh my god. But baboons are so weird too. Because they're almost like a, like a cross between a primate and a dog. Like they have that long face. Yeah. Like almost like a wolf's face.

43:47Yeah. I mean, I have. When they're teeth are bare, it's a their wild look and creature. And like, you know, once again, like I only went on a few hunts. I wasn't like considered too manly because I was just, I couldn't hang. Yeah. So I'm back with the, the women and children. And like, I'm teaching the kid how to play drums on, on like baboon skulls. There's like maggots coming out of the nose. And I'm like, hey, there's like that kitchen. If you playing there's maggots and then she goes, and she just eats them. And I'm like, there's, there's nutrition in that too. I'm like, holy fuck, you know.

44:16And then there is a serial killer, a Japanese serial killer that wrote a book about which human, like he's like French people are buttery. Like, like, like, did you know that? You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? There's like that dude. And speaking as a cannibal myself, like, I don't know culturally. I don't know if you did this when your kids were born, like, there's cultures that eat the placenta, right? I did not, but my uncle did it. So am I cannibal if I eat the placenta? I mean, well, sort of. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. And then he talks about like how different races taste different. That guy goes on TV and jokes around about, it tends to bite people.

44:57Like he killed someone and ate them, right? Yeah. A lot. He like, he ate like two French girls. I think, I don't know. I just, how was he out on the street? He killed his friend Renee Hart, Hart de Velt and ate her remains yet. He's free to walk the streets to this day. Like, how is that possible? Do they just have different ways of prosecuting people in Japan? And I mean, you know, he's reformed, you guys say he's reformed? I catch a hospital, loophole. Oh, loophole. Jesus Christ, though, dude. I mean, that, that is a crazy situation. So killed a woman and ate her and he's just wandering around the most.

45:33He starts in a soft corporn where he re -enacts and bites actors. Oh, Jesus Christ. So yeah, I mean. Look at this. And throughout his life, he's been chillingly unrepentant. Yeah. When he discusses his crime, it's as if he believes it's the most natural thing in the world. And he plans to do it again. Jesus Christ, man. He wrote mango about it. Jesus Christ. That guy's wandering around saying he's going to do it again. Well, oh, Jesus walking around. But oh, Jesus lies at least. I know. That's true. But if we were all hungry, we would all do the same thing. I ate my wife's placenta and then like, I don't know.

46:12It's the jury's out whether it's actually does anything, but we've been doing it as humans for like thousands of years. So any of my friends whose wives get pregnant, I go, hey, if you guys are going to throw it out, I'll take it. So I have a freezer full of human placenta. And keeping this guy, I go, if my friend's wife is like Indian, you know, is it like have a different flavor than if it's a white person or if it's a Korean person or a black person. And yeah, I mean, that's just, I don't know, like crime scene of the me. Jamie, come on, bro. Oh my God. This is me. Oh, please, take that away.

46:49Take that away. I need to look at plates of human flesh. Fuck. I mean, you've been to my... This is a giant difference between that and someone who obviously who's hunting a primate for food. But there's just a thing that we have where it's closer to that than like eating a fish. Like eating a fish is very far removed from us. Like people don't even mind if you show photos. Well, the thing is in this particular area with specifically the HOD, so it is baboon because that's all that's left. Like when I, I think I told you last time, the oldest guy in that village is like, we used to kill every elephants, cheetahs, lion, everything, but they're just all like close to extinction now that that's the last of us that's there.

47:33And it's totally like we're in a cave. They're in a cave. They run like this. We run like this. Like it's fucking bizarre. It's really hard when you talk about this because I don't see a way for that culture out as humans expand. Well, I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer to it, but what even when we go there, we let them decide. Right? We're like, we raise this money. I work with the Malekah Foundation or even this movie, if it makes money, we're going to, we don't go, this is what you should be doing. Like we're sending them, those kids are like, we want to go to school to get educated so that we can like use words and like, there's one guy named Shawnee and he's like, did I tell you this last time?

48:19Probably, but it's okay. He's like the only like some white lady took an interest in him. So this is straight up crocodile Dundee. Like, he is like, he can like run up a tree and kill a squirrel with his like, rip his head off and eat it, but he's the only one that went to law school. So he speaks Swahili, Hazabe, English, right? So he can wear like a suit and tie and then still have like the Hadsah headband. And he's the only one that has ever as far as I know that was able to get all the proper paperwork to leave to come to the US. So he stayed at my house when he came and I got him a shrimp.

48:57I took him to like every like insane restaurant. He'd never been in a swimming pool. He swam in my pool for like seven hours. He was like trying to drink the chlorine. I was like, dude, don't drink that. I took him to a fogo to Chow and he was like, leave the sword. You know, they brought out the shrimp cocktail and he was like, oh, you guys eat scorpion. I'm like, bro, that's not score. It was like everything everywhere I took him, he would eat it with his hands. Like at these like gourmet restaurants and he's like, like, grease is just going down his arm. And it was like, he had like the best time.

49:29But he's like, I'm so glad I went to law school. So now I have the tools to go fight for my people. And I don't know what the answer is. But yeah, it's amazing. It's like, that's an amazing story. I want, how alien must it be to a person to see an entire pool filled with water that they can't drink? Dude, these people are drinking out of puddles and that's my name. The escalator. Going up the escalator. Yeah. But you show these people drinking out of puddles. Yeah. And imagine they're looking at this crystal clear water and they can't drink it. You're telling them they can't drink it. Right. What are we doing with chlorine?

50:01How bad is that you're skinned? Dude, that's the worst man. It can't be, is chlorine bad for you? Like chlorine from the pool? I don't, I don't. How could it be beautiful? I have the rich guy pool now. The salt water. No, it's the next one. Oh, does it? Oxygenated pool. Shit. It's fancy. Really? How do they do that? Dude, I don't, I don't, like, I go to another rich guy's house and I say, oh, oh, you have chlorine? Dude, you got to get a salt, I go, okay, I'll just do whatever you tell me. And they go, we got the salt water pool and then I go to another rich guy's house and they go, I want to see his place and she's like, oh, I have the oxygenated pool.

50:38I'm like, all right, give me his number. So it's like, uh, it's like if, if the whole system, the power grid, everything goes down, you could drink out of that pool. There's no chlorine in it. That's awesome. I think the best water that feels like, like ocean water feels the best. Yeah. Like when you swim in ocean water, there's something about ocean water where it's, it's not just water, it feels alive. It feels like you're, you're dipping into an ecosystem. You're not in a petri dish. Like a swimming pool feels like a petri dish. You ever snorted it? Snort? Yeah. Like ocean water? Yeah. What do you think the answer to that question?

51:16I don't know. But you, I mean accidentally, yeah, I've got it up my nose accidentally, but it didn't snort it for effect though. I'm not trying to do it. But like, there was, you know, when I meet old healthy people, I always ask them, like, what's your secret? And he said, I snort salt water like when I go swimming. Oh, oh, oh. And he takes a little bit in his hand and he swims and he goes, and it goes, it burns like this and he goes, and this guy swears by it. He's like, I fucking love it. And I'm like, all right. You know, so I tried it. It did burn. Well, isn't that a lot like a nitty pot?

51:49Like, people do do that to clean their nose out, right? Yeah. I read about someone who had like, this might be propaganda. This might be against the nitty pot industry, but there was someone was using a nitty pot and they got a brain, some sort of a parasite. Look, there's always, there's always going to be like one, right? There's always going to be a, I know we should live in fear. That's what I'm saying. We should just live in fear. I snort salt water. I don't know. Is it real? Yeah. What is it? So someone in Seattle, what did they just snort? Amanda is of a brain eating amoeba, possibly from rinsing his sinuses with tap water.

52:27This one is in Florida. Oh, that's in Florida. So there's more than one. You heard Steve O's bit about this, right? No, but if that shit gets in your brain from tap water, like, what about when you swallow it? All right, you saw, you saw the boil. You saw the hods of drinking the brown water, right? It's not, that water has like cow poop in it and like, it's, it's disgusting, right? When I met Steve O, he's like, when, he's family traveled a lot when he was younger and he said, when he goes to other countries, they always tell you don't drink the water in Mexico, don't drink the, and he'd always do it.

52:59And so he'd get like crazy diarrhea, get sick. But now he says he has the most insane, like gut biome and he never gets sick now, which, like he seems like he should be dead and he isn't. And so the hods have a very similar thing with them. They have an insane micro gut biome, like, like the most diverse ever. So by, like if I drink that shit, that brown water, I'd be dead. Yeah, I'd be fucked, you know. Do you know what Joel Salatin is? Joel Salatin is, he's one of those guys who's, he, he does these farms where all the animals on the, it's called polyface farms, all the animal on the farms, they all work together.

53:38It's like a, it's called regenerative agriculture. Yeah. So there's no pesticides, no herbicides, and it's all just about moving the animals around and having them. He drinks out of the cattle, those fucking buckets where the cows drink out of those long, the trough. Yeah. He drinks the water out of that for his own gut biome. All right. So, okay. This is, you're the perfect guy to, you know, you know, I'm a, like you've offered to give me on it shit, but I just buy all of that stuff anyways. Like, in the same way with the oxygenated pool, there's like, you live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, hey man, if I had your money, this is what I would do, right?

54:22They tell you what they would do, right? So at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money and I go, you've been, you came to my warehouse years ago, right? Yeah. I'm like, I had this like 20, 30 ,000. Don't spot downtown. But I was like, dude, I was like, damn, this is how famous artists live. This is fucking badass. It was badass. I was like, yeah, that's, because if I went over your house and it was like IKEA furniture or so I'm shit, it would be so boring. You know, but you lived exactly how, like I would hope that you lived. Yeah, and I loved it. I bought every car that I want.

54:56I just got everything I wanted and I said, there's something that, you know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything. So because I want to live, you know, the longest. So I had state of the art, and I think this is 15 years ago or more, like you're the first person to ever tell me about float tank. You're like, here's my float tank. I had the float tank. I had the UV spa. I had everything. I had the ice bath, all the shit. I had the best, the most expensive weights. The smoothie that I'm having every morning is like a thousand dollar. I don't know if it's a thousand, but it has placenta, human placenta.

55:31Jesus. It has two eggs, shell on, not washed. Banana. Banana, stick around. Shell on, not washed. Shell on. I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. Banana peel on, like a whole bit or melon. Like the most disgusting shake ever. Like every single powder at Airwonde that costs like a hundred dollars, the three hundred dollar, like honey, the Manuka honey, Siberian cedar, pine oil, like every single thing that someone says is good. It tastes like shit and I just down it and I have like the six hundred dollar trainer that shows up to my house. And I realized like it was kind of like, I'm going to live long and be healthy, but like, it felt lonely.

56:14I'm paying a guy to be here. And like the thing that I was missing in my life was accountability because there was no, like I'm like, I want a life where I have no accountability. I want to be like a kid. I want to be Robin Hood or a Peter Pan forever. And so people were like, oh, if money will keep you accountable. If you're paying someone six hundred bucks an hour, like you're definitely going to show up to that appointment. I'm like, no, I'm not. So I found this guy, this rogue trainer that like my friend was like, I know a guy and I was like, well, what's this guy? The money thing's not going to, he's like, he hits you.

56:50And I was like, what? He hits you. Yeah, he hits you. You got to sign a contract and stuff. And it's like, are you okay? Because this is, and he only like has like three clients and they're all super real. Yeah, he's like, you will do, you will get in the shape, but you have to sign this thing that says, I'm allowed to come over to your house. You have to give me a key to your house. Oh my God. And so like, and for someone like me who likes pain, I'm like, I don't give a fuck, you know? And so I missed my first, like I missed dude, not exaggerating. I missed it by two minutes. Like I have to be there.

57:18He runs up the stairs and my mom happened to be stopping at my house to drop off kimchi. So she sees a guy, a huge guy, rushing guy, run up the stairs and start tumbling my sternum. And she screams like, ah, and I was like, oh my God. I was like, my pain has got to do this. Oh my God. And that scared the shit out of me. My mom almost had a heart attack. I was like, mom, mom, I'm sorry. And then I sat there and I was like, this, this ain't it. Like, this ain't it, you know?

57:50So, and I don't want to give away my exact location, but like currently my, you know, this might be going further the complete opposite side of the spectrum. But I go to the like one of the shittiest 24 -arfeitnesses in LA. I mean, there's a guy popping zits and shaving his neck and wiping his ass in the sink. There's always a homeless guy in the sauna doing push ups. Like, it feels like a lot of homeless guys have the past to this one and they just go there to like shower. There's always someone about to like looking like, like they're about to give a hand job in the shower or is there like in the sauna.

58:28And once in a while I get recognized or whatever, but I go there with my friends. It's communal like, I don't know. And I'm like, I don't know if this is it either. So it's like, it's either running top speed to hunt food with the HODSA, the super, super rich guy program on this side. The kind of like, you know, showering with homeless guys and getting hand jobs at the 24 -arfe fitness. And I'm like, I want, you know, like I want to, I have a family now. I want to like have a healthy life where I live, but just I haven't found the thing that speaks to me the most is the moving Africa right now.

59:05Maybe not Africa, Africa, but like close by where I get to be in like a not populated area where I'm closer to nature. And I mean like once again, dude, only here for, only been here for like one, one night already, but Austin is just, I mean, it's just amazing. Like this is. We should probably stop talking about too many people moving here. Yeah, and I don't know if they want people that look like this moving here. I don't do it. It's a, it's a very, it's interesting one of the, what they think, they always say about Austin is keep Austin blue and surrounded. So like what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real Texas, like real country Texas, but Austin, the city is very progressive, super progressive.

59:54And I think it's a perfect combination because I think the two of them balance each other out and keeps everything in check. Like progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just a generalization for sure. It's definitely, they're like, they're Texas people. You know, it's like, there's a, there's a deeply rooted independence in this state that came from how difficult it was to settle. Yeah. Like this, there's this fucking amazing book. The, um, the, um, Comanche book. What is the name of it, Jamie? Empire the summer moon. Empire the summer moon.

1:00:32It's fucking insane book about the Comanche who lived here. It's one of the best books I've ever read. I've read it twice. All right. I'm going to check it out. It's really good, dude. And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer because the Comanches were, they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes. And so they had these massive stockpiles of horses. And they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows before the guys could get off a second shot because the whole thing about old school guns like muskets.

1:01:08It was like this shit. Exactly. They kept the arrows and their fingers and they would fire them off one at a time. You didn't shoot? I can't do that. No. But they, they could do it. Yeah, that's crazy shit. But they could do this. There's a dude. It does it though. What Lars Anderson guy. Faster than shooting a gun. Yeah. Check out this guy. This is guy we've had him on before but he's actually bringing back these old methods that people actually forgot. Mostly based on artwork. Like he's looking at these artist's renditions of guys with multiple arrows in their fingers. Whoa. Yeah. So that was about Empire of the Summer Moon, right?

1:01:48All right. I got it. It's in there. But when you see him do it, it's really impressive. Oh, oh shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Yeah. So he's got them all stacked up there and he's just lining them all up one at a time. All right. I got it. I'm going to come to Austin. I'm going to learn how to shoot like that. I'm going to like take. You'd have to meet that guy. Yeah. I don't think he's an Austin. I only think he's American, right? Is he somewhere? I'll take years to learn to do this. And then I'll bring this skill to the Hodza. Oh, yeah. If they knew it, well, if he just brought them fucking compound bows, they would be infinitely more successful.

1:02:25But what I was saying before about them though was that if, uh, did you see that last shot? He was like, yeah, no, he does crazy shit. He was like on the horse. But look, he can run and do this. It's really impressive. See, like he's on a horse and he's, and his face is just so monotone. He's like, they think that's how the Mongols did it too. And there's even some really ancient photos of hieroglyphs in Egypt that depict arrows that are held in a similar way. So they think, I mean, it makes sense. I mean, he's, it's not like he's the first guy to figure this out. I mean, pretty interesting shit.

1:03:04Austin, like, I don't know any of that history, but like, it is definitely, I've never been to a place like this. It's like surrounded by all this like red parts of Texas. It's just, that's where the balance comes. It feels loving. Like the people, like it, like just in like the lady at the hotel and the restaurant, like everyone's super nice. You're not that landlocked because you could like what, two hours away to the water. Right. I don't know. I'm feeling it, you know, as long as like there's some place where I could get kimchi. Like, I'm good. I'm sure there is. Dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this because people that don't know this about Joe Rogan used to be an actor.

1:03:52Well, I've done some acting. It wasn't very good. I was good at sitcom acting. I've never did like real acting. No, you went, you went hard like on, on news radio. Yeah, but that's, you sitcom acting is not hard, man. It's like the hardest shit is like Daniel DeLewis, Joaquin Phoenix acting. Okay. That's hard acting. But like just playing a guy and saying a funny line. So you don't act anymore? No, no, no, no. And like there's no project that you would come back to. I'm not interested in that. It's just like, or say Zee or anybody. It's not a negative on acting. I mean, I appreciate, I love movies, you know, I love great acting.

1:04:27I just don't like to do it. It's just too many hours. It takes too long. It's not what I'm interested in, you know, I'm more interested in podcasts and stand up and I don't have enough time to do anything else. So then you have C. Cometary. So there's no project you can think of. I just thought it's not interested. If it was like a one day shooting person. Yeah, it's great. Wow. Yeah. It's, I just, there's other, yeah, I don't want to play baseball either. It doesn't mean I hate baseball. I'm just not interested. Okay, well, like I don't want to do anything, like just because it's a job. You know, that's what it would say.

1:05:05So last time I came on here, I was like, or maybe in private, I've always told you, like a little less with the UFC stuff and maybe like try to get into the painting and you're like, I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway. Like I want to go in, go in, right? Yeah. And like I can't even remember the last time I was on Howard Stern, but it was like 15 years ago or something and at the either I said it on the show or after it ended, I was like, because I know he's interested in chess and photography and whatever. I just was like, he has like the soul of an artist and I was like, you should get into painting.

1:05:38And now, like it's sad for me because I feel like he should have also got out while he was head, like whenever his contract ended, he should have stopped. He's kind of feeling to me like my dad talking at me or down to me now. He does a little bit of that. But is watercolors? I think that's a natural thing that happens to old men though. Jamie, if you could find us. I'm not gonna be doing that too. Oh, definitely. I hope not though. I'm gonna be talking down to people soon. You can get your attention. I think you'll talk. I'm accepting of being talked down to if someone looks like this. Yes. But his watercolors?

1:06:09I'm just joking about that of course. His watercolors, he just paints all the time now and they're better than most artists. I'm sure. He's a brilliant guy. He went into it hard. Look, that guy is responsible for all this. If it wasn't for him, if it wasn't, I mean, we got ahead of the game because of the Howard Stern show. That's very good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So how long did he take to be able to paint like this? I think he just dedicated like 10 years to it. You know, and he's like, and it's probably, honestly, probably why he's not that good at broadcasting anymore.

1:06:44Because he's interested in that. Yeah, because he's like, and you could tell, like that's a really good, it's really good, right? It's really good. Like perspective. I mean, I offered him art lessons after I did his show. I was like, hey, dude, if you ever want to like, and he's like, I'm not even close to it. It's great. You might be right about that. Maybe that's like his primary focus now. So I always remember, you know, it's also probably like, that's why he doesn't go into town. I mean, look at that shit, dude. He's like, and those things are tiny. That was like with those tiny brushes and.

1:07:16It's really incredible. It's really incredible. But of course, it's just like makes sense. Like when I heard that he was like, really into chess, I was like, oh, of course he is. That makes sense. It's like, whatever led him to figure out how to be the biggest broadcaster in history, that kind of energy could apply to anything. And you're seeing that with work. If you're doing that, then it's like that took away from, you know, you only have certain hours in a day. And like that's not like a casual, like he's going for it. Like that's like, he could sell those in a gallery, right? I wonder if they're complimentary, though, because some things I think other activities are complimentary.

1:07:52It's like cross training. That's no talking. Like he, that's like quiet. Yeah. Nobody like silent as meditation, you know? But my thought was I wonder if that stimulates the mind in a way that might actually make him better at talking to people. Because oftentimes that does happen. Like when you get good at another thing, like you get better at certain aspects of other things that you do that are like correlated. So can I tell you what happened? And I would love your feedback on it. Yes. So I'm, I'm kind of like, I didn't realize it, but I'm kind of like that too, right? And just being born and raised in Los Angeles, people go, are you interested in making movies or being an actor?

1:08:33And I never really put it together, but I was like, why would I want to be an actor? Like the only roles available for Asians are Kung Fu Master, which I'm not, I'm not that good at martial arts. I am a MMA artist, mixed media artist, but not that kind of artist. And I'm not, you know, what is it? It's either like nerd, like math geek, waiter, like it's just, I'd never seen an Asian guy be the lead or something. So it's just like, I killed the own dream for me, you know? In the same way, when I give art lessons or play with like, someone who's not an artist, the first thing they always throw out is like, I'm not, I suck, I suck.

1:09:11And I go, why did you do that? Why did you just like, do that to yourself before we even started? Yeah. And it's because we do that from the day that we can talk and walk, right? Well, we also do that to express humility at a respect for what you do. There's like people say things like that just because they're a fan. Like if you asked me if I could draw, I'd go, I could draw pretty good, but I kind of suck compared to you. That would say, that's why they're doing it. They just don't want you to think like, oh, I'm a fucking artist too, bro. You know, like they don't want to come off douchey, they're fans.

1:09:40I hear you. And that's fair, but don't you think at a young age, if they see like a kid being strong or doing something athletic, they go, oh, he's gonna be a football player and you already start getting boxed into. He could. Like if I start drawing and stuff, they're like, oh, he's gonna be an artist. So in the same way, I killed my own dream because I was like, there's just nothing. Like if I, in my own, the movie in my head, I am Indiana Jones. I'm the fucking Wolverine. I'm Batman. I'm all those things, but I wouldn't be, I wouldn't have that role if I got it. So I just killed the dream for myself.

1:10:14In the same way, I grew up in a lot of different mixed neighborhoods. And so my dad, who's a great athlete, he plays every sport would take us to like the playground and then be all these black guys playing basketball. And he, you know, he could sink it from anywhere in the court and he'd give us the ball and go, now you're turn. Keep in mind, I've never thrown a basketball. So it's like the second I miss, ah, Mr. Miyagi, you know, it's like, it's not a safe place to make accidents and whatever. Now at age 46, sometimes I go with my art see friends early in the morning, like 5 .30, we all have kids now.

1:10:51So we go early early in the morning before anyone's awake. And because the threat of being made fun of is gone, I'm like, I'm pretty good at, I'm like, I can fucking throw a spiral. Like I can catch a, I'm like, oh, I'm holy shit. And then same thing, like when I work with people where the, no one, they know that they're not being watched or whatever, I'm like, oh shit, like you're really good at drawing, you know? Yeah, that holds people back with everything. That holds people back, performance, anxiety, holds people back in fights, holds people back with comedy, you know? So I wasn't trying, like I'm like you, I'm like, I'm not trying to be an actor or anything, but during the, every time I've been on TV, it's just either as myself or like a cartoonish, exaggerated version of myself.

1:11:33And so my ego got a little bit inflated because it was like thumbs up my hitchhiking show or me going looking for a dinosaur or, you know, going on board a show or Dave Chang's show, it's always just me, I'm not acting, right? And then because I was doing all these like kind of cooking Dave Chang, you know him, the chef? I don't know personally. Yeah, I was doing this show ugly, delicious with him on Netflix and Mario, the producer of it is like, do you want to be a food judge on like top chef? And I was like, fuck yeah, like I want to go eat good stuff and it was this Jonathan Gold episode where he's the, you know, he's like the best food critic in LA that had passed away.

1:12:14So this was like, out of respect to him. And John Favreaux was there and I don't, and he's, he has his own cooking show with Roy Choi called the Chef Show on Netflix. And I had heard that he had just gotten the Star Wars gig to do the Mandalorian. And I have mixed feelings about how much that I'm a grown man and I still go to the comic book shop every Wednesday and all that stuff, but like I love superhero stuff. Like I love Batman, Spider -Man, Superman. I love all that shit, I love all the Star Wars stuff. Even though most of it is all shitty now, I still love it. So I told him, I don't know when I'm ever gonna meet this guy again.

1:12:53So as he, you know, we went to Tacos in 1988 and as he got in the car and the valet pulls up, I go, hey, good, you know, I didn't want to be the fanboy guy, but I was like, hey, congratulations on getting that Star Wars gig. And he's like, oh, yeah, thanks Dave. And the guy's giving him his keys and he's about to drive off. And I go, you know, put some fucking street art and Star Wars and he's like, what? And I was like, the alliance, the rebel alliance, the, you know, like every time in history, the great wall, Russia, Vietnam, it doesn't matter. Anytime there's a war anywhere in the world, there's, there's art, rebellious art, right?

1:13:27There's posters, there's graffiti of saying like, fuck the system, fuck the man, down with the, you know, whatever. I'm like, in Star Wars you have like Nazi type characters, you have all this like fighting and there's no, there's no like graffiti. And he goes, you're right, Dave. That's a very good point. Yeah, and he goes, you're right, Dave. And you should do it. And I had just had my kid and stuff. And he's like, I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to look for work right now. I'm just saying someone should do that. And he goes, you're right, and it should be you. And I was like, fuck, man. So I get this, you know, and it was fun for me.

1:13:59And I went and I was like, I went hardcore nerd. I was like, okay, Jawas are like this tall. So the graffiti would be like this. And Luke Skywalker would not be known on this set. So I'm like learning the Aurobache language, the Star Wars language. And I'm layering the graffiti so it would be accurate. Like I'm like going total nerd and he goes, all right, and he tries to pay me and I go, dude, I haven't gotten a paycheck in like 10 years. Like I can't, I don't want to get paid. And the guy at Lucasfilm is like, you don't want to get paid? Like you're going to get paid a lot of money for this.

1:14:30I go, I don't want to fill out taxes for this shit. Like I don't work, like I'm jobless. And he goes, you're the first person that's ever denied a check from Disney. And I was like, no, I'm not. And then I go, put me in coach. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, put me in for, like just so I could tell my friends and shit that I was in Star Wars. And so eight hours of makeup, eight hours of fucking makeup. Look at that shit. Like fucking prosthetics, you know. So I have like, I have one second of screen time. That's like the camera panning, you know? And I had to do make and they, you know, they put like paint speckles.

1:15:09Like they made it look like I was the guy that actually did the graffiti. And you know, oh, so this is the first time I'm on TV acting, like not as me. So I go home. I write a short story about the back story of my character. And I go, oh, it's too boring for me to scream in English. I'm going to learn Hatties, job of the Huts language. So I'm out there. I got five pages of dialogue. Like we're at a gambling rick. We're betting on Gamori and Guards fighting. So it's like a fight scene. And it's like, fuck him up. Fuck him up, Chris. Like all that. And I'm saying it. And like, everyone's like, dude, you're a fucking extra.

1:15:48That's in here for one second. And no one asked you to learn job of the Huts language. And, you know, but I didn't know how to not go hard, you know, with it. And then, so did they tell you to not do it? They didn't, they're like, I'm, so I'm like, I'm like extra hanging out there. And I go, hey, just like, I know, like, you know, this is just me being me. I'm like, I'm not trying to get more airtime or whatever, but I did write a backstory of how I ended up in a, I am a gambling addict. This is how I ended up at a Gamorian Guard gambling thing. And I give it to John Favreau and Dave Filoni, who are like the, the showrunners.

1:16:24And they're like, yeah, we'll get right on that day. Yeah. So that's hilarious. So I'm like, wow, I'm not like I went kind of all in. Like I wasn't, you know, so anyways, it was enough. I'm like, that was great. Then I get a call one day from Alley Wong and Steve Young at the same time there on this new show on Netflix called Beef from A24. And they say the same thing. They go, Dave, have you ever thought about acting? And I'm like, I'm like family, dude. I'm like chilling, trying to figure out how to get to Africa. Like I'm not trying to, trying to do this. And I go, what's the part? And I'm like, well, it would be filming in LA.

1:17:03It'd be for like three months and you'd be playing an angry Korean guy. And I'm like, I'm like, ah, well, is that, is that how you guys see me? You know, I'm like, I'm pretty, I'm like, pretty chill. You know, like in my normal life, like, I'll tell you all this shit later, but like I kicked my parents out of the mansion. I bought them because I asked them a million times not to do certain things and they didn't listen to me. And I was like, I'm not like making crazy requests. It's just like I've learned what a boundary is. And please don't cross it. And they did. So this is, this is my real life, right?

1:17:36My real life is like my brother, my, my, my family, like when they fuck with me, I go, and I just ask you like, not to do that. And if you do that, then I'm going to have to remove, like that's my normal life. But in this TV show, I'm like, fuck you, like, I'm like waving my gun out, like, and they're like, the character's name is Isaac Cho. And I'm like, that's not that far of a stretch, you know? And so I go, why don't you guys hire an actor? Like a real actor and they're like, there's all these people coming and casting and they're like playing to be like Asian gangster tough guy, but you're just an asshole.

1:18:10And I'm like, I'm like, should I, should I take an acting club? I don't want to, like, you know, Steve Young's like Oscar nominated like Ali Wong. Like, they're like, no, they've just coming in to be yourself. I'm like, fuck you guys. So I come in and I thought they were offering me the part. So I come in and it's an audition. And I go, I'm too fucking old for this shit. Like I'm too fragile to like, like, put it up. They didn't make a distinction when you're having a conversation. How casual was this conversation? Feed a coming to a movie? Oh, man. Or a television show. I mean, I went in and I just like, I want to do a good job.

1:18:44So I like, I fully like, like, yeah, you did know was an audition. I didn't. I thought they were, I thought they were asking me, like, can you do this? And I was like, all right, fuck it, you know? So I went in and I'm like sitting next to the 10 other guys that are actual actors and I'm like, oh, I'm not going to get this part, you know? And then I do my part and I'm like, waiting by the phone. Like, I hope they validate me. I hope you like me. And then they call me and they're like, you got the part. I'm like, oh, shit, like I kind of like didn't want to get it. In the same way, like, do you ever watch a survivor?

1:19:18Yes. So a lot of young, a lot of people don't even know it's still on there, but it's been on there for like 30 years. That's crazy how long it's been on. And yeah, and then they asked me to be on a survivor off shoe called take it to the edge or be on the edge. And it's like all washed up. So that I sound mean right now. It was like, it was like a 70 year old X supermodel and like retired NFL players. And I was the last one. So I'm like, what? Steve, Steve said no. And I called Steve all like did they hit you up? He's like, yeah, I said no. And I was like, I love survivor. This ain't it, but I should do this.

1:19:58And they were like, please just, and it was during the pandemic. It was like, you compete with other celebrities. And the thing with this is there's no losers. Everyone wins and we donate all the money to charity. And I was like, and I was like, that is the fattest I'd ever been. I ate so much postmates during the thing. And my trainer or my manager was like, dude, you got to, if you're going to do this, I say don't do it. But if you're going to do it, like you're going to be with all these like washed up people, like you have to win. So then, so then that's when I hired the, the hitting guy that's, so I did actually get into pretty good shape.

1:20:28And then ultimately at the end, I said no. And then at a party, I met Jeff Probes. And I said, hey, dude, I almost did this show. And he's like, oh, I'm not actually not a part of that. But why don't you do the actual survivor? And I was like, dude, I'm fucking super rich. And no one's going to let me win, like get all the way to them. He's like, we had Mike Y8, we had another guy that got, like, to the end. And I was like, all it would take is one of those people to recognize who I am. And then like, they're going to like vote me out immediately. He's like, dude, when we think you have like the, the right thing.

1:20:56So I got like, I got into like the, the best shape. And you know, it was obviously nice having Jeff, a bad for me, but I mean, that interview process was insane. They have like therapists talking, they want to make sure that you're not going to hurt someone or kill yourself on that island. Right? So it was like law. And they got to the very end. And then at the very end, they're like, can you do that thing that, like, you remember when Chris Rock paid like a million dollars to like delete him throwing the, uh, shit, I'm probably fucking him up right now. But you remember he threw like one of the worst, uh, first, uh, what do you call it?

1:21:32A pitch. A pitch. He threw one of the worst ones. And then now you can't find it anywhere. Really? I sure Jamie could find it. Is that real? I heard, I had heard. I don't know if it's true, but no one was worth than Anthony Fauci. Did you see his pitch? I'm sure it was like, it was like, like, it was hilarious. I mean, it didn't even come close to where it was supposed to go. Yeah. And it's in. Oh, that's sad. Okay. Oh, yeah. See that Chris. I'm like, laughing at him. I'm like, yeah. All right. So I guess it's still fine to. Um, it's just, yeah. So, um, fuck, why did I even bring that up? Um, oh, yeah.

1:22:13So they asked me, they go, you're going to, you're going to be on survivor. But can you do that thing that the celebrities do and pay like a million dollars to like basically delete your entire imprint on the internet? And I was like, what? And they're like, there's so much of your life that is just like not appropriate for like, and I was like, and you know, I sat there and I was like, it's enough. Like, I like, it's enough that I almost like, I know myself. I'm like, I would have won. I would have fucking won survivor. I know myself. I know that sounds cocky, but like I survived. I was in it's entirely dependent upon someone voting for you.

1:22:51I know, but I, as this is the setup, right? Like as someone, people are like, oh, how'd you get into acting? I'm like, I've been a gas lighter lying. Right. Con man thief. Like sneaky dude, like half my life. Like I'm set up for this. Like I, like, you need to be. But there's other people like you out there. That's why I'm always fascinated by someone whose things are definitely going to win. Well, look, I only have my track record. Like I'm like, I thought I would, I could have tons of power. Listen, I'm sure you have a ton of confidence. I'm sure you believe that wholeheartedly that you're going to win.

1:23:26But there's other David chose out there. Maybe not you exactly, but the same kind of motherfucker. I'm sure if you got on a show with one of those guys, you'd be like, God damn it. Well, one of the things that's like the biggest benefit of meditation for me these days is like, it's that driving thing of it's not enough. I did this. Now I got to do this is like, it's like, I'm enough. So like, and I'm speaking my inner thoughts. So I'm sorry how cringey it sounds, but like there's nothing I can't have. Right. So I drive and I go, look at that insane house. I'm like, I could buy that. Look at that woman.

1:24:03I'm like, I could get her. Like look at and so just that like there's nothing physical or experience that I can't have. Like I can have it. That's why I keep telling you that my last battle is the spiritual one. And so that's why I fly coach. That's why I sit like that's why I just do normal shit that like could I fly private everywhere? Could I stay at the nicest hotels and nicest gyms and everything and just kind of be like, that's them. And this is, you know, I waited an hour at Terry Black. So I'm sure like I could have like called you and got to the front, you know, like I just. I'm just at peace with myself.

1:24:43So the fact that I could have been on survivor was enough for me. And I didn't want to be away from my family for that long anyways. Yeah, I couldn't imagine what I do on those shows. I just love the any show that's competitive that pushes you to your limit. I'm sure it's fun, you know, I'm sure it's fun. Just the time commitment. Yeah. Well, I mean, if I get voted off right away, it's like fine. But if you're all the way to the end, that's 90 days, I think I could see someone like you wanted to do it just for the experience though. I mean, that's just because it's a wild crazy thing to do. Right.

1:25:14And that's what that's why I would have done it because I've been a survivor family whole life. And you know, that show is that the longest running reality game show? It has to be. It has to be unless you count like the bachelor, other game shows, like regular games shows. It's got to be the longest running reality game show, right? I mean, that shit was on before fear factor. I wonder what's longer. There's a longer one. There's three seasons in 23 years. I mean, I would have killed that feel fear factor. I would have ate the dick, the butthole, everything. I like there's not that part. That part's not that hard.

1:25:52The physical stuff is hard. The physical stuff would have been hard for me. It's hard for everybody. It's it because it's like some of them. All right, fear factor, just the food. I would have killed. Just the food. Like we had one where they had a hang onto a bar over like a lake. Yeah. So they're hanging underneath this bridge. Yeah. Oh, I saw that one. Women can hang way longer than men can. A lot of women. Wow. Yeah, because there's not so much body. You mean emotionally or physically? Probably both. Yeah, they hang onto like really shitty relationships. They don't have all the weight. Yeah.

1:26:26If you're carrying a 200 pounds, but she's only carrying 120 pounds, that 80 pounds makes a big difference with your hands. I would have lost on that part and then won on the Bebondic part. So I said no to survivor beyond beyond the edge, whatever that show was called. And now I was in like pretty good shape because of the abusive Russian trainer I had. And and now I'm like, you still got that trainer? No, I just I couldn't take it anymore. It wasn't that well, it's I want community. Like I want to like I want to have fun. Right. Right. Like it's like I never I've never gotten runners high. I've never gotten the only time I have fun is like when I'm playing basketball or football or soccer at 530 in the morning with the mist with my friends.

1:27:19Yeah. And then we can go for two, three hours and like I'm sweating at a great workout. And it was like it was fun. Dave, I'm going to pee. And when I come back, I'm going to talk you into doing jujitsu. Hope you're right back. Okay. Oh, wow. And we're back. And we're back. Headphones change it, right? Yeah. Locks you in. Holy shit. Locks you in. You hear it. How other people hear it. Yeah. Um, you would love it. Sexy voice. Thank you. You too. Thanks, man. You would love jujitsu. You're a super competitive guy and it's an exciting fun thing and it's an athletic thing. You just do it with the right people.

1:27:54Get the right trainer. You know, get the right group of guys. There's a lot of really good gyms where they really take care of people that are beginners and show them how to do it right. I could trip anybody. Trip them. You're good at tripping. Judo. Yeah, my dad made me take judo and you know, there's a, you know, if you know the history, there's a little bit of animosity. There could be between Japanese and Koreans and my dad set me up on a full like Japanese judo, uh, dojo and sawtale in Los Angeles. And they did not take it easy on me. And it's like, I'm kind of like, I think a lot of people are like this, like with whatever profession they're in, they learn one move really good and then they milk the shit out of it.

1:28:37Yeah. And I can fucking trip the shit out of anybody and I was so good at it and I added my twist to it that it gave me like this insane cockiness where I thought I could beat the shit out of anyone, but I'm like, what do you do after the after the trip? Oh, shit. I don't know. And so I got my ass kicked a lot. For people. Well, I mean, during a fight, I would that would be my move and I didn't have any other moves after it. It's a great move if you know how to trip the shit out of people. Yeah. That's San Chai who's like, if not the greatest one of the greatest Moitai fighters of all time, he's a master at tripping.

1:29:10But you got to be wearing clothes. That's the other thing. Oh, I can't, yeah, I can't trip like shirtless dudes. Oh. No, okay. That makes big difference. That's a problem. Yeah. You can learn some under hooks and over hooks that the problem, but that was an issue in the beginning days of the UFC when a lot of guys went no key. Yeah. And they went to the ground game. They were so limited because they were so accustomed to grabbing collars and grabbing pants legs and grabbing sleeves. All right. If I'm doing this shit in LA, where should I go? No key for sure. 10th plan at Jiu Jitsu. I get you set up.

1:29:46Okay. If you want to do it in LA, 100%. If you want to do the key. What part of town is that? It's downtown. Oh, perfect. Yeah. It's downtown. Okay. That's where the headquarters is. There's like a hundred and how many 10th planet Jiu Jitsu's are there? I want to say there's like at least a hundred. Affiliate. It's all over the world. It's like black belt. Like it's like that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you a black belt? Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's why I started. I have actually named it 10th planet Jiu Jitsu is my idea. That's yours. Yeah, what does that mean? Because we were talking about, it was me and Eddie Bravo and Eddie was, you know, he just got back from tapping out Huyler Gracie in Abu Dhabi.

1:30:26And, you know, Eddie's the best guy ever. It was my best friend. He was when we went to Abu Dhabi and he tapped out Huyler Gracie. It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life. And he came back from that. John Jacques Machado. Gave him his black belt off of his waist. John Jacques took his back off of it. Oh, I saw that video. And then Eddie started this 10th planet Jiu Jitsu. And the idea behind it was, use, because in MMA, you don't have the key. So use over hooks and under hooks. And a lot of it was derived from what he learned from John Jacques Machado. He was actually born with only one hand.

1:31:04John Jacques only has a thumb on his left hand. Oh, shit. His Jiu Jitsu couldn't be all grip -based. It had to be under hooks and over hooks. So he transitioned very easily to Abu Dhabi. And he won winning Abu Dhabi's the biggest no -gee competition in the world. He won a winning and smoking people. It was incredible to watch. So Eddie comes back and Eddie decides to start this Jiu Jitsu gym. And we're joking around about all the different names. We're probably highest fuck. I imagine we're highest fuck. And I said, why don't you just call it 10th planet Jiu Jitsu? Because it's like we were into Zacharias Hitchin back then.

1:31:40You know Zacharias Hitchin is? The sci -fi guy? No, Zacharias Hitchin was this guy who wrote these books about a planet called Nibiru. And he was a guy who supposedly, not 100 % by any means of this, but it's fun. I like this shit. He had transcribed the Sumerian text. And he believed that the history of the people from Sumer, what they were trying to relay, was that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution, and that beings from a planet called Nibiru, that it's on a 3600 year old, 3600 year elliptical course towards the earth. I've been told this is nonsense, like by people cosmologists.

1:32:25Which is another thing is nonsense, what I said the other day, we'll talk at the Andrew Schultz that the moon doesn't spin. So because we only see one side of the moon, we do only see one side of the moon, but it just spins perfectly with us so that we only see... Is that right? It was tidal locked to some earth, that's maybe what I was saying. Hey, I'm in, I love nonsense. But what it, I definitely was wrong. Like it does spin, right? It's, excuse me, rotate. People don't like the term spin. Someone was trying to explain this to me. I like spin class. That it, so it rotates at the exact same rate we do, so that we always see the same side.

1:32:58Does that one take for the moon to rotate once on its axis, is equal to the time it takes for the moon to orbit once around the earth, this keeps the same side of the moon facing towards the earth throughout the month. So sorry for my misinformation folks. I kind of said it, after I said it, I was like, I think this is off and then... This Zechariah's Hitchin thing, so anyway. This was Zechariah's Hitchin, he wrote these books called, I think it was the 12th planet, was one of them, it was all about these ancient Sumerians. And one of the weirdest things about it was like, these people had these clay tablets that had a detailed map of the solar system.

1:33:366 ,000 years ago, they carved it in clay. And they also had these giant beings with people with tails sitting on their lap. And they had the double helix of the DNA. And he interpreted all this as this was some sort of an ancient recording. Like, were they were trying to record what had happened. And when he was going through these ancient Sumerian texts, he believes that it was really all about these beings called the Anunaki. Those from heaven to earth came and that these beings came from this planet that is described as Nibiru and that they have manipulated human DNA forever. So you are into Star Wars?

1:34:23Well, it's that. I worship at the altar of nonsense. So everything you said to me right now? So fun. All in. It's so fun. It's so fun because if it really is the case, first of all, we know that we would do that. 100%. We would do that. We've done that to animals. Right. We've done all kinds of weird shit. Of course. We've made hybrids. And of course, if people were designing, like, they're making like life forms in petri dishes. Dude, for sure we would do that. I don't know how close or farward, whatever all this gene splicing shit, I'm like, dude, if that's real, I'm like, give it to me. Lobster claws, gorilla body, scorpion tail, tiger face.

1:35:04Everybody's going to look like that guy from Prometheus, over the guy that dies in the Alien movie Prometheus. Don't you want like Cheetah legs and like, yes, oh, wings, bitch. Marsupial pouch. What are my fucking wings? I want Eagle wings. It's a rat around. I'll take bat sugar glider wings. Right. You know, webbed feet like Kevin Costner and Waterwater Roll. I'm all in, dude. You believe in aliens? Yes. IQs, do you have been an alien last time, right? Probably. All right. All right. You want to hear my hot take on comedy right now? Okay. It's like, what would fucking look on all over the road?

1:35:42That's, yeah, sorry. I like it. I, so in the same way, in the same way, tonight, right? If you go home tonight and you do like a hardcore jerk off session to porn, you could watch more porn in 24 hours. I don't know how accurate this is, but it's pretty accurate. Then all of your ancestors since the beginning of time, right? Of course. You can watch thousands of people fucking tonight, whereas before the internet. Yeah. So, in the same way, when I was passing around tapes of like Eddie Murphy, RAW, Delirious, like you could watch every comedy special in a week, from like the funniest guy in Dubai to the hottest guy in Hong Kong.

1:36:28You could just download that shit, right? And I actually want to make a quick comment on style for comedians. I always remember what Martin Lawrence or Eddie Murphy was wearing like leather suit, no shirt, because not to be disrespectful, but isn't the art of comedy or the act of comedy, like you're a fool or you're a court jester or your job is to make, it's funny, right? It's to make people laugh. And then you have these comedians going on stage, dressing in suits or dressing like just in a hoodie, or I'm like, you're a fucking clown, dude, dress ridiculous. Look like this. But, entertain me.

1:37:10I see what you're saying, but I don't think so. I think they should dress in any way that feels funny to them. Like if I've gone on stage in suits many times, it's fun, we get a takeout of it. Really? Yeah, there's a photo of us all in Vegas. We did the MGM and I said, dude, we should go and get rat pack like suits. Got some dope fitted suits. And so had David August make everybody suits. We just decided it would look cool. I mean, but imagine. But the difference is trying to be cool. But people interpret when you see someone who's dressed up really nice, always wearing a lot of jewelry or looks very flashy.

1:37:49They're trying to be cool. You wouldn't have fun doing a stand -up set, dress like an alien? No. No, that's too on the nose. But some people are, that's how they like, that's how they feel good. They feel good when they dress nice. They feel good when they wear nice shoes. They feel good when they got a nice watch on. They feel good. So in feeling good, they'll go on stage and they'll perform better. I'm like, this profession is like, it's a clown profession. So I kind of want the outfit to match the, all right. I should go watch Eddie Murphy Delirious. I think he was probably wearing like a leather jumpsuit or something.

1:38:23It was amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. You know, Richard Prior live at the Sunset Strip. He has a blazer and a nice shirt on. You know, it's like guys have, like look at that crazy outfit. It was fucking his zipper all the way down. It was belly button. Yeah, I was like eight when that, when I saw that. Oh my god. I still remember it, you know? That was a classic dude. I mean, people don't know that if Eddie Murphy kept going, there would have been no doubt. There would have been no doubt who the greatest comedian ever was. Eddie Murphy just stopped doing it. If you watch like Eddie Murphy was like a progression from in many ways, like a progression from Richard Prior.

1:39:02Here's the new young Richard Prior style of comedy. And he was so good, man. He was so fucking funny. I'm glad he stopped for another red outfit. Interesting, right? Yeah. Oh, he took so much from Prior. Well, everybody did. Everybody did. Everybody took from Lenny Bruce. Everybody took from Prior. I like the theme of getting out while you're ahead because, you know, there's always like Eddie's going to be back and he's going to kill. I'm like, he already killed. He destroyed and he's a legend and just let him stay that way. This thing where like, why would you say that? This is why that's wrong.

1:39:34He's missing out on the chance to kill. You know, we were all thinking I think the green room the other night and we were laughing. We were just laughing. We had a bunch of really fun shows. We're all hanging out in the green room and we were saying like, imagine living your life and never killing. Never killing on stage. Imagine living your whole life. I'm like, that would suck. The stage just looks different because doesn't he have like 12 kids? Like, don't you think he's like the funniest dad ever? For sure. Like when he's making breakfast. No, listen, that too. You can do that too. You could always do that too.

1:40:06The difference is it's like that guy, we missed out on probably like the greatest talent that ever did stand up. He stopped doing it. Like stand up as an art form. If you go watch Delirious and then listen to his first album, which I think he was like 20 or something like that. Something really young. He's so good. He was just a, just a fucking amazing talent, amazing talent. And he just decided to stop doing it. So that's why I don't agree. Like if that guy just decided to start doing it again now and just started fucking around and people would let him walk on stage with notes. They would let him.

1:40:45You could do whatever they knew. You were just working out on stuff. People would let him do it. Well, this and he would, he would get it again. Like he did a speech once at what was it again for the summer war show. He did the speech where he did a Bill Cosby impression, talked about them taking Bill Cosby's awards way. Mark Twain Awards. It was fucking hilarious. It was like sharp. The timing was on. I was like, if that guy kept doing comedy, there would have been no doubt. He would have been number one of all time. He was incredible. As a fan of comedy and who's watched, like because I have this access that everyone else also has access to all these documentaries and comedies.

1:41:28And this isn't just isolated to comedy. It's to anything, right? Everyone who I know who's a music, like when I heard one by Metallica, there's no YouTube video that shows you how to do double bass. You're like, what the fuck is, you have to figure that out. But now everyone who's spent a lifetime crafting whatever their art is, they're giving it away in a TikTok, right? So when Louis CK has a special, he goes on like 10 podcasts and talks about where the joke comes from, how we can't, like how, so it's like the magician revealing all the magic tricks. And part of that is great because like, you're gonna learn more now from YouTube than you are from like school or anything.

1:42:08But because all the great artists, all the great magicians are giving away their wizardry, like when they do the joke now, you don't, you know, like the surprise is gone. You're like, oh, that's how we did. Like you saw how they made the sausage. So, so as someone who loves comedy, this is how I feel. And look, there's always exceptions to the rule. But most comedy I either feel like they're talking down to me or they're talking at me or they're trying to teach me or they're something like that. I'm like, funny. Number one priority, like jokes laugh. And it's like, let me teach you something. Let me show you what time it is.

1:42:46Let me do this. And I'm like, there's so many podcasts that talk about the art of comedy, the behind the stage, behind the scenes. This is like this working out. And like now is just like a normal dude that doesn't know about, that didn't know any of that shit. There's too much shit. So when I'm like, I just want the joke to just be a joke. Like, what if I knew everything about how Eddie Murphy came up with the raw act? You know, he's like, oh, this happens. Like, does it aid the comedy or does it make it like you're watching a TED talk or something, you know? Well, it depends on how funny it is.

1:43:24Like, there's people that I know, like Shane Gillis, I watch his set over and over and over again because I know it's funny. I know where the jokes are. I still want to see him again and again. They're so funny. It doesn't, I know how the sausage is made. Like, it's not, no one's tricking me. I know what's going on. You're writing jokes and work, but it's when it's really well done, I just want to watch it over and over again. It's like, I know how it's made. I'm still laughing really hard. I know the lines. I'm still laughing. It's a minute. Like you're laughing at us. Fuck dude, man. I love comedy.

1:43:56I love watching it, man. I love, I still enjoy beat. That's like a very important thing. It's like, imagine becoming an artist, but not liking art anymore. You don't like other people's art. That would be ridiculous, but that happens to a lot of comedians. They become comedians and they stop loving stand -up comedy as just someone in the audience. Shit, man, I think you just described me. It's like, I don't like most art. I don't like most of my art, but yeah, I... You can easily get like that with anything. You can easily get like that with anything. You get, I get jaded with, like, I don't watch porn anymore, but I got so jaded with porn.

1:44:32I got jaded with music. I get jaded with, and then I end up going back to like the classics of stuff that is nostalgic or that, or whatever. And I, so as a student of someone who's like, man, fucking life sucks. Let me laugh tonight. And I watch these things. I go, I could see, like, this is a hot take, no disrespect to Chris Rock, but like, I didn't even know Marlon Wayne's was a stand -up comedian. And his take on the whole Will Smith thing was fucking hilarious. And Chris Rocks was like, I don't know. Like, I just didn't do it. I was like, I could see what he's doing. It didn't land for me.

1:45:08And everything I saw on the internet was like, he just bodied Will Smith. He fucking killed him. And I'm like, did he? I don't know, man. And so my feeling, so like, I know what I sound like, the bitter jaded guy, like, art sucks, comedy sucks, whatever. And so I did psychedelics recently. And like I said, I accused you of being an alien last time you're here. And like the person that makes me laugh more than anybody is when I'm fucking on psychedelics and whatever that spirit is that's talking is always like, has the jokes. It has the jokes. And the last time, so this is a reoccurring topic. And once again, I gotta say, this is not like, this is just something I see in my vision quest, right?

1:46:02So I asked the alien last time I go, are you real? Are aliens real? I was like, yeah, it's you motherfucker. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you never wonder why Asians dicks are so small? And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he goes, I go, what the fuck is your problem, dude? He goes, you know what we look like, right? I'm like, yeah, the big eyes, all men eyes like this, bluish gray, no dick, big head, like, you know, like you've all seen that picture. It's like, you know what I look like, motherfucker. And I'm like, stop cussing at me, man. And he goes, we came out to Africa, we saw you fucking hairless little, you know, and we fucked a human, right?

1:46:47This is what it's showing me. It's like, it's not saying we fucked a human. Oh no, it has the filthiest mouth. Really? Like, I'm dying. Like, I'm on the, like, this is what I look like. I'm like, in like, nature, with a shaman in a... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Really? Yeah, I'm like dying. And the thing is like, just nonsense, because everyone's like, oh, I'm gonna have a spiritual experience, like, and it is spiritual, but it's a long trip. So it goes through like hell, heaven, jokes. And he goes, I came down to earth and I fucked your great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother, and I don't have a dick, because we don't fuck with genitals.

1:47:31We fuck, we were mine fuckers. We use our mind, that's how we have sex. And so we're beyond that. And he goes, look in the mirror, bitch. And I go, what? You ever wonder why Koreans have such a big heads? And your eyes are a little bit like this, and your dicks are a little bit smaller, because we didn't have any dicks. Humans had dicks, we melted, and so you have little dicks. And he's like, you never, you never, ever thought about why you're blue? I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes, you never wonder why you were born with a blue ass? And I'm like, what are you talking about, dude?

1:48:01Like I'm like, I'm like on the floor tripping. So I don't know if you know this, a lot of Asians, and they say they call it the gangus con birth bark. Do you know this? No. Okay, it's, they call it, Jamie, look up like blue, Asian, blue birth. So a lot of Asians are born with a giant blue birthmark on their ass. Really? Yeah, and they call it, they say it's all the way back from something gangus con did. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, look, go down. The Mongolian blue spot. Wow. So I was born with a blue ass, Joe. I had a blue fucking ass. And, dude, like Avatar? Dude, straight, I have a picture of my, and this, some have a small one like this, and some of them have, I'm sure you could find blue or ones, but then after like less than a year, it just disappears.

1:48:53So it's called the Mongolian birthmark, and I'd forgot about it till the alien was talking to me. That's amazing. And yeah, there it is. See, mine looked more like that. So I was born with a blue ass. And so they know specifically from genetics that this goes back to the Mongol days? Well, I'm telling you who, who gave me the answer, the, the, the, the, the, the alter that I worship at, nonsense. So the alien goes, you think you just had a blue ass out of nowhere? You're a fucking alien bitch. And I'm like, what? And he goes, I gave you just enough dick to like, you know, like, you don't need a giant dick.

1:49:28It's good. You think you want a giant dick. It's gonna get in the way. I gave you a perfect dick. You fuck people with your mind, and you're fucking, you're not yellow, you're fucking blue. And I was like, oh, it's not a Mongolian birthmark. He's like, bon, go, you're fucking alien birthmark. And I was like, you know, I'm drooling. I'm like, oh, like, and look, I did a horrible job His delivery is way more vulgar. It sounds more like Eddie Murphy and his pr - He's like cussing, and I'm like, I don't know. It's like, in my mind, I'm like, this is not what I was expecting out of this spiritual journey.

1:50:09So, yeah, I mean, it was, you never heard of the Mongolian birthmark? I don't know the exact story, but it's something with like, gang is con or someone did so much fucking that gang is con, apparently did a lot of fucking. Yeah, like, there's some large percentage of the population. That did something to make that birthmark, but it was clarified to me by, that wouldn't really happen. So, that is actually that story. Okay, one Mongolian spot is president over 90 % of Native Americans and people of African descent, over 80 % of Asians, over 70 % of Hispanics, and just under 10 % of fair skinned infants.

1:50:48Huh? You didn't have a blue ass? I don't think so. Nobody told me. Maybe they just kept it from me. My kids had blue asses, yeah, some Mexican stuff. That story he's saying is, in your psychedelic trip, is literally the same story that's in the Sumerian text. That's why when you say, wait, in the Sumerian text, they say Asians are spawns of humans. The humans, the humans that what happened was these advanced beings came down and they manipulated our DNA and added their DNA. But by the way, I have to say this, this is this guy's Zechariah Sitchin and he's very controversial. He's like a legit scholar, rock solid credentials, but he's also like a lot, very controversial.

1:51:33Like there's a, I think there's a whole website called SitchinIsRong .com. Joe, you're talking to some, if that's for your audience, I already believe you're an alien, so you don't need to. Like I'm just telling you. I'm telling the people that this is not, like I think this theory is fun as fuck and I love it, but I don't know if it's true. Like people ask me, like I think one of the most taboo things to talk about today is like, you could talk about fucking or drug, you could talk about anything, but when anyone goes, hey, where's your spirituality at? Or what? It's like conversation stopper, right?

1:52:05Well, you know why? Because anybody who asks it like that is annoying. But like, where's your spirituality at right now? Okay, right. That's like a, it's in my blue asshole. Someone's henpecking you. But like, doing David, but like I never asked you that, like where is, like what is your thoughts on God? I did it, I went there, like. Well, it's considering having a podcast, it's very different than someone just bringing it out of nowhere. I am not an atheist, I've never been an atheist. I've never been someone who says, I know there is no God. Right. What I have been someone who has said that a lot of the stories, there are a lot of the religions clearly have the hand of man on them.

1:52:46There's clearly some description that implies things that are okay to do because of the cultural values of people that lived 3 ,000, 4 ,000 years ago, whenever they wrote this stuff. Clearly, it condone slavery, it can treat women as second -class citizens. There's a lot in these words that clearly have the hand of man. But there's also some inherent deep wisdom and moral scaffolding that would make the world a better place. And almost all of them, there's something there that gives people structure and discipline and connects them in a community of like -minded people who believe the same thing.

1:53:31I think there's a great value to that that's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists. I think there's also a great value in, if you truly believe you're living your life and you're going to be a good person, you're going to go to heaven, you will have that energy through your life. You will be carrying the belief and it will actually aid you in your life. And that if you think there's just pointless, it's all just existential angst and it's okay. You live better if you believe that this is all for a better purpose and this is all a part of God's plan. That might be true, it might not be true.

1:54:14But you live better if you think that way. You can do that and still look at facts and reality and you don't have to be ideologically captured by some writing that was written down thousands of years ago. Right. But you are better off if you believe that this is all for a greater good. Love. Love. Yeah, and that's probably what God really is. God is love. And love is, at its most, pure is a force of creation, a force of like adhesion and bonding of human beings. And we know the opposite. The opposite is what's happening right now in Ukraine. That's the opposite. The opposite is... That's hate.

1:54:58Yeah, that's murder. And fucking whole scale murder. It's wild, Kami war is hell. It's the worst thing. The worst thing that people do. And that exists at the same time on earth with some of the best people enjoying some of the best times together. It's... There's... While you are with your family and you are with your friends and people come over your house and you have dinner and you're laughing and having a good time on some part of the world, someone's drinking out of a puddle. You know? Yeah. Some part of the world, someone's in an apartment building to just got hit by a missile. You know?

1:55:37It's all happening simultaneously but we only have the ability to understand what's happening to us. And we kind of think these things... We know these things are out there because we watch TV and we watch the news. But we don't believe it. It's like, it's not even a... Like there's people that are calling for war in Ukraine. Like you don't even know what you're saying. Like you don't even know what that feeling is. If you knew that would be the last thing you would ever want to happen. I fucking love you, man. Like I love you. I love you too. And you too, Jamie, you fucker. Like I'm not going to leave you out of this.

1:56:12And... Wow. Like I... And part of the thing... I love what you just said right now and part of like the way I pray is creativity. Like when I make something, that's like... That's how I interpret prayer. And what you talked about is like this belief. It's faith, right? So... And part of why... A lot of things I've done in my life people have accused me of being suicidal. Right? They're like, why are you going into MS -13 territory? Why are you going to the Congo? Why are you going to Bosnia? Why are you going to places that are in conflict? And part of that is like, I like it when it hurts. And it's just like I'm attracted towards darkness, or I was.

1:57:02And part of that is just, I don't believe. Like I watch the news, I watch something, and someone tells me, I've been to every state in America. Right? Like most people haven't... Most Americans haven't done that. And is there unrest? Is there racism? Is there... Yes, there is. But when you try to say everything, like try to make it binary and everything in like black or white, like I've had an amazing time in Texas so far. And all these places that are considered racist, yeah, I've experienced that also, but even when I go to like Atlanta at a black mall, I went to the wrong mall, and everyone's yelling shit to me, if I could find one kid and be like, hey, why are you calling me that shit?

1:57:44And then I bond with him. In that moment, I'm just with him. I've used love, he's... and he didn't run away from me. Like him and all of his friends were doing this. They were like, eee, and I was like, this is like 20 years ago. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. And they were yelling. They're literally yelling. You came to the wrong mall, bro. Wrong guy, you know? And I was like, oh shit. And I felt threatened. I felt like, oh shit, like something's about to happen. And this is 1999 or something, you know? And so, because of the religious abuse that I was raised in. And it's crazy because most of the mental health institutions or rehabs I've been into, you've heard about sexual abuse, physical abuse.

1:58:28You've heard of those abuses. I had never heard the word sexual abuse or religious abuse. And I'm like, it's disproportionately a lot of orthodox Catholics, orthodox Jews, hardcore Muslims, hardcore Christians, hardcore Mormons. Like it's just that, that, like, organize. Like you have to be like this or else you're bad. Create so much shame. And I'm like, fuck, God, fuck religion, fuck, but that's like now I've gone the other side towards hate. And I'm like, I'm a loving person. Like I was telling you, like, it's not an accident that you're like the biggest podcast in the world. You're such a sweet loving.

1:59:03You don't like get involved with all this other bullshit podcast drama that all of these are like, you're just loving. You're love. You're lovable. You are love. And so I always go, I tend to be a hater that I'm always pushed to like talk shit or be bitter and fuck everything sucks. And I need love to drag me back. And so part of that is, you know, this is part of 12 step stuff, like higher power and whatever is we like having a team, right? I'm a Christian. Our symbol is this. I have a star. ours has 20 arms and swords. Like everyone wants to have a logo and a t -shirt. And my church is this.

1:59:42Mars are round. Mars are like gothic, you know? And that's good, right? It's good to have that. But I was so jaded and I was so bitter and the guy that was helping me through all my darkness was like, kind of don't care. Kind of don't care if you believe in God or not. It's just like like a fake it till you make it. He's like, I just want you to believe and have the faith. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. I was like, what? He's like, it's just we're talking to you because no one believe you'd be the wealthiest artist in the world except for you. That's insane amount of faith that got you there.

2:00:18No one thought you would do this in your life. No one thought and you were the only one. Maybe your mom. But because you believed it, it happened. So it doesn't matter if 10th planet is ludicrous or the science, like even science is a religion. How many times has science been wrong, right? Well, science is data. Right. It's scientists and their interpretations. It's incorrect or biased. That's the problem. Calling it the science when people say that trust the science. Right. And the scientist is the process. It's a scientific process. So I subscribe to what you said of like that's, you know, sorry to sound like a douche again, but that's where I find my spirituality is like, community.

2:00:59It's what they call, I just learned this third space, right? First space and second space is like, your house is like first space, I think. Second space is like work where you work. And then third space is what people need to like be social, like whether that's a cafe, church, the gym. And third space is the internet now. All right, that's just where everyone congregates. And like, I don't, I do all these limitations on my phone and technology. So it keeps me off social media, it keeps me off all these things. I have a child safe, like, you know, that's because of my addictive nature. But that's where people are.

2:01:36So that's where I have to meet them. So, yeah, the way, and you know, I'm still searching, like, I'm not perfect, obviously, but I try to do anytime something happens and I feel myself going to the dark side, fuck this motherfucker, this, whatever is like, how can I meet you with love? And then I feel better. It's selfishly I feel better. Yeah. It's like, because it's very important. Because so much of, so much of Korean identity is revenge, right? If you watch Old Boy or any Korean show on Netflix, it's all about you tripped me when I was five and now I've spent my entire life figuring it out.

2:02:15You know, right? And so to bring it back to the acting thing, I get this role, right? I play this asshole, like kind of lovable asshole. I just added that. And then I show up to the set. And again, I write a short story back page, like a thing, I'm doing improv, I have all these, and they're like, Dave, can you just do the lines so that other people can go home? Like, no one's asking you to write another, like, and I'm like, I don't know how to not do that, right? So my character is always yelling at my cousin. Doesn't someone know you that works with them that could like talk and go, hey, you gotta let Dave know that you can't invent any new stuff.

2:03:06I put it in the movie. Yeah, I mean, look, it was, I was having like in the same way that as a comic book fan, like I feel like I'm like Aquaman's a douchebag. The Guardians of the Galaxy are like D -list, $44, been the fact that we live in a world now that like Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Iron Man's like the worst, no one reads Iron Man. Like these are like, I used to read Iron Man. You bought issues of Iron Man. So you know the whole Tony Star. Fuck you. Oh, okay. Yeah. You're the, you're a unique person. No. Dude, if you're very popular, Iron Man was super popular when I was a kid. Or you're a little bit older than me, but like most kids, it was Batman, X -Men, Superman, like the, you know.

2:03:52Iron Man was the shit, dude. Iron Man was very popular. The Hulk was very popular. I love the Hulk. Spider -Man was very popular. I was a Marvel guy. I really didn't get into DC comics that much. Fucking love all of it. I love all that shit. But I just never followed them. It's not that I don't like them. I never followed them. But Marvel had a more, Marvel. Marvel had a better buying. Like the awkward teenager that gets the super, you know, like, not that many people are born billionaires that become that, you know, like that's. DC was more, like, I know they're all really old, right? But I think DC, it reminds me of like a different, like a World War II mentality or something.

2:04:32Like the origin stories for these people. Yeah. It was more clunky. Came from another planet, you know, like, Hulk, Hulk's normal dude. Right. It's normal science. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Right. Everyone could buy you on that, right? Everybody must. I'm just the nerd, but don't push me. It's guy gets bit by a radioactive spider. I'm a nerdy teenager. And now his uncle who took care of him gets killed because he callously lets these bad guys run past him. And nobody knows this, but he could actually shoot the webs out of his dick and, and his asshole. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's where spider shoot webs out of, right?

2:05:04The web thing is so ridiculous. Like he invented this shit that's better than anything anyone's ever figured out ever. Like he could be a fucking super billionaire just from that web. Right. Exactly. The idea that we buy into the fact that this fucking college kid invented this stuff that shoots from his wrists and a never -ending supply and allows him to grab buildings and swing. He's shooting these thick ropes out of his wrists and I'm like, bro, if I would buy that all that shit, you know, like, and just. But where's it coming from? Where's all that shit coming from? That's the problem. There's no storage tank on him.

2:05:39He's just shooting these webs and they're just flying off of him from what? Are you making that stuff? Well, the easy, the easy thing is always like he's a genius. The smartest guy on the planet, you know, but if you only invented the web, that guy could invent anything. He'd make anti -matter devices. My point is that smart. My point was the shittiest comics that I didn't read are these billion -dollar like Ant -Man, who the fuck ever read Ant -Man, you know? So in that same kind of feeling. It's just a run out of like superhero narratives. There's, yeah, that might be true. I think it is. And you know what else?

2:06:12I hate to say this. I gotta pee again. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, go do it. Super hydrated. Go do it, man. So yeah, I just found Jamie's was morebious. Morebious was cool. I used to like blade. Blade was my favorite. Oh, blades are the best. Blade was the shitty antique knives. They were knives made out of teakwoods, we could kill vampires. He came out of his mom and just fucking killed her. Like, who's a bad motherfucker? Blade was dope and Wesley Snipes is. That movie, the beginning scene of that movie, where Tracy Lords leads that guy into the middle of this disco and all these vampires are dancing. So blood disco?

2:06:49And all these other vampires. And then the blood starts spraying. Yeah. And it's a fucking amazing scene. It's one of the best scenes in any horror movie ever. It's so cool too. And just the imagery when this guy goes through this and he starts recognizing that it looks like these are human bodies that are hanging from there. I love that you knew that. Oh my god. Tracy Lords. Yeah. You know all the actors. Yeah, this was an amazing scene and then Blade shows up and kills all the vampires. It's fucking incredible man. It's such a good scene. Like to this day, I like, even if I don't watch the whole movie, I'll throw this scene on.

2:07:26Because when the guy realizes that there's blood coming out of the ceiling and then he looks up and he sees the faucet. Blood bad. And it just starts spraying. And the way it's shot is like almost like stop action because you're whoever the director was. They did an amazing job of like setting it up where it's like the chaos of the moment. It's expressed in the way he filmed it. Like for the guy who's getting sprayed with blood surrounded by vampires and freaking out. Like everything's chaotic. He's seeing them dance around their fangs. That's a lot of. Look at it him. That's a lot of blood. That's a lot of a cherry juice or whatever they use.

2:08:08Yeah, whatever they use. Everybody's covered. And so he's trying to get out of there. They're beating the fuck out of them. And when they after they beat the fuck out of them, blade shows up. Yeah, there's neon smart. Like they're ready to kill them. I don't think they're going to make something this blood drenched for kids. I wonder if they're done now with this. There's a new blade that's coming out. Yeah, I heard. I wonder if it's going to be like this though. Higher me as the writer and it'll be good. I mean, this fucking scene's amazing though. This is the first time you see blade. They're all freaking out.

2:08:42The day walker. And they all freak out as soon as they see him. This fucking scene's amazing man.

2:08:57But I just just talking about this. When I'm reflecting on what I like, my superheroes are the whole Spider -Man. You did something to me and now you're going to fucking learn what time it is. In yours, you tend more towards werewolves, blood, vampire. No, you like the monsters, right? I do. You're more of a monster guy. But yeah, my point with all of it was just the fact that I'm a super nerd. I fucking buy original comic art. As someone like that, it's kind of surreal to be in a world where these, like, someone's mom knows who Tony Stark is, right? Like only nerds would know that, right? Right back in the day.

2:09:39So I'm having a very similar feeling on set because I've done artwork or other, I've been on movie sets before. And I've just, I've never been in a scenario where 95 % of beef the Netflix show I did, the cast is Asian. So like, at the height of my gambling, right? When I'm being flown to Macau, when I'm flying and taking every, like, penthouse suite in Vegas, that was a surreal, like, here's a bus full of hookers. Here's every drug you want, even though you don't do drugs. Here's like, everyone's calling me sir, Mr. Cho. Like, that doesn't happen anywhere else in my life, Ipsa for there. And then I arrive on set and like, there's a giant Netflix fruit basket.

2:10:26And like, I like, I like open my water, take a sip, and then like a white guy comes and goes, let me get you a fresh water, sir. And I'm like, dude, it's cool bro. And I'm like, oh, this is why Hollywood people are fucked up because this is not natural. This is fucking weird dude. Like, people are licking my, like, and like, I like it. I'm like, this feels good. But I don't think - I'm glad you said that. Well, the thing I said before about like, Asians, I've only seen them as Kung Fu masters or waiters or nerds. I'm like, oh, I get to play like a real person. And I don't have to like code switch or I don't have to pretend to be this kind of Asian or that, like I'm just me.

2:11:05Right, but the weirdness is the way they treat the stars. Oh, dude, I'm like - It's bizarre. I was like, bro, I'll get my own food, you know? Like, I get to my room and they're like, and it's like, if acting or Hollywood is a religion or cult, like it's just everyone there is buying in, right? Like, the lighting guy wants to be - Well, that's like - If you're an atheist and you're really into acting, right, you know, there's certain people that are your gods, they're your deities. So yeah, I went as someone who, look, I don't know how you perceive me, but I perceive myself over the last, all the spiritual work, all the work I've been doing, all the insane fucking rehabs and mental institutions.

2:11:43I am a fucking chill dude, that's how I feel. But I didn't, that wasn't my role for this character. I had to go back to old 19th. Old days. Yeah, and so now, I'm at with my family at a deli getting a rubin' and you know, my wife's like, that was a very aggressive rubin' order. You know, like, I'm like over here, like, and I kinda don't like how I feel, and I'm like, you know, I'm talking to Ali, I'm talking to Steve, I'm like, I don't know how you guys do this and not lose your mind. They're like, Dave, you don't have to go method. And I go, I don't know how to not do that. Like, I don't have that but - So you're doing math, so you're ordering food in character?

2:12:20I wasn't trying to, it just was, they called it leaking. I was leaking like fucking crazy. Oh, okay. Like I was like that guy because I'm like, yeah, don't do that. And the thing is like, if you're, like I play all day with my kid, right? I'm fucking, I'm playing and then it's fun. It's the objective is fun. But if I'm waving a gun at someone's face and I'm like, fuck you and that, and like Ali wants my friend, I don't wanna fucking yell at my friend. And the guy says, cut, again, fuck you, cut, fuck you, cut. At the end of the day, like I've just been screaming, fuck you, waving a gun. And like, maybe if I grew up as an actor, but like I go, that doesn't feel good.

2:12:59Like my, that doesn't feel good to me. And so I like kind of like lost my mind playing this character. And so I checked myself into a mental hospital for a week. Oh my God, Dave. I was like, like why not? I called this place that I used to go to. Like, so this playing this character, like, I lost my fucking mind. Switch and your brain. I lost my mind. Yeah, I lost my mind. And then I went to the Mississippi, I go there all the time and... Can I talk to you about this? Yes. Just the path of the mind, right? How flexible is the idea of losing your mind? Like is it, when you're at a good state of mind, you're at a good state of mind and something comes along.

2:13:47Like how flexible is your mentality? Does it immediately go into this new groove? Like if you decide you're going to be in character, you're going to play this asshole, does that become you? Like, and how much of who we are, or who we assume we are, is just a program that we're running so that the weirdness of life doesn't give us unbearable anxiety. So we're running a program. And that program is most of your past thoughts and experiences and the things you've learned and done and then interface that with the rest of the world. But if you decide, because you're playing in a role that you're a fucking asshole, like I wonder how much of what we are is choices where for you it was just acting because you wanted to be an asshole for a movie.

2:14:39But for other people, like how much of who you are is because of the way people behave around you. And how will I, how vulnerable are we to other people's behavior and thinking and just like, let's go back to the hot tub where you're talking about these people all eating those brains. For them that is completely normal. It's completely normal. So it doesn't, right. So it doesn't feel bizarre. For you, culturally, you've never experienced this before. You're there, it's wild. You're like, holy shit, this is crazy to see that all of it's crazy to see. But isn't that, that seems to be the fucking case with everything?

2:15:20I think, I think the human mind, like what we accept and what becomes normal to us, I think it's very malleable, really malleable. Oh, I mean, absolutely. And if someone, if you're a really good human or artist that you have walls down and you're like a conduit, then things affect you. If I'm like jaded and my walls are like this, then I could watch a snuff film or like, have the worst shit happen and it's just like, whatever, I could see a guy dying on the street. But what do you think if you did, if you had that way of thinking, you couldn't be creative. It's almost like that way of thinking, like you're putting up a barrier to sensitivity, which is like so important for any kind of art.

2:16:02You have to be sensitive. Well, look, part of just existing, part of existing for me, like people, when I think of like how people are sensitive to racism right now, right? Like I can't believe they made a racist joke or whatever. And I'm like, I grew up in the 80s, the 70s, and the coolest kid at school would be like, David Chao, how do you say your name, Chao Ching Chong? And guess what I would do? If it was like a Disney movie, I would like stand up. Hey, you can't talk to me. That's not what happened. I laughed. I was like, I don't know what to do in this moment. And I don't want to like go against everyone else's laughing.

2:16:40So I guess I'll just laugh. Yeah, yeah. And I'll just laugh. So I'm like laughing at a racist joke in the 80s against me because that's the mask or whatever. And I think what you're asking, it depends how open you are, how sensitive you are to other people's energies. And also just quite frankly, if you're an addict or not, if you have that addict. But you become another person while playing a person. Like this is a narrative in movies where a pandemic hits and then a person becomes a savage. Like that is in the last of us. Right. That the gentleman Piscale, what is his name? Pedro Piscale. Pedro Piscale.

2:17:18Amazing in that show. Yeah. But that's the role he was a normal guy. Right. And then all of a sudden, you know, we're spoiler alert, he's not a normal guy by the way of the show. Right. That this, that human beings can become other things. Very quickly, very quickly. That's what's so weird about me. I mean, you saw you weren't like, were you in LA when the pandemic started? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like you go from normal to about to kill someone over toilet paper. Yeah. That what was that a week into the pandemic? It wasn't very long. Yeah. And there was no real disruptions, no real disruptions, disruptions to work.

2:17:54But what I'm saying is like food was available. Right. And the power was on. Right. You know, what got crazy during that time was even under the best case scenario of a total disruption of the country. Because the best case scenario would be it's not for a war, it's not, you know, like the power doesn't go out. Like there's a lot of scenarios that you could see way worse than what the pandemic was. But look at the fucking damage it did. Right. Look at the damage it did to people psychologically. Look at the damage it did to the two businesses, to small businesses. Look at the damage it did to information.

2:18:33Look at the damage it did to, you know, propaganda and the way people think about the news. I mean, look at the damage it did to the idea that the people that are running the country have a good sense of how to take care of things like this. I mean, fear, I mean, fear real or imagined is, I mean, there's a quote about it where like most, like most of these things that you're scared of will almost never happen, right? So you live a life like wound up guns, you're like ready for the worst thing and it'll never happen. But that's before the pandemic. Right. See, there's people that were like that already.

2:19:11Yes. And then the pandemic came along and cracked them. Yeah. And there's all that. I was looking at, I was looking at Tanks on Craigslist. I was like, I'm gonna buy a tank, dude. There's a lot of people that are like, I was looking at that, I was looking at that helicopter where a tank could go into. I was looking on websites for that. Well, that's why we freak out at things like the Walking Dead because we know that, well, it's, if things go south, people will revert to their worst instincts quickly when there's no internet and there's no way to share information and communicate that someone did this and this happened.

2:19:43And if there's no like, like you could take a film of someone murdering someone and then they could catch that guy from the news. I mean, that happens now, right? But if you're in Walking Dead times, there's no power. Right. So no one knows what the fuck is going on and the only way people organize, they get together and they yell. Some guy yells at a group of people and then they do barbaric shit. And this is what the nature of human beings has been for many thousands of years. That's why it's so easy for us to like snap back into us. Right. And culturally, there's a reason why we like superheroes because we want someone to come save us.

2:20:23Exactly. Culturally, there's a reason why zombies are fucking so big right now, right? Zombies weren't this big back, you know? It's because when you see a new movie, new sci -fi, it's always post -apocalyptic, post -apocalyptic, post -apocalyptic. It's on our minds. It's like working on a fucking stuff. It's heading this way and it's, look, as someone who was raised in the church, the apocalypse revelations is the shortest book in the Bible. So you're like, you go, oh, it's like just like 20 pages or whatever. The, what happens in those 20 pages like spans thousands of years. So we, a lot of people discuss that we're in that now, right?

2:21:01So people go, oh, AI like this and that and, you know, whatever, I'm sure you have way smarter people to talk about that. But I go back to, that's one by Metallica. And if we can go back to early 2000s, that's Lars Ulrich from Metallica, trying to sue, or all of Metallica, trying to sue Sean Parker at Napster. And it's like, Jeanne's out of the bag, bro. Like you can't control that. Like that's, I think they didn't have any idea what was coming nor how could they, right? And so we really thought that that was just, it's so difficult to see where like one invention goes. If it was just Napster and that was it for the end of time, right?

2:21:44But it's the thing that never loses technology. There's no stopping it, right? And it's like, what do you? And so that's actually when at the first time Sean Parker reached out to me and he's like, bro, I want to get a painting for you from you, but I'm being sued for a trillion dollars right now from like every single, and you know, whatever they got out of that. But I'm saying it had the, the Jeanne was out of the box, the Pandora's box, whatever. And, and so that was back then, right? And now we live in an age where most kids don't pay. Like if I wanted to listen to music, I had to take a risk and buy something at Tower Records, get a job and then shit man, the single was good and the rest of that, you know, like you had to risk.

2:22:22But now because we have access to all the porn, all the documentaries, all the comedy, all the music, it's like in that way everyone's wealthy, right? Anybody can have access to anything or find a way to steal it or have it with very low risk of getting caught, right? And so people don't understand, we have what's out AI for the consumers, right? But some of the people we know, like the shit is bonkers, dude. And I talked to Jamie about it, like you will never fucking be able to believe, like I could come home and be like, AI suck my dick, AI, I want to listen to Carpenters, but I want iced tea to sing it.

2:23:00AI, my dad was like really shitty to me, put him up, hologram, have him say all the apologies I wish he said, but he never said AI, Ozarks, but all Asian, change the ending to the sprannos, deep fake, like that's coming, that's here, it's not perfect yet. And so what does it do? It brings the temperature of the fear up, right? Like a lot of my friends have lost their jobs. A lot, if I was still trying to sell art, I'd be fucking out of a job. Like AI paints way better than I do. And so what did Metallica have to do? Tour, right? ACDC's stones like 90 years old, still fucking touring. And so it's like what we were saying again, that's here now, you could sign papers and shit to try to make that go away.

2:23:49That's a fucking insane monster that's here now. And of course we would love it if it was best case scenario and it was here to aid humanity and do all that, but we've seen enough terminators, like the things, it's a human that made that, right? So it's gonna probably be really racist. It's probably gonna be super sexist. It's probably gonna be like psychopathic. It's probably gonna, and so I go, I could go to fear, I could go to hate, or I could go to acceptance, adapting and our religion of love. And so whatever that, whatever, like that's a gift, if you're like working at a job and you're like, well, AI is self -driving car now.

2:24:31I'm out of my truck driving job or I've learned my whole life how to like edit sound and now that's done. Like all that, it's almost like freeing you to be the whatever is coming next. And so whatever your version of touring is, right? Which is the third space again, it's human connection. Like you can't make, if you're, forget Metallica, if you're like a new band, most people aren't buying CDs, tapes, records, so you have to sell merch, you have to go out, you have to perform, you have to meet people, you have to have connection. So whatever that version of that is for you as a human, no more, like you're gonna have to move away from technology and more to human connection.

2:25:12That's my belief on it because it's fucking scary as shit. And I could choose to live in fear and be scared. Or like, like people are losing their livelihoods that they spent their life on. Yeah, that aspect of it is terrifying because people aren't stable financially enough to deal with the entire industry going away. I fired my lawyer. Like I asked chat GBT, like my lawyer costs 600 bucks every time I pick up the phone. And I was like, as a test, like here's the questions. And you know, I always got to do 10 minutes of small talk. I'm like, that's 100 bucks right there. You know, I don't care about your kids, dude, just tell me what I want to know.

2:25:52So he gave me a very similar answer than the chat GBT. I'm like, that's the phone call I'm never gonna have to make again. Wow. Boom, done. The guy that does like, you know, but now that guy's free to pursue the next chapter of his life, you know, whatever. If something's available, the problem is what, you know, people like Andrew Yang were worried about was this mass disruption of our economy where automated things and things done through AI remove most jobs. And so we have this abundance of wealth that's available to things like the war in Ukraine and some other stuff. We need to consider something like a universal basic income.

2:26:33So it's not saying that just for people to never work, you don't have to work, we'll just give you money. That's not what it is. Like you have to figure out a way to give people enough money to survive if everything goes away because everything might go away. That's where it's sketchy. And what's really sketchy is what we might be doing is making a new life form. And I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I think we're an electronic caterpillar that's gonna become a butterfly. I think we're not gonna be people anymore. And I think there's gonna be a transitionary period where people are cyborgs and they integrate with technology and it becomes mandatory because everybody does it just like everybody has a smartphone.

2:27:14And then it's gonna get to a point in time where they're gonna be able to figure out how to either replicate consciousness or transport consciousness. Like this is the Ray Curse Wild stuff. Ray Curse Wild believes that you're going to be able to download whatever consciousness is into some new form of whatever it is, quantum computing or something. It's coming. It may be coming. It may be coming. And this is what I think it does. I think it makes a better version of it and that makes a better version of that. And I think it happens really quickly. And I think it basically becomes God. I think it basically becomes a creative force of the universe.

2:27:48If something just becomes infinitely more capable of manipulating its environment and change. Or like a human being. Well, we have done the most devastating thing we've ever done by far is create atomic bombs. We've created a device that have dropped upon the city and vaporizes everything. It's the most fucking insane thing people have ever done. But we did it and we can't put that genie back in the bottle. Right, it exists. That's a thing that exists. And if we could do that, what could something that is as far evolve past us as we are from lower primates? What if there's some new version of humans that's like a cyborg that integrates with technology, like integrates with some insane computer bank that has the ability to manipulate everything, manipulate gravity, create portals, travel through space instantaneously to grasp ideas that are beyond our comprehension right now.

2:28:52It's not, if you keep going a thousand years, it's not like we're gonna figure everything out and just be stuck. No, they're gonna each invention, each technological innovation will compound upon the other ones. And we're going to get to some place that's impossible for us to imagine today. Oh yeah, impossible. Just like, shits about to get weird. Yeah. Like when fucking weird. When we were kids, like there was a commercial that I just saw somebody put up on Twitter, it was hilarious. It was a device that people had back in the day where it was like Velcro on your phone and you would slap this thing that's like a headset and you would put it on so that you could talk on your home phone while you're like doing the dishes and shit.

2:29:35And I was like, they thought that was the shit. It looks so dumb. But that's what I'm saying. Like my dad is old, but like sometimes I work with like older people and like say you're 90 years old, so your life is candlelight, no electricity. Like if you're like almost a hundred years old, that was your reality, right? You lived in a time pre -internet, pre -cars, horse and buggy candlelight. And if you're still alive today, they're in that's like there's a fucking world now where there's postmates Uber, fucking everything like self -driving cars. Like this world looks fucking insane to those people, right?

2:30:13It looks fucking insane, right? So that's what... That's the thing. This is the thing like the Velcro's just slaps. Look at that headset. One size fits all. Look at this. Stays firmly in place. Look at this shit. Oh, I gotta get that. Bro, this guy's washing his slick 1984 car. 1993. Wow, look at that. 1993's not that long ago. Not that long ago, man. Not that long ago. And that was like the coolest shit that anybody figured out. That looks like 70's or so. Bro, I used to have a headset. I used to have a wireless phone. Like a wireless phone that would clip to my belt with a belt buckle. Like this, baby?

2:30:49And then I had like a headset. There was one of those office headsets that like a secretary would use. And I would walk around my house, talk to the phone, I thought it was this shit, bro. Wow. I got a headphone. You were the shit. My wireless phone is on my belt. I'm reading a book right now. I'm listening to a book or something. Okay. It's called Desolving Illusions. It's all about disease. And it's about the early days of the 20th century and how horrific the conditions were in cities. And how people lived and just filth, it's so sad, man. And to hear about these children that were forced into labor at like eight years old on coal mines, it's fucking horrendous.

2:31:32That's why we're a reminder of what's possible. Exactly. When you look at that and you look at today in a way like, if you live in like a modern city, like even a homeless guy's rich compared to that, right? Yeah, this book is, let me give the author's name. Just give him a note. Homeless or not. There it is. Oh, you got it? That's it. Yeah. Suzanne Humphries MD. And how do you say this gentleman's name? Robin Bistriank. I agree. Bistriank. B -Y -S -T -R -S -E -N -Y -K. Bistriank. Suzanne Humphries MD and Roman Bistriank. Bistriank. Yeah, so it's dissolving illusions, disease, vaccines, and the forgotten history.

2:32:11And it's all just about, you know, like, well, at the beginning of the part I'm at right now, it's just like you're a horrific. It's like, you can't even, yeah, like the... It's the conditions that people had to live in and that everyone lived in back then. It's just so disturbing. It's so disturbing because you realize that like, these people were just poor. And they were just stuffed into these areas and everybody lived like this. And they were all just in each other's filth and awe. So in the same way, if you lived in that, you would never imagine we would be like this. Right. Where we are now, we'll never imagine what's coming and what we know little of is frightening.

2:32:47Yeah. I mean, I'm guilty. Like, I know what... I know you like samarise. I know you like aliens. But I know you don't like the nerd shit I'm into. What kind of nerd shit are you into? How do you know I don't like it? You like Legos? No. So there's an AI. I'm not interested in anything that doesn't do the job perfect every time. Okay. It's always gonna leave these weird fucking door doors. But I'm sure you've seen it. There's so much AI of like you talking to Jordan Peterson or like someone else talking about like very specific nerd details of Bionicle Legos or D &D. Like shit that you don't normally talk about.

2:33:23I'm gonna show you something. And it's like hilarious. I'm like, I like, you know, I'm like, I know it's like my brain knows it's not real. But I'm like, wow, Joe's talking really like, you know, really like super into curious about Legos right now. No, not that interested in Legos. Yeah, I know you're not. I think they're cool. I love them when I was a kid. I wanna send you this thing, Jamie. This is artist who makes these things out of chocolate. It's fucking incredible. I mean, like one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Like I can't believe this guy can do this. And I wanna know how long it takes it because it's one of them TikTok style videos where you only see like clip after clip after clip.

2:34:01And it's like very condensed version of how he does this. But this guy is an artist who makes stuff out of chocolate and he made a fucking raptor like a Jurassic Park raptor. And it's big. Look at this. Check this out. Go big with that. So you can see this. This is fucking insane with this guy's doing. He's making molds. Like it's smile. Oh, he's having a great time. Well, he knows it's dope. He knows he makes dope shit. Oh my god. This guy makes dope shit, dude. Look at this man. This is the biggest fucking chocolate I've ever seen in my life. This is all chocolate. You could eat that thing. How could you eat it, though?

2:34:39How could you? Or how could you not? How could you not? You're Captain Chaos. How could you not eat it? You'd have to eat it, right? Look how beautiful this is, though. Look, look at the talons. He's putting it in. This guy's fucking amazing. Wow. What is his name? Armory Guchion.

2:35:01AMA URYGUI CHOM. I don't know where he's from. I just found this yesterday. What the fucking eye moves? Dude. It rolls around inside the head. He's got it like loosen there. Look at that man. That's chocolate. But like all this stuff's incredible, too. Where is he from? Says, uh, yeah, I don't know. He's in America. I don't know where he is. He's got a lot of countries up up up up up on there. So he must perform in different places and put those things together. But that's like some of the most incredible shit I've ever seen. And that's total next level stuff, right? I've never, I don't know if other people are doing this because I'm ignorant to it.

2:35:41But I've never seen a chocolate fucking raptor like that. Well, like that's amazing. The sculpture you have right there. Oh, yeah, that's amazing. But could be 3D printed, right? Oh, I don't know how he makes it. But it's an artist in Japan. No, I'm like, I'm guessing that he actually made that with his hands, but I'm saying we are like that chocolate guy. Right, right. That could be 3D printed. Right, it could be. So I'm like, the world, right? Well, this could be done now in an easy way, but you wouldn't value it. Well, maybe we wouldn't, but kids don't give a shit, right? Like, you know, some people do.

2:36:15Like, like, it means a lot in some circles. This could be an awkward conversation. Uh oh. Like Jamie's job is probably going to be irrelevant if it isn't already. No, no, no, no, no. I've got three years or so. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Half of this show is the fun of pull that up, Jamie. And then, and I'm like, what kind of bullshit ass link is this? Find me some shit on Doug's .go. Let's, there could be a good AI. That could be fucked up. So that's my whole history of feed it to this is. Listen, that's what I'm saying. It's like, no chance. No, because everyone's going to want to know that Jamie's here.

2:36:49Right, exactly. So even if that's what I'm saying, yes. You still want the human context, right? Like if the AI is here and it's like every single editing bring that up, Jamie, and maybe even you can trick them. There's a deep fake voice that's doing like, all right, Joe, or whatever, like you would still for you. You'd be like, I like Jamie as a person. Like, I want him here. I like him, you know, well, it's an intangible part of the vibe. Right. If you just decide that that's not a part of the vibe and Jamie's not here anymore, I would feel it. I would feel a loss. Right. I'll make you do it.

2:37:20I love you, Jamie. There's a thing about things that people do. And this is like the concern about AI art. And I know a lot of people have concerns about AI art. And I get where they're coming from it, particularly with taking jobs away from illustrators. And it's going to be a problem. If it's not already a problem, it is a problem. There's a thing. I'm sure it's a problem. I don't know why I'm hedging that. But there's a thing that people really love about. I love things that someone made. Like to me, that's fucking giant. That means everything to me. Like this thing, this is by this guy, Shane against the machine.

2:37:54And this is a chimpanzee skull that's made from zilgen symbols. I fucking love this thing. This guy makes shit. Like you go to his Instagram page and he's made a piece. You could see the texture of the symbol. You couldn't, if you did that with a 3D printer, it wouldn't mean anything. It would still be dope. Like if someone gave me that and it was 3D printed, I'd still think it was dope. But knowing that a guy made it, it's way more dope. And that's what we're moving towards is. Eh, I don't think you and I are. And I think as long as we can express value. No, I'm saying we're moving towards years.

2:38:25You're gonna have to make stuff by, like, it's gonna be less, it'll mean more. Yeah, it'll mean more. It means more, it's real. This is this guy's version of like Metallica tour. Like you have to, Exactly. You could mass produce shit, but that's gonna have less value to someone like me. It's a giant thing in the world of pool cues. In the world of pool cues, there's computer -made pool cues. Yeah. Where they're made on this lathe, and it doesn't ever fuck up. And it's really, in those pool cues, it's just about design. Right. And just beautiful execution. But in the world of handmade pool cues, there's some motherfuckers that are like cutting.

2:39:01There's this guy named, well, my buddy John Schoenman's with best examples. He makes pool cues where they are cutting these points into this wood, and they have all these layers of wood. And it's a big block, and they spin it on a lathe until it becomes the perfect diameter. And they make sure the wood has a good harmonic sound to it, they're like, don't get on the concrete to get a sound. My friend, Eric Crisp, he takes every shaft, and he dinks, he listens to the sound that it makes when it bounces off the cement. So once they know they have the right harmony, and that the woods, the harmony, the woods go together.

2:39:38So the artisanal pool cue guy, Yeah. Yeah. Is like how many of those are in the world? There's quite a few. There is. Yeah, I mean, not in compared to like how many lawyers there are. Right. I mean, there's, but there's dozens, there's dozens all over the world. And there's a lot in Japan too. There's this one company called ZenQs out of Japan that's doing fucking phenomenal stuff, like super artistic shit, and pool cues. But the rate at which, you know, like, I started earlier with you today talking about, like how I figured out the money game or the thing like the AI could figure that out in two seconds, right?

2:40:14Like a catfish the shit out of anyone. So in that same way, it will figure out how to make imperfect stuff to give it a handmade look. And then I honestly think you're good. So then the value will be in the documentation of it. Yeah, so here's, there's a go to North demon cues. There's this guy in China that makes these fucking beautiful pool cues. And he documents a lot of the construction of it and I was at least tiny little things that he's in laying in there with silver and copper and he's setting it all, look at this fucking gorgeous work man. Wow. This guy's doing this, I mean, there's photos of his lab where he puts all this stuff together, but his cues are fucking gorgeous.

2:40:58Beautiful. Their works of art and they play really good too. It's like crazy combination because you can't just have that. It has to be balanced. It has to have a feel when you drive through the ball. And you can make amazing stuff with computers. You can make amazing stuff with machines, but you're not gonna feel it in your hand and know that a man on the other side of the world constructed this and he did it in his workshop and he did it with machines like sanding things and sawing things and lining it up perfectly. Right, so someone who's in the position of like, that's my passion or my hobby.

2:41:35I love making handmade pool cues, but that doesn't really pay the bills. So I'm gonna go towards law school. Like now that your job is taken away, it's gonna push this, this is what I, one theory that could happen or one path. Well, let me just stop you right there. Because the world of pool cues, those guys have like a three year waiting list. That's what I'm saying. Some of them have a 10th, Southwest cues might have a 16 year waiting list. But that's like with any specialty thing, right? The guy who hand makes knives or jackets or whatever. Like the ones that are the best will always have a, but like if you're out there right now and you're like, fuck, I gotta, if this is moving towards cyborg God level and it's not evil and it's not trying to kill us and it does make the world a better place where it's like 3D printing houses for everyone and figuring out how to grow its own food and you don't actually need to make that much money because it's like providing for you.

2:42:25Then you're gonna have to figure out how to like, be a person and live with, and like, you know, have a Jamie or have friends and you know, more human experiences instead of just living online all the time. My legitimate concern is we're gonna be amongst the last of the people. That's my legitimate concern. My legitimate concern is we, the idea that we would never be here is so outside of the realm of possibility that we don't even think about it. But I think if you think about all the other planets that don't have any life and the idea that this one life is gonna prevail white just because it's awesome we're awesome.

2:42:59Like I don't believe that. And whether it's by nuclear disaster, you know, whether it's war, nuclear war, whether it's some horrific natural disaster, whatever it is, it easily could happen. And the idea that it wouldn't, but this thing that we create, if we create this thing and this thing figures out the possibilities of these things happening and also figures out asteroids that are coming that we aren't aware of because we don't have the capability but it does so it figures out a better way to detect asteroids and then a better way to deflect them and then can protect the Earth and make sure that at least that aspect of the natural disaster problem chart is gonna be solved.

2:43:41Okay, now we know we have an iron shield like Jerusalem has. We have an iron shield over the Earth and no asteroids ever gonna fuck us up. So now we gotta deal with super volcanoes. Maybe AI can do that. Maybe AI can say, you know what, if we just drill in from under the ocean in this direction, we can leave some of the pressure by having the lava go into the ocean and then it'll stop this idea of having a fucking called Dara super volcano that wipes out everything on the continent because those happen all the time too. Those happen every, you know, whatever, a million years or so. So are you scared?

2:44:11You're, I mean, not scared. I'm in acknowledgment of the, just the full scope of possibilities but I'm also acutely aware that I have a desire to think that everything's gonna be okay because I'm okay right now and I think everybody has that feeling. I think that's a human feeling. But that's why you don't think about things like asteroid impacts. But if we play out what you just said, if we buy in that, this is it. Like we're the last of the, this. We might not be. We might not be. But let's just say it is. Then what should we be doing with our time? Nothing. Just enjoy your life. Definitely enjoy your life.

2:44:46Now to go to the end thing, you're gonna be able to do to stop the progression. Party up in here. It's like stop in the rain. You're not gonna stop the rain. Once it starts raining, you know, it's not, you're not stopping it. It'll stop on its own. It's the dudes playing their instruments as the Titanic is thinking. It's like, if it's happening, you could panic and try to get to Mars or in the lifeboat or whatever, or you could just be like, it's here. It's just one of many possibilities. There's other possibilities too. One of them might be that we embrace psychedelics and we change culture and human being start behaving in a way that's more consistent with what we would like to see from an advanced civilization.

2:45:21I just had Rick Doblin on my. I did too. I just had him on too. This Mike smells like Rick Doblin. That guy. He's the best. He's been in the trenches for decades. Hearing him say that he decided to get into psychedelic therapy when he was like 18, 19 years old, I'm like, how did you? How did it, it wasn't even legal back then. But this guy's been on that grind forever. So the only like, I don't fucking know a shit about NFTs, but I made one and just for, it's like buying a painting where I paint over like 20 times. And I donated all that to maps. And like, that's awesome. Like Rick, like psychedelics saved my life.

2:46:00It's like connected me to like a part of myself. I would never get to through Western therapy or whatever. So I've known Rick for a while, you know, we talk here and there. And I said, hey, I have a show called The Cho Show. You want to come on. And he came in and like because he's been in the trenches because he's this close to getting it, he went into like kind of politician mode and like, bro, like you could do that on any other show like. Yeah. What's the like the most intimate thing we can do? Like I'm not trying to fuck you or anything like that. Shuttle down. And I said, you know, a lot of people, like for me, the most intimate thing you can do with someone is like touch their face.

2:46:39Like, you know, so we touched each other's faces for like 20 minutes. And then the reason MDMA guy, that's normal. We were tripping on him. I didn't have to, you know, he's like, let's do it. So he touched my face and I closed my eyes and I was like, this guy and like, I had a, like you could save the bullshit. I had a deeper conversation doing that than if we actually exchange words. So we touched our face for a long time and then when he started talking to me and look, like I want to have fun. Like show me how to have fun. Like it's just life just grinds you down and it's all about, you know, people say that's the journey from your head to the heart is the longest journey you'll take in your life and it's been true for me.

2:47:22I like that. Because everything is like people apply way too much logic right? They're like, how come, what the fuck's that? Like the stats, it doesn't match up, it doesn't make it. I'm like, feeling, we're so far from feeling. So I just want it. I was like, I have you on Rick. I want to feel you. He touched my face. I touched his face. And then we just talked in gibberish for like an hour. Like, and like I, you could say we're silly goofing off which that's part of it. But it's like in the times where words have failed me. Like I can never like fully, I always feel that. I can sometimes get closer when I paint or do something like where I express my art, but like talking has limited me in times.

2:48:02And so for me to talk to him in like, hutts or tongs or some weird shit that just came out of me and just came, I mean, that guy's the master. And I just felt like so connected to him in that moment. And I was like, I was like, what else is there to say? You know, that guy is so valuable. He's the best. His work is so valuable. He's the man. And what I was saying earlier, I didn't mean that like, somehow know that it's going to stop the inevitable that if we embrace psychedelics, but I do think it would be, it'd be very beneficial if we did it in a way where people who understood how to do it were administrating it to more people.

2:48:38Not for everybody. I'm not saying it's for everybody, but it's for a lot of people. Well, the thing they say, but I think is even if we do that, we're still faced with this fucking real crisis of artificial intelligence. It's a real crisis. Because if it gets switched, if it goes to that thing, does whatever it wants, we have zero to do. We have nothing to say. We are now the inferior species. We are 100 % at the mercy of our robot overlords. Right. And that was, you know, Marshall McCluen had a fucking amazing quote from the 1960s, said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. Isn't that amazing?

2:49:20It might be true. It might be. McCluen wrote that in like the 60s. I don't think a pair, am I paraphrasing that? I don't think I am. It sounds good. I think that's exactly how he said it. But like that is what we do, man. And if that's what we do, like there's so many instances of that in nature, where a thing becomes another thing. The caterpillar has no fucking idea what it's doing when it's making it cocoon. It's just doing it. It doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand that it's making a protective air, at least we don't think it does, as the ability to make a protective casing in which it's going to morph and change into a completely different thing with fucking wings.

2:50:00I mean, that's, then it's going to pop out of that thing and fly away. Like the most universally regarded as beautiful insect that we have. So in the same way, like a weightlifting dude in the 50s would not recognize like a roided out like modern super boss guy, they would be bad. We're not going to recognize what humans are going to. They're way more of a jump. Way more. It'll be a way more of a jump. It might be a jump outside of the biological. Hey, when you get your wings and I get my wings, we're going to fly. We're going to have a good time. We're going to fly. We're probably going to fly without going anywhere.

2:50:29That's what's going to be really weird. I think human beings are going to be able to do things that if we stop and think about it right now, seems ridiculous. I think we're going to be able to make contact with other life forms. Here it goes. Man becomes as it were, the sex organs of the machine world, as the bee of the plant world enabling it to fund for condate and evolve ever new forms. The machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires namely and providing him with wealth. That's from understanding media. 1964. Jesus. McClune was brilliant. Brilliant. But that quote, human beings are the machine, the machine world sex organs, it's such a nutty thing to think.

2:51:18But man, it's in nature. It's in so many different forms of life where one form of life takes over another form of life and uses it to birth a new thing, like aquatic worms that convince a grasshopper to jump into a pool and drown so that it can be born. You've seen those, right? Yeah. That shit exists all throughout nature. Maybe the lure of your phone, oh, six hours a day. What you just described right now is actually how I view you. Right? What? Oh, no. No, I mean, in a, well, look, I also view myself that way, but you are not the same, you know, like, people can see someone and see them physically.

2:51:57But like when I see you and I say you're beautiful, like I see your soul, which someone could be like that's some hippie -dippy shit. But I feel energies. Like once, you could use your words, like I'm not like, like I'm not an intellect scholar or whatever, so you could destroy me, like in a verbal thing or someone smarter, but like I'm like, what, like I'm always like, what were you coming from? What's your soul telling me, right? So you're not the same person that you were 10 years ago, five minutes ago, right? So I feel like, I don't want to call it a parasite, but like something, you're in touch, like you're in touch with something that's created this newest form of Joe that I'm meeting today.

2:52:35That's not the same guy I met like 15 years ago. It's just constant work. Constant work and constant thinking. And I spend a lot of time evaluating my thoughts. Yeah. I spend a lot of time evaluating my, why I think about things and what I'm thinking. And whether or not I'm being influenced or whether or not I'm being egoistic or confused and like, why do I behave the way I behave? Like what could I do better? And I'm always thinking about it. And you were, and that's head stuff, right? And you're already thinking about it, but then to do psychedelics, would you agree, like sent it even like, right?

2:53:12So marijuana first, marijuana first changed it. And then I think there's a lot of people that go through life without any perturbeds of normal consciousness that are missing out on the possibilities of looking at yourself in a way that you can't do without a psychedelic. Or I've never been able to do it. Maybe you can do it with yoga or some forms of meditation. I don't want to say you can't do it. I said, but I will say I've never done it. So I've never experienced like the revelations that I've had about life through any other form. Other than maybe, I mean, there's love and childbirth and there's some pretty profound moments that seem very psychedelic in life.

2:53:51To childbirth seems very psychedelic. That's the most real thing ever. We see a baby born into the world and the love that you have is like, you're on a drug. It's so bizarre. It's so bizarrely psychedelic. But there's a bunch of those experiences that transcend us in the regular world. For some people, it's a near death experience. Some people it's coming back from something where they realize like, oh my God, I almost lost everything. And now I have a newfound love and appreciation for the world. But I think psychedelics do that without the harm. And even though you did, so you've done your own psychedelics, we've never done it together.

2:54:23I've done it, but because you've done those things and I've done them, now we have a shared language when we meet where it's almost to me might not be for you kind of telepathic. And it's like, I've almost died multiple times. I've had children. I've had all those amazing and you're right. Those create a euphoric drug like and psychedelics surpasses that by like, for me, like. What's a different thing? It's a different thing because it's not in this material realm. It's this thing of whatever that dimension of thought and beings and consciousness is. I don't know what that is, but it doesn't exist here, right?

2:55:02So you can only take the information that you get from that and bring it back to here. I think that's where a lot of people lose some of it. Like it's hard to take that experience and like how do you apply some of that to your life without like recognizing that the way you're living currently is not optimal. Can I tell you what one of those things was for me? Very, very recently. Do you believe have to be again? Go pee. I'm not being so much. It's preposterous. But I'll pee one more time. I'll wrap this up. OK. This is something I can't, when I watch it on YouTube or on Spotify, I don't see. But like that painting of you, like I always thought that line coming, I thought it was like you had a rat tail like Anakin Skywalker or something.

2:55:43And it's a broken wire. Yeah, the wire. Yeah, so let me tell you something. So going back to aliens and God and the spirit world being like funnier than any comedian I've ever met. That's hilarious. So what you're just telling me? I'm going to tell people though, before you did stand up. And it was very funny. You just stand up. You only did it once. And you did it like it was at UCLA, right? Yeah. And I watched it. I watched it whole day. I did it three times. I did it three times. At that time, I think that was the first time you did it. Yeah. You were in the blue suit. Was it a blue suit? Red suit.

2:56:22That's right. Dude, it was very funny. Thank you. It was good. I was like, this guy could be a comic. Thank you. And I remember I called you and I told you that. Wow. Yeah. Thank you so much. You could do that. You're one of those weird fucking dudes. Like Howard Stern. When you start painting, you could do. But I think most of us are like that. I just go all in. I know. But that you do. But that same reason, I know I'm kind of joking with you. Why do you think that you can win fucking survivor? Because there's other people like you out there. But I love the fact that you don't think there is.

2:56:52Can you tell me if this is true? I heard that your new comedy club, which I can't wait to check out. Like you have to put your phone into that lock thing before you go in. Just hearing that, like just like when I did, yeah, there was cell phones the first time I did it. But like I just to know that you could literally say anything. You could say anything. And it's not going to come. You know, and maybe a show. Dude, like it's. We'll put you in the little room. It's a lot of the little room. The little room is the shit. It's the fucking most honest room in the world. 120 seats. It's fucking incredible.

2:57:24You're in there. You're in there. Wow. You're in your office. Thinking about doing stand up is probably the same reason why I still work out at like the worst 24 hour. This is what I'm trying to do to you. I'm trying to get you to move to Austin, do you get to and do stand up? What am I trying to do to him? In, in, in. But to go back before P break, the thing I wanted to say. Aliens. Okay. So my life or my experience or my journey with psychedelics is 35 was the first time I ever did anything. Like I had never done drugs and maybe I smoked weed once with BJ Penn. Like, people are something, but I did it once.

2:57:58He's like, you're not going to smoke with the champ, bro. And I'm like, you got to smoke with BJ. Oh, man. I took, it's like smoke with Snoop Dogg. I took one hit of whatever, how powerful that shit was and I couldn't move. So that was it. When did you meet BJ? I met BJ through Pat from Ruka 20 years ago. Maybe like BJ. So you met BJ when BJ was in his prime. Oh, yeah. BJ Penn is prime to this day. I think there was a couple of years of BJ Penn that I would put up against. I would like to see him against anybody at 155 pounds. The prodigy. The prodigy. He just, people, they, they only look at like bad performances.

2:58:35And I said this to BJ when he was on the podcast. If you just look at the elite ones, he was so good. He was so good. And he, when he was really fit, like when he was doing his strength and conditioning with the Marinavitches, like during the Sean Shirk fight and the Diego. Sanchez fight. Bro. BJ was a motherfucker. But I know you didn't like how I said Eddie Murphy should quit when he, whatever. When I look at my friend like BJ Penn or someone like Connor McGregor or Anderson. So people that just killed it, right? They just, they took it elevated it from like, right, but why is it? Why quit? It's the most fun thing ever.

2:59:12This is what you don't understand. Like, there's, that's the most fun thing to do. It's the most fun. But losing is fun. It's not always losing. But like at the end when they're, they keep thinking they're going to win like me. I guess like Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in a boxing match when he was like 46 years old. But like those last few that he got his ass rocked, it changes my image of like, well, Anderson broke his leg. Whatever. He's having a great time. Fuck you. Do you know the story? No, I know. I'm not. But when he broke that, his leg was broke, he was never the same again.

2:59:45Right. It was just not the same guy. Right. And wide men's kale of him also put a giant dent in him. I mean, that was a big kale. Wide men caught him with that left hook and just fucking clocked him. And so going from that and you know, he's advanced age and he's older. And his later 30s, like he didn't even, I don't think he got to the U .S. He did. He was 34, right. Which for, you know, league combat sports athlete is like, that's like the very cussed the top. Like I think Paheda, Alex Paheda came at the same sort of age bracket like 34 or 30, I think he's 35 now. I guess it comes down to value system of what, like if you're still having a great time, but I'm talking about not just fighters, but anyone who's operating at a high, high wire act level, whether that's comedy, music, fighting, it's like no one's the goat forever, right.

3:00:33You're gonna fucking like, like, I don't know if it's not even about that. Just do your best. No, do your best. And it's fun to do that. Do your best. But if at some point, like people stop laughing, you're starting to lose. Get better. Figure out what the fuck you lost. Stop being a bitch. What are you gonna quit? Go take naps. Let's go. It's not. Let's go, David Chau. First of all, I take a lot of naps and it's not quit. It's pivot. It's adapt, right. You're gonna stand here as AI comes out to you and you're like, no, I'm still the best. No, no, no. You're talking about some insurmountable obstacle.

3:01:06I'm not talking about someone's career that they've already flourished in. We're talking about an insurmountable obstacle. If you're talking about AI, you're talking about a life form. And you're talking about probably the new dominant life form on Earth. And probably that's probably how life gets designed in the cosmos. It probably recognizes at a certain point in time the biological limitations of evolution in regards to these multicelled organisms. But if evolution can convince these multicelled organisms to create something synthetic, that's not dependent on blood or bone and maybe can live off solar energy or live off water.

3:01:42Who knows? But if it can do that, if we can figure out that, then the game's over. Well, look, besides the very, very powerful one puff of BJ's weed that I smoked, my drug, some 46 now. So the last 11 years, I've done mushrooms eight times. I did ayahuasca three times all in one week. That was the first time. And then very recently, once again, the comedian is back, God, alien, whatever you want to call him. And I was summoned by the Guardians of the Plant Ioboga from from a Gabon in Africa. I'd never done it. I was like, the last time I did ayahuasca, which was 35, the drug told me the medicine told me you're done.

3:02:22We've given you enough blueprint, enough instructions for you to do for the rest of your life. You don't need to abuse us because you like to abuse things. And so I stayed off that. And then my friend called me and he's like, these guys that just are psychics that like, you know, go around the world, like administering these ayahuasca ceremonies. Like, it's the entire plant grinded up. And I was not, I was not ready. So I'm in a mental hospital because I just finished filming beef. I'm trying to like go back to, like you said, I was very affected by emotions. I'm trying to get back to me, Dave, like peaceful, loving Dave.

3:02:57And this guy's calling me from Mexico City saying, I've been summoned by the guardians of the plant. Sounds like a movie. And I did the most powerful psych. I mean, I was high for four days where I would go to, like, I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat like, and you know, not recommended for it was, it was way, way past what ayahuasca was. And we have, all humans have operating system. If we're like fleshy computers, right? We're born and then you, you're taught what you're taught. And then you kind of, that's who I am. And that's kind of stuck who you are for the rest of your life. And this thing just started making so many jokes at me.

3:03:39Like, it's like, you have a living trust. You have a will, like all the things that like normal, wealthy people do or whatever. It was just laughing at me. He's like, you have storage units full of what? And so I just, in that psychedelic state, in that spiritual state, I was like, I have so many, I'm a hoarder because my mom, I collect a lot of shit. I have comics, I have like rare painting. I have a lot of shit where I'm never going to sell it. And like the people, like when I die, like this is anyone who has a lot of shit, they're probably not going to know, like I have a lot of stuff that's worth a lot to me because of the sentimental value.

3:04:21And then things that are just actually worth a lot of money. And the thing was like, why don't you just give it away to the people who want it while you're alive? And I was like, oh, fuck. And kind of like teasing me. And this is like seven months ago. So I've given away like 90 % of my personal possessions. Like, and like there's some kid right now wearing, like I don't know why I still have my prom suit that I lost my virginity in like 1992. Like, congratulations. Yeah, thank you. So he has, he has that. But in my mind, my ego goes, when I die and there's a Dave Chow Museum, maybe there'll be like a thing of like all my crazy clothes I wore.

3:04:59And I'm like, I'm going to give this to someone. Can you imagine someone going to a museum of your life? Well, like Hard Rock Cafe, right? There's princes guitar. Right. But that's like everybody. It's like every band, you know, Freddie Mercury's mustache comb. Right. You know, but imagine your own. Like, oh. And, and so like I had like a very transformative. I'm not going to do a good job if I'm trying to explain to you what happened. But I know that most people will never do like that level psychedelic. But I know like a lot of shamans, they don't even do ayahuasca or whatever because they're so in touch with the nature and stuff.

3:05:35So I'm going to save a lot of people money right now. And all my fucked upness and all the rehabs, all the, this is a common thing. I'd like a super expensive rehab. Is there's a thing called TRE, trauma release exercise. And I did this in Arizona with this guy, Taruno. And from what he tells me, humans and domesticated dogs are the only animals on the planet that after they experience any kind of trauma, carry it in their body for the rest of their lives. So you have a cheetah chasing like a gazelle and like getting this close, like scratching its butt. Like, like if that was a human, you're like, bro, I almost got killed by a fuck, you know.

3:06:17But then you see the gazelle like a minute later, go sip some water and a like in the butts doing a little, like it's shaking that, that insanity out and like, oh, and then it's like it never happened again. But if we're, whatever, this is what's taught to me and to me in my situation, it was true. If you've had like any kind of trauma, you just carry that. It creates stress, anxiety, addiction, all these things. And so a very common thing and I'm giving this secret away is you go to like an expensive rehab and they give you a tennis racket or a baseball bat and then you hit a pillow or a dummy and you get that out.

3:06:53You do this TRE trauma release exercise and you're like, you know, if you're a fighter or a boxer, you get to get it out in other ways. But most, I would say most people have never been in a fist fight or like bash someone's head with a baseball bat or, you know, so to just get the motion, the feeling of hitting a dummy, I'm like, and these places are expensive. So me as an artist, I go, why not make a mannequin that looks exactly like my abuser and or or take it at once that further. I'm like, can I just hit a person? Like that's wearing pads and they're like, Dave, this is like a business. Like there's lawsuits and liabilities and I go, oh, well, you could do that because or you can't do that because you're a professional, but I'm an artist.

3:07:37So I've artistic license. So a few years ago, this is before you left L .A. You know, this was the worst business decision for me because it cost millions of dollars and this is what a normal art show is now like, right? Like, like a line waiting, Banksy, whoever, Damien Hurst and then everyone comes in, takes a selfie. They don't give a shit about the art and then they just post like, I was there, right? Right. And so that same side to me. Is that a real deal? Well, there's a part of me that's like, well, I want to get more likes and more whatever. But so in a way, it ended up being the best decision that I've business decision ever made because I had a show in office building where I rented out this entire office building in each room.

3:08:20I had a, I'm trying to read basically steal everything that I learned in all these rehabs and re -contextualize it in like, in an artistic way. Like, most people have never screamed their lungs out, right? And there's movies where you go scream at the ocean. I had one where you walk in a room. This is just like, I'll give you like two of them. You walk in a room and there's a punk band where the lead singer just OD as soon as you walk in. And then they grab you and they go, you need to finish the song. And the song is like written out on the wall. I spray painted the lyrics. It's like, I'm the best.

3:08:53I'm the best. I'm the mother fucking best. And they make you keep screaming it and then you get to be the lead singer of a, of this. And that's just one room, right? And then you go in another room and it's covered with sculptures. Like all these found object sculptures I made. But I'm doing the fucking thing that I said. I'm not a magician. You know what I'm saying? There's a guy in there and he knows everything about you or not everything. But you know, you fill out applications. So he knows like what's bothering you, what causes you the most stress. And he goes up to you and he says, hey, Joe, I know you're having some problems right now at home or, you know, whatever your issue is.

3:09:31And he goes, I invite you to take that out on me. And you're like, what? And you give you a huge bat. And you just beat the shit out of this guy. And the harder you beat him, he starts laughing and just give me all of it. And you know, he's fully protected with police armor, right? But then I made it artistic, you know? So you'd literally get to beat the shit out of a human. And then I was like, do you have to use the bat? I mean, the people lost their mind. They were started punching, kicking. You can do that. No rules, dude, I'm not a fucking, like, I'm not a legit business. And then we took it on the road.

3:10:03I was like, hey, go to the park across the street. So the guy in the living sculpture goes across the street. And I had a guy with a bat and I'm like, anyone who has some shit they want to get off their chest. Like a lady's hitting this guy with the back going, what is this? I need to get out of this. Give me my fucking child support. Oh, no. Like, what does this suit look like? It's all the like the police stuff that it could take the impact. And then I did like a sculpture on top of it. So parts of the sculpture are like breaking off, but underneath he's protected, right? Jesus Christ, but from a bat.

3:10:37Yeah. Was the person hitting him in the head? He had a fully neck, fully this. And we told them don't hit the, like, we learn the hard way. Like he got one right here. That's what I was asking. But like, but her head's going to get rattled no matter what, just from the impact. But the, you know, and this is four years ago, I did this. And I'm like, like the show, like, I just explained two things that happened at the show. And there was like hundreds of rooms. So this thing cost me millions of dollars. And it was so impactful for me. Forget like, you know, like the difference between like, oh, I have a million people that went through my show and took a selfie to, like, I got to connect with people.

3:11:19I got to share. And so, look, I mean, you told me this on the last time I saw you, which is like, Dave, you should start a Patreon or do some shit. And I was like, nah, I'm like, what I've learned about myself, about accountability is in the last 10 years, I've given my art away for free. And people don't appreciate free. There has to be some skin in the game, right? Like, when I give away like, like, a thousand dollar prints for free, they go immediately, like, it must not be good. Right? But the second I charge money, they're like, oh, so like, you tell me where I should go with this, because I, I'm, I just started the YouTube channel, like very recently, because I'm like, I'm like, what are you doing on it?

3:12:02I'm doing like wacky shit, dude. I'm just like talking to my inner child. I'm just like on YouTube. You know, your inner child's not on YouTube. I know. It's like I'm doing, like, I'll do a, I'll do a, um, like a guided meditation on like, oh, that's cool. And then I'm like, but that didn't speak to me. I want to do a guided meditation as Wolverine, as Batman. And then I'll put that shit up on. So just whatever you feel like, just whatever I feel like. And then because through just all the experiments I've done, like that experience, the show show in the building was free. I made my TV show. I have, if you, if you go to the show show now, I have a paid thing now of people, it's like, I don't even know if I really want to do it, but I want some accountability from people, right?

3:12:55Like, when things are free, everything's like, uh, whatever. But when you have some skin in the game, at least that's how I operate. That's always been the case with comedy clubs. Like whenever they give away the tickets for free, it's always a disaster. Never good. Like, you want people to be there because they, it's worth something to them. Right. It's an exchange. So this is the, the first thing was the show show where they're like, it wasn't, um, it was like, I could only get like a hundred people through a day because it's such a intense experience for each person. And that was fulfilling for me.

3:13:29But if I'm trying to meet people where they're at in the third space and that's online, it's like, how can I, how can I, um, how can I teach people everything that I've learned? Because it's such a weird thing. It's such a weird feeling for me to go to a place that costs a hundred thousand a month. And I'm like, what did I really learn there? They just taught me how to feel again. They read, did my operating system. And I'm like, this, and then like, with my kids now and any kid now, you go to school to learn two plus two or all the shit that the AI is going to do anyways. And they don't teach you like how to like get in touch with your emotions or like express yourself in like, like, all those like very simple things.

3:14:10So we kind of grow up robots. Like these like, unfeeling robots like college, get married, have a kid. What would grow up in a way that facilitates us getting good job? So like my life right now pre, like everything I just told you about is just, is dad life. I'm chilling. Like I just, I spend a lot of time with my kids. I'm chilling. But now I like had a taste of acting. I'm like, I have like the YouTube thing. So I'm I want to make sure you went, you acted and you wound up in a fucking mental institution. I checked myself. I checked myself. You wound up in a mental institution. Yeah. One, I didn't say someone dragged you there.

3:14:51But you would want to go back to doing that. If it was dad seems to me Batman. Wolverine white chicks to heat to. Well, actually, I have this show is not even out yet or it might be out when, but, like people already hitting me up. They're like, you're a scene stealer. They're saying this shit. And so I got a part in the new Batman as the Joker. And I'm calling myself the Joker because I'm the Chowster. And the audition person is really, really fucking rough. And they keep having me come back because my fucking daughter dude. I'm like sitting there going, all day I play Batman, all day I play Wolverine, all day I do this shit and it's fun.

3:15:35I don't know if I'd have fun like on a set like, you know, cut. Chop is head off again. Cut. It's gonna work. The fun thing is seeing the product. Right. That's what's fun about it. I think I already got your answer. You're like, fuck acting. So I think I know I think I'm done. I get it for some people. It's just like look, some like Jamie likes golf. I've never played golf. You know what I'm saying? It's like that kind of thing. There's a lot of great things out there. You just can't do more than you're already doing if you're full. And I'm full of stuff to do. I don't have any more stuff to do.

3:16:05I have no room for other stuff. I'm not interested. I like watching other stuff. Doesn't mean I don't like it. Just I'm not doing it. I don't know of the time. I, I guess I'm not, I guess I'm pretty full like my kids and like that life is, but there's still part of me that feels. I learned some shit. Yeah. And I feel like I want to maybe share those things. Like I would love to never podcast again. I love talking to you, but like there's a part of me that feels even hoarder -ish when I learn something that can help someone and I keep it to myself. Like I've learned a lot of shit. I mean when a kid asks me today like how do I make it in the art business?

3:16:44I'm like that I don't know because anything I made it as an illustrator, as a graffiti art, like none of that stuff's relevant anymore. But the stuff that has to do with fun, feeling again, like I mean, dude, sorry if I told the story again, but there's an art barn and most rehabs because most of these guys are like strong out, they like are CEOs, whatever. So the one that I went to was like a hundred grand a month. So there's a lot of multi -millionaires, billionaires there. And there's an art barn. And I'm like, fuck yeah, that's where I'm going to escape. And like, you know, and they're like not for you.

3:17:20Like what? I can't go in there and they're like no, that's where you like, you know, that's how you get high. So you're going to go do something else. And I'm like fuck, but I would always sneak in and try to like whatever. So there's a dude in there. And I'm not going to say who he is, but he's like probably one of the most powerful people on the planet. He could buy like a thousand or a billion of these rehabs and like just.

3:17:44And so the assignment is to like draw like your favorite like food, like, you know, something from your childhood using these acrylic paints. But on the next level is the glitter paints, right? And I see this guy holding his hand and I go by the art barn. I'm like looking in the window like jealous. I want to be in there. And I go one of the most richest powerful men in the planet is asking permission right now if he can use the glitter paint. And I'm like. And I go. So that's it because my kids don't ask for permission, right? My kid will go into my closet and put on every single piece of clothes and come back and I'm like.

3:18:26I'm going to do that. When's the last time I did that? Eight, seven years old and I go and I put on like all my underwear like. And I just we have and then I roll down the stairs and I go permission granted. Like people really don't. They forgot how to have fun. They forgot how to like be goofy. But if you're like some CEO guy maybe he wants that. He wants to ask permission for things seem like the same way some of those guys want to get kicked in the balls by a dominatrix. Right. Some of those guys they like it's like you were saying you got so much pussy. You almost wanted a suck of dick. Like some of those guys have so much power.

3:19:01They want someone to yell at them and humiliate them. They've become tyrants. They've become kings. They become a master of their domain and it feels in balance to them probably. And that's probably why they seek out getting humiliated. But you walk this you walk so like you know Elon Musk. I mean you walk like I feel like we're similar in that way. Like I can go work out at the worst 24 hour fitness and then also be in rooms with those people. The rich in the poor are not that different mentally. I find your your mentality changes with the lack of fear of not having any money. You know and some people it doesn't some people they they always think about how these to be poor and they can never get over the anxiety of the possibility going back to being poor.

3:19:44So they just go on like a mad dash to having a fucking heart attack. Right. You know and other people settle. That was me. You seem settled in now though. I think I'm pretty settled in too. I'm settled in. I think I have. I got to wrap this up my brother. Yeah no worries. Almost 5 p .m. So acting done. Yeah. I'm interested. And then YouTube channel thumbs up or thumbs down. Yeah I like it. Yeah I want you to do whatever you want to do. And if that's what you want to do. Yeah definitely thumbs up. It would be fun. I'm sure it would be chaos. And then podcast now. And also like it'll grow and evolve too.

3:20:13Like if you do a YouTube channel you'll you're a very analytical guy. You'll look at it and decide oh now I'll try this now try that. And then you have this platform now and you're developing the platform completely independently from other people's ideas. You could do whatever the fuck you want. I just don't want to get devoured by work right. You don't have to. So YouTube channel and then podcast the show show. Stay the fuck away from acting. And no more acting. Yeah there it is. All right. Thank you my brother. And then always a pleasure to talk to you. We are the Hodza. Sure too. Oh yeah. That's for you bro.

3:20:42Thank you. Thank you man. Fuck yeah man. Fuck yeah. Now the real podcast begins right. Bye bro.