#1967 - Mike Vecchione

23:35UFC. It's like, because it's like entertainment, I root for all the standups. If a standup guy is going against an improv guy for a job, I'm rooting standup. Oh, yeah. You got to root for the discipline that you came from. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And wrestling is the most important discipline for MMA. I think. Yeah, I think it's the foundation because the wrestler can dictate where the fight takes place. You know, if the wrestler chooses to stand, he can stand. The wrestler wants to get back up. He can get back up. And the wrestler knows how to take the guy down. Whereas like, even though every fight starts standing up, and it's a big advantage for the striker while they're standing up with the wrestler, the wrestler knows how to strike.

24:13The striker has to think about two different things simultaneously. Has to think, maybe this guy's going to shoot and what if this guy punches me? Right. This guy kicks me. Right. So there's like so many more options that the wrestler has, and there's that threat of the takedown that looms large, that like paralyzes guys with anticipation. It's the most important foundation. It's everything in MMA. If you can't wrestle, good luck. Because unless you can land a wild shot like, you know, Jorge Mazudal and Ben Askron, unless you get that wild shot off right away and knock the guy out, it's a long night against the best one of the best wrestlers.

24:46Right. And that wild shot, are you going to be able to do that every time? Right. Mm. Most likely no. Yeah. Yeah. If you look at like overall success rate, wrestlers have a huge percentage of wins in MMA. And the really good guys like Bow Nuckle, like right away, you see them dominating guys with like all this experience. Right. Because his skill set, that one skill that he has wrestling, he's so much better than everybody else that it's just a massive, massive advantage. And the training, like I took Taekwondo when I was young. And it's like forms and you know, punches and kicks and forms. But when I started wrestling in eighth grade, eighth grade wrestling practice was so intense that I thought that the coach was punishing the football players on the title.

25:31Are we being punished for like two months? I had to check it on my front. I was like, no, no, no, this is just what it is. Yeah. And it's so. I wrestled one year in high school and I couldn't believe how hard it was. I would remember going home and my legs were so sore after running stadium stairs that I could barely walk. And I was like, this is fucking horrible. And I didn't want to go to class. And I was so tired from wrestling that it was like, Jesus Christ, like, how does anybody do this? Yeah. It was not. And then the cutting weight also, which I'm sure you had to make weight for competition.

26:03It just, it's like, and we didn't know anything back then. And he's like, go eat pasta. And just like, eat less. There was no like science behind any of it. And you wait in the day of the match, too, which is terrible. Terrible. One of the best things about the UFC is that they cut weight the day before. I hate cutting weight, period. My opinion on cutting weight for fighting is that it's sanctioned cheating. Like you're not really 170 pounds. So you're 200 pounds. But you dry yourself out the week of, and then 24 hours in, you're losing 12, 13 pounds. And then you rehydrate like crazy. Like what is this stupid thing that they do in 24 hours before a cage fight?

26:39Yeah. You're literally almost dying. Well, some guys are just naturally close to their weight. I wrestle with guys like that who are just like three or four pounds above the weight. They have very low body fat. Yeah. I wasn't like that. I was like a bulky guy and husky. And it's like, that means, yeah, you got to cut a lot of weight to get that muscle mass that the other guys might have naturally. Yeah. To make the optimal weight, you know, body weight for competing. Right. Because if you wrestle at a hot people, just go wrestle at a higher weight. It's like then you're wrestling guys who've cut down from a higher weight and they're going to just be stronger.

27:12Yeah. That's a big advantage if you could do it right. Like this weekend is Israel out of Sonia versus Alex Bahedo. And Bahedo who beat out of Sonia in the last fight is fucking huge for 185. Like I stand next to him like, how the fuck is this guy? Wow. 15 pounds lighter than me. That doesn't even make any sense. Yeah. It's fucking huge. But when he gets into the cage on fight day, he's 225. That's it's in boxing too. I'm a huge boxing fan. And I go see I live by the garden. I go see Loma Chanko anytime he's at the garden. Like I can see him fight. He's unreal. But it's like he's going to fight Devin Haney.

27:47You know, so, but he's like, it's a great fight. I'm so happy it's happening at 135. But Haney I think cuts down from 50, 150, 16, something like that. He's walking around. And, but that's just. Loma's tiny. Loma's a smaller guy. Yeah. He's much smaller than those guys. And that you saw that in the Tfema Lopez. Yeah. Like Loma's is big. He is scary. Yeah. You know, it's just that power. It's just such a big advantage for a big guy who cuts a lot of weight. He gets 35. Right. But Loma won't go down. He won't go down to 130. He's like, no, I want the challenge. I think he wants the challenge. Like a lot of these Ukraine, the Eastern block guys, like they want.

28:24They want the smoke, man. They want the challenge. They do, but I was a little disappointed in his perceptions of the Lopas fight after he lost. Like he thought he won that fight. I was like, that's crazy. I mean, he made it. You could see halfway through the fight. His corner must have been telling him you're in trouble. Yeah. Because he picked up the pace. Mm -hmm. Like halfway through that fight. It was too late. He made adjustments and he had a big 11th round. Yeah. I remember in 11th, he was really putting it on him. And I was like, oh, man, maybe Loma's going to take this. Yeah. And then the 12th Lopas came out strong.

28:56Right, right, right. That kid has such a hard job, too. It's such a dangerous job to get through. He came out at the beginning of the fight and established it. Mm -hmm. I remember that. And it's like, wow. And Loma takes him two, three rounds of download with the guy's doing. He's a slower starter because he just kind of is measuring him. And almost to the point where like, what's happening? Yeah. You know what I mean? If you're like an unskilled, like I'm just a fan, but it's like, he does that for two or three rounds. And then he's just like, oh, I figured it out and then picks it up and picks the guy at par.

29:26It's too bad that he's so small. Because if he was larger in like a natural 135 or a natural 140 or something, that's just so many big fights for him. And it would be really exciting to see. But to see a guy like that, we really should be fighting 130. Yes. Going up against these guys as a cut in down from 150, 125. Yeah. It's just a big fight. But there's a lot of guys at 135 who are very, very tough. You know, the tank, Ryan fight. Oh, yeah. That's a big fight. That's so happy that got made. Yeah, me too. I'm really interested. Like, I'm a giant Javante fan. I think that guy is so unusual. Yeah.

30:01His style so unusual and it's like patience. Yes. Yeah. The Leo Santa Cruz fight was really something for me because Leo Santa Cruz is a technician. He's great Mexican style. Like, but he's also a technician. Mm -hmm. And that fight was very close before tank stopped him. Yeah. But he has that power that can end it. Well, he finds these openings and sees them. But he doesn't go after him right away. He waits for the right time. He's so patient. Like, when you watch the early rounds of his fights, he's like at a world champions that are competing today at the highest level, he probably has the lowest punch count in the early rounds.

30:38Yeah. Because he just wait. But he also knows he's got that nuclear option that if you can fucking crack you, most like he's going to take you out. He's got massive confidence in that. But the thing is, can you rely on that? Mm -hmm. You know what I mean? Right. Because at the end, you know, that people cruise fight. It's like, that was very close. That was a very close. People cruise a tough guy, Mexican, just staying in the pocket with him. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's like a De Dante wild, wilder thing where it's like, you're just waiting on that one punch. But it's like, you can't lose every round up to that either.

31:06Right. Right. Yeah. It's interesting, right? Like, you don't know whether someone's ever going to be able to figure that out or whether not. He's just going to keep cracking people. Yeah. You know, so it's part of the fun of watching it. I've talked to a lot of like real boxing purists. It's like, you can't rely on that style. Right. He's got to be busier when he gets to the best guys. It's not going to work out. Like, well, we'll see. Yeah. We'll see because there's so many good guys. Yeah. Sure. Of course, Steven was a 130. I'd like to see him and Lomachenko. Yeah. Even the guy that Lomachenko just beat Ortiz, which was in, it was a sparring partner years ago.

31:40Yeah. He looked great. I was at that fight. Yeah. He looked unreal. Yeah. Yeah. He looked unreal. But that for Lomachenko, that was a great adjustment after the Lopez fight, too, right? Yeah. I mean, he really looked like he's coming. Yeah. And he apparently had some shoulders. Yeah. He's hurt. Yeah. I think he got hurt halfway through the Tfimo fight, to be honest. I think he heard a hand or a shoulder. He wasn't himself. Yeah. Well, I think that's a Tfimo fought unbelievably. Yeah. Yeah. And then you see what Cumbosis did to Tfimo. Yeah. And then you see what Devon Haney did to Cumbosis, two fights in a row.

32:11Jesus Christ. He's led to Australia. I mean, I think that's a lot. He deserved a lot of credit for that. Fuck yeah. Oh, he's so good. Yeah. He's so good. And him and Lomachenko is going to be very interested. It's a great fight. Very, very interesting. Very technical fight. Yeah. There's so many good fighters now. It's a really good time for boxing. And finally, they're making the Terrence Crawford Ayrl Spence fight. For June, 17th, right? But I'm following that like crazy. But it's like they try to do that before. So I don't get too excited until they actually make it. What's going on with that?

32:42I mean, we're like, when Terrence decided to fight that other dude for his last fight, and never was like, what the fuck? I thought you were going to fight Ayrl Spence. Now it's all falling apart. You know, luckily they made it though. So if it's signed and ready to go for June. But it's not signed yet, is it? I don't know. I mean, they're announcing it. They're announcing it. They're announcing they have plans for it. They do weird shit with boxing like that. Like, like, Usik and Tyson Fury. I thought it was a done deal. Like, look, it's happening. And now, you know, it gets to this point where Tyson Fury was like, I want 70%.

33:13I'm the fucking Gypsy King. I want 70 % and Usik's like, okay, 70%. And it still fell apart. He offered him 70, 30. Yeah, and he took it. I didn't think that Usik, no one thought Usik was going to take that. He goes, no, I'll take it. Yeah, once a win. He wants the fight. He wants the legacy. On, yeah. I mean, yeah, Tyson is more of a draw. Yeah. So I understand that. But Usik has three belts. Yeah, but Tyson's more of a draw. Yeah. Like, if you can do 70, 30, and you'll still make a shit ton of mine. I mean, that's a fucking big fight. I mean, that's a worldwide gigantic, you know, $200 million fight.

33:47So he'll make 30 % of that. Fine. Yeah, but I think the sticking point was the rematch clause. Tyson wanted 50, 50 on the rematch clause. So you lose the fight and then the rematch clause is 50, 50? You don't have any belts. I would take it. It's, I think it's still worth it because the name, it's like, what brings asses and seats, right? It's the name. If they have the rematch and Usik instead decides to fight, you know, whether it's wilder or whoever, it's not going to be as big a fight as any Joshua. It's not going to be as big a fight. The big fight is Tyson Fury. That's, I think that's reasonable.

34:2170, 30, if you could beat me 50, 50. I think it's reasonable. Yeah, but after the 70, after the 70, 30, you're going, all right, you're pushing me. But he's the gypsy kid. He's the fucking easy. He's a huge draw. He's the biggest fucking draw in heavyweight boxing. And he might be the best heavyweight ever. He's a fucking freak of nature. Yeah, I mean, really is. And he's such a personality. I mean, he sings that song after the, he sings after them. Like, this is pretty good. The song is pretty good. It's unbelievable. Yeah, he's like an entertainer. As a packy out packer, he used to fight. He used to go out and do karaoke after the fights.

34:58Yeah, it's like, it's bananas. You know, many packers, like a professional level pool player. Is he really? Yeah, like really good. Like he could, like if he decided to stop fighting and never box again, he can compete as a professional pool player. That's nuts. Yeah, he's really good, man. I've watched him play. I'd watch him and Mayweather do like one -on -one basketball. Right. They both like play basketball, you know? Like in this bad time. So competitive and I mayweather's unbelievable. I mean, watching him fight, and some people don't get it. They just like, I had a friend and he was like, he's boring, no knockouts.

35:32I go, but he's a top level guy, multiple time world champion, and he's dismantling other multiple time world champions. And not because he hit. Yeah, is there anything there? Yeah, I don't know. I go, he's just, he's boring. I don't like him. I go, okay, maybe is it possible that you don't know what you're watching? Yeah. Maybe. Is it, could it be that? I don't know. I like knockouts. I go, then you should watch Butterbeen. And he goes, yeah, I like Butterbeen. I go good. Watch Butterbeen is being like a five year old, are you meant good? I will. I go, you should. I will. Good. Good. And it's up to you in that, you know what I mean?

36:14But for him to like just have that run is dismantling guys. You're going to always going to have casuals like that. Yeah. In every sport, an MMA, that's a big thing. People only like knockouts, they boo and fights go to the ground. Right. But is there a thing in MMA where it's like, are they calling stalemates faster? You mean getting people back up? Yeah, like if the guy's on top and he's not making progress or the guy on bottom isn't getting a risk or working towards, you know, submission, will they stop them and stand them up faster? I think that's better for the sport. And in wrestling, they'll hit guys with stalling quick to keep the action moving.

36:48I know that's not a thing in MMA, but it does help the optics. It pride, they would give them a yellow card and it would take 10 % of your purse. So if you got a yellow card and pride, that meant you weren't trying to win or you were stalling and if the referee pulled that yellow card out, people were fucking freaking out. Like, you know, if you're getting paid a million dollars, $100 ,000 is now gone for that yellow card. And you're like, fuck. Right. And that's a big deal. Is it a warning first? They give a warning before they put the yellow card. I think it was up to the referee's discretion and pride.

37:21I don't remember exactly how they did it, but when they did it, it was a big fucking deal and the crowd would cheer and then the guy would adjust accordingly, because if you got two yellow cards, you're fucked. I mean, I don't even know if they gave two yellow cards. I don't remember that ever happening. I'm sure it did, but I don't remember it ever happening in a fight, but in MMA, the controversy is about whether or not you should stand someone up because you have five minutes. And if someone takes someone down and they're on top of them, it's up to the person who's on the bottom to get back up.

37:52Yeah. Like, that's your job. When the guy on top, it's up to him to hold you down. I don't believe in standups. It might be boring or taming for the audience, but I'm a purist in terms of like, I think you should control your own destiny in there. And if a guy can hold you down and just punch you in the face while you're on the, even if it's boring, he's doing what he wants to do. And you can't do anything about that. That means he's winning. And I think that any interference of that is against the purity of the sport. That's an interesting thing. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I do understand that it could be boring if a guy can hold the guy down and control it.

38:26Not so much boring, but it is the guy on top initiating action. Mm -hmm. I think that's the case. Sometimes he initiating actions. He's trying to win the, is he advancing his position, resting his advancing in your position? Yeah, but punching in the face is advancing, it's a way of advancing your position in terms of winning the fight. Yeah, but it's open to interpretation, like, say if like he's inside control and he's only occasionally hammer fist in the guy that is, the guys in no danger are being stopped. There's an argument that that's stalling, but I don't buy that argument because it's only a five minute round.

38:58And for a grappler, it's really hard to take someone down. Like you're dealing with kicks and knees and punches and you're trying to find the opening and the level change, you get the shot, maybe you switch from a double to a single, you run the pipe, you get the guy on the ground, all that took a minute and a half. Right, right, right. And if you're holding the guy down and then the referee comes like, keep moving action, you know, like, advance your position and then they stand it back up. But what the fuck is that? Like that guy couldn't get up. If it was, if it was no one here to stop that.

39:27If this was just a fight out of the field somewhere, that guy on top controls the fight. He does what the fuck he wants to do. And if that guy gets tired, eventually, he'll move to mount and just start beating the fuck out of him. But it's important that his skill set is expressed. His skill set is his ability to control the guy. And if you're on the bottom and you can't get back up, I don't care if it's boring, tough shit. Your job is to get back up. And if you can't get back up, that guy wins. Even if he wins a boring ass fight, where he just takes you down and gives you nookies for five rounds, tough shit, you gotta figure out how to knock it, take it down or get back up or submit them off your back or find some kind of scramble or you can get on top.

40:07And if you can't do that, then you lose. Cause that's what the fight's all about. And of course, like in terms of like the people that go to pay, they are going to pay more to see the exciting people, the Conor McGregor, the John Joneses, the people that stop people and finish people. And they're the big draws. But if you can bend ask her in your way to a career and bend it for a long time, we just took guys down and fucking niggie them into a coma, like tough shit, that's my feeling. I don't like stand -ups. I hate them. I wouldn't, especially like sometimes they'll stand someone up from a dominant position.

40:38Like someone will get to side control and the referee will stand them up and I'm just going, what the fuck are you doing? It's so hard to get there. You're only giving a guy five minutes to work and you got to think it probably took a minute or so to get the guy down. Not just a minute or so, but it is a lot of energy. A lot of energy. You're a lot of energy to take a guy down. And then if you get taken out of that and stood back up again, now you're tired and this guy, his striking is probably strong. Right, right, right. And now you're in his realm and you expended all this energy and it's taken away from you by a bad referee.

41:12I fucking hate it. I think it's dumb. I think it should be eliminated. I really do. I don't like it at all. I don't think there's ever a time that they should stand people up. I don't think there's ever a time they should separate someone if they got someone pressed up against the cage and they're nearing them in the body and elbowing them. Sometimes the referees will decide there's not enough action they separate them. I hate that too. I don't believe in any of them. I don't think you should do anything to make it more exciting for the casuals. Nothing really. Zero. Yeah, because the best guys are always going to be exciting.

41:39It's just, you're going to have, it's just like everybody's like, hey, we want blood all the time. Yeah. You don't always get blood. Action movies aren't always action. Sometimes the hero and the woman kiss. That's right. That's why Dana stacks the cards in case you have a fight that's not as exciting. Well, they have their very, I mean, it's obviously their different than me because they're promoters and they're selling a product. I'm a martial artist. So what I want to see is someone compete to the full ability, the full extent of their abilities and something that gets in the way that it stand -ups.

42:15I don't like it. But I'm not, it's not like a universal opinion. What do you even don't agree with me? A lot of people don't agree with me. Right, because they're casuals. You know, you're not understanding the technical - Even fans. The technical aspect of what you just said. Yeah, but I understand that. Yeah, even hardcore. There's a lot of hardcore fans don't agree with me. They say, no, no, no, you can't just hold a guy down. You got to advance position. Right. Okay, why? Tell me why? Because the guy wants to win. And if you could just win by taking guys out and if the audience booze and he doesn't get popular because of it, okay, so what?

42:48Willie Pepp won fights without throwing a punch. We want to hold rounds without throwing a punch. Just moving and dancing. It was so masterful that people had to agree. It's like, what do you want him to do? Just a tourogadi and fucking just stand right in front of him and just throw bombs like Mickey Ward. Yes. Sometimes it's hard to tell. It's unreal. Yeah, but then you saw what happened to tourogadi for a fought Floyd medal. That shit didn't work. No. Against a master. Not at all. Yeah, not at all. It was great. Diego Corrales versus Julio Luis. Oh my God. That fight was crazy. I mean, I love the God award fights, but that fight for me is the greatest fight in history that I've seen in the modern era.

43:28Because he came back. It just, the first 10, they're just, you expect it Diego because of his reach to keep him on the outside. And he didn't. He just stood in a phone booth with him and they just traded. And it was as the round like you're like, oh my God, can this continue? Right. They're just in a phone booth and just at a high, high skill level working on the inside. Both of them and just trading brutal shots and nobody taking a step backwards. Yeah. And it was unreal. And then the 10th round where he gets knocked down and goosent, he spits the mouthpiece out, goosent puts it back in. And then he stops.

44:06Because I mean, it was just. Just saying. I think they play that. I'm sorry. I think they play that at corporate retreats. They play round 10 of that. They should play the whole fight. But they play round 10 of that fight in corporate retreats to be like, just never give up. You never give up. Sometimes it should give up.

44:30But that round 10, I mean, it's almost like, it's like watching a rocking. Yeah, there it is. It's emotional to watch. Oh my God, it was incredible fight. Yeah, it was incredible fight. And he was in real trouble. Real trouble. Yeah, fight. And when he got dropped, I mean, there's several times where it looked like the end. Look at that left hook. Oh my God. I mean, did you see the Caleb plant, Caleb plant, Benavitis fight last weekend? Yes. Fucking, amen. And you know what? And that's a good stoppage, yeah. That's a good stoppage too. He looked like he was out on his feet. But you could make an argument that Coral's could have got stopped early in that short.

45:06Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things. It's very subjective. Yeah. Refrees have stopped fights for way less. Well, the Fury, Deonte Wilder fight, where he's down. And you know, he, he opens his eyes. You know, the famous he opens his eyes and gets back up. Jack, Jack Reese, Jack Reese is the ref, I think. And Deonte's camp was complaining that he wasn't counting whatever, but it's like, Jack Reese is great. He's a great ref. He always gives the guy the up. He's like, I'm going to count to take, gives the opportunity for the guy to get up. Just you never thought Fury was getting up. No way. His eyes were closed on the ground.

45:37On his back with his arms above his head. Like he's just flat line. It's unbelievable. And then he rises and wins the rest of the round, which is crazy. And that win for the rest of the round made the blueprint for the second fight. Because he realized like, while there has a hard time when people put him on his heels, when people back him up. And so then he came out the second fight, just backing him up and stopped him. Yeah. Yeah, look at that. Yeah. I mean, look at this. His arms are flailed to the side. His eyes are rolled back. And he looks like he's done. Yeah. He really looks at the referee.

46:10The referee's counting. He was okay back to work. Right. And I was watching at home. I remember screaming, oh my god. Yeah, I was by myself screaming, oh my god. And then he got back up. I was like, wait, no way. No way. And he's like, I'm fine. Let's go. And the referee says, okay, walk to here. That's great. Look at this fucking shot. To my god. And the right hand before it too. So he cracks him with the right hand boom. And nobody punches harder than Dion T. Wild. I mean, he's unreal. He's got the touch of God. I mean, those two, I didn't see the front. That those two punches are unbelievable.

46:46And look, while there's 100 % convinced as he walks off that it's over. And he makes the like the throat cut thing. Yeah, yeah. He does a little dance. And then you see the look in his eyes when Tyson gets up, he's like, oh shit. How? Look at this. He does the throat cut thing. I mean, nobody on earth, other than Tyson Fury's getting up there. Which is so crazy. Dion T. Wild is the greatest knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. There's no one that's had one punch knockouts like that guy. The Lewis or T's fight just catches him on the forehead. And was losing every round. Yes.

47:20And then you see Dion T is like, I can't believe this motherfucker is still up. And then there's also like an emotional thing that happened. Look at the wildest of Dion T. To be able to survive that. First of all, I mean, I have a huge respect for mental toughness. And the mental toughness it took, it takes to get up. Yeah. And then, and then you know the guy who just did that to you is waiting on the other side of the ring to come and do it again. And then he moves forward. And he survives the initial barrage and then he starts moving forward. Then he dings Dion T. And you see Dion T got rocked.

47:54Yeah. And he starts pushing him back. I'm like, oh my god, he won the rest of the round. Like he literally made it like a nine, nine round. Yes. It's just crazy. I love that. But I love the fortitude that it takes in that moment to compose your first of all, the mental toughness to get up. And then the fortitude, all of these intangibles, like I'm a boxing guy, but it's all of these underlying things which makes me love the sport. You know, the composure that it takes, you know. It's just, it's really unbelievable. That's why I love the sport so much. Well, you're not a casual. That's it. Look at him.

48:27He's dancing. Like he thought it was, you know, walk through looking at his face when he sees Tyson get up. Like they start counting. And he's like, this fight is fucking over. I don't know if they're going to show it here, but there's a look where you see Dion T's face. They're like, right there's like, oh, shit. I don't believe this. Let me start breathing differently. Let me start breathing differently because I got to go finish the job here. Yeah. And then he gets up and, you know, Deontay, I'm sure, I thought he was going to put him away. Put everybody away. But they're talking now about Deontay versus, I think they're talking about Andy Ruiz in Deontay.

49:00That's a great one. But they might be also talking about Deontay and Usick because I think Usick is open now. I just hope they put that fight together. Just figure it out boys. That's the fight. The fight's Tyson Fury and Usick. It's the undisputed world heavyweight championship. Deontay, while they're training as promoter, cancels another Vegas date. Okay. So Andy Ruiz, Jr., potentially is now canceled. See, that's the thing the boxing does, it drives me nuts. They set these fights up, they get your dick hard, and then they pull them away from you, like, fucking Lucy with this football. Yeah, yeah.

49:35That's right. That's right. But I think the thing is like the Crawford Spence date. It's like, we're floating the date of June 17th. It's like, all right, because that gets everybody's hopes up for it. And then they go, well, now we got to negotiate. We had to come to the table. And it's like, yeah, how's that going to go? It didn't go well last time. And as a result, Terrence, I think, just got frustrated with the negotiations. I'm like, I'm going to fight some, you don't think I'll walk away. I'll go fight somebody else. Is he, is April Fools, because they reported on April 1st? Is that what they're saying?

50:06I was trying to figure it out too, but this is the best I could get. Was that he lost, he said, is it's April Fools? Yeah, what does that mean? So they announced April 22nd during Javante Davis. Also, it will be announced. So they're hoping it will be announced. If Crawford isn't playing around, it will disappoint many fans who want to see him fight Spence. Yeah, that's the big fight at Walter White. That's a big fight. Right. But I think if they don't make the fight, then they have to fight, like, they have to fight the number one contender then. There's a Virgil Ortiz at 147's Boots Innisfilts.

50:36He's got a Philly Innisfilts Unreal. Okay, so you got to fight that. Yeah. Why are the mandatory not being forced? Is my question. I think it's just money. They're just trying to make the biggest fights possible. Well, the problem is that you have these individual promoters and you have these, there's too many IBFWBC, these sanctioning organizations. And it's like, you have to force, you have to force these fights. Yeah. I understand the ticket sales and all that stuff is important. But if you want to maintain your integrity as a sport, you have to force these fights. Yeah, I agree. But to Anna should not be sitting there as the number one contender for five years.

51:10Right, exactly. Good point. Yeah, and also the world needs to know how good Boots Innisfilts is. Yes. When you watch that guy fight, switch stances. Unbelievable. He's such a bardist in there. He's so exciting. And hopefully people catch on. And but you know, you do run the risk of like a guy like that not being recognized because he's in this sort of weird situation where other people are getting shots and he doesn't. Right. But it's a weird situation because I think Teddy Atlas has said this on multiple occasions. It's structured badly. The sport is structured badly. Whereas like in UFC, it's a day in a making the decisions.

51:44Yeah. And you need that. You need a guy at the top going, no, this, this is going to happen. Yeah. And if you don't want it to happen or if a guy's having personal problems like John Jones or whatever that was, like, okay, I mean, you're still a legend and you will get the shot when you're ready to come back. But the show goes on. Tom Brady, you know, gets hurt. Rips his knee. Football doesn't stop. Right. You know, yeah. There's a great advantage that UFC has in being the promoter. And so it's the organization's the sanctioning body and it's also the promoter. But it does take away leverage from the fighters.

52:18Like you can't say, I want 70, 30, you can't say, right. Like the way that boxing is, there's too many promoters and there's too many world titles. Right. But the opposite is the UFC where it's like, there's really only one title that means something. There's Bellator titles and one FC titles. But what everybody wants to be is the UFC champion of the world. That's what everybody wants to have. Right. Everybody. Nobody says, I'd rather be the Bellator champion. No disrespect to Bellator. Yeah. But the reality is that's not the same. Right. And the real reality is there's fighters in Bellator that are world championship UFC caliber fighters.

52:54And they might not ever get their due. And they might lose their competitive prime, competing against other people in an organization where less people are going to watch. And maybe even more importantly, less people are going to respect. Right. So it's, it's, but in boxing, you know, you can't fight once a year. You can't fight once every 18 months and expect me to still be interested in what you're doing. Right. Like you have to fight more. You have to fight like three, to Canelo's credit and three, four times a year. I understand these camps are like 12 weeks now. And that's brutal. It's brutal, the preparation.

53:31But, you know, three, four times a year. I mean, if you're fighting every two years, it's like it holds up the division. Yep. And it's, you know, it's less competition. It does. And there's so many big fights. The Canelo thing is very interesting, right? Because he loses to be of all. And then he comes back and beats Triple G and looks pretty good. But then he had to get wrist surgery. Right. And, you know, then you see what Benavita's did to plant. Like Benavita's beat the fuck. Yes, he did. And how tough is Caleb plan? Caleb plan is so tough. And he said very, very skilled guy. Damn, so skilled guy was an Olympian.

54:03You know, he was an Olympian. So very skilled guy. And for David to do that, it was really impressive. Really impressive. He's a murderous buncher man. And when Caleb has a fucking chin on him, man. Holy shit. Or refused to get knocked out. And he really tried to win the fight. Battered. I mean, he got fucking battered. I'm super impressed with Benavita. It's like that was a big test for him. And Caleb in the beginning was very slick. But Benavita just kept pressing the coin on him and towards the ladder half of the fight. That's traditionally been a problem with Caleb that he starts to fade in the later rounds.

54:34It's so much energy to keep a guy like that off you. I think you got to have power to keep the guy like that off you. Because that guy has a Benavita's. And many guys like to have a suffocating style. You can hit him. And that does something to you mentally, I think. Where you hit a guy twice, you hit him with your best stuff. And he just walks. He's walking through it. Walking forward, walking you down. It's like, all right. I guess this is going to be, I'm going to have to move. It's a tremendous amount of energy. I feel like I wonder if Caleb could do something about a strengthy conditioning that takes it to another level.

55:07Because I feel like if he could maintain the kind of pace that he has in the early rounds of the cannellify, the early rounds of Benavita's fight, if he can do that, like man, it's going to be really hard for people to fuck with him. But he has a mark, there's a noticeable slowing down that happens. And I wonder if that psychological. I don't know how you would mimic that pressure. Like I've never been in a fight camp before. So I don't know how you would mimic that pressure in sparring. I think it would have to be in strength and conditioning. I think you would have to all out dedicate yourself to taking your VO2 max to a completely new level.

55:45Yeah. And you would have to really dedicate yourself in that regard to just absolutely annihilating your boundaries and pushing your strength and conditioning to the point where you can get, like there was this guy, BJ Penn, who's one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time. And there's one point in time where BJ Penn, he started training with Marv Merinovich. And Marv Merinovich was a fucking, and the Merinovichs, like they had a style of training where they believe that you already have the skill and what's more important than anything is cardio. And so they would do just ruthless plyometrics.

56:26That was the entire camp for whatever amount of weeks that you're doing it. Most of your time was dedicated to strengthening conditioning. And it was very systematic and it was very scientific through checking your resting heart rate, your heart variability, monitoring your recovery, and making sure you get in the right nutrients and rest of rehydration and all that stuff. But the most important thing was the gas tank. Because you already know how to fight. And what happens in fights, you still know how to fight, but your gas tank starts to fail. And so when BJ Penn was at his prime, in like the, if you look at, there's a bunch of different fights, like Diego Sanchez, Sean Scherke, where he was just destroying these guys.

57:10He had an limitless gas tank. And he had this incredible skill set that he already had. And there's a good argument for that that like at a certain level, what's most important is cardio. So there's like several schools of thought when it comes to that. But even with the plyometric and strength, like you have to mimic that in sparring. Yes. You have to mimic that in training so that you can utilize it. Well, they did all that too. I mean, it wasn't like you only did strength and conditioning, but strength and conditioning was primary. But what's that look like? Is that like a shark bait type situation we called it in wrestling shark bait, but one guy in the middle, and they just keep sending you fresh guys.

57:47Yeah, you know what I mean? They certainly did that. But honestly, most of it was work like plios, box jumps, all these different things where you just had your ability to work. It was all about your cardio, all about your ability to constantly work. And you already had efficiency in your striking and your grappling, all these different things. And so you would do drills for those things to keep all your weapon sharp, but the primary focus was strength and conditioning. And I'm always intrigued by that because it's the most brutal way to do it. It's so hard to stay motivated because sparring is fun.

58:23If you're in there sparring, there's something exciting about it. There is nothing fun about box jumps. There's nothing fun about running hills. Box jumps and running hills till fail. Mm -hmm. Till fail is the key there because everybody thinks, oh, you know, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. It's like the goal is to throw up. Yeah, the goal is to break your box. And then have it like right there where it's broken and then recover and then get yourself right back there again and recover. And now also in your threshold bumps up a little more. And so now you can go an extra round. Now you can go an extra minute.

58:58Now you can go an extra minute 30. Now you're really pushing it and now you're seeing these things that used to kill you. Now you can get through them. And you get the end you're recovering quicker. And that's the idea. And I wonder if I got like Caleb Plant, if you could get him to an insane level of cardio where he could compete at that pace that he does in the early fight because in the early part of the fight, that guy slits. Yes, he's so slid. Very slid guy. And he was moving nice and slid, but then he starts standing in front of Benavitas. And then Benavitas is he's so accurate. And he gets his punches around your yard and up the front and uppercuts and jabs.

59:38Yeah. I'm just, I love his style. He throws punches and bunches. He's not the wrong one punch. No, it just smothers you. Stays on you and he's a brutal puncher too. And at the end of the fight, like you didn't even have a scratch on him. No, he didn't. It's crazy. Caleb looked like you've been through a meat grinder. Yeah, it's really something. So I think that's the fight at 168. Yeah, I think so too. Benavitas, Canelo, but everybody's calling for that Bivol Canelo rematch. And I just don't see it. I don't, I think we saw it. Yeah. You know, with some of these fights, it's like I think we saw it.

1:00:09We don't need a trilogy. Yeah. Yeah, I think we saw it. Maybe, you know, but when you got a champion like Canelo, he thinks he can do it better. And he thinks he's like, okay, I understand what he did. And maybe he knew coming into that fight because he did have a wrist problem that he had in the Triple G fight too. So he probably had that problem already. Right. Who knows? But I think for Bivol, the big fight is better Biv. Arts are better Biv is a fucking more. I saw him fight at the garden, Joe Smith. Oh yeah. It was a pro Joe Smith. I was running for Joe Smith, you know, New York guy, Long Island, Union, all the Union guys out.

1:00:45Yeah, but the atmosphere is just like, Joe, yeah, let's go, Joe. And then Better Biv comes in the ring and the fight starts. And it's just no disrespect to Joe Smith. He's unbelievable, but it looked like just a man fighting a small child. Yeah. It was just brutal, man. Better Biv is. And he gets no headlines. He gets no headlines. I know. And what is he like 19 and 0 at 19 knockouts? Is the only, I don't think it's 19. He's the only boxer at a world championship level that stopped every single one of his opponents and every fight has been in. And he's super skillful, but he fights like a fucking destroyer to move straight towards you.

1:01:26That wasn't stopped. 19 and 0 with 19 knockouts. Fucking crazy. The Anthony Yard fight, like holy fuck man. I think Anthony Yard was happy just to go that, just to go that far into the fight. Like he considers that a win, probably. Because Better Biv is so tough. Nobody knows who he is. Now, if it wasn't for people talking about him and YouTube clips, like he gets zero press. He gets zero press and he like, they ask him, about have you seen this guy fight? What about this guy? He's like, I'm not really a boxing fan. That's what he said. That's what he said. He goes, I'm not really a boxing fan.

1:01:59I just like to focus on my family. And that accent is like, like, man, that's kind of focused on my family. It's boxing is my job. It's funny one of those guys have that mentality where it's like boxing is my job. And I guess he kind of, it's how it keeps him sane because his work rate is fucking preposterous. I mean, you ever see that guy train? Holy shit. He's a monster. He's a monster. And then when you hear him talk, he's so respectful and low -key. It's weird watching that demon come out when he gets inside the ring. It just looks like he doesn't, and a lot of these Russians have that which is it looks like it's just workmen like.

1:02:35They don't have like the emotion that we do here in the West. They just, it looks like they're just in there. And regardless of what you throw at them, it's just workmen like what they're gonna do. It's pretty crazy. Well, it's, you know, they're coming from a hard world. Yeah, yeah. It's from Chechnya. That is a fucking hard world. That's, there's something about those European or Eastern block like from Soviet Union, former Soviet Union guys and from Russia and Dagestan, they're so tough. So tough. And there's something to be said for like, I mean, it's just like kids from the ghetto in the United States.

1:03:09Those are the best fighters. People just came from the heart, like Mike Tyson, from Brownsville. Right. Those are the people from Bedford style. Those are the people that are just the fucking monster. And then with the training, with the training also, just it hones that. You know, I think there should be something that would help boxing is, you know, you watch Showtime has all access now. HBO used to have 24, seven, the documentary series. I think that should be for every fight. It would make boxing far more popular because these guys have, these guys have such impressive stories and to tell that story, it's like, there's documentaries about everything now, about nonsense.

1:03:50It's like, they should have a documentary for each fight because you want to see their journey, like where they came from. There's, it's just, it's really something to see a kid who has nothing born into extreme poverty become a world, like Javante Davis. Coming from poverty, his story to being a world champion. It's like, it's an inspiring story. It is and it's great for everyone because it gives you fuel. Like for a person who's coming up in life, even if you're not a fighter, you see what someone's gone through and you see the success of that hard work has created. And it can be a road map for your own life.

1:04:24It really can be, it translates. Oh man, for sure. And that's what Goggins, Goggins is my favorite, he's my favorite guy, man. I watch all this stuff. I put on, there's this thing on YouTube called Goggins Motivation. So I'll be stretching and it's just him talking. Yeah, it's just, he's unreal, man. No, he's unreal and that's, that guy, you want to talk about mental toughness. That guy has destroyed knees. Yeah. And he runs thousands of miles. It's just like, every day he's running 15, 20 miles every day with destroyed knees. But he's taken his life where he came from, which is a terrible, terrible situation and transformed himself.

1:05:02That's what I love about him. And he's able to articulate it, you know, and he does it very well. And he also talks about mental toughness in a way that I've never heard anybody talk about mental toughness. You know, when I was growing up, maybe it's the same for you. It's like, you gotta be mental tough, you gotta be mentally tough, you gotta suck it up, suck it up. And it's like, you're processing that but he breaks down what does that actually mean in the suck, which is what he called, you know what I mean? It's that conversation that you're having with yourself that we all have with ourselves when we're suffering.

1:05:31Well, what Dave does is he does it in silence. Like there's no one around and he's doing it. No one's forced him to do it. And he does it because he wants to learn about himself. And the way I've had conversations with him about it where he goes, I'm getting that deep knowledge. When I'm suffering, when I'm out there running those miles, I get that deep knowledge. I'm downloading information. Like the way he's thinking about it, like his fucking hardest pounding, his knees are aching. He doesn't want to keep going, but he's like finding his own threshold, finding his own limitations. And then knowing that he can push through that because he's done it before.

1:06:06I mean, he's almost died in this multiple times. Rob Doe and doing those 200 mile races and piss and fucking diet coke out of his dick. So that's what it looks like. Your body's breaking down, your kidneys are breaking down. And you know, the guy goes to the hospital. He ran, I think it was the Moab 240. They had to take him out of the race because he got robbed of. So he goes to the hospital, recovers, goes back to the spot where they had a pull him and finishes the race. God, I love that. God, I love that. He's like, you're not beating me. That's so great. He's like, I'm going to complete this fucking race.

1:06:40Even if it's two weeks later. Yeah. Yeah, drop me off of the spot where I stopped. That's amazing. Yeah. It's inspiring. It's also him also talking about shutting out the noise because it just, that's the society we live in now. There's a lot of noise around. There's a lot of things that can addict you. And if we, I think you have to be more disciplined now than ever. You know what I mean? For the kids coming up too. It's like, this was, all this stuff wasn't around when we were coming up. You know what I mean? It's like social media. And all this other stuff that's just not good for you. And he talks about going silent and just quieting your mind and focusing.

1:07:14You know? On the other hand, for fighters, the good aspect of the digital world that we live in now is you have access to like Marvin Hagler versus Tommy Hurne. Right. You know, you could watch Vito and a Firm O fight. You can watch all these people from the by -gotten days where you could see their technique and their movement and what they did. And you can get inspiration from that instantaneously off your phone. Yes. I mean, I do love that. Fuck, it's incredible. And that's why people are so good today in everything. In everything, in comedy. You're seeing these comedians, I'm watching these fucking door guys that we have hired at the mothership.

1:07:49And these fucking guys are like three years in. And they're like, I just watched comedy on YouTube and constantly watch comedy. And you're watching them on stage. Like, these guys are kind of advanced. For three years in a row, it's fucking terrible. Most terrible three is. And these guys are doing really well. They've good structure. Their jokes are written well. Good stage presence. They have an understanding of it. That's a next level because they've seen the Rodney Dangerfields, the Eddie Murphy, the Chris Rock. They've seen all these people. And they get a sense of what it's all about. Whereas those guys had to get it from being in the clubs.

1:08:22Only for being in the clubs. These guys before they even step into a club, have like an education and stand up comedy. And that's the beautiful thing about the digital world. It's just, this thing requires discipline. Yes, it requires a lot of fucking discipline. And if you don't have that, you're gonna get sucked in. Right. You know, and I see it. I see it with my own kids. They, we have to take their phones away when we dinner. Like come on, put the phone over here. That's great. On the counter, we're all gonna sit down, having me all together. We take it away from them on Sundays. No phones, we're all hanging out.

1:08:53Let's just do it this way. But if you leave them a phone, I'll just gonna put it on my chair. Okay. And then you seem chucking tick tock. Get out of there. Get out of there, little fuck. Stuff. Stuff. You'd be surprised how many families don't have those rules. Yeah, you got to have those rules. And they have to see it with you. That's what's important. They have to see the parents can leave it alone. If the parents are hanging out with them, they're not paying attention. Yeah. That's a problem. You know, and it's easy to do. And it's easy, you know, with me, I would make excuses like I got to work.

1:09:23I got to answer these emails. I got to do this, which is true, but still not. Yeah. Don't do it. Yeah. And you know, we all have problems. These are the most addictive things and just the tension that anybody's ever experienced in history. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Because you're, you know, you're doing your job, whatever, it's a little vacation, you know, to go and scroll and take your mind off everything, but it's just, you're right. What you said you nailed it. It's like, it sucks you in. It sucks you in. And there's so much good information out there. That's really true. So on how to improve your life.

1:09:54Yeah. Like it's right there. And then references on books you can read and all kinds of other stuff where you can like, oh, no, let me get focused here. And there's also plenty of people talking about the dangers of addiction to social media. Yeah. Where you really can get an understanding of, it's not like just sneaking up on you. Everybody kind of knows what's happening while it's happening. And then it's up to you. Either you, you know, set up like a, like a screen time thing, or you know, you only have an hour on this app and after a while it just shuts you out. Or you just decide like, I'm going to get things done.

1:10:27Right. And if I'm going to look at social media for 10 minutes, or whatever the fuck it is, that's my little reward. Right. Just don't get sucked in. I do it in the morning. It's fucking, it's a real problem in the morning for me. Because I take a shit when I wake up. So I take a shit, I got that phone. And next thing you know, I'm like, it doesn't take 20 minutes to take a shit stupid. Like what are you doing in here? You're just pretending to be going to the bathroom while you're scrolling through social media. Isn't that something that you have to have that truthful conversation with yourself?

1:10:57Still to this day. Yeah. And it's good that you can call yourself out on that. I was like lying to myself in there. I was lying to myself. Yeah. I lie to myself every morning. Well, my God's gonna check it real quick. But I don't need to do a cold plunge. Yeah. Yeah, man, do that thing first. Yeah. Like you're not thinking about anything else. Yeah, I do the cold plunge, but I usually have to go to the bathroom first. That's the problem. I don't know how I go to the bathroom without my phone. So sometimes I'll wake up at like eight o 'clock. And it's eight forty before I get in the water. Yeah.

1:11:27Like why did it take so long? Well, because I had to say hi to the dog. Yeah, yeah. I had to get up. But I'm not rushing to get to that water either. No, I do it every day, but I don't want to do it every day. So every day, like as I'm walking towards, there's all this self talk where my brain's like, come on, you don't have to do this. And then there's the other part of me is going, shut the fuck up. It's great. Just get in there. And I always do it. But that talk, it's never like I'm looking forward to it. It's a smooth walk there. There's no mental hiccups. That's happened. Zero fucking times.

1:12:01I love that. Every fucking time I've gone walk toilet thing, pick up the lid. I'm like, oh my god, are you really doing this? I set the timer on and my foot hits the water. I'm like, okay, we're in. And then, but once I'm in, it's fine. Yeah, yeah. Once I'm in, it's fine. And once like, but there's always that moment, like 30 seconds in where your body's like, let's get the fuck out of here. And you're like, hey, shut up, pussy. Yeah. Like we're in here. We're in here for three minutes no matter what happens. I love that. So just fucking deal with it. And then when I get out, I'm always happier.

1:12:30Yes. But it's just that fucking talk that you have to have in your brain while you get up there. Like I know I'm not going to listen. I know that inner bitch is not going to win. That's power though, man. But that's mother fuckers power. So persistent. I love it though. Every day he's like, come on. We don't have to do this. That's the power, man. Overcoming it. He definitely doesn't lose his way. Not listening to it. Like now, we're going to do this. Yeah. We're going to do this. And I think that lends you powered other parts of your life. Oh, it definitely does. It's really great. I do cold showers.

1:12:59You know, I don't have a plunge, but I do cold showers. And it's never, it's never pleasant. I'll close the chairs in the East Coast. I'll do the steam. And then I'll just no matter why I put it on it. And I just do that. Do the whim off. Do the breathing in the, in the cold. The problem with Texas is the water never really gets cold. And now it doesn't the winter. It gets pretty cold. I've taken some cold showers in the winter. I'm like, whoo, it's pretty cold. But it's not enough. It's just the what like cold shower here is like mildly unpleasant. Yeah. I want brutal. I want brutal. And it's like getting through that at the beginning of the day.

1:13:33First of all, it raises up your dopamine, like Andrew Huberman and Susanna Soberg have put out all these scientific papers and podcasts and have all these discussions about the benefits for your dopamine increase. Which is 200 % of last for hours and nor upper and effort. And all this like real tangible benefits. But the resilience, like having the ability to say to that inner bitch, fuck you. If you watched me, you would think, oh my god, this guy is so stoic. He's a soldier. He just walks in that thing every day. But you don't know what's going on in my head. In my head, I'm like, come on, pussy.

1:14:06I love that. Let's go have a coffee first. That's so great. That's like, God gets looking at his shoes for four hours. Exactly. Look at how his shoes for four hours is like, you know, I'm done. Sometimes I stare at those motherfuckers for half hour before I put them on. But he just lets you know, like it's, it does, you're never going to be like, you're going to win that battle. You always win. But you're never going to not have that inner conversation where the comfort, you're, you, everybody wants that comfort. It's just being the boss, you know, my friend Joseph always says, he's, when it's time to tell your mind tells your body, who the fuck's the boss?

1:14:39Yeah. That's really what it is. It's a, it's a philosophy. It's a mental philosophy that you have to have and you have to implement. Yeah. Yeah. But if you have the philosophy, that's the first, that's, that's it. It's as long as you adhere to it, as long as you adhere to it. But boy, it's so easy to not do it. Like today I got some stem cells shot in my knee and I can't do the cold plunge for 72 hours. So for 72 hours, I get to be a bitch. But the problem is in my head, I know three days from now that fucking cold part is like, hey, pussy. Yeah. Remember me? It's even cold right now. That's great.

1:15:11I'm feeling that too when I'm in a warm climate like this and then go back to New York and hit those cold showers there. Yeah. I'm going to feel it. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be a wake up. Yeah. If you get to a point where you got a yard and you can get a cold plunge, I can't recommend it enough. It's so, in a sauna. If you have the two of them, because they both test you in a different way. Sauna's 20 minutes, you know, and at 189 degrees, which is what I, that's my sweet spot. When I get to like 15 minutes and I check my watch, I'm like, fuck, those last five minutes are rough. They're rough.

1:15:42But I think it does elevate your mood and it really does fight depression. 100 %. It really does fight depression. It's crazy. It's kind of crazy that like struggle fights depression. Yeah. But it really does. If you don't have any physical struggle in your life and you're just dealing with the anxiety of existence, like, well, that's what I find when I get hurt. When I get injured and I have to take a few days off, I'm like, boy, do I rely on that for my mood to just overcome adversity and just deal with all the bullshit, a pressure of life. Right. But adversity is necessary. And that thing, that's the thing's been kind of overrun today and society, the society that we living now.

1:16:21People don't recognize that. I don't think. All of my friends who don't do anything physical, they're the ones who struggle the most mentally. Right. I have so many friends that have like so many like weird mental problems, anxiety problems, especially comics that don't do anything physical. But the ones that do something physically, they have such an advantage. Right. Because you're calm or it's like you're taking a drug that allows you to deal with the bullshit. Right. Mine body connections here. Yeah. It is real. Yeah. And unfortunately, a lot of smart people don't recognize that because they're so concentrated on the mind.

1:16:56Right. They think of the body and concentrating on the body being frivolous. Right. But it's not. It's actually the mind that you're strengthening by concentrating on the body. Right. Because it's your will, which is a part of your mind. Everyone who thinks your mind is just calculus and learning how to write and learning language. No, no, no, no. The mind is also will. It's also dedication. It's also discipline. And that is your mind. And the mental strength you get from physical activities applies to mental pursuits. Yeah. And intellectual pursuits. Yeah. Absolutely. You could feel it. I could feel my mood change when I do those right things.

1:17:34Oh, yeah. Green juice in the morning. That's another big thing. Nutri -bullet. Oh, yeah. A spinach, celery, cucumber, a laminate. You got to be careful with that stuff, though. One of the things that I found that I didn't know when I used to drink a lot of kale shakes is you get a high level of oxalates from that stuff, from non -cooked vegetables. And some people, not everyone, but some people develop like kidney stones and things along those lines. Yeah. Oxalates can be a problem. Like, when you're grinding up kale and spinach and eating it raw, you're taking it and exorbitant amount of oxalates.

1:18:11And you just love those raw vegetables. And that lemon just kicks you too, man. It just sets the tone to eat better for the rest of the day, too. Sure. I generally just take athletic greens. And most of my diet is just meat. Yeah. It's like the majority of my diet is meat and fruit. I would say occasionally I have a piece of bread. Occasionally I'll have a dessert. Occasionally I allow myself to little treats. The vast bulk, probably like 90 % of what I eat is just wild game meat, rib eye steaks, and fruit. That's it. What about olive oil? I love it. Yeah, it's great, too. Because you gotta be say I made that mistake on like a keto diet, too, not satiating myself enough with enough fats, you know what I mean?

1:18:52So I make that mistake and then you stray off it and people go, well, if you start eating about the keto diet, you start eating carbs again, you gain their weight right back. It's like, go figure. Well, the keto diet is a weird one because it seems very culty to me. All the people that are in the keto, it's like there's something about it. It just becomes, there's great benefits to it. There's great benefits to elevating your ketones for mental clarity for your energy levels through the day. And, you know, I've had Dom Diogostino on the podcast who's a scientist at a Florida who's very interesting guy because he's super fit like really like very strong, very athletic and adheres to a keto diet, which is unusual for a scientist to be like that jacked in that dedicated to working out, but also very, very like educated in the pros and benefits and the studies that show that there's real benefits to just living off of fats and that's probably what most of our ancestors did right back in the day before agriculture and things like that.

1:19:55But cutting sugars is huge. It is. It really is. It slows you down. And I used to get like ferociously hungry and I was like, is it because I'm lifting too much? It's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's your sugars. Your sugars are too high. We're all cut. We're all addicted to sugar. Yeah, I'm sure you've seen those pictures of like people from the 1960s on the beach versus like 2020 on the beach and what the fuck happened? Sugar happened. Right. Corn syrup happened. Yeah. process carbohydrates. That's why I fructose corn syrup is the worst man. It kills you. It's in everything. It's so nuts how many things have corn in it.

1:20:29Have you ever seen that documentary King Corn? No. Great fucking documentary. But the documentary goes over like all the different things that have corn in them. Yeah. And that it's because corn is subsidized because corn is a cheap substitute for things and you can add it to stuff for corn sweetener and you know it's just in everything. And your body doesn't do anything with it. Your body's like what is this? Right. This way you shit out corn. Like when you look at corn in the toilet, that's because your body doesn't digest. Fuck is this. You know you don't find like watermelon in there. Watermelon just gets absorbed by your body.

1:21:04Your body knows what to do with it. It's normal. Your body with corn is like what the fuck is this thing? You know. Yeah, but feeling good every day is the goal. You know feel good every day and you'll be able to do great things. If you got to deal with your body, yeah, you just got to take care of your body. And that's something that unfortunately with comics, you want some coffee? Yeah, I'll take some. The thing about comics is a lot of us are fucking impulsive and you're spending the nights at the clubs, drinking and party it and hanging out with a bunch of other assholes and everybody's having fun and it's just easy to just.

1:21:36And also you're a creative, you know, you're a creative type and creative types, you know, tend to be by nature less disciplined. And more intelligent. Yeah. So yeah, they're not mutually exclusive. People want to think that creativity and discipline like they fight against each other, but they don't. They just, it's just impulsive people. They tend to fuck things off and not do them. It's also like why you got into comedy in the first place because you didn't want a job. You didn't want to grind. And so you figured out like, well, I fucking, I'm not being a garbage man. That sucks. I'm going to go to open mic night and you figure out how to make star.

1:22:14Yeah. I'm special. I'm special. Yeah, that's the weirdest thing, right? And then there's the other thing. That's the thing that happens when you get famous. Like you have to fight that demon now. I'm sure. I'm sure that's a whole another, the whole other thing. And a lot of people crack. There's a lot of Chris Tucker's out there in the world without really famous. And then just like, ah, Martin Lawrence cracked a lot of people crack. And some of them are like legit mental health issues. And some of them, it's just the overwhelming pressure of fame and, you know, and maintaining focus and discipline.

1:22:47And also you got everybody around you that's kissing your ass. That's a big thing. Yeah, you start believing it. Yeah. Yeah. That's another big thing. You have a lot of people not telling you the truth. Yeah. And calling yourself out on stuff. Are you ready for that? I think so now. I mean, I'm older now. I'm 50. Yeah, that helps. Yeah. That definitely. Yeah. Back in the day, maybe not, you know, I was always pretty disciplined, but yeah, yeah, I would not want to get famous at like 18, 19 or so, like some of these kids are, depends on your race too. You know what I mean? If you're raised with that discipline, like my father never let me get to, um, at a control.

1:23:21That's good. Very much like you think this is all free. Where we live here? We live in here for free. What do you think this is? You know what I mean? A hotel? Do you think your mother just cooks and does your laundry and it's all for free? I love that. It's like that Italian, um, you know what I mean? They push it. Yeah. Make sure that you appreciate where you're coming from. And a lot of mentality. Yeah. I had a lot of that growing up. Yeah. That's good for you. That is good for you. But still some people succumb to that fucking demon. Yeah. Demon of fame. Yeah. Yeah. Look at Elvis. Yeah. Everybody.

1:23:50Everybody cracks. Yeah. It's really interesting. Like when you think about people like Elvis or Michael Jackson, when they got famous like that, there had been no roadmap. Right. There was no one that famous before them. Right. So it's like all of a sudden your Elvis presence. Yeah. She's a movie. I didn't see it. It's fucking good. I didn't see it. It's really good. It's like television because there was no television. So television like changed the game and made these guys international like stars. And that's what they weren't used to that. Yeah. I mean, they're doing all these late night talk shows.

1:24:22Right. And they're performing in front of millions of people for the way. No one's ever like before Elvis came along. No one had ever been really that famous. I don't think that I don't don't think there was anybody like that before. Right. And then this guy's got to figure out and he's got people handing him pills and he's banging all these broads. Right. It's like, right. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck. Sort that out. My favorite Elvis is Elvis on pills doing karate. Those are my favorite Elvis. It's a fucking love those videos. Have you seen those videos? No. I've seen him do karate like to a montage.

1:24:59Yeah. Songs. But I've never seen like him actually just a long stretch of it. I've seen him in a karate outfit doing it. Well, he would wear a karate outfit with one of those big collared shirts on under the key. It's great. In case he had to perform. I don't even know why he was doing it. If he didn't want to be anywhere without his collared shirt. And so, you know, he's clearly high as fuck. And he's doing like kind of fake karate. It's got, look at him. He's all piled up, sweating like a pig. And this was like, look, sunglasses on Elvis. Why do you have sunglasses on? Like what the fuck is going on?

1:25:35And he was training under a legitimate karate guy in Ed Parker. Like Ed Parker was the fucking man. I mean, he was like the absolute legit karate guy. And that's who Elvis got his black belt from. Was it a real black belt? I don't say no. You see like these. Look at this. Watch this. Like back that up a little bit. This is what I'm going to do. Man, I'm going to put it going on my back. I'm going to turn him on like this. Look at this. I'm going to turn him real quick. I mean, it's the dumbest shit of all time. And I'm going to get him right in the face because he's not even going to notice coming down my elbow and then I'm going to trip him here.

1:26:13Like this is so bad. Yeah. This is so dumb. By the way, they got shot. You are five times away. You're a liver as four holes in your dead. It's so dumb. Hear my animal. Grab a bottle of ice. Yeah. What you going to do? I mean, and if you listen to him talk back then, he's like clearly intoxicated. Right. He's just fucked up on downers. Just doing karate, feeling like a champ. Now the other side of it is Gary Coleman. Gary Coleman who, uh, that's great. Gary Coleman loses everything. It becomes a security guard. Yeah. And then like he's working as a security guard protecting like a set where Pamela Anderson and a bunch of TMZ guys come in and Gary Coleman launches on.

1:26:57There's video of it. We launch us onto the car and is like, yeah, you're not going anywhere. I actually love that. I love like a person, especially a famous person who's not doing a menial job, but is doing it to their best of their ability. I love that. There's not a lot of people that become famous and then do a regular job. Yeah. People do get really interested in those people when they do do that. Like, look, he's like one of us again. Yeah. Look. Yeah. But everybody loves to shame that guy. Everybody loves to shame him. But I actually, I love that. Isn't that fucked? Isn't that fucked because if you just saw a security guy, yeah, you'd be like, Hey man, what's up?

1:27:31How you doing? I'm going building for all right. Take it easy. Yeah. It's normal. Yeah. But if you're like, Hey, you're that fucking guy. Yeah. You fucking loser. Yeah. Look at you. Yeah. Nobody thinks that about a regular security guy. Right. See, regular security guy. It's just a guy. But if a security guy who's on like Falcon crest, like, Oh, right. Look at you, right? Right. It's weird. Yeah. That's the problem with fame. Like you don't want to be a husband. Yeah. A husband is worse than it never was. Right. Right. This is very strange. Yeah. You know, like, at least the guy fucking made it for a little while.

1:28:02No, I love it. He's got pictures. Yeah. And I love the mental focus of the fact that you're doing this job now to the best of your ability. I actually love that a lot. Any menial job, anybody doing any I'm quote unquote, meanial job. Yeah. It's not much money. There's no reason really to excel. But I love there's people who go and above and beyond in those jobs. Yeah. And I actually love that. Yeah. Well, there's a stoic discipline to that. That's very admirable to someone who just does the job to the best their ability and says how you do one thing is how you do everything. Right. And if you could do it, you can still that in the kid.

1:28:37Oh, that's a fucking. Yeah. That's a tremendous benefit to have that broad got to piss. Yeah. We're at back folks. You don't get a mug shot because he's the president. No, no, it is. He was the president. There was, I think there's just too much going on. Sure. Service people. Everything going looking at him. Yeah. There's some pictures that I think they're AI generated of him standing in this street walking down this street with a giant crowd of people behind him with American flags. I'm like, that's got to be fake. Is that fake? There was a lot of like he just he was barely seen walking in and out of a building, I think, like officially.

1:29:11So I don't know with the AI picture you saw was like him on the street in public. And there's a throng of fans behind him. He's walking on the center street. I'm like, that looks fake. You can't tell anymore now. It's well, you saw the fake images of Trump being arrested. Do you see those? Mm -hmm. There's like all these fake images of them like grabbing him. He's screaming. And it's like they can, there's fake images of him in the orange jumpsuit. Wow. AI can do such insane things now. You can do our jokes. Yeah. See that? Yeah. They more it's like you could just put in a comic. Yeah. And then just can write a joke.

1:29:46Write a joke. And Nate Bargazzi style talking about going to a baseball game. Yeah. And it'll do it. Yeah. I mean, that's eventually going to get better. It'll get so good that shitty comics can have chat GPT write their premises. Yeah. Write their material, which is I guess, I mean, I mean, I mean, am I against that? I don't know if I'm against that. I kind of am because I don't think you get like a really unique creative style like a gym gaff again, a weird like very specific style. Right. And unless you learn how to do that in front of crowds over and over and over again for years. Yeah. Yeah.

1:30:23And that guy, like, you know, he's writing. He's performing. He's trying it. He's fucking around. He's doing these different things. Yeah. Like David Tell, yeah. Every morning, that motherfucker gets up with a pack of cigarettes and a fucking newspaper and a cup of coffee. And he's just like writing things down, going over stuff and fucking with it in his head. Yeah. The idea that chat GPT can do that for him. I don't like it. I don't like it either at all. What does that leave us? But if I was an open -micer and I needed some premises, which are that's the one thing that drives me fucking crazy when people steal premises.

1:30:57It's so hard to come up with a premise. It is fruit that you've like climbed to the top of a tree and risk your life to grab that apple. Right. And someone goes, oh, I'll take that apple. And then I'll write my own thing on that apple. Okay, you motherfucker. You saw that guy grab that apple. That's his apple. Right. And you know, when people go, well, I can write a joke on the subject too. Yeah, yeah. Sort of. But you're on the subject. Is completely derivative of his. That's a great thing about a tell. Oh, yeah. You'll get a text from him. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Give a joke about a clown on a tricycle who's on meth.

1:31:33It's like, Dave, not only do I not have that, I've never. Well, he thinks when things come to him too easy. Because I've had that happen to me too. My god, have I heard this before? Because my memory is really good and also really bad. Like it's really good. But sometimes it sucks. It's like, it's so inconsistent sometimes. Right. Because like if something's important to me, I can remember everything about it. But if it's something like, I got kind of remembered, is that my remember in that wrong? Right. We did it yesterday. Like there's this video that I had that I was like, oh, that's that Bob Seska video.

1:32:06And then I'm watching. I'm like, no, it's not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it was different. And then we corrected it. Oh, no, no, no, that's his was different. I can't even find them. Have you found that Bob Seska video? Well, I found a few. I mean, there's just become a lot of videos all that topic. Oh, no, topic. Yeah. Well, McKenna made it. So it's the the stoned ape theory. It's a theory that when chimpanzees ate mushrooms or lower primates ate mushrooms, it advanced their intelligence and that's how they became human. It's a very interesting thing because it's scientific.

1:32:34It really is believe it or not. Like there's actual scientists that believe like this guy Dennis McKenna, who believes that that is probably how human beings. That's really funny. Really crazy. That's really something. Yeah. But there's a there was a video about it. And I couldn't remember. I saw the video and I had conflated them in my head. And I had it this other video that Bob Seska did a long time ago about aliens fucking with monkeys and turning them into people. And then I had to fuck them up. And I realized while I was watching like, no, no, no, this is not it. So like my memories really good and also sucks.

1:33:08Right. So when I when I come up with a bit too easy, it comes to me, I'm like, God damn it. I've heard that before. Yeah. And then he got to Google it or figure it out. But Google's nice though, because you can Google that joke on something. And then it's like, Oh, look, Mitch had burger to joke on that. Like, right. That's where it came from. Yeah. Well, with TikTok now, it's kind of crazy because it just seems like everything is just fair game. I'm not even on TikTok, but I'm on TikTok. Yeah. I don't have to talk. I'd you know, my my thought was that's Chinese spyware. I don't know what my fucking passwords and all sudden my email gets compromised.

1:33:41And there's a balloon over your house. I'm for the weather. What was the deal with those fucking balloons? Did they ever figure out whose balloons those were? That had been them timing our response. I thought it's just a response time thing. That's not actually a weather balloon thing. Maybe. But I had heard also that those balloons were flying around when Trump was president. They didn't tell them about it because they didn't want Trump going crazy like shooting nukes at the fuck. They bomb blow off in the balloon. They nick the balloon. Yeah, I mean, it's just fucking wild. But the TikTok being from China, which it is.

1:34:16Yeah. The last, I don't know how I was thinking back how many iPhones I bought, they come directly from China. They're shipped from China. Oh, yeah. TikTok's already on them. No, no, no, no, but the phone shipped right from there. So like, why, how do we know that they're not yeah, well, this is one you have to think of. According to Gavin DeBecker, who's a security expert, like a legitimate genius, he told me that there was an original Pegasus application that was invented by the Israelis. And it was a spy program. And it required you to click a link. And this is how MBS got Jeff Bezos. Remember when Jeff Bezos had some dick pics get leaked?

1:34:51I don't think I don't remember that. Yeah. Well, what happened was allegedly someone sent him a link on WhatsApp. He clicked on that WhatsApp link. And then it downloaded this this spyware onto his phone that he wasn't aware of. Right. But apparently now with Pegasus two, all they need is your phone number. So all these security companies, I'm sure the NSA, anybody else, they just need your, like I got a conversation with a friend of mine about this last night. He's like, how do you handle that? I go, I assume that the government or someone is listening to everything I say, every email. So I just don't say anything that stupid.

1:35:28I mean, if you go through, that's good, that's good to live by. But if they wanted to go through my meme collection, you know, the things that I like, you know, I have a chat with Shane Gillis, Mark Norman and Ari Shapiro, we protect our parks. We have a group chat. And it's the most fucking ridiculous shit's constant chaos. You can take any one of those things that looks horrible. Yeah, you pull it out. It's not for you. It's for us. It's for comics. Talking shit to each other. Having fun. That's great. But that's just part of the program. Luckily, I have the ability to explain that. Like I've said, the jujuge, you do a thing with Greta Thornberg getting fucked in a gangbanger.

1:36:06I didn't make it. Somebody sent it to me. And I thought it was funny. I'm sorry. I think inappropriate things are funny. But, you know, but that's you have to make that assumption. Like kids don't understand that. Like, and I'm so glad there was no phones around when I was 15. There'd be a thousand pictures of my dick. Yeah, yeah. I'd be sending them to everybody. I think everybody would have, I think everybody would have back in the day. Chinese weather ballooned the flu over US gathered intelligence from military sites. Oh, I kind of reported for two days ago. This is a Irish site independent Ireland.

1:36:40And another site called the time they don't know where it was from. Interesting. Add block. But there is reporting that. And I don't know. Yeah. And they just basically explained it by saying it was a weather balloon. I mean, that's a, uh, that's a, uh, that's a, that's a pretty bad lie. Don't we have satellites? What do you have a balloon? It's a weather balloon. It just is what it is. Yeah. I mean, I think it's also probably a fuck you. It's fly a balloon of a fucking country. I think so too. Yeah. It was a push. It was a push to see our response time on it, I think. I guess it's a fucking one to see what we would do.

1:37:17It's a weird world. It's a weird world. Chinese spy balloon captured sensitive military info after all. US officials say Beijing obtained US military intelligence from spy balloon that was shot down in early February. I've had Mike Baker on multiple times. The Fox guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's a former CIA operative. And he essentially said that one of the things that China's been doing by the way they gather intelligence is they have, they sell cell phone towers at a very low rate and they install them all around these sensitive areas. So like, if you go to where these military sites are and the, was it Wyoming?

1:37:58Is that where it was? Were you explaining to us? There are Idaho, like in the, yeah. And all these areas where these, this sensitive intelligence is going on, it's like China has all these cell phone towers set up there. And it's their equipment that they put in. And we already know that that's the reason why they banned Huawei from the United States. And Mike talked about that as well, that Huawei was using whether it's routers or all their different types of equipment that were selling had third party access. So they could like steal data and they could steal intellectual property. So they could we wind up.

1:38:34That's like one of the things China does. They, anytime the United States has an idea, they just copy that and make it better. And they constantly do that. And Huawei was genius at it. Huawei before they banned them had the fucking best phones that you could get. And I was about to buy a Huawei phone like right before they got rid of them because they're crazy cameras. And that's a Chinese company. Yeah. They just push stuff to the edge, make the best shit available and then steal all the data. Yeah. I mean, I don't understand technology at all. I'm barely able to function on my phone. Oh, we better that way.

1:39:12Yeah. I mean, it's a rabbit hole that if you go down to, you know, my Instagram jacked. And it's like I fell into a fishing scam or whatever. And I got it taken from me. How they get you? They said, do we have intellectual property, something you're using something clips or something that, you know, it's my clip, but it was from like TV. And it's like, it's intellectual property issue. And it's like, click here to figure it out or to clean it up. And I clicked on it. And the guy was like, he text me. He's like, we got you. Yeah. He's like, we got you. So what he said, yeah, send me $5 ,000 and I'll give you your account back.

1:39:57Wow. So did you? Now I said, but your sister says she's having a good time with me. I didn't, I just didn't respond because I didn't know, you know, whatever, but I was like in a panic then because I was like, do they have other, I don't know, I don't know stuff. So it's like, do they have my account in for all my all my information? I don't know if it's just Instagram. I don't know what's connected to what credit card. Yeah. I started panic. I started flipping out, you know what I mean? So I call my friend as a tech guy. Ben Rosenfeldschat out to Ben. And he like, he's also comic and he like helped me try to figure it out.

1:40:34But there is no recourse. Like there's no recourse for it. It's like, it's like, you can file a complaint, but it's just basically gone. You can start a new account. Oh wow. Yeah. So your account's gone. No, I didn't have to do that. I had another friend help me to get it back. He worked for the, he had a company, has an account with a company and the company helped me get it back. Fortunately. But I mean, as an individual, as a private citizen trying to get that back, it's like deaf, deaf ears, man. They don't care. Well, there's just too many of them, I think. I think it's happening at scale.

1:41:08It's like you're dealing with someone, a company like say Instagram. How many people do they, let's guess? How many people are on Instagram? What do you think? Well, there's 350 million people in the country, right? But in the world, there's Instagram. Yeah. How many people do you think? Billions. Just take two billion. What do you think? I three billion. I'll say two. I'll say, what do you think? How many people do you think are on? It's probably one. One billion. But daily active user to be less to. Let's find out how many accounts are on Instagram. Let's google that. How many individual accounts are on Instagram?

1:41:40I'm saying two billion. What do you think, Jimmy? Do you say one? You say like two, three? Yeah, Facebook's the most and it's not that it's not over two billion yet. Oh, it isn't? Pretty sure. I thought it was. Facebook's my world wide. Yeah. Facebook changes elections in places. Like that's crazy. Right. I had Zuckerberg on and you can tell like having a conversation with that guy. I'm off. Instagram is 2 .35 billion active users. Wow, that's you. Wow. That's crazy. That's a lot of things. Yeah, I guess it would be hard for them to field. I guess it would be hard for them to field by complaints.

1:42:17Look at me, Mom, that's fourth amongst the biggest social media networks globally. So let's number one, Facebook's number one, 2 .9 billion. YouTube is 2 .2. I don't really consider YouTube social media not that much. Right. Because maybe it is. I guess it is. But I don't use it that way. I use it for entertainment. Yeah. If I'm watching YouTube and watching stuff like fights or clips, yeah. What's app is 2 billion? Well, what's app is a communication app? I don't think that's social media. Instagram 2 .35 TikTok. TikTok's only one billion. That's interesting. I would have thought it was way more.

1:42:52I think it is. I think it's on the rise though. Isn't it TikTok like a thing? And then Instagram Reels is competing with it, right? We're so there. Where's Twitter? Yes. I feel like that's I've also Twitter is never been in the top 10. Really? But it's not even in the top. Oh, it's way down there. 397 million. Wow. I think Twitter runs their fucking way more like Pinterest. Pinterest is 475 million. Reddit. Look at Reddit. 430 million. I'm not on Reddit at all. Reddit's chaos. Jesus Christ. I know guys will go on Reddit and they read about themselves and they go down a dark road. They get their feelings hurt.

1:43:27Oh, there's a bunch of intelligent vipers on Reddit. Facebook runs the top five, three of the top five. Which is a little strange because they've split them all up and this could just be one app. Well, you know, messenger could just be Facebook. Yeah. Wasn't that one of the things that they asked chat GPT? Like do you think that Facebook is a monopoly and should it be broken up? I mean, absolutely. They said yes. Yeah. What does Zuckerberg say? Why didn't ask him about that? No, but for him, it was interesting because he's a very nice guy. Yeah. And you know, people think of him as like a robot and a thing.

1:43:57I think he's not that at all. He's a guy who created this thing a long -ass time ago with no anticipation of what it was going to become. And it became this fucking worldwide monster. This thing that's just it's so big. And you know, he's pretty interesting guy. And very forthcoming, he was explaining like about how the FBI contacted him about the hundred -bodied laptop and explained it on the podcast that it created a firestorm controversy. I'm sure. I'm sure he was just kind of casually explaining, but the FBI told us that there was going to be some disinformation coming out of Russia. And you know, we're told that this and that.

1:44:34And so we limited it. It's a reach. And then just fucking giant news like that this is just I mean, this guy just created a fucking dating site for college kids. Right. You know, right. It's amount of years ago. But he was instrumental in growing it though too. You know what I mean? And with that comes like bad stuff, obviously. You know, not just the good the good parts of it. And also, I mean, more most recently, he took a big blunder with that whole meta thing where they thought that everybody was going to put on headsets and delve into the voice. Oh, yeah. And that shit didn't work at all.

1:45:04No, why? It's too weird. Yeah. I love the beyond that's close to I mean, that's that will mess. I mean, you want to talk about social media fucking with your mind like that meta stuff like in a alternate reality where I'll just live in you're basically getting closer to just being in a pod. You know, I mean, having that on. Yes. You know, as your reality. It's going to happen. Yeah. It's going to happen. It's just like, look, when I was a kid in the 1980s and 90s, there was times. Good times. But there was times back then where people thought virtual reality was going to be the future. But the technology wasn't available.

1:45:41It didn't really work. But it was always this thought, you know, that one day we're going to live in virtual reality. And that was the matrix that was like all these different things. But it was like science fictiony enough that it was so far ahead. Yeah. And then the technology was kind of clunky. So it never really took off. But then when Oculus came around and what were the other ones? There was another big one other than Oculus five. That's right. The HTC Vive that they were they were so good. You're like, Oh, maybe we're close. And there's this is a fun fucking games you can play on that.

1:46:13Apparently, there's an alien like alien one, the movie game that is fucking terrifying. And you play it and you're on the Nostromo that that spaceship. Yeah. And the fucking aliens in the spaceship. And you know, you're going down dark corridors and rains dripping. And you know, the thing just jumps out at you. It's fucking terrifying apparently. But that for whatever reason, they thought that was just going to just sweep the whole country. And everyone was going to it was a virtual reality mask that you put on the Oculus. Yeah. The Oculus. It's very light. The new one is very light. Like the old ones, we had the HTC Vive at the studio.

1:46:48And it had to be attached to a backpack. And it was like a cable that came above you when we had a cable suspended from the ceiling. So we had like a sectioned off area where you could play in it. And then it got better and Carmack, John Carmack got involved. And you know, they made even better versions of it. And then it became something you just sit on your head. And then when that happened, I was like, Oh boy, we're getting close now because now it just sits in your head and you have these two controllers in your hand. But it's still just people are not that interested in it, which is interesting.

1:47:18That's good. I think it's a good thing not to be on it. I think it's going to be the future. I think there's going to be something that's so wonderful and so exciting that you can't get out of it. It's going to be weird how it morphs with your mind. It's going to eventually morph with your mind. Right. So it'll be like part of you kind of that's where we kind of morph into the robot world. I guess that's happening. It's going to happen. It's just a matter of like what is it? 10 years or 20 years whatever it is. But technology is going to reach a point where it's so look, no one ever would have thought that you would have a thing in your pocket where you couldn't stop looking at it.

1:47:55Right. It's it's I'm still I'm still amazed by it. I got in New York, you know, and I'm watching people and I'm watching people just walk down the street with it on and they're not conscious of anything else that it's going on. And they're just walking down the streets. Dangerous. Dangerous as cars that could hit you. It's like all of it. They're just walking down the street just immersed in. Actually, if you're on the subway and you're not on it, if you're just staring forward, like you're the weird one. You're the weird one. Yeah. Everybody else like what's this guy doing? You got to subway with a book like what do you do?

1:48:27The fuck is this guy throw back? You're reading a book. Yeah. A real book. Yeah. It's not even a kindle. Yeah, it's unreal. It's unreal. Yeah, it's I had a book on my phone. That's I'm reading it on my phone. That's amazing to me. I think to have all that information, just a library. Oh, the library app. You can just download books from the library on your phone and read them and return them. Yeah. It's that's fantastic. Well, I have most of the books that I consume. I consume audio books. I get on the way to work, coming home from work and the sauna. That's why I do most of my listening to books.

1:49:00And I probably have 200, 300 books on this little tiny phone. It's unreal. And they're all hours long. Yeah. Like it's a terabyte of data on that phone. So there's so much room and also it just stores in the cloud anyway. Right. There's no room. It's in the cloud. They download it and it's fucking there's never been a time that you get more access to information. But there's also never been a time where you're more distracted. Yeah. That's the that's the rub. Yeah. That's the rub. But if you're focused on the information, man, it's like it's college. Basically a college in your pocket. Yeah. It's unbelievable.

1:49:34And people listening might be like, what do you know, because people grew up with this. But we didn't. Right. Like I knew a time where this didn't exist at all. Like me and my brother had a room together. It was both of us. No TV allowed in the room dinner together at a certain time. Unless you're working or you or you're at a sports practice, you have in dinner. My father's playing music while we have dinner. We're talking about our day. And then when we go to sleep, it's like a room. No television because he didn't want to send our room. Watch and television on our own. You want to watch television.

1:50:05You're out with the family. Right. You know, it's it's that kind of thing. So I guess, you know, it's a different world. Yes. And it's been a gradual thing. But it's still very, very different. Like I don't have kids. So I don't know how that would be. But I guess I mean, like what you do, what you implement with your children. It's difficult to write thing. They get mad at you. Yeah. Put your phone up. Yeah. They get mad because that little dopamine rush is not even a big rush. Right. That's what's weird. It's like this little drip of dopamine. Yeah. Yeah. But you like, there's this pole. I was in big text.

1:50:38Yeah. Yeah. Hey, man. It was great. I see some people on the podcast. They can't help but they reach for their phone. Yeah. That's the thing. Look, they just they just check their text messages. And this is your podcast. And it's giant. There's millions of people watching someone just look at their phone. It's like, it's nuts. But they can't help it. They just get so sucked in. I've done it to the point where it's like when I first get up, I don't I make sure I don't look at it and do other things first. And then I set time aside. And I mentally prepare myself. I go, okay, now I'm going to look at it.

1:51:07I'm going to look at it. I'm going to do as much as I want for 15 minutes. Check everything. Make sure everything's up. Check the comp. Check the comments. And now that the special is out like respond to people as much as I can. And then after that window is over, not again. Yeah. Now the trick is a YouTube because I like to watch stuff on YouTube. But it's like I don't want to get addicted to scrolling on YouTube. So that's that's the difference there. But I'm definitely addicted to watching stuff on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. When I have breakfast, I fucking I got this little it's pretty cool. This little kickstand thing that sticks up your phone.

1:51:43That's great. I think this is called a coup case or something like that. I forget what it's called. But it's like bam. So I just sit there. It's great. And then watch stuff for a meeting. Right. And then I think I'm not addicted that way. Oh, I'm just being a dream. But that's YouTube. You're watching you're watching substance there instead of mindlessly scrolling, which is what I was doing. And it just that creates so many bad like emotions and stuff. It's like I don't want I don't want to feel that way. And that weird that mindlessly scrolling creates bad emotions. Like what is that? Why doesn't do that?

1:52:13Is it just you feel like you're wasting time? You're wasting time. You're seeing a bunch of different things like, you know, the energy coming from the thing. I'm a big energy guy too. It's like the energy coming from it is it hits. Even when you're looking at your eye, try that for a while. Looking at my own. So I'll just look at my own stuff. I won't look at everybody's stuff. But then you start getting like how many likes does this have? How many it's like you end up yeah, you end up swimming in your own narcissism. So it's like no, stop that now. Yes, absolutely. But if I'm my point is I'm navigating this at 50 when my mind has already been developed.

1:52:46What chance do kids have developing through this time period? It's a different world. But I think they're going to be fine. Yeah, I really do. I think there's going to be a transitionary period where we lose a lot of kids. They don't they don't know what the fuck they're doing and they get lost in it. But there's going to be enough kids that recognize like, okay, this is just the new reality of life. And if you want to be successful just like you when you were young, I had focus and dedication. You realize there's a lot of people out that don't do that and you know, I can learn from them what not to do.

1:53:17Right. There's kids that are doing that now too. And like I have friends that very much limit their kids access to social media. They don't allow them on things. They don't allow them to have a phone. I don't think that's the way to do it because this is a reality. And I think that if you give the kids the tools and the understanding to handle that, it this is a new level of adversity that they have to deal with that we didn't have to deal with. But it's the way I look at it, it's like cold weather. Like if you grew up in a place with cold weather, you developed an understanding of what the fuck that means.

1:53:50Like you got a shovels know, you got to deal with it. And you do I think they have a new level of adversity because of the pressures of social media and because of like the shit talking that's right. Especially with girls. Right. Girls are fucking mean to each other. Yeah. Yeah. The reputation destructs in the comments and shit on each other and group chats. And it's it gets real nasty. And you developed a level of resilience from being able to handle that. Right. And after a while you get okay with it. And you have to understand what that is. But you have to understand what that is. Yeah. And it's you're right.

1:54:23You're like going in with that mindset is the important thing. It is. But if you're just caught off guard with it. Yeah. Then it can crush you. And it has driven people to suicide. It definitely has done that. And there's also a thing the FOMO aspect and the comparison. And this is apparently very bad with girls as well because there's a lot of people that are using filters and they're changing their body. And these girls see these people and they look perfect. And then they see themselves in the mirror and they have zits and they look like shit and they were the little overweight. And they get massively depressed.

1:54:53Right. And then they think well the only way to for me I have to be like that person. So I have to do what they're doing and and and be completely focused on my looks. And and some people just unfortunately through a genetic role of the dice they don't have good features. They don't they don't look good. They don't have a good body. Right. And then they just feel fucking depressed because they're comparing themselves to this thing. See like if you are a comic and you want to be a great comic and you're kind of funny and you're figuring out you can see like Chris rock and you go maybe I could get to that spot.

1:55:26Right. Maybe I can get there. But if you're a girl and you you're born with an unfortunate appearance. Right. And you compare yourself to some bombshell who's like doing squats with their giant ass in front of you like I can't be that person. It's not attainable. Right. That's very very depressing. Very difficult. Very hard. Very difficult to deal with because the pressures of that it's like that is one of the most important things on social media is to be attractive. Yeah. It's a it's a currency in and of itself. You know there's people that I I see on Instagram that are like they have 45 million fucking followers.

1:56:00Right. All they're doing is squats and yeah. Looking pretty. And there's also a thing with placing undue value on that. 45 million. I'm a winner. Right. You have less. You're not. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. And there's also something to be said for just being bored. Just let yourself be bored. Yeah. Let yourself be uncomfortable. Let yourself you know just sitting in the void once in a while and not be bored. Be be unhappy. It's okay to be unhappy. It's okay to be uncomfortable. And I think that gets lost a lot because of this instant gratification. Why? For comics being bored is very important because that's where some of the ideas come from.

1:56:42You know and the people that don't like goggins when he runs. Yeah. He don't listen to shit. That's that's that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He listens to his breath maybe. He listens to his inner demons. Yeah. His conversations with the fucking room in hell that he has in the back of his head. And he tells those demons who the fuck the boss is. Yeah. Yeah. That's a you know. I mean I don't do that. But the guy who wrote Game of Thrones is a you know that guy's from Staten Island. So it's like you know the level of imagination the detail that he must have had in imagining this world. Uh -huh. I've he would have had a phone maybe that doesn't happen.

1:57:21Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. It's possible. But I mean it's also possible. He was a hot guy. Right. I mean like if he was a hot guy and had option of all these women and going to the beach and lifting and all this stuff like maybe he doesn't write that. But you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I'm not reading Mario Lopez's book. You know I'm saying. He's too hot. He's too hot. He's too hot. Good looking guy. Fucking great body. Yeah. Just a winner. Winner all the way through in his life. Yeah. What is that great? And it's supposed to be a great box. It's pretty good box. Yeah. He's a very boxer. Yeah. He's done Jiu -Jitsu now too.

1:57:57Completed in tournaments. Yeah. He's a good blue belt in Jiu -Jitsu. Really? Yeah. And abs. Like when he was on Saved by the Bell. Like I remember he was like a wrestler on Saved by the Bell. And uh Saved by the Bell fan by the way. And uh he was uh he just was shredded then. Yeah. You know what I mean? And shredded all the way always. You know I'm sure he works hard. Oh yeah. But like physically gifted. Right. But he's not going to write a game of thrones. Right. Maybe well. What the fuck do I know? But the odds are yeah that that's not going to happen. Like one of my favorite authors is um the guy who wrote Conan.

1:58:32Robert E. Howard. Yeah. And Robert E. Howard was a recluse, a shut -in, lived with his mother, committed suicide in his early 30s. Right. But the fucking books that he wrote like those fantasy novels of Conan, they were fucking amazing when I was a kid. And this is a guy who was you know kind of a shut -in and kind of a you know very depressed. Right. And he wrote about this conqueror. It was like this perfect man who just destroyed things. It fought off dragons and demons and you know and it was amazing work. But if he was you know some beautiful hot man probably that wouldn't have gotten written.

1:59:08Right. Yeah. Right. That's that's the thing about creativity. It's like it's this very strange sort of force that you have to figure out how to tune into. Right. And if you're tuned into other stuff you're not going to give it the time that it deserves. Yeah. But the fact that he couldn't be that hot popular guy it forced, it forced his mind. Mine is just so powerful. Yeah. And it forced you to go to another place. Yeah. Well the ability to write fiction is so fascinating because he and it's so engaging. When someone writes a good book and you're into this character and these fucking scenarios and it's like all fake all invented in this person's mind.

1:59:51Right. You're fucking hard as pounding your hands. It's not like I'm only because there's no filter on it. It's just their thoughts. It's their them constructing it. Yeah. So there's not not these other people putting their hands into it. Yeah. That's why it's raw. Yeah. That's a big one. Right. It's not there's not a bunch of jack offs fucking with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they want to be part of it. Have you ever worked on a television show where that? No, I was fortunate enough for a towel like to bring me into his like a days old porn. Oh, you're doing that. Days old porn. Yeah.

2:00:25I'm fucking undergranted. Did I do an episode of that? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I think I did. I think I did. That's maybe when he was out. That's how many things I've done. I don't even remember what I thought. That's pretty great. I did do it in that hilarious. Like I was about to say, I don't fucking I wish I did that. I thought you did. Well, I did do it. Yeah. But Dave, like that was a fun thing for him because he's kind of a pervert. Like so for him to watch porn with the old porn stars. The classic. Yeah. The classic. Yeah. The classic porn. There's something about those watching things like mystery science theater.

2:01:04Yeah. Like that kind of thing watching and mock you Yeah. There it is. That's great. Yeah. hilarious. Did you if you don't remember doing it, you probably won't remember if that was in New York or LA. I believe it was in LA. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was in LA. But because I was on set when he was shooting the ones in New York. Oh, okay. I think me and Kurt Madsker. Oh, really? Oh, I'm with Dave. He's the best. I love that. He's great. He's so funny. Yeah. He's great on Jimmy Dorshow. I don't know if you've seen him on the Jimmy Dorshow. Jimmy Dorshow has a YouTube channel like a political thing and Kurt is like his sidekick.

2:01:38Oh, really? And so Kurt is always like chiming in about things. But what's interesting is like, you know, I've been friends with Kurt for a long time. And now like whenever I talk to Kurt, he's always fucking scaring the shit out of me because he's so well read about what's going on in the world. Yeah. You know, Kurt Madsker was the first person to contact me about this restrict bill, which is like what they're using to say they need to stop things like TikTok. And then you go into what the restrict bill is. You're like, oh my god, this is nothing to do with TikTok. They want the ability to lock down anything that's on social media and stop people from spreading information.

2:02:12It's dangerous to whatever narrative they're trying to capture. And we went over it in depth yesterday. It's fucking terrifying. The ambiguity, the way that they're able to like frame what is what they're able to target. It'll come down to keywords. I'm sure. But these keywords, Metzger is so involved in that world now because he's on Jimmy's show that he's always like looking at corruption and this and that. What's happening in Ukraine? It's a comedy. It's a comedy, right? It is a comedy. Well, it's a political show where in the political social where they look Jimmy Doors, a comic and Metzger is a great comic and the two of them together, they just talk shit and laugh about how fucking crazy modern day politics and influence and inside of trading and all the shit that's going on and Sam Bank from free to an FDX where the money was coming from and how they were all doing it and how they got away with it.

2:03:08And he scares this shit out of me every time I talk to him. When I get a text from Kurt, oh my god, Jesus Christ, I'm going to be a fucking panic now. They just start reading his stuff. Have you heard about this? Have you seen this? I'm like, no, don't do this to me. I know. Kurt on coffee is the best. But I know, it was really a good time because we sit and watch the think of jokes, you know, all the jokes about this old porn and it was great. So I was very fortunate to be brought into that and then comedy. That was really on. That was a long time ago. It was a long time ago now and because I would do spots late at the comedy seller and that's when Dave would be there.

2:03:44And so I would, you know, do my set and then watch his set and then we would hang out talk jokes and stuff afterwards. So it was very fortunate in that way because he's an all -time great. He's one of my favorite comedy world. He's one of my favorite people too. He really is. I don't see him that much anymore because I don't put in late at the seller but just really great times, man. He's a wonderful guy. And he's so sweet to everybody. Like when he does clubs, he brings candy for the waitresses and stuff. He's just so nice, man. Like in that, all that guy cares about his stand -up comedy. His stand -up comedy, you know, he came here and like he takes care of his mom and New York and all he cares about is just getting up and doing jokes.

2:04:28And his attitude was like, I want to go on early, these young guys, like get them, let them have a ride ride. I don't want to interrupt. I don't want to get in the way. I just kind of come in and just work on my new stuff. And so he'll get up at one o 'clock in the morning. So it's like one o 'clock in the morning in the cell or there's 14 people there. David tells on stage, right? Best comics that's ever lived. It's unreal. And he's there because that's when he wants to go up. Like he go up at 9 p .m. and hot crowd and just murder every night with old material. Yeah, he does not. No. No, he's a fucking real pro.

2:05:00He likes to go on late and it's unbelievable. Yeah. And it's really a great example for up and coming comics. Yeah. You get to see how that guy does it. Yeah. Because he's just like, when you think you're pretty good, you think you're you know he's going up to a tired crowd. I had a murder. I was opening for him at the Wilbur. And I boss. And for some reason they didn't have a liquor license or something. So it was at the Wilbur. Yeah, yeah, I didn't for some reason while when we were there. Oh, okay. So it was a two -man show. I was going up and then I was bringing him up. And there's no liquor.

2:05:33So I was like, oh, this is probably going to be pretty tough. So I go up and do 20 and I'm murdering. I'm killing really hard and I bring him up. And then I'm sitting on the side of the stage kind of feeling good about myself. I go, you know what time it's coming. I got it. I'm doing pretty good for myself. The way that I slayed that cold crowd was pretty awesome. I think I'm on my way. And then I started just listening to him and the laughs he was getting. And I was getting laughs. But he was just getting, you know, the depth of the laughter. And with every joke was hitting harder and harder.

2:06:04And his setups were hitting. And then the punchlines obviously hitting and then two tags on the end hitting. It's like the guy does comedy the way that Pacquiao used to fight. He would like hit you and then turn two more times, turn you and then two or three more times and then get out.

2:06:24And just listening. And it's like, I'm at the seller late. So I know the material. But he's no material I haven't heard before. And he's murdering at a level that's just crazy. And at the end of it, it's like none of those people in that crowd even remembered who I was. It's like that's how good he is. Yeah, they leave the show go, oh my god, David. That's the best. The first guy was okay. The first guy was pretty funny. I even think they remembered there was a first guy. Yeah, it's like that's how hard he hit. Yeah, he went up at the improv one night and it was the improv in Hollywood. And it was a pretty late show.

2:07:02And I had gone on earlier in the night. And then I saw David the bar. I'm like, what's up? What's going on? When he going up? He's like going to and the crowd was kind of tired and a couple of people went up. And you know, like when you have a late show, like a 10 p .m. show, when it gets like 11, 30, 12 o 'clock, people are checking their watch. They got to be up at seven and they start thinking about leaving. And then I was like, wow, it's crowd's getting kind of done. Night's done. And a tell went up and it was like he plugged the audience back into the electricity. And just fucking murdered.

2:07:36Effortless murder. Right. And just tag after tag. And I remember sitting in the back going, my god, this guy's a treasure treasure. It's the right word for him. National treasure. National treasure. National treasure. And I don't think enough people understand it. Like he should be in a renaz. Yeah. David tells you to be selling out Madison Square Garden anytime he wants to. Instantly. Right. And he's doing clubs. And he loves it. And he's happy. Right. He's like a real club comic. Yeah. He likes doing all the sets. He likes doing four shows in a week. Yeah. He likes it. Yeah. He's not a fame guy either.

2:08:08Like he's not a fame guy. Like he'll talk to me. He talked to like he's he's not a fame guy at all. We're at the seller. You it's like Chris Rock will come there. Like he's not there all the time. But it's not you know if you see Chris Rock there, you know, it's not crazy. It's not uncommon. Shepelle the same way. If you see him there, it's not crazy. Sign felled once in a while. But Adam Sandler was there one time. And it's like they sit at the back table and you just feel the energy when there's somebody like a shepelle or a Chris Rock back. The energy kind of changed. Like people perk up that the people who they're eating everybody notices the comics start their antennas go up and I understand, you know, the energy.

2:08:48So Adam Sandler happens to be back there and he's never there. And Dave walks in with this you know goes to the bar to get his coffee or whatever hood up. And Adam Sandler goes Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave just in his own world. A tell a tell. And finally he comes up to me and goes, Hey Dave, he goes, Hey, what's up Adam? And then he goes, how you doing man? Doing pretty good. How are you good? And then he goes outside and smokes. He just cuts out. It goes outside. Everybody's like angling to see if they can talk to Adam Sandler and Adam Sandler's like screaming Dave's name until he gets his attention.

2:09:26How are you? Pretty good. Good man. Okay. And then he goes out and smokes on the porch. It's a great. It's classic man. He's a real comics comic. Yeah. Like the best version of a comics comics. I'm like a master of his craft. He doesn't get the appreciation that he deserves and who is universally respected by his peers. Yeah. That's Dave. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He is. So one of the greats of all time in my mind. Me too. It's that's it's so important to have guys like that around. Yeah. The guys in New York are so fortunate. And unfortunately also he has a lot of babies like what we're patrice would call babies.

2:10:03It's like someone like copies your stuff. You'll hear God talking like this. They have a set up in a punch. I know. It sounds like yeah. You got to stop listening to him. I did for a while too. It's like I he's like he got to stop listening to him. You got to stop after a while. It's hard because you want to go because he'll turn you if you're watching him. It's like he'll turn you. When you're watching another comic you'll go what's his angle on this? What's his angle on this? I'm curious to see what his angle is on. Even Chris Rock some of the greats. You know. But with a tell you go down if you go down with that mindset like I wonder what his angle is on this.

2:10:36After three jokes you just become a fan because you're gut laughing. You're gut laughing like the rest of the people in the crowd. You know what I mean? So it's just it's that he turns you into a comedy fan. And then the problem is you go on thinking about his ass and then you compare your own material and like oh my god I hate my jokes. Oh my god that's the biggest thing. It's like his throw away stuff is you are is better than your main stuff. Well that's one of the best things about those showcase style clubs is that you do work with these killers and you have to sort of reevaluate your material.

2:11:11Yeah. If you know you're going to go on after Shane Gillis like Shane was in town this week in Shane right now is in my mind from my money he's got 15 minutes that could fuck with anybody's 15 minutes it's ever lived. He's got god damn assassin. Yeah. He goes on stick. He was going on stage as a mother ship and I watched some of these comics that had to follow him going oh fuck. Yeah. Because he's just throwing eaters. Yeah. It's like 99 mile an hour fastball after 99 mile an hour fastball and he's so likeable. Yeah. Yeah. And he's such a good guy. He's so brilliant. And his facial expressions are so great.

2:11:48Yeah. And he's just he's got his like when he got canceled that holds SNL thing right and he got kicked off of SNL devastated. But he emerged like a fucking phoenix from the ashes. Yeah. He's way better than he was back then. Right. He's like one of the best top 10 comics on planet earth without doubt right now. He's fantastic. And he came out of that pressure. Yeah. And now he's the one who like freaks people out. Yeah. When they know that Shane's going up he's going to do that Trump impression. When he does Trump at the debates like the fucking show is over. And it's not just that it's very punched up all the way through.

2:12:24It's like that New York style. And then he came out of Philly. Yeah. And it's great. It's great to see his success. It's punched up and it's also like it's so smart. Yeah. Like he's got a bit about George Washington because Shane has a deep knowledge of history. He really reads a lot about history. He knows a lot about history. So he can incorporate that. And there's like layers to his comedy. Right. Because of his understanding of things. So he's setting things up. He's doing it in a fun way. We're even the setups are funny. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a big thing. That's a discipline in of itself to get a laugh on the way to the yeah.

2:12:58And to structure it that way. And to like reevaluate and go to me. There's probably a funnier way to get into this. Let me figure out the right way. And it's nice to see the funniest guys win. Yeah. Really is. Well, do you think that in stand up there is a meritocracy in stand up that's undeniable. There's guys who get more popular than maybe the bet like the atel guys. And so you go, well, maybe there's not a meritocracy. But for us, it is for like the best guys are always the best guys. If you you're sitting around with a group of comics and you just watch the show like, oh my god, this guy fucking killed.

2:13:31Right. Like always should. That was good. That meritocracy like that exists in stand up. Like if you if you're not funny, if it doesn't work, nobody cares about you. Right. And that's just how it is. There's no no cult of personality that can carry you over. There's no you can't dress in a way that's going to get people to like you more. Right. You know, like boy, you see his outfit. No, he's a fuck about your outfit. A tell where's the same goddamn outfit every night. He probably has like three versions of that black button up shirt. Three versions of that baseball hat is same goddamn jeans. Right.

2:14:01Right. Doesn't matter. It doesn't he's so nondescript. Yeah. It's almost like he wants to blend in. Right. He wants to blend in and wants to just be the vehicle for the material. Right. But to your point, there's a there's a skill set at the end. We all know the skill set and other hardcore comedy fans know the skill. Yes. And the waitresses because they see it every night. Oh yeah. Yeah. So they know smoke and mirrors. Yeah. And they know what's real. Do you know Eleanor Carrigan? Yes. So Eleanor was a waitress at the comedy store for like, I don't know, like maybe at 10 years. For whichever it is stand up.

2:14:34And we were always go I would go to Eleanor when someone would say, oh, this guy's really funny and I'd go to have you see them and she'd go, so fucking hack. I go really. Yeah. And she was, yeah, it's all tricks and bullshit. Yeah. Smoking mirrors. I'm like, whoa. Yeah. She'd have like a fucking tray of drinks and re -socks. They know. And then you would watch me. Oh my god. She's right. Like so she was a comedy fan. Right. From being there. Right. And like doing and then eventually we all knew she was hilarious. It just took time for her to have the courage to go on stage. Right. Now she's a headliner killing all of the country.

2:15:06It's amazing. But knowing her as an open micer and knowing her as a waitress before she was an open micer. Yeah. She was one of the people that I would go to if I would I would ask her like, hey, how did this person do? How was this person? And she would tell you in a way that like she wasn't jealous because she wasn't a comedy. Right. But she was like deeply embedded in the comedy world. Because you can kill without a skill set. Yes. You can kill without a skill set. personality. Right. Right. And goofiness. Yes. Yeah. You can. And some people that's like their whole and some people are great at it.

2:15:39Right. And that's their whole career. Right. You know. But there's there's something about the well crafted act. Yeah. To me is like I will watch that every time. Me too. Yeah. I like that one. And then I find out someone really good as going on stage. Well, I'm gonna stick around. Yeah. I need to see that. And if you that's the real education that a guy gets if you're in New York, like if you are, you know, you're on these shows with Greer Barnes. You're on these shows with David Telly. Right. You're on these shows where these you get to watch all these fucking killers over and over and over again.

2:16:10And as a comic, you know, it's real. And they're like, God, I'm blown away by this. Greer Barnes, another one. He's not gonna. Greer forever. He's great. He's shows with him in the 90s. So great. And such a such a pleasant guy to see every time I see him, it's like a hug he's just a fantastic guy. And he's in the back. If he's listening to he'll just got laugh. You'll hear him laughing in the back. He's such a supportive guy. Yeah. Colin Quinn is another guy. Okay. Now that I'm not doing at the salary later anymore, I'm more early. So I'll see Colin Quinn more. He's just I mean, he's another guy.

2:16:42He's brilliant. Man. I remember I did tough crowd. And when I did tough crowd, Colin would do stand up in front of the audience. And when I'd say, like, he fucking murdered so hard. And then the show would go on. And I want to say, you know, this show is great. But it's not as good as a stand. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's almost like people don't know. Yeah. Like he's just the host of the stand up. And he's kind of the ringleader. And he's always wrangling all these cats and get all these comics to kind of stay on topic of all the different things they're talking about on tough crowd. But I'm like, my God, the best thing is the warm -up.

2:17:17And Colin's famous. He's famous. He's just, you know, to mean, but I don't think that people appreciate him at the level. I don't think so. I appreciate him. It's like a tell. It's like, yeah. It's the same kind of thing. Like we appreciate. Yeah. Like if we know that Colin's going on stage, everyone's going to watch him. But I think for the average, but it's also that's why they're so good because they don't have this desire for fame. They just have desire to do great work. And they're not thinking about promoting the nothing. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It's Colin even on social media.

2:17:46I don't think I've ever seen a post of his. I think he's on Twitter. I don't know if he's on Instagram. I don't think I've ever even saw a thing that he put up. Yeah. But he's universally respected amongst comedians. It's just like he's a purest. Yeah. And he does his one man shows like Rastate Blue State. Brilliant stuff. Super prolific. Always working and writing. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's one of the real beautiful things about these communities like a community. And that's what I'm trying to establish here in Austin. Right. That's why I put together that club. And that's why I set it up. So there's open mic night, two nights a week every Sunday, every Monday.

2:18:29That's really great. And it's like all the people that work there, like the door men and all the those are all comics. Yeah. And they auditioned as comics to get that job. Great. So they have to do sets in front of Adam. He get they do these sets. People evaluate their sets. And then you have the ability to do these door guy show cases where you're going on front of fucking packed houses. Yeah. It's amazing. And it's good that there's a ladder in place. Yeah. You know, because I went through that in the city as far as like in 2008, the live at Gotham, you know, me and Nate did it the same year live at Gotham.

2:19:00Then 2010, I did a comedy central half hour. I don't know if they even still have that anymore. But a Gotham set is eight minutes, half hours, 22 minutes. Then you work your way up to an hour. You know what I mean? It's like there's a ladder to climb with your skill set. Yeah. Unfortunately, it doesn't really exist anymore. Well, one of the things we want to establish here is we want to want to have a real clear path to becoming a professional. And that if you put together like a real set and then you start doing guest sets on the big shows, the big room. Yeah. And then maybe a guy like David Lucas or a guy like Brian Simpson will take on the road.

2:19:35Right. You want to open for me in Seattle and then you go with him. Right. He flies you out and then you get to see what it's like to be in a new state and a new crowd and that feeling. And then you'll have a clear path to being a professional. Right. And the more professionals there are, the better it is for everybody. Yeah. The more guys make it, the more girls make it, the more it is, it's just better for comedy. Yeah. All around. And it's better that it's nice that you're doing it according to the skill set because some guys develop, like I think Shane developed fast. He developed very quickly.

2:20:05Not that he didn't put in the work, but some guys are like that. Some guys run a 424. You know what I mean? So it's like if you're developing fast, like Tommy Johnigan was a guy like that. I think he did a comedy central half hour, like three years into comedy. But he just, he had it. He was very good. I don't know him. Yeah. He's a writer now. But I was not going to stand up anymore. I think he's kind of dabbling, but he was writing on like network shows. That's a trap. Supremely talented person. That's a trap. Writing on a network show. Yeah. There's a lot of guys. Yeah. Really funny guy. Do you know Owen Smith?

2:20:36Yes. Owen Smith is one of the best comics a lot. Yeah. And I would see Owen at the store. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. How is this guy not world famous? Right. I didn't understand. He has the personality, the charisma, the timing, the material, the writing, everything, everything. But he works in Hollywood. And he is always writing. And so he's always writing on these sitcoms. And he exists in that world. And it's a steady paycheck. He's got a family. Right. And you get trapped. Yeah. And I've seen guys get sucked into that. And they don't get the career that they deserve. It wouldn't be a trap for a less talented person.

2:21:12Right. Right. But for him. Right. It's like he should be like. Right. There's some guys that are really good writers, but they're just not comfortable performing. Right. And they don't like it and give them anxiety. And they would rather just write. Right. They're more introverted. Yeah. But they're really talented for them. That's great. But there's guys that are talented performers that get that gig. And then they get that steady paycheck every week. And then you get in that system where oh, there's a new show. We want you to be a co executive. This for that. Right. Right. Right. And then you know, you go, well, the wife wants a pool.

2:21:43You know, that's right. And next thing you know, you're trapped. That's right. And then you see these other guys that started even after you and they're doing arenas. And you're like, oh my god, if I stayed on the path, I would be doing arenas. Right. Like in my mind, Owen Smith should be doing arenas. Like 100 % when I see him in the store, I'm like, Jesus, that guy's good. Yeah. But he's on that network path. Right. On that sitcom. I think he's a show runner now, which is great. That's great. I mean, that's that's really good money. But it's that stability. I want the world as a comic. I want the world to know.

2:22:12Right. I want to want the world to know how good that guy is. Right. But it's the stability versus the, you know, rolling the dice. It's just just your that just because you're that good doesn't mean you're going to get that kind of exposure. Maybe eventually it'll happen. It's, but you might have to walk through fire. You're going to walk through fire. Yeah. No matter what, if you don't have a draw, but you do have the skill set, you're walking through fire. I don't give a fuck because you're going to do a half filled show in Columbus, Ohio. They have to paper the room because no one knows who you are.

2:22:40Yeah. And even if you're a fucking killer, it takes years and years, which is the problem, right? It's like it kind of takes like 10 years of that grind on the road before the word gets out. Right. Or a few years at least. And that's hard to do when you're used to those steady checks. And it's really hard to do if you have people relying on you. Yeah. That's the hard. Yeah. Because you need to explain it to them. Yeah. You're not going to. Yeah. You're just going to, you're going to take that job and you're going to hope that something magic happens. Right. And it allows you to like leapfrog everything and then just go straight into big theaters and arenas.

2:23:11But it doesn't happen. It really doesn't. Yeah. Because you're not focused on I get it. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I tell these young comics today. I'm like the best thing that you could do is concentrate on yourself, right? Meaning that work on your act. And instead of like hoping to get hired to do something, create your own thing, create a podcast. Right. And that's the most freedom you're ever going to have. And it's the best thing you can make it whatever you want. Yeah. You know, it doesn't have to be. And then it's a lot of trial and error for sure. You know, and it grows. It grows over time.

2:23:44And but even that, like I know comics that like want to start a podcast now. And then they're like, oh, only two thousand people are downloading my shit. Like, yeah, next week it'll be 2 ,100. Right. And that's how it goes. Or sometimes you need to end the podcast and shift to something, you know, shift to something else, like another idea. Maybe. I think. But I think with podcasts, the most important thing is consistency. Yeah. And a lot of guys, they start out and they do it for a little while. And then they lose focus. And they stop doing it. And I'm going to restart my podcast. When people say that, that's the feeling that I used to get when people stop fighting.

2:24:14And then they would, they would take like three years off and then come back to the gym again. I'm thinking about taking some fights. Like, okay. Okay. Right. Yeah. You're lost. Yeah. Because you like, you got to stay on the path. Right. Because like we're talking about, you're building a mountain at a layers of paint. Right. And then you take a few years off or whatever you're taking off, those fucking, those layers don't stay at the level they were at before they deteriorate. And I have to rebuild. And that's a daunting process. I think, but that's probably the case with anything that's hard to do.

2:24:47Right. I think that's true. Yeah. I think that's true. But I think it's wonderful that you're creating a environment where people can work hard, raise their level. And then they get to another level. Yeah. And they're working their way up. That's very important. As far as motivation they see killers. Yeah. They're getting to see these people like big Jay Okerson was there last night. One of the funniest people. Oh, he was amazing. Ari Schaffer was there last night. It's like, so they're getting to see these people. Yeah. They've seen on television, they've seen on YouTube. And it's exciting to see them in real life and know.

2:25:19And if that person comes up to them and goes, Hey, man, I love that bit. Like, who would you have a young person coming up and someone tells you that your thing is good. Right. Oh, it's so exciting. But it's a very unselfish thing for you to do because you could be doing whatever you want it now. And to put your focus back on that by pulling other people up. It's also selfish. It's also selfish because it helps me. It's I wouldn't say it's selfish, but it's not like I don't benefit from it. I benefit from it by having that environment where I can work out. Right. And I know that if like if you put together a gem filled with killers, yeah, you could say like, Oh, well, that, you know, that's great that you did that for those guys.

2:25:56Yeah, but it's for me too. Right. Because I want that's what you need. If you I always tell comics like you can't be the funniest guy in Pekipsi, New York. Right. Because like there's no one else there. And so it's hard to develop like a real act when like if you want to learn Jiu Jitsu and you're only training with white belts, you're only going to get so. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be around killers. Right. You got to be around killers. And that's the thing with comedy. And I think it's probably the thing with music. It's probably with everything else. You get inspired by the excellence of other people around you and it raises your own personal expectations.

2:26:28That's absolutely true. Yeah. I know that just from wrestling like you're wrestling in a tough tougher. You just, you become much, much tougher. Yeah. I mean, you came out of Ohio. I mean, fucking animals come out of Ohio. Jesus Christ. All the team is very good. History of killer wrestlers that come out of Ohio. But you are as tough as you're and especially for a guy like me athletically, I wasn't the most athletic guy. So I really, it really depended on the program in the room. I was in a good program. I would have been I was tough. But when the program fell off, I wasn't as good. It wasn't as effective.

2:26:57Of course. So it's hard to push yourself. Yeah. You know, it's hard to push yourself to the level that a great room will push you by yourself. Almost impossible. Yeah. Yeah. At a level of competition. And it's the same in standup. Mm -hmm. You know, guys coming out of New York, you know, like it's like guys are good, Mark Norman, Shane. You know, these guys, Sam Morel, um, this guy's Christy. Yeah. These guys are all on the show. It's like these guys came up through that club system. It's also. Dan Soderot. My dance. So it was my learning, my roommate. Oh, that's great. I love Dan. Love him. But it's also the camaraderie.

2:27:30Like no one understands comics, like comics do. Yeah. So it's like that's a place where you could be yourself. Yeah. You know, you no matter what you're around these people. Like when I'm around comics, it's not like, oh, there's that Joe Rogan guy, the podcast guy. It's like, no, I'm just these are my friends. It's normal. Right. I know you guys know everybody for 20 years. Right. You can hang out. It's it's it's more comfortable. It's like they're your peers. Right. That's your group. That's the other thing people don't realize. Like how long we've known each other. Yeah. A lot of us. Like I've known guys in New York.

2:28:01Like I've known them for like 20 since I've been there 20 years. And it's like somebody new comes into this situation. And it's all good. But I don't know if they realize how long we've been in that scene together in a long time. It's a long way to the top if you want to rock it. It's a fucking long way. It's not it's not something that's going to happen quickly. And everybody in this world wants things to happen quickly. Yeah. They want to be a millionaire by the time they're 25. They want to they want to do this and that. I have all these expectations and aspirations, which is great. It's great to be ambitious.

2:28:33But if you want to do that with comedy, if you want to write material and you want your act to develop, that is a fucking grind. You are you are running through Rose Bush's naked for years. Yeah. And there's nothing other than that that's going to get you there. That's right. It's a process. Yeah. And it's like that's the thing you got to fall in love with the process. Yeah. And but that's also what what helps being around fun people. Because even if it's like a brutal bloody process, you still hang out with the guys and talk shit and laugh. And all kinds of personal shit happens along the way too.

2:29:07And it's like you rely on these people for support that your friends or your peers and like picking you up and trying to turn it into a bit or trying to turn it into something, you know, fantastic. Yeah. It's a fun gig, man. It's a fun way to make a living. Yeah. It's a fun way to get through life. We were talking about it last night where we just did a show and afterwards we're all sitting around relaxing and having fun, smoking pot. And I was like, you imagine living your whole life and never killing. Yeah. We went through that with the pandemic where like comedy was stopped. And I was like, I guess maybe I'll never do comedy again.

2:29:42Right. So the story, the crazy story where Ron White had kind of resigned himself to retirement. He's like, I think I'm done. Me, man, I fucking did it all. You know, blue collar, tour, I got a jet. I got a fucking, I'm a fucking sell my boat. He's like, I'm just gonna fucking relax. I got money in the bank. I'm gonna play golf. Right. And then we did a show in November of 2020 at the Tony Hinchcliffe at the show. He put it up and he put Ron White up. And I was already talking about putting together a comedy club. I was trying to find a spot. And then I was actually telling everybody I think I found the spot and I wound up not using that place and getting another place.

2:30:24But Ron goes on stage and he hadn't been on stage in like a long time, like eight months or something like that. Went on stage and fucking murdered. Wow. Murdered. And then he comes off stage and he grabs me by the shoulders. He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do to keep doing that, we're going to do it. It goes, get your fucking club open. Let's go. And I was like, God damn. That's great. He had electricity come on. Yeah. Yeah. That just goes to show you. It doesn't matter how much money you have. It doesn't matter like that feeling. That feeling is what's important to us. There's nothing like it.

2:30:57It's also you understand more than anybody how hard it is to put all that stuff together and to figure out a way to say it in a way that's going to get the laughs. That's it. That's really it. There's nothing like when you're sitting there and you're turning the bit, you're turning, however you're doing it, writing it out, I do notes on my phone. But you're like kind of saying it in your head. And then you're like that moment where you're like, I think I got something here. I think I really got something here. And then the satisfaction of taking that and trying it on stage. And then getting the like, you're like, okay, I got it.

2:31:28I got a punchline. And it's like, now I'm going to keep coming. I don't know how your process is. Mine's like, I just keep coming at it. Just keep coming. Keep coming. Every morning jokes, keep throwing jokes at it. Keep asking questions about it. And then when you when you have it, it's just there's no feeling like it. Even fame, whatever. It's like money. It's like there's no feeling like having that bit and just having it murder like all the way through from beginning to end. Having a new tagline. Yeah. Yeah, just something that simple. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best. I really love it. It's the best.

2:32:02I really love it. Do you write in front of a computer? Do you write on a notebook? Do you just write on your phone? How do you do it? I used to do journaling. You know, I was like, I'm, you know, because coming up with premises, it's like there's so many funny things that happen to us every day or potentially funny things. It's like just journaling makes you conscious of it because there's so many things that slip by. Like on the way here, I had a knuckle brass knuckles, but they're wood that I've worked with. I've worked with the hilarities in Cleveland and the owner, Nick Costas, he gives me a gift every time I do it.

2:32:32I don't know if he does it for everybody, but the time before he gave me a baseball bat. And at this time, it was wooden brass knuckles. He's a great, he's a great guy. It's a fantastic club. So he's using these wooden brass knuckles and I'm going through security at Fort Lauderdale Airport to come here. And they flag my bag and they bring it over and the guy goes, what's, what's this? I immediately go. Nick Costas, Hilarid, I immediately give up his name and Snitch. I wear a wire. I wear a wire. I am a snitch. Would you brass knuckles? Yeah, I don't know how. No, they're not brass. They're wooden.

2:33:06And I don't know what how I would hijack a plane. It's like, take this DM and or this guy gets a splinter. You know, so it's like, but they were like, and I was rushed. So he's like, do you want to check your bag or do you want? You could just give it up. I'm like, I'll just give it, you know, I'll just give it up. But it's like a brass, like for them to take that. And I think they're wooden. He gave them to me. Wouldn't because so they would get through security. You know, but for them to do it. But like my point is that journaling, I got never want to thought twice about that. But it's like journaling brings that out.

2:33:36So sometimes I'll do that if I feel like nothing is happening. But then I'll take bits on my phone. And I'll just like, I went to jury duty and I'll just, there's, I'm like, there's so many funny things here about jury duty trying to get out of it. The way they threaten you in New York anyway, they go, you have to serve or you're going to go to jail for a year. It's like, we're going to have to pick a jury for my trial. Is it really the case you go to jail for a year? They say it's a year or a $60 ,000 fine or something like that. It's like, I don't know, maybe 60 ,000 was too high. But it's like a year in prison and a fine or both.

2:34:13The point is they threaten you hard to make sure that you go to jury duty. Oh my god. And it's like, I don't know if this is how much faith I have in the justice system with your threatening me, a private citizen for a year to come to jury duty. Anyway, so you end up going and it's like, as comics were in this conundrum because it's like, it could be a three -week trial. It's like, yeah, I cannot serve for three weeks. I have road dates. Money is at stake. Flights are booked. Yeah. Like all of this stuff matters to me. Like, I need this money. So, you know, but they just don't get there's nobody to call.

2:34:47There's nobody to complain to. So it's like, you come and you check in and you just hope that you're not called into the thing. So we're sitting there and we're just waiting. So, but that's like, there's so many funny with emotions and feelings that come through there. And like, how do I get out of this? It's like a felony. A felony, if you have a felony, you can't serve. It's like, I could sucker punch the bay lift. I can't, I mean, that's a felony. He's supposed to, he's a cop. He's like, and you know, it's like and then you start punching that up and crafting it and then going in there and what really happened is I went in there and they go, you know, we have a jury pool outside.

2:35:24We need to take them first. So, instead of holding here, we'll see you guys tomorrow. I mean, well, I have to fly out the next day. So I go to the bay lift. I go, hey, I can't come back tomorrow. I'm sorry. I have to fly out. I cannot come back tomorrow. He goes, wait here. He goes, he gets a piece of paper and he goes, give this to holding downstairs. They might, they might reissue you another date. They might cut you. So I go, all right. So I go down there. I give it to her. She's like, give me a minute. Just sitting there waiting and she comes back. She's like, see in four years. You're that you're cut.

2:35:55Oh, thank God. But that whole thing, like the tension of that, like, that's, I'll put that on my phone and I'll just keep coming, keep coming at it. Yeah, that's good. That's a good way to do. Everybody has their own way, you know, right? Like, I think what your way I write in front of a computer. I sit down and I write, I like, I write about subjects and it's a lot of wasted time. Like, there's a lot of it that's fucking useless, but I have to find out where the jokes are. Right. So I'll write on a subject and I'll just start expanding on that subject and then I'll come up with one funny thing and then I'll take that and I'll copy it and paste it into a new file.

2:36:35Yeah. And then I'll write with that thing that like one paragraph that I think is funny and then I'll expand upon it and then I'll come back to it the next day and I'll smoke some weed drink a cup of coffee and stare at it's more and then I'll write a write like basically an essay. And then in that essay, I'll find the funny stuff and extract it. It's not an efficient process because it doesn't come out looking like stand up. It's like basically I'm farming premises. And I'm doing it through just time and like forcing myself to sit in front of it. And so I do it a lot of it at night which is kind of hard because I'm tired.

2:37:12And so like sometimes I like literally see myself nodding out in front of the computer while I'm writing. But if it's just one fucking line, like I have one line in one of my new jokes that came from that and it fucking murders. This is one line that's like a new bit and this one line like defines that bit and it came out of the middle of the night. It was like two o 'clock in the morning and I'm just sitting there writing like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Oh there it is. There it is. That's what I was looking for. I'm panning for gold. I love that. I'm going to find that and I'll copy and paste it and then I put them all on my phone.

2:37:46So then if you look at my phone, I go until like I have a material folder and it's all like stuff that I've written over the last few months. That's great. And it's like I go over those bits and then I know which ones are in the act right now. And then the ones that aren't in the act when I'm trying to add new stuff, then I'll take that okay let's talk about this boom and then I'll put that up in the computer and then I'll start writing. And then when I want something to be really memorized like the note, the little posted notes or the little index cards, that's when I write down physically with my hand because that's what really commits it to memory.

2:38:25Writing something down commits things to memory far better than any other way. I think that's true. So do you take a note card up with the new material on it? No you're just developing you know the beats in the bit. Yeah I don't bring notes on stage. I lay out those notes on the coffee table if I'm doing an arena or even a theater sometimes I do it. If I do it a comedy club I just do like actual physical writing we're trying to come up with new ideas. I can type way faster than I can write. And I don't have to look at my fingers. So I could just look at the screen and in the process of writing like if I'm sitting there I get into like a trance where I'm only thinking about the ideas.

2:39:08But it's hard because you get distracted. You want to surf the way. Right. Right. Look at YouTube videos. You just got to like make I'll like say okay you're not doing jack shit until you have 900 words. It's great. Do you have 900 words and you can fuck off and do whatever you want or not depending on if you're hot if you got something. Yeah yeah but I want to keep that. I mean if I might get something one out of 10 times. So it's like nine times is a trudge. Right. But I know that if I do that 10 times then I'll have a bit that I didn't have before. But if I don't do it that bit doesn't exist.

2:39:40Right. That's like the Stephen Pressfield the guy wrote the War of Art. He talks about that like summoning the muse and then if you are professional and you sit down and you just do the work those ideas will come to you. But if you don't if you don't sit there and summon that muse they're not coming and I know that's a weird painful goofy uncomfortable process to just sit there and not have anything to say. It's messy. Yeah. The whole thing is messy. But yeah that's the way to do it for me. For me. I also take notes like if if something hits me during the day that I think is funny even if it's not a joke just if something peculiar.

2:40:15Sure. I write it down in just general notes. But then I'll have like topics like jury duty working on this thing on the electric chair now and it's just like use that as a topic. It's like I got a couple of jokes that are working there. It's like why not keep coming at it keep coming at it until it's until it's a solid bit. Well it's the thing that we're talking about before is like the process of getting good as a comic. It's a long process. Right. And the more you can do like listening to sets watching sets you know watching other people perform writing the more you put in this overall time and hours that's going to manifest itself in better performances in better material and better sets.

2:40:56It's just there's no other way to do it. And like you know when I talk to Shane about his act like I'm like dude your fucking material is so good right now. It's so exciting. It's all I care about. It's all really great. Yeah but that's that's why it's so good. It's like he cares so much. It's all he cares about which is why it's so hot. Right. And that's the fucking thing man. It's just how much attention and energy you put in. Yeah. Even if you're not going to sit down and write the way that you do like and you don't feel like it maybe you traveled that day. Maybe something else happened. It's like just just check in on them.

2:41:28Like just check in on the jokes. Yep. Just see how they are. It's like maybe you have a couple coffee and just you're burned out. You did it whatever. It's like maybe just have a couple coffee and check in. Just committed to memory. Yeah. Committed to thought. Right. Get those ideas bouncing around in your head. Right. Yeah. Right. It's a fucking process man. But yeah. And that's what I wonder. Like I wonder if chat G .P .T. is going to bypass that process. People who are not going to need that anymore. I mean hopefully I'm gone by that time. I hope to be out. I don't know man. I hope to be out.

2:41:57I don't know if we'll be. I don't know if we'll be. But I'm excited to have you at the show tonight. It's good. We're going to have a good time. It's two shows tonight. And then there's also two shows in the little room too. We have we run four shows a night. I can't wait to see it. It's exciting. Yeah. So tell everybody about your special. How can they get it? There it is. It's called Mike Tecayon, the Attractives. And it was produced by Nate Bargazzi, my friend who gave me the opportunity to put it on his platform. That's my land platform. Where did you film it? And Nashville. Oh, you know, Zany's Nashville Zanies.

2:42:27Yeah. Oh, that's great. It looks like a theater. Zanies people are just fantastic and 800 pound gorilla. These guys did a great job. That's fucking awesome. Really looks good. Zanies are great club. It's a really good. That's that places the laughter soaked into the walls at that place. Yeah. It's unbelievable. So you could find it on YouTube. Mike Tecayon, the Attractives can plug my social media. Yeah. At Comic Mike V on all social media platforms. At Comic Mike V. All right. Well, thanks brother. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate what you're doing.

2:42:59Very, very funny guy. Thank you. It's fun to see. And we're going to have fun tonight. All right. Thanks. All right. Bye everybody.