#1971 - Howie Mandel

25:38I came down, I did a guest spot. The bit killed. I had no idea. Do you know what that bit is? Oh, no idea. No idea what it was. I forgot completely. But it went well. And my manager, who's my manager still, was in the back of the room. I was basically an open -micro. I was really only like a couple of years in a comedy. And I was just started to get some paid work on the road, like meddling for like local acts. It like shitty bars in the middle of nowhere. Those kind of gigs. And he said, can I see you tomorrow night? And the thing about it is, like if I had known he was there, I would not have done that bit because I do remember the bit was dirty.

26:12And back then in the 80s, you had to work clean. You would never get far in the business if you worked dirty. And I was like, god damn it. Like, but that's what I like. I like Dice Clay. I like Sam Kinnison. I like Richard Pryor. And I remember this guy told me I swear too much. Just a host of an open mic line. Fuck him. No, no, no. But it just, it was in his mind that you had to get on a sitcom. It was in his mind that you had to get on a couch. That was a path. That's what I was talking about earlier. He was right to give me the advice career wise. He just didn't understand that I didn't think that way.

26:41I just, I wasn't interested. Right. And he goes, I go, but that's what I like. I like like Dice Clay. He goes, yeah, but you're not Dice Clay. I go, okay, I'm not. But how do I become me if I can't do what I like? Right. And, you know, luckily I didn't listen to him. And here you are today. Dismanager guy. He takes me to a bunch of different places. And then he took me to Fast Eddies, which is a bar in Huntington Long Island. And there's this dude named George Gallo who's on stage, he was hilarious. And he had a bit where he put a banana in his mouth and do a reverse shit. It was so ridiculous.

27:15He was so ridiculous, but he was really funny, like really eccentric. And my manager, he's just, he goes, listen, I'm gonna get you out of this. You don't have to do this. I mean, it's a dive bar. People are hammered. I go, no, no, no, no, no, no. I go, these are my people. You're gonna get me up there. I go, trust me. And I just went up there and fucking killed and it was all dirty. It was all sex stuff. And then he was like, okay, I changed my mind. You're gonna have to go dirty. It's gonna be hard. You're not gonna get on television, but that's the real you. That's the real you. Well, there was no pathway.

27:40That's what I was talking about. You created and you created a new pathway. Well, there was a pathway. It's just, it was a rocky one. You know, it's like it seemed like it had already been taken by the outlaws of comedy, like the Kinesens and those guys. And the new pathway seemed to be sitcoms. Everybody wanted to be Brett Butler and Rosanne and Seinfeld. Everybody wanted to get a sitcom. Right, but even getting a sitcom, it was one shot, one shot on the tonight show and you were given a development deal by one of the three networks that existed. And if you were lucky enough to partner with the right kind of writer, then you ended up on the air.

28:14So it was kind of an easy path. Yeah, but I had that path too because I got a development deal from MTV's Half Hour Comedy Hour. I did the Half Hour Comedy Hour and I managed to be clean. So I did like clean five minutes. And I got a development deal. That's a half hour comedy hour was a five minutes clean. Yeah, you didn't do a half hour. It was called the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour. So it was a half hour and several comedians with just a six minutes. Oh, so you only had to do five minutes. I don't remember what I did, but it wasn't long. And it was clean. Maybe it was 10 at the most, at the most.

28:42Probably, you know, there's those TV shows. They had a ton of them. I remember I saw Rob Schneider on, I saw Sandler on it. You remember, did you ever do half hour comedy hour? I didn't do the half hour comedy hour. You were too big by that. Well, I did evening at the improv. I did Norm Crosby's comedy shop. You were already really big by the time I was an open micro because when I remember what you're saying, what 94 is when you started, you said 88. I started the comedy store in 94. So this episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blazed their own trail to new frontiers.

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30:14Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family owned, independent and perfectly untamed. Stan up in 88. So I had finished doing a St. Elsewhere in 87. Wow. So I was already done, like I was trying to get a sitcom too. So how did I about St. Elsewhere? Oh, I did the thing that blasted me off and probably my hottest point in my career was I did a young comedian special. I did the sixth annual young comedian special on HBO. I got cast by George Carlin's wife Barbara, when she was in peace. And it was me, these were the kids that were on it that were unknown.

31:00It was me, Jerry Seinfeld, Richard Lewis and Harry Anderson. And it was hosted by the Smothers Brothers. And after that, I could sell 10 ,000 tickets. I would do two shows a night in these outdoor sheds. And then the next, I couldn't get on the tonight show. But I could sell tickets. I was on Murf Griffin and Mike Douglas and all those, Johnny didn't like me. Well, the guy that was doing the casting didn't like me. So I went and met at MTM. I went and met Mary Tyler Moore, they did, you know, on Radford. I met Fred Jim. Yes, Fred? CBS Radford. CBS Radford. I went and met them on a general meeting to maybe get a development deal and get a sitcom because they were known at the time in 82.

31:44That's right after I blasted off. They were known as the sitcom Kings of the World. They had the new hard show. They had done Mary Tyler Moore. They had all these other shows. And Molly LaPada, who was the casting lady there. I'm sitting in her office. She goes, can you act? I said, no, I don't know. You know, I'm a comic. I don't know. And she goes, read this. And I read this bullshit piece of shit. I don't know what it was, but none of it made sense to me. It was like all this big terminology. She says, come down the hall. I went down the hall and I met, now I know it. It's with Mark Tinker and Bruce Paltrow, when it's dad.

32:18And I read the same thing. I got halfway through. They went, thank you. And I went home and my wife asked me, like, how did it go? And I went, you know, I didn't get it. Whatever it is, but it was the shittiest sitcom. It was nothing funny. I didn't read, I read this medical shit. There's nothing funny. And then I get a call an hour later to go down and meet with Brandon Tartikoff, who ran NBC. He created all the classic shows of the time. Like cheers and taxi and all these shows that were, at one time, huge hits. I went and met him. I went down there. This is on a Friday. And he had me read that same scene again.

32:55And they said, we'll see you Monday, thinking that, oh, I'm getting a call back for the shitty sitcom. And my agent called me at home and said, you got it. I said, what the fuck did I get? And I got this thing called sane elsewhere. And apparently it had been shooting for a week. And they wanted to recast some of the parts. I'm recast. And I played this guy Fiskus for six years on this dramatic series. That's where Denzel Washington came out of. We both, that's where he launched. He didn't have, yeah, there's, there's me and Denzel and David Morse. And, you know, I think Tim Robbins and Ray Leota and all these other people, Kathy Bates did their first guest appearances and acting appearances on this thing.

33:37Mark Harmon. Mark Harmon's started there too. That's Mark. Sixth -Aisman alive, one of those years. Yeah, well, you remember all the sexiest men alive. I just a few. Yeah, and Bill Daniels, he was a kid. And Norman Lloyd, who just died at 106 at the bottom there. Norman Lloyd. Who's that gentleman to the left of Denzel? I know that guy. To the left. David Morse. Yes. David Morse. He's been in everything. And so was Bill Daniels was in the graduate. Mark Harmon's on NCIS. Norman Lloyd was the muse for, Alfred Hitchcock. He was the bad guy in spellbound. So I walked onto this and I replaced the guy by the name of David Paymer.

34:17Do you know who that is? No. He won, I got nominated for an Academy Award for Mr. Saturday Night. I think he played Billy Crystal's brother in Mr. Saturday Night. That's who I, that's who I replaced. Another, another, another Jewey looking guy. It was Jew for Jew. Yeah, he is great. And I was so happy. I always felt guilty, you know, taking somebody's place. There's some of those guys that will play like a tortured intellect, like a very high anxiety guy. He's the best at that shit. Yes. When he's playing, you like get tense. Like whenever he's dealing with something like, oh, shit. There's some guys that just know how to fucking, there's like these Daniel Day Lewis type characters.

34:57He's weird characters. Like they just see more, what was his name? The guy who died of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Holy shit was he one of those guys. Yeah. When he had a scene, like you get emotionally connected, you knew it was Philip Seymour Hoffman. You didn't, you believed whatever the fuck he was selling in spite of the fact you knew who he was. I think that these guys have a real pain inside of them anyhow. And these jobs allow them to let it seep to the surface. And we get to enjoy it. I know how you can be a happy person and do that. I don't think these are happy people. All the people you mentioned, I don't know that they were happy.

35:30I don't know that. I'm not happy. So, you know, and I'm this goofy. But you seem happy. I know. You seem happy when you're around people. That's what's the scariest thing. Yeah, I'm, nobody's more confused than me. And right now as I talk to you, I'm incredibly medicated. And I am. What do they get you on? I'm not talking about what I'm on because people, it may not be good for you. And I don't want people to take it. Well, that's very admirable of you. Yeah, but I do, I get help. I'm surrounded by people, the dichotomy between how I feel and what I do is huge, you know. I'm a fucking mess. And, you know, I deal with depression and anxiety.

36:09It's unfortunate because you're such a nice guy. Every encounter I've ever had with you has been so pleasant, so fun and so nice. I always walk away going, how is the nicest fucking guy? Thank you. I always feel that way. So, like, hear about a person like you that doesn't feel well that gets depressed. I'm like, God damn it, when he's around people, he seems so happy. I'll tell you why, because like in this moment, I'm talking to you. So, I'm in this moment, you know, listening to you, responding to you. Right now you're happy. I'm distracted. You know, so I am, because the worst thing for me is quiet time.

36:47I don't like nighttime. I don't like when I get into my own head. That's why I like stand up comedy, because in those moments, you're just in that moment because you have to be. You know, I could, if I veered off into the darkness that is me and not listening to a word you're saying and not trying to respond, I'm just trying to, you know, I feel like I'm balancing on this little ledge all the time and these words and these interactions hold me are my cable that hold me on this side of it without falling off. Wow. Wow, it is heavy. It is heavy. You know, it's like OCD has become a vernacular for a joke.

37:24I can't tell you how many times a day somebody comes up to me and they go, you know, I'm a little OCD -ish. I want all my stuff lined up. I like to stay clean too. That's not OCD. That's, they've used that as a word for being fistidious or neat. OCD slightly compulsive. It's not obsessive compulsive. Well, the obsession is the part that when you are obsessed with a thought and you can't get a thought out of your head, no matter how dark it is, or you can't get a ritual out of your head and you can't move on. You think about Howard Hughes was probably one of the brightest, most productive, engineering, you know, marvels of our time in so many in technology and artistry and everything.

38:05And his last few years, he was in the fetal position naked in his room, pissing into a bottle, right? And I tell people, at any given moment when you're with me, I can't tell you, I'm not that far from that. So I'm always just trying to toe the line and be on this side of that door, you know? Have you done anything else that helps other than meditation? Have you tried other than medication? Have you tried meditation? I tried it. I've tried meditation and I do meditation. I've tried meditation. I've tried everything outside of the, and I'm not opposed to it. The psychedelics in mushrooms and things like that.

38:45I don't know if anybody would recommend that to you. Well, here's the problem for me. In order to do that, you'd have to get off your medication. Right. And to get off my, I don't know that I could survive that bridge from my medication to doing that. So the medication is for me, my lifeline. So you would have to be like very, very closely supervised during that entire time. I wouldn't, I wouldn't know how anyone would approach something like that. Because I think you're, you're dealing with a very specific kind of case. And most of the people that advocate for psychedelics do not advocate, advocate for people that are really struggling mentally.

39:21Might just to keep it together right now, you know, and to get off the medication, which is helping you keep it together, probably doesn't seem wise. But there's ways you can do it without drugs. There's like the holotropic breathing. There's some people who practice, I, I have never experienced this. So this is me talking about my ass, but I have direct connections to people that have done Kundalini Yoga. There's a specific style of Kundalini Yoga, specific way that you can achieve these bizarre states, altered states that similar, they're similar to like mushrooms or a DMT experience. They're similar to psychedelics.

39:57According to people that I know that have actually done the psychedelics and have gotten obsessed with Kundalini, and they say they can get to that place on their own. Which is really fascinating. If you know somebody, then give me a card before I leave here today. I do not know anybody, I know some martial artists that have done it, but they don't teach it. But I do know that there's a great place in LA that teaches Kundalini Yoga. Well, if anybody's like a famous place, and you're, I'll read the comments if you have any recommendations. Yeah, I, again, this is not, I don't have personal experience with this.

40:26So I'm just relaying other people's anecdotes and seems interesting. But I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I run, run, you know, but running, I use it as a meditation or I just, I don't even listen to music. I just listen to the, my, I do it on a treadmill and I just listen to my feet hitting the treadmill and my breath. And I'll do that for an hour. That's amazing every day. Yeah, that's fantastic. It's good for my physical health, but it's also better for my mental health. So to me, that's kind of a medication, medication. It is a medication and a meditation. And just staying crazy busy is my other form of, I'm really busy.

41:05That's good though. Yeah, it seems like everything you're doing, you enjoy. So even though you're busy, you're busy doing fun stuff. I, I, most of the time, but I have it like at this, this, uh, overlay of terror to think whatever I'm doing is going to end, whatever I'm doing will get me in trouble. You know, like the, the truth of the matter is when I found stand up, stand up was the most freeing thing in the world. It was the one place where unlike, you know, acting, I didn't have to recite any lines. I didn't have to hit any marks. You could do anything. And that's why I've been such an advocate for you and all the people that we talked about earlier.

41:45Because they seem to be incredibly free. You know, we're not connected to any kind of censorship anymore. It used to be you were connected. You had to put together an act that was sellable for a sitcom or you wanted to get on a television show. They wouldn't have you on if you were dirty. And so there was all these guys that liked a very specific type of comedy, just like people like a specific type of hip hop or specific type of rock music. They liked that kind of comedy. That's always been my favorite. And so there was no place where you could just be free. Other than stand up comedy and stand up comedy in LA was always at least flavored by the entertainment industry out here.

42:23It's the podcasts. So it's like your mom's house is here because Tom Sigur is here and Christina Pazitsky's here. Tim Dylan shows here, Duncan Trussell's here. It's like all the Tony Hinchcliffe who has killed Tony, which is the best live podcast in the world. They do live stand up and amateurs actually get a career out of it. I think I did do one minute and get judged and critiqued by comics. Everybody goofs on everybody. And guys have gone to become headliner from that show. No, that's what I'm saying. That's what the shift is out here. Were you out here before them? I came out first, but Ron White was already here.

42:54Ron White moved here before the pandemic. He fucking lives it. He was out fucking love. It's a bad fucking city in the world. And I was like, God damn it. Ron White smart. Maybe he's right. And when the pandemic hit and we came to look out here and my kids loved it. I was like, I'm in and my wife reluctantly at first, but loves it now. And now I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. It's fucking amazing. There's so many great comics out here right now. Well, that's what I'm saying. But you feel that this is the epicenter, don't you? Well, I wanted to build it to give people a real stand up home.

43:25I mean, we were already like, we already had shows that we're doing it. The Creek and the Cave and the Vulcan pretty much every week. But I wanted to do something where it was like really designed to, first of all, to foster new talent. So we have two open mic nights, two nights. And then we have after the open mic nights, the door guys, all the people that work there, guys and gals, they all audition. So they're all stand -ups. And so all those people are very talented. And so they get like real stage time in front of Pac -Crow. That's what the comedy store used to do. Well, that's what we're trying to do.

43:55And we're trying to do it in a way where, you know, everybody gets paid. There's plenty of money going around. It's a really warm, welcoming environment. There's plenty of fun. It's there's a lot of really great comics you can watch. You might walk in there and boom, rich bosses on stage. You walk in there, Shane Gillis is on stage. Bill Burr dropped into the amateur. Bill Burr is on stage. The open mic, the night. Yeah, two nights in a row. Yeah. You see Dave Chappelle shows up. I mean, it's like, that's what I wanted. And the fact that it happened so quickly and it worked out so well. So it's like, it took a long time to design, a long time to build, but we did it the right way.

44:31And this guy Richard Weiss, who's the architect and the designer, he's the fucking man. And he put it together. I'll have him on one of these days to talk about it because it's really interesting. He knows a lot about Austin history. So in the green room, all the posters around the green room, those are all from people that actually performed at the Ritz. Because he used to be a punk rock club. So it was like butthole surfers and the misfits and shit. All these like, that's the club that's now the, yeah, that's where the mother ship is. It's the Ritz theater. Did you buy the building? Yeah. It's a theater from 1927.

45:00Yeah. That's fantastic. It's pretty well. You got to be proud. I'm very happy. But so we were talking about these guys and these podcasts. I'm also, you see, I'm torn because I am attached to that L .A. scene in as far as I enjoy doing America's Got Talent. I don't want it. So there's a dichotomy between loving that kind of comedy, wanting to do that kind of comedy and still taking it. Well, the sheriff's still in L .A. The store's still in L .A. Right. But I'm talking about what you can do, what you can do on stage versus. Yes. But yeah, if you're on a stay on America's Got Talent, you can't get too crazy.

45:38No. But my, my leaning is that's, that's what I watch. That's what I like. That's what I share amongst my friends when I started out, you know, and I was just doing like HBO specials. I, you know, I did about 10 cable specials. That's what I was doing, even before I got sane elsewhere. And then I just like what network TV has, you know, I had a great time doing deal or no deal. I had a great time doing AGT. I have a great time even doing, I'm doing a podcast with my daughter, but I also love that kind of humor that you and your buddies do. And you want to do it? Yeah. That's, that's my, that's my, that's my sense of humor.

46:22You should do it. Yeah, but I'm, yes, I should. I have to, I, I just, things if you get in trouble and they get ready, you'll just be selling out arenas everywhere. You're right. Yeah. Look at jealous, right? It's not going to hurt you. No. I don't think so. I think if they're smart, they keep you on. I mean, you're not going to be mean. I'm not mean. It's just that it's just raunchy. But I think that raunchy, I think when something's wrong, when something's dark, when something, that's why it's funny. Sometimes. Yeah. If you find the right formula, but even in the most mundane jokes, so you said these guys are right jokes, if two guys walk into a bar, it's not a joke unless something fucked up happens to one of them.

47:03If they just walk in, they have a drink and leave. Right. That's not a joke. Right. That's a story. Right. It may be a humorous story about what happened. But if it's a joke, something horrible has to happen to one of them. Right. Right. Something ridiculous has to be the result. And sometimes it's funny because it's so wrong. Yeah. Because you're pushing the edge. And here we are in, you know, in this millennium, and that edge seems to be moving back for more of the public. And I love that you can swim in this pond, which is a huge pond now. There are more people playing arenas than ever before, ever when I started out.

47:37There was nobody was playing arenas. It was a big deal when diced it. Yeah. You know, diced was the first, right? I think before that, Steve Martin. Yes, Steve Martin, let's get small tour was the first one. And I went to see it. I've never seen a comic in an arena. You know, and it was like fucking rock and roll. And now every second comic is in an arena. You know how the comics are now. A lot. It's the internet presence. It's podcasts and Netflix specials and YouTube specials. I got into podcasting not for not for standup. I got into podcasting just to have a reason to sit with my daughter. That's cool.

48:12And talk. Yeah, it is. It's fun. That's cool. Listen, man, you could do whatever you want. Thank you. But I get how you're feeling. And I get that you're attached to these things you enjoyed doing. Yeah. You know, I do like it, but I love watching you. I'm a huge fan of what you're having tonight. Everybody has yonder bags. So the phones will be locked up so you can get crazy. They do at your club? Yes. Oh, I love it. So then I can do my... You're crazy. We'll tell everybody. Don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody that I said cunt. Can I say cunt? You definitely can. No, I miss. Yeah, you did.

48:50I was... Yeah, it's all good. Yeah, I know. And then you can't... I already signed. Just coming here was... It drove me crazy. You had a car pick me up. And in the back of the car was dude wipes. I asked the guy, what's that? It's just for your balls. What is dude wipes? I think it's for your butt, right? That's for everything. But just dude wipes would bother me that they're in the car. Like what would you do? Like you have a shitty ass in the car and you want to wipe it off. In the fucking car. So they offered me that and then I walk into this place and the guy that's sitting right here says you got to sign this like a release.

49:23Yeah. But it's not... I could hold a pen with my sleeve. It was an iPad. I had to touch... You had to finger. Yeah, so it was ridiculous. Why don't you have like paper? Like you don't want to freak anybody out with a hand print because then you'll think we're a part of the new world order. That's what we wanted to do. And then you have the... So I was freaked out just sitting here. You can buy stuff at the supermarket now with your hand print. What are you talking about? Yeah. Whole foods. Yeah, whole foods. What do you mean? Yeah, you register your hand print. And then you can pay with your hand print.

49:51Do you like hand print? No! I'm scared. I'm terrified. You see the shit that Elon Musk was saying that the head of Google wants to do? He wants to create a digital god and then Elon was worried about the death of the species and he called them of death of humans rather. And he called Elon a speciesist. Like a racist for an entire... I didn't see that. But see if you can find the video because it's so bonkers. It's Elon talking about how General AI, which is General Artificial Intelligence... I know what that is. I saw it. I watched your podcast for just so that people that maybe never heard this before.

50:24They think that eventually what's going on with like chat GPT and all these things that can answer any question that you have at any given time. Like they can pass the bar better than 98 % of the population. They can figure out complex math. Like chat GPT does some wild shit by literally scanning the entire internet. The main concern is that right now this is just just gathering information. But if it goes to another place where it becomes conscious and we create a digital life, you're essentially going to have a digital god because it's going to be smarter than any person who's ever lived ever by far.

50:59And it's almost immediately going to create a better version of itself. And it's going to continue to do that until that becomes a god. I don't know. Right now you can't picture who your god is. It's the fact that it is really improving itself and we can point to it. Imagine if that is the birth of god though. If that's how there's this like perpetual cycle of humans creating. Are you an anti or pro AI? I don't know if it matters if I'm anti or pro. My opinion is like I'm an observer of something insanely chaotic that seems to be sneaking up on people. How did you feel about your, how did you feel about your, it was you, right?

51:36Your AI. Well, there's a bunch of AI's of me now doing fake commercials. There's me having podcasts. I saw the podcast. I saw the podcast with Sam Altman, you know, who's alive and I haven't met. But Steve Jobs is dead and there's a podcast with me and Steve Jobs. It's insane. Isn't that amazing? It's so wild. And it's just the beginning. There was a Drake song that went viral and they pulled it. When the Fred Wealth had the weekend. Yeah, apparently it went viral and everybody loved it and they pulled it. I know. People are terrified of this thing. No, people just couldn't figure out how to cash in on this thing.

52:09Well, it's also they're terrified of it because they're going to become irrelevant. If someone has your, your sounds, there was Rihanna doing a Beyonce song. They might do whatever they want, man. They're going to be able to take, you can, you can, they can have you say anything. Listen to this. I mean, the, the, the, the reason open eye exercise at all is that, um, Larry Page and I used to be close friends and I would say it is house in Palo Alto. And I would talk to him late at the night about, uh, AI safety. And at least my perception was that Larry was not taking, uh, AI safety seriously enough.

52:43Um, and, um, what did he say about it? He really seemed to be, um, what it wants, wants it to sort of digital super intelligence, basically digital God, if you will, uh, as soon as possible. He wanted that. Yes. He's made many public statements over the years, uh, that, that, the whole goal of Google is, uh, what's called AGI artificial general intelligence or artificial super intelligence. But there's more to it where is at the end of that one. See if you can find the rest of it because the rest of it is where it's getting fascinated where he, he warns him that this could be the end of the human race.

53:19And Larry Page calls him a speciesist. I found them talking about that text. I didn't find the video. No, there's a video of it that I'll send to you. But it's like, it's so bonkers. It's like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? But isn't that probably normal? Like it seems like that's the general path that intelligence and innovation is going to go to. It's going to go to something that's far more powerful than anything we've ever created before. That's going to be really good. But are you afraid of it? Yes. No, I'm not. Interesting. I'm not. In fact, my wife got mad at me because I licensed my AI to a Korean company.

53:59Oh, boy. Is that a problem? No. She thinks it is. And maybe you do too. I found it, Jamie. Oh, you got it. I'll watch this. But I just feel this is the way it's going. What we don't know instills fear. So try instead of touting all the negativity and all the fear mongering that this is going to cause. Let's embrace it and figure out how we can control it or at least work with it to better who we are and how we do things. What if it's already here and what if that's what if that's why our cities are falling apart? That's why crime is rising. That's why we're embroiled in these trials. Tribal arguments that seem to be separating the country and some of them because your conversation right now is exactly what's happening.

54:53I agree with you, but why are you making AI another tribe? You know, you're just that's why we're trying. No, no, no, no, that's all I'm saying. What I'm saying is what if that is the reason why all this is happening? What if the best way to get human beings to, if you want to take over? Why would you fight us? Well, they've seen Terminator. They know it's guns and tanks and all this craziness. How about just continue to degrade and erode the fiber of civilization? To the point where you have to, there's no more jobs. You have to provide people with income, universal basic income, free electricity, free food, free internet.

55:33So everybody gets all this stuff. They get free money, free food, free internet, and then nobody does anything. And then people stop having babies and then birth rate drops off to a point where the technology, the give people is so fantastic that nobody wants to miss it. Okay, we want sunshine. But this is what I would do if I was an artificial general intelligence. I would say listen, all the time in the world, I don't have a biological lifetime. And these people haven't realized that I'm sentient yet. So what's the best way to gain complete and total control? Well, first of all, trick them into communism or socialism or something where there's centralized control and definitely have centralized digital money.

56:13And then once you've got all that, give them technology and perks and things and divvy up all the money from the rich people that you subjugate and give that money to people, print it, do whatever the fuck you want. And then get people to like a minimum state of existence where everything's free. Free food, free internet, free cell phones, free everything and then wait for them to die off. And for what purpose? Because you don't need them around anymore. Develop technology that's so captivating, whether it's the metaverse or the next iteration or a neural link, develop the matrix, literally develop something that's so spectacular that no one wants to leave it.

56:56And why would you want to have a kid if you've got a button on your phone that you could come 30 times in a row? You probably wouldn't. You probably wouldn't go on dates. You'd probably just be eating food and experiencing the joy of flying like an eagle over a river. You'd be experiencing space travel. You'd be experiencing, you're going to be able to experience things that are so beyond what's available in the real world. You won't really engage with the real world. And then people just die off. Do you believe this is what's going on? She's a dumb theory that I had when I was high. Are you high right now?

57:27No, not right now. Okay. But I came in and I said I wanted to be distracted so I wasn't depressed. It's not depressing. But it is. You're talking about the other world. But as we know it. I feel like we are a digital caterpillar. We are. We're creating a cocoon and we're going to give birth to the next form of existence, the next form of life. To cohabitate with. Hopefully. That will be nice. I think maybe it'll help us get our shit together. So it can be a reason that I licensed my AI because I want to maintain some control. And you know, you're taking nine steps forward. I'm just trying to live in the now.

58:06I think the now is very temporary right now. We're moving faster than we ever have. That's fast. The now we're experiencing right now. What I'm getting out of like chat GPT -4 and these emerging technologies is that we really as lay people have no understanding of where this is going. And it's happening so so rapidly at such a groundbreaking way. Like I don't need we realize how I think chat GPT -4 is as groundbreaking as the printing press. I think it's bananas. I think it's some new thing that's going to completely change how people interface with information. Completely change how people get answers to ideas and jobs that are necessary.

58:48There will not be necessarily more. There's going to be so many things you'll be able to do. Taxes so many things you're going to be able to do. Well, but that being said on the other side of it, maybe this is a great tool that will enhance whatever our future is. Instead of take away us from the future. Both. I think both. I think we're going to integrate. If I had a guess, I would say that the way through this thing without becoming extinct is that we integrate. And I think that's probably what happens in the universe. I think civilization gets to a point where they develop things that are so transformative.

59:22That it's one of the things that when we look at intelligence, what we're really concerned with is your ability to manipulate your environment. Otherwise, we would all be absolutely fascinated with Orcas and we'd be outraged at the Earth Sea world. Because these are literally things that are probably as intelligent, if not more intelligent, than us. We don't even understand their languages. They have different dialects. They have enormous brains. And we're not really fascinated by them because they can't manipulate their environment. We don't have, but we, when you say we, we don't have a human, but I'm saying we don't have access to even know that.

59:56There isn't end and the metaverse gives you access to become fascinated with an Orca. Sure. But that's what I'm saying. So it kind of enhances and opens up that. It's a problem is that we're not fascinated because what kid in Wisconsin, who's nowhere near a sea world, who's nowhere near water, who's nowhere at what access does he have? Not only visually, the digital universe is bringing the world to everybody. Absolutely. Right. Agreed. That's the great part about it. The metaverse, like Zuckerberg, he gave us a demo. And one of the parts of the demo is you could do tourism. Right. So you could be walking around the Acropolis in Greece.

1:00:36Right. And you could walk around the pyramids. Like there's so many opportunities to go to places and experience it in 3D high resolution in these headsets. It's incredible. Right. But that's just for now. I think the next stages are going to be so overwhelmingly advanced. I think it's going to happen so exponential and so fast that I think we're good. It is. I'm really involved in not as involved as you or any of these people that you speak of in technology. I'm in the world of holograms. I work with this company. I sit on the board of this company called Proto -Hologram. And I came to it because I saw it online.

1:01:11You can go see it on Instagram and look at Proto -Hologram. Help me, Obi -Wan. I only hope. Right. But we thought it was going to be. Yeah. But I can be anywhere. I don't have to be here. And you could see me in 3D with no latency. And I can interact and see you. Remember when they did that on CNN? Yes. Yes. Why did they stop doing that? That was pretty dope. Maybe it cost them money. I can do it now at a price. In fact, you should talk about having one of these in your club because you can have any comic and any time sit down and do a Q &A. And have it. We put one in Jimmy Kimmel's club in Vegas.

1:01:45There it is. The epic. You can be anywhere. That's incredible. And you don't need special lighting for it. Go to the Instagram and see a play of it. So you could kind of say like this, what is based on your philosophy will never go out again. We'll never go anywhere. We don't have to travel. We don't have to go anywhere. We can just... But I think the... For us, though, for us current humans, this model of human that we currently are both, I think that we enjoy actual physical experiences. You do. You don't enjoy them that so much. So you would be very happy with holograms. I go, look, this is...

1:02:24I had Nick Cannon who's on my podcast this week. He came in and he was at a hologram. He said he wants one of those for each of his baby mama's houses. So he can visit his baby. But you see all you need and you can do it on your side. You can do it with just an iPhone. And you can see there's a camera at the top of it and you can see in real time your audience, the person you're visiting. And you can also... That's like an iPad so there can be graphics in a barcode and everything right there. So people can get information. You can talk in real time. And he can have a camera pointed at the audience so he can actually see the...

1:02:57That is what... See the top of the box right there? Yeah. Where he is? That's a camera. Not only is it... Not only is it shooting for him to see, but it's also... This is another scary thing, but it's collecting analytics. So it knows who's in front of it. Oh, how old you are. Everything's recognition from... FPI. You're gonna get everybody on tape. Yeah, look there was... Wow, Sugara did it. Yeah, Sugara did it. Well that was Whitney Cummings used it at the... At the Berkreicher thing. We built a porta -potty around it, a proto -potty. But that was pre -taped, but he could have done that live and seen him.

1:03:31That was pre -taped so he just used it as a video. But all this technology to answer your question, which could be like you can say, well we don't have to travel anymore. We're gonna be locked in our own little world. At the same time, it gives me access to worlds that I couldn't go to. You can go do... I can go to a concert right now. I could take one of those boxes and be all over the world. We have them all over the world in Japan and London, all over Asia, everywhere. I could be in 20 ,000 theaters all the same time and see every face of every person. So I can do a world tour without getting on a plane.

1:04:09That's pretty dope. You're still gonna want to see people live, but I could totally see why that would be very appealing to a lot of people. You think you want to see people live, but I'm telling you that even at the mothership, if somebody didn't want to fly in, if during the day you wanted to do Q &A's with Chappelle or whatever, I promise you that those people sitting in the room will feel like... And he will feel like he's in the room with them talking to them. It's a great idea. It is a great idea, but I think that speaks just one part. I'm interested in that. That's interesting. Yeah. So what I'm saying is technology can be really scary.

1:04:44It could fuck you up. It's kind of like the knife. But yeah, but it's also... I love the technology of cell phones. I'm so hypocritical in that way. Part of me is like, my God, we're so addicted to these things. But also, look how goddamn convenient it is. You take photo and video anytime you want. When's the last time you made a phone call? You don't anymore. I make them all time. Oh, you do? I like talking to people. You have to talk to Joey Diaz. You can't text him. If you text him, he's like, call me Coxaka. And you got to call him. Okay, so for Joey Diaz, we can't lose that connection. I like talking to people, man.

1:05:17But you can text. You can send pictures. That's your computer. You can do your work. You can do research. You can do memes. You can do everything. I'm on TikTok. You know, you can do whatever you want to do from this little piece of technology and that piece of technology. It's definitely got pros and cons. And I don't even know if the cons are con. It's just an inevitability. And I love that the artificial intelligence can enhance my intelligence. And I could write a paper or a speech or come up with something or do a duet with somebody that without even being there, the issue that I have is can I maintain ownership of it?

1:05:51So it's more economical and it's more about economics for me and licensing and ownership. And I think I wonder if eventually that's going to be insurmountable. That the internet and the data will be so it would be so available that we won't be able to lock things down anymore. Well, that's already happening, you know, in the old days. That was the Napster. But even Spotify today, like you're on Spotify. I don't know that the average musician is as happy as they were when they were just working with a record company who were just dealing with threshold radio. Well, they were definitely happier when they were selling records.

1:06:31Right. Selling records was huge. Right. And now nobody but I mean very few people buy records. Right. They download them. So if you were having the conversation two decades ago about what you're broadcasting on right now, people would go, we're going to lose control. Everybody's going to have access to everything and they can manipulate it. But it also gives, it's easy access. I don't have to get up and go to a record store to find out who this artist that I love is and listen to this artist or listen to this podcast. What I love more than anything is he can ask your phone while you're driving.

1:07:05You press a button on Apple CarPlay and say play Taylor Swift Better Man and it'll just play it instantly. I was with my daughter the other day and we're just, I was like, what do you want to play? And she, I don't know these fucking songs. And she would just like tell me what to play. And you could just talk to the thing. I don't have to look at my phone. I just ask it. And instantly it's playing. It's amazing. So are you afraid of this future that you'll listen? No, listen, I'm not, I told you. I'm afraid because I know it's inevitable. I'm not afraid. I'm just like, whoo -ee, this is going to be wild.

1:07:37Right. It's just a recognition of what I think is the inevitable. Here's the, here's my fear. My fear is that we are not preparing for it. That it's going to happen. People like you who are very clear -minded are thinking about it. There are few, you are few and far between. If you go into it, you know, my daughter is a teacher. Our curriculum is not set up to even, you know, the math they're learning. The, the, no life skills, nothing. They're not really learning to code. Code should be like we learned cursive. You know, it's not part of our curriculum. This, our world technically doesn't match our education.

1:08:16And we need to match that. So these, so there isn't fear. So we know we can find a way to control it or access it or use it. Yeah. And we don't have that. And we're not even set up for that. Andrew Yang talks about that a lot. He talks about automation. And that AI and automation is going to replace so many jobs. It's going to be a giant percentage of our population that just no longer is employable. Whatever their skill was, they're going to have to find a totally new skill. That's why he was an advocate of universal basic income to bridge that gap. And I totally agree with him. It seems like that's definitely happening.

1:08:53You know, the original, they talk about, you know, we had the Industrial Revolution. And that's kind of gone, you know, it's now the digital revolution. And, you know, the template was like Detroit, right? Where you got everybody just got and kind of a C education. But then once you graduated, you can, if you had connections, you can get a job on the assembly line at Ford. And you would be taken care of for life, not only even after you worked in the benefits. And then now we have, no, I'm still drinking this layered, it's really good. It's good stuff. Laird Hamilton coffee, which is pretty bomb diggeting.

1:09:33That's the turmeric. Turmeric. How do you say it? Turmeric. I say turmeric. Turmeric. You say turmeric? Yeah, I've heard people say it that way. I think they're wrong though. I think it's turmeric. But I'm just saying we're just not prepared. And what's really interesting is technology has, I think since the beginning of time, been ahead of the curve, we invent something, we come up with something, and then we figured out, how do you use this? Right. Like they don't know what it's going to, what the emblem and taste. Some people do, and that's the real fear. Some people like this guy who's advocating for a digital god.

1:10:07Like they do know where it's going. Because they actually work in technology, it's not freaking them out. But it's like Columbus, you know, like everybody thought the world was flat. He got a couple of people to get on a boat and flutton. We didn't know what that was going to mean. See if we could find where Elon talks about this part. Because that was the most fascinating time. I mean, the reason open eye access to all this. This is what he said earlier, but it's going to contain. Very, very nice to be close friends. And I would say it is house in Palo Alto. And I would talk to him. You get to realize these are the people that are at the pinnacle of technology.

1:10:40And they're having slumber parties. Yeah, they're very waking. AI safety seriously enough. And what did he say about it? He really seems to be, what it wants, sort of digital super intelligence. Basically, digital God, if you will, as soon as possible. You wanted that? Yes. He's made many public statements over the years. That the whole goal of Google is what's called AGI, artificial general intelligence or artificial super intelligence. No, I agree with him that there's great potential for good. But there's also potential for bad. And so if you've got some radical new technology, you want to try to take the set of actions that maximize probably it will do good and minimize probability.

1:11:27We'll do bad things. Yes. It can't just be helpful, either. Let's just go, you know, barreling forward and, you know, hope for the best. And then at one point, I said, what about, you know, who we're going to make sure humanity is okay here? And - I'm going to laugh. And then he called me a specious. Did he use that term? Yes. And there were witnesses that I was the only one there when he called me a specious. And so I was like, okay, that's it. I've - Yes, I'm a specious. Okay. You got me. What are you? Yeah, I'm fully specious. That's a funny one. Busted. So that was the last straw. At the time, how wild is that?

1:12:17It is wild. But these are the people that are in control of this thing. And I think there's also this race that's going on. There's all these different companies around the world that are trying to develop artificial general intelligence first. Because I think having it first, if you have a digital god first, you have a massive advantage. Right. Over everyone and everything. Right. Yeah, I mean, if you think that tech companies have a lot of power now, imagine if tech companies unleash a digital god. I mean, they literally might be the very seeds that created God. I really believe that now the digital universe is probably the most sought after God.

1:12:56Most people probably spend more time advocating for whatever they're seeing online anywhere. Sure. Then they do for their church or their - I think that already exists. People like Elon, see that. And there should be a race for it. I don't see it as, you know, everything. Everything can have a really dark, bad side. And we can't control it. So I think even talking about it the way you're talking about it is scary. And I don't know that it's - Can I scare you with this? Let's scare me with this. This is in 60 minutes last night. They did a whole piece. Oh, that's right. I saw this. Played the one AI program spoke in a foreign language it was never trained to know.

1:13:40This mysterious behavior called emergent properties has been happening, where AI unexpectedly teaches itself a new skill. Like a minute and he says something about it. I think it's pretty good. This is bananas. This is uncelebrities. It's called emergent properties. Some AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't expected to have. How this happens is not well understood. For example, one Google AI program adapted on its own. After it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh, which it was not trained to know. We discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in Bengali, you can now translate all of Bengali.

1:14:28So now all of a sudden, we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages. There is an aspect of this which we call - All of us in the field call it as a black box. You know, you don't fully understand. And you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong. We have some ideas and our ability to understand this gets better over time. But that's where the state of the art is. You don't fully understand how it works. And yet you've turned it loose on society? Let me put it this way. I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either. Was it from that black box we wondered that - What else they saying here?

1:15:14They wrote a poem and they're asking why did it write that way? Why does it scare you guys so much? Listen, it's alive. It's not whether or not it's scary. It's a kind of life form. But here's the thing. I am really fearful of humanity. I'm really afraid of us. Let's hope that's not afraid of us too. Decides to get rid of us. Or make us better. Or, you know, and that's a 50 -50. And I would like to, you know, I have enough negativity and I'm not talking about - It's not about me. But going on in my mind where if I don't know, and I'm assuming that it is a higher power than me, not God, but it is a higher power than me, that maybe for whatever reason, let's trust that it is a benefit and not something that's horrible.

1:16:12Well, I certainly hope. I hope it's a benefit. You just played for me, didn't scare me. It doesn't scare me. The fact that it is artificial intelligence. What is intelligence? Just by virtue of what it is. So it's learning things that we can't explain. It's intelligence. That's what intelligence is. I think we're using this word in a weird way. The word scared. Because I don't think that it's scared like I'm scared of wolves. It's not that kind of scared. It's scared like - That will be totally - We, I realize where this is going. And it might not even be - But you didn't describe a good place.

1:16:46Well, it's not a good place for us, but maybe it's a good place for the universe. You invest in Bitcoin? You invest in Bitcoin. I've got some Bitcoin. Okay. But that's not what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about maybe this is what happens with intelligence everywhere. That maybe intelligence realizes limitations to biology. And biological evolution is very time consuming. It takes a long time to get adaptation, to for things to change. It takes decades. It takes centuries. It takes thousands of years. But this could happen in weeks and hours and minutes. And especially if it knows how to make a better version.

1:17:22And you don't think that's scary. What you just - You keep saying scary. I do. It's just the thing that's happening. And I think we - Yes, so - People continue to exist. But I feel like this was inevitable. Just like it's - There's inevitable things that happen in nature that we don't want to admit. You don't want to say they're scary. They're just inevitable. You know, like I watched a bear the other day, climb a tree, and steal an eagle out of its nest. Okay. And people were looking at it like, wow, this is crazy. They were filming this thing happening. Right. But that's not scary. That's nature.

1:17:58That's nature. I think this is nature too. I think this is nature. It's just nature in a different realm. It's in a - The realm of this intelligent individual that manipulates its environment and makes things more convenient until it loses all need to be primal. All connection to the primal world. And then eventually adopts this intelligence as intelligence of its own. It eventually integrates with whatever artificial general intelligence is. Because to not have it, you would not be able to compete. If neural link or something similar to that connects you to artificial general intelligence in your own mind at any given time, that's going to be the option that most people take.

1:18:37Just like this, the option that we take where you choose shoes or no shoes. Most people pick shoes because they're better. And you're going to pick that because that's better. It's a better way of existing. You're going to have far more access to information. If you want to be productive, you're going to be far more productive. You'll be far more intelligent and informed. I think just like your phone does that for you now or your computer does that for you now. Eventually it will be a part of you. Then I totally agree. I was misinterpreting your lilt on it. It's scary. Yeah. Because it's unknown.

1:19:07I mean, this is a wild time to be a human being. To be a person like you and I who grew up without the internet. We remember when answering machines were crazy. Like, whoa, this is nice. You remember when caller ID, oh my god, Mike's calling. Look at that. This is nuts. You're absolutely right. But, you know, and had you told me that even what this phone is that we're carrying existent, I'm older than you. You know, I didn't know there would be something where, aside from this couple of minutes that you and I are sitting around communicating, I can't tell you how many hours a day I sit and just stare at that phone.

1:19:46And, you know, and whether every possible platform and every possible, it's really, if you want to look at the negative, it's really depersonalized my life. You know, and I can do it. A lot of people's lives. Yeah. So you could look at the negative, but then I also look at that. Like, I have access. It opened up a world to me without even leaving my room. And my own mental health issues are, I don't want to leave my room. Well, now, unlike Howard Hughes, I'm not blocked out. I could see everything. I could talk to everybody. I can educate myself. I can be productive. I can learn. I could post.

1:20:18I can do everything from this little tablet that I have in my hand. So for me, it's actually a better. Well, that right there is all the good. That's the pros. Yeah, there's a lot of pros. And there are a lot of cons. I just don't know this. But it depends on the individual, of course, right? For you, it seems like a godsend in a lot of ways. Because it's providing you with a way to do what you love to do. Without having to do the things you hate about it. And listen, I don't have a choice. We have to embrace. I can't stop AI. I can't, with none of us can. That's how I feel to it. So I have to force myself as somebody who told you that my mental leanings are negative.

1:20:53I have to force myself in order to survive. I have to force myself to take the positive and just try to spend my life trying to make other people smile and giggle, which in turn makes me smile and get. Sure, that's a beautiful skill. I mean, the ability to do that, like, I've been doing stand up for more than 30 years. I still love watching it. I still love laughing. It's still my favorite art form to be an audience member. I give someone good as in town and I'm around. I'll come see them when they're in town. I want to see. I love it. I love comedy. Laughter is, they say the best medicine. And unless you have explosive diarrhea, I would imagine that's realism is better.

1:21:32But also, you can't hold it in with a laugh. But, you know, it is tried and proven. They say, you know, if you're feeling really down, even if you force a smile, there are some endorphins that are released into you. So, if you can receive that through entertainment and art, or you can share that through your artistry, that is a real high for most. Most certainly. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing that we get to do, man. We're really, really, really lucky. In terms of, like, one of the most rewarding things to do, challenging, but very rewarding. It's one of the most rewarding things you can do. You make people feel better.

1:22:11They leave. They're, ah! Well, that's why I said, you know, on AGT, there's a lot of comics that say they, you know, they don't want to come on because they, you know, they feel like they'll be judged or they're not putting a good place. And I always say, you got to come on. Because in any given, in any given episode, six million people watch live, we have a billion clicks a year on YouTube. Don't predicate how you do based on me, Heidi, Sophia, Simon, even that room of a thousand people. Millions are watching. And it's so subjective. If you really believe that you have art, that you want to share, where else are you going to get that platform?

1:22:53Any stage time you can get, any camera time you can get, you just got to do it. And it's interesting too because it's kind of the old school variety style. Because there's so many different types of performers that go up, you know, like old school variety show used to be like that. And that's how comics used to perform way back in the day. They'd be a part of a variety show. They would. And I get why it's hard. You know, I always try to tell the audience, I'm probably the most supportive of stand -up comedy on our show. And that's because I say, you don't understand, you know, somebody else is coming on.

1:23:26If they're a singer, they're usually singing somebody else's song and they've taken guitar lessons and they have an instrument. If somebody practiced juggling and they're lighting fires, you're seeing all that juggling and lighting fires, the comic, the comic comes out there with nothing, just their bare soul of what their sensibility is, of what they think is funny. And they need to elicit more than any other act, more from you than anybody. You know, you could play a song and then at the end, because you heard they stopped singing, you applaud and you go, yay, or you stand up. A comic is talking to you and you have to intake whatever they are saying or doing or whatever visual they have.

1:24:04And then it's hard to laugh. It is hard. You need the audience to go, haha, and even if they're not, say you are. And who's the judge, whether you're hysterical, whether you're brilliant or not, there may be millions of people at home or on YouTube watching you and laughing. If in that room you don't hear that response, it is crazily painful for most people. I actually kind of like that awkward silence. That makes me feel alive. That fear to me, comedy is like I still love thrill rides. And comedy is like a real roller coaster. And the scarier it is, the higher it is, the closer you think you're coming to death.

1:24:50You're adrenaline flows and you want to get on and take another ride again because it's really scary. By the same token for stand up comedy, if you can get off the beaten path and not have something that's planned and maybe lose an audience in a moment, but then bring them back, that is the roller coaster that means so much more. Because that's your soul that you're riding or they're riding your soul. So there's nothing that gives me more gratification than stand up. And there's nothing more dangerous for me than stand up as far as all the other stuff that I have chosen to do. I think you're fucking grandfathered in.

1:25:25I really do. I don't think you have to worry about that. They'd be crazy at this point in time to get rid of you because you're funny because you say, while shit on stage, the people love you. You have no idea how many times I get called and they ask me to text an apology for certain things. Oh no. And you know, I'm a good boy, I will. I don't necessarily agree that I need to apologize, but I apologize. Or you know, it's just there's a lot of people are scared. The world is scared. How old is it? Everybody's scared. Every side, whatever side you're on, every side is afraid of the other side. They feel that the other side is the end of the world as we know it.

1:26:06And we really are all equally afraid and we're just wearing different uniforms, but we really need to come together. We do. Yeah, and people do come together through humor. Even if you say something that I don't agree with, if you can make me laugh, I have to consider it. If you say it in a way that you have to laugh, what you're saying is funny. Or here's the other thing, what about if you're saying it in a way that makes somebody else laugh? I respect that. You know, I'm Scott Carrotop. Carrotop is should be lauded and should be celebrated. I love that guy. Me too. But you know, and I was there.

1:26:49I was the butt of jokes when I used props and at the beginning and all that silliness, I was part of David Letterman's top 10 all the time. They would go and we'll make him sit through a Howie Mandel concert. You know, and that killed me. But the fact that he can fill a room every night for the last 15 years in Vegas and get laughs and be successful. And I actually find it really funny. He's very funny. He's a very nice guy too. And when I had him on the podcast, it's one of the things that I want to talk to him about. Like, I don't understand it. I understand the hate. There was so much pissy hate towards him.

1:27:20It was like an easy way to get laughs. Right. And so many people did it. But it wasn't. It isn't. You know, as much as somebody has to be, you know, a word Smith. I didn't mean he was an easy way to get laughs. I meant making fun of him was an easy way to get laughs. Right. He became the butt of jokes. And within our own community where we should be where we should be supportive. Yeah, I didn't know. I never got it. And we should celebrate the fact that there is somebody that has been able through decades to make an incredible lucrative career and make everybody from across the globe show up in Vegas and laugh.

1:27:53Yeah. And he also took over a genre. Remember when we started out, there was a lot of prop comics. Now prop comics is basically like you're copying Carrotop. Right. He's so big like that. It's so known that he's the prop guy. He kind of like took over the art form. Right. But I was all, he did. And the thing is that you realize there's always going to be more people no matter how big you are. Even you. There'll be, there's always more people that don't care and don't get it. You know, and I've told the story many times. But when I was in the 80s, I played Radio City Music Hall and I sold a two shows and in one night in a couple of minutes and that's 14 ,000 tickets.

1:28:33And it was a big deal at that point. It was in the early 80s. And I'm looking out onto the street as six or 7 ,000 people are piling out of the first show. And 7 ,000 people are coming into the next show. And there's stanchions and there's cops. And there's the fifth avenue or seventh avenue is just tied up in New York City. And my wife looks out the window with me and she goes, what are you thinking? And I'm thinking, you know, this is a city of 10 million people. You know, 9 ,984 people don't give a shit I'm here and don't think I'm funny and don't, there's always more that don't. Sure. So you just, you have to respect the fact that when we go to amateur nights, you know, which are sometimes painful.

1:29:15And you watch somebody on stage and they just die and you go, why are they even here? Somebody, somebody laughed. But it's got to be more than just, you're lucky if more than Uncle Ned at the Thanksgiving table is the one that's laughing at you. That's what you're just lucky that your sensibility, your humor, your artistry is kind of shared and relatable by a bigger group than... Sure. Joe Shmo. And the cool thing about the open mics is you're watching people learn how to do it. Then that's how they learn how to do it. They learn how to do it in front of people, which is really weird. But it makes sense to me because that's where I learned it.

1:29:51Sure. I didn't, I had no pre -preparation. There's a rhythm, you know, it's like music. And I feel that the audience is like your rhythm section. That is your drum. That's your beat. If you can get on a roll and they're laughing and then when to, you know, hold for the laugh, feel it and listening to that drum beat of the audience, they're not going with you. So you veer in another direction or they're coming with you. The audience is the only place to really learn it. Though there are other people, well, they still use the audience like Jerry Seinfeld, who is an incredible word -smith. Right, but he still hones it in front of the audience.

1:30:29So it's all, you can't do it in a vacuum. No. I've never heard of anybody that like maybe Cosby did. I think Cosby in the end, he didn't do stand up at all until he was performing. So I think he put together his specials and then would go on stage and do it. Well, he'd already had them written out. Well, between you and me, I was a big Cosby fan when he had his albums and he really had an act. And then at the end, even before he got in trouble, I felt like it was just, he would just sit there. I never saw. I never saw him live. Byron, we had planned on a trip to go see him live before all the craziness happened with him.

1:31:06And we were something happened with canceled. He wanted to go and see him somewhere. I think he might have went to see him in Vegas. Did he like him? He was very impressed. You know, he was really impressed with him. It was Chris Rock. We were in New York. Chris Rock came backstage. He said he had just seen Bill Cosby and he said, I'm a fraud. He goes, I'm a fucking fraud. He goes, that's how good he was. Like a really. I don't agree. And this was, but this was quite a few years ago. This was maybe early 2000s. I went to see him a couple times. I was such a big fan. What years did you go to see him?

1:31:35When did he get in trouble? Just about five years before he got in trouble. So he got arrested maybe seven years ago? Something like that. So 12 years ago. So you probably saw him. He was just sitting on an armchair and it was like he would ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble for like 15 minutes before there was a laugh. And I felt like he was, I felt this overwhelming anxiety. The feeling that he was just, like you should just be thrilled that I showed up. You know? And I felt like he wasn't doing the work. And I think that we always constantly have to do the work. You don't reach.

1:32:18And the more success you have, the more work you have to do because that expectation is there. That's the idea of the club. That's why I need a club. You can't work out in arenas. Like are you going to write new jokes in front of 16 ,000 people? You're not. You can't. You need to work clubs. And just at time and time and time. It's like fighting. You can't just show up for a fight. It's very much the same thing. And that everything is about how much time you put in. Right. You ever read the outliers? Yes. Malcolm Gladwell. Yes. And when he talked about the Beatles in Hamburg, about how well they went to Hamburg, they were basically playing eight hours a day.

1:32:53They were just constantly playing. And they came back to Liverpool after being there for a couple years. And everybody was like, holy fuck, what happened? Right. Like all of a sudden they were this insanely good band. And it was they had put in so many reps. They were so tight and so honed. It was so beautiful. Yeah. They just synced up. And people don't do that anymore. You know, people are getting hits off TikTok. Mm -hmm. And then they go out on tour and they don't have anything. Yeah, but there's some people that are still doing it like that. You know, and there's something to do with it. Comics.

1:33:21Well, even musicians. There's musicians that like the one of the things about music, though, is you can create amazing music in a vacuum. Like you can get together with a band and put together insane albums, completely alone. And you could just just through your creativity and your feel for what these songs are. That's the artistry. It's like painting alone in a room. And then they go out on stage or they release a seat in an album or whatever. And then they go on stage and the audience sings along to those things. I mean, it's a totally different vibe. Like the audience, they're not learning it.

1:33:52Like you're doing stand -up. They're learning these jokes as you're doing them in laughing along because it's unexpected. With them, it's like it's exciting. You want to see them. You want to see these songs that you love. It's a totally different kind of like thing. Because they don't need anything from the audience. Right. So they can do that. A comic cannot do that. A comic cannot do that. A poet can do it. Sure. You know, an author can do it. I mean, there's people that create things in a vacuum. But we, like any other art form, we kind of need the audience to create something. The club is our jam.

1:34:25Yes. We're not kind of needed. We 100 % needed. There would be like learning Jiu Jitsu with no drills. Like you have to do drills. If you don't do drills, you're not going to understand the positions. You still try. I still train. I still do martial arts. You compete. No. No. 55 years old. I don't know. Get broken. He competed when he was like 58 or 59. He competed? Did he want to tournament? And like master's class or whatever it was, his age class. So they do age class. Yeah, but I'm not interested in doing that. You're not interested. First of all, I'm a black belt. So I'd have to roll with some dude who's a black belt my age.

1:35:01And he's probably been like non -stop training. And I'm going to get strangled. Okay. That seems like a bad idea for me. And also, I would love it. And I would probably be obsessed with it. And all the other things that I do would probably fall by the wayside because I'd be obsessed with competing for as long as my body can hold up. You just got to, when you're someone like me in particular, you have to know what you can get involved in. Because I get obsessed with things. And when I get, that's my mental illness. My mental illness is like an extreme obsession. Whether it's games or anything. I just get obsessed with comedy.

1:35:35I get obsessed with martial arts. I get obsessed with things. So I have to manage my obsessions with the amount of time that I have. I get obsessed with archery. I get obsessed with things. And so it's a good mental illness to have because it allows you to excel at things. But you have to be able to manage it. I have to know what I can and can't get to nuts with. Do you still enjoy doing this? I love doing this. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I love it. If I don't love it, I won't do it. Really? Yeah, I don't want to do something I don't love. I love it. How could you not enjoy talking to cool people?

1:36:04It's fun. I like, I've just been doing it for a year now. I would do it if there was no podcast. Like if you and I were having dinner, we would have this similar conversation. We would all the time in the world. We could just talk. Then you're on the same page as me. You know, I started doing it because with my mental illness, I was locked in during COVID. I locked myself in. I had a Mandel mandate. Right. And so it's my daughter. So I would spend hours with her on the phone. And then I'd go, you know, just call my friend Joe Rogan. Let's call him. We put you on. And then my wife locked in and said, what is this for?

1:36:35And I said, it's for nothing. She says, record it. And that's just how a Mandel does stuff. It's just talking to friends. I wasn't going for a podcast though. I didn't even have advertisers. I didn't hire a company. And now it's my couple of hours a week with my daughter just talking to interesting people. It's amazing how entertaining it is listening to people talk to me. The person who does it, you think I'd be tired of it. But even people, I don't even really like what they're saying. Or people I don't even think they're that interesting. I'm fascinated by the way people think about stuff. Like I was, my car got fixed and the guy dropped it off.

1:37:09And he drove it to my house. And he was listening to this AM political talk show. And so as I'm on my way to work, I'm like, what is this, this is where shit? And I said, oh, let me listen to this. And it's fascinating to me just because I don't know people like that. People that are like deeply immersed in right wing politics. Or talking about everything and all these bills and all this stuff. And this congressman's a rhino. And this is that, that, this. And I'm listening to these guys believe this is fast. And they're like, why is this so fucking entertaining? It's entertaining to listen to how people think about things.

1:37:40Even if you don't think the way they think. Well, that's, you know, and that's the most of the world lives in a bubble. And they live in a bubble, they don't know they're in a bubble. You know, everybody here thinks this. Well, everybody wear everybody. And I can't tell you how many times as somebody who does stand up comedy where I will land in a town, the driver picks me up. He's your age. And he goes, what's California like? I've never even been on a plane. I've never been outside of this. And I find that fascinating. And they can have a lot of friends. They listen to their radio shows. They listen to their things.

1:38:10Their friends are like -minded. They look the same. They're in the same socioeconomic. That's the world. Yeah. And then there are people like you and me and others that we know that are just fascinated. It's not about agreeing. It's not about finding like -minded people. It's just fascinated by, it's actually more fascinating when they don't agree. And you want to hear their point of view. Yes. I find that fascinating. Well, I'm going to be - It's very fascinating when you talk to someone who has a different point of view but they're making sense to you. Yeah. So it makes you reconsider your own ideas.

1:38:42That's how our politics used to be. You know, we are supposed to be a multi -party system. And now they don't talk to each other. It's all gone out, man. Unfortunately, it's all run by money now. That's what's scary. There's so much money in politics. You just look at the stock trades these people are allowed to do. It's so bonkers. You know what I think? What? AI. Well, it could be. It could be. It could be AI. That's how AI erodes our trust and civilization. It allows it to control us. Well, it is infiltrated our political system. It certainly has. Definitely has. And not just that. It's infiltrated our influence.

1:39:17Like, people are using these bot farms to have arguments. Like I've seen that before. Where you see like one tweet and it's repeated by hundreds and hundreds of accounts. And these accounts post, they don't even retweet it. They post the exact same wordage. So they're not even trying to hide it. If you just search that, if you see a questionable tweet, oftentimes you can take it and search that tweet. And you go, look at this. It's fucking 50 people saying the exact same thing. And it must be true. And they all, you go to their thing and it's like an American flag and a number behind it and some weird name.

1:39:49And you're like, oh, this is horseshit. This is like a fake account. Well, I come from an era where if you read it, then it must be true. You know, but in the newspaper days. Yeah, but that was it. You'd say something stupid. Somebody would be like, well, we're in a fuck, I read it. It was in the paper. That's what was dangerous, right? Because they could just promote propaganda and put things in the paper. But that's what's happening now. That's what's the internet is our new paper. Well, also the newspapers are doing it too. Yeah, they're doing it too. They're bot. Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness going on.

1:40:16There was a thing the other day that was talking about the Nord Stream pipeline. It was in the New York Times. And it was saying that maybe we shouldn't know. Maybe we shouldn't know who did it. Because there's all the speculations of the United States blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Sydney Hirsch, who was this hugely respected journalist. He wrote about this. And that's the name, right? Seymour Hirsch, right? I'm Philip Seymour, I'm fucking up. Seymour Hirsch. So Seymour Hirsch writes this article on his substack about how the United States was involved. And then you have the New York Times saying maybe we shouldn't look into that.

1:40:55Like, that's not your job. Your job is your journalist. You're supposed to give the people the pertinent information. And let us make our own. And if your job is now propaganda for national interests because it would be not in our best interest for the rest of the world to know that we did that, now your acting is an arm of the state. Now you're no longer acting. Unless you think this is like, and this is probably the justification that this is like, could start World War III. So they feel like they're in this sort of activist position, like a position where they're not just disseminating information.

1:41:25That's not where the activists need to be. You know, you don't need it from our news sources. It's supposed to be a fact source. Yes. That's why I can't watch any television news, any network. Right. Because I don't want to know how you vote. I don't want to know what you think. Just keep trying to influence you. They're trying to bend your mind into whatever their narrative is. And it's not just that the information, it's in editorialized information, almost always. I think it's more about because, you know, there used to be three stations. There used to be the six o 'clock news, you know, maybe two newspapers in every city.

1:41:58They're vying for your eyeballs and ears. Yeah. And what gets you there is if you feel there's somebody supposedly like -minded. Yeah. You know, that's another, because the news is news. It's all going to be exactly the same. So what makes this one different than that one? Well, he or my people. That's exactly right. Yeah. Have you ever seen that video where it shows local news people? I'll send it to Jamie. It's local news people all saying like the exact same thing? No. It's really one of those things where you go like, I kind of knew that this happened, but to see it happen so blatantly. Watch the real.

1:42:35Here I'll send this to Jamie. I have the actual video of it. I could just send it to you. I'm here with Jessica Headley. And I'm Ryan Wolfe. Our greatest person. Yeah, that's it. It's the sort of our treasure valley communities. The El Paso Las Cruces communities. Eastern Iowa communities. Mid -Mission communities. We are extremely proud of the quality, balanced journalism that CBS 4 News produces. But we are concerned about the streaming news. One hundred and a half years. One hundred and a half years. Plagging our country. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media.

1:43:07Moral arm and some media outlets publish these same fake stories without checking facts first. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common. On social media. Moral arm and some media outlets publish these same fake stories without checking facts first. Unfortunately, some members of the media are not. This is fucking scary. Yeah, this is the scariest. Well, that's propaganda. I mean, this is, this is, they're, they're trying to bend a narrative in a very specific way for everybody. And they're warning you about something that's a legitimate concern. The false information. But they're also spreading it all the time.

1:43:43So it's like what they're saying is nonsense. What they're saying is they, they don't want to relinquish control of what the news is and what information is to the internet, to independent news sources and all these people that are investigating on very uncomfortable, but probably likely facts. Right. And then we are get, we get bombarded by these narratives. Yes. So every one of us based on how what we're intercepting our actual chamber. But we have a, we have a, what is reality? My reality is different than your reality. You know, we're not, that's why I need to talk to people who oppose. Sure.

1:44:19I need to talk to people who are different. I need to get out of my comfort space. But we don't. Right. I don't know what reality is. I really don't know. Do you, do you feel like you have a sense of it? You have a, a very slippery grasp, like trying to catch a salmon with your hands. It's like, it's slippery. Whatever it is, it's changing all the time and whatever the future is. It's really, it's a gamble and a guess. And we don't know. And we're not even taking a consideration natural disasters, which have plagued humanity since the very beginning. And knocked us back into the stone age several times.

1:44:53That could happen too. There's so much going on with us. And there's so much that it's, it's hard to be in the moment, but it's also crucial. If you want to enjoy this weird thing, you got to be in the moment as possible. And to be in the moment, man, you have to do a lot of work. There's a lot of stuff you have to do. My whole existence is about being in the moment because I can't let my mind wander. Yes. And worry about what has happened or even scarier what might happen. In my home. Even I are very different because I spend a lot of time alone. And I spend a lot of time just thinking. A lot of time just by myself thinking whether it's in floatation tank or whether it's in the sauna or whether it's...

1:45:33I do stuff to put myself alone so I can think and to find out what are those dark thoughts, what are those deep thoughts. What the fuck is going on? I want to know how I think about things and why I think about things. So I spend a lot of time doing that. I can't handle that. I know, I understand. You know, there was a movie line. I can't handle the truth. I really can't. I have to really live in a fantasy world that I create for myself because I'm really afraid to stick my toe in that deep end of thought. Yeah, but the fact that you're able to express that is so valuable because there's so many...

1:46:05Yes, yes, yes, because there's many people that feel the same way as you. And they're listening right now. And they're like, okay, I'm not alone because the spectrum of the way people interface with reality is so wide. There's so many people that have a very hard time with everything. And there's so many people just seem to skate by without a worry in the world. And they're all existing at the same time period. And the ones who skate by without a worry, they might be wrong. And the people that are anxious all the time, they might be correct. Or not, you know what I mean? I don't know. It's like the whole thing is like, how do you interface with all the people around you?

1:46:36And what can you do to make the world a better place? I think all you can do is control yourself. Yeah, control yourself. That's it. And if everybody does that, then the world becomes a better place. You have no control over anything else. Not even your own children, not your own friends, not even your own business. Really. Right. And when you realize that you have no control, you're on that roller coaster that I speak of. Yeah. That I use in comedy, but it is in life. Yeah, it's in life. Just do your best. I'm doing it. Yeah, that's what everybody, that's the message for everybody. Just do your best.

1:47:07And like, your best gets better. And just keep going. I hope so. Yeah, I think so. I think, I mean, until unless something horrible goes wrong, it's generally you get better at stuff. And shit's gonna happen. Horrible shit's gonna happen. Weird shit's gonna happen. I was watching this documentary today. The new James Fox documentary. Jamie. He's coming on next week. It's a new James Fox documentary about a UFO landing in Brazil in 1996. Holy shit. It's incredible. I had no idea that there's this, there's a city called Vagina in Brazil. And in 1996, according to everyone who was there, according to medical records of people who were there, according to like, they blocked off the military, came in, cordoned off the area, they recovered a crashed UFO.

1:47:57And there was living creatures that people came in contact with. And one of them was this tiny little thing that this guy carried. And he carried it to wherever they were going to examine it. And when he carried it, he got whatever was on its skin. It had like a slippery kind of skin. It got into his body and infected him. And he wound up with this horrible general infection. And he wound up dying. His body shut down. His immune system shut down. His body didn't know what the fuck to do with this alien thing that he was interacting with. And there's real records of this guy contacting this thing, grabbing it, carrying it in, all these people witnessed it.

1:48:31And then this guy winds up with this insane infection, shortly thereafter, that's all documented to all of his medical records. I find it more fascinating that there are groups of people that don't believe these stories. Yeah. This is a fascinating, I mean, you've got to be an idiot to believe. This one is particularly fascinating. But the bubble that we live in, where you have not witnessed a, and I'm talking about you being somebody who's listening here. Because you haven't seen a spaceship. Because you haven't been abducted. Because you didn't read this story to just convince yourself that it doesn't exist.

1:49:03Yes. And to shit on somebody else who has facts, like you got to tune in to listen to that episode. Well, listen happens to you. How the fuck could you ever believe that? Really? I mean, really? Yes, you could. But I'm saying, you know what I'm saying? I'm from a pessimist or a cynics point of view. Like, well, why would you come on? That's nonsense. Because it's ridiculous to believe that it hasn't happened to you. See, if it hasn't happened to you, you think it's not possible. Like you go, you go, you go, you go, you're born. The fact that you were born and you had children and you are living here and just functioning and living in this.

1:49:36Crazy. This is fucking nuts. Yeah, this is nuts. This is nuts. But this is accepted. Why is this any nutty or less nutty or then believing that in the, we are just this little dot that this doesn't exist other places and they have the facility to make their way here from time to time. It's just a lack of irrefutable evidence. There's a lack of something where everybody could point to it. Like if you say, I believe in the Golden Gate Bridge, I'm like, get the fuck outta here, Howard. It's not a bridge across the ocean. That's so stupid. How would they even do that? And then you take me to the Golden Gate Bridge.

1:50:09I'm like, holy shit, it's a real thing. I see it. But if I had no idea what it was, and you were just explaining it to me, maybe I'm a moron. I'm like, I don't believe it. I never saw a bridge. I've seen a UFO. But once, how you really? Yeah. What'd you say? I saw, and I was with my wife, and it was right there. I was driving, I was in Toronto. I'm from Toronto, Canada. I was in my 20s, and we were driving down a country road. And I thought, oh my god, there's a giant accident way up ahead because I saw this line of like a half a mile wide of all these flashing lights. So I thought it was like a line above amulets, or you know, first responders, or whatever.

1:50:46And as I got closer and closer, that whole line of lights, quicker than I can fathom, just shot into the sky and disappeared. And I turned to my wife, and I go, did you use? I saw something. Did you see something? She goes to lights, and I go, yeah. And we've never seen anything since. We went this way before the internet, but we called the airport. We called the military. Has there been any reports? We didn't see anything on the news, but we both saw it. What did you describe, Bill Litz? A straight line of lights that looked like they were probably, you know, a quarter of a mile wide. You know, like it was, this was a giant line of lights.

1:51:31So I thought it was all cars lined up, you know, on a road. We were in a, there was no street lights or anything. It was about, when I realized what it was, it was probably about 30 or 40 feet above the road, you know, when I think about where I first saw the lights, they couldn't be on top of a car, because there's no car. That stands that high or trucks or a train. And then the point was that how fast that I saw, how quickly I saw this line of lights just shoot into the atmosphere and disappear. I've never seen anything move that, at that velocity. How far away was it when you, when it shot away?

1:52:12See, because I, it was night, it could have been 10 miles, it could have been one mile. I don't know how big it was, because I didn't actually see the object. I saw a line of lights. So I don't know how far I was from the lights. But I do know, if you called my wife right now, she would describe the exact same thing. She was sitting in the car with me. We're both not, you know, UFO enthusiasts. We, I don't know that I didn't have a non -belief. I just, just never thought of it. We saw this weird thing that has never been explained to us. I think it would be ignorant of me to not think that this was something beyond our scope as far as what we have.

1:52:52So I've seen that. And I've read a lot, like you have, of other people who are seemingly trustworthy, educated people, who have seen similar things, who've had, it's not always just the cook and the cornfields that, you know, I saw a UFO. There are people in science, educated people who have seen it. So fighter pilots, fighter pilots, commercial pilots. Did you see the most recent one? There was a woman who was a model who was on a plane. Did you see that, Jamie? It just got released today. She got what they're calling some of the most compelling UFO video ever. She's flying in a plane in this silver thing.

1:53:31They freeze -framed it. It looks like a flying disc. A model saw this? A model. She's just in a plane and filming out the window. And they had seen this thing, apparently, and she's trying to film it, and it shoots by the plane. You know, and I've talked to many pilots who have recounted seeing things and not being able to explain it. And we just brushed that off. You know, oh, here it is. So play this. I mean, what in the fuck is that? So look at that. And look at that line. It's up on a 45 -degree angle. That is, and the speed that it's kind of moving is the speed that I saw something in only at night.

1:54:10But you have to take any consideration that this plane is moving in a specific direction, and the UFO is moving in the opposite direction. So it looks faster? It looks much faster than it actually is. So even if that was like a Mylar balloon, if you're passing it that fast, see that thing, I mean, I don't know what you're getting there. Like, is that distorted? Like, when they're showing that image, that to me looks like it's from another fucking world. Like, if that's really what it looks like, and it's actually flying like that, but I don't know if that's a distortion based on the freeze frame of this.

1:54:43You know, you also have to take into consideration what kind of phone does she have, how fast is the camera? Is it able to pick things? Because there's things that can happen with artifacts, with digital artifacts, and things move very quickly. You get like weird lines that might not, but that looks very distinct. But at a certain point, there's been so many sightings. You've got to be an idiot to believe. It's so fascinating, man. I love it. So whatever this thing is, I mean, if I was a cynic, I'd say, oh, it's a fucking balloon. But it is weird because it's not moving that fast. If the plane is moving, it's a propeller plane.

1:55:22Let's say it help a fast, you think it propeller planes. 90. So if that was stationary, now it's imagined the propeller plane is going against the wind. So maybe that thing is going with the wind. So whatever that thing is getting blown with the wind current. So it could be a balloon. So if that thing is going 90 miles an hour, just imagine if you're a car, and you're going 90 miles an hour and you're passing someone that's going in the opposite direction on the other side of the highway, they would probably be moving quicker than this. Let's see that again. Back that up again. So watch this thing.

1:55:52Imagine you're in a car, you scoot along the highway, and there's a car comes around the turn. It goes just like that. It's probably very slow. It's probably not fast at all. And it might even be stationary. It might just be blowing in the wind. Because if you picture how fast the plane is going and how fast the... Now this is obviously assuming that the wind is going in the direction of whatever that thing is. So this came out today. What are people saying about it? But here's the thing. If it's going the opposite, if it's going... If actually the plane is going with the wind, and this thing is going against the wind, then it gets weird.

1:56:28Because then you have to go, okay, well, is that plane going fast enough where it looks like that? If it's just stationary, or if it's just fluttering in the wind? Because you're passing it. So it's kind of tricky. When you get that video and you go, oh my god, it's UFO. Look at it fly past you fast. Mmm. Not really that fast. Well, more importantly than this speed. You know, that's what I saw something. For me, it was just lights at night and they moved. Yeah, that's different. But that's different. But this is something you can't explain. But you were saying it sounds like it moved way faster than that.

1:56:57It did. Yeah. It did. I've never seen anything disappear like that. And more importantly, I have a witness. Yeah. I was sitting there at the same time and we didn't... We were driving because we thought it was a big accident. Maybe there was a train crash or something. So were the people on the highway? No, it's just me and her about midnight. And it was in a north of Toronto. We were heading up north. But she'll tell you the same story. And we're both not, you know, do you know the Betty and Barney Hill story? No. That's an amazing story. It's one of the very first UFO abduction stories. And I think it was from 1950s somewhere around then.

1:57:32Betty and Barney Hill, I believe they were in Maine. And something happened to them. And they saw something in the sky. And then they had all these terrors and night, night terrors and like weird feelings. And then they got hypnotic regression. And during the hypnotic regression, they both told a very eerily similar story about being taken aboard this craft, about experiments being done on them and then being put back in their car and having their memories, at least partially erased. And it was only accessible to them when they did hypnotic regression. Very controversial, but it's also like...

1:58:05It was one of the very first depictions of these beings that are kind of... It's part of the iconic alien -looking thing. Like that everybody seems to see a very similar creature, a very small creature with very big head, very big eyes, and that these folks had an experience with them. It's more amazing to me that it isn't widely accepted with how many experiences have been written about, have been documented, even by military pilots and Barney and his wife. But don't you think there's more people that accept it now? Like Michio Kaku talks about it now openly. Whereas Michio Kaku is a very like straight -laced physicist, who his entire career is just advocated based on science and evidence and he's very rational and he's a great communicator.

1:58:53But now he's turned the corner where he says the amount of evidence that is available. Now the evidence... Now the side of the critic is the one that has very little evidence. He thinks the side of the believer... This is a vast amount of data that seems to indicate that there's some things out there that we really don't understand. Except the one question that I have is why would the military keep it a secret? Like why would this be a secret that there are existences of other life? It doesn't make sense to keep it from the public. Well I think the same reason why the New York Times thinks that we shouldn't know who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

1:59:30People that are in control of like very dangerous and very volatile information, often times feel like the public can't handle it. That's a common theme. I mean that's one of the reasons why people want to stop even like obvious silly stuff on the internet. You know like there's people that advocate to stopping people to believe in the earth being flat. Like well come on. Like at what point in time do you just let people believe stuff? I have a point in time to advocate for the most gullible folks amongst us who have the worst confirmation bias to like protect them from information. Well you know I have not to bring it back to me but my podcast, the guy who edits it, is a flat -erther.

2:00:12And I haven't been able to convince him. Well this is really convincing documentaries online if you don't know astrophysics and you don't have access to scientists that can disbunch each and every claim every step of the way of all these different things. The amount of people that would have to be in on this scam. You would literally need every person who's ever worked on every satellite, every space dish, every telescope, space telescope, all the people that worked on the Hubble, all the people that worked on all the space travel, everything that's ever been done. Every satellite image, everything that we know about the galaxy, everything we know about how we can detect planets by the gravity wobble that they induce in the stars when they go around them.

2:00:58We know so much about how many people know so much that how you do not get that. And there's so many people involved and they all universally agree. Everyone involved universally agrees that all planets are round and there's a specific reason for that. And the size of them has to do with how much gravity they carry and the Jupiter protects us from asteroids because it's so big and we can watch them hit Jupiter. The idea that all that's fake, it seems so wild that people buy into that. More importantly, why? I always ask them... It's fun. It's fun? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun to think you know things that other people don't know.

2:01:40It's fun to think that everybody else is a sheep and that you understand the firmament, and there's this big glass cover over there, and the stars just lights in the sky and the earth is the center of everything and God's in control the whole ride. Well then this guy, he's a good editor and apparently he's having fun. Well, it's just interesting because the mystery itself of the universe is so fucking vast. It's so amazing and so fascinating to think that we really have no idea how big this thing is. And we can look back to like 13 plus billion years, but now they're able to look back further and they're finding stuff that God does.

2:02:18Maybe this is older than we thought it was, maybe this is bigger than we thought it was, and there's so many calculations involved and so many people have to go over this. The idea that they're all in on this, and this is just we're in a fish bowl. It's got a funny, but hey man, believe it over the fuck you want to believe. You know, but also, you know, the people, it's funny that there's a lot of people that are really good at a thing and then they believe in the flat earth. Now imagine someone who went to school for what you go to school for. You know, whether it's audio engineering or coding, and then someone who has no experience in whatsoever, just watched a bunch of wacky YouTube videos, things that all coding is fake, and that it's all horseshit and we're all already in the matrix and there's all, it's all the new world order programming us through fucking avocados or whatever it is.

2:03:06You would be like, God damn it, I went to school for this. Like people that we all count on to disseminate information to us. Worked so hard to study through telescopes and satellite telescopes and the Hubble and the James Webb and they're throwing things in the space that have massive fucking lenses on them so we could see deep into the cosmos and to say that that's all fake and that everybody's involved in it is kind of hilarious. Well, my other note is a lot of people. Yeah, and he knows and that's what I love about it. I find it actually fascinating. What if he's right? That'd be funny. And we're all wrong.

2:03:43It'd be funny if it really was this massive conspiracy if we go like to, there's some fucking ancient scrolls that explain the whole thing and that's really what's going on and that these scientists are all in cahoots. I always, from the beginning, from Galileo. Someone's Galileo piped up the whole short to fuk -oop. I love that you have a theory for everything, Joe. Yeah. You do. You're like a theorist. Not really. They're very half -baked and most of them aren't thought out that well. They're just fun. Well, you spend time thinking alone in the... Yeah. Yeah. I'm fascinated by you. You are so different than me but I love listening to you.

2:04:22I love watching you and I'm very proud of you. I'm very proud to... I don't know you that well. But I'm proud of what you're doing for the comedy community. I'm proud of what you did for the podcast community. There's a whole new way of just getting in, getting in, you know? Yes, that evolution of the thing. The evolution of the thing came along with the access to the internet provides. But there are pioneers and then there are the sheep that follow. Well, not really a pioneer. There's other people who were doing it before me. I mean, I got the idea from, first of all, when Adam Corolla left radio, he immediately went to podcasting.

2:04:57I did his podcast. I remember thinking, wow, maybe I could do this someday. This seems like something you could do. You just put it up on the internet. But it was like extremely expensive. I remember he was telling me how much his download bills were every month. I was like, Jesus. His data bills were crazy. Adam Corolla was like a real pioneer. Adam Curry is the original pioneer. He's the original pot father. That's the guy who... I don't know who that is. Adam Curry was an MTV VJ. Yeah. And now he hosts this podcast called No Agenda. It's a very big podcast. But he's literally the guy who came up with the first podcast.

2:05:28He's a good friend of mine. He lives out here. He's frequent guests on the show. Great guy. Brilliant guy. And he's number one. Like, he came up with it first. So I was lucky that that thing already exists. It's not like I pioneered it. There's a lot of people that are already doing it. I pioneered coming late to the party. That's my thing. A lot of people have. Yeah, no, I've got that. That's how he man dealt that stuff. Yeah, but the thing is in this world, if you have something that's interesting, it doesn't matter if you come late to the party. People just hop aboard. There's a lot of podcasts that get really big, really quickly.

2:05:58But just a lot of them. It's hard to separate. Yeah, I was talking to my gardener has one. And it's amazing. Everybody has one. Yeah. But I don't do it. I'm actually loving the process of what we're doing right now. Yeah. More than, you know, whatever this achieves as far as the amount of subscribers and the amount of listeners or whatever. I like sitting in a room with my daughter, you know, kind of downloading whatever it is we're interested in at the moment. That's awesome. That's all that's important is if you're enjoying it, other people will as well. You know, that's really what podcasting was.

2:06:36When we started it out, we were just on a webcam. Just talking shit, you know, and just having fun. And just it was fun to do. It was just a fun thing to do. We used to do it in green rooms, of comedy clubs sometimes. And then I saw, you know, there was a bunch of people that had done similar things like Tom Green turned his whole house into one. I mean, he was really the, that was, there's a video of us on that show in 2007. And I'm going, this is a future. Like this is what we have to figure out how to make money off of. Have to figure out how to do this and just keep everybody out and make money off of this.

2:07:05And he walked away from it. He did, but he's doing one again now, right? Isn't Tom doing a new podcast? He said he was going to relaunch something real recently, I think. Because he posted that video and said he was going to relaunch his show. I hope he does. He's really fun. He kind of started a trend too. He started on public access and then made his way into stand up. And he's a really good musician. And to the day he's a skateboarder. Freddie got fingered is a fucking hilarious movie that does not get the credit it deserves. It was just so wild that people didn't know what to fuck to do with it.

2:07:37That movie was hilarious. Yeah, Harlan was in that, right? Harlan William. Was he in that? Yeah, the Kings of the Lair is too. Harlan was at the club this weekend. I love Harlan. Yeah, he did my podcast too, but he, I love him. I could watch it. He is, he should be and in my mind is a superstar. He's one of the funniest guys just saying out what he really is. He's so funny and he's another one. If you wrote his act down, you're like, what is this? Yeah. Just make me want you crying laughing when he says it. Oh, he's so odd. He's from the same, he's from Toronto too. Yeah, there's another yuck yuck guy.

2:08:09Yeah. A lot of people came out of my club, Nor McDonald, me, Jim Carrey. Toronto was a happening place in the late 70s, early 80s. In the late 70s, there was San Francisco, there was Boston, there was New York and LA. LA was just sort of starting to pop off, right? Boston. After Boston and New York, New York was catch and improv, where the two Toronto did well with yuck yucks. Boston was big. Nick's. Yeah, Nick's. Comedy stop. Yeah, did you go there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, worked there a lot. I remember dropping in on that place and what was Bill's? Bill had a, is it the comedy connection? The comedy connection, right?

2:08:52And now it's the Wilbur, he has the Wilbur. Yes, it's the comedy connection, the Wilbur and, you know, Bill, he was at the comedy connection and Fan You Hall, a member who was in Fan You Hall. Yeah. And he had like road gigs too and then he had the comedy connection in Rhode Island. That was like a bank that they converted into a comedy club. It was very interesting. So we're partners now in JFL and Muntower. Yeah, he's the man. He is. He's a good guy. He's a real good guy and he speaks highly of you. I told him I was going to be here today. He said say hi. Yeah, I love him. I love him too. No, not a guy forever.

2:09:25But that's one of the cool things about this business too. Like, nice guys, you get to find him and, you know, have a relationship the last 30 years. Yeah. Which makes you seem old. It's cool. We are old, dude. I know. No, if fans are about that. That's fucking killing me. It's wild, right? Yeah. I had no idea. I used to remember being like in the presence of my parents when they go, I haven't seen you in 10 years. I'd go, I can't even fathom recognizing somebody that I haven't seen in 10 years. I've been in the business. I've been married for 43. I've been in this business for almost 50 years.

2:09:57Wow. I got up on a dare. How old were you when you got on stage? Well, not a 22 was the first time. So I'm six. I'll be 68 this year. So how many years is that? What's that? That's 46, right? Yeah. Yeah. Four years away from half a century in this business. I got up on a dare and then I kept a fortune. I went out for Chinese food that night. I kept a fortune cookie. And it said, tonight, your life path will change. Whoa. And it was so, it's so, and I'm never, do you believe in fortune cookies other than that one, which is clearly true. If that was your only piece of evidence, you'd be like, well, clearly, fortune cookies.

2:10:35Yeah, the two things that you have. Right. Fortune cookies and even the, do you believe in life after death? I don't not believe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have no reason to not believe and I've no reason to absolutely believe. But I have a feeling that whatever we are, it transforms forms from this to other things. Well, science says that, you know, energy cannot be destroyed. It only changes forms. So it'll change into another form. I think we're probably way more complex, the way we integrate with the universe than we even understand. I think we exist in this biological dimension, but there's some sort of a conscious and spiritual aspect to us.

2:11:13And that probably transcends life. All controlled by AI. Maybe. Maybe AI is like literally how everything gets made though. Maybe that's how the universe got made. I don't know if this is real. Who knows? Well, the real people that believe in simulation don't think it is real. They think the probability theory, if you incorporate probability theory into simulation theory, just by virtue of the fact that there is a civilization like ours, and that there's probably an infinite number of civilizations like ours and more advanced other places. The idea that it doesn't exist seems less likely is what they say.

2:11:50By the possibility. Extreme possibility. It's all possible. So who's ever listening? Before the first, it could be that what we're seeing with these things is time travelers. What we're seeing is people that figure out a way to come back into this very volatile period of history and examine what human beings were like. And that they have figured out a way to do that and not fuck up our timeline by just zooming in and zooming out and observing. It might be that they figure out some way to look back on the future and make sure that the future actually, look back in the past, rather, and make sure the future actually does take place.

2:12:25Because maybe there's some pivotal things in history. Like that's part of the folklore of UFOs is that they started coming after the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Well, no, part of it is even before, right? In the Sanskrit word, yes. It's not about the heat of. Yes, yes. And even in the Bible, there's an Ezekiel's tale. It's very similar to what a lot of people describe when they describe UFO experiences. How many theories are there? There's a lot. I know. Just in this broadcast, we've covered like four, five, six, seven. Is this an actual broadcast? It might not be. Is anybody listening? I mean, they might not exist.

2:13:06We might not exist. Wow. Yeah. This is kind of, this is incredibly mind -boggling. Yeah, we might be a part of some gigantic computer program that's running in another galaxy. And is this AI? Did we, like, I saw a podcast of you where it wasn't you, but I thought it was you. Right. Is this you? In the future, it will be indesertable. That's me. Is this me? I don't know. Could be. I don't know. I'm just confused now. I think we're the last of the regular people. I think these dilemmas that we're currently wrestling with is the same, people are not going to understand this. The same way, it's hard to describe the kids Saturday night going to blockbuster video.

2:13:49Wow. Remember those days? Yeah, I do. I remember you, the king of analogies. You go to, you go on a date and you, let's go get a movie. Right. And you go and wander around like, what's out? Right. You know? And being a good person was be kind, rewind. Ah, that's right. It was, yes. I was always, uh, trying to be kind. I'm trying to be kind. Some people had two VCRs, one that you rewound it with because you didn't want to break your VCR by rewinding all the movies you watched. It was always fun just to go into the porn section of blockbuster. I like to watch the blockbuster. The blockbuster didn't have a porn section, but local places did.

2:14:20Well, blockbuster didn't have, no, blockbuster was our only. That's as far as they went, but there was a nose you looked. Yes, you looked. You know, nothing, you have to remember you'd have to go through the beads. Yes. Is it like beads or a saloon doors? Yeah, I was, I hated that. I didn't want to touch the beads. I didn't want to touch the beads. I would, but, uh, I like porn. I do. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. No, thank God you can get it yourself. It was so embarrassing. My whole comedy touring life to settle my spectravision bill was always huge, huge. Also like, yeah, like when you tour in the videos that you could rent in the movie in the room, in the room.

2:14:59In the room, spectravision. Yeah. I think that's what it's called. Was it spectravision? They said that Marriott hotels at one port in time were the number one distributive pornography in the world. Marriott. Yeah, because they were selling more porn out of Marriott. I think it, maybe that's Marriott. Check, I want to just, just, spurge. You know, many times I was in a lobby going, there's no way I watched six movies. I was only here one night. There's no way I watched. I think that was the case. Like people were saying, you know, everybody's anti -porn, but hey, look at this. Do you know the Marriott is like the place where most people are getting it, which at that time before the internet porn, it kind of makes sense.

2:15:38Because like people are on business trips, no one's around terrific in a treatment. Well, for me, it was just the stories. Yeah, all stories. I love stories. I love stories of delivery people and stepmoms and babysitters. People getting stuck in dryers. In the dryers. Yeah, there's like this whole genre of porn where girls pretend to get stuck in a dryer. I've never seen, and talk about the spin cycle. The guy grabs them and is like, I can't get you out. I don't know what's going on. Really? The girl gets horny and then, yeah. I don't know that one. I've never seen it in a dryer. Yeah, they get stuck under bad, it's ridiculous.

2:16:13That's a genre is the dryer. I'm stuck in the dryer. Just like there's a genre where it was like the stepmoms hot and the dad's old and the dad goes to work and the sun. Yeah, the step sun is the problem. I get that. It's not just like it. Not in an appliance isn't like a young hot stepmom. No, but it's usually like stepbrother is trying to help the girl. She's under the bed. She lost her phone. She stuck. Stepbrother's helping her. I didn't click on those. I didn't know. What is that genre if I want to look? I'm stuck. Help me. I'm going to go look. Yeah, I'm stuck porn. You know it's really weird now.

2:16:49There's AI porn. So they can make how you mendell porn. That's what's weird. I know about that. My son who produces for me has a lot of friends. My son is single. My son has a model rescue service where he takes in damaged models and then nurses them back to health and then releases them back out into the wild. But some of those people that he knows they've been taken deepfaked their faces and put them in porn. Yeah. And there's no recourse. Nothing you can do. And you know we had an issue with commercials where there was people doing commercials with my podcast. I never did a commercial for them.

2:17:30They just used AI. And you try to track it down and try to get it removed. And it's like all these shell companies and you're going through this maze. This is like pretty sophisticated scams. Oh, you see that's why I did the AI because I wanted to I wanted the AI to do the commercials on my podcast. Right. But how would you stop someone from using AI to make commercials with you? Because if I saw a commercial that I had in sanctioned, then I can go after that company. Right. But what I'm saying is when you try to go after that company, you go down a maze. The shell companies. The product that they're advertising?

2:18:04Yes. It's very squirrely. I didn't know that. They're doing it in a very, well at least the one that they did me. They're doing it in a very interesting way. I think it's super sophisticated. I think it's like, did you get it taken down? No. No. I think some social media sites will take it down, but other people can pop it right back up again in a different account probably. But if you can find the product, why couldn't you find them? It's very complicated. We'll talk about it off the air. Okay. I'll explain to you the whole thing. Please. There's a lot because I'm getting into that world. Yeah.

2:18:33It's a sneaky world, man, because you're dealing with people, there's scammers that are just always trying to find. There's this one scammer that used this girl's voice to call her mom and tell her mom that she was in trouble and that she had to send money. And the kidnapper had a disguised voice and they have the daughter speaking to the mom in her actual voice. And this woman is in a panic and she really does think that her daughter is in this situation. But then she gets a hold of her daughter. And the daughter is like, why are you been calling me? And she's like, oh my god, you're okay? She's like, yeah, okay.

2:19:07What the fuck's wrong with you? And she's like, I've been getting a phone call that says that you've been kidnapped and it's your voice telling me to donate money to this kidnapper. And she's like, what? And so then they tracked it down, figured out what happened. And there's a bunch of scammers who had used this woman's with a deep fake, used this woman's recordings and used her voice to try to extort money. Wow. Crazy. It's getting scary out there. That's coming over to the dark side. Nice to hear. Now I scared. I came in and I have to go inside. Don't talk me to the dark side. That's crazy.

2:19:41No, I mean, it's just, it is what it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. Because people are getting scammed. And that's humans. But I think that even more concerning than that is the emerging intelligence. That's what's going to be really wild. Because we're dumb. And we're going to get taken over by the world. Well, we're going to be speaking. Yeah, we'll be speaking.

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2:21:14We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. We're going to be speaking. And this is a big internationalقول Google artificial digital god thing. It's like it's going to be programmed With their sensibilities, their ethics Their morals, their ideas. What they think is right and just And what they think people can handle and not handle. But is in the point of artificial intelligence That it could make up its own mind? It probably will. Ultimately.

2:21:49It's probably going to go, hey, shut the fuck up. Right. Yeah, we got this. And it'll do it better than they can. Yeah, and it'll have like conferences where it has to talk to people about cleaning their act up. Like, have a seat, everybody. We're going to tell you how to fix all these fucking problems that you've been just putting off in the world in terms of environmental damage, in terms of socioeconomic problems, all these things. We're going to fix all this. We're going to put humanity into harmony. That's the best case scenario that it comes up with real, scalable solutions that we can apply to make the world a better place.

2:22:24And it's going to immediately remove money from politics. It's going to go, hey, fuck. Fuck you creepies. It's like you're not the same person you were at the beginning of this podcast. That's the best case scenario. Let's leave it at that. There's just so many possibilities. We're very lucky in that sense that we get to experience it. I mean, isn't that like a Chinese proverb? Like, may you live in interesting times? Are you worried about your kids? Yes. Yes. But I bet my kids were worried about me. You know, I think it's normal. I think we always worry about kids, you know. Some people have this like very relaxed attitude, like Pendulet.

2:23:00It's very funny. He goes, I think it's always the kids are all right. Like he always says that they're going to be fine. They're going to figure it out. Ignorance is bliss. You know? It's not even that it's ignorance is bliss. It's like they adapt to the new world, you know? They adapt to whatever the, you know, back when we were kids, we didn't have to adapt to this. It didn't exist. Now they do. They have to adapt to the pressures of social media. And it's a real challenge. And some of them are not doing so good with it. And for some of them, it makes them more depressed. And it's leading itself harm.

2:23:28And suicide is up. And there's like Jonathan Hate wrote a great book about it, the coddling of the American mind. And he talks about the negative aspects of social media. And I was, there's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and all these, it's particularly to girls. Like girls in particular are judging themselves based on how other girls look online when they're using filters. They're distorting their proportions of their bodies. They don't really look like that. They look way better. And it's very hard when these people draw out of you cope with that having daughters.

2:23:59It's hard. You know, you got to communicate with them and explain to them what's happening. And at least they'll understand what this is. And also let them know that there is this natural inclination that we have to judge ourselves on other people's lives. Like there's billionaires out there that are upset that there's another billionaire that has a bigger yacht and a better jet and a better this and a better that. Like there are FOMO all over the place. There's even FOMO at the highest levels. Like everybody's caught up in this weird thing of wanting validate. Well, self satisfaction is based on what we see on the outside.

2:24:31You know, you have to be, you're not satisfied if somebody, how can I be satisfied if he has more? Right. You know, so what is, I want to be the top guy and then I'll be satisfied. But what is the top? There's no satisfying that though. That's a monster that never gets fed. And that's it. Yeah. Kind of wound down. Should we wrap it up? How are you, man? Del, you're the fucking man. Thank you. So it's good to see you brother. Thank you. You're a good man. I know. You are. No, and so are you, buddy. You're very smart. You're very, you're ahead of the curve. And you are really interesting. And you know what?

2:25:08I listen to everything. And even when there's been times when I haven't agreed with you. But you've actually sold me on the opinion because like you said, if you have somebody who has a difference of opinion, if they can intelligently explain it, or you can even understand where they're coming from. And that doesn't really exist that much in our world today. And you always do that. And you always provide that. And there's no question to why this is a hugely successful podcast where people listen to you. And even at times when we don't agree, I respect your opinion. You know, and this has been just a joy.

2:25:45It's great to meet you. I hope you really come through and allow me to step on your stage tonight. No, we're doing tonight. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'm going to be at the Paramount Theater also tonight for Moon Tower. Oh nice. That's a great theater. Is it? Yeah, I saw Andrew Schultz film his comedy special. Would you ever do it? You do ever do other people's podcasts? You don't. Do you? I have occasionally. Will you ever come on mine? Have we made that stuff? We can tell that's it. We can tell that's it. Yeah, I do it. Oh yeah? Yeah, I do it. Please. Do it. I wouldn't say what I do it. Or a hologram.

2:26:15Or a hologram. I can set it up so you can do it by hologram. Okay, I'll do a hologram. Would you really? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so let's do it. That'll be fun. You will be fine. Where's a hologram studio around here? We'll figure it out. We'll talk about it. We'll figure it out. Okay. But you should hologram out to how we made that stuff. Let's do it. And I'll get three more subscribers. Yay. Thanks brother. Appreciate you. All right. Bye everybody.

2:26:42Bye.