#1974 - Ric Flair

26:07And what happened ultimately is he took five of us on the plane and he, we didn't know at the time he was carrying no fuel because we were 1400 pounds over gross. So we get there and hit it a little bit of a headwind. We're between 7 to 8 ,000. It's not a fresh, fresh plane. So that's not 310. And he did what's called passable point of no return. He should have landed in Raleigh and refilled, but he's looking and saying it to 100 miles right. So I'm been on to us. The guy in front of me, Johnny Ballantin, who got paralyzed, kept looking at the gas gauge and looking back and being going, I was going to Johnny at that dry sense of humor.

26:48Well, we're flying along. All of a sudden the wreck engine goes, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, maybe like six times over like you see any more reason and ping, ping, ping, right? I went, shit. He reaches down and he pulled up to reserve, natural reaction. There is no reserve gas. Left engine went, boop, boop, boop. And instead of we flew into an archery orchard, right? Gormdale, a cartwheel of smaller craft. We were going so fast we had to work down and landed in railroad maintenance, stuck at the ground at 230 miles an hour. So we were probably going, you know, well, we're 300. And we're just literally 200 yards from the runway.

27:32Wow. They tried. And you, he died. He never regained consciousness. And two chicks came, both engaged to them, they'll knock out at the door, the hospital door. Oh boy. I told the guy, he says, he goes, Joey, you can talk on the, so they're putting this in the, in the ambulance, right? It's like the old military style, not like the ones that are like a, like a hospital room, right? You're putting in a rack, right? And he goes, I think we're right, who's this one? So I go, I told the guy, I said, I think he's talking about me. I said, man, go my shaving kit. So the letter to a chick named Sheila, I said, tell Sheila, love her, but not to come see me.

28:19Last time seeing Sheila. Boy, the guy showed up 10 years later, the match to the mirror, the guy, got the letter for you, it just thanks.

28:31So how bad did you get injured and he actually broke my back three places, T 10, 11 and 12? So fractured the actual bones, compression, yeah. I used to be a six foot two. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry, especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control. It goes through payroll, your accountant, your tax consultant, and countless other data centers on its way to the IRS. Yes, any of them can expose you to identity theft because they all have the info on your W2, just the ticket for criminals to steal your identity.

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31:38That was what we're going to do, right? They said you're never going to wrestle again. Yeah. That was in 75, what did you say? When was it the first? October of 75, and I was back in the ring in March of 76. Yeah. I went from 255 to 180 back to 218. Wow. But I never got myself to land flat on my back again. Everybody knows that I'm on my hip on my side. Yeah. Because you're back injury. Yeah, just couldn't get myself to land flat. So the promoter I was wrestling said, if you don't take a backdrop, that's where we flip over a guy's shoulder and go up in here like six, seven feet. When making a wrestle hour every night until you do.

32:23So after two weeks of wrestling, some of the crowds back then were 253 in the people. I mean, five bucks rings. I had Fisherville North Carolina, Fisherville, Virginia, middle of nowhere, right? One hour every night. Finally, I said, damn it. I was just going to take the backdrop. Throw me in, hit the remote, took it boom. That was over. I just couldn't get myself to land flat on my back. When you did what happened, were you all right? With fine. Yeah. So it was just psychological. All psychologically, yeah. Jesus Christ. And that's one of the things, you know, with you that's so rare. There's only probably two handfuls of wrestlers that famously in the WWF would have these long hour long when it was the main event of a pay -per -view back then.

33:09They would have an hour was normal for you. I did 330 hours, three years in a row, I did more than 330 hours. Yeah. So like most pro wrestlers sometimes nine hours a week. Yeah. Twice than Saturday, twice than Saturday. Unbelievable. So those pro wrestlers that are famous, you have like, if you're in the main event on a Monday night or whatever, it's maybe 10, maybe 20, if it's a crazy match, maybe 30 minutes, but him versus Brad Hart versus Sean Michaels versus Hulk Hogan versus Andre versus everybody. It was long, long matches. Steamboat, Randy Savage. Why was that? Because in the old days, if you're the NWA champion and was either you win or you go Broadway and none of the promoters that I travel around the world, none of the promoters won their top, we got to get beat.

34:02The problem is that half the guys could wrestle for an hour. So I'm wrestling myself. Yeah. The last half hour basically wrestling myself. Putting on a show. Even the worst part was down here with the Bonairex. I'm sure you remember that story. Sure. They actually, the movie coming out, I had to wrestle all those kids in there. They had a lot of issues with chemicals and just the nightmare. Greatest kids in the world, but wrestling all were the, someone that's impaired is really rough. Was it rough because they couldn't coordinate? Coordinate. I don't mean physically rough, but just difficult.

34:36They were just out there. To tell a story. Yeah. Right. Right. So when you would have a match like that, it's an hour match. We just kind of flow in figuring out, did you have a pre -conceived ending to it or did you just go out? No, just always just call it the ring. Because I have to hear the crowd. I don't do that now, but for me, even like for I retired, I got to hear the crowd because you know, you can put all this together in rehearsal, right? And walk out and all of a sudden the crowd was going, that they can turn on you just like this, right? So you got to, which takes a lifetime to learn, you got to have plan A, plan B.

35:16I mean, it's like a football team getting ready to go out and three receivers dropped the first long pass. I mean, I mean, you've got to start all over again. So when you would get out there, you and the guy would be working, you would call things? Yeah. And so you just sort of, or generated the whole thing from there. Wow, that's for a whole hour. Yeah, it's like riding a great on board, we would be driving to me.

35:43But it's got, you got to be insane shaped. And for nine hours a week, the amount of physical beating that progress was put on their body is like really nothing in entertainment or sports. Because the amount of shows you guys did because it's every day, there's no season. Yeah. Yeah, there's no time off. That's what people don't appreciate. There's no time off. So WrestleMania has got all right. The kids have seven days off, right back at it. So they get seven days after WrestleMania. That's nothing. Yeah, especially for the kind of impact those guys take. Yeah, you know, that stuff they do now is insanity.

36:20We didn't have all the ladder matches and I've only been in a couple of those. I've been through the tables and all that stuff a hundred times, but those ladder matches, like we're edger, spirit, Jeff Hardy. Oh, yeah, totally. But there was also even crazier stuff that happened in your era that doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, like steel chairs to the head. Oh, yeah, we're going to ourselves. I took two blades and all the blood. I've seen this guy bleed more than any other human ever. Get her about 20 and get her about the 45 minute mark. We're using like just a small razor. Johnson blade break and a half tape up.

36:58I learned that in 72 before I even started working. The guy said, if you want to make $50 extra, do you mind cutting yourself? I said, shit, no. Because right then I was making $50. But if I cut myself, I got 50 more, I got 100. How many times a week would you cut yourself? Every day. My God. That's so crazy. It's like, no, no. Right. Vince had no more cuts.

37:27That was a great promo.

37:32You were fucking jacked back then too. Yeah, it was pretty, pretty healthy. How much, did you, but since you're doing that much touring and that much wrestling, did you, how much time did you get to like work out or did you work out every day in a matter? No matter what. No matter what. If I got a, if I got in that four in the morning, I worked out a five. Well, I never missed it. 500 free squats, pushups. You know, mostly in all the wrong body work, I want to work in full time. So I'm going to have to put in a 30 minutes of cardio, either 500 free squats or the stair master or was that common with other guys like you?

38:11No. It was just your work ethic. That was mine because I had to, I just had it at my mind that I had to be at work. And then because you know, you know, why don't you fly the town and get there, go get a tan. You don't have to tie an workout, you know. I want to work out in the morning and I'm going to have a couple hours to have a blue and a relaxed to go tan. So I just trained myself through it early in the morning. And so that was the only way you would have been able to wrestle nine hours a week. Yeah. I mean, if you weren't in peak physical condition, that is a grueling schedule. I don't think anybody really would understand how insane that is.

38:46It's not seven days a week, one hour a day. That's insane. Nine hours a week is bananas. One year I wrestled 426 times. Oh, shit. Wow. Not all hours, but that's how many days I wrestled. How many matches I wrestled in a year? The amount of impact on your body, the falls, the slams, the fucking clotheslines, like holy shit. I mean, the epitome of work hard, party hard because right after those matches, what is the routine? Take us through like, when you go straight and Austin, hey, little girl in the high school of squatter. I tell you, you should remember my day. I thought I should have. So we would have both gotten real trouble.

39:33Yeah. So like, when you go back through the curtain after an hour -long match, what goes on then? Take us through a night of these normal routine. You're working out, then you have the match, then what? Well, you remember my career, right? I used to go like, because in the old days, we could do that. We can't do it now, of course, because I don't accept it. I used to plug the America out, I'd say. You don't have to go to Disney World, the right is face -small and 18 to 28, no boy difference, no husbands, the Marriott, and I'd give that address of the Marriott, right? They'd come visit you at the hotel.

40:11There would be 300 to lobby, man. That's what, that was not a guy's soap opera, then, man. Oh my God. Oh yeah, yeah. They knew we were coming, and they were ready. Oh my God. They were tricked out. They used to talk to a little more, it's cold. What are you doing to neighbor? I'm going to be.

40:35300 of them. How did you pick who to hang out with? Oh, I went, but it's more of a, just me, I can't take it right now. Of course. No, I mean, all the guys came. I just want to throw their names out there. Right. But you, you were the ultimate wingman. I just couldn't go to bed.

40:54I just couldn't have good about it. Right. But also with your personality and like, with your persona, they must have just flocked to you all the crazy ones. Some of them did. No, certainly. The crazy ones. Probably. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to get gussied up to go meet Rick Flair, that goes on a mission. I hope so. Well, it wasn't like touring back then. Like, what was the, what was the whole scene like? Because this is like, well, it's really not like the guy soap opera. And it's pure, there's no girls in the hotel, even though they don't understand. And social media, the guys don't go out anymore.

41:34That just changed. I would have never, I would have never survived this. Right. Oh, this current climate? This current climate, no. I couldn't, I have a hard time doing it right now at 74. They low. You got a gigantic diamond wedding ring on. Is this a wedding ring or is this just a ring? It's a wedding ring. Yep. That must be the last one. Yeah. This is it. That's the same thing. Yep. That's that's when the kid her. She's the one. Took a long time. She's the one here, man. You are the one. When you were, by the way, Joe, she runs Rick Flair Shop .com. I had to give that a shout out. All right.

42:19Now I'll really get it when I get home. Rick Flair Shop .com. When you were like a young single guy, I mean, how did you maintain that pace? If you're wrestling nine hours a week and you're partying and you're meeting girls at the Marriott, like, where, how do you have the time for this? I don't know, but I found it. But I mean, like, where are you getting the energy from? I just always had a lot of self -finity. I mean, still very energetic, you know, because I actually regarose the surgeries and stuff like that. I feel great. I have no knee replacements, no hip replacements. That's amazing. That's an amazing surgery job.

43:03I almost died five years ago from my intestine rupture. I was from probably indulging too much. Anyway, I just, I've been lucky. It's been a really good gift to go. What operations have you had to have? I've had a two -roater cuff. I was going to have a third, but I just decided not to do it, but it doesn't hurt. I can't bend it, but it doesn't hurt. So as long as it doesn't hurt, I'm fine. Then I cracked C5 in my neck and then I had the three compression fractures. But my intestine completely ruptured in 2017 and that was septic, septic, which was a bad part, total kidney failure.

43:46What do you call that respiratory failure and pneumonia? So it took him $48 to get me ready for surgery. I was in a coma for 14 days. I see you for 31. Then I had just been in a month and rehab. I couldn't walk. I couldn't. I was just 2017. So you were like 69 back then? Some of Jesus. That's sketchy. That's very scary. Very lucky. And that was just from indulgence. Know what happened was that they tried to scare me and tell me that's from drinking. I said, what it was in 2015, I had a pain in my stomach and I put it off, put it off, put it off, and I'll find it. I said, well, when you're going to the doctor and I just looked at it.

44:27So within 15 minutes or operating, I mean, I had a rupture of appendix. So you know at five o 'clock, five o 'clock they go either going upstairs or you're going home. So at five o 'clock, they said, I'm going to keep you overnight. This was pretty bad. I said, not a chance. I got up, took the thing out of my arm. Just like a big deal. It was full of IV. Got up, took five feet. I got a hernia. Lately, back down. So two days later, it got off me. I got a hernia and they obstruct my bowel. The bowel obstructions, the bad one. And so from the operation? Yes. So then I met at three operations in 11 days.

45:06But boy, the abdominal pain was brutal. I finally got home. And then you find out, because I've asked a million doctors before I started drinking, again, I said, the drinking causes it. And what causes it? It's the one and a million times. And you got one and a million. Because you've had a previous bowel obstruction issue. It can happen again. And it did. I'll just sit in the bar and land. And the pain, I mean, I just dropped over it. I don't remember anything. Wow. Wow. The wife took me to the hospital and woke up 31 days later. That's crazy. One thing is about progressling is the amount of guys that are just in constant chronic pain that go to pain killers.

45:51Yeah. Yeah. Thank God it's eased up. But, you know, guys wrestle through injuries in the old days. It's much better. The company takes tremendous care of people now. But they've got to care themselves too. You know what I mean? And that self -medication, you know, the deal, one pill makes you feel good. I'll take two. Well, that doesn't what the doctor said. You know, it's like steroids. You can get one shot, okay, good. Well, I think I'll take two. That doesn't what you know what I mean. Right. The word moderation does not exist. It's starting to exist now in our business, but it never did for a long time.

46:26Well, there's such wild people, right? Wild people indulgent and on top of that, they're smashed into each other all the time. Yeah, and that's so much more the kids that are really refined. Yeah. They're much better yet. They're forced to be with social media and everything. But it's a whole 10 -year world now, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Do you miss the wilder world, though? I do. Yeah. I love the gohekins in that world. Yeah. Well, I should get to go back once in a while and then when this year's inducted Muda in Hall fame and my daughter's, and arguably with Roman Reigns, the biggest star in the company, Charlotte saw the Queen.

47:09No doubt. Unbelievable. I can't. I thank you for being here and verifying it. Yeah. She is an elite Roman. I mean, she is a freak athlete. 511 -150. I'll show you a picture. I mean, and can do that you saw a reagabor that German suplex where she rotated and landed on her face. I mean, unbelievable. Freak athlete. That's the kind of thing that I'm talking about. Level 10 gymnast. Wow. At 510, I mean, she was unreal. All American cheerleader. Just the sheer amount of impact that the human body takes. Look at her there. Boom. Can you show her doing the course through a moonsault? This is the vitality.

47:56It's got to be pretty cool too that your daughter falls in your footsteps. Well, also she does, of course, a figure four leg lock and she pops it up into that cool bridge. She goes into figure eight. Yeah. So she's literally, you know, he invented the figure four leg lock, which every fucking human anywhere around my age was doing to each other at eight years old and backyards and untrambolines all around the world. Watch this. Let's just tell. Sarah. Oh my God. It's a dream. Look at that. That is such a crazy thing to do the actual. Isn't that unbelievable to be that to be that tall and that it's just so risky?

48:38Oh my God. Jesus Christ. That is so crazy. To do that every night, my God, your ACLs, your discs, your shoulders, your wrists. She's healthy though. She's a good shape. Wow. She's got those durable brick flare jeans. Well, no, but she trains. I mean, she's, you know, she carries the food, you know, she packs her own food and all that. She's, I mean, I could never do that. I mean, I, for me, I got away with it because I was working so much, but I could eat anything and drink anything and I wouldn't gain a pound. But no, she just really takes care of herself. That kind of work ethic that you had when you were younger, did that rub off on the other guys you wrestled with?

49:24Yeah, some did. It's kind of like, you know, still people still talk about it because I just, I just, that came from Vern. I just learned that if I was in better shape. But, you know, the, the, the saying that what it means, I'll buy say fatigue makes cowards of us all. When you're dragging your tongue, man, I don't care how tough you are. Yeah. You're somebody's bitch if you want them to be. You know what I mean? And these guys coming out to the first half of all, are born with 30 minutes of to go. And we're probably already done seven matches that week. And again, 92 Royal Rumble, you, you come out number one, 30 entrants.

50:05You know how the Royal Rumble, oh, you were number two. Yeah. And I passed the same thing. I passed DBS and they went and I'll see you at the bar after the match. Ha, ha, ha. So he comes out number two, 30 entrants. It's basically kind of, was it your actual debut in the WWF or was it like, they built you up a little bit and then you're in the Royal Rumble. I think I had wrestled hold tonight before watching guard. Right. But basically we're meeting this guy who comes out number two with fucking white hair. And you know, I mean, it's just like who the hell, what, like what is going on? And he goes the whole match ends up.

50:45What do you mean? So there's this guy.

50:53Look at the outfit too. Imagine being eight and you're like, what the fuck is this guy? How does he have white hair? How does it match his robe? What's going on here? You had never seen anything like it. What year's this? 92? 92. And this is almost 20 years after the doctor tells you you're never going to wrestle again. Exactly. So just wild. So he enters. He ends up 30 people come out every minute. He ends up throwing all of them. Or everybody else ends up going over the top rope. The winner of this wins the WWF championship. He was even cooler and better back then. You would win the belt straight up because it was like a vacant belt that year or whatever.

51:37So this is all for the championship. And all of a sudden he's beating up on Hogan. You win. And then he cuts after the match, which they definitely don't do anything like that anymore. This diabolical promo that's wrestling folklore. Congratulations, Ric Flair, on becoming the Undisputed Champion of the World Wrestling Federation. Let me just say after view distorting the belt that proclaiming the real world champion, I'm going to tell you all, we're the tear in my eye. This is the greatest moment in my life. When you walk around this world and you tell everybody your number one, the only way you get to stay number one is to be number one.

52:25And this is the only title in the wrestling world that makes you number one. When you are the king of the WWF, you rule the world. Think about it like that. Mr. Perfect. Guys, I'm ready now. Woo, woo, woo. Let's give a big one. Woo. I was never so impressed with anything I've ever seen in all my life. He went out there for over 60 minutes. Never took a back step. Took it to Hogan. Took it to the undertaker. Took it to whoever got that ring. That's why he is. Hey, buddy. We're a real world heavyweight champion. We're not the kind of guys that say we told you so, but we told you so. This brings Tony right back to his childhood.

53:15It's just a show. He barely blinks the whole time. He just did the craziest physical shit possible. It's the greatest moment in my life. I want to jump. I want to party. But I got to tell you like this for the Hulk Hogan's and the match of mans and the fibers and the sids. Now it's Rick Flair and yo, Beethoven's to the man. Woo.

53:44That's the shit. That's the shit. So when you started like the early early years, like what was the tour like? Like what was what was the traveling like? 30 ,000 miles a week, 3500. When I was in the Carolina, we do like a living in Charlotte. I was there for 42 years. You would drive to Greenville 100 miles, 120 each way. Next day you drive to Columbia and back or Columbia to Raleigh, right? Do TV and Raleigh, wrestle Raleigh? What was the organization you were working for back then? Jim Crowder group of emotions. And then you drove to, you'd run TV there. Then you drove 250 miles to Northrop, Virginia.

54:29Then you drove 150 miles to Richwood, Virginia. Then you drove 250 miles to a Renault, Virginia. Then you drove 250 miles back to Charlotte. Then you drove 250 miles down to Savannah, Georgia or Charleston or go to the Greensboro to 110 miles each way, right? And then started all over the next week. Did you have a place you lived? No, I had a home. Well, I was there at night, but I left to stay. I kept it morning at home and train at like seven o 'clock. Take my dollar to school or whatever and then come back and train and then have lunch and take off. And these shows, I know. That's when I was working there when I became the World Champion.

55:25I was like, I could be like the longest week I ever had. I was in Sydney. Sydney to Auckland, Zealand. Auckland, Zealand to St. Louis, St. Louis to Atlanta and Atlanta back to Tokyo in seven days. Wow. Yeah. That was, that was, and that was our matches. That was crazy. The early days when you first got started. So you get into it and are you doing like 100 sea places, 200 sea places? Well, no, we're a big arena now, but I was so far in the early days. We had Winnipeg with Salahut, a Denver, we'd fly to Denver actually. Chicago with Salahut, the amphitheater and Chicago with Salahut. But I was so far down the car.

56:09I was making like $150 dollars a night. Wow. We drove to Winnipeg. That was 500 each way. It's all of the miles right there and then getting to the car, noon and drive the Springfield on the way to 380. And how many of these kind of small organizations existed back then that would just ship you all around the country? Well, there was the Florida territory, Georgia's territory, the Carolina which took in North and South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia. There was Dallas territory, there was San Antonio territory, there was Paul Bosch in Houston, there was Tokyo, Ohio. That was Georgia's chapter wrestling.

56:56All Portland and then the Calgary and Calgary, and New Zealand, Australia and Japan. And it was all very separated and they all respected. No, I spent a lot of time Puerto Rico too. And Vince McMahon was the one that just went in and started literally just buying them up slowly and strategically. Even though his father, USA cable TV, he made a deal with his dad where he got the company and his dad's like, all right, just let the other territories be kind of, all right. And he's like, sure dad, totally. And then he made it the biggest, craziest billion, multi billion dollar form of entertainment, a total different thing that people had.

57:41And you know, it was like down South, like they were filling big venues in the early 70s because that was that. It was like a monster truck event, like they knew about it. Like you'd see a billboard. Oh, wow, we can go to the arena and see a wrestling match. But it was Vince that bought everything and took all the best characters and made them go against each other. When we were normally they wouldn't even get to do that. You know, you know, Endeavor just bought the WWE. Yes. Yeah, okay. Yeah, Endeavor will on the UFC. Yeah, yeah, they just bought it. How did they got to work out? Well, they're smart.

58:11They know how to promote things. You know, hopefully it'll just get even bigger. Yeah. I would think so too. I just can't see Vince taking any orders. Yeah, I know. I'm going to be, I'll be a strange one for me as someone tried to tell Vince that. Is that what's going to happen? I don't know. I don't know. We don't know. I doubt it. They all seem so smart. I think that keeping them separate but equal. Like I think you give Dana full control there. I don't think they overlap. Right. I think it's just owned by the same company but the way they've treated the UFC, they're very smart. And WME just said to Dana, why you know what you're doing?

58:48Run this. You know to run this. Yeah. I'm sure they'll do the same thing. Oh, great. I think so. I hope you're not. Right. Who the fuck knows more about wrestling than that guy? Right. Nobody. Yeah. I just did. Can you give us some. When he was getting involved in scandals and there was like girls who had paid off. Yeah. I just wanted to say, duh. Yeah. Like duh. You got an 80 year old savage. Yeah. Just building a fucking gladiator. Yeah. She think he fucks. What do you think? What do you think Vince McMahon is doing that just for fucking he -he's and ha -ha's? Right. No, of course he's got some flusies on the side.

59:23He's my hero. Really? I just an animal. I judge people how they treat me and he has treated me like, like, like, he's never I've never had anyone treat me with more respect ever in this business. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah, he's a great guy. I got - I don't care what he does. Before he's my hero. There was really no one of that caliber. No. Right. There's no one that put together an organization because of the WWE. No. No. And he's - What a vision. He's got balls because of fucking Dallas, Texas. I mean, he's not - he's not easy intimidated. Because, you know, when you're talking about your early days, you're going to these places.

1:00:01And, you know, the local people know, but it's kind of obscure nationwide. For some of it to take wrestling that was, you know, there was always small shows on television. But to turn to something like the WWF, to have that vision, to be able to pull something like that off pretty wild. The most watched cable television program for, I think, like, 28 years or something like that. The most watched thing on - We get it. 30th anniversary. Yeah. 30 years. Wow. It's a record every Monday. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. On a Monday. Try to imitate that success with other organizations. But you really need a Vince McMahon.

1:00:35Yeah. You do need a Kingpin. A long -term storyteller that sees things for weeks ahead. Like what you do tonight, he would - He's still from what I understand. I read recently. He changed the script on a Monday night, right, before the whole taping changed all the things around. Everybody's panicking. Like, oh, wow. He's changing all this stuff. But it's like for a reason. If something's happening, it's like how you could have planned your matches. You could do an act in stand -up comedy right down the barrel, but being present, you know, listening to the crowd and feeling the stuff, and that's what he does.

1:01:11Yeah. He just spends all his time, so invested, time -wise, and mentally. I mean, to me, he's sharp as a tack. He just - He had a chance to go a little break from it. You know, but it gave him a chance to look at the product and then come back at it and fix what he thought was right or wrong. One of my things, and to me, he's entitled to do that. Sure. He owns it. I mean, he built it. Yeah. He's doing whatever the fuck he wants. You know, one of the things that I really admired was one - There was this one moment where he ran into the ring, and he kind of like dove it in the ring in a funny way, and hit his thigh on the side of the ring and blew out its quad.

1:01:54To both. Both. Same time. Yeah. And he was supposed to be there being a leader and telling - We thought he had a heart attack, a stroke. We're sitting there watching the gun. He tore him both at the same time. That is so - If he's seeing him find that. Oh, it's so crazy. Because the guy must be in fucking agony. Yeah. And he's still like present. Well, he comes running out. And he's supposed to be fixing this situation. You goddamn idiots. You don't know how to run a show. He's mad at both referees because they tied. So he's supposed to be the leader of this all right now. And then boom. Now he can't stand up.

1:02:29I mean, how does - It doesn't even make sense how he blew them out like that. So he's sitting there and he's still in character. Well, he can't even fucking walk. And everybody else goes along with it. You realize something's wrong. So how do they realize like why he was sitting there? They don't. They're just improvising. And he doesn't have enough time to tell him that he blew his quads. But what really is happening there is he's been in gorilla position for the pay -per -view for three hours. So he's been sitting in the back with headphones on hitting a button, communicating to referees, communicating to camera guys, communicating to everything, making the entire production everything.

1:03:02And then they - This thing wasn't actually supposed to go like that. They literally, at the end of that royal rumble, the two final people literally tied. One, I mean, if they did it a thousand times, they wouldn't be able to land how they landed. They literally land at the same time. Never had, right? It's just one in a billion. So the refs don't know what to do at all because they're watching the replay and they're literally tied. And they tie, no matter what angle you watch it from, it's a blatant. Again, they could have done it a thousand times and they wouldn't have timed it like this. So Vince improvising has to get up out of this chair that he's been sitting in for hours.

1:03:40And he's like, okay, I'll go yell at them and tell them to restart it or whatever. But he's been sitting, controlling everything. So all the blood, here's how it happened, is all the blood is in his fucking brain. And now he's like, aw, I'm gonna fix this. When he's coming down that ramp, throwing his jacket, there's nothing, he hasn't moved his legs in three hours. So that's how it happened. But he'll sit there and he'll wear the annuncers out because he's talking to them in their heads that is their column. He used to do some b****. We don't say pro wrestling anymore. Sports entertainment. Non -stop messing with the common taste.

1:04:23Oh, I was unbelievable. No, it's entertainment, man. Sitting there watching the influence. He's having a guy bring him a Morton steak. He's eating a steak with Morton's. Drinkin a protein drink in a hollering at the non -sus. It's the greatest thing you've ever seen. It's controlling everything. Did you ever have a match with the engine? You did it like, it's like, Earth's light Earth's. When you walk back into the curtain, I've had a few of these my day. He said, give me one time. 80's heels don't draw. God damn it. I don't want to hear anymore that kiss dealing wheeling dealing shit.

1:05:09He told you, I don't want to hear anymore that kiss dealing wheeling dealing shit. Yeah, yeah. He goes another time with the greatest derailleur. I've got so many good ones about him. He goes, who taught you to take that slam off the top rope? I went, Arley Rays. He goes, Arley Rays, taught you that? Okay. Nobody's good to Arley, right? Arley would have been the king of the UFC by the way. He was alive with no training. You have no idea. No idea how to talk. What do you look like? Show me a picture. I'd get to Arley Rays, unbelievable. Jamie will show me a picture. Old school. No, listen, he's in a car wreck at 19, kills his wife.

1:05:54Almost lost his left arm right. So he's been in pro wrestling since he was 13. Okay, look at him. So they put a metal rod, this thick, this thick from here to here to save his arm.

1:06:15Joe, my name's Arley Rays. You got a problem with that. You would have been a metal rod. I've seen him, I mean, in headbunch, I mean, bites you, I've seen him pull guys hair over his head. He would have been a king if he was a big guy. I mean, there's no rule of boy -a -be. Yeah, look at him. That looks like a man from another era. Yeah, he was. He would be in business at age 13. He was in the business at 13. When did pro wrestling really start touring? We've had some really tough guys over the years. Oh, I imagine. I don't mean, you know, you know, you have to see his tough as there are still rules.

1:07:01Well, look at Brock Lesnar. I'm talking about real tough. Brock Lesnar had very little MMA experience because he had a heavyweight champion and beat Brandy Cotor. Yeah, Brock is our version of Harley race today. But the difference is Brock wouldn't bite your nose off. I don't think he has it in him. And Brock wouldn't pull your eye out. Pull your eye out. Yeah, this guy hardly, many times. Simple, boom. He pulled guys eyes out. Yeah, I've seen it twice. But they got blinded, you mean? Well, they lost their eye. I was hanging by a string. I don't know what happened to it. This is back in the 70s.

1:07:39Jesus Christ. You know, how cool is, right? You know how cool is, right? Oh, yeah. That's a scary guy. How cool is it? It's like, how cool is it? It barks in his nose off. And to lead a little while. Yeah, like off. We've had some really tough guys in the business. So let's go before we get to the nose. Let's go back to the eyes. So you've seen more than one guy get his eyeball pulled out of his head? I've never seen him pull on and fall on the ground. He's hanging out of his head. Oh, yeah. He's seen it three times. Holy fuck. Do you ever see those guys again? No, they were wrestlers. They were fans in the bar starting to fight.

1:08:22Oh. People were wrestlers. They were guys that thought they were tough. Harley used to go, I guess, to go. I have to do the smokey thinking. We'd go out and do a bar like in Fort Worth. This is his favorite. I said, Harley, look at all the women in here, man. He's packed. He's girls and cowboy boots and jeans. And he said, he said, I'm going to play pool. Harley, please. Just don't have a drink. I'm not. He'd go with her. So, you know, popular pool can be in those western bars, right? There's guys with 10 quarters. The quarter next guy right now is a playwright. They're all standing in there. 20 people are on.

1:09:01Take the QL of the wall, chalk it up. Knock all the quarters off. Oh, shit. Next. Anybody got a problem? Just picking a... He loved being the world champion. Jesus Christ. Oh, you were the different experience, man. You would have loved him, Joey. He could tell you the stuff. There he is right there with... There's a hot cool brother. We call him the human -vigomatic. Yeah. That's considered by many to be the scariest guy. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's not in short leash now. He's not allowed. His wife doesn't let him out of the house. I'm looking at him. His wife doesn't let him out of the house. Well, not...

1:09:51I mean, he had so many losses. He's bad, man. So, I tell you, we're in Charleston, South Carolina. And a bar called... I can't remember. It's in the late 80s or early 90s. And so, our crew gets a trick in Jack right. And he goes... So he goes and asks us to grill the dance. He just cuts in the guy. So the guy comes back and cuts in. How could he do that? Does he know about... Does he know the chief? I could go back or definitely get... His kids would go to grill again, right? So, it's close in time. They call the jukebox and go to the... So this manager goes... Last call on the post. Last call.

1:10:41So I ordered a bunch for the last call. And I could instead of drinking... Here he is. He was eating it right. And this guy... Just normal sized guy, maybe five, nine, but maybe 160 pounds. He goes up to... He goes... And poking him on the chest. Hey, you. I told you out.

1:11:06We called the goosel. He put the guy to sleep. He's grabbing him by the neck. He hit him with the... That thing in his eye here. And he just dropped it around. He had cut in the goosel. Oh, he don't want to get him drunk. God damn. I don't know if that guy can smell what the rock is cooking though. You can help yourself, Steve. There was some really tough guys. But how cool is it? He's the kindest, weirdest guy in the world. Well, it's the Jack Daniels. Right. And also back then, not only are these guys coming in hot after doing a sold out arena in extreme hot... Why do guys want to give a guy like, do you look at him?

1:11:55Who wants to give him a shit? Why would anybody... Here's some dumb motherfuckers. Exactly. And they're drunk. And if they say anything, even if what you do is an even real bad guy, they're all back then. Yeah, the guys were all drunk. Back then before they admitted that it was entertainment, like back then, they were, I mean, a whole different era. Very very... We'd walk in and all the girls that leave the guys and come hang out with 10 of us. Of course, they all got pissed off. They start running their mouths. And then they get their ass kicked. But back then, it's not like, now you can't do anything.

1:12:31We know the cops are what even came on stuff like that. They just threw you out, you know? Right. If there were cell phone videos back then, there would be thousands and thousands and thousands of cell phone videos of them beating people's asses around the kind of world. How often did you guys get into bar fights? Oh, on a seven -day week, probably twice a week. Not me, but no, but I've seen bar fights. Right, right, right. At least it is dependent on what tolerance. But if we're an overnight town, it's funny. It's usually the smaller towns that the local guys was to be the tough guy. Yeah, of course.

1:13:06They mean the small town. And then we come and all the girls are the small town. Of course, the local tough guy. And of course, he gets his ass whipped, murdered. What a fucking check -in. Yeah, from guys that are in seven -day a week, one hour match, shape, working out for two hours every day. No, but with Harley, it was at left hand.

1:13:32What did you say about wrestling? You, I'm talking to you. You saw what the cigarette was at the end. The guy looking at the cigarette, right? I said it was fake. Wow. I mean, broken jaw, broken nose. I mean, and that was before, after followed by two headbutts, unbelievable, different time now. Twice a week. You would see shit like that. And a seven -day week? Oh, yeah. For sure. There's something about that. There's something about that. Especially in Texas. The cobweights down here think they're tough, you know? Or that in old days did. Yeah. The real cobweights, yeah. I'm sure. Well, they probably were tough.

1:14:17Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were. But I meant, you know, rodeo riders and all that. Yeah. Now, I'm taking nothing away from them. Right. It is, we're hardly raised tough. There's something. There's Jack Mulligan tough, or Hakuro. Right. Some of the guys were just the enemies. Yeah, I'm sure. There's something so romantic about that. We'll just travel around getting hammered every night, peeping the fuck away. People in bars, going back to the green. That would make an amazing fucking movie. Yeah. The insanity of that life. Again, it's like you live something that's just not going to ever be available to young guys again.

1:14:49You can't live that way. No. No, and it's probably better. It's actually better. Yeah, probably. It's probably as much easier and much more controlled environment. Yeah, but to us to hear these stories, it's like I'm so glad you live that life. Yeah. Well, we're the last of a day in breed. And it's much healthier too. I mean, just, man, we were, it was just a very tough thing. It's still very insensitive business. It's hard. How did guys get by with pain? Did someone prescribe them pills? Did they find them on their own? They got them on their own. Got them illegally. There's always been a way back.

1:15:27There's always been a way to get, um, device, um, I guess, Viking over over to that I've been overtaken myself. You never had to take any of that stuff? The only thing I've ever taken is annex. Really? And now the edibles have gotten me off of the annex. Wow. I mean, when they came in, marijuana business, you know. Are you really? Well, you got brought up with stuff to show you? Oh, no, shit. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that's all I finally got here. I was wondering what's in the box. Look at all my stuff here, man. Ah! Oh, shit. Hey. Woochews. Woochews. Oh, my goodness. Look at this. The nervous is looking at them.

1:16:03Yeah. Oh, you got a drink? Yeah. How many milligrams is in the drink? That's just the energy drink. Oh, okay. Energy? I need energy in front of this. They're doing a... What? They're doing a... A red top is function. The thing with cannabis, they're going to call it Rick Thick. Hey, man, this is fucking tasty. Is it good? Is it good? Mushroom blended, says? Yeah. What's in here? I don't know. Be careful. We can't fully read the ingredients. Sparkling mushroom elixir. All right. How cool. And what's that? The pre -roins. Nice. We need a spark one on the brick fire. Let's do it. High flying. Yeah.

1:16:47Let us see him riding. I'm only having one here with you, man. Okay. That stuff is strong. That's the infused mouth strong. Yeah. It smells like that stuff that Ron White had that put everybody into a coma. Yeah. It does me. Mike and Smoker look crazy.

1:17:07Yeah, Mike goes hard.

1:17:12Ron White had this joint. Tony was there. Ron White had this. Well, they gave it to me in LA. It's all infused. It's got that with the THC crystals. Mike, you can keep that shed. I'm like, I'm not fucking with that. And then everybody. Remember Brian Simpson was just sitting there. And we're like, Brian, you okay? He's like, what the fuck was in that riefer? Yeah, I got to give Chad Bryansteen Aristotle and Adam Wilk, the shout out, man. Another guy's gonna put me into business. When did you get involved in the canvas business? Six -month -to -go Rick Flair drip. Nice. Yeah. How's it taste? You good?

1:17:48It's good stuff, bad. It crosses off my bucket list. Yeah. The first time I got to high with Mike Tyson, I'm like, okay, I'm good. Yeah. I got to high -tech. I like it really good. I got to high with Snoop Dogg, Wiz Khalifa, Be Real, all the stoneers. All legit guys. Oh geez. We missed Wiz last night. We were at 420 and get in Missouri. Wiz isn't fucking a man. He's an amazing shit. Ever see that guy's workout routine? Wiz Khalifa got really into Moitai. Like to the point where I think he was thinking about taking a fight. He's a really good man. Yeah. It's into fucking incredible shape. He's fully ripped.

1:18:24Ever see Wiz Khalifa with a shirt off? Shredded. Yeah. Dude, he looks like a UFC fighter. Like no bullshit. It's a bit like Jalen Turner. Oh wow. Yeah, he works out at Unbroken. Wow. That big place in LA. Look at him now. Yeah, you know what? Snoop isn't really good shape too. Snoop's in very good shape. Snoop's in, excuse me, Snoop can spar too. Snoop knows how to throw his hands. Like look at Wiz Khalifa. See if you can get one of him working out with a shirt off. Cause he's fucking shredded. And he's been dedicated to this for like years now. It's Jake Glazer's gym. Jake Glazer has this big gym called Unbreakable in LA.

1:19:06Wow. It's like kind of like a private gym. But like a lot of MMA fighters train there. And you know, like some serious pro athletes and celebrities.

1:19:17Look at, look at Wiz Khalifa. That's hard to do. Yeah. There we go. It's nice to see these guys getting in like seriously. Oh yeah. Come on man, look at that. Dude's a rapper and he's like training like a Moitai fighter. This is good man. What flavor is this?

1:19:40Do you know what flavor this is? I don't know what this is. This is mushroom blend, but it tastes fucking delicious. Take a sip of that. That's really good man. Strawberry banana. Ah, that's what it was here. I want you to try this. This is mine. This is spicy pineapple killcliffe. Wow. Energy drink. Yeah. See that is really good. Very good, right? You've had one of these, right? Mm -hmm. Not bad. So, you got involved in the cannabis business, but were you taking the edibles before you got involved? Yeah. But not like I do now. And were you taking it specifically because of injuries and inflammation and just you know, just to get out to Xanix?

1:20:26No, I injured. I'm a guy, like I would a miracle, but I don't hurt anywhere. Joey Diaz was telling us yesterday how hard getting off the Xanix was for him. He didn't know. He just got on him and went into charge. He tried to just jump off and he said, you're withdrawn. Yeah. You can feel it. If you miss one, you've been taking it as long as I have it. I really feel it. How long have you been taking it for? Since 89. Holy shit. Yeah. I had a real self -confidence issue. You know about that. I'm sure. You had a self -confidence issue? Huge. How is that possible? Ah, it's just different from orders.

1:21:06I've been different feelings about my position with the company and life. And that's when you start taking Xanix? Yeah, I fell apart. Wow. So it was just a career trajectory thing. No, I just, once I got to the WWE, I quit taking it. But that time I had with the WCW, this guy wanted me to cut my hair, call myself Spartacus. Oh my God. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Who's idea was that? I'm a herd. Oh my God. To think that he almost killed the... Yeah. Well, I did come here. That's how I was there. I had it in North Korea. I fell for it. But I was cracked by then. I went from being the World Champion to this guy, this guy that ran pizza huts.

1:22:00St. Louis. Ted hired, Ted just hired his friends to run the wrestling. And his friends just hired people. It's like until they hired Bobby Cox, the Braves never won. He had his next door neighbor running the race. Do you remember? And then all of a sudden the Braves became good. Bobby Cox, the manager. He just let his friends run a lot of his businesses. So this guy who doesn't, doesn't know anything about wrestling, comes to you. He pulls you inside, he'll come meeting and tells you this. Yeah, he says, yeah, I want to change your number. I'll cut your hair and play a spartan cause put a earring in your ear.

1:22:35So what do you say to this? I was in shock. I went home and had an anxiety. I didn't know what an anxiety was. And I had one. Wow. Isn't that crazy that just some fucking idiot can ruin your life like that? Wow. And like with that you drop, I'm sure the suggestion was to drop everything that you had at that point, except for your physical moves in the ring. But like your promo. No, no, nothing about that. Just the name. He just wanted just a brick for that end of the year. We're obviously going to be now. What year was this?

1:23:16Well, I mean, 90, 91. Jesus Christ. I left, I finally left. And you're two years away from that moment. Yeah. Wow. I just had some of the best matches in my career in 89 with steamboat member Shai Toner. So this freaks you out. And then how does the Xanic start? You go to a doctor? Like how do you get on that? Believe it or not, my wife gave it to me. And I thought about over the years I thought about it. Was it how was she taking Xanic for a lot of people to that show? Yeah. And I didn't know what I thought. She was sitting in a stairway case in a big house. We had it. I was going, God. I was just lost.

1:24:02And she goes, what are you doing? I'm just feeling anxious. But that's even a word, right? And that's the word for it. She had to take this. I took it. It felt normal. So what is that? She has Xanic. And I never even thought to ask her where it was. Why is she taking it? Yeah, there's so many people on that set. They were explaining to me last night. They were saying that, you know, if you got all these problems and stress and all these things are fucking when you take it, it just melts away. Yeah. It doesn't melt away, but it just gives you time to sleep. I just take it to sleep with it. But I don't need more.

1:24:44I got off completely. You then I got back on. And now that I've been with Chad, Mike, and all that, they're accessible to me a whole time. Plus my own line, we dropped my own line in Florida and on the RicFloor drip. So how long did it take you to get off the Xanic? And how'd you do it? I started taking a quarter of it from the 2 milligram bar, right? To the quarter of it and replaced it with a quarter of a Wuchu. I'm not a Wuchu, but Mike bite. The edible of my cas. Then boom. And then boom. It took me over a month. But I finally got it. We're just gone. I woke up with no side effects. And by that, the edibles will make you sleep good.

1:25:28Yeah. For sure. So you were taking it, like, how much were you taking a day when you had it? Xanic. It only took you a month, you're off of it. Because I know a lot of like Joey took him six months. No, I just took. I took. I just took me a month. Maybe five weeks. I think one, one, two milligram bar at night to sleep. I did. And did that for a little while. I did it for, for made in nine. Oh, so that was what, it was just a sleep. Just a sleep. Yeah, I don't take it during the day. Oh. Yeah, but that would last me enough. And then when I had bad anxiety, I might have taken something during the day a couple of times.

1:26:07But, um, I mean, I've gotten a ring in at the rest of the match, where I couldn't feel my hands for my anxiety. Really? Yeah, was that bad? That's so crazy because if anybody saw you and saw your persona, they would never imagine a million years that confidence is ever a problem. Well, you know, they have shows like this where you can be honest about yourself. I'm not perfect. I took Xanic's. But I lost myself confidence twice, really bad in life. Well, it's great that you're confident enough and honest enough to tell people about that. Because I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that would imagine that a guy like you never feels any self -doubt.

1:26:43Oh, no, I felt a lot of self -doubt. And then, I mean, I've had a lot of help coming back. Vince has always been in their form. Like, see what the hell is wrong with you? I mean, hunger was there, hunger. And say, the only one who doesn't know Rick Flare is you. I know when you lose it, it's hard to get it back once you lose the self -confidence. Yeah, I can imagine. How, when, what year do you retire? I officially retired in 2008. I should have stayed retired. But I was paying an Alamoney to three different women. So I had to go back to work. Joe, I'm a transgender, Joe. I'm a transgender.

1:27:24Two million dollars an Alamoney and two million dollars an attorney fees. Oh, Jesus. Wow. And a million and a half and penalty an interest. Really? Oh, yeah, easy. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. We're all champion. Oh, my God. The people could learn from that, too. Yeah, I finally, we got to rebate. That's 74 this year. I'm getting to rebate. You still paying Alamoney? No, no, getting to rebate from the government. Oh, really? For overpaying. But finally, how long do you have to pay Alamoney for? Well, I started paying it. Let me see. I paid my first wife. I had to pay $2 ,500 a month. That's been from 81 to 83.

1:28:19And I bought her out because she met somebody. My second wife, 17 ,000 for two years, 16 ,000 for two years, 12 ,000 for two years, and 10 ,000 for two years. Was that up to 980 ,000? Then I had two other wives just in and out of the door, but that's another 500.

1:28:53I am the world champion. That many women. I know, God. It's kind of amazing. Thank God for the win. It's kind of amazing. You only have that many ex -wives. Yeah. Really? Thank God. I was getting the record. I was getting the record for being married the most. Some guy that's still on X -S. Yeah. Still old. I mean, it goes with the story. I mean, no one would expect anything less. That's what everybody would want to hear from a guy like you. That's a string of failed marriages and lots of fun. Yeah. Good Lord. When you look back on it now, thinking about when you first started out, it has to seem kind of unbelievable.

1:29:38Absolutely. Here I am making more money with cannabis than ever made in wrestling. Really? Yeah. That's wild. That's great to hear. I never made the big pitties. I was gone by the time all that came wrong. Oh, really? Yeah. That you were a huge bridge and all that right before the attitude era. What's the attitude era? That is when Stone Cold came out. The rock. And Sean, I mean, everybody. N -W -O was on WCW. You know, it was just like, you could say anything. You could do anything. People were 10 -year -olds all around the country were telling their teachers to suck it because of what we were watching on Monday nights.

1:30:24Oh, good. Stone Cold's given people the double bird and then stunning them and throwing cans of beer around. And fucking pouring beer. Is it commonly known as the attitude era? Oh, yeah. Very much so. Yeah. It's when Mike, remember, Mike, were free to match between Sean Michaels and Steve Austin. Steve Austin. That was great. There was a Monday night where the episode started and its Vince. It just comes fades from the intro music, straight to Vince in front of a black curtain or something. And he basically goes, look, we've been telling you for a long time that, you know, wrestling is me, yeehaw, ba, ba, ba, ba, and he goes, this is the end of that.

1:31:04Now, we're going to give it to you real. We're going to give it to you raw, right? That was the gist of it. And we're like, what's he talking about? And things just got a lot more funny, a lot more crazy. Yeah. This is all Vince's idea. Yes. Of course. And Stephanie Polinoff, Stephanie was great. And Hunter DX, all that. Yep. Sean Michaels is the best performance. It was just such great content every Monday, every Saturday morning, every Tuesday or Friday or whatever the other show was. And every paper view was just ridiculous. I mean, football stadium, soccer stadiums, baseball stadiums. Yeah, all the sports have copied to WB.

1:31:40Yeah. All the All Star games, the Super Bowl, all that stuff. He was doing it years ago. Isn't it funny how it just takes one guy sometimes. Just one trend setter, one due to as a vision, who turns this thing like, whatever the wrestling one got that big. Yeah, right. Unbelievable. And now, what do you think about like now that they have like celebrities do guestmasks like Floyd Mayweather and Logan Paul? Logan Paul actually does some wild shit. Yeah, he's really good. He does some wild shit. He really does. Jumping off the top ropes and slamming into each other and then I'm like, that's some serious athletic.

1:32:17Yeah, I tell them, they're both kids that have tough. Very tough. Yeah. Yeah. Taking nothing away from them. No. I mean, people want to take something away from them because they're YouTube people. I always tell people, watch, just forget that Jake Paul is a YouTube guy and watching box. The kid can fight. 100%. Yeah. That Tommy Fury fight really showed that. I mean, it goes to a split decision against a legit undefeated boxer. Yeah. He doesn't have to, the one thing he doesn't want to do is fight Mike. No. He wants to fight Mike, I think. Why? I don't know. I don't give a fuck of these 55. That's still Mike Tyson.

1:32:54My name makes him good shape too. Oh my God. He trains every day. He trains with Hafehl Cordero, who's a legend in MMA. He runs King's Mixed Martial Arts. And Hafehl is a fucking world renowned trainer. When you see him holding the mitts for Tyson and Tyson smashing the mitts, like Jesus. That guy can still fuck you up. He don't want to fight Mike. In this world with hormone replacement and vitamins and illegal, he does all this like electrical muscular stimulation recovery stuff. Like when they were training Mike for that Roy Jones fight, like they were using state of the art science. Like I don't give a fuck if you think he's 55 years old.

1:33:34That guy will hurt you. If Jake Paul's on the other side of the ring and he sees Mike Tyson just fucking Bob and we even, he's going to have a recognition. He's going to look over and go, oh my God, that's really Mike Tyson. Look at this. Oh yeah. Fuck that. Dude, I'm talking. You make it. It's still a 55 and it think and at 55, the power is the last thing to go. But the thing is the speed is still there. He's fucking terrifying. And I don't know what he did with, look at that seriously. I don't know what he did with Roy Jones Jr. But in my mind, it looked like they made some sort of an agreement where Mike wasn't going to punch him in the face.

1:34:11Because like most of the hits that he hit him with, it was a jab or something like that. It was too hotty. Yeah. It probably made some sort of, right as they be fighting. Well Roy looked really good against, uh, Pettis. Yeah. I know that Roy's been, he's been hit a lot. He has. He certainly has. Yeah. He needs to just calm that down as, as does the Vander. Yeah. Well, I think he just still loves it though. Yeah. That's the thing. Don't we all? He had a boxing match with Anthony Pettis and it was a very close match and he lost a split decision. I thought he actually won the fight, but it was a very good fight.

1:34:44And you know, Anthony Pettis is a legit fighter, legit MMA fighter. I mean, it's not the, it's the first time he's ever a boxer guy like that. But for Roy to be able to do that and fight eight rounds, 24 years old, he still loves to compete. I know. I mean, the guy was, when Roy's time when he was the champ, he was a fucking assassin. Oh, no, no, no. Oh my God. He's got one left arm. Have you ever seen his left bicep? It's like twice the size of his right. Yeah. Because he was always throwing nasty hooks. So it's like his style was like a lot of left hooks and not even a lot of jabs. Yeah. So he has like one bicep that's twice the size of the other one.

1:35:20Yeah. Like he flexes on you. Look at it. That's good. Yeah. That's cool. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Roy and his prime was something really special. His speed and his timing and everything. I mean, it's hard to see a guy like that fight way past his prime. Look at him there. Like Jesus Christ. Look at that bicep. Look at his deltoids. Yeah. No, he was shredded. When he was the champ, he was on top of it. I mean, he was without a doubt in his prime one of the greatest of all time. Oh, I have a cool. So much fun to watch. Oh my God. There were assassinations. He was like somewhere entertainment wise.

1:35:56He was somewhere between like Prince House seam not met in like Mayweather. Right. He was like as silly. Yeah. But so technical. Oh my God. He had a complete different style. Nobody knew what to do with him. We would leap in with left hooks and just starch people. He was so fast, man. People forgot. But I see your point. Like this, like a van der bothers me. When I saw a van der, he boxed V -torbeilfer and got knocked out in the first round. I'm like, he does not need to be known as he's 60 years old. This is crazy. Yeah. Is there a concussion that stands out to you as the hardest your bell ever got wrong?

1:36:32Is there a moment or something? I know to my knowledge I've never had what I'm sure I have. What? Oh my God. No, no, no. I'm sure I have. But I don't know. But I mean, you should. There should have been some time in all of these hours. Oh my God. I've been knocked out. But I did. They backed down when I'm talking about in the 80s and that when we used to use the chairs and that. Right. But it's funny. If you don't know about it, you know, if you have an awareness which we all have an awareness now, then feel something. You think, well, maybe I have a concussion. Yeah. You know, back then the only people that got concussions were football players.

1:37:07God forbid a wrestler couldn't get a concussion. So you just didn't even think of it. I didn't think of it. No. You know, with me and I'm so many other guys, but with me, I just. I didn't even get stitches. I just taped up. You know, the guys didn't need stitches. I said, when they finally got the staple gun, I said put the staples in them. And I'm not going to say when they finally got the staple gun. This is all mind boggling.

1:37:36The thing that surprised me the most is the note that you were able to avoid pain pills and that entire addiction the entire time. With all the physical stuff, like, did you have a natural hangover cure or something too? Because mixing with the night, there has to be something. You're like a medical anomaly. Yeah. Yeah, I can't believe you never had to take pain pills. I never know. No, it's a matter of fact, whenever. Look at this. Yeah, there's a new thing that once you get hurt and still hurts, just took a stitch a lot an hour ago. I got to look at this. No, wait.

1:38:19No, wait. No, wait. I have taken two sludge hammer shots. Two. I've taken your two best sludge hammer shots. Jesus Christ, dude. Now, now, wherever you are, come out here and let's see what the nature boy has got for you. Crowd goes wild. You can't hurt me. Wow. I'm crushing their blade. It hit my life need. It's my sludge, Eric. I don't want you bad. I want you bad. You're covered in your own blood.

1:39:13Wow. Look at this young buck. That's the nature boy. It's never made. They're going out that name right there. Remember what you asked for? You just got it. How did you get that slice in your forehead? He's cut it. Ridgably. How many times do you think you've done that over the course of your career? Oh, God. I used it every night. It's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and thousands and thousands and thousands. Cutting yourself, but me, why you don't remember, scars on your head? You know what? Because I cut this way. I didn't cut the guys with the basketball or no. You cut sideways. Yeah, I cut the alley.

1:39:51Because a lot of the bad guys are like Abdul and that. But Hunter gave me a great boost of self -confidence too. We've been to the infancy. They constantly kept me going. And that's really, I've made a big difference in my life. If my career ended at WCW, I wouldn't have the legacy that I have now. And I wouldn't be here with you. So I'm thankful to Hunter, Vince, all those guys. The WWE for bringing me back in 2001. The steel chair matches. That's what I want to talk about because how does someone take a steel chair to the head? There's no way to do that and not get fucked up. You just got fucked up.

1:40:32We try to hit as a glancing. You know what I mean? For me, as long as the guys hitting me like this, I'm fine. I don't want it on top of the head. Hit me in the forehead. You know what I mean? That can take that all day long. So I'd rather be, if I ever seen Brock Lesnar hit the guys with the chairs. Yes. I'd rather be hit in the head with a chair by Brock and on the back. Brock Lesnar, those metal chairs on the back, rather than the way Brock does it, man. He's never hit me with one. I had the first time I had to wrestle Brock with so many dickers. I go, look at Brock. It's 56, okay? It's a 6 .22, whatever we are.

1:41:21L5. Easy, brother. Yeah, here's Brock Lesnar with the steel chair. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Bro, he's fucking slamming these chairs. No, they're brothers. Look at the chair. Oh, my God, dude. There's no way to not get hurt. Absolutely. You walk back into the locker room. You're going, shit. But you can hit him too hard. He didn't care. Brock's a Harley race, man. Yeah. I have a question. You once cut a promo when you went, when you were back in WCW and NWO and all that was happening and you start taking off your Rolex and your clothes and your threatening Eric Bischoff. And at one point, you take out your, he's tearing up 100 dollar bills.

1:42:13He's trying to get the owner of the WCW out. You're going to come out of your handcuffs himself to the thing. Another, I mean, it is so funny. It's epic. For some reason, you do an elbow drop on nothing at one point, which is. My goodness, starting to. I'm just how I try to do jackass. I've come to me from head to toe, have been and I always will be. Use jackass. I'm picking all of his clothes here. Sure. Two, two, five. That's me. I've lived the life of a king because the people have allowed me to.

1:43:03It gets better and better. Deep at one point. Is it a sign? I will sign. My house, my cars, whatever money I have, I'll sign it over to you. I will give you the satisfaction of saying you're raped the nature boy. If you have the you know what to walk the aisle here tonight, one more time. No way. You got to see a drop in elbow for no reason. Raise it up. The one stimulation. I think it's back. I think it's back. I think it's back. I think it's back. I think it's back. I think it's back. Go away.

1:44:16Bishop. You turn the camera off and I'll be naked. We're gonna come back. I'm sorry. He handcuffs himself to the fucking road. At one point you're ripping up 100 dollar bills and you take off Gucci shoes and you throw them into the crowd. Did you ever get those back? No. I always wonder after I grew up older and learned about like production and stuff, I'm like, oh, there must have been an assistant over there. They'd eat through it at because there's no way. You just throw it, launches it into the Jesus Christ. $2 ,000 shoe. Oh, here he goes. This is it. Watch this. He's about to drop an elbow.

1:45:03There's nobody there.

1:45:08I don't even call through. You're alive. There's something wrong with me. When you're out there doing this, do you have any plan? No. Nothing. No. Just free ball and the whole thing. Yeah. Do you know you're gonna take your clothes off? I had a plan but I wasn't sure. I didn't run it by anybody because I never go for it. Where? How do you do? What was your method of madness to that? Like that part, the cutting promo part of Ric Flair. You'd have a loose plan and you just let it rip? Or did you have any practice or anything? Like, what would you do? No, I just thought about it. Well, we had been at La Jima lawsuit.

1:45:51La Jima, La Jima, La Jima, they don't like each other to this day. I mean, we've agreed to agree. But I was pushed down so far in the company that like the NWO was a featured actor, which I didn't have a problem with, but don't abuse me, right? So I was taking my son to the A .U. Nationals in Detroit. I'd asked the lawyer for the time of not missing in nitro, missing thunders. The second they were showing nobody went to, right? Right. And he sued me. And they walked in front of about 85 people and said it was going to break me. So I said, exactly the vice president of Turner, going to break me, ruin my family, destroy me, and all that.

1:46:35And so I could have sued. I would have been a multi -millionaire once then I wouldn't have been able to wrestle again. Right. So after I waited for I sat home for a year, costing me a million dollars, and I said, fuck it, I'll go back. Because they wouldn't give me a release. And they gave me my check each week, but the minute I cashed the check, then I would be admitting that I worked for them again. So just another screw job, then he ended up bankrupting the company anyway. Right. Or not he, the combination of things. Right. Exactly. These going up against Vince McMahon. Well, they thought they were going to put Vince out of business, that's where they made the biggest mistake.

1:47:15Right. Vince is a very smart guy. Hence the attitude era. Yeah. They had 83 weeks, that's it. Right. Amazing. But you're, I guess what I'm asking is like, did you ever do any other forms of entertainment before? Like how are you able to cut promos like that? I never thought about it on the road. Wow. You know listening to music? When you look at me, don't like somebody, it's not hard to say something about them. Right. Yeah, but it's not just saying something about them, it's taking all your clothes off, handcuffing yourself to the road. I'm just trying to get everybody attention. Clearly it worked.

1:48:02But it's so interesting how it becomes like, almost like a stand -up act. Like you figure out how to do it, from doing it a lot. Yeah. Well, I mean, that was different. I mean, for me, the two ways to give people mad, or the other one, the two ways to give people mad in our business, it's just piece of damn good at it, and that you can say it, which I was at the time, and there's no, you know, just not care. Or you can do it because you're trying to gain that, to get in that position, trying to be that number one guy, trying to be something different. So I was always good at it. I could kind of throw them, I got it tomorrow, but I can't rustle anymore, I could, but the last time I tried that, we did good business, but I didn't hydrate.

1:48:55We would add a helmet match, but I got dehydrated. So like, how old were you when you stopped wrestling entirely? I had a match last summer. Whoa. Yeah. 73. Wow. We did 8 ,000 people in Nashville. Who'd you have a match with? It was me and my son -in -law, Andrade, against Jay lethal and Jeff Sherrett. And you were 73. She's, what's the record? Who's the oldest guy that's ever wrestled? Jay Lullaby, and Jerry just got real sick though. Jerry wrestled lately. Not last six months, Jerry got real sick. Oh, no. Yeah. Jerry had, we thought it was a stroke, but it was actually a heart attack. So, and Jerry doesn't drink or do any drugs whatsoever.

1:49:46Wow. Time gets you eventually. Especially when you think about all the punishment that you do to your body. Who knows what the fuck is going on after decades of that. It's crazy. It's crazy that you were so durable. You were able to do it for so long. I mean, it has to have a lot to do with that strength and conditioning routine that you put yourself through. Yeah, I'm sure we have the work out. Especially with my knees and the freestquatch all those years. 500 freestquatch every day for 10 years. I can't believe you don't have any knee problems. I think it's because of the freestquatch. So, I don't have my hips and all that.

1:50:22I'm in a good place. We would do excessive 100. No, I would challenge myself. The hardest thing I ever did, I would do a set of 100. And then I would say one day, we go do 500 without stopping. So, I always try to do it in less than 15 minutes. I think my best for like, because I used to, when you're by yourself right, or it's always playing games for yourself to see what you can do better. So, I think I did 500 other good bests like 13, something like that. 13 minutes for 500 body weight. Nonstop. That's incredible. And then, but the big thing I did for a long time over the years, when I couldn't get to a gym in the old days, let's take a dick of cards and make the Joker's 20, right?

1:51:10And do the Joker read 20 free squats, 20 crunches, 20 push -ups. You do all that all the way through. It'll be 440 of each. I've done that in 34 minutes. Jesus, that's the sum of bits. That's pretty hard. The push -ups. By the time, even some, even two but it's 440 push -ups, wherever it is. It's amazing how the old time wrestlers, like as like Carl Godd, you know, that wound up training a lot of MMA fighters and cash wrestling. They really emphasize conditioning. Oh, yeah. Like Carl Godd, you would have to go through like a year of his conditioning routine before you would teach at a wrestling.

1:51:51Oh, yeah. For sure. For a guy in the same way, all we did was burn that outdoor, it's in that barn. 30 degrees, 28 degrees, it was conditioned. Christ, I weighed 300, Ken Patera weighed 330, just got back from Munich, you know. We had to run two miles the first day. The first day, there we ran two miles in the corn field. I hadn't run a mile since I was playing fresh from football. Minnesota, right? And I have a 230 then, now I'm 310 training with Ken, right? And then the other guys, then we did 500 free squats, 250 push -ups, and 250 crunches. It took me six and a half hours. I quit. I said, fuck this.

1:52:34I called Verne, so I'm not coming back. He said, oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't go back. He came over to my house, got me, slapped me, threw me up my front yard, said, you quit. Everything you've ever done in life, you're not quitting. I'm me. Getting the fuck in car. Wow. That was Verne guy, and he was tough, man. Verne was. You ever think about if you didn't listen to him? Where you think? No, I'm glad I did it. But you couldn't convince me that. The worst thing is to blow a guy up, you know, we just can't exhaust it. You didn't get on top of it and hold you down or put a sugar on it. You know what I mean?

1:53:06That Billy Robinson was, he killed us. You know, either the Iron Cheek right? Sure. So Kais was a Olympic caliper wrestler, right? From my rant. And freestyle. And I tried to turn the guy over, right? It was different than folk style. So Billy couldn't have returned a whore. So Billy said, getting the folk style position. So he got, well, I guess, and Billy dropped his knee right here into the side. He couldn't walk for a month. So bad. Then slapped him around, no, man. We went through some crazy shit to get the business back then. Who was the first guy that hit somebody with a chair? That's what I mean.

1:53:47The steel chair thing to me is one of the most unbelievable. Because I know how many times you were doing that in a week. Like, who was the first guy to do that? I don't know. God. Yeah, I don't know that one. Nobody's ever used it quite as effectively as Brock. Brock, Brock is taking the chair shots to a new level. It was probably the first thing. Because there was steel chairs there for the crowds. It's probably been forever. Yeah, I just was very rarely. I can say Lewis, which was our home base. You couldn't even grab the rope for the air cheating. I mean, I'm Russ and Dick the Bruiser, right?

1:54:25And I go to Sam. Dick was like 56 or something. I just got became the champion. So Sam, let me just grab the rope. So Dick could put his shoulders down. Oh, no, no. This is from Wilbur's Nighters, winning with the abdominal stretch. Or Burns winning with the sleeper. None of that. But that's all. But Taylor Lewis loved it. He had never saw anything else but, you know. So why wouldn't you allow to grab the rope? Because in St. Louis, it was against the rules. And Sam ran St. Louis like everything with the rules. You know what I mean? The rope grab in pro wrestling means that you can lever. You're getting extra power, extra leverage.

1:55:11Yeah, I'm just a bit behind the referee. Behind the referee's back. Yeah. Anybody who has someone in a submission, and if you grab the rope, especially in a figure four leg lock, in fact, the other person is more hurt. The first of their shoulders down, more pressure. More pressure. And the ref stops them. It's kind of the equivalent of grabbing the octagon, fencing. But it's more entertaining. I guess. I don't know how to say it. It's more magic involved. When you first saw the UFC, did you think that if you were a young man, you would have participated in that? Well, you know, it's funny. You know, I'm really good friends with Shamrock, right?

1:55:52So I'm with Jim Brown, the football player. And the first time Gracie wrestled Shamrock was in Charlotte, or Carolina. It probably longed for you to involve. And I went and I think Gracie laying on his back. I said, this is bullshit. I'm not going back to this. I'm so glad they changed the rules because that damn hole, you know, now the guys can't do that. That's a lot more action. But watching Gracie, those guys, was that Gracie locked? That was the most boring shit in the world. No shit. That's hilarious. Watching him operate from the start. What's there to watch? I just saw Kenny last month.

1:56:29I love Ken Shamrock. He was one of the first guys to be a shit fighter. That went over to WWE. Yeah. It was WWE at the time, or WWF? WW. No, no. All of Ken. Ken's got a plus. 57 maybe? How old is Ken Shamrock? He was the world's most dangerous man, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was the first legit guy to make it over there. I think so, yeah. Yeah, that was at the time. I think he had been going back and forth. And, you know, that was like in the middle of his, kind of in his prime, right? He was a tough guy though, right? Yeah. So, uh, but he, uh, the rock versus Ken Shamrock, 1998.

1:57:16He could work. Yeah. Oh, dude, he definitely could work. He was fucking jack too. Yeah. I mean, Ken Shamrock in his day was a bad man. Well, you would say what, right? Oh, yeah. I thought so too. Oh, yeah. I mean, he was a real pioneer. What Shamrock did in those early days? I mean, when he ran the Lions Den, that was one of the big things about the Lions Den. And, um, the conditioning was fucking ruthless. You tried to break guys. Yeah. If you wanted to train in that gym, they tried to break you. It was legendary strength and conditioning routines. Yeah. Yeah. They had like, he's a real crucible.

1:57:50Yeah, they go through to become a member. Yeah, he's a real, he treats me a lot of respect. He's a real nice guy. And I feel like it could have been really different his rivalry with Gracie if Gracie wasn't in the geek, right? Oh, sure. Yeah. He had been different, but also Gracie was at another level with his Jets who was. Yeah. People just didn't understand Brazilian Jets who like those guys did. So even guys who had like good submissions, they didn't understand vulnerable positions. They didn't, and the Gis, so like everybody would grab it. Like, with Gracie, we'd get a hold of you, everybody would grab the Gis, and that would play right into his hands.

1:58:20Next thing you know, he's just pulling you on top of him and stretch your arm out. Did you think that, like, when you were a young man, if that was around, that you would have done it? No, I didn't know. I didn't consider it. I didn't. I don't know. I was already so wrapped up and wrestling. I didn't think a lot of, but I've always had a lot of respect for the people that do. Only a few guys, adventureed. CM Punk was the one who took the most chances, right? Because he didn't really have a martial arts background. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. That was bad for everybody. I knew it was going to happen.

1:58:51Yeah. I mean, I watched him hit the pads and I'm like, there's no way. Oh, yeah. There's no way. There's nothing there. Yeah, there is no, oh, I'm going to do this with all my heart. Yeah. I'm not going to, I'm not going to go there. I know, I never saw that he got killed, right? Yeah. I fucked up a couple of times. He was a kid Mickey Gal. Mickey Gal ran over him like a freight train. And then he fought, I think Mike Jackson. Mike Jackson just kind of pieced him up, but didn't stop him. But he just wasn't good enough. I mean, it's just so hard to do that in your 30s. To learn how to do MMA in your 30s when you don't really.

1:59:23We had a background, he had a background, he's going to take a leak. He had a background in pro wrestling, but he didn't really have a background in martial arts. So I mean, I admire the fact that he was willing to take the challenge. That's what I admire too. I mean, you're going to have to have a way of creating to do that anyways. Yes, for sure. And he did do it the right way. He went to a Rufus sport, which is like an elite top quality MMA gym. He trained with world class guys. It just takes so long to acquire those skills. And in certain skills with certain body types, if you don't learn how to strike when you're really young, it's very difficult.

1:59:58It's depending upon the person, some people could pick it up in their 30s. Well, a lot of guys, if they don't learn how to strike when they're young, they just don't have that speed and ability. What do you think would have happened if Brock would have started right away? He would have been a world like elite greatest of all time. If someone taught Brock Muay Thai and submission moves when he was a kid, and he went into MMA with his kind of physicality, he would have dominated. He would have dominated. What did you think of John Jones? He's bad. It's a bad man. Yeah. John's a bad man. Yeah. He's just so good.

2:00:36He just knows how to win. He murdered that kid. Yeah, just took him down straight with him quick. He's on another level from those guys. You're never going to beat John. I feel like sort of a middling guy. It takes like another world champion to put him to the test. And he's beaten so many world champions. I mean, he's beating everybody. Yeah. John, I mean, he's only had one loss in his entire career. That was a bullshit loss. It was a loss where he was destroying someone he was using 12 to 6 elbow, which should be legal anyway. It's just a remnant of the old rules. And that was against Matt Hammer.

2:01:09And he just beat the fuck out of that dude. It wasn't a loss. So no one's ever really beaten John. Think Brock could get in there with him? That would have been very interesting. Yeah. Because Brock was so fucking big. And Brock's wrestling was so good. And when that guy shot a power double, it was getting hit by a bus. He was so big. It would be interesting. But Kane Velaske and Pete Brock love Brock, you know, a couple of times. And I think John is at least at that level. But the thing about Kane was, he would hit you with a volume of striking. Like for a heavyweight, Kane Velaske had the craziest gas tank of all time.

2:01:49Kane's cardio was just off the charts. Yeah, I get that one pretty well. He came with us for a while. Yeah. That's what he did. Right. And he had that kind of weird fake MMA match with Brock over in Saudi. Yeah. Why didn't he stick with Pro Wrestling? Do you know Tony, what happened with Kane Velaske? He didn't make your progress to the Saudi world. He's a really nice guy. Yeah. He, uh, they just messed that whole thing up tremendously. It was crazy. They tried to make like a fake actual fight. Yeah. And it was just a nightmare. And it just didn't. Yeah, they put on like MMA gloves, right? Yeah.

2:02:30They tried to make it like this is the guy that beat Brock in the UFC. So he's going to come here and really put a work on him. But Brock's such a freak athlete, like so well -rounded, even though Kane's a great fighter. Yeah. It's just, you have to, you have to have a lot of, yeah, you have to be larger than life. You have to entertain. Yes. And he was more of like a just a stoic fighter. Yeah. Yeah. They were doing low leg kicks, which is again, like, you know, it's just, they ain't flying in the WWE. And it's boring. In the UFC, it's unbelievable. When you hit a crack and it's real. But you know that Kane does like crazy lucha -leaveray pro wrestling, too, where he jumps up in the air and says, there's someone's legs, flips over.

2:03:14Yeah. He can do all that shit, too. Yeah, but Rey Mystero thought him all that shit. Oh, that's who told him. Yeah, he and Rey are best friends. He's another guy that fought MMA. Didn't he? I don't think we're right. Didn't Rey have an MMA fight? I don't think we're right. Do you have a fake MMA fight? No. I don't think so. No. Why do I think he did? Oh, I know why. Because it was another guy that had a mask on. That fought Krokop in pride. They had a pro wrestler who fought with a mask on. That's why I could confuse Rey Mystero. Yeah. Who's that guy? Krokop fought some dude and head kicked him and you see the blood trickling out of his mask.

2:03:56Who was that? Oh, those Carl's Jr. Oh, yeah. So they had an actual real fight for some strange reason. And Krokop was one of the absolute scariest kickboxers of all time. And for some reason this dude agreed to have a fight with him, like an actual fight. So imagine, watch this. Boom. And look, you see the blood just dripping out of his helmet. That I'm showing again. That guy's pretty tough. Oh, my God. He was terrifying. Maricopa Krokop was a destroyer. What's he doing now? Krokop still had some fights up until I think he's retired now, but he had a bunch of kickboxing fights fairly recently.

2:04:39Had some MMA fights fairly recently. I mean, that guy's a real legend. Yeah. Wow. The crossover between MMA and UFC or UFC rather in pro wrestling is like there's a lot of guys. I know that entertained it. But really, when you think it, I mean other than Ken Shamrock going from MMA to WWE, there's going to be very few guys other than Brock. And who else was it besides Brock and CM Punk? Is there anybody else who did it? Bobby Lashley. Yeah. Bobby Lashley fought a bunch of legitimate teammates. Rhonda. Rhonda went back. Oh, he went the other way though. Yeah. She went over there. Yeah, going from pro wrestling to, uh, but he's to do.

2:05:24Two years. But he's got a real enemy fight. Yeah. Yeah, he won. Yeah. See if you can find that. I mean, he wasn't the most impressive fight, but he had a real fight. Yeah. A real legit MMA fight. Yeah. It is a great guy. I think it's great for people that, you know, are done getting beat up in the UFC to get to have a career afterwards. Rhonda and Charlotte Flair's rivalry was insane. Yeah. I mean, what about Matt Rittle? Yeah. Matt Rittle's another guy. Yeah. Went over from MMA into WWE. And thriving. Yeah. And, you know, he kind of got fucked over in MMA. You know, he got, he tested positive for weed.

2:06:03And that's how you got kicked out of the UFC, which now is Dan Severin, of course. Oh, Dan Severin. That's right. Dan Severin went over and, yeah. Well, Dan Severin did a lot of like pro wrestling matches. Before and after he did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. He forgot about Dan. Yeah. Oh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Brian Everett's about, I'm giving you a thing to do. Don for I never wrestled. Didn't he do something in Japan? No, not with us. No. No. Japan's got a whole different scene, huh? Yeah. You know, uh, I'm good friends with Josh Barnett. And Josh Barnett does a lot of commentary for pro wrestling.

2:06:36He's done a bunch of pro wrestling over in Japan. And it's like the feel of it in Japan is, is so, that's why pride got so big. The reason why pride got so big is they had guys like Takata, who was like a big pro wrestling the champion over there who fought Hicks and Gracie in a real fight. So they, they're, they're pro wrestling over there was giant. It was. Oh my god. When I was going over to the 70s, 80s. Pull that microphone up to you. Oh, when I was going over to the 70s, it was incredible. Where the two companies in all Japan, New Japan, Anoki and Baba was huge. I'm Brody and Hanson were making.

2:07:15If I was not mistaken, the 80s were making like 15 to 20, maybe 25 ,000 a week. A piece and going over there 30 weeks. Wow. 30 weeks a year. What's it like party in Japan? Party in Japan. I'm broke. I'm broke, I'm punky man, unbelievable. What's it like? Oh, Joe. Tell me. Can you sing karaoke? What was your go -to song? What would you sing over in Japan? I just sing. I just went in here and talked to the girls. No suspicious minds on the jukebox. No karaoke, the women serving the drinks. This is $100 American dollars for a beer. You're in the right place. Isn't really? It's almost $25 for a die coke in Tokyo.

2:08:09Wow. Yeah, the bars are with their expensive. That's why you got to find the sponsors. Being the world champion, I know I said someone wanted to take me out. And then there's Shinjuku. We're all the bath houses that are at the whole different story too. What's that? That's like walking a red carpet and getting a bath. With all kinds of candles are on you liquor and beautiful Japanese women. Did you ever have a night or a week or a month or something? They said to me, Flerson, you want to Korean barbecue or Shinjuku? Shinjuku please. Can I ring friends? Was there ever a time where you were with so many women having so much fun?

2:08:56Was there ever a moment where you're like, maybe I should settle down a little bit? Like this is a crazy day. No. It was not even half a million second there. That's not a yeah. Never had a waste of time having that experience. Only when the ATM, when my ATM card ran out.

2:09:16So when you would go over there, how long would you stay in Japan for? Only a week at a time. The longest I was there was for 14 days. But Japan's funness. Tokyo, the big cities are great. The small towns not so much. Actually, when I started going into the 70s, there was still a little bit of hostility. Oh, towards Marquis. In the small towns for sure. It wouldn't even let you in your restaurants at night. So I mean, all that's going on now. But that's a lot less than that. A lot less than that. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. A few things happened. Yeah. So when you would go over there to wrestle, how would that work out?

2:09:57Did you, because those guys, do they speak English? Did you just kind of like figure it out as you were wrestling? Figure it out in the referee. You kind of go back and forth. And back then, you know, now the Japanese wrestler, like there's a few of them. But the old days, those guys were all tougher than shit. I mean, there was no kid who were just going to play around with. They were all rough. They wanted to prove themselves. They wanted to climb a ladder. It was a nightmare for me. I'm not tough. I can do anything. You can beat me up. I understand. When I'm wrestling, Jumbo Sudo was an Olympian.

2:10:31What year? 82 Olympian or 80 Olympian. It was long night. German Suplexes. He was a Greco -Roller wrestler. I'm not afraid of anything. I just can't do much with those guys. I saw a bunch of videos of Japanese pro wrestling that turns into an actual fight. They thought it was a work and it turns out to be a shoot. And you're seeing a guy recognizing in the middle of the match that this is an actual fight. And they got beats. The fuck I think. Yeah, they do. I don't know what they do anymore, but they did. See if you can find some of those. Who did we, was it Barnett, the Choat of the Taurus? I think.

2:11:12But some of them are fucking absolutely brutal. Oh yeah. It's just basically like an MMA fight. The guy's soccer kick and the guy in the face and pounding on him. That's crazy. When you would go over there, if you're going to have a wrestling match with a Japanese pro wrestler, how did you know that you guys talk about it in advance? Like who is going to win or how the person? How would that work? You'd have a very few of them could speak fluent. I think they understand you, but they can't talk. I mean, I understand our language enough, but there's always a communicator who are free going back and forth.

2:11:48But you never know. I had some great matches over there and I had some. They looked okay, but they weren't good. Does that make sense? Because I couldn't hang with the guys. Because I'm a good amateur wrestler. I just couldn't hang with that wrestling high school, a stage champion and that stuff. But those kids over there, it's all they have though. You're going to make it to the big time that they're not. And then, you know, I suppose like anybody over here, you don't make it doing that. What are you going to do? So would you know a someone's ability before you got in there? Oh yeah. And the ring with them?

2:12:22I know that you knew this guy was an Olympic wrestler. Yeah. And I said, Harley with you one time. That's an embarrassing story. But they called me and said they want to switch the title. And we're not going to let them do it. And I said to them, I'm sending Harley with you to make sure they don't. So Harley, Harley, it's dead outside the ring. Oh, because they were going to try a double cross? Yeah. So how would they do something like that? Like you would think that you were a man. The jump of Jumbo would just beat me. He would try to, but they wouldn't dare with Harley. I've seen Harley race.

2:12:54So the guy's name is Jumbo Sruta. He's an Olympian, right? He passed away. God bless his soul. But he suplexed Harley one night. Without telling Harley, he was going to do it. So Harley walked in the dressing room, a little cigarette. Said to me, come here. We walked into the Japanese locker room. Bob was sitting there, seven -foot -popper -right. Smoking a big Roy Tans cigar. Sruta is there. Harley walks over to Sruta. If you ever suplex me again, without telling me beforehand, I will beat the fucking shit out of you right here in front of Baba and your friends. Wipe, and he slapped me across the face of Bhagavad Sruta.

2:13:48That sort of sideways. He looked above and said, walked out. So a move like a suplex is something you would have discussed in advance. Well, he doesn't know how to fall in. What happened was those Germans, so they dropped in your head after that. You know, I mean, it's a belly to back. It's a belly to back. I mean, there was only a couple of guys that can really do it safely. Yeah. I mean, Brock, obviously, Kurt Angles phenomenal. Kurt's a great athlete. Olympic rope, gold medalist. Yeah, but with a broken nail, and a really bad ass. But so many guys, they say, oh, I could do a German. Well, shit.

2:14:34And that's not everybody. I can't give a guy a safe German. I can give it to him, but doesn't mean it's going to be safe. Right. And then you land on the back of your head, land on the back of your neck, you know, your cartwheel, if you're taking a cartwheel, if you're landing and rolling over your shoulder, you're taking away too high. Yeah. What's the land right here? I'm going to leave it back, right? If you're landing. Here it is right here, boom. Yeah, you see Kurt doing it. That's perfect. It occurred as you notice how he's bringing him down. Yeah. He's hitting his shoulders first. Yeah, exactly.

2:15:03Yeah. Yeah, he's just ragged on us, dude. Yeah, he's got complete control. Yeah, that's it guy has done that. Probably 150 ,000 fucking times. Yeah. Yeah. Look how, and say, effortlessly he does. Yeah, and Kurt has unbelievable strength. Yeah, obviously. Because of gorilla. Yeah. Yeah. I asked Dana one time what he thought Kurt would have done. He's Kurt would have been phenomenal. Phenomenal. I mean, yeah. Who's going to stop that guy from taking him down? Yeah. In MMA. So, so quick. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. When you get to that level of wrestling, I say that wrestling is the absolute best skill, the most important skill in MMA, because if you're in there with an elite wrestler, like Bo Nichol, he's a guy who just entered into the UFC, elite amateur wrestler, who just had his first MMA fight against, you know, like a good solid Jamie Pickett, who's like a good solid mid -level MMA fighter.

2:15:56And he's just fucking manhandled. Yeah. Just man. The difference in the ability to control bodies, the way those wrestlers are, and the thing about a real elite wrestler is, you're always worried he's going to take you down, so he's going to be able to hit you easier too, because he's like faking shots and throwing punches, because the threat of the takedown is so real. It's the, it makes the toughest athletes, the strongest mentally, because the grind is so rough, it's so hard, the training is so fucking hard, and amateur wrestling, and amateur sport, I don't think there's anything harder than wrestling.

2:16:29When those guys, and they come over to MMA, they also have a different mindset. They're just tougher. Yeah. It is fucking tougher than, I mean, there's elite tough kickboxers, there's elite tough everybody in this world, but in just and sheer numbers of wrestlers, those guys are just fucking tougher, man. There's no glory in it. If you want to get, I mean, the glory is all in being recognized by your peers, and people who know wrestling. Nobody's going to give a shit at the grocery store. Nobody gives a shit on the SPN. Those guys that are the leader, the Jordan Burrows of the world, those guys are just respected by people who know.

2:17:04Beating people with your hips. With everything. Yeah. With speed, with technique, with everything. Undefeated could be, it always freaked me out, when I'd see him put his, when he would already have his somebody on their back, and he would put his legs underneath their legs, so now their feet are just kind of up in the air. And now there's nothing. Now you don't even, you didn't have a chance anyway, but now you can't even begin to have a chance. So, Sombal guys, the masters of that combat Sombo, it's a, Gordon Ryan is the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner, really ever. He's openly said that that's better than Jiu Jitsu for MMA, that style, because it's wrestling, and then control, and then their submissions are all based on top control.

2:17:45And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. That's awesome. Do you watch UFC now? Oh, yeah. Who do you like to watch? Um, well, I like, um, I think I like it. You created Conor McGregor, so. I just watched John Jones, and I'm, I'm going to Juliana's fight. Oh, nice. In Vancouver. Yeah, Juliana's having a rematch with Amanda Nunez. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. I guess there's not that much compelling in that weight class, other than another fight. And since Juliana beat her once and Amanda beat her the second time, it's going to be interesting. Juliana's a tough cookie now. Yeah, one guy, she's strong.

2:18:22She's tough. I grab her one, I'm like, she's man, you know, she had the guy I'm in business with, is her manager and, uh, we're the black cock game and she's never a daughter with her. She always cares. There's a daughter, right? So I went up behind her and grabbed her. So let's see, you got to this. And I re -grab her. I always play with her. Brother, she was gone. I mean, I really latched on her. She was gone. Like that. Yeah. Well, she's in the peak of her prime right now. Yeah. She's a serious grappler, too. When she got Amanda Nunez's back in strarial, they're a holy shit. What a fucking upset that was.

2:18:54Yeah. How many of you have been to live?

2:18:59Um, three or four. Do you enjoy it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I've gotten to know Dana fairly well. He's the fucking man. Yeah. Great guy. He's no better person to be running. No, I've got it. I'm real. It's just like Vince running it. Yeah. WWE. Dana running. UFC is the same sort of thing. Like you can't imagine that anybody else doing that job. You know, I have it in my contract when he leaves I'm gone. Wow. Yeah. Well, he won't leave. He's like Vince. What's he going to do? He might leave. He's kind of a fucking money. I think one day. He's going to be, I don't know. He loves it, though.

2:19:32He loves it. Yeah, so it's Vince. I'm going to be a good one. I've got a set up. I can call Dana at one o 'clock in the morning. We'll talk for three hours on fights. Just talk. Wow. Just talk about this. That. And we've got this going. He's telling me secret shit. Yeah. And I'm like, what else is going on? Tell him about negotiations and all the behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. Is Ariel, Ariel's got a good job with them, right? Ariel Howani? Yeah. No, Ariel is independent now. He does his own thing. Oh, I thought he worked with him. No, he did it at one point. No, they don't get along. He doesn't get along with Dana for some reason.

2:20:04Well, there's reasons. Yeah. I don't have a problem with Ariel. I like Ariel. And I think his show's great. And he's really good at interviewing people. He gets a lot of great athletes on, great fighters. Yeah. But he's got his own thing now, which is working out very well for him. He was with Fox for a while. He was the ESPN for a while. But I don't know if he's working with other people as well. I don't want to speak out of school, but I know his show's very successful. Oh, you're a nice guy. I just don't know what's the meaning of it. Always been pretty nice. I'm friends with his uncle. His uncle's Gadsad, the, you know, the evolutionary, what is he?

2:20:35What is his, he's a biologist, right? What is a Gadsad, he's a professor. But a very intense intellectual and a really fun guy. And he's just happens to be Ariel's uncle, just hilarious. That's fantastic. Ariel is pretty tough, too, right? Is he? What, what's he? I don't know. I don't think he ever fought. I don't think so. I don't even know if he trained. Oh, he's, he ain't waggy. God, he looks like he did. I thought he's scared of him. Nope. I'm gonna try something. No, but he looked, I thought he was a, a fighter one time. I don't believe so. Oh, okay. That could be wrong. I've never, well, you would know, you would know how to serve him.

2:21:13But I don't know everybody trained. I'm always shocked at some of the things he's doing. He's very well -spoken, too. Very smart guy. But I'm always shocked at like how many guys don't train that are involved in MMA. It's kind of interesting because I don't know how you'd really understand what's happening. Unless you have some physical ability yourself. Because especially when he goes to the ground to be able to see where the vulnerabilities are and see the transitions, you kind of have to train. I don't know, I don't understand how you couldn't, to really be able to judge it and understand it.

2:21:45You ever thought about doing some jiu -jitsu? No. I thought about a lot of things over the years. Did you learn any catch wrestling? Did you learn any, is that real old school submission stuff? No, no, no. I mean, I've been, I've had it demonstrated to me in youth time. I'm sure. No, no. He had no desire to learn that while you were hanging out with those guys. No, I wouldn't hang out with them. I remember I just go to see them. They broke me in, but I didn't hang out with them. Okay. The Billy Robinson was a real catch wrestler. Billy was trained by, yes. Billy was trained by, by Godch. So, you know, only a few of those guys around would think, they could hurt your bad boy.

2:22:23Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. The catch wrestling was a particularly brutal style of grappling in England. Yeah. It was really tough. Because they started out with real submission moves. Yeah. I mean, it was wrestling, but it was also real submission moves. And those guys, physically, were, there were such fucking specimens. You know what Farmer Burns was? Farmer Burns was a legendary catch wrestler. And one of his stunts that he used to do, he would do a Dead Man's Hang. He would drop from a hang rope. And his neck was so fucking thick from neck bridges that he could literally hang there with a fucking noose around his neck and support his weight.

2:23:03This photos of it. See if you can find Farmer Burns. He was famous for doing this. But he was just a fucking tank of a man who would go to these carnivals and he would engage in pro wrestling things. Look at this. Look at him, bro. He's literally hanging by his fucking neck. Jesus Christ. I mean, how insane. I mean, these are different fucking human beings. Yeah. This is a different time of the world. I mean, even look at the way they're built, they're just strong. He's not body builder muscles. These guys are just animals. That was Farmer Burns. And so those, this, like, he has a bunch of instructional, like images and stuff that you could see that are real moves that people still use in MMA today.

2:23:49Like, a lot of that catcher, and Josh Barnett was the best at that. He was probably the very best at transitioning catch wrestling and using it, not just in submission matches. Like he, he, he submitted here on Gracie. He submitted Dean Lister. He submitted some legit guys with catch wrestling moves in, like grappling tournaments and in MMA. And, you know, he's a, but that's that he's from that same old school, though, learned all that stuff from guys like Billy Robinson, learned all those strength and conditioning moves, did all the mace work and shit. Like those guys all use steel maces for conditioning.

2:24:23All that stuff that you're seeing today, like that on it does, all that functional strength does, those guys were way ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Way ahead. They were doing that way back then. They were some of the best fucking condition athletes ever. Yeah. And that's where it all started out. It all started out with like legit wrestling. Yeah. And then it became pro wrestling when, you know, they're really like, look, we're doing all these, you can't like actual fight every night. Right. So it became this thing. I think God. Thank God. That guy's like me came along. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't mind doing the hour, but I didn't want to fight over that part of it.

2:24:59Do they ever bring you in to talk to young wrestlers like to give them what they just did? Yeah. What does that like? It's funny. You know, they have me come to an interview class for NXT while they were in LA. Oh, sorry. They have me come into a interview class. They just, now they're on this, this program where they're hiring, they're hiring, bringing nothing but college athletes. They're doing college athletes into the training center. So when they're in LA, they've brought in, I want to say, 50 or maybe even 100. I think it was 50. College athletes all over the country. And then when we went to UCLA and they had them do endurance training, then they had them come to a seminar where I talked about how to learn how to interview, which is really hard to explain because it's got to come from here.

2:25:55It's got to come from here. And the biggest problem is really, if they got 100 people, let's say at NXT right now, out of that 100, 1 % might make it. I was trying to figure out today with a friend of mine who used to work there. In the last, in the last five years, all the kids over there, right? Reariply? Austin Theory? If that's the last three years, right? Yeah. Okay, now think about that. And prior to that, it's been 10 years since Ashley went there. The biggest group they had to come up, one time which revolutionized the Women's Division, was when Sasha, a daughter, Bailey and Becky Lynch came up, then the whole thing started to change her own.

2:26:51Totally, and his daughter literally changed it. It used to be called the Divas champ. It was like all overly, it was like bad. There was no respect towards women whatsoever. And to their credit, they basically did that. That's almost not even a Vince thing. Then Rhonda came, which gave it a big shot. But the only one that wasn't afraid of Rhonda was my daughter. They might daughter Rhonda with their dollar. Oh my God, literally the best women's wrestling matches ever. Especially not afraid of her. So the key thing that Rhonda, because she was, Rhonda was ragged down with the judo, right? And the girls were just so.

2:27:31Us wrestling, the people that knew both are like, this might not go good for Rhonda. But meanwhile, because of the judo, she was such a natural wrestler. She was putting on a fucking multi -multimillion dollar show all the time. I love Rhonda. Yeah, she's so great promo too. She's so great at playing in a badass. Because she thinks she's not going to be. It's almost like a mistracked. It's like when we've had some comedians that might be a little bit crazy and we're like, let's go watch her set and see how it goes. And they're like, they're dialed in. She uses, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's like a good rest of the menu where she came out of the crowd with the rock.

2:28:07And she was throwing stuff from your own and then Hunter. I mean, she's phenomenal. But as far as the girl matches, my daughter is only one that's not afraid of her. She's the most successful to ever go over from MMA other than, well, Brock started it pro wrestling. But she's the most successful, right? By transition by far. Yeah, Brock number one, her number two. And for good reason, both of them. It's not like, oh, they really made that entertaining or they learned that one little try. It's they were, they were ready. Those are pure athletes that that's what you need to be. That's how you need to.

2:28:39And they earned their keep. I mean, they were, you know, I think sometimes the, the, the talent gets jealous of people just coming in and out and all that. Well, Ron and Brock have paid the price. I mean, what are you going to say? Yeah, you can't say shit. Yeah, it's Ron and Rousey, motherfucker. Yeah. It was Brock Lesnar. Yeah. Yeah, do it. Please. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Yeah, Brock flurtered a couple times with coming back. And I really thought he was because that guy really loves to fight. He, I mean, you know, he loves pro wrestling, but he really loves real fighting too. Yeah. You know, it wasn't for that diverticulitis where he had to get, I think he kind of like six inches of his intestines removed.

2:29:17It's just a fucking major surgery. Yeah. Big, big deal for him to come back and then he fought Alistar over him back in the very loose drug testing days. And Alistar over him came in there looking like a fucking science project and kick Brock in the stomach like right where he had the surgery and it was rough. Yeah. No Brock, no, I have a lot of respect for him. Can I beat Randy Cotour when Randy was in his prime and I think it was only his fourth MMA fight. Yeah. Which is bananas to become the UFC heavyweight champion. You're for and like beat Randy Cotour. I mean, he was a lot bigger than Randy for sure, but still Randy's legit.

2:29:55To beat that kind of stop him, Brock was so big. He was so ridiculous. He was still big. He was still big. Yeah, still big. Much respect. Yeah. Look at the size difference between the two of them. That was incredible fight though. I mean, Randy was so under so. Look at the size of Brock. I mean, that's like literally, it doesn't even look like a real human. There's a good fight though. It's just the size difference was just way too much. I mean, and Brock could fight. He could fight. I mean, he fought Frank Mirr. Like I think it was only his third MMA fight. I think he fought one Japanese guy in LA.

2:30:42I was there for that. That was the outdoor event. I think that was a K1 event. And then he fought heath herring, steamrolled heath herring, and then Frank Mirr -Cotour in a leg lock and tapped him. It was nasty because he wasn't like the referee didn't stop it quick enough. And Frank was still cranking on his leg. Yeah, he said Frank was tough. Frank was elite. He was so good off his back too. What fuck Frank? What fuck guys like Frank up or guys who fought Frank is like, it's very unusual that a guy was that big. It's so good fighting off of his back. And when Brock went to the ground with Frank, Frank just laced up a leg and started rolling into a leg bar.

2:31:20See if you can find that. Because there's a dangerous position. No Brock said it. But I'm like, I have some of it. Well, it not only did it hurt, but I think I look like Brock was going to kill the guy. Yeah. And all of a sudden, the table's turned that fast. Well, Frank Mirr is a legit martial artist. And one of the best submission artists to ever fight in the UFC. I mean, that guy broke two world champions arms. Two elite guys, Tim Silvia and Nogeira. So here it is. He's on top. He gets a hold of the leg. Now this is so dangerous. Like the position this isn't like he's tapping and Mazda got it doesn't stop it quick enough.

2:31:54Like that's an extra two or three cranks on that knee that he just did not need there. So then they had a rematch. And the rematch he beat the fuck out of Frank Mirr. And his face looked like like people had said that it was like he was eating strawberries. And he smashed his face into strawberries. Speaking of leg locks. How did you come up with the figure four? Oh, I'm a third guy to use that. First was Buddy Rogers, then Jack Briscoe. Jack Briscoe was tough. Thirty one and oh his senior year, as junior Oklahoma State, thirty one and oh, thirty one pins. No one took him down. Jesus. Jack Briscoe was a badass brother.

2:32:42Is that Gerald Briscoe's brother? Wow. Jack Briscoe. So he got a girlfriend. No, Buddy Rogers did, but Jack, he was the... It never worked for me. I never beat anybody with it. I just put it on. So he said he got a girlfriend. Everybody turned it over on me. Would Jack put it on? It worked. If you roll over in a figure four, it reverses the polar of the energy. Even though... No, nobody... Jack wasn't hardly raised tough, but nobody played with Jack either. Nobody. I'd say another real badass with Danny Hodge. You would have loved Danny Hodge. Would you say about Jack, Jack got some pregnant? You got a girl pregnant.

2:33:24He was going to the Olympics. He was going to the Olympics. He might have been thirty one and oh, Oklahoma State in their heyday with thirty one pins and never getting taken off. Nobody took him down. Wow. I think about that. And then he got a girl pregnant and that ends his career. His damage career. I got your wrestler. I got to get in the pro wrestling for money. Wow. But he made a lot of money and they were successful and I just see Gerald not once, once a while Gerald was real tough too. So... Yeah, he's a big comedy fan. We put on the first ever. We got a full -size wrestling ring right before the pandemic and we put it in the main room of the comedy store.

2:34:06And me and my buddies, we wrote a whole event. All, literally ninety percent of the card went on to, I mean, huge AEW stars. It's crazy. And but back then they were just about to break and we had the most fun and Gerald Brisco said that is the greatest first time wrestling show he's ever seen. Oh, good. We had a ball. He was no. He was no. He was Vince McMahon's right hand. You had that of the comedy store? Yeah. It made a really fit between. We were on the stage at a table like a podcast and the ring barely fit from the front of that red stage to where the booths were. It was all a wrestling ring.

2:34:45Really? It was the coolest thing ever. How come I never saw this? What year was this? This was right before the pandemic. Everything was moving so fast. We were actually just about to announce the second one. Really good to hear. Oh yeah, I got to... What happened to you? Rally, Rally Piper's daughter choked me out because I said even she was in the crowd and I go he always told me that I was his favorite. He didn't even like you. And she came. It was crazy. Crowds booing me. I put this all on myself. I was the back. I was full. He always said fun. You must have been in your glory. Oh, we had the best time ever.

2:35:25That is so Tony Hitchcliff. Look at you with the fuck. That's a different thing. That's a different thing. That's I'm playing the match, oh man. We did an all wrestler roast where everybody was different wrestlers. Someone was Rick Flair. I was the match, oh man. There's been a lot of wrestling in the... I did a wrestling podcast. Well Rally, Rally was always in the store. He was a great mentor. He actually... I had never heard of the playing card workout thing until I worked out with him once. Throwing up in a trash can in the first 15 minutes. Was it turning into cards? Oh yeah, there it is.

2:35:56Oh, that's David Arquette. Well, he's another guy. He got heavily into wrestling, right? I mean, like touring and like very serious about it. We brought the shock master back for the first time ever. Oh my God. He's trying to... What is he doing? He's trying to not fall. Wait, you were there for that. I was there with all my show. Oh, that you have to see. That we have to pull up for Joe. The actual shock master is one of the greatest things in wrestling history. There's four guys on one side and three guys on the other. They're about to announce their partner. The thing is, it was just a guy who'd been through his tugboat.

2:36:34He had already been through a bunch of characters. It was just his brother and all. He was? Yeah, he's just his brother. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. But anyway, hold on one second. I have to set this up properly. So they're arguing this and that. And then they go, we're about to announce our partner. They're trying to make it exciting. But it's just this guy and the production people didn't have enough time to really do anything. So they went and they bought a stormtrooper helmet, like a Star Wars helmet. And they just put silver glitter all over it. So they have this guy that's already been a bunch of characters.

2:37:12But they need them right now. And they want to make this big entrance. And the other guys all thought it was so dumb that they put a piece of wood. Well, I'm just going to let you watch what happens because it's so legendary. Hello, girl. This is Donald. Donald, I'm doing Donald. Who the fiend can find out who's going to be all the half of the day? All I have to say is our partner is going to shack the world because he is none other than the shack. The rock. The shack.

2:37:59He's going to turn to real with the glitter on it. This is so dumb. I don't give a stab. I don't give a stab. I don't give a stab. I don't give a stab. So real quick. Hold on, pause it real quick. So right now. So there's another guy off the stage with a microphone who's supposed to be doing the voice of the Shrek. Because they couldn't put a microphone inside the helmet. But the guy didn't know that the shock master was going to fall like that. So he's literally cracking up. He's holding him off screen dying of laughter. But he's supposed to be going, I'm the shock master. I'm going to. And he's supposed to be reacting to that.

2:38:37But what ends up happening is the guy's cracking up that's supposed to be doing the shock master's voice. I'm just glad I was gone. Yeah. And what's epic about this and everybody knows it is that if you watch from the beginning, Rick gravitates out the back door. He leaves basically the promo as the thing goes on because somehow you knew that the ship was about to hit the fan completely. There's about wife Wendy in the corner. Get a shot of Wendy backroom right there. That's your wife now. Yeah. Thirty years were together. I knew each other. So the whole thing is just it's the. It's true. Right.

2:39:17So started at the fall again and now that you know that there's supposed to be another guy. But he doesn't know that the guy that's supposed to be doing his voice is laughing. So when Sid starts yelling to cover for the fall, he's reacting to his voice. Yeah.

2:39:40I don't care who you are more. I don't give a stab. Who you are. You're gonna have us. You're gonna have me. So he's going like that because he thinks that's his now the guy. So you're the man that lives the world. They call me the shock master. Stupid. He's long enough. Sid vicious. Oh my god. Come on. You want a piece of me? You want a piece of me? He has to pretend like he's scared.

2:40:14I'm ready. This is the most low budget shit of all time. Dusty rolls. It's turn back. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was WCW back in the day. That's what Vince was competing with. Yeah. Just a laugh and it up. Sorry.

2:40:33That's that's fun times man. Yeah. When you look back on all that, I mean it's got to be, you got to be proud. I mean it's what an amazing career event. No I am. I mean it's been some ups and downs but I'm of survived. That's the important thing. What's great to know you have another thing to do. I'm a Joe Rogan show. That's big time. Yeah. You don't know how many people have said. You can't tell them. You know it won't tell anybody. You don't want to be surprised. You know I got one of them. I want to tell everybody. People are going to be pumped. Yeah. I'm really happy that you're doing this cannabis business now too.

2:41:04Thank you. I love it when guys find a new thing where they can, here it is. The woo -choose. Putting the woo back and hemp derived cannabis as only the nature boy can. And where can anybody buy this stuff? God we're in 15 states now. The ones that were at legal. Yeah. Where you live in these days? I live in Tampa. But my wife's got two places and we have two places in Rosemary Beach, 38. You're familiar with that area up there by Destin and then we have a home in Atlanta. Nice. But she calls my place to fraternity house. She just comes for a week at a time. I'm going to run in the water there at Chattelaside, Tampa's Phenomenal.

2:41:43Nice. Yeah, I ride my boat every day and play around with the cannabis. It is nice that you have this new stream of revenue too. Yeah, absolutely. I sign autographs for fitterman. God he can ride him fitterman and shout out man. He pays me a lot of money so it's a good deal. I live in a good life. So you essentially just travel around with this cannabis company? Cannabis and then travel around with Ryan to a sporting memorabilia of shows. Comic Con stuff like that. Nice. Yeah, very nice. Enjoying it? Loving it. It's so great that you've got a such a great source of revenue after the career. Because that's more than I ever made.

2:42:22That's amazing. Two and a half times more than I ever made. That's great. It's great to hear. It's 74. It is nice. It's nice. And it's so beneficial too. Yeah, it is. Being the stuff of legit, there's nothing. It took me a while to get used to smoking it again. Because I had asthma back and I was smoking it when I was in college, right? So I just, it just didn't, and it became, it was really a illegal thing back then too, which I was, you know, fairly conscious of. All my friends did it and all that. It didn't bother me. It just wasn't my thing. But it's taken me a while to practice your back, but I like the buzz.

2:42:57It's nice. And the, the edibles absolutely work like a belt for that. Oh, yeah. And then no hangover. Yeah. No hangover. And also the, in far as the being felt for people that have pain, it works. Yeah. It ain't been gay. It's much better. Oh, yeah. It's a lot better. Yeah. The reduction of information from CBD is so good. Yeah. I know so many people that have had arthritis and all sorts of issues. They're starting to take it CBD. It all goes away. Yeah. Absolutely. You had asthma? Well, the kid, yeah. Wow. It just like went away? Yeah, I grew it. Yeah, which, I just, I had an unusual. Oh, okay.

2:43:31So I just couldn't smoke. I had nothing. I liked it, but, um, yeah. No, I've always, I've always liked booze. I don't know what it is about me. Because it's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Why do we like booze? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's fun. Why is it playing a load of full of milk culture in vodka right now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing quite like drinking. No. It's the best. We need to go out one night. Yeah, we do. Yeah. 100%. I want to be in town for a while. I'm not a fun. I could stay. One more day. You convinced me to tamper. Yeah. I gotta come with you. Yeah. You gotta convince me to please. Can we change number?

2:44:07Can we change number? I'm telling you. Yeah. I have 100%. I have data's number. Yeah. 100%. And I have been to Joe Rogan's. Let's do it. 100%. I want to face time, Rick Flair. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well listen, brother. Thank you very much for being here. It's a real honor to meet you. And just. It's just fucking cool. Thank you. It's very cool for me. Trust me. Thank you. Very honored. Big fan. Tony, like, he, all week, this guy's been like chomping at the bit. Tony. He's so excited to be here. Thank you. He's literally one of the greatest pro wrestling fans in the history of the world right there.

2:44:41Thank you. He knows it all. Thank you. He almost worked for the WWE. Awesome. He was going to write for them, but he just didn't want to live in Connecticut. And I wanted to keep doing stand -up comedy. Yeah. Thank God. He ended up with that. You know, that's pretty good. That's a dolphin. Yeah. Well, it's regular. Pretty good at it. Yeah. Now I'm friends with Dolph. Oh yeah. Yeah. What a great guy. Cleveland, Ohio. He's done my podcast. He took up good too. Yeah. He's got to get him on Kill Tony. Yeah. You have to hang out in Austin next time. Let's do it. Little less jet flying and a little more.

2:45:09A little more. Yeah. A hotel stay in Steyon's day. Yeah. Okay. You got it. I'll come in. Let's do it. We're good. Take her to come out too. He's here. Yeah. He could drink a jack. Oh yeah. Mark, oh yeah. Look at that. He's a callie brother. He's home. You can hear me. I lost two Rolexes with him. I was drinking jack Daniels. I just lost two Rolexes. Well, one I heard I threw into a bulls forgetting and told some chick that I had 13 of it home. I did hear about this. We'll give it a wake up with two girls in bed, right? And I go look around. I'm watching them all right. I'm in Baltimore. And I was with taker and I think Kurt Hennigan.

2:45:52Horace Grant. The one that played for Washington. Harvey. Harvey Grant. For the capels or not capels, but the, what's their basketball team? The Bullets then maybe the Bullets. Yeah. So, um, and I guess I got hammered. I went down to the 17th and I won't go for the two girls. No Rolex.

2:46:18So I met my joke with markets that every time I take up my Rolex, I just put it in my pockets. Yeah. But we've had so much fun together. I mean, we travel in Japan together in Europe. He's just a great guy man. He's a great podcast with him. He's the best. Yeah. If we could all, if we could all four of us get together, I think that would be a good, good, good. Let's do that. Let's do it. We're on the set. Hope you hear this tomorrow, brother. I'm coming back to Austin. Next time we'll do this, we'll schedule Killtony. I'll come on with them as a guest. We'll go out to dinner. What's that? Love that.

2:46:52Here in Austin. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Leave the wives home. Absolutely. Woo! Alright, so for anybody who wants to buy your stuff, it's available at all legal hemp shops, WooChoos, brick flair approved. You're the fucking man. Thank you, brother. Really appreciate you being here. I'm honored. Thank you. I'm honored. Thank you. Thank you, Tony. Thank you. Alright, bye everybody.

2:47:22Thank you.