#1976 - James Fox

26:43It's in my bag. Go get the bag. Should I go get it? Go get it right now. I'm sorry. Take the bag, man. Oh, it's right there. Exciting. Sorry about that. Keep that up on the screen. Can I see the full, the full, how it's, how it's, how it's, how it's, how it's oddly centered. This is perfect. Sent to me, this is sent to me by the guy who shot the Polaroid, okay? There was this handwriting, this came from Australia. Boom. Here it is. Check it out. Can you see the way it sideways like that? Yeah. I'm going to put it in my old man glass. Yeah, I know, right? I got mine too. And we can get into, we can get into my argument that I'm going to put forth as if I'm presenting a case to a jury.

27:30See, my number one problem always with these things is that I want it to be true so bad that I worry that my rational, logical mind ignores all possibilities. I mean, I'm looking at this, this photo. That's pretty good. But it's the same one, it's the same photo. So, you got to look at it like that. To do it again. Yeah. Feel similar, bro. It's a bell. It's a school bell. Times up, bitches. That's what they sound like. That's what it tells. I know. So. It tells up humans. Which, you can't base this stuff on any one. Change it. It's over. You can't base. Jamie, Jamie's on the case. Hey, all I could say is that you talk to the witnesses.

28:19I think you've picked it up as a hamburger underneath it. That's what I think. It's like a fancy restaurant hamburger. It's your real, sir. It's your idea is what I've seen. You know, the kind where they don't put the bun together. You got to do it together yourself. The burgers you're sitting there. But you can't, you look at the preponderance of eyewitness tests and money from around the world. Right. You don't look at any one particular case. You look at one particular case. You think, I see some cracks in that. I get it. I get one of them lids. So one of them food lids. That's what I'm talking.

28:49That's what it is. It's 100%. We cracked the case. So. It's a food lid. The burger's underneath it. Yeah. You can see the top thing. Well, Jamie, that's the propulsion system you fool. Don't you understand UFO physics? I don't know which way it's going in the photo. That's the way it's going that way. You could. You could pull up McMindville, Oregon 1950, Evelyn and Paul Trent. Pretty good photographs of discs and by the way, yeah, they're pretty good. What is it again? McMindville, Oregon 1950, Evelyn and her husband Paul Trent snapped, I think, three, two or three photographs of a disc and broad deal.

29:28You know, I know Barney Hills granddaughter. That's incredible. Yeah. She's like a fight scene. You have seen the badass. What about that? Angela Hill. She was on the podcast and she told me about that after we got off the air. I'm like, what? I almost wanted, I should have brought her right back in. Look at that. Oh, there's a better one. Hold on. It's a hubcap. Nope. It's, uh, let it do stuff without that. That one there. That's good. Yeah. That's pretty good. That one over there is a hubcap. I've got that extremely high resolution. But you've got two eyewitnesses never made a dime out of the story.

29:57It's been analyzed to death. Show me that hubcap one. One of that. Oh, that one's that's 19 -6. That's a hubcap. Nope. That's a hubcap. That's Rex Heffland. No, look at that. That's Rex Heffland, Santa Ana, California. Mm -hmm. And there are several polaroids from Rex Heffland. You can look up Rex Heffland. It's a pretty damn big case. All jokes aside. Yes. How many of these do you think are fake? Well, I'm showing you the ones that I that have been scrutinized to death. And, uh, no one has made any serious claims of being a hoax on the cases that I'm giving you. So that image right there? Could you bring me that again, Jamie?

30:34That image right there, it's like I feel like someone could fake that. Well, you got to listen, you got to listen to the testimony of Evelyn Trent and her husband Paul. And you got to listen to the analysis that Conan committee did on this. And blew the photograph. Yeah. And what did they say about the photograph? Well, here's the thing. Everybody was like, okay, I witnessed testimony is not good enough. No, it's, it's, I'm not saying that. No, no, I know. I think, listen, if you had a unique experience, if you were out in the desert, this episode is brought to you by Buffalo trace distillery.

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32:41I sympathize with those people because in the vast universe that we exist in, it's entirely possible that something like that has the power to get here. It's entirely possible. Also people are full of shit. There's a lot of people that are full of shit. That's part of my problem. My problem is not that I don't believe. My problems I don't believe people that much. And I do believe some people and there's some sincere people and that's one of my problems with Bob Lazar. I believe Bob Lazar. I talk to that guy. I like what you say. I believe he believes what he's saying. And there's something to that.

33:17But I also think, God, if you wanted to get someone that you could easily discredit, if you had a propulsion system that was baffling you and you had some wizard who likes to make hydrogen powered Corvette's and you put a rocket engine in the back of a Honda. Did you ever see that? I did. He's a psycho. Like so he's a guy who understands propulsion systems. He's clearly brilliant. He listened to the guy talk. He's off the charts intelligent. And he would say, it was a fucking psycho over here. Let's have that guy go down there. I mean, this guy's out there in the fucking desert shooting AK -47s and shit.

33:48He's a wild man. Right? So you bring that guy and you tell him, hey, tell us what this is. Go to work. And he's walking around there and he's like, what the fuck is this? Like that's the kind of guy you, if you're at the end of your rope, if you know, especially if you're a brilliant person, if you're a brilliant person and you happen to be a general or happen to be someone who's in charge over there, and you are thinking, like, we got to look outside the box. Like, we got to do something. We got to bring in other perspectives. And you got to bring in someone that's not going to be able to communicate with other scientists.

34:25This is part of the problem. You can't share data. They can't peer review with other scientists all over the world because it's top secret shit. So everything has to stay within this small group, very small group of people, and none of them are cracking it. All of them they bring in, they're fucking stunned and baffled. So you keep funneling new people in, they do experiments. Something blows up, some people die. And you're like, okay, you know, let's try some more. What else you got? I only got this guy at Los Alamos Lab. He puts fucking rocket engines at the back. He's on Honda's and he's a propulsion expert.

34:56He's kind of nuts, but maybe bring in man. Yeah, so I'll get back to my domain because this is the stuff that I know. And I know primarily because I went and interviewed the waitances. I just went off of the tangent. No, it's all good. I'm going to, I'm going to Bobble's our day. Okay. I just don't know the case well enough to comment on it. I mean, more than that, the reason why I shared that video stories, not because I'm sitting there telling you that's a definitive piece of evidence that the world's been waiting for, but it's very compelling. It's never been released. And I'm giving you guys a lead on that.

35:27This guy has it. Logan Paul. So Logan Paul, just put it on your watch. He might do that. Yeah, I mean, if the guy suits you, the money that you'd make from having that releasing it would probably be way worth it. And I hope if the two guys that shot it, one was 19, the other guy was close to 30. So those guys are still alive. They lived in Los Angeles and they're definitely still alive. Yeah, they should be. So those guys are still alive. Let's put together a dog. Contrary. Well, I'd like to see the original tape because it's going to be a lot better condition than an old VHS tape. Tell these gentlemen, I'll get you on the podcast.

35:59Come on. So tell the story. Contact me at James C. Fox. Oh, don't put your email. What are you crazy? No, it wasn't. I was, that was my Twitter. Oh, yeah. Just my Twitter. I said, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Good Lord. Sir, no, I made a mistake in doing that one time on Larry King's live. Oh, no. How many dick pics did you get? Any? I was so inundated I could not believe. I was like, what was I thinking? Yeah, this is probably like millions of people in my - Oh, my Lord. It was crazy. Anyway, the people about when it comes to UFOs, people are very passionate. Yeah, absolutely.

36:36So let me get back to my argument because from 1945 forward, yeah, let's go for it. And I'm correct. And this is one of the things that I've always heard is that after the bombs were dropped, that's when the UFO started showing up. Well, that's when the activity certainly heightened. And yeah, so is there any indication that they were directly connected other than the fact that they just show up? Was there ever any... So I'll tell you a testimony. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how it organically came upon my attention. I was working with this guy, Lance Mungi. I was one of the editors that was working on the phenomenon with me.

37:16And we were doing this archive from a guy, this guy named David Marlors got this incredible archive of UFO material dating right back to the 40s, all the way to modern day. Newspaper headlines, audio recordings, statements, broadcast, unbelievable, the biggest archive you could spend the rest of your life in there. So he gave me a bunch of stuff that was archive interviews of primarily people at White Sands, Hall of an Air Force Base, different areas in Texas. And I was just putting it in, it's kind of like a little montage in the piece of just giving the illustration that these things are going on all over.

37:51And my buddy goes, hey man, let's put a map on the wall and put pins in the map for these different locations. So I was like, oh, okay, sure, let's do that. So we put a map on the wall in the edit room when we were doing the phenomenon. And we were putting pins in and we looked at each other after like a day or two and we were like, look at proximity to Trinity site. Wow, even Sakura, White Sands, this place in Texas, like that's kind of unusual, what kind of scratching our heads? Do you think there's a correlation? So anyway, we didn't really take it much further than that, but we definitely took notice.

38:24And then I met with Senator Harry Reid, thank you, George and I for helping make that happen. Former Senator of the leader, Harry Reid, he started the A -TIT program. And during the interview, I didn't think about asking him this, but at the end, and he had like, I'll have 47 minutes with you. And then I got to go and he's got all the security guards and big guys with earpieces looking at me. I said, well, sir, would you mind if we could do a quick walk and talk? He goes, yeah, I'll give you 45 seconds. So I figured, well, while I'm walking with Senator Reid, I'm going to ask him what was one of the more astonishing aspects of the phenomenon that they uncovered during this panic on UFO program?

39:02And right away, without hesitation, he goes, the fact that there are incursions over our nuclear missile facilities, nuclear armed facilities, that is of great concern. Not just that was a shocking aspect of the phenomenon. And I thought back to that map that we'd done in the Eddard Room. So I was like, I got to go back to the drawing board. So I spent a year. I contacted this guy named Robert Hastings, who's the guy who wrote the book on the connection between UFOs and nukes. What is the book? His name is Robert Hastings. UFOs and nukes, I think. But in any case, I contacted him and he's like, oh, I'm not doing too well.

39:41I got this heart condition. I tell you what, you can have all my archives, all the videos that I shot. So I went through all of it and I put together just like a five or ten minute segment. In the phenomenon, that connection. And you got all these like missile control launch officers and people at Malstrom Air Force Base, Minon Air Force Base talking about these incredible incursions. And keep in mind, you're talking about people that we entrusted with the secure like, like, securement and deployment of nuclear weapons, okay? So if these guys are lying, that's a problem. And if these guys are hallucinating, when they've got nuclear weapons, at their disposal, that's terrifying.

40:21And it's happening all over. I mean, there is, I don't, I've got at least 15 or 20 of these guys testifying. And Robert Hastings got a bunch more. My point is there is, there does seem to be a connection. I interviewed this guy, Robert Salis. Robert Salis was a Lieutenant Robert Salis launch control officer, United States Air Force. Has this incredible encounter in in Malstrom, his people do. And UFO sighted, a disc, and then his nuke started shutting down. He said to me, I'll never forget this. And this is like 2002. This is part of out of the blue. He goes, well, James, very calm. You could see why he was a launch control officer, very measured.

41:02Everything that came out of his mouth was calm and measured. He goes, well, James, the way I see it, it's kind of like taking matches out of the hands of a baby. Whoa. Yeah, whoa, right? Well, that makes sense. So there's a preponderance of testimony from these guys. And they're testifying right now to Arrow, Sean Crapatric. But we can get back to Zero stand for. Look it up. It's an acronym. It's the new UAP task force. There's there was there was a sap. Then it went to A tip. Then it went to UAP task force. Then it went to I know they keep changing the name. Maybe like a rebranding or something.

41:40Do you know what I mean? All domain anomaly resolution office. Did you see the photo that I posted on Instagram of the story of the guy from Space Force? Yeah. It says we may be facing threats outside this world. Yeah, I don't fuck this up. I just don't even want to spend any time. Space Force boss acknowledges the US will begin facing threats outside of Earth. What the hell are you saying? What are you saying, man? What does that mean? Can I read a statement that... Can I ask you one question? Absolutely. Because we're on the subject of the nuclear basis. This is the exactly this is relevant to this.

42:18How many of them were there? How many different sightings were at these missile bases and in areas where they're testing nuptial? There are a lot of cases. I think cases and just about all the installations in the United States. I mean Robert Hastings can I mean I've every installation in the United States has cases. I can't say that definitively. But a lot of them. A lot of them. I put 15, 20, 25. Let me give you another example. Joint base. Rendlesham Forest, December 1980. It's a joint British US base. It's called the Rendlesham Forest Incident. There was a landing December 1980. You've got Jim Peniston, John Burrows and this guy Ed Cabanzag.

43:06Thinking that like something crashed in the forest or something. They went out to investigate and there's an object sitting on the forest floor. It's kind of like a triangular shaped object and it's dark and it's warm to the touch and they sat with it on the ground. Cabanzag acted like as a relay between the base and where this object is sitting on the ground. Jim Peniston took photographs of it. He had his log book. He wrote down the symbols that were on the craft which are crazy. Then the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, I interviewed him. He had because sightings can happen over a period of a week or more.

43:44A lot of times when you get these mass sightings. Even the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt became a witness. He was skeptical and then he too became a witness. He said that these objects, it was a recording of him while it's happening out there in the ether. There were shooting beams of light down in the weapon storage area. That was December 1980, phenomenal case, the Reynolds -Rum Forest Incident. These are like the cases. What did this object look like? It was a triangular shaped object, not that big. I don't know, maybe six feet high and it was black and he said it was warm to the touch and it didn't make any sound, very little sound.

44:20Then it lifted off the forest floor, maneuvered up through the trees and shot off at a high radius speed. These are people that are responsible for the security of our nuclear weapons, saying this. The deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, saying this, Gordon Williams, the general of the entire base I interviewed him as well. He talks about how the fact that this got out, it was a memo that was written by the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, that leaked and the whole story got out. Those are the cases that I'm talking about that represent that five or ten percent core that cannot be explained away in conventional terms.

44:54Defy after exhausted research. Nick Pope talks about it at the MOD, he investigated it because it took place in England. He said there were radiation readings at the landing site. Did the crafts that happened at the base, did they have photograph of these signs? Well, Jim Penison says that he took photographs and then they said the photographs didn't come out. That's what they told him. So he took photographs to get developed and then when they developed them, they said that's what they said to him, yes. So more likely they just said. So then one of the things that Colonel Charles Halt said, the deputy base commander, is that a plane came in and there was some unknown government, USA, you guys probably think I'm crazy now, but don't take it from me.

45:33I'm just telling you what they told me. That they came in and kind of sanitized the whole case. But that's a very good case and it's one of the top cases that is extremely, it's been investigated in England, it's been investigated in the United States and a lot of the witnesses have come forward on the record. So it's quite possible that somewhere and some archive this photo exists or some photos exist. Okay. But here's the question. If the government keeps coming out and telling us that we may begin to face threats from outside of this world, if they're telling us that when they're discussing these things, they behave in a way that we can't describe and no propulsion systems that we know of, they're telling us all this.

46:18Why wouldn't they release all that other stuff too? Why wouldn't they release those photographs? What's in it for them? Well, what's in it for them to tell us about it in the first place? Well, they're not. But what's in it for them to even... People think that there was a sudden epiphany with the US government that they wanted to be more transparent and they wanted the general public to know more about this phenomenon. Right. That is not what happened. What happened is a couple of insiders in December of 2017 walked some evidence out of A -Tip, found a loophole and put it on the front page of the New York Times.

46:56Now they can't... Hell yeah, I was leaguer. They did that. Yes, it was Christopher Mellon. Okay. I actually got a phone call when the film was coming out and I got a phone call from Leslie Kaine and she goes, Christopher Mellon told you that he was the one that walked the footage out of the Pentagon. I said, yeah, it's on camera. Well, Christopher Mellon, he goes, I can't believe that. He didn't even want that in the New York Times like how... I said, I don't know, he just said it and that's what happened. It wasn't like suddenly the government had this epiphany. So now they can't put the genie back in the bottle.

47:27Now you got the David Fravers, right? David Fravers encounters phenomenal. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. I mean, it's got photographic evidence. That tick -tack. I was investigating a landing case in New Mexico. It was April 24th, 1964. So I spent five years on this case. It was the case that turned around Dr. Jalen Heineck. Dr. Jalen Heineck investigated UFO reports for the United States Air Force as a scientific advisor from 47 to 69. He's the one that coined all the term close encounter of the first kind, close encounter of the second time, the second kind, the close encounter of the third kind. Okay?

48:09Close encounter of the first kind when you see a UFO, close range, close encounter of the second time, you see a UFO and somehow it interacts with the environment. Whether like Richard Drifers face got burnt or it leaves marks on the ground or it burns trees, whatever. The propulsion affects something close encounter of the third kind. Now this is coming out of Air Force project Blue Book's own files. This is not me saying this. Close encounter of the third kind is when beans are reported by the witnesses. So beans are associated with the craft or reported. One of the best most well documented cases in US history took place.

48:41It's Corn, New Mexico, April 24, 1964 at five o 'clock with a police officer that was on duty by the name of Lonnie Zamora, the best case in US history, the best documented case. The first military officer to arrive on the scene got there. The bushes were still smoking. I mean the imprints on the ground of the craft, the footprints. They got diagrams of this stuff. And I spent five years going back and forth to SCORDIU, Mexico. I got to know the wife, Mary. I got to know the daughter Diane, the son Michael, his co -workers. I went to the National Archives with Ray Stanford. He wrote the book on it.

49:19It's a choral saucer at a Pentagon pantry, phenomenal case. And what I learned was that the Air Force, according to his own family, Lonnie Zamora's family told us daughter of this. I have this on camera. The Air Force wanted him desperately not to talk about the beans. They discouraged him to talk about the beans. And I tell you why it's one thing when you see an object, unknown object, like David Fravers saw up in the sky, exhibiting a technology that seems to defy conventional propulsion. And it's another thing altogether when you've got beans on the ground. The Air Force didn't want him talking about that.

50:03And that was one thing that his daughter and his wife told me clearly. And his wife said, Lonnie was never the same after that case. But so what did Lonnie see? Lonnie saw two beans, the base of an egg -shaped craft that was landed in an arroyo in SCORDIU, Mexico, in broad daylight. Lonnie looked out the window of his patrol car. He saw something that caught his eye and then this object landed. He drove. He was actually in a hot pursuit at the time. He gave up pursuit to go investigate what was going on. And he said, this is this object on the in the royal, on the desert, on the ground. It's such a well -documented case.

50:39And he rolls down his car window and he's looking out and he's going, to, am I looking at like an overturned car? What the hell am I looking at? And then he sees two little figures. He said they were childlike at the base of the craft. And one of them locked eyes with him. And his wife said he was never the same after that. But how did he describe them? What they were saying? They were childlike. They were small and had white coveralls, tight coveralls. This is a close encounter with the third kind. What do they say their faces look like? He didn't give a lot of detail. I've got the only, so I went to Lonnie's house.

51:16I got to know his wife quite well. Lonnie had passed a couple years prior to that. And I, I don't know how far down in the rabbit hole you want to go in this case, because we could talk on this case for three hours, but whatever. I could tell you that I got access to, he had this black duffle bag. And it was with his wife's permission. He had kept all the original news prints from the articles that had come out. And that's where I got the details. And he also talked about it in some recordings that I got from his family and other researchers. It's in the movie, The Phenomenon. And that's where I got the primary description, because it was Richard T.

51:50Holder. It was the first military officer on the scene. The FBI got involved later. And how long was that thing sitting out there for? The object was sitting on the ground, not for very long, just a few minutes. Lonnie saw the beans, and he went like a round to get a closer look. I mean, he was like, what the hell am I looking at? And he drove his car around to get a closer look, and he lost contact for a second, while he drove around to get a closer look. Now he's within 50 feet of this thing sitting on the ground. And he gets out of the patrol car. It starts making some weird noise, and it has a blue flame that comes out.

52:29And he said it was not like a rocket flame where it would hit the ground and dust everything up. But it pierced the ground like a knife through warm butter. And then when it got about 20 feet off the ground, it went completely silent with no flame. No nothing, you can hear a pin drop. There was a symbol on the side of the craft. It was in yellow, and it was about three feet tall. And it was like a V like this, two lines and a line on top. And let's get a photo of that symbol that he recreated. Yeah, you'll see fake symbols because Richard T. Holder asked him to draw a different symbol. I actually have the original symbol on a document from Dr.

53:07Huy. Why did someone ask him to draw a fake symbol? Because he said that if anybody else claimed to see the same craft with that symbol, they would immediately be able to identify a hoax there. Oh, so which was the real one? The real one is that one right there with the two lines in that upside down V right there. That's the real one. That's the real one. I've got the document in Dr. Jalen Heinrich's own handwriting. Ray Stanford and I went to the National Archives and found it. It was a huge find. So they did that on purpose just in case some copycat people started coming up. He did Richard T.

53:37Holder and I met Richard T. Holder's two kids and talked to them about it. I talked to his wife about it and they said, yeah, he was told that's not the genuine. That's the one right there, right there that you're looking at. That's the real one. No question. So anyway, my point is that is handwritten note over there that shows it. Yeah, that's definitely I've actually found the original one of the, that's it. That's the document that I found with Ray Stanford at the National Archives in 2013. This is in Dr. Heinrich's own handwriting. In close to just any resemblance to the, any draws the symbol of Sakura.

54:12Maybe we've, yeah. I mean, it was so genius move quite honestly. So this was the case that turned Jay Allen, huh? So yeah, so what happened was, Jacques Vollet was it right? That's what it looked like. Similar. So similar to a tick -tack. Yeah, that's what it looked like. But when it got, when it got to about 20 feet off the ground and went completely silent, no blue flame, nothing. The landing gear was retracted. It was just an egg. And it floated off in the distance. In fact, to the Lonnie, I've got an interview with Lonnie where he says that one of the officers who arrived on the scene actually saw it fly off in the distance.

54:48And it was witnessed by other people in the town that saw the same flying. Didn't the tick -tack, the people who saw the tick -tack and clueing Commander Fraver didn't he say that they were some sort of thing that almost looked like landing gear? No, there was something that they protruded out in the front of it or something. I don't know. But apparently the video, I think it was according to Fraver, the video is the one that's been out is a lot, the resolution is a lot worse than what other people had seen at the time. I remember I've been in pressure on David Fraver to say that to me. But, yeah, so I just recently went, I'm filming a new doc and I went to Washington, DC, for a month to get caught up on what's been happening, because a lot's been happening.

55:27While I'm doing moment of contact, there's an unprecedented effort in Washington, DC, to push for further government transparency. Marco Rubio, Senator Gillibrand, Andre Carson, representative Andre Carson, who got the congressional hearings that happened last year. Gallego, representative Gallego, and Gallagher, all been involved in others. So I got introduced some intelligence folks on the inside, and they wanted me to read this to your audience. And this is about evidence. So this was pretty much a reaction to the latest hearing that happened with Gillibrand. Just a couple of days ago or last week.

56:09I will remain anonymous. But I've been monitoring the UFO, and I met this guy, I know this guy, this guy's legit. The UFO, UAP activity, and the authorities response to them. I can assure you there's a lot more evidence behind the curtain that hasn't been released. First, our military are, and have been seen remarkable things in the sky in the oceans and on the land for years. Of those reported, where does all this information get stored? Authorities would have you believe that this data is destroyed, but unique data is stored somewhere to be reviewed later. And as someone that is seeing the classified holdings, I am very disappointed in the fact that Dr.

56:49Karpatric showed some of the most mundane videos to the public. I do understand that there are security factors to be considered. So I'm hoping that Senator Gillibrand saw something much more interesting in her closed -door hearing with Karpatric. And why did only two senators show up for the hearing? Had they lost faith in Karpatric already? I applaud Senator Gillibrand's efforts to find the truth, but I am more sure than ever that Karpatric is not the one. Hmm, interesting. So he's withholding some information. Yeah, these people went on camera for me. It's going to be released when the time is right.

57:22But I've got, yeah. Again, it's one of those things conveniently, like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown. It's so frustrating. I can only imagine. So frustrating. Christopher Mellon said that there's very high resolution photographs. He now has a, he just met with me in DC and he's now told me that there is satellite data. And the only reason why he talked about it is because Ratcliffe mentioned it. So he said, well, Ratcliffe mentioned it. So I'll mention the fact that Ratcliffe mentioned it. It's satellite data. And I was like, how good are the photographs? I want to know so bad.

57:58You know me. Like, come on, I've been looking at this for 30 years. Yeah. How good are the photographs? He goes, James. 4K, just think about as good as you can imagine of craft. And to know that, and I spoke to five other people that are part of the program or had the top secret, the clearances to access this. And they all confirmed. And it's like they're just on the other side of that curtain. Could like, could somebody just get those out here, please? Please. Do you think we're closer than ever to those things being leaked? I think that if we keep the pressure on, I think it's very important.

58:32One of the things that concerns me a little bit is that sometimes they could leak something that looks amazing, right? And then you put your fingerprints all over it and you send it out to the ether. And then it's a proven, it gets the bump. Right. So you got to be kind of careful if you don't know provenance. And so, I would imagine they would do stuff like that on purpose. Oh, these guys are so certain. They're like five steps ahead of us, you know. So, but, you know, I know what I know, not because I read it out of a book, but we're actually waiting to the field. I mean, I travel. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I was interviewing generals and cosmonauts in Russia back in the late 90s.

59:08I went to China. I went to Australia. I went to Africa. I went to Russia as I was just saying all across Europe. I really want to know. Like, I'm so curious. I don't like to go to location. I like to, like, give an example. I found out in China just a couple of years ago, there's a case that happened in 1994. The same time as Rua, called Mung Jaogwa in the Black Forest of China. And these guys in the middle of nowhere relayed the same telepathic message that the children received in Rua's Embabway in 1994 at Ariel School. And by the way, I did include a piece of that in the film that I did with the girl.

59:46I don't know. It's only like 10 minutes long. Quite fascinating. That's a damn good case. That's one of the 10 % cases that I talk about. But there's a film out now. I think it's called Ariel Phenomenon. And it's all just about that case. But those are the, should we get back to like, to 45 and work my way up? Or should you want to talk a little bit about moment of contact? We can, is the moment of contact is the case that could settle this debate once and for all. Or... Let's tease people for a bit with moment of contact. Okay. Because it is an amazing, amazing documentary. I won't go into details.

1:00:20I won't go into details. I'll just say this. I will, I put my reputation on the line for this. I get it. It sounds so spectacular. It sounds so unbelievable. But when you watch the documentary, it sounds less spectacular. Well, similarly, spectacular, but more believable. So here's the point. It's either the most elaborate, complex hoax that involves half the town of Virginia. There's like 130 ,000 people living there. I mean, I'd go down to the town square and just start talking to people. I did it the movie. And everybody's got a little piece of the puzzle. Most people have a piece of the puzzle.

1:00:54It's phenomenal. Or a UFO crashed. Live aliens were recovered. And the Americans, I was cashed by the Brazilian authorities. And the Americans stepped in and flew some of that back to the United States. And that's when the case goes cold. There's no... That's definitely the sexiest version. Well, yeah, there's no... Right. There's no in between. But you speak of the sexiest version. I was looking up the thing in 94 in China and thought about it across this. Oh good. Yeah, that's what I was saying. The most bizarre contact in China occurred in June 7, 1994 when... How do you say his name? Meng Zhao Gua.

1:01:27Meng Zhao Gua of Phoenix Mountain. Food... How do you say that? Fugian? Fugian. Fugian province. Province. Met a female alien. First, there was electricity between them. Then things got amorous. According to Meng, the female alien looked like a white monster. She was very tall, about 2 .5 meters in war, tight clothes with only her big eyes and private parts exposed. She did something to him that felt like an electric shock and he passed out. When he came round, he found several scars in his body. According to Wu, she planted something mung bean -sized in his body, into his body. Things were about to get even stranger.

1:02:07Meng had sexual intercourse with the female alien. She suddenly fell down on him. He could hardly move. His penis felt hot. Then ached. The experience was more pleasurable than anything he had ever felt. That's him. Yeah, then they gave him a light detector test. Any bastard? I didn't know he'd be here about that aspect. Does he encounter a lot of people about those? Especially crazy people. Yeah. I did not hear about that aspect of it. But any... I didn't go, but my point is... That's too as banging aliens. Yeah, respect. That's... It takes a lot of courage. But I was very attracted to the avatar lady, the big blue one that saves him.

1:02:43She's hot. So... She's hot. We'll go back here. Let's go back. I think she's hot. Let's go back because... I fucking switched right over to that. I am...

1:03:00So we'll get back to the moment of contact. I just want to say the last thing with the moment of contact. Then we'll get back to the other cases. It's either the case who've all been waiting for. The case that could settle the debate once and for all. Right? If it's true. Could you think of a more extraordinary... Let's just say hypothetically for a moment, it happened. Has all the witnesses stated it happened? How big of a story do you think that? It's an immense story because it means that they're real. If it's true, that it means they're real. It means something that we don't understand was in the sky, got hit by lightning, got caught up in a furious lightning storm and wound up crashing.

1:03:36And that these things survived and they got out. And the fact that one guy handled one of them and got this insane infection and died very quickly afterwards. And he was very young and healthy, military man. And the fact that all these people have the same story. They all have the same depiction of the disc, the craft. They have the same depictions of seeing these beings. Not one witness came to us. We had to track down every one of those witnesses. And there's a story behind each and every one of them that I could go on for an hour or four. I'm sure. I won't bore you with the details. But it's the first thing.

1:04:13Bore me. Bro, we got a gravity bomb over there. We could be here for days. Oh my God. I'll be like, I know. But there's nothing that goes better than marijuana and aliens. When I went every time I'd get back from Brazil, I'd get home and people. And I'm out there for a month, knocking on doors, talking to witnesses, chasing people down, trying to convince them to come forward. Like crazy. Yeah, this is not like us. A quick venture to make this documentary. 12 years. That's insane. And so, I'd come home from a trip in Brazil. And I'm telling you, man, it was like my mind was just torched. I was so, I mean, another alternate reality.

1:04:53I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm coming to the realization that this happened. When that man takes you to the spot and gets overwhelmed with emotion, he was gone for 25 years. Marco Leal, thank you, Marco and, and co. If I said, let's have a story. We got to find, we got to find Carlos to salsa. Yeah. Unless that guy is a Daniel De Lewis quality actor. We don't need Brad Pitt anymore, nor Leonardo DiCaprio. This guy, if he's full of shit, best actor. He's one of the best actors ever, because that moment when he gets to that spot and he's overwhelmed with emotion, he starts tearing up and he's freaking out.

1:05:30Like, just imagine if 25 years ago, you experienced something that literally destroyed your understanding of life itself in the universe, that there's a thing out there that can visit us that's different than us, and it's probably been here forever. My DP David Westman shooting for over 40 years and he's like, I've never seen anything like that. That guy was, that's about as legit as I've ever seen. He was so believable. Crying and, I mean, not only that, but it's like the guy disappeared. He's never made a dime off this. He gave one statement 26 years ago to a guy named ClodioCovvo. ClodioCovvo was an engineer and he was a researcher, UFO researcher in Brazil.

1:06:10Thank you, mate, Ureston Peace, ClodioCovvo. And there was a guy named Luba de Jada Rodriguez. He was a prominent lawyer. He's also investigated the case. We wouldn't know about this case if it hadn't been for a handful of dog and Brazilian UFO researchers. Pec, a chini deserves credit. This guy named Marco Petit, a J J Vard, how these guys? Virginia is about 130 ,000. It's like Boulder, Colorado size. Yeah. And the surrounding areas. But, you know, I was going to include like maybe like a, like I did with Rua in the phenomenon. I was going to include like five or 10 minutes of that case. And I just, I worked so hard for so long with so many people.

1:06:56And then I just deleted the whole thing out of the film. And I was like, oh God, Marco's going to kill me when he sees this. That I just didn't include any of it. Because I just couldn't squeeze it in. And there was too much. It was just too much. Well, I'm glad you did it that way, honestly. Because moment of contact is, it's really good. There's a few of these documentaries that I go, God, I shut them off. And I go, if that's real, holy shit, imagine being those people. Imagine being these people in this small city of 150 ,000 people. And then something happens and a fucking UFO crashes in a field and people witness it.

1:07:33And everyone is just stuck there. Then the military shuts the town down. Can you see this? Yes. This is Brigadier José Carlos Pereira of the Brazilian Air Force. Okay. I met with him with Marco on two occasions. The second occasion was two thousand. I found that camera. I'm so sorry. Would it be better? José. José. José. Yeah. No. Worse. Worse. Okay. This is José. You can look him up. José Carlos Pereira, Brigadier, Brazilian Air Force. Okay. So Marco and I met with him twice. The second time was two thousand and thirteen. He gave us an interview. Some of it's in the film. And he says, like, I'll talk about the 1986 UFOs over Brazil.

1:08:15I'll talk about the colada's case. It happened in the 70s. Phenomenal photographic evidence that's out there. You asked me about Virginia and this interview is terminated. Wow. It's like, what? What do you mean terminated? Like, really? So anyway, we do the interview and I was like, well, I'm not going to ask him, I guess. But when the camera stopped rolling, I was like, please. I mean, Marco and I were begging and pleading with this guy. And I remember looking at him dead square in the eyes. I said, I swear on my life, there are no recording devices. There are no cameras rolling. Please tell us about Virginia.

1:08:49Why did you have that reaction to Virginia? Marco was too. We were begging. I was practically licking this guy's boots. And he's getting prepared to leave and he's got a driver waiting for him outside. So we're following and pleading with him all the way out there. Please just tell us, please, I swear on my life, this happened. He gets in the car, doors open. He looks up at me. I'm only reason why I'm telling this because he died. He looks up at Marco and I and he goes, it happened. Close the door and off he went. Now, the reason why I share that is because that's something that I can put any weight on for the documentary for people like you, right?

1:09:24But as a personal message for me, knowing that level of validation on the inside, it kept us going. It was like, okay, why on earth would he have done that? Why on earth would he say? And that kept Marco and I going and that was a personal level of validation that. Is there any conventional explanation why the military shut everything down? Why they had military barricades set up around that area? No, they did try to say that the creature was this guy who got some deformities. But I've seen the guy Modine or something like that. But you talked to the witnesses. But why would the military shut the town down?

1:10:07Yeah, and then for the doctors in the hospital, they said there was a midget having a baby or something weird, just something that was just so ridiculous. And you talk to the witnesses and they're just like, oh, come on. That's laughable the best. You know, I mean, these girls came within eight to ten feet, three, three women, Katya, two sisters, Lilliani and Volkiria, 1416 and 21. They got within eight to ten feet and broad daylight of this creature. And one of the things that doesn't come across in the film, when they saw this thing, they're looking like, what are we looking at here? They're walking through this field and it's up against the center block wall.

1:10:50And one of them was looking at it. Is that what is that? And it was crouched by the wall. It was weak and feeble. And one of them kind of like screeched. Ah, like what is that? And it turned and it looked right at the girls, locked eyes on them. Lilliani grabs her younger daughter, her younger sister, who is 14 Volkiria and makes a high -tales that out of there. Katya is 21. She's frozen in her tracks, locked eyes with this creature and it's communicating with her. Please help me. It wants help. It's weak and it's feeble and it's scared and it's crouched down. Lilliani realizes that Katya is back there.

1:11:29She gets, I don't know, a hundred feet down the path. She leaves her sister, stay here. I'm going back to get Katya. She runs back. And I asked Katya and I asked all the girls. During that moment of contact, when you lock eyes, I know it's only a brief second, but during that moment of contact, what did you feel? Like put me there. That's where the title comes from, moment of contact, because that was when they locked eyes on this creature. And that's when Katya said, help me. I'm scared. And it was feeble and suffering. And it's a very powerful moment. And these girls have been saying the same thing, the mother.

1:12:04The first time I'd ever reported on these so -called, like men in dark suits show up and intimidate witnesses. To honestly, I've been hearing about those cases for so many times, but I've avoided them because it's got so much baggage from men in black. It's just ridiculous. I just didn't even want to be associated with it. But I heard it. I can go on until I'm blue in the face. I go out tomorrow morning with the amount of cases. With generals too. But this time when the mother said that these men showed up and tried to get the daughters to say they were lying and offered her a briefcase full of $100 bills, they could relocate.

1:12:36I don't know. For some reason, I said, okay, for the first time in 25 years, I'm going to report on these guys. And I did. And it's in the movie. You can hear the mother talking about it. And she's so emotional. And the mother came back to the location where it happened. The smell, that stench. And the footpin on the ground. I mean, everybody talks about that stench. They said, if you take like a skunk, multiply that by like a hundred thousand, that would give you some indication of the level of like, how putrid and nasty. It was paralyzing. And it stayed in, like it stayed in the areas, like at the hospitals when they did the x -rays.

1:13:11Everybody talks about it. That stench, though, it's unbelievable. It fills your naval cavities and doesn't leave for a week. It was incredible. And then they all said the same thing. And they couldn't get it out. They couldn't get it out. Yeah, they sanitized the hospital. The guy said that he had to close off that wing in the hospital while they were sanitizing it. Because it was so intense. You know, so I, how long did it last for? I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people. And even the mother said when she went to where the creature was, she said that the stench, even there, after the creature was gone, got in her nasal cavities and she tried to flush it out with water and saline or whatever.

1:13:51And she couldn't get it out of her nasal cavities. Really crazy. But they all did. I mean, everybody talked about that stench. You know, I mean, the military officer, the guy that drove the creature around. I was sitting across from him. You can't see his face, but I did. And I'm looking in this guy in the eyes. I'm thinking I could be looking at a guy that drove a fucking alien around. You have no idea dude. You have no idea how did he just run it? So fucking intense. When I came back from that trip, people were like, how was your trip to Brazil? What was it like man? They got great. You know, smoothies and coffee.

1:14:36I'm just like, you guys have no idea. I think, I think an alien's spaceship crashed. And they recover live aliens. And we made contact in the Americans. It came in. I don't know what I'm thinking about. So I told a couple people. On the last trip, I came back. I was just like, I was so rocked. I couldn't reintegrate back into culture. Joe, I was just like, fuck, I think this happened. It's the biggest story ever. So people were asking me, even my neighbor who runs like the, he runs that make -a -wish foundation. And he was like, James, he goes, bro, I like you a lot. I got a lot of respect for you.

1:15:14But you lost me on this one. And I was like, I don't blame you, bro. I really don't. But listen to the witnesses. Just, that's all I say. And I would tell people, and I realized I can't talk about it. All I can say is, just listen to the witnesses. Don't take it from me. But I'm looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe. And I've been at this for 30 years. I've made almost, I'm working on my seventh film right now. I'm looking this guy in the eyes, and I'm like, this guy probably drove an alien around. And it tripped me out so hard. And it ruined his life. He's, he's, to get this guy to go on camera, just like a week earlier, he was like, I don't care all the money in the world.

1:15:56I'm never coming forward. The risks are too high. How did it ruin his life? Because you're harboring this secret, you're being watched, you're being told not to ever talk about this. And you're looking over your shoulder all the time. And they call you, the military calls you periodically. They want to know where you are. And he's got this secret inside him that he can't tell the rest of the world. And he's thinking about all the different. Everyone's out there speculating, is it real? Is it fake? Is it real? Fake? And this guy drove a body around. Just think about that for a second. Think about the doctor who took the X -rays of this thing.

1:16:33Marco Leal, thank you, Marco. You're, you're the man. Marco Leal found him. Eight years ago. And he was like, he confirmed the story. He was still working at regional hospital. He was on the ever come forward. Marco kept going every year back and forth. And he retired. And four years after he retired, he agreed to meet with us. He wasn't even sure he was going to go on. And I said, look, man, we'll put you. We'll film you from the back. We'll disguise your voice. Showed his photographs to him at the hospital. We know he's been, we've been trying to get at him. Excuse me. At the end of the interview.

1:17:07He's the thank you. I feel so much better. I've been soldiering that burden for 26 years. And I've so desperately wanted to tell somebody. To share that story with the rest of the world. And you meet these people. And you think, why on earth? They didn't come to us. They're not trying to sell their story. We tracked them down and begged and pleaded with them to come forward. When I found Martha, the sister of the deceased military officer, Marco, it's easy. We were knocking on doors. I remember the sound guy from Rio de Janeiro. He was like, you're out of your mind. What are you doing? Can't just knock on random doors.

1:17:43I was like, man, if there's a will, there's a way. I'm going to find this lady. And we found her. And it was like this kind of sketchy area. You know, it's like when you get out of your car. And you could see people drawing the curtains back. And looking at you and you're standing out. Dude, I stood out like a sore thumb, man. And then we walked up. They had Marco with me. Thank God. And we had camera crews and stuff. It's kind of sketchy. And Martha appears. And her husband appears in this big. He's a big guy and he's got like a white beater shirt on. And he looks like he wants to rip my head off.

1:18:18And I'm like, and she's looking at me. And he's just looking at her going. Martha's looking at her husband. And her husband's looking at Martha. Like, give me the signal. I'll kill this guy. That's the fucking. And I was looking at Marco. And I was like, James, you need to think quick. Think quick on your feet right now. And I said immediately, please translate this. I'm here to give your brother justice. I'm here to get the story out. Please talk to me. And we developed a relationship with her slowly over that. And those are the first words that we exchanged. And we eventually got her to come forward.

1:18:48And we talked. She'd gone forward in the past. But she doesn't know who the hell I am. I want to take you back to the doctor. Okay. When you talked to the doctor, what did you describe? When you said that, that it was a normal day, January, 1996, it was regional hospital. It was every day and all of a sudden, all these military trucks and police cars showed up at the hospital. They come in, armed, and they got a bag. They got a thing in a black body bag. And he was like, what the hell's going on here? They're like, are you going to be taking some x -rays? And he's like, okay. And they had him inside and they had armed grubs.

1:19:28And I was asking him, like, what was it like? Because when I interview witnesses, I always ask them to project. Like, sometimes I'll even close my eyes because I'll use their words to recreate. So I'm like living it through them. Do you know what I mean? So I'll close my eyes. And I'll recreate the scenes in my head with their words. It's harder in Portuguese because I'm having to get it translated. But I ask questions like, what was the atmosphere like? Do we, is there any talking? No talking. Super tense atmosphere. Very tense. Arm guards on the outside. Arm guards on the inside. Military truck's turning.

1:20:06Nobody comes. Nobody goes. And he said, I first time in my history, in the history of my career, I took the x -rays and I couldn't even verify that they were good because it took them immediately. And then they said, this event never happened. He said, the stench note in the hospital was overwhelming. And he goes through the different x -rays that he took. The abdomen, the head, the arms, the legs, the thorax. And it was incredible. In fact, Ubud -Jada Rodriguez, if you're listening to this, he's one of the leading researchers who's gone quiet. Pekachini disappeared for 20 years. So did he get to see images himself?

1:20:45Did he get to see the body himself? Oh, he saw that. He was right. Well, they didn't open the body bag, but he was, he said, the stench was just overwhelming. So they x -rated through the body bag? They x -rated through the body bag. So he never got to see the... He did not see the alien. And he didn't get to see the x -ray images or anything? Nope, they wouldn't let him see a damn thing. Nope. Now there were two doctors. There was a guy named Roger Lear. Roger Lear found out. These are people that I really want to meet. I mean, people are coming forward and droves right now. We just got two forensic pathologists for the first time ever working together to come forward to make statements.

1:21:21And they're providing documentation of the of the autopsy reports done on the deceased military officer. That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward. It's happening right now. The proxies... Let's explain what happened to people who haven't watched the documentary to the deceased military officer. Yeah, so so right after the three girls came in, came within eight to ten feet of this creature or bean or entity or ET, whatever they want to call it, about an hour later when I was about three o 'clock in the afternoon, I would say probably maybe around five o 'clock. There were two military guys on patrol on the lookout for something unusual what they were told.

1:21:56They didn't take a UFO and crashed. They were on the lookout for something highly unusual. And it was Eric Lopes at the wheel and Marco Shreese, military police in the passenger seat. They were about a block and a half to two blocks away from where the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier. And this thing runs across the car in front of him and he had slammed his brakes on. And without a moment's hesitation, Marco Shreese jumps out of the car and grabs the thing with his bare hands. Yeah, and he puts it in the back seat and they drive it to a clinic and the doctor was like, what the hell is that?

1:22:31Get it out of here. I don't know what we leave. So they went to regional hospital and then ultimately, it went to Humanitas Hospital. And so we have testimony from military X that when he drove it from Humanitas Hospital, it's in the movie, but he drove it from Humanitas Hospital to as a military base where it spent the night, the truck for one night and then it went from there to espacix campinus. It's like a university. It's one of all the intellectual scientific heavyweights reside. And then it was there, I think, under examination, according to the witnesses that we talked to for a day or two.

1:23:02And that's when the Americans flew in to campinus. And we have the radar military control officer who came forward last year, actually, two years ago. When we were there filming for the last time, his name is Marco Fedis, F -E -R -E -S. And he came forward for the first time and said, yeah, in January of 1996, this plane came in, Usa, if you keep calling it, United States Air Force. Came in, it didn't have the authorization of the Brazilian government. He was like, this thing can't land. And some higher -up stepped into another room. This is all, this is his testimony. I'm just relaying it what he said.

1:23:35He said some higher -up came in the room, said, let it land. And it came in, it landed at campinus. And then from campinus, two helicopters, according to him, flew to Virginia, Brazil, Virginia, back to campinus. Then they loaded something on the airplane and then off to the United States. And that's where the case goes cold. So I will say this.

1:24:02One of the most exciting aspects for me to get invited on your show is that you've got a huge platform of a lot of people listening. I want to know, we all want to know desperately what happened when the United States took over. Where did this stuff go? Who was involved? Who flew that airplane? The flight records, all of these things. And so I'm asking you, please, please, if you're listening to this, to come forward and talk to us. This is an ongoing investigation. If you're too afraid to talk to me, there's new whistleblower protection that Senator Jillabran and Rubio and a handful of others just signed into law.

1:24:43You can go in contact someone like Andre, Representative Andre Carson. And there's a process you can go and testify until everything we know without fear of prosecution are violated in the NDAs. I beg and plead for you to do that. Now, excuse me, there are a handful of Congress people and senators that I believe are sincerely trying to get down to the bottom of this stuff. I've met with some of them and I've continued to try to meet with someone else. I'm working with a guy named Brian Bender. He's kind of consulted on the project. He worked for Politico and he's got great access as well. So the two of us are trying to, we're trying to address the evidence.

1:25:20The photographic evidence, the potential debris evidence, the potential body evidence. Where is it and who has the authority to release it? I've never really covered it. I know that I put my reputation on the line, Joe, and I totally understand for your audience that are listening to this right now. I'm thinking that I've lost my marbles. And I completely respect that. I had the same reaction myself and I'm not out here trying to sell crazy. I don't have a go fund me asking for money on evidence that I don't have. I don't not do any of that. All I'm saying is this is potentially the biggest story that we've all been waiting for.

1:26:00The story that in my opinion could settle the debate once and for all. This story happened in 1996 and the vast majority of the witnesses are still alive. People are coming forward and droves right now. Like I said earlier on the show, those two doctors coming forward, the forensic pathologist, you want science, they're given a science. They're given as the long form autopsy report. Leslie Kane is having it professionally and medically translated and she'll have it looked at by medical people that she knows. So that's an ongoing investigation. Just the fact that Marco Liao and we got access to those people.

1:26:37I was doing Zoom calls all last week, leading up to coming here, begging them and pleading them to come forward. Please. Do you? Oh my God, this is really what you want. This is actual footage. Of course we want footage. You saw what I showed you earlier. Yeah. Come on man, you think I'm like, you know, you know I'm going after. Oh no, I know you're going after it. But I mean that's really what we need. I know it's what we need. I mean, I'm telling you right now. It's so close. It seems like you just barely touch it. So close. It's like a movie when you reach it to the key. I know you can't quite reach it.

1:27:06It's just like, now you see it dangling right there. You're like, come on. And I get criticized out there. People are like, ah, no, I have no photograph again. I don't believe it's all garbage. Look, you got to start somewhere. Okay, it starts with the story. How are you supposed to go look at it to something if you don't even know it exists, right? So now we know that it exists. We've talked to people that have seen it. In fact, Michael Schellenberger called me up when the film first came out. And he goes, hey, this is Michael Schellenberger. I'm thinking about putting together an article with the New York Post.

1:27:38And I could tell he was kind of rocked by the story, right? He was like, man, this is pretty wild. I was like, yeah, I know. He goes, well, I'm thinking about putting together a rock. I said, well, if I can do anything to help out, just let me know. He goes, well, I want to know about the photographic evidence. I was like, okay. I was like, well, I could put you in touch with a couple of people that have seen it. And I was actually quite surprised that the New York Post wanted more than one source. They wanted two sources that could see it and describe it. And we made it happen. Pack of Cheney was shown.

1:28:07Video footage. He describes it in vivid detail. Go find the New York Post article by Michael Schellenberger. And I suggest your audience, please. Yes. Are you dead, B. Yes. Pretty cool. You know, and we know where it is. And we know who has it. Do you have it, Jim? And it's like, the frustration is, I remember one of the people that we approached on, we offered $100 ,000. And it was nothing. Then we offered $200 ,000. People claim they saw aliens after UFO crash landed in Brazil in 1996, documented reveals. And that's a trailer from a moment of contact. Yep. Scroll on down. I think a little further, you'll get details of the description.

1:28:46That's the drawing. That's the drawing that was done right after the incident and actually held the original print in my hands from Clodio Kovals' daughter. So was one of them dead and one of them was alive? Yeah, apparently. And look, there were up to accounts of possibly five. And this is another thing that a lot of people don't even realize when they watched the movie and it was shocking to me was that we stayed at the, we rented this house in this kind of gated community and it was owned by a doctor and they had fellow doctor friends. And they're like, oh, what are you doing in Brazil? What are you doing in Virginia?

1:29:21A whole camera cruise and caravans of camera gear and tripods. They're like, what are you guys doing here? We're like, here we go. Well, we're here to cover the Virginia UFO incident and the doctor goes, you know, my friends saw something that you might want to talk to them about. And we kind of chuckle a little bit of all of this. These guys are serious, the whole family side. So we actually go to their house and they are like, whoa, no, no, no. We didn't say we're going to go on camera. We just said we'd meet with you. We're not going on camera. I was like, well, what do you mean? We're not going on camera.

1:29:55Of course, you know, I'm doing a documentary. Oh, no, no. We'll tell you what happened. I said, well, look, we can film you from the back. We want, we disguise your voice. So anyway, so we do the interview. Reluctantly, these guys did not want to do it. But they described this craft that was looking for something that was laid into the night. Late, like probably 10 or 11 o 'clock at night. They were ordering pizza. Any Brazilian will tell you they like to order pizza late at night. And they said the whole family was watching this thing. And I kept saying to them, what do you mean it was looking?

1:30:29How do you know it was looking for something? They said it was going like this. Really low looking. So I'd shot my drone over the whole area. I shot my drone over the point where the girls had the contact. The point where Marco Shrizy and Eric Lopes captured the creature. And the point where the military blockades were. And I realized I took my drone straight up and I filmed straight down. And I show it in the film. The proximity to all those events is within a few blocks. The house, that the entire family witness, the very credible people that didn't want to come forward. That was just a few blocks away from the incident.

1:31:05It looks to me like that was a recovery mission, a rescue mission that was going down. I know it sounds crazy. Believe me, I know that. And I'm reporting my 30 year reputation online. Do you know what my reputation when I finished the phenomenon, I had a level of government access that I never thought I could possibly have as a complete independent Joe public guy, me. Right? I'm meeting with senators and just all kinds of intelligence folks. I mean, it's a dream. Like how could this possibly be? How can I have access? Well, I was throwing that, flushing that down the toilet by reporting on this case potentially.

1:31:41But I did it anyway because I was like, okay, I understand that I'm sounding crazy and I understand. You keep saying that, but I don't think you are. Well, I don't think you're sounding crazy at all. You don't? No, no, because look, I've been so much lacking. The town is obsessed with it. But I think people are very much married to their initial ideas. And when you have an initial idea that something like that is stupid and it's probably fake, I would have heard of it. It's probably fake. And then you're confronted with what you've uncovered. And imagine if someone hadn't gone through the exhausting work that you've gone through going back and forth to Brazil over a period of 12 years to make this documentary.

1:32:21Imagine most people would think that sounds like nonsense. I would have already heard about this. This, you know, this big, but then when you go to Virginia and you see that enormous statue of a UFO that's pretty wild, like who funded this? Why do they have this? Like, why is it a part of like, and the ET guys all over the place? He's a bus stop. He's in the downtown Plaza. It's like, damn. And the mayor, the sitting mayor, bearer, excuse me, thank you, by the way, for coming forward and sharing that information with us, mayor, bears. Mayor, bears helped us find, it was really funny. We were interviewing with him and I was like, this guy is going to say, what is he going to say?

1:33:04He's a sitting mayor. Right. And he's like, you know, I got to tell you, and I know a lot of the witnesses. I got to say, I think this thing happened. I really do. He goes, if there's anything I can do to help out, you let me know. I was like, oh, pull out your roll of decks. I want you to help me find Eric Loeb's. Eric Loeb's is the key. He's the only living survivor of the second capture. He was a driver of Marco Cherizio, right? The family of the deceased military officer, Marta, her mother could not get statements from Eric Loeb's. She said, every time they'd pressure him, he'd be smoking cigarettes and drinking and getting really nervous and just wouldn't say anything.

1:33:41She wanted me to go after her. She was like, we want a statement from Eric Loeb's. So badly, he's the only living person witness. So I said to the mayor, I was like, yeah, half you, well, you want to offer some help? Help me find Eric Loeb's. So he's like, no problem. So he does. So then we meet in the town square with a good connection. He was like a former chief, chief of police or chief military guy and his son, Homolo, who's a lawyer and prominent politician. And he goes, I'll take you out there to his house then you guys are on your own. So I was like, all right. So there's little voice as we're all getting in our cars and driving off to go see this guy.

1:34:21There's a little voice in my head goes, you know, maybe I should get him to walk up the door with me. So I jumped out of my car and I flagged down the Mercedes. That black Mercedes that we followed. And I told Homolo with the translator, hey, is there any chance you'd consider just walking up the door with me? I honestly think that had I not done that, he might have just opened fire on me immediately. Because who's this gringo guy walking up to his door on his property, asking questions about something he does not want to talk about? And when we got up to the door, I remember I heard talking as we walked up and it was a pretty intense moment because I had heard about this guy for years.

1:35:04But nobody could find him. He wouldn't talk to anybody. Got up to the door and there was a handful of us, cameras rolling. And I hear voices, I hear talking, but I can't see anybody. I'm like, where is this guy? Who are they talking to? And then I realized he was up in the window looking down at us. He had his arms on the window and he's looking out the window. And he's talking to Homolo and he's talking to the other translator. And I'm looking at this guy's face. And I saw a face, this does not translate in the film. I saw a face that I've never seen before. It was a face Joe that like was harboring a deep, deep, deep, like burdened with something so disturbing and profound that I was just, I just got lost looking at this guy's eyes.

1:35:52I was like, oh my god, I've never seen a face like this before. And he's looking out there in the whole time. He's threatening to shoot everybody. And I didn't know what he was saying. And the trans, everything was so chaotic. The trans writers weren't telling me. He said at three times, you don't get out of here. I'm a bull that's going to start flying. Like he's military, you know, a guy, like he's armed to the teeth. But I was looking at this guy's face and I'm looking at Dave, the DP, Dave West. And I'm like, I'm hoping that he's getting this guy's face. But Dave had the wrong lens and the guy was looking at my DP and he was going like this.

1:36:27Dave said he's never been more intimidated trying to film someone in his life. And he was like this and he had one hand under here like that. And he kept doing that to the camera guy. And Dave said he was trying to like zoom in on the face and it was going blurry and he couldn't, you know, it was very intense. And then a homelow looks over at me, turned me not out. We didn't, he doesn't speak, he doesn't speak English. And I don't speak Portuguese. I know very little. But that lucky gave me, that was like international. Like that lucky game is we're getting the hell out of here right now, right now.

1:37:02And he's like, I'll tell you later kind of thing. And then we left. And I asked him, I was like, was he serious like that guy? Look, all he had to do was come outside and be like, yeah, you know guys. And the first thing he says is, the first thing he says, all we say is Eric Lopes, Eric Lopes, Eric's not going to talk about the ET. That was the first thing out of his mouth. Like, why would you say that? Like, it's like the police showing up at your house and you open the door going, there are no drugs in here. It's like, well, I didn't ask that. But now that you mention it, okay, I guess you guys have drugs.

1:37:37And he's like, I can't talk about the ET. Eric Lopes could have just come outside and said, oh, this is a huge misunderstanding, standing, nothing happened. I'm so sorry that, you know, my name got dragged into this story. There's nothing to it. That's all he has to do and it's over, right? He didn't do that. He just threatened to kill everybody and said, I'm not talking about the ET. So that's very telling about what happened. And they just named it street after Marcus Shereezy three days ago. So it's an ongoing story. Excuse me, it's a fascinating story. And I'm going to hang my hat on this that if I have the right help, and we're all in this together, if there's enough compelling eyewitness testimony to make one think, this very well might have happened, doesn't that merit further investigation, doesn't that merit further efforts to solve this riddle once and for all?

1:38:27This debate's been going on for 80 years. I'm handing this case to the world on a silver platter and saying, help me, let's get this one done. Oh, imagine. If some of that autopsy photos got out, some video. Well, I'm talking to the doctors and I can tell you right now that the doctors all talk to each other and there were doctors that shot video of that creature. I guarantee it. I know that for a fact. And no one controlled that video, no one stopped them from doing that. No one got doctors from left to load in the room for a while with this thing. And here's something that I really want to put out there.

1:39:03Hopefully this gets translated into Portuguese and the people of Brazil will hear this. The doctors that were written about in Dr. Roger Lear's book, one of my biggest regrets. I was filming in Los Angeles 2013. I was covering the Ruiz in Bobway case and I had flown in all these witnesses with the help of this guy, Randall Nickerson. I had flown on all these witnesses to the landing case that happened in Africa as adults. And I was doing this really intense shoot down there. I had Kim Arnold, the daughter of Kenneth Arnold. So when Paula Harris helped me lock that one, the nightmare trying to get her on camera.

1:39:38And I just had so much going on. And meanwhile, I'm getting phone calls from this guy, Roger Lear, Dr. Roger Lear and he's going, I understand you're investigating Virginia. You got to get me on camera. You got to get me on camera. And I keep saying, I will. I'll try and I ended up, he really upset with me. And he's like, well, if you're not going to get me on camera, I said, it's not that I don't want to get you on camera, Roger. I'm so busy right now. He goes, well, what he didn't tell me was, I've got cancer and I'm dying. And please get me on camera because there's aspects of the story that you need to know that I know.

1:40:06So anyway, he died. He gives me these tapes. And then he dies. I actually, I sent the tapes back to him and then he died. And I got his book too. And I was reading his book when I'm putting the film together. And in the book, it's basically a transcription of all the tapes that I have. I could see that because I have the tapes. And he's got a professional translator and he's got this guy, Ubud Ajadur, Rodriguez, going around the country side with him and introducing all these witnesses. And it's all on camera except the meeting with, according to his book, that took place in the Humanitas Hospital with two doctors.

1:40:39I couldn't validate this and I didn't put it in the movie. But if there's two doctors who are listening to this, apparently the creature was alive. The one that Marco Shreese brought into Humanitas Hospital was alive. And according to Dr. Roger Lear's book, everything else was accurate. I can't say if this was accurate or not, but he put it in his book. So I'm assuming that it is. And Ubud Ajadur won't talk about it. He's a witness. There were two doctors that claimed telepathic communication with the live entity. And that's in his book. Now, I'm not telling your audience that that's true. I'm telling your audience that it might be true.

1:41:12We know that that entity, that creature, that being, that ET would everyone to call it. Went to Humanitas Hospital. We know that because we have testimony from the people that took it there. We have testimony from people on the inside that claimed it was there. But we don't have any testimony from the doctors that claimed there was a telepathic communication. Do they talk at all about what it said? It said that they felt sorry for the human species, not realizing their potential, who they really are. Like they're not. They don't, we don't realize as a race who we really are. That's what they said.

1:41:46It's in his book. So anyway, did they mean by that? That we're, that we don't recognize, I mean, I'm not quite sure. I guess that we don't recognize the potential that we have as human beings, who we really are. I'm not sure what they meant exactly more than that. But if Ubudajar Rodriguez is listening to this, please come forward and tell me who those doctors are. If the doctors are listening to this, they're still alive. What does it take? What will it take to get you to come forward? Anything. Just tell me what it, tell me what it takes. And I can tell people to contact me at my Twitter, I guess that's the best way to tell.

1:42:23Right? At James C. Fox. Is that, yeah, would it be the best way to do it? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm not going to give up my email. Don't give up. No, I'm not going to do that. But let's sort it out. I want, I want people to know about this case. And I want people to know that this is an ongoing investigation. This is not solved. This is an ongoing investigation. It's something that we could all hopefully unite and really push to get answers. Both on the US side and in the Brazil side. We have a lot more answers in Brazil. We've got not a lot going on. I know that Leslie Cain is pushing.

1:43:00She's contacting some of her people on the inside that have indicated that it did happen. But to me, one of the weirdest ones was Ryan Graves. Because Ryan Graves is explaining to me how they upgraded their systems. Sort of picking that stuff up. And they started instantaneously picking up these things. It was just defying physics. Yes. That they didn't have the ability to detect before. Because the systems were as good. Just interviewed him in Washington, DC. And you know one thing that he told him that I was fascinated by. He said that the admiral came in. I think it was in 2015 when they just gotten that.

1:43:32That one object that was kind of rotating, kind of like a disk -looking thing. He said that the admiral came in and he was like, oh god, the admiral's here and they had a debriefing on it. And they were showing the videos and the admiral stepped in. And he took a look at it for five seconds. And it's much longer than five seconds. He shrugged his shoulder and it's kind of like, oh boy. And he walked out of the room and I was like, well, what do that mean? He goes, that means, in my opinion, that he was very aware of this. This phenomenon is nothing new. It's been going on and they've known about it.

1:44:01But what can they do, right? What can you do? What can you do? You try chasing them. They fly rings around your jets. I mean, they're doing what they're doing. It's almost like they have their own agenda. Who the hell knows? But they're stationary. They're in the air. He goes, they don't have to recharge. They're 24 -7. Is it the gimbal footage? Yeah, it turns sideways. Yeah, I think it's called the gimbal. There's the go fast. There's the tick -tack. There's the gimbal. See if you can find that gimbal footage. The gimbal footage is fascinating. You can see it rotate. Yeah, see it do this thing that everybody just grabs.

1:44:28Taking it night. And I'd also like to put out there. If there are any pilots, any military personnel that have any photographic evidence and you'd like to come forward with it, please do so. I've got a new project and you can do it anonymously. Hopefully you'll do it anonymously. This is the thing. But whatever it takes. It's flying. And there's another one too, because it's slightly better. Maybe he changes the footage. I think he does. Yeah, there it goes. Yeah, that looks like kind of like a car. Change this way and then. With the clouds. Somewhere along. And it looks very similar to those things that we were just looking at.

1:45:04Those photographs. Very similar. It looks very disc -like. These are the tip. That's another thing that Senator Reed revealed to me during the interview. He said that. Here's it rotates. The objects. That's wild. He said that the material, the evidence that's been released. This was Senator Harry Reid. Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told me this on camera. The evidence that's been released is just the tip of the iceberg. Now, let me go through a couple cases. Do you mind? Please. All right. And the reason why I say this is because I talked to you earlier about that some UFOs, some UAP, I can't underline that word enough, represent or originate from a non -human intelligence.

1:45:49And I'm going to go through a handful of cases that I personally have looked into. These are cases that upon that could prove one way or the other certainly make a very compelling argument that some of these objects. So let's start with 1945. Trinity. Jacques Valladier just wrote a book with a woman named Paula Harris. Fascinating case, I met two of the witnesses. I went to the landing site, the alleged crash site. I'm very compelling. There's probably military records on that if that's the case. According to the eyewitness testimony, that should be looked into. Roswell. Now, I know your audience is going to say, Roswell has been beaten to death.

1:46:28And uh, but well, how about this? Let's say that my murder took place. Even though it's 80 years ago or 75 years ago, does that make it like, oh, well, so much times passed? Let's not worry about it. No. And the reason why Roswell is so relevant that most people don't understand is that you had the 509th bomb squadron. The most elite squadron hand -select unit in the world, exclusively responsible for the deployment of atomic weapons announced that they recovered a flying saucer. That's a fact. Okay. Then they recant and say, oh, terribly sorry. It was just a comment every day whether balloon.

1:47:10Jesse Marcel, the first person at the debris field with Mac Brasel, and thank you Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall for all your work. We wouldn't talk about this if it hadn't been for them and and stand for even. Mac Brasel takes Marcel and another guy, intelligence officer out of the debris field. Mac Brasel says this stuff was the material was clearly not of earth origin. I know whether balloons inside and out. He described the material like tin foil that you crumble it up and it regains its thing. These I these I beams that are purple with high -regulific writings, that things of that nature. He takes it back to his son who I met.

1:47:48Jesse Marcel, Jr., I knew him well. When I'm Larry King with the guy a bunch of times, he described the same material that he handled personally in his hands. Okay. The press conference they had with Colonel DeBose, Roger Raimi, and Jesse Marcel, two out of three of those went on the record on camera. Said the original story was true. That was the balloon story was a cover -up. Okay. You've got the FBI memo by J. Edgar Hoover in his own handwriting. He talks about in the SW case could be Southwest. The Army grabbed it and wouldn't let us have it for cursory examination. That's pretty compelling.

1:48:25You've got Paulo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who just so happened to grow up in Roswell. And when he came back on the outskirts and when he came back from his mission to the moon in the 70s, Paulo 14, six man to walk in the moon. He gets back and he knows all those ranchers. And those ranchers tell them that was not of Earth origin. He's gone on the record saying this and he also confirmed that his intelligence sources, he's an astronaut. He landed on the moon, told him that that Roswell was real. So based on just that alone, that's extremely compelling. And I know that Sheila Widenhall, the former secretary of the Air Force in the 90s under the Clinton administration, she went after that case because Clinton was went after that case.

1:49:07And they weren't happy with the answers they were getting. And then the Air Force comes up with Project Mogul. Well, if you look at Project Mogul, Project Mogul is just exactly the same explanation as the first one, except it's a bunch of these balloons string together. Paul Sowood, TANFOR, absolute ballooning. If the Air Force really wanted to squash it, show us that material that the first TAN eyewitness testimony that people that have gone on camera described, show us that material that crumples up from 1947. Show us those eye beings with hieroglyphics on it. Can I stop your hook? Sure, absolutely.

1:49:39The material that crumpled up, what's fascinating is it's exactly the same as what was described in the Fagini case. Yes, that's what Carlos D 'Alessio described, yes. This material was light like a little bit of foil when you crumple it and let it go. It was right back to its farm. It took back his shape, yes. So anyway, so that's Roswell. So someone has this. Yeah, supposedly. Yeah, supposedly. And someone probably has photos of this, supposedly. Yeah, there's a memo out that was found actually called the Wilson memo. The most researchers think it's a smoking gun. I've got it here, actually.

1:50:10The Jackie Gleason. Jackie Gleason's amazing. I'm a medic eye who nicks and things. Absolutely. And Jackie Gleason told my buddy, Jeff Sagancki, don't listen to what anyone ever tells you. I had 100 % confirmation these things exist. He didn't say that the president nicks and drove me out to a base in Florida. But he told them, don't listen to anybody says I know for a fact these things exist. That was really cool. Anyway, this is the Wilson memo. We should look into it. That actually came out of when Dr. Edgerman's will pass that leaked out. I think a guy named James Rigny had something to do with it.

1:50:42There's been analysis work on it. But this is considered a smoking gun evidence for crash materials and programs of that nature. There's a guy named Hal Putoff that's mentioned, Eric Davies is mentioned. Admiral Wilson is mentioned. Quite fascinating. It could be. I think there are other people out there like Richard Dolen. Who's the other guy, Ross Cole Hart. They know a lot more about this document than I do. But in any case, let's move on. Now you got 1950. Can I stop you one more time? You said Clinton looked into this, but wasn't happy with the answers you got. Yes. How did that go? What happened was Lawrence Bellman Rocketfeller was pressuring the Clinton administration.

1:51:20I know this because I talked to John Podesta about it and other people. He was basically saying that if you don't push for government transparency on this topic to Clinton, then I'm going to expose the fact that you're not doing it in every newspaper journal across the country. So Clinton administration goes, okay, fine. What do you want me to do? Which case? Pick a case. And they said, I want you to go after Roswell. So Clinton went after Roswell. They were not happy with the answer they were getting about Roswell. That's that's that's that side of the story. I mean, Podesta basically said, yeah, we looked into it.

1:51:55They eventually came back with that report. Roswell case closed. And they talked about this stupid weather balloon. It was the project mogul. Project mogul is exactly the same damn weather balloon. Just a bunch of them strung together. Same damned, same excuse, same thing. Anyway, let's we'll move on. Go to 1950. You've got a couple. I was talking about earlier. Everyone Trenton or Paul, Paul and everyone Trent. Photograph a disc. It's very credible. McManville, Oregon. Very good case. 52. You've got the two consecutive weekends in July of 1952. You've got UFOs over the White House and UFOs are the capital.

1:52:34You have testimony, thank God to a guy that guy was in the radar room that night that heard the transmission between the pilots that will scramble to intercept these things. Al Chop. The guy named Tom Tulian of Project Archives. Thank God got him on camera. Thank you, Tom. And you get to hear testimony of a guy who's listening to the pilot flying at 500 miles an hour in the pitch black over the Capitol. And he's surrounded by UFOs. And he's radio and back to the tower going, what do I do? And they were all silent. Now the interesting thing about this is that the Air Force was in full swing. The air but press conference was the biggest press conference since the termination of since the end of World War II.

1:53:16It was General John Sanford. And he basically says there are credible people making incredible claims. And we don't think that it's us. But the Air Force in 1952 refused to let the public hear the test of of the pilots like duh. Imagine not hearing from David Fraver. How are you supposed to put together a story if you can't hear from that? You got a public like you got a public project blue book and you're not going to share with us. I mean, Rupert wrote a book about it. It's amazing. That case in 1952 is phenomenal. That's a fantastic case. Jacques Flauze convinced that they had orders to shoot these things down.

1:53:53That one of them piece a piece did fall down and it was captured. We had an argument about putting it into the phenomenon. And I ultimately said, Jacques, it's hearsay. I can't do it and I didn't. But Jacques convinced that we have a piece of that from 1952. Fast forward, 1955, Alabama. William T. Coleman, United States Air Force, World War II pilot, flying a B2 -5 bomber. He describes along with there was another, there were two engineers from Lockheed Martin and Boeing, I think, in the cockpit. They see an object about roughly 9 ,000 feet. They chase it, ends up at treetop level. He told me, and I interviewed this guy personally at his home in Florida.

1:54:31He said that the chase was so dramatic at the end, the disc was right in front of them. They were at treetop level at maximum continuous power. I said, what did that mean? He goes, if I went any faster, the engine was going to blow up. He said, I thought I was going to hit this thing, this disc. And they're all just like the hell it was a broad daylight. What are we looking at here? And the disc is eventually, he has to turn to avoid hitting the disc and, this United States Air Force Corps in a William T. Coleman. He has to pull up first because he said, if he dipped to the right, his wings would have hit the trees.

1:55:05So he pulls up, dips to the right, misses this thing, closed nearly, and when he gets regained sight of it, it's skimming across a recently plowed field and it's stirring up dust in the back of it. The plane lands, they give their tests, they're running all three of them. This is a high -to -project blue book. He was later put in charge as public spokesman for Project Blue Book. William T. Coleman, look him up. You don't have to do it now. But the fascinating aspect of it was that report was never included as Project Blue Book. The better the case, the more credible the witnesses, the less likely you'll ever hear about this, okay?

1:55:40Fast forward, 1957. Edwards Air Force Base. I personally interviewed Mercury Astro -Nought Gordon Cooper. Gordon Cooper told me on camera that they were supervising the installation of a new runway, F -86 for F -86 fighter jets at Edwards Air Force Base. He was not present, but his camera crew was. A disc in broad daylight came, came into view, and it landed on the dry -like bed. The guys turned their cameras on it, they filmed it, they walked towards it and lifted it off, and it shot off at a high rate of speed. It was 1957. He said he had the film footage developed. He told me this all on camera.

1:56:18He had the film footage developed, he held it up, he saw it was probably good footage. He's phoning the higher -ups, eventually a courier jet comes in from Washington, D .C., footage was taken, never seen or hurt from ever again. Typical, right? So, let's fast forward. Let's go to the 60s. I talked about that case earlier, 1964. You got the landing, Laundies and Mora, right? You got the close encounter of the third kind, one of the most well -documented cases in U .S. history. What does the Air Force do? Air Force tells Laundies and Mora of the Witness do not talk about the beans, because that is incredibly difficult to explain, right?

1:56:52In fact, I don't want to talk about the case at all, but particularly don't talk about the beans. 1966, you got UFOs landing in Michigan, you got then -Congressman Gerald Ford gets involved, because that's when the Air Force Dr. Heinec explains the whole thing away as swamp gas, pisses off then -Congressman Gerald Ford. He puts it for congressional hearings, those happen. As the hearings are ending, April, I think it's April 4th or April 5th, 1966, there's UFOs landing on the other side of the world at Westall Primary School. It's an incredible case. Over 300 witnesses, including the science teacher, why I got on camera.

1:57:31So, let's go to, let's see, why don't we jump to the 70s? We got 70s, 1973, Lieutenant Coin encounters the UFO in a helicopter. The UFO momentarily takes control of his helicopter. He testified at the United Nations in 1978 that was put on by Lee Spiegel and Jacques Foulet and Dr. Jalen Heinec, fascinating case. We can go to December of 1980. I talked about that case earlier, joint US military base in England, bent waters, rannesum forests, got a landing, housing nuclear weapons, you got the deputy -based commander, you got all these men talking about this crap that's sitting on the ground, fascinating case.

1:58:11We'll go forward to 1986, Anchorage, Alaska. You've got JAL airlines with the Japanese pilot by the name of Kenju Tarrachi. And fortunately, the reason why we know about this case is because FAA, official John Callahan, kept records of the cockpit recordings, the radar recordings, the voice recordings of the actual pilot talking about what he's seen. Absolutely mind -boggling that directly correspond to all the radar data which he has. He went on the record about it a number of times. And he said there was a meeting with the CIA, and I'm just reporting what this guy said. You guys believe me or not?

1:58:53Believe me? The data's out there. Go look at it. It's a thing I did call them. I know what I saw. He testified at the National Press Club in 2007 with Leslokin and I organized as to what was going on. He kept that radar data, fascinating case. The pilot, Kenju Tarrachi, said it dwarfed his airplane. It followed him around. It did maneuvers that were impossible. It made his airplane so small and he was in a 747 and 747s got an elevator in it. That was 1986. Now let's jump to 1989, 1990. You've got Belgium. And I've personally investigated this case. Belgium, the Brazilian Air Force, General Wilford De Brouwer, said there was objects that were the size of a football field, trying to go in shape, didn't make any sound of it in a slight buzzing, shooting beams of light down to the ground.

1:59:44I interviewed De Brouwer. I flew him out from Belgium to the United States, to testify at the National Press Club in 2007. He said that two men from an unknown government agency in the US requested the radar data, the tapes. He said, sure, I'll make copies for you, but I need an official request. They wouldn't do it. He was all, well, that's awfully puzzling. This is General Wilford De Brouwer going on camera with me. I know that's what he's told me. Now let's go to 1994. Now we've got a landing in Africa, Ruiz and Bobway, aerial school, roughly 100 witnesses, fascinating case. Dr. John Mack investigates the case.

2:00:20He's actually getting funded by also Lawrence Spellman Rockerville. He was doing a major funding in the 90s about this stuff. One of the best cases, Ruiz and Bobway, 1996. You got the crash in Virginia, Brazil. Now let's jump to 1997. You've got Phoenix, Arizona, March 13, 1997. You've got a number of objects. One in particular that caught my interest was a boomerang shaped craft that according to the witnesses, and everyone was out on the night sky to get a glimpse of hellbob comment at the time. So a lot of people saw that floated across the state of Arizona roughly around five o 'clock to 830 from north to south.

2:01:00I even interviewed families that were lying on their backs. It's all I have it all documented. Lying on their backs and they said this thing was so huge it took four minutes to pass over our house. It looked like it was going to land. Well I also interviewed the governor, five Simon Ten. He too saw it and said that he launched his own investigation with Luke Air Force Base and they had sent planes intercept this thing. He investigated Luke Air Force Base. He contacted his people at the Pentagon. They shrugged the shoulders and said we don't know what the hell that thing was. It had the ability to move very slowly and went in and accelerated and took off and took off and the blink of an eye was gone.

2:01:36Okay so now let's go forward. Let's go to let's say 2004. You got the NIMIC case off the 200 bottles off the coast of San Diego. We all know about that case. David Fraver. They've got photographic evidence right, flier footage, four people that saw it. They chased this thing and flew rings around. I mean Fraver describes the technology of that thing displayed made a joke of their F -18s. Fascinating case. 2006 we got a O 'Hare, Chicago O 'Hare Airport. Terminal 17 you got half the crew United Airlines seeing a disc hovering over the airport. It hovers there for several minutes. There's a guy John Hillencoder.

2:02:17I think his name is John something. He wrote an article about it. He actually sent a FOIA request and got the tapes from the tower. You hear them talking about it while they're looking at it. It's an amazing case. When the disc, according to the United Airlines people, personnel left the area. It punched a donut hole in the cloud. Burrilliant case. They said it was weather phenomenon. Is that recording the recording of those traffic controller guys talking about it? Is that available? Absolutely. It's out there. You can find it right now. Let's find it right now. Let's go to 2008. Steve is going to find that.

2:02:51We'll get to play that as soon as you find it. Stevenville, Texas. You've got an object that was so described to be so big that you could land an airplane on it. I interviewed one of the best witnesses, civilian witnesses. I have police officers that I interviewed as well. So I interviewed this guy named Ricky Surles. I tracked him down and with the help of Angela Joyner. Ricky Surles was one of the best witnesses. He was a deer hunter. He said he was going out. It does. He's got his rifle and he's looking down. He's careful not to step on the dry leaves to make the cracking sounds and scare the deer.

2:03:33So he's looking down and he suddenly feels like something's up. He looks above him and he sees this object right above him that's so big. He said he couldn't see the edges from any direction. So he gets his rifle and he points his rifle up and he's a metal worker too. He said I was looking through the scope and I was examining the metal. He said I'd never say anything like it. No rivets, no seams, no weld marks. He had these recessed cones on the top. So quick, had I blinked, it would look like it just disappeared in place and it didn't do what you think it would do like that. It went like that.

2:04:08So anyway, so I'm interviewing him. You're saying this all audio too. Oh yes, I'm so sorry. So it didn't it just shot straight up in the it didn't go like a saucer skimming across the water. It just shot straight up in the air and he said it was so big that you could have easily landed an airplane on it. So anyway, so I'm interviewing this. I mean, I've been other police officers and I'm investigating this case for a couple of years. I put a lot of it in the part I'm about to share with you right now. I didn't put in the film because I couldn't but the guy who's going to come he's going to come forward next here and that's the police officer that pulls me aside and I'm filming in downtown Plasas Stevenville probably in 2009 and I was standing there doing some filming with Ricky Sorrell's and it was like kind of like on a lunch break and this guy walks up to me.

2:04:54I'll never forget it. And he whips out his badge and he's like you James Fox and I was like oh god, what did I do? And he shows me his badge and he's like I'm officer so and so can I talk to you for a minute? Yeah, okay. So I go off to a cafe. He sits with his back to the wall and you see him coming forward. He says everything Ricky Sorrell is telling you was true. I want you to know that. I said, how do you know? He said we all watch it the entire police force. All watch this thing and it was like a department store. I pulled out my radar gun and I shot my radar gun at this thing and it was doing 22 miles an hour was floating like a city.

2:05:33It was actually colossal. He said one of my mates took dash cam footage of it and one of his biggest regrets was they ended up with the local Air Force base and they and they took it. He's going to come I know. But I'm saying that the reason why I'm saying this is because those people out there that are possibly hopefully listening to this podcast. If they know where this evidence is or if they were involved in this in any way, shape or form they want to come forward, please come forward. Now's the time. So that's an incredible case Stephenville, Texas. Did you find the audit recording? Yeah, which I've actually found a couple of them.

2:06:08Yeah, which one specific. They'll say so and so took a photograph of it. Oh, sorry of the it's the 2006 Oh, Harry UFO incident. It's phenomenal. I'm trying to remember the name of the gentleman John something that wrote the article. It was exploded all with headlines. That you are so good at recall with all this stuff. You can really tell that you've been obsessed with this for so long. It's so fascinating to watch your mind like go through these cases and remember all these details with barely even looking at notes. It's all just I have every time I get up and I do something like this, Joe. I'm representing all the witnesses that have trusted me.

2:06:52I'm sorry.

2:07:01I'm representing them.

2:07:05So when I hear Dr. Kropach say what he said it's a personal assault. I don't know why you're talking about it. Well, he just dismissive when I hear the thing. I take it personally because when I'm out there talking to people like you on these platforms, I'm sorry, it's just tense for me. It's like I represent these witnesses. When I'm a voice for them, I come out here and I represent them and they trust me. And that means a lot to me. So sorry. Oh, just no, I get it. Listen, man. It's just like you're you're passionate about this. It means something to you and that's one of the reasons why your documentaries are so good.

2:07:46I give a shit about the facts. Listen, man, if you're right and if this is real, this is one of the most important things to talk about. And if it wasn't for documentaries like yours and Jeremy Corbells and a few of the other ones that are out there, it wouldn't be as big of an issue with people. They wouldn't think that this was real, that there's weight to this. And you know, like I said, when I heard about the Virginia case, I remember thinking, oh, come on, people lie. That's I always think that. I always think, ah, people, because they do. Some people like to lie. Yeah, no question. But that's not that simple.

2:08:24That one's very complicated. That one's very complicated. And again, that man who goes to the spot where he saw that 25 years ago, he starts crying. And Jesus Christ. I tell you, Do you know that I showed him? I interviewed military ex as you know, he's in the movie. But military ex, it's in the credits. Military ex said, for the first time, it all started at my Alini farm. My Alini farm is where we took him for the crash site. Was there any indication on the ground? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I flew the drone over the crash site. I'm in the car. I just got to go to conference. And this guy pulls me aside and he goes, hey, James, I just watched your movie moment of contact.

2:09:13Holy shit. He goes, you know, I'm a geologist. That ground at the impact site has been tampered with. I said, thank you because I'm not a geologist, but I took my drone and I flew it over. It's in the movie. You can see it. You look down at that site. And that area looks so different than everything around it. It looks so different. According to Sousa, there was some sort of acid like that was burning from the craft. And that acid is what smelled so bad. And 26 years later, you can see it. Excuse me, it looks very good. So it's acid from the craft, but it was also the biological smell of the beans.

2:09:50That too. Yeah. It was a bunch of different. Yes. I mean, and so does he think that someone excavated the site? Well, all I know is what I was told, I went to Roswell 50th anniversary and I met with people, lots of witnesses at Roswell at the 50th anniversary. I was in my 20s. And they said that people were shoulder to shoulder on the ground picking up pieces. And after that, they lit it on fire and burned it. And then they bulldozed it. So I would imagine that they might have done the same in Brazil, but I don't know. You know, one of the things that didn't end up in the film, I don't know why.

2:10:27I was like, I talked out of it or something. We met the farm hand at my early any farm. And he was talking about the neighbors all saying they heard a huge boom. It happened like five o 'clock in the morning, 4 .35 a .m. something they heard a huge boom. And there are other witnesses like truckers that saw it too, were that actually gave some testimony in 1996. And I couldn't track it down. But again, it's an ongoing investigation that truckers saw the thing. There was the farm hand. And there was Carlos Sousa. And I love him to death. But there was a statement I think I haven't seen it, but I've heard that he made the one time was that the truck, the military trucks arrived within minutes of him getting there.

2:11:09But he's also made a statement that they were there or they were pulling in when he got there. So there's a couple of minutes to describe and see. I don't know. You know, I believe the guy, if the guy was highly traumatized, he had a visit and his life was threatened. And he was pointed at gunpoint to get out of there. He guy goes in hiding for 26 years. Could it be that he remembers it a little bit differently? Could be he described it one way back then and another way now. Just exactly the same, but that the military trucks were either there or already there are coming. Just a little variation.

2:11:40That's very possible. Yeah. Just forgot it definitely. That's not as important as what he saw. No. And then like I give you another example, like you know, Carlos Sousa is convinced that that was on the 13th of because he was going, he's an ultra light pilot and he's also like a history or geography professor in São Paulo that it was the 13th of January. And the girls saw the creature on the 20th of January. How did those creatures get from the crash site to the to the town? Well, there's a river and I've talked to some researchers that think that that's possibility because the river goes from the crash site right to the area where the creatures were found.

2:12:13Could it be they got in the water? I don't know, baby. I have no idea. And what do they do for six days? I have no idea. So the crash was six days different from the crash happens according to the witnesses according to Sousa, he's convinced it happened on the 13th and the girls and they know they know they saw the creatures on the 20th. So you see I'm saying like and then how did they get what happened during that period?

2:12:43What go fedeth F -E -R -E -S? He said it was January. He was like, oh, 20th or 21st? He's like, yeah, he's like, I think it's 20 or 21st, something like that. So it's somewhere in that. Oh, totally. Right in there. And the plane lands without authorization from the Brazilian government and it lands in Campinas. And then the helicopters go from Campinas to Virginia. And then they go from Virginia back to Campinas. They load something on the airplane and the United States Air Force takes off again all without any authorization from the Brazilian government. And that's what these guys are saying.

2:13:21Every single military person that we met with, we put a lot of little nuggets in the in the credits at the end. They all said the Americans were involved because I didn't know what I went into this. I had no idea. This is a fascinating thing that they would listen to us. It's absolutely fascinating. And I want them to come forward. People on the US side come forward. Please we need your testimony. This is the case that could solve this riddle once and for all because the people that saw it were alive and seems like there's real footage and real photography. What would you do? What would you do for the footage of the creature?

2:13:54You personally, what would you do for it? Would you go to Brazil? I'm just asking. Just to get it? If you were guaranteed to get it when you got there, would you go for it? If I was you? You, I'm talking you. I'm just curious. You wouldn't do it. I'm busy. I know you. I'm putting it in the air. Yeah. I'm not going. Okay. But if you go, I'll definitely watch the video when you bring it back. Yeah. Logan Paul, Logan Paul was like, well, I want to guarantee you. I said, Logan, there are no guarantees in life. There's deaths and taxes. Okay. Well, especially to a guy like you's been chasing this for 12 years.

2:14:26Well, that case, yeah, I know it's well, you know, I mean, I look at Marco Layout and look at these other researchers and I tip my hat to them, but it's amazing. It's phenomenal. It really is a look. It makes sense that we're not alone. And it makes sense regardless of a people like Neil de Gras Tyson. Oh, like I can't believe you just said that. Yeah. Okay. So here's my thing. We love Neil de Gras Tyson. He is a treasure to the world. He makes science exciting. He gets children interested. The guy is gregarious. He's funny. He's wicked bright. But when he talks about this aspect, UAP or UFO, we all cringe because he clearly doesn't know.

2:15:12And he goes right to ET. I'm like, nobody's screaming from the hilltop. ET is landed. We're saying that there are structured craft of unknown origin exhibiting a technology far beyond anything that we comprehend.

2:15:28According to know where they come from, we'd like to know. And I said in Neil de Gras Tyson, I'm serious. And I hope you don't take this the wrong way. But I'll put $25 ,000 on the table right here and right now. If you watch as the phenomenon and he has the same position after watching that evidence that we put together carefully with the help of Jacques Valle and many others to present that case to a jury. If he has the same viewpoint after he watches that film, you tell me, pick any organization of your choice, nonprofit, and I'll give $25 ,000 to that organization. I don't think you're going to change his mind with that document.

2:16:03No, I really don't. What he's going to say is, what he's going to say is, clearly there's something going on because I even got Michael Schirmer, who's skeptic magazine, is like, wow, this is intriguing because you know, you know, you know, he's publicly stated now that the preponderance of evidence is now, it leans in the direction of it being real. Yeah, no, it's not. Look, the phenomenon is real. The only speculation is what is it? What is it? You know, people jump to conclusions quickly and they start talking about babies floating in incubators out of Alpha Centauri and that's when you just lose everybody.

2:16:36It's like, whoa, hang on a second. Nobody's saying that. What we're saying is there's a physical phenomenon taking place, nuts and bolts, craft that are flying rings around our fastest jets that have leapt imprints on the ground or picked up by radar sensor, photographic sensors, flare sensors. They're seen visually. Some cases, people claim that we've recovered them. Okay, but let's just forget even if that aspect of it, let's just say that, you know, the David Fravers of the world and there's cases dating back forever. I mean, really credible cases. What are those? Is it us? Wow. Well, if it's us, they sure have been hiding some revolutionary technology for over 75 years.

2:17:18That in itself is a huge story. They've got things that fly without wings, without visible means of propulsion, without making any sound, any air disturbance that can do right angle turns at high speed. Everything we know would shatter on the inside of that cockpit, particularly humans. So what I'm saying is we've, we know that, we know that five or 10 % of this represents possibly originating from a non -human intelligence. That seems to be the direction we're leaning in. So when Neil deGrasse Tyson comes forward and says what he says, I'm like, you're just not, I've had intelligence folks go, God, I'd like to talk to that guy.

2:17:55Just with the weirdest one he says is that why would they be interested in us? Which I find hilarious. Why wouldn't they be interested in us? Yeah, why wouldn't they be? Of course, especially once we develop nuclear technology. Totally. I mean, I mean, we could fuck up. We're crazy at territorial it has to be a correlation there. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. It only makes sense. It literally only makes sense. Really? You're an alien life form that is interested in the development of intelligent life in the universe. You would realize this is probably a percarious balancing point when they reach this apex of technology, especially when it comes to nuclear power.

2:18:32And especially when it comes to like what we have available here on earth in terms of natural resources and we battle for it and we control, we're territorial, we control territories. We're like we shoot at these things. Warlords. We shoot at these things. Yeah, we shoot at these things. And we certainly have in the past. So I mean, I think they're probably beyond our ability to interact with them in that way. They're probably so sophisticated that they're well aware of guns and things that could damage them and injure them. But when you think about things like storms, like the Varginia case, like how do you account for I mean, the amount of energy in a lightning storm is fucking insane.

2:19:20And if they just plan it wrong, which is possible, something shifts. I mean, we're assuming they don't have control of the weather. We're assuming they perhaps miscalculated or got bad data. Who knows? Or just a weird phenomenon where things I would imagine that even as technology increases, there's going to be risk in everything, just like with everything in life, with car accidents and plane crashes. And I would imagine that even at super advanced alien level technology, there's probably the potential for a crash. All right, so speaking of crash, this is something I really wanted to read to your audience.

2:19:59This is the recent UAP amendment or legislation that was signed into law. I'm reading this directly verbatim, okay? And I'd like to know what prompted this language. Any activity, thank you, Senator Gillibrand and Rubio and others, any activity or program by a department or agency of the federal government or a contractor of such a department or agency related to unidentified anomalous phenomena, including with respect to material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering, research and development, detection and tracking, development or operational testing. Now that's right here. You're looking up the UAP legislation.

2:20:50What prompted that? What prompted that? What prompted the whistleblower stuff?

2:21:02I mean, what does it say? Protection for individuals making authorized disclosures, okay? Shall not be subject to a non -disclosure agreement entered into by the individual who makes the disclosure. Shall be deemed to comply and it goes on. Does that not say something that Congress and the senators are getting wind of what's going on? Why would they put that language in their reverse engineering, recovered materials? I mean, come on, man. It's pretty compelling stuff. Well, I'm sure they're hearing more than what we're hearing. Oh, they definitely are. We're hearing a lot. They definitely are.

2:21:45Listen, if it wasn't for people like you, I mean, in your documentaries, it just spurred so much interest and it gets people so excited that, you know, when I watched it, I immediately had to talk to you about it. I know, I got your text and I was in a workout room. We have this old dad. It's called dad bod class with this guy Marty's Australian and we're in there listening to like what's that song? Rocky Balboa? Come on. I'm a tiger. We're laughing at ourselves. We're doing our weights and everything and I always keep my phone by my side because my son is in school. He's eight years old and I got to be available as a parent like something goes wrong.

2:22:27And I hear this. I was like, oh, damn, I'm doing my thing. I go in there. Look, and it says unrecogn, unknown number could be Joe Rogan. I was all excused. It's squeezing me. Anyway, that was that was really funny. That's funny. That was really funny. I want to know your favorite part. If you don't mind me asking this, what's your favorite part of moment of contact? I don't know if I have a favorite part. Going over the whole documentary, it might be when that man starts crying, when that man goes to that site and he starts crying because it's so intense. And you just imagine being a person who has this extraordinary once in a million lifetimes event, where something from another world, something you can't believe is real, something crashes down and you're there to experience it.

2:23:16And you're of a handful of people. I know, right? And you have this memory burned in your psyche forever and then someone brings you back to that site. And that guy was just overwhelmed. That might have been my favorite part. I mean, I think it's the doctor and the military actually drove the creature around. I looked at that guy in the eyes. Yeah, I was like, I could look him in the eyes too. Oh, man, that was so intense. And I met him a couple nights prior to that and it was just just sussing him out. It was just it was an incredible opportunity. Hey, do you mind if I acknowledge my family for all their support?

2:23:52Sure, please do. I want to acknowledge my family, Rebecca, my son, Ollie. He's been so supportive of me. Shout out to Ollie. Yeah, I said, not to my son, Ollie, my sister Kelly's been working so hard on my cousin Ian and my other sister, Janine and Emily and Felix. You guys have been so supportive. This is an incredibly laborious thing you've done. You know, the amount of time and effort, especially this Brazil case. How do you walk away from a case like this if you think it's true? If you think it's true and you're you, you can't. I mean, you can't. You must count. You can't. It's so important.

2:24:24You can't let it go. You can't put it down. It's just like you have no choice. Like, what am I going to do? I had this guy walk out to me one time and he goes, why do you do what you do? You're so compelling. What what gives? I said, well, let me ask you a question. If there was tangible evidence being withheld, I'm not saying this is a fact. I'm just saying hypothetically, if if this was going on and if it was being kept in the general public that there's evidence that suggests we're not alone, how significant of a story would you give that? And immediately he's like, oh my god, if that was true, that would be the most important thing ever.

2:24:59I mean, that's, that's what we all want to know. And I said, well, I'm convinced it's happening. So how do I walk away from it? It's almost like what you love kills you, you know? Well, I don't think it's killing you. Well, I think I think almost did with Eric Loaf. Yeah, that was sketchy scene. Those sketchy scene. I think it's important and I think you should be praised. And I think that if this case is real and if these people are telling the truth and my god, it certainly seems like they are, it's unbelievable. I mean, the confirmation that some, and what's fascinating to me is like that they're all there's a lot of variation in these things.

2:25:41A lot of variation in these experiences, a lot of variation in these crafts. And I got you got to imagine there's probably not just one world that's what I was interested in us. That's what I was thinking. It could be all the above. It could be many worlds that are interesting. Such a huge universe. It's impossible to even wrap your mind around how big it is. And if something out there is like earth where intelligent life is evolved to a very significant point, but then keeps going for a thousand years, 10 ,000 years, a million years. What if they live in a more stable environment where they're not getting pelted by asteroids like we are neutralize the aging gene.

2:26:20Yeah, what if they figure something out where they're not subject to the same biological ailments that we are? What if they incorporate some sort of technology into their physical bodies? And that's them. What if, you know, what if they're a hybrid of artificial intelligence and biological life? Like there's so many possibilities. So many possibilities. So many possibilities. I mean, it's almost impossible for us to even imagine the variations that could be out there because you're talking about a truly infinite universe. And the areas, the already identified Goldilocks planets more than one, multiple Goldilocks planets in the known universe.

2:27:01My son came up to me a couple days ago and he goes, Daddy, I haven't been thinking a lot about this. I've been thinking a lot about this. I think those creatures in Virginia, they came from a Goldilocks zone. Oh, it's like, oh my god, I just about died. That's amazing. That's so cute. He thought about it. Yeah. He's been thinking about it. I'd like for the next generation. I love the idea of like not having all this secrecy. And look, we know for sure there's secrecy surrounding this topic. That's just a fact. Why? Why can't we do that? Well, don't you think that once it begins with secrecy? So if you take us back to 1947 to Rosalind, Mexico, if it begins in secrecy, if the first ever crashed UFOs, if that begins in secrecy, like what would compel them to stop that?

2:27:51And what how much resources would be involved in disseminating that information to the general public? And why would you do that? Especially the way that the government has treated us always when it comes to matters of international conflict, when it comes to virtually anything they lie. And they always come up with a narrative that is very loosely based on facts. And they spoon feed the American public what they want us to hear. Anything that would take away their agency. Like if you want to pretend that you're in control of the United States, the United States is in control of the world. But all of a sudden there's these beings from another planet that behave in a way and move with their crafts in a way that's impossible for us to replicate.

2:28:40We don't even understand the technology. We have no idea where they're from, how they got here, they communicate with us telepathically. I'd probably shut the fuck up too. If I was the president of the United States, if I was a... You know, I just asked that very question to Representative Andre Carson a month ago. Because I was curious. It's like, okay, you guys got arrow. You got all this investigation's going on. You got all this probe going on. Let's just say that they make the determination after a careful review of the data, the data that you and I don't have access to, that some of these things represent or originate from an onhuman intelligence.

2:29:17Let's just say. Now what? Now does Krapatric go to Congress? Does he disclose that? It's not his job. So does he go to Congress? And do they disclose that? Well, it's not really their job. Basically, they're going to be saying we're not alone. So they go to the president. Whatever president that is, there are already so controversial half the country hates them. It was going to be politicized. So the president can't do it. And who is that? What do we represent 4 % of the world population? So we're going to tell the rest of the world that we're not alone. Do we do it internationally through the United Nations, a panel of international scientists?

2:29:50If that happens, then we have to share all of our sensitive private data, right? Potential materials and bodies with the rest of the world. I don't see how they can do it. Do we answer with you? And I've never really thought it through like that before. Like think of the actual execution of disclosure. How might that occur? And I asked that very question to Andre Carson, representative Andre Carson the other day. And he's, nobody's got a plan. There is no plan in place. Wow. Right? It's all wow. Yeah, it's all wow. I want to say one more thing. There was a documentary that just came out. The guy's got a totally kind of different perspective on where he puts things together.

2:30:32But the cast of characters, regarding recovered materials, it's pretty compelling. And it's called accidental truth by guy named Ron James. And I watched it. And again, it's not my style. I tend to kind of be more muted. Yeah, accidental truth. But they're available. Probably on iTunes and Amazon, I'm guessing. But as the cast of characters that deal with potential recovered materials. And it's a little bit, you know, like the artwork and stuff is not my cup of tea. But I did watch it. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. Anyway, I thought I'd mention that since we're on the topic of recovered materials.

2:31:11So, etc. for the more henceforth. Listen, man, what you're doing is very important. I really, really believe that. And if this turns out to eventually get released, you're a real trailblazer. And I think the amount of labor and just the intense focus that you put into just to make this one documentary, forget about the phenomenon too. It's amazing stuff, man. I'm glad you're out there. Appreciate you very much. Thank you, Joe. I really appreciate you having me on. I really means a lot. My pleasure. One more time, your Twitter for everybody. It's at James C Fox as in cat. James C Fox. That's my Twitter hand.

2:31:50Okay. That's the person I've ever given it out. There you go, bro. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. All right. I'd love to have you on. A moment of contact. Go watch it. It's fucking amazing. Bye everybody.