#1977 - Dave Smith

25:34It's like, they just right, even could walk right over there. People walk over here, walk right over there and you have literally one of the scariest results of drug prohibition right there where you have insane crime and insane resources that the cartels have. They control the government. They control cities. Yeah. It's wild shit and it's all because of our policies. And it's interesting that we got the guy in the White House who was the champion of it for those entire 50 years. I mean, maybe he wasn't in the whole 50 years, but he was in for like 40 plus of him. And he was the great champion of it.

26:09And now, and it's so funny that now he like, you know, runs on like, diversity. Yeah, but I, you know, but I hired the first, you know, vice president is black or whatever. You know, it's like, yeah, sure. I threw, you know, hundreds of thousands of them in cages. But now, look at me. I got one right next to me. Yeah. And yes, she's an idiot. But okay. That's so funny. How Dylan Mulvaney is like the person they all go to, whether it's Bud Light or the president, like even the president was getting interviewed by Dylan Mulvaney, which is like, what do you, why? Like what is the like, and she's talking about day 300 of womanhood and Biden's like, bless your heart.

26:52Like, you know, it's so fun. Did you, did you hear the thing where Joe Biden lied and said he was for gay marriage since like the 70s or something like that or whatever it was? He was, yeah, he's just making stuff up, but it was so funny because it's, because he's just so old. And you know, when old people try to say the politically correct thing and no matter how they say it, it still comes out like old and raw, you know, it's like, you know, they're just like colored people could read just as good as me and you. Oh, dude. That's what he said. So he goes, he goes, he's telling this story of what he was a kid and his dad and he saw two gay people kiss and then he goes, and then one of them walked into the bank.

27:31Like they had a job just like you were me. You know what he was like? You're like, yeah, dude, the people like what do you, this was a revelation to you. Like, it still just sounds so fucked up. He's trying to be cool. And what was the thing that he said something about just like white kids can? He said poor people. He said poor kids are just as bright as white kids. And you're like, oh my God. Jesus, the Freudian slips. Like, it's like you just, but it's just also like, you know, in the same way that if any of us had like, you know, our 85 year old grandpa at the table, yeah, every now and then if they say some things are going to roll your eyes, but you're almost like, yeah, you can't expect him to be with the times on this.

28:13You're like, just stop making Biden talk about this stuff. He's he's not with the, but the fact that he has to not only do that, but has to be with the load latest, woken sanity. Yeah. Like that, this guy, like that any man in their 80s has got to be like, oh, yeah, don't mull of any totally. That's a, that's a beautiful woman right there. That's what I'm looking at. Beautiful woman. He's got to like actually do that is just hilarious. Yeah, it's, it's very interesting. It's really interesting. The mental gymnastics that people will put themselves through. Yeah, it's really something. Just the idea that they're not stopping him from running again.

28:52I mean, it's just you can't, I'm shocked. I didn't think I thought they were going to replace him as the nominee at the last minute in 2020. I was shocked. He did that and I was sure he'd be a one term president. And I'm still now not even convinced he's going to be the nominee in 2024. But the more time goes on, I guess they're actually doing this. Well, the fascinating thing is they will not allow for the primaries. They're not going to allow debates. Oh, they don't want to let RFK on a stage with Biden. Yeah, RFK will rip that old man up. And then imagine if his voice was good. It's really a shame.

29:27It is a shame. It's really the job really, the job is really a speaking tour. Yeah. And it's a, it's a real issue that he has, he has issues speaking. But he did have surgery recently and it's better than it was before. Is it, is it better? But he's a, he's an interesting guy on a lot of, in a lot of ways. And I know people will say, you know, because he was a, like a vaccine skeptic wait before the COVID vaccine. He's been a skeptic of vaccines in general. And a lot of people say that's like, oh, you know, this is a conspiracy theory. Or it's too far. But you know, that argument after COVID is really much weaker than it used to be.

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32:57That's policygenius .com slash JRE. Have you been following this playbook forever? Yes. I got his speech, his announcement speech last week. He spoke for over an hour. It was really fantastic. I don't agree with everything, the guy says. But the major theme of his speech was that there is this unholy alliance of big business and big government. They're working together to screw over the American people. Damned if anyone can argue that that's not true. That's just so obviously the case. He went through this whole thing. He was really great on the stuff on the Warren, Ukraine, and being skeptical about what the hell are we doing here?

33:42Really great on the COVID stuff. He's a Kennedy. He's not just one of these peripheral Kennedys. I married a third cousin, he's Bobby Kennedy's kid. There's something powerful about that, even still. It's amazing that we've come so far. We're so far gone that they're not grasping that. They're not latching on to that. You want a democratic president? He could be the guy. But the thing is they don't want that. They want someone who adheres to the narrative 100 % completely. Doesn't get off track. Is incohoots with big business and big tech and everything else. Well, it's just that the narrative is part of it, but it's the narrative serves the system.

34:31The problem is that he's outside the system, at least to some degree. At least he seems like he is. I don't know. But there's also something to, I don't know exactly. In fact, I haven't heard him address it. I'm sure he has. But I don't know exactly where he is on his uncle and his father's assassinations. But I know that his dad was completely convinced that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy that they weren't telling us about. He did not buy it all into the Lee Harvey Oswald -owned wealth thing. So it's got to also be, you're a different type of outsider to the system if you believe the CIA killed your uncle.

35:10That's a little bit different than your dad too. And maybe your dad. Yeah, that's a little bit different than just like, you know, while I disagree with my opponent, I respect his opinion or something like that. That's a real like, you understand how evil and corrupt this system is. And that's what makes him an attractive candidate to me. I like people who recognize how evil and corrupt the system is because it really is both of those things. And he's got direct connection to it. I mean, it was evil to his family. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, if you read the Real Anthony Fauci his book, no, I have, and I've heard him talk about it in several different interviews.

35:47Yeah, yeah. If he hasn't been sued yet and he hasn't been sued yet for it, like does that mean it's true? I mean, he's got so many references in that book. If you read that book, just when they talk about what they did during the AIDS pandemic, holy shit. Fauci's a very bad guy. What they did, I mean, in the book, I mean, I don't want to paraphrase. I want to make sure I'm accurate about this book. They tested vaccines on foster kids, including babies. Like when you read what they did during the pandemic and it's spooky fucking shit. Also, like the application of AZT as a treatment that AZT was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people quicker than cancer.

36:34It's scary stuff, man. When he talks about Arthur Ash and Arthur Ash taking AZT and dying very quickly afterwards and that Arthur Ash didn't even have any symptoms before he's got on medication. Well, I think one of the things that people, a lot of people have woken up to this over the last few years with all of the COVID in sanity. And I think a lot of people have woken up to this over say the last 20 years of all the disastrous wars in the Middle East is that it's very easy for them to just be like, oh, look, we have consensus amongst the expert class. You know, like we have consensus amongst the scientists that we need lockdowns and then we need these vaccine mandates and we need all of this.

37:17And all of this, and all of this, this is the science, the scientists agree. But then once you actually like look into it a little bit, you realize that it's like, no, it's not that there's consensus amongst the scientists. It's that any scientist that doesn't agree with the consensus gets kicked out. Like they all get x communicated and silenced. And then, oh, it's just that it's this completely corrupt group that is very involved with this money making machine. And you're like, oh, there's such perverse incentives here. And so it's like, and the people realize this, when after time, it just gets demonstrated that what they were saying is wrong.

37:50Like no one's are no one can argue anymore that if you get the COVID vaccine, you can't get or transmit COVID. No one's arguing that anymore because it's just you can't keep up that lie anymore. It was so quick. Yeah. It was so quick. I mean, that lie was being pushed on mainstream news just a couple of years ago. Well, dude, me and you were like talking about this stuff. It's so it's like, it seems like not really that long ago, right? That we were having like some conversations where there'd be these clips of what we were saying. And it would be like, look at this COVID misinformation. Yeah.

38:20And it's kind of now you're like, uh -huh. Let's let's look back at that. Yeah. The World Health Organization is now saying that the vaccine shouldn't be given to kids. And you're the thing you said that was so controversial that Fauci had to comment on it was you were like, you know, for young people, I don't know if I'd really tell you to take this vaccine. It would be really healthy. It's like, eat really well, exercise, get a lot of sunlight. That was your dangerous misinformation that you were spreading. Like, why? Let's put that up against. And at the same time, Fauci was saying, if you get the vaccine, you're not going to get COVID, you can't transmit it.

38:50You're like, so who's spreading misinformation? They knew it was misinformation because they had never tested it for transmission. Yes. They knew it. The woman, uh, I'm blanking on her name, but she was on the task force, the original task force in 2020. She's the lady who's always there at the podium with Trump and Fauci. Yes. Yes. She said, um, in like a kind of diplomatic way, but she was like, now, uh, she goes, I always knew that it wouldn't prevent transmission. And I felt that we overreached when we were making that claim. And you're like, overreached lady, all of the policies that you put into place were built around that idea.

39:29The whole idea of vaccine mandates and vaccine passports and all of this. This was all predicated on the idea that it wasn't just your choice. Like, it wasn't just like, oh, you're choosing for your own health risk that you were protecting other people. That was the whole idea that the whole thing was based on. If that's not true, then there was no justification for this. And millions of people lost their jobs over this. Yeah. Not to mention just the amount of people who were just like disenfranchised, like in major cities across the country, you couldn't go to a restaurant or couldn't go to a basketball game or whatever, which may seem less important than the ones who lost their job.

40:03But it's still fucked up. It's all fucked up because it was also incentivizing people to go along with something that they might not have wanted to do. Yeah. And then when you see the amount of people that got damaged because of that, both financially, physically, vaccine injuries, you know, ostracized from their communities. How many marriages broke up? How many friendships broke up? I know a lot of people that were skeptical about the COVID vaccine and they were shamed by their friends and they lost contact with those people. They stopped being friends with them. I know a lot of people who is mental health really deteriorated during the lockdowns as well.

40:38Oh, you know, without a doubt, there's a lot of people that were already struggling before the pandemic and that pushed them over the edge. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's really like it's something to look back on it now a few years later and just like how crazy it was that we did that. It's like the lockdowns that you were just like people were at home watching TV to find out from their governor holding a daily press conference telling you what you're allowed to do today. Yeah. That was reality. And if you think about it from like a mental health point of view, what could be worse than to just be like, okay, listen, I want you to stay home.

41:13I don't want you to see your friends. I don't want you to go out to a game. I want you to stay home and be terrified of a floating abstraction that can come get you. At any point. And on top of that, you're probably also going to be terrified about like your economic security, your financial future, like all of this stuff. It's like the worst thing you could do for people. So yeah, like you said, for people who are like on the edge already, you know, like written there. And there was a lot of like old celebrities who were really terrified of it, who were just calling everybody a fucking moron for not taking it.

41:46You're fucking idiots. You're going to ruin it all for everyone. Fuck your freedom. All that stuff, remember that? Yep. All that shit is wild. It's so wild to see now. Yeah, and I do think like, my personal view is that I think like, I think for the people at the very top, like I really do think there should be criminal charges. I think we should have Nuremberg type trials for what people did. I think it's one of the greatest crimes perpetrated on the American people by the government. Especially if we funded the research that caused it in the first place. Which we did. I mean, they can argue, no, we were funding other gain of function research at that same lab.

42:25But come on, man, we were funding the lab where this virus almost certainly came from. So, but I just saying that at the top level, I think people should be prosecuted. They should go, Fauci should be prosecuted. Clearly, at least for lawing the Congress, if nothing else. You out and out, lies. Straight up lies. And now that's proven. Yes. But then like for other people like, you can't, I'm not saying everyone who supported the lockdown should like go to jail or something. We have to forgive people. But I do think there should be some process where like some type of reconciliation. But I don't, I don't think people should forget.

43:01Like I don't think people like the thing you were just saying about Arnold Schwarzenegger and stuff like that. And I don't forget what these guys were willing to jump on board with. Like, and how much further would they have gone? Right. You know what I mean? Like they pushed it pretty far and these guys were completely on board. Like, isn't really that unthinkable to say if they were like, hey, we're going to round up the unvaccinated and put them into camps, take them away from their family. You know? Do you think so? Some people would have gone along with it. Imagine if the pandemic was worse.

43:30Imagine if this disease instead of killing a fraction of 1%, imagine if it killed 5%. People would be on board with it. If it killed 10%, people would be on board with it. It would, it would, I mean, it's funny because Sam Harris had that, that thing, they had a clip where he was saying that basically. Like he was making the argument that like, hey, if this thing was worse, you all, we wouldn't have tolerated any of this COVID misinformation. Here's why that's wrong because the vaccine still sucks. Yeah, no, it's, yeah, I mean, if you change, if you change all of the fundamentals and you make it a vaccine, that's perfect.

44:05And the thing is worse than, okay, fine. But when he said it, the first thing I'm thinking of, it's like, oh yeah, no, even in your scenario, you guys would have gone full Nazi. Like that's what would have happened if it was way worse because you guys wouldn't have just been like light totalitarians. You would have gone to like some full dark totalitarian thing. And so what now? Now you're going to what, we no longer have freedom of speech and you're going to just, what are you going to do? What are you going to do to the person who says I don't want to get the vaccine now? And when you eliminate that freedom of speech and you allow that government overreach and control, it never goes away.

44:39It never goes away. And the fact that people don't recognize that and they can't just make these logical thoughts about the future. Like if we do this, what happens if someone gets in power and they're evil and they already have these new controls that we put in place? Like that was during the NDAA. Remember when Obama was like, we would never, you know, detain people for no reason. Like, yeah, you wouldn't. As he signed it into law. Yeah, but just saying that you don't, you would never use it, then don't have it. Yeah. You should need a fucking warrant. There should be like a reason why someone gets detained.

45:16There shouldn't be an indefinite detention. Yeah, indefinite. People don't know the reference in the NDAA Act, forget which year it was 2011, I think. There was this provision that said that under the auspices of the war on terror that the government can detain an American citizen and hold them indefinitely with no charges. If they decide that you are in some way connected to some type of group and Obama signed it into law, but he put a signing statement on the bill and said, I do not plan on invoking this privilege. And we do not plan on detaining anyone. But that's not enough to veto the bill.

45:53Like, yes, this bill does technically repeal the bill of rights. But I'm still going to sign it. But you don't worry about that. It should be illegal. It should be illegal to go against the ideas that found in this country. Well, the thing is, what's weird is that it is illegal. I mean, like the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. This is what they all hold their hands up to and take an oath to swear to protect and defend. But the thing is that it doesn't really matter. Like, the thing about laws is that they're just words written on a piece of paper. So it doesn't really matter what's technically legal or illegal.

46:27What matters is what people can get away with doing. Like, Obama murdered American citizens with no charges. Two of them, at least. That is illegal. That is very clearly illegal. And this was you're talking about drone strikes. Yes, it was suspected. Well, there was, it was on War a Locky and his son. Now, with the son who was like 14 or 15, they came back and killed him a few weeks after they killed the father. Now, I believe they claim he was not the target of the drone strike, like that he was just collateral damage. Still, I would argue, should be illegal. But also, most people don't buy that because it's just like seems very obvious that they were trying to take him out.

47:05But the on War a Locky guy certainly had been radicalized and I think had sworn allegiance to Al Qaeda. But he's still an American citizen. And the rules are, if you're an American citizen, are you have to be charged with a crime. And then you get a lawyer in a suit and a judge in a robe and 12 people who are like pulled randomly. And they decide if you're guilty of a crime. And by the way, he was in Yemen at the time, but they can charge you and have a trial. And if you don't show up to it, they still, you know what I mean? Like, can victory of it. Right. But there's a whole process. You don't just have the president drop a sky robot on you because he says you're guilty of these crimes.

47:48And it's funny when people that will still talk about Obama be scandal -free administration. You know, what was his biggest scandal? He wore a tan suit or something and you're like, how about the murdering American citizens without charges? That was a pretty big scandal, in my opinion. And what about the people that got killed by drones that were totally innocent, which is in the somewhere in the range of 90 percent? It was over 90 percent. There was one report that came out about that that I think said somewhere in the neighborhood of like 95 percent of the people killed in drones were not, that were collateral damage.

48:19Were not the targets of the drones. These, you know, they like to, people like to think of these things as they call them precision strikes. Yes, they're not surgical strikes. They're bombs that blow shut up, you know what I mean? And yeah, a lot of innocent people die. And then out of those, it's even higher than that because what they're counting as the target of the strikes just means you were put on a list. Which is not always, it does not always mean that you were actually a terrorist because what happens is a lot of times they're working with these groups on the ground. They kind of bribe them to rat out who's a terrorist.

48:50But a lot of times those groups are just giving you like their enemy. You know what I mean? Like someone they want to get killed or they're just coming up with names because they want you to keep bribing them. The whole thing was such a cluster, fuck man. And some of it is still going on to this day. Although now we've decided to flirt with and even much more dangerous nuclear war. But yeah, and even the drone bombings weren't the worst of what Obama did. You know, the worst of what he did was overthrowing Mo Marcadophie and Libya, funding the anti Assad rebels and starting a civil war in Syria.

49:21And funding the Saudis and giving them the green light and refueling their fighter jets so they could genocide the people of Yemen for eight freaking years. That was the worst of it. And just goddamn tragedy. Yeah, but he talks so well. He gave a hell of a speech. Great president. He really gave a hell of a speech. Great speech, man. People forget how good he was. The job aged him a lot too. So he wasn't as good at the end as he was at the beginning. But if you go listen to his, it's nonsense. It's mostly just like gooey nothingness. But if you listen to his speech at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, his official acceptance speech, it's just like it's a masterclass on public speaking.

50:09He would just say these things even when they were like meaningless. But he would like, I remember trying to think if I can remember, he has this thing. He's like, he's like, I love this country and so do you and so does John McCain. The men and women who have fought and died in our armed forces have been Democrats and Republicans and Independents. But they did not die defending a red America or a blue America. They died defending the United States of America. It's like the way he would deliver it. It really just tugs it. It's like insides and makes you like, God damn. Then after a little while you walk away and you're like, wait, but what did he say?

50:45You're like, oh, there was nothing. It wasn't like, you know, that's a, you know, he did say some good things when he ran though. I mean, he ran on some really good policies like ending the wars and closing Guantanamo Bay and repealing the Patriot Act and restoring the rule of law and ending torture and all. The shame is he did none of it. And I think that's like, I go back and forth. You could pick like any president really of my lifetime. You'd be like, who ruined the 21st century for America? You could certainly make an argument for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. But there's something about Obama.

51:18I think I put probably more blame than anyone else on him because he was, he was supposed to be the response. And like, that's the way this system of government is supposed to work or so they say is like, well, we have these democratic processes, you know, so you can, you know, if they're, if you're upset with these guys, you can kick the bombs out and vote for these guys. And obviously we all know it's like, then they narrow it down to two teams and those two teams happen to have the same policy when it comes to, you know, the military industrial complex or the banking industrial complex or the pharmaceutical industrial complex.

51:56They're all on the same set. So that's how the uniparty works, like no matter who you vote in, they're all supposed to be. But the country was so furious with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who handed him two disastrous failed wars and the worst financial crisis in 100 years. And they were so furious with them that they voted the most opposite thing they could, you know, the, this junior senator, constitutional lawyer, brilliant articulate, you know, everything that was the opposite of George W. Bush. And he was supposed to be the answer. And then he got in and just continued the Bush, like the Bush administration.

52:31It might as well have been the third and fourth term of George W. Bush. And that is where the country spins out to me. That's where you end up with Trump. I bet if you were friends with Obama, if you could, if you really were friends with them, if you could have a couple of drinks, maybe spark up a joint and talk to that guy. If he really trusted you and knew you were never going to tell anybody, I bet he could tell you some shit. Yeah, I bet you're right. I'm more of like a believer in what Putin has said about this when he talks about how he's been through three different presidents and they all have these plans.

53:08And he goes and they get into office and people that are dressed in a suit like mine come in, sit them down and tell them how everything works. If you think about how much access to the real understanding of how the government works is ever going to be given to a junior senator who's running for president, I bet very little. I bet very little. I bet there's no speeches. I bet there's no conversation about it. I think once you get in, once you're in the Pentagon, once you're in the Oval Office, once you're meeting with these people, and you realize like, holy shit. And then you realize this machine behind you that it's pushing all the buttons and you're a spokesperson for this machine.

53:47I think this might be why they hated Trump so much because I think that speech just didn't work on him. Yeah, he's like, yeah, there's this story. And I don't know if this is true or not, but it sounds so true. I think it was in Bob Woodward's book. I can't remember where it was, but this may not be true, but it just sounds so true. I think after Trump won the election and he goes to Camp David, I think this is still while he was president -elect. It might have been right after he got in. I'm not sure. But I guess he goes and he's like at this CIA thing. And they said that he came in and there's like a wall for agents who died in the line of duty.

54:24And they said Trump just walks in and stands right in front of it, which is like crazy disrespectful to do. And he said he just starts talking to the room about how tremendous his victory was. Like he just gets there and he's like, everyone said we were gonna lose, but we won big. Give me one moment. Just sounds like I don't know if that really happened, but it so sounds like that really happened. And you just imagine all these CIA agents just like, we got to get rid of this guy. But what you said about the stuff, like the speech they give, who knows? It's a real interesting thing to think about.

54:53I would love to talk to Trump about this. It's a great Bill Hicks. A great Bill Hicks bit. The bit about showing the Kennedy assassination from a angle you've never seen before. Such a great bit. But I will say that there definitely are what we know. Is there definitely are forces that kind of roll over presidents. And even with Obama, if you remember the story with the General Macrystal, and how he went to the media and told them, this is the guy who Michael Hastings ended up getting fired because he was talking shit about Obama to him in a bar. Maybe whacked. Well, he was just driving too fast that night.

55:32I don't know. I don't know that story there. Let's talk about that one in a minute. Sure. I'm not sure if that is what happened with that because I have heard that his brother said he started drinking again or something like that. I don't know the details of that story exactly. I would drink too for sassons. Yes. If I was working on uncovering CIA corruption, I'd probably be drinking. Not just working on undercover CIA corruption, but you were embedded with these soldiers and they got comfortable with you. Yeah. And then you printed all the things that they said. But what's very interesting about that is that it was a really good, it was a really important story because it makes you recognize that like, wow, even these very high ranking generals are talking shit about the president like this, this fucking asshole doesn't know what he's doing in that.

56:15So, McChrystal, before that interview, he went to the media because Obama, I guess, gave him the surge he wanted but he put an end date on it. But our troops will be out by this date. And that pissed him up. And so he went to the media and told them that, you know, he said, I haven't had any contact with the president. And we haven't been talking since this and then the media was like, put all this pressure on Obama. Like, you're not even talking to your guy over there in Afghanistan and basically kind of tied his hands politically so that he kind of just had to continue the war. And there's a lot of stuff like that that happens.

56:48And with Trump, I mean, it was reported that they lied to him about the number of troops in Syria. And when he said he wanted to pull the troops out, they lied to him and said they were far less than they actually were. Like there, and they're just bragging about this. It's really, you realize that this thing is all fake. It's not run the way people think it's run. Yeah. And that is, if anything, even if you're a Trump hater, you have to recognize that he exposed that. He showed us that in a way that we'd never seen before because they were so furious at him. They were willing to like show their powers.

57:24They were almost like witches that start casting spells. And like, oh, what's weird is that so many of the Trump haters, which like be a Trump hater. I don't know. That's fine. There's a lot to criticize there. But like so many of the Trump haters will talk about like, you know, undermining our democracy. And he, he incited in insurrection against like this democratic republic or whatever. But then you'll see things like, look, this just came out within the last week and a half or so. That we now know that it was, it was a blanket, the current secretary of state before he came in, who requested that the CIA put together this letter that said there were 50 intelligence experts who had determined that the Hunter Biden laptop had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

58:14You know, just to help Joe Biden win. Now, forget even the fact that the intelligence agencies are interfering in an election. They're doing it to undermine who was the current president of the United States of America. The guy they work for. They're also openly lying. Yes. Yes. I mean, that's all of these are big problems. But the fact that that's not freaking people out that they openly lied about that. Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, all of this stuff is very troubling. And then of course, you know, I mean, that's dictatorship. Well, they just, just that's supposed to be how America works. And if you're a guy that's involved in doing that, like Jesus Christ, how much power do you need?

58:57Like you, you can't do that. It's so deeply un -American to lie to the American people about something that is not right. That might affect an election. It's crazy. That's, and to justify because you want your guy to get in there. Like, man, that, that's a crazy abuse of power. And the problem with that is I think the FBI is very important. I think the CIA is very important. I think all these people that are understanding what's going on in the world and with, with no filter. They have all the access to information. If you don't have that in this world, this climate that we live in, I think you're fucked.

59:38But you can't do that because that's going to undermine everybody else's understanding of what you're, you're willing to do. So all the good work that they do, people are going to mistrust it. There's a lot of people that have lost their faith in the intelligence community because of things like this. Well, and because of the stuff that they do, I mean, it's like, it's not, but it's kind of like, but I think a lot of those people are fucking patriots, which is so fucked. Yeah, I'm sure there are, there are some, but they're stuck in a system. Yes, but that's the problem. It's like, you know, it's like when people say they're losing, that people are losing trust in these institutions, it's like, well, yes, but it's because they've found out what the institutions are doing.

1:00:20If you're, if your wife found out that you're cheating all over her and you're like, well, this is a problem because she's losing trust in me. It's like, well, yeah, but she's not, she shouldn't trust you because she found out what you're doing. You know what I mean? Like it's, so, but isn't it who's going to watch the watchman? Yeah. Isn't that it? Because when you have any kind of a position like that where you have just insane power over information and policy and what gets done and no one, no one is managing it like what from outside of it that's saying, hey, what are you doing? No, that's the, give the Constitution.

1:00:56You can't do that. Don't do that. There's no like oversight where there's someone who is completely objective is loyal only to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and lays out like the rules. These are the fucking rules for America. Like you can't operate outside of these rules just because you want your guy to win. That's on American. That's as un -American as anything else that you could be prosecuted for that we get. Think about what it's songs did what they're trying to get up to is what's more un -American lying to the American people or exposing the American people to information that has been hidden from them that's deeply disturbing that would change their opinion on things.

1:01:43And that's criminal. You know, I'm like exposed actual war crimes like what is what is America? That's the thing like what are we? Are we the shining light of the world? Are we the this incredible garden of creativity and innovation? Because we're that too. Yeah, we're we're a wild fucking amazing experiment in self -government. But we got to stick to the fucking rules. And if you get people in power and no one is able to stop them from not sticking to the rules and then when they do violate the law, there's no consequences. We forgot what it is to be American. It's not good for them. It's not good for us.

1:02:23It's not good for any of us. We're all on this together. You can't do that. Yeah, well like you said we are kind of all of those things. You know, we're like we're we are this like you know it's like in the wise words of the great M &M. I'm all I'm all for America. Fuck the government. You know, like we're not even fuck the government. Fuck the bad. Parts of the government there's there's people in the government that are trying to do the right thing. I know there are there's people in the government that are patriots. There's people in the government that really want. This place to get better.

1:02:53You don't think Bernie Sanders wants the government to get better. I think he definitely wants the world. Maybe. I think that guy realistically wants the world to be a better place. I think Tulsi Gabbert. Realistically wanted the world to be a better place. She was in government. She was a Congresswoman for ten years. But look what the system did to a good Congress. Yeah, but you know what she recognized that she wasn't willing to be compromised And she removed herself from what she thought was a corrupt organization, right? But then like so what is that they about Bernie Sanders? But right, but I'm just saying that's kind of the way the system works So it it shoes up and spits out the people who have some integrity not all of them There are some who who you know like like stay in But there is some I mean to see Gabard got called a Russian asset By by Hillary Clinton by the establishment of her own party.

1:03:43Why you know a woman who served was embedded in a medical unit in a rack Like twice. Yeah really saw the calls the war really thought the war that whites treaken her hair from that Yeah, the war that Hillary Clinton lied us into and voted for And then she turns around it calls her like she said she betrayed her country While did they think they can say that because they used to be able to say that with no recourse They're operating in a world where there was no internet. They still have that programming from the world of no internet Yeah, and also operating in a world You know, it's kind of like what you were talking about with like the CIA getting so much power that it just becomes so corrupted And I think a lot a lot of the story of America and how we've just become so degraded Is is really kind of goes back to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the fact that what Charles Krautman How are called the you know the unipolar moment that in the 90s it was like oh for the first time ever That's it America is the lone superpower and this really is like what all of those guys said like all the neo conservatives Like the project for a new American century and those guys they were like this is our moment We can do whatever we want we have like that we are the sole power in the world and what they wanted to do is a lot of really awful things But that it almost created so much power and so much hubris that they just think they can get away with everything like there's no limit on what they can do And it turns out that actually you're not gods you're just people and all of these this carefully perfect like okay Well, this is what we'll do and then this is what's gonna happen You know will overthrow Saddam Hussein and then democracy will sweep the region and it's like no It's actually not gonna work out that way and to me to me that's the whole story of the the war in Ukraine right now too It was all like we're gonna we've got this perfect plan that will just keep expanding NATO and we'll just keep interfering We'll have these color coded revolutions will take over more and more and we will be the dominant force and it's like Yeah, well, there's consequences to that that doesn't doesn't just work as perfectly as you planned it out Just like with all the wars in the Middle East and what's happening now is very spooky.

1:05:46Mm -hmm It's really spooky because so many people are dying and they're trying to put a positive spin on it It's like what is the end game here? How does this end? Well, you know How is there not negotiations and when Trump says that he would have never happened when he was in office and he would be able to stop it now Like people listen to that and like that's dangerous too as dangerous to have this one solution like Have he he's gonna fix it. He's gonna fix it. Hey, what if he can't? What if he can't what if this is a thing that's just like eyes and how are warned everyone about? What if this is the thing what if there's a fucking whole business just like we're in the business to tell him jokes You know people who make pies are in the business of pie making and people make war are in the business of war making and once that machine gets moving I mean, it's like a tank with no brakes.

1:06:36It's certainly very hard to stop it We haven't figured out how to yet and you know Donald Trump can say that and I would say I think his rhetoric has been much better on this than Joe Biden's and at least he's talking about You think you can stop it. You think you think there's a way to somehow or no It does the president have that kind of power where the president could go in and say I want to meet with Putin I want to organize a negotiation. I want to end this right now. He could say it and then you know and then see what I don't know You know, I don't have to get NATO to pull their arms back.

1:07:10Well the I mean the president could certainly You has a lot of leverage there. You know what I mean like how much power do you think they really genuinely have? It's an interesting question. I don't know exactly. I think that's what Putin's point was about getting into office Yeah, I think I think that's that's what he was saying and it does seem like there's a lot of truth to that I also one of the things that makes me skeptical about how great Trump would be on this that Trump wasn't very good on this issue while he was in I mean Trump was the one who sent the weapons into Ukraine This is you know when he got impeached it was famously over The Ukraine gate thing was he said he was they said it was a quid pro quo where he was holding up the weapons Putting pressure on Zelensky to investigate the Biden's but the part of that story that doesn't get talked about that much is that then he Caved and he gave them the weapons and this was a major this was a major Reason I think why this war ended up happening and what they said at the time was that they were sending in the weapons to To deter the Russians and so either either they're really bad at deterrence or it actually was a provocation Because it certainly didn't deter Vladimir Putin from going in And I think that and Trump also got us out of the INF Treaty He also like it was just he was not good on that he was in fact I think he was trying to prove how much he wasn't a Russian agent You know what I mean that he was kind of like being more hawkish toward Russia Interesting to show you what a Russian agent.

1:08:39I'm not oh, no So I don't know I don't know what he would do It certainly couldn't be any worse than what the plan is right now and you know to your point You made because I know last time I was on the show I talked a lot about this The like kind of the cause of this war in Ukraine and I put a lot of blame on American foreign policy and I It went super viral and I heard back from some people who disagreed But the funny thing about it is is that it's not like when I was talking about like NATO expansion and how much of a Provocation this was to the Russians when you were talking about like the good people in government It's it's it's not like it's just Cooke's or you know crazy libertarians like me it was not just like Rom Paul and and no Mchomsky and Pat Buchanan like the outsiders Who were all against NATO expansion But the list of people within the government within the national security apparatus who completely opposed NATO expansion is Really impressive and long there's a lot of like really wise people within the government who were completely against NATO expansion in the 90s when it first started At least three secretaries of defense Robert McNamar Robert Gates George W.

1:09:54Bush and Barack Obama's Secretary of Defense William Perry who was Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Defense at the time They all opposed it in like the strongest possible language and all Explicitly for the reason that this will provoke a conflict with Russia and they were like George Kenan Who was the founder of the containment strategy the old school cold warrior? There's this great interview he gave with Thomas Friedman from the New York Times You can find it online and it's in the 90s when they're doing the first round of NATO expansion and He is like Furious like his anger comes through the page when you're reading it because he's like what are you guys doing?

1:10:35We won the Cold War We won and now you're picking a fight with Russia and this isn't Vladimir Putin's Russia This was Boris Yeltsin, you know, and he's like you these aren't the Soviets These aren't the communists. These are the heroes who overthrew them Why are we picking a fight with them and he was the Cold Warrior? He was like you're throwing away my life's work and he said and this was a really You know a crazy prediction really ominous. He said the people who are advocating Expanding NATO are going to continue advocating expanding it and expanding it and expanding it and then there will be a Russian reaction And then when there's the Russian reaction they're going to say see that's proof that we have to keep expanding it and Damn if he wasn't right if he wasn't right about that and oh by one more little detail on this because this is really interesting is so There's in 2008 in February of 2008 there was a private cable that the current CIA head Burns Bill Burns who's currently the head of the CIA at the time he was the ambassador to Russia And so he sent a private message to Condoleezza Rice who was a Secretary of State at the time And this the only reason we know about this is because of the heroic Julian Assange dumped this so this was not for the public This is like what they were saying to each other and this memo was titled yet means yet And it was about Ukrainian entry into NATO because this had been floated out for a while.

1:12:05Yeah, there you go Uh, and basically the whole piece is this the current CIA director telling Telling Condoleezza Rice that This anything in diplomatic language. Yeah, so he says Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia They in they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region Not only does Russia perceive encirclement and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region But it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership With much of the ethnic Russian community against membership could lead to a major split involving violence or at worst civil war In that eventuality Russia would have to decide whether to intervene a decision Russia does not want to have to face So this is now there's another memo that comes out later that year where he says and it's really it's a really interesting thing where he goes He said Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines and burns says to Condoleezza rice again Not to the American public just to let the secretary of state know like this is what i'm saying He goes i've spoken to everyone over here He goes from the craziest right wingers to Putin's sharpest liberal critics and it is unanimous to a man They all agree that Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of red lines that this is a direct threat to Russia You cannot do this in the same way jat Kennedy was saying you cannot put missiles in Cuba You cannot bring Ukraine into your military alliance that was Putin's present then this is what they were telling him And three months after that memo that we were just reading so this was in February They had the buka a summit where NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine were coming into NATO And this is what's to it's like our ambassador to Russia told our secretary of state do not do this and then they went We're just announcing that we're gonna do it and three months after that was the war in and Georgia Because they announced Georgia and Ukraine were coming in and then Georgia got ballsey because they felt like they had the backing of the west And they attacked a breakaway province south of sessia And they had Russian peacekeepers there and Vladimir Putin respond it that was like the first like real response And he went to war with Georgia over that and then You know like the stuff we talked about last time is when in 2014 Um when there was the coup backed by the west in Ukraine You know, it's what I like about these segments too is like people can argue with like this because I know there are people arguing with me Last time I was here if you remember we played the video of gittian rose Uh, just bragging about this and he's like dude um, it's not me.

1:14:50These are that's the CIA directors words That's gittiest that's the editor of foreign affairs magazine saying this like this is what people in the government were saying and Uh Like one more note that I'll say is that bill Clinton's secretary of defense. He wrote about this in 2015 So this is after the the coup in Ukraine the made on revolution and after Putin took Crimea and he basically said That like this is all my fault And that his biggest regret was that he didn't resign over NATO expansion He said I think he said his biggest regret was that he didn't like do everything he could to stop it And that he didn't ultimately resign over it because this was destined to be like the future that it was like You know people will say I know people will argue with me on this and they'll say like but like you know NATO is just a defensive alliance So why should Vladimir Putin care if you know we expand this defensive alliance and it's like yeah It's a defensive alliance except for all the times it's not you know except for all the times it fights aggressive wars like in Serbia or Libya or Afghanistan Other than that I guess they claim it's a defensive alliance But from Vladimir Putin's perspective this isn't a defensive voluntary alliance This is the European wing of the American Empire the most war hungry country in the world Who started seven wars in the last 20 years and slaughtered millions of people like from his perspective when you put Dual -use rocket launchers in Poland that's not like we're just trying the official Reason is we're just trying to make sure that Iran can't nuke Europe with the nukes that they don't have But from Putin's perspective he's like no you're trying to cut down on the time it would take for a nuclear weapon to hit Moscow And so like again It's not that Putin's a good guy because he's not there's not that he's justified in invading Ukraine he's not and all the stories of like horrible shit that he you've heard that he's done there He's probably done a lot of them But Man, it's just that all these guys these same dumb neocons who have this policy to remake the Middle East They're the same ones who also had the policy to expand NATO all the way to Russia's border And man was just this just the dumbest most reckless policy ever That's now put us in a position where we are closer to a risk of world war three and nuclear war Then we've ever been in my life and for what For what to make sure that the Donbass region is ruled by Kiev rather than Moscow like is that really worth it?

1:17:19Jesus Christ You know what I didn't consider until this all broke out when I started looking at the borders of Russia You know when when people are explaining why this is so important and why control of Crimea and why control of all these places is so important once you look at The what used to be the Soviet Union you realize like oh that there's all these countries that are connected to them people can just invade anywhere The United States has a very unique position in the world the North America's position in the world Just where we are separated by oceans right up until these hypersonic weapons that was a barrier was a huge barrier Like to still a barrier to conventional yes, you know like warfare right But we I don't think we really have to worry about that I agree.

1:18:07Yes. We have to worry about wild shit You know, this is what freaks me out about this whole UFO thing I wonder how many of those fucking things that we're seeing is a government Who's reached some form of technology that we don't we're not aware of yet? Yeah, and how many of them are hours and how many of them are China's how many of them are rushes do those exist? I don't know I mean if they exist I would I would think China more than anyone, you know because they they're technological capabilities are fucking so high Yeah, but I think rushes put a lot into that stuff also so I don't know, you know, I don't know That's I mean Putin claims like he's developed like all of these crazy, you know I mean things over the last few years that that's really what that basically he said that once once NATO kept expanding so much that they left him no choice But to develop faster and crazier missiles and different technologies and it's just like um, you know It's it's weird because I've heard a lot of people I've heard people on this show and on lots of other shows say that the big concern They have is Vladimir Putin winning the war Taking all of Ukraine or just keeping the parts that he wants or something like that and that then he might Be like oh, hey, I can get away with that.

1:19:17I'll take Poland or whatever now That to me seems very far fetched like he's having enough trouble just taking Ukraine I really doubt he's moving on Poland next, but it's like okay I I understand kind of in theory where where that concern is but What about the concern if he loses Like what if he's humiliated on his own border and rushes Russia is completely destroyed and humiliated what if like what like he's attacked within Russia what then what if he's convinced that he's done and he's gonna be overthrown or he's gonna die To me that's actually the most dangerous scenario because really nobody's probably gonna launch The first nuclear strike unless they're already convinced they're dead anyway You know what I mean, and then it's like all right.

1:20:06You're gonna take me out. I'm bringing you with me Type deal right and to me that's the biggest concern What you want to find here is like an off ramp where everyone can save face a little bit You know what I mean like everyone can go home and tell their own people like we did the job You know like like a justification somehow and it really it's it's got to involve like negotiating some type of compromise And you know what if he does get overthrown and Russia becomes a failed state That's a pretty dangerous scenario to imagine Russia becomes like Libya Because when they overthrew more market -offie Libya fell apart.

1:20:41Yep. Libya's had they have open air slave markets Where you can auction slaves off you could watch them on YouTube The Libya's terrifying. Well, that's why it's it's so crazy that because you'll hear people like um, you know like Lindsey Graham and and like idiots like that We'll talk about like if Putin's overthrown like almost like it's a given that things are better than You're like how even if it didn't go to like a failed state like Libya like how do you know? It's not just like a far worse right wing dictator who comes up and takes over You know what I mean like why is it's not if there's one thing we've learned from the 20th and 21st centuries It's like sometimes you can overthrow a government and it can be much worse than the one that you overthrow You know with oh governments were overthrown after World War One in Russia and Germany Yeah, and then then came in Lenin Stalin and Hitler right like it can get a lot worse Even if it's not a goddafi, you know failed state type deal Which is also much worse But you could you could be looking at something You know that's far worse than what we have right now But isn't it amazing that that's taken place so many times and yet we still have this idea that over throwing them Or getting rid of our enemy is that's the solution to the problem Yeah, it's uh It's unbelievable even the fucking game of thrones kings handled it better Yeah I mean they fucking got together and work shit out Here's when Obama Obama said that the greatest regret of his presidency was not thinking about what would happen the day after They overthrew goddafi and you're like But you didn't like we just did it in Iraq you didn't yeah that wasn't your thought like you didn't you didn't think maybe this It'll go crazy.

1:22:23Yeah, this could do we bad journalist and Libyan now. I don't think so I mean maybe I don't know I mean they've they've done a few pieces on like the open air slave markets I haven't seen anything in a few years though running Libya So I don't think anyone's running Libya Libya is like basically warring tribes Jesus Christ And the only way someone's gonna take control is the biggest warlord That's usually how it goes and what are their resources the as it drugs Sudan militants spark huge risk in lab with samples of deadly viruses Oh terrific wonderful Terrific we just happen to have deadly viruses laying around where there's a revolution You know, it's interesting if you go back and read these guys like I was talking about the project for a new American century You've heard of those that before it was like from you.

1:23:13Yeah, it's a think tank in the 90s If you'll a lot of if you uh the 9 -11 conspiracy guys like even some of the kooky guys if you old a lot of them because it was basically this uh It was a think tank It's founding Signatures were like the Bush administration. It was all the Neocons in the 90s who were out. So it was a Robert Kagan and you know like Bill crystal and and Dick Cheney and You know like all the wall Paul Wolfowitz all the kind of like Neocons who ended up taking power in George W. Bush's administration and they laid out their plans for what they wanted to do and one of their plans involved over throwing Saddam Hussein in Iraq and and fighting multiple wars and uh and NATO expansion in Europe and so the 9 -11 conspiracy theorists would jump on this And go aha, you know, this is why they brought the towers down just so they could get the war in Iraq that they always wanted Whereas I think the simpler explanation was just like they took advantage of the opportunity when it came and realized They could get what they wanted but regardless there's no debate.

1:24:13They're on record. They wanted it back in the 90s And one of the so basically what it's about it's what the title is it's a project for a new American century And they're like hey, we're in the 90s here the Soviet Union has fallen the 20th century was the century of America And now what's our plan for the next century? What's the what's the plan for the new American century? And they actually say in one of the most famous policy papers. It's really something to say is they go look We have no real threat to our vital interests right now. There were no real threats to America Our dominance right now and so what we need to do is fight wars in multiple theaters So we need to go and now show our dominance to the rest of the world And so they're they're actually saying if you read between the lines not that much They're like we don't need a fight a war But let's go fight them Let's go fight them anyway And this is what happens they won like all the wise people in government who were opposed to them lost and all the dumb George W.

1:25:12Bushes and Joe Biden's won and they got their way and we're living through the results of it And you're like oh great, isn't this wonderful? Do you remember when that general was it west? Wesley Clark Wesley Clark. That's right. Wesley Clark Told this reporter in this interview that like find that interview because it's so fascinating You said of five countries and seven years and seven countries and what are we doing? And you know, I mean He's this decorated general who's being presented with this plan and Let's play this because this has not been discussed enough This can never be discussed enough never be discussed enough and it's also it's all out there and you're not hearing it you know and This is the the fact that Journalists aren't like putting this in everyone's face Well, they're good very information that you're giving out today.

1:26:07Well, the good ones are to be fair I mean like the Glenn Greenwald and the Karen Matez all these two Tebes they're doing a great job on this stuff coincidentally all independent yes and coincidentally all vilified by establishment and weren't independent initially and these these guys of all had to stick to their principles and leave to listen to this because this is very fucking wild about 10 days after 9 -11 I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and In deputy secretary Wolff -Wiss I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me And one of the generals called me and he said sir you got to come in you got to come in and talk to me a second I said well, you're too busy said no no, but he says We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq This was on her about the 20th of September I said we're going to war with Iraq.

1:27:01Why? He said I don't know He said I guess they don't know what else to do So I said well did they find some information collecting sit on to al -Qaeda? He said no, no He says there's nothing new that way they just made the decision to go to war with Iraq He said I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but We've got a good military and we can take down governments and He said I guess if if the only two you have is a hammer every problem has to look like a nail So I came back to see him a few weeks later And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan I said are we still going to war with Iraq and he said oh, it's worse than that He said he reached over on his desk.

1:27:47He picked up a piece of paper. He said I just He said I just got this down from upstairs Meaning the secretary of events office today and he said this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years Starting with Iraq and then Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran Sudan And you know, I mean they they haven't it's not like that plan was followed perfectly to a tea But a lot of it sure was and it's pretty crazy to see him By the way, I don't think he needed to grab Amy Goodman's piece of paper there Which was a weird thing like he goes you guys let they showed me a piece of paper just like this just takes her paper Just like that other paper she like you could have just told the story without like you didn't really need that like Visual aid.

1:28:33Yeah, why did you do it? You was like on her face for a second She's like that's all my nuts and stuff is out there like I'm all my next questions Anyway, it's a weird thing like like it's a very like military guy type thing to do though Is weird kind of alpha? Let me take your shit right here. I'm showing you okay anyway, but it's pretty it's like insane That this was just said and that's not just like like if we didn't have such a corrupt press How do they not talk about that every day every day like what does that never come up? Oh, it's like oh as we fought all of these wars no one went But this is exactly what I heard mr.

1:29:09Forstar general tell me was your plan and you've never come to the American people and said This is my plan you're just like so and what's really interesting about it right is it just reveals this prop like the way prop Aganda works because if you think about it We start fighting the war in Afghanistan. We're in the war in Afghanistan by late 2001 Um, it's not till 2003. We're in Iraq right and then it's not till 2010 that we're in Libya 2012 we're in Syria, you know, and then then in Yemen then in all the and it's like Each time They had their own little propaganda story for why we had to go into this war now And you're like no motherfucker.

1:29:50This was always planned you decided in 2001 you were doing this So don't tell me this is because Gaddafi's about to go genocide all or because Saddam has weapons of mass destruction or because Bashar al -Assad is killing his own people. It's like no no no no This is just your latest little excuse now for the war that you already wanted to do and that's how this shit really works man It's like they they decide they wanted to fight these wars Then they make up a bull should excuse that they tell the American people then these weapon companies rake in Hundreds of billions of dollars in profits and babies get slaughtered That's what really happens like innocent men women and children Die get exploded to death starve to death get displaced like it's just the most evil shit in the world And we want to think of ourselves as a good guy Well, that's and that's by the way that's the essence of my point with the whole thing in Ukraine too Is that it's like I'm not because people go like oh you're spreading you know Russian propaganda like my loyalty is to Vladimir Putin or something like that Ridiculous, but it's like no it can you at least even if you support the war in Ukraine?

1:30:57Let's say you're like we have to continue this proxy war of choice in Ukraine We have to fund Ukraine all the way to the end fine Can you at least acknowledge that our politicians are the biggest hypocrites in the fucking world when they say things like Vladimir Putin's a war criminal Of Vladimir Putin invaded a sovereign nation like come on man Did you ever see by the way and again? It's just it's pretty entertaining to me, but Vladimir Putin He he gave two speeches. I think when he first invaded in 2022 Um, but he did one where he like ran down the list of presidents And he did one where he was like he needled Bill Clinton for his war in Serbia And he was like he goes well There's uh, there's an ethnic minority being oppressed So we have to go to war right Bill Clinton And then he goes we got to check out about weapons of mass destruction right George W.

1:31:50Bush And then like kind of like went down the list of and the point he's essentially making and he's kind of right about it You have no leg to stand on yeah to tell me that I can't do this. Yeah, it's all I can't violate international law Like you guys sure can so why the hell can't I and and that doesn't mean he's justified in doing it It means like really none of them are justified But the level of hypocrisy that America thinks were in any position to lecture anyone about war But isn't it fascinating that as long as the people are in a place that we Don't have a lot of familiarity with and as long as the people speak a language that we don't understand and we can't read It seems like Less is going on In some strange way like if the United States did what it did to Any of these other countries it did to England.

1:32:43Yeah, imagine that imagine if there were some propped up bullshit reason why they needed to invade England They're holy fucking shit would that be wild yeah, because then you would have people that speak the same language Talking about this going what the fuck is going on yeah look at the same skin color same religion Exactly, you know what I mean? It's especially England because England is similarly diverse right it would be everybody You'd see everybody you'd be like what is going on again, and you would hear from them They would be able to talk in a language you clearly understand all the newspapers reflect their positions And the crazy is that like in Sudan or in any other place any place We we need someone.

1:33:29He's doing turbid for us right right and just we'll just like imagine if like we fought Crime here with drone bombs or something like that Well, you know, they were like oh, there's a drug dealer in this building. He's a suspected killer And so we're just gonna bomb the building you know Starting to use robots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean not the bombs yet, but no, but they're starting to deploy robots to fight crime in America This is literally a fucking Terminator movie. Yeah, it's this is pretty big shit crazy that we're ever gonna allow them to use robots to fight crime Like what are you fucking talking about Like what are you talking about like first of all you don't know jack shit about whether or not those things could be hacked Whether someone can take control of it if it's a computer There's someone out there smarter than you they could probably figure out a way to take over that thing Well, and the crazy thing is that you know, there's um which is a major Push from the Biden administration Glenn Greenwald just did a video on this the other day.

1:34:29It's really fantastic But this has been a major push from the Biden administration since he first but even before he took office just after the election in 2020 That this is their their new thing is like a domestic war on terrorism that the big threat that they're worried about is domestic terrorism Which is a very loose Definitely about someone trying to oppose them. Yes, that's it's there's it's kind of this war on dissidents Yes, and it's very creepy that the same people who pushed for these wars in the Middle East Are now the ones saying oh yeah, and we need to and they're calling it the same thing They're saying we need to bring what we had over there right here.

1:35:09They're calling you domestic terrorists It's the Department of Homeland Security that was created in the name of the war on terrorism This is now going to focus on you know, this this problem we have here at home Which is like again, it's just like the fact like you what you were saying like okay if they did this to England or if they did this to Chicago or whatever it would be so much more blatant to us, you know, but it's like oh they do it to Iraq or they do it to Somalia that just doesn't seem quite as real, but you're like But those people who were okay doing that they are Don't be so comfortable that they won't do that to you too.

1:35:43It's like if somebody um You know if there was like someone who had like you know Like attacked kids and then you were like yeah, but they did that over in a different neighborhood I'm letting them babysit my kids today. You're like I mean you know, right? I know it was a different neighborhood where they spoke a different language, but like that person's comfortable killing kids Like I don't think you want them anywhere around your kids and like that's kind of what we've got with these people in our government Like they're comfortable making decisions where innocent people die and die by the millions Like if you add up the death toll of all the wars it's in the millions Somewhere in the range of two to four million.

1:36:23Let's just let's just go with Vietnam Go with Vietnam because that's one that's provable that we got in under false pretenses. Yeah, that's And what is I think two I think two million of Vietnamese and and uh Is that something like that died? I don't I You double check me on that, but it's a lot and that's a war that everybody opposed. Yeah, or so well a lot of people a lot of people a lot of people a lot of people Yeah, and now everybody opposes and nobody thinks it was good. Yes. Yes Well, it's kind of like the war in Iraq now You know like everybody kind of even John McCain wrote in his memoir like whoopsie Yeah, I know he was good, but that's kind of what it is.

1:37:02You just see the Tucker Carlson interview on full send I guess I saw I didn't watch the entire thing, but I saw a few clips of it when he's talked about uh how much he regrets Supporting the war in Iraq as we are referring to yeah, yeah, yeah, and I believe him I think he really means it I believe him sometimes you know sometimes there's people like there's like John McCain types Who go like you know, they'll it or Hillary Clinton what they'll admit Okay, it was a mistake, but then they still support every subsequent war after that I mean it doesn't see whereas Tucker is like I'm so ashamed that I supported this I'll never forgive myself for it and has opposed every subsequent war after that and I'm like Okay, I think this guy really believes it.

1:37:42He's different than people want to pretend he is First of all the guy was a deadhead Yeah, you know you used to follow the dead around yeah, so for sure dropped acid I that'd be my guess I would how how else can you enjoy the music? I I think it's legally required that he's taken acid at least once if you're gonna enjoy the grateful dead I'm not sure I don't know I haven't brushed up on the statue alive to LSD According to my friends who been there and done that it's it's really interesting what the um the public perception of Tucker Carlson is or or particularly How polarizing he is to people that it's almost it's almost like you're They're describing a different person that he actually is right.

1:38:29I really I think he was the most interesting person in cable news The most thoughtful most intelligent like he was really he um I don't agree with them on anything you know on my On my podcast we used to do a segment where it was just it was I just done it so many times that we started joking about it being a segment That we called contra Carlson because I was just disagreeing with him like he had all these economic ideas that I completely disagree with And I disagree with a lot of stuff. He said but he was like Such like the the lone voice in like really the corporate press who was Completely opposed to the military index industrial complex completely opposed to big pharma and all of the COVID insanity There's really good on like speaking up about a lot of really important issues issues that you would think like a good leftist Would at least appreciate that he's good on that issue, you know And some some of them did this is what he's the guy who's having Glenn Greenwald on his show You know what I mean?

1:39:27He's the guy who's having Aaron Matein Jimmy door. Yes, there's a right way I was he's having like that he's having a lot of left wingers and It was it was very interesting. He wasn't a partisan He would be completely against the Republican party was viciously critical of the Republican party Hates the Republican establishment and even the stuff. I see I've seen so many people be like um, you know, he was uh He bought into Trump's Claims that the election was stolen and I'm like, I don't know. Do you watch him because I watch his show and that's actually not He was the guy he took a lot of heat from this from right wingers that immediately following the election of 2020 He really aggressively called out Trump's lawyers Uh Rudy Giuliani and Sydney Powell I think was the other one because they were making claims about the dominion voting machines that they flipped millions of votes And Tucker Girls and went on a show and he goes okay If this is true It's the biggest story in the history of the United States of America So what evidence do you have?

1:40:29And he's like we have reached out privately to the Trump's lawyers We've gotten nothing in return So to be clear they're making this claim and providing nothing to back it up He really was like no no no now what he has said later is there'll be like they'll pull quotes and be like yeah, but he referred to 2020 as a scam or something like that and it's like yeah, but you don't watch his show So you don't get that like what he was saying was yeah the dominion vote flipping thing is bullshit No one's ever provided any evidence of that But the fact that big tech and the intelligence agencies work together to undermine the hunter Biden story to get Joe Biden across the finish line is Bullshit like that You know what I mean?

1:41:11And that's a scam and he's that's a completely reasonable position to take like again It's just you know like look at this dude Don lemon is out at CNN right I promise you whoever replaces Don lemon has the same exact views as Don lemon and the same exact views of everybody else at CNN That's not true for Tucker Carlson right there's at least there was a guy out there who like would disagree with the with The rest of the people at his network. Yeah, disagree with both political parties He's really designed for the internet. I hope he I hope he goes there He's going to unless they've paid him off to like the I mean If I was a person in a position of power in a wild card like Tucker Carlson got released from Fox news And maybe rumble makes a deal with him or something like that.

1:41:57Do you have any fucking idea? How big that would be How big show it could make that that app it could make that that platform. I mean if Tucker Carlson goes over there It'll be worth it for them to invest a considerable amount of money But if I was Fox news that's the last thing I would want So I would make sure that we have him locked up for the entire term of some contract some no compete and Pay him off you'd be better off just giving him the same amount of money. He made when he was on the air Well, and I wonder him opposing you. I wonder what he's already under contract for you know I mean like there may already be some clause in his contract that says you know if we leave there's X amount of time I don't know you know Fox news man a smart yeah, it's stupid although very shocking Seeing him leave.

1:42:43Yes, I was I was surprised although in high So one of those things were like I was surprised right away and then like two days later I'm like how was he ever even there like how would this guy was on the 8 p .m. Hour at Fox news saying the CIA killed Kennedy Like how was that ever a real thing? You know like it's like you say that it's insane He was like it but what's crazy to me is that like so many progressives have like It's like you're it's like invasion of the body snatchers or something It's like is this the real you man? Have you just been replaced with an NPC the 8 p .m. Hour at Fox news is saying the CIA killed Kennedy That's not interesting to you.

1:43:17That's not like something like I'm not saying you have to agree with them on everything But like that's not kind of that's different than bill O 'Reilly. Yeah, that's a different this is a different world We're living in now like this is something that and um Yeah, it just seems like kind of surreal now looking back at it almost But I bill O 'Reilly did leave and he went and started a podcast or something I think I don't know Yes, I think the problem is his average viewer was like 86 years old. They're like the board a podcast now Was that yeah getting them to download an app good luck You're like I'm gonna have to call my grandson Where is it now is it work I need to be angry This is just just talking to like my like in laws about like scanning a document or something like that I know let alone you know telling him how to download an app and listen to a podcast I don't know try to talk your mom through one of those things Um, yeah, but uh, you know, but it is I do think it's very interesting I'm very interested to see what his uh his next move is it's gotta be the internet He'd be crazy to do anything other well.

1:44:20There's nothing else I mean he's not going to CNN he's not going back to CNN or back to MSNBC by the way He used to be on both of those uh networks. I know, but he got a lot better since he was on those networks And they got a lot worse yeah, it was a different time when he was on those networks I mean there was a video that was just uh released who's he interviewing is he interviewing Britney Spears? I think Like from 20 years ago. It's like you're watching this young Tucker Carlson with a bow tie on CNN like wow Yeah kind of crazy. I think I'm in Ray Tomado used to like uh have like a friendly back and forth like they disagree But it was like totally friendly when they were both on MSNBC together And it was like what it was you look at it now you're like wow What a different world that those two could even be in the same room together But I think that that what happened is it just the internet?

1:45:11Is it is it when people get together in these echo chambers and they reinforce each other's ideas to the point where Anybody that opposes that is just the enemies. It's such a some tribal thing that just Automatically happens when people are allowed to gather in large groups like they do on social media I think that certainly plays a role um the a major role um I think that There's also like I think the thing kind of came unglued Like the establishment kind of came unglued um I think the The the the George W Bush administration um the wars in the financial crisis Really set into motion like a bad dangerous thing where it almost like There I think there was like an effort to distract away from the like I think there were powerful people who wanted to distract away from How much the powerful people had fucked over the country and then they there was kind of like this effort to pit people against each other And then I think it was very easy for people to fall into that and just get very very tribal and very very isolated I also think there was like this knee jerk reaction from journalists To not confront their own obvious failure Like in that they hadn't really been reporting on the things that actually you know what I mean like Imagine there was this like ticking time bomb like the subprime mortgage.

1:46:37Yeah, you know Crisis and you were just oblivious to it right and you've been reporting on all these stories And you weren't reporting on the time bomb that was about to blow up on the working class in America So now what do you report on? Racism you know it's oh this the problem is that this other guy is lying to you and uh and when trump got elected Which I think very much was a reaction to a lot of that stuff um I think that then It was like That's when it really all fell apart because the media it was so obvious that this guy who you were telling everyone Well, this guy can't possibly win and no one cares about what he has to say and then tens of millions of people did Care about what he had to say and voted for him It was like their failure was that much more exposed and so they just had to snap into like Other explanations For what happened here?

1:47:28No, it's not that we failed on the job for 30 years. It's that Russia and racism and misinformation and like all of this stuff Um, but I do think in a lot of ways it was a concerted effort You ever see that um That cartoon Which it's like a banker in like his corner office and outside his window is all the occupy Wall Street people protesting And he's on the phone and he says introduce them to identity politics You know like I don't say I don't know if it went down exactly that way But I think that cartoons getting at something Like I think there's a reason I just don't believe that competent.

1:48:08They could brilliantly socially engineer Civilization that way I think it's a lot of the private interests that own our government are pretty competent actually You know, I think the government works in very sloppy ways But if you look at it like if you look at it from the perspective of say like you know Lockheed Martin and and Pfizer and companies making you know Hundreds of billions of dollars in profits. They're actually working very well You know like the systems working very well toward that end and um, I just don't think it was completely organic That after we had these disastrous wars in a financial crisis and after you had the tea party and the occupy Wall Street movement That all of a sudden on some grassroots level we were like we need to have a national conversation about chicks with dicks Yeah, like I don't think that just happened I don't think it's like every day that's what we got to talk about now.

1:48:57That's the new thing What is the Beautiful The trans I mean excuse me the the Russian guy who used to work for the KGB Yuri Yes, I know you're talking about um, was his last name Jamie Bentonoff He I know exactly you're talking about who gave the this the like lectures on how the Soviet Union was destroying America in the next generation And he he talked about this in 1984. Mm -hmm. This is during the Soviet Union time Yuri Bezmanov Yeah, that's him. Yuri Bezmanov gave a speech describing exactly America in 2023 describing how Russia had eroded the Soviet Union had eroded all of our institutions and gotten in there and implanted ideas of Marxism and reinforced these ideas and that this was Undoubtedly going to lead to the demise of America.

1:49:55There's the way but the way he lays it out It's it's compelling and there's definitely a lot of things that kind of happened exactly like he said they would happen Yeah, um, and it's not you know, it's all it's kind of evolved It's not really like traditional Marxism is kind of dead No one's really advocating for like government ownership of the means of production It's more now. It's just kind of like It's really like corporate control of government with this weird like what they call cultural Marxism Which I don't like the term because it means different things to so many different people But the idea that like Marx had this economic view that everything all of human history was a class struggle between like the oppressor class and the oppressed class And if you like applied that to cultural issues That's it's like describes wokeism to a T.

1:50:47Yeah, that everything can be reduced to like white black straight gay cis trans men women like it's like everything is like the oppressor class versus the oppressed Yes, which is such a shallow stupid way of analyzing. Yeah anything. It's just it's there's so much more To reality than that simplistic way of looking at things But it's so attractive to people which is really fascinating And that is what Yuri had described in the speech and how it would become How it captivate people It's just I don't want to believe you know here's an interesting thing about something like that Like even though we're saying Everything he described seems to be happening right now describes wokeism to a T describe what's happening in this country to a T I still have an impulse an undeniable impulse to reject it like no They didn't do that no, they're not that smart.

1:51:42No, that's not what happened There's a part of me for whatever weird reason and I think everybody has this part of that That doesn't want to believe that something's happening while it's happening There's a thing that's going on right now because we're so Acustom to being able to do what we do We're so accustomed to be able to drive to work and do this and hang out with your family and go out with your friends We're so accustomed to this we don't imagine a world Despite all of the evidence of history you could go see the Colosseum in Rome You could go see the the Acropolis in the Parthenon you can go see All of these great empires that no longer exist There's just stone structures where these people used to rule the fucking world But in our mind that was then and right now everything's amazing and we're perfect And if we could just get a trans president we could fucking solve this Like we are we believe in the moment We we can't look at the vast amount of data that shows up this shows us the same patterns of behavior The humans are exhibiting right now have led to Disastrous consequences in the collapse of civilizations and it's so easy when you look at those past civilizations to be like How did you guys not see it coming?

1:53:01I mean it's all around you Like how are you not completely again? You know there's so many examples like that right you It's very easy to and I have the same impulse It's very easy to look in the past and be like sweet there was slavery and you were just like okay with it Like you weren't against that every single day and then you're just like now We of course down the road is a state prison. There's a bunch of people there for weed But that's totally different that you know what I mean like it's like I don't know Then a hundred years if that all got cleaned up you'd look back at that with the exact same view You'd be like you enslaved people for like bullshit people are writing about it on their phones Which are literally made by slaves it's like there's right There's like all of this stuff right around you But if you try to zoom out and you try your best to be Disinterested and just analyze and you go okay So what are where are we right now at the United States of America?

1:53:49So we are a republic that turned into an empire got expanded all over the world something I think 700 something bases in 135 different countries trying to rule the entire world through the process of doing that We've spent ourselves 30 trillion dollars into debt and now we see massive cultural decay into just like decadence Yeah, what's that story if that's not a crumbling empire? I Don't know what a crumbling empire is. I hear the America. Fuck yeah song in the background I hear Fuck yeah Those guys are so great That's right anything better that movie was so great Where they go over just like destroy the whole place there be like you're welcome To the great movies so great so great.

1:54:41It's fun. The dad and the South Park movie The South Park move a little Sodom Hussein has a sexual affair with Hitler Oh, no, it was the devil excuse me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Hitler in that dude. No, no, no, it was Satan's a down be saying and Satan's like the South Oh, that's right and then there was real dicks. They they could show a photo of a real dick somehow or another Yeah, they always figured out a way to do it There's so on point do throughout the years. They've always just been so on point the best show of all time Yeah, it's the best comedy show of all time by far. I you know, I just introduced my 12 year old to a deal the day I just blown away 12 is a good age.

1:55:19Yeah, I'm like it's a perfect age I'm like she'd hear me talk like I'm not very filtered You know, I just tell them don't say bad words around adults and other people be respectful, but they're just words Yeah, that's okay. What I'm worried about is your feelings. I'm worried about what is your intent? So what I'm not worried about is words. I'm just at the age my my daughter is four at my my son is one And I'm just at the age now where I'm starting to hear some of the words that I say coming back out So that's gonna be the next chapter with my daughter was three My youngest daughter was three.

1:55:51We were skiing and we were leaving the hotel we packed our stuff up and my wife realized she goes um, I forgot to pack the the helmet in like this one bag and my three year old goes shit I And me and my wife look at you go no You're like all right, it's so funny too cuz like she was a side to his a side shit like Shit, but just so real like she wasn't like trying to say a bad word. It's just Just so somebody fucked up. I forgot to put the helmet in the bag and say everything's packed and stuffed in It's shit. Didn't so funny because you have like this life right where you're like so you're like with your wife When you're just a couple before you have kids and you're just a couple you know you say whatever you want And then even when you have little babies, it's like it's just not even a thing and then right around that age you go So we have we have something to confront here.

1:56:48There's two pets number one I can try to watch my mouth and I'm like babe. I'm gonna be honest with you Very low percentage chance that that works out well and the other one is what you said where you're just like okay Let them understand it's just a word, but also let them know okay, look There's there's time in places where you can't use these words my parents were hippies, you know My mother and my stepfather were hippies So from the time I was like seven years old they told me you could say whatever you want They were like just don't don't say it at school. Don't have no idea the monster they were creating You can say whatever you want to his big and audience as you want to little jailrogan Yeah, it was interesting.

1:57:32It was interesting growing up that way because like that their perspective was like Everything that the establishment has created is wrong Like this is not the way to live, you know, right? That was the whole hippie movement You know my stepfather like really long hair. The whole thing was very interesting to grow up that way because You know from the time I was seven I was like I was felt like an outsider because I had moved a lot But then also I had these parents that were really open -minded and very liberal And they just they they were like this is all bullshit like when I remember like being a child when the war and Vietnam ended I think it was like 10 years old or something like that thinking This is great now.

1:58:15We're not gonna wars anymore. I thought I really thought that man I really I've remembered that to and I remember being blown away Me and my friend Jimmy were watching the Iraq war it was like whatever you that was the first one the first W it was 1991 91 that makes sense because I was living with my friend Jimmy and We had just come home from work and we were watching on TV and he works me goes. What do you know? We're at fucking war And I was like what do you know? We're at fucking war like this is real like this is crazy like I thought we figured this out I thought we weren't doing this anymore and you know it's so crazy about that first war in Iraq is that because I remember I was a little kid a very little I've born in 83 so I was you know eight When we first felt that war but I was I remember being aware of it I remember seeing the speech when George H.

1:59:05W. Bush announced we were going And they the whole like all those same Neocons who later went to project for a new American century They were all in the George H. W. Bush Administration and then they went into his sons administration and they all said That they had conquered Vietnam syndrome as they called it This see from their perspective The country had this this terrible Vietnam syndrome After Vietnam Meaning that people didn't really want to fight wars They had this attitude that like we shouldn't fight wars because they can be really bad But see now George H. W. Bush this hero he uh he he conquered that because they showed how easy the war was Look at we fought a war now.

1:59:48It's so easy because America is so powerful. We just stormed right in there Minimal loss of life on our side Very few casualties on the American side what toppled right in there You know let's Adam Hussein stay in power, but easy peasy that war is over and terrible 30 years later We still have a military presence in Iraq That's how easy that war was is that all of these years later the war and the war continued through Clinton Not technically a war but the full blockade of the country bombing campaigns massive sanctions tons of people dying But I don't know exactly how much the UN had a study Um, which I think is bullshit But they said 500 ,000 children had died from starvation and malnutrition during the sanction campaign in the 90s bullshit I saw someone I don't exactly remember Well, I saw someone make an argument for why their estimations were wrong and the study wasn't right So anyway he was arguing and it seemed pretty compelling it seems like That actually sounds right that they were like counting the wrong way kind of um, so it probably wasn't 500 ,000 Maybe it was a hundred thousand whatever it was like children just starving due to this blockade And it was also one of the main things that really pissed off Osama bin Laden radicalized him against America it was one of his stated grievances and his declaration of war on America because we kept we kept the bases in Saudi Arabia to You know Enforced the blockade around Iraq and he was like okay, so you have your bases in our holy land to starve other muslims to death And that pissed off a lot of people over there um, but yeah that war man That war which they sold it as like look what an easy victory it was in many ways really locked us into a war for decades I remember the first casualties when a scud missile Hit those soldiers.

2:01:37I remember that was like shocking That a certain number of people had died like that we were so We we had given into this idea that it would be just they would storm it and that said and once that narrative got set Like all the United States is just wiping out the army like there's there is no army. It's a joke The whole thing's a joke. I'm like who knows going to die and then when people did die like whoa But then it becomes normal It becomes normal It becomes the idea of losing soldiers becomes normal and then all these other military actions start happening Yeah, and then 9 -11 happens and then the big ones happen and then it becomes normal for us And then you're not allowed to take photographs of coffins anymore.

2:02:23Remember those yeah, or couldn't they didn't allow Journalists to take photographs of flag draped coffins Which is What is that? What is that? I mean we Until this Ukraine war like the Ukraine war you you're seeing cell phone footage right of war atrocities You're seeing cell phone footage of I saw I got killed with a hammer they killed a guy with a sledgehammer You're seeing people get shot in foxholes a close range. You're seeing like HD footage of this stuff It's War becomes very abstract to people who haven't experienced it I think it's hard to even believe or wrap your head around like it's so hard It's hard to even think that like eat in That in a Society where we mean we have the technology that me and you are sitting in this room and we're also speaking to like millions of people and well You know go to a shop and buy something and get lunch and then we'll go do comedy tonight And someone will be like oh great chamber.

2:03:28Thank you very much. It's just like a civilized society that we still just have Mass murder sprees where we just agree like we're gonna like we haven't figured out a different way to settle these disputes It's it's like it's hard to actually believe um like and it's uh it's uh it's hard at certainly for me I don't think anyone's completely capable who hasn't seen it and certainly that applies to me of like really understanding what that is Um, but it's bad and it's just like I don't know it's just I can't like I can't believe more people aren't just You know the fionahel had I think I talked about this last time I was on but uh fionahel who uh she again This is in foreign affairs magazine not like the not like rom Paul weekly You know what I mean like I think rom Paul's the greatest hero ever But I'm saying this isn't like what the kooky libertarian say like me this like fionahel and foreign affairs magazine She was the one who reported that they had a peace deal worked out basically you know in pencil not in pen But like in principle they had a peace deal worked out and that Boris Johnson as a representative of the west Went over there in convinced sylonsky not to negotiate But not to negotiate don't you give him one inch it's like they want and this is what it seems like for real It seems like they want this war they want to prolong it to bleed the Russians dry That's their plan I did you like Jesus man, but why wouldn't they be that evil?

2:04:48I mean why wouldn't they be that evil when they're that evil everywhere else? That's what's fucked up. It's hard for us to think that's a fact Yeah, it's it's hard for us to and when you're going about your day just hanging out in New York and Fucked visiting your favorite coffee shop. It's hard to believe that you're a part of that. Yeah. Well, it's injured One of the things that's like I guess it's like after a while like one of the things that helps me understand this Is like you look at people in their track record is that we have a very short Attention span, you know as a country, but it's like we look at so one of the absolute best people on the war in Russian Ukraine People really want to learn about this stuff is John Meersheimer who is the dean of the realist school of foreign policies Like a world -renowned scholar this guy is not again not a non -interventionist libertarian like me just like a scholar who's like Talks about foreign policy and stuff and he's written and spoken extensively about Ukraine Russia And he was one of the big opponents of this whole policy and meanwhile So after the you know after the government was overthrown the one that Gideon Rose was so happy about when we stole Ukraine away We stole Robin from Batman Victoria Newland and Gideon Rose and all of those people who were pushing for this policy they all said this is wonderful Ukraine is choosing to join the liberal world order and they're choosing democracy and hope and everything is going to be wonderful for them Their country is going to flourish and John Meersheimer said and his quote was it was an electorate he gave in 2015 He said America is leading Ukraine down the prim rose path And which I didn't understand what that means exactly, but it sounds real good But what it means basically is like we're leading you down this beautiful path that ends in your demise And then basically we were encouraging them to play tough with the Russians And it's like don't worry you got America's got your back You know it's like you it's like you convincing some dude who doesn't know how to fight like go fight this guy Because like I got your back and they're like oh, okay, well Joe Rogan's black belt.

2:06:52He's got my back I'll go fucking fight this guy and then when you fight the guy you're like well I'm not gonna like jump in the fight with you, but like I'll yell instructions to you while you're in the fight You're like throwing in an arm bar and they're like what's an arm bar? You know, I'm like just kidding So we like led them down this path and so like okay, what maybe you don't agree But like whose prediction was better John Meersheimer's or you know Gideon Rose You know who was who predicted what was happening here better the guy who said this was gonna be disaster for Ukraine or the guy who said Yay We're stealing Robin away.

2:07:25Ha ha. We distracted you Putin with the Olympics Like oh that distraction didn't work very well um And so it's just like it's horrible like but that's kind of that's one of the the things that you know one of the things It's so interesting about this this war too is like when people will defend it You I almost want to ask people So what if this war is so necessary or it's so necessary for us to arm them Why shouldn't we intervene militarily? Why why isn't America's military going into Ukraine? Why are we invading Russia? Why aren't we at least occupying Ukraine and forcing we certainly have the conventional forces to force Russians army out of there No problem So why aren't we doing that and the reason we're not doing that is because everyone knows oh we can't do that because that's nuclear war That's nuclear war in a certainty So you're like okay, so that's nuclear war so know it that's off the table Biden's not even suggesting that but so then What does it go from like a certainty of nuclear war to what's the risk of nuclear war if we're just fighting a proxy war and giving them hundreds of billions of dollars and pledging till the end that will drive Russia out Well, the risk doesn't go to zero You know what I mean it goes to something maybe last but it's still something But so we're not still terrifying still way more than we should be willing to take yeah if Vancouver got armed by the Russians And you were then Vancouver was Attacking Seattle.

2:08:50Yeah, like what do you think would happen? How everyone know I mean everyone knows what would happen America would start blowing shit up like crazy. Yeah, we would go to war with the world if anyone ever and look Jack Kennedy fucking set it right he literally said that I mean Literally, but he basically said he said you put these missiles in Cuba. I will blow up the world I'm treating this as a preemptive nuclear strike on America if you do that Get those missiles the hell off of Cuba and I think most people go Yeah, that's reasonable you know like it's kind of reasonable to say we cannot tolerate Soviet nuclear warheads pointed at us from a little island a few miles off our coast That's just like can't be and like look we have a monro doctrine monro doctrine says that America does not tolerate any far away power Coming in and interfering in our realm of influence, okay, and Essentially what Vladimir Putin has been saying for years Was like well, I want a monro doctrine for Ukraine Like I want a monro doctrine for this part of the world and that doesn't mean he's a good guy And that doesn't mean that that's a perfect system But at least prior to invading Ukraine he had a point Like he had a reasonable point to say I don't want you interfering in my biggest neighbor right here And a very strategically important area to him Dude hold that thought I got a pee.

2:10:20Yeah All right, we're back um, so the The the leak document like what was your thoughts on that because the whole thing was crazy that this guy had access to it That and do I guess he was showing into his friends or something is I know well it seems that way You know a lot of people kind of were uh, we're criticizing the guy and they were kind of saying like well look This guy's no ed Snowden. I mean he didn't like take this to Glenn Greenwald at the Guardian To have him vet through it and properly disclose it He's like brag into friends on a discord server or whatever and Essentially that seems right to me like that does kind of seem like what happened But Again like that's not the interesting story here The interesting story isn't like what this guy's deal was or what his motives were the story is like oh the government's lying to you again And also that it's they have this uh information that they claim is so vital that it's so horrible He leaked it and yet you're so reckless with it that you know, it's like is funny I remember Glenn Greenwald making this point When people would talk about uh, like people were at the national security apparatus or whatever would be talking about how how reckless it is That Snowden just like gave all of this information out and you're like well then weren't you pretty reckless too Because like if this information's so vital You didn't even know it was gone right they didn't even know it was gone until uh the Guardian published it and then they were like oh I guess this guy took all of our documents um what another What did the documents say well it was just right before that one of the other real interesting thing Is that they came out so a A couple days after uh the leak first like was getting reported the Reuters had a piece an article uh where they had three high -level US officials under and an emity Said that you'll never believe this Joe it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation And so isn't it just amazing that they'll go and then like two days later They completely gave up on that and went let's just smear the kid who did it you know like I forget all that stuff There were some some interesting revelations from from the documents things like uh they um They're Evidently there are NATO and US military embedded in Ukraine Um like help assisting them basically Uh, which is which is pretty dangerous um Western Special Forces operating inside Ukraine One documented 23 March refers to the presence of a small number of Western Special Forces Operating inside Ukraine without specifying their activities or location the UK has the largest contingent 50 followed by Latvia 17 France 15 and the US 14 the Netherlands won Western governments typically refrain from commenting on such sensitive matters But this detail is likely to be seized upon by Moscow Which has in recent months argued that it is not just confronting Ukraine but NATO as well Oh And and essentially look this was the um I think what when Putin ultimately decided to invade Ukraine last year I think basically what he concluded Was that They did it They brought Ukraine into NATO Even though Ukraine is not an official NATO country at this point They backed the coup that over through the democratic uh the democratically elected government under Yannick obit They poured weapons into the country and they were doing um joint training exercises with NATO and the Ukrainian military And I think Vladimir Putin was basically like we told them this was our brightest of red lines And they crossed it And I got to do something Now I'm not saying he should have done this.

2:14:15There's other things he could have done Um, there's there's lots of things. I mean, I don't know exactly you get creative But he could have cut off all natural gas to Europe You could have dropped a nuke in the ocean. I mean he could have done something before he did this You know, but he basically concluded that Ukraine is is de facto a member of NATO And if you look at the way we're responding to this whole thing he's he's kind of right I mean like we're backing them all the way because they were invaded That's what we're supposed to do to a NATO country, you know Um, and so this is bad that this comes out.

2:14:45Although I got to say I'm surprised to some degree how much uh You know, they've I mean nor if the Nord Stream bombing didn't you know like do it I don't know if just like some special forces being embedded there is gonna like you know create some big escalation, but um But yeah, this this is something Stream bombing is wild Well, look dude. I mean there's been in the last you know Trump predicted That Germany if they don't If they don't take steps to stop this they're gonna be completely dependent upon Russian oil and It was one of those things where people were making fun of them at the time like what are you talking about?

2:15:21I don't know. I don't know if I completely agree with Trump on that But there's there's no question that but they are dependent upon it now, right? Because of the Nord Stream pipeline blowing up Well, not anymore. It doesn't exist anymore But I think that There's a lot of a lot of people were There a lot of very powerful people were Very against the Nord Stream pipeline right. I have a different uh, I have a different view of it I think it's it was great um, but I you know there's it was great. Yes. Why? Because the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the world was Germany and Russia going to war And world war two something like 30 million people died just in that conflict.

2:16:04It's like the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the world And so for them to be interconnected and interdependent Which is how I would see it trading, you know like we're goods cross -borders armies don't have to that old saying I think it would have been a good thing for them to be together. Oh look now You're directly incentivized to not be enemies because you want the cheap natural gas and they want your money for their cheap natural gas And so however there is There's a big view um From like the neo conservatives and the neo liberals the kind of establishment that this is the scariest thing The scariest thing is that uh, Germany and Russia align um, and uh, I don't know exactly if this is true But some people like um Blinking on the guy's name that the guy who founded a stratford Friedman I believe is his name He basically said that this is the centerpiece of American foreign policy since world war two that like the whole idea of NATO is to like keep Germany in and Russia out And that their biggest fear is that uh, Germany and Russia would You know unite against us and that that could be the only thing that could really challenge American power is like the Ingenuity of Germany with the manpower and natural resources of Russia So there's a lot of people who have been against this from the very beginning No one would ever think of that today like your average person today would think maybe Germany and Russia could unite again You well, you know, it's the fun I mean like that's not But to though well to you know, did some people look that the neo conservatives um Who uh are and let me say this delicately.

2:17:47Well, let me preface this. I'm Jewish Okay, so let me just say that there's a there a lot of Jewish people in the neo conservative like movement And there this is part of the reason why they're very very pro -Israel um, it's also part of the reason And i'll say somewhat understandably while like it's a big German independence is a big concern to them They still live with that kind of like this is the great fear that Germany will rise again one day And like oh if they're connected with Russia like this. Oh, they're not under the EU's thumb and NATO's thumb anymore Now they could possibly go in a different direction So for years there were a lot of people who were against this um now when Ukraine Invaded i'm sorry when Russia invaded Ukraine.

2:18:32They did turn off the pipe like like uh Germany was boycotting there and that so they weren't using any of the gas from the pipe however They've also adopted all of these crazy like climate policies and like completely destroyed a lot of their own internal energy sources Like they've denuclearized and all that stuff and so i think the concern was that going into winter What if there's pressure on them to decide to turn these pipes on And that this might be uh, then Germany might start you know Siding with Russia or at least if they're getting their natural gas from Russia They're not going to be so harsh on on Russia and they're not going to be so willing to play ball with the EU And there's already you know like a history of this like what i was talking about before at the bukarest summit In 2008 when they announced Ukraine was going into um it would would eventually join NATO Uh, it was it was merkle was really against it They got that in over her wishes So they're already a little concern that like maybe Germany is not quite as anti -Russia as we are And so going into the winter i think they were concerned There was going to be a strain on on power in germany and they might be tempted to uh turn that that pipeline back on And so they made sure it's uh as Victoria Nuland said a hunk of metal at the bottom of the safe Could you fucking imagine if some time in the future we're going to war with Germany and Russia united against america Yeah, well i think i think much much more of a concern than that to me right now at least is look at how crazy is this That over the last year while this war has been going on NATO has been attacked twice There was missiles in in Poland and there was the Nord Stream bomb And there's two attacks on NATO and yet Both of them didn't come from russia You know what i mean now if you remember the do you remember the story a few months back So there was these missiles hit Poland killed a couple people there Zelinsky immediately said this was Putin and that the west has to respond Then eventually a couple days later it came out it was actually ukrain They were like oh is an accident That's what they say it's an accident I mean who knows maybe it was intentional to try to blame on russia or something like that But even saying it was an accident okay, they accidentally attacked NATO And then the Nord Stream pipeline which was clearly not russia No, but that was what they said at first.

2:20:56Oh, this is a russia blew up their own pipeline Why you saw the video Biden saying that they would do something like that? Yeah, he promised that it would happen. Yeah, you know, which is just wild The whole thing is just it's all in front of our faces Well, it's an active industrial terrorism and like environmental terrorism to do this And you know si harsh reported and I trust that guy a lot more than I trust most other Journalists and he reported that it was America um Even I think the New York Times now concluded that they said it was some pro -Ukrainian Group and you're like okay, but That includes all of us Do you see the article in the New York Times that said maybe we should know yeah, yeah, that's great journalism right there We don't know who it was the title was literally something like we don't know who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline And that might be for the best or something It's like you can't like I don't know you can't make this shit up like really such a crazy thing for a journalist to write Well, I mean, I remember sometimes you can just kind of like You know, you can just look at these things logically like I remember um in 2017 Is when I was uh when I was still a contributor on a se cup show and she was at a CNN and The the big story came out that Assad had gassed his own people And I remember right away and this is before any of those like OC PW whistleblowers came out or anything like that But just right away remember the day after being on TV and just being like I don't think he did this And they're like how can you say that everyone saying he did this and you're like well look at it It's like Two weeks ago Trump announced that we're leaving Syria like we're withdrawing from Syria he won After this five year bloody civil war where he's been fighting for his life to not be Moe Mar Qaddafi He is just announced that he won and so now you're telling me for no strategic military advantage He just did the one thing that will keep this war going and make him maybe end up like Moe Mar Qaddafi like that doesn't make any sense I don't I'm not buying this and then it did kind of come out as these whistleblowers were like Yeah, I didn't come from the sky it came from the ground and it was done in you know Rebel controlled territory and like it does does not look like it was Assad Um But I remember when they first it was like the same thing when they first grade we think Russia blew up their own pipeline like But why?

2:23:21Why would they like this just so you're telling me Vladimir Putin just took away the option that Germany might cave this winter and want to buy his natural gas again Why would he do that and then of course it comes out later like no that's not what it was It was probably British intelligence or some some US allied group if not directly us and so yeah That's pretty crazy. It's pretty hard to like look at that and still feel like we're just the good guys Yeah in this war and again when I say we just for everyone disclaimer for this entire Like those great M &M lyrics. I'm all for America. Fuck the government when I say America did this or America's wrong I'm not talking about you or your daddy or your hometown or anything like that I'm just talking about like Bill Clinton and George W.

2:24:04Bush and Barack Obama and Dick Cheney and Donald Trump and you know all of them Did Bill Clinton Jeffrey Epstein's rapist friend that's who I'm talking about Turns out these guys aren't good people It's so wild when you you if you looked at us from outside of us And you you looked at the human race and these patterns that repeat themselves over and over again You would wonder like why aren't they seeing these patterns like why don't they recognize when these things are happening As they've happened to so many civilizations before like what is it about Watching everything erode before your eyes that's not Shocking enough to wake people up to what's happening well sometimes I think there's kind of like a pattern and there's big forces at play That are hard for individuals to get a hold of you know like there's kind of this thing where there's like Governments are power centers and they're just They're it's not just like in the same way every business kind of wants to get bigger wants to have more profit You want to have more listeners to your podcast you want to have you just kind of want more But the government isn't in the in the market.

2:25:20It's not like Oh, I have to provide something of value in order to get more People voluntarily to listen to my show or come to my business or something like that They're in the game of take things. They're in the game of force. Pay your taxes or you go to jail You know like this that's the government is a monopoly on legal aggression like on force And so governments it's almost impossible to stop them from just getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger And the bigger they get the more corrupt things get and the more power they have and it's almost like this cycle You know, we're like if a government is limited Then the country is prosperous because they have more freedom And then the more prosperous they are the more the government has that they can leach off of And then the government gets bigger and bigger and bigger and it's almost like I don't know What can happen to stop that cycle?

2:26:10You know the thing that makes me optimistic Is that they really rely on propaganda Like they really need the propaganda and they know it you know They know they can't just like roll out the vaccine mandates without a huge propaganda campaign They got to convince you and then try to get away with their tyrannical policies And I do think that the propaganda is being undermined more than ever more than ever Like it's really really hard for them it'd be really really hard for them to sell us on some next bullshit policy Much harder than it used to be and think about how easy it was after 9 -11 George Bush could have done whatever he wanted to yeah, yeah, that's how we got into Iraq Yeah, I mean did you get a blank check?

2:26:51Yeah, everybody was like take care of it. Yep. Take care of it Yeah, I mean I remember feeling the the strangest sense of patriotism driving down the road and seeing everybody with an American flag hanging off their car People were all in yeah, dude. I was 18 when 9 -11 happened and I was living in prospectites Which is like it's um if you flap push avenue kind of runs down to them in Hatton bridge And the Brooklyn bridge is down there too. It's like a couple miles away from the World Trade Center and I remember um Get we got out of school I think I was a senior in high school and we got out of school and I remember walking to my house at flap and looking down Flatbush avenue So this has been a couple hours now since the towers came down and seeing people covered head to toe in Sut Like walk like they walked over the Brooklyn bridge and just came home because there's like no subways running or nothing So they're just walking just cover like oh that guy got caught in the you know in the middle of it And it was a crazy feeling in the city the whole thing was insane It seemed like we it seemed impossible no one could ever hit us.

2:27:57This is America in the 90s You know, I mean it wasn't the 90s, but it was two it was still the 90s in tail 9 -11 You know what I mean? Um, and you were like this is a kid this isn't possible this couldn't happen And I remember when George W. Bush came and gave that speech on the the megaphone Yeah, and it was it was like almost perfect in his simplistic, you know way where he goes I want you to know we hear you in Washington DC and pretty soon the people who knock down these towers They're gonna hear you too, and I remember being like fuck yeah You just picked a fight with the baddest mother fuckers and we're gonna fuck your shit up You know, but I was an idiot fucking you know kid, but if I I fell for it completely Um, everybody did you know, but it was just like that's that's kind of how it is when you're hurt And you feel like you got hit and they killed our people Well, we're gonna fucking kill your people mother fucker But then you kind of realized and this is what like Ron Paul taught me is it's like Yeah, okay, you know that impulse that you just had Exactly That's what they feel So it's like the same way that you went you kill us mother fucker.

2:29:03We're gonna kill your fucking people We go that's That's it That's the same exact thing that the fucking terrorists are feeling That's the same thing their sides feeling that we're like oh yeah, you come here and bomb our fucking village We're gonna kill your fucking people, you know And you know, it's kind of like that's the whole fucking cycle It's like I don't know it's like I you know, I remember literally saying this when I was arguing with uh sq cup and them On our show where they'd be like that like an attack even like the littler ones I remember there was one where like a New York guy Some some Muslim guy in New York like hit people with his car and he was like Said he was part of ISIS or something.

2:29:41I don't even know how connected he was and they're like They're all like well don't we have to do something about this I mean don't we have to go bomb? I you know, Sarri are do something about this and you're like right You just got hit and now you feel like we have to do something but what's something Blow shit up Right? Yeah, it's not just like something like give a speech. You're saying we got to blow shit up over this like all right Well Maybe that's their perspective too And also once you blow shit up people want to blow shit up back. Yeah, that's and now you're just continuing this And so like oh, we got to fight him over there so we don't fight him over here But you're like well, maybe that actually ensures that we have to fight him over here And isn't it wild that during this most chaotic of times in our history if we think about the we think about the future Of the world we think about the few the possible possibility of war.

2:30:32It's escalated and We have the craziest situation As a president and advice is it's the thing is wild like the only options we have what or from the right or the left We're like what the fuck this is it? Like this is all that's left. It's like going to the supermarket during the pandemic and there's nothing on the shelves Yeah, like oh my god All that's here is a Trump and abiden we're gonna eat apples We're really all right. We're gonna need a jar of mayonnaise and pickles. Oh my god It's all this here and it's and the thing about it that's kind of crazy is that it's like it is so entertaining Even though you kind of know it's a disaster like I remember when Trump announced he was running again It was literally like my exact I was like this is so bad for the country god damn.

2:31:21This is gonna be fun Like all in one thought like god damn. This is gonna be funny as shit Like I definitely was that The devil lose funny No, but I'm saying 24 is gonna be funny like it's just but it's uh It's bad Hopefully hopefully there's like more I really hope that um That Robert Kennedy Jr's campaign like Has some impact and like takes off. I hope more good people run. How could he possibly win? Well, he's probably not gonna win if they're we right so like All he's doing is getting the message out Getting the message out, but I don't I think that's that's valuable You know, I think that's very valuable and I also think things like that can Like there it can like check the establishment a little bit if they're like whoa A lot of people like what these guys saying maybe we can't get away with this right now Maybe we can't get away with that like there have been examples of that before where that happens They try to do something and they realize this is gonna be too Like too many people are gonna be upset about this yeah wasn't there talked during the Obama administration about some sort of regulation of the internet Yeah, the soap uh built the soap and not pipe uh, they were like these proposals that were like real deal gonna regulate the internet Not like big tech censorship shut like really the government was gonna regulate the internet I'm telling you Joe they to shut your show down if that should have passed 100 % if soap had passed There's no way your uh podcast goes through the pandemic No, there's no way you're allowed to have dissident Doctors and scientists on to give like their point of view on how the whole every policy is wrong They just wouldn't have allowed it and so and and so that didn't happen We're still like in the game with a fighting shot because enough people you know got furious about that And look I should be fair There was also corporate help with that like back then a lot of the tech companies were against it Because they were still like they weren't in bed with the government as much back then And there was like I believe Google was really against it and so they helped push kind of that message So I do think also Like we're gonna need a mass awakening in this country But we're also gonna need like powerful people This is like what you see what's really encouraging with with Elon Musk buying Twitter is you kind of see that like Yeah, that's necessary too.

2:33:41You got to have like a badass billionaire Who's like on board with this right who can actually do something about it because he's so valuable Yeah, yeah that move. I know that pissed a lot of people off. There's a lot of people that are just missing the fucking point man They're mad that The questionable people are allowed to be on it listen the fucking That all sorts of questionable people are already on there. Yeah, the Taliban's on Twitter the the CCP's on Twitter Joe Biden All types of bad people there's there's always been people like There's always been people on Twitter. Yes. Yes, and and come on.

2:34:20It's like it's also like you kind of just like miss You know like don't just don't get it twisted. It's like again like when it's like what I try to say with the Ukraine thing It's like look If the people who didn't have anything to say over what happened in Yemen over the last like seven years are really upset about the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine It's like Just don't be a fucking mark. Right like see what's going on here I'm not saying you can't be upset over the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine But I'm just saying recognize what they are doing. They don't really care about the humanitarian crisis They're using this they're they're manipulating you and in the same sense Don't think the people who are like all four big tech don't look you may really hate if there's like a neo -nazi or something like that like on Twitter or something You know, okay, I get it.

2:35:02I get where you hate that but understand why they hate it. Yeah, they don't hate it because of that Like they don't care about that. They they got no problem sending weapons to the neo -nazis in Ukraine Which by the way we haven't touched on that but there's some real deal ones in there But my point is it's not that they hate neo -nazis they hate dissidents Okay, so you might find one example of a dissident who we all agree is a real bad guy or something like that But they're not shutting down people like Judd for that. They're shutting down Alex Barenson for making data driven arguments about why the covid policies are wrong Yeah, guys to the right for the New York Times.

2:35:34Yes, that's who they are going after you know what I mean So like asking him to be removed. What are you doing about it? And it's always in like coded kind of mafia so yes You know it turns like yeah, I didn't technically say you should you should get Alex Barenson off I just went what's up with his parents and cards. Yeah, there's he has a lawsuit now. Yeah, yeah Well, he didn't he win his lawsuit against Twitter originally against the old He has won against the Biden administration. That's real interesting. Yeah, good for him I think he wants to find out what was said he wants to find out what what did you do like what the internal discussions were there Right you guys are trying to remove my first amendment rights.

2:36:13Yeah, and it was data driven stuff that he was talking about You're trying to silence a journalist But that's also you realize that it's kind of like that's why it just all has to be protected You can't silence journalists, but but it's also why it's it's like Even if he wasn't making data driven arguments he should have a right to make the arguments You know what I'm saying like even if even if it's not like you have to protect even the dangerous speech Otherwise, you have no leg to stand on so like anything short of incitement of violence or some type of criminal activity or something like that But you have to like it's like Otherwise you have this slippery slope and it's it's amazing how quickly it happened right like you remember when that happened with Alex Jones So like not that long ago that it was like oh all of the companies colluded together to all kick him off in silence him at once And then everyone goes like yeah, but it's just Alex Jones, you know And then like before you know it.

2:37:06Oh, it's not just Alex Jones It's gonna keep going. It's it's a thing that feeds off of Removing people that you disagree with and this is why Elon Musk pisses them off so much It's the same reason why Donald Trump pisses them off so much. It's almost like he interrupted The inevitability of them winning. Yeah, you know what like progressives will say um You're gonna be on the wrong side of history. Yes, which is like a really presumptuous thing if you think about it Like you're saying you already know how history is written and that you are the right side of it Yeah, but that kind of is their world view that it's like look we're going in this direction And that's the correct direction and what's gonna happen next is Hillary Clinton is gonna be president You say that's the next step And they're like well this wasn't supposed to happen Trump was not supposed to be here and then same thing was like we're going in the direction of content moderation And you know cracking down on misinformation whatever they're you from this for it all People you disagree with yes, and then all of a sudden Elon Musk you're like wait what a what Yeah, the richest man in the world had 44 billion to burn and he just bought Twitter And it's like and you know so you could criticize him It's a Twitter hasn't been perfect since he took it over there's like you know It could always be better or whatever, but um, but it's pretty awesome that he did this It's pretty awesome the um getting away eliminating verification Is weird like it is the strange because like that seems to look If regular people want to get verified and there's a fee for that that makes sense Okay, just it pays for the site But if and especially for people that are addicted to it and they're honored at all day long anyway like to just give him some money But for celebrities and like musicians and people and you know like that There could be someone impersonating them Like why don't you just give them their check?

2:39:00Yeah, it makes it work better for all all of us And it does add to confusion a little bit When when uh Don lemon announced that he uh was fired from CNN There was no check mark next to his name and I'm like I'm like oh This is I thought I got caught. This is someone trolling like you know what I mean So that's a little bit confusing. That's I don't that doesn't make sense to me that makes the experience of using the app less good I agree with that um, I love labeling state funded media State funded media. I love seeing the reaction So funny the reaction of NPR yeah, like this is outrageous right But it's true Well, are they just one percent state funded?

2:39:41No, it's actually much more than that because then they like they They get it's like one percent is directly funded by the state And then they also take money from like local groups that have like collected taxpayer money and stuff like that So it's it's actually more um uh crystal ball um did a thing on uh on their show kind of breaking this down So it's actually it's actually in reality. It's more than one percent But regardless it does they take taxpayer funded money So like I think there's nothing wrong with labeling them that and if taxpayers are forced to fund any amount of of a news Organization and then that news organization is gonna turn around and say like we won't report on the hunter Biden laptop Or we won't do this or we won't you know it's uh their stuff during covid was just god awful I have no problem with them having a little label there especially one that pisses them off I love that who did he label 69 % state funded oh, I don't know is it the BBC maybe maybe I'll probably I also love that he's I love that he's having fun with that yeah, there's just something great about it Oh, he's he's a billionaire troll.

2:40:49Yeah, he likes to troll people the fucking one that he did with Bill Gates is my all -time favorite When he had a photo of Bill Gates was standing next to the emoji of a pregnant man And it said if you want to lose a boner real quick That's so crazy The twitter label cbc's account cbc okay 69 % government funded media opinions were mixed on whether or not Elon Musk was Musk was making a sex joke Or just thumping his nose the Canadian broadcast corporation or both so yeah, it says 69 % government funded media Is that the actual member? I don't know I think uh this happened though during it too We're Chinese journalists that had that label on their account.

2:41:31Oh Wow, Twitter drops government funded label on media accounts including in China Well, he did yeah, no, I know he dropped it on the ones he dropped it on on NPR too I think he was just fucking with them for a little while, but he's like all right I don't actually got to realize ladies and gentlemen that oppose him. This is so much better than the alternative Because the alternative is a system like China has where it's a state controlled system Like they're they're social media is monitored like people go to jail for dissenting Well, it's very dangerous. Well, look, I mean if you Kind of show you this video video shows how China is using AI in their schools Again, so this is from an Instagram account that is popular What they show is like an edited video.

2:42:16I don't know how accurate all this is though, but China No exactly when someone isn't paying attention But it's not These headbands measure each student's level of concentration. Oh my god. The information is then directly sent to the teacher's computer and to parents Placers have robots that analyze students health and engagement levels Students wear uniforms with chips that track their locations There are even surveillance cameras that monitor how often students check their phones or yarn during classes The schools say it wasn't hard for them getting parental consent to enroll kids into what is one of the world's largest experiments in AI education A program that's supposed to boost students grades while also feeding powerful algorithms Whoa, yeah, whoa, they're gonna kill us.

2:43:14Wow They're gonna dominate but sometimes there's I just I'm always a little bit skeptical of some of these things because you're kind of like Okay, is this just like one random school is doing it this way in China and it's like a little experiment because I have heard people like say that like Like I've heard people who like run businesses in China Like I heard a podcast with this one guy who lived there or still lives there in China and he was like I don't know what everyone's talking about with this credit Social credit score he goes I've never heard of it. It's never affected me I don't have a social credit score.

2:43:46You know what I just almost like wonder like sometimes we we do get a lot of propaganda About China because there's also a whole bunch of people like who are real hawkish toward them So I always try to kind of be skeptical of some of this no doubt the CCP is really creepy You know what I mean? And they're definitely like an authoritarian and fucked up government They're dictated. Yes, a one -party dictatorship for sure and when you've got something like that That's how you're on it. Yeah, but there were like um like that dude Adrian Zen who was like he was like putting out a lot of the stuff about the the wiger genocide and he was like drastically Like misrepresenting what's happening and he actually I believe he apologized for it But he just got called out like like literally like just doing bad math Like oh, you didn't carry the one here motherfucker.

2:44:34It's 10 times less than what you're saying and it's not like the evidence for that is not nearly What they kind of suggested it's it's more seems like oh yeah China's a real authoritarian government They limit how many people every how many children everyone can have and it's okay They don't have the one the one you know child policy anymore now you're allowed three or whatever But like it's it's like it wasn't quite like the story that was originally put out there I just always get worried about that I I have not seen German scholar named Adrian Zenz has recently stood out on the anti -China stage With his reports accusing China of detaining weggers and other minority groups or imposing sterilization on ethnic minorities in its How do you say that Jin Zhang?

2:45:23I believe that's right Jin Zhang Zenz has been welcomed by the US and western media as a leading expert on Jin Zhang he was quoted by Pompeo When Pompeo declared that they were committing a genocide Okay, so was it say Full of lies far fetched assumptions and baseless accusations There's if Yeah, if you go they did a good piece on this if you go to anti -war comm which I recommend everyone do every day And just search Adrian Zenz there. They did a really good piece breaking down like how his it's like straight up like his math is It's not even like there's an argument about this. It's like no look.

2:46:07He's got these numbers completely wrong So it's just people get real carried away with this shit and my biggest concern is just that like after this whole stand in Ukraine Taiwan is gonna fucking be next and it's like oh So now we're gonna be flirting with a nuclear confrontation with Russia and China So that's like my biggest concern in all of this. I do I do agree though that the whole like AI in the classroom and all this shit is creepy as fuck I don't want it on my kids nationwide First of all the problem would be it would work And kids would get way better because you'd make them work. Yeah, it forced them You'd hold them accountable.

2:46:43There wouldn't be any hiding It was for that it would also be Terrible for getting people to recognize That figures of authority should be questioned. You're not gonna develop any of that You're going to have to adhere very strictly to these rules. Yeah, so I think part of Going through school is Learning that different people are more or less effective at communicating That you want to pay attention to them more or less that the there's something there's an education You're getting in a shitty class believe it or not you're getting an education and what happens in a shitty class About how much you hate it and how much it sucks and how stupid your teacher is yeah And how disinterested they are in the subject that they're teaching you and how they expect Total compliance and they don't understand human emotions and the way people think and behave That's a that's an education too like going through bad schools gave me a great view on what Some potential some adults are potentially like I learned a lot from really awful teachers about what I don't want to be in this world Yeah, man think about how much interaction you have as a child with adults Right you have your parents and you have your friends parents and then very rarely are you alone with strangers Except when you go to school and then you go to school and you get sent by the least motivated I mean sent to the least motivated people oftentimes some people that aren't happy to be there They don't enjoy it Especially if it's a bad neighborhood.

2:48:17It's a sketchy job to begin with you might get jumped by some kids and these people are just brow beaten and they get in there and they don't even want to be there And these are responsible for showing your children for most of the day What an adult is like yeah, and if that kid doesn't have a strong figure at home If that kid doesn't have someone at home That's kind and generous and works hard and is very engaged in them with their life Then they think that that's what adults are like and has been for since the beginning You know, it's kind of important that they had that already for years before they they go to school You know that's still better than robots.

2:48:57Yeah, I still better. I mean I want compliance Yeah, I want my kids to develop like Discipline and a work ethic and I want like all of that stuff But I don't want them to do it because the robots watching them right I wanted to do I want them to live and be a human and then be convinced that like Oh, it's really awesome to develop these things because life's better that way But there's also something that we have to take into consideration that there's all there's a wide spectrum of things that people are interested in And oftentimes when kids are bored in class their imagination is running wild And they'll start thinking about what they want to do with their life.

2:49:32They'll start thinking about things through Bored them, but Joe if we just give them this pill No, they'll pay attention. I know. Thank God that shit wasn't around when I was a kid Oh my god, I would have been medicated for sure If I like like parents who couldn't handle it. I got Medic so I I'm lucky in a sense But I got diagnosed with 80 day and they prescribed me riddle in and I think my mother begrudgingly put me on it for a week And I was just fucking I just a little kid tweaking out on fucking riddle in and I wouldn't eat or sleep And so she took me off it right away and she was like no fuck it.

2:50:11We're not doing this Um, and then I never did. I'm thank God. I got off it. Yeah So you really don't I mean like I've done Adderall like as an adult you know what I mean? And you're like, you know, this is a serious drug man to just be giving this to children Is really insane because he's a little boy who wants to run around Like let him run around more You know, it's wild that different ways of thinking about life and different things being interested in whether or not you could pay attention can be a disease Like if you can't pay attention to things like we think there's something wrong with where your mind works But meanwhile those kids who can't pay attention things watch them play a fucking video game Watch them play world of warcraft watch them play Whatever the fuck the kids play today.

2:50:58What do they play? What's the big one? Yeah, one of those fucking things They these motherfuckers can play that shit all day long and be fully locked in how come because it's interesting because they're kids Kids are bored. It's fuck and if they they haven't been interested in math previously and then they're behind And then they're trying to pay attention in class I remember just struggling through math because I was so dumb. I was like are there calculators? And they'll like yes, I do have like basically an unlimited supply batteries and they'll like yes I'm like well I'm out Well, I'll figure all this shit out with a comment.

2:51:37I'm not learning how to do that But that was the the stupidest way to think But as a kid that left me thinking about other stuff like I was bored and because of bored I would scribble on my notebook. I would draw I would think about things You know the the history of school where it comes from the term school it comes from Prussia as they they were the first ones to invent school And this is the Prussian system is what we adopted in America the Prussians were the geographical and cultural precursor to the Nazis And the reason they did it was because they had this problem That um, they're conscripted armies would not fight Like they'd get out there and you they'd draft these people into an army and tell them to go to war and they'd like piss themselves and run away And they were like what are we gonna do about this and so they're like we got to get them at a young age And really like indoctrinate them toward like being subservient to the state And Horus Mann who's considered you know the godfather of education in America He literally said I think it was in the late 1800s.

2:52:45He literally said we're adopting the Prussian model And he was like but you know surely if this model can be used to support like Prussian You know like authoritarianism It can also be used to support Republicanism of America you know and like uh support the great republic and it's literally I mean that is the first thing they would do at schools is like have you pledge allegiance to your government You know and um, that's why I do think it's interesting when a lot of these uh You know like right wing or types today they'll be like oh my god They're propagandizing these kids in school and I will grant that I do find the latest Um insane gender sexualization of kids to be particularly troubling It's not like it's a new thing that they're propagandizing kids in school In fact, that's kind of what the whole thing was set up for and it's like it's at you know like my kids are like They're I got little little kids, but like even just from like like my four -year -old man It's just like the state of these little kids are so magical and amazing and all they want like they have this amazing passion for life That's built into them all my four -year -old ever wants to do is ask me why Like that's all she wants to do is understand how things work she wants me to explain the tarry she wants to help You know what I mean like everything you can think of she wants to do a little task and then say I helped You know like mom baked muffins and I helped I stirred like they want so badly to know things and participate in the adult world And then we're like oh okay well what we're gonna do with you for the next uh 14 years Is send you to go sit in a row of desks and memorize and regurgitate information that an authority figure yeah Hands to it.

2:54:27It's just horrible. They're like that's the best we could come up with With the did in the 1800s and Prussia That's what you've got for me and we're so locked into this idea that that's how to do it. Yeah Yeah, like they can't learn how to read and write and learn something about history and math in a different way That's like better I'm not saying I have the answer to it. It's just like someone smarter than me showed well the problem is people are busy And you don't have enough time to invest in your kids education restructuring a lot of people don't at least yeah Yeah, that's the thing about it is you just kind of what's the best school in my area yeah, you fall into that And of course because the schools are you know largely monopolized by the government Yeah, it was also like there's not that much ability to change things and try new things and try you know I think there's a really important factor that goes on with schools though and then it's These kids getting together and recognized and these teachers are idiots It's like When you have a conversation with your kids as they get older they're gonna tell you about some idiot teachers and that these conversations are hilarious I got I got to witness some in California because my daughter during the pandemic was on zoom So she'd have to do zoom school Okay, so or whatever it was you know the right streaming service they used and so I get to set in a room While she was doing zooms and just to see how disinterested this teacher was How about how Unbelievably boring it was to listen to the stuff that she had to say and there's no engagement no No thought of the fact that these are kids and a lot of these people don't have kids and they don't have kids that age either Which is like or they're not accustomed to be like kids don't want a fucking pay attention You got to make it fun if you don't make it fun.

2:56:10They don't want to do it They don't want to do it, but that's normal and that's healthy You want people to do things and have fun you want ideally your life should be you doing something you enjoy Yeah, we got to figure out what you enjoy Bob and we got to drill it into Sally We're gonna fool you find what what you gravitate towards let's encourage that yeah 100 % man and like there's you know like and I knew like I had a few great teachers like in my life, but like three, you know like they're the They're the minority and then there were tons of awful teachers just tons and here's the question man like what creates an artist Like most people if they had artistic talent in some way shape or form they probably want to do that Because it's a fun thing to do.

2:56:59There's something exciting about creating things Well, where does that come from is that in all of us? But it's just discourage so hard in some people and through this sort of rigid adherence to whatever is in control whatever whatever power structure Whatever authority figure is that Does that squash it in so many people that only a few of tortured childhoods get out and maybe we associate Creativity and we associate brilliant art with with people with tortured childhoods For all the wrong reasons. Jerry here uh that I always loved this quote so much But someone asked uh Jerry Seinfeld or they were like when you were a kid where you like the funny one in your group of friends And he went we were all funny and then everyone else got jobs Wow, you know, it's kind of like that it like there is something to that man like what do you mean?

2:57:53We were all hilarious I just kept being hilarious. Yeah, they all decided to stop at some point I'm like I do I don't think everyone it like could be an artist There are some people who are wired for like different things There are some people who are like Like this dude's a chemist or this dude's like a computer programmer and he was made to be that like he's he Had like a real propensity toward that But I think there's no question a lot of people have that squashed a lot of people like you know I've known people like that who are the most pitiful people. They're the most bitter people There's something tragic about that.

2:58:26Yeah, the guys that wanted to be in a band, but it just didn't work out And then got a job and then had a family well now you got a family you can't leave this job now You know what I mean like it's and yeah, that's there's something so tragic about that man. It's weird You know, it's a it's a sad person to be around someone who just It didn't they didn't chase their dream or they didn't have the encouragement or the they didn't have the confidence they didn't have the circumstances they had bad circumstances that befell them. Yeah Well, if you're if you're like young and you're you're listening to this like keep that in mind I remember I remember Jordan Peterson said once I think it might have been on on with you I can't maybe it wasn't but he said something about like you know There's people who are like in a job that they hate or in a career that they hate and they'll think about like Well, I can't like I can't leave and pursue something else because what about all the risks of doing that Yeah, you're like yeah, what about the risks of not?

2:59:23Yeah, what about the risks of doing something that makes you miserable for the rest of your life? Yeah, because that seems like a risk worth considering you know It was really lucky in having no stability when I was young Which doesn't make sense if you think about it because you want to provide your children with as much stability as possible But I was really lucky that I didn't because I didn't believe in like normal systems like I didn't believe in them I'd never they seemed to alien to me like the idea of getting a job in an office was like so crazy I never even considered it I've never had an office job ever even when I had other jobs I took these weird alternative jobs like I did construction or I drove limos I did stuff to like anybody could do like you didn't need there's no barrier to entry like it was Working in an office to me seemed like madness like to sit in I for sure have ADHD or whatever the fuck Yeah, but it works for regular life like if you have just a life you enjoy.

3:00:21Yeah, it's actually beneficial But this idea of sitting and doing a job all day that I was completely Unemotionally attached to not creatively attached to I couldn't do it But if I had to do some stuff for money that I knew was temporary. I could do that. That's easy Deliver newspapers fine. That's just stuff from doing something kind of physical where you're like doing something It's just a little bit different from money. It's on a job right I'm not gonna move my way up the corporate ladder. It's fucking crazy It was so impossible for me. I was just program so different. No, I'm well aware of it in myself too Where there'll be things sometimes that like something like Even like um like shopping like clothes shopping or something like that if it's like going slow I'm like I've never been so miserable in my entire life.

3:01:11I don't know why this is so excruciatingly painful I have no interest. I don't freaking care Like let's go and so bored so bored But if I'm doing the things that I'm passionate about I could focus on that forever like limitless late, you know That's what marijuana comes in because marijuana and shopping. It's a totally different experience Then you just haven't fun. Yes relaxed and just walk it around You could walk around with the slowest shop or ever and just make fun of everything that happens Well, dude, I mean I started smoking pot like very young in life like 14 maybe and I became like an everyday smoker very quickly and I think there was something to that connection That the things that were so boring and miserable to me in life were like oh Now this is fun like this is not that anymore.

3:01:58It's like oh look. I found the cure for this 100 % that was my entire time of filming fear factor The entire fucking every episode of every season except the first four episodes the first four episodes that did so I was like oh my god. I'm gonna go crazy And then once I started getting high I was like this is awesome I can see where that would change the experience. Oh my god. It was much better experience. It was much better It was like night and day. I was like oh, yeah, it's an amazing job For the record. I don't recommend other 14 year olds No, the time there was a there were problems with it and it wasn't for the best But I was very fortunate that I was during my entire like from high school age to like the time I started doing stand -up I didn't party at all like very very rarely because I was competing So because of that I was always scared to lose and I was always scared that I would lose because I had gotten drunk And then I was hungover and you're not talking about losing a basketball game You're talking about getting kicked in the face and yeah, that counts.

3:03:00Yeah It's not fun. You don't want that to happen to you So I was obsessed with not getting kicked in the face but kicking people in the face And so if like not getting drunk Was like the solution to a lot of those problems And it's also I just knew that there was a lot of kids that I was friends with at the time I was you took the opposite of the Jones approach. Well, John Jones still got downtown He could dominate while party Was that on the tier when he said that? Yeah, to you that he said he would do it Yes, so he had an excuse in his mind. Yeah in case he lost and he's still won He still beat everybody he beat people with like minimal training man.

3:03:35He's so fucking good John's so good and he comes from a family of super athletes like both of his brothers in the NFL I mean, it's just it's just Kissed by God, you know, you're just like there's people like that man There's Roy Jones juniors and Mike Tyson's and they have all the talent in the world and the athletic ability But they're also kissed by God. Yeah, there's just great, but John Jones fought Cyril Godden You're just like I guess you could have just always been fighting heavy weights this whole time man Like it just yeah, you just probably could have always done this and it's just like it's not even like a A competition even about you're like there's not even a next fight that I'm dying to see yeah, because I'm just kind of like I mean, he's just there's no one John's no one is gonna fuck good.

3:04:17He's so good He's the goat. I mean if you got us you're gonna have a goat I don't think you can argue that John's not the goat. I think the argument really is who are the greats Because they're so you can read so subjective if Nermagomadoff was better than John Jones It's so said what do you like? Yeah, yeah, I see like your total dominance because in total dominance Nermagomadoff is the goat Total dominance man. Just smashes everybody. Nobody had a chance. Do you understand how crazy it is to watch a guy storm through an entire division with Masters like just engage a master of destruction. Yeah, no one has a chance Connemy Gregor master of destruction no one has a chance.

3:05:01This one the fucker He gets everybody. There's an argument that he's the goat There's an argument that mighty mouse is the greatest expression of martial arts in the history of combat sports I would make that argument and in his prime He's the greatest expression Slam and guys into arm bars and that crazy shit Yeah, and he's a ghost He's standing right in front of the way he's tagging him and he's a ghost. His foot was his last fight where he won the Bellback that knockout was insane. He was a repeal of what the guy did Yeah, yeah, the way he timed it as he's following them to the cage Just like insane shit that that guy does and he's in his like what is he 36?

3:05:38How old is mighty mouse Let's find out how old mighty mouse is because for the 125 out pound division to be competing at a very high level in a natural athlete in his 30s He's 36. Yes recall There you go. They say marijuana kills you recall that's bullshit If he was a little it's a little cloudy. How do you know how do you know mighty mouse was 36 then this that guy when he was in his prime Like when he beats a hudo the first time when he stopped him in the first round He was the old expression. They meet him to the body right? That's right. I was real close. This is a hudo second fight was very close.

3:06:14You know, I Went behind mighty mouse once when he's behind backstage at UFC and I just grabbed him to hug him Just play just to play he's my friend I go to hug him and he turns and just a fuck with me hits me in the body touches me the most gentle touch with two knees So fast that I couldn't believe they actually move that quickly It's just he just did that to me. I was like oh my goodness Yeah, he was he's an unreal talent On really no he's got a new deal with those knees of the body I remember watching that going. I don't think I've ever seen anybody land a knee to the body more precisely It's a shame that he magic that's a hudo It's a shame that he left the UFC when he did and didn't get like Like the third fight with sahudo a rubber match there.

3:07:02I think would have been so huge You know what I mean like I feel like he never got the fight that had like that type of height behind him I believe you're correct. It was just like kind of like hardcore fans No like they were like you know this guy's like unbelievable But I think he just didn't quite have the moment There was also talk of him moving up and fighting TJ Dillish on I think there was like a contractual dispute or something like that didn't happen But it's a shame that he didn't get one of those like Huge moments because even when he beats a hudo the first time He wasn't like that big of a name yet, right?

3:07:31Like people didn't know like who that was whereas like the by the third fight It would have been like a huge thing, you know Um, and then uh GSP also is in the conversation. He's got to have an argument. Yeah. He's in the conversation for sure The dominance of the welterweight division And the fact that he beat everyone he ever faced And came back and won the middleweight title after a leave that's hard to not Uh, that's hard to not consider him there. Yeah, it's hard Yeah, I mean, especially how brilliantly he handled it. He just like beat biss being it said I'm done I do think the belt all of this is kind of subjective like you said.

3:08:06It's like what do you like But I would say that for me John Jones has the strongest argument because he dominated multiple generations Of fighters. Mm -hmm. Like he dominated the shogun rampage Machita Generation of fighters then he dominated um, what was it? The gust of send for the first fight's the most impressive because he didn't train for it Yeah, that's as the most impressive thing is that John Jones pulls out the first fight in the later rounds He wins a decision by dominating the later rounds in a fight that he didn't train and we had never seen him in a dog fight before at that point Do you were like sometimes there are these guys?

3:08:48I remember thinking the same thing with uh Israel Adesonio when he fought kelvin uh gaslam Whereas all we had seen from him was just like dominating everybody. Yeah, and so there's something There's kind of a question mark a little bit with that where you don't know You know did some people like when the going gets tough kind of like look for a way out And I remember if you remember in that fight in the fourth round kelvin fucked him up in that fourth round He really hurt him and he was busing up and you remember before the fifth round starts Is what he looks at him and he's like unprepared to die for this he said and then he went out and Dominated the fifth round and you were like oh Okay, this dude's special.

3:09:25He's not just like a talent that can dominate people But he's also like a real fighter He's so special that he chose to fight peheda For the fourth time after getting knocked out and he was getting fucked up in that fight too He was getting fucked up his leg was getting fucked up his leg was getting chewed up and and he was cornered And he was talking about after the fight. He's not again He's getting me again because he was getting him again with the same goddamn thing that guy is so clever Here goes he says I'm prepared to die I have no problem. I'm prepared to die and look how fucked up yet like he was Really beat up man.

3:10:01I'm prepared to he said I'm prepared to die and prepare to yeah Did I do it like shit? I did like at the end of it though Not knock it off just singing his praises. He's the greatest but at the end of the the fight he's like that's it You go's we're not fighting again. He goes. I don't I don't keep score I end score or whatever you're like I get where you're coming from on that one You're like you just really move up you just move up and go find it right? It's just pretty it's pretty funny to be three and one and go I think we've all seen enough of this like I don't think he's three and one I think he won the first fight.

3:10:31Oh, yeah, that's right. It wasn't bad. It was a bad decision I believe you say this and he got saved in the second kickboxing fight Sonja had him on skates right he was in real trouble and he was getting a standing -a -count Which is huge if especially you look at the first round of the first MMA fight and he dropped yeah Yeah, yeah, drop some in the end of the first right now imagine if he dropped him you rocked him I don't know if you like rocked him. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if he just hand touched the ground I think you just rocked him. You're right He rocks him in a very similar manner to when he finishes him off in the second fight Imagine of that it taking place and the referee had stood in and gave him a standing -a -count Pejada is a monster.

3:11:08He recovers quickly Like he can get cracked and some there's some speculation that some of that has to do with the fact that he's cutting so much weight Michael Bissbing I believe I believe it was there was a few other fighters Oh, I think it was sugar shawntel Malley was we're talking about this insane weight cut that this guy makes to get down 185 pounds and the fact that could affect his ability to absorb punishment very possibly But imagine a scenario where he gets rocked like that But then you give him eight whole seconds to recover and you're it's the the referees doing it like one two Three like they don't want him to lose right and so they give him this little ability to recover and he survives and then he wants up Winning and knocking out pay it or knocking out a dishoni in this spectacular fashion hits him with his monster left hook But that's the thing about that guy that's what's so terrifying about fighting him And that's why is he so special that he's like I can figure this motherfucker out Well, I you also got a look at it like you know There's almost like there's like a winner verse loser mentality to that and I remember thinking of this going into that last fight We're like look you could look at it and say I I was fighting my best fight and he still got me you know what I mean for you could look at that and go I had this guy yeah, I was winning that fight until the fifth round You know what I mean the thing is there's zero margin for error when you fight that dude zero like you can't fuck up once If you almost you got to crack him because like him saying that he he was gonna get him early I think he kind of knew that you The punishment he puts on your legs It's so it's so sneaky how he does it man, but he throws the best calf kicks in the fucking business man Yeah, he really does he's gonna be a force.

3:12:55He'll be a force at 205 I mean he's a real dangerous guy. I think he's gonna have a problem with really leak grapplers. I think yeah There's some big there's some big grapplers that that's a little bit of an issue But it'll be kind of interesting it'll be very interesting But he's training with Glover and Glover's one of the best grapplers that ever fought in the 205 pound division Yep, so he's gonna get amazing in strut But when you saw the first out of Sonya fight when Izzy took his back when Izzy it was on top of him You could imagine Someone who's an elite grappler in that division like having their way with him in those situations Well when Israel out of Sonya moved up to 205 Right and fought Yombohovich like that was the issue that he had with him like he was like okay I know what I can do to this guy, but he's bigger and stronger than than Izzy Behovich's huge no no I'm saying but heira is bigger and stronger than Izzy so that it's a question How good fight at 205 would be fucking insane that's a real Yombohovich versus Alex Paheda at 205 would be fucking bananas Dude that fight him against hell would be a great fit like any of the matchups there would be really good Any mistakes against Behovich and Behovich can take it yeah guy can take it Holy shit is he an animal yeah no he's He's got Uncle live like Jesus Christ man and what's his name and the champ is a Well not the champ anymore um, but uh he's out for a few years.

3:14:20I think tomorrow Hill no no no no no Jamal Hill is the champ now. What's his name? Who was was the champ but didn't lose it? uh Shit when I was fucking the guy Ah what's his name he literally just got a big shoulder injury Oh your prohosh oh my god. I'm blanking. Yeah, he uh I not fucking Catch that um that's how good this fucking brick flare weed is That's hilarious see there my memory sucks. Yeah, well you're one for two so far prohosh Yeah, do you know what happened with him? I know he fucked his shoulder up in a real awful way right dude He fucked his shoulder up so bad the UFC surgeon said it was the worst shoulder injury he's ever seen This is what happened his shoulder came out of place during training and they yanked on it to put it back in and fucked it up Jesus yeah, that sucks that's always champion of the world's champion of the world what coming off the most insane fight With Glover to share I mean that was a fucking insane one of the best fights ever the fact that he submitted Glover to win He's so unusual you watch his movements.

3:15:26Yeah, it's crazy so different. It's so hard to prepare for this guy Here he's training again, so he'll do this like he's just fucking around. He's like loosening up, I think Is that what he's trying to do? Oh, but his movement when he fights is so unusual. So this is why they did this is why they like strip the title right away Because this is gonna be relinquished the title because he was like this is going to be real deal man He's incredible. He relinquished the title. He decided that that injury was too spectacular that he needed real time to recover um But what what's interesting about this is like shoulder injuries are notorious for being They repeat it's very hard like a shoulders a complicated joint you got to really rehabilitate that thing perfectly Before you come back so many guys have come back from knee injuries and shoulder injuries too soon Ed short fuse Herman who just retired he got his ACL reconstructed and in training like getting back into it Blue it out again because it wasn't really recovered yet.

3:16:33You got to give yourself the right amount of time Yeah, elite athlete and so he was talking about getting back in there. I think in July And I think that's all scrapped But I think he was talking about getting back in there very quickly He says he knows his body like man. That's a complicated joint Like these guys that are surgeons today are the greatest that have ever lived They can do amazing things with people shows But even TJ Lossha he's had a shitload of surgeries and his shoulders are fucked That was awful seeing that in the horrible in that fight with Al Jermain Horrible but TJ's shoulders have been fucked for a long time He just compensated for it to the point where it all eventually just fell apart Well, he looked real good in this fight before that I mean, I don't know.

3:17:15I guess he said he had a lot of problems with it in uh in that training camp Well, in that fight he looked really good before it and Cory Sanhagen destroyed his knee Destroyed his knee and that exchange. Yeah, his knee was fucked up man And so from that he goes and wins that fight he wins that decision And now he's got to fucked up shoulders. His shoulders are so bad and he got surgery on him But they basically said like you're not gonna be able to fight again Like they they just won't hold up like it's been too much damage And that's what I'm worried about when I hear people having a catastrophic shoulder injury and then saying I'm gonna get back in there as quickly as possible like You know be careful shoulder injuries They're just like they're a tough one knee back I mean when people recover from like Al Jermain sterling recovers from a neck Surgery where they replace one of his discs and an artificial disc and goes on to retain the title.

3:18:11Yeah, like holy shit man Like you got an artificial disc in your neck and your fighting like the stuff They can do today is yeah, it's incredible shoulders do seem like the trickiest one though And they seem like the ones that like you know, it's weird like when you see people I remember this one like basketball like in in like high school and shit Where's there'd be someone who like their shoulder popped out like they dislocated their shoulder And then that just happens to them then that's just a thing that like regularly like not like all the time But you always like know it could happen again and like there's really like a I don't know that's not something I want to recommend for shoulder health of people are interested in this There's a product that I have no affiliation with other than I bought it It's called crossover symmetry and it's these bands and they come in various weights And you you put them on a poster you can hang them on the wall or whatever and you do a series of exercises Whether it's pulling them upwards or pulling them across pulling that pulling them this way in that way And it's all shoulder strengthening and it really can help people and it really can prevent injuries too If you do it on a regular basis if you stick to it You got to think of your shoulders is like something that you are protecting You're not just like building it up.

3:19:20You should protect the joint Like that's what knees over toes guy is really interested in like his right his whole thing that is about like strengthening all the muscles around your knee And strengthening the muscles around your shoulders so important too and So often when people are training in a thing Whether it's jujitsu or moitire anything like you're only training doing that thing and that thing can strengthen you And it certainly will But it would benefit you to doing things to prevent injuries and strengthening joints and strengthening the tissue around Vulnerable areas in your body whether it's your neck or your shoulders or your knees.

3:19:55It's very good. It's very important Everybody should do it if you can. Well, I know who's happy right now is the people who run that company with those shoulder Oh those bands there's a bunch of different I mean you can't think someone's listening live and like yes That's my thing. Well the knees over toes guy has a great system that he does too with just um He uses dumbbells and Different external and internal what rotation exercises and those are all very good There's a bunch of different things you can do with with just dumbbells There's a bunch of different exercises you can do that all are just low weight things that strengthen your shoulders Another one that's great is club bells And if you ever use them before But they're like it looks like a like a small bat that's made out of iron and you do all these actually The iron shake used to do with those big wooden ones you ever see those things no Do things like shield casting where it's all you have this This thing in your hand that's like a bat with and it's the weight is weird So you don't even need much weight like 15 pounds you can get a really good workout And you're holding these things out and you're doing all sorts of different exercises with these with these things You're swinging them you're swinging them overhead like look at that's the iron chic doing it Oh, yeah Those things are tremendous for shoulder strength wasn't enough to be low -cogon That guy was a beast dude in real life He was a lead athlete a lead resty really oh, yeah, I didn't know that yeah a lead wrestler for your rot like legit Oh, okay, that's where you wrestled right?

3:21:25It wasn't fake right because he you never know with those people like with the He came from Iran, right? I mean didn't lie about that did he back then you could just lie though There was no internet dude my favorite wrestling story ever the my favorite storyline wrestle for we should give him his props because the iron chic was the fucking man I'm 99 % sure he wrestled for Iran, but he was like in a lead wrestler Well when so what yeah, yeah, when did he wrestle for around probably 68 okay, so that's before the revolution. That's when we we liked the government look at them fucking animal By the way the CIA over through the Iranian government in 1953 and installed the show You my fucker.

3:22:08Just saying I'm just saying that was that wasn't a good thing on that note Dude, we're like almost four hours in okay. I just say the one thing that I wanted to say for you That my favorite wrestling storyline ever was During the first Iraq war that we were just talking about is sergeant slaughter defected and became a pro -racking Like that was his thing that he was the American so because that was a big problem I really was a rack is right I'd do it it was so easy in 1991 it was so easy we play it we play it I He American American sergeant defected to a race this is amazing. What is he unrapping?

3:23:20What is this boot an Iraqi military boot You people are so angry What a ballsy boos All right, it's over podcast so that's amazing. All right. Bye everybody