#1992 - Oliver Stone

30:10Right, but I don't think you're going to see that from a politician. I don't think a politician is going to stick their neck out. I think it's going to have to be so prevalent in the public narrative. It's going to be so prevalent in the zeitgeist that they think politically it's okay to be a proponent of it. Well, I think the younger generation is changing the numbers of the demographics, I think 60 percent are reading our pro -nuclear now. That's great. In the US. It's probably TikTok. Well, it might be. It might be. But it's a new generation. They're more scared about climate change than they are about war.

30:48A lot of the older generation, they confuse who can fuse nuclear energy with nuclear bomb or dying off. And I think there is going to be a change. It has to be. There's no other way. There has to be. It's just on top of it. It's a miracle. It's incredible. If it's handled correctly, built correctly, like I'm in Rick Overdead with the Navy, that's the Navy was one of the biggest developers of nuclear in America. Yeah. From the 1950s, they met nuclear submarines and they kept going. They just don't talk about the power in nuclear submarines. How long it lasts, too. This episode is brought to you by Policy Genius.

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32:52That's policygenius .com slash JRE. One small reactor can run a summary for how many? 50, 60 years before. That's insane. And also if you put two of them into a aircraft carrier, you've seen this eyes of those. That's just a giant 6 ,000 people on that thing. That can go for also those two reactors can make that's what they're doing. Actually JRE actors can make an aircraft carrier go for, I don't know how many years, 50 years, 40 years. That's insane. It's incredible. I mean, really there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. The fact that that is not something that people marvel at. No. You have a ship at sea that's powered entirely by nuclear power and it can go for 50 years.

33:46Whatever it is. We try to show that in the film. I mean, it's just a miracle. It's insane. It's so much different than anything else. And if you just do it right, like they do with the submarines or like they do with you need discipline and you need to redo it and do it and do it. So you standardize it. The United States never standardized it. Japan did, Korea did. They built one type of reactor and they built it consistently. Just recently, Korea built four heavy water reactors, big ones in UAR. United Arab Republic. Four of them. 1 .4 gigawatts each. A gigawatts of billion watts. So it's 5 .6 gigawatts.

34:29That's a huge amount for the United Arab Republic. They'll cover a huge area. That's incredible. That's the kind of building you need to do. But you have to do it consistently. Didn't the phrase go ahead and please. And by the way, you can ship it too. If you assembly line it, like in Korean shipyards or something, you can build it in a way that with SMRs and parts, you can put the parts in and ship them like a Lego set up and down the coastline of China or the coastline of America and any country. That Russians did that in Pevac, which is an Arctic outpost. They built, they sent to barge. The green piece of course predicted it would be a nuclear Titanic.

35:12And it wasn't, it arrived in Pevac and it set up and it's working beautifully to this day. SMRs are shipable and they can be built in shipyards. They can be assembled by the thousands. There's no reason not to. Now, what about if one of those things sinks? Yeah, a little water absorbs it. It absorbs radiation. Well, so like what happens when there have been nuclear submarines in a song, right? Well, if they did, there's been no damage. I know. Isn't the phrase can either confirm nor deny? Doesn't that come from, I think that comes from an operation. Believe I heard this on Radio Lab, I think that phrase comes from an operation where they were trying to recover a Russian downed submarine.

36:05Right. I remember that. And they had to answer the question. And so when they were questioned, their answer was we can neither confirm nor deny. Right. Because they were put in a position where they were supposed to interact. So how do we say this? We can't lie. We can't say no, we're not going to tell you because we have to answer. So the answer they came up with is we can neither confirm nor deny. Which is a beautiful, it's very eloquent. If you really think about it, if you want to be a bullshit artist, like that's an amazingly eloquent statement. That was the one that Howard Hughes was involved in global.

36:38Global. Is that what it was? Yeah, Howard Hughes. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. Never heard more about it. You know, whatever happened happened. It was, you know, the world's like a, the world's known. That's the thing about nuclear people say, well, when something goes wrong, it really goes wrong. But that's the, that's an exaggeration. But in comparison to the things that we absolutely know go wrong with just transportation, just driving. Like deaths are inevitable when you have hundreds of millions of people. Obviously you want to mitigate them as much as possible. You want to mitigate dangers as much as possible.

37:11But we're, we're just victim of like bad narrative. Industrial accidents, you know, many people die here. Two million. It's incredible. So 50 people died, it's turnable. And here we are running away from nuclear. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. But that's humans. We're so weird like that. Germany is the craziest of all. I mean, they're smart people. I thought they were mathematical geniuses. And well, explain what you're talking about. Because a lot of people probably don't even know that they shut them. Well, they originally built 20 some reactors in the 70s. And they, they were doing very fine with it.

37:44And they had no problems. And now they've shut them all down because the green party, which is a political party, green party, which is also pro -war, pro -Nado. You know, it's strange green party. It's a hybrid. Anyway, they came into power and they're, it's a democracy. And they don't want any nuclear. So they destroyed. They shut down on their plants that were working. And we show that in the film. It's original. And what did they go with? They replaced it with coal and gas. And as a result, and a lot of solar and a lot of turbines. They, in fact, if you think, look at the solar park that they built, they built a gigantic solar park in Germany.

38:30495 ,000 panels. 495 ,000, can you imagine that? 500 acres. 495 ,000 panels. That's enormous. And that park, if you took, they took down a nuclear reactor in the area. That one was about 100 acres. But it was producing about 100 times more electricity than the, than this 500 acres on one fifth of the land. Not only that, at what point in time does that become pollution? Like, if you were talking about pollution fact, I mean, just whatever the panels are, like whatever that area is, like, what have you done to that area? I know we don't think about, we just think about it as land. But that's part of Earth.

39:12So you've covered part of Earth with this, with these fucking panels. It's, it's looks gross. The turbines look gross too. I went down to, I was going down to South Texas. And I drove past this turbine farm. And I'm like, how is that not bothering people? That's it's like, eye pollution. You're looking at these things that are, these giant machines that are spinning instead of just the landscape. It looks like we're tricking ourselves. And to thinking that this is like 100 percent clean. It's not clean if all you're looking at is turbines. If you're driving on the highway, and you see hundreds of turbines with lights on them, so planes don't fly into them, that's not clean.

40:00Like that's a part of the problem. Like that's polluting the environment. Well, it looks like shit. Yeah, I understand. Each country's difference depends what they want to do with their land. I mean, Denmark has had some success with it. Germany's had greater success with, than they have with solar. That's for sure. But they're not dealing with it because we're still putting out, we're putting out shit in the air. It's also, yeah, I mean, it's certainly better than burning coal. It's certainly better than many alternatives, but it's still, it's not perfect. Well, we should talk about methane because that is not better.

40:32It's more damaging in the short term. Methane is. Methane is horrible, and it leaks all along the line, as we say in the film. That's gas. Natural gas. Natural gas. And we talk about it like it's some kind of savior. It's a perfect partner for renewables. That's what they sell themselves as, and they advertise it. When they show the footage of how much gas gets released from those pipes, it's crazy. I showed it in the film. We showed the infrared camera. And how much gas is leaked. This is, you turn your gas stove on, and that's a leak right there. And that goes a long way towards destroying the atmosphere.

41:10A lot of people are upset that they're trying to ban gas stoves and future buildings in New York City. That's a big thing. But I was like, OK, are people overreacting? Who's overreacting? And then you think about it. It's just for the convenience of cooking. That you enjoy cooking more with that. Is it a price thing? Because nuclear would solve the issue of the availability of power. But I think people just like to cook with gas. Which is really weird. If it's really bad for you and really bad for the city and for the environment, that just the fact that you don't like cooking with electric. Well, I can't comment on that.

41:51I just know that methane has a short -term, huge effect on the atmosphere, long -term, less. But they did recently ban at New York City, correct? I don't know. And they jammed me. I think they banned it for new home construction. Yeah, I think that's right. And everybody went crazy. And I was like, wait a minute, I don't know about this. Maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. You know? First statewide ban on use of natural gas and new buildings. Yeah, because if that stuff really does lower IQs, isn't that one of the things that they've discussed? Like, see if they could find that. Yeah, see if you could find, because I remember there was something about it having an effect on cognitive function.

42:38Which we found out, we just talked about this the other day, but we found out from let it gas that there's a giant dip in IQ points, not a giant one, but a measurable dip in IQ points amongst people that grew up in my generation with let it gas everywhere. Yeah, well, I wonder about my own brain. I guess, you know, we've been around long enough. Well, we're getting old, however. And that's part of the problem. Sometimes you think it's a gas. Sometimes you think it's a childhood asthma. Childhood asthma. That's it. Didn't say anything about cognitive function. And I even typed in IQ here and it didn't.

43:15Interesting. I didn't bring up any of that. Maybe I'm going to go for like so much heat comes off nuclear that it really is not being used. Right. As the scientist says in the film, it could heat New York City. Yeah, so if it's caught even if it's causing kids asthma, like it's not good for anybody then. Like that's really what's going on with the gas. But the amount of time that it would take to get the United States, like what would that take to get rid of all of the things that are polluting the environment, all of the things that are putting out particular coal and all that stuff. But we replace it with nuclear.

43:46We give it that we showed that graph from here to 2050 thinking backwards and trying you have to get this thing going. You have to get the nuclear part going. And it's going to go slower at the beginning because they take longer to build. But once they're up, maintenance is very, very easy to do on these things. Yeah. In 2030 to 2040, if you're built, this stuff is going to start to pay off. From 2040 to 2050, it's going to be a huge run, a huge race. And we can do it. We may not get all the way to zero, but it's certainly doable. If Rick over were in charge of a program, he would push it through.

44:24And but it's not just us. I mean, honestly, the Chinese are doing their part. They're trying. They're really trying because they see the problem. And you know, for a president to say that, Z, when he said he's going to go down to zero by 2060, that's 10 years later, that's pretty good. That's amazing if they can stick to it. Russia, too, plays a huge role. So does India, but... Well, they obviously have much more control over how things run. They don't really rely on the public's opinion. Well, exactly. Exactly. Which is that's okay because we're talking about the Earth here. But let's talk about France.

45:00France has been nuclear since 1975. They built 56 reactors in 15 years. That's pretty fast. And they were all working. They some of them are getting very old now. And they have to be either renewed or replaced. But they still have those nuclear. A lot of their electricity in France, 70 % is nuclear. They have some hydro power. And I think some gas, but not much. Well, I genuinely think that it takes someone like you making a documentary about this to get the word out there to the point where people really start demanding this. I really do. Because I think you're countering all those movies that you discuss, all the fictional movies.

45:48You're countering all those. You're countering all the stuff that we had grown up, Godzilla and Spider -Man and all that. That's what it is. It's like we associate radiation with negativity and nuclear power with radiation. We show images in Brazilian, going to the Black Sand beaches to absorb the radiation. It's good for the body. We show, you know, in cancer therapies, it's used, radiation, heavy radiation is used to kill off tumors in the body. We show in Iran, Ramsar Iran, which has got huge radioactive activity. It's very high and it's tremendously. They're doing very well in Iran with Ramsar and Noan Stein.

46:38So in other words, we can live with radiation, which we know because DNA, as Crick and Watson found, it reduplicates, it has a double. So the body repairs itself as it's damaged. And that was a big argument in the Old Science because the Rockefeller Foundation, of course, put out the scare and their oil people. They put out the scare to the public in 1957, where they said, you know, any amount of radiation to the body is dangerous. And that really worked and put in New York Times, publisher put it in the front page and a column. It gets out, you know, that fear. So that's where, meanwhile, the counter comes later, but you don't hear about it.

47:23And the counter claim is we repair our body as we get, as we move through life. That's what DNA does. It's a wonderful system we have of DNA. Well, we just have scary stories about radiation. And, you know, rightly so, in some cases, it's like the radium girls, do you know about this? I don't know. They used to use radioactive paint for indices on watches and things along those lines, you know, loom. Do you know loom, you know what that is? Like on watch face, there's these little dots, right? Well, these little dots collect light when it's light out and then when it's dark, they glow. Well, people used to apply those things with paint.

48:11They didn't realize the consequences of the radioactivity. So these girls would sometimes like lick the tip of their brush to wet it, to shape it, and they develop horrible cancers. And it's a very famous story, but these poor women, like they develop these holes and their faces, it's really scary stuff. But it's from very specific type of radiation. And it's also from direct contact through this paint with no protection at all. Well, I can't comment on what I don't know, but certainly not understand. So there are some consequences that are negative that are associated with radiation rightly. Yes, this is wonderful.

48:54High levels of radiation will hurt and kill. Yeah, exposure to radiation. I mean, there's a reason why they make you put a lead thing over your junk when you go into an X -ray machine. That's correct. And I went to a lot of that when I was visiting the plants in France, Russia, and here at Idaho, the National Laboratory, we talked to a lot of scientists and people who handle it, those people who know, know, they don't freak out. Was this subject that when you started to make a documentary about this, was it simply just because you had the information and you felt compelled that this is just not a store that's being told correctly?

49:34Oh, I read a book. I read a review of book review in the New York Times of All Things in about John Schuigolstein's book with Stephen Kovist, the Swedish nuclear scientist, and it was called Bright Future. That bought the book, read it. It's very practical and simple, and it goes into the truth, which is, this has been a lot of lies. And that bought the book and made the movie with him. He gave me a lot of, I had to learn a lot, I had to travel. It was difficult. It was not an easy film to make. I wanted to make it understandable to a ninth grade level, you know, trying to make it simple. I think it works at that level.

50:16Yeah, it absolutely does. Yeah, definitely. It's just very important to do, and I'm really glad you did it. Because I've talked to so many intelligent people that share your perspective on this, but it's just not being discussed publicly enough, well, that it might have been our solution the whole time. It was. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I shouldn't have said, might've. Eisenhower was on the right path. Yeah. And John Kennedy supported it completely. Yeah. And remember, we used, we quote him in the film. It got, it got derailed, obviously, in the 70s, with Ralph Nader, was very influential. And he's done great work in that, Nader.

50:57But of course, on car safety, but, you know, he was wrong about exaggerated this to a degree that was not necessary. Do you think people exaggerated it because they have their own heightened anxiety about it? So it's not like they did it on purpose. They did it because they were genuinely misinformed. That's correct. Yeah. I do believe that. Nader is the good man. Yeah, I believe so. And he still believes in it, that he's right. But it's a question of degree, you know, like, he said, all Cleveland's going to blow up from one nuclear reactor. That's not true. If it blew up, it's not going to blow up Cleveland.

51:36Right. And it's not a bomb. And unfortunately, that was a original confusion. It's never been there. But there wasn't also no one to counter him. Like who would counter him back then? Scientist. William Buckley, scientist did. But some of publicly. That one I can't answer you because I don't remember. Well, frankly, do you remember the guy who started Greenpeace? More, Dr. Moore, he was with the co -founder of Greenpeace. He came out and said, you know, we were right about a lot of things at Greenpeace, the way I was saving the way. We were right about toxic waste. We were right about nuclear bombs, but we were wrong about nuclear energy.

52:15We got it wrong. He says that in the film. It's a wonderful statement. But again, people, I guess when you get, you hear the negative first, you don't go, you don't listen to the positive. Yeah, that's the problem. We're slaves to our initial impressions. Well, that's the point of maturity. Yes. That's where you have to get smarter. Yes. It's just very difficult for people to do. It's a lesson that doesn't get taught enough that you are not your ideas. And once you start talking about a subject, particularly something that is a world changing subject, like nuclear power or renewable energy, you have to be, it's not you.

52:58But these arguments are not you. You have to look at just the data. You have to look at the data. And just because you had an initial idea about something, don't look at it correctly. Because people associate themselves with ideas. And if they've espoused an idea, they somehow or another think they have to defend it to the end. And it's a terrible trap to get into. And I've seen brilliant people get into that trap. It's a terrible trap. You're not your ideas. They're just ideas. Well said. And you're certainly not something that is a very nuanced and complicated issue, like nuclear power. You could be a person who was anti -nuclear power a few decades ago or even a few months ago.

53:41And get new information, go, oh, okay, this is what I thought. And this is where I was wrong. And that's better for everybody. And if people learned how to do that, we could move past a lot of silly shit in this country. Yeah, I wish Jane Fonda would come out the other way. What is she on now? I admire her for her if you had Namstan. Oh, yeah. She could mean a lot if she understood this and came out against. But so there's a lot of the people know this. That Taipei, Russell Brown, Brand, they understand, they've done reading. They're smart people. We got to get it out. And it's going to happen.

54:21I do. There's smart people in their courageous enough to just start talking about it. As I say in the film, with Josh, I said, nuclear has been around. It's been discredited constantly, but it won't die. It's like something that just sticks around. Yeah. Because it's good. It's the truth. And that I think is going to be inevitable. Because there's no other alternative. I mean, we can talk about carbon cap show. We can talk about all the things that they're doing. Fusion is a great solution. I love Fusion. I was just up at MIT with Dr. Dennis Swhite. He's the head of the program there. He's Fusion Plasma.

54:56It's beautiful, amazing amount of work. And maybe it'll work in the second part of the century. But right now, we have from 2020 to 2050, we've got to deal with his hump. And Fusion is not there yet. It hasn't delivered. The fishin has. There's also some research that's being done on utilizing the spent fuel cells and utilizing the waste. You convert it into batteries. Correct? Isn't that it? I didn't know about batteries. I know in Russia. In Russia, they had the breeder reactor that I saw. At BellyArsk, which I went out to the middle of Russia. I forgot exactly where it is. And so beautifully, it was designed.

55:38It's a 600, it was designed many years ago. And it does breed more than it eats up its own fuel. And it reuses the fuel over and over again. That's why they call it a breeder reactor, because it breeds more. Yeah. And they're using it. It's expensive. That's the problem. Can they standardize it? That's the other problem. You have to make it cheap, too. But the Russians have done it. And now they're building an 800, which is a bigger one. So I'm hoping for that. But on the US side, we have all these smaller, we have GE working with Hitachi, which is a Japanese company. They're building an SMR, a small modular reactor, with some capacity.

56:22It could make a radioactive, our radioactive diamond bat. Whoops. Hold on a second. Could pop up bad guys. We had on batteries. Unveils battery made from nuclear waste that could last up to 28 ,000 years. The nano -diamond batteries power comes from radioactivisotopes used in nuclear reactors. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. So as technology advances, and obviously technology would, you know, whatever they're able to do now, or even have they actually done this, or is this just theoretical? The circle is 2028. An unveiled battery that uses nuclear waste. I don't know. This is their saying that they actually have a functional product.

57:15Whoa. That's how it's trying to... The water supply had that... We got the pop -up was a nuclear water supply. Oh, I thought... Right. I thought it was theoretical. I didn't know they were already making batteries out of it. But if they can do that, I mean, bingo. Now we have a problem with electric cars, right? That was the problem. Electrocarves the batteries. That's the giant issue is you're getting lithium out of the ground. And most of it is sourced through unethical ways. You're getting cobalt. Most of that's sourced through unethical ways. But if they can make batteries out of fucking diamonds, and how crazy is that?

57:47We're all running around on cars. You know, you still have the problem. It has to be a country -sized dimension, scalability. You can make an iPhone. You can make a car. We're on an individual basis here and there. But how do you make it so it works on a continent -sized? You know, we're talking about... Look at the world map. Well, I think we have to look in terms of a long period of time. If you go back to just the invention of electricity to the time where everybody's carrying around a battery -powered cell phone in your pocket, you're not talking about that long. No, we're talking about a couple of hundred years.

58:23We're looking at it like, oh my god, we've got to get it done tomorrow. I don't think you do get this thing done tomorrow. I think a big step is what you're describing in your documentary. That's a big step. A big step is like understanding that nuclear power is a fantastic way forward. And if they really can make batteries out of nuclear waste, well, now we have a... Instead of a problem, now we've got a commodity. Now you've got something they can utilize. Although I remember what Bill Gates says. Oh, hold on a second. Yeah, as I googled it again, it said like, there are twenty -seventy in there saying this is still a hoax.

58:57But they always say that. We have to keep up to miss our nuclear diamond batteries too good to be true. You're probably wondering what the catch is. There's a diamond battery out there that releases nuclear waste. Last thousands of years, it involves layers of only the most miniscule diamonds. It's slightly more complicated than that. Each battery cell will produce only a small amount of energy for one thing. So scientists must combine the cells in huge numbers in order to regularly power large devices, raising the cost a great deal, along with increasing the complexity. So I guess the battery would have to be big.

59:32Touts the tiny share of the nano -battery diamond cells as an advantage for scalability, though. Take the battery for a wristwatch, for instance. It consumes around two microwatts. Much smaller, NDB cell would be sufficient. Okay, so that's smaller than the battery that's on your watch? That's pretty small. So if we need power, a different application, the number of stack cells can be increased to meet the demand. That sounds like every battery. Listen, Bill Gates in the film says, you know, he's put a billion dollars into the battery business. He's really done a lot of exploration and as well, he's doing great work on nuclear.

1:00:07But he says there's no battery that's going to take a miracle. It's just not going to happen. He says we're going to need nuclear. Even he said that and he's not proud of that. I don't know why he's running away from it. I think we should be very proud of using nuclear because it wasn't tremendous discovery by Malik Kurei. I think a lot of people are skittish about the conversation. Yes. I've noticed that. Why does an allegor is come in the film and the convenient truth? Men even mention nuclear energy. Yeah, one good point. You know, it's nuts. It's nuts. Can we take a break? Yep. I could tell.

1:00:43You're ready to go. You got to pee. Yeah, I just, I just, I just, I just, I don't know where I'm going to go. So Tritium is the stuff that they make. That also lights up the watch hands. They put that stuff inside watches. Yeah, it lasts for like 25 years. Yeah, I have one of those. I have a marathon watch. And it's like, even if it's like pitch blackout, all of the, our indicators are all lit up permanently. It's really cool. Yeah. And that's radioactive too. And it's totally safe. That's what it looks like. That's what, that's what the Fukushima. That's what Tritium looks like. Have you ever seen it on a watch hand?

1:01:21It's really beautiful. Like, look, click on that image again, Jamie. That's what it looks like. So it lights up permanently. Like, you have little, you have radiation on your wrist. Well, that's been the big issue in the Fukushima cleanup because they said that water is filled with Tritium. And Josh, who I, my co -author was saying, you know, I could drink a gallon of Tritium. And it would be about the equivalent to one banana. So it's a lot of bullshit. Really? Yeah. You could drink a gallon of Tritium. And it's about what, what negative aspect of a banana? It says the electrons in it. Oh, wow.

1:01:58It just don't penetrate. They don't, you know, it's a sign. I'm not a scientist. No, I understand. But you're not either. So I buy it. But I love the fact that my watch has these little, uh, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, everyone's screaming, you know, you can't dump it in the Pacific. That's what the environmentalists say. They're wrong. You got the, the water is, is safe because my way, the sea absorbs a lot of radiation. Hmm. Yeah, there's a company called Ball and all of their watches use Tritium. So they've been doing it forever. Like they've been making these watches for a long time.

1:02:33And they're famous for the fact that all their indicators are little radioactive things. I'm terrible for the watch market. I never had a watch. I've for years. You never had a watch? No, I don't like to keep track of the time. I'm very, uh, I, I know the time in my head. Yes. I kind of have a sense of it. Good for you. Yeah, you don't want to beat us, slave to this thing. Exactly. Yeah, I don't want something on my wrist telling me what to do. Do you still rock a smartphone, though? Oh, I use this smartphone as little as possible because it's essential now. They made it essential. That's basically a clock, anyway.

1:03:08You're getting your time for your watch. Yeah, it's a clock. I can send an alarm to it, but I wake up on my basically earlier. So what the phone is, I just, the only thing I don't like about the phone is I'm always worried about losing it. Yeah, I lose a lot of time looking for phone. You know, why don't they make a double of this? A DNA copy. Yeah, you can't have two because then someone else would copy your phone. Is that right? Yeah, and they would start using your phone. It's about copying. Yeah, it's about getting access to your, you know, whatever you have credit cards that are on it and all the data that they can sell.

1:03:45Yeah, I mean, they're selling data no matter what anyway. It's the weirdest commodity that's ever existed. A thing that people didn't even know is worth anything. Are you worried about losing your phone? I mean, people know where? Yeah, I worry about losing my phone. Yeah, I try not to. You probably have an automatic shutoff on your account, right? If you see, no one's going to rip you off from American Express or credit cards. Yeah, but it's still, it's very inconvenient, obviously. It's sorry. It's inconvenient. I use my phone to get my car to my, my, my, my, it's not dangerous. Right. It's not dangerous.

1:04:14My phone operates my Tesla. I don't even have to have my key. Just have to have my phone. You're full of operates your Tesla. Yeah. How do you do that before you just? It knows that it's me. So the app knows that it's me. So as if it's in my phone and the rather the phone is in my pocket and I walk towards the Tesla, the door's open. And let's me in. It's like, knows it's me. I don't even have to have a key on me. It's like, hey, dude, I go, I don't have my key. Don't worry about it. We know it's you. But also someone could take your phone. And without even unlocking it, they could just start driving your Tesla.

1:04:47That's true too. Because you know, when you walk towards the car, it just goes off. Even if your phone's not even unlocked. And that's not good. Because if someone gets your phone, then they get your car. It makes you so smart. So I'm not that smart. Come on, get me a brand new car. Where'd you go to school? I'm curious. Oh, I barely made it through high school. And then I went to UMass Boston. I was in Newton, Newton South High School. Massachusetts. Yeah. Several outside of Boston. Yeah. I think the thing that's helped me more than anything is being on this show. Having conversations with people.

1:05:18Yeah. It's like, you think of education as being something. I mean, obviously when you sit in a classroom, you're observing a lot. You're getting a lot of education. And the kids today that are going through the workload that they have to go through to put in to get a bachelor's degree or, and then a master's or a PhD, it's this insane amount of work. Right. You're, but you're absorbing information. That's the key. The key is that you're learning about all these different subjects and absorbing all that information. And you prove it with your degree. That's the beauty of also making films. Because you get that opportunity to spend time to luxuriate in this.

1:05:54You get to talk to people too. You mean you get to talk to like, yeah, this and that. I was so grateful for this. You know, I've done 20 fiction films, feature films, and 10 documentaries. And you want to get out in the field. You want to talk to real people who are doing things. Well, it's, I think it's so important, especially to do the worth of your doing. How old could you relate? How old can you, you have to get out there? Well, find the quick thing that's bothering you. Yeah. What really is bothering you? And in this matter, it was of course, what do they mean? This is confusing climate bullshit.

1:06:29They go for it back and forth. Even if you don't believe in climate change, when I found out, you said I would still go nuclear because it is the cleanest of all, no battery, no storage. Absolutely. I think there's two schools of thought when it comes to climate change. There's the school of thought that it's not an issue. It's a natural cycle. And there's a school of thought that human beings are pushing the world to the brink of demise. Um, I think human beings are doing a lot. Whenever people try to come up with excuses for things, I was like, ooh, like, well, it's always been this way. But how much impact are we having?

1:07:08Instead of looking at it, like the climate is always going to change, which it always does, that's the thing about the climate. If you look at the climate models of when they do ice -course samples, when they try to figure out like how warm it used to be and what the atmosphere was like, it's always changed. I mean, it's changed radically. But how much are we fucking it up? Forget about it. It's never static. It's never like the climate is like this. Right? If human beings never existed, internal combustion and engines never existed, you still have volcanoes. You've got chaos. You've got asteroids.

1:07:43You've got all kinds of shit. There's no stable. There's no flat, safe. We get to this. We're on our life vest. We're on a life raft. We're going to make it out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Even if I lived at a young age. That's not nice. That's a nice small town. In a country town. That's what we want, right? We want this idea. But the reality is, the reality is ice ages. The reality is super volcanoes. The reality is asteroid impacts. That's the reality. Those are the horrific things that radically change the temperature of earth and the environment and all kinds of things. What about that lady in somewhere in Missouri?

1:08:20The tornado came out of nowhere and just blew the house away. Yeah, and she's crazy. Christ, that's crazy too. Those are things that are absolutely real. Those are the ones that I saw in the Midwest while I was shooting, especially in Louisiana and Texas Panhandle, that area. Yeah. They have a lot of whirlwinds, a lot of wind shift. Oh, it's incredible. There's an amazing video this guy driving at night. And the tornadoes in the distance. And you only see it when the lightning strikes. Oh, God. And it's huge. I mean, it's like city blocks. And it's in the sky. There's just a massive funnel. And these people are in a car.

1:09:03And they're just driving down the road watching this. It's fucking wild. Do you find it? Watch this. Look at this. Look at that. Look at the size of that thing. Yeah. I mean, how terrifying is that? Terrifying. Terrifying.

1:09:23That's scarier than King Kong, Godzilla, all the above. Real things. Yeah. Real things. Not nuclear power. The angry sky monster that comes down and destroys cities. There is nuclear power in that electricity. Oh, yeah. The point. This was all came from the beginning. The supernova that exploded. Yeah. Supernova is exploding all the time. Where does it all start? I mean, the beginning of the world. We don't really know. There's no beginning. No, we don't really know. If they're ever, I think we have these biological limitations that we put on the universe. Well, what if there's a person in death?

1:09:59Where does this explosion come from? Right. And before that was another explosion. Right. There was a great piece. There was a great, great documentary around hyponovas that I watched once. And you know, when they first started discovering hyponovas, they thought that there was aliens having war in the sky. Because there was explosions that were taking place in far distant portions of the universe. And they were like, what is happening? These are happening on a regular basis. And then they realized that these are hyponovas. I never heard of that. Yeah, they destroy solar systems. They destroy everything.

1:10:33Like, it's such an immense explosion of power that's beyond our comprehension. And it happens, it's happening all the time. Do you believe in terrestrial life? Yes. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I just don't know if it's here. I don't know if it's visited. But just the vastness of the universe itself. And if you believe in the concept of infinity, that means the possibilities of this happening exactly the way we are are also infinite. It's not, it's, infinity, it's really hard to put it in your head because it doesn't make sense. But the true infinity would mean that everything that you've ever done and everything that I've ever done and everything we've ever said and every piece of paper you ever put down, all that has happened an infinite number of times in the universe, in some other place.

1:11:29That's how crazy, and every other variable in between. That's how crazy infinity is. So I think that if we imagine that we're the only ones, that seems silly. It doesn't even make sense. It's just too, it's kind of like nuclear power because you talk about nuclear power to people and go, wait, nuclear bombs, nuclear bad, nuclear is dangerous. Nuclear is dangerous. I think we think that way about aliens because I think there's been so many cooks that have had so many fake stories and so many doctored photos and everything's blurry and just weird people that probably lied and then compelling stories that are really confusing, like really intelligent people, a commander David Fraver, who was a fighter jet pilot in 2004 and countered this thing that they track going from 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.

1:12:24I think I saw, was there a clip of this? There's video of this. Yeah, I think I saw. Yeah, there's a video of this thing. They tracked it. They think it was interacting with something that was submerged. They were as close and then this thing, when it jetted off at this insane rate of speed, first of all, it blocked their tracking. It blocked their, whatever the radar or whatever sensors that they were using. And then it shot off an insane rate of speed and stopped at their cat point, which is the point where they had the predetermined point where they were going to meet up and this exercise that they were doing.

1:12:58And this thing went to that spot and it was 20 feet long and looked like a tick tack and it was just hovering up there. Tick tack, what's it? A tick tack like a candy, like a little white tick tack candy. So they called it a tick tack UFO. When I talk to guys like that, when I talk to guys like that, I'll go, well, if it's not a UFO, if that's not from another planet, that it's maybe more scary than if the Chinese have something that's that advanced that can move like that, is this some new type of technology that might be available to the, probably just like the high end military applications that they're using for drones and all these different propulsion methods.

1:13:42If they've figured something that crazy out, it's kind of game over. If they can go 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second, like what is that? Well, if they wanted to use it, they would have done it by now. Perhaps, or perhaps it's an alien, or a probe from some alien planet or something non -biological. Maybe they've gotten past the necessity of biological life. An alien, wouldn't you want to visit this place and share with a culture? No, definitely not. Why not? Because the reason why did you watch Chimp Empire? Who? Chimp Empire. It's an amazing documentary series that's on Netflix right now.

1:14:21And it's about these embedded journalists who document chimpanzee life in this part of the very deep in the jungle, a place called in Gogogo. And it's incredible because the scientists that laid the groundwork for this documentary, they've been studying this particular group of chimpanzees for 30 years. So the chimpanzees have become completely fine with them being around. They have rules of interaction. They have to stay within, I think, 20 yards of the chimpanzees at all time. And as long as they do that, the chimpanzees behave as if they don't exist. And they enact in war, they kill monkeys, they hunt, they defend their territory, they take over a new territory, they do all this stuff in front of people.

1:15:12But they don't interact with the chimpanzees and they don't interact, they don't interrupt their life. I think that's what the aliens do with us. Because that's what we do with intelligent primates. Why would you do any different if you were an alien? I think if I was an alien life form, I would make sure that the chimps don't blow themselves up. Like if chimpanzees and go go of all of a sudden, they've developed TNT and they started soldering and they're building bombs and they're planting, I'm like, oh, okay, hold on, fellas, you can't blow yourselves up. You can't just be blowing the jungle up and starting fires.

1:15:46Let's stop. If I was an alien life form, I would treat human beings the same way that I as a human being would treat chimpanzees if they started developing bombs. I feel like we need to get the bombs away from the chimps. If chimpanzees developed like missiles and they start shooting missiles at each other through the jungle, don't you think we'd be like, hey, hey, hey, cut the shit. You're not even people. Only people are allowed to kill people like that. I think if alien life forms do exist, I think the most likely strategies the one that we use on higher primates, on lower primates rather. We don't interfere.

1:16:26We observe, but the truth scientists, they just sort of stand back and watch. And the chimpanzees don't seem to have any problem with these people being around. That's occasionally they get curious and when they start walking towards the person, the person just keeps backing up. And as long as they stay a certain distance, the chimps lose his interest. It's really weird. You just can't eat in front of them ever. And you just can never raise your voice. You can't behave in a threatening way. And they just interact with the chimps. And this documentary is coming up. It's out right now. Tell them Netflix.

1:16:58It's fantastic. It's really fantastic. But learning too much to face. My point is, I think that if there are aliens, I think they would do the same. I think they would just watch. Just make sure we don't blow ourselves up, watch, and maybe, maybe, you know, let us know occasionally that we're not alone. That's what I would do. I would like, just like the scientists had to slowly habituate themselves with the chimpanzees. They had to slowly do it. They did it over there. Because the first the chimpanzees ran, and then they had to figure out some sort of way that they can just be around them enough that the chimpanzees relaxed.

1:17:37And as soon as they realized they were never a threat, and then generations of them realized they were never a threat, then they could do the work that they're doing. Pretty wild stuff. I think that would do that if I was an alien. I would just sit around and watch. Well, that's why people have dogs and cats. I love cats, or the great. They watch us, you know? Yeah. Sure. I think it is an alien form. Is it a cat? Oh, yeah. Sure. So are dogs. Wolves. Wolves are, I mean, it's a, what a... A bizarre alien form. I agree. Goldfish, for that matter, is an alien form. Oh my god. Yeah, some of the most alien looking stuff is in the ocean, for sure.

1:18:14I mean, octopus is the most bizarre. They're smart, I hear. They're so smart. They figure out jars. They know how to unscrew jars. And they also, they can camouflage themselves to look exactly like the floor. Have you ever seen octopus do that? No. Oh my god. You have to see this. My friend, Remi Warren, he used to have a show called Apex Predator. And it was a, what he would do is like study all of the different methods that different Apex Predators used. And it's C -like, is there anything you can emulate as a human being? But this shows some footage of octopus's camouflaging themselves to their environment.

1:18:51It's insane. It's alien. And this is what Remi said. He goes, dude, they're aliens. He goes, you've never seen anything like it. And he had no idea until he filmed this show. I don't think of how complex their ability to blend in is. But that's octopus. Which one? Right there. That thing you're looking at, they make themselves look like plants. They make themselves look like coral. They make themselves look like rock. Watch when they get over it. Look, look how they change his color. Depending on what he's on. Yes, that's octopus. Look at that. Watch what he does. He blends in with the plant. That's pretty wild.

1:19:32And he blends in with the texture of the soil underneath the plant. Is that because there's a predator around? No, because he's a predator. Oh, I see. So as these fish swim in looking to eat, this octopus is hiding. They have octopuses that kill sharks. There's a video of, they had this, see, Google octopus kills shark and aquariums. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they camouflage themselves to look like anything. Look at this. Watch how it does this. Wow. Just get some good footage of what they do when they get over things. But when they get over it, they've done it like cuddle fish, which are also similar, I think they're called cephalopods.

1:20:14They do it where they've done them, where they try to emulate a chessboard. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. How bizarre is this? Very. So, you know, I wouldn't want to be in this texture. They don't want to be in this in fish around here. I mean, what a crazy little thing that's moving around at the bottom of the ocean, changing its texture, changing its colors to look exactly like its environment. Like, look at this thing. It's fucking bonkers. That's an alien. I mean, if we found that on another planet, we would be like, what the fuck is that thing? For the DOD studying it, trying to make octopus weapons. Yeah, they probably probably definitely have studied these things.

1:20:58Figure out how are they doing this? Yeah. Instead, they're sushi. We turn them into sushi. That's right. We turn them into... We just grill them. That's scary. It's a, that's an insanely fascinating animal that we just eat. You know, we just don't, we think of them as being so far removed from us that they're, they're okay to eat. Well, if you think about it, no, I mean, I, I, I, I stopped eating eels and octopus. I don't know why. I just, and I stopped eating meat about a few years ago. How do you feel? I feel great. Do you eat eggs? Once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, chicken, I don't eat at all, but eggs is different.

1:21:39I think they're earlier chickens. Well, they're not even earlier chickens. They, they never become chickens. Because there's no looser. They're just non -fertilized eggs. They're totally, it's like karma -free. Yeah. Like as long as the chickens live in a good life, the only karma that you have is you're keeping the chicken from getting laid. That's the only karma. Uh -huh. Right? Well, like, don't want to be, chickens, I don't want to eat at all. They look, I mean, I saw that Netflix talking a century years ago. Game changer, was it? You never see that? Yes, I have. Yeah. Yeah. Turn me off. Turn you off to what?

1:22:11Meat. Yeah. Yeah. It's a complex conversation. Yeah. Human beings would eat meat since the beginning of time. Yeah. And a lot of the problems with these studies that are associated with whether or not meat is bad for you. Yeah. A lot of these things are what they're doing is basically they're asking you to take a survey. And if you say you ate meat four times a week or five times a week and then they make some sort of a correlation, they say, well, the people that ate meat more consistently had more cancer, more of this, more diabetes, all these things, which maybe true. But also what else did they eat?

1:22:48Because if they ate meat five times a week, I guarantee you they were drinking Coca -Cola. I guarantee you they're eating bread. I guarantee you they're eating spaghetti. I guarantee you they were eating candy. I guarantee you monster energy drinks. I want to know what the fuck they ate. I don't tell me that because the people that ate meat more. Because people that eat meat more generally, if you go by the narrative, the same kind of narrative that you have about nuclear power, that it's bad for you. If you go by that narrative, the people that shut it off and don't give a shit, those are the same people that smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey.

1:23:22They don't care if it's bad for you. They're going to eat meat, right? But that doesn't mean meat's bad for you. No. Because if they did a real study on what happens when people eat nothing but grass -fed meat and fruit and vegetables from an organic farm? Let's monitor that. Right. And I bet they would do a lot fucking better than the standard American. Right? That's the problem. The problem isn't meat. The problem is what kind of meat? What are you eating with meat? People have been eating meat since the beginning of time. I'm pretty sure. It's not the problem. And if you look at human beings, look at photos of people on the beach in 1970.

1:24:00Right? You ever see that or 1950, 1960? And then look at people on the beach today. Yeah. That's not meat. That's not meat. That's sugar. That's sugar. You can't even be seated. You can't even be seated. You can't even be seated. An abundance of complex carbohydrates. An abundance of simple carbohydrates. So the abundance of food, just too much food. I know what I'm saying. Way more food than your body is burning off. You get bigger and bigger and bigger. And the food is addictive. It's addictive. Especially during the Depression, 1930s. Oh my god. There was photographs. Yeah. It's quite shocking.

1:24:33Yeah. They didn't, well, also preservatives have allowed us to store things on shelves. People binge eat in the middle of the night. And then it's like, on the other hand, we did muscle up a lot, didn't we? Oh yeah, we got more jacked. Yeah, well, I think people also learned too. The eight more protein got larger, learned how to exercise better, it became more of a thing. Like actually really should just do it. Whereas before it was probably seen as a luxury. You know, people had to work all the time. It was harder lives. They didn't think of getting fit and muscular as being important. What about women?

1:25:10Yeah. Do you ever talk about that with them? I mean, why did, should they work out? Oh yeah, everyone should work out. I think just to maintain your body, you just want to do it in a way where you're not going to get hurt. That's the most important thing. Do it in a really smart way if you can do it with a trainer. But everyone should do something. Whether it's yoga or push -ups or sit -ups and chin -ups and body weight stuff. You can get an amazing workout done with a chin -up bar and just your body. Just your physical body weight. You don't really need to go to a gym, but you really should get someone to show you how to do stuff if you don't know how to do it.

1:25:44And it helps if someone can help you write out a program. That's like a good program for someone who's, if they assess like your physical ability. They don't, you don't want to get like a person who just started to go run like David Goggins. That would be ridiculous. But you want them to be able to build up and build up in a way where their body is recovering. And they continue to push themselves but they're not getting hurt. Yeah. That's what you got to do. And I say that to everybody. I think everybody should do that. It's just my suggestion. I know people that are very happy that don't exercise at all.

1:26:18It is possible. It's just not possible for me. And I don't know what it's like for everybody else because I'm not you. But I can only tell you how it feels for me. And for me, you know, I believe the people that say they don't need to exercise. Maybe everyone's different. It seems like we are anyway with everything else. Yeah. But for most people, if you just want to maintain your physical frame, if you want to maintain your functionality of your body, I really think it's imperative. I don't, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't know what makes less sense. If you just, if you don't use your body, it breaks down.

1:26:55And then you can't get around. That sucks. And when you can't get around, then you would, we'd be willing to do anything to get it motion again. But you can mitigate a lot of that by exercise. A lot of it. Just keep your body fit and strong. And you don't have to worry as much about all the things that plague people. You're going to have to worry. We're getting old. But you worry less. You worry less if your body works well. Much less. Well, you know, we got under this with climate change. Yeah. I was saying to you that, you know, climate change, if it didn't exist, which I believe it does, but if it didn't exist, I'd still, I'd still advocate nuclear energy, because it's clean.

1:27:37Yeah, I think, I think that's absolutely a great point. And the IPCC, when they did their, you know, that's, I believe them. They're, their body of scientists. There's a lot of them. I mean, it's, I think 200 of them. No, I believe in them. And the IPCC says 2050 is a marking point. And they made, and they, you go back and you check their charts from 1980s and you find that from 1980 to 2000, they were accurate. And then you go from 2000 to 2020, and they're accurate, very close to accurate. In fact, they were a little bit more optimistic. But now this, so you have to believe it, that it's a 40 year span.

1:28:16Now we're looking at this. What doesn't make sense to me is the illogic of pursuing this path of CO2, considering these charts and saying what they're saying. I mean, what? Yeah, absolutely. You see the hurricanes, you see the waves, you see the storms are bigger. Seems to me. Well, I don't know if they're bigger. I think, they're, I think the new argument is that, what is, what is the actual stats on, because people say that all the time, like storms are bigger, and they've ever been before. I don't think that's true. I think the storms have actually lessened the intensity but increased in the amount of them.

1:28:55I think that's the data. Uh -huh. But all of it's not good. Whatever we're doing, see the problem with me with climate change is that I always get wary when things become ideological. Exactly. When people start talking about it, like, you know, like, listen, you've got to act now. And if you don't, I'm like, oh, hold on, how much do you know about this? And how much of you just saying a narrative? Right. Because a lot of people want to argue ferociously about a narrative that they, they didn't even really looked into that much. And it's, that's the thing about on both sides, even the Republicans had, the people that want to dismiss it.

1:29:29I was having a conversation with a guy who had jujitsu once, of all places, like, it's a natural cycle, no matter what, it's a natural cycle, the earth warms, I go, how much work have you done on this? Do you know what crazy it is? Like, be that sure. When no one's sure? Right. That's the whole reason why they're having this debate. It's because no one can definitively prove how much of an impact we're going to have on us in a hundred years, on 150 years, what's going to happen? No one can, how can you be so confident that it's just a natural cycle that's, but it's a right -wing perspective. Like, he had bought into this.

1:29:59It's all bullshit. It's a natural cycle like bro. How do you know? But you know because you don't like the people that think that we have to ban cars that use internal combustion engines. You don't like the people that think we have to stop and close coal plant. You don't like those people. You think those people are annoying. So you've decided to be annoying in the opposite way. And that's what it is. Yeah, but when you go to a city with horrible air, like Los Angeles used to be, like India, you know, how do you feel? Terrible. Well, there's also an issue with brake dust. You know, when you're in a very crowded urban environment, you're, you know, brake dust, that stuff that you get on your wheels.

1:30:40No, no. You don't know brake dust, is it? When you're using the brakes in your car, what's happening is there's this hydraulic pad that presses against a disc. And the friction of that is what stops your car from moving forward. Right? Okay. So when that happens, it makes powder. And this powder goes in the air. And the powder gets all around your wheels. If you've ever cleaned your wheels, if you ever have like a nice car or you want to clean your wheels, there's all this black shit in there. That black shit is brake dust. And that black shit is everywhere. It's all over the place. brake dust contributes to 20 % of the fine particulate matter pollution compared to just 7 % contributed by exhaust fumes.

1:31:24Thank you. As all cars give off brake dust, there is no such thing as a truly zero emission vehicle. An electric car, same thing? Yep, same thing. Same method of slowing the car down. It's the most effective method we know of. And that's, that's what happens. Yeah. Does it happen less than carbon fiber breaks? Is it the same effect on carbon fiber breaks? Google that. Well, you have a little bit of... It's like the media here. Yeah, because they don't show up. What's interesting is when you have carbon fiber breaks, it doesn't leave that dust all of your wheels. At least I don't think it does.

1:32:03I don't think it leaves the same amount. Does it say anything? Yeah, carbon fiber breaks brake dust. Yeah, here it goes. They're quieter than organic or metallic pads and produce less dust. There it is. They also last significantly longer, can tolerate a greater range of temperatures and fade less as they heat up. Track reports that I have a car that has those. Well, I've written a lot here. Yeah, carbon ceramic breaks produce virtually zero brake dust. I'm like, they literally do not dust it all. That does not sound scientific. Like I said, I mean, they literally do not dust it all. What's on the wheels will be what's on your paint.

1:32:48Normal road dirt from driving around. Yeah, that's what I've found just from driving around with my car. Let me ask you this question then, because you make me very curious. The pessimism in the air that you feel the dystopia and movies you constantly see it, hate those movies. There's always about negative, the sensational stuff and the news is awful. The media just thrives on sensational bad news. I mean, it's wars this. So they make you afraid. Do you think this is like we should be afraid? Do you want to live afraid? What are you afraid of? Those questions. I don't think we should be afraid, but I think we should be aware.

1:33:33And I don't think that the look, this demise fear, it exists because it happens. Like civilization's collapsed. You can go visit ancient Rome. You can look around. You can see the Coliseum. They're not there anymore. Those people are gone. Right? The people that built that admit. That's just going to happen. It's going to happen to us too. And it's going to happen to us biologically too. So there's just constant fear of so many different things that we have to carry around with us all the time as you hold a day of the dead skull. So, you know, okay. I don't think it's healthy. I don't think it's healthy to live your life embracing that.

1:34:13I think you've got to be aware of it. But you got to live in the moment. A stupid and corny is that sounds. That's the only way. Otherwise, you're going to be freaking out from anxiety. Yeah. If you don't, if you can't just live in the moment, you're always going to have too much anxiety. It's my experience with me at least. That's what these people who talk about radioactive waste. Mm -hmm. They're thinking like, yeah, 10 ,000 years ahead. Even then, it's the radioactive isotope. Just decays and decays. Well, not only that, like if they really do have technology currently available, where they can convert that into batteries.

1:34:49Oh, that's great. This is 99 percent, it decays. So what's, you can swallow the 1 percent. Right, you can. You can swallow it. Yeah. Not a lot though, right? I really don't swallow it all at all. Well, you know, there is a certain amount of radioactive material in our bodies. Sure. The banana is the most radioactive of the foods. I mean, you probably can find some other foods that are... I don't know what foods are radioactive. I know what air pain travel is. The banana. Yeah. You want to check that out, James? I bet rocks are, aren't they? Like rocks? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Banana contains about 450 milligrams of potassium.

1:35:38And when eaten, it exposes the consumer to about 0 .01 mRM due to its K40 content. A chest x -ray delivers 10 mRM. So there you go. Yeah. Interesting. So it's the tiniest amount. Interesting. You need 100 bananas to get there. You need 100 bananas to get to that one. Oh, 0 .1. Oh, 0 .1. What about air travel? Like, isn't that like getting an extra? They say stewardesses and pilots, absolutely. Do they three times the level? Yeah, are they in danger? No, they just absorb it over time. So the body gets covered? Some people will tell you, we're exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly. You'd be exposed to about 0 .035 mS.

1:36:32Millions of years. Okay. Of cosmic radiation, if you were to fly in the United States from the east coast to the west coast, this amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation received from a chest x -ray. Okay. Less. Interesting. Well, those are the most severe things. The x -rays, the dental and MRIs. When did doctors start leaving the room when the x -ray out there? I don't know. Like, when did they get hit? To the 50 years, you get the fuck out of here. I'm doing this every day. I don't know. Well, I want to know that. Because they must have stayed in the room for a while. Like, I want to see this thing.

1:37:03Of course. That's off the stage. They get really nervous. They're like, oh, I'm going around the corner. You stay here. Bro, it's like they're setting a bomb. I'm just curious. They're setting a bomb.

1:37:15When did they start doing that? I'm checking. I don't know how to. I'm just wondering. Well, when you think about things like the erudium girls, the horrible radium girls rather than horrible. Well, now he could be dying eventually from handling the radium. Right. Remember, she looked with the... I mean, years of it. How many years of it did she do it? Okay, the shields. Okay. I have to be around then, right? They were wearing a shield. Like a fucking... Like a jowster? Well, I mean, that's what they give you at the dentist office. I'm trying to figure out how to... It's not giving me a great answer on when they started doing it.

1:37:49Can you go to Ramsar MA or RAM -SAR? You're on? Just... There was something interesting here. Ramsar? Yeah, that's the radioactive... Springs that they go to. Oh, right. Where you were saying, in this area is... Here. Okay. We used to know. HBRAs of Ramsar, gamma radiation levels are up to about 20 MSV HR. At waste level, and a population of about 2 ,000 lives in this area. Annual exposure levels range from about 20 to 260 MGY for people in hot areas. So, and they don't seem to suffer any sort of health complications from this. The radioactivity is due to local geology, underground water dissolves radium in urine...

1:38:44urine niferous... urine niferous, indigenous rock. And carries the surface through at least nine known hot springs. These are used as spas by locals and tourists. Wow. So, they're getting a radioactive bath. And the black beaches of Brazil? Yeah. You can ask for that? Yeah, sure. That's another one. Similar sort of situation, right? Yeah. Unless radio. Can you run black beaches? Yeah, he's doing it in Brazil. He's just trying to find some good footage of it. So, people can see what it looks like. I don't know, half ish of what the other one just was. But I don't know the comparison. Okay, so half ish, so 170 MSV every year.

1:39:33Interesting. It's a radioactive beach. That's a movie. Isn't that a movie? Yeah. It is. Or a movie, baby. Old older older. It's an M -night shaman. That's just moving out. Yeah, I just watched it. Pretty good. It's one of that movies, you know? What's called old? Yeah. That's what it's about. But in that movie, it's not so good. I mean, I want to give a spoiler a little bit of a way, but yeah. So, the concern that people have about radiation, about overblown and exaggerated, and now that you put together this documentary, what's next? How else do you get this message out? We're going everywhere.

1:40:19I mean, we went to all the Harvard. We went to MIT. We're going to. How has it been received? Very well by people who know. Yeah. I can't tell you. We're going June 6, which is next week. June 6, we're going wide with the digital. We'll be on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play. As that's, it's not a Netflix wouldn't take it. Really? That's why we have to struggle on this thing. We have to get the word out. And we have a great foreign res, in Korea. I think I have just contributed to a sale. I was just there. Why do you think Netflix wouldn't take this? Because it's controversial. And then, you know, it's the same thing.

1:41:00But they have a lot of controversial stuff on that. Why are they scared of that? Even game changes is controversial. Well, okay. Why do you think I have to ask you? I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. Well, that's what that's a problem. It just doesn't seem like. You never know why they turned out. The documentary's brilliant. And I can't imagine why anybody would not want this to get out. Well, they turned out untold history. They turned out Putin interviews. You know, you know, it's just every time I go into a... Is it a business decision? I mean, what is that decision?

1:41:33Untold history is also fantastic. Like, what is that decision based on? Is it controversy? Are they trying to avoid a certain kind of political controversy? That's my fate. Is that what it is? Yeah, I know. It's a bummer, though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer. So, but anyway, we get out this way. We're going to go. We'll go. We just keep going around the world. I'm going to England to address the royal institution of something or other. And scientists. It's going to be available on iTunes. It's also going to be available on Amazon Prime Video. Google Play. Google Play. And it really lays in gentlemen.

1:42:15I can't urge enough. Go watch it and take in the information. Because it's pretty stunning. And it's really well put together. And the fact that it's a difficult message to get out there. It's kind of disheartening. Because it really does have hope. It's a hopeful film. It's a film that's like, hey, wake up. We've got a real solution. I wanted to make it hopeful at the end. And I think a very uplifting ending. Because it can be done. And why we behave like we can't hide from this. Right. We have to be like, hi, I'm in Rick over. That kind of attitude. Go forward and can do. What kind of resistance have you received from people when you're bringing this film out?

1:42:57Have there been any other? I'll tell you exactly. I mean, we went to early. We went to Venice Film Festival. And I could feel that there was fear about it. Fear about it. Screening it. Then you send it to the US festivals. They're like, Telleride and Sundance and those ones. And one lady who runs one of these festivals told my agent. She says, you know, it's a great movie. And I hate it. I don't want to run it. That's sort of kind of a strange attitude. It's just crazy. Yeah, it's like, no, it's going to create controversy. But I just don't want him to do it. So she might be from the 70s. That generation.

1:43:35She's, you know, listen to Ralph Nader. She's terrified. I don't know. Well, it's one of those things. I, in growing up with the fear of Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, I was terrified of nuclear power. I was glad when they stopped using it. When I heard they were still using it, I was like, that's terrible. Why would they use nuclear power? Because I didn't know. Because we were. I had no politically correct. That's what. Well, it was just this message. And again, it's a great plot line for film. Yeah. I wish I could do it as a fiction, but I don't know how. Maybe I can come in. Someone, one of your customers, how could you do it as a fiction?

1:44:16I feel like you could. I'm sure. It would happen. You'd have to figure out some way where it's significant that it happens in a two hour film. Something that's going to take place over the next like five, 10 years of construction. Well, if you get into a female scientist, saves the world kind of scenario, you know, it doesn't, it gets to be the lone scientist. Volkizum. That's what happens today, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's very strange. The guy who made a big short, he was very talented at a McKay. And he did that film with Starcast about he thinks the world is going to end in six years, he told me.

1:45:00He really thinks there's a definite date. There are a lot of strange theories out there. You saw the film, and I'm talking about no, the Caprio Strip was in it. What movie is this? It was a film. What's it called? I don't think I saw it. Adam McKay last film. Yes, you saw it. I bet I didn't. I have terrible taste in it. But it was bogus in the sense that it was about an asteroid or something. Don't look up as what it's called. Don't look up. Oh, I didn't watch that. I heard it was good though. Is it about an asteroid? Yeah. Yeah, depending. We see. I mean, problem coming. I heard it was great.

1:45:42Well, but I didn't watch it. Why not? I just didn't have the time. I just other things were more interesting to me. There's a water in this thing too, if you'd like. And there's coffee as well. Not that it wasn't interesting. I just never, you know, it's like there's so much. It's really just abundance of choices. There's so much to watch. I definitely want to watch it. And I was going to get around to it eventually. But I don't watch that much stuff. I'm too busy. So I don't have the time to like, if I'm going to do that, it's like once a week, twice a week. Do you watch the last part catch up?

1:46:15Do you see the last six game? I did not. No, I generally don't watch basketball. But it gets exciting in the evening. It is very exciting when you get to the club. No, I love watch it. I love basketball. I love any athletic events. I love watching people compete. It's exciting. Yeah, it's fun. I enjoy it a lot. It's just, I can only watch the, for the amount of time that I have and the interest that I have, I can only really watch one sport. Which is jujitsu. Marshall arts. Marshall arts. Yeah, so that's really, it's combat sports. So the only sport that I really watch the right way is U .S .C.

1:46:50U .S .C. That's U .S .C. But combat sports, that's boxing, wrestling, that's everything. I got that's the, I concentrate on combat sports. Are you going to watch the seventh game? Which is on Monday night tonight. I do not know. You should. I may force myself to watch it. It's a great story. That was a great story. Yeah, it's going, it's going to be good. Because what you're going to call it, is, if you think it's fun. I know how hard you have to catch you up, Judd. You have to find out what's going on. Game seven. There's a whole lot of story. One team is, Ula was up three nothing. Which team?

1:47:22The Miami Heat. Miami Heat. They were up three nothing. Three nothing. And the other team, Boston Celtics, they've been around forever. They came back. They won the last three games. By the skin of the teeth. Oh, boy, here we are. 150 teams of trash. What's the, what's the, really? So this is the first time anybody's got to three zero. And you want to come back? It's happened that they got back to the seventh game four times. But only one thing like last 30 years. What's the question to meet to a sportsman would be, what's the outcome? What's, is it going to work for the, for the underdog now?

1:47:51No, I'm excited. Or does he, one who was, the original underdog was, uh, Miami? I wasn't excited until now. You see, Celtics have been terrific team. And they have great experience. And here they were down and they've come back. So what is the, what is the outcome? Will the gods intervene? The Trojans or the, or the, uh, the Trojans or the uh, Greeks? I mean, you kind of have to know. It's about, you know? Well, that's why things of chance are so fascinating. Yeah. That's why boxing is so fascinating. So I did you watch the, uh, um, Devin Haney, uh, Vasil Lomachenko fight? No, I miss it. It was, uh, this insane fight.

1:48:29And Lomachenko, who is the older guy, he's about 35 years old, just served in Ukraine. He's a Ukrainian and he, he served protecting his country for like a year, took a year off of boxing and then came back and had this insane fight with Devin Haney. It was insane. It was so good. It was just this crazy back and forth fight that most people thought, or a lot of people rather thought Lomachenko should have got the decision and he didn't get the decision. It's very unfortunate when stuff like that happens too, because then people don't appreciate how good Devin Haney's performance was, because they're, all they're thinking about is Lomachenko should have won.

1:49:06But Devin Haney fought amazing too. It was a very good fight. It was a really, really top high -end fight. Like the consequences of that going into a fight like that, when you're watching something like that, like anything can happen. Any, it's such a wild risk that you're going to do this for a living. And then you're going to get to the pinnacle of the world champion. The greatest 235 pound fighters alive, and they go to war in front of the world. And watching something like that, to me, it's so overwhelming. There's so much, I'm so interested in it, but I don't have really time for this. What about dating?

1:49:47Do you date? No, I'm married. Oh, you're married. I know I did that. I did a few times. No, I have time. Yes, I have plenty of time. I have time for stuff, man. But I have to be smart about what I do. And I can't get too involved in too many different things, because I get obsessed with them. I don't want to be watching all the basketball games. If you think about how many hours a week it is, if you have basketball, football, baseball, all these different things that you're watching as well, there's no time left. Where's your time coming from? Right. There's no way. So even though I think it's very enjoyable, I would enjoy it very much.

1:50:23I just stay away because I just can't get involved in too many different things. Well, I relax sometimes with idle time. I let myself, okay, I'm off. I'm off. I'm off. That's good move. And I just enjoy watching old movies, which have nothing to do with the world today, which is more like a fantasy life. I love fantasy and spend a lot of time in it, I guess. Yeah, it's good to do. It's good to be bored too. It's good to just sit around. It's good to be idle. It's good to sit around and just be alone with your thoughts sometimes. I know. I think we are so constantly being inundated with other people's thoughts.

1:50:59It's like, this is part of the thing that happens to with social media as well. I think it's also the way people behave on social media as an after effect of it. Is that you're just constantly inundated with people's opinions and thoughts on things, because you're always looking at something. You're always looking at a television, you're always looking at a phone, you're always listening to music, you're always listening to people talk. There's always someone giving you input. Always. Always. You're seven years old. Seven years old. Do you sleep? Yes. Normal hours? Yeah, I get seven and nine. I like seven and nine eight and nine if I'm working out really hard, but seven and nine is good.

1:51:36Yeah, seven and nine seems to be func - eight is ideal, right? But seven is like, I can perform pretty well at seven. Uh -huh. Very good. But if I'm under seven, I get dumber by the hour. Like, whatever the hour is, like if I like five hours, I'm dumber than six, four hours I'm dumber than five. Like it's really - Certainly haven't been dumb today. You've been pretty sharp. Thank you very much. I got some sleep. On that note, I think I should get out of here. Oliver, you're a brilliant person, and I appreciate you very much. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. And I think your work is amazing.

1:52:09Both your fiction films and these documentaries. And this one that you have right now, nuclear now, I think is one of the most important ones I've ever watched. Because I think you, in this film, and just the conversations about it, can counter this sort of destructive narrative that people have about that. I hope so. Thank you, too. I appreciate it very much. Thank you, too, John. My pleasure. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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