#1995 - Chad Stahelski

32:41Thank you. Yeah, we didn't we didn't get bought so we made the thing independently with Thunder Road with Bouseronic and Eric Ali And it wasn't till we came out here actually to fantastic fest like no was buying the movie so that was all the great Let's go show it a fantastic fest see if anybody will clap so me Dave and Keanu sneak in real low key We're gonna do a little surprise thing at that and Keanu do this little you know way to the crowd and the crowd goes Fucking mental like mental and like the first family and friends we had everyone that was really quiet afterwards Like no applause. It was just really quiet really why I think that is I just think at the time you were in the fast cut shaky cam And it was you know the the just it was so ludicrous that he's gonna kill 68 or 86 people over a puppy and You gotta remember this is how we pitch it right so like we'll go to a studio and go, okay?

33:34So we got this we got Keanu Reeves right? I know we're first time stun guys, but so it's an action movie right? He's like, okay, and And we're gonna he's gonna shoot all this stuff and so his wife dies of natural causes like yeah, yeah The bad guys don't kill it like no But they kill us puppy I'm like yeah, and he kills all the people because of the puppy, but not the what like They're like what happens next I'm like no, that's it the next 45 minutes are like just you know rampage and Yeah, yeah, no, we didn't we didn't sell it So they must be kicking themselves now. Yeah Lionsgate bought us in an Ashley and then they sold it to domestic and Sense and you know we've gone through a couple regime change at Lionsgate, but now like The last one was really cool like everyone's on board like Joe Drake Nathan Keanu matley and Eddie You know Adam Folkerson everybody that's part of their you know, they really pushed this last one They they knew John Wick was cool.

34:25They loved the third one and they got on board, but for the first First round it we had once we sold the movie came out before even came out There's like this lag they bought it and then there's like six months before we hit theaters I think Dave went off and did teenage mutant ninja turtles nine or whatever it was I went off and did that the Grimsby brothers are brothers Grimsby Sasha Baron Cohen movie second unit town in South Africa for like five months because I was broke It was pretty funny. Yeah, we thought we'd never direct again. So we're like we better go find some stun jobs And then it worked out and then like not even a month after you had opened Counted called up and go hey, they call me about doing number two, but only do it with with you guys you in And I was like you kidding.

35:07Yes, we're in whatever it is It's a completely nutty man. Yeah, and number two just picks up right where number one left off Yeah, and we just like okay and right off the jump like opening scene. Yeah, we had no idea what to do I was like trying to figure out ideas for that. We're like, you know It's like the the sensory deprivation tank. It was just going to a room and not not leave till we came up with an idea So you decided just the hunt for his car. Yeah, well No, it's funny. I was it was my with my now partner Alex Young. We were doing a second unit gig. We were doing agent 47 The second one whatever that was called.

35:40I think it was aged 47 right in Berlin and we're sitting there And we had got the call to to okay, we got to come up with an idea and then we partner at the time Or my partner now Alex Young was sitting there and he's like you got to get the car back man He lost his fucking car. I'm like no one's gonna care about the car I'm like dude He's like he's like he fucking total loves muscle cars like you got to put the car every guy he kills He's gonna get a piece of the car back. He's getting his fucking car back. I'm like That's a great opening. He's gonna get the car back. Yeah No, when he sits in the car and he's like touching the stick He's just you can tell it's like he's but that's Keanu like Keanu bring like that's not just John That's Keanu.

36:17Keanu loves cars. He loves bikes He loves the discipline of it. He loves like that's why he's got arch motorcycles, right? Hmm if you ever get a chance you should check that shop out. It's the most pristine I'm sure I can't fuck with motorcycles. I'm scared of them. Yeah, but to build just to watch how he's got all the water cutters There it's very it's a very artistic Oh the bikes are incredible great, but he brings that to every like he just he's very Not compulsory. He's very he loves the car Yeah, he loves the art of it. He's fascinated by like who makes this cup Joe like how do you like he everything?

36:50He'll he just fascinated over he wants a story on it. He's one of the most curious most I Guess curious Artistically how things are done who people are he's just got a genuine curiosity and love for things He's a very unique guy and I think so I've never met him But just every interview you see with him every movie. He's a very unusual person Yeah, and he's got you know, I think I think anybody really artistic or at least the really I think Artistic people that I've met they maintain that little bit of and I mean this in the best of ways a little bit of childness wonder They still kids a little bit like I could talk to you all day about like archery I could talk to you all day about Mars.

37:30I could talk to you all day about motor say I could talk to all day about movies And I think that's you got to have that you need that little Inspiration I think you need that little bit of of wonder wonder lust into into certain things And I think he's still got that like he he will still he'll see a sequence We're coming with the num chucks and do some and he'll start giggling He's like you want me to do that. He's like okay, that's pretty cool And he just goes from totally serious guy to okay now. How do I learn how to do not and he just everything you need to know about num Check he wants to know about num chucks.

38:00He just throws himself into it So how much time did he have to train martial arts before John Wick one? Oh god, it wasn't that He was coming out of a couple films. So he hadn't been like he wasn't in fight chase That was so you know how you know, it's just like you can't just jump back in so we gave him like I think three to five weeks With some of the trainers we found to get into shape to get into shape You know cut weight got himself back in stretched, you know kind of got back into where it was on the matrix And then we stuck them with the the fight teams and the stunt guys I think we had them within three months That was probably the shortest one we did that was about three months to get him into that shape and teach him all the You know the Ike do stuff and the Ike jitsu.

38:41Well, you need so there's so much going on those movies physically that you need to be proficient in yeah The gun stuff the the throws Jiu -jitsu striking everything the Jiu -jitsu was the new thing for him probably not the most physically demanding But you know it is we used to use your hands to feed. I mean, I'm sure you remember the first time you transist in jitsu It's like it looks easy, but yeah Completely it's an eye opener. Yeah, it really is and only even recently for me. I'm starting to feel Like oh, I can move I like it feels just as good to be on my back as my butt Is what I think you know, but I think we took a lot of inspiration from dance like that, you know Most of what we do is dance they're based on dance drills They're not based on martial arts.

39:21They look like martial arts We kick punch but we don't train the actors in tie pads or focus mitts or heavy bag We'll do maybe a little that for impact stuff, but it's mostly about memory Because if a guy can punch and kick that's great, but if you can't remember five moves You know much good, right? And it's more you know martial arts is action reaction or causing The guy to be off balance all our guys are trained to to keep him on balance to make it look crazy But they got to dance with them So it's about that metronome Keep in the beat going so when we trained him He had been trained that way before as more like memorize I memorizing You know a few moves hitting some guy But we realized we had no money and we had no time and every time you do punches and kicks you see in most movies right like they're on you right over my shoulder Then you know, you take the hit and it goes over your shoulder so I can sell the hit So you're always doing these reverses.

40:09So I do a big wide shot profile. You throw in a nice roundhouse kick I got to cut somewhere to show the impact unless you're really kicking me which not advisable most of the time So all every time the more punching and kicking striking you do or if candles not doing the motion I got to cut more and every time I cut it's a setup. It's the it's it's just time consuming Not that it's bad or good. It's just time consuming. We knew we weren't gonna have that sort of like Valk What do we do? Okay, well, we're just gonna grab people We're just gonna make it all grappling And like is that gonna look you know, remember it's all during the boring.

40:38So everything's gonna look very slow You know compared to what it was, but we're just we're gonna do all great. We're gonna I get it to you or jiu jitsu That's it. That's all you get and if you get a punch it'll be a contact hit That's all we're gonna do no punches no kicks no nothing and we'll do it all in one take Hmm and we're all like uh, yeah sounds good um No, no, yeah, we thought it was a complete disaster after the first two days of shooting the fight scenes We're like this is gonna suck we're fucked Why'd you think that though? I think it was everyone's mindset like we did out of necessity and we thought it was cool But like you'd see people that where's the cake like you know Sometimes people look at oh, well, he's doing the same throw over it.

41:14I mean Epan say and ogi looks the same But for us the different grips the different throw it it all looks different to me like I'm a throw You know, I love judo porn. I could watch a million different throws. It's awesome Um for some people it all looks the same. They want to see the cool jumpspin hook kick or something like that um But then we put in the close quarter stuff and when you're seeing it remember we don't have the muzzle flashes on We don't have the blood splatters right so you just kind of seeing you know looks like they're dancing right and then you put in the sound effects And you put in the muzzle and then you put in the fucking rela and like now it's making sense So what are you when when he's shooting in the actual filming?

41:49Is he just pulling the trigger and it's just going click? Well, see that's the thing you have dummy rounds when you when you most movies Always see a to B cutting right I'm on you. You're the guy like guns into camera. You fire the blank Most firearms up to a very recently fire blanks and for the people out there a blank is around Without the actual bullet the lead piece that hits But a blank still has a gunpowder charging it say maybe a you know, even if it's only 50 grams of black powder But at a range of 10 to 15 feet that'll still I can kill you Yeah, we can cost it for us. That's and you've hear about all the accidents that have happened with blanks over the years Like you can't put a blank under your head and pull the trigger.

42:26It can't be right So we wanted to do all this close quarter shooting like we wanted to put the muzzle and and do all this stuff close quarter contact stuff so We you know we went to our VFX guys and the trick is not so much the muzzle flash. It's a lighting interaction Especially at night and it's cycling the automatic getting it in and having the casing ejection all do But it can add up with visual effects costs So we went and we found the armors and you know through Taren and the other the technologies that we found Through the armors we made a plug gun a plug gun is a gun that has a almost a steel rod inside the barrel And it kicks the gas a different way So we still have an ejection, but nothing no energy no flash no padding or wading comes out the barrel Like you know you couldn't put a live rounded and if you tried so is it a lower lower level In England they use some that are like almost air contained.

43:17I can do it and us it's a very very small charge of black powder So it's a very very We call them plug guns. They're very very limited in the greenage. So it's just enough to cycle the round enough to cycle it And the ejection yeah ejecting but nothing comes out the barrel so all that stuff You see the blood splatter that's all CGI the blood is all CG There's one or two instances where it's not but most of the blood is the blood so good nowadays digitally that it saves so much time We're not the change the world over get it. I mean like you know You see like a tarantino like in Django Tarantino still uses old school blood packs which I you know old school.

43:50I fucking love that I think it's amazing But with just the time and you know you like you see a John Wick movie It's like you know the reset on 20 stunts taking hits of when it'd be a three -hour reset the change the wardrobe And headshots you'd have to put a special headpack on with a wig and all that stuff So we do we do the the the blood hits digitally the muzzle flashes We actually shoot against a green screen and we'll call them elements And then we'll plug actual muzzle flashes back into the movie later on So they're not digital per se but they are comped in or in a composition And that's how we get the cool lighting effect and keep the cool muzzle flashes How long did it take you to film that red circle bar scene?

44:27I think less than four days Really yeah, we went really fun and canoes he had the flu he had like a 103 degree fever He was going down it was it was a rough day. It was freezing cold New York. He had the flu Super high temperature and we were just flying through it like literally two three takes move on two three Filming it with the flu Yeah, he's a trooper man. He's a trooper now. That's incredible. Yeah, he's a tough fucker Actors have a fucking eerie till call it quits for the day. Ah, yeah. Yeah No comment no comment, but like most of the people we work with are they get it and where we try to be smart to look if we If there's another way if we could have shut down and let them we just It was like one of those we either got a stop or we don't we'll get one shot and You couldn't a canoes that guy too.

45:12You can't You can't make him read it just film that was on New York City, but the the red circle It was in this little it was up in the theater district I forget the name of it was a shutdown little club That we just kind of open back up and put our own put our own lighting rig in there and just kind of lit it up I mean if you had seen it in the daytime it was all like that shit brown leather it looked like you're walking to a like a You know big boys or something it looked really bad that gives credit to John Sella the cinema tiger on the first one We went in put our lighting grid up flashed a lot of big screen Unlights Put the actors and funny colors and we you know we ran on a money.

45:49So we're like we didn't we didn't know how to put the the bad guys and something So we're like okay, what would Star Trek do and Star Trek? We always called them the red shirts You know the guys in Star Trek that right always getting killed you if the dude was right there Kirk was transported down the planet with the red shirt guy that guy was gone So we put all our bad guys in the red shirts. They were just gonna kill them all I think we had a deal. There's a local like one of the garment district things you gig I think we got all those red shirts for like 10 bucks Whole deal. Oh, but all the stunt guys red shirts But yeah, we did it on this shitty little club in like four to five maybe four to half days And this has got to be very stressful for you to be first time director doing all this And then so much pressure and also it's not picked up by anybody It you know, it's weird.

46:33I guess when you're in it you're just trying to Just go into that mode of don't suck like you don't have to win you just can't lose Just finish get the day do your thing I mean my partner Dave Leach at the time like you know, we both are so we just Love being on set. So I think we just it was kind of straight you know You come from the action you say all these guys can do action and you can do that But when you're trying to put the storytelling and you're trying to do that I mean you might get other guys you'll talk to or guys are coming from the stunt world and say yeah It's just like doing it's for me.

47:04It was nothing like second unit completely different It had that different kind of pressure, but like I I guess You see how things come together more You know, you just do the action you worried about just making it look cool. You're trying to do something like It's you have counter -review you have in a machine you have one to foe Lance reddick and you're kind of going oh, oh, but oh fuck Who was the badass rushing guy that Keanu gets in a fight with the guy throws him off the building? That's Daniel Bernhardt. It's a good for he was the star of blood sport two and blood sport three Yeah, after Von Dom Daniel was this he's a Swiss actor you came that's Daniel Bernhardt.

47:41He's very good He's awesome. He's a good good good close friend But I had work with him he had hired me as a stunt guy when he was the lead actor in blood sport two blood sport three Blood sport four or five. I don't know how they go on forever, right? But when it was time to do this we called in every favor we had and you know like That whole lower budget must how we got Scott Ackinson Marta Kossis and Gary Daniels and Daniel Bernhardt all these markers of roar all these great, you know up and coming action My friend Tate Fletcher was in it too. Tate. Yeah, Tate was with the beard. We said. Yeah, it's awesome Like he had that beard and we're like what do we do?

48:14Oh, we got a quarter year for the beard We slam down and shoot him in the head. Tate's awesome, man Yeah, I'm not a forever. He's a great guy. He's awesome. Good. He's a really good actor He's got the eyes like he can pump those eyes out. Yeah, fantastic, but you look for those guys, right? You put them in the cool spots But this fuck there's eight This whole scene is just so fun It's such a crazy scene Come on, that's a real beard there by the way. Yeah, that's a real beard. He's awesome Oh, yeah, no super fun. I mean, that's always a trick But like if you get the the people you like around you, they kind of give you a hint So we had a lot of we called in a lot of favors and a lot of friends and you know They all know it's your first time like the crew and the cast like Ian McShane or everybody kind of new Kiano had gone out one day off John Wick one and you know New York City base camp is like blocks away from the set so me and my partner Dave Leach It's Ian McShane's first day on set so it's like four in the morning We're gonna walk over to his trailer introduce ourselves say hi.

49:16How you doing? I mean, it's kind of a big deal for us Kiano sitting outside his trailer I like 430 the one is one day off and I'm like what are you doing here? He's like I just thought he'd come in early and talk to Ian and you know Warm up for you. I was a little bit I'm like that's what kind of guy is so he kind of greased the wheels for us It walks in and you know, Ian's like so I hear it your first movie Don't worry. We'll get you through it. You know everybody was so cool because we just kind of admitted We didn't know we're doing and we wanted to learn and get our thing going How difficult does it to take the dailies and then edit it down to a film like the editing process you know to put the assembly together to actually just put clips together it's It's not that hard.

49:57I mean good bad, you know, you could take a couple shots at it it's to And you don't know this until you try it a couple times. It's like where's the actual like how much can you take away? It's like chipping away at the at the statue, right? It's not adding things. It's taking away things to really shine. What's good? You know lose some of the good to get to the great so you don't want to cut your actually don't want to cut any scenes But then you watch the movies a whole and this is what I'd say to any other editor directors out there that are just getting started If you just edit a scene or you just edit a sequence So you just edit like an act and then watch it and go I got it.

50:29I got it You still haven't got it because there's this thing we've all felt it movies about pacing right There's a way a three hour movie can feel like two hours is a way a one hour movie can feel like three hours It's all about the pacing right So what what I learned from it is you got to sit and every time you make when you're in that place We can just make these one minute or two minute changes You got to take the time sit back and watch the whole thing no p breaks no That's and that's what we did on wick 4 A lot of us like everyone kept telling me it's too long so I know but let's just watch it And my editorial would hate me because like twice a week we're like everybody's watching it Mm -hmm, you know like we're watching this and you have to sit and get through the two and a half hours of it And that's the only way you know and then you're like still we're not there.

51:08This is two thousand But is it hard to When you're in the middle of it? Is it hard to see it? Yeah? Because you've seen it so many times is it hard to see it the way another person is gonna see it? It's like It's like Knowing your lost but also not being nor respite. It's being lost in a good way because you can feel it right You can feel there's something cool there and you can feel like I just go back to being an audience But what do I wish I had seen? Sorry, that's okay You know you're trying to trying to figure it out right and that's that's the exciting part You know there's something tingly there.

51:43You know there's something good, but what is it? It's kind of you can't be afraid to try because now digitally we can go back and forth and have 20 versions of the movie Like it's not like the old days we cut film and glue it So we would always make a new we try I've always had good editors I've always had young hungry great great editors that wanted to experiment and you they swing big So let's just can we do this movie an hour and 20 minutes and they'll do a version of it Can we do this out? Can we do this an hour and 45? What's the version of it? And you'll start to see things that you obviously hate but you also see Choices that you could make to tighten things up It's I know I'm sure everybody you talk to will have a different process, but like I think it's both terrifying and exciting and Again, it's hard to explain you can feel like you're on the right path even though you don't know it Does that make sense?

52:32And you just have to keep trying till You watch it in the room with the sound and you're like that's it that's the movie I want Did you bring in people had hadn't seen it before? Yeah, I'm a big fan of like friends and family stuff and like At first you're gonna your ego may not be ready Because like everybody likes something else everybody thinks something should be cut Everybody thinks it's too much blood or not enough blood. I literally in the same day I've had some of our you know some of our You know female friends came in and wanted more action and some of our guy friends were like we want less action Like you just couldn't tell what people wanted um But you listen to what they all love and that was the cool thing they all love Keanu They all cried when the puppy died they all you know they all They all felt it was something they hadn't really seen before it was action in a different way They liked the mythology part of it.

53:26They liked the color. They liked the sound. They thought it was all very well made I mean whether you like it or not you know like the crew is really good You know that kind of thing and that's that's what sticks with you But like I now I'll show my movie there. I love showing it because I love here I like I get some of the most insane comments and it's been it's pretty funny like even the reviews like Keanu I have this little thing like You know, I know I've talked to some director friends that don't don't read reviews We read like everyone like masochistic about it You know with like everything on rotten tomatoes or honest trailers or everything wrong with it or like You know the what the critical drinker all these great guys on YouTube are just fucking hammer us on Little shit and we're kind of laughing.

54:08It's like okay fair game that we were right we're a little over the top But it's very interesting to see what grabs people because partly you're kind of like okay What's working you just can't let it direct you really? You know you don't want to chase the dragon of what other people want you want to do the movie that you want and hopefully people like it But it's very interesting to see what what does touch because I mean you know It's the only true north you have is what you like and what you're interested in and that's how you drive your show And that's what makes the show unique because it's from you you start doing what you thought was popular What everybody wanted to see and it didn't work.

54:39How do you course correct? You don't know because it's not you anymore, right? Yeah, and that's just kind of what we try to do Yeah, that becomes a real problem with people to pay too much attention to Criticism to comments. Well, you can get lost in the middle of I was actually just talking to a friend the other night He said he thinks about negative comments while he's writing his jokes I don't yeah, I don't know if that's productive in the right way. I think it's okay to be aware of it Yeah, I certainly wouldn't want to I don't want to sit on a right a movie based well Hey, you know how many sequels have you seen where they bring back the same cast over and over again?

55:14Or the same jokes or the same gag or the same because they think it works We better not fuck with it. Right. Okay. That's great in a lot of businesses, but in entertainment I don't think that's gonna push or move the needle right where we need to do I think we got to take chances, right? Otherwise, what are we doing? Well, you've created one of the interesting things about the whole WIC franchise is that you've created this universe This universe of the continental this universe of all these different rules that this Group of assassins has and now you have this opportunity with that to do so many other things because you have like a whole world We have T for you there if you want it.

55:54Oh, thanks I guess that's you know We created the world based on stuff that we had done you know being a stunt guy you travel on you live in hotels Thanks, yeah, wouldn't be cool if the concierge gave you a firearm. That'd be great You know, or if they had a gun range downstairs instead of a gym that would be fantastic um But it's also like I mean again if you made your list of the top 10 things you wanted to see in movies You know you you'd have dogs ninjas muscle cars guns archery right you know sort fight You know, and then you made a list of the top 10 people you'd want to see I want to see Donnie Yen fight Steve McQueen do Bruce Lee on Schwarzenegger You know, we just tried to create a franchise where we could put all that stuff in and no one calls on it Because there's no I mean, you know, we've been called for the superhero movies and all the other stuff Which are all interesting and I'm a big fan.

56:37I just don't think That's what I'd be good at. Right. You know, I think Little crazier mindset of what's not being done. Let's how do we get that in like you know the old show Kassouji movies You know enter the ninja or something like that or Chuck Norris's invasion USA like you know things that were kind of so Nuddy and wacky, but like you know they hit a chord So how do we bring that back in just a and I don't want to say a cool way, but like a more modern uh or technically more I guess more developed way. Yeah, that's why we spend so much time on the look of the John wicks like we want people to take the action Like look we're trying to do a good job here.

57:13I'm not just trying to phone it in but the same time we do want to be a little crazy Like I mean how many dog bites to the crotch and I do Quite a few you know how long it takes a train built in mallons to bite a crotch This is take a lot and actually about a day. It's pretty smart It takes a stunt guy a lot longer to get used to being bitten in the crotch. What do you do to pad their crotch? We have these cool little kevlar suits It's funny right Andrew our dog trainer when I first he's a guy that trains all the Wolves for Game of Thrones. That's how I want So I call him said like I have dogs myself and you know you know how you play with the dogs that little ball and you again You have the little tug of war fight with him.

57:53I was like I want to do that. How do I do that? Because like I don't know if people will see that when you normally up into a very recently if you see a dog attack at a movie That's a dog attacking a human The dog doesn't know it's a fucking movie the dog is just attacked the dog is literally trying to hurt that person on On camera. It's not good for the dogs not good for the person Those professional animal trainers wearing a bite suit that you know all fucking kevlar pad You see them it's smoky as well like a suit of armor and the dog just goes to kill him We didn't think that was such a brilliant idea in the way we wanted to do things So it's like there's got to be another way to train dogs so I can train my dogs just to wrestle with me So What we do is we take these Long cylindrical pads bite pads that are painted green screen green Right and their velcroed on one side with a rip cord like the parachute rip cord So they're laced onto the the either the forearm the crotch the leg the calf wherever we want the dog to bite and the dogs been trained to attack green So you can't we can't wear green on set Holy So we've got the dog trained to attack these green uh bite pads and The dogs that's why we go out Andrew finds the the Belgians that seem to have the most promise and they're trained to wrestle They're not trained to attack they're not trained to kill or to bite the sun They're trained to wrestle they have fun so the dogs think it's now fun.

59:15So we're training them You know when usually when a dog wrestles with you or about you know downboy down We're we've encouraged it So the dog is actually having fun so it's not mentally traumatic on the animal I don't want to suck so it's fun So the stunt guys go in they go in for their martial art training and their physical training and kiano and whoever else we're working with And for an hour and a half a day each stunt guy that work with the animal has to go in because the dog has to recognize you Has to smell you has to get used to him the camera guys everybody that's around dogs has to go play basically just an hour of play So the stunt guys go in put the gear on and they wrestle with the dog for the hour And then the dog gets used to them and we put the Wherever it's got to go and then we have these really cool sleeves that have a little bit of a a bite -proof Ethophome in it covered with a really soft pad so the dog doesn't hurt his teeth And the dog will go in and bite and belgians once they clamp.

1:00:04That's what they call them like maligators Once they bite they don't let go So we had to figure a way to get them off when we yelled cut because they're so angst about getting that getting the time So they have the rip cord going so we yelled cut the stunt guy would pull the rip cord the pad would release the dog would hold the pad Walk away with it and just hold on to it for the next five minutes Till he got tired must have dropped the pad So we had five belgians and then we just wrote to every take was a new dog Because the other one had to let the pad go and what did Hallie Berry have to do how much well?

1:00:35We figured since just like we did with Shemere Anderson this one You can't have that because we're so we shoot so wide we couldn't have a trainer, you know Drive behind the couch. John the dog So we just and her and I had talked about well, it's just We'll just raise the dogs for the next six months with the cast So Hallie for like I think it was almost eight and a half months actually Hallie would come in and she learned to train him. She'd carry the little treats and so they listened to the two Belgians that were her number three there's actually four of them But the two that were always on camera that like she literally trained from scratch No kidding so they obey it like they were like her dogs Wow, and they listened to every word she said like she could just snap her fan.

1:01:13They'd be like But it got it got it got crazy to the point where That's Andrew back there, but yeah, I mean if you came over to to Hallie You know and the dogs are there they'd give you the eye like what do you do next to my master? Yeah, they're intense dogs. They're so brilliant, but they look at you. They sort things out Yeah, the team guys call meat missiles They fly Like we've played so many videos of Belgium Malaw was running up hills Oh my god jumping over walls and like they literally can fly through here That's really one of our valedins that ran up the wall in that movie. That was like a 13 and a half foot thing Yeah, it's insane.

1:01:52They are such athletes and the funny thing they're not they're not huge But it is a real 65 to 75 pound animal. Yeah, and I think the funniest thing when we're bringing in A new stunt team and we've got the like before we even do anything you line them up and you let the dogs go in And everyone says they're good with dogs or I'm a dog person until you see that You see the dog attack on camera if you're to turn that camera round what you see are two trainers holding this dog back And the thing is like Where did you go and it's a whole nother level of animal behavior? Yeah, you can see who gets a little shaky Yeah, it was comfortable Dave Camario who we were talking about earlier Who trained Kiano for the judo and the jiu -jitsu and number four?

1:02:32I think he did over a hundred dog hits He just he bought hit from whatever reason crazy Dave and the dogs bonded and they were both they they spoke the single language They loved they loved him So whenever we needed a dog hit it's Dave So they're sad because he's so I don't know if you like he's so calm yeah And the dogs vibe on that and even when they're going they just they're just yeah go play with Dave and Dave Yeah, I think it done so many by the end of the movie county in my special t -shirt of just like a hundred nine dog hits or something Crazy But like the surprise is the first time you see this stuntman Get hit by the dog is it you know, it doesn't look that big until 75 pounds hit you at 20 miles an hour Yeah, it sits them down and they all get up with the same eyes of like what just happened yeah, it's pretty impressive We use those on fear factor really people yeah, but unfortunately we found that they're too light So like with really heavy people yeah, really strong people well they'd get bit and they could carry the dogs Yeah, yeah, and so then we moved to mastiffs Which are not small We had this animal called a Regency Mastiff that's part pit bull part neapolitan and this guy had bred them Specifically so they don't show any animal aggression and when they bite it's just they're it's horrific They're 150 160 pounds exactly right and they're just built like an athlete what did they have to do just attack them and then they had to walk with them Yeah, well the people they with the mastiffs There was a room and they had to enter into the room and they had a Perform a very specific task.

1:04:10I don't remember what it was but as soon as they get into the room They're wearing a bite suit and nobody got passed no the dog dogs names curly The dog the dog they use the dog for the original one of the Hulk movies the one with Eric Banna Those were the dogs they modeled it and when Nick Nolte that's it right there See the original dog though see if they could find the original dog the original dog is this Just Google Regency mastiff see if you can find that Yeah, see if there's any images So Those are the dogs in the Hulk, but the actual yeah, that's what they looked like they did they look like giant pit bulls Yeah, they had the jaw that goes into here, but they're so sweet like really calm.

1:04:59I actually had one of their dogs. I had a curly son His name is Johnny Cash Yeah, he lived a long time. He lived like 13 years Which is really old for a mastiff after a big dog. Yeah, but um Yeah, so the the the malm was they were just a little too light because like with the bite suit on it hurts But it's 65 pounds you can run with 65 pounds like a suit if I run yeah for sure unless there's two or three of them Um, so how long did what did Hallie Berry have to train for that move because she had so many physical first of all she's awesome She's so good in the movie she's so believable And she's so like physically adept like I had no idea she could move like that.

1:05:43No I think she and she came to she came I didn't written the script yet You know, I just got a call from wme and my agent saying hey, oh would you like to meet Hallie Berry? Yes, yes, of course Yeah, huge fan. I think she was down either that day or the next day just banging on my door Right and I'm like, okay, open up. She's like she's walks in jeans and a t -shirt goes hi. I'm Hallie I'm like, yes, I know who you are Of course, she's like um I want to be in your movie wow That it was that she was that straightforward no bullshit. No, that's just I'm I'm going to be in your movie And I'm like that's I'm flattered.

1:06:20Thank you. That's very cool of you. Um, we haven't even written it yet Yeah, no, that's why I'm here now you're gonna write it And I'm just laughing as her is called. No, it's she's yeah, she was right on and I'm like, okay um Cool, let me give it a think we'll figure out something and now I'm like, oh, I gotta write something cool for at the very um But it was like I think a three or four months later It's like, okay, you can come back in now. She's like, that's awesome. It's great changes that this is okay I see it more like this. Okay, we're gonna do this ode to Costa Blanca. So I'm gonna be like Rick.

1:06:48I got it. I'm gonna do this And she's like when I start training. I'm like, well, you know, technically we go into pre - she's like no Just I'm gonna start training today. Just tell me what to do Wow, she was so on it just on. I was like, okay, well first let's get you in the shape tell you trainer This is what we need to do. We need you to stretch. We need you to get all the all the condition stuff in so we can start taking you in And we literally had to slow her down the first week like you know if you haven't done shoulder rolls If you haven't thrown before if you haven't done stuff you have to pull something So she she just went crazy the first like we couldn't kick her out of the gym.

1:07:20She's another kiana. We just couldn't Get ready. Yeah, she's in the gym. She's like put her up at Terrence and like she just lived it Just lived it up there. She'd go with kiana. She's like whenever kiana goes. I'm going so just make make room for me After that movie she ever want to do it again. Yeah, we were actually been in talks several times to try and get um I hate the term spinoff, but they're trying to do other satellite projects off the french highs Which it's very flattering. Hopefully There'll be good ones. I don't believe John Wick is dead Is John dead or is John Wick dead? We don't know We just don't know yeah, but that's what I'm saying yeah Because it was very ambiguous at the end of the movie supposed to be yeah We'll see yeah, you see how kiana went the director feeling three four years.

1:08:07You gotta take him to that bar in Japan Exactly, we're going in September so like you talked to me again Then I could be like John Wick five and a half. I don't know you never know, but uh, Halley wants to do she's definitely still gay for like You know when Halley came I think to I think she she had just turned 50 or 51 I don't want to miss it, but like she's an amazing shape. Yeah amazing. She like I can't even tell you to see her in person She looks 35 Like litter well, she's so fit. I mean, that's that's the key Like never stop. This is one of the first couple weeks. She ever did anything with us like she hadn't been doing anything at this point That's so cori raft right?

1:08:49Oh wow, scissors take downs. Yeah Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, and she trained down at Terrence too. Yeah, she's so game She's like one of those um Yes, she's like yeah, they think on the deal like some people turn off to remember as a choreography They learn it so much that they can throw it away. It's like learning your lines right? They learn their lines so so much they can just flow They spend so much time doing that because they know they want to add in their little details and stuff They make it theirs. It's pretty impressive to watch you almost feel lazy next to him like god. I need to work harder You know, but it's it's cool when the crew sees it You know everybody you can always tell when you're on a good movie or people don't give a shit And then the crew kind of doesn't give a shit But when you see the cast it starts with Kiano He guy never leaves set then you get him and Halle and neither one want to leave set They don't want to miss a beat.

1:09:37They don't want to miss a chance And then you got the rest of the cast and the rest of the crew and the crew is like oh, we got a it's just this constant inspiration thing And it's it's really it's pretty fun. It's pretty cool now there's Are you guys doing some sort of a television show? Yeah, well, it's all there's there's coming out It was on on was it I think it's on Amazon now whatever called the continental It's kind of a spin off that was done Very separate from the world that we've created in the future world It's something that the studio had done a little on the side of of us as we were going Just to see what they could do with this continental series.

1:10:15It's kind of interesting. It it's real It's not out yet. I think it comes out Yeah, end of the summer I think But there's not a John there's real no tie -in to the The giant the John Wick films, but it does have a it has the continental and it's like kind of like Ian McShane's backstory a little bit and how he got there A little disjointed from from the feature stuff, but it's got just another I know it's a kind of a cool world. They built like that. It was very on the side of us And then hopefully we'll be seeing another TV show that's really about the John Wick features The bar at the continental the secret assassins bar the door at the bar.

1:10:54Yeah, like I made a door like that For my comedy club. Yeah, you could open up and say to see who's coming through literally it's the same door When people go what the fuck is this door for the green room of the comedy club and that they go That's the door from the continental that's the ours opens like a hinge But yeah, it's the same same sort of it's pretty awesome. It's pretty though. We've inspired the comedy green room Yeah, like what people see they go what the fuck is up with this door like what do you expect again? No, no, no It's like this fucking real heavy steel door. There's something cool about that right?

1:11:25Oh, it's real cool Someone just fingers like that That's a secret world like a secret thing But it is kind of like a secret world deal like you have to punch the code in to get into the door or you have a key fob You know, that's kind of like subcultures have always interest me. There's always sub -roser, right? Yeah, you know The sub -roser world of the inside it was comedians or stunt guys or or cops or military. There's always that in that in click And I think that's what fascinates a lot of people a lot of times because they want to be part of that little we're actually gonna name Some people give me shit because we called number three parabellum and then number four was like just done with four Yeah, we actually had a title for John wick for it was called hogger curry Japanese word that really meant like hidden leaves.

1:12:07It was a treatise on samurai code of ethics and It really spoke to it was kind of like the art of the way of dying like how do you prepare yourself for a good death and a lot of it dealt with you can only relate to people A warrior can only relate to a warrior, you know, whether you're on other sides or not a cop can only relate to a cop and like you know Whatever a teacher can only relate to a teacher that inside sub -roser thing that only each other knew each other Kind of thing we got it, but we didn't want to put a you know a title on it We kind of lost it I thought it was a really cool thing about being sub -roser being in the inside clear something Yeah, maybe on the next one.

1:12:44Why did you decide just it was like you know it was The actual treatise it was from like 1646 or something like that unfortunately it had been used during World War II as a rallying cry For a militaristic Japan to get behind so in some Asian markets it could be considered to be a problem and We didn't want to take a chance. I it was yeah in the Chinese -Pan Korea. I'm like okay. I get it We don't we want to be sensitive to that, but we still thought it was a cool name. Yeah It's Weird world it is to make films and then have them be distributed worldwide It's because you you know, it's like I'm sure you know you're always gonna piss off somebody Yeah, you're always gonna get something or somebody can be something so you just again I like doing the fantasy film kind of thing.

1:13:36I like creating our own world. We're like doing that because it's ours And it's not taking a side. It's not really I don't have to adhere to history. I have to adhere to an IP and kind of just do our thing And I think that kind of freedom helps a lot You know, I don't think people get I know it's bent out of shape sometimes on that because you're creating your own world Do you feel like There's a there's room for another thing like this in your life like is this something You're gonna try to do again like recreate an entire ecosystem entire world That's a good question. I Again like we like we say it was unintentional completely unintentional almost a fluke We did one then we did set we didn't know I didn't know anything about the continental world wide or the markers or anything till the second We made that up The third one was like oh, let's call it the high table sure someone will buy that sure And we just keep you know kind of riffing on stuff to do and just use your imagination But it works it does and I think I again and it works at a teacher continental too that it's international like when he goes to Italy And he goes and gets suited That's probably one of my favorite things.

1:14:45I love the suit That actor whoever that actor was that is explaining to him the guns and oh what is it Peter Serranoffitz yeah, yeah, he was in a couple he was in um The suits and the guns that this whole scene guy right there the the ball guy right there That's Luca Mosca. That's actually my wardrobe supervisor. I couldn't cast somebody in times. I made him do it and Peter's honor It's this guy's fucking funny. Yeah, you just buy him as a complete psycho that's he literally flew in on the day Learn the lines did the gig and flew out really yeah, he was awesome. Well, he's incredible. All right.

1:15:23What was that movie spy was statham? Oh, yeah, he played the Italian spy. He was so funny So the guy that's doing the wardrobe was your actual wardrobe? Well, I couldn't I couldn't I kept telling like people would come in and start reading I'm like just be like my guy here be like my war and we couldn't find anybody to be Luca here and Luca was so said I'm like, uh fuck it look at put on And he'd never acted never acted before he's great. He's fantastic. He's great I got that like same in number four like The the actress that plays Akira that's rena sum of yama. She's a pop star from England But she had never acted before either wow.

1:16:01I just saw on her youtube videos And I was like she's got to be able to act like she's got so much presence And we just picked her up to sometimes you get really lucky and cool like that You know did was there ever a time while you were doing four where you like this is just too over the top Oh, yeah, like every fucking day like like the shotguns that's been fired We're like You know your needy been it and you do have those moments of like yeah, let's go. Okay. Get that going And you kind of like you have those quiet moments. You're like oh, I've gone way too far Like you watch the monitor and like you know, you can feel everybody behind you And you can you can kind of get that vibe that you know most of your crew thinks you're crazy And you're like yeah, yeah, let's spin the car one more time around This is so over the top and there's so it's so Like I guess you kind of have to one up the movies before but you just like One up to one up the one up you just kept going I think if you because you I guess I didn't want it to make it feel like it was a mistake Or we're just trying to do the one -up thing like now we're all in we're going all out You know, I can't I have those talks.

1:17:07He's like did you jump the shark? Like yeah, let's jump too sharp. Let's just keep going because why fall down you know A lot of my influences are off from Buster Keaton or Harold Lloyd a lot of silent movie stuff and realister made oh that you go back and watch the movies now and Go back like the the documentary on Buster Keaton or Harold Lloyd go back and how did Buster Keaton do all that stuff? Yeah, I'm not we've watched some of those clips and it's like how are you doing because there's no special effects like that? No, I have been a part of so many great stun teams and work with so many great stun rigors and visual effects people There are still gags that he does back then that we're all kind of like yeah, it's a bit sketch man.

1:17:46I like how I don't think you do a lot of what he do even do nowadays because like look this is stuff I mean they're cranking the footage a little bit, but like that's him falling off a motorcycle Yeah, like he still don't think these are all great gags and like if you miss there's a penalty Well, how about the one when he grabs a hold the back of a train to take it's cold the trolley like this right here This is like yeah, this is going probably a little bit slower. Yeah, but you don't have as if you miss your dead. Yeah There's there's no out. Yeah, and when he's got like watch this watch the shitty is doing here Like this and doing that this is early wire work that you can't even tell That's wild But like every time he falls and does this stuff those are real fault like yeah, he's buried a mat in the like look at that There but he's still taking the hit.

1:18:32Yeah, it's a big hit too. I mean that's a long look I mean watch this watch this shit. He's gonna grab the dummy as it comes over the waterfall Like he still got to do it Yeah, it's insane, you know like we'd be doing it with green screen double safeties We'd have wires on and we'd have a backup in there the stunt guy would do it a couple times And like you know, that's not tech 12 rope. Yeah, that's a woman That's not even a dummy. No, no, yeah, he's just throwing it right to the ledge. Yeah, he just throws it to the ledge There's so many of these like look at that. I mean the penalty for that miss is your dad.

1:19:05Yeah, I mean that's not that's not breakaway Balsa wood no I mean, that's probably one of the most famous gags that Jackie's repeated and a few other things But that's you know so like they're like you want I love this Like you know, this is early trick cutting and stitching. Yeah You know, but there's gags he he does and we're still like whoa how is he not like completely broken? By the time he was done filming I mean the the one when he grabs the train and you see him go sideways Like he's holding onto the train and it's yeah, the trolley go. I think I think yeah, I think it's this one right here Yeah, this here like watch this He flag pulls it Like you know, your deltoids gotta be right.

1:19:49Yeah, he's super fucking strong. How about your grip? I mean, I just This is one. Yeah, watch this thing Like how does he do That's a lot you've got a wire coming out of his is uh his belt you can see it right there He's probably got an arbor up top there But like you know, this is the one where I think he uh they said he broke his neck on this one Really? Yeah, he got injured on this one Back down when you broke your neck. Yeah, he wasn't a lot of help Yeah, you weren't exactly the doctor's did for you, but like this here Like oh That's a that's a railroad track. Yeah, there's no pads down there.

1:20:30Oh look and he got up Look at this guy. I mean what the fuck That guy and how many movies did he do like that a lot? Oh my god. He had a ton. He had over like a hundred productions by the time he was done You know and Harold Lloyd was no slump either Charlie Chaplin all those guys But he had to fall all of them There's no there's no trickery to it. They just you know, they gave you the setup But like that's pretty over the top too So we're like okay, so when we send that guy down the stairs and number four we're like yeah, I can't I stunt that one this guy Vincent from France. Oh mate saying like just Muscles what you shouldn't have muscles and you know we scouted Sacker curin was like, you know There's over 400 steps and the partial we're using is like 222 we're like Yeah, we got to send somebody down this I'm gonna make Canada club then we'll send them down and then we know what we'll send them down again So we had Vincent come out and look at it and Vincent's English is limited You know, he's just you know very French and he looked down his advance and you cool like you know one take you're gonna He's like we just a little cigarette and such here when we go He did it the first take he went down only about 10 steps and get stuck in the railing second take is the take That's in the movie where just went all the way down like 200 steps.

1:21:37Yeah, I mean this is crazy That this guy did this what kind of padding is he wearing? He's just wearing like you know the regular cable I'm padding the stunt guys using jail packs fucking air too. Oh Vincent's not shy. Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah He's great Canada on the overlap. It's awesome. Yeah, we have a stair fetish to love throwing guys. It's car hits and stairs It's funny you get Tom Cruise hanging off the airplane. Mm -hmm. I think it's awesome I think it's amazing. It's awesome. I know what it takes to do that But a lot of people can't relate to just you know Hang off and they've never done it, but everybody's falling on ice everyone's falling downstairs Yeah, everyone gets the car thing so we've focused a lot on body falls and you know falling downstairs shit that makes people go Oh, that that could really hurt.

1:22:20Yeah, especially being hit by a car You know, I love car hits love watching that. Yeah, he gets hit by a bunch of cars When you see the stunt guys actually get hit by the car in two like in the scene when he's retrieving his car and you know, he's He waps his one senkae efta. He wapsed with the reverse 180. He really sent him. It was a good hit wrist. I was like 20 feet away. I want you to go. Oh, that was a great hit How did you do when he hits the pole? We had a little bit of a wire on him So the car hits him sends him the wire doesn't really pull him but when he hits the pole high the wire helps the landing So we decelerate him a little bit I know it's actually hitting the pole.

1:22:59Yeah, it still sucks. Oh, she's still Christ But like the the downside just in case he gets knocked out we don't want to land on his head Yeah, I mean how the fuck Yeah, it's fun Again, we we're super fortunate. We get some of the best stunt guys and we most movies prep for like six to ten weeks We'll prep for five months So the guys are really trying to design stuff and other than some you know, bumps and bruises. No one's ever been really been tweaked That's amazing. So that's again Just having the right people Well, I guess that that helps that you have this long background of stunt work I think it helps knowing One who to call and I think you get that sense of how far you can push and again, I'm not against CGI I'm not against digital help we do somebody digital stitches and hide things like I think it's all great It's just what gives you that that energy or that that that feeling of what's going on if you if I could do it all Digeling at the feeling and not hurt anybody.

1:24:04Yes, that's an option But there's something to still real world Physical effects that make you know so crunch. Yeah, there's something about CGI And that's the big I had Rick Baker on and we're talking about monster movies Where they use CGI versus monster movies where they use like his type of special effects Thing is still one of the best. Yeah, watch the thing or American American world Favorite all -time films. That's one of the greatest movies ever ever And it hits you in all the right ways. Yeah, it's so subtle. It's almost like an old hammer film with Christopher Plummer Christopher Lee Oh, okay, yeah, he's got that weird kind of in the mores You know old school fog machines when they're in the thing well John Landis is such a good job But that movie too because he made it funny.

1:24:47Well, that's thing look at the tone of that movie. Yeah, it's so different It's it's not quite action. It's not quite thrill. It's not quite horror But it's that little nexus of that weird Almost cheesy, but he rides the line, but then it's still fucking scary Yeah, and it's got the best transition into a wearable. Oh, yeah And I mean the what would you call wear wolf Nazis? Yeah, those monster Nazis. Yeah, it's such a good movie But I would agree man. There's something about you know, I put the KY jelly on on the on the creature suit and it comes out There's something about that, but I think the really way to do if you could blend it You know if you can blend that great prosthetic effect With the CG motion and somehow really put those two together just Most people nowadays they choose like what half of what we're doing are blends like it's a practical stunt Done in a digital composition like I'm layering in things Like the the shotguns of the guys are on fire, but I'm putting the shotguns and they're all different layers that I've stitched together And all the guys are doing it so I don't have to worry about you know, putting guys out because they're still on fire So we're doing like a Texas switch.

1:25:50We see one stunt gun fire run in and another stunt guy He goes out he gets put out and the other guy comes in So what was the inspiration for this what was this shot guns supposed to be loaded with it? It's actually it's actually called dragons breath you can check it real it's real dragons breath real shit There's there's this is great youtube video with this Russian guy if you type in dragons breath He's got a red, white, and blue shotgun He's this crazy Russian guy that does it and it's Fucking that guy second one down. That's the first video I saw of it with this crazy Russian guy He shoots like a spear gun out of his 12 gauge.

1:26:28He does all this stuff. He's doing all these wacky rounds Like you know, these little needles that come out and then the spear and then he does dragons breath. Oh wow and so There really does light people on This fucking crazy. They're the they're like the big balls right they're covered in phosphorus So they hit the air they ignite so they're putting holes in you and they're lighting you on fire at the same time Where do I buy them? See I saw that like early in prep. I was just fucking bored out of my mouth surfing through the internet I was gone like I was looking like we already did the vanilla thing you know, we did the catty You know is quiet loading I'm like I don't know if I wanted to shotguns again, but I'm like look.

1:27:05It's the third act I got to go ramp somewhere. I have the arc to try and sequence in my head. I know I'm gonna do the stairs Uh, you know, like and then Terran introduced me to the Genesis shotgun automatic shotgun that thing is insane I shot that it is place. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's like 12 rounds. How many rounds is it? I think it's more than 12 is it 20? It might it might it might it was a giant banana clip. Yeah, I thought it was almost like 14 or 15 It's something like that right, but like and it's boom. It's like very on an AR platform, but it's a shotgun So he had already introduced me to that and that was out in Berlin going I don't you know how am I gonna do because it to to regular people it looks the same It's not a stylistic change.

1:27:42It looks like again like an AR or a 308 or something right So it wasn't going to be a shocking change if he grabbed it from the guy so I'm like Yeah, I'm gonna do this and then I saw that video. I'm like oh That's it now like oh, but then I couldn't figure out like because it's just that starburst and like you like no one Called bullshit on me right that doesn't exist So I thought in the montage. I'll have these guys pull out the dragons with and then I saw this You know, I have this huge video game Like a cinematic trailer collection and I was just scrolling through it in this game We know something I had I saw like years ago was called Hong Kong massacre.

1:28:21You have Hong Kong massacre Trailer and I was like what was cool about it was from the like we used top shots a lot in film and action But it always looks like if I did a top shot in here. She's looking at the carpet and be the top of our heads doing fight stuff right So it's okay, but like I wanted to make it color and poppy So I saw this in the blood on the white floors and the paper and all that. What the fuck is this right? But this is some wacky. I had never heard of but I'd saw the trailer. It's fucking cool. This is a video game. Yeah. Oh my god Well, we're getting so close with AI and CGI and the the ability to recreate scenes that aren't real right like Are you worried that there's gonna come a time where you're not going to need to film movies anymore?

1:29:03I I don't Yeah, that well, you know, that's part of the thing with the writer's strike right now Part of the part of the negotiations is AI and they're trying to and I'll prepare for well that's in technology. It's gonna replace you. That's what's interesting like you know People think the you know the writer's strike is about something but that and there's pay raises There's there's a lot of issues to what the WGA is doing right now But I think the the writers are addressing something that people dismissed too easily, which is the AI influence like somebody's got to be the first one to bring this up Mm -hmm.

1:29:34You know you'll have some people might might critique Going well, why are we talking about AI like they're not gonna write but yeah, they it it can I think the writers are doing the absolute right thing right now by bringing this up By introducing this because it it's at that point where um AI is doing the art already, you know, you can pipe in right? Yeah, it's really freaking out. Yeah, and they should I mean we we've seen what it can do. It's impressive But you do have to feed it from somewhere. It's not quite gonna take over the world yet. Well, this is artists Her name is Molly Krabapple and she she's been speaking out about this and it's a she's got a very good point It's they're not really Making these they're kind of stealing them from online.

1:30:16That's what's happening. That's what the way to go because the scripts have to come from somewhere right I have to input something Well, but at least with writing you're kind of inputting from language human language that exists has existed forever But with illustrations they're taking illustrations like you you were aware of the um um the artist Alex Gray Alex Gray is a famous visionary artist There's a lot of this wild psychedelic stuff You can ask AI to make like pull up the ones that I have on my Instagram um There's they they did these images in the style of Alex Gray and they're as good as Alex Gray stuff I mean it but it's stealing but they had to leave from his style.

1:31:01It's his style. He created this stuff like all that right Like that is all AI generated and it's Fucking fantastic and it's some people like I don't like it. Well, I do yeah I like it because I like to look at it, but I would rather it be something that Alex Gray actually made But if you look at that that art is incredible. Yeah, I mean it's undeniably incredible And it's all psychedelic inspired and like look at that. Come on That's AI made that. Yeah, I mean what the fuck man. Yeah, I don't that's a Cano's really big on that too like we're all worried about not where I guess we're concerned about what What the not just the licensing I'm not worried about being out of a job Yet, I don't think um, I think we're still ways off from that as far as live action film goes as far as anime Or video game cinematics and stuff.

1:31:50I think that's that's on the horizon. Yeah, I really think that's coming If you're doing trailers or if you're doing short films especially with computer generated animation Yeah, I think that's a legitimate concern as far as the overall creative I don't I agree with you I think it's a concerning thing but like we're how do you control technology? You can't don't do it So it's just going to get better. I think Unfortunately, what what my thought is that one day it's gonna get to the point where People have to cherish things that are actually made by humans yeah like this tables made by a person handmade The handmade by a person And it's not going to be everybody that cares There's gonna be some people that argue a fuck.

1:32:29I mean, I made table. Yeah, maybe they want look I want to I want a human written song. I want human composed music. Yeah, you know But I think the licensing part of it is like until I mean as far as I know they still have to input like you're saying James or John Gray they have to like him. They don't have a word for it So they have to import and literally steal his Yeah, yeah, it's like you have to steal his images and then use AI to make something in the style of him But as far as like illustrators for like the cover of books and things along those lines I think that's very viable. Yeah, I mean, they're fucked performance still I think is because even now with what they can do with avatar They still need performers to go on to give you that little twist.

1:33:10Yeah, I mean, I think we you know Directors come in and kind of create, you know like the animations like we you're still using a model that you've seen in your head To try and get that computer generated character But I think the real genius of film sometimes is the unknown right the happy accident as worsen well as would say You'll get kiana or Brad Pitt or you get these wonderful actors up there and you'll get like I just watched heat last night Oh, amazing like you can't tell me Man had all that like those are just great people on screen and they're just you can't Al but you know, it's a great ass like you know that wasn't scripted that's how come like yeah, there's still those moments I think how about al butchino how many kids at 82 What very fucking psycho or stud?

1:33:54I guess, but I mean yeah, that's where is he gonna be when that kids 20 or five? Yeah, you know or five. Yeah, right right Because like but like that's that's crazy, right? It's great. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. He's 82 years old I'm still shooting live rounds What the fuck oh, it's a great cover story. I don't think it is yeah, but that's That's impressive. I mean, maybe he needs to get a DNA test on Bet he did demand one do you demand one oh boy? That's a tense moment that he can no longer have children. That's a boy turns out he is the father That's a tense moment that's an uncomfortable conversation.

1:34:33I thought I couldn't have kids You wonder if he had to I mean to say I don't trust you I want a DNA test on that that flavor is the entire recipe. Yeah I'm gonna go well after that. Yeah, I mean it's always gonna be at the mommy daddy talk You might not make it to the kid being five because I heard Just might have a heavy pillow for him. I'm gonna say Have another cup of tea darling. Yeah, yeah Whoops, what is that a banana by the stairs? Yeah, yeah, it's uh That's a tense moment you're asking someone to take a DNA test and then you say I'm sorry. That's not enough trust out there anymore Well, that's probably gonna be around mid -eat too.

1:35:17I think mind reading is around the corner I think yeah, is that what we're headed? No, I think we're about a decade away from no secrets None zero people being able to read people's thoughts really yeah, I don't think I think The application of it will probably they'll start probably Doing neural ink and similar technologies. They'll start doing human trials probably within I think I can start doing it already But I mean in terms of like the ability proved Yeah, they're approved for human trials. Yeah, what kind of a psycho do you have to be to be one of the early adopters? Yeah, go ahead. I'm gonna quarter size hole in my fucking skull Pretty desperate.

1:35:56You really want that cigarette or that bowl of soup Yeah, whatever was all that crazy stuff in the 70s and MK ultra and all that they were all they're already trying to do all this Oh, they were doing some wild shit and in the 70s in the 60s. Yeah, that's uh with the book Chaos by Tom O 'Neill I talk about it too much and I'm sorry for everybody No, I love to read it. No, I haven't read it. It's about Manson. It's about Manson the CIA and MK. Yeah, MK ultra this Jolly West he was also responsible for making Jack Rubigo crazy He visited Jack Rubin jail and after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald and then Jack Rubin was like saying they're burning the Jews I'm beside the hiding under his bonkscreaming like I mean hell like he was They fucking doasted with acid Then they dozed Manson with acid and I think they taught Manson like me according to Tom O 'Neill's research which I trust And it's an amazing book Tom O 'Neill was a guy who was a neighbor for my friend Greg Fitzimmons and he was like hey, what are you working on?

1:36:54He's like um to write this article about Charles Manson and the the anniversary of the Manson family murder He starts writing it 20 years ago and he starts doing research and he can't get the article out He it's just too much research. He's doing too much and he it extends Fucking forever. He keeps having to give money back and like the publishers have freaking out at him And then finally they got him someone to help him and an editor to sit down with him He puts out this masterpiece and this book is called chaos and it's the definitive book on Charles Manson the Manson family and their ties to the CIA and it's fucking crazy It's great.

1:37:36They did it to discredit the hippie movement They they they had this guy and these flower children they had them go out and fucking murder people And they talked them into doing it with acid and they trained them how to do it through the techniques and he learned through MK Ultra Yeah, it's like it's pretty pretty definitive. I mean if you when you read it you're you know, it doesn't leave a lot to imagination Yeah, it's like pretty much that's what they did and you know they were Involved all kinds of shit with that back then, you know, they that's the Stanford prison experiments That's the Harvard LSD studies the Harvard LSD studies when they did that you know who was in that The fucking Unibomber The Unibomber yeah Ted Kaczynski he was a part of the Harvard LSD studies He was already fucked up and his brother said he was already fucked up because when he was young There's a great documentary on him that's on Netflix.

1:38:28It's really good And in it they talk about how he was ill when he was a child when he's a baby and they put him in like this And I guess some sort of a hospital and in this hospital they didn't pick him up They didn't take you they just let him cry in a crib for like weeks and months and like he had no human touch Jesus, yeah, so he became like this We can fucking psychopath and then on top of that they put him in the Harvard LSD studies So then they don't and then he writes the manifesto and then starts fucking killing people because he thinks Rightly so the technology is gonna replace human beings which I think is probably as crazy as he was He probably saw something I mean if you extrapolate what's happening now with technology And you take it to To its logical end like what's the event horizon of technology?

1:39:21Well, it's an artificial life form It's probably what it's probably not just AI. It's probably life itself It's not the artificial intelligence that exists in the computer. It's probably a new form of life And I think that's probably what human beings get birth to I think that's what we're doing That's why we're obsessed with technology and innovation. I think it's a part of the process that leads Intelligent life forms to create intelligent life. Yeah, which is evolution and that intelligent life creates vastly superior intelligent life Because it just knows how to do it better and it probably doesn't like almost instantly I was like oh you guys fucked up everything exactly when it looks back and goes okay We don't need you anymore.

1:40:00Yeah, well not only that just all would have to do is just meet all you'd have to do to get rid of people It's people like oh, they're gonna wipe us out all you have to do is give us free electricity free food free internet and an app that makes you come And that would be it that's it. We'd all that's it. We'd all just stay in our homes. Yeah, no one would go anywhere And just let it fade out. Yeah, if you can come 300 times a day good luck having a family. Yeah, you're not Good luck having relationships good luck even forming them if you can have dating these these experiences through an app or through artificial intelligence something that's attached to your brain that's infinitely superior.

1:40:40I mean look how addicted people are to just looking at Tech talk just looking at people do dances and get hit by cars. It's just really crazy It's insane and it's so addictive and it's very minor in the reward that it gives you It gives you this very minor dopamine rush, but if it gives you Transcendental experiences, unbelievable experiences surreal to the point that they feel real Well, that's the worry about the simulation right that like there's a lot of people Elon included that believe that it's more likely that we are in a simulation than not And that's like I had a long conversation with this guy about probability theory and simulations and be according to probability theory We are in a simulation, but it's like How do you what does that mean like what are you saying like well if there is a simulation if it's possible if there is infinite Galaxies out there, which we're pretty sure there are and there's infinite numbers of life forms that are Where we are and superior and then superior to that and then like every variation in between It's inevitable that someone is going to come up with something that's indistinguishable from reality that or superior to it and maybe we're in that right now And if we are in that right now, you know How did you know yeah, I would you know I mean, maybe that is what life is maybe that that is Yeah, maybe that's exactly how it works out Self evolving yeah, this on correcting yeah, and we think of it is like oh my god It's not even life, but maybe that is that is what the universe creates the matrix did hit on a few things like that Which makes it a little bit there's a whole thing I remember after that came out with 98 99 everyone was really thinking like that You're like how would you know right and they had this they had that great little scene at the end was like You know the first one failed because it was too perfect.

1:42:32Yeah, you fucking humans and you failure you needed pain You needed misery to make it work and that kind of auto -cracks back to the act like yet first you'd go like well We can't be a solution because my life wouldn't suck so bad and you're like well actually You know yeah, maybe it would maybe it would suck. Well, maybe that's also what motivates people to continue to buy things and innovate I was gonna say without that I want more right how do you keep the machine going? Yeah, I need to jerk along the wheel and it's kind of like people inherently know it which is why people are Oh, I just want to carbon by the by the wake.

1:43:05Yeah, but they want to go buy a new tent and they want to buy a canteen They want they keep one they want everybody wants their kit man everybody loves kit. Yeah, they never stop It never stops. It's a desire that human beings have that no other animal house Which is weird now too because it's not only just going out and go camping They want to go out camping so they can share experience with someone else right at times I'm still a little old school so I don't really do the social media thing or anything but like you don't do it at all We have a Instagram for the company that's good, but you personally don't do good for you I'm so happy when I meet people that are just I would know how good for you I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Adrian I'll let my socks where I draw the line.

1:43:40I don't have a I'm like Get out of here. So plus is Chinese by where but yeah, exactly right? It's another way into the phone as opposed to what though America will have to say it like it's the same thing. Yeah, okay, different country. Who do you want? Who do you want? Listen to you. Well, that's this is interesting like that car that I showed you that um the Steve McQueen bullet call I was googling that and then all sudden it shows up on Instagram Of course, I was a bunch of them show up on Instagram. I'm like what the fuck is this? Do you know many times? Yeah, of course. How is that on my Instagram?

1:44:11I didn't look for it on Instagram No, they just cross ramps. It's somebody sharing somehow or another it's getting in there Is what you want? I literally have a separate computer at work completely dialed in like almost here Tofmeek is the shit I look up. It's pretty sketchy. It's pretty sketchy. Yeah, that's probably smart, you know, yeah, and then uh, I don't know It's weird people do experiences just to share them Instead of experience him. That's always been weird. That is weird Like when people go camping just to let people know they're camping like look if you love camping right on because like You know, I don't need to video videotape myself rolling to know I love Giu -Jitsu, you know, right?

1:44:49You know, but people do love to do that. You do it. Yeah, look at me Yeah, okay, that's a bit there's also a value in it for some people that do it they're in that world like competitors You know absolutely no marketing is one thing Yeah, but when you're doing as a social structure I think that can be damaging because you're not giving a hundred percent you're not focusing I think that's a really a lot of the like it's blurry line though. It is right because it's weird I get a lot of our stunt teams are younger obviously they're younger I calm kids, but they're in their 20s Going to 30 I mean freak athletes fantastic, but that generation is completely woven into that like But again, we're in the entertainment industry so they're trying to get themselves out there because that's not how you get jobs Yeah, like my day you had to go knock on doors now.

1:45:30It's like put yourself out on Instagram Doing a cool trick and now you get the next gig So you know, I can be the old crusty guy going ah you guys with your Instagram. I should but to them it is part It is a weird line because it is how they get work is how they get themselves out there self branding is a part of our world now Yeah, you know, but it is it's it's weird where people just want to take pictures just for the ground. Yeah, that's all they want Experience it and take pictures, but don't do it to take I met this guy at the gas station today and he asked take a picture I'll go sure and he goes don't worry.

1:46:00I won't post it I'm like Pictures of me they are out there good and posted. It was nice. It was nice. It was nice. Yeah, it was nice It's it's weird that you have to say that but yeah But I think he's a pretty old school guy. Yeah, but the fact that he said that don't worry I won't post it. Well, that's good. It wasn't for him to get recognition It was fine because he's actually a fan and you just wanted to show his you know, well you want to do it for his wife Because he said this wife calls me His boyfriend or something like that I'm that he's a fan boy. All right. Okay, little little little deep with the story there.

1:46:32Let me just some fucking You know, oh, you got a man crash on Joe Rogan. So he took a picture But he's like don't where I won't post it. Like that's interesting. I thought it was interesting at the time I was like, I don't care. It's okay, but it was it is interesting that he like it was aware of that like not But that's I think that's a good thing. That's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good man. Yeah, but it's That the thing is like it does it exist, you know, if a tree falls in the forest He ate a little Instagram it does it? Yeah, it is a I mean, it's in an inevitable inevitability, you know, and my kids are like firmly Trunch like that.

1:47:05This idea born with cell phone in hand. Yeah, you know, that's it What's shocking to me is how well they are at navigating things how have you seen like you know, I have a you know, because 10 Mm -hmm flying through that iPad crazy. I can't I'm still looking for my email. I did not edit shit My daughter Figured out when she first got a phone that if she screen records because my wife gave her a time limit on it But it was a password time limit thing So she would have to give it to my wife to get extra screen time So she set screen record so she knew when so she just rewound it and like she's doing the bank 9 whatever the fuck the number is literally Am I courted first of all I want to give her knuckles For figuring that out.

1:47:52That's pretty dope. Oh, like how you did that's that's a clever little girl. Craftiness is a big skill What's like they're they're like little prisoners, you know prisoners figure out all kinds of stuff to do because that is Necessity they figure out a way to make things and manufacture their own stuff. It isn't that a truth like I was you know People always come up and ask like I'll get I want to get into directing how do I get into directing? I'm like okay, what have you directed like what do you mean? Well, you have an iPhone right? I mean Do you see what these things can do like yeah? You know, we had the big memory the big VHS cameras to VCR Yeah, like with an iPhone like let me get this straight you can edit shoot color correct sound correct sound effect Visual effect like you do all you can You know on the phone on the and I've like again my 10 -year -old like nice enough you can fly Yeah, they they're so good like you do effects you do slow motion.

1:48:45I've seen stuff that like I you know wire removal Yeah, you do full -on composition. Oh, yeah, like it's unbelievable It's unbelievable and then just they're free apps What's all the photo ones you give different heads on people? Yeah, you can start deepfaking people On your iPhone right now that's another thing. It's fucking people up as these filters We're girls see these girls that have this perfect face and perfect. Yeah, and they don't realize yeah That it's a filter it's Photoshop. Yeah, and Photoshop's basically looking at animation. Yeah, it's a version of animation The applied to an actual human being isn't that creepy though, but everybody thinks that's what you have to be yeah It's what they're it's we you know, there's a lot of the effects companies nowadays that are do stole cosmetic work You know, not just to you know fix scars or inconsistently fly away hairs and stuff But you can do the the level of what's possible cosmetically in Digital work right now is pretty fascinating one of my wife's friends was a model and they would take photos of her with no makeup on It was all no makeup and they put it all on afterwards.

1:49:43That's insane like she's basically a canvas See that's right now you go to AI and you go to like I know count a lot of actors have deals You cannot digitally alter their image in any way Cana tells a story when we were talking about AI While ago is like you know, he had done a certain performance and they had added a digital tier It seems so subtle and so trivial, but it did change the performance You know what I mean? Yeah, so you've come in you've committed to a performance and someone's changed it Yeah, your knowledge like that's granted that's that's beyond editing because we could choose different takes But still it was augmenting a performance that was never given right you know, that's just a tip of What you could do now?

1:50:23What if you started digitally enhancing smiles or frowns or you gave an eye like It's not just a look. It's not cosmetic. It's performance Yeah, you can alter so much about a person's facial features and a film Well, what just I mean I do it in this you know, we do face replacements all the time You know, not on camera, but on some of the other cast it when we're doing a dangerous stunt Or we have like a helmet on a guy will erase it and put a Non -descript person's face or head on it. It's it's fucking cake. It's really easy Which is scary. Yeah, you're laughing about it when you're in the theater and you're editing But you're like, but that's what my thought is that in the future Will you even have to make that scene?

1:50:58Can it all be done with AI because I think right now There's that uncanny valley right where you see AI scenes you're like, oh, that's not real Yeah, you know like in game of thrones like when they have the dire wolf's walking around like that's not a real wolf Right, but how far away we're from totally being I think you could do it now. It's time and money If you watch if you gave a digital artist enough time with just the technology we have today You could do a digital character and work with the I mean just it's time But we can do that like we can make it look photo real It's just it's the it's the organicness right?

1:51:32It's that heaviness when you step or it's the inconse It's almost too perfect. It's the inconsistencies. Yeah, it's the fucked up hair It's the you know the little like you know gesture that you can't figure out all the person Yeah, where the Steve Bouchermi Yeah, exactly the the unpredictability yeah, nuttiness that you can't quite get but that's just a matter of time That's just time Yeah, but the technology's there if they're just gonna take all the weird characters that have ever existed and come up with one Well then you get an algorithm to pull in the aggregate and all the fucked up Where it's out there and how do you spit that thing out right?

1:52:05It's basically a version of these outscraping So just gonna take all the weird guys that yeah, no, I don't I don't doubt it And our directors, you know, I mean that's why a lot of directors get into animation There's very other other than you know taking references and stuff but like no one's calling I mean Those those animators they're drawing their characters from somewhere. Yeah, whether it's a person they see in the street or it's a Tekken video or it's you know a Taikwondo match They're taking that action from somewhere and then they're embellishing upon it So like you know no one's calling them out on where they're drawing it Yeah, it's just such a strange world that we live in now especially I'm 55 I don't know 54.

1:52:42Yeah, so we're essentially we grew up in the age where we were there when the Answering machine came about we were there when the HHS. Yeah, we had dangerous We were there when the VHS came about like those are to go from that to where we are today Yeah, it's fucking insane and to try to figure out what's next like where the future is right? It's like what the fuck that was just in the last God what 20 30 years and an Apple released that thing today Did they release it do we know what it is? I'm like look and it's it's gonna call it to me be expensive It's not gonna come out till next year But it's got a headset now it's trying to find a picture It's they just released some new Apple AR headset that's supposed to be a real game changer really yeah It's gonna be augmented reality and virtual reality It's got see through though, so like there's a picture I've seen on this little show you can see see their eyes through it.

1:53:41Oh What does it do does it layer in reality and okay? So it's augmented and that might be able to shut off and you can do some VR stuff I haven't seen the right we're doing the shows again This might be the step this was this was a touch No controllers, so it's all with your hands, right? That's I'm saying but you can project the hologram and then you so minority reports Yeah, might already reporting moving stuff around yeah underrated. Yeah, very underrated film. Yeah, here's everything This is it so you get so was that a screen so you're watching they do have a controller there But maybe you don't need it so I used to play video game there I think oh see you play the video game right in front of your face.

1:54:20Oh wow. I still see the world around you Oh wow Screen so there's no screens you're watching a movie but but that could just be a screen. I won't I don't want that But I want is full immersion what I you know like that's that's what I'm interested in when it comes to like video games and films like full Immersion I have to do well we'll find out you're talking you don't want to see the world. Yeah, yeah I'm I think that's it's gonna get real well that that's the reason what you're talking about earlier when you're talking about like the wall E thing you had a bunch of people sitting chairs now you're watching you got your family on couch instead of watching a TV together Yeah, and you have five individuals and they're on world that's very bizarre.

1:54:59Yeah, you're all watching a show together But then your kids sneaks in porn. Yeah, and you guys other shows like how's that going? It's great dad It's great. Yeah, that does it does end up doing what you were asking for so here's just a little video They showed at the event so here's some the guys like looking at different screens that would be on this phone or computer And this thing then expands out here in a second. He probably had a button. Oh wow Next one then shows it take a real room whoa These floating space watches you're not gonna get anybody to leave the house in 20 years It's gonna be very strange Very strange Remember we had to go to a bar.

1:55:34Yeah, remember those days. Yeah, you just told your friend to meet me somewhere Cuz there's still no. Oh, yeah, you had a meet him. You couldn't call him. Yeah, I remember those days When I used to go to the pool hall the the most valuable thing was the payphone did people would call the payphone How many quarters did you used to walk around we'd have our pager and stunts you'd have about 10 minutes to get back to the answering service if you're available or not So pull off the 405 find a payphone and put those quarters in you know We've had that roll the quarter remember the phone cards to yeah, we're phone cards yet sliding sometimes it works sometimes Yeah Fucking strange strange world we live in now.

1:56:08Yeah, I mean who would have ever thought that everyone would have a phone on them Everywhere you go. No, even kids and one of that you don't need the computer after a while Yeah, Peter's kind of an afterthought now. I just so you can see something but you can do it all on your phone Yeah, I used to always travel with a laptop. Yeah, like if I was going on the road I was and now all my notes are on my phone or I most I'll take an iPad. Yeah, it tops and it's just to read on I know so strange such a strange concept like you people like you know You just give people just through their phone. There's everything's happening I'm moving.

1:56:42Yeah, I don't know how she'd do it now to be that efficient Well, it definitely makes you more productive and more efficient. You can get a lot done Yeah, you know with the right motive it like you say with the right people it's it's a tool Right people it becomes a distraction. Yeah, but it's just most people do not have the kind of discipline It's required to like to manage the technology Yeah, yeah, and I get it and as it comes it gets strong like you know Maybe you have the discipline to avoid coffee. Do you have the discipline to avoid meth? Exactly Your your iPhone is liking it's brain right and it's also like if you're doing math You know you're fucking up, right?

1:57:21What if your doctor gives you a math, you know It's great like we're doing now like we say something he pulls it up It's good for research. It's good for sure like that But like it also can be that like don't you want to think about it a little bit? Like it doesn't always have to be a reference. It doesn't always have to be what's on YouTube right? YouTube has become the new encyclopedia botanica Oh, yeah, and you take it as real which is the scary part. Oh, that's the scary part You know what I mean? It's like I was on YouTube if you have gullible friends and they send you things like hey, man That's not real.

1:57:47Yeah Don't you need to like Google that thing and then debunked in fact Don't even do Google it go to duck duck go well like they're people are actually like Great story idea. Yeah, they'll Google it. Like they'll actually Google great story idea or great script or great action sequence Well, AI will do it for you now chat GPT will do that for you and this is just chat GPT4 You know what happens when they get to chat GPT 30 so again to all that it's like okay, so Let's think like if you're not inputting it right right you just asking it and you take that idea is that copyright? Right, you know, I mean that's where the right funky right because like you can You can be the programmer you're doing the copyright infringement But if I'm the one benefiting it by Google here like doing the AI thing right am I infringing?

1:58:38Very good question. I mean I mean it can code websites for you now like really quickly like instantaneously right they can do code flawlessly they can do so many different things so yeah, what does that do that industry? Yeah, oh It's gonna kill so many industries. I mean this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about with automation But I don't think he anticipated our AI and things like this why the creative aspect of business is a whole not a level yeah Yeah, it's weird visual graphic art in general right architectural design would be right yeah Exactly, I think really anything like that but coding especially it can do it instantaneous stuff It would take people months.

1:59:17I know months. What's the waiting time right and it's you know no need for creativity No need to be sitting alone board just trying to figure out ideas just trying to get those ideas to pop in your head I think that's you know they call it like zero to one learning right I hand you a blank piece of paper Give me a great idea. Mm -hmm. That's different than if I give you a shitty idea and I say okay Joe fix it right like that's one to 10 thinking Yeah, you can like I'm good at like someone gives me a shitty secret. I can make a better sequence Yeah, you know the zero to one is that that's what they really pay for to come up with the original cool idea That was a problem with joke thieves because joke thieves would go to open mic nights And they would watch amateurs but amateurs that had like a pretty good premise right just yeah, I didn't quite have yet oh I know I do that like so a professional would sit in the back of the open mic night and once the open oh, yeah It was a real issue really.

2:00:08Oh, yeah Yeah, well they've all been busted most of them and busted But how do you get busted on that you just comics? They just other comics and then now the YouTube people the YouTube people take bits of show that this is where it came from and you know some Pretty prominent people have been busted doing that really yeah because it's just It's too easy like if someone like I'm really good at like if a young comics says I got this idea it can't work I go tell me a bit and they'll tell me that so I'm fresh right like I'm looking at it completely from the outside But they already have structure so I go oh, okay cut that part out and put it in the front and say just set it up with Almost like the punch line and then your new punch line is this oh Layered it.

2:00:54Yeah, you just figure out a way, but I didn't have the idea. There's there the ideas of the hardest thing premises for stand -up comedy in particular there are some of the hardest things to acquire a good thing to talk about and There's things that everybody talks about like Biden falls down. Ha ha everybody talks about it. It's like simple It's easy. It's right there for everybody. So there's a lot of parallel thinking but then like weird premises Like someone who takes something that no one ever would have thought would be comedy and then turns that into a bit Well if that person's an amateur and someone's sitting in the back of the room They're kind of clunky with their way of doing it, but the person who's a pro season goes I can fix that and then they just steal it Yeah, that's the thing.

2:01:38Yeah, that's the thing. So when you ask AI to write jokes for you How do you know of AI? I's not stealing it from a blog right because AI is scouring the entire internet right so they could be getting it from all sorts of different people's intellectual property right you Yeah, that's true. I think even even more to that is Again, what the writers are saying about now is like you know, they're paid on their first pass They're paying passes you know pass the script pass script And they get paid less for a rewrite than they do an original idea I think what they're most concerned and I could have this wrong, but what I was told by a lot of my writer friends Is that you know a real concern is No one's trying to replace writers with with you know the old the finished draft Yes, and AI can carry out a shitty draft Yes, and then they can hire a human to do the second draft at like half price Yeah, like that's it.

2:02:32So like AI's pumping out the shitty first so they get you know, that's the thing So what's a human like you're saying? What's a human first draft? What's it? Yeah? What's a first draft? What's a second and then we're talking about a business that already has a bunch of shady practices? Oh, yeah, I mean everybody's copying everybody everybody stealing ideas everybody's doing But you know whether you're evolving the old ideas whether you're just straight out ripping them off whether they're inspiring you You're still you're still using off something right? Well, we're all influenced by everything that's been created before That's life right there.

2:03:00No, you can't stop of being influenced like of course. That's why you people watch That's why you get all your material. That's all you're my ratio. We just go watch we observe. Yeah Or we eat you know whatever there's a guy's to just do with and he was a screenwriter and He brought a screen he brought a screenplay he brought a fully Form script to a very prominent production company and They stole it they completely stole it and made a blockbuster film and he went to court with them in one and Got credited in the film, but it was a battle was a fucking battle and he had his a draft right there Oh, yeah, and he also had the papers He had all the documentation that show that he had Yes, but it's just dirty as fuck they just took it and they're like well, let him fucking sue us Yeah, and that's what he did because they're like nope fuck you.

2:03:52He's like fuck you. I met with you I gave you this idea and like fuck you like we're huge and you're some guy and you know Don't fucking cause trouble or you're never gonna work again. That's a horror story. It's scary But that is how common is that in I would call you again It's that fucking soft line because you're so inspired and everybody's everybody's like this wasn't inspired I think no I'm saying this was the star that he wrote it for one up starring in the movie. Yeah, okay That's probably how they got caught that was a two on the nose But like that's I think a lot of see you stay with existing IP.

2:04:25That's why you know comic books Yeah, you get a book like you're not gonna run to a battle. I am doing the book. There's no interpretation It's not like you said yeah, you and I didn't have this hey We got this idea for like this lizard guy and then we just right right right up in parallel thinking right right You have a little loop warmness there, but but for people like that like that have come up with a thing and had it stolen AI so scary well, I yeah again. That's that's a double -wammy And what if it can get into Google Docs? Right what if you're you uploaded to the cloud and so you've got all your shit sitting up there on the cloud?

2:04:59All your notes all your personal thoughts on your diaries all your Straps all of it. I guess that's the real thing people now like you know I have notebook and notebook. I'm sure you do too. I've like all your past ideas. I still have hard copies But a lot of people I know have all their you know like my production designer all designs that are yet to be experienced That's all uploaded. It's not all digital copies. Yeah shit. That's never made it out like I have like three or four ideas that haven't made it out yet That are fully flushed and like you know Somebody gets a hold of that you're like you can't argue with them because I haven't written a thing yet Right, you know, and they're like oh that was funny.

2:05:32We both had that space fantasy. Yeah Interesting right it's a weird world we live in in your world the world of creating these entertainment Properties these things like John Wick. It's like That that's a world where you're like more likely to get poached. I think so but again I'm gonna go yeah it does suck and we should at least start the talks about how to protect ourselves against that Or what it could be but at the same time like look if you're creative if you have good ideas you're gonna keep coming So to answer your earlier question. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a go again I'm working on this project called Highlander.

2:06:11We're gonna redo Highlander a little really yeah no shit I love Thailand. Hi, there's awesome. I'm super stoked to do something with that. We have ghost is Shishima on the plates The video based on the video game the samurai film Rainbow six those are the three Good Samurai The last hammer check if you can check it check out the game check out the game ghost is Shishima It's one of the best looking games out there, but it's got a great story. What is it about? Jinsa Kai in the Mongol invasion. Oh shit when the Mongols invaded Japan. Yeah, they had to stop in Shishima Island Japan's the only people that kept them out.

2:06:44Yeah, and it was samurai's with the only people that like defeated the Mongols But they stole them long enough for bad weather to sink them in the in the kamikaze the the typhoon that hit this is it Oh Incredible it's based on Kursawa's cinematography and stuff But look how good this looks holy shit them one every word out there for for for cinematography when was this made? This is just a few years ago We've been developing the script ever since which we have and we're working with Sony right now to bring this to Oh my god, this is gonna be incredible but a great storyline fantastic storyline wow This is amazing the graphics Yeah, oh Some of the best sword fight.

2:07:27Oh Jesus. It's basically the birth of the first Shinobi about how he asked it You know, well, I think less than a samurai but more than anything else to save his people. This is incredible Yeah, fantastic fantastic. Yeah, fantastic check it. I'm not a big game guy But I love the story so much as like I contacted Sony gun Sony PlayStation gun. We got to do this like we really have to do this Yeah, oh, that's a great idea for a film So between these guys and like what they got going on with rainbow six and Michael B Jordan I think one of those three will build a few worlds and have some fun. I'm sure yeah Well, listen and it was great talking to you great.

2:08:04Please you at Terrence and hopefully we'll see Super pumped that you put the 71 barracuda film I was awesome. It was awesome. I mean that could tell people that the fuck up. Oh my no, no, no That's the reason we listen to the fans. I appreciate it and I am a fan Thank you very much. I'm being very grateful to listen with the movie. No, thank you guys very much my pleasure. Thanks