#1997 - Cameron Hanes

53:15Yeah, she looked wonderful Isn't she she looks good looks healthy. She's happy. She looks great. She looks a bunch of weight Yeah, she's doing stand -up. Yes, loving it. Yeah, look at that. No right Something's going on with Madonna if that picture is accurate That is like what that is is like the same thing that leads to anorexia the same thing leads to bodybuilders to get just Massive and yeah, it's just more yeah, she's it happens to I think there's a certain percentage of people that get those fillers in their face that happens to you start like Fucking with the shape of your face And it looks crazy.

53:50I look crazy. I'm not a fan of the lip things Where all the girls lips look the same now? Yeah, I don't I don't I Know what the goal is because full lips was always kind of a cool thing I guess but Now they they look the same, but it also it doesn't match your nose So my brain is all thrown off like what's going on because you know that's a thing with like facial symmetry That's why you can tell when someone's out of nose job. It's like words. Yeah Like Right, like everything seems you know, it just seems things can seem a little off when you start like Making your lips bigger than everything else doesn't look right like your mind is going like what's missing something's something's missing here Yeah, I almost like so that's Like if you're a you've got thick face If you have like thick skin you like Italian lips and you know an Italian nose and big thick lips It looks like it belongs in your face.

54:51Yeah, but if you have like real thin skin and a narrow nose and this Yeah, well, I think things change too because it used to be like Tit jobs are cool now. I almost think natural tits are better This kind of a take in a side good for you Jamie. What do you think I like what you did there? Well, I support people's right to do whatever the fuck they want if they want to get boob jobs Get a boob job. I do think however People I don't necessarily think it's a hundred percent healthy for your body to have something in your body like that Mm -hmm, and I think There have been some people that have had some real issues with Yeah, haven't get them out.

55:40Well, it's like affects their health I believe cats and gano's talked about this, you know, because she she got hers taken out She's having real problems with them. I worry about fighters like taking a fucking kick right to the tit and having a pop I think these tits are fucking bionic now probably I think they just they get combat tits But I was thinking you know, it's like one of them laptops. It's in a suitcase. Oh, the rugged. Yeah Panasonic the yeah, the rubber the military has yeah, it's got a fucking latch You can look it. Yeah, well, robot it's if girls you already got a cut weight. Yeah How much are you adding on now you got to cut more weight?

56:18Yeah, you probably can tell you're adding several ounces Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever they're made out of I think they make them out I don't think they make them out of saline anymore. I think it's like a mushy thing that doesn't break You know because when they originally had them some people like silicone ones people were getting they were leaking every 100 cc of silicone 3 pounds yeah, wow, I mean that's you know that last pound for those fighters Found that's crazy So a typical one Apparel way 1 .38 pounds 1 .38 pounds a lot of weight to lose to cut when you're that's the worst wide raid in yourself Yeah, that means you're gonna lose something else, you know, like Your your profile hand that depends on maybe you're cutting the way easy.

57:04Yeah, it depends on the person I guess because some people are cutting the way easy Really? Yeah, some people yeah, some people are being you know like There's people that cut a shitload of weight You know and but some people are being pretty smart about it. They really get down to about five pounds What is Colby cut? He doesn't cut much. No, he's probably 85 He's one of the best at that. I think 85 to 70 is really good because that's not that hard for an athlete like that with all that muscle You could drive that out pretty easy But one fucking Alex Paheda guys when you're you're talking about weighing it 185 and then walking around at 230 or 220 Colby -Covid team claims he lost over one stone in just a day to be back up for UFC 286 opponent But didn't even fight yeah So one stone is 13 pounds One stone is 18 Over one stone so over one stone 18 pounds a day.

58:08He's a company man. Yeah, well he's right there, you know, it's it's him and You got Balal Mahamed, you know, you've got a lot of hums on At 170 he's the mother fucker, right? But it's like can you be assured that he's going to make 170 or Here's another possibility did the athletic commission fuck him Did they pull him out when he could have made it because they decided he looked bad and he's like yeah, I look bad That I always miss weight by nine exactly eight pounds. Yeah, right? That was New York right and I they they have done things in the past that show to me that they're a little more stringent on their enforcing of certain rules and you know They'll stop fights when maybe another commission wouldn't they won't allow fights to happen if other commissions would you know Like they're very cautious.

59:00So maybe that had something to do with it You know that they pulled him because they did make the decision to tell him to stop cutting away. He's a he's big He's fucking huge. I remember we saw him backstage at Florida, I think and he's just like giant, but the thing is 85 now you go from let's just that's a big gap right But I want you to think about it this way. Okay think about Colby the size of Colby and then I want you to think that if the next one up from Colby is Alex Paheda That's a big man. That's a so when you're talking about Hamza if Hamza and Colby fight that's a fascinating fight.

59:43Yeah, but if Hamza fights someone like Paulo Costa right Now you're dealing with a totally different size human different or a YoL Romero, right? It's a totally different size human so cool. So yeah Colby so it's big as Hamza it is Like if he can make that 170 and I don't know that he couldn't have made it You know the thing is like if they can say you look too sick you look like shit But everybody looks like that if they check in on you if you're gonna cut a big big weight cut But if they know how to do it they do it and I don't think he missed weight any other time Google that final if that's correct because I do not believe you miss weight I know he fought Gerald Meershart at 180 pound 185 pounds and he knocked him out in one round He fought Kevin Holland at a catchweight of 180 and the other fights.

1:00:31I believe he made 170 Maybe I had one other fight 185. I think maybe it was his first fight in UFC might have been 185 But what oh he thought that Who is that remember he was talking to Dana? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, what weight was that? That was 170 okay, that was the leech leechingly on yeah, that was that was wild that was I mean You want to talk about like levels above when someone can carry you over to the boss and then fuck you up talking and talking shit I kill everyone yeah, I kill everyone though But you're not gonna do that to Paul Costa. That's my point right like you're talking about a totally different size human being I get it.

1:01:10Yeah, totally different thing. It's like that gap is too big in my opinion I think there's 10 pounds I think it should be 75 85 yeah all the way well 65 yeah 75 85 65. Yeah, it totally makes sense Yeah, and if you did that I think you'd have like more reasonable choices that guys would make in terms of cutting weight or in terms of You know going up but ultimately I really strongly believe that for the health of the fighters and just for the just Just to really solidify what the sport has the potential to be People should fight it their actual weight. Yeah, they're actual weight That's what I was gonna say so if Haas, Haas, Ma can cut all the way down and Colby is more natural Is is there an advantage this episode is brought to you by zippercruder the hiring process is stressful There are so many different things to consider and on top of it all you need to get it done quickly It's like when you're trying to find a decent contractor for home renovation project or even a new primary care doctor You don't want just anyone you probably want a person who knows their shit and will take your concerns seriously but also Need to find them like yesterday if you're an employer struggling to find that perfect fit I've got one word for you Zippercruder they work fast to find you great talent Try it for free at zippercruder .com slash rogan.

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1:04:44Well, it's it's questionable right because we've never seen him fade He's got incredible endurance because he fought that fight with Gilbert and Three rounds. Yeah, but it was a fucking war. It was that was a wild Slaubernocker He did he did but Gilbert is a fucking savage though. I was disappointed You know he took that short notice fight the last one we fucked up a shoulder hurt So it's like early in the flight. He's such a dog. He wants to compete I felt I almost feel like they should stop the fight I think when the fighter literally can't use his arm like that and you're fighting a guy who's dangerous as ballall Like you're gonna take shots.

1:05:24You shouldn't take you're gonna You know you go you run the real risk getting extra hurt And you could hurt that arm even further to the point where it's not Repairable through surgery like you got a I think at a certain point time if you literally can't use your arm Pro punches you probably shouldn't be fighting and it's a hard pill That was hard to watch but you're probably gonna lose anyway because it was so diminished It was hard to watch it's a hard for him to move you can see like his movement was compromised too Whatever was fucked up with his shoulder. He couldn't do anything with that left arm Yeah, and hopefully he gets surgery on or whatever rehabs it or gets stem cells and fixes it but you know It's that weird thing where maybe he could still win Maybe he could land the head kick maybe he could take him down and get him in a triangle or something like that You never know But when it's that bad of an injury There's not it's not a bad thing to call it.

1:06:13I think he landed like late in that fight He landed a pretty good shot if I remember right? He probably like in agony while he's doing probably you know what's your prediction on Leon Colby? That's a great fight. That's a great fight Leon is so God do I mean tell me tell me Yeah, well yours friend Listen Leon so dangerous. Yeah, and the fact that Camaro couldn't take him down in the last fight That was a big deal. Yeah, but you know, okay, so how about this? So Camaro gets KO'd mm -hmm that Obviously gives Leon confidence, but for sure also No matter who wants to admit it that has to affect the confidence of Camaro Because you're human being right human being right so it's like that is such a crazy trend I mean that one moment the fight was pretty much over that one shot Change a trajectory of everything.

1:07:06Yep, it changed the way Camaro fought in the second fight It was a little bit more cautious and Leon was at home. He had more confidence. Yeah, he just like I don't know I don't know I just was thinking that one kid. I mean Changes everything. Well, that's a guy like Leon like you can never I mean that was a fifth round that he landed that Wasn't it late? It was late in the fifth round I believe there was only like a minute left to go in the fight or something crazy like that The thing about Leon is you can never sleep you can he's so sharp his striking like he's one of the most Impressive guys have ever seen hit the pads.

1:07:41Yeah, but the pressure of Colby come on now. Yeah, no, it's it's an incredible pressure But we'll see what happens we'll see what happens because it's on the cardio of Colby's off the charts Leon did do better than I thought he would at combating the wrestling to take downs So he has improved there. Yeah, so we'll see how Colby can mix that up compared to Camaro Because Camaro is good at that also. Yes, but as Colby does he have more to offer in terms of pressure and cardio? Well Colby puts a lot of volume on you he comes at you like fast He'll wait in. Yeah, we'll take a shock. It's right in.

1:08:16Yeah, he waits right in and he puts you in a dog fight And when you're a dog fight, he's more likely to get a take down You know, it's it's very smart. It also he's pushing he's pushing you at a very extreme pace right away He's letting you know right away from the beginning of the fight. I'm coming after you and it gets he's he has some wild Fucking fights because that you know like the kind of heat that he puts on people Yeah, I'm really I'm excited for I mean I want that belt back to Oregon so bad I obviously not near as bad as Colby does, but yeah He texted the other day and said he's gonna come and train next month, so Getting ready for that fight.

1:08:53It would have been interesting if Jorge Mazvedal When he fought Gilbert, which was Gilbert's fight before that Mm -hmm if he didn't take that fight I wonder if they would have given him a title shot if Leon can beat Colby Because that was the one fight when they had that backstage Yeah, the three -piece in a soda. Yeah, I know that had the storyline and that's you know Jorge was angling for that for the payday obviously and it just didn't make sense because Jorge had lost well Jorge's He's kind of openly said that he just doesn't Doesn't feel as good fire just doesn't he doesn't have it and he does it's not he's still a very Capable world -class fighter, but it doesn't feel like he's at his best, you know It's these what 37 or something like that.

1:09:43Yeah, I know I can't easy 38. How old is I know He's Jorge Mazvedal since the fucking back dude backyard dude. I mean I've been doing it forever the biggest OG ever 38. Yeah, when you're a natural athlete. That's kind of the end of the line and combat sports it gets to get gets close if you're a natural athlete Yeah, you know, it's so hard except guys like you well, you know You have these guys that are just freaks you don't understand that just whatever freak of genetics and nature and You know obviously trains hard to but it's like there's some guys that can be really I mean he's elite Yo -L is like what 44 45 and now he's in Bellator.

1:10:24Yeah, he's elite. He's still elite like everyone's scared his last fight He won I believe I'm sure he won 46 46 46 I love 46 years old and fucking ragdolling people and still built like a Greek god I love I love training with the fighters just because I'm a you know Big fan obviously, but that their mentality is like my my goal to train with people is I know sculpted is this is last fight? Yeah, this is last fight. Oh, that's oh, we fought Melvin Manhoof. Oh interesting. Wow Melvin is he's old too. Oh my god. We were just watching highlights of him the other day Melvin is quite a bit smaller. Yeah, but he's been how old is he Jamie?

1:11:10Oh, he's been Melvin in fight years is Fairly old I mean in terms of my yeah, it's got a lot of miles on that Imagine having yo -L on top of you like this. He's crushing your fucking neck miserable He's so good at wrestling. Look at these elbows people don't understand how good yo -L is yeah, I mean he was they seem stand up all the time He likes to stand it seems like oh he likes it because it doesn't take as much energy and he's so fast I mean that the the knee that he knocked out Chris wide been with holy fucking shit that was scary. Yeah He's so good dude and he's so dangerously strong. Oh like yeah, I mean I know we've heard that a million times about how the doctor saying he's like his bones or the doctor said his tendons and the eyes were three times Right.

1:11:56Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little human right with the fuck. He's just I this Gah, that's terrible. Oh, man. I feel bad. Oh my yeah, not good Yeah, and from Elvin Melvin has been knocked out a lot. Oh, there's a lot of videos Joe Shelling knocked him out There's a there's a crazy video of Robbie Law are knocking him out and strike force the cr - the Robbie Lawler ones amazing Because Robbie is getting fucked up in that fight. Oh look at this home Bowies out and stop that get some in the neck with and then Get someone another one. Yeah, so well we're now, but see pull up a Robbie Lawler versus Melvin Mounthoaf So this was when Melvin was at his prime.

1:12:44Oh, he needs to be a monster of them a monster He's one of the best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA and one of the most explosive kickboxers of all time I mean he was so good and so dangerous and This is after he had already fought and pride This is after you know he had had some crazy fights over seasoned Japan.

1:13:06Oh See he's teeing off on Robbie Those body shots must be terrible Oh look at this look how hard he's getting kicked in this last man. I mean he's just getting lit up Yeah, so it looks terrible for him, right? It does yeah, cuz you're thinking, you know my god Robbie This is one of the best strikers in the world and he's chewing your legs up I mean every time he's kicking his leg. It's like holy fuck. It's like he's doing the splits. Oh god that Look at this. Oh, that was it that right hand look at that. Oh look at his eyes. Yeah Look at that. Oh my god. That looks terrible. That's the shadow realm that looks terrible What was this a big right man?

1:13:52Oh right on the chin? God Yeah, Robbie bro, look at that right hand. That is crazy. Yeah, that's one of the greatest come from behind knockouts of all time Yeah, I know he's like of course that his legs got destroyed if you could even imagine how hard that guy can kick Yeah, that's the the leg kicks these days Are just ridiculous. Yeah, I mean it's it's so effective. Yeah, it's so it's you compromise all your movement It's so painful so much respect for the fighters because they can't show yeah, I mean they got to walk it off you know, but you know I Mean they're a poker face. Mm -hmm and how bad that must hurt and they're just like nothing nothing so impressive The most impressive display of that I ever saw was Eric Anders versus Khalil round tree Khalil round she was just smashing his when he went trained with Muay Thai right and went over Thailand Yeah, yeah, does that that front leg was like rural light.

1:14:56Yeah Thai style just oh my god. That was a brutal Yeah, but round tree came back like a different person. Yeah, it was wild to see because he was always a good striker Yeah, tough guy and explosive. Yeah, but he came back like oh my god his kicks like what the fuck man me and DC You know how many fights we comment together? I don't know for a shit pile It's rarely that we're looking at each other going wow Like what the hell man like what changed in this guy. Yeah, this is just in practicing I've always been a fan really want to see him in that fight. I always been a fan of Khalil cut see if you can find Khalil versus Eric Anders I remember yeah, I remember this yeah, it was a crazy fight man It showed you how fucking tough anders is he's so tough but these because Khalil is just lighting him up And He's he's moving so well that must be so frustrating because They don't want to switch stances, but if their leg is getting brutalized.

1:15:59They got to switch Yeah, it's not there's not a lot of good options. No, and then their power's gone elite world -class wrestler Like you don't think you can take this guy down You got to try to commit and as you commit you're running into a bus saw Because he's such a good counter -strike or two and obviously coming into this fight Obviously like everybody watch this fight and said oh my god. He's on another level Yeah, and occasionally you see that from fighters like Charles Oliver as a great example of that something happened in his career Yeah, it snapped and then all of a sudden he was on another level right and when most people watch Khalil before Everyone knew he was very good, but you watch him after this and like well this guy is like This is world -class.

1:16:41This is like top of the food chain striking and if he can keep getting better the way he got better for this fight That's like world championship caliber fighting the inside of that quad there Yeah, right leg or boat inside and out looks like I think for Khalil and a lot of these guys It's very hard to maintain the kind of focus that requires you to fight at this elite level every time What hurts worse in or out they both suck? Mm -hmm. They both suck. They both suck the calf. I've never been kiffed kicked in the calf But everybody that I know that has says it's the worst Michael Biss being went his entire UFC career One the world title never got kicked in the calf Lucky lucky for him that wasn't a thing because that was amazing.

1:17:24Yeah, that's how it wasn't even it became like one of the most dangerous weapons So it's like now it's like the almost the fight hinges almost on how many calf kicks can you land before whatever When you watch the second paheda Otasani fight in the UFC the second one he was getting to his calf again and Yeah, I know god damn it. He's getting me again. Yeah, like he's so good at hiding it. Yeah, he's better than anybody ever And he knew it was coming. Yes, he had he knew from that from the first time, but he was better at it this time Yeah, but paheda doesn't he doesn't switch the hips He stands he stands like this.

1:18:06He's got this like weird way of standing where he's almost kind of Squared to you and when he kicks he just throws the leg. Yeah, so the shoulders don't swing. Oh, it's none of this stuff It's just thump Thump so even if you know it's coming it's not as hard as he can hit you But it doesn't matter. It's as quick as he can hit you and as sneakily as he can hit you right and he's hitting that same spot Again and again and again and if your daughter hits you there at sucks. Yeah. Yeah I had I had to stop letting my 13 year old thigh kick Is hurting because it started to hurt so it's really hurting and that was like the fun thing for them That they could full power moitime in the legs and she did she kick his heart as round tree Dude, I wouldn't be walking.

1:18:47I can't take one of those. I know it's a horrible What I did like to see was especially a full blast one with style bender was You know, they showed after he knocked him out. They showed his training where he was mimicking that same exact Yeah, yeah, yeah, same position where same ropedope on the cage ropedope and then he slowed out. It's like yeah incredible Well, he knew that paheda opens up when I think he's got you heard it drops his hands Well, he fights with his hands down. It's a very unusual style But it's also very very effective. Oh, this is it. Let's let's see here. Yeah. Oh, yeah, look at it right there That's it right there.

1:19:24Oh my god. Yeah, this one purf this one for sure right here. See he let himself get hit with the right Yeah Because even in that training he let himself get hit with that right. Yeah Well, he takes a great shot. I mean he got knocked out by paheda in the kickboxing match God damn if that guy hits you that hard in that it was it was like the worlds were colliding as he landed the left hook like sometimes you land a shot and the guys moving in the direction of it It takes a little bit like if you ever had anybody hit holdpads for you and hip pads Well, when they hold pads for you they kind of meet your your punch.

1:20:01Oh, I see it makes your punch seem harder. Yeah That makes sense. If you work with a guy who doesn't do that right you have to actually hit it You realize the difference. Well, that's the difference when you moving your face right so you're coming into it. They're punching Yeah, it's crazy and that can happen it happens with guys all the time And you see the opposite too when they go with the punch and it looks like it's gonna be hard But they're okay because they rolled with it exactly exactly Kelvin Gasoline is very good at that There's a lot of guys that are very good at like turning. Is he's good at that?

1:20:31Really is he's really good at that just turning like as the punches hitting you turning your head going with it Whitaker is good at good at that too. That's gonna be an interesting fight. Whitaker is He's fighting Yeah, I saw dammit why am I brain freezing here? I saw this a great fight. Oh, Dreckus Dreckus duplicy right that's great fight That's an interesting fight because apparently Dreckus and Izzy don't like each other Because uh, not real after I'm the real after him. You know, I'm saying I want to fucking tone that down so weird it's kind of a history a part of I don't I know I I can't get on board with that.

1:21:11It's stupid But it's also gets attention. Yeah, and he gets the guy mad at you and then the guy wants to fuck you out or get him Get him rattled now. I get it. Well, it makes it interesting to me like in terms of like the choice of having Whitaker and Dreckus duplicy fight is that Oh Whitaker Came really close to beating Izzy in that last fight. Yeah, I mean, it was a very close fight The first fight Izzy storm steam rolled him right Izzy catches him knocks him out Then also and Whitaker just keeps getting better and better and better and then gets a shot at the title again And has an amazing fight like down the wire.

1:21:47I believe it was a split decision Um, is that correct? Find out if that was a split decision, but it was a very good fight I just like Rob's take on things. He's so articulate and well thought out. He's an animal too Yeah, I mean, he's all the above yeah He's and he's one of my favorite fighters also besides style vendor. Yeah, but he's so good almost like Hate that they don't like each other. I love both of them. They're so great. It was the style vendor Whitaker fight. Yeah They had two now the second one. Yeah, two Yeah, the first one he knocked him out and then the second one unanimous. Well, you know, okay Yeah, very good fight though But the point is it's like if they get a fight again, I'm in I want to see that fight But I feel like why not just give him that fight Like why making him fight Drakis and if you are making a fight Drakis if he beats Drakis Then Drakis has to build himself back up to get to a place where you get this big money fight with Izzy Yeah, like wouldn't it be smarter?

1:22:44I'm not the big fan of Drakis. Oh really? I don't think he's near as good as with at the top of the heap It emits that he admits fighting Robert Whitaker not the smart move explains why accepted the UFC 290 fight So why is he accepting it? What is he saying? I think he's a notch ball I think those guys are just a little bit better a lot of people are saying it's not the smartest move to fight Whitaker and a hundred percent I agree with that I agree it's I like this dude. Yeah, I agree. It's not the smart move But I'm not here to be smart otherwise I would have stayed in school and finished my studies gone to work at a bank Where a suit to work every day and do some corporate life But that's not the life I chose I chose to be a warrior to be an entertainer And at the end of the day, I'm a fighter and that's what I do.

1:23:31I fight. Okay. Well, I like that a little better I like that dude. Yeah, I like that. I know he talked a lot of shit But you know listen people talk shit about people in other towns if you actually lived in Africa Yeah, some dudes in New Zealand. Yeah, you need to be like hey, I'm the real African. Yeah Okay, I want to deserve my title shot. I don't want to be handled title shot I'm going to deserve that belt and that's why I wanted that Whitaker fight. All right Well, I can respect that you know, I still like Whitaker better Well, I like both of them, but you know that say Find out fight. We'll find out you know Yeah, because Whitaker is gonna test that guy Whitaker is a motherfucker dude god He is so good and he's not the guy that couldn't he's a good move to 85 right because at 170 it was just too much He was just cutting too much weight and at 185 comes world champion I'm one of my favorite things and I don't know why is be cut is watching fighter reactions to them watching fights You know like like he has When stopender beat Alex like they show Whitaker Whitaker's reaction and I just love that that moment because they're in same job.

1:24:39Yeah, same whatever And so their reaction is so authentic, you know, Connor watch could be they had on there Robert Whitaker cheer when is real one Uh, no, he's just pretty measured, but he's just like I don't know. I just I don't know. It's like I just like it I'm not really like the old von washington people eat dinner like that Please say interviews on cocaine If well, who do you think he would want to fight more who between who Robert Whitaker who would you want to fight more Would you want to fight like if you were like him before the fight who would you be rooting for I would it's I would imagine He'd be rooting for out of Sonya because that's the big money fight for him Yeah, I in their one -in -one.

1:25:20Yeah, or no, no, they're too. No, right? So stop intervening twice, right? Yes Yes, or he might think that style bender had a good time in the first fight with the heda on the ground Yeah, Whitaker's Whitaker's a very good wrestler very good on the ground very strong grappler I think he'd want style bender just because of that That locate you know, they're both the same part of the world. Mm -hmm. Well, it could be that But it also could be you know, he thinks he's got a good shot. Yeah, at beating paheda Yeah, I mean you probably does that way he probably does I mean I mean because the other thing is if he beat is he twice in a row There wouldn't be a third match So Whitaker would automatically kind of be a shoe in for the next title shot wouldn't you imagine?

1:26:04Well, yeah, and and don't you think that people are like the critics would say Alex hasn't taken on a wrestler a good wrestler Oh, yeah, that's a style bender thing, but that's Whitaker's thing Yeah, it's not Whitaker's whole thing is there a lot of sign you confident Robert Whitaker beats Dreckas duplicy at UFC 290 open the trilogy about well It will be a great fight because I mean is he just had his fucking number in that first one That was like a poem is he performance? I think a lot of these like wrestles wrestling strong fighters want pahera look at Is he said he said I tried to do Dreckas duplicy in the fucking Death Star the allegiance stadium in Las Vegas Hadassani said I tried maybe not international fight week because it was already booked, but I tried it later on I was like fuck it.

1:26:51Give him to me. I'm already it's already there. What's the point? Why wait? Yeah? Yeah, I like that too, too I think you'd fuck him on maybe But when you want to watch Of course I want to watch these upset. I'm I want if is he is mad at somebody is he's fired up I want to be there for that. Yeah, I want to see that. I love it all. I love it all. I want to see it That's what I'd say my my dream people to train with with I did Chandler, but Colby's a tough, but I want the wolf I want the world. Yeah, I get everywhere. Yeah, I want him to come do lift run shoot and I want him to get a dietician Well, and then I also want Connor because I want Connor to stop partying and fucking get serious.

1:27:37Well It's hard because Why do you become famous in the first place? Why do you become successful in the first place? So you can live like a fucking Baller. Yeah, but that's what Connor's doing, but you can do that. You're old. You got up to the fucking formula one Yeah, so he's watching the formula one wise eating bread. I know the back of his yard. It looks great but fuck it does but I mean you got a chill out of money. You don't do that. I'm a different person. Think Conno McCracker I know, but I have different motivations But he he's in his I'm not quite in his prime. Maybe a little older, but he's got so much talent so much ability You can party and be a fucking madman Or you can be jacked in your yacht, which is what you want.

1:28:24Yeah, but when you're when you're 40 and you got no other choice Do it then well, um, but you can do it now and that's what he wants to do The problem is this is like the problem is it's like I'm sick of seeing pictures of him partying. Yeah I'm sick of it. I want to see him in the in the gym. I want him to do what he wants to do And if Conno McCracker wants to fucking buy diamonds and lay around on the sun. I'm all there I want the guy earned every fucking penny. He got. I'm happy for him. I'm happy. I salute him. Come carry that fucking rock up He'll do that. I want to do. Oh, that would be an awesome show.

1:28:59What yeah, it'd be fun. Mm -hmm You and him on Mount Pigs go Pisco. Yeah, you know that you know what that's what these are called see that. Oh nice That's it. It's a GS PGH. Oh nice. You didn't know that no, I didn't know that and then that well I just saw these in the flesh today for the first time What's that That's me on the monument. Ooh you want that little thing that you hop on yeah nice That is sick, but you like to have your own chill. We've got a bunch of own shoes now when you were under armor You did but this one I'm not saying I'm like Michael Jordan Actually cute to killed two elk wearing your shoes.

1:29:40You did two different occasions I killed elk wearing those under armor camins trail shoes. Yeah, those But I like those shoes too. Well they're great. They were great for For bow hunting because they were you could you could you had a little bit of traction to them and you could feel the ground Real lightweight if you're sneaking up on stuff So you can song as you're not like in real hazardous terrain. You can get away with like a good trail running shoe Oh, yeah, yeah, no for sure if it's a you've done you that ankle support What do you wear now for for your hunting boot? Last year I wore Solomon.

1:30:11Mmm. It's always a great. Yeah, those are great Yeah, and the I mean the under armor boots I killed a lot wearing those but those are real lightweight too. Yeah, it was like You know, I had not working with them anymore So I'm like well, I'm just try a bunch and that's why I tried out a bunch of different running shoes also to try to make Okay, I kind of had to use under armor and they they did what I wanted They made the good shoe like that you killed bulls in I ran a lot of miles in those But then once I didn't renew with them. I'm like well, let me just see what's out there and see what the best is So I tried Solomon and boots and then ran and about everything else and ended up on these speedlands And it speed land a company that just specializes in running is it just running sneakers?

1:30:54Yeah, it's just trail running Just trail running. Yeah, just trail running nice Yeah, so they my worried beef you tried to hunt with those They're pretty bright the elk would look at you too and go so I'm fucking blood in this Yeah, what's the decision to have blood splattered on it? Well, and is it the same splatter on every shoe? Yeah, no, it's the same splatter. It's kind of cool feels like different on everyone My Too much work my thought is blood to me is a symbol of sacrifice Sometimes you got a bleed to achieve your goals. So that's what it means to me. Oh, oh And those guys Those are the owners of the company.

1:31:33It's an Oregon company. They both used to they've worked at Nike Puma under armor And so speedland is their brainchild and then me being local they're willing to work with me and do whatever I wanted and You know a lot of the the running companies are pretty liberal so me being a bow hunter. Oh Yeah, even though I have influence in the running community They're not willing to put themselves out there. But you need to make these in origin camo I'm so we're coming out with a winter version. That's black Oh What about origin camo we could do that we need to get that we can do whatever that needs to be done Don't don't you think then you can totally hunt with this yeah, it seems like it's got a good grip on the bottom Oh, no, it's great.

1:32:20I mean that that bottom is is so I just ran I ran an ultra My brother wanted I got second, but it was super muddy and that The traction on him is perfect because it doesn't the mud doesn't stick to the sole But it still gives you grip. So that's always the there's a trade -off You don't want the lug so close where it's holding the mud. I started wearing these really light crispies I like them a lot It's like heavier than that, but lighter than it's a trail runner. No, a hunting boot. Yeah, yeah, I'll do a lot Yeah, those those have a good reputation. I haven't tried those super solid. Yeah I liked it a lot It's like but having the proper footwear as a runner Has to be like when you think about the amount of miles that you run Like you run an insane amount of miles like on a regular week.

1:33:07Would you run when you're not prepping for like some ultra marathon? I mean, I don't usually don't even track up, but it'd be for sure a hundred miles a week That's that's a lot 14 miles a day. Yeah, that's a lot average But that's where the those that sole is could I mean my body Because even though I'm much younger than you I am old Damn, but my sucks for me This has got a good to yeah, so so point is is that my body doesn't take a beating with all the miles I put right gives you a little panic and then the bow, you know Of course the bow is nice because there's your foot swells Sometimes in longer races your foot swells And so you can back those bow is the old ones you just have to release all the way those you can back Like one click back.

1:33:54Oh, okay, and it doesn't you don't start all the way back over So if your foot gets a little tight because it's swelling you can just go click click But I like bows. Oh there's just the game chain races And those chords I was always worried those chords gonna break Yeah, I've never had one. I've never had one break either I kind of stopped worrying about it after a while But in the beginning I crank them down just waiting for it You know testing it. I just want to say testing it like you did your back. Yeah I think I felt that but let me make sure Yeah, this is a good wake up call for me though very very good wake up call I was getting a little too Lack of days of goal about my choices Just and not I don't think I warmed up enough honestly either because I'm doing a lot of my workouts after the cold plunge And I think what I should incorporate now is probably Like a good bike ride like a good Assault bike ride to really fucking get a good sweat going before I do anything else Because I just been going lightly like doing body weight squats and pushups and get my body warmed up And then I started doing a bunch of leg stuff and then I did the deadlifts And it's not a bad injury like I have I have full range of motion.

1:35:05Yeah, I can buck the but it's You're shooting the bow. Yeah, today looked fine But my muscle on my back is just a little annoyed with that But that's where that fucking hyper ice hammer. Yeah, it's been helping me. Yeah, this fucker. Yep These things are game changers. This is the hyper volt plus these are game changers that and CBD cream I got some really good CBD MD recovery CBD What what what CBD MD? It's called recovery. It's one of one of their many different Muscle bombs that they have right if you're used that stuff I use scented cruise medicinal. Yeah, and so it's like I had put it on today Just on my legs and on my arm just because it's like when I'm tight from training.

1:35:48Mm -hmm It just helps. It's really alleviates inflammation somehow or another it helps it feels good Those are your pores and does that I mean even the smell of the aroma I like oh I like it Yeah, I like taking it to it's nice. Uh, when you take it like relieves anxiety like some some I was um When I first started when CBD MD became a sponsor a long time ago they sent me a bunch and I started taking their gummies every day And I was like wow, I feel so good. Mm -hmm. I was like I feel like and I was just CBD. Oh, yeah Not THC no just CBD and then I started taking the drops And you know the drops the oil you can get it like you know really effectively into your system You just drop it under your tongue and it's um it just it it I mean, I think results may vary.

1:36:31Yeah, but for me it works great. I'm a big fan. That's the thing I'm I try so much different stuff and I don't really know what Works specifically, but I know I feel good. Dave Foley told me that it cured his Arthritis in his hands. Mm -hmm. He had his hands. He said he couldn't straighten him out Started taking CBD and it just all went away He goes now I have full range of function in my hands, which is amazing. That is that's amazing because usually that stuff goes downhill from there Yeah, you know arthritis is a scary one man Yeah, no that's yeah, that I know young people who have it. I mean, there's a comic named Sean Rouse is hilarious hilarious comic and yet horrible arthritis.

1:37:09It was horrible He could barely move. It was really bad any drank a lot That was fuck that doesn't matter though. He was so funny that inflammation is a is it really? I mean it Yeah, it makes everything worse. Oh, it's horrible And from out the alcohol is just exacerbating the symptoms, but it's hard fucking carbs, dude Yeah, yeah, a lot of people that's Jordan Peterson's daughter Michaela She has really bad arthritis and she got in the carnivore diet and basically like stopped in his tracks When I went I did that kind of a keto thing. I was trying to get Fueled up with just like fat adapted. So no carbs is to all protein fruits type thing my joints Have never felt better.

1:37:52I mean, I would come downstairs in the morning I've like you know like a freaking 14 year old just like Bouncing around ahead and felt that good and whatever but is the carbs because that inflammation I know it's crazy to think but I think that's true. I got I've been doing the carnivore diet now Pretty disciplined except last night I had a couple of corn chips because I was reading My my family got Mexican food and I was just eating the steak like some carne asada Yeah, there's some corn chips there and I fucking cheated like five or six corn chips. I don't tell But other than that. It's mostly just meat and eggs It's mostly been all I've been eating and I've had a few pieces of fruit along the way but I feel great.

1:38:34I lost five pounds six pounds somewhere around then what what are you 195 one 96 right now? Yeah Yeah, yeah, 195 one 96. I feel fucking great. Yeah, I feel great Your energy levels. This is what's what what Fascinated me about it the first time I did it. I felt like my energy level was stable through the whole day Which it kind of never is like after a podcast sometimes I'm just like yeah, you know Because you don't think about it as being difficult But like say if I'm talking to someone that's talking to me about like some really heavy shit, you know some You know Some quantum physics or something like some Michoacaco type dude, you know like the whole time I'm just trying to keep up with this dude.

1:39:15It's like running up the mountain with you I could run a marathon wait easier than I can sit into a podcast like at my podcast I'm like so stressed out from like I can keep this conversation going Okay, I'm listening what they're saying but I got to think of the next question. I'm gonna ask you eventually get to the point We don't think about that. It's just a reps thing the worst shooting your bow The worst is a smart people like Chris Williamson right that dude's crazy smart Yeah, and I'm like God what what am I gonna? So I was exhausted after that one you never see that dude say um He's and he's like his memories like oh my friendable Alex Hermosi or yeah, I mean It just rattles off this quote and ties it in perfectly.

1:39:55I'm like god. I suck fastening guy and one of the best guys to sort of emerge From this new group of people that are interviewing people and talking to people on YouTube. Yeah, one of the best I I'm one of my favorites. I asked him. I said so what exactly is an intellectual? Yeah, that's good question. Yeah, he was a club promoter. I know. I know. Yeah, so it's like I just know if it was intellectual It'd be the opposite of me would be a good definition, but you know like I think Classical education has its point. It has its merits and it has its place But there's some people that have done some insane things by bypassing the normal system right one of them is James Cameron Do you know I was reading this thing yesterday about James Cameron?

1:40:36You know the James Cameron didn't go to film school James Cameron used to go to the library and He would like take people's dissertations and he would photocopy them and he would just absorb All their information about filmmaking all the all the interviews all he essentially said he got a a doctorates degree In for like 1200 bucks. Yeah, like photocopying things and studying things well, which is kind of crazy because James Cameron is like Is he the Highest selling producer of all time might be he's out there Steven Spielberg with the Titanic Avatar yeah Aliens right. I mean you How many fucking movies has that guy made that are just blockbusters and I think that he Learned how to do it final.

1:41:24That's true. He's number two right behind Spielberg. Right number two behind Spielberg And you know have you ever seen that Tanner has a t -shirt and it says great artist steel Oh, that's interesting And so these guys so whatever he was influenced by he'd go to the library. He'd more he'd see things The reason why I thought of that is when you were saying that Branland shocky told me he like watches uh Who is the director? Um, he's done some God I can't think of right now, but anyway, he tries to mimic that style who he's who he's watched and this is the guy to film or does he do Documentaries?

1:41:59No, no, he's like a movie maker a movie maker, but it's not one of her's dog No, it was a Brad Pitt's been in one of his movies. I know that not Tarantino. No Um, no, I okay, but anyway point is you remember it Who guy Richie? Yes guy Richie. Oh, so Richie's the fucking man guy Richie was one of Branland's biggest inspiration He would sit in this little apartment and watch this and then try to when he's doing Jim shocky hunting adventures Thanks he would try to mimic stuff like that then like when he filmed, you know The grizzly hunt that we did he just was like using all these different influences and it was just mimicking the styles Yeah, and it's like so that reminds you got a mimic right so What does the Classical schooling do when you can just watch this and try to mimic it and then try to use your Inspiration or influence on on whatever you're creating maybe that's a ticket Well, I think both of them are tickets honestly, you know, I think uh Classical schooling teaches you all the technical details all all the stuff that you You mean you can learn it other places as well But it puts you in a place where you're learning it and you're actually in a course Yeah, and there's a real value for some people for that kind of structure And I think not everybody's as motivated as James Cameron right and sometimes people they can't carve their own path They can't figure out a way to make it like how do it like you got to find like that's You got to find places that like there's a there's a light at the end of this tunnel Like to try to carve your own Tunnels like oh, yeah, that's too much work But you've so you've been influenced by comics oh, yeah, right sure So you've implemented that strategy a little bit you'd see somebody you think it's funny you'd like their style Then you put your twist on it.

1:43:47Well, what happens is first of all there's there's one thing that happens when you're around people that are really good Is that you have to bring your material up to their level right because iron really sharpens iron It's one of the things that I really like about this scene that we're developing here in Austin There's so many good comics here on a regular basis on a regular basis You're gonna see Brian Simpson Shane Gillis best of the best Tony Hinchcliffe you're gonna see Fucking Mark Norman Ari Shafir you're gonna see Joey Diaz you're gonna see these people that are coming through that It's been fucking wild, but the young guys need that and the young girls and the young non -binary people They all need it everybody needs it everybody who's watching that needs that yeah because you need to know where these levels are at like you very Rarely will go to a small town in the middle of nowhere in the best comic in the world is there I've never heard of that.

1:44:39I don't think it exists. I think you have to be around other killers Do you but do you think that here's what I've noticed like in small towns? There's always I'll just see if this analogy makes sense There's always a stud in the small town that doesn't really want to be compared to the the beast in big towns Like so other comics who really don't want to they feel better like killing wherever they're at And they don't really want to get thrown into against the best of the best well It's not that it's that they don't want to travel and if they don't have to they because they don't really they're not going against them So one of the rare things about a setup like the comic story you have your game has to be elevated Or it's gonna be very noticeable But what I'm trying to say is in the world of comedy that really doesn't exist Other than showcase clubs.

1:45:26So there's two kinds of clubs There's the kind of clubs where you travel and you go on the road and you go there like the Denver comedy works One of the best clubs in the world or Nashville's in or a zany's rather a Nashville Which is one of the best in the world? I want to Salt Lake Yeah, why is guys in Salt Lake is the shit. So you'd go there you do a weekend there you do your stand up And then you go home. So you're the headliner you bring a middle act and you bring an opening act or you use locals Right, so there's basically two people on in front of you and then you for the most part maybe one person But the point is you're working with those people only So you know what you have to follow you know how good they are you know how good you are and you can kind of coast And some people kind of coast and they they fall into this sort of trap of maintaining A level but not getting better But the people that are forced into places like the seller In New York City or the comedy store in LA or now the mother ship in Austin They're doing sets where they're you know, they're following David Tell their they're following Christus Deffanelle their fall they're following Theo Vaughn.

1:46:33They're following assassins And it's just like these wild rooms where they're just filled with great comics Ron white's going up Roseanne's going up and there's this feeling in the air because of that Where everybody's super energized and everybody's level goes up But everybody was influenced by the greats like we have on the the green room wall We have Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten notes For his last tonight show special so handwritten notes about all of his bits and even the jokes he was gonna tell when he sat on the panel Yeah, it's at my club. It's framed Rodney's wife gave it to us when we opened the club.

1:47:09It was an amazing amazing gift And we framed it and I was heavily influenced by Rodney in a lot of ways But one way He had this I don't give a fuck attitude That was It was like everybody else was pretending but he really didn't give a fuck in his last days Rodney would go on stage with a bathrobe on naked So he was naked with slippers in a bathrobe and standing front of a fucking arena and crush And I was there for that when I was a kid I was working at man at Great Woods center for the performing arts in Mansfield And it was an outdoor concert venue. I got to see Bon Jovi there I got to see a bunch of artists there it was it was fun.

1:47:52I saw Bill Cosby there. You just bought a ticket just like I was working. Oh, that's right. I was a security guard. I heard the story it might have been on Hineses. Oh, good. Could be probably I'm here for yeah, but Rodney was backstage And I got a glimpse of him walking through the hallway with a bathrobe on my dog. This one of the fuck is gonna bathrobe on I thought he was gonna change. Yeah, I thought he had a bathrobe and then he puts a suit on and goes on stage Huh catch a break God, you know, it's like he was amazing man. He was amazing. Good respect. No respect at all and now What liners just bang bang bang bang bang bang And you've created this magical place here.

1:48:32Yeah, what what I was gonna say about Rodney not giving a fuck one of things He did give a fuck about was comedy and the Rodney feet Rodney Dangerfield young comedian special Was the most important special that a comic could get on back then and so many enormous careers were launched because of Rodney Dangerfield because Rodney Dangerfield special we first met dice clay Sam kineson Lenny Clark Dom Eirera all on his oh me yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah so many fucking great comics came out of those Rodney Dangerfield young comedian specials Bill Hicks Came out of that Robert Shimmel came out of that great great comics So if you saw the Rodney Dangerfield young comedian special and then you saw that Robert Shimmel was gonna be in your town soon Like holy shit and it was like the best thing that ever happened to these comics these up in comic comics Because some of them were like they were too dirty for the tonight show They couldn't do the MTV half hour comedy hour they wouldn't it wouldn't give you the full thing You're not gonna get full dice clay from the half hour comedy hour You need to see him at the Rodney Dangerfield special and so he just Launched everyone from that and I was always like I need to do one of those.

1:49:45I need to do like a Rodney Dangerfield Kind of special so that's been your goal. A good joke and comedy special But what it's kind of happened is I've just kind of done it through the podcast Okay, so the podcast has become like a great launching pad to let people know about great comics Because if someone comes on here and I'm telling you hey this fucking guy is hilarious. You gotta go see him right people believe me Okay, I'm gonna I wouldn't lie right I'm telling you cuz they make me laugh. Yeah, and if they don't I just fucking steer clear But then but then the club has been Bob and we've kind of Bob and we've But then the club has been and it Ancillary product of that too words even helping even more because then you can have these guys in here, right?

1:50:26Yeah, that helps a lot. Yeah, all of it helps. It's all good But having a club like that makes me really realize that That we we all are a part of like this High of mind of of our artists. They're all like trying to be funny like everybody's like working really hard Everybody's writing new bits. They got killed Tony where every Monday night You know guys like David Lucas and William Montgomery and Hans came to do them one new minute every week So there's this like fucking buzz Yeah of energy in that place. That's exciting. Yeah, it's it's fucking wild All I know is I see the post and it's just like there's that FOMO type like god this looks and incredible.

1:51:10It just looks like how can I be part of it? You know come back out Yeah, I know just tonight, but the point is like what you've created is just so special It's it's cool. Yeah, it's interesting. So it doesn't really seem real does a Why doesn't doesn't hunting need something like that? How would you do that? I don't know Expo well, how would you do that? You would have to have like what Jesse's doing? How's some sort of an academy? Jesse yeah, Jesse Jesse Griffith the chef. Oh right. Yeah, yeah, yeah um Yeah, I mean I guess the lift run shoot, but it's like we talked about having like a little I don't know Like a get together where you could have New hunters come in and kind of share knowledge and things like that.

1:51:56Yeah, it would be good if there was a way that they could learn Where there was like real courses. Yeah, and all the aspects of hunting because of you I was very fortunate to become friends with you and to become friends with vanilla and Guys like Ryan Callahan and Adam Greentree people that I can call and ask questions. Yeah, people like it talk to people that could You could steer me in a certain direction like hey, what do you think about this? Like hey? What happens when this happens? Hey, what is it? You can say like it's like a massive boost in my education. Yeah, yeah Yeah, and then just also being able to go actually into the woods with you.

1:52:31Yeah, that's where we came up with this idea That's the hard part because I mean I am having a lift run shoot event in in the July, but it's not When I go hunting it's so special to me. It's very different I'm gonna I'm only gonna share it with people who I generally care about you know I mean, I'm not saying I don't care about these people. Yeah, I know You can only go there's only so many days in the right like and so it's but I do I you know You're vision with the comedy scene. I do love hunting or bohunting as much and you know, it's I don't know. I know what you're saying this not to get the same kind of camaraderie thing What we were talking about people talking shit and this happens in all forms of I guess you would call this entertainment in some sort of a weird way because the social media stars That are bow hunters and television stars that are bow hunters They are kind of entertainers in a strange way.

1:53:27Yeah, I mean they're they're doing nowadays. Yeah, that's part of it Right, it's kind of part of it in some weird way and Whenever there's entertainment There's numbers there's 80 people like this but 160 like that and a thousand people like this guy But 5 ,000 people like that guy and then the book of the guy that only has 80 doesn't like the guys 160 And the guy runs five miles. It's mad the guy runs 15 pretty can be pretty toxic Yeah, it's but that's with everything man with everything this like You know, I said I don't even deserve to be on this platform, but like For whatever reason I am so like one of my goals since I quit my job has been like I'm gonna try to be a positive I've been positive like to you, you know what I mean, but not really I don't know I'm even tired man I've been working all day.

1:54:20I would like to not have to work anymore. I'm working. You're working But you're working for you now. Yeah, I that's the biggest thing is like so I had people like offer me podcasts and they they'd produce it They do everything and then I just decided I'm just gonna do it all myself I want I'm gonna pay all the money out. I'm just gonna do it myself whether and I own it whether it sinks or swim It's I'm not relying on anybody else. That's what I've done with this and I'm like Now that I'm this is my job I'm like well this industry's changed my life and I'm gonna like I've decided I'm giving giving away a brand new Ford truck off my website and I'm like really fuck it.

1:55:03I'm giving away a brand new truck and $10 ,000 because in cash just because Dude my podcast all that shit is blowing up. Yeah, I told you it's I told you was gonna How many times I have to tell him I know how many times I have to tell you but I'm like let's celebrate I'm gonna crack open this the devil's nectar. I can't do it on so I'm so so 300 I'm so amped up all my brother congratulations. Thank you. So amped up on veteran owned. Yeah, you're veteran owned companies both of them both kill cliff and Black rifle Both great guys too um and this is out now you can go to killcliff .com The octane cbd elk blood It's 25 milligrams of CBD in it No bullshit no sugar Mean don't drink them all day, but they're great for you It's legit 25 milligrams of CBD Yeah, I like it man.

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1:56:44Well, thank you for the inspiration to start this new my brother I won't happy let's start this new chapter in this success like I said has been Incredible and it's because of the community. So there's there's people there are people who talk shit There's people like I'm not gonna say his name, but Steve's brother. He's a professional shit talker on the hunting industry Um, well people listen, there's a there's a great quote I'm sorry. I'm gonna use this one more time, but all criticism is a tragic result of unmet needs I unpacked that Well, the reason why people get so mad is they don't feel like they're getting what they deserve and they they see Unless there's some legitimate criticism like unless someone realizes you're running a Ponzi scheme or something like yeah, yeah A lot of times when people are hating on someone who's truly an exceptional person if all your getting out of the experience of that person is negative mm -hmm That can't that's not balanced.

1:57:43That's not normal. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah, if someone's only getting negative from you That's crazy. Yeah, you're being crazy It's you're looking at it in a way Where you're trying to find negative you're focusing on the negative you're not looking at like the overall top down picture of the positive things Because you spread so much positivity. You're all about hard work You're all about discipline and you're all about this passion that you have for bohunting and this idea that somehow where it's here's the thought right there's one thought that I kind of understand what they're coming from And this thought is that putting all of this out on social media You're you're kind of cheapening this experience That is so pure and and so difficult to acquire and in a way kind of sacred and you're turning it into like you know fucking Clickbait bullshit.

1:58:43Yeah, you're turning it into you know selfies you're turning it into like look at me I'm amazing. Yeah commercialization is what they say commercialization, but also a distortion of the thing itself, you know And I think there's some there's some validity to that and I know what they're saying when they're saying that But it's a perspective thing. I think if you just look at the overall person What is the actual person stand for and what is that what is the net positive effect of them posting about all this stuff The net positive effect is inspiration and this is one thing that a lot of people have a hard time with They don't like the fact that you're inspiring and I'm inspiring more people to do this right And they think that these people are going to have realistic Expectations Based on the availability that you have to hunt and I have to hunt and they have to hunt on public land and that's absolutely true.

1:59:33It's absolutely true but This is my experience So if I can't talk about my experience because I'm gonna have a distorted Version of this thing because it's the best version of this thing That means I shouldn't show you my cars either That means I shouldn't show you my comedy club like yeah Yeah, a lot of my life doesn't make any sense including the places I get to hunt and the people I get to hunt with Yeah, yeah, it's not fair. Yeah, it's not fair life's not fair. Right. Yeah, not everybody can do it but Ice before and I can do it you can do it too like people can do it It's not an easy thing to acquire but if you focus on it you can do it too There's a lot of people out there that get to hunt in the places that we get to hunt that it's not the whole world It's not the whole public and I understand that but it's You know as far as like the barrier to entries not the same barrier to entries having a crazy car Here's what I've noticed is like you know, I'm saying though.

2:00:31I do I get that But when you say that you were poor yeah, I was poor and we've Achieved this thing right what I've noticed in like with doing every person I've had on here probably every person you've had On my podcast and every person you've had is like what what is common about those guests is They have a passion for something Yeah, and they've used it for a positive endeavor they've They've overcome so much Like every guest I've talked to they have this one thing that they've been obsessed with They wrote that obsession and passion to success so That's the message yeah, that's the message what's your pen you're Whatever you're passionate about yeah that can elevate your entire life Yeah, I think the the the criticism of that people have when it comes to social media hunting and the validity of it is that you're turning it into the same thing as You know posing In front of you know famous places for for likes.

2:01:35Mm -hmm. You're turning it. You're kind of bastardizing it the commercializing of it I get what they're saying But there's also this thing that they're saying that I don't like where they're saying it's causing more people to want to go hunting It's causing more people to fill up the trailheads Okay, so those are the people that are going to vote to keep hunting legal like you have to be careful about that Yeah, but you don't want it to become a small thing you wanted to become a bigger thing Even if it's harder to do and you have to go further and go to different places I think that adjustment is probably better than the adjustment of somehow or another people That don't know what this thing is voting on it and making it illegal because that's not outside the realm of possibility No, no, no, no, no, no.

2:02:17Not at all. In some places the world that's the norm Well, and here's where that argument is a little bit. I get it. I do get it because when I would hunt the wilderness I hated seeing a boot track So I get I wouldn't even tell people my friends and family where I's hunting Because I wanted to protect it right so I get it. I'm not I'm not saying they're wrong But where it kind of loses a little bit of it is when you're talking about a trailhead being being crowded so Oregon where I'm from is 60 % public. It's a lot of public land. Alaska 95 % public where most of Hunters are Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, back east, right?

2:02:59Most of Hunters, so 300 ,000 100 bow Hunters are in Pennsylvania. They have a very small percentage of public land compared to Alaska. What about Texas? Texas is one of the craziest ones. Texas has a million, I think a million bow hunters and five percent is public. Yeah, it's nuts. So yeah, if we're talking public land, that's I think Oregon has 16 ,000 bow hunters. It's not very many. Hmm. And Texas is one million and 60 % of Oregon is public. So you're going to be able to find places to hunt. Montana, you know, that's where Steve's brother is from and that's where his you know, he's very protective of Montana and talks about how there's not enough public land.

2:03:47It's being it's being bought up by these. What do they call? The hunt trust. I think it's our land trust. That's what it is. Land trust where they're leasing out hunting rights. Well, if you look at Montana, most of private is down low because it's agriculture. If you're talking, if you're talking wilderness and mountains, that's public land. So where do you want to hunt? A land trust can't buy down on the private land. That's cattle ranches. That's that's farmers trying to make money. So go up into the wilderness, go hunt the mountains. So where's the land trust purchasing so they can lease it out for hunters?

2:04:25Well, I know they're not person. That's not land trust and wilderness. That's down on like they say, well, if a rancher isn't making money from cattle, he's going to sell it to people who want to do a hunting lease on it and sell out hunting rights instead. Okay, well, that was private anyway. Yeah, not always a private anyway, but is it? So is that seems that's a weird one like I get I get what he's saying. I mean, is he worried it's a slippery slope? His that eventually Montana could be something like what Texas is. He's saying that that the European hunting model of just the rich can hunt is going to be the United States.

2:05:07That's what we're possible. How with the public so much public land, the West is largely public. But if it starts to creep in on that if the the private land starts to creep in on the public land, like if say, let's just say I don't even know if this is legal, but let's say a state is horribly in debt. Yeah, and they have an offer to sell off a chunk of private land that states are always in debt. Public land, brother. Right. They're always in debt. Wasn't that someone's someone wanted to do that and they got in trouble in Utah. A bunch of people organized against them. There was like a representative who wanted to do that.

2:05:46I think so that that was a chaffet. What's his name? Jason Jason chafetz. Chafetz. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't there a situation like that? I went and talked to him back in Washington about that. Yeah, yeah. It was that it was about there's a certain percentage of well, some of it was landlock public land because there's public land, but you couldn't get to it. Right. And then there was some, a couple million or a few million acres that were somehow into that where the public was didn't have access to it because of it was it. There was an argument between if the states manage it, but they can't do it. Then the federal takes it over and then it changes everything and states can never make it work money wise because they don't have the money.

2:06:30The federal has more money. So if it gets into the whole argument on timber management, like they won't go in and harvest timber because they're worried about politics because they won't harvest timber. The fires burn hotter and are more devastating like in California. So worried about the about politics, basically the liberals throwing a fit about getting in there and managing the timber and doing selective cuts and things like that and cleaning up. Which turns into fuel for wildfires that they don't do any of it and that's what makes the fires burn hotter and what wasn't that Trump's argument.

2:07:10He was saying that they're not managing their forest. Like when California was having wildfires, he was saying something about withholding funding. Was there something like that they were doing it wrong? Yeah, I mean, what did he say? Trump had some criticism about the way the California was managing. You'd made that statement about the need to sweep the ground or something like that. Not everyone's like, what? Sweep the ground. Well, he's, no, they just put bleach on it. But that's whenever when you had that bit made it. What do you know? It's clean, it's clean. It's just sweep it up. So what happened?

2:07:43Beautiful, beautiful rakes. No, what are you talking about? Like if there is a fire. You got to clean the floor. You got to clean your floors. Right. I see what he's saying. Yeah, you got to clean the floor. If there is a fire and there's all that fuel there. Right. Of course. They can't get in there and haul it out. But that's the, that's the actual conservationist thinking. Right. You really do have to make sure that you have to manage the fill which ride did. You have to manage timber. You have to manage the whole house. And you have to manage wildlife. Yeah. All those are, those are uncomfortable things for some people.

2:08:14Like you were talking about the amount of bears that were killing those calves. They're starting to see it again in California. I said, you got to clean your floors. You got to clean your floors. There are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they're like so flammable. Yeah. You touched them and it goes up. Okay. First of all, you don't want to clean the leaves off the floor because that's compost. Most of the time. And it's some of the nutrients that actually go into the soil itself because it's like a part of the ecosystem. Right. The leaves aren't up in the big timber, timber country.

2:08:46When I was looking for bigfoot with Duncan Trussell, we were looking for bigfoot. Yeah. For the television show that was awesome. But we were in the Pacific Northwest. I guess it was Mount Rainier. Was that the one that's right above Washington? Washington. Yeah, right above Seattle. So we were up there and we encountered a lot of elk. It's elk everywhere up there. It was crazy. I mean, it just thick. Just piles of elk shit everywhere you went. But the floor was so quiet. Yeah. It was so quiet. And if you're bow hunting, good luck, bitch. You're basically shooting through a box of Q -tips. Like there is nobody thick.

2:09:16There's no path. It's a jungle. Right. So that, well, was it wet? Oh my God. It's so wet. It rains constantly. And you're just walking through the most lush, green, vibrant forest. There's so much fuel for all those plants. That's on the west side of the cascades. So on the east, it's dry. Ah, interesting. Right. And so when you got down to those fires like in Paradise, California, that's dry country. Yeah. So that if you're not doing any salvage timber management down there, that's all fuel. Do you see what's going on with Canada with the fires with New York City as filled with smoke? Yeah, I know.

2:09:54It's crazy. Yeah. People took photos from New York City. My daughter told me today she found on TikTok because that's where they learn everything. That breathing the outside air in New York City is like smoking a half a pack at Cigarette's Day. Yeah. Fuckin' amen. Yeah. There's out there up in Alberta. There's fires. Right there. What's the thing there? You know, it's hilarious. What? The masks aren't effective in protecting them. Yeah. God masks. Even N95 masks are kids because they're not fitted properly. Oh, you mean like air gets in? Wait a minute. When I see somebody in a mask, I want to punch them.

2:10:29I want to hug them. That's the difference in you and me. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I always see them at, oh wait, okay, there's two things. Sometimes a lot of bunch of them. I know. There's two things. I don't want a bunch of them. I want to let them know that I want a bunch of them. I don't want to actually punch them. This has been like on a fairs wheel. I lost it and it came back around. So two things. Now I forgot the one thing. The other thing was, you know how you don't like politics on your. Right. Do you think in some ways you have responsibility to the people? No, they have a responsibility to do what the fuck they want to do.

2:11:02Okay. Because you know, some people would say you're the largest media in the world. That's ridiculous. No, no, no. That's a supply chain issue. That's what that is. You are them. Someone's fucking up. Well, that might be. But, okay. So, if you are, I think it's all nonsense. All of it. I know. I'll talk to some people and hear their version. I know how to fix this nonsense. Yeah. I'm sure. But I'm interested in what I'm interested in. I know. And I have to kind of keep it that way. If I start thinking of this as a platform and a board platform, I'm like, oh, fuck up. This is me and Jamie and you.

2:11:37That's why I wanted. I wanted your thoughts on it because I've heard that before, you know. You should shut the fuck up. Yeah. You're responsibility is to be yourself. We're just looking at things in this wild scale. That is sort of unprecedented. I think it was I think because people are frustrated with Robert Kennedy, Jr. Not having a platform, you know, like they're, they don't want him to have, get his message out because, you know, he's a threat because he makes a lot of sense. So, that's why the Democrats don't want to have a debate. What's their ignoring him? That's what's wild. It's like they're pretending he doesn't exist.

2:12:11Right. So that, so people are saying they would love to see him. I heard you and Theo talking about it. So I'm not trying to go over that again. Yeah. But so it's just a weird time with media and platforms and politics, especially because we've seen what suppression does. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good for anybody. It's also, it's not democratic. Right. Like if they decide that they can not tell you about people and not inform you about people that are very credible people, the guy's environmental attorney, the guy's a Kennedy, his dad was Robert F. Kennedy, he got assassinated. He was there when he died in the hospital and he was 14, his uncle was JFK.

2:12:53Yeah. That perspective. And he's a brilliant guy. How valuable was that? It's very valuable. But this, the system that's in power, they have like a coalition. They know what they're doing. They want to keep things exactly as they are now. They want to keep control of what they are now, and especially the administration that's in currently. If some new person comes in, all their jobs are at stake. Yeah. Right. Everybody goes. Right. Some new guy, if RFK Jr. becomes the president, all those people working for Biden are gone. Right. They know that. They're going to do their best to use all of their resources, all their connections with media.

2:13:30They're going to do their best to discredit him with hit pieces. And maybe even they even believe the things that are in those hit pieces. But at the end of the day, the only thing that changes it is if the media realizes that guy's going to win. And if that guy's going to win, you're going to have to deal with a whole new group of people once they get in there. And so now it's time to play ball with the new piece. Start kissing ass. Now it's time to play ball with the new people. Yeah. But they're trying to stop that from happening. They don't want that to happen. But in the end. You take a note?

2:14:02Look at you over there. I know. I'm not going to forget this one. You can take that toe. Just play it against them. I won. But yeah. So they're going to do all they can to suppress. First they'll suppress them. Then they'll try to. It's a discredit him. Discredit him. Yeah. And do everything they can until they get to that point, the tipping point, then they're like, Oh, shit. So that's that's what if Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard be hard to beat. Oh, man, I love Tulsi. That'd be hard to beat. She carried my fucking rock, dude. She did. She's a beast. God. And she needs vegetables. We got to talk to her about that.

2:14:37And what? She only eats vegetables. Oh, I know. I wanted to take her honey. She said she's, she's Hindu. And so she doesn't eat meat. I was like, fuck. Because she'd be a great hunter. I know she would. She's so tough. Someone's got to like explain to her. This is nonsense. It's not an eating meat thing. I know. It's not good for you. She'd be even better. Well, I mean, bear. Have a little bear. She can have bear. A bear perperoni. Doesn't like that would hurt you. Listen, have some wild pig. They got to get rid of him anyway. Yeah. It'd be a shame to not eat them. But you're right. Tulsi, Robert F.

2:15:09Kennedy. Come on. That'd be tough to beat. Yeah. You know, I talked to her about that. And, you know, on my podcast. And the problem is to run, like, to run for governor in a state, $50 million. To run for president, $500 million is what you need. It just keeps people out. Yeah. So unless you have some private donor like an Elon Musk. Or your Trump. Where's she going to get $500 million? Right. Yeah. That's, that's so wrong. It's crazy. So it's money is deciding everything. Yep. And that's how they like it. Because that way the people that have the money get to stay in power. And it's, uh, with that, that's the thing.

2:15:52Like, if the people are overwhelmingly supporting someone else, they'll shift. They'll shift too, because that's where the money's going to be. It's just like, hopefully, the money there will be more ethically distributed. They'll do it in a better way. With someone, that's what we all hope for. We hope for a president that has the character and the moral foundation and the intellect to realize a better way of managing this and also a way of uniting people. Right. And this, this divide that happened during this country. It was, first of all, it was Trump's support. The rest election. Yeah. Trump's supporters against the, the, the Democrats.

2:16:30Because it really wasn't Biden. It was just Democrats winning. It was someone else winning. And then it was vaccinating people against unvaccinated people. This crazy divide. We saw people that are just so scared of this virus that they were willing to cast aside their humanity and call people that were skeptical of the vaccine. Call them like, I call them play grats. I saw people call people wild shit. People that I knew. And then what is wrong with you? You, you follow Eddie Bravo, right? Oh my god, he's one of my best friends. I know, I know. But so he put up a video the other day. And it's like this compilation of this message that mainstream media had about COVID.

2:17:10Oh, yeah. No one safe. No one safe. No one safe. Over and over and over. And then everybody, then you'll never get it. You'll never get sick. You'll never die. Yeah. And then they all get it. And it's like this whole timeline we see that lying and, and selling this fear the whole time. And still never admitting it. Well, it's a narrative. They were given a narrative. And they were told that this is the narrative that you're supposed to relay on top of it. How is that different than some? It's not. It's some messed up country with, you know, some third world country. It's not, but they thought they could get away with doing it in this case because of a pandemic.

2:17:45Because there's an emergency. Yeah. And so that's why you have to be very careful about giving up any powers to the government during an emergency. Because they'll capitalize on that. They're not stupid. They know this is an opportunity. Yeah. They can clamp down on you. You see that thing about the World Health Organization? In the EU, there are this vaccine passport system that they've devised. You see that? I retweeted it. People are freaking out about this. Yeah. It's just, you don't give people power. Don't give people power to do things they couldn't do before because they're going to keep it and they're going to expand.

2:18:17And if you don't fucking hold the line and you think it's a good thing to give in because we all have to be safe. Like, oh my god. If you got to be safe, then just tell people about it and the smart people will take it. If it's really safe. But if you make them take it, then you can make them do things. If you can make them do things and if they don't want to do things, then you get to do things to them. You get to take away their money, you can take away the job, take away their ability to travel. Don't give into that. You can't give into that because you're giving that power to other human beings that you might not agree with.

2:18:47And you might not trust their judgment. And just because they won an election, that means they're smarter than you and they can sense what's really going on better than you. And maybe they're compromised by money. And maybe it's clear that they're compromised by money. Maybe they're in a whole party that's compromised by money. That's in cohoots with a media organization that's compromised by money. And they all spit out the same narrative. And they can now tell you you can't travel if you don't agree. I know. And they don't have to be right. And they don't have to debate it openly. They don't have to have a consensus amongst all the intellectuals where they can do it anonymously, where they don't have any fear of repercussions or their career, which is a lot of people.

2:19:27During this whole thing, they didn't want to speak out about any of it. And the people that did got attacked. And they got attacked directly by the government. There's like real clear organization involved in going after certain scientists that had a specific narrative. Certain scientists that weren't towing the line. You had them on here. Yeah, but not just those guys. There was a lot of other guys too. There was the people from the Great Barrington Declaration. World Health Organization, World Health Organization, Director General, Tedros Adnan, oh boy. Yeah. Gibraces announced digital immunization vaccine certificates, which will be required to participate in society.

2:20:08So listen to this. While the emergency phase of the COVID -19 pandemic is now over, investments in digital infrastructure remain an important resource for health systems and for economies and societies at large. Like many countries, the European Union made significant investments in COVID -19 certificates to help people move around as safely as possible during the pandemic. The European Union certification system was used by all 27 EU member states and more than 50 other countries. Building on the success of the EU system, WHO is proud today to launch the Global Digital Health Certification Network.

2:20:58Thank you so much to the European Union for the excellent certification system that you have. Here's a problem. Stop that for a second. It didn't work. No. Here's a problem. It's not even an effective vaccine. Right. Right. I mean, maybe it saved lives in the beginning. But we read this study about from the Cleveland Clinic the other day. It was saying that overall in the Cleveland Clinic from the health workers, when they did a survey of them, the ones who got vaccinated the most got COVID the most. Right. Which is crazy. Yeah. So it's not even like it just stops at dead in its tracks like they were saying in the beginning of the pandemic.

2:21:33And yet they're still trying to implement this digital system where you have to take this medicine that they've showed didn't work that good. You know what it is though? So he said based on the success of whatever that was. Yeah. What success? So it reminds me of Biden getting on there right now. He's making posts every day about how successful they've been and the most jobs in the history of the presidency of the United States and economy is coming back better. It's like it's gaslighting. It's just 100 % a lie. It's just gaslighting. But also people. They know it's not true. For them to do this, this is what everybody was worried about.

2:22:12Everybody was worried about some global system where you have to opt into it. You can't travel unless you do. But he's saying. Everybody was worried about that. But he's saying on the heels of the success. That's so crazy. Yeah. It's so crazy because people are furious. The people that took the vaccine and still got COVID and got very sick are furious they got lied to. Well, and the cancer and young adults is skyrocketing. The cancer numbers based on the vaccine apparently. I don't know if that's true. I don't know what the study's saying. And I don't know if anybody's doing studies unfortunately.

2:22:43Yeah. But I don't know, you know, that's that correlation equals causation thing. But it's something to be concerned with. The uptick in just deaths is a weird thing to be concerned with. All cause mortality is up. Right. Which is weird. Well, people want to attribute that to different things. Oh, people got, they were drinking a lot during the pandemic. Maybe. Yeah. But also another thing happened too. Remember that other thing? Well, everybody got to take a shot. Yeah. How about that? How about no, why is no one considering that? Right. Like no one who's in these mainstream news organizations is looking over these numbers and saying, do you have to be concerned if you've had a vaccine injury?

2:23:22Do you have to be concerned? Have you had an adverse reaction? Do you have those numbers? They're not, they're not trying to seek them out. That's for sure. They're not trying to ask people to come forward if you have. Yeah. And we need to know the real numbers. They're not running like some sort of a white, wouldn't you think they would do that? Yeah. If you're going to do something with you. If you cared about society, like you say. Right. If you weren't in cahoots with an organization that could lose money. Right. Based on these results, wouldn't you do that? You probably would. You should do that.

2:23:48We should know. And they should know. The pharmaceutical drug company should know. They should know. Everyone should know. Like what's the real result of this? And if it's positive, it's positive. It's a small amount of people that have side effects. Great. Okay. Great. But there's never been a time ever in our country where this was mandated on adults. Where adults were told that they had to take a very specific medication in order to do things like go to work. That's crazy. Especially the experimental one with no long -term data. Yeah. And one that was just rolled out for the whole world. Very happy I didn't take it.

2:24:24Well, it was also watching the machine come after people who didn't take it. And come after people like me who didn't take and got better quick. Well, okay. So this is like, I was going to ask you before yesterday where was Tucker Carlson? Because it seems like he just disappeared. I was like, did they kill him? Is he gone? He did a Twitter show. Yeah, but then he made a show. So I was like, that screwed up my question to you. Because I was like, have you heard? I never see anybody disappear off the face of the earth like Tucker did until he just... Well, I think he probably had to get his legal ducks in a row.

2:24:57Yeah. I mean, there's a big difference between like leaving, you know, a sitcom or something. Yeah. And leaving Fox News when you're the number one guy. Yeah. And there's all sorts of speculation about why... Why would they get rid of the number one guy? Yeah. Like that doesn't make any sense. Business wise. Unless the number one guy's got a body in his basement. Yeah. It's going to come out. I mean, he was gone though. I mean, there was no... I've never seen anybody just disappear and then he... Well, he made a couple of videos. He made a short video right afterwards when they were attacking him.

2:25:29Yeah. And then... It's like a month though. They did a thing with Twitter, right? Yeah, just recently. Two to two. It's... I did you see the views that got? Yeah, crazy numbers. 68 million? Crazy numbers. And it's going to be the case. Like, by trying to silence that guy, they've made him check. He's bigger than he's ever been. Okay. So then that led this leading me to my other... Thank you for that. Because... So they tried to silence him. They tried to silence you. The White House mentioned you. So how do people like you and Tucker beat the system in that regard and become uncancellable? Well, there's not uncancellable.

2:26:10Well, they tried everything with you. They're probably going to keep trying. That's just what they're doing. They're trying to discredit people that they think are a threat. And they have a very specific narrative. And the White House is... I mean, you see how that Peter Ducey guy gets into it with the White House Press Secretary all the time about illegal immigrants and about. All the different things that are happening in the border and, you know, like, what is Biden doing? Like, what's happening in Ukraine? And when you see their resistance to any questioning, like, this particular White House Press Secretary lady, well, I'm trying to tell you.

2:26:42I feel like there's like testiness to it. And there's this condescending attitude. Right. I mean, and I don't blame her. She's essentially like a cop that's been sent to quiet down a mob. Like, all right, folks, I know you all want to go back to your homes. But here's what's going on. Shit, please, please in the back. You know, like, it's a combative position. Like, that Kayleigh McEnany lady, she was the best at it. Yeah, she was. She was the fucking composed. She's the goat. And she always came correct with the notes. And she never lost her composure. She was able to, like, shoot. You're playing some kind of crazy verbal tennis match going back and forth.

2:27:18Yeah. But, you know, they had to talk about me. It was just a thing. They had a narrative. And this narrative was, you got to get vaccinated. And anybody who has anybody on that says that there's anything wrong with the vaccine, this is COVID misinformation. It's going to cost people lives. Yeah. And there's no narrative that could compete with it. There's no, like, you know, hey, folks, it's really important to get your metabolic health in order. Hey, folks, you need to be taking vitamin D. Everyone should supplement with vitamin D. We've, the White House has ordered the increase in production of vitamin D into distribution in areas all across the country.

2:27:49Hey, folks, you've got to lose weight. There's all these studies that are coming out that's showing that overweight people are so much more susceptible. The percentage of people that wind up in the ICU, they all have four or more code morbidities. Let's try to chop those down. Legit info. Legit info. Legit info. Legit info. But they can't. They can't say stop eating sugar. Then fucking Coca -Cola is going to go, what the fuck are you doing? We give this business. We give this much money to the campaign. If someone came on television like in Obama or like someone who's a, like, a person that people trust and said, ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to me and you got a donut in your hand, put it down, please, this is what's killing us.

2:28:28If you look at photos of people on the beach, look at photos of people on the beach in 1970. And look at photos of the people on the beach today. Like, we look gross. They want people controlable, controlable consumers. Well, some factions of our society want people controlable consumers, but we are society. And we don't have to accept that. But if you've accepted it in so long, but you don't have to fight against it. You just have to, you just have to not ever participate in it. And you have to make sure that everybody knows what it is and make it change the way it behaves. Because it's not legal anymore.

2:29:04Because it's not, it's not accepted. You have to figure out a way like if you want to release a medication, you, you, you have to have access to the actual data, not the data as interpreted by the scientists that have made it. And that's one of the things that we learned about the whole process of peer review when it comes to a lot of these pharmaceutical drugs. That's how they sneak them in because they make a whole bunch of studies. Yeah. And they just gear the study to make sure that they get the results they want. And that's the one they release. And all the ones that show that it does harm, they get rid of those studies.

2:29:36Yeah. And they bury them. We don't have access to it. Right. That's crazy. And the only way that that's possible is through corruption. The only way that's possible is through money. Because if we're really concerned about the, the, the human beings that are having to take this medication, there should be a completely independent body that does all these examinations. Third party. I mean, but I mean completely independent. Don't you do it with your supplements? Yes, we did. We did blind study. Well, not just that. We actually sent them off to third party. We had to do that because we found out early on when we were making alpha brain, that when we would make our supplements, whether it was alpha brain or schrum tech sport, I forget which one it was, but we had sent it out.

2:30:18And then we did a third party study. We found vitamins that were in there that weren't in the original formula. And it was just trace amounts. And we realized that they were using the same bins for alpha brain, that they maybe were using for like vitamin B12 or this and that. So you're getting like contaminated stuff. So you have to realize, okay, now we're dealing with a irreparable vendor. They're not doing the right thing. So now we have to switch, switch people that make it or not vendor, manufacturers. So we have to switch manufacturers. Yeah. So we had to do that. And we had to, we had, it was like a trial and error thing.

2:30:50We have to realize that. So if you're that committed for supplements. Yeah. More committed than for medicine? It's crazy. It's what we did it because we wanted to know. Yeah. Like in the beginning, like a lot of people were saying that like alpha brain was snake oil. And I was like, listen, we should fund a study. We should fund a study. So we funded a study for the Boston Center of Memory. We did a pilot study and then we did another study. And it showed all sorts of positive increases in verbal memory. It's about alpha flow state, reaction time. There was good solid data that showed in actually like half the dose that I take.

2:31:23When I take alpha brain, there was positive results. And so that was very reassuring because I'm like, I can't, I don't believe this is a placebo. Yeah. Because it works too well. And there's too much anecdotal evidence. There's too much evidence about some of the ingredients. And when you put them together synergistically, it only makes sense that it would work better. It does. That's beautiful. Yeah. I just want that same type of commitment to medicine. See, like the thing is the FDA with supplements. It's just kind of squirrely. You don't have to do that. It's real squirre, supplements are squirrely.

2:31:51You know, because you, there's not a lot of regulation when it comes to like vitamin supplements. Part of me thinks that's good because there's companies like pure encapsulations, right? It has a phenomenal reputation. They make the best stuff. They make, and so when I see pure encapsulations, it sells whatever various supplements, I tend to lean towards buying them because I know that's a really great brand. But you can buy some shady shit. It's made somewhere that has like half the efficacy. I know some guys who did some third party tests on some supplements. And they found it was like 25 % what it was supposed to be in terms of dosage and 25 % active ingredients.

2:32:31So it's like you got to get it from people that you trust, but the problem is along the way people are going to get fucked. And people do. And it happens with UFC fighters. They get tainted supplements. It happens all the time, or it used to happen all the time, to guys became more careful. But if you go to Usada's website, when they show for the athletes, they have a list of supplements that you should avoid. Because they've been determined to have illegal substances. It's a fucking shitload. How many of them are on the Usada website? It was a shitload, right? It was like just label after label after label.

2:33:06So it's unregulated. I just want that same little testing for what they're pushing to society. Well, they should want to do it. Just like they wanted to do it for alpha brain. But the problem is if they wanted to do it, and they have all this money invested in it, and it turns out that that thing is not as effective as they've been advertising. What do they do now? Well, what we think they do is they fund studies that make it look like it's more effective than it is, or they gear the study to make it look like it's more effective than it is in a very particular way, and then they release that.

2:33:36And then they come up with a justification. And that's what they did with Viox. And there's a paper trail. You can see how they coordinated this and how they knew. They even said, we know there's going to be people going to have some problems, but we're going to do very well with this. Yeah. Which is a crazy thing to say when you're talking about people's lives. It's a business model. But it's what that business is. If you're in the business of being a vampire, and I'm like, why aren't you growing flowers? Because he's a fucking vampire. Wolves are in the business of being wolves. And those CEOs that are just in the business of making the most money possible.

2:34:06When they get access to the kind of loot that they made during the pandemic, they're addicted to that now. That's the new thing. Wasn't it like, was it something crazy? Like 40 new billionaires were made during the pandemic? Yeah. Yeah. Why? They were ballin'. They were ballin'. So that's their business. That's what they do. They're going to continue doing what they do if you allow them to do it that way. Right. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be in business. Of course they should be in business. They make dick pills. Yeah. They make all kinds of good stuff. They make diabetes medication. I love dick pills.

2:34:35The pandemic creates new billionaires every 30 hours. Now a million people could fall into extreme poverty at the same rate in 2022. Yeah. Whoa. 1073 people became a billionaire. Whoa. Oh, I thought they were just talking about the United States. Is that the world? No, no. That can't be in the United States. We have 573 billionaires. Jesus. Yeah, they might come after us if that's true. Yeah. It's nerve -wracking, man, because the people that have that kind of money and that kind of power, they want to maintain that position and they want to maintain that influence over people. And the best way to maintain it is to like tighten down on what people are allowed to do.

2:35:11Yeah. Where they have to comply. I mean the CEO of Pfizer, there was a famous speech where he's giving, he was talking about a pill that you would have to take that sends off a signal to show that you've taken it. And he says, imagine the compliance. Does that what he says? Yeah. Have you seen him say that? No. Let's find that. Find where he says that because it's so bonkers. Like compliance. Like, oh my god. You know, it's comply. Yeah. You're making people go, you see, force, that word, that term, just the thought process behind that statement. It's so crazy. Encourage would be better. Comply, like you have no choice.

2:35:52Here it says. It says, it's edited to cut important context. CEO, Albert Borer explains. So what is the actual, but it's okay. Says the video discussing ingestible pills with sensors has gone viral falsely presented as an interview from 2022 and edited to cut out important context. One Twitter user shared the clip on May 20 here commenting Pfizer CEO Albert Borer explains Pfizer's new tech to Davos crowd ingestible pills. A pill with a tiny chip to send a wireless signal to relevant authorities when the pharmaceutical has been digested. Imagine the compliance, he says. Now is that really what he said?

2:36:29See. So what does he really say? Yeah, there's, there's, there's. What's cut out if he says that? See, this is one of those things where you got to wonder if they're trying to gaslight you with the headline. He commented on biological sensors during a conversation on general technological advances in healthcare pharmaceuticals. So what does he said in response to a question from the audience? Ideas to engage patient. He calls the research and field fascinating says that there's already a pill approved by the US Food and Drug Administration. He moves on to describe this pill and where the clip version seen on social media begins and he later concludes.

2:37:02But of course, there will be an initial cost and someone needs to invest. Borer was not talking about a Pfizer drug or technology rather who's describing. Abilify my site a drug with a digital ingestion traction system. Right. So that is it. Okay. For the treatment of schizophrenia, a cute treatment of manic and mixed episodes associated with bipolar disorder, bipolar one disorder and for use as an add on treatment for depression and adults. So he was talking about a different pill, but he was talking about a pill with a sensor. But the point is that is true. So they can say well, it's for this schizophrenia or manic.

2:37:39So that's why they, that's how they got it approved. But now it's out there. Right. Well, now it's an actual technology. And if they can mandate a medication that you have to take for something else, they make it sound good by, oh, that maybe that would help those people. But now it can be used on everybody. Yeah. So here it says that. So it basically is a biological chip that is in the tablet. And once you take the tablet and it dissolves in your stomach, it sends a signal that you took the tablet. So imagine the applications of that compliance. Okay. So did he say, imagine the applications of that compliance and then they edited to say, imagine the compliance?

2:38:18I think that's what it's saying. Let's see him say it. Here's the video. Yeah, let's play the video. Let's play the video. It will be this one. It is basically biological chip that it is in the tablet. And once you take the tablet and dissolves into your stomach, it sends a signal that you took the tablet. So imagine the applications of that compliance, the insurance companies to know that the medicines that patients should take, they do take them. It is fascinating what happens in this field. That doesn't comfort me. If that's what we really said. No, but he's saying so if you have a schizophrenic patient, they have to take it.

2:39:01To know that they did or didn't take their medicine like they're supposed to. Yes. But yeah, you could use that now on anything then. You could use anything. Once they get it down whatever approved, then it's there. Exactly. Yeah. And once it's been applied before, they can apply it to other things. And if they can mandate that everybody takes a medication, they have it. For health and safety. And especially if you have an application, now if you have an application, this World Health Organization, digital passport, it sends a signal to your passport. And if you don't, you're not going anywhere.

2:39:30And they just say it's for health and safety. It's all bonkers. And the fucking headline that they had to that is like, that's that thing that they know. They twisted around. Yeah. We were reading this thing about Al Pacino. There's this whole article. And the type of article is Al Pacino, it feels like it reports that Al Pacino felt like the girl hoodwinked him and this and that. And then below that in small letters, after we talked to him, that's not true. So look at this. Let's check out this fucking here. We'll go back. Look at this. So this is a really special coming at this time. Al Pacino 83 breaks silence to celebrate 29 year old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims.

2:40:12He demanded a paternity test because she hoodwinked him. The actor revealed he and his girlfriend, Nora Al Fowla, were expecting last week. Initial reports claim that Al was not pleased over the news. Sources told Daily Mail that wasn't true. Which he has now confirmed. So he's confirmed it's not true. It's still in the headline. Right. That's in little tiny letters below the big headline. It says, breaks silence to celebrate 29 year old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims that he demanded paternity test because she hoodwinked him. Yeah. Claims. Claims. By who? Yeah. But that's a headline. So they're allowed to do that, just like they're allowed in that last headline.

2:40:55That's what drives me crazy. So what was the last headline? I sort of understand this one because there were a bunch of claims that he was mad and they're like, he's, he's, no, no, no, no, no, not the Al Pacino one. Go back to the other headline, the Borla one. What was the headline that discredited what we did? It says that it's Pfizer's tech. Yeah, it's right there. And that's not Pfizer's tech is the problem. Okay. So it's, but it's new tech. Yeah. And it's still still a CEO of Pfizer talking about the world economic forum. It was also in 2018 and they're saying that this was new and a year ago.

2:41:24Well, it's not even of its 2018. It's still crazy. Yeah, it is. It's still crazy. And I get it that it was pre -pendemic. So it's a different thing. And in application for schizophrenia, I understand that as well. I know people that it's schizophrenic and I know people that go off their medication and lose their fucking mind. And it's dangerous. It's weird. It would probably, when Brody was off his medication. Right. There was a moment when Brody was around the store when he was off his medication and people were trying to get him back on it. And he was really struggling. And I've seen it. So if you had a situation like that or you could ensure that Brody was taking his medication, maybe Brody would still be with us.

2:42:01I don't know. But maybe he would be okay. Maybe. But it's also he's a human being. And maybe you should just try to get someone to be with him and make sure he takes his medication rather than forcing a new technology down the growth of everyone for a very small percentage of people that absolutely have to take medication or they go crazy. Because most people don't have to do that. Right. So to have that kind of tech available, that freaks me out. I don't like it. And especially if you fall into this idea that they were prepared for something like this happening, because if it did, they had sort of an idea of how to implement this sort of system.

2:42:39And one of the best ways to implement this sort of system would be some sort of a pandemic. We have new authorizations, new rules, new abilities to tell people to shut the fuck up and stay in your house. So the fact that that was 2018? Yeah. Does it mean they were probably talking about this pandemic back there? Well, they were definitely talking about a potential for a pandemic. Yeah. They've been doing that forever. I know. And because human beings have them, they happen all the time. So one last thing. Because so what's your thoughts on having Tucker on the show? What are you trying to do? Make a fucking viral clip?

2:43:14No. What are you doing here, Cam Haines? No. But because I'm always like, if people are trying to cancel somebody, I want to hear from that person. Yeah, I want him to sort all this stuff out because I want to find out what's going on with Fox News. But I'd be interested in talking to him. Yeah. I think the whole thing is very fascinating because he was one of the only guys that was kind of going against the corporate narrative. Yeah. They're in a lawsuit because he even put that Twitter video up, apparently, no. So you're not even allowed to put a Twitter video up? They're saying Fox, according to this article, says he that breached his contract.

2:43:44He might have had a non -compete or something and then they're saying Fox is trying to silence his first amendment rights. Yeah. Interesting. So they kick you off a show. Can they say you can't use social media? Depends on your contract. Wow. Is it possible that his contract said when they kick him off the show that he can't make up video on social media? It depends on. That's where I would go like putting up an edited 10 minute thing that looks like a show. And if he has a non -compete that says you can't make a show, then that's what their point is. I don't know. Interesting. So that's an interesting little battle.

2:44:15I wonder if he was like walking down a sidewalk saying that same thing. Yeah. Yeah, there might be a way for him to do it. Yeah, maybe he's doing a jet ski. Yeah, I mean, because it was kind of a studio setting. Yeah. So maybe he should just put a fucking iPhone on a jet ski and just drive around and just talk to people. That would be kind of a problem. I just, yeah, there's probably a way around the loophole. Maybe he's going to like, I just don't like, I think he does fit. I know. He does a lot. So maybe it's time fly for sure. I don't like when they, when the government or whoever, these corrupt TV channels try to cancel somebody.

2:44:48I'm like, I want to hear from them now. Yeah. And so he was a number one guy. Now they don't want anybody to hear his voice. And everybody wants a hear's voice. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bad move on the part. But I think it was a business move. If I had a guess, I had to guess someone that was one of their sponsors or someone that owns a piece was very upset with his positions. That he was taking some very controversial positions about a lot of things, including intelligence agencies. The fucking guy out now said CIA killed Kennedy on Fox News. Who he did? Yes. Tucker Carlson out and out said the CIA.

2:45:25See, I trust that guy. I mean, I don't know. I don't know why, but I trust him. I want to hear from him. And that's like, I trust him more than I trust Don Lemon. Yeah. I don't know if, you know, I don't know him. I don't know what he's actually like. But Renella loved having him on the show. He's told me that he's like, he's told me that he's like, I'll say, he's the people that, like, ideologically opposed to him, who worked with Renella. When they did the media, like, fuck, I hate to say that. I really like the guy. Tulsi said he's a great guy. He goes, you guys are to get along. I bet you would.

2:45:56And so that's... Get that motherfucker to run up the mountain. It's just frustrating. I don't know. I'm just like so frustrated. So I know I know you hate the politics, but like selfishly, I want to hear from these people. And I'm like, well, I think you're so good at fucking getting to the bottom of everything. I'm like, selfishly, I want you to. Even though I know you don't want to, and I get it, and in sure show obviously you'll do it. I'm going to talk about cats, it, and dicks with Theo Vaughn. I know. I know. I mean, that's fun to listen to also. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.

2:46:29I'm concerned about society and like... I'm concerned. I am too. I am too. And I'm concerned that there's... It seems like there's the most transparent power struggle that I've ever seen. Yeah. Because the power struggle is even in regards to like popular Democrats. It's not even about popularity anymore. It used to be like, who's the most popular Democrat? And that popular Democrat, they would run against the Republican. That seemed to be how it always went. And I'm sure there was a lot of fucking funny business going on. Yeah. But if someone was uniquely popular, they would essentially, you know, they went out in the debates, and you remember all those days.

2:47:05Yeah. There's debates, and you'd, like, the fucking power would shift. It looked like this guy was going to win, but then she came along, and then he was... There was always like that. And now they don't want to do that anymore. They don't even want to have debates, which seems insane. It seems insane that we tolerate that. That they just want to hold on to the position like, nope, we're not going to have any sort of primary debates. That isn't not a part of what we've always done. Shouldn't you watch ideas battle it out against the other ideas? Shouldn't you see how someone stands up to the pressure of these national discussions about very important issues that are affecting us all?

2:47:38I want to know how people weather that storm. That's the whole point to it. That's the whole point to it. And it's the whole point is to give people a chance to watch these people express themselves and decide for yourself. Yeah, and it's... Intelligently. And if they're in Cahoots where the media is only putting out a negative version of this one person, and you got people like Hillary Clinton, they're saying that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset and crazy talk. Crazy talk. I know. But all that stuff, if that's what gets out, and then you don't let that person talk, and you won't let that person debate, and that's what happened when the Tulsi after the whole thing with Kamala Harris.

2:48:12I know. We're done with you. You know, it's enough. We did that 50 for the fallen over in Hawaii with Tulsi, and we walked by and where she... Oh, she's like, oh, I live right there in the house. It's just like the most normal house in the normal neighborhood. I'm like, no wonder I like her. It's the normal person. It's the most normal person ever, but just like a strong leader. Yeah. And I'm like, this is... To me, it was beautiful. It is. She's an amazing person. And unfairly maligned because of... And then ideological tribes that people lump themselves in. Yeah. If you're on this side, like she's demonized, and you hear people talk about her at parties, and you hear people talk about her at places.

2:48:58Yeah. You have to kind of go along with it. You have to agree with it. And you saying that Hillary was saying she was a Russian asset. It's insane. Just made me think that I'm like, oh my god, how crazy is that? It's insane to say. And it's also insane that people didn't push back against it. People weren't furious about it. It's a crazy thing to say. A person who served overseas in a medical unit twice, and developed that white streak in her hair while she was there, just from the stress of treating fallen soldiers. It's fucked up. And it's this weird world that we live in. And I think things go in cycles.

2:49:36And I think part of the cycle is the recognition of how fucked up things are now. Where new people have to come along that aren't fucked up. And that these people then get the will of the people behind them. And if there's enough power and there's enough influence, and there's enough votes, there's enough people that just overwhelmingly believe things. And the powers that be have to play ball with this new person. And hopefully they don't kill that guy. They killed his uncle and killed his brother. Or killed his father, brother. Well, and you know, I start, I'm feeling like, I'll just tell you, I feel like when I should go see my grandma, I used to want to try to get out of there.

2:50:10And she used to keep bringing up things so I didn't leave. That's how I feel like right now with you. Because I feel like we've been talking forever. And I keep bringing up the shit. So I'm trying not to lock you guys in here. That's okay. But she said one thing, you know, when we were talking, is like, it just gives perspective to what she stands for. But she said when she was serving overseas, and she would leave the base, there was a sign. I don't know if she said this on your podcast. But she'd leave the base and there was a sign that said, is today the day. I'm pretty sure it was something like that.

2:50:41It's today the day. And that's serving over there, wondering, is today the day you're not coming back. You know, because that's a very real thing. But the fact that she volunteers to do that, gave up, you know, she had a political seat, I think at that time, even in Hawaii, and to go serve and then face like what our troops face over there, fighting for a greater purpose, and seeing that as today the day, it's like, that's the type of person I think should be in politics. Yeah, that or a person who really doesn't want the job. Yeah. So I'm fucking Elon Musk type character. Someone who's just very smart, who's still like enough is enough.

2:51:21This is what needs to be done. You know, some genius billionaire type character who really understands the system, and can adequately relay that message to people. So that's the problem with being a president. You can't just be great at these ideas. You also have to have a certain amount of charisma. There's a certain amount of appeal, which is crazy because Biden won, right? But there's a certain amount of... But he won because they didn't want Trump in. It's real clear there. Yeah, Elon was real pumped about that. Now is that anti -Trump? Yeah, it's an anti -Trump. It was anyone but Trump, that was what that vote was.

2:51:58And the crazy thing is that's like more than Trump. It's like more than the country wanted anyone but. Like very few people were excited about that choice because maybe some people in the beginning thought it would be like Obama take two. Yeah. Like, you know, it would be more reasonable. And then I think that... That illusion that dissolve fairly quickly. So here we are in this weird place where it doesn't look good. There's international conflict with Russia. There's all these war hawks that are causing calling for, you know, more escalation. And the war mongers making money off of it. There's people dismissing Trump's idea that he could solve it.

2:52:34Yeah. There's a lot of weirdness going on in the world. And then there's AI. And then there's UFOs. And everything is happening at the same time. It's really one of the wildest times ever to be alive. When it comes to just life -changing events, world -changing events that can happen at a blink of an eye, at any given moment, at any given moment, something could break out with Russia and Ukraine. That would change history forever. I mean, change human civilization forever. It's scary. It's that scary. It's that scary. And the people that dismiss that fear are, oh my God, what do you... That's like, he won't shoot me.

2:53:13Like, what are you talking about? People get shot all the time. Like, there's... The history's riddled with accounts of people doing horrific things. You know, we went back to the story of the mongrels earlier. There's a story of this guy who is the Khorizmiin Shah. And it's in the Dan Carlin Hardcore History series of the Wrath of the Khan, where they're going to Jin China, and along the way, they have to abandon their convoy, because the roads are so destroyed that they can't travel on them, because they're so thick with human bodies that have decayed, that the roads are all mud. And they see what they thought in the distance was a snow -covered peak, and as they get closer, they realize it's a pile of bones.

2:54:02They killed everyone. They killed everyone in the city and stacked them on top of each other and left. That's human beings. And human beings have been doing horrific things like that. The idea that they won't do it now, that's the same ridiculous idea as no one will invade. He won't do that. Of course, they do. That's what people have done. Yeah. The history is filled with stories of people invading countries, of war breaking out, of horrific death and destruction. The idea that you can just push, push, push aggressively against this, and there's not going to be some sort of global repercussion.

2:54:37You know what sets America apart, is we have a lot of people, like there's a Native American story that this village is being attacked, and the men drove stakes into the ground, tied themselves to the stakes, let the women and children take off, and would stand there and fight till they died, because they were tied there. We have men that'll similarly do that. We'll fight to the end to do what's right. So, yeah, we can get pushed, or we can push other people, but there's still people out there who will fight to the death for what they believe in. That's why we need vaccine passports to keep those people in their homes, and take their guns away.

2:55:22It's a lot of it is all connected, unfortunately, and they're also capitalizing on these horrific events that do happen with mass shootings. But one thing you never hear discussed is what, if any, are the correlations between mass shooting and psych medications? Yeah. Because they don't want to talk about that. The vast majority of those people are on some stuff, vast majority. But no one is looking at that as a potential cause. They're looking at it as, you know, not causation, but maybe correlation because they're crazy in the first place, which is why they're taking medication. Yeah. Not that the medication allowed them to do something horrific.

2:56:03It's just a weird thing where people are doing the work for the companies. They don't want to believe they got duped, so they'll argue in favor of these gigantic pharmaceutical drug companies that don't give a fuck about them. They'll argue in favor of the military industrial complex is influenced over the politicians that they support. Like their team has to win. Like it's a bizarre way of looking at things that people have. And it's very difficult for people to look at it objectively, to really step back and take a good look at it like, wow, this is not optimal by any stretch of the imagination.

2:56:39Like these people that are running things are full of shit. A lot of them are buffoons. They're not exemplary. They're not the people that you want running a society. No. If Chris Williamson, the vet guy was running for president, I'd go, hey, he's so smart. He's so fucking smart. Why don't he be president? I mean, he can't. He's from the UK. What's... Even when Biden was young, he was like, he would just talk down to people, egotistical, makeup, lies about his grades. He would demean people. But that was then, bro, he's better now. He's changed. That was too brain -servant. So he was never...

2:57:08He was never good. No, he was never the best guy. You know, it was, what is that Obama quote? Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up. Did he really say that? I don't know. It's a great quote if he did. Yeah, I don't want that fact checked. Yeah, I know. That's like, I saw this article once that said that sperm cures women's depression. I'm fucking slam my laptop. I'm gonna go with red enough. Yeah, I have red enough. I wanted to say... I wanted to argue this to the death. Trust science. It seems to be on... It's a... Maybe accurate. It's not on hand. It was set off... Like off the record to someone.

2:57:46Oh, he said it. Yeah, I bet he said it. I mean, smart. I'm gonna go with that. Come on, if you work with that guy, you wouldn't be saying shit like that. The other... The last thing on my notes. You got notes. I'll remember the tick -tack title. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um... So you said, like, something about when you're young about fear. Yeah. Is that... Do you think... Do you like hunting bear? Or is like, are you worried about like... Grizzlies or black bears... I'm definitely worried about them. The fear part of it. Um... First of all, I think there's something good about eating a predator. A really belidia.

2:58:20Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't know. I like doing it. I like eating that. I know. I like... I like seeing that. I like seeing that. I like seeing that. That clip where you said something... And who... God, who's your friend? He's bald, comic. Dilbur. And he's like, no, you fucking lunatic. Because you said something about if you eat elk, you feel stronger. I said, if you get more aggressive. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but to your point... I only ate one meal. I'm a lunatic defense. Because when I eat... When I eat bear... Yeah. I fucking... Yeah, I think it's true. Still indensible. I think it's true.

2:58:52This is it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been chowing it for like four days. I don't respect for that fucking elk that you shot. It's like I'm eating all this shit. I don't care if it's fucking bad. Does it make you more aggressive? What? No. No, Joe, you fucking lunatic.

2:59:14So, maybe it gets in my face that might cause me to get more... Lunatic. Ain't a little bit of protein. You had to beat the fuck out of people for like three decades. Yeah. No, but... So, maybe there is something to it. The predator eating the pet. I think so. When I eat bear, I don't know. Well, people do say that when you eat meat, like a lot of people that get on the carnivore dire, one of the things they say is it feels like it ramps up your aggression. Hicks and grace used to say that. Hicks and gracey, when he was training for a fight, he'd eat a lot of red meat. And there's a video of him from the movie Choke of him going to a butcher store and picking out big pieces of solo loin to barbecue.

2:59:56And he would say that a red meat increases your aggression. And he was a guy who was like, he was a yogi, very tuned into his body. Yeah. You know, I think it makes sense. If you're an animal that eats grass, well, you don't really have to be aggressive. No. Because you're not chasing it. You're praying. You're not going after it, you're praying. If you think about vegans, you think of other than being hysterical, which is probably like they're not getting the proper vitamins, not getting B12s, a lot of shit going wrong, and not getting a lot of cholesterol, or shit. But other than that, it's like you would imagine like a calm or peaceful type person, because you're just eating fucking squash.

3:00:31Right. And shit, you know, but I think if you eat things that are difficult to acquire, like elk and deer and bear, I think in it, particularly if you eat predators, it just makes sense that you're consuming some of the essence of what that thing is. And there's so much protein in these wild animals. But it's also because there's so much leaner. That's the thing with like certified peed monties, you know what that is? Certified peed monties is a specific type of cattle that they grow their cattle. It's all free range, they all grass fed, grass finished, and it's very lean, almost like wild game.

3:01:13But it has more protein per ounce than the average beef. And the reason being is because it doesn't have as much fat, it's just logic, it's just science. And if you look at an elk in compared to a cow with cows of so much more fat, so there's like, there's less that's the certified peed monties cow. Can you look up the protein content in meat just so we can see that you get much higher in like, it doesn't have a elk. It's good, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does. I bet it's very high. I haven't seen bear on there. Well it's very fatty, maybe in a fatty cut it wouldn't be as high because you've got the mass of it.

3:01:51If you have 16 ounces of it and 4 ounces of it or fat versus an elk where it's like half an ounce of fat, you're going to have much more protein. But then also the elk is that rich culler. It just looks like a super muscle. Quality, yeah. You just know that this is super fuel is what we call it. Super fuel. Well the difference between grass fed beef and grain fed beef. Where the fuck's bear? They must have it in there. Nope. They don't have it. Well that's just one little thing. What's alligator? Alligators pretty hot. Oh there's a bear over there. Yeah. Okay, let's say there. Boy that's blurry.

3:02:25There's 32 .8. 32 .8. That's the most. Oh my god. Oh my god. As opposed to what's the other ones have for protein? Can you make that? That's really bad. I can't see the rest of the word. You can't get that on it. That's from Vortex's website. There it goes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So protein 33 grams, deer is 38, turkey is 36, moves is 37 and elk is 38. Okay. That's more than I've seen. It's the least. But I think that makes sense because of the amount of fat. Yeah. See the fat though. But that's got to be good fat. You know what I mean? Well they say it's the best fat. Yeah. Like a renella. And it's got the most calories.

3:03:02See that? Oh yeah. I mean, 20 hours. I mean, you cannot beat that fuel. Yeah. It's good fuel for sure. And it's just interesting to me that that was the preferred meat. Yeah. That says a lot. It does. It's survival. Yeah. They're trying to survive. They're not. This isn't a comfort time like it's now. Also bears are probably pretty fucking common back then. You know, if there's no predators of bears like just imagine what they experienced when they first got here. And you know, Native Americans didn't even have horses yet. Right. So they weren't riding horses and chasing after these animals. They probably weren't that effective at diminishing their populations either.

3:03:40Especially when it comes to things like elk and deer and running over the mountains and chasing. Imagine what that was like. Like when Lewis and Clark talked, like if you read the journals from Lewis and Clark when they talk about, they talk about just crazy animals everywhere. I couldn't imagine it. It must have been why. Yeah. It must have been amazing. Yeah. Like what we think of when we think of public land today, high pressure areas, lots of hunters, elk that are scared to bugle. They're going to diminish populations, a lot of trucks on the trail head. Imagine none of that. Imagine zero, just wolves and bears and mountains, deer and elk and antelope and just everywhere.

3:04:23No cities, no use of resources by human beings. So everything is just in its natural state. So anytime there's a place like this area right here where there's a lot of water and that's why there's so many fucking arrowheads here. Mark, I just read was saying that when they started selling the teddy bear to represent Teddy Roosevelt is when people stopped eating them because they're so cute. Why? And Teddy Roosevelt was a fucking beast. He was a big time hunter. Yeah, that's when they stopped eating them. Why people aren't eating it and says I can't sell it and then the biggest reason I figure like this is because it's the Teddy bears.

3:05:04Which has been in before Disney, you know. Same reason but just earlier I guess. It says the whole teddy bear thing was the bambi moment for bears. Makes sense. Well, it makes sense but it's dangerous for people. It's dangerous for people to do that, to put human characteristics on animals and just think that those animals are your friends. Like Jesus Christ. Did you, it's funny that you mentioned the arrowhead. I was running the other day and the day those shoes came out for pre -order but I was running and I was like look down where I run almost every day an arrowhead. Wow. Yeah sticking up out of the ground.

3:05:40Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, well is halfway in the ground. Had it rained recently? No, I mean let me think. I don't think it had. So it might have been sitting there for a long time or a plant. Oh no. It looks real. Like maybe someone knew you run that way. It came, he's got my fake arrowhead. I put it up but it's real one. This is real one. Yeah. Look at that one. That one's perfect. It looked. That is awesome. That one. That is beautiful. Yeah. See where we are now was where the command she used to hunt. That's why you see like these, these streets out here named like Quanta Parker Lane. Yeah, watch this.

3:06:15Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. So that, that's a good one. I know. Oh my god. So I was, I was running and picked it up as I got up there and I said I don't know if it's a sign because of, because of the day of my shoes but it's amazing. I'm just going with the quince at end. You should frame that one. Yeah. You should frame that one. There's some people that say you're supposed to leave them there. To those people I say fuck you. I mean, what are you talking about? Leave them there. I love. I don't know. There's the tradition. The Native American tradition is like an archery specifically. Yeah. I don't know.

3:06:49There's something that just stirs me. I got to be honest though. I wouldn't be comfortable with the size of the cut that little arrowhead's making. Oh yeah. I'm like that. That made me nervous. You got to make a good shot with that thing. But I bet you get a lot of penetration with this. This is a good one right here. Yeah. That's a wall up something big. I decided it was cool. I mean, I really cool. I run that all the way. Look how little that arrowhead is. Yeah. Maybe that was for squirrels or something. I don't know. It looks good though. It does. Doesn't it? It's the amazing craftsmanship.

3:07:18It looks like a bird point. Ah bird point. Oh okay. Probably it wasn't bird point. That makes sense. Yeah. Makes sense because there's a lot of quail. I mean, I run this trail. It's just amazing. That's awesome. Because I ran and I was like, you know how you think you see something. So I ran up and I turned around and I was like, did I just see? I thought it saw a point sticking out. And I went back. Sure as shit. I found one when I was bow hunting with Rinella. I was bow hunting with Rinella in Nevada. Oh. And the high desert country. You guys are mealtier honey. Aren't you? You'll do. Wasn't it fucking tough?

3:07:48It was very tough. Yeah. It was awesome though. It was really cool. Really cool. Really hard tough hunt on public land up there. And it's really interesting. Because you really got to play it carefully. You got to really play the wind. You got to really play when they're betting. You got to creep up on them. I've killed a buck there in the rubies. I crawled. We made our way like about a half a mile to this isolated patch of trees. And I crawled in for like an hour until I got within bow range. And as I'm creeping forward, my bow fell over. Fell over. Fell over. Like I was moving forward and I leaned it up against his back.

3:08:27And it spooked the buck. Because I'm creeping like this. I'm creeping like this. I'm going to put it in. Yeah. Plank. Plank. Yeah. That's not good. I'm sorry. It was horrible. Yeah. I've put crawling like that. I've put it on my back. Like sitting on my back and then I'm just crawling. So I got all like two knees and two hands. Yeah. And it's just kind of sitting resting on my back and then so I can stay low. Sometimes because otherwise you got to keep leapfrogging it. The problem was I was in a corridor. It was like a little trail when he's bushes to the side of it. So it was really good for covers or to creep in.

3:09:03I see. And so I was just putting the bow ahead of me and creeping out and putting the bow ahead of me. Clunk. Yeah. They don't like, I fucked up. They don't like noise like that. It was barefoot. Oh, I had socks on too. I gave a shout out to Randy Omer. Yeah. Randy Omer. Because I know that's where I learned about taking socks off from him talking about or taking your shoes off. There's some, there's certain people out there who have so much of my respect. I mean, I know, I know I talk shit about Steve's brother. I got a lot of respect for Steve or Noah, but Randy Omer was. I got a lot of respect for his brother too.

3:09:34I just think it's, you know, I get, I don't like that. He feels like he's out of, it's hateful. It's unfortunate that he does that, but I think it just feels like he's out of the conversation. Yeah. And then people want to, that'd probably be frustrating too. Yeah. I mean, they have their own opinion on things and they don't think that people are doing it the right way and they have a very ethical stance on things. I get it. Yeah. Now, it's, it's fine. But I was just going to say, Randy Omer is like, was a godfather of archery when I was coming up. You know, he's so good, killed so many good animals, such a great shot.

3:10:06And they're just these legendary figures and he's one of them. He's such an interesting guy to hear talk about it too. So smart. Yeah. So smart. Wasn't he a dentist? A veterinarian. Veterinarian, that's right. So just a very smart guy to begin with and then becomes obsessed with archery. And he was the first guy that I heard of that had like a bunch of different releases. Yeah. So he never knew how it was going to go off so he could never think about it. Yeah. I know. Interesting. I mean, so intellectual, in regard to archery. Yeah. Very measured. Nothing was luck with him. Yeah. It was just like very calculated.

3:10:40But if you ever have time and look up, there's two other guys who died who I think you would just be fascinated by. Paul Schaefer was one, incredible bow hunter out of Montana. And then it called him the last wild man, Bart Schiler, both of them died in the mountains. Roy told me of Bart Schiler. Bart Schiler got eaten by Grizzly, who's some news hunting. But he would make his own bow flint out his own arrowheads and kill animals sheep. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Roy worked with them at Foster's Taxidermian Alaska. And he's just like, he goes, dude, there's this guy Bart. He goes, he's incredible. And if Roy's saying something's incredible.

3:11:26So there's these outliers. Larger than life figures, you know, that that Paul Schaefer, he's got a book called, or somebody wrote a book about him called Silver Tip. And these guys used to shoot 90 or 100 pound recurves. Jesus Christ. Yeah, Silver Tip, Paul Schaefer. That's crazy. 100 pound recurve. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the last wild, that's Bart Schiler right there. So this guy was just a legend. Bart Schiler. Yeah. Right there. Is there any books about these guys? What is that? The last wild man. Is that a story? It's an article at least. An outdoor life. Yeah. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that.

3:12:07Yeah. You never hear. So he worked at the, like I said, worked with Roy, or he worked at Foster's Taxidermian. Roy would go and talk to him. Wow. And it's just crazy. Well, it's, it's always interesting to me that there's people that take a thing like bow hunting and just go way out there with it. Mm -hmm. His way out there. Pass where everybody else is going. And make your own arrows, make your own arrowheads, make your own bow, go hunt moose and get eaten by a grizzly bear. Dude. Is that the guy that you're eating? Yeah. Maybe bring a gun. Maybe bring a gun too. There's something beautiful about going out that way.

3:12:47I think. I mean, it's like he's. I'd rather fucking him. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. He's out li - whoo. He's out living at the highest level and sometimes there's a price to pay. That's true. I mean, he's, he's, Johnny was a schoolboy. Didn't. Well, he's a shooting star. I mean, that's true, but also a say, Keneche. I think he said something like that. So both of them. Yeah. Well, I think that song appeals to Keneche. Yeah. It's like that the hero. Yeah. That's the Joseph Campbell character. The hero's journey. The exceptional one. Right. That everybody, everybody admires. Yeah.

3:13:23That's what everybody wants in some strange way. And even if it's just for yourself, even if you're just one person just to prove to yourself that you're doing something that no one else is doing, there's always these people that do things like that. Whether it's, you know, David Goggins or you or Alex Honald who's climbing mountains with no fucking ropes, there's always these people that are out there pushing the envelope of what's possible. And there's a great value in those people. That's why when someone talks shit about you, I'm like, it's so stupid. It's so dumb because you're discounting all the positive.

3:13:58To for you to have only a negative take on someone like you is foolish or someone like Goggins or someone like Jocco or someone like any anyone who's got an overall net positive effect on people and a positive influence on people. It's just foolish. And it's really that quote. It's the tragic result of unmet needs. That's a lot of it. A lot of us people just they want, they don't like other people being better than them. They don't like other people doing better than them. They don't like that feeling. They don't like the feeling of comparing themselves to someone. It's a natural thing that animals have.

3:14:32It's just human instincts. Now what? We're flawed. I mean, it's. We're all flawed. But as a person, that instinct doesn't serve you. This is what's very important. It's a natural thing. I've had it. I'm sure you've had it. A lot of people get jealous. I struggle with it a lot when I was a young man. But I realize that it's a weakness. I realize it's dangerous because it keeps you from progressing because it puts your energy in a very stupid place that doesn't serve you any purpose at all. It doesn't help you at all to be upset that someone else is successful. But that same success can inspire you instead.

3:15:04If you can get past your initial reactions and your idea, this inclination to be jealous. If you can manage that in your head, if you can conquer that in some way, even if it's like a struggle every day. But if you can get past that and just admire what that person is doing, it will fuel you and it will inspire you. And it will actually provide you with positive energy as opposed to just this bitterness that so many people have. But they just want to sit around and bitch and complain. Nothing drives me crazier than a fat guy with a beer in his hand who's talking shit. Especially one that I know hasn't done anything.

3:15:44It's just like, I know what you're doing, man. I know what you're doing. And you know what you're doing too. And you don't have anybody around you that calls you on it and you don't call yourself on it. So you and your fucking dopey friends, you get together and you do this all the time. And none of you are going anywhere with that attitude. They attract like -minded people. Just like if you're, if your goal is to improve or greatness, you attract those type of people also. Yes. I think so. So the people that you can't stand on surround yourself with people just like that and it's just a big ball of negativity.

3:16:16Yeah. Whereas it doesn't have to be like that because as you said, you might have been like that. I know I was like that, but we're different. You get over it. But it's a, you don't have to like think you're weak because you had it. It's a normal human emotion. It's a normal human reaction. But you just have to realize it doesn't serve you at all. And in fact, it does the opposite. It hurts you. You get angry when you see that person. You get angry when you see that person succeed and you get angry when you see that person on social media like it's foolish. It's so negative. There's nothing positive in it at all.

3:16:49It doesn't help you. And if you change like when I see you winning and see this thing somehow, I feel better. I see you this comedy mothership blowing up everybody just like this excitement and somehow for some reason, I feel like I feel good. Well, that's awesome. I appreciate it. I feel good when you're killing it. I'm so glad you're doing your own podcast now. And I knew it was going to work like this. I tried to fucking talk you into doing this forever. I tried to talk you into quitting that fucking job. Did anybody pastor you more than me? No, no, you, I'll say you were the one. Yeah, I mean, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I believed in myself as much as you believe in me, I would have done a long time ago.

3:17:30I don't believe in myself. You do though. You do. You just, you just need to get moving and then you believe in yourself. It's like it's hard to do new things when you've been doing this one, you have this one job for decades and then all of a sudden you're just going to get rid of it and you have responsibilities and a family and it's a lot involved. But you were at an escape velocity. We're not only is that possible, but it was actually holding you back by not using those resources that you have for that entire day for yourself. And you were making way more money outside of work than you were making from work.

3:18:01That's the time when you're supposed to jet. That's the American success story. Yeah, I just, I just had never thought, I thought that where I was was as good as it was going to get from something like that. Get over it, sonny. It's not. It's proof. Yeah, I fucking got out and you did it and it's killing it and I love it. I'm very happy. And thank you for pushing me. Well, listen brother. Come on, that's what we're here for. Well, and Jamie just had up the website there. If people, I'm going to give away a truck in 10 ,000 bucks. So just go. There you go. Cameron Haynes .com go there. All the videos are up.

3:18:33All the different Derek Wolf. My man, how scary is that guy? That guy probably carried that rock like I carry a hat. He set all my gym records. Of course he did. And I was lifting. I was not doing too bad and he's like not too bad old man. Bro, that's a real Viking. That's what Vikings looked like when they came over with braided beans and the fucking battle ax. I love that guy. He's awesome. He's awesome. But to that, to the whole truck thing is another lesson I've learned from you. I've learned so many and you know, whatever will wrap this up. But the lesson you taught me was that there's enough cake for everyone.

3:19:09I have more than I deserve. I'm giving back just like you've set this example for me. I've seen you change people's lives. And I want that. I want to know what that feels like. It feels great. It's fun to do. It really is. It's fun to help people. I love it. And I love to help talented people. And I love to help good people. It's a good time. It makes it exciting. It feels good for me. I love watching people blow up. I really do. I love watching people make it. I've always have. I've always loved success. I've seen you change people's lives. And it's like it's beautiful. So I mean, you have mine.

3:19:43Thank you. My pleasure. It's a great opportunity to be around people that are so exceptional that just showing other people them would change their life because they are exceptional. You can't change someone's lives with their mediocre. I've tried. You can't do jack shit. You can only do what you could do. But when someone comes along like yourself that is a very unusual and very exceptional person, I think it's important that the world knows that there's people like that out there. There's people like you out there. I think people that think that their effort that they put out is enough. They need to know that there's people like you out there.

3:20:17They need to know that. They need to stop bullshitting themselves. They need to know that there was a guy that was working eight hours a day. There was running 13 miles a day and then lifting it night and then bow hunting and practicing and was the number one bow hunter on the planet. Like they don't even make any sense, but they need to know that. They need to know that. They need to know that. Put your fucking humble pie away. I don't know. We got to get the fuck out of here. I know. I love you brother. I appreciate you very much. Thank you. Goodbye, everybody.