#1999 - Robert Kennedy, Jr.

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34:10My kids got 72 vaccines as what you need now to get through schools. 72 doses of 16 vaccines. So and it started changing in the 80s and 90s but in like 1979 they brought on a vaccine called a diphtherid tetanus and potassium vaccine and that vaccine was very dangerous and it was killing one out of killing or giving severe brain damage to one in 300 kids and it was pulled in the United States. It was pulled in Europe and it but Bill Gates still gives it 161 million African children every year. The same vaccine. Same vaccine and the South Asian kids. And I'll tell you you know we now know what that does because the Danish government did a study called Morganson in 2017 that showed that African kids and that's published in a journal called eBioFarma and it was done by the leading deities of African faxanology.

35:10All of them pro vaccine. People like Peter A .A .B. whose name is very famous. Sigrid Morgan sent it up. Much of others and they went to Africa and looked at that they had 30 years of data and Gates had gone to the Danish government and said you know give us money because we've saved millions of lives with this vaccine in Africa and the Danish government said can you show us the data? He couldn't. So they went to Guinea -Besau which is a country in the west of Africa and Guinea -Besau the Danes for 30 years had been paying for these very advanced health clinics, local health clinics all over Guinea -Besau and the clinics were weighing every child at three months and at six months and in the eighties they began or nine days they began or the eighties they began giving the DTP vaccine at the first visit at three month visit but if they didn't hit the child exactly if they didn't have full 90 days you know of the age if they were 89 days they wouldn't give it to the six month visit as it turns out they had 30 years of data where half the kids were vaccinated and half the kids were not between two months and five months of age so it was a perfect natural experiment and they went in there and they looked at it and they looked at 30 years of data and they found the girls who got that vaccine the DTP vaccine had had ten times over ten times more likely to die over the next three months than girls than children who did not and they weren't dying of DTP their attentiveness and pertusses they were protected against those by the vaccine they were dying of anemia and bilharzia and malaria and pulmonary disease mainly they were dying of pneumonia and what the researcher said is that the vaccine is almost certainly killing more children than DTP their attentiveness and pertusses prior to the vaccine because it was protecting them against the target illnesses but it had ruined their immune systems so they could not defend themselves against these other minor infections and nobody noticed for 30 years that it was the vaccinated children who were disproportionately dying and that's the problem with not doing you know real placebo controlled trials none of the vaccines are ever subjected to true placebo controlled trials it's the only medical product that is exempt from that prior to licensure anyway what happened in the DTP vaccine when it was pulled in this country it was pulled because so many people were pursuing the drug companies why is which is now Pfizer was the primary manufacturer they went to the Reagan administration 1986 and they said you need to give us full immunity from liability for all vaccines or we're going to get out of the business and Reagan actually said to them why they said we're losing 20 dollars in downstream liability for every dollar we're making in profits and Reagan said why don't you make the vaccine safe and they said because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe that's the phrase they use and that it phrase is in the statute and it's also in the Bruceowitz case which is the Supreme Court decision upholding that statute and so anybody who tells you vaccines are safe and effective the industry itself got immunity from the liability by convincing the president and Congress that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe now the argument against that would obviously be they've prevented disease that would have killed untold numbers of children right that would be the argument they would use against that exactly and that vaccine injuries are very rare that is the argument that is used against them and both of those arguments in CDC's own studies have been severely challenged so the CDC did a study in 2010 called Lazarus and it's Harvard scientists who looked at one of the HMOs the Harvard Pilgrim HMO which is one of the top HMOs it's actually I think the ninth biggest HMO but and they were testing a machine counting system that could do a cluster analysis because right now the the only way the only vaccine injury surveillance system they have it doesn't work it's one and one a fewer than one and a hundred vaccine injuries are ever reported because it's voluntary and this is what you can you can find support for this in the Lazarus and Lazarus actually looked and said how many injuries are actually happening how many are reported and they said fewer fewer than one and a hundred have reported and they developed a system of machine counting so there doesn't rely on voluntary reporting what you do is you look at all the vaccine records for a population and all of the medical claims the subsequent medical claims and you do machine counting you do a cluster analysis and you it's very very accurate and they found a CDC at that time saying one out of a million people were being injured by the vaccine they found 137 and so and and CDC had asked this team to design a machine counting system because their their system was so heavily criticized by everybody David Kessler who was a surgeon general everybody was saying it's terrible it doesn't work and Congress had told them you have to accurately count vaccine injuries and they weren't doing it so when they did it when they actually looked they found that it's not one and a million 137 kids had you know had potential vaccine claims now you can't tell whether any of those claims were actually from the vaccine because it's a machine counting so it's statistical but you can say at the number of injuries is much higher than anybody was admitting and then in the year 2000 CDC did a study with Johns Hopkins called Gire because there was this emerging claim that vaccines had saved tens of millions of lives around the world and I'm not going to tell you that they don't because nobody should trust my word on this you know what I say is irrelevant what is relevant as a science and this is that the principal effort by CDC to actually verify that claim and what the Gire study and they looked at all the you know the history of each vaccine and health claims and what they were trying to say is there there was this huge decline in infection in mortality from infectious disease that took place in the 20th century 80 % drop in deaths from infectious disease and what caused that was in vaccines and what they said is now it was it had very little almost nothing to do with vaccines the real drop happened because of really engineering solutions refrigerators you could store food transportation systems that would get oranges up from Florida etc the roads better housing sanitation the invention of chlorine sewage treatment mainly nutrition nutrition is absolutely critical of building immune systems and so what was really killing these children was malnutrition and you know it was the infectious disease that was kind of knocking them off at the end but the real cause of death was malnutrition and a collapse immune system and that is what the Gire study says now you anybody who's listening to this you know you can go look at this study so don't blame me and don't say you know Kennedy's and denial this is the only time CDC ever looked at this and it's called GUIER it's published as I recall in pediatrics and it's CDC and and I and Johns Hopkins in the year 2000 and I believe the study is true and that it and it's born out by many many others there's another study from 1977 called McGinley and McGinley and it was and that study also said that fewer than 1 % of the decline in infectious mortality does could be attributed to vaccines so and that that study was required reading in almost every medical school in this country until the mid -1980s so anyway that I'm just saying that that orthodoxy thing you just described it's it's not an orthodoxy that should be accepted on faith people should actually look at it and when they have it has not born up I just finished this story and I'll try to be brave in because why because Reagan caved in and it wasn't just Reagan it was the Democrats my uncle was cheering the health committee at that time and the Democrats also went along they passed the vaccine act in 1986 and the vaccine act gave immunity from liability to all vaccine companies if you for any injury for negligence no matter how negligent you are no matter how reckless your conduct no matter how toxic the agreement how shotally tested or manufactured the product no matter how grievous your injury you your vaccine company you cannot be sued of this was a huge gift for this industry because the the biggest cost for every medical product is downstream liabilities and all of a sudden those it disappeared so you're not only taking away that cost but you're all and incentivizing the production of many new vaccines you're also dis incentivizing you're removing the incentive to make them safe because there no matter how dangerous there are they don't care because they can't be sued and then then but you may say well if they're really dangerous uh nobody's gonna buy them but the problem with that is nobody has a choice are they not only got rid of the the downstream liability but they don't have any advertising on marketing costs because the federal government is ordering 76 million people essentially ordering 76 million kids to take the product a year if you can get that on the schedule it's like printing a billion dollars for you and so there was a gold rush and then the other thing is there they are exempt from pre -licensing safety testing they don't have to be tested and they're not and I said this for many many years you know I said not one of these 72 vaccines has ever been tested pre -licensing in a placebo controlled trial where you're looking at vaccinated first and vaccinated kids and looking for a health outcomes never been done and on Tony Fauci was saying he's lying he's not telling the truth this is vaccine misinformation and 2016 Donald Trump asked me to serve on a vaccine safety commission and I agreed to do it and I and he then ordered Fauci and Collins to meet with me and you know Peter Marx had FDA and all he had so I had meetings with all these guys and I actually went into that meeting with Fauci with uh uh with three people one was Dell big dream another one was Aaron Seary the attorney and another one was Lynn Redwood who's uh you know a very very famous nurse practitioner public health official in Georgia and during that meeting there was a referee there from the White House in the West Wing and I said to Fauci I give kind of a lecture showing what we knew and I said to him in the middle of it I had a PowerPoint I said Tony you have said and by the way you know he's known my family forever and you know my uncle was chair of the health committee writing his salary every year everything else like that some and you know and very cooperative relationship with them the two of the centers there and I age are named for members of my family for unit striver and my aunt my grandmother so you know I said to him Tony you've said been telling people I'm a liar when I say no vaccine has ever been none of the mandated vaccines what they call recommended they're actually mandated in many of the states like none of them have ever been tested against uh in a placebo controlled trial and a safety test prior to to licencer and I said can you show me one vaccine that has been subject to a safety test show me one study that shows that and he made it this show of looking through a red well they had brought in from NIH this big tray full of file folders and he made a show of kind of looking through that at the time but he couldn't find whatever he was looking for so then he said it's back in NIH and Bethesda and I'll send it to you well he never did so Aaron and I sued him sued HHS and I said show us one study that's ever been done on you know pre -licensing safety testing for vaccines and after a year of stone stone walling they finally gave us a letter and said we don't have any so they don't they literally don't have any so nobody knows what the risk profile for these products are so they're telling people they they they have heard more harms than they saw it and then they cause but there's no science behind that statement it's just a you know it's just a guesswork but it's an amazingly effective narrative and that narrative the way it's spread through this country like I said it's gotten me and I think it gets a lot of people and that people are terrified of being called an anti -vaxxer it's a it's a very dismissive pejorative it's a very bad term and if someone calls you like always one of those and it's it's a kind of amazing what they've done especially in a world where we're very aware of the side effects that were hidden from the public with other drugs whether it's opiates or whether it's viox or we're very aware that deception is taking place but for this one for whatever reason that one I think maybe it has to do with protecting children because good parents who don't you know they they want to trust science and they want to think that medical science is the reason why people live so well today and a lot of that's true but they want to think that it's all connected and that they don't know what they're doing so if they say you're supposed to get 72 shots you should get 72 shots because they they really know yeah and everybody and you think you're talker to the research but yeah and you're absolutely right about the opioids I mean that there's many many other examples but the opioids is a good one because if anybody goes and looks at that that Netflix documentary doapsic yeah that document to you right what is it hello hello that documentary shows how this you know the all of these subtle forces that lead to agency capture and the and the and the this collusion this corrupt collusion between the industry and the regulatory later because it was the regulator who agreed to put on the labels FDA who agreed to put on the label it's safe and effective and it's not addictive you know about oxycodone which is and right and everybody knew it was addictive you had the entire medical community who said oh we must have been wrong because FDA says it's safe and effective oh you can imagine if they did that for vaccines and then you saw what they did in COVID you know and they had to continually change the cold pose it prevents transmission if you get it grandma won't get sick and you know and each time it won't you'll never get sick you know you only have to take one it's really effective and then now it's two and that's it now it's three and now it's four and you know and that and each time they had to move the cold pose and everybody just would go along with the next claim without ever saying but wait a minute you know why should we trust you now because you were you know you you were saying was sudden and by the way the defense is well they were were in the middle of pandemic and they had to act quickly but um and you know they had to sort of do some guesswork but they were saying it was such assurance and they were punishing doctors of conscience who began questioning them they were ruining their careers they were destroying their reputations they were taking away their livelihoods of scientists and doctors people who were getting injured they were um you know they were marginalizing vilifying gas lighting them and urging others to do the same you know getting on TV and saying if you didn't do this you're a bad person and you shouldn't be treated when you go to a hospital you know and all of these things which is not it something was went you know something was really wrong but it's it seems to be the same pattern over and over again it's just bizarre that it takes so long to get the narrative out to people that when you get a corporation any corporations any group of people that can make money unchecked it seems to be a normal human characteristic that they do that when they're unregulated or unchecked or when someone's not watching them or in the people that are watching them are compromised and then if you were literally funding media so you're funding all the shows by and they have to essentially self censor and you're seeing it I'm sure you're aware of the YouTube videos of yourself that have been pulled now you know the hot box and with Mike Tyson got pulled Theo Vaughn's podcast and got pulled you know really worried about a static saying because I was going to go on a show again and he said I'm worried about having you on my show and this is just two weeks ago and what was well he's probably worried about getting another strike from you yeah so what was the subject that you guys discussed that was such a problem you know I don't even know he just he said and then somebody did an article on it on what happened to him yeah there was I think it's a place called free press at an article but it was an old you know it was an old it was weird because it was a it was a discussion I've been on his show a bunch of times but it was something that we did during the pandemic and they let it stand yeah it was it was up for quite a while it was up for a long time and he called me like two or three weeks ago and he was like shaken and because I he he said to me why don't you come on again and you know I love him and his podcast really fun and it's really close to my house and I get a really good response from it he is kind of a very interesting audience I think he's got a big overlap with you but you know he it's it's really he's such a pleasant guy yeah I love him death he's out here now yeah oh he uh he uh so I I was looking forward to going on his podcast what he called me and was like I don't think we can do it because I you know I'm worried about my livelihood yeah yeah uh that's where the self -sensoring kicks in and so did they give many indication of what the subject was I don't know he was trying to find out from them and I don't think they were being that forthcoming what did you guys discuss did you could discuss COVID we had all the big we had a long discussion we did one that was almost entirely on the falconry one uh falconry well you know the one I went on Mike Tyson I spent a lot of it talking about pigeons because I used to raise homing pigeons and that's really why I wanted to go on his show because I knew he was a pigeon fan see a pigeon guy wow and then uh yeah and Theo started for Theo found out that I you know train awks and he he was interested in that he's like a hunter and you know tend to see and and so we ended up talking a lot about that I don't remember if we talked about vaccines but we must have at some point yeah but that uh that kind of self -sensoring is uh it seems to have ramped up and they that when I said like I said they deleted the Mike Tyson episode they deleted the the Theo Vaughn episode I don't I'm not aware of any other ones are you aware of any other ones that got taken down as well well I mean anything I put up goes comes down but yeah yeah I mean we're you know I'm I'm I'm heavily censored like let me can I just finish the kind of the vaccine sag and because you let me talk so long already and I really don't want to talk about this talk about other stuff but I'll just finish this what happened in the in around 1999 that the vaccine scheduled immediately after they passed the vaccine exploded because all these companies were rushing to get new vaccines onto this schedule many of them for diseases that weren't even casually contagious like ridiculous diseases that are in that like appetite is be why would you give the you get the appetite is be from you know from sharing needles or from like going to a really seasoned prostitute or from uh from um you know sort of compulsive um um sexual behavior oh you but a baby but the a baby can get it if they get it from it their mom but every mom is tested so you know at the hospital every mom every pregnant woman is tested for it so the baby doesn't need this is there a treatment for when they do get it yeah but but the thing is why would you give it to a one day old baby you know a three hour old baby and then four more times when that baby's not going to be even subject to it for 16 years and it may not even you know I mean originally what happened is Merck and CDC designed this for prostitutes and for male homosexuals promiscuous male homosexuals and they couldn't sell any because those cohorts had other better things to do with their money and they didn't you know they weren't going to buy the vaccine oh CDC my my Merck went back to CDC and said we built all these plants and we got the thing and got it approved and we were you know a billion dollars in what are you going to do in CDC said we'll just recommend it for children and that way they keep that what they call the warm production lines you know they keep they keep the vaccine they they like to have a lot of vaccines in case there's emergency they have a lot of lines out there that they can you know manufacture a pandemic response on this is what they say so anyway all of these new crazy diseases rotavirus and you know we're all put on the schedule and and they and then they started seeing all of this explosion and chronic disease and particularly autism so around 1995 CDC Congress said to EPA one year to the autism epidemic began and EPA is a captured agency but it's captured by the coal industry and the oil and the pesticide industry but not by the pharma because it doesn't regulate pharma so it actually did a real science and it said 1989 is the year the epidemic began it's a red line and 1989 was the year the vaccine schedule exploded that doesn't mean that's a correlation it does not mean causation but it is something that should be looked at so and and NIH decided to look at it because women were saying it was the vaccine again and again and again and again and again and again and again women were coming with the same story I I had a perfectly healthy two -year -old exceeded all my this milestones I gave them on their second birthday or 18th month wellness visit the full battery of six array vaccines and the and that child spikes a fever that night I had a seizure and over the next three months loses their language lose their capacity make eye contact to finger point social interactions and languages disappear and it happens so many times that NIH was saying we got a look to see if it's the vaccine and CDC was so CDC hired a

1:01:10Belgian epidemiologist named Thomas Verstraton and they opened up the vaccine safety data link which is the biggest database for vaccines for HMOs all the the top 10 HMOs have all their records in there so they have all your vaccination records and all your health claims so you can do these kind of closer analyses and Verstraton went in there and he looked at one thing he looked at children who got the hepatitis B vaccine within their first month of life and and compared those health outcomes in children who did not in other words children who got it after 30 days or didn't get it at all that was the second cohort what he found in his first run through the data is there was an 1135 percent greater or elevated risk for an autism diagnosis among the kids had gotten it in their first 30 days at that point they knew what caused the autism epidemic because a relative risk they it's it's called a relative risk of 11 .35 a relative risk of two is considered proof of causation as long as there's biological plausibility a relative the relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes is a for 20 years and getting one cancer is 10 this was 11 .35 so there was a panic throughout the industry this you know as people heard about this study the CDC I wanted to a meeting with all of the big panjarrams of the industry but they didn't want to do it on CDC campus because then they thought it would be a subject to have freedom of information law requests they wanted to do it to keep it secret so they they found this retreat center a methodist retreat center in North Crosswood Georgia called Simpsonwood and they assembled I think there was 72 people there and they were from the WHO CDC NIH FDA um and all the vaccine companies and all the big academics the people who basically developed vaccines in the academic institutions and they were all there and they spend the first day they they give them all a copy of the first rent study but they have to give it all back because they don't want it out there and then they have a day of talking about it where they're all saying holy cow this is real and you know the lawyers are going to come after us this we're all in trouble and then they spend the second day talking about how to hide it and um how do you know this because somebody made it recording of it and I got a hold of the transcripts and I published excerpts from those transcripts and rolling some and anybody can go and read these now on our website it's called Simpsonwood and you can read through all the thing or you can read my Rolling Stone article uh which is also on the website which summarizes it and uh but anyway and check you know if that if you think it's true or not who's scoring big in the NBA this season you are playing daily fantasy at draft kings an official partner of the NBA playing daily fantasy is easy draft a lineup stay under the salary cap and watch your team rack up the points for baskets rebounds assist and more take it to the rack with draft 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that's zip recruiter dot com slash rogan zip recruiter the smartest way to hire but they so then I when I read that when I read that then I was like okay I got it like drop everything and do something about this and I published this article in Rolling Stone and I you know and I was kind of shocked by that just the power of the reaction against it of people you know coming out of Rolling Stone and Salon which also published and were just bulldozed with you know these hate reactions and then and salon six years later six year for the day by by the way on there were four corrections I think four or five corrections in the article in the next week right all of those corrections were made by the are the editors of salon and Rolling Stone and they've sent me letters which are also on our website saying this none by me but from then on they said oh Kennedy it was loaded with mistakes and six years later salon under pressure from the pharmaceutical industry takes it down and says we found mistakes but they never showed any mistakes they wouldn't have never I've said repeatedly to them show me one mistake and that published piece show me one and they have not been able to do it and then they also forget that the four mistakes that they that you know we're found that you know that's that we printed a rata for that Rolling Stone printed a rata for we're all made by them and that because they added in my 16 ,000 word piece down to a 3 ,000 word piece and when they were doing that they made some errors so then so then you but what what happened after that is you had this explosion and chronic disease so did so and this is something everybody this is the punchline and this is what everybody needs to focus on in 1960s when I was a kid six percent of Americans had chronic disease what do I mean by chronic disease basically three categories plus obesity one neurological disorder is ADD ADHD speech delay language delay ticks to red syndrome narcolepsy ASD autism autism went from one in 10 ,000 in my generation it's still one in 10 ,000 in my generation how old are you 55 I bet you've never met anybody with full blown autism your age you know head banging football or helmet on non toilet day train nonverbal I mean I've never met anybody like that my age but in my kids age now one in every 34 kids has has autism and half of those are full blown meaning that description now what's the conventional explanation for that well I mean there's no real explanation you know how do they try to they try to say well we're just noticing it more which is ridiculous because first of all there's all kinds of studies that say that the you know really good studies like uh over here hurts my child it was a very famous scientist epidemiologist bio statistician who was commissioned by the California state legislature to answer that question she's at the UC at the mind Institute of UC Davis and she came back and said no the the epidemic is real it's not you know better diagnostic or changing diagnostic criteria and so and that you know any real scientist now even the big backers like pull off it won't I don't think even he will say that but nobody from CDC is actually going to stand up and say that they certainly won't debate the point but even more so if if it's one if if it's not an epidemic then where are all where are the one in 34 69 year old man who are wearing helmets and non toilet trained you know if you got autism you live forever it doesn't affect life span you're gonna these kids are gonna be around forever and they and but there's nobody my age who looks like that so if it was if it was really better recognition you see it in every age group not just in children not only that but it changes every year it gets worse and worse every year so they can't keep saying oh we're just noticing it for the first time and also you know how does it get worse every year what how does it get worse every year because you know the the the CDC releases new data it's called the I think it's an ATM it's a monitoring system and there's been all kinds of scandals with that because the CDC tries to manipulate the data and there's all kinds of whistleblowers from the different states who say that they're pressured to not report cases and that kind of thing so but the CDC releases new data every year and every year it gets worse it's it goes from you know it's now I think one and 22 boys has the rate of vaccinations change as a schedule of the rates of vaccinations have gone up and you know the mercury has been removed from a lot of the vaccines but there's aluminum in those vaccines which you know operates along the same biological pathways and does the same kind of damage it's extremely neurotoxic and then there's other things lots of other toxics in the vaccines that you know it could be responsible I mean there's lots there's hundreds and hundreds of excited looks at it but nobody ever reports them I did a book in which I I have 450 studies that are digested in that book you know that I summarize and cite and 14 hundred references and everybody will say oh there's no study that shows autism and vaccines are connected that's just crazy you know it's that's people are not looking at science so anyway but they want to say that they want to say that it's like it's just part of the religion yes exactly what it is yeah it really does seem like and then the heretics have to be burned at the stake yes the humiliated silence destroyed oh it is it you know trust in the trust the experts is not a function of science that's the opposite of science trust trust trusting the experts is a function of religion it's not an end totalitarianism especially function of science or democracy you know in democracy you question people in authority and and maintain a posture of skepticism toward them the same is true in science you don't trust the experts right but but it wasn't all the experts either that was part of the problem the experts that did including Robert Malone these guys are maligned in such an obvious and slanted in such a like a blatant way yeah well you know when I when I when they first started saying trust the experts I was saying where do they get that from I've been litigating for 40 years every case I have there's experts on both sides so when we brought them on Santa case they had experts from Yale Stanford and Harvard and we had experts from Yale on our side Stanford and Harvard and they both said completely different things from each other and they were totally credible oh that's why you know on the jury decided that our experts were right and their experts were wrong the idea you can trust the experts experts get biased too you know you pay expert enough money and a lot of them will say whatever you want them to say and I and the people who were saying this at the top had a lot of money and power at state you know anyway so I'm almost finished the autoimmune to the second category is autoimmune diseases and but all those neurological disease explode in 1989 as I say autism just exponentially exposed and if you're my age and you're listening to this you know and I know you got a younger demographic but you will remember that you didn't know anybody who looked like this when you were you know in school we didn't know kids who had diabetes we didn't know kids who had happy pants the autoimmune diseases like diabetes juvenile diabetes rheumatoid arthritis lupus Crohn's disease all this stuff suddenly I didn't know any of these disease when I was a kid but they existed when you were a kid that was some of them did some of them but you know they were so rare I mean even like the allergic disease I didn't know anybody who had a peanut I 11 siblings like 71st cousins and you know I never and a lot a lot of friends I never knew anybody with a peanut allergy why do five of my seven kids allergies you know it's it and of course we know why as aluminum adjuvants give you allergies they're designed to make you you know to create a hyper immune response to to you know to form particles and the last category is yeah the allergic disease is peanut allergies food allergies eczema which I never knew anybody with eczema when I was a kid I never asthma I knew people with asthma when it wasn't one in every four black kids like it is today so you know all of those things now we went from six percent of American having chronic disease by 1986 we're starting to add the vaccines and we got an 11 .8 percent of kids now so it's doubled I 2006 54 percent these are kids who are permanently disabled and they're they have to be on medication they're all lives so we have this sickest generation history there's no other country in the world that has this kind of chronic disease epidemic we have the biggest chronic disease and of course this is one of the reasons we had the highest death rate during COVID because we have the highest chronic disease burden in the world and you know listen it's not just the vaccines and I never have said that it there are children are swimming around in a toxic soup what we can say is most of it started in 1989 and there are only a certain there's a finite number of culprits that you can point to and say this talk it has to come from a toxic exposure because genes don't cause epidemics they can provide a vulnerability but you need a toxic exposure what is it is it you know it could be glyphosate it could be neonicatoid pesticides it could be PFOAs which are the flame retardants that became ubiquitous you know around that same timeline it could be cell phones you know it could be on Wi -Fi radiation so there's a certain what isn't that very unlikely it could be ultrasound yeah yeah of course well I you know I think the Wi -Fi radiation is a lot worse than people think it is but you know I don't think also well Wi -Fi radiation does all kinds of bad things including causing cancer Wi -Fi radiation causes you out from your cell phone I mean there's cell phone tuners tumors you know that I mean I'm representing hundreds of people who have cell phone tuners behind the ear it's always on the ear that you favor with your cell phone oh um and you know we have the science oh if anybody lets us from a jury they it will be over you know what is it what is the number because a lot of people there's a lot of people with it they're clioblastomas that's the kind of cancers that they get a cancer's not the worst thing they also you know it opens up Wi -Fi radiation opens up your blood brain barrier and so all these toxins that are in your body can now go into your brain well how does Wi -Fi radiation open up your blood brain barrier yeah now you're going beyond my my expertise I know but what there are there are I'm going to use a number here and you're going to think it's hyperbole but it's not there are tens of thousands of studies that show there are horrendous danger of Wi -Fi radiation and so this is Wi -Fi like that's in this room yeah it's Wi -Fi it's Wi -Fi like you should not be sleep and you should not let your kids carry their cell phones on their brass particularly a woman because they're associated with the brass you know they shouldn't be holding the brass pocket if you have to put them in your you know butt pocket you should not be having them near near your head when you're sleeping you know you need to get away and you should never put a next your head you should always I like I will never put this next my head I put it on I you know I put it on speaker phone or user phones but you know I won the case in front of on this issue I'm suing FCC and FDA about it and and you know and the court sided with me so now they're gonna have to go back to the drawing board and do it but the Russians you get Russians no more about Wi -Fi radiation than they they they developed this weapon and a lot of the really good science came out of Russia and you know the Russians won't let kids use cell phones and kindergarten or you know in grade school a lot of the schools in Russia don't let cell phones in there because of the danger and the levels of radiation that they allow from cell phones is like one one hundredth of what and I don't know exactly what it is you know so that's the number people shouldn't hold me to but it's it's it is a tiny fraction of what we allow in this country so the Wi -Fi radiation is obviously different than cell phone radiation so you're talking about people that are just in a room with Wi -Fi are being exposed to something and people and you know people have different sensitivities to it some people are extremely sensitive they become completely debilitated from it and really oh yeah we have a Wi -Fi yeah we have a woman who who was who developed an allergy to Wi -Fi she was in a Israeli defense forces and she was in their cyber warfare unit oh she was in a room with it all the time and suddenly she developed our and she's a brilliant lawyer and she's one of the leaders of you know in this movement to get to make sure that they don't put Wi -Fi antennas on elementary schools which they're doing now there's no control over where people put these antennas and um and so what do you think Wi -Fi is doing to us since it's everywhere and since everyone's experiencing including you what do you think it's doing I think it degrades your mitochondria and it you know opens your blood brain barrier do you do you see anything online how it could open up your blood brain barrier I don't know about how but I I mean I don't I found an article I was trying to find the validity of it but it has a statement on here damn it's the blood brain barrier radio frequency radiation exposure has been shown to affect the permeability of the blood brain barrier as well as altering the expression of microRNA within the brain which researchers state could lead to adverse effects such as neurodegenerative disease whoa how come we don't know that there's a doctor that did a study and said that it's been expanded on researchers in China and there's a published article here but I was looking around on the page and they call it leaky brain the findings were followed by suppression misinformation and a shutdown of government -funded research in the United States is the same is same play oh we got to get rid of Wi -Fi what the fuck Jamie yeah oh my god that's terrible but I'm not I don't know you know I can't tell you where the chronic disease epidemic I think it's probably cumulative there's a lot going on there's a lot just our kids are swimming around in a toxic soup but you know we're now up to more than 54 % of kids now have chronic disease and you know I mean one of the things the reason I want to be president is to end that of NIH actually doing studies like this rather than suppressing them and let's figure out what it is why kids have chronic disease and end it it's causing us I mean we had during COVID we had we have 4 .2 % of the global population we had 16 % of the COVID deaths and that's probably a lot of reasons for that but one of the reasons has got to be the burden that we have of chronic disease in our country and we've been $4 .3 trillion on healthcare every year in this country 80 % of that goes to chronic disease oh it's you know it's bankrupting us I wanted to talk to you about glyphosate because you brought it up and one of the things I noticed when there was a test that came out or a study that came out recently that showed that an enormous percentage of Americans it was somewhere in the 90 % range when they were tested had glyphosate in their blood and then I saw a bunch of apologists online that were saying that these numbers that they're used to detect are so minuscule and then someone I talked to said yes but that is the average so you're going to get some people that are exposed to tremendous amounts and that it could be toxic levels then some people who are exposed to very very little this is the average but there's no data on is there data on long -term even low dose glyphosate in your system because it there there's glyphosate we should we should just tell people is yeah glyphosate is the is the active ingredient of Roundup and Roundup was used I mean when we sued Monsanto there's a there's there's there's many many diseases that are linked to glyphosate exposure including non -alcoholic fatty liver cancers are very very closely linked a lot of kidney diseases and then severe damage to the microbiome because it's designed to kill plants

1:25:37and it and there are there are structures in your in your gut biome that are critical structures in your gut biome which have plant -like metabolism which are destroyed by glyphosate and so you know what what happened is glyphosate and glyphosate was a it was originally developed as a tank scalant so to scale the calcium calcium and other deposits metal deposits rest deposits from the inside of you know underground tanks and in 1973 Monsanto had to stop producing DDT because you know we pass the laws at that time and that was its flagship product and needed another product and I figured out that glyphosate somebody at some point apparently threw some glyphosate on the you know out in the back in the yard and everything green died where they touched it where it touched the glyphosate and so somebody said oh this will be a good herbicide because it kills all plants originally Monsanto developed it as a as a as a herbicide but the way that it was applied initially from 1973 to 1993 was in backpack sprayers okay as we walked down the cornfield cornrows early in the season when the corn was competing with nearby weeds for sunlight and they would shoot the individual weeds and then in 93 somebody figured out a way that that glyphosate that there was certain bacteria that glyphosate would not kill and they said we could take a gene out of that bacteria and put it into a corn seed and develop a corn that cannot be killed by glyphosate so they developed round up ready corn and that corn you can pour glyphosate all over it and it will do nothing to it so now you could fire all of those workers who were expensive and you hire one airplane and they fly over the fields they saturate the entire landscape with glyphosate everything dies except the round up ready corn and within a couple of years round up ready corn was now on 90 % of the corn 95 % of the corn in the United States is now round up ready corn and so but it was still being and then they developed it for soybean and for and for barley for sorghum for a lot of other plants but it was still being applied early in the season and then in 2000 around 2006 they discovered that if you sprayed it on wheat late in the season it would desiccate the wheat in other words it would dry it out and one of the big losses for farmers in wheat is if it rains during the harvest season you can't harvest it because it gets moldy and so if you can spray a desiccate on it and dries it out and kills it you can harvest it right away and it won't get moldy so all the wheat in our country started being sprayed that year in 2006 with glyphosate and that's the year you saw this explosion of celiac diseases and you know gluten allergies and all of this stuff that people you know you may have noticed around that but they also the first time they were and excuse me the first time they're they're spraying it directly on food because used to be they were spraying it early in the season and it would you know it would wash off and the corn would get higher than the weeds and you wouldn't have to do it better but now they're spraying it directly on our food sorry okay no it's okay um so they when they when they started doing this as there's a direct result like you can see the increase in celiacs disease you can see is this like documented well no these are no that's not documented I mean but these are there are there's a whole range of disease that are now you know that people are the science different levels of science have linked to glyphosate exposure here's a thing and when you litigate you when you when you're suing somebody for a chemical exposure you have to go through a a threshold called the dowelbert hearing and the dowelbert hearing is a hearing that says is there sufficient science that it's now considered kind of mainstream that we can show this to a jury and the judge has to make that decision because the judge doesn't want people saying you know coming in and saying you know a loud noise has made me crazy right right you there has to be before and then a good attorney might be able to convince a jury that yeah this is my client a crazy because he heard loud noise so the judge needs to make a threshold decision about whether there's sufficient science to show a jury and that is a very high threshold so of all of the diseases that are probably caused probably almost certainly caused by glyphosate the only one to pass that threshold was the case that we bought for for Hodgkin non Hodgkin's lymphoma so at that point we had enough rat studies enough human studies we had about 10 of each and we were able to go to the judge and say this we got enough science on this now to show that it's that that non Hodgkin's lymphoma is being caused by glyphosate so that those were the only case that we brought the other thing but there are a lot of you know really interesting studies that show links between injuries to children and the and the amount of glyphosate and a woman's urine and the mothers urine you know including a lot of including sexual development that's an edge grind disruptor so um you know similar to thalates like thalates are an endocrine disruptor probably the most disturbing endocrine disruptor and this is something we should all be looking at is an atrazine yeah because atrazine which is now ubiquitous it's everywhere but you can take atrazine and you know this you what is his name Jamie Jamie you can look up you can look up this study I think the guy the scientist name is Tyler I think and that might be his first or second name but they took atrazine and they put it in a tank with 40 frogs for three years they put it below the exposure levels that EPA considers acceptable to humans and 30 of those frogs they were all male frogs and they were double Z you know male frogs so they were super males and 30 of those frogs were chemically castrated four of them turned into females and produce fertile eggs so they took male frogs gave them atrazine 10 % of them turned into female and produce fertile eggs and we're subjecting our children to exposure to that every day what is atrazine is in the water it's a it's a pesticide here it is report toxic herbicide found in many Texans drinking water that's it that's from 2018 November 20th yeah and what you know what does this do to sexual development children nobody knows we know what it does the frogs yeah but you know nobody knows what that does to you know what it's doing those kind of persistent exposures would do to our children yeah it's terrifying so atrazine microplastics all those things are having an effect a similar effect on reproductive systems yes yeah we had Dr.

1:34:03Shannon Swan who wrote that book count down that's all about this about the declining fertility rates the higher rates of miscarriage with women yeah um what does this bid like for you because up until those women came to to see you speak your your life had been I mean obviously you went through a lot with your father being assassinated with your uncle being assassinated you being a part of this very public both in service and in just being famous family and then you take on this thing and even members of your own family sort of disavowed your opinions and attacked you for it and what I find remarkable genuinely is the way you have been able to communicate with people who approach you with this erroneous idea of what you stand for and that you can just rationally have a conversation with them and saying if I'm wrong I'd like you to tell me where I'm wrong and those conversations are fascinating it's because people just want to shut you down they just want to stop talking about it if they don't want to give you the time like you just have to lay all this out it's a thing people don't want to believe what does that like to be a person who carries around a thing that people don't want to believe but that seems to be true um first of all I want to say this that what you let me do just now which probably lost a lot of your listeners because nobody wants to listen to no no no I do not think that's true at all but I I'm so grateful to you because you know for 18 years nobody's let me do that I mean I actually chance to let me do that in 2005 and uh you can go look at his um his uh and and Scarborough Joe Scarborough on you know in 2005 when my article came out and that was it and then they were and they immediately a week later were disavowing me oh yeah and you've been like a hero I mean you're an institution that's kind of a critical institution of this era uh because um you you know you've allowed you've maintained this little island of free speech in a you know in a sort of a desert of suppression and and and of critical thinking which is you know you've been a champion of critical thinking my uncle when my my on jag he met my uncle um uh jack john canatee she he was a senator and and a confirm bachelor and she was a um she was a reporter a journalist and she did this kind of man on the street interviews um with people these kind of quick kind of interview and she asked him what his best quality was and she expected him to say courage because he'd been a warrior oh and he had written a book and run a Pulitzer Prize for Profiles in Courage but the answer that he he gave it was curiosity and I think that is the quality that made him a great president because he was able to put himself in other people's shoes he had a level of empathy about other humans where he was always thinking about what it would be like you know why would people do things that um and act in certain ways including Gruchev and Castro and when he when he had conversations and exchanges with those people um he was able to put himself in their shoes and it actually is most important to speech was the uh the speech he gave 60 years ago three days ago it was at the 60 year of the 60 of the June 10th of um I'm not in 1963 and it was the speech in American university about um about uh trying to persuade Americans to change their minds because they were universally against the nuclear atmospheric test band treaty that he was trying to push and that speech turned the country around it was one of the most important impactful speeches in history and in that speech he told Americans what it was like to be Russian it was the strange speech and you know because I was raised and most Americans of that era were raised thinking that we won world war two and he said to them you know we believe this I was watching combat thick maro with combat you know every week with my brothers it was all about how the Americans won and he said that's not what happened the Russians one who are and they paid in a way that no nation should ever have to pay one and every seven Russians died you know at Hitler's hands and a third of the Russian he said imagine if America every city and every building was levels from the East coast to Chicago that's what happened to Russia and he said he was talking Americans you know they they're not evil they're having a rational reaction when they develop a nuclear bomb they don't want to be invaded again and we have to somehow make them feel safe if we're going to have peace in this in this world it was just a beautiful beautiful speech and um it came I think because he had that gift of curiosity and you know you have that and I think um and you have this love for critical thinking and this admiration you have this parade of people on here you know like the Weinstein's and all these other people who are thinking out of the box and who are not um subsumed in in orthodoxies but are able to break away from those orthodoxies and you know and and have come and and see the humanity and everybody and everything and it's beautiful so I think when the history of this time is written that you're you will have a um the role that you played in it you know and if we manage to get our way out of this kind of totalitarian trajectory I think a lot of that will be you know because of what you did I um in the answer to your question this is a roundabout answer but my about a week before no about two weeks before he died my father gave me a book and the book was uh book by Kamu um who was one of his favorite writer my father after my uncle's death went through a period of kind of reassessment of his own sort of relationship with God and with the Catholic Churchman religion and he never rejected the Catholic Church he always embraced it but he began to look for meaning in other areas in poetry and in Shakespeare and uh and particularly in the existentialist so he and one of the existentialists was Kamu and Kamu had written this book called the plague my father gave it to me and he told me with this kind of peculiar intensity I want you to read this and he had given me always gave me stuff to read poetry and stuff but he said this with this with this directness that after he died I ended up reading that book about three times trying to figure out kind of what the message was that he was you know he was trying to give me and um and the book is about a doctor who is in a city in North Africa where there is an unnamed plague ravaging the city it's a walled city and it's quarantined and the city is the plague is something nobody's ever seen before and most of the people get it are dying it's a huge infection fatality rate and this is and a lot of the book the beginning is this conversation that doctors having to himself as he's locked you know in his room and he's he's trying to say I don't want to go out there because if I go out there I'm going to catch it and I can't really help these people anyway because we don't know you know anything about this is we don't know how to treat it and everybody gets it dies so why you know why don't I just stay here and wait it out and then in the end he ends up leaving and he he ends up just comforting people and uh and they you know they uh chemo was an existentialist which are kind of the legatees of the of the Greek and um and Roman tradition of stoicism and what he was saying about this doctor is the doctor had brought order to the chaos of this what was happening in the city through by doing his own duty and going out and how I'm being a service to other people even at great sale at the sacrifice to himself and the the kind of the iconic hero of stoicism is cysophus and cysophus is is condemned by the gods because he does a good deed for humanity to for eternity to push a rock up a hill and then when he gets the top of the hill of the boulder always he can never get it over the top it always rolls back down and and on top of woman kind of mangles him and then he goes up and does it again but in the in the stoic cosmology cysophus is a happy man because he put his his shoulder to the stone he was given a duty and he does a study and um and that and with that that selfie of sacrifice that he makes brings order to a chaotic universe and you know we're all living in a kind of chaotic universe oh for me to have kind of a concrete task that I know is right you know and I'm open to criticism I have a critical mind if somebody shows me where I got it wrong I'll change I'm not dug in I'm not hard headed in that sense but until somebody shows me that I'm going to try to help these children and you know and I feel like it's a gift so and the more people he abuse on me the more the bigger the gift is in some way was the the book the real entity Fauci was at the first time and because it happened during the pandemic I that was the first time I noticed a break in the narrative or more people were paying attention to you and people weren't dismissing you as easily anymore and the book itself was a critical hit amongst all the book sold a million copies I think three months lots of people there's no reviews yeah and with a lot of you know I mean really people going out of the mainstream corporate media going out of its way to ignore it and how many copies did it sell?

1:45:15It sold a million copies in three months and then it's all you know since then I don't know how many but it's continued to kind of hover up you know in the top you know hundred on Amazon most of the booksellers wouldn't sell it like the independent booksellers Barnes and Noble took it out of most of the air stores they wouldn't sell it in most of the air stores and the independent booksellers almost all boycott it it's the only place you could really reliably get it was Amazon it was odd because those are people who are usually against censorship and yet they were you know this all this you know all of this weird stuff happened with the censorship then where people yeah and I know you know you consider yourself a liberal and most and you know and as do I but what it means to be a liberal's changed in a lot of ways and it is it's not about the social issues as much as it is about this subscribing to whatever the orthodoxy or whatever the ideology preaches and it seems like when it comes to things like vaccines like that is something you never question and this is the the name that shall not be uttered yeah yeah and and when you start questioning things people get angry at you they don't want to hear it they don't want to talk about it unless they know someone has been injured and when that happens generally people have an open mind and they start to change and I think so many people know so many people that have been injured now that they're a little more critical and then shows like dope sick and then all these different articles where you see like the Sackler family bought off immunity they they they can't get prosecuted they they gave up like six billion dollars out of how many whatever billions they made selling these things that they knew absolutely to be addictive it's um there's enough people now that feel duped that they're willing to open their mind there's still some people that have they're dug in and that's what's going to be interesting about this it is interesting because it's unclear to me it's unclear to me how an orthodoxy unravels yeah you know because I mean man Mark Twain said I think it was Mark Twain yes I did that it's easier to fool somebody than to persuade it's easier to fool a man than to persuade him that he's been fooled right once they swallow it yeah they they don't want to link with shit because ego yeah ego where it just threatens their you know their worldview and there's so many things that are threatening about believing the counter narrative that you know you and I now are seeing because then can I trust my doctor can I trust you know the authority is can I trust my country you know the and it's really this the entire cosmology around which we've kind of you know weaved and constructed our lives the whole foundations are you have to start questioning everything and most people don't want to do that it's just it's uh you know I think it's terrifying and I understand that you know I see it in my family yeah it's certainly bizarre it's bizarre to witness it's bizarre to witness because uh you know I witnessed it with people that I you know I was a fan of intellectually and then all sudden I'm seeing them buy into this and I and then I see these telltale signs of them not willing to adjust with with new data with new information and understanding that they've been duped and still digging their heels in because they they've already defended themselves once so now they defend themselves and now they double down and then now they seek out all these I've seen people defend the natural spillover hypothesis which at this point seems kind of ridiculous you know and Michael Schellenberger actually just published something today about that where there's even more evidence that it was from the the very lab that they think it's right yeah yeah well those conversations too the email conversations after it was that had happened and then the conversations with Fauci and Rand Paul were furiating those those were infuriated they were so crazy Senator you do not know what you are talking about this appeal appeal to authority this trying trying to diminish what he's saying when uh what he's saying is what people have been quietly saying that understood what was going on but I mean you uh I mean did you lose friendships like persons yeah but that's okay not much not no one I really liked yeah it was uh did you just discover that you didn't like Omar no I just I knew there was a lot of cowards I knew I had like casual relationships with some cowards and uh some of them attacked me and I'm like good not enough to talk to you anymore got a lot of friends I'm very happy yeah so for me it was fine and then most of my friends were comics uh a lot of comics and a lot of jujitsu guys uh very like minded in in their approach to this thing they they weren't really interested in becoming an experiment and uh a lot of them because they were touring a lot and a lot of them because they're in clubs a lot and that they were getting it and they they already had it and so this idea that even after getting it and getting over it that somehow or another they had to get injected and that didn't make any sense to them they're like why like this doesn't this doesn't follow what even the studies are showing about natural immunity due to prior uh previous infection because they had a previous infection they they knew that they were supposedly at some point time was the studies were showing that it was seven times more effective than getting a vaccine in the vaccine the effectiveness it was showing it was very short and even then people even after I got over COVID I had people that I'd like that I admire they were telling me you should get vaccinated now I said why why did it make it make sense to me Sanjay Gupta said that to me like make it make sense to me watch I do because you be even more more protected I go I got over it quick I got over in three I made a video in three days and it looked too good so CNN put a filter on it and made me look yellow on TV did you see that no you never saw that no I don't believe I'm going to show it to you just because it's so ridiculous just so you could see it because it's so ridiculous because three days later I had I had one day I felt like shit the next day I felt better and then the day after that I make this video and I was saying essentially that I had to cancel the shows that I was doing with Dave Chappelle that weekend uh but so that's the top one is a CNN version and that the bottom one is the real version this is me outside in Texas so it's nice and sunny out and look what they did to my face they made me look like I was ill it looks like a day I could ever it's crazy what they did yeah it's very bizarre but the fact that that's a news organization it did that is so terrifying because it's such a trivial thing and that they concentrated on this one medication that my doctor prescribed for me which was ivermectin they didn't concentrate on all the other stuff that I took they didn't concentrate on the z -pack they didn't concentrate on the prednisone they didn't concentrate on the um monoclonal antibodies or the IV drip of vitamins that I did and NAD the NAD plus cocktail I did a lot of stuff yeah I did all the same stuff yeah and I got better quick and but no one cared that I got better that was not the narrative the narrative is like Joe Rogan is taking veterinary medication and then Rolling Stone printed an article saying that these hospital emergency rooms were getting overrun with people overdosing on horse medication and gunshot victims had to wait in line well first of all how many people are getting gunshot you know and they're waiting in line also when you're showing the the line that they use for the graphic those people wearing winter coats and it had nothing to do with somebody somebody tracked down where that real photo came from and had nothing to do with this but it's crazy that somehow another that snuck through Rolling Stone Rolling Stone has made a big change you know the guy who runs that now is a guy called Noah Schlackman and I used to have a great relationship you know I grew up with you on and his kids and stuff and I published there a lot but the peop the guy who runs and now is a guy with deep connections to the intelligence community and you know is is is really deep deep in the orthodox it's not a counter culture magazine anymore it's now a it's now a culture you know it's in the center but um or the one thing I wanted to mention to you you know one of the incredible studies they came out which is not surprising but the Cleveland Clinic study yeah we talked about that recently oh okay so and it it's I think I read it I could be wrong about this but I just was reading the abstract for somebody the other day and it looked like I mean what that study shows is that the vaccine gives you some protection in the first two months but then it wanes precipitously and it wanes into negative efficacy after seven months so in other words if you got vaccine you're more likely to get sick it does the opposite but this is what Fauci said at the very beginning if you go back and look at his tapes it couldn't make you actually more susceptible yeah and that is exactly what it does um and it but what it's with that study shows the more vaccines you get the more likely it is that you're going to get sick and that on the people who are most vaccinated have 3 .5 times the rate and I could be wrong about this but I think this was at 3 .5 times the risk of illness that that people who are on vaccinated oh I mean that's that's not a good profile for you know a medical product no it's not we would have done better if they'd just given everybody vitamin day but what I found was really fascinating there was a lot of people after I got sick that wanted me to immediately get vaccinated to join the team that's what it seemed like they wanted me to do it seemed like there was a battle for this some sort of ideological high ground and they wanted me to say wow I should have gotten vaccinated I'm like look I've had diseases that were worse in this I've had the flu that was worse than this but also I'm aware of ways to treat certain colds and flus and things that you can actually do things to improve your immune system yeah exactly yeah and also yeah you know I had a maddening conversation with Peter Hotez once he's that guy is is I mean it's largest watching a guy sit there and tell things that he's got to know or not true I don't know if he knows they're not true but he's a strange example because when I was talking to him he's overweight and I asked him does he eat well he doesn't he's saying you know he he likes junk food he eats junk food too much he doesn't exercise very walks a little leave saying it doesn't take vitamins and I'll think this is a crazy conversation so you're advocating for this experimental MRNA vaccine technology and you don't even do anything else to improve your immune system like you don't do there's all the studies on vitamins on whether it's vitamin C vitamin D you know exposure to sunlight increases your vitamin D as well it's very good for the immune system there's all these studies on this there's plenty of studies on what happens to people when they're nutrient deficient as well like you're at all of your systems are functioning incorrectly and there's also studies on people that got administered to the ICU with COVID that's somewhere in the neighborhood above 70 % were deficient in vitamin D yeah I think it was over 90 percent yeah it's it's to have a conversation with someone who doesn't take vitamins and is telling you you have to take this medications like this is a crazy conversation because you know what health is like metabolic health is it's a very nuanced thing and there's a lot going on with it and it has a lot to do with what you put in your body it has a lot to do with the foods you consume it has a lot to do with exercise and drinking water it's a lot to do with your electrolyte balance has a lot to do with the nutrient content of your diet so if you're if you're not doing any of that when you're telling everybody they got to get jab this is a crazy conversation well that all that you know metadata that I was talking about in the Geier study you know and it's really interesting that the graphs that go along that one of the you know the graphs they go through each disease and they show when the disease was killing people and then there's this huge decline and then it goes flat so it's not killing anybody more than the vaccine is introduced yeah and disease after disease after disease the same thing happened that it was it's all because people started getting better nutrition and their immune systems were okay and if you look at the kids in Africa who die from measles or these other infectious disease they're all malnourished in fact the only people really dying from measles in the 60s before they introduced the vaccines that I think the that the death rate had gone down to like from you know tens of thousands per year to like a couple of hundred a year this was by 63 and they were all kids most of them were kids in the Mississippi Delta black kids so if you're really malnourished and they were dying of measles and you know this is before the war on poverty before my father visits the Delta and you know it's hard for a disease to kill a healthy person it's hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy person with the rugged immune system well not the Spanish flu though right well the Spanish flu was not a virus and even um Fauci now acknowledges that and they you know there's there's good evidence that the Spanish flu there's there's you know not not a definitive but very very strong evidence the Spanish flu was vaccine induced flu the deaths were vaccine induced but the that originally they said it was a flu but when they've gone back and actually they have all the samples from thousands of people they died from bacteriological pneumonia so they died as a consequence of something that you could cure today okay so when we say but they still so what was there so they so they you're saying they had a compromised immune system already but why but a lot of the you know bacteriological illnesses can kill you yeah it's that they've a lot of the viral illnesses you know if you're super healthy it's pretty hard for them to kill you I mean I'm just saying this and I don't any individual basis but on a population basis if you look at populations that are well nourished you don't see infectious disease mortality is anymore so and that's across you know I don't think anybody would argue with so what do you what what are you saying that the Spanish flu was and like what is the the documentation you know I you said that Fauci has probably made this on a flu Fauci wrote an article in 2008 and I that I'm pretty sure it's 2008 in which he acknowledged that it was not the flu that was killing those people it was a bacteriological infection and a bacteriological infection these days you could 100 % cure all of it with an antibiotic but so but something was making them ill and to make them vulnerable to that's your last one clear and you know I read an article recently and you can look up these articles pretty easily but the article that I read made a very strong case that the illness came from testing a new vaccine in Kansas at a military base in Kansas and I again I'm a little lazy on the detail but this is important to cover right so let's see if we can find this for dominant role of bacteria pneumonia as cause of death and pandemic influenza implications yeah of pandemic influenza preparedness so what this is saying is that bacterial pneumonia was the cause of death but these people obviously they were saying that they had they were sick before this correctly correct is that true you know what I you know I shouldn't talk about this okay so this is what I don't remember enough let's do what's we would he says the results post -mortem samples were examined from people who died of influenza during the 1918 to 1990 1919 rather uniformly exhibited severe changes indicative of bacteria bacterial pneumonia bacteriologic and histopathologic results from published autopsy series clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities yeah and some people have suggested that came from getting people to wear masks oh Jesus so I but you know I don't know how would that be that the mask the bacteria I'm media of bacteria conclusions a majority of deaths from the 1918 -1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory tract bacteria less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 1960 68 pandemic are consistent with these findings if severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of bacterial viral bacterial copathogenesis pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone example influenza vaccines and anti -viral drugs that's hilarious prevention diagnosis profile axis and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia as well stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines should be high priorities for pandemic planning yeah so he didn't remember that yeah but um let me let me ask you something not that you were talking about before because you said a lot of the comedians um you know were were skeptical yeah what I saw was the opposite that you know I saw the comedians that should have been questioning everything you know that were that were falling along cancelling people who ask questions and including all the ones you know John Stewart and Stephen Colbert they kind of stopped I thought they stopped being funny because that you know comedians are funny when they're when they're ridiculing authority well I just I'm doing that the only one I know out of that group is John I know John and John's great guy I have not talked to him I talked to him um in the middle of it all I haven't talked to it since but I I thought it was hilarious when he was on co bearer and he was doing that routine that was really good yeah that was hilarious I I tried to stay off Twitter because I I generally think especially when it comes to things like uh that are uh high anxiety subjects whether it's climate change the war in Ukraine or uh COVID uh I think it facilitates mental illness and I think a lot of these people are um they they they fester on things and they they they they have high anxiety and when you subject them to being locked inside their home and you offer them only one way out and that way is this vaccine and they trust the science because they're smart people smart people trust the science and they they believe that you know we have to all be in this together and you're a good person if you go out and get vaccinated so you show your your picture on your little Instagram page got vaccinated and everybody knows you're a good person and then there's this sort of feedback loop and then they sort of attacking people that differ from this and then they start you know call you my mother died from this or my grandmother died from this as if you somehow or another did it not the fucking people that did this crazy research in Wuhan China and then lied about it and then no one's mad at them for the same people who are mad at comedians requesting it were applauding Fauci even though there was all these there's clear conversations that showed that yes they were doing what would we consider it to be gain of function research there yes the NIH funded this yes this is all true and when he's being confronted by Rand Paul and you you see him like he's essentially just lying in front of the American people is just and the same people that generally are these critical thinkers they were so enamored by this narrative and then so captive by and then also captive by their initial assertions they're a prisoner of their initial statements on it and they didn't want to say they were wrong it took a lot of people a long time to say I fucked up this that's not true it's not I was wrong but he actually said that to me yeah yeah a good friend of mine yeah very good friend of mine who got really scared and got vaccinated and thought I was being an idiot and then along the way started paying attention and got COVID really bad you know and I helped him out and sent the nurse to them and got him IV vitamins and it's it's just one of those things where it's a stress test to stress test for people's character it's a stress test for anxiety levels it's a stress test for community bonds it's a stress test for friendships it's a stress test and you get to see you get to see what it was like and I feel honestly even though I was in the center of it all I felt very fortunate because I can have no questions about how it actually works how the system actually works to go against people littered the centers I got no questions because I was in the middle of it I saw I saw it happen I saw the CNN thing where they made my face yellow and said I was taking horse medication which is that the most to say that and repeat that over and over again is such a clear indication that they conspired it's such a because it's this it's uniform it's horse dewormer uniform a medication that's used far more often on human beings it's been prescribed to fill up billions yeah it's insane and the fact that and one the Nobel Prize for efficacy in humans yeah in humans yeah it was wild it was wild they had to do it they had to discredit Ivermectin because you know I because there's a federal law the federal emergency use authorization statute says that you cannot issue you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that is demonstrated effective against the target illness so they had to destroy Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and discredit and they had to tell everybody it's not effective because if they had acknowledged that it's effective in anybody the whole 200 billion dollar vaccine enterprise would have collapsed it's it's a very strange and difficult to navigate subject because there's so many studies and there's a lot of studies that seem to point to the fact that Ivermectin doesn't work well for people that have COVID yeah I you know we've looked at all the studies and we you know there's there's over a hundred studies on Ivermectin and you know I think they're on our website on C .A .C .s website and then there were a series of studies and this is what they always do this what they did with autism they designed studies to fail so they you know in fact they designed studies in the way they designed them to fail is by giving people lethal doses of Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and in fact and in Brazil the researchers were charged with homicide you know and that was one of those they I forgot whether it's called the solidarity study but it was one of the studies that was commissioned by WHO paid for by Bill Gates and his people and and that you know they were literally giving people four or five times the prescribed doses of Ivermectin hydroxychloroquine in order and you know these were elderly people on their death beds and a lot of them could not take that level of toxicity and died and so then they were able to say oh it kills people but it wasn't killing anybody they gave the prescribed doses to and you know and Gates knew what the prescribed dose was for hydroxychloroquine because his because he his foundation gives it to hundreds of millions of people every year in Africa for malaria control and so it wasn't you know it's hard to say that it was a mistake that they were overdosing these people so it was a situation where you have the emergency use authorization and that won't work if you have a medication that also works and then you have this medication that also works that happens to be generic yeah that costs five cents a pill instead of three thousand dollars a dose like Remdesivir yeah oh Remdesivir the reason they like Remdesivir is because of Remdesivir you have to you give IV in the hospital at end of you know at the end of life it's not prophylactic and they didn't want something that was prophylactic or early cure because that meant they they would they're all vaccine issue you know would have fallen apart Remdesivir was crazy because Remdesivir in 2019 so right before the pandemic Fauci had Remdesivir in a bowl and a Ebola trial with four other drugs in Africa and the IRB that the you know the safety panel that you know you have to have a safety panel for it's called the institutional review board for every clinical trial the safety panel stop stepped in and pulled Remdesivir out because it was killing so many people it was it was killing more people than the Ebola Ebola kills 53 percent of the people who get it and this and the Remdesivir was doing worse so why would you take that out of an about that got thrown out of an Ebola trial and give it to people with a disease that has an infection fatality rate of one percent well insane I would say that's insane if I didn't know that there was a history of doing similar things yeah and the AIDS crisis with AZT AZT which was initially a chemotherapy medication that was killing people in a two week dose they were giving to two weeks of this stuff was killing people faster than AIDS was killing people yeah and they went and took that excuse you were faster than cancer was killing people and they went and took that and started giving it to people that was too dangerous or to treat as a cancer right with cancer you give it you know in the simplest terms you're giving a chemotherapy drug that is going to kill you 100 percent time is going to kill you you know at least in those at that era because it's designed to kill him in tissue and you're hoping that it will kill the tumor before it kills the you know the person and it was it was it was thrown out it's too dangerous to use for two weeks and give it therapy and now they're getting they decided okay we're going to give it to people lifetime course of it to people of AIDS and of course it's going to kill you know anybody on it is going to kill well the Arthur Ash thing blew me away because I didn't know that Arthur Ash was asymptomatic when when he hit and then he died right after start taking AZT and he said publicly I don't want to be on this I don't I think it's hurting me but my doctor is going to get mad at me if I get off of it and how many other people how many people died from AZT well Nuri have two the same thing he was completely healthy and they put him on AZT and he died well how many people did die was the overall number I have to go back and read my book it's extraordinary yeah and you know just the fact that that playbook existed they've done it this way in the past and gotten away with it and that when they have drugs that are approved and they already have these drugs and if these drugs didn't work on that thing they'll try them on this thing and then they'll say in the case of AZT there's a video of Fauci saying the reason why it's the only drug we recommend or that is prescribed is because it's safe and effective it actually said that about AZT and he knew with that which is a crazy thing at the only way the way I mean one of the tricks one of the tricks they were using is the people who were getting the AZT they were also giving blood transfusions to yes which were keeping them alive and making it seem if you have somebody a blood transfusion it's going to you know it perks them up and keeps you alive longer and so they were keeping those people alive artificially in order to you know make the drug look like it actually was efficacious that's the the crazy thing is what they're allowed to do in studies and one of the first correspondence that you and I had was we had read something where the description of why the COVID vaccines were a hundred percent effective and what they used to make that distinction it's not no like explain that explain that because it's such a bizarre the way they do it it seems like it should be legal what they did with the COVID vaccine is they they gave the COVID for this the Pfizer trial we know a lot about the Pfizer trial because that was the one that was Pfizer was the one to get an approved vaccine you know it got the it did another trick it got one of its vaccines approved the common -arty vaccine but that vaccine was not available in this country but they were able to say to people oh we have a approved vaccine and that made it okay for the colleges and everybody else to force you to take an emergency use of the reservation vaccine which is illegal you nobody can tell you to participate in a medical experiment and so they played this kind of shell game but in order to get that they they they had to reveal their testing and what they what they what they did was they gave 22 ,000 people the vaccine and 22 ,000 similarly situated people the placebo and in the after six months and they actually they promised to do a five -year study but then they cut it back to two months or four months and and unblinded it you know right at the beginning so which is total deception there's now we don't know what any of the you know long -term effects are there's a lot of impacts from these from the vaccines like every other drug that have long diagnostic horizons and long incubation periods and if you don't have a five -year placebo controlled trial as Fauci himself said he need eight years he said you're gonna miss a lot and you could have may have and that's exactly so they use the excuse that this pandemic was so deadly that they had to unblind the trial and give this medication to everyone otherwise it would be unethical yeah otherwise it'd be an unethical so you think that that was done on purpose do you think that was done to obscure people's heads but it's it's not a good the optics are not good so um so what they did is they had 22 ,000 people got the vaccine 22 ,000 and then and they have six months of data some of that is unblinded but it's six months and during that six month period in the vaccine group one person died of COVID and in the placebo group two people died from COVID so that allows Pfizer to tell the public and you know FDA to tell the public oh this vaccine is 100 % effective because two is 100 % of one that is the same what they should have been telling Americans and what they're required to come under the law is is to give them a number that is called the NNTV the number needed to vaccinate to save one life how many people do you have to vaccinate to save one life and the answer of course is you need to you need to vaccinate 22 ,000 people to save one life so if you're gonna if you're going to um if you can vaccinate 22 ,000 people to save one life you better make sure the vaccine itself is not killing anybody as if it kills one person for 22 ,000 you've now cancelled out the entire benefit of the product and when they looked at the key metric which was all caused mortality in other words how many people died of all and not just from COVID but of all causes in the vaccine group and how many died from all causes in a placebo group they placebo group had uh had a 17 people died and um are and the vaccine group had 21 so what that means is there were um there were more people died in the vaccine group I mean but didn't the placebo group eventually take the vaccine because they were unblinded yeah they were unblinded but they they still gave us the data the six month data for the people so it's all I mean there's total information during six months though right six months it's six months of people that are adults some of them got it right or two or four months but anyway they gave us the six months of data for the two designated groups and the you know that it's an alarming result because there were four people who died of four to five people who died of cardiac arrest in the placebo in the vaccine group but only one in the placebo group what that means is if you take the vaccine you're you know 21 percent more likely to die over six months according to this data according to this data which is you know not good data and not enough of a big group of a large enough group to really make these kind of predictions but it's all they gave us so there's stuck with this number if you take the vaccine you're 21 percent more likely to die of all causes and and when you look at the data you see that there's four cardiac arrests four to five because one of them looks like a cardiac arrest but it may not be but there's at least four cardiac arrests in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group which means if you take the vaccine you're four hundred more four hundred percent more likely to die of a cardiac arrest over the next six months and if you didn't so that's not a good you know a product you know you wouldn't want to recommend that product much less mandated and yet they did you were explaining to me when we were outside before we came in here I said I wanted to talk about it here instead you were explaining how instead of using the VAIR system that there's a method of analyzing a whole host of data to find out about deaths how many coffins are ordered how many how many people die of heart attack strokes that there's is another way to look at yeah I mean there's the guy who kind of showed that the world was at doubt and at doubt was a he was a he was a big Wall Street guy he was one I think he operated one of the portfolio companies for BlackRock he grew it and again this you know this needs to be checked a little and maybe James could but I think he grew it from you know under a billion to fourteen billion dollars he was a major player in Wall Street and the way he did that was he he saw the 2008 crash coming because he's a numbers guy he sees the world in terms of numbers during the pandemic he had no no no no kind of early exposure to the medical freedom movement or anything else he just started seeing data that made no sense to him and it was a lot of those was kind of the all was the all -cause mortality deaths he started seeing people dying after vaccination that shouldn't have been dying you know kids on the ball fields all of these you know the athletes etc but he was looking at these non -conventional data sources like the ones that you spoke of he was looking at insurance industry actuarial insurance industry data that showed excess deaths particularly in younger groups spiking after the vaccine and seeing it all over the world and he ended up doing a book on this that is that it's designed to be read in I think an hour or 90 minutes and it's a book it's an extraordinary book because it has all of these graphs that are that are incredibly convincing compelling but it's a it's the kind of book if you have a skeptic and you can get them to sit down for 90 minutes with this book when they get up they will they will have converted and it has one part of the book is it has like maybe a thousand photos of local newspapers reporting athletes dying on playing fields these stories never made the national news but the local papers were you know because they they'd happen at the local game and the local papers were covering them so there was no censorship in the local papers and it's really it's it's sickening I mean it's terrible these you know these beautiful children who were dying on the playing field and covid was killing people but it was old people yeah cause unknown the epidemic of sudden deaths in 2021 in 2022 Edward Dowd yeah died after first vaccine dose died at hospital football died on the field yeah this was reported and there's you know there's now there's thousands and thousands of those stories I think well they were all of the data kind of suppressed yeah one of the data points he went in and looked globally people do die on playing fields it's it's a pretty steady average of 29 per year for 30 years and we were getting during the after vaccination I think 29 per month you know so now here's the other concern it's not just the people that died it's the people that suffered that are alive and that have an injury and that may it may have radically shortened their life well there's 15 million Americans according to the V -safe data and the Rasmussen Bowl 15 million Americans sought medical help after the vaccine that's you know and then you know the VAERS which VAERS is unreliable but it's not unreliable because it's overestimated it's unreliable because it's underestimated and the CDC's own study says it it undercounts injuries by between 10 and 100 percent and so 100 times not 100 percent 100 times so I think VAERS has 17 ,000 deaths reported and you know over a million injuries I may be well over a million it's something like that James can look it up but in 1976 when they had this you know really bad flu shot that they did the same thing with they did it you know global rollout and everybody had to take it and they pulled this shot after 25 deaths reported 25 so now I mean there are you know we're living in a different universe now in terms of public health I mean the pharmaceutical industry has captured the regulatory structure and you know and and just change the entire way that people think about public health what do you think could be done about that and what what do you think you could do about that you know I think I'm I am and I don't want this to sound self -promoting but I'm ideally suited to do this because I I've spent so much time litigating and writing about these agencies that I know how to unravel corporate couch I know exactly what to do when I get in there for a lot of them I know the individuals that have to be moved out and the kind of individuals that need to be moved in but also you need to get rid of these really corrupting financial entanglements between the pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory agencies that as put agency capture on steroids for example almost 50 percent of FDA's budget comes from pharmaceutical companies they're not working for us they're working for the pharmaceutical company with CDC CDC has a $12 billion budget and about five almost five billion of that goes to buying vaccines in sweet art deals from these grew these got four companies and then promoting them to the public and so they're really partners with the pharmaceutical industry in the way that you get a promotion at CDC and the way you get recognition and salary increases and performing good performance reviews is by increasing vaccine uptake not by finding problems with vaccines and it's a it's a really bad you it's no longer serving as a regulatory agency NIH has probably even the worst if you work at NIH and you work on a on a vaccine or other medical product you are allowed to actually to pocket royalties from that product so any product that you work on you can collect royalties on you can collect royalties that are now capped at a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year for life forever not just life but for your children's lives etc as long as that product sold you've marched in rights for the patent if you worked on an NIH so the Moderna vaccine which is half owned by NIH which means NIH will get half billions and billions of dollars from the sales of that vaccine which they may they're promoting they're telling everybody you need to get this but also there's either four or six individuals who were Anthony Fauci's direct deputies who themselves are collecting a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year for life forever from that product although so that the mercantile interests in making so those are people are not going to find problems with the product because they're paying for their boats they're paying for their mortgages they're paying for their kids education i'm making sure that as many of those vaccines are sold as possible so let's make a kids take them even though there's no data that show they help kids let's make everyone let's make pregnant women get taken make everybody take them because they're cashing in on and that the mercantile you know ambitions have completely subsumed the regulatory function of those agencies and and that has to and you know one of the things that we need to do to is to get reformed a suitable advertising on television there's only two countries in the world that allow it on his New Zealand the others are country everybody who is knowledgeable is against it and it not only has compromised you know has compromised public health we now we take largely because of that advertising we take three or four times the amount of drugs as Europeans take and drugs at the number three killer in our country pharmaceutical drugs the number three killer after cancer and art attacks they're not making us healthier we have we spend more on healthcare 4 .3 trillion than any country in the world and we have the worst health impacts and we're behind like Mongolia Costa Rica Cuba in terms of our health outcomes oh all of these drugs the pharmaceutical industry is not making us safe safe safer it's not making us healthier and you know we changed the rule in 1997 prior to 1997 like cigarettes and liquor you couldn't advertise on TV we changed those rules and FDA allowed the pharmaceutical companies to advertise and they not only now have a platform from which they can tell everybody you're sick you need this you need that but also they are able to dictate content on television so they can dictate content on the you know on the local and on YouTube yeah of course yeah that's a terrifying thing and it's so deeply interwoven the the question that I would have to use like how do you want to angle that how do you do one of these things at a time and I you know I'm going to go in there and do it I'm going to issue an executive order on day one saying there's no more advertising on TV now FDA needs to implement that through the regulatory process but I also know how the regulatory process works and I know how to hasten it I know how to make it work faster for the American people so you know I I know I you know I'm looking forward to doing this I'm looking forward to telling FDA you're not taking far more money anymore all these controversial opinions that you have if you had anyone debate you publicly about any of these they nobody will debate me for 18 years nobody will debate me in fact I've scheduled many many debates and I've asked hotels many many times that debate me and I think you've asked him here why don't you debate Robert Kennedy and he said because he said cunning lawyers something like that yeah but I've debated hotels on the telephone with uh you know with kind of a referee and you know I his his science is his is just made up he cannot stand by he can't cite studies well he was trying to tell me that vaccine don't cause autism I said I need to order autism wrote a book yeah that but I asked my daughter doesn't have I didn't get her autism from a vaccine but I've read that book and there is no science not cited in that book it's just him saying you know it didn't happen and listen I wouldn't wish that on anybody and I and God bless him and God bless that little girl and you know I wrote have nothing but um you know good energy going to them and you know I but it's not he's using leverage to tell people you you know there's no problem here but this is my point that I asked him what does and he said there's a few there's environmental factors are aware of I go what are those and he couldn't cite them yeah like how can you be so sure to say this definitely doesn't but you're telling me there's a bunch of environmental factors that do cause it and we're aware of those factors but you're not aware of them and you're an expert in this yeah how is that possible you're I mean that's the main health expert that's the big question that anybody who says it's not the vaccines I'm like okay fine but they don't want if you say it's not the vaccines people go yeah good that's that's what I wanted to hear that's what I want to hear when you say it is the vaccines people go oh my god I don't want to hear that they don't want to hear it and they get angry they get angry at you and they go oh ten foil hat conspiracy theorist and but the fact that no one will debate you speaks volumes especially now they can't say now that you're not popular and what's uh crazy is that Biden now is decided he's not even going to debate anybody in the primary I and I'll just tell you one story the Connecticut state legislature who was debating was uh had a bill to end the religious exemptions for you know childhood vaccines in Connecticut and the head of the Democratic Party and the legislature asked me to come out and debate I gave professor in front of the legislature and I said great I'm from the Yale Medical School and he called back and said there's going to be two of them and it's against you and um they're going to get two -thirds of the time and you get a third and I said fine and then he called back and said there's going to be four of them and you each get six minutes and I said that's all I need and uh it's not fair but it's all I need and so I fly out on a red eye I get to the state house and it's me and four empty chairs somebody told them were they all decided I don't know not to show up and that's happened to me again and again and again and again I agree to debates and it seems like somebody gets a message but you know who knows it's obscure nobody in 18 years has been willing to debate me what is that like to carry that around I mean I know you kind of described it earlier in the Sisyphus analogy but it's I mean it's got to be insanely frustrating I mean I can't I mean you you really handle it incredibly well I you know it is it's frustrating but I mean I listen I look at these um some of my friends that I've made over time who have children who are affected children who you know were perfectly healthy kids who exceeded all their milestones and then they lost everything when they're two years and a lot of these kids are so severely affected they'll never you know hold a job they'll never pay taxes they'll never write a poem they'll never throw baseball they'll never go out on date with a girl or a boy and um they'll never serve in the military you know their lives are so constricted and the parents lives are also shattered you know these are a lot of these parents for most of them because the children have these you know severe anger and violence and they have these tactile sensitivities and light sensitivities and don't like strangers the parents can't go out they can't you can't get a babysitter to take care of that child and the parents now just stop going out on dates a lot of them give up their jobs they almost all of them um their careers there's hard you know really debilitated and I see them going through that and you know anything that I go through is like nothing nothing so I don't you know spend any time thinking of myself I don't I just don't get frustrated because all I have to do is think I'm here for those parents and uh you know and I'm lucky that you know I don't have to fight that battle because I don't know what I would I don't know if I could take it what pushed you to one run for president I saw you know I grew up so proud of this country and loving you know this country and being proud and you know we were I grew up at a magical time in American history which economists call the great prosperity it's a time between 1947 and like 1980 when our country became the wealthiest country in the world we we developed the middle class like nothing that's ever been seen in history we that became this economic machine and a machine for democracy and um if we were we were generating during that period half the wealth on the face of the earth we owned here in this country everybody wanted American things America was they you know it was a moral authority around the world it was a leader and everybody wanted our leadership they don't like our bullying but they wanted our leadership and they knew the difference but they wanted you know I would travel in Europe when I was a kid and with my father and my mother and people just adored our country and um and but people wanted blue jeans they wanted American cars they wanted Victro you know RCA Victroas and you know our electronics and they wanted our movies and our television and I you know and they they wanted our democracy and you know I want my kids to grow up with that love for our country and that pride for our country and I don't see the path from either political party getting us there at this point I think um you know both parties have lost their way in my party the democratic party has become the party of war it's become the party of censorship it's become the party of pharmaceutical companies of you know the neocons this very aggressive belligerent foreign policy forever wars and um and then uh you know of the kind of political suppression that we saw and and this really this kind of this bizarre um turning our backs on the American middle class which is the only thing that sustains democracy if you don't have a middle class you cannot any political scholar you know political scientists will tell you that if you have a large aggregation of wealth at the top and uh and widespread poverty below that that um that formulation I is too unstable to support democracy and nobody and the middle class has just been wiped out in this country and nobody's talking about it's really you know and I think that's why you know Trump was so popular is he you know it's taught he was the one guy who's talking to those people and you know he's and they're angry because nobody's listening to him and uh and Trump said you know I'm listening to you and I'm gonna go break things for you and they are angry and they want things to get broken and I think you know um we you know my father used to look at Latin America and and it was the same thing back then it was widespread poverty below and it was you know wealth above and US foreign policy was to sort of fortify those oligarchies and support with weapons etc the military haunt us that were keeping those people in suppression because they were anti -communists and my father said there's going to be a revolution in those countries and if if we continue those policies the communists are going to own the revolution and they're going to own the future and we have to give aid directly to the poor and stop giving it to the oligarchs and stop giving to the military and that's why my uncle and father started the alliance for progress and USAID to do something that had never done before which is to develop middle class by funding the development of middle class with the poor and I would say the same thing is happening in this country today that were you know were the oligarchs are running things and the military and there there's gonna be a revolution and either it can be owned by Donald Trump or we can try to you know martial and mobilize that energy for a more idealistic vision of our country and um you know when my father ran in 68 he put together a populist coalition of left and right and you know and he was able to do that he was able to do that by telling the truth to people including truth that they didn't want to hear and he was you know on the last day that he died the day he died he won the most urban state in our country which was California and the most rural state which was South Dakota he had bridged the gap between and when I you know I was with him when he died in Los Angeles and then we flew his body back on us too on you know Humphrey's plane Vice President Humphrey's plane to New York and and then we waked him in St.

2:44:46Patrick's Theodore and the crowds just you know it was like a flood of humanity on that you know on that street the Wall Street was blocked people standing 10 feet deep for half a mile and then we brought him from Penn station in Washington we he was in the caboose in the coffin and then there was a train that we talked to Union Station Washington DC and the people on that train where the people would have been probably the one of the the the greatest governments in the United States history and and my and that train ride was supposed to take two and a half hours it took seven and a half hours because there were two million people on the tracks and they were you know they were white people they were milk people military uniforms their boys outstanding saluting I remember passing up a little league field where all of the people all the kids on both sides were standing holding their gloves and saluting and the coaches and all the people in the stand there were Catholic priests there was rabbis I remember passing in Delaware I was 14 at that time a pickup truck that had six or seven nuns and their habits standing in the bed of the truck and they were and they were waving rosaries and handkerchiefs at us in the in the major urban centers the train stations we crept through at a crawl to avoid hitting people but they were just jammed with people almost all black people in Trenton and Newark and Baltimore and Wilmington and they were singing the Battle of Hill to him and the Republic we had that the windows open on the train and and then there were hippies and tie -died t -shirts you can go look at the people there's photographs of the people lining that track you know you can call them up over there James if you if you if you if you find them but anyway when we got to Washington president Johnson was met us there and took us in a convoy we rode past the mall and when we got to the mall there was there my uncle on my father and Martin Luther King had been talking together and they were they were talking about how do we get poor people the right you know because the Vietnam war was sucking all the money out of the world poverty and they said how do we get poor people to get politically mobilized and they said we need to call them all to Washington DC and have them camp here until Congress acts and so King had died too much before my father was now dead Mary and right Edelman had brought all these people there you know working for the two of them and there were thousands of men that were in camped in these plastic shanties on the mall and they all came to the sidewalk and they bowed their heads now their hats to their chas and we drove slowly past them up to Arlington cemetery and we buried my dad next to my uncle four years later so that was 68 four years later in 1972 I was studying politics and Boston and American history and I came across this demographic data that showed that the people the white people who had lined that train track and who had supported my father in Maryland and Delaware Pennsylvania in New Jersey during the 68 campaign in the primaries in 72 to not vote for George McGovern who was very sympathico with my father on all these issues very much aligned but they voted instead for George Wallace who was absolutely anathetical to everything my father believes is a rampant fierce segregationist and I know I'm very well in his old age but it occurred to me that and it struck me many times since that every nation like every individual has a darker side and a lighter side and the easiest thing for a politician to do is to appeal to our hatred and our bigotry and our fear you know and our xenophobia and you know our mistrusts of immigrants or whatever and that every once in a while you know politicians like my dad come along who have a different approach which is to get people persuade people one way or another to transcend their narrow self -interest and see themselves as part of a community as part of a larger adventure you know and and be willing to take risks for neighbors who don't look like them because they feel like they're part of something important you know part of maybe reconstructing our country and making it live up to its promises and to avoid this adduction of the notion that we can advance ourselves as a people by leaving our poor brothers and sisters behind and my dad was able to do that successfully and I think you know that we have that opportunity now and you know I you know that's why I my father was able to do something that made people find the hero in themselves you know people to take risks because it takes a risk to make a sacrifice or to believe in your community and my dad was able to do that and you know I would I would like to be able to do that to this country for this country and I think it's you know it's the only way that we're going to save this country of people can find a way to unify you know people from the left and the right and to build the kind of populist movement and my father was able to build in 1968 what has it been like what what what is the experience been like for you of making the decision to run and then now running and having doing these interviews and seeing all these hip pieces written about you and even in the New York Times what is this been like well at least they're writing something about me yeah you know I mean what it's been it's been it's been it's been wonderful it's been amazing and you know I'm I'm my biggest worry is Cheryl because she and she's happy to wife yes and she says to send you her love but she but you know it's been good I mean I we've got an extraordinary traction and the thing is that I'm not going to win this by winning the sympathies of the mainstream media um I really think these podcasts have the capacity to change politics in this country this year and you know it's interesting because in 1960 my uncle uh present Kennedy had you know realized that this new media called television which had never been used in a political campaign before it was a media that was very friendly to him for a variety of reasons in other words he was it was a media that he was able to master pretty well that um people like to see him on it and uh and it won him the election which was the Narinara's election at that time in American history and then in 2016 Donald Trump recognized a new technology which was Twitter which uh that he could communicate in this kind of way that was unique to him you know these kind of sound bites very powerful sound bite um you know outrageous remarks on Twitter that got him these you know that that built him an audience a very loyal and everybody thought he was crazy but he was able to take that technology and really you know turn it into a and weaponize it politically balls of that and the go ahead please well I I'm not saying that's the only thing but that he did he a lot of other stuff going for him but but he had a new media as I'm what I'm saying and I think this year the podcast are going to be uh are going to you know I have the potential to revolutionize American politics because um for the first time you can and run the mainstream media I mean I I was talking to somebody about this the other day they CNN now has a viewership of I think something like 350 ,000 people a night um Tucker when he was at Fox at a at a viewership at the end about 4 .5 million so he was 10 times the biggest CNN and you at you know your your top uh like McCulloch I think you were getting almost 40 million or something maybe more I don't know what it is but you are then 10 times bigger than Tucker and a hundred times bigger than CNN and there you know there's a lot of people out there and this is for me it's a good media you know for a variety of reasons and I've been able to reach a lot of people you know it's a very very populist media it reaches people who are on the far left and on the far right and it kind of unifies them and those are you know the audience that I think I am I'm most likely to if I I mean my campaign is about bringing those two groups together the left and the right and a populist movement and I think podcast maybe a formula for doing that I think you're probably right um and I think there's a lot more that are going to be willing to have you on the question is going to be like what happens with those episodes on YouTube yeah you know we don't have to worry about this with that with this episode but what it you know with other people they would people that I know would probably be interested in having you on but you know YouTube dangles those strikes over your head and they also dangled demonetization over your head which is so say if you have an episode that's very popular but controversial they'll they can demonetize that episode and if they choose to do so you lose all the revenue which could be pretty substantial and so people self -sensor because of that yeah but if the thing is that I'm not running on vaccines yeah no I understand that doesn't matter if the only time that I will talk about vaccines if somebody asked me about it if you wanted to do this whole interview I'd never talk about vaccines it would be fine for me I mean I think I'll never do an interview like this again probably because this is the only place I could do this and really sort of lay out the whole thing otherwise this would not survive for two minutes right and so I don't think I'll do that but I don't need to do that because I you know I have a lot of other issues and my central issue is how do you rebuild the middle class and how do we get out of these forever wars how do you get out of Ukraine war the Ukraine war is easy to get out of I mean the Russians have been wanting to settle that war from the beginning really yeah I mean the Minsk Accords was a settlement and that was you know that we basically you know encouraged Zelensky as Zelensky ran in 2019 here's a guy is a comedian and a you know and an actor which I'm not saying in a disparaging way but he's probably should my wife is those things still yeah but he so how do he how do he win with 70 % of the vote he won because he ran on a peace platform promising to sign the Minsk Accords which was agreement that Russia France and Germany had all agreed to which would have left Umbass as part of Ukraine as autonomous regions so they can now enjoy their own language the ethnic Russians and they and they can protect themselves from attack the central government which was US you know installed central government and and that NATO would stay out of the Ukraine and that's what the Russians wanted a pledge in NATO will never go in which we should have made for them we shouldn't we have no business putting NATO in the Ukraine we promise we never do that we committed to it and we've repeatedly violated those promises and there's people in the White House who want this war and they've said it repeatedly even President Biden has said the purpose of the war is to impose Vladimir Putin and what install a public government well that's the thing that's what the same people who got rid of Vladimir saying yeah it causes eight trillion dollars and Iraq is now worse often we found it we killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein we we forced Iraq into you know this bondage to Iran where they're now proxy state of Iran we've reduced that nation into a you know this incoherent mess that it's just a you know a battle between Xi and Sunni desquats we created ISIS we then had to do the Syrian war the Yemen war the Afghan Pakistan we drove two million refugees into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe for the next two generations and created Brexit that's what we got for that eight trillion dollars that you know and the ravaged middle class in our country the same people who we thought the neocards who ran that operation lied to us about weapons of mass destruction tricked us into that war and who we thought were now out of government forever pariahs you know in disgrace they're now all back in the Biden administration with a new project and you know Lloyd Austin who's items of cement secretary said the purpose of the war for us is to exhaust Russia and degraded its capacity to fight any place in the world well if that's not good for the Ukraine because the way we're exhausting Russia is by butchering two three hundred and fifty thousand Ukrainian kids I mean we have turned that nation into an abattoir of death for the flower of Ukrainian youth in a geopolitical and I'm not excusing blue boot and Putin is a thug a monster a gangster who illegally invaded didn't need to we need to take responsibility for the provocations which we have you know which these neocons have been have been provoking for you know for over a decade and by the way the reason we're in that war is because American are good people and you know we were convinced granted we're using these kind of comic book depictions that they're now you know the military industrial complex is now expert at sewing from us it's kind of good versus evil you know this this whole thing that gets us into these wars and keep you know that war is a money laundering racket for for the military contractors the money is going there and coming right back and then they all go on CNN you know the generals etc who if you look at their resumes they're all working for general dynamics and the military contractors and and they tell us we need to be in this war and tell us hard stories etc but we're there because Americans are good people and they have compassion and they want to redress a wrong but and by the way my son went over there and fought you know any join you know we he got without telling us he left law school and I was a summer job and he went over there and joined the foreign legion and fought as a as a machine gunner for a special force unit during the car keep offensive so you know I look the Ukrainian people are the valor of those people and the you know the anguish that they're suffering is is beyond you know any description but we need to look at our role in it and we need to look for roads to peace you know and not not try and try to end the killing there's 30 to 80 thousand Russians who have kids who have died there too and you know we shouldn't be exalting over that we should be trying to find a cell in the US should be the grown -up in the room that's saying how do we stop the bloodshed that's what we should be doing over there and not to achieve these and I'll just say one other thing Joe that wars cost us 113 billion dollars that's the commitment so far we a CDC's entire budget is 12 billion a year uh um FD or or EPA's entire budget is about 12 billion we have 57 % of our people in this country cannot put their hands on a thousand dollars to if they need to if there's an emergency 25 % of Americans are hungry now are not getting enough food I have a friend who was a commercial fisherman who spent his life on you know on the fisheries out of business what are together but because it's a private business because we were working a lot for other people he doesn't have benefits he now has a disability his son -in -law runs a business but can't support him he has a disability and um and he has been surviving on 280 dollars with the food stamps from the snap program and that doesn't take you too far but on March 1st he got a robo call from the government saying your food stamps have been cut by 90 percent you're now getting 25 dollars a month try feeding yourself a 90 cents a day in this country 30 million Americans got that call and that's the same month we bailed out we we printed 300 billion new dollars to bail out the Silicon Valley bank and we topped off the Ukraine war commitment to 113 billion so we got lots of money for the for the military industrial complex lots of money for the bankers you know the bank stars but we're starving Americans to death starving them and he is because of all the inflation we spent 16 trillion on the lockdown we wasted and got nothing for it 8 trillion on the Ukraine war that's 24 trillion dollars that they had to print to pay for nothing that money the way they're paying it back they're not going to tell us they're raised taxes because you can't do that it's a hidden tax called inflation and it hits the poor and the middle class and it has dismantled the middle class in this country my friends food bills for basic foods chicken dairy and eggs has increased 76 percent in two years to pay for the Iraq war or the Ukraine war the Iraq war and the lockdowns his food prices are going up and now the government selling him while we have plenty of money for the military in the banks we don't have it for Americans who are you know hard working people and you know something it's not right we don't have we're in a crisis in this country we're in you know and we need to start looking at we need to start unraveling the empire we have 800 bases abroad we were told after in 1992 when the Soviet Union collapsed we were told we're going to get a piece of it and at the military expenditure was going to go from 600 billion a year to 200 billion and we're going to stop making billion dollar stealth bombers that can't fly in the rain and that we're going to take that money home and build schools with it and build infrastructure and give healthcare good healthcare in the inner cities and then none of that happened and today instead of going down to 200 billion it's gone up the total military expenditure if you include national security is 1 .3 billion and it hasn't made us safer it's made us worse off you know 1 .3 trillion 1 .3 trillion if you include yeah I think you said billion no 1 .3 trillion if you include national you know this the security apparatus and you know all this stuff you have to walk through the airports and if you include the 300 billion to the veterans which you can't cut you know the veterans are you know are there we have 29 a day killing themselves you know this these wars are not good for our country or our kids and we need to stop being an empire and instead come home rebuild the middle class and then project economic power the way the Chinese do who are eating our lunch because they know not to prevent to project military power they to project economic power that's how you win the hearts and minds the world and national security my my uncle John Kennedy you know did that he he refused to go to war so he he was surrounded by military and social conflicts and and he learned very early and and intelligence apparatus that he realized early on that the purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus was to create a constant pipeline of new wars for them for the military industrial complex the day three days before he took the oath of office eyes and hour who is the outgoing president gave what is probably the most important speech in American history which was you know where he warned against the military industrial complex I was at my uncle's inauguration I was in Washington that day you know a six -year -old boy and I was sitting on the stands behind the military or in front of him during his inauguration and he understood that and two months later the military and intelligence came to him and said we got it we got it invade Cuba and he was like I'm not going to Cuba and I'm not going to let the military and they said well we got all these Cubans trained and they're going to go attack Castro and he said well we can't the US government can't be doing that we can't be could attack it we I don't like what Castro's doing down there but the it's not the United States jobs to dictate what kind of governments other countries have and they said well as soon as they land there's going to be a big revolution everybody's going to rise up and they're going to overthrow Castro and he said well you can't use the US military and they ended up bringing those guys over with united fruit boats and and in the middle of it in the night they came to him and said they're getting wiped out on the beach and you need to send in the military and invade and he said we're not going to do it and he he stopped out of that meeting and he realized they had been lying to him and trying to trick him and he said I want to take the CIA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds and and then you know for the next a thousand days of his presidency he was at war with his military and and intelligence apparatus they tried to get him to go into the house he said no they tried to get him to go into Vietnam with combat troops they said we need 250 ,000 combat troops he refused everybody around him want him to go into Vietnam he sent 16 ,000 military advisors as fewer people than he sent to get James Meredith into Ole Miss in Jackson Mississippi to get one black man into school he sent fewer to Vietnam they were allowed to fight that many of them did they both violated the rules of engagement in October of 1963 he heard that some of his green berets have been killed over there and he said I want a total casualty who has from Vietnam and his aide came to him and said 75 Americans have died he said that's too many and he signed that day a national security order ordering all troops out of Vietnam U .S.

3:09:11troops the first thousandth over the next month and then the rest by the beginning of 1965 and and then a month later he was killed so but what his view was is that he believed that the view of Americans should abroad should not be you know a soldier with a gun it should be a peace corps volunteer building you know wells and it should be USAID helping poor people and it should be alliance for progress building middle class and that's what he did and he just started the Kennedy milk program to you know give nutrition to poor kids all over the world as a result of that in Africa today there are more statues to John Kennedy more bouvards named after more hospitals schools universities avenues and all the major cities named after him than any other president and that is the the the the Chinese have taken that template and done the same thing now and they are you know day all these countries that were supposedly allied with us are now realigned with the Chinese and they're switching to their currency because the Chinese are not there to kill people they're there you know to build roads to build universities to build colleges and it turns out that people like that a lot more and you know we should be projecting economic power around the globe and up military power it will make us much stronger but what do you think happens when you get into office like if you're you're you're talking about your uncle who's assassinated and you believe the intelligence agencies were part of that what happens to you well i got to be careful you know i'm aware of that and i'm not you know i i'm aware of the of that danger and you know i don't live in fear of it um you know at all but i'm not stupid about it and i take precautions so you know i do things that i don't want it to so in order and i live my life now you know in ways that i don't want to i like to be out you know shaking hands with people and going alone into communities um and uh and you know there's things i can't do anymore you know so and i but i do it because i know um i know those risks exist and i know that i you know pose a big threat to many vested interests that um you know uh and and that they're that there is a danger a danger in that

3:12:03well uh i think i think we'll wrap it up here those uh three hours as Joe thank you so much thank you very much i really appreciate talking to you uh appreciate your your courage and your conviction and just the way you think appreciate it very much likewise thank you thank you all right