#2009 - Duncan Trussell

27:16But like, and then I realized, what am I doing? What am I doing? You're doing what you would do in the green room. In my living room. You're always doing that. When you say something to me, there's always like this. I know. You should do it. You should definitely meet them. Wow. Remember that last night? Me do. Me do. You were trying to convince me. I can't even say it because I don't have to know what we were talking about. Oh, yeah, right. You know what? Yes, exactly. That is with comedians. Yeah. We will shift from reality to just like making up a story with each other instantly. It's such a fascinating mode of communication.

27:57And it's definitely not normal. My favorite is when someone does it, but with like subtle propaganda, like real on the edge. Like, is he fucking? I'm sorry. No worries. Wait, hold on. God damn it. Sorry about that, man. Dude, it's a normal thing. It's just going on here. It happens all the time. Let me just check. Yeah, you're about to have a baby. Why are we doing this? Don't create no. Okay, great. Don't have to have one more human. That's right. I'm very excited about it. But I'm so sorry that my phone off you. Normal. No, no, no. I get it. Please continue to remember what you were saying. Oh.

28:36Yeah. I love it. Dude, the, the, the, to me. Like this, once you start applying this to everybody and you realize, like a lot of times we're like using a mode of communication based on our experience with our particular job or business or whatever and trying to get other people. Right. Or even your, the way you were raised. Right. This is you who learned this mode of communication potentially from lunatics. Like you can't choose where you're born. That's very true. And then those people enter into conversations thinking that everyone else understands they're what it's like to come out of that kind of universe, man.

29:19And then you're like, you're an asshole. No, you're an asshole. And it's like, no, neither of your assholes. You're just applying, you're trying to get people into your reality tunnel. Instead of at least like finding the middle point between yours. There's the worst. Especially, but like it's one thing of you're having some argument, some stranger. But especially when it's like a good friend. Joe, I remember what you were saying. What was I saying? You were saying when people have an agenda. Like when you're in a conversation with somebody like that and you detect some kind of slight agenda in there somewhere.

29:50Oh, I was saying you, some of your best fake arguments about things, you get real subtle with it. Or I'm like, what is, what is you serious? Like, is it? Right. And then you'll slowly. Right. I got you. I got you. I got you. Yeah, that's, oh yeah, I know exactly. So if you were doing that with like normal people, it would take a long time for them to figure out what the fuck you're doing. And then when they do, they're like, why? Why did you do that? I know. Then they could never send in. They would never trust you again. Yeah, it's a sociopath. What do I, you just told me his sister was eaten by a bear last week?

30:33What do you know? And I'm realizing that there's a, there's another layer of comedy. There's another layer of comedy. It's Green Room comedy. Right. Green Room comedy is some of my favorite comedy. The best. Some of my favorite comedy. We were crying last night. Yeah. We were crying. Yeah, every night. And it's cool because it's got this rhythm to it. Yeah. Like sometimes it gets quiet. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Then it will start up again. It's so cool, man. Yeah, it's a really interesting thing. It's that two shows, two shows a night is goddamn magic. Because you get so loose. Yes. You get so loose and so silly.

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33:59Yeah. Or do... This isn't possibility. This is happening. Yeah, isn't it created that it was an idea and now it's a real thing? Yes. It was an idea and now it's a real thing. That's the... I had the wildest idea about ideas once. That what if ideas are a life form and the way they manifest in reality is they get into a person's brain and then influence that person to take action to create them. The same way, like a parasite will get into a grasshopper's brain, like those aquatic worms and they convince the grasshopper to commit suicide so that they can be born. Weird shit happens with parasites.

34:43What if ideas are a life form? Does everything that exists, that human beings have created, just think about the fucking immense amount of objects that we've created? All of them came from ideas. All of them. And we think of this is my idea. I had this idea, but we both know that ideas are very strange. They come to you in the weirdest of ways. It's the reason why people believe in the muse. It's the reason why Pressfield's book, The War of Art, is so good. Yeah. Because when he documents this sort of journey that he goes on every day when he writes where he summons the muse, he does it like, and he is in his mind.

35:27It's a real thing. And then starts to write and treats it like a ritual. What if you're going to be there all the time? What is happening there? What are you summoning when you get these ideas? Whether it's summoning something that's a creative work, like literature, or whether it's the invention that changes society forever. Like all of them came from ideas. Yeah, and a lot of them, like a lot of the great ideas, like Tesla, he just openly emits. It came to him in a vision. Yeah. He saw it. He doesn't even describe it to his own mind. It was like a vision. Don't you feel that way about some of your best jokes?

36:07That they just pop into your head? Yeah, but you know what's weird about Tesla? And I'm sorry you guys if I'm wrong about this, but I read it and was blown away. And I think it was on his Wikipedia, but I could be wrong. Apparently he was thinking about Faust when he had the vision. Now, I hope I'm not wrong about that, you guys. Jamie, Jamie, would you mind? I'm sorry, dude. I could be wrong, and I'm sorry if I am. But the, yeah, Faust is about, you know, an alchemist. He makes the, yeah. How poetry inspired Tesla to design one of his most important inventions? Do, do, do. There it is. Faust.

36:53Yeah. One of the lesser facts known, one of the lesser known facts about Tesla is that it was also a great fan of poetry. It was an expert of... I think Gerda. Gerda's, Gerda's, Gerda Faust. Gerda's, Gerda's, Gerda's, Gerda's, Gerda's, Faust that inspired him to finalize his invention of the alternating current motor, the term world -changing invention, certainly applies to this innovation. So what inspired that was a poem, I thought it was a play, a poem about an alchemist selling a soul to the devil. So all of modern technology originated from the inspiration that he derived from a poem about a satanic bargain.

37:35Whoa. Is that wild? The Faustian bargain. The Faustian bargain was the, according to the person who invented it, was the inspiration for technology that we are still using today. So that, then you go back and you think, well, what inspired Gerda? You know, and then you realize it's like this crazy wave of... Like it ripples through time. Like somebody gets inspired, writes it down, it's beautiful. I don't know how long passed between when he wrote that and Tesla had his vision, but certainly, obviously, Gerda probably had no idea that when he spent the time writing that thing and trusted or write it down, he was going to warp the entire planet.

38:26His poem was going to ripple out and warp the entire planet just from a poem. That's wild, man. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that nuts? Especially, I mean, it's so meta. You weren't wrong, it is a play, but it's written in verse. So it's a poetry else. Gotcha. Wow. 1808. 1808. Someone write a cool poem about selling your soul to the devil. Try to now, there's self -driving cars.

38:59Oh, what the fuck, you shit. Oh my God. Ideas are stringing. I mean, even back to the club, the idea of the club. You know? Yeah. When we were all talking about doing it, these ideas were just like, yeah, and then we could do this. And then we could do that. Yeah. Should we have this? Should we have that? Yeah. We spent a fucking year and a half doing this. There was a long process before it actually got built. Well, that's the problem with ideas. It's like they mimic, and I'm not just saying this because my wife's pregnant, they mimic childbirth in the sense that there's some kind of gestation period.

39:39That's, there's the, you're inseminated with your inspiration. Yeah. Then you got to start growing it, and then the phases of growing it, or it can be like really torturous and long, and like somewhere in there, you're like, this sucks. Like this is really the dumbest thing of all time, and then you keep working on it, and maybe you realize that's true, or you find the, you fix it. Like a puzzle. But that, you know, that is why so many people I think are like letting inspiration come all over their face, but not letting it inside. Right.

40:16Well, it's, I always tell people that the way I try to think about things is bandwidth. I try to think about, I pretend there's a number. Let's say that number is a hundred. I have 100 band, one 100 units that I have for my information, for what I'm allowed to think about, that what I can use my brain for. Anytime I put stuff in there, that's nonsense. Anytime I put stuff in there that's negative or unproductive, or at least it's funny. Anytime I'm putting stuff in there, that's taking away from all my other stuff. And one thing that people need to understand is that one of the things your brain will do to protect yourself from whether it's the pressure of success or succeeding or accomplishing things, your brain will, when you're presented with the stress of trying to accomplish something, it will put extra emphasis on all these stupid things in your life to distract you.

41:21Yes. And it, it almost like protects you from the stress of having to do the work. And you see people sabotage their lives, sabotage their careers. You see it happen to artists, musicians, fighters, comedians. It's a normal thing that we do, just as human beings. You get freaked out by what you know you should do, so you spend more time paying attention to the things that you shouldn't do. Yeah, man. Self sabotage. Self sabotage. And very real. And, and based, at least my own assessment of it, it's based on the delusion that the feeling of procrastination is less painful than the feeling of doing your work.

42:10And it couldn't, it's the opposite. Like procrastination you spread it out across your life, like your weeks, you just spread this nice shitty coating of procrastination, mild anxiety. Generally, general like sense of like, I'm a piece of shit because you're not doing it. And then, when you finally get around to doing it, you realize that thing you didn't want to do is so fun, most of the time. Most of the time. Engaging, interesting, but if nothing else, you feel so much better because you're finally taking care of it. Yeah. And you realize all that anxiety, all that, if you, if you somehow could quantify the amount of anxiety you're going to feel procrastinating versus the amount of anxiety, you're going to feel doing something.

42:55You know what I mean? It's exponentially more anxiety from procrastinating. Yeah. So the, so the logic is all wrong. It's a fucked up way of dealing with the problem. It's a master procrastinator. You know, I feel like I can talk about this because like having identified, it's always feels better when you do it. Always. Then you, your brain will, orion, I think in a more healthy way. I hope mine does eventually. No, it, I think also Duncan, you know, you're, you're so busy. And you're so busy with your family and you're so busy with your podcast, you're so busy with your comedy tour. It's like, yeah.

43:31It's very hard to allocate time to do stuff. And one of the ways I have it easy is I have a gym right here. I'm a gym at home. I make it easy so I do it. Right. And I just, I have to do it. If I don't do it, I don't feel good. I don't think good. I don't act good. Right. It's better for me. It's medicine. And so I take my medicine and then I'm, and then I'm happy Joe. Hello. Yeah. I'm everybody's friend. I want to give everybody hugs. Right. And I want to be nice. I want to see everybody succeed and grow. And I'm not in my own head. Right. I'm free. Right. So I have to be free. I, I, and for me, I feel like the human body, especially when you've put a lot of demand on that body over a long period of time, like I have, it has requirements.

44:15Yeah. It's like a dog. You know, when you have a dog, one of the things that I do with my dog is I exercise that dude. I throw the ball for him. Yeah. I play with him. We jump in the water and swim together. Dogs need exercise. Right. They need it. It's like of, and when he gets it, he's like chill and relaxed. And when he doesn't, he's like a little antsy. You know, he could tell he's a little down. Right. He wants to exercise. He's, he's a dog. We. Yeah. It's fun. He likes chasing that fucking ball. Let's go. Right. He gets so excited. I always feel like I'm boring him. I'm like the ball again.

44:47He's like, fuck yeah, the ball again. Let's go. Yeah. It's never not fun for him. Yeah. And so that's his medicine. And when he gets his medicine, he's a happier dog. Right. And that's my medicine. Yeah. It's just the thing you have to do to maintain your body at the best form. Yeah. And if you maintain your body at the best form, you have the most energy. If you have the most energy for thinking, you have the most energy for activities. You have the most energy for anything physical that comes up. You know, I'd like being strong. I think it's important. I think if I could give, if it was an option in pill form, like could you, would you take this pill, there's no side effects other than your health will improve and you'll be much stronger.

45:29Would you take it? Yeah. Everybody's going to take it. Sure. Everybody would take it. Yeah. Of course, well, that exists. It's just not a pill. You just have to exercise for long periods of time and be very consistent. You made me picture in my head how fucked up will be to come home. Your dog is laying in bed playing video games with like some Kleenex on the floor next to you. You would take him to the vet like immediately you would take them to the. No, I'd be like, how long you been doing this man? You could play video games. Can you talk? That's what I'd say. Do you remember my bet? Do you remember my bet about the talking dog?

46:06Yes. You can talk. You can play video games. We're going to be rich.

46:17Oh, fuck, man. We shouldn't get high anymore. Oh, man. Yeah. If your dog was playing video games, it'd be the coolest thing ever. You could go play video games with your dog. What if he's good? Society would collapse. Like that would be the end of society. No one is fucking anymore. I just played video games. They were with their dogs. Just get a dog. That's going to be a real problem sometimes soon anyway. They're going to invent something that allows you to orgasm with your mind. There's going to be some neural link type deal where once they tap into functions of the mind and start expanding the abilities of these neural links.

47:01It's going to be nuts. And they're going to figure out a way to reproduce more effectively with less errors without biological sex. Sure. And since gender is just a construct anyway, everyone's just going to slowly eat plastic until you dick shrinks. And we're all going to become aliens. You know, man, before we become aliens, which I honestly, I buy into that idea, but before we become aliens, all the weird shit in between us becoming aliens, that's the part that, like what the neural link stuff or the inevitable whatever the brain interface shows up has. The inevitable day that someone hacks into whatever the server is that's dishing out feelings or whatever it is to people attention.

47:49There will be like an orgasm wave because someone's going to hack it. Someone's going to simultaneously give like an incredibly powerful orgasm to everyone on the planet. And you'll just watch it around you as people like come super hard because everyone's neural link got hacked. If that's going to happen or whatever whatever, or something more sinister. I don't think if I was an evil dictator, I'd make everybody come. Yeah, but if you're a troll, you would if you're unfortunate, you would. If you're a devil, you have to do it. 100%. 100 % orgasm wave. You'd watch like the president, they time it with the president's speech and you see what Biden looks like when he comes.

48:31Probably starts yelling. Bang, bang, bang.

48:40Yeah, I mean, that's the, I love that part of society is interesting though how there is a subconscious to society. Like, within society, there's the self that people present and then underneath it, there's all the shit nobody sees. All the shit that people do behind closed doors, all the shit that isn't that person they put out front. And you know, the bigger the tension between those two things is the worse your life is going to be. But the, yeah, man, it's just weird to think about that. Like, no matter what, no matter how professional a person presents us, no matter how like they've got it together, they seem to have it together.

49:21You don't know. Yeah, you never know. It takes spaghetti paths. They could go home and just cover themselves and spaghetti and cry. A lot of crying. Yeah, so that to me is interesting. Like, within society is a whole hidden realm. And specifically, as far as I'm aware, no one has seen a president come in the public. Like, it's more secret than aliens. Like, there's no video of a president coming. There isn't it that I'm aware of. We will never know. You don't think on Epstein's Island, there's videos of presidents coming. Like, you would play them like over and over again. Well, do you, why do you think Epstein had that giant painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his four -year?

50:09Dude. Do you know that picture? Yeah. Is that painting? Epstein's taste in art was not great. Like, if you look at the shit. So that was great. That, that painting is like, I got you, bitch. That's what that is. All right. You got a president who was on the flight logs 26 times. With Epstein. And you got that guy in a fucking dress in your house. Okay. I'm dumb. I'm sorry, dude. I'm officially dumb because I've known about that picture. And I've just been like, why would anybody want that? That is, I got you, bitch. That's just a like, hey, yeah. That's I got you, bitch. That is terrifying. That's terrifying.

50:47Imagine if I knew some horrible dark secrets about you. And you came over my house and I have a giant painting of you right when you walk. And I walk into the front door of you in a dress. Yeah. And I'm like, hey, buddy. Hi, welcome. You're right. How fucking terrifying that would be? That's terrifying. You know he knows about it. I mean, you walk right in and bam. There's that painting. And now you kind of control a president. Holy shit, dude. Holy shit. That's crazy. About 100 % what they were doing. 100 % what they were doing. Dude, I just don't even want to think about it. I don't want to think about all the entities.

51:31We'll never even know about that ride presidents around like a fucking horse. They just gallop around on them, just riding them around. We got another president. We did it. We laughed so on another one. We got one. And they didn't. That is so crazy to think about. Like a president who is being extorted, the president of the United States being extorted. Yeah. And like what that would feel like to be the president and know that you are no longer actually the president. Yeah. That you are now the like you are just a puppet of some other fucking thing. Oh, dude, I hope that's not. I would I think you're right.

52:11But God damn that sinister. I wish it was just bad taste. Just shitty fucking art on your walls. Uh oh. No. Oh no. You can't the shitty art of your friend who you flew with 26 times. All right, Joe. I just I didn't put it all down. I didn't put it all together. You're right, man. No, that is clearly what that is. Yeah, clearly. Oh, it's wild. It's wild. I got to pee. Me too. Let's go back. Where are we? Man, you were creeping me out. Because you were like there's like you have a talent for creeping me out, man. Like, uh, like when you describe bear attacks, you know, fucks me up for a while or shark attacks.

52:55But yeah, we were talking about, uh, we're talking about the Epstein Clinton painting and how, you know, sort of like the implication of anything like that or the reminder of anything like that is because the the our leaders are human and humans are culpable and hackable. And it's easier to invade a country or take over a country by just control the leader. You control the country. So there's clearly a pressure there. There's obviously people who love to do that and probably try, would try and have probably succeeded a few times, meaning that our understanding of democracy as like the president represents the people.

53:38It's like totally wrong. In fact, it's potentially someone being controlled by people you'll never meet or maybe never even existed. Yeah. It's creepy. That can't be true. Well, it's got to be true. Because if it was, well, they would never, if you had an enormous organization that controls everything. Yeah. You control everything in the country. Would you really let a new person just run it every four years? Right. Whatever way they like. Right. Wouldn't you, if you're there forever, you're there forever. You're not there for four years. Yeah. You're running the various agencies and like, wouldn't you make sure over time that you secured enough control that the president really is just sort of a figurehead?

54:34Joe, I am a doctor and I'm sorry, but it seems like you're in the same sort of misinformation. No, yeah. Malinformation? Malinformation. Malinformation. Put the thing up. Say this was fact checked and is wrong. Because to me, it feels like, yeah, you're like implying that the president's president of the United States past presidents or controlled by secret groups. Or, I don't know, corporations or something. That sounds crazy. Well, it's preposterous. Yeah. It's preposterous. The real estate democracy without such an even possible. Nobody, nobody on this planet would ever want to control the United States without having to invade it.

55:21Nobody would ever want to do that or try to do that or succeed in doing that. Goddamn, man. You definitely couldn't do it with money. No. Presidents don't like money. No, they generally shy away from it. Most of them are dead broke, even when they're in there in the White House. Like, you know, they're like dead fucking broke. That's why Bill Clinton ate McDonald's. Every day. Every day. People had a loan of money and shit, dude. He would get his car booted and couldn't afford to get the boot off. Yeah, this is why all of our American politicians are like. The poppers when they get out. Middle income.

55:58It isn't a wild how much they actually make. It's an insane amount of money. You look at how much money they get after they get out of the White House. Yeah. What are you doing? Like, wow. How'd you make that much money? You just got back into business. Yeah. You weren't in business at all. Jump back into that and I was keeping business. Now you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. That's kind of crazy. You know, just some, you know, actually I have a blind investor. I have a, what do they call it where they don't know the investments being made? Like, I just happen to have like a really good business, dude, who like invested the $10 ,000 I saved up before I became president.

56:40And it turned into millions. The most transparent one is speaking fees. Because it's speaking fees are a way that you can give people money. You can just give them money. And they perform the thing. They talk and it can be the most uninspired, nonsensical, horseshit talk. It doesn't matter. They're going to get a half a million dollars. That's right. That's just a normal amount of money that you get. And then you go here and you make it over there and you go here and you collect from everybody. So you have some sort of financial arrangement, but that financial arrangement is about speaking fees.

57:15See, this is what I'm talking about, man. This is the liminal or subliminal part of the human experience. What you're talking about right now is upsetting to people. But also a lot of people will say, don't even talk, you're not even supposed to say that. Like, and even though it's true, like even though it's in plain sight, trackable, traceable precedent for it in the past, not even that, like astounding. You are supposed to like rest in this strange dream world where human beings experiencing some of the most power you can have in the world. Don't go a little or totally or completely insane or don't get hijacked or don't get like we're supposed to pretend that doesn't happen.

58:07Right. When you look at the president, look like does Biden seem like he'd be hard to trick?

58:24Would you even have to trick him though? Maybe. I mean, I think it's so hard to know what goes on behind those closed doors and they're making decisions. Don't want to see they made it. They sent an extra bill. How many billion dollars they accidentally sent to Ukraine? 6 .2 billion was an accident. They accidentally sent it. Yeah, 6 .2 more than they were supposed to. Well, then they just sent some more. That must have been a rough phone call that. Accounting Aaron provides an extra 6 .2 billion for Ukraine military aid. Whoops. Sorry. Hey, what's up? It's Duncan. Look, I kind of fucked up. I was a little bit of ketamine when I was doing that.

59:05You've whatever the transaction. So, can you send back the $62 billion? 6 .2 billion dollars actually sent to you? Can you just send it back? Because you think if it's a clerical air, right? Then they're going to be like, oh shit. You know, I didn't notice the $6 .2 billion going into my account. That's how rich I am. I'll send back. There's so much money. Because like at some point, you know, it's just, I don't even know what it is. Just billions, lots of billions. Yeah, it's pretty weird. The Pentagon said Tuesday that it overestimated the value of the weapons it sent to Ukraine by 6 .2 billion over the past two years about double early estimates resulting in a surplus that will be used for future security packages.

59:51Oh, don't worry about it. Just use it for future security packages. It's a security package. It's a surplus. What do we know, man? Security packages. We don't know shit. That's just saying we're going to keep sending money forever and ever. Security package. It'll just go back into the pot of money that we have that we have allocate. That's a big fucking pot. Future Pentagon stock drawdowns. Look at that. Future Pentagon stock drawdowns. Ew. Why does that sound like they're playing a game? You know what I'm saying? That's like sounds like a game. Carlin's got the ultimate bit on it, man. Like the evolution of war language.

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1:03:20It's confusing and it's also it has this air of authority to it like the judge wearing the robe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By talking about it that way, stock draw downs and you know, Pentagon's allocated money. Money is the same money, but in May they found three billion more back then. If that's 10 or if it's whoops, they just doubled with their. Well, their keyboards probably broken. Like some mistake. It's a mistake. It's like it makes mistakes were people, but we're all doing the right thing. Easy to fuck it up, man. It's like we got to take it easy on these people and again, like you if you even though it is like mainstream news.

1:04:04Yeah, that's what I like that's so brilliant about it is that they're just like yeah, you know, it's a pot. We had a pot and it goes in the same pot as others. And it goes out there. Everyone sees it. Everyone's busy, dude. Yeah. And no one has time to really like start thinking about. No. Three points to billion dollars. Six point two. Six point two billion dollars that we've all put into that pot. Like every single person living in America has put some dollars in that pot. And some of those dollars, you know, bridges are fucking collapsing. You know, it's it is should be mildly frustrating to people mildly frustrating to realize.

1:04:47Six point two billion dollars of like fireman checks. Teacher checks. Nurse checks. The frontline workers. That's that that that money is like doesn't that matter enough to for them to like be more careful about it. And also when they fuck up like that, where's the apology? You just blew six billion dollars of tax money. And it was a mistake. You're not keeping like imagine if your accountant made the same mistake. Just basic accountant. Would you keep that account as your accountant? And if you did, you're a fucking idiot. You got to fire that account and get an account who doesn't like misplace so much money, right?

1:05:39Yeah. And especially if the account didn't apologize, which is like, oh right, well, as you see. We have a different pot where some of your money gets a pot thing. It's allocated. It's allocated. It's not drugs. Do you know how complex our pot system is? You should see it. I've got a thousand pots back there varying sizes. They did change according to astrological shifts. Don't even worry about it. It's just a pot. I kind of got to go. Okay.

1:06:12Come on. Like it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. It's very wild, dude. Very. It's very wild that they just keep printing money. Jacking up the inflation, printing money. I love that one because it makes it into the printing money thing, which obviously have money printers. It's really funny about that. Somehow people believe that that money doesn't go just right, hot off the press to people in the building. Or that it doesn't, like some of that money gets shifted around. Or some of it is printed. I know I'm sure there's, like, no, there's securities in place. We have securities in place.

1:06:53It's numbered. We've got to come on. Right. If you have a money printer in America, are you fucking kidding me? If you're the main printer of money in America, like you're the one who presses enter on the computer to print out $2 trillion to all this.

1:07:12Wow! You're like, that's like living next to the sun. You're just... You're just... You're just... You're just... Man, you being that person, what does one even mean to you? Nothing! It must be so weird. It's so weird. These pieces of paper are everything that people are struggling for. And you know the smell of it? You come to work, you come home and you smell like money. You smell like the ink they use for money. You have to pour ink into... I mean, like, what do they... Wow. What's the ink come from? What does the ink come from? And you put it in and what does the ink, the pre -money ink look like?

1:07:51No, they have to do it in a very complex way so it can't be easily duplicated. I mean, just think about how silly it is that paper money. Like, it's paper. It's kind of paper. Paper. That you can't duplicate, like no one can duplicate that. Like, you have to make it so complex that it can't be counterfeit. And change it up. Yeah. But they have like little things in them. Like, you look at it a certain way with like... Yeah. I've seen it. I mean, it's gotten increasingly like... You know how you talk about the... I love it. The race, the evolutionary race. Like, every time like gazelle has to get a little bit faster.

1:08:29And then if it's getting faster, the predator has to increase its speed. And so there's this like evolutionary pressure to like keep things going faster. Same with counterfeit, right? It's got to be. Like, so they were like, okay, we saw the problem. We put a like triple hologram underneath that is... It would require 700 micro sheets of paper to duplicate. Somebody's looking at that and being like, how much money would it cost to duplicate that? And they're like, oh, probably a million dollars. And they're like, great. We'll pay for it with a money we print.

1:09:03We'll take the loan, print the money, and pay for it. And then they're like, fuck, they figured out duplication technique. And then our hologram technique. And then they're like, fuck, we got to put something else in there. And then it's just a never ending, I imagine. How long before we're a cashless society? Hopefully forever, dude. I hope forever. I hope we net... Like, it is so scary to imagine the like losing the privacy, losing it all completely because every transaction is in the public eye or observable. That's really scary, man. I mean, it's like, I don't even do anything interesting with my money.

1:09:42Like, except like, the tip on the road. Like, you know, I use my card and I know that argument is that's traceable. I ain't really realize that. But it's scary because there's an option. You want to just like blow some cash on something you can't. You could just like, no one will know it's the whatever it is. Not that I would ever use cash for anything other than legal purposes. It's just like, you know what I mean? Like, one day in the future, everything will be traceable. That's right. And that's, you know, this is where I get... This is where being raised in Episcopalian. And the book of Revelation is going to...

1:10:19It was a Christian, you're going to read it. This is where I get scared. Because it's too similar to the mark of the piece. It's too similar to exactly what it says. You won't be able to trade, you won't be able to do anything. Unless you have the mark, unless you bear the mark. So... What is that in that term? How is that described... How is the mark of the piece described in the Bible? We should read it. Because I think you're on to something. We're now officially podcasting. This is fucking it. We're opening up the book of Revelation. Yeah! I can't worry about that. I can't worry about that.

1:10:54Yeah. The mark of the beast. It's like you can't do anything. You can't sell. You can't... If you don't take the mark, you're fucked. I mean, that's that's that. If you remove the ability to trade currency in a private way, you are now controlled. You are now monitored. That's like... Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast whose mortal wound was healed. It performs great signs, even making fire come down from the heaven to earth in front of people.

1:11:39And by the signs that it allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. It also causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave to be marked on the right hand or the forehead so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark. That is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

1:12:24This calls for wisdom, let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is 666.

1:12:40You know it's a wild of that stuff, reading that. It's really clear that they spoke differently. And also really clear that you're getting a translation from another language. This is the best version of the English translation they could give us. It gets weirder when you get to the original. Like when you get to the original, because one of the reasons that seems weird is because that's a code. It's not like it's mint, it's encoded. There's some kind of other thing in there. Jimmy just pulled this up. The classical Greek word, sharam, sharam, sharam, sharam. Sharagma. Translated as Mark of the Beast of Revelation 1316 can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted or branded stamped money, document or coin.

1:13:38The mark of the beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian eschatology. So that's a code number one, two, you know, just one way to connect to it. And it helps when you're honest like Adelic is forget about the whether or not any of it makes sense, but imagine like a mind produced that. So whoever wrote that, like, what was their consciousness like? Dude, that's some heavy shit. And it's so specific. When you get to the original, at least I haven't done it for the book of Revelation, but the book of John, it becomes even more intense. And more like, wait, what? In the beginning was the word logos, logos.

1:14:29So you realize suddenly within it is this psychedelic cosmology that in the beginning there was like truth, there was just truth, uh -huh. Reality. And then that truth like manifested extruded itself into time space for a second to like talk about like heaven or to talk about like the real reality outside the simulator, whatever you would have called it. And this is the best and it gets translated in a lot of different ways. It was something like it was a light and the darkness and the darkness did not understand it. So it's like the truth appears in the darkness. The darkness is like, I don't, we don't even know what this is.

1:15:12I can't see it. I don't understand it. And then that was the, like Jesus is a representation of that, the manifestation of that possibility of like pure truth appearing in a world of darkness. And wow, dude, that's fucking cool regardless of historical truth or whatever. That's just a beautiful and deep heavy way of talking about parallel universes or the possibility of things happening on a planet where people have gotten completely lost. Or suddenly in the midst of that something appears that isn't lost, that is like a pure representation of a higher consciousness or something. Sometimes it likes to talk.

1:16:00It's like when you, it's like sending, like you're putting yourself in one of your Sims in Sim City. You just go down there and you're like, okay, here's what's going on. And then pop back out. And then they kill him. That's the best part. It's like the, the, and so the book of John, I just look this up because I'm writing about it. But the book of John is Matthew, Mark Luke, synoptic gospels. They have the same stories in the mostly. John, not synoptic, and has all this weird shit in it. And not that any of the other stuff isn't weird, but particularly weird stuff in it. And so those three gospels, they have within them something that I've always struggled with understanding the logic, which is to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

1:16:47Sacrifice the God, child, drink his blood, sins, cleansed. Whereas, book of John, it has less of a focus on that and, or the redemption through the crucifixion. And more saying the crucifixion itself was the ultimate, because it was the like collision between light and darkness, where light, instead of getting aggro, fighting back, just like prayed for the people killing it and died. And like, dude, you're not going to sleep at night. If you're crucifying somebody who's praying for you, who's like looking at you and loves you, not a fake bullshit spiritual way, but loves you and knows you, knows no new forever and loves you and truly forgives you.

1:17:38Oh, dude, that fucks the whole game. I've been ruins darkness. It's the ultimate atom bomb in the face of power. Yeah, go ahead and kill me. Dude, it's really cool. So, you know, regardless, the book of revelations and all of that stuff, I think it, it clearly emanates from an expanded consciousness if nothing else. Like, do you think there really was a Jesus? Well, I think, you know, I read that controversial book by Resa Aslan about Jesus. It's pretty good. It's called, oh, geez, Jamie, I'm sorry. I don't know the name of it. I, it's so dumb, man, I can remember what books say, but I can't remember their titles.

1:18:19But yeah, he says apparently there are references to zealot. And it's controversial. I know some people don't like it, but I enjoyed it. But it says like, apparently, there are references to a Jesus. But never described as Messiah, but as a magician, who was going around healing people and stuff. So there is some reference to the being, but you know, I, like, I get so bored with the attempt to find those historic Jesus. Because I think it really misses the point altogether. Like, I think like you get so caught up in like trying to like find the grave or whatever, that you lose track of regardless of the truth of this being walking the earth.

1:19:08Does it change the substance of like the parables and their referencing of some realm, a transcendent realm, a possibility outside the suffering of the mundane world, outside of like sucking emperor dicks, seeing you get a little bit of power. Actually, there's something in any person's life, like you can just like wake up and see it in the kingdom of heaven. No, sis. So to me, I don't care if just a lot of smart people who are trying to convey an ancient cosmology, created like a character to embody that. Because I don't think that was, to me, that's not the point. I know for a lot of Christians it is, and I don't mean to fend y 'all.

1:19:54It's just, you know, I'm sure any Christian out there, if you're not like wrestling with the Bible anyway, you know, you should wrestle with it. You're, it's meant to train you and get in your head and like grab you and confuse you. And then it's an amazing work. It really is. Like the new testament. I mean, all of it wasn't one of that one of the controversial aspects of when Martin Luther translated it, when they translated it into phonetic language so that people didn't have to know Latin to read the Bible. Yeah. And he, one of the more controversial things is he was like, I think he was expressing something very similar to that, that you're really supposed to like get out of it, what you get out of it.

1:20:37It's open to your interpretation. I think it would, it loses all its power if it requires an actual flesh being. And, and, and I get why people want that. I understand the argument, but like to me, with it written within it is like, you know, the communion, for example, right? Jesus never said, here's how we're going to do communion. He did like say something really quite beautiful about which is like exactly the like maybe the sweetest thing you can say to your friend, if you're dying, which is when you eat good food, remember me. And when you drink wine, I'm going to be in that wine. Oh my God.

1:21:23That's so sweet. It's so beautiful. And it's like such an invitation for everybody. Like anyone you can all eat, I'm in your bread. I'm in like, I'm in what the life force itself to the point where you can connect with me just through basic like dietary stuff. I love that. It's beautiful. Like it's such a great way of fucking up the middle man, the priest class, the hierarchical bullshit. It's like, no, I'm here. I'm completely with you right now. Yeah. Just you got to reach out. And so these whoever what whoever wrote that, I think that's what they were saying. It's like you're kind of in a weird part of the multiverse where it's easy to forget.

1:22:06There's a lot more going on than what you think is going on there. Yeah. And it's easy to fall prey to all the tricks of that place because it's a tricky place that wants you to worship it. And you don't have to do that. Like that's beautiful. So yeah, I don't care who it. I don't care who whoever wrote it or the people who wrote it or the you know the how whatever the true story is. It's going to be a mystery forever. But yeah, but it's such a fascinating mystery. It is like I wish I could read Aramaic and then read the Dead Sea Scrolls. God, I know man. Because that's the oldest one we know of, right?

1:22:42That's the oldest version of the biblical stories. I'm pretty sure man. I mean, I wouldn't I'm pretty sure. I imagine there's fragments and stuff that like it's so fragmented that they had to use DNA to determine whether or not the scrolls were from the same cow. So like when you would find pieces of animal flesh that were from different cows, they knew okay, we'll put that in this pile. God damn dude, that would have been a fun archaeological date to be working on. But also what a mind fuck. You know, like trying to piece that puzzle together and try to figure out how old is the Dead Sea Scrolls?

1:23:20Like 4 ,000 years old or something? Dude, I don't know. I have no idea. See how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are. I know they found them in Kumron. They found them in clay tablet or clay pots. Third century BC. Wow. Wow. Yeah man. I mean, then like when you get into like the Torah Hebrew, when you get into like the, a lot of the stuff Jesus was referencing and you get you realize like not only is it like powerful writing with like incredible parables in it about like way society collapses or families collapse or a life collapses. It also is like mathematical like that that you know I can't remember the name or there's a whole thing where you like the number you know I know we've talked about this God in nature same number like.

1:24:15God in love is the same. Yeah. So it's what the fuck it's ancient Hebrew. They are their numbers doubled as letters. Yeah. And then you see there's an intentionality to that patterning. Yeah. And so then then you realize like oh so like on top of telling these powerful stories they figured out a way to encode within the powerful stories more information. Yeah. Only people are going to find if they dig deeper that's designed to be there for you if you want it. But you've got to want it. You got to dig it. You learned that shit. They abandoned it. You think about how complicated ancient Hebrew. Oh yeah.

1:24:56I guess you're right. Yeah. Also uncovered was a 6 ,000 year old skeleton of a partially mummified child in a 10 ,500 year old basket which Israeli authorities said could be the oldest in the world. A CT scan revealed the child's age was between six and 12 with the skin tendons and even hair partially preserved. What 2021 I don't remember hearing about this. I don't remember hearing about that. I don't I've never heard that. Wow. It's like 8 ,000 BC. Yes. Are you even walking about 8 ,500 BC when they found this basket is made? Wait. What is the can we read that among the recovered texts which are still on Greek is Nehum 156 which says the mountains quake because of him in the hills melt the earth heaves before the world and all that dwell there in who can stand before his wrath.

1:25:46Who can resist his fury his anger pours out like fire and rocks are shattered because of him. Fuck. I mean that's nature. Wow.

1:25:59Let's see hold up. Go there. So the authority said these words differ slightly from other Bible versions shedding a rare light on how biblical texts changed over time from its earliest form. The dead the does these girls have a lot of really weird stuff in them. Like what? Well, you know the Christian stuff the John Markle ledger stuff from the sacred mushroom in the cross. That's that's all his interpretation and I'm sure you would have to be a scholar to understand even what the fuck they're saying. He was essentially saying that you can trace back the word Christ to an ancient Samarian word which means a mushroom covered in God's semen.

1:26:40And he thinks that when God orgasms on the earth things would blossom from it. This is like what the way ancient people used to think of when it rained. They said literally think God was coming and then when those mushrooms would just appear out of the grass which you know mushrooms grow really quickly you know that. Yeah. So when people would wake up in the morning and see these mushrooms after the rain and they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off. John Markle ledger believed that this was the source of the original Christianity. And it was a lot. It was about psychedelic rituals and it was about fertility cults.

1:27:20Yeah, it was about people trying to try to duplicate trying to have children. I mean, that's crazy man. Oh God, that would have been so fun to trip back in. It's from God's jizz. Yeah, unless your knee breaks and there's no doctors. There's no nothing you just die infection die. Yeah, there's some drawbacks. Oh, there's a lot of drawbacks on drawbacks. No pedicillin, no antibiotics, no vitamins, no grocery stores, no hand washing. No hand washing, no knowledge of what's going on with bacteria. They probably washed their hands occasionally. I mean, they're killing fish. I'm sure they're shit. We're not doing right now.

1:28:09I'm sure. It's a species that we should be doing like some thing we're in the future. They're like they didn't they didn't tap their pineal glands every morning. Right. What? What if that other one hack? Yeah, it is what a hack that makes you live longer. But yeah, man, I think if you explore the psychedelic universe as an as an existent place, that is has its own consciousness, its own mind and is interested in spreading itself into like little bubbles of like, I don't know, parts of the universe that have forgotten about it. Yeah. Because that's the thing. We get amnesia of it here. Everyone's able to amnesia to that reality.

1:28:54It exploring like, you know, the idea that sometimes it wants to send a letter here. Yeah. It tries to break through not just the Jesus, but with any like what we call a Messiah or prophet or whatever. It's like a leak in the dam separating us from eternity and paradise. And these leaks appear in the form of people saying these things that run counter to power structures. And almost immediately the leak is sealed, crucified or whatever. And then the whatever they were saying it's co -opted. And suddenly a hierarchy appears within the things. So now you've got a pre -class in Christianity. There's a there's a hierarchical systems of Christianity.

1:29:40And that's fascinating to me because like the the thing that my understanding of it is like you don't really need a pre -class. Like you don't need any you and me. Like you and truth. You get to you get to hang out together without anybody telling you actually that's not the real truth. Your mind is broken. Here's the thing. What brings us back to cults. Yeah. When one person is the person who decides the way things should be and makes the rules. The translations. Yeah. And they dress like the Pope. They dress like the Pope. There's a well I mean there's so many costumes for it. Yeah. Like but generally if you see someone wearing a costume and it's not Halloween, you know or you're not like a convention, you better watch the fuck out especially if the person wearing a costume is telling you that they are such an authority on this subject or that that you can't even fucking question it.

1:30:43Yeah. That you're questioning itself is offensive. Now you got to watch out because if that's happening you could be in a cult. Like if someone's telling that to you if they're like we don't even ask that question. Yeah. You know that's you better watch the fuck out because that once people start doing that man. Yeah. You know they shut down then now they're shutting down the truth or the joy they come from turning on the light in the darkness. You know like the joy of when someone comes to you confused, truly confused and you give them like real data that can change their lives. You know what I mean now you're ruining that possibility.

1:31:21Not to mention you're telling people not to trust their rational mind like the essence of who they are. Like this could be off a little bit. Ooh. You gotta watch out man. People in costumes. Yeah. People in costumes. It's just wild that it works. Police uniforms and you know what if cops. How to just wear guns and like a badge around their neck with regular clothes. That would be a disaster because like so many like at least now if you want to like impersonate a cop you gotta like go to a costume shop. You know what I mean now anybody like I'm a cop. Isn't that crazy though that like they have an outfit that wear an outfit.

1:32:06Yes with a star. Yeah. With a special star that imbues power. I mean this is credentialing. Right. Like this is like once you have gone to university for a certain amount of time. Got deeply into debt to the banks. You are given a credential or like a license right to practice whatever the particular thing is that you went to school for but you you like essentially have like given the banks all this fucking money. To get a magic star on your certificate where people know okay this person is the real deal. And that is really like fascinating man. You know when I go to a doctor I want to see some fucking certificates on the wall but I never in my life go into a doctor.

1:32:54Like remember the certificates in gone ham and like did he really go to that university. I never. Never. Well they have caught people doing that pretending to be doctors. No. Leasing office space setting up fake things on the wall. Dude I saw a whole forensic files about it like I think a guy did surgery. Oh my god. Like I think a guy was like had his hands and people's guts who tricked them into thinking he was a doctor. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Some people are fucking crazy. Yeah man and it's like I just think about it like if it's like people are printing money. You think people aren't printing certificates for themselves of this school and I just knowing in general people are lazy.

1:33:39No one's gonna look this up and if they do I'll just change my phone number. If they don't I'm a fucking doctor now. Dude. I'm a doctor at a hospital. Wow. Yeah. Well there's always been frauds. There's always been these weird people that pretend to be somebody such a strange thing. It's just like an exercise and how well you can just keep pretending. You know because you got to pretend for a long time and you're gonna tell people stories about where you went to school. Yeah. What hospitals you've worked out and yeah. Yeah. It's it's camo. It's like it's just like any other predator man it just figures out how to like blend in or turn into its prey and then boom you're in there.

1:34:25Why are we veering into this paranoid land? It's like so scary to think about that but I guess you're supposed to. I guess that's it's important to like recognize that aspect of things or you get like you get fucked over usually. Usually you have to be aware that some people are just full of shit. You have to be aware that some people are just their sociopaths. They don't have the same sort of emotional connection to others and what they're doing is like trying to play a game like I'm going to pretend to be a doctor. What who says I'm not a doctor? Yeah. I'm gonna talk like a doctor. I'm gonna listen to doctors on YouTube and the way they describe certain procedures.

1:35:10I think I can do those procedures. Yeah, fuck it. Just a pliers on someone's tooth. Pulling out of their head. Just lying. I'm a dentist. I'm a dentist. How hard can it be a dentist? It can't be that hard. There's just teeth. How hard would it be? You just put some putty. It's just drill it in your teeth. Yeah. The nurse doesn't know. She thinks she's a doctor. Yeah man. She's just a nurse. She got hired. Yeah. Or the dental assistant. I don't even know if it's right. What is just an assistant with rubber gloves on? Just someone who works there. Yeah dude. Like what the fuck? It's like we, you know, again you just have to, like it's, you realize like if all you have to do is put on a costume and you know.

1:36:00Maybe not everybody. But enough people are going to think that you are important or more advanced than them. Oh we have to just put on a costume. Yeah. Of course people are going to do that all the time. All the time. People do that with business suits. They wear business suits. Yeah they wear business suits or, and you know people, there's something suspicious about it. It's like shouldn't, shouldn't just what you're saying or your skill set be enough. Like the fact you have to indicate on top of that by wearing like a weird outfit. That's suspicious. I mean I'm not saying ceremonial garb is important.

1:36:44I get it in like certain like rights. Like you know the, the pre -swearing, what they're wearing all has significance. It's a fractal. It represents something like. I'm not saying that auto means something's fucked. I'm just like, but it's just such an exploitable flaw in society. You know that's all. It's like if an if it's exploitable it's been exploited. I mean there's like clearly you just go on YouTube. Some lunatic just decides to start pulling people over. Yeah for sure. I wonder if anybody's ever pretending to be a Disney employee. Like give people tours. They're just a crazy person. Oh my god.

1:37:24It's like somehow you just get the Mickey Mouse costume in there. Yeah, just how could you? Well I bet there's so many employees. How could you know? There's a way. I mean you could certainly like sneak in and probably find a costume and like get into it and then just walk around Disney World and nobody would know. Florida man pretended to be Disney World staffer to steal a famous character. Police say, oh there you are. A heist. Florida man. Always Florida man. One year ago today. Oh interesting. A man allegedly pretended to be Walt Disney World employee by wearing a name tag, work pants and a work vest to the theme park in May.

1:38:00Florida man who was looking for a security job at Walt Disney World has been accused of stealing a character statue from the park in May. Wow. Oh R2D2 statue worth up to $10 ,000. Wow. Jesus Christ. 10 grand for an R2D2 statue. You guys switched to Disney. I found the story of a teenager who got access to two different hospitals and bought a car for like $50 ,000 before he got caught. This says he just went up to the like customer service area and said he lost his badge and someone a volunteer gave him a badge at one of the places. Oh my god. Amazing. And he got into all kinds of places inside the hospitals.

1:38:42Oh my god. I don't think he did anything but it also says he bought these scrubs for like $60. He had access to critical care areas including emergency room, intensive care units, operating rooms, cath lab and even newborn nursery. Oh my god. So this fucking maniac was just around people's newborn babies. Nurses became suspicious. Bailey went largely unnoticed and spent weeks hanging around the hospital from March 31, 2022 to April 28, 2022. Then one night in the ICU, nurses got suspicious. In the ICU, he was talking about his girlfriend and cars and just all sorts of stuff. And the more he was talking about, the more I felt something is not right.

1:39:25And unidentified nurse told investigators, I don't know if he was specifically asking for access to the computer. But he was just mentioning that he doesn't have access and he was asking how you get access. Nurses found Bailey's social media account and realized he was not who he said he was. They reported it right away and the teenager was escorted out. His badge was disabled and the police got involved. It took him a month to figure that out though. That's crazy. A month of him just wandering around. What a weirdo. He was talking about girls and cars. I threw him off. Like what is he talking about?

1:40:00He's supposed to be working. Why is he spending so much time in the newborn area? Just wandering around with his badge dressed up like a nurse. Did you ever see that there was like some YouTube video like people realize if you carry a ladder and no movie theater you don't have to buy tickets. Like if you walk into a movie theater holding a ladder, people just assume you work there and you just like these kids were just filming themselves going into places with a ladder. It's like the ultimate key to get you in to anywhere. That's so ridiculous. Dude, I know it is ridiculous. There's just so many levels of society that if you don't have any ethics or morals you can just hack it.

1:40:39Yeah. So it's like just terrible really. You guys have four million views. You can walk in anywhere with a ladder. As long as you look like you know you're supposed to be there. Don't stop you. He's in a restaurant. Just walked into the kitchen. Five -star hotel. No one stops him. I see people doing this at the Oscars at different music festivals. They just get the credentials and just show up and just find the right person. Oh, it's a level ladder. Yeah, it's crazy. We don't number our cinemas. Yeah, cinemas are not numbers. Oh. This guy just... I can get that. I don't know if it's had a green looking a.

1:41:22Oh, okay. Yeah. Look, I don't know. I mean fortunately for us there's like lots of people who aren't false prophets. That was the word for it, false prophet. Like I think that's in the book of revelations of the rise of these false prophets who like wear the costume. But they're the opposite of the thing. Most people I've met, like from the Romdos retreats and stuff. Certainly my meditation teacher David, Nick Turnne. If you've just met him talking to him, you would never know right away that he had like trained with Chogim Chupa Rinpoche, one of the great Buddhist teachers. He's not putting it out there.

1:42:02It's not like you know what I mean. But then and other people at those retreats, you forget like you'll meet these people who've spent their entire lives meditating, like living in caves in India. But they're wearing a Hawaiian shirt. So you don't you just forget for a second. Like you're talking to them and then you realize you will realize because there is a difference. There is something there that's like what's the big difference? You know what are the closest thing I can point to. It sounds so weird. Like the times I've been hanging out with you every once in a while being out with a UFC fighter or like some weird seal or something.

1:42:43You know like some dude who like is like you know they come to the UFC whatever. So you're hanging out with them and then you realize like this guy is like for someone who like could murder me right now is the nicest guy I ever met in my life. You know what I mean? They have this glow. They have this like they're tuned in to in this way. Now I don't mean to compare spiritual teachers to UFC fighters. But I think what they have in common potentially is discipline. Like real rigorous hard core focused discipline upon some system. And with those teachers man there there's this like Chloe non -Bolshiti very authentic quality to them.

1:43:28And inevitably you presented them something that's bothering you or whatever. And they have this way of just instantly shifting the energy around it so that you feel like it's manageable. Or you can it's not what you think you realize fuck man I had framed this in this horrific way. And they just have this ability to shift that not like in a bullshit way like always look on the bright side kiddo. But a real compassionate way of like I feel like you do it to people sometimes like you see people. And then sometimes people are really good at seeing people. But they're not going to forgiving what they see or they're not going to seeing like there's a possibility in anybody to be happier.

1:44:13Yeah. Right? And seeing that possibility they just see the shit that's making them unhappy. You know and focus on that and those people are dicks. But like some people can see through that to like where you could be. And they believe you could get there and they do it effortlessly because they're trained they've trained themselves and being compassionate. Yeah. That's fucking incredible to be around that energy man. I mean it's like a good feeling because like you know when you're doing it it's not like you're all fake ha ha you get serious. You know there's a seriousness to it when they're talking to you when they're having that kind of conversation.

1:44:49It's not like frothing necessarily. And but mixed into that seriousness is like they're just trying to get through to you like to show you something. Right. Because they want you to be happy. Yeah. It's very hard to know sometimes like what if someone is being real or if someone is putting on a role. Well yeah well yeah. The the the the the Chugumchova ribache with the one way you could know is whatever the particular tradition is it's being articulated or whatever the thing is it should feel like fresh baked bread right out of the oven. So the energy behind it is like does not feel stale musty.

1:45:36It when you're around it it's like even though the traditions they might be connected to are old as fuck. You realize like oh shit it's the tradition itself is like irrelevant like what the tradition was pointing to is outside of time. And so you know what I mean so that that's that's where you when you're around it you don't just get the feeling of like fresh baked bread you get the feeling of like this is like cutting edge like you're around like really advanced technology like a feeling of like whoa this not only is this like right here right now in this moment but I've been blind to it like I couldn't even see it until like now I'm seeing it.

1:46:20And then that idea behind that is not for you to go to them so you can keep seeing it the idea is like then hopefully that sets you on fire so you your life becomes something like within your life is an attempt to like kind of remember that or see it or like you know recognize it but this is why we need friends. Because you will forget it or offer get it yeah and we need people to like not like hey you sinner whatever like maybe just in the way they are yeah to get very weird when they move off on their own away from their friends to some new place. Dude yeah it gets real weird real weird now you have your family but you don't have any friends like you don't know anybody there it's a bizarre reset yeah man it's like it's fucked up because it takes a long time to have good friends like you know years and years and years get invested in like an informal way yeah man and you you know that's the thing like you gotta this is a that well they call it sucks.

1:47:26It's a song is the name for it but it's like a spiritual community it's a fancy like word for a formation that appears in all things it doesn't have to be connected to some spiritual out it's just like this energetic like affinity or happens between people and sometimes you'll meet people and you know like you know them right away you feel like you've known them forever like there's an instant click with some people you know that's the satsang like it's beautiful and it's like it's like a lot of people. It's it's a it's a great name for a very normal thing I don't think it's like necessarily crazy or like it sounds maybe I'm making it overly spiritual but you know I meet people sometimes and it's like I've known you forever and it's like we're picking up a conversation seemingly that we've been having for like many lifetimes just like that feeling.

1:48:21That's just because it's so refreshing when you meet someone who's genuinely engaging with you in a conversation it's the thing that people normally do right you have conversations but how many people do you meet they're really good at it and how many people that you meet how many people do you meet that when you have a conversation with them it's like really enjoyable it's really and there's a lot of like like there's a dance going on it's not just one person just spitting out and you just taking all the details of the world. Life's journey like okay and then what did you do? Oh wow so do you talk to your sister still?

1:48:57Oh you know that's called as you're on now. Oh info dumping. Yeah info dumping. Oh that could be exhausting even when someone has a fascinating life sometimes that's exhausting because it's such an attention hog of the conversation like it's it's hogging up the whole conversation now because when you info dump you know your life generally takes a long time to describe so this is like if we're hearing dinner for 40 minutes. It's a speech like bring slides if you're going to do that bring slides like do a presentation of visual presentation bring slides. Listening it's like like it's like when you get like when you get around a person who's listening to you regardless of like how good they are conversational like when you realize someone's like actually like listening and you know that that that that feels incredible man and especially when like they're mixed in with that listening is like love.

1:50:11Wow like it's like it's the best it's the best feeling ever and even if like you don't you don't agree on shit or you're going to get confused about stuff or whatever. Yeah man it's listening. We just listening is like for some people it's like it's very difficult. It's a dance. Some people suck at it. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. You know it's it's also requires concentration sometimes people don't want to concentrate or agenda. Yeah. The other problem is agenda. Yeah. So it's like you know I love chatting with you and like any time an agenda starts popping up in the midst of our conversation I try to banish it from my mind.

1:50:56So I like pop back into the moment. But that agenda when that creeps into somebody you can see it on their face. You're like fuck man they've already decided what they're going to say to me so why do I why do I even keep talking. And they're just and now they're wrestling with you. Like when people want to debate about things you know that it's not really about the ideas it's about them trying to win. It gets so exhausted. It gets a disaster. I know that people love to do that certain people that love do that like I don't want to do that. Dude I've done it I just feels horrible. Yeah. Because what do you like any like especially in like an argument people you love.

1:51:41Sometimes you being right it's like it sucks like great so now you're right. Right. So now you're angry and right now what like now I'm now you're just angry and right no connection has been made nothing is like changed other than you are right and you're angry. And that's man that's sad when anytime like you win that kind of argument it's just like nothing happened nothing changed. Don't say it's going to save us as Nurelink. And once we get those things synced up and then there's going to be no misunderstandings no miscommunications and everyone's going to be held accountable. There's going to be an awkward couple weeks when Nurelink comes out there's going to be two weeks of real awkward moments.

1:52:26And you'll find out how people really feel like all these dudes who like have these like if you're like an 80 year old guy and you married to some 30 year old Instagram model. So now you've tripped yourself and if they do I know what you really think is about you. Oh my god I don't really like it'll put gold digging right out of business or they'll they'll have to get really good at masking their intentions. Yeah. Or they can they can like assume a persona for a certain amount of years to acquire a certain amount of money. Or at least like if you let someone come digging your gold it's consensual.

1:53:07You want to come dig in my gold. Right come dig. It has to be that. I have lots of gold. Once there's mind reading it's going to have to be that way. Yeah. It's just like hey can I dig in your gold for a couple of weeks. It's going to be one of those deals for like I mean no disrespect to them. To gold diggers or prostitutes but it's basically prostitution. You're doing it for money right. If like if you're if you're some lady who's a professional temptress and you can cling to some 82 year old billionaire. Yeah. Like that is a very good financial bargain. Like if you could somehow or another getting that will like how's that work.

1:53:49I don't know if you love me or not. So why am I not in the will when I tell you that I love you and you tell me that you love me. Where's what happens when you die? Am I going to be taken care of? Yeah. Duncan. Yes. Yes I'll put you in the will my dear. Show me. Okay look here. Show me. There it is. And then once you show me gobble gobble gobble. It was worth it. Especially with their old like fuck the kids. Fuck the fuck the ex wife. Fuck the shareholders. I 82. I just think probably like if if I was gold digging. Number one, I would like have to trick myself into thinking I'm not gold digging to successfully execute a gold dig.

1:54:39Right. Like I have to. So it's like yeah it's shit's rough man. I've been able to pay my rent. Things are kind of fucked up. I was hanging out with Bernie. He happens to like you know he has a massive amount of money from his business. And you know I don't know. He just I know it sounds crazy because he's so much older than me. But I feel like we have a connection. You know what I mean? You're right. I know you won't understand it. It's outside of time like this is the ages of just a number. Yeah. And so you to fully pull off the heist so to speak. You believe in what you're doing. And some because it's a human being.

1:55:17And because really like at some level Bernie is still 30 year old Bernie underneath all whatever is collapsing around him. You do connect to that. Yeah. And you do start loving it because the cognitive dissonance of being a pure of sociopath is too much. So you fought you a part of you falls in love in a weird gross way that definitely would probably end the moment. He's like I don't care how many times you suck my dick. I'm not putting you in the well. But but maybe while he's alive it's worth it just for the perks. I don't know man. I mean I'm sure you get a Ferrari. I would love to hear an honest and it must exist.

1:56:07An honest story about a person who did that because I could imagine like the beginning phase. You have this idea in your mind. Well really the fucking awful idea you have in your mind probably is that money is going to heal all of the emotional trauma that led me to a place where I manipulate old people for their money. You know what I mean? This isn't you get the money and then you are your face with that awful realization like oh fuck I'm still fucked up. Yeah. He died. I have all this money. I'm still fucked up. It didn't work. And now I have to live with that. I mean it's really really sad.

1:56:48Truly. But I mean also people like old dudes who have like you know hooked up with camgirls. I get it. Let him. Yeah I get it. Let him. But I get all of it. Let him. But you know. But what's interesting is like if a woman does like marry an 80 year old billionaire then he dies and she gets all that money. She carries that for life. Yeah. Like everybody she meets is going to be like she used to be married to her. And then when he died she got billions. Everyone's going to be like oh she's odd. Yeah. This is a verse of the. Yeah. She's a bombshell and she married some dying old man. Yeah. It's going to be those people.

1:57:38Then it's going to be people who are like that was badass. Congratulations. Good job. Yeah. This is going to be some people like that. But that's just a narrative. That's like a movie narrative. Like what you were looking at is a deceptive person. It's like it's a weird con game that you can do with people's emotions. Dude it's just you know man like fucking survival. Yeah. Survival is embarrassing. So when you get scared. Hmm very embarrassing. And when you get so scared that you you you're so consumed by your own fear. That you allow it to control you to the point that you like. Become a manipulator or a con artist or a rifter or whatever.

1:58:27And like behind it is just fucking fear. It's like you know like you people get mad at the TSA. It's like you can't really do much worse to the TSA than what they're already doing. Do you know how bad it sucks? I imagine to like rub down people all day long. You have to drive to the airport. You're not going on a vacation. You're going to like be rubbing the back of your hand against irritated stranger dicks all day long. All day long. All day long. And it's like if it's if a judge sentence someone to that. That's cruel and unusual punishment. You would be like no you can't do that. Like that's inhumane.

1:59:08So it's like with this archetype of person man. I think like the suffering they're experiencing the confusion, the lack of security, the uncertainty, the realization at some level of their like in authenticity. That is a pretty intense punishment just by it. They're alone. Like what's your. But is it a punishment if you don't know anything else? It's like if that's one of the things like you remember when Gary Coleman was a security guard? Yes. And people would like show up to his work and make fun of him. Yeah. No one would do that to a regular security guard. But you do it to a guy who used to be famous.

1:59:54You do it to a guy who used to have something. Right. And now they don't and now you can just throw rocks at him. Yeah. It's so brutal. It's weird. It's weird because it's just a regular job. There's nothing wrong with having a regular job. But if you had escaped that world and you had made a lot of money and then all of a sudden you have to go back to it and have a regular job. People feel like they openly could mock you. Yep. Very strange. Right? Very strange. Like, ha ha, you have to work. Right. Just like all of us. You have to work. Like, yeah, it's work. Like, what do you do it? Why are you yelling at this person?

2:00:37Right. Why are you creeping this person out? Dude, it's the person. The Coleman thing in particular, man, I remember hearing that. Did you see the photos when he was dead? He got a gold digger. And like when he was married to this lady, she took a photo for the gram, like right next to his body. You ever see that photo? No. Here, see if you can find that. Like, she took a selfie with, yeah, look at this. So here he is. She put that on her Instagram? Look at that. I mean, it was a while ago. So I don't know what year we're talking about if they even had Instagram. Like, I get doing that picture just because you want to remember someone you love or you want to remember.

2:01:22Or whatever. I can't imagine. Publishing it though. Poor dude. Poor dude. Poor dude. What the fuck in rough one? Whatever rough one man. And it starts out with this amazing thing. All of a sudden, the America loves you. You're on a television show. And you're the star. Yeah. That is one of the wildest things that happens to really young people. They put them on a show and they're a star. And then the rest of their life is trying to like... figure what the fuck happened. Yeah. Like, what? What was that? What was life? Dude, I mean, this is the whole... Right now, there's this huge... debate over like the model of Instagram influencer that films their kids all the time.

2:02:16Oh. Right? Like, the argument is like, you know, if you want kids to work in the movies, there's all these protections from the really intense protections now. But the Instagram stuff that you're monetizing, like filming your kids, and some kind of weird self -produced reality show, there's no protection for the kids. Like, there's no like... You know, I think child actors now, their money gets put in a trust. You know, that... So there's this huge argument right now over like, is that even like... Should that even be legal? So there's just like babies that have their own Instagram account or something?

2:02:49Like, what do you... It's a mode of... It's like a... I don't watch it a lot. My wife's like, tells me about it sometimes, but it's basically a mode of like, you know, putting up YouTube content. So you're like parenting YouTube channel. You're filming your kids every day, all day long. Filming them like, sleeping, filling... This is up for instance. This is... This is happening a couple of times on YouTube. Child abuse charges against YouTube channel mom, underscore the lack of oversight for kids. Law and insurance professional child performers are safe, educated, and not working too many hours.

2:03:24But they don't extend to stars of popular YouTube channels. Oh, wow. Yeah. And so you have like really overzealous parents, exporting their children. Dude, it's like, it's relentless. And I think some of the kids are now like coming of age and talking about how fucked up it was. You know, because it's like, it's the birth day. And then the toys they're getting them, they're giving them for their birthday, are toys that have been given to them by brands. Oh, and so there's a video of them opening up the toy by the brand and that acts as an advertised word? Yeah. So it's... So like, it's birthday, it's turned into a commercial.

2:04:03What's that name? It's where he's fucked up. I mean, I'm not going to share all of the details, I guess, but it's not good. Oh, boy. Yeah. Child stars of YouTube hit fantastic adventures allegedly abused by adopted mother. The children told police they're adopted mother, starved, beaten, pepper sprayed them when they failed to follow directions for videos, official said. Dude, I don't remember who this was, but Aaron showed me. I guess like one of these people... And again, this is a second -hand information. I didn't read it, but I know she's like, sees this stuff. Basically, there was some protection that got put in place where if you wanted to watch their video, I don't know what it was.

2:04:56They were being demonetized or any... So they were going to have to go behind a paywall. And they were... I don't know. They were saying something about how like... Something about pedophiles admitting they knew pedophiles watched those kid videos. You know what I mean? And like, trying to rationalize the way they were doing it because it was making it harder for the pedophiles to watch kid videos to watch them. Some crazy shit like that. But that's the other really fucked up aspect of it is that when you have a huge audience and you're showing your kids in bathing suits, there is a definite percentage of the audience that are not interested in watching your kids Saturday, barbecue or whatever the fuck you're doing.

2:05:43Remember when they figured out a way in the YouTube comments? They would leave time codes for when the camera was like... Instagram algorithms connect vast network of pedophiles seeking child pornography according to researchers.

2:06:03Not to mention they're deepfaking their kids for sure. Like they're taking the kids and they're deepfaking them and God knows what. Can you scroll back up to the top Jamie? The top word is... So parent company Betta says establish a task force to combat the problems. And it says Instagram's recommendation algorithms have enabled a vast network of pedophiles seeking illegal, underage sexual content and activity according to a Wall Street Journal exposé. And a 2 ,800 word article published Wednesday the journal said it conducted an investigation into child pornography on meta -owned Instagram in collaboration with researchers at Stanford and the University of Massachusetts Samhurst.

2:06:49Wow. Holy shit dude. Yeah man. Yeah this is like... The fucking organized pedophile network. Yeah you really have to think when you're putting your kid online. Like regardless of like whatever it is because you have to understand you know you are showing pictures of your child to strangers. And now there's technology. I mean they're already like you think they're just deepfaking celebrities. Right. And so you know then add to that the monetization. In other words so when you're filming your kid and you have a very popular YouTube account with like featuring your child. You know that when you upload that thing.

2:07:34Like people are watching your kid and jerking off. And these people maybe know where your kids go to school or they live. You know what I mean? So that is an emergent issue right now. For protection. Yeah. Yeah it's like one of the weird things as we approach the singularity. It's like one of the weird cultural issues that haven't been dealt with yet. Well I've been very lucky to talk to a lot of people that were famous when they're young. You know from doing this podcast. Yeah. And I've never met one of them that came out better because of it. I mean every one of them is just like struggling to try to figure out why don't I get exposed to all these strangers as a child.

2:08:22Yeah. Yeah. Why was I exposed to all that attention as a child when I'm supposed to be developing, interacting with people, trying to figure out how to move my body, how to talk, how to interact. Like why am I doing this publicly at SITS? I mean your childhood was converted into money. Yeah. Like they took your childhood, dropped into a money machine. And it's like and you couldn't consent. And then your parents were so excited. Well the parents are usually getting rich. Right. And they're also saying like thank you. Look at this life we have. You're so talented. So then if you start feeling like I don't think I want to act anymore.

2:09:03I don't like this or this feels fucked up. I just want some more free time. All the guilt. All the guilt kicks in because you're like I got to keep doing it. It's keeping my parents afloat. The whole lifestyle. Oh. I mean it's so fucked up to do that to get. This is to deal the kids childhood and turn into money. That's a great way to put it. And then pretend that the child is complicit. Yeah. You you trick yourself as a parent and thinking we're all on the same team. Isn't this great? What an adventure. And it's like dude I you know just my kids don't like it. Sometimes when we are just taking pictures and I don't blame them.

2:09:42You know I hate it when people take pictures. But you know any parents take pictures of their kids. But sometimes my kids are like they don't want the funk. And it's like okay okay no problem. Imagine all day long. All day long. Mommy's setting up another shot in the kitchen.

2:10:01It's spooky. People are so nuts with attention. Do you hear about that one guy that crashed his plane on purpose for YouTube views? Yes. Okay jumped out of the plane. Height. Like let it fucking crash. For views. For views. I mean I guess when you're doing the math and you think I'm like. It makes the deliberately crashing plane to get YouTube views. So like this guy just jumped out of a fucking plane.

2:10:35So like who knows who's kid that fucking plane is going to slam into. Yeah. Imagine you're hiking with your family. This is amazing. Beautiful mouse. And you get hit in the face by a plane. By a plane that was like flown by a YouTube influencer. Why would I mean just ruin that plane too? Well I think the calculation is he knows the number of views he's going to get on YouTube will generate more money than the plane was worth. So there's a profit there. Like whatever you paid for the plane is probably less than what he'll make from YouTube from that video.

2:11:12And he got video footage of the plane crash. See the camera on the plane. It is so crazy we could do this now that we can convert our lives into money. It's so crazy you could like just film yourself doing shit. And then like maybe make so much money off of like just stuff that you know normal stuff. So was this guy trying to say that he the plane crash happened with him in it? Was he trying to like fake that? And then he had a hike out? Is that what he's doing? Or did he like let people know that he jumped out of the plane and filmed that. And that was an accident. That actually happened in 2021.

2:11:53Oh. And they just found out about the whole investigation happened. It's cool man. There's videos of pilots watching the video. And like making commentary on why it's suspicious because like apparently you look at the plane. And there's stuff that should be in a plane that's not in a plane like expensive stuff. Yeah he said it's like that he was acting like the engine went out and he had to bail. Oh. But he also then went a new word crashed and when it's knocked back in and pulled the wreckage out before like F .A. could go and investigate. He pulled the wreckage out? Yeah. He says it told him to preserve the wreckage.

2:12:32So he waited two days to report the crash. I think he had already gone and towed it out of there something like that. Huh. More than two weeks after the crash he had a friend and flew a helicopter to the crash site and airlifted the wreckage to Rancho. Siskwalk in Santa Barbara County where it was loaded onto a trailer attached to Jacob's pickup truck. Isn't that wild? Yeah he unloaded it and hanged or drove the wreckage to an airport. He then cut up and destroyed the air paint wreckage and over the course of a few days deposited the attached parts of the wrecked airplane into trash bins in the airport and elsewhere.

2:13:11Wow. Three million views off of that.

2:13:18Yeah. Super normal would be just chopping an airport and airplane up and putting in trash bins all over the airport. Think of like your inner dialogue. Is your depositing your plane wreckage? What would you do to a body? That sounds like he's doing to a body. Yeah. He was just trying to like it's such a complex way to get YouTube views. Yeah. It worked though. It worked. But now he's going to go to jail. Yeah for maybe a long time. Really? Yeah. Like I think so. I'm in the years he faces. Holy shit. 20 years for a stupid YouTube stuff. And a penalty of up to $1 ,644 for each day he did not return something.

2:14:06I mean we do need strict penalties for sure to keep people from just like dropping planes out of the sky on us. Yeah. Yeah you got to set example for a guy like that and that guy could. Dude. And who knows where that planes. What happens if that plane catches wind? That's so wild. It flies into someone's house and then the guys are mass murder. When they were making YouTube and the early days I don't think they ever thought that like there would be plane crashes because of their technology. I don't think they ever thought like this thing is going to like influence society and just destroy lives.

2:14:44People are going to ruin their lives for views on this thing. Imagine that guy had a plot out where the plane was going to crash too. Because he had to be jumping high enough where you can jump. I don't know what that threshold is but you got to be pretty high up there where you can jump and then film yourself before even pull the parachute. So he's filming himself. Yeah I mean it was a plan. So that fucking plane is way up there. Way up. And that that soccer is how long do you think it flies for? That's a could he could have killed people. Easily to present. I mean the assumption is no one's going to be out there but I mean that's a huge assumption.

2:15:26Such a huge assumption you could hit another plane. There's a lot of things that can happen. Yeah. You're way up there and you're bailing out while it's way up there. So it has to be up there enough where you could jump out. How high was it when he jumped out does it say? I'm looking for more details. He was said he was trying to get a sponsorship deal with who better help. Who is a sponsorship player? I can almost figure it out so I'll just let people look that up. You can kind of guess. It doesn't say the name of it though but what do you mean you can kind of guess? It says it's a wallet company.

2:15:58Oh god. Jesus Christ. He's trying to get a sponsorship. I mean this era of capitalism is so bizarre. It's so bizarre. The way people are manipulating the system or just the what they're doing. Wow. That's what I love. Regardless of how. Also you have to like ethics aside. Whoa. Yeah. That is badass. Like pull away the ethics. Just look at like purely what? Not only did you like fly your plane in the sky jump out of it but yeah. He represented the United States as snowboarding in the 2014 Winter Olympics. He's an Olympian. Whoa. And then he like put himself in the worst situation and managed out.

2:16:44And then he's like to hike out and then like monetize it. Dispose of the plane. He has a friend with a helicopter who was like, yeah sure. I'll get your wreckage. Fuck man. That's like pull the ethics out and it's like what a fascinating rotten dude. Yeah right. Like whoa. He's got a friend with a helicopter that pulled plane wreckage out of the mountains. He's got like those are that's that's how you know you got a friend. Yeah. Well you're paying him a lot. Right. Because like what was what he was doing illegal? Like yeah you do there's probably some rules like if you have to report a plane crash you can't just like take the wreckage.

2:17:23I imagine there's enough like ways you could talk your way out of that one. Really? Yeah. I didn't know. He told me he reported it. Yeah. I didn't know. Yeah right. That I'm sure. Yeah. I mean. I don't know. What? I don't know. I'm just out here working. Fly my helicopter around. I don't know what's going on. I'm just picking up a broken plane. I am but a helicopter pilot. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine the helicopter pilot is like probably sweating a little bit but he's probably okay. Right. Like is there going to focus on the maniac who was playing into a mountainside for YouTube views? What a world.

2:18:03What a world. It's interesting because whenever these emerging technologies exist like social media sites where you can do things to get attention. You're going to see certain people that they grab a hold of it in a very weird way. Certain sociopathic, psychopathic members of our society who go, I know how to do. I'm going to pretend to assault people at the mall or I'm going, you know, there's a lot of those. That shit's so weird. And they do it for some of them get fucked up. Like they've jumped people at the ATM machine like pretend, jump, give me all your money and the guy just beats the fuck out of them.

2:18:50Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's a prank. It's a prank. They always seem shocked. Yeah. That's the, like, why are you shocked? Yeah. They're living in the internet. Yeah. I've seen a few. I saw that, like, I think some kid at home depot just got slammed to the ground. Like, you know, they're trying to fuck with these, like, old, but big people who are, like, definitely, like, the best part of their day. Is beating the shit out of something. Yes. A little puke with a cell phone. Yeah. Maybe they're a year. Yeah. Boy 16 fatally shot during prank gone wrong in Northwest Indiana. Oh, no. Oh. He was shot and killed when an apparent prank gone wrong.

2:19:3116 -year -old was found suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest in the backyard of a residence just before midnight. Officer McGam and ministering CPR victim showed no signs of life. He's pronounced dead at the scene. Police had the initial investigation to determine the victim of an 18 -year -old were in the back, the victim ended 18 -year -old were in the backyard with friends when the 18 -year -old pulled out a gun as a prank. And it accidentally discharged striking the boy in the chest. Oh, that's different. That's different. Like, he didn't, ugh, god. Goddamn it. Jesus Christ. It's just, you know, this technology man, like, it's just, it's growing and we're like, yeah.

2:20:15It's been introduced to this population, this biome, and like, yeah, it's like any other thing when you introduce it to an ecosystem, like, it causes problems that you never expect. Yeah. Real problems. Is this similar thing? This guy got shot doing something, I guess, like, one of these YouTube videos where they're fucking with people in a store. This is what I'm getting off of the video. Is it another guy? He was fucking with someone like I shot him. It says, he was harassing the gunman. Oh, boy. Yeah. So fucking sad.

2:20:51Good night, everybody. Imagine being a kid just trying to figure out what to do in this world. Imagine being a teenager and you're looking at all the different possibilities for your life as an adult. Like, what are you going to do for a living? Yeah. And influencers, one of those. It's real. That's a real possibility now. Yeah. Yeah, it's totally man. I mean, yeah, or like, you know, the other possibility, the new job is prompt engineer. Of your that. No. Prompt engineer is a name of per... Like, it's like essentially an AI whisperer. It's someone who knows how to tell an AI or specific instructions that work for some goal.

2:21:31And so generally, like, that's like art, maybe, like, because, you know, talking to mid -journey, which is this insane text art, AI. Like, there's a lot... Like, when you... Like, the amount of weird specificity involved. Compared to $375 ,000 a year and you don't know it's required a background attack. Oh, wow. So one offering $800K the other day. Jesus. Isn't that cool? It's like, now there's a job where you talk to robots. Where you're better at talking to robots than other people. That's a real job now. It's... And God knows the other weird... Like, by the time you and I are super old man, like, what the shit everyone's gonna be doing is gonna seem so odd.

2:22:17Yeah, and it's happening quicker and quicker. That's what's weird. It's like, society is transforming culturally quicker and quicker, technologically quicker and quicker. It's like, it's going to make these giant changes that are gonna happen at such a rapid rate that it's gonna be hard to remember when they didn't know it. It's gonna be a big success before. Yeah. There's no time to get used to it anymore. There's no time. Yeah. You used to have so long to get used to say, even like stupid news like the Roomba, which was like, remember when those little little robot came out, everyone was like, what the fuck?

2:22:52But we had time before the next thing came out. Now, because of AI, it's working on things and solving problems so fast that like, they already... Jamie, did you see that thing? It already like, solves some big problem in medicine. It's like, it's already like, figuring shit out that's gonna have direct applications to a human lifespan, curing diseases. And the amount of time it might take to get to that point with human brains is way, way longer than the AI brains. Is that the Founcy Embargan? Because in the process of giving up your, your, the way source information to artificial intelligence, then just starts to take control of our other aspects of your life.

2:23:36Why don't we just do government? We can do government better than people. Yeah. Do you have to pee again so bad? Yeah, me too, man. And we're back. And we're back. Dude, uh. It's so hard to concentrate when you have to pee. It really is. It's crazy. It's like, you barely can form sentences. Like, I don't even remember what we were talking about. I was just like, I had a pee so bad. Dude, I love that we never remember what we were talking about. And it really, I think, is it like irrelevant, honestly? Yeah. Ultimately, because it's like, what's on your mind right now? Yeah, just what's on your, what's going, what's on your mind the second, man?

2:24:11It's just like, fuck. I just, you know, the fact that like, this is a conversation in like the UFO universe that's happening, which is watching all these like hardcore. That's not where I was. Death is good. I just realized that my thing fell off. The like hardcore skeptics, hardcore skeptics are now, it's just interesting to watch. And again, until I see a UFO, I'm going to be skeptical. Yeah, super skeptical. But it's interesting to watch the gradual shift that's happening in people who are like big time debunkers. There is, like not like, okay, I think they're real. And I don't blame them for saying I don't think they're real, because it's like really, all you're, all they're still going off of like, just people saying it's real.

2:24:55But the fact that the people saying it like Marco Rubio coming out now, do you see that shit? Right, but isn't it interesting, this is my observation. What they're saying is they talk to people who say this. Right. That's everybody. It's could, including Grush. Grush is saying that he has access to information, and he was aware of information. He was aware of things that the public wasn't aware of. And so he wants to be a whistleblower, because the public deserves to know about these things. Yeah. But he has no access to it. Well, Rubio said he talked to people in the government who said they had first hand.

2:25:40Right. But he talked to people who said they saw the thing. Under oath, though, right? Right. But where are those people? Like, until those people are standing in front of the camera going, I was on the spaceship. Yeah. I met the entities. They talked to me through telepathy. Yeah. I think we might be close. They've got that hearing coming up. Right. And I know that a lot of the, I like to believe that a lot of the sort of careful wording of things right now is to protect people who worry that they'll get killed. They have a sense of like, shit, man, they're going to kill me if I tell you this.

2:26:26But because he did it, I'm going to come out and say it. And, you know, so they, I think they feel like, shit, we've got to be very, very careful to protect these people. I don't see any benefit for any body in the government to go on statement saying that they've talked to people within the US military who have seen UFOs. What's the benefit there? Like, if it's not true, you're going to look like the biggest dipshit on earth. You're going to be ridiculed. It's going to ruin your career, potentially, as a politician. So I don't see much of a benefit in them coming out and saying that stuff. That's the part where it's like, I can't trace the how Marco Rubio, what's he going to, what the next time he runs, he's going to be like, I'm the guy who got tricked into thinking there was UFOs.

2:27:14Right. Yeah, it has to hit sort of a wall of public demand. You know, where the public demand is like, hey, what is, enough people are talking about it. There's enough whether it's Commander David Fraver or the New York Times article, Jeremy Corbell, all these different, different videos that get released. There's enough credible people talking about it that they have to kind of address it. And if someone like a senator, like Marco Rubio, how's a conversation with someone when they're saying, yeah, we have crashed UFOs and we have alien bodies, and we're hiding it from the people. Yeah, dude. And then that where it gets...

2:27:54And this has been going on for 80 years. Here's the deal. If you are a politician and you realize we've all been briefed on this shit and it is coming out and you, you other people don't have the guts to come out and say it, you realize to be the first politician who came out and told the truth. Now there is benefit there. There's a lot of benefit and like the courage to come out and like support whistleblowers. Because dude, I read an analysis of it that's so creepy because it points out that US taxpayer money is being allocated to... If it's true, I'm saying. Our taxpayer money is getting allocated to some organizations that are outside the control of the US government.

2:28:43This is... And has been doing it for 50, 60 years. This is unconstitutional. Like you can't do that. Like what does that mean? That means that there is a second power structure within the government, a truly like a secret something. And that is like... Like you were paying for it. And if you're benefiting from the technology, if you're selling the technology to private contractors and making money off of it, like that's supposed to be for us, free energy, whatever it may be. So that is where it's sinister, sinister. Well also imagine if you're the government, imagine if you're, let's say the Air Force and you have control over some vehicle from another planet.

2:29:33Where you have... If the airport wants jets, they don't make them. They hire someone to make them. They have a military contractor that has all the engineers and all the expertise and they hire all these people that actually make jets. They need a jet, they buy a jet. So if they acquire a spaceship, they're not going to hold on to it themselves. They don't have the people to fuck with this thing. They're going to bring it to the people that make those things. They go, hey you guys make the stealth bomber. Tell me what the fuck this is. Tell me what the fuck this is. Yeah man. And can we make one?

2:30:16And if we can't make one, can we figure out how it runs? Yeah, at least tell us how it runs. Do you have any idea? I heard that like Jeremy was on my podcast, was talking about how... Sorry, I'm sorry. Apparently I'm sorry Jeremy if I'm misquoting you. This is from me. Obviously, so forgive me if there's an error in the way I'm saying it. But it's compartmentalized. So some of the reverse engineering people theoretically don't even know that they're looking at wreckage. That's what Bob Lazar said on my podcast. He said part of the problem is science can't exist in a vacuum. Science is collaborative.

2:30:59And the metallurgy guys weren't talking to the propulsion guys. Nobody talked to anybody. You had like an area where you're allowed to go and look at the vehicle. And you know, you were with your other teammate and everybody reported on everything that was said and done. Yeah man. And it was too limited for them to ever really figure out in his belief at that time. So we're talking about 1989. If what he's saying is true, what he was saying was that they were bringing him to this area. And he couldn't tell us why if he couldn't tell anybody where he was going. And they were flying him to area S4 where they had this UFO.

2:31:41They didn't have just one. They had multiple ones. And this sort of aligns with what Grush was saying. Because then Grush would Grush was saying is there's 12 of them. They have 12. Which is like for real for real. Or is this are you guys like sending money to Ukraine? You don't want me to know about. So you're showing me this. Like that sounds so crazy. Yeah, I don't I don't buy the distraction theory because it's like man, the US government's been doing weird shit with money. But here's a distraction. What if it's what if is this is just an advanced drone program. And what the US government is doing with his advanced drone program to obscure it.

2:32:22They just start releasing UFO stuff and having whistleblowers come out that are actually intelligence agents. And they come out and start talking about bullshit programs that don't even exist. Right. And you know like they just start fucking with the people online which they've done with other stuff. Sure. I mean if you look at what they did with MK Ultra, just MK Ultra alone, you should go what? What did you do? You guys set up horror houses where you dose the Johns and then film them through through what is it? With see through. Double sided glass or whatever. Yeah. Double size. That's the government.

2:33:02That's your tax dollars went for that. That was what kind of valuable research do you get from dosing up some plumber looking to get his dick sucked? You know, and he give the guy a glass of water. It's got fucking tacit in it. God. And you're in the CIA. Now fun. That is you're in the CIA. You're in like you're in the CIA. You have infinite access to LSD. They're just like letting you go into like brothels and like watch people fuck like wow. Well, not on that. You're a puppet master. You're literally giving people crazy powerful psychoactive drugs against their will. And you're watching them and you're learning how to manipulate people's behavior.

2:33:43And that's the Tom O 'Neill, the book chaos. It's all about MK Ultra doing that with Manson and Manson doing that with his followers. Do you know the gifted and talented program conspiracy theory is connected? No. Gate theory. Were you ever in gifted and talented? No. You know, it's one of my favorite current conspiracy theories. And admittedly conspiracy theory. In other words, it's just cool. I don't necessarily believe it. But basically the idea, like the gate program apparently, and I looked it up and it there does seem to be some connection, was sort of funded by the feds who like it was definitely somehow involved with the government.

2:34:26Basically, not where it goes into conspiracy land. The idea is they wanted to find people, kids early on, who demonstrated certain traits that then they could hire to work in intelligence. And so it's a grooming program for intelligence basically. And so all these, like, and again, I just love these things. I don't like, if they're real or not, it's still cool. So there's all these like aspects of people who are in it, like an occipital bulb, like people who are in it. Like if you, like, they have this bump on the back of their head, weird marks. Sort of like when them navigation things or a serious XM radio antenna on your roof, your car.

2:35:10You got a fucking antenna back there. Is that what it is? Well, you know, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's an implant. We would give you that implant. That's where we go. Oh, that's where it goes. Because they would make you drink this weird pink shit. They would like do this hearing test. Weird pink shit. Yeah, I mean, Jamie, I bet you could find the whole list of like commonalities and people in the program. And it's like interesting, like the hearing they had to, you would have to do this hearing test. Before you got in, you would be in a windowless room or a room where the windows are covered up with a dude giving you.

2:35:49And I, that's how I got in giving you a giving you an IQ test. The IQ test had the ESP cards in it along with a lot of other weird shit. And then what would happen is because generally like smart people sometimes are kids who meet these things or underperforming, your parents are fucking delighted. So you hear from school, they're like, actually your kid isn't a complete fucking idiot. As it turns out, he's got a very high verbal IQ. And we think we should put him in the special program. Training would be a fed. Well, yeah, I mean, you're not fit. You're not asking like, wait, what is the program?

2:36:24Well, who came up with the idea for the program? You're just like, my kids smart. Yes. Put them in there. They care about kids, Duncan. Yes. They just want to get those smarter kids. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to put a lot of funding to making them smarter and smarter. And we're going to set up careers for them. Yeah, right. And Nicaragua. And they'll never know. They'll just think like when we came up to them in the college, they got a scholarship for that we provided. And we're like, hey, we love your dissertation. Can we talk to you about this really cool job? You'll never know you've been groomed your whole life to be in it.

2:36:59Again, probably not true, but interesting. And interesting like new conspiracy that I like a lot. It's really interesting. I hope people out there research it for me because that's amazing. That's what drives me nuts about censorship online is that the really dumb ones that are obviously not real, I think are also amazing. Yes. I think they're fun. There's some people that are just out of their fucking minds. And then there's things that come up sometimes, so you like, wait a minute. How did that slip by mainstream news? Like, why is this not a subject that everybody's kind of tweaking about? Right.

2:37:41Every now and then, like the hollow earth one, I was like, that is so ridiculous. That's so ridiculous. But it's still ridiculous. It's still ridiculous. But then they discover there's three times as much water inside the earth than there is in the oceans. I got so excited about that one, so I looked into it. What is it? Apparently the water is like compressed sadly into the soil. Oh. Now I can be wrong about that, but I can remember specifically the disappointment that swept over. Oh, I thought they were saying there's like oceans under the surface. What I read is that a lot of the water they're talking about has been compressed into soil.

2:38:20Soil. Moist soil. Dude, I, when I, when I was super high, like I emailed a famous geologist. I just read about like the caverns under the earth. And I'm like, my god. Like literally there's like massive empty spaces down there bigger than the Grand Canyon. Like, could that be true? I just could, I just still can't, I didn't understand it. I don't know the answer for sure. But you know, so look, look at like we're studying the plumes of Europa. Europa is a Europa to find organic life. We say within the ice of Europa, there could be organic life. Here it is. Sometimes scientists think earth's oceans formed when icy comets hit the planet.

2:39:12But new research suggests a different origin for the oceans. They simply seeped out of the center of the earth. The finding published in science suggests that a reservoir of water hidden in the earth's mantle is more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining these expanses of underground seas. All this water, three times the volume of water on the surface is trapped inside the rocks. Sad. So in this rock is water. So that's what it's saying. A piece of synthesized ringwoodite, the blue mineral may contain oceans worth of water in the earth's mantle. Okay, but it's in the rock.

2:39:55Right. So it's like it's not water. Stop lying. Like, that's like saying all the people on earth consist of an ocean of water. Because most people like, what are we like 70 % water? Yeah, right. There's an ocean of water in people. We just got to drain the water out of the people. We got another ocean. Another ocean? What do you say? That's not an ocean. You have fucking rocks. You have wet rocks. No one's going to your fucking article if you say there's wet rocks under the earth. You got to say there's an ocean. There's three times as much water in these rocks as there is in the ocean. But yeah, but it's in rocks.

2:40:29It's not water. Unless it's water, like you put in a glass, no, then shut the fuck up. That's not water. You got rocks. But, but don't destroy this for me, Joe. But, but just think about the fact that life. Life grows in so many places. Right. And if there were voids within the earth and there was like some kind of heat source, whatever it is, and it gets hotter down there. And maybe some water didn't just make it into the, I mean caves are fucking wet. Right. So if there were water down there, a heat source. And also if there was like some flow of water seeping in from, you know, the surface.

2:41:11Theoretically. Theoretically. Some lifeform could evolve down there just like we did. Theoretically. It might not be like advanced, like I just might just be some kind of like insane fungus. My youngest really loves horror movies. We watch horror movies together. Yeah. And we watched the descent the other day. I love that movie. That's a great movie. God damn it. I forgot how fun that movie is. That's so fun. The descent too kind of sucks. Yeah, it's not good. But does the sent one was shit. Oh my god, the setting. Oh, there's so much in it. Appalachia. The way they set it up, the movie. It's like, oh right off the jump.

2:41:46I'm like, oh my god. Hot cavers. Hot cavers. Hot cavers that fucking squabble with each other. It's fucking great. It's fucking, I highly recommend it. The descent is one of my faves. It scratches a rill's specific itch for me. It's like, I love Hollywood's shit. And then like it just, you've got like. Well, it's not Hollywood. It's caverns. It's like, it's, I mean, it's beings that evolved in those cavers. I mean, there's a lot of ridiculous shit in it. Like they're grabbing elks and dragging them into the hole and eating them there. Yeah, the whole thing is so dumb. You can't have a bunch of like weird like mutants living under your forest.

2:42:27There's so many of them too. No picture of them. But I don't, I think it was like another senator talking about the possibilities, what these UFOs are. One of them said could be coming from an ancient civilization. They're just choosing to reveal itself to us now. This is a government official saying this. Oh, I wanted to bring this up. Michael Nollis, I didn't watch the video. But it was one of those things where the headline of the YouTube video. It's like on the Michael Nollis show. It's something about aliens are, confirms aliens are demonic. Oh, please. Yeah, but he was talking to somebody that like, I think he was talking to Lou Elizondo, right?

2:43:08Who is a part of the program, the A -Tip program, one of those UFO research programs. But there was this video about it. Do I need to make a feature link documentary called What Is a Demon to Teach Matt Walsh Blog that Extrustral aliens aren't real? I would watch it. Hmm. So Matt Walsh thinks are there other writers duking it out with each other? Is that what this is? I don't know, but please make the documentary. He thinks they're not real. So Michael Nollis is saying that Extrustral aliens aren't real. He thinks they're demons. Intelligence officials now confirm that UFOs of non -human origin have been recovered and studied.

2:43:52At this point, the only reason to discount these reports in your own preconceived belief that aliens can't exist. The evidence is really overwhelming now. And he's not wrong. He's not wrong, but it's, here's the thing. The evidence that we can get a hold of is all anecdotal. It's all people talking about these things. Until it passes that, I'm on this, huh. I'm interested, but I'm not believing you yet. I think. I know, if you know about MK Ultra, if you know that they did that, and they didn't get punished for it, those people just died. So what happens? Does it evolve or does it stop? Right?

2:44:33Most things evolve. Like most, when you go back to Eisenhower warning about the military industrial complex, like he was warning about it then. It was an emerging thing that he was worrying about. Well, that evolves to now control the government. Right. Right? So MK Ultra and Mind Control, does that evolve? Of course it evolves. It doesn't stop dead there. No, he's dying. I was going to get people captivated. Yeah. I would start talking about all these things that we have, all these fucking amazing crafts that we've recovered, but not show you jack shit. I have a lot of people talking about it, and maybe this is just a preliminary step to showing you the stuff.

2:45:10Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, and these are like real patriots that think the American public needs to know. Yeah. People have lived and died and not have this information, and it's, your duty as a patriot, as your duty as a human being, as a citizen of Earth, to let everyone know that we're being visited. Also, you might be covering up for the military industrial complex, that's figured out a way to make hypersonic drones that look and behave like something that was created on another planet. I mean, yeah. Because they funded these researchers under some guys of a hedge -cump phone company and flown in all these physicists and gave them a lot of money to shut the fuck up and top secret clearance, which you can't violate or you get put in jail.

2:45:51And next thing you know, you're developing some sort of magnetic propulsion system that can run things through the sky silently, instantaneously. Turn on a dime. Yeah. Well, you know, man, I think that some of what I know I'm doing with my skepticism in this regard, is I just don't want to be disappointed. Of course. And I don't want to, it's like, I so will love it if my kids get to live in a world where aliens aren't even weird. Yeah. And I want that world. So much that it's definitely going to give me some confirmation bias and it's definitely going to like warp because it's so easy to see in something what you want there to be.

2:46:34But I just, like, I don't, and I'm dumb, but I can't quite access the real, the benefit. Like I think there's other ways to lie about your secret weapons program than by like gaslighting senators under oath. I feel like that is such a dangerous thing to do. And so to me, it's... Unless you think that senator is a dork, you want to get rid of him. I'll tell Federman anything. He will. I'll tell him anything. I'll tell them anything. I'll tell him I'm an alien. I'm an alien. We came to contact you. Basically, I had meetings with him. He's an alien. Fuck, Federman isn't coming forward with this shit though.

2:47:20He should be. He's got the information. He's just a coward. You think Federman. Yes, that's why he's pretending to be a person who doesn't talk that good. Dude. He has too much information. The best way to like not be credible. Like I don't want to be involved. Yeah, man. I mean, he would be a great person to like leak. Yeah, we told him. Have you heard this theory been talked about? Are the aliens us? UFOs may be piloted by time traveling humans. Yeah, I've heard that before. I heard recent. I was trying to find where I saw up. I recently, like in the last few days, I saw someone. I think they were in the government saying.

2:47:58Government. A similar version to this. Yeah. That there is a date that they have been told. And that if they tell everyone the date, it will freak people out. So there's a fight about talking about this date. About when time travel gets invented? No, that they think that these aliens are approved whatever are us coming back to warn us. And they're like this if they do. Oh, about a time and fuck it up. Oh, about a thing that we might do. Yeah, and they have a very vague and the thing I read about it. Yeah, maybe it's like Ukraine. I mean, Jesus Christ. But dude, also if you... Did you see Greta Thunberg went to Ukraine?

2:48:32No. To say, how dare you? Did she go there to scold them? No. She went there to be a part of the Illuminati. They fucking welcomed her with open arms. Oh, welcome me there. There's Zelensky talk to her. Holy shit. It's like, she's a kid, man. What are we doing? It's so bizarre. Did you have this strange kid on the spectrum that you fly around the world as the spokesperson for climate change? And the strange part about it is it's like this is not a person that most people think is the person they want to hear talk about this. Yeah. Who do you want to hear talk about this? You want to hear like a rational educated scientist that's warning you about the very specific details of what human beings and our pollution is doing to the world.

2:49:22Like here's your science and graphs and data. Instead you're sending a kid that got famous for saying, how dare you? How dare you? Robbing us of our future? You know, it's a... On one level, not Thunberg. That's... I mean the whole thing... It's strange. The whole thing you just showed is like dystopian. It's strange. But on one level, I get... I know that scientists are scientists. Scientists are not comedians. You know what I mean? And I know that like many of them want to convey the shit they're discovering to people who... No, it didn't go to graduate school. And they need a mouthpiece. Like they need someone to speak for them and they just keep fucking it up.

2:50:13Because it's like you... Generally like the mouthpieces, it seems like they're condescending. Like you need a mouthpiece that's like able to be like... To not make the people that they're talking to feel like they're being talked down to. Right. But that's how they hold authority. The best way to hold authority is to make someone on the defensive. Make them feel stupid for questioning this. And it's... I tell you, you hold that authority. So is the anti -science like... And you know... Again, you go back and look at like Tesla or fucking Isaac Newton. What a lunatic. He was a lunatic. He had Mercury in his hair.

2:50:53He was studying the Temple of Solomon. You know what I mean in here? He had Mercury in his hair. Yes, he did. And he is... What do you mean by that? Like when the hair samples, when they did hair samples. And his laboratory was talking on Mercury. So he's had Mercury poisoning. Mercury poisoning. And this is Newtonian physics. And it's like this... Look at Tesla. He's like fucking like on a date thinking about foused, seeing a vision of like alternating current engine. Right. These are the people who warped society permanently. There was nothing tame, domesticated or normal about them. Like imagine if you...

2:51:32If like I invite you over. I'm like, Joe, come into my... I want to show you something I'm working on. It's, you know, the Temple of Solomon from the Bible. I think it's a code. I think it's a code I could use to crack the source of all reality. And I feel like it has something to do with Mercury. I'm just not sure what. So I've been pouring Mercury on it. This replica of the Temple of Solomon. You would be really worried about me. That would be worried about me. This is Isaac Newton. And you know, when... So it's just weird this like... This thing is emerged with a domesticated, normal scientist.

2:52:11Or that like, you know, science is somehow like filled with just very normal, completely professional people. When the history of it seems to be littered with maniacs.

2:52:25Maniacs. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to pursue it, but using the system discovered truth that changed history forever. It's really weird, man. Well, we always want to think of a person as only being the thing that is so egregious about them. Or bizarre about them. But there are a lot of things. Right. You know, I mean, that like when they talk about geniuses that also were kind of crazy and did something fucked up. Like we want to concentrate on that crazy thing. Like, wasn't Tesla in love with a pigeon? Yeah. It wasn't somewhere in tune with a pigeon. Yeah. Yeah. We want to concentrate on the weird, you know, asocial aspects of them.

2:53:07They were all very bizarre and how they interacted with people. That's right. The string of bad relationships. They had bad relationships, Duncan. And ignore all the shit that they said that doesn't fit into what, like, makes sense. Like his testless death beam idea, the idea that he could like create some resonance and send a death beam to blow shit up or like that. Probably good. Well, I mean, you should see that. I feel like we already talked about this. We've talked about everything. If you see the myth busters where they make one of these Tesla resonance engines and put it on a fucking bridge.

2:53:42And they're not expecting anything happening. And then the whole bridge starts fucking vibrating. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, that's right. I remember that. And they turned it off. Yeah. They didn't, they didn't continue the experiment because the bridge started like making some weird shaking thing and like, oh, well fuck. Turn it off. You know, man. Imagine that you're smarter than Tesla. This didn't work. This is just quackery. He's open up a gate to hell. It's so good. Do you remember the event horizon? One of my favorite science fiction horror movies of all time. It's a great movie. It's about these people that use this time warp.

2:54:17You know, they fold space time in order to travel. And when they do, one ship disappears. So another ship goes to look for that ship. And by doing that, you open up a gate to hell. By doing that, fold over a space time. So you can get straight from one point to another point instantaneously. Far across the galaxy. You open up a gate to hell. And so everybody has to deal with the literal hell, like Latin speaking demons. And it's a fun movie. I mean, which came first? Doom or event horizon? Which came first? I believe Doom. I believe Doom. Because that's Doom. Do you know where the name Doom came from?

2:55:05No. Came from the scene from the color of money with Tom Cruise. Color of money when Tom Cruise is a pool hustler. And he goes to this pool hall. And he's watching this, like, the number one player play. And the number one player is this cool looking black dude. And he looks at him and goes, what'd you got in that case? Because he's got a pool case. He goes in here. And he opens it up. Doom. I'm cool. And that's what Doom was for the game community. That was Doom for the game industry. What do you got in that box? What in this box? We got Doom. And that's what it was. I mean, when John Carmack and John Romero, when they released Doom, it's software.

2:55:49That was a fucking game changer. A 3D game first person shooter. You're running around and there's fucking demons and you're firing rockets at them. It was incredible. It was incredible. What a great idea. It's a military attack on how. It's just such a... That game is so fun. All the... It's so dark. You can find that scene from the color of money. See if you can find it. But that's why they called it Doom. And which one came first? I don't know. I don't know, but I love it. I don't know. Here's the first one. The game. The game.

2:56:32Here you go. What'd you got in there? In here?

2:56:43Doom.

2:56:49Oh boy. Yeah, let's play. We're gonna have one. Meanwhile, that is that Q that he opens up. That's a production Q. It's not even a great Q. It's a Joss. It's supposed to be a Balabushka, which is a handmade Q by this guy who is the master of the great Qs. Like when you go back to guys like... See, that's Eddie Cohen's. Eddie Cohen is like a real modern day elite pool Q maker. And he made a version, like a color of money version. But that's the Q that Joss made. And you could buy it. It's not like... I mean, it's a good playing Q. It plays good. But it's not a Balabushka. Balabushka was a handmade Q by this guy who was a master.

2:57:37Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they would age his wood. He would age his wood for years and slowly turn them down. And you know, you'd have like stacks of wood that had been air drawing for seven years before you cut them into Qs. Like his stuff was like a violin. It's like you're buying a strata of areas. That's a real Balabushka. Dude, I just read this thing online of like coders making fun of the shit that pops up for like hackers. And they cause they know everything they're doing. And they're like, you know, that's when you have very deep knowledge or something. Because like, in a million years I would never even think like I wonder if that really is a good Q.

2:58:19That's a good Q to play with. But to have that say Eddie gave me a Balabushka and show that. Like that. That's garbage. What that was was they made a deal with the pull cue manufacturer. Joss, which is a they make me very good Qs. Don't get me wrong. Like Mike Siegel. Mike Siegel was one of the greatest players of all time played with the Joss. I mean, they make amazing Q. They play good. But they're made with a computer. It's made, you know, with machines. Right. Yeah, the ends around it. That's a that's an old Balabushka. So that what that is is a title list. And what a title list is is a house cue.

2:59:01So you buy a house cue. And a lot of those really old house cues from like the 50s. They converted them into pull cues like two piece cues that you could bring with you. And that was a very popular cue because it was a it's a full splice. Meaning the contact wood to wood contact of the two joints is like it's the old method that they used to use. That's cool, man. It looks like a very powerful wand and Diablo. Well, it's like you were playing not just with something that played well, but you were playing with something that was art. Right. It's functional art. It was made by a master. It was made by in George Balabushka's case.

2:59:44You know, some guy had been making them in the very beginning. Yeah. And Willie Masconey played with one. Like the great players played with them. But there's so many guys who make amazing pull cues now. It's like it's really a matter of taste. And most of the players in fact now are playing with carbon fiber anyway. What is the like this part I'm questioning because I don't know enough about pull. But what like if two equally match players are playing. And one of them has one of those. And another one has just like a basic pull cue. How much of an advantage would the person with a really nice none?

3:00:22None. No advantage. It's all about the archer. Not really the pull cue once you become accustomed to it. You know what it does. So like you every pull cue has a certain amount of flex. Every pull cue has a certain amount of weight to it. There's a balance. They're all different. But once you are arm and you're stroking on becomes a custom to the balance. Then it can accurately determine the amount of force that it has to apply to the ball. In order to get the proper rotations of the ball for it to line where you need to land your next shot. Right. So it's a matter of making the ball and then moving the other ball to the other shot.

3:01:04And any cue can do that. It just you have to know what that cue does. And then you have to compensate for what that cue does. Differ cues have a different reaction than more flexible cues. Right. Dude, it's such a... You know what, man? With pull, that's one that's got a pull. Golf, pull. It's got this like... Man. Like you could just see how like you would just... There was a... I wish I could... It's so sad I can't remember the name of this cloak. Because their greener was incredible. Sorry. They have a pool table in there. And you know, like I... We would fuck around. Which was never fun for you.

3:01:40I'm sure. Because I'm horrible. No, it's always fun. You know, I just found... I see how addictive it is. How like just learning how to do one thing. And then you get stuck in this repetitive, trying to get it to work. But it's so... The difference... It's mind -clensing. It's like archery in that regard. That when you're lined up by the shot, the only thing you're thinking about is that shot. Right. It helps me a lot with stress. Because I have so many things going on simultaneously that would require my attention. That if I have an activity, whether it's archery, martial arts, or pool, where you cannot think of anything other than that activity while you're engaging in it.

3:02:17It's very beneficial. Clear's your mind. Yeah, man. Yeah, I need shit like that. If I don't have something like that, and it's such a relief when your mind gets grabbed by something, it's so great. That's why video games do have a role. There is a good role in video games. The problem is they're so good. They're so addictive. They pull you in so far. Brian Simpson was explaining Diablo, and he started showing the new Diablo on the screen. And he's explaining how it all goes down. And I was just seeing my fucking time getting sucked away. And it's this goddamn game. Dude, it is... I can't do it.

3:02:55This is also, like if you're into games right now, this is like the apocalypse, because like the New Zelda came out, and then Blizzard puts out the new fucking Diablo. Oh, God. And it's like they're both in their own way, just spectacular. And also, you know what, is man, if you started with an Atari 2600, and now you are like getting to interact with like, the technology now... I started with Pong, son. What is this? That's a cutscene. Cutscenes from Diablo, man. Oh, wow. Look at their cutscenes. They're really good. But the cutscenes are just like a little movie. You just watch a little movie.

3:03:31You know, I mean, the game one day will probably be like this. Dude. Jamie, we... Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. If you're playing Diablo... Look at this. Don't list... Can you find the cutscene from Diablo, where the dude is getting eaten by wolves? Spoiler. Don't watch this if you're into Diablo. Wow. Really? This was actually uncomfortable. Look at that. Let's end with this, because I gotta get out of here. Yeah. We gotta show soon.

3:04:07This fucking game looks so wild. They cutscenes. That's it. It still looks like at least. You might have to... Yeah, there you go.

3:04:24Mephisto. Diablo. There you go. Oh, God. Oh, God.

3:04:42The ruination of such truth is enough. And you're teed out. Only zealots and fools are completely certain, mother. If we are to be saved, out, Jesus. It will be by your... Okay. Okay. That's enough. Alright. Let's wrap it up. Don't get a love you did that. Love you, John. You are fun. Thank you so much, man. It's great being able to represent science with you today. Yeah. I feel like we did a good job. I think so. Hail science. Hail science. Bye, buddy.