#2013 - Paul Rosolie

22:15We got in there to, we went in there with, with, with Mac Gutman's crew, and we actually, we actually filmed in the gold mining areas, which no one does. And while we were in there, one of the Russian gold miners was like, hey, man, listen, he goes, you're that guy with the Instagram, right? And I was like, what the fuck you talk about? And he goes, you see those guys over there? And I was like, yeah. And he goes, they just said your name. And I was like, oh. And then, yeah, like a week later, those guys pulled up. And it was annoying because the guy acted like he had a gun but he didn't show me.

22:45And he was like, hey, no more posts about gold mining. And I was like, the gold miners follow me on social media. Like, are you fucking serious? But no, that area is dangerous. Are not going to be terrifying. Yeah, I mean, for a second, I was like, is it happening? Right. Because the way they pulled up, I was like walking on the street and they're like, they like, you know, cut me off. And they're like, hey, Paul Rosley. And I was like, oh. And our lawyer, or the guy that used to be the lawyer for Jungle Keepers, his father was very vocal locally about the gold miners and standing up to them. And they just whacked him.

23:21Just that easy. No consequences. No consequences. A really good friend of mine on the river. His father had moved out deep into the jungle like 20 years ago and raised his two boys out there. And then when this Trans -Amazon highway came through, they saw the logging and the burning. And they wanted to live at the edge of the world. They wanted to be deep in the jungle. And so Old Man's at Tuko was like, you know, we're going to, we got to figure something out. Either move deeper or move away or whatever. And like they were trying to figure out what to do. And there was this one summer I spent a lot of time with his son.

23:56His name was also Paul. And he got murdered by gold miners too. And so like it's just like a, it's just a war zone. And then you have some of our, some of our guys, now who are conservationists, who used to be loggers, who have shot at the young contacted tribes and been shot at by arrows. One of my rangers has a scar on his head from a seven foot arrow from the uncontacted tribes. There's a picture of that too. I think it says, Uncontacted Ignacio. Seven foot arrow. Yeah, so they use the river cane. And then they take bamboo. And they get an incredible edge on the bamboo. And they can, it's like they temper it over the fire.

24:35So the river cane doesn't weigh anything. So they make these monster arrows. And they can actually like nail a spider monkey out of the trees from like, you know, 40 meters. Really? Yeah, so check this out. So this is one of my rangers, Ignacio. He's, he's local indigenous. And that's the scar on his head from the arrow. Yeah, he was trying, so the uncontacted came out and they were pretty fresh. You're going to have a scar on your head. That's, that's a good spot. Oh, it's good. Yeah, someone's got a picture of it when it happened. But he was, he was saying they were trying to, they were trying to push bananas because these people don't know.

25:05You know, these people are out there and they're naked. And they're in the jungle and they've been there for, you know, a few hundred years. And he was there and he was actually working for the Ministry of Culture. And he was like, let me try and be friendly. Let me try and like, extend an olive branch. And so he was trying to push a boatload of bananas towards them. And the scariest thing was they were, they didn't want anyone to understand them. And so they were actually speaking in Capuchin Monkey calls. And he's out in the middle, he's brave this guy. And he went out to the middle of the river and he pushed this thing.

25:32And he said he saw the arrow coming straight at his eyeball. And he just moved his head to the side. And it just gave him that cut him right to the skull. Yeah, there's that one. And then there should be one more where he's just looking right at it. But yeah, he's lucky. He's really lucky. And he's got worse stories than that too. One time he was, he was at a remote guard post and the tribes came. And he'd already gotten, I think he'd already gotten shot. And he said he went up into the roof and like hid in the rafters. Like and wrapped himself. And he said it was the middle of the day and he was baking.

26:04And he said he could hear the young contacted tribes underneath them. And he was like, trying to make the decision of, do I kill myself like a dog in a car in this heat? Like he knew he was going to die. Or do I go down and let them rip me apart? And it was like, it was just the most terrifying story. But yeah, I like that. How did he get out of it? He waited it out. I mean, he'd already been shot in the head. So he was like, I know what's going to happen if I go down there. Wow. Also, then I'm also going to get, I'm going to get everyone's going to come after me for calling them uncontacted. Apparently that's an outdated term.

26:33Apparently the correct parlance these days is voluntarily isolated in indigenous nomadic persons. Let's stick with uncontacted. Can we just call them uncontacted? Fuck you, man. Fuck you for making me remember all that shit. It's so silly. Yeah. Uncontacted is not a pejorative. No, it's just... And then people are like, well, they technically have contact if they shot your friend and I'm like, yeah, wow. Sort of, I guess. I guess. Peripheral. Sure. It's got to be horrifying for them, right? I mean, if they've been there for thousands and thousands of years of living like that and then slowly but surely they see this encroachment of machines and how much they understand of this Western culture that's infringing upon them.

27:18I don't... It's weird because these guys, they don't have boats. And so like, they don't have like the wheel, like all these like simple inventions. Like, they've just... They don't work with metal. And so I believe that the current theory says now that basically these people were living extremely isolated around the time of the Industrial Revolution. They were already very remote. And then when you had the demand for rubber, the Amazon was the only place that you could get rubber. And Henry Ford found out when he did Ford Landia, you can't make a plantation out of rubber. It'll get leaf blight and die.

27:54So the only way to get rubber was to start a full -scale genocide where they sent down these rubber barons that beat and whipped the native people and sent them out into the jungle to go collect rubber from the rubber trees for gaskets and hoses and everything that we needed. These are the people that fought. These are the people that remained uncon... Unconquered stayed back further in the deepest parts of the forest. And so you think these people's grandparents, grandparents must tell them that those outsiders will set you on fire. They will skin you alive. If you see one of them, kill it before it kills you.

28:27So they must be just running scared. Wow. It is really fascinating that there's still people living essentially the exact same way they were living thousands and thousands of years ago. Yeah. They have a couple of machetes that they stole off some friends of mine. Like they sacked this village one time and they took pots and machetes. They killed all the animals. Yeah, they're very strange to deal with. Like there was a guy who had started leaving them like bananas and then he left them like a shirt. He would just very carefully. Because they don't speak Spanish. They don't even speak like pure or anything like.

29:04Or Yine is the dialect that we deal with on our river. And they murdered him too. And he was friends with them for a few years. And no one has an expel. I just spoke to an eminent anthropologist about this. I was like, what was the reason for that? And he was like, no one knows. So he had made some sort of contact with them. He had regular contact. Was he in contact physically with them? I think like he would be in the same space. Like he could have spoken to them if he could speak to them. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me.

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31:09And he's been able to develop this. It was like, it was special. It wasn't in any way. It wasn't like a bravado thing. It was like he was actually trying to be like, can we make friends with these people? Can we make a relationship here? Maybe bring them in. Maybe do they want to come in? Or are they scared? Do they need help? Maybe we could just help them with some stuff. And then they found them with seven foot arrows in them. No explanation. No explanation. So yeah, the one time that I saw them, I ran for three days. I ran down river. I jumped in my boat. I went all night. I just, I absolutely, I realized I'd gone, I'd made a wrong turn and ended up somewhere I shouldn't have been.

31:50And I was completely alone because then that was after the learning days and the jungle keeper's days came the days where the locals were like, okay, so you know the jungle start going out on your own. See if you could really do it. Go survive. And I personally wanted to see if I could experience living. I wanted to know it's like, it's like being told you can go to Mars and walk around all by yourself. Whoa. You're out in the Amazon for a week by yourself and you camp it on a beach and you wake up and you walk up river and you camp on a beach and you wake up. To me, it was almost like the world melted away.

32:26It was like that Will Smith movie where you're the last person on Earth. It's like you, you, you are in this jungle paradise where there's macaws and there's jaguars and the animals up there don't know what a human is. It's like the Galapagos. You are in a place where animals are unfamiliar with the shape of a human. So they don't mind. And there's giant anacondas. Like it's different. It's different out there. There are still places where from century to century nobody goes. And the animals have no idea. When you're out there, it gets really freaky. Like I noticed my brain losing touch with like, like I would start to get worried.

33:00Like it was this just my reality now. Could I go back? You know, you're so far out there. And the Amazon is friendly. The Amazon is not the jungle itself. There's nothing that's going to eat you. A jag is not going to eat you. Unless you go swimming in a lake at night, a black came in or an anaconda is not going to mess with you. And it's like piranha tastes good. They actually, you know, that's like how you survive. So it's like it's pretty chill as a wilderness experience until something goes wrong. And so you get a big thunderstorm and the river rises 20 feet and there's entire trees. This, this thick of school bus is flying down river in the rapids.

33:33Then, then you're in trouble. That's one of the scary things about your book. The way you describe it when trees fall that they're so intertwined that acres of land might fall. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone has, you know, what's the most dangerous thing in the Amazon? Is it the snakes? Is it the jag wars? It's like, dude, jag, you don't even see a jag war. When you hear a pop, like that big cannon shot pop, well, like an old tree pops and that you run, you run because when that comes down, it's laced into the canopy with the other trees. And so it's going to pull down other things. I was with Loggers one time and they were cutting a tree and it was going to go that way.

34:09So we were standing behind it. You know, I'm always like, okay, I got to document this. I got to document this. And so this tree is going to fall away from us. And this tree is probably about as thick as this room. And this tree, you know, talking about 160 foot tree and this tree starts falling over. And it grabs another tree and we all realized it at the same time, but the other tree broke and snapped in our direction. And there's like a 30 foot shard of timber, like a fucking oak tree flying at us. And we all just scattered. And then all, like it was just like the world ended. There was, there was vines and giant things coming down, entire trees falling out of the sky and flying and splinters.

34:45It was cataclysmic. Like it was, it was at a control. I would never, ever, ever stand that close to a tree falling in the Amazon again. I put it, go pro on it and run away. Wow. Jesus Christ. I would argue that that's crazier than the moon. You know, like you say, going, going to Mars and running around, there's nothing on Mars. You're just going to see a bunch of dirt. It's going to be sad. It's going to be like going to the, the death valley. Yeah. But there's no people ever. Yeah. It's just nothing. What you're seeing is almost more crazy because there's so much life. And it's so alien to you.

35:22You know, it's nature and it's a part of the earth that we live on. Yeah. But it's not a part of the earth that we live on where humans are. So that's why it's so fascinating and unique about the rainforest. It's so wild. And so like that's where, like our thing with, you know, even with the Anacondas. It was like, you know, it started with the snakes. And they'd be like, you know, teach us about the snakes, snakes. And then after a while it was like, guys, we're the Anacondas. You know, I'm like, this is supposed to be the Amazon. Where the hell are they? Yeah. And so they're like, well, once a year we go on these like hunting expeditions up rivers.

35:52They're like, come with us. And as this family of brothers, JJ has like 17 brothers. And they're like, come with us. And it's literally just a dug out of canoe, like a little, you know, 16 horse power motor. And you just go up for 10 days, 12 days to places where you go, where are we? And they're like, no, no, it doesn't have a name. We're just on river. You're just out. And so, you know, we hunting and fishing. And we're just like surviving off the land, going up the thing. And then we started catching the Anacondas basking on the sides of the river. And so we just started jumping on these snakes, grabbing them by the neck.

36:23The first one I did I fucked up though, the first Anaconda I ever caught. The first Anaconda I ever caught I really fucked up because I was like, okay, I know how to catch snakes. I've handled big snakes. I know what I'm doing. You know, they were going to come in from the bottom. I was going to come in from the top. I ran in and I grabbed the snake by the head. And she went and wrapped my hands and my wrists are together. And I was like, oh, shit. Oh, no. I was like, now I can't get out of this if I wanted to. And the next coil came over my shoulders. And it's a 200 pound snake. So I'm on my knees.

36:53And so I went to scream, JJ, and all I got, I got nothing out. And so I'm sitting there wrapped in an Anaconda with my clavicle like turning into a V. My shoulders were almost touching. And I could feel my ribs just about to go. Oh, boy. And three of my friends jumped on. They started untying it from the tail and everything like that. I came that close. Oh, boy. I really fucked up. Oh, boy. Look at the size of that thing. Is that the one? That is not the one. Oh, look at the size of that thing. And that's not even as big as I get. How big is that one? That one is 18 feet six inches. That's so big.

37:31That's so big. This is the largest scientifically wild caught verified Anaconda that we have in scientific literature. I mean, there's people have records of bigger ones. I've seen bigger ones. This is, we named her Eleanor after my grandmother. That's the 18 foot one. This is the 18 feet six inches. She was 220 pounds, but she was hungry. She was... Look at the size of that thing. Yeah. My God. Yeah. So if that one that got a hold of you, that's not this one. It's a different one. No. The one that got a hold of me was, you know, five feet shorter than this one. This thing is a dragon. This thing is like the crack in this no way.

38:06Now, how big do they get? That's JJ, by the way. I keep talking about it. Okay, so here's my measurement. And actually, somebody recently sent me a video of you in Forest Galante. Yeah. Talking about this, about how big Anaconda can get. Me and JJ were out on this place called the Floating Forest one night. And, you know, I was trying to like... I was thinking about like getting on the cover in National Geographic. I was thinking about like, you know, getting attention at that time. Right. But we had gone deeper down the Amazon rabbit hole than like anyone had ever gone. We found this place, the Floating Forest, where you're walking on rafts of floating grass.

38:43And you're walking past tree tops. So there's a forest underneath the lake. But you're walking on the surface of it. And the Anaconda's love it. Wow. Because they can sit on these on these grassy islands. And if anything comes, the whole thing is like a giant tympanic membrane. As soon as something takes a step, they're like, threat. And they go down. And just like any big fish, just like any ancient giant crocodile, those shrewd old motherfuckers that have been there for a century. That's where they live. And so we were out there like two o 'clock in the morning. And we're walking on these grassy rafts.

39:15And JJ's going, this is Anaconda. And I went, that is not Anaconda. Because the grass was pushed down. But it was like, it was this big. I was like, this can't be Anaconda. He's going, this is. He goes, if it was a crocodile, he goes, you'd see the feet. And I was like, it just can't be. And then at like middle of the night, the stars are shining in the black water and everything. And by the tops, we're in the canopy of a forest on top of a lake. And we see two Anacondas. One of them is so big that I would say it was probably 24, 25 feet gigantic. That was an 18 footer. Then there was like another like a 16 footer on it.

39:51And my first response was we have to catch this snake. And so I jumped on it. I just didn't think about it. I just jumped on this snake. Oh my god. And so the snake, and you know, I always say like, you know, Pixar, it didn't happen. But this was the middle of the night. I jumped on the snake. And as I'm holding it, the one measurement I have is that I was holding on to the snake and my fingers couldn't touch. That's how big this thing was. And so I dragged. What? It dragged me to the edge of the grass. What? That big. Oh my god. Oh my god. Your fingers couldn't touch. Yeah. So like I was. Oh my god.

40:29Oh my god. Yeah. Dude, that's so big. It's so fucking big. And people said, oh, did it eat something? It was like, no, that was, that was, that was, that was how big the snake was. And I know, because when she got to the edge, to the edge of the grass, I dipped in head for it. And this thing could have turned around and just eaten me. She didn't. Her head was like bigger than a rot wilder. It's bigger than marshals. Oh my god. But she dove into the water. Her idea is just escape. You know, stay alive. So she goes down. And I, my face poked into the water and I was like, fuck that. You know, you start, you look straight down into hell down there.

41:01And I was sitting there holding onto the grass with this giant anaconda rushing by me. You know, 25 feet of anaconda slithering past me. And I put my hand on her. And as she went by, my hand eventually went and then her tail slipped by me. And I was just, just alone in the dark in the Amazon. And I just seen this dragon. And then I turned around and went, what the fuck happened to JJ? And JJ is just standing there and he turned completely white. And he was just, his circuits were blown. And he was like, and I was like, you could have helped. I was like, you could have helped me. So can you just help me out here?

41:36So the tree tops, essentially, there's water under the tree tops. So you're walking on the tree tops. So how deep is the water below you? Like 30, 40 feet. So you're essentially walking on grassy islands floating vegetation. Is it like the, in this video, the same similar terrain? So, yes. And thank you for not playing the sound on this. Because, yeah, it's basically exactly like this. It's, see those islands over there? Yeah. There's floating grass. And so this is actually how we caught the big one. You know, everyone starts, JC is just, JJ, JJ. JJ has unlocked everything. JJ is like, there's an anticon to this, an anticon to nobody else saw it.

42:17And then I'm the only person that's willing to fuck with the head. And so they get the boats. This is literally how we caught the biggest anticon to this, everyone caught it. So the camera guy was like, get the fuck out of here. And I just remember in this moment being like, do I really want to do this? Do I really, like, do I really want to do what I signed up to do? Do you see it in the grass? I can see it here. I can see it here. And I'm just going, please, I wish, can I, can I turn back?

42:43And so for the people just listening, you're standing on the edge of the boat. You jump off into the grass and you run. And thankfully, I have a good, yeah. And then you see there's my team. Boom, boom, boom, everybody jumping in. So we had all these people that have all handled big snakes before coming in. And see, I don't have the head. We didn't have the head. JJ had the tail. JJ got the tail. This guy, Jonas had the tail. Mosin had the tail. Lee had the tail. Everybody's holding on to this snake. We're using the boat to keep ourselves off. And then I got the head. And then as soon as I get the head, I know I'm going to get wrapped again.

43:21Oh my God. I mean, this is like, look at this. This is like. And this is the 18 footer. Yes, this is the 18 footer. Look at the size of this thing. Yes. When people like, why don't you catch the 25 footer? I'm like, well, look at this. The difference in just like, I'm seeing how big this is. It's unbelievably big. And the idea that something was almost 10 foot bigger than this. Yeah. And much thicker around. Much, much thicker around. This girl is skinny. Oh my God. Yeah. In a second, in a second, they'll show us walking with her. That is so wild. And you get a sense of really how big she is. And you got to keep a hold of that.

43:57You keep swallowing your head. Look at it. Look at what is that feeling like? Where you're holding on to the head of that thing. Yeah. No, it's completely, completely wild. And it was just, honestly, in that moment, it was like, you want your best friends there. Oh. Because men, that was scary. That was very scary. And so what is the plan? What do you do with this once you capture it? Do you measure it and then let it go? Yeah. So for this one, here, look, there's a shot. There's a shot coming up where we, like, we kind of have her stretched out for a second. But with this one, we put a radio transmitter down a throat, and we were able to track her movements to learn about the home range as a female anticon.

44:35So she swallows it? Yeah. It's just like a big pill. Oh, wow. How big? Like a zip -o lighter? Sure. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that, Ed. Oh, my God. Look at the teeth. Yeah. And they were like, that's the queen of the Amazon. But yeah, she was old. She had so many scars. And so we measured her 18 feet six inches. And then the friendly people at Discovery Channel changed it to 19 feet six inches on the show, which was always interesting. How dare they? How dare they? That sounds like Hollywood. Yeah. We just got to juice it up just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just turn it up. It's impressive enough, you folks.

45:11Look at that thing. It's so immense. I just can't believe there was one that much bigger than that. Yeah. What is the folk lore? Like what do they say when they say what's the biggest one? I mean, I have people that told me that they found a 60 -foot anticon. Oh. They're that guy's a drunk. I think he's telling the truth. Oh, Pixar didn't happen. Remember the movie Jennifer Lopez and Ice Cube? I remember that there was one. John Voight. John Voight had like the worst Brazilian accent ever. Didn't even sound Brazilian. I got to actually watch that movie. I really feel like it should. It's terrible.

45:50Oh, it's terrible. But it's great. Yeah. It's like one of those. I think it was like. Something wrong with a good bad movie. I want to say it's like 90s, right? What year was that? It's a.

46:02But the actual big anticon. Look at the size of it. The one that's come behind Ice Cube. The actual big anticon was like. That. I've seen that image for you. John Voight. Geez. You should hear his Brazilian accent too. It's crazy. It doesn't. It doesn't even make sense. Wait. Is it two people at once? Yeah, bro. Oh, shit. It's a movie. Wow. One person is not scary enough. It'll be tied together somehow. You and your family. Tied together somehow in the snake reps. So they say they've seen a 60 foot one. But, sure. Do they have an age limit? Like, do they? It seems like when they get to a certain size, nothing's hunting them.

46:44No. They're just predator. Disease or old age. Yeah. So in the Amazon, the cool thing with the Amazon is it's the greatest natural baddest battlefield on earth. It's literally just this turning death march. Like, life is like a momentary stasis in this like recycling of death. And it's like. You fight for it. And so, and a snake that's getting big like that one that we just caught like Eleanor. It's like, so we learned that she moves around this swamp and has a home range. And then eventually after a few months, you know, she passes the transmitter. She'll poop out the transmitter. But one of the guys on the team, Pat, is actually withing through a Katie University.

47:19We've been continuing this. And we've learned that there are so many more Anacondas than we thought. And everyone said the traditional literature said that they're ambush predators that they only wait. And it's like, no. They're going to places where there's mineral licks in the Amazon. And they stake out them. Like, they're more strategic than we thought. Oh. So they wait for the animals to lick the minerals. Yeah. So this place is where there's like a salt deposit. So you get all the herbivores coming there for the salt. And so, but the Anacondas will go up streams and strategically target those places.

47:49And so I've, one time we saw an Anaconda eating a peckery, which is for everybody that doesn't know it's a wild boar. Like a hovelina. Yeah. And like, I was at a stream trying to take a picture of a butterfly. And I heard this. And I looked down and there's like a 16 foot Anacondas. And it just bent this peckery in half. And it was just looking at me. And it was like. And then it split. And so once a snake leaves its meal, it's very unfortunate. But once a snake leaves its meal, it's not going to come back to it. So the snake left. Because we had gotten, unknowingly, we got too close. So we, we had wild boar that night.

48:19We just threw it on the barbecue. Wow. Oh, speaking of eating things, Jamie. Could you, there's a, I think it's just called monkey head. I've been dying to show you this. Can I ask you a question now? Yeah. How old do they get? Like the one that you got that was 18 feet. How old do you think she was? The thing is they have indeterminate growth. So you take a baby Anaconda. They're live born, by the way, not in eggs. And so you get, you get a brand new slimy little Anaconda. And they come out. And their food for like the jabby roostorks, for other camein, for even fish. The fish are brutal, man.

48:53And I just, I caught a baby came in the other day. He had no toes because the piranhas were eaten as toes off. Whoa. But the Anaconda is interesting because it has this outsized impact on the whole ecosystem because they start off basically as prey. They're just, you know, these little two foot worms. But then as they grow, then all of a sudden they can eat bigger things. Then they can eat the camein back. And they can start eating the birds. And then all of a sudden they're eating capybara. And then you get to the big momma's where they're the top of the ecosystem. They're the top of the food chain.

49:20And so you have like black camein, Anaconda, jaguar, harpy, eagle, giant ribrogres. And like those years, like, you know, top contenders, prey, pecks, predator in the Amazon. The harpy eagles. Amazing. What a wild look. Great job. They're, they're, they're talons. They're so big too. Is that the biggest eagle? I don't, I don't think it's, I think the, I think the Philippine eagle or the stellar sea eagle. But the harpy is just unreasonably large. Like when you see them you go that, that's, that's what that is. And they eat a lot of monkeys. They eat a lot of monkeys. And so one of the ways to tell when there's a harpy eagle around it, like, we'll be walking through the jungle and you just find a pile of bones.

49:56Because up in that nest, 150 feet up, they're just dropping monkeys and sloths and the babies are ripping them apart and then they just chuck the bones out. So you'll see like a little bone yard in the jungle. Wow. Yeah. It doesn't last too long because nothing lasts longer. It just keeps recycling everything. But when I was a kid, you know, in the rainforest books they'd say, 50 % of the life in a rainforest is up in the canopy. And it's like, you know what I say? Like that bullshit. It is. There's more stuff up there than there is down there. So when you're walking in the Amazon, you're under 150 feet of green.

50:283 % of the sunlight is hitting the ground. Most of the action is happening above you. Wow. The birds, the monkeys, the bats, the snakes, the frogs. Everything is moving up there. There's cactuses and brimiliads and vines. And it's all interconnected. And there's this whole network. The Amazon canopy keeps changing the, like, when you say how many species are on Earth. And it's like, they're like, we really don't know. Because nobody, nobody can spend time up in the Amazon canopy. There's people that have used hot air balloons. There's people that have used giant nets. You can climb up with a rope, but then like you're kind of limited to one tree.

51:01I just, we just spent the last two months building the tallest treehouse in the world. It's like above. See, can you get, can you do treehouse? It's insane. I slept up there for one night. Look at this. Look at this coming out of the mist. I just slept up there for one night. And in the morning, I couldn't believe what I saw. We woke up and it was like what they tell you in the rainforest books. It was like, there was like three species of monkeys, like 15 different species of birds. There was things just moving all over the place. There's like, we've cut our treehouse. Little. It takes like 10 minutes to walk up there.

51:36That's badass. Yeah, apparently it's the tallest treehouse in the world. It's in the middle of the Amazon now. And we had so many feet up, is it? I think the floor is about 110 feet up. And how long did it take to build this thing? A couple of months took like three months actually. We brought in some expert treehouse builders, these guys, the treehouse community. That's insane. They build treehouses all over the world. But this one, it was like, we had to figure out, like, how do you even build a staircase? The staircase was half the project. How do you build a staircase to get up to the top of this tree?

52:05It's amazing. You guys did an amazing job. I love it. Yeah. God, I want to go. That's beautiful. Yeah, there it is. The floor paddles. Look at that. That's incredible. So you get electricity up there? That's fucking badass. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's really cool. That's still there right now. Still there. No, it just got there. You see how fresh that wood is. It's like it's not even done. Like, I left there to come here. You sleep there when you're there? That's your spot? Yeah, me and my girlfriend just slept up there. Oh my god. I told the girl I'm going up there. She must be an angel. Crazy. Dude, if you're going to hang out with me, there's a lot of snakes, a lot of climbing.

52:44Oh, I can imagine. You've got to go to the tree house. So when you wake up in the morning and look out from there, it's got to be insane. I mean, first of all, the sun coming up in the east and you have like red apocalypse, beautiful, like mist coming off the jungle. And you have spider monkeys like excited because that's a fake, that's a fight kiss. And so everyone's excited to eat. So all the animals are coming to the tree house. And so you have like howler monkeys, spider monkeys, capuchins, squirrel monkeys. I can't even name all the birds for you. It would just take too long. But it's just, it's like cacophonists.

53:15Like I couldn't talk to you because we wouldn't be able to hear each other. Wow. You have to scream. And there's like fruit falling on you and animals are shitting all over the place. And there's like leaf cutter ants are starting up their day. And then there's like bullet ants fucking around me. I'm like, who can I take down today? Like, it is wild. But it's like, that's why we were like, okay, we got it. Because otherwise you climb up on a rope and you're like holding onto a branch and you look around and you go down. This is like now you now you can go up there and like take it in. And it's a whole other world.

53:42It's wild. And we put it like right in the middle of the 50 ,000 acres. And so it's just mega remote wilderness. And you're actually comfortable. And so you have solar panels. So do you have batteries up there? Do you have like how are you running that? Well, one of the guys on my team, Stefan is a complete psychopath and a intense problem solver. He put solar panels, hot water, a bathroom. So this is now, this isn't just a tree house. This is like a luxury tree house. A bathroom. Like running wash a shower. Whoa. So you have pipes that go down the side of the. Yeah. Yeah. So this pipes, the idea is that like you can't bring a high volume of tourists into a pristine rainforest.

54:22And like tourism is a major help for helping us protect this place. So it's like, we went with like the African model. Like the guys I work with in Africa at VEPA, they were like, you know, they work on a hunting reserve. And the owner of the reserve explained it to me like this. He was like, look, no one's going to pay $30 ,000 to take a picture of a buffalo. But they might pay $30 ,000 to shoot a buffalo. And that like stuck in my head. And it was like, how do we get less tourists at more value? And it's like, build the tallest, most remote, comfortable luxury tree house in the world. And it's like, so now we can invite people up there and be like, you can like literally live stream like Wi -Fi.

54:57We got, we got Starlink up there and we carried some Starlink out there. Yeah. So when you messaged me, I was out there. That's how I got it. I got it on Starlink. I was out in the jungle. And I was like, oh shit. I was like, oh shit, guys. I was like, I got to go back to the US for a minute. Wow. So you could have like the ultimate experience going to the, you could make a bunch of those. Yeah. And people would pay an insane amount of money to go there. Yeah. I mean, that's the idea. So we're going to see if it works. Because since the beginning, like when I started with JJ, it was like, we bring people to the jungle.

55:31You camp out with us. You live in the tent with us. And it was like, the market for that is like really small. Right. There's like six people that want to do it. Like, nobody wants to do that. And like, and the people that do want to do it, ask them in the morning if they still want to do it. Right. They don't. And so making it so that people can actually come and see the Amazon rainforest in a way that's like safe and bug free and air conditioned and everything else. And it's like, you can just wake up and look at it all. And it's like, so it's that it's a, it's a, it's an amazing thing. I can't believe that I got to sleep up there.

56:02So it's like, it's, it's pretty cool. That's insane. Yeah. So back to the anaconda. I'm trying to figure out how old they get. They get old, man. I think I think like, I'm, I'm, I would say 70. So because when you have like a whole python, you're talking like 30 years or something like that. But do they know that they have a lifespan? Do they know that they die of old age? Is that a thing that happens with them or they just keep going? Like there's some animals that live on earth. Like I think there's a shark that's older than the United States that's still alive. It's like a type of, what is it?

56:38Greenland shark? There's a type of shark that's literally from like the 1700s that's still living. They also pull the spearhead out of a, I want to say a right whale, where the same thing and they, they dated that spearhead back to like the 1830s or something. How long the Greenland sharks lives? Like scientists with Greenland shark lives. At least 250 years, they may live over 500 years. And that thing is just down in the black abyss, just moving, just wind. Just swimming around. When our grandparents were alive, it was, it was just doing that. Yeah, people were riding horses. The things just swimming around.

57:13The internet comes around. It's still swimming. Chat GPT, still swimming. Holy shit. Yeah. I just wonder how old Anaconda's getting. So the folklore about them, the 60 foot ones, like a wonder if that's real. One of these is keep growing. I, I think I wouldn't be surprised if they're well into the 30s. If you told me that somebody found a 35 foot Anaconda, it'd be like absolutely. What is the world record that they've ever discovered? I don't know. Again, we have the scientifically verified 186s. It's not as big. It's not as big. I've seen bigger. I know other people that have seen, like people I trust that have seen bigger.

57:48There's bigger Anacondas out there for sure. Yeah. And there's no way to know. There's so much territory. Yeah. And so much territory. Because in between those rivers is just eons of unbroken forests. Like, yeah, we have to worry about the Amazon. It's being cut down, but there are still places. Is that one real? That's a dick pick. That's, this is the one that keeps popping. There's only a few pictures online. The largest ones. It's like 30 feet. So is that a perspective thing? Yeah. So it holds a fish in front of them like this. That's it. Yeah. And that's why I said that. Because they're holding that so much closer to the camera.

58:25And that's a retic. So that's Indonesia. That's somewhere in Southeast Asia. It's still big. It's still big, but it could be like 11 feet, which is kind of a puppy still. So there's other ones where it shows Anacondas wrapped around a giant tractor. Are those fake? I think those are fake. There's one though where they're cutting an Indonesian farm worker out of a reticulated python. And that's real. 100%. I mean, people do get eaten by snakes. I mean, that's not, you know. It's like that. I remember because when I was like, I said, say even up until like five years ago, it would always be like, are these videos real?

58:56And then like two years ago or so, they were like, watch this. And like, you see the guy fall out of the snake and you're like, okay, that one's real. Yeah. Yeah. It does happen. It does happen. How often does it happen? Is it something that they worry about? Or is it just like a very rare occurrence of someone being in the wrong place the wrong time? You got to be pretty, I mean, as a human, you got to be pretty stupid to get eaten by an anticon. You got to be doing something really stupid. Really? Yeah. I mean, because like you're walking through the jungle, like you know, you know not to go up to your chest in certain swamps.

59:25I mean, dude, I was, I was, I was just feeling walking around knowing this giant snake. Or I'll beat up your chest and water. Fuck out of here. Or get the giant snakes. And you fall into that nightmare soup at two in the morning and you, and you get that black water on you. And there's, there's things going up your pants. There are insects in the water. There are tarantulas walking on the water, eating the frogs. It's like you are in a festival of sex and death when you're in the Amazon night. Like it is falling into that water. Like when we go in there to do research, we're like looking at frogs and shit.

59:59And it's like we put our socks over our pants to like make sure, because otherwise shit gets up there. One girl got bitten like 16 times by this giant aquatic water spider thing. That like went up her leg just going like Morse coding her just like, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, just like pumping venom into her. Oh, yeah. How bad she had fucked up. I emotionally, I think it was worse than the pain because the pain gave her some benadryl. And she like slept it off. But like she was just like, God, it was so horrible. She was like slapping my leg, trying to get this thing to stop biting me.

1:00:28And it was just getting more scared. So it was biting her more. And it's like, you don't even know what it is. It could be a new species. Wow. You don't even know what it is. No, we don't have a real accounting of all the different species. No, no, no, they don't. And so like people say all like a bullet ant is the most painful insect bite. And it's like, dude, I've been bitten by a stung by bullet ants like eight times. They hurt. They suck. But I found a caterpillar that was like, you know, I don't know. Again, maybe like two zippos. And I had it on a leaf. And I was trying to put it in a terrarium.

1:01:02And the leaf, like bent under the things way. It was like yellow. It kind of looked like Trump's hair. And it like fell on my hand. And I was plunged into immediate like electro shock like pain waves. Way worse than a bullet ant. Way worse. Whatever this caterpillar did to me, fucked me up for days. Wow. It was horrible. Some kind of venom. Yeah. I mean, under, then, then I like, I really got scared. Because then I was like, okay, do I have to get out of the forest. So like we went in with like four seps and like move the hair. And like underneath the hair, it has like these like Christmas tree barbs.

1:01:35And the hair is covering those barbs. Yeah. Something something like that. What the fuck, man? Yeah. Look at that thing. Yeah. No. That was... I was not laughing. Like when we get bit by a bullet ant, we're like, oh shit. Like your day is over. It's funny. That's not funny. Is this about your work? Is this from you? No. This image is another one. Is this another one ran the most internet? This is in Florida? It says it's a pus caterpillar. Oh my god. In Florida. I've never heard of it. And I've never heard of it. So was that an invasive species? There's so many of those in Florida. It says it's too venomous caterpillars in the US.

1:02:10So what does it say? What did you say? It's what every here says most venomous caterpillar in the US. Oh wow, it says it's like a bee sting, though, but I just... It says it's the only worse pain immediately. Rapidly gets worse from being stung. Can you even make your bones hurt? So does that exactly what got you or something s 있는? No, something in that family. Something related to that. Oh, but dude, I hate that feeling. I hate even thinking about that feeling is horrible. And so that's the worst one that you've experienced. That's the worst insect bite, yeah. What about other bites? Well, I mean, like crocodile's hurt.

1:02:44You got bit by crocodile? Yeah, really? Yeah, I just, I, one time I got, I was, I was catching a cameon at night. And it was like a, you know, usually you catch a cameon. They're not that big. I caught one that's a little bit too big and she like, I couldn't get an arm over her. I had her in by the neck and I couldn't get an arm over her tail because her tail was like over here. And she thrashed out and I stupid, stupid, stupid. I like grabbed one of her high, just let her go. You know, there's no reason for this. I just, I grabbed like a hind leg and I was like, oh, I'm going to read. She just came around and whack and just nailed me and snapped my watch in half.

1:03:16Like she just like put a nail through the watch I had, which was great because it saved me and then I still have this like a something in my arm in my hand, just like a bone knot. But like then her other tooth went in there and came out there. And it's like, it was just stupid. Now I'm more careful when I catch rocks. How big is that came in? They're fairly small in that family, right? Well, you have the, we have four species where we are. We have the smooth fronted, we have the dwarf, which are both like three feet, five feet and then you have spectacle, which can get up to like, you know, eight, nine feet and then you have black came in that can be 18 feet long.

1:03:49Really? Yeah, black came in's a real, black came in's a real thing. Really? Oh yeah. 18 feet long? Yeah. Oh yeah, no, like a black came in skull is like. Oh my God. Another huge. Let me see what that looks like. I always thought I was under the impression that came in's were the smaller ones. I didn't know they got that big. You know, black came in looks like an alligator. Like it's, it's their monsters. A big alligator. They get 18 feet long. Holy shit, man. So you encountered those? Yeah, I've encountered those. I was, what the fuck, dude? Dinosaurs. Oh, they're huge. Holy shit. Dude, there is one spot that we were exploring.

1:04:30This is again, one of those places where you're way past like the edge of civilization and we were, we found this like swamp and again, it's always JJ that finds everything. He goes, oh no. And I went, what? And he goes, look at these. And there's like a drag mark, huge black came in. Like monsters, like a two foot thick stomach. And then these monster hands on either side, you know, the feet as it's walking and we're like following this thing and it comes to the water. And floating in the water is the bodies of all these dead peckery, all these dead wild boar floating in the water. And I'm like, what am I looking at here?

1:05:03And we got a stick and we brought them in and we realized a whole herd of pigs had tried to swim across this water. And this monster -ass Godzilla black came in had just gone and just, gush, gush, gush, gush, just took down like 10 of them. Wow. And so we just were like checking out as refrigerator. Like they were just there for later. They're just like floating there. So he's in the area. He was in the area. And we were like up to our knees and I was like, oh, oh. I was like, we should probably go do it. Let's go. Oh my God. No, like they're scary big. Like they're scary, scary, scary, scary big.

1:05:38Are those similar to the ones they have in like Costa Rica? Costa Rica, I believe this is outside of my expertise but I think you have American crocodiles and I think you have spectacle camins there. I don't think you have black camins in Costa Rica. Well, we saw some big crocodiles in Costa Rica. Yeah, man. I mean, big for me. Yeah. I don't know how big they got into the bedroom but they were, we were on a boat trip and we were going down this river and you see him sliding into the water. So there's ones that were sunning on the side and then you see him just sliding the water. It was very creepy.

1:06:09Yeah. Because the water's brown and you can't see shit and you know they're there. They don't bother you though. I just stepped on a cam in the other, like a small one. I just stepped on a cam in the other day and I was like, you know, you freaked out. Okay, Costa Rica crocodile. They weigh between 1 ,000 to 1 ,000 pounds. They get between 13 and 16 feet long. Yeah, those are the ones we saw. So that's a different American crocodile. So it's the same as the ones that they have in Florida. Is that true? I don't know. No, American crocodiles. It's clearly Costa Rican crocodiles. Something different.

1:06:41You get very big indeed. So I think they're saying it's the same thing. Is that what they're saying? Because I know the American crocodiles, they're small or her than the alligators, but much more aggressive. They're spotted Nile crocodiles in the Everglades. No. Yeah, they've got to kill on site order for Nile crocodiles. They've at least spotted one. They don't know if it's breeding or no more than one. That's so much worse than Burmese pythons. It's the Florida thing is so goddamn crazy. It's so wild. It's so wild what's happened down there. That there's literally 99 % of all the mammals are missing from the Everglades.

1:07:2499 % 99%. Yeah, Google that. They've found four since the 90s. Yeah, okay, so they've found four in there, over there, so that's even worse. So you know they're in there. You know they're in there. They've found Nile crocodiles. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I guarantee it's some asshole with a pet. Yeah, let them go. Now they're breeding. Oh, but that's so much scary. I mean, they just had the smash power that they have to take down a wildebeest to rip the head off a zebra. Like I played a video on my Instagram that I found of one snapping a pig in half. Yeah, it just has to take, yeah, just snap. Yeah, and just chucks down the leg.

1:08:04Oh, yeah, but it's see if you can find that statistic on the Everglades that there's 99 % of the mammals are missing. Is there, I think it's true. I think it's true. I think it's 99 % of all the raccoons, 99 % of all the deer, everything, because the fucking crocodiles ate them all. Well, it's everything. It says it's the pythons, but it could be a few. 99, look at that. Study published Monday in the proceeds of the National Academy of Sciences found the sightings of medium -sized mammals are down drastically as much as 99%. In some cases, in areas where pythons and other large non -native constrictor snakes are known to be lurking.

1:08:44Wow. So the people that I know that have been there, say it's over the last few decades, it's drastic. You don't see anything anymore. You just see the snakes and you see alligators. What's like Guam? Guam had that problem with the snakes. Were there, yeah, there was on the island of Guam, they had a monstrous snake problem, but that's the funny thing with the jungle is like, it's everything is so, there's so many predators, everything is eating each other. So it's like you don't have any one thing, the balance is in the Amazon, in the Amazon. That's the thing about the invasive species that get introduced into an ecosystem that nothing's there to eat them, which is crazy.

1:09:24These python hunters that are finding these massive pythons in the Everglades, it's so crazy to watch how many of them there are and how they keep finding it. I see kids on social media going out and like literally like finding Burmese pythons. It's like everyone can do it. They say there's a half a million of them at least in the Everglades. I mean, it's warm, it's wet, there's wildlife, it's perfect, it's just like, it's fucking a thing, something to do with that. How do they do that now? It's like they're so invasive, they're so in the system. How could they possibly eradicate them? There's there's, I mean, cane toads in Australia, I mean, there's so many examples of this where we've transported something or I think it was, I think it was cats in New Zealand devastated, house cats just really as well.

1:10:10They brought them in to kill off other things and they just devastated ground nesting birds and anything else. Yeah, not like tragic, it's really sad. But what can they do? At this point, the Everglades are so dense. Higher fluoridamans to go out. They think they are doing that, right? They are doing that, but how much of a dent can they even put it at one -on -one? I don't think it's a problem that you can really solve because if you get those big ones, but then it's like there's, there's so cryptic snakes are so cryptic, like again, that what we've learned about Anacondas is like they're, they can be around you and you don't know it.

1:10:46Like they'll go in the sand and in a river and they'll like stick their nose up and they'll just be resting and they'll be like, I ate last week, I'm just gonna chill here. And so like we'll be walking up a stream and if that snake, like once snakes have like radio transmitters in them, we're like, oh my God, they, we have none of the equipment required to find them. So like the babies, they're in the leaf litter, they're in the swamps, they're like, they were never gonna get them out. Like that's just the way it is now. Like I think I totally think that they should try as much as possible, pour, pour Florida wildlife.

1:11:17Yeah. But realistically, what are you gonna do? They're eating alligators now, I'm sure you've seen that. Yeah, there's like a picture where it like exploded out the side. Yeah, they're trying to eat alligators are too big. We're eating like 12 foot alligators. We need to find someone to explain to the pythons what size alligator is, the proper size alligator. That is so gangster though, you try to eat something bigger than you and it bursts out the side of your body. Like how big do pythons get? What is the biggest python ever? I think the, I think berms gets like 18 feet. Marshall got like shaky, alligators.

1:11:48Talk of pythons. Talk of fuck. It would love you. I would never bring my dog to the junk on. No way. Never, never. It wouldn't last. It's a bot flies and all the shit. Oh, I saw the images off your Instagram. Are you getting bot flies pulled out of your back? Yeah, yeah. When you, yeah, when we were talking, I had a, I had a, I was in a bad way with some bot flies, man, they suck. How often is that? It's not often, but when it happens, it really, really sucks. Yeah, this is, this is it. Yeah, so this I'd had, I'd had, this was like, I brought it home. This was like at home. And so yeah, you see there's the tip of it.

1:12:22Oh, for row. So this is where you're already at home and you're getting an extra active. Yeah, that's a big one. That's this thing is like, almost as thick as a pencil. Look at that. Blah, look at that thing they're pulling out of you. What does it feel like when it's in you? Look at the size of that, dude. Yeah, no, and they eat. You know, the pasta comes out. Dr. Pimple Piper should be proud. Yeah, they at night, they wake you up because they'll start, they'll start chewing on you. Yeah, they really suck. Oh, yes. And that's the only way to get them out is to pull it. Oh, God, you got them all over your side and you're on.

1:12:55How did you get them? Apparently a fly catches a mosquito and lays its eggs on the mosquito or moths. We think it's the moths in our region because usually every time I get bough flies, it's when I'm doing such intense work that I don't have time to wash my clothes. It's directly linked to how clean you are. Because like, I'll take off a sweaty ass shirt, throw it over a stick, go to bed, wake up, and then be like, boom, throw it back on and go. And then like a week later you get bough flies. And it's like, because the moths are covering your shirt at night and the mosquitoes are all, they're all like the sweat.

1:13:27And so you see all these bugs at night all over your shit. Oh, there's just eggs in there. It's just eggs and then it gets on your skin and it gets in there. So like I was, and then like I wasn't sleeping and then like they kind of get infected and it's just like, bough flies suck. Oh, bough flies suck. It's like nature is metal in your skin. It's like, just try to carve its way through you and eat your meat. Oh, God. Marshall's freaking out over here. Yeah, he's like, what do you guys do? So other than the bough flies, what are the other insects that you have to worry about? Like there's a constant stream of mosquitoes and gnats and stuff, but it's really not that.

1:14:03Oh, God. That's a bough fly. That's a bough fly. Exiting. I think it's a exiting a body of a dead animal. Yeah. Oh, jeez. Oh, my buddy. What the fuck, man? What a creepy thing. That's a, that's a, that's a hell of a bough fly. It's like a rhino. They're particularly disturbing. Yeah, this, oh, God. There's something like, there's a great book, I wish I could remember this. There's a great book on parasites where they said something like the number of parasites for every species on earth, how many parasites exist specifically for that. And it's like, there's more parasites than there are animals on earth than it's fucked.

1:14:45It makes you, it makes you not, you know. So that's the thing to have to deal with. And I think that's the deal. What other like spiders or the, spiders or the children, I love spiders. When I see like a big ass tarantula chilling in my room, like I'm like, do your job, eat the scariest stuff. Like tarantulas are not gonna bother you. I'm always happy with a good, a nice big tarantula. Whoa, what's happening? Tarantulas are cool. Tarantulas are super cool. Tarantulas, I saw tarantulas eating a mouse one time and it was great. Whoa. They also ate it in the web. No, they, he popped out of his hole and he murked this thing.

1:15:21He just like bit it on the face. He shoved its fangs right in his eyes. And the mouse, it was funny too because I was watching the mouse. I did not see the tarantula and the tarantula jumped out and flash shoved its fangs into the mouse's eyes. And the mouse went into like instant arrest. Like it was paralyzed. It just went straight out and didn't move and the tarantula was like, and like pulled it down into its hole. Whoa. These stories scare you. He's a little freaked out. No, she's getting freaked out. He's a little freaked, he's an empath. Oh, look at that. No. Wow. God, that is the worst way to go.

1:15:59Thank God those things are as small as they are. I found a video the other day and I put it on my Instagram of giant toad eating mice. Oh. Yeah, there's like, and they can't even really crush them. So it's probably just following it. Just following it. Just following it. It's so creepy to watch because you don't realize like how big their mouths are until you see them stuff are rat in there. So it's someone some sick fucker set this up. They put the toad this big giant yellow looking toad in like a fish tank with a bunch of rats running around. See if we can find it. It's on my Instagram, Jamie.

1:16:33You don't see it? You don't see it? No, it didn't get pulled down, did it? I mean, I was looking. God dammit, censorship. These mothers. They would pull down a tower here as a main page. No, it's on my main page. It's got to be in there. I don't think. Don't you get a notification when they pull shit down? I think pretty soon there's gonna be more people with tattoos of your face than not. Here it is, I found it, Jamie. Which one is it? I'll send it to you if you want. Is that Axel Rose? Where? I have your Instagram up on there. Oh yeah, I met Axel Rose. Did you meet Slash? No, I didn't meet him by song.

1:17:07It's up there, Jamie. Scroll down. There it is, bam. That's it. So look at this giant toad. And these rats are running around trying to get free. Oh. Watch when he grabs him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look at his fat greedy fingers. Is he stuffs that rat in his mouth. Look at that. No teeth, just swallow. But I'm wondering right now what kills the rat. It doesn't seem like a dead, digest it. Just swallow it. How about the rat? Just chew its way out. Oh God. I think it crushes him. Slyably in the poison or something. Oh. What a creepy animal. Imagine if those fuckers are big, just chasing people.

1:17:46They just seem so. There's something about reptiles and frogs and turtles. They just seem so heartless. Just, yeah. No emotion, just all, yeah. Dude, we found a large, I forget what type of spider it was, but it was eating a snake one night. That was fun. I love seeing the interspecies things. You see a tarantula eating a mouse, or you see a spider eating a snake. And it's like this, this is just worse than it should be. It always happens in the middle of the night too. It's always like not when you want to see that shit. Well, I would imagine it makes you really appreciate civilization in some way, at least the peace and quiet.

1:18:27I mean, I guess not though, because I guess you really appreciate that. I like which wild. I like where I like to see, I mean, look, the Amazon's so important that it's like to me, of course, as a conservationist, I'm like, we need all of these crazy creations to be doing that, to create that ecosystem. It's like, so like to me, that's very comforting. I'm like, let all that crazy shit be there. If you don't like it, don't live there. Like, you don't even live in Connecticut, like whatever. But like, though, the wilder it is, like you go to the jungle in January, and you go into a swamp and it's just a freak show.

1:19:02It's just all of that. And you just go through the swamp and there's all these frogs and snakes and night monkeys and anacondas and black came in and all this shit. And you see eyes looking at you through the darkness and it's jaguars and it's like, it is wild. Are the jaguars something to be worried about? Not at all, not at all. I got woken up by a jaguar one time. I was on one of those solos and I was in my hammock and the jag came up and I was very lost and very alone and I was like on like day six or something of being lost, I don't remember. Not wasn't that long of a solo. But I was lost and I was scared.

1:19:34And I was in a hammock. How did you get lost? Well, as soon as you leave the river, like you could literally walk 15 feet and then be like, I'm just gonna come right back and the jungle will like blare with you. You will, because it's all green. So you just like think you know what you're doing. Just last week, I took people, I wanted to cross from one trail to another trail and I was like, I'm a guide, I can do this. And I came back out on the same trail like a half hour later and I was like, yep, that's what I meant to do. Let's go. Like happens to JJ all the time. Really? You cannot find your way in the jungle.

1:20:05Do you use a compass? Don't use a compass. Why not? Because actually apparently some of the iron content and some of the saps and the trees pulls the needle. It doesn't work really well. It's like, you know, the trees are trying to trick you. Oh my God. GPS has run out of batteries. You know, it's like, it's like you really just, you have to learn your bushcraft. You have to learn how to navigate in the jungle. And it's like, which is pretty much you have to get just amazing at dead reckoning and remembering your course because it's so dense that like we play with people, we go, you know, go see if you can go from here to there.

1:20:43And it's like, they can't, they can't go there. They can't do that as soon as you leave the river. So like I had gone out on this solo, gotten lost, gotten scared and then been like, oh shit. What if I just like into the wilded myself? What if now I'm gonna be the next kid that went and died in the Amazon? And like I like slept in a in the hammock, but this is like as I was learning. So I didn't realize that the hammock that I had bought had a mosquito net on top, but the back was not mosquito proof. So they could stick through. So my back was being destroyed by mosquitoes as I'm trying to sleep and like a couple of nights of that.

1:21:15And so I finally fall asleep and I wake up in the middle of the night and I hear breathing right next to my face. And I like wanted to turn my headlamp on and I just hear like, right here. Like I could feel her breath and I was like six inches away from a jaguar's face. And she just like, you know, and then left. And she just came in. She wanted to see what that was. She was like, you're not gonna move. That's what you're not gonna do. She growled like right into my ear and then later on. Oh, that one's cute though. That's a cute picture, which that's a QJ. Wow, and they vary in colors and the spots and everything.

1:22:00Like some of them were much darker. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, actually somebody recently was like, where do you see panthers? And I went on this whole thing of like, you know, a leopard or a jaguar, just like you can have albinos. You have a melanistic one. Yeah, wow. So like people would call that a panther, but a panther's not not a real. There's no animal that's a panther. It's like a Kleenex. Like it's a, it's just another name for it. That's so beautiful. But a black jacket, yeah. Oh my god, that's beautiful. Yeah, in South India, they have the black leopards. What an amazing looking animal.

1:22:31Look at the muscles. Yeah, that's an amazing killing machine. And so, humans don't get taken out by them. I can only really speak for our region of the Amazon, but there's, I haven't even heard a story about it. Really? No one, like no one. Our jags are just, we have like record numbers of jags. Like I think they're listed as near threatened and we have like some of the strongest remaining jaguar populations in the world. It's incredible. But you barely see them. We barely see them. The last one I saw was two years ago. And some people like go their whole lives without seeing them. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:23:07Well, because people walk off into the jungle and they don't realize people, it's so funny living in the wild and seeing people show up there. And it's like people come and they're like, they smell like shampoo and cologne and a bug spray and deodorant. And they're just like, if to an animal that has such better senses than we do, they might as well just have like sirens on them. And like you are this shiny glittering fog horn of attention in the jungle. And like every animal's going to run away from you. And so people are like, how come you go out and you see so much stuff? And it's like, I only shower in the river.

1:23:41I live out in the jungle. I smell like they do. Like I'm out there for weeks. And it's like I'm not going and like shampooing my hair. It's like, and so like to these animals. Like they know when you're coming. Like a jag is just going to be like, oh, that's a human. Do you wash with soap when you wash in the river? I do. I do use a biodegradable soap. You have to keep your skin clean or else you're just getting infections. But like for the most part, like my clothing, everything like I don't use anything that's scented because of that, because I want to be out there and just blend in. And that's whether I'm out in the field with elephants or whether you're out in Africa or India or whether you're in the Amazon.

1:24:17I want to be sort of like included. I want to blend in. And so like not that long ago I was checking a camera trap. I heard, I thought it was a, we had students at our research station at the time. And I heard like the leaves going like ch ch ch and it was like September so the jungle was dry. And I turned around and I was going to scare this person because I was going to be like, who walks that loud in the jungle? Like have you never, you have no respect and I turned around with my finger up and this jag walked right by me on the trail and just like, sup, just kept walking. And I was like, finger up.

1:24:47And I was like, okay, oh lord. But I took that as good because at least I was my like scent trail was so that he didn't know us there. I could see it on his face. He didn't care. He was like, but I mean, he was six feet away. He didn't even break his stride. He just walked by and he was like, he was sup. They don't think of you as foods and just keep moving. And I think they're, you know, with big cats the mothers teach the young had a hunt and I think they're so oriented, like with tigers they're so oriented on horizontal, you know, get the neck from underneath, break the neck from up top. And it's like when they see a vertical animal walking by, I think they're like, first of all, I don't know what this is.

1:25:25Second of all, it smells weird. Third of all, where do I even, you know, you gotta be desperate to take that risk. I don't think that, I don't think the thing. Lions are a different story, but with jags, with tigers, with leopards, I've never, ever felt any fear being around a jag war, like any fear. I don't even take pictures of them. I just enjoy it. Wow. I let other people take pictures. If I'm with people, I'll let them take pictures but I like will not lift my camera for a jag. I'll just stand there and just take it in. Yeah. You get to see them so rarely. I don't want to sit there. Finally seeing one and then put another screen in front of my face, right?

1:26:00Look through it through some glass. Like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah, that's our camera. They start from, that's from yours? Yeah. Wow, look at that thing. Yeah. That is so majestic. What an amazing animal. What is glowing eyes? Well, that's the crazy thing. You shine your headlamp into the night. And then when things look back at you, you got to wonder what it is. Oh. It's like, well, when there's two eyes in the front, you know, there's two eyes in the front, yeah. But sometimes the deer, but then the jags do this thing where they move their head like this. They're like, they try and see around your headlamp.

1:26:36They're like, do this little side to side thing. Like the deer, they'll just blink at you. They'll just blink. And so you start learning the eye shines. You start learning the, you know, because then you can be out there at night and you look at something and people are like, oh, shit, dude, it's a jagged and it's like, no, it's a deer. When you were saying that the uncontacted tribe were speaking in monkey calls, how do they, what are they doing? So JJ's dad used to tell us, he said, if you're ever out in the forest and something doesn't sound right, he was like, get out of there. And he was like, because they will use the tinnamoo calls, like the undulated tinnamoo was like, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo.

1:27:13But like, we know what that sounds like, but we also know what it doesn't sound like. And so like, everyone then you'll hear one that's, you know, different. And like, we all get freaked out because we're like, those, that's how we do it. That's how JJ taught me to do it. Like if there was a bunch of tourists right there and JJ wanted me to come over and like, chill with him and we wanted to go hang, he would just do that and get my attention. And like, I know that it's not a tinnamoo, I know it's JJ. And so it's like, they've taken that to a whole nother level where they can communicate. And so there was a group of guys who was upriver and they got surrounded.

1:27:43They heard monkey calls coming from different directions. And they realized that they were completely surrounded. And like, at least one of the guys was saying, it was telling it to me. He got in the water and like crawled like a turtle and like escaped. And then the tribe showed up and then there was this whole showdown where they actually shot one of the community members. And then one of the guys who knows some of their language was saying that they, it looked like they were mad with the guy that shot the guy, they were mad with him. Like they were like, why did you do that now? Now there's going to be retaliation.

1:28:14Like, why did you shoot him? And like, there was like a whole discussion happening while these people were like huddled in the stream waiting to see if they got killed too. So it's like, I don't really, you know, look, when you get these loggers going in there, it's like, yeah, we'll pay you to protect the rain forest. And like, you don't have to do this. You don't have to be going into these areas that are that dangerous. So yeah, so at this point now, though, part, you know, through all of this, though, we've established jungle keepers. We have 50 ,000 acres. We're trying to do 300 ,000 acres.

1:28:47And if we can do that, we'll basically be helping to establish one of the largest protected areas in the Amazon rainforest, which will encompass these uncontacted people. And they can stay uncontacted and they can stay safe and do whatever they want to do in the jungle guarding the secret pyramids and the giant ground sloths or whatever the hell it is that they do.

1:29:09But we're close. Now, how many uncontacted tribes are they aware of? I think there's like over a hundred different groups across the Amazon. There's also varying degrees of, and the other thing is the conversation so often gets turned to like their, you know, violence and that they're people to live out in the jungle. And I have no idea how they do it either because, you know, at night, we need headlamps. We don't have night vision. All the animals have night vision. So it's like, what do they do that night? They're able to make fire in the jungle at night every day. You, if I gave you an entire book of matches, me and you, we sat down right now in the jungle.

1:29:47It's like, okay, cool, you got a machete in a book of matches. It's the first one to make fire wins. We couldn't do it. It's wet. Everything is wet. So how are they, what are, you know, what's there? Are they doing bow drill? Are they doing, what are they doing? So we don't really know, no. We don't know how they do that. We don't know how they stay infection -free. We don't know what they do with their old people. We never see old people. We never really see children. And so like, they move around and they, we see like groups of men on beaches. We see like that picture, that aerial picture where you see like a family group out.

1:30:20That's in turtle season where you have turtles laying their eggs on the beaches and the tribes will come out because that's easy food. You just pick up turtle eggs and eat them. But there's so much that we don't know about their lifestyle. And like, people get so many things wrong. Just, you know, if you leave them alone, then they won't kill you. If you, you know, then people go, they're stone age tribes. And it's like, well, they're not stone age tribes because they're alive right now. And you couldn't live out in the jungle, but they can. Right. So it's like there's elements of their, you know, their botanical knowledge, their medicinal knowledge, their creation myths, their view of history.

1:30:51I mean, they're coming at reality from a whole different perspective than we are. Wow. And there's really no way to get, does anyone speak their language? Do we know what language they all speak? Because at Universal, they have different languages. It's not universal. And there was someone in our region who like captured a child from the uncontacted, raised him in a very remote community. And people have tried, anthropologists have tried. They've been like, hey, so what was it like when you grew up? And it's like, it's dark. He's just like, I don't remember. Like, no one's been able to get any information out of him.

1:31:26How old was he when they captured? I think like six. Like under 10, for sure. Does he not remember? Does he just not want to talk about it? I don't know. That's the, there's all these underlying stories. Oh man, yeah, then last year, some loggers went to a place they shouldn't have gone and they got whacked. And sort of like the WhatsApp underground in Peru, like everyone was sending each other pictures because one of the cops sent to his family a picture of what the bodies looked like on like day six, laying on the beach with arrows and them and shit. And it was like, oh my god. It was like, it's just, it makes you stay in bed at night.

1:32:05You're just like, I'm not going out. Jesus. But I mean, yeah, it's just, it's a complicated topic because there's people that want to contact them. There's people that want to leave them alone. And then of course, there's missionaries that are like, they need the Bible. What did you think about Law City of Z? I loved the book. I wanted more from the movie. Of course, yeah, there's only so much time. And yeah, Hollywood fuckery. Oh god. The book was fantastic. And that guy was out of his mind. Out of his mind. Out of his mind. Yeah. Percy Fawcett. Yeah. Percy Fawcett. But like the fact that he could go on those expeditions and not get infected.

1:32:45I've been, I've been, I've been brutally like, oh, let me show you, I'll show you this picture. I don't think there's any way of pulling this up. But like, the, like, the jungle just gets into your skin. What is that in your face? Mercer infection. It like started, it started like, you know, mosquito bites and then I would scratch and then you don't realize you're spreading it with your fingers. You go like, go like this and shit and sun. I mean, I almost died from that. Like that was, but I was staying in the jungle to like take care of an antiter. But it's like, how did you get free of that?

1:33:16Like if you're in the jungle, did you use antibiotics? Go home. You just go home. I have to go home at that point. I got to, I remember I got to JFK and the, the guy, you know, like, look down my passport. He goes, yeah, what were you doing in Peru? And then he looked up and he goes, buddy, what the fuck? And I was like, I'm just trying to keep it. He's like stamped it. He was like, go, go, go, go, go. He's like, go, go to the doctor. I can't, but I can't believe they let me through. Right. You could have been infected with some crazy plague. Could have had like monkey Ebola. Yeah. It was, it looked bad.

1:33:42And I spent days in the hospital like it was, it was really, really bad. But for Percy Fawcett to not, they would say like, other people would be dying. There was somebody, I think the guy's name was Murray. He came from the Shackleton, next Peter, he'd already been out with Shackleton. So he was like, I'm a real explorer. And he lasted, he didn't last any time with, with, with Fawcett. Because Percy Fawcett was just like, he can't keep up. Go die. You can go die with the, with the mules. Like he just wouldn't stop. So my question is, it's like, did he go out and eventually get killed? Or did he eventually go out and like find the tribe that made him their king?

1:34:13And just, there's no knowledge. There's no knowledge of it. Yeah, no one really knows what happened to him. And they said in that book that over a hundred people have died looking for him since he left. And the other expeditions that have gone out, all of those have died too. And it's like, yeah, look at him. Look at him. Look at him, look at his eyes. Hard man. It's a hard man. Look at him. That looks like a guy who could survive in the Amazon. He tells you to keep up. Look at the fucking feral eyes on that motherfucker. Yeah. Wow. The story's so fascinating because now we know through the use of LiDAR, that there really were complex cities in the Amazon.

1:34:52Yeah, which is just incredible. That the jungle just swallowed up all these very complex structures. Yeah, it's funny because somebody sent me a video of Graham Hawkins. Graham Hancock. Graham Hancock. Saying how he was like, yeah, and he goes, you know, the jungle's basically a human -made garden. And then of course, I went and talked to like every scientist I knew because I was like, come on. And they're like, look, you know, in the areas around the rivers, there were complex, there was no debating it. There were complex civilizations, sometimes larger than we think. But in those areas, you see a higher prevalence of like, like he said, like they'll plant Brazil, not trees, they'll plant, you know, whatever.

1:35:32I don't think bananas were there at that point, but where there was some gardening happening, but what worried me then was then like Smithsonian came out and put out like an article and they were like, is the Amazon created by humans? And it was like, oh God, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because like, then you're changing it from a designation of like this incredible complex wild ancient ecosystem too. If people don't understand the context of what he's saying, that people engineered it in places. And then the headlines went to the Amazon was made by people. And then you have people like Brazil's president, Jair Bolsonaro, who's no longer in office, but just being like, well, if we made it, we can manage it, right?

1:36:08Let's go take it out. And it was like, I was like, oh God, I was like, I was watching him on your show and I was like, oh be careful, be careful, be careful. Because like the work he does is great. I see what you're saying, but the implications of that narrative. Yeah, and again, 100 % there are, there are, dude, I mean, there's, you find pottery in places, but it's always near the rivers. Like there's evidence of ancient civilizations. You wanna hear the craziest thing? One of my guys found a stone axe head. Now here's the thing, the uncontacted don't have rocks. You won't find a rock on our river, there's clay.

1:36:40There are no rocks. They found a stone axe head in the jungle. At a site from the uncontacted, but what that means is that the uncontacted tribe had a stone axe head that was, that they've been holding on to since like Inka times. And someone forgot it at the camp. And so you're talking about civilization carrying around something from a previous civilization that they don't know where they got it from. It's like incredible. Wow. Because you cannot find a, there are, there are no rocks like that on our river. It was like a smooth gray stone and shaped into like a blunt axe head with, you know, made, you know, where you could attach it to a stick.

1:37:18And they found this on the beach and they'd been using it to like clean turtles. But we don't have those rocks. That's more like an Inka type of thing. So this has been floating around through various people's hands in the jungle for decades, centuries, who knows? And what do they think about where that came from? It's lost technology that they don't understand anymore. So the thing about the lost city of Z was that there was a previous expedition that had encountered these cities and these incredible, yes, beautiful, complex cities and they described how elaborate their clothing was and their culture or their agriculture.

1:38:01And so then when the next expedition went back, there was no one there because they had killed everybody with diseases. This is the theory, right? Yeah, and I mean, Oriano was the first person to like go to send the Amazon, which the thing that always drove me crazy about that was that they came down the Andes, made their way down the entire Amazon and then like looked at the stars, figured out where Spain was, built a whole other ship and sailed home. Like, oh my God. Think about that for a second. They built a whole other ship. You built a whole pirate ship and sailed to Spain based off the stars.

1:38:37Wow. And like now, like you look at us now and it's like, are we smarter than that now? Like how many people can find your way anywhere without like your phone? Really, you know, what smart is, is your ability to use information correctly. Now, what information do you have? Like they had information that we don't have because they needed to be able to navigate using the stars and they didn't have to deal with the kind of night pollution that we have, the light pollution that we have at night is, it's one of the greatest tragedies about modern civilization is that we've blacked out one of the most spectacular things and you could ever see the thing that really centers us and humbles us, which is the view of the stars.

1:39:17Yeah. I went to the kick observatory a few years back. I went last year but it was really good last year but not this one time, the kick observatory is in Hawaii on the big island and you go way, way, way up through the clouds and the view of the cosmos is like you are in a spaceship with a clear glass windshield and you see everything. There's no light pollution on the island because they have diffused lighting for all their street lights, specifically designed so that it doesn't fuck with the telescopes. And so when you're up there, I'll never forget it. The one time that I went, which was at least 15 years ago, maybe 16 years ago, that one time was so spectacular that it changed my view of like Earth in the relationship to the cosmos just by seeing it because you see the Milky Way, you see everything, you see all the stars.

1:40:12It just took my breath away. I couldn't stop staring at it. I was like, this is insane. And then I was thinking, God, this is everywhere. This is what the ancients used to see before we figured out electricity and blunted it all and ruined our relationship with the cosmos visually. Because that's what every city does. When you look up at the night sky, you don't see jack shit in New York City. You see a star. Oh, there's the moon. That's it. What is up there is literally the most spectacular thing that humans could ever witness. And it's there every night if you don't have light pollution and cloud cover.

1:40:51So like, you're saying like it would be like, almost like more stars than black. You see every fleet, man. You see it's incredible. So they're very careful at the observatory. There's no lights that get in the way of anything. So when you get outside of the building and there's just people lined up on the roads and on the hills, they're just staring up at the sky. Because it's perfect. It's insane. It's insane. It's so many stars. It's everything. That's what it looks like. That's literally exactly what it looks like. With your naked eye. With your naked eye, man. It's amazing. But it's this understanding that that's up there all the time.

1:41:30And you can't see it because of light pollution. But see, that to me is so much of what we're doing with nature right now, where it's like we're dulling it down. We live in this incredible reality. And it's like we're dulling it down. Like in the Eastern Cape where I've been working with the guys from VEPA, the elephants have smaller tusks or no tusks because of poaching. And it's like, you're taking this incredible monstrous giant banana. Is that a natural selection thing? Like the one that have smaller tusks are allowed to survive? Because they're targeted. Yeah, targeted for the big tusks. So the big tusks ones are getting killed.

1:42:06So somehow in response to that, they're developing smaller tusks because they're less attractive. To the point that they're even having no tusks. It's like genetically bottled nectar so quickly. Because over the last 100 years, the humans were all going for the big tusks. And now these monster tusks, like the really big ones where they touch the ground, it's only a few of them left. That is so wild. And then mousse, like in Maine, they have smaller antlers. And like we're actually like, we're dulling down the magnificence of the universe. Like when you look at those pictures, you're like, why don't I see that?

1:42:41I picture if we saw that every night. Right. How different would be? How much more connected would be? Oh yeah. It's so humbling. I feel like there's a thing about mountain communities, ocean communities where you're confronted with nature that's on such a scale of beauty and magnificence that you're overwhelmed by it. You're automatically humbled just by your environment and your surroundings. There's the same thing about oceans. You look out to the ocean, it's so humbling. Because it's so immense and there's so much power and energy and life. It's just like, wow, it just puts you in your place.

1:43:17And the sky is supposed to do that too. There's a relationship that we have to the cosmos when you look up that is like, okay, yeah, this is the real mystery of life and existence that we fly through infinity on an organic spaceship every day. And that's what's really going on. It's not stationary. It's literally spiraling through the universe. And that exact sort of wonder is what I feel when I wake up in the jungle and you dip your hands in and you drink the river. And then in the afternoon that you literally watch your sweat come off your forehead. You hold your hand in the sunlight and watch it go into the air and join the mist from the jungle.

1:43:55And then at 4 p .m., you get that thunderstorm and it comes back. And that cycle is moving through you. Wow. And it's like, you are so connected to nature there. You are so apparent that like you can't not be an absolute awe. And like you see this, and again, we're out there. We see the stars at night like that where it's like, you can see the Milky Way. It's a belt across the sky. And there are these animals and these consciousnesses moving. And it's all working together in this giant orchestra of the most complex life that's ever existed. And it's like, you start to, you know, like when you come home, then when you go back to a city, you go, what are, what are, what are, you guys are really missing out, you know?

1:44:37Like you, like you feel so connected and locked in and you sort of like you said, it puts you in your place. It reminds you that we're, how insane this reality is. Yeah. And that we're on this planet that we are so incredibly connected to. And then you start to understand what happens when people get removed from that and how far off perception can go. And because when you're not, what the jungle does is it brings you back to those chemical, physical truths that like removes the cataracts of society from your eyes so that you're confronted with whether or not the river is rising, whether or not, you know, the sun is gonna be, when we're on expedition, it's like, it rains for six hours and we freeze.

1:45:14You can get hypothermia. Then the sun comes out, but the boat keeps moving and it's like, well, now your skin is peeling off. And it doesn't matter what you believe in or who you are, it's like we all have to deal with the same reality. You gotta survive. And that's where I feel good, that's the, the rules of the game are the same, there's no debating it. It's like we all have to deal with the facts that nature is putting forward for us. And it's like the world makes a lot of sense when you're out in the wilderness, the real will. That's what people say that live like a subsistence lifestyle. They say there's something about it that deeply resonates with being a human being.

1:45:49You know, there's a famous vice series that we have referenced on this show a bunch of times. It's called The Vice Guide to Travel and they went to visit this guy, I wanna say his name right. I think it's Heinmo Court and he lives like way, way, way up in Alaska. And he has some sort of, they gave him some sort of permission a long time ago to hold this cabin in this particular area, but he's literally like the last one to be able to do that. Yes. And he lives up there just hunting caribou and fishing and that's all he does. I'm self. And he lives up with his wife in this tiny cabin that, you know, there's no windows and he has a generator and he's up there just eating caribou and hunting and living off the line but he's a very intelligent guy.

1:46:45And when he talks about it's a really fascinating series because this guy, his back one vice used to do like really cool stuff. Back one vice was edgy. Yeah, but they were real. You know, they were really doing cool stuff and this guy fucking flew out there on a little bush plane and hung out with this guy for like a week one. Their camp got attacked by Grizzly. He had to shoot this Grizzly because the Grizzly was coming in to raid the camp and like so it's the middle of the night. He's chasing this guy with a camera and the guy's like firing a shot gun at a Grizzly. But I mean, you have to be a type of genius to live out in that like you have to be such a problem solver.

1:47:18Yes, you know, you're you're you're you have to be able to build your house. You have to be able to do irrigation. You have to be able to I mean, just in the jungle it's like the problems you have to I mean, I'm still such a novice. It's like these guys like they're like can you drive a boat? Like yeah, and they're like no, no, can you drive a boat? Which means can you disassemble the motor and put it back together? Because eventually that's what you're going to have to do. And so it's like if you go take your bush plane and go live out in Alaska, it's like well, how long until you have to call someone for help?

1:47:43Right. We rely on other people so much and that's the beauty of being you get you get so humbled being out in nature because you go my God doing anything is impossible. Even like making fire and goes, oh, I'm going to use a bow drill method and it's like, all right, cool. What are you going to use? And they're like, oh, this piece of paracord and this were a stick and I'm going to carve it and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where'd you get that knife? Where'd you get that paracord? Like start, it's tough. Start from nothing. Start from nothing. Start from nothing. You'll get nowhere. Just try and make rope.

1:48:13It's like mankind's like second invention. It's like it's impossible. Just sit out in nature sometime. Just go sit out in nature and be like, I'm going to make rope, like functional rope, enough that I can carry, you know, something, you know. Do you find a rope from uncontacted tribes that they've left behind? I have a piece. You have a piece? I have a piece. Really? Yeah, I found a piece on it. No, it doesn't look like. It's very, very fine. So they weave it from balsa wood. And so balsa, you can pretty much cut the, you know, with a take your machete and just like cut into the tree and it grows really quick.

1:48:47You can peel the bark off of it and pretty much use that as rope. But if you want to take it a step farther, you can tie that and then like braid it or twist it and it has all these juices in it that like solidify. You can make legitimate rope. I could make 15 feet of rope in like two hours. Really? Yeah. Oh yeah, like it's legitimate rope too. Like you could haul a boat with it. You could use it as bowstring. Oh, totally, 100%. It's strong. Wow. But that you have to know that it's the balsa tree. Yes. When JJ, again, when JJ first taught me this, the first thing I did was march up to a psychropiatry and whack it with my machete and start trying to get the bark off and the psychropia ends like landed on my face and I came back and I was like, what happened?

1:49:29And he was like, idiot. That's obviously not a balsa tree. You know, it took a long time. It took a lot of bites. One of the more interesting stories was when you would run out of water and you found a certain type of bamboo that absorbs water. And so you have to cut the bamboo and drink the water out of the bamboo. Yeah. And that's pretty common. If you see bamboo tilted over on the side, it's gotten heavy and it's come over. Is it have holes in it where it's absorbing the water? Like, how is it getting into the... That's sucking it up. It's sucking up through the ground. Through the ground. And then feeling those canisters.

1:50:05So that's the purpose of those things? I don't know if that's the purpose. It's definitely saving water is a purpose of them. And so what we do is we can, when we're out in the push, it's like you just, you cut off one of those canisters and so you have like a sweet little bamboo cylinder and then you tie it with balsa and throw it over your back and it's like you're carrying a map. It's like you just have this, like a water bottle from the jungle. But there are ways of getting things done. Then what you do is, what JJ will do, we'll go and we'll take, you take a serrated knife. And when you walk barefoot, you get that big callus on the back of your heel.

1:50:37You cut the callus off your heel. Stick it on a hook, catch a few piranha. Cut them up into pieces, catch some more piranha. And then stuff the piranha into the bamboo. Take some leaves, salt. Stuff the leaves in the bamboo and then throw the bamboo canister filled with piranha onto the fire. Really? Oh my God. Oh my God, it's delicious. Really? Oh my God, yes, because the bamboo flavors the piranha. And then if you're with the guys, they know other herbs that they can put on it. But it's like, oh God, it's delicious. Wow. Someone just got a restaurant. Yeah, it started off of someone's foot. A piece of your heel.

1:51:17And the reason for that, the reason for that is that again, it's just like the fire, I do this when I bring students to the Amazon. I go like, okay, let's make fire. Nobody can make fire. You go, okay, now we're going to go fishing. We'll give you hooks and a line. Find bait. A moth is too loose and they're not around in the daytime. And then you're like, okay, well, what do I, there's no bait. Everything either is eaten or was eaten or is hiding or is camouflage, you can't find bait. You know, in the Amazonian soil underneath the tree roots is clay. So you're not going to dig and find worms. And so it's like, it's a whole different game.

1:51:54Like it's this whole different, like, wilderness survival game down there. Wow. You can't just go fishing. You can't just make fire. Like you have to learn how to do these things there first before that'll work. And the slicing a piece of your cows, that's common. That's a normal way to do it. It's a little bit of a flex. Like it's a thing that like jungle guys do. Like I'll do it. Like if there's like a bunch of loggers and like, you know, we're all like sitting there, like I'll do it just to let them know. Cause they'll all be like, oh, gringo. And I'll be like, oh, yeah. Like my callus, who can get more off there?

1:52:24They're healed. You know, everybody pulls out their knives and starts cutting their feet. Oh, that seems like they could go horribly wrong. You do it carefully. There's a way to do it. You shave it off, but like JJ gets these big slugs of callus off and then you can, and it's strong. And so that's great. Cause then like the little fish can't pick it off. You throw it in, you get a fish. And if you can get a decent sized fish, then you stick that on a nice big hook. And by morning you get yourself like a nice big fat catfish. So you work your way up the ecosystem with your heal eventually starting with your heel.

1:53:00And is that, is there another way to do it? Is there other ways that they do it when they fish? Is there like, oh, sure. I mean, you can go up to, again, we're like, I'm talking about like surviving. I mean, you can go up to the edge of the river with your headlamp and curious fish come. You just whack it with a machete. There's that. We also just, you know, I mean, usually we had now, now, whether we're on a scientific expedition or whether we're bringing like tourists into the jungle or whether we're out with the jungler keepers, rangers, whatever we're doing, we have, we have a chef with us.

1:53:27We have a cook with us. We can't always be cooking for ourselves now and doing our work. Right. And so like you just steal some chicken skin, throw that on the hook. But you're basically living off of the land when you're out there. No, to be honest, we living off the land is something that we do when we go out on these like ceremonial hunts or when we go out on expeditions to like really uncharted places. We like, we practice that and the elders in the community, like we lost like the guy who used to do the ayahuasca ceremonies in JJ's community, like we lost him during COVID. But it's like he knew things.

1:54:03He knew methods that the younger generation doesn't know. Like they have, they have TikTok just like everybody else. Like TikTok. Yeah. Dude, I told you, gold miners follow me on Instagram. Like it's like, and that's a security risk for me. Like, but like JJ's father, once apparently killed an electric eel, removed the nerve, again, I don't know anatomically if this makes any sense, but this is how the lore goes, that he killed the electric eel, removed the nerve that generates the electricity, then cut his own arm open, put the nerve in it, and slapped a dead frog on top of it, and then bandage that up.

1:54:41And he said that that would give him strength until the end of his days. And he lived 87 years old alive in the jungle and healthy, and he died one day at a barbecue just like, he just like leaned over on his grandson, smiled and died. Whoa, he was like healthy until he died. He just turned off. Huh. Yeah. So like, they do stuff. They have, I had a, I was doing some stuff with tigers in India, and I picked up a disease called tuliremia, and I had this horrible patch of pus on my elbow, and I went to every doctor, I came home from India, went to doctors in New York, and for two months, I was like, bed, and I had no energy, and they put me on this antibiotics, and that, and this, and that, and these, again, like New York City, infectious disease doctors couldn't heal this thing.

1:55:28I went to the Amazon, JJ takes my arm, looks at it, and goes, oh, so bad, look at these. He goes, come with me, we go into the jungle, he cuts a tree, takes the sap, says, drink some of this, not too much, he was like one drop of this down your throat. I felt like it was gonna close my throat, and then he took the rest of the sap, and he rubs it onto the wound, and this is like a disgusting, pussy thing that had been plaguing me for months. It was better the next day. Really? It's better the next day. He knew which tree to go to. Now, think about how many thousands of years are needed, or at least centuries are needed in order for him to have that knowledge.

1:56:03How many people living out in the jungle have to try how many things to have that medicinal knowledge handed down through the generations, and then to be in the presence of a person that has that type of knowledge, and to have access to it, and to witness it working. And what specifically does that sap work on? Does it work on all kinds of infections and diseases, or just the kind that you have? No, so we actually brought, you know, tested it in a petri dish, and basically there's some of these sap such as murder infections. Like, you can't get this bacteria to live with these sap. So like, people use like neosporin in the jungle.

1:56:39Like, it doesn't work. What we do is we go to the Sangre de Drago tree. Like, that works. As soon as I see like a little something, like a mosquito bite that just doesn't look right, and it's like, taking too much of my attention, just go and put that on it, and immediately gone. One time I like, I slashed myself with a machete. I had this huge wound. I like, you know, I was thinking, oh god, this is going to get so infected, and then JJ was not, I was just drowning in that stuff. You'll be fine. And like, you won't get infections. Wow. There's like a miracle shit down there. And is this widely known?

1:57:08Is this something that the scientific community is aware of? I mean, in botanists? And yes and no. I think, what was it? Captopryl, they made from Bushmaster Venom in the 1990s, and I think it was Pfizer. I don't know who it was. One of those companies made like, you know, a few billion dollars off of it. But what happens is, people will discover a compound in the Amazon and then export it. You know, it'll be like thousands of years of wisdom from ancient cultures handed down. And then someone will give that knowledge out to a corporation, then they'll take it profit off of it. And then that's it.

1:57:40But it's like, we, at this point, one of the things we're trying to do is work with the indigenous communities to try and help them to preserve that knowledge. Because we're also seeing now that as the roads come in, and you have the problems with the fires, and it's changing, you know, at the edge, at the edge, where the jungle is being destroyed, they, the younger people have to decide, do they want to live the way their parents lived? Fishing, hunting hallermunkies, eating hallermunkies. Or do they want to go out into the world and do something else? And it's like, let me start with, like, what else?

1:58:16You know, it's like, it's a very, very complex being at the edge of living in like a tribal subsistence community and then being confronted with like the modern world, and they have like a cell phone. And there's definitely a feeling, you can definitely see a feeling of like being like left out. Like they feel like, oh, we're just sitting here in a river. Whereas like, I feel like people from our world would go, like, God, they have it perfect. They have all the fish they could ever want. You know, have you ever taken someone from there and taken them on a trip to New York City? I mean, I guess they don't have passports.

1:58:47Well, some of my guys, some of the guys on my team, like, that run jungle keepers are like super native, but also kind of worldly. Like, one of my guys, this guy Roy, he's a conservation chef and he's like almost famous. He's been to Italy, he's been to Virginia, he like, but he runs jungle keepers. JJ, I mean, speaks perfect English and like does interviews with me on like ABC news and like, so like these guys have Roy came to New York City. Dude, the craziest one is this guy. There's a story about an anthropologist. I think, I think it was Kenneth Good, I can't remember what his name was, but he went to the Yanomami, married one of them, brought them to the US.

1:59:23She couldn't handle it because she was like, I wanna go back to the jungle, but they had had kids together and I heard this legend like when I was a kid and then that she had gone back to the jungle but that this anthropologist had had like Yanomami children that he raised on his own in the US. And then last year I was at a dinner party and I met David Good, who is that guy, he's the kid. And so now he's going back to his people in the Yanomami villages. Yeah, he went to go back, he had to go find his mother and the first time he saw her, she was naked. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was sitting at like a dinner party and he was like, yeah, this was a, this was the mother and abandoned him to go back to the jungle.

1:59:58He's raised by his father. The anthropologist. And then how old was he when he went back to see his mother? I think he was in his 20s. And he had to go on an expedition of her river into the jungle seeing her. How old was he? I think when he was a little kid. I don't think she lasted long. I don't think she liked our way of life. She wanted to go back. Yeah. And so now he's doing his PhDs, he's awesome. Like he could sit here with us and like he's doing his PhD on the Yanomami microbiota. I think that's his mother. And he's studying their gut fauna. Because their rates of cancer, their rates of disease, their rates of depression, of course, are like nothing compared to ours.

2:00:36And so he's launching this massive study right now to do to find out why are they so healthy and why are we so fucked up?

2:00:44I thought it'd be easier to find out why we're so fucked up. But yeah, he's got a crazy, crazy story. The way they have an understanding of their environment and the plants and what to eat and what not to eat is just I would imagine talking. If you could speak their language and like be immersed with them for a long time, you get an understanding of what they know. It must be amazing. Well, the great thing is that he can. That's what makes him so interesting. He's doing it and he's working on it. But think about how much we're losing in terms of like what you said, the connection to the stars and then the realization on a daily basis that we're part of like this massive march of life and that we're connected to these systems and the rivers and the rain.

2:01:32And like it sounds like so cliche to almost say it, but it's like when you're down there and you remember these like original truths. And then you go like there's such a dissonance between like when you wake up, there are certain things you have to do. Like when I wake up in the jungle, you have to go check the boat because the river might have eaten it. And like you have to go work on your water system. You have to go on the trails and clear them. Like it's like there's things that nature demands. Farmers know this. You have to wake up and build the cows. Like I feel like what's happening. So many people is just like, you wake up and you're like, what do I do now?

2:02:08You know, it's like you get so disconnected from the systems that we're a part of. It's like it's it's amputating us of the thing that connects us to whatever is running this machine. Like the gears that work the game. Like and that's what that these people still remember. They're still connected to that reality. And then none of these people are going, are we living in a simulation? They're like, no, they like they know what reality is because they're living in it every day. And so I think that preserving these last wild places, while they're still here, like I truly believe that we're at the most crucial moment in history, not because of nuclear war or anything like that, but because never before has there been a global threat.

2:02:51Right now we're like, we're on the cusp of we're going through this extinction crisis and you can talk about climate change, but like our rivers and our ecosystems are being tested to the point where like our oceans are collapsing. Our rainforests are vanishing. We're losing species faster than we can even count. And we have all the knowledge and technology and ability to stop it. We've seen that humpback whales, they went down from like 120, they were up at around 120 ,000 prevailing and they went down to like 5 ,000. And then we banned whaling and now they're back up to like 115 ,000 humpback whales globally.

2:03:25Like they're back, bald eagles, they're back. If you just stop annihilating these animals and murdering their habitats, they will continue to make the ecosystems that have been our home on this planet for millions of years. Like they literally have made our lives possible. And so like to me, there is nothing more important. And I think that when I was a little kid, I actually think I had some semblance of an idea that my mission was I'm here to protect rainforest. That's what I'm here to do. And that's why I had to get there quickly before it was too late. And I had the incredible look of meeting a teacher who could unlock that world for me.

2:04:06And now we have the chance, the historical chance you talk about those sharks. There are trees on the river that were there before the Spanish touch South America. So the world wars, everything that we know, our grandparents, all of this, that tree was a sapling standing there in the Amazon rainforest while pretty much everything that we're familiar with took place in history. And we have a chance to protect the incredible complex ecosystem of thousands of species that are living on this tree. That can never be replaced. You're talking about a millennium tree with leaf cutter ants and reptiles, amphibians, birds, mammals, mosses, lichens, cactus, everything living on this skyscraper of life.

2:04:47And we can cut it down for nothing and grow some papayas, or we can protect it. And we have the chance to protect it. And no one else is gonna have that chance. And as a global society, it's like, we can protect black rhinos before they go extinct. This incredible ancient monstrous megafauna animal that we have the privilege of experiencing. There's no reason for this to happen that people falsely believe that their horns are medicinal and they're not. And so it's like, I think we are at the most exciting time with the most exciting opportunity because the natural world, we could get through this and people will look back on our time and just go over there, what were they thinking?

2:05:24You know, like the way, like when the industrial revolution came around and they put all the kids in the factories and they were getting crushed in the gears and choked out by smoke and it was like, we just made regulations and fixed it. It's like, we don't need to be killing life on earth. We can exist here and it is awesome. We can fly and we can take photos and we can have all this amazing technology. We can leave our planet now soon. All of this is possible, but we have to remember the basic truth that we are inextricably tied. To our ecosystems. And there's no getting around that. And so we have to protect them.

2:06:00And so that's the mission that we're on. And so incredibly, the local people of the Amazon and everybody at Jungle Keepers and so like, somehow that mission formed. And then you became a part of that march when you retweeted that and helped us find Dax who helped us protect it. And now we're like moving towards creating this giant protected area. Well, this podcast I'm sure will energize that even further. So what can anybody do if they're hearing this? And they're, I mean, obviously this resonates with everyone. This is your story is so incredible and just this calling that you have to that and the fact that it really has happened and you've become a part of protecting it.

2:06:45What can anybody do that's listening to this? JungleKeepers .com, we have monthly donors, we do trips to the Amazon, we have ways to get involved with the local people that are now protecting their rainforest. It's, this is totally an indigenous led effort. And it's, you know, I don't know how these other organizations work. What I do know is that, you know, when I went down there and JJ was like, we have to protect this. We started Jungle Keepers as a way to just take guys that were loggers and give them a different job. Give them a better life. It's like everyone's winning. We're saving the ecosystem.

2:07:17We're giving these people better life. When people support Jungle Keepers, like we have like monthly donors and people, they come and visit us in the field. Some people don't, some people give us money and they're like, look, I don't, I don't, I don't want to go anywhere near the jungle, but I'm glad it exists. Now we're trying to take people up into the canopy and even that, we're providing people with jobs as chefs and boat drivers and guides and taking a small, sustainable amount of people into a really beautiful place. Instead of ruining it with trails and people in garbage, it's like we're just gonna do it right and keep it pristine and keep it wild.

2:07:50So we're doing everything we can. We're studying this place. We're working in every way possible to save and the millions and millions and millions of heartbeats that are in every square acre of this rainforest. It's just like, it's that feeling. I get that feeling every time where it's, like you said with the stars where you look out there and you just go, this is so incredible that you feel like you've just been energized by some other force. You feel completely connected to everything and it's, you're tapping into the mains. You're connecting to like the thing that vibrates it all. It's a strange thing when you're in nature, like I've never been to the Amazon, but in nature, it's just in general.

2:08:27There's a feeling that you get almost like you're on a substance. Like you're on, you're connected to a vibe that doesn't exist in the urban world in the concrete jungle that we live in. It doesn't exist. So when you go there, it's also, they're like, oh, this thing, this thing that I feel. It's like you're tuned into it. It's connected to you. And we're not connected when we're in cities. It's like this weird bluntness and dullness to it all. Yeah. I think it's just, it's throwing a fish back into water. I think that we belong out there. I think that we've amputated ourselves from that and so when we go back out into wild places, we're like, yes.

2:09:06Yeah, despite our evolution and the technological innovation, we're still biologically that same creature that co -exists with nature. Not, it's, it's, it's just removed from the experience for the most part for me. Yeah, which frustrates me. I like, I got it, I got shell shocked, man. I've been jumping in a river for showers for the last few months and it's like, let's take a shower in a cold, tiled room the other day. Like I was like, it's like a normal shower. I was shocked by it. I was like, where's, where are the stars like? Wow. What a weird, how do you feel? How long are you gonna do this for?

2:09:39Do you have like a grand plan? Is this just your life now? Well, no, you can't keep doing this. So like, yeah, that's what I was thinking. That, first of all, when you start something like this, like there's no, there's no plan. Like you just start and actually, you know, I've heard, actually, I always, I always thought of this thing and then I actually heard a clip of you saying it, but it's like, you know, if you're gonna go after something, it's like pretend it's a, what would the character in the movie be doing? Yeah, you know, like if you're going after something and it's like in terms of being productive, in terms of just continuing to chase the thing and it's like when you start something, like trying to stop the global march of destruction of wildlife, it's like you are going to fail.

2:10:22The fact that we in this tiny little place are notching a win like that is incredible, but it takes an extreme toll having so much uncertainty that I'm gonna leave here and fly back down there and go running into the Amazon fires and just broadcast that to everybody because that's what gets people. So that's what gets people to understand what we're losing because you have to show them the beauty and then show it being destroyed and be like, we can stop this. And so like my plan is I wanna in the next year protect the rest of this river. Now, how much do you have to worry about your own personal safety now because what you're talking about with the gold miners and this, they know who you are and people know who you are now.

2:11:00And the more you get this message out, the more you're gonna become a problem for them. The gold miners, yes. But I just stay away from the gold mining because I'll get waxed pretty quick over there. The loggers on the other hand, I just make friends, man. These guys, last year there was a rainy night and we were all hanging out at the research station and some loggers showed up and they came in and we were like, hey, and we had power, we let them charge their phones, we gave them some hot coffee and stuff and it was like, we made friends with them, we had some drinks with them. Now a few of them were working for me.

2:11:34And it's like, dude, we just keep making friends. And they protect us. There's an understanding like, they're just doing what they have to do. They're just doing what they have to do to survive. The loggers, like the guys on the ground, they're not bad guys. Again, a lot of them are really good friends. They're just working. Yeah, they're just working. They're coming from other parts of Peru, a lot of them have families and then maybe their father was a logger or maybe their friends was a logger and so they go out and there's not a lot of stuff you can do out in the Amazon. Either a fisherman or a logger or something but if you're living that half life where you have to make your living off the jungle but then go by a house in town.

2:12:08It's like, well, that's a hard thing to, you know, and then it's like, or you could just sell it all and go get an office job or something. But it's like, there's not a lot of great options for that. So like they are in a tough position. Mm. And so whether it's, whether it's in the, and that's the other thing that I'm in grand plan trying to look for, it's like a way of, first of all, getting conservationists paid because I know people all over the incredible conservationists all over the world who are doing this work, protecting species and no one's paying them to do it. They're just out there doing the work.

2:12:39And then allowing local people to find a way of like, being supported in that transition so that you don't have to be, you know, taking somebody that used to be a rhino poacher and making them a ranger. You know how the rhino poaching works? Let's, let's go catch rhino poachers. How fast can we turn people around to that? And then make protected areas that aren't beautiful enough that we can bring people and then have them have jobs. And it's like, there is a solution to this. And so finding that solution and exporting it. So if we save this river, if we're successful in saving this river, the true change then will come in sort of applying that to somewhere else.

2:13:17Well, then maybe there's a river in the Congo where that's gonna happen. We're gonna lose all the beautiful pristine medicines and wildlife that's there and the herds of elephants. Well, we can figure out how do we do it here? Let's do it there. It's like this can catch fire. And it's like people more and more and more through this storytelling, through social media, through all this stuff. It's like we're getting more and more support because people want to help. Nobody, I don't think if you asked anybody if you said like, what do you think about polar bears? I don't think anybody be able to, you know, be like, I hate polar bears.

2:13:45I want them to go extinct. I don't think anybody's on, you know, not too many people are gonna say that. And say, look, we can save the ecosystems and all the beautiful things. I mean, it's not that difficult. All we're doing is asking people to not cut down trees. And the exciting thing is that now we're actually having success with that. And it's because people are helping us get the message out. It's because people are like sharing it and taking action. That's why I asked you about Slash because he's been, he actually reached out to Jungle Keepers and he was like, dude, I want to protect the ring.

2:14:13Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I got to see him play. I was actually on this stage. It was insane. I sat on the stage with my family and watched in Greece and Athens. Three hours show. Insane. So it's hot out. They're literally, Slash was dripping sweat. Like you're watching him play and sweat is flying off of his body and falling onto the ground. I mean, it's hot, it's fuck out there. It's an outdoor show. Three hours, 60 years old. Going hard. I was really loved to see that. It was incredible. I would love to see. He loves snakes. He loves snakes. I'm sure. Huge, huge lover of animals in general.

2:14:50The whole thing was insane. I just randomly ran into Axel Rose at a restaurant. Did he just like pointed? No, no. I was with my friend, Brian Marorescu, who wrote the book, The Immortality Key. And it just happened to align perfectly where he was going to be in Greece when I was in Greece. The Immortality Key is a book about the Illicinian mysteries and about how in ancient Greece they had these ceremonies that they would do where they were taking psychedelics. And it's been proven now because of the wine vessels. They did a study of the wine vessels and they show that they have Urgot inside of them.

2:15:29And Urgot is a fungus that creates an LSD -like effect. And so they know that they were mixing their wine with these potent psychedelics and having these ceremonies. These intense, sort of well -guarded and secretive ceremonies. And he wrote this amazing book on it. Now it started a field of study at Harvard. It's incredible. And there's been a lot of scholarship on it. And for the longest time, it was dismissed. In the 1970s, this guy wrote about it. And he basically wrote him off as an intellectual, like this preposterous. But now there's physical proof. And people are much more open to the idea of the ancients using psychedelics.

2:16:10So I just, by sheer luck, was in the same place with him at the same time. And he took me and my family on a tour with these ruins. It was incredible. So we're having dinner and it's getting late. Like in Greece, they stay up late, man. They're eating late at night and drinking. And we're staying at this place that is a view of the Acropolis. It's insane. And my friend Brian comes back from the bathroom. He's like, hey, Axel Rose is here. And I'm like, that's crazy. And we had to walk by him because the way to leave, you're walking by his booth. And so I was like, do I say hi? I guess I have to say hi.

2:16:43Like I hope he knows who I am. And then I said hi. And not only know who I am, he knew some of my bits. He was asking me about comedy. And he asked me, do you want to come to see the show? I'm like, fuck yeah. So he invited us to the show. It was insane. That's incredible. It was so cool. And my youngest daughter is a huge Guns and Roses fan. So she freaked out. Oh, that's awesome. And my youngest daughter is an incredible taste of music. She loves Nirvana and all this weird stuff. She listens to the kiss. That's during the kiss. This is incredible. She's fucking 13. There's something so comforting about that.

2:17:12Oh, like a kid is like, I like the music. She's got super eclectic, interesting taste in music. And she's always listening to new music. That's one of the cool things about things like Spotify is like you get suggested. Other songs, you listen to a bad company song and all of a sudden they're suggesting a pink Floyd song. And then you're listening to all this stuff that was a 13 year old with modern playlists. You probably wouldn't be really introduced to. And then they know what songs you like. They continue giving you. Oh, it sounds like that. I'll find a song I love, and then I'll do go to radio.

2:17:48I'll find a song I love, and then I'll do go to radio. And then I'll start doing shit. I keep hearting songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've discovered so much new music. So many new artists. It's actually cool. Yeah, that's really cool. That's a really cool aspect of today. But so anyway, the show was incredible. And I didn't get to meet slash. I only got to meet Axel. But I met one of the other band numbers too. Okay. It was pretty dope. Yeah. Well, I'm going to take slash to the jungle. And I want to hear it. Wow. Yeah, he looks like he belongs there. So sweaty. And he saw him in Greece, man. Yeah.

2:18:16Coverage sweat. Holy shit. He's talented. I want to see what he's saying. He's incredible. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of the best. Oh, he's one of the best ever. Like, the band is so good. It's like you forget how many hits they have. Yeah. And then it's like three hours. And you're like, oh, yes. Patience. Yeah. Oh, my God. You know, paradise. Oh, shit. It was, it was an amazing show. It was an amazing show. I've been a fan of them since like the fucking 80s. I used to lift weights to them and revere Massachusetts. 1988. You know? And so here I am. I mean, those are rock gods, man. Yeah.

2:18:50I mean, what? You got the stones. Them. I saw them recently too. I saw the stones about a year and a half ago here at the circuit of the Americas. They had this giant outdoor show. Yeah. Amazing. You can't believe they're really there. Yeah. It's like what I'm watching on stage. I was like, is that really Mick Jagger? He's right there. Because it sounds like it's like a historical thing. Yeah. It's like wringles still out there somewhere. Well, no, that's like a few years ago. They were like Chuck Berry died. And I was like, Chuck Berry was alive. Right, right, right. I had no idea. Yeah. I remember that.

2:19:21I was like, wow. I thought Chuck Berry was. Those guys are still doing it. They're still doing it. Yeah. When I was a kid, like, there was no old rock stars. Like rock stars. It was such a recent. And so many of them died young. You know, Hendrix and you know, Morrison and Janice Joplin. So many of them died young. It was like a normal thing that they were just going to die young. Look at him. Lashes Instagram page. It's Mick Jagger's birthday today. Oh my god. Wow. Holders. There we go. Happy birthday, Mick Jagger. He's as old as Biden. Wow. That's insane. He's like doing backflips on stage. Yeah.

2:19:56Doing three hour shows. And he carries, he has two trailers filled with gym equipment. He works out every day. Really? Mick Jagger works out every day. He's famous for it. Like he's got this rigorous routine that he does. Every day. He does yoga. He does weights. He does all these different exercises. He's like incredibly fit. Oh, so yeah. I mean, because you're always talking about how rigorously you have to work out. You've got to get that out of you. Yeah. And I always feel like that. If I'm not out in the field, I have to... There's something I have to leave on the mat. I have to go sweat it out.

2:20:30Yeah. He says that. And then what's the guy's name? Dick Van Dyke. Right? The guy from Mary Poppins. When he was really old. I think he was on like Letterman or Leno or something. And they were like, you should write a book. You're so like... You're so old, but you're so like... It fit and everything else. He goes, yeah, he goes, I could write a book. He goes, but it would be one line. Keep moving. You should just keep moving. Yeah. Don't get sedentary. Yeah, don't get sedentary. He's still alive, too. Dick Van Dyke. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. He's still out there smiling. He's got a young wife, too.

2:20:59Woo! Let's go, Dick. He's working out or something. Yeah. Damn. Oh. Look at him. No. Yeah, he's that wild old man. I'm having that experience where I wish you didn't show me that. Oh, yeah. I had a different image of what he was going to look like. Yeah. And he got old. Yeah. That's what happens. Even if you keep moving. A certain point of time. Time gets to it. I mean, he's amazing, yeah. Yeah. But you do have to do something. Your body requires it. And if you don't, it will deteriorate on people. I think some people don't. Some people seem to be happy to just coast from thing to thing. And you ever like meet somebody that just doesn't work out?

2:21:39Oh, a lot of people. A lot of comments. A lot of comments. That fox. They don't do shit. Just look at some people. I'm like, you're happy. You're just going to go to sleep and you're going to wake up. And there's no like you don't just like charge into battle. Like put some, you know. Yeah. I just think it takes all different types of folks to make this world go. Oh, sure. And there's a lot of people that just operate on completely different energy, completely different needs, completely different interests. No, I mean, if I don't get that, I feel like, you know, that's what me and a golden retriever have in common.

2:22:10Yeah. If you don't get that energy out, if you don't just... Yeah, he has to work out. Right? Isn't it crazy if you don't work him out? Yeah. He loves to chase the ball and then he's cool. We go swimming and then he's cool. He just needs, you know, he's an animal. He needs stuff. Yeah. He needs activities. I respect. I love like, I love like a dog. You wake him up. You go, you want to jump in a freezing cold river? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's like, what? Like, yeah, it's snowing outside at three in the morning. You're like, yes, and they go outside and they roll in it. And it's like, sometimes I try to be that.

2:22:40Like, you know, especially... So joyful and so impervious to like, I'll be warm later. You know, I'll be comfortable later. I'll be less wet later. Like, you know, they just charge into everything. And it's so... You never see a wolf be like, I don't want to. Right. Like, they're just like, yeah, I'm going to do it. Well, the connection that dogs have with people is so bizarre because it's so manufactured. It's so strange that like, that dog Marshall was in his ancestry was a wolf. Yeah. Like, what did we do? What did we do? We made him so pretty and fluffy. And took a wolf and turned it into like the least intimidating, most loving, no worries about it turning on you or anything.

2:23:21No. No challenges to you. It's just all love. I mean, I've had... I've been out and I've been camping with my goldens and like, they get scared and come to me. Yeah. You know, we've turned them into... During a Fourth of July. Oh. He was freaked out. Yeah. Like, we were in the house and it wasn't even loud in our house. But, you know, Texas doesn't fuck around with fireworks. They shoot off real fireworks in people's backyards. Yeah. So, we were there and you hear, boom, boom, boom. It's not even that loud, but in the distance. For him, he's like, woo! It's like, what's up? Woo! They're coming.

2:23:53So, we're watching TV in the couch. He's hopping on me and he's hopping on my wife. He's hopping on my kids. He's going back and forth like, woo! Almost like he's letting us know. Someone's shooting out there. You know, it's like some part of him was like completely freaked out by it. No, it's adorable. I love how, um... Just homeless they are. It's just wonderful to have such a... You know, I've had shepherds. I've had other... Been around other dogs. Been around wolf dogs. And they're impressive and they have other qualities. But there is something so wonderful to that just pure love. Yeah. They're just a pet.

2:24:25Yeah. It's not just a pet. Yeah, they're just a loving member of your family. Yeah. They're murderous to squirrels. Murderous to squirrels. And I severely believe that if somebody broke into my house... All I have to do is pat him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they're not really going to know. I don't think they're tuned into danger. No. Like, shepherds. No. Or pips. I mean, these are, you know, our family dogs. They've never experienced danger. Right. You know, you can go like this and they're like, what? What's going on? Yeah, what's going on? Are you waving? Right. Right. They don't care.

2:24:56Yeah. I know. It's just, it's an amazing thing, but it's also weird. It's so, it's like, what a beautiful creation. Yeah. But also so strange that we have subverted nature in some bizarre way that's turned this predator, this hunting -packed predator into this family creature that's like literally one of the family. Like, Marshall's, he's one of my children. Yeah. You know, it's the only time, the only time that gets too much for me is when you get down to like the, those little bulldogs that can't breathe. Oh, God. Like, where I feel like that's abusive breathing. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird.

2:25:29Like, why'd you want that thing like that? They're really cute. You ever see that meme where they're like, pug owners. Isn't he so cute? And then they're like the pug. And it's like a picture of Steve Buschemi and that Adam Sandler with his eyeballs going different ways. Yeah. They're, they're fucking... Chihuahua's too. Some of them are fucking tongue hanging out. Their eyes are sideways. Yeah. Like, why'd you do that? Yeah. What is that? It's a weird breed. It is so, it's so weird. But, but at the same time, it's, it's very, I think it's great that we, that we can have this, this incredibly loyal.

2:25:59Like, I was just reading something that chimps don't take IQs from humans. Like, dogs, you know, you know, you look at your dog, you just look at the leash. Right. You look at the door and the dogs are really... Yeah. They are so locked into. Yeah. And like, no other animal does that. Right. And like, I've seen an elephant identify a pregnant person. I saw an elephant walk up to a woman and touch her on the stomach and then like, call the other elephants and be like, yo, this one's pregnant and they all started. They knew shit that we don't know. She was like, this is cool. She has a baby and they were like, more careful.

2:26:30The elephant thing is so bizarre because they recognize each other after decades of being apart. They're so smart that I think when I look at an elephant, I see a non -human being. I don't look at it like there's animals and there's cockroaches and there's dogs and there's rhinos and cows and all that shit that's fine. When I look at an elephant, I look at it and I'm like, yo, they treat you like an animal, but they shouldn't. I've seen them do things that are so intelligent. I've seen them be so compassionate that I think that we are just not smart enough to understand how smart that they are.

2:27:07And just because they're not changing their environment and typing things and we just have a distorted idea of intelligence. I think that, yeah, well, like you said, your intelligence is the ability to interact with your environment and survive in it. And it's like they've gardened all of the habitat that they exist in. Like when you watch an elephant twisting branches and creating that environment and they're going and grazing around on everything and moving that forest and there's mushrooms growing out of there. The piles of shit that they leave and it's just like, there's so much elephant dung and there's so much complex structure and the thing is as a human, usually what we do is we watch, either we watch elephants in the zoo, where you're looking at basically like a mentally deranged elephant that's been kept in a box its whole life or you're in like a game drive vehicle and you drive up to elephants in the field and they're like, ah shit humans and then they like walk off.

2:28:01Very rarely do we get to see human elephants alone in nature problem solving. And so like then you'll get these articles where scientists will be like, we gave elephants like a key and a lock and so many of them couldn't figure it out. It's like, well, that's, you're giving elephants a human problem to solve. You're not giving them an elephant problem to solve. One time I was, I was with a, I had a jeep and it had a whole thing of bananas in it. And I was working with this elephant, he was a, he was abandoned. He had been mugging banana guys. There's a road that went through the jungle and this elephant was going out and he would stop them.

2:28:37He would stop the truck and then the other elephants would come and they would mug the banana guys. So by the time he got to where he was going, he wouldn't have any bananas. So the Indian Forest Department had to show up and they like shackled this poor elephant. His name was Dharma and they like threw him an elephant jail. I have a picture of elephant jail on there. But he, one day he caught me with bananas and he came up to the jeep and he was like, go bananas. And of course I'm looking up at him. I'm like, hey, do I'm a good boy, good boy, like push me to the side, he was like, you don't call me good boy, that's elephant jail.

2:29:08But yeah, he took the jeep and he shouldered it, put it up on two wheels. He made dead SI contacts with me and he was like, you're going to give me the bananas or not. And I was like, we'll just put the jeep, just put, you know, I was in this, I suddenly I was in an argument that I couldn't win with an elephant. I was like, please put the, put the car down. You put the car down. And then I was like, come on, come over this way. Put it up. Eventually I had to give him the bananas or he was, he, and he was threatening me. He pushed it up just enough and stopped and looked at me. Wow. He was like, you want me to do this?

2:29:40Because it seems like you like it when it's this side up. I don't know. And I was like, it was, it was actually terrifying in that moment because I was like, I can't overpower you. I can't like threaten you with, there's, there's no way for me as a smart human to win this argument. And he just looked at me. And then he got his bananas. And then the next day when he did it, my friend Neethie had a hack for it. She was the one who was really in charge of this, but she would go and take a cup of water and throw it at his face. He would slap him and, you know, he'd be like, I hate that. And then he'd like get upset and walk away.

2:30:12But they really, it's surprising, like Jane Goodall changed humanity and being like, you know, she discovered that animals use tools. And it's like, you watch elephants use tools all day long, you know? Like I've seen an elephant like rip off a stick and like, use that to scratch. I'm like, oh, that's a good spot. Yeah. They're just, they're just, they're just brilliant. They're just brilliant. Have you seen those videos of elephants painting? I'm skeptical already, but no, what are they painting? Never seen it. No. They taught an elephant to paint an elephant. And the elephant's literally painting a trunk and painting, yeah, it's impressive.

2:30:46I don't doubt it. I just wonder what the, I guess, like everything else, didn't they send this one? They sent us a painting that one of the elephants had made, a painting of an elephant by an elephant. They make things like they, I don't know how they're teaching them how to make these shapes. I don't know if the elephant recognizes that it's making the image of an elephant or if they've taught them to make specific shapes. I don't know what they do, but this, here we'll show you a video. Okay. But these elephants take a paintbrush. They put it in their trunk and they dip the paint and start working on canvas.

2:31:19I mean, I don't doubt it. And I honestly, I wouldn't put much past an elephant. And I mean, they, they, you know. So here's this elephant, I'm going to give this elephant, and this is all real video. I thought, like, this, this is pre -AI shit too. So this elephant, he puts the paintbrush in the elephant's trunk and the elephant walks up to the pallet, to the canvas and starts painting. Starts painting this girlfriend. Look at this.

2:31:52Also, look at how dexterous that trunk is. Look at the control that he has. And see, it's looking, like, it's, it's creating something that mimics what, what it is. And so this guy has to dip the paint for it, it gives it back to the elephant. Wonder why the, what do I, he dips the paint for? Wow, look at that. You can already see it's going to be an elephant. So the paint, I don't think the elephant totally understands it needs it. I don't paint, you know, it knows when it gives it the brush, the paint's on it. That's what makes me think. Look at this, man. Oh, look at that. He even has the mouth.

2:32:25Yeah. Look at this. That's a better elephant than most people could draw. Yeah, better than, like, most kids for sure. Like, look at this. It's really incredible. But it's, somehow or another, it's, it's not being guided. So it, it knows how to do this. It just, my, my gut says that there's something gimmicky about this. I don't know. Yeah, like, I mean, you could train, you can train a lot of behaviors, right? But still, I was, it's training it to make these shapes, which is so specific. It's very, it's literally drawing itself. I would like an explanation, like, like, because it's really good.

2:33:01Like, look at that. It's a good elephant. It does the legs. The legs are proportionate. The elephant's good. The trunk is up. It's like, oh, my god. Yeah. No, but I wasn't, did you, did you cut that Jamie or just guys, I'm skipping ahead of you. Oh, okay, okay. I was going to be, I was going to be like, I call bullshit because I, yeah, don't skip ahead. Just let it play out. Yeah. Let's, let's just take a look at how it, it's doing this. So now it's doing flowers. So I read that it's, it's, they're trained to do this. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Of course, they're trained. But like, what is this thing seeing?

2:33:31Does it know that, I mean, you have to train a child to paint too. Wait, but you know, they, they use medicine. Like, they've, they've documented elephants eating plants that induce labor that African tribes use. And then they, they found the elephant doing it. There's published papers on this. Why? Elephants use medicine. What? Yeah. What kind of plants that they find induce labor? I wish I remembered the name of it. I was just, I was just looking this up because somebody told me and I didn't believe him. But there's, there's a plant that, that helps induce labor in some African tribes that they chew when mothers are like right on the cusp of giving birth.

2:34:03And this one researcher found elephants eating a ton of this stuff and then having babies. And then went back and studied it again and again. Wow. Elephants might be able to self -medicate to induce labor. Wow. Like, this world is wild.

2:34:21God, that's so interesting. What do you, so that they know that the elephants have been trained, right? But yeah, that's what I was going to get into. So trained to make that specific image, but still try to get a dog to do that. It's not going to be able to do that. How smart is that damn thing? I mean, that's the thing. I think, I think that's what I'm struggling to get out here is that you can train a dog to do very complex tasks like a sheep dog or like that guy who has like 400 different things and he goes, you know, get the ball, get the sponge, get the thing. But like, that to me is still a gimmick.

2:34:55Whereas like, the fact that they have culture, the fact that elephants have taught other elephants that you can chew on this when you need to have a baby, they have shit that we're not realizing. Like, we just look at them, we're like, oh, they're giant, grassy eating octopus face things like with butterfly ears. Like, oh, why not? Right. But it's like, if we spend that time where the fact that they do the, the low vibration communication where they can communicate through the earth where they rumble and they can send like, you know, there's water over here coming. Like, we can't hear what are they doing when they're doing that?

2:35:25They're pounding on the ground like how are they? No, they're rumbling and they're sending through those. So they're an elephant skeletal structure like it's like the, the foot is up. And so the whole bottom of their foot, I once had an elephant step on my foot and it's, it doesn't hurt as much as you think because it's very soft under there. And so they can actually like rumble and transmit information. So they shake their body? No, they're, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's inside of them. And it transmits it through the ground. Yeah. And like vast distances too, miles and miles. Wow. Yes. Oh my god, yes.

2:35:58No, this is, this is, elephants can communicate in a way that we can't hear using the earth.

2:36:07Is that the sound of it? So it says, it says, it's obviously some other if you can hear that low frequency rumble, that's very low. Wow. It's like a whale. They're like avatar creatures, right? Yeah, the other one. Look, look at that. Yeah. Crazy.

2:36:28Wow. That's amazing. And they're talking This is great. We should we should we should we should always have this soundtrack on I love this Yeah, I should go to bed to this. This is like a warm blanket. This is wonderful Yeah, you know people like sleep with the static sound sleep to this Like dreams you would have Don't lose this link. I'm gonna listen to that's that's amazing That's great. I do not know they did that. Yeah, but like the fact that they're transmitting like I don't I don't know I actually don't know how complex it gets, but like that they can be like hey, you know, there's water over here guys You know or that there's simple communications like I know vervit monkeys have different calls for Aerial predator versus lion versus whatever.

2:37:15So they actually have a good type of You know Dialogue they can talk to a degree. I've heard that monkeys even trick each other like when what some monkeys are going after fruit Yeah, a monkey will make the sound of like an eagle and they'll take off and then they'll run steal the fruit Why not why not why not deception Deception in the monkey community. Yeah, it's wild man that that sound that wasn't Wonderful. That was really awesome. At this monkey video cute up You wanted to show a long time ago. Oh, yeah, hell yeah I just we were talking about the things we eat in the jungle and I was talking about the bamboo and the things and the other things And I just I wanted to show you this is wonderful.

2:37:52Let me just set this up for you This is one of my friends who used to be a logger This is one of the guys It's like been at war with the uncontacted tribes. This is his daughter and she's six This was the other day and I found her sitting there and I said what is your favorite food? And she went this and then I just watched her rip into this thing and just her favorite food is monkey. Yeah Yeah, in the beginning of the video, I'm like, what's your favorite food? And she's like monkey. Oh my god There's something so bizarre About watching a child eat a monkey head that's I mean she's like really getting into that shit She's like in the tendons and the brain.

2:38:31Oh boy Did you try monkey? Yeah, no, I helped her with that one because she couldn't What is monkey tastes like I mean that not very good because they just they don't they just like throw it on the fire But if it's prepared okay, and again, you know, I always get like a barot I get that thing where people it's like I devoted my life to protecting the rainforest and then people like how could you pick up that snake? You were torturing it and it's like you got to deal with those people and it's like Yeah, we eat monkeys guys like in the jungle like when you're hanging out with local people to eat monkeys And if you're at their house you eat a monkey too how often do the monkeys all the time?

2:39:10all the time

2:39:14But no somebody handed me a plate not that long ago. We got to this community We actually went with jungle keepers. We were like we get to this community this community and they come out with macauffethers and robes on and shit They they give us this bowl and they're like welcome eat and the bowl We looked at it. We were all like side eye each other and we're like oh shit And it had a monkey hand had a piece of a taper it had a piranha and it had the foot of a yellow footed tortoise Which looks like Bowser's foot from Super Mario like it was this big scaly, gnarly thing with rice And they're like welcome and then like Yeah, you can't be like oh you have to be like thank you And you like eating this bowl.

2:39:58It's like new at the zoo It's like guys I really wanted to protect the animals. What is the foot taste like the foot was the best thing in the bowl Really? Yeah, because the monkey hand was like sinewy and disgusting and Taper I feel too bad eating it. I don't want to eat it. That's that's it So I was actually able to use the foot like those those big scales like this claws at the end So you could actually kind of use it as like this giant spoon for the rice And so we're all just like sitting there in this really really remote community worrying about getting shot and Just like playing with all the different animals in our bowl and like And you have to eat it all right.

2:40:35I mean you got to eat it all otherwise you look like a you look like a stupid gringo If you don't right, you know because all the local guys like dude give me your foot give me your foot Can I have the hand and they're like do you want the balls and they're like somebody give me taper balls And like everyone's fighting over everything and so like if you're like no, thank you It's like well, you're just not you know, I want them. I my reputation down there I'm like I want to be seen yeah in with them respecting their way of life their local customs. How many monkeys you think you meet? I'll tell you when we're off I've probably a handful of times had monkey the the sickest I've ever been was for monkey as well because they left it out all day They don't have refrigeration.

2:41:12Oh boy, so somebody cooked me monkey and then I ate it and then I like I like walked out back and I was like that the other half of the monkey you just cooked me and they were like Yeah, it was like covered in flies and it was like had been out all day. It was completely rancid So it's basically I just ate roadkill. Oh boy, and I was the sickest This this one got some controversy man. This poor little dire is just trying to eat a dinner and everyone freaked out And what is she eating there? A turtle Yeah, people are mad that she's eating a turtle. Oh the comments section on this are garbage fires just she was I mean I'm literally she's just eating dinner.

2:41:47I was just taking a video of her But I mean people were like how could you let her do this and it's like let her eat. Yeah, Jesus. What are you talking about? But she's adorable. She's so tough. She uh she actually I saw her the last time I saw her she was She took her as she took an axe and she like broke open this log and she pulled out this grub That was bigger than my thumb and she was like eat it and I was like I don't want it And she was like why not and I was like you're six I was like because I don't want grub right now and she just took it and bit the you know the pincers on the face of it She like bit the pincers off.

2:42:18She's like what about now and I realized this kid was like You afraid to eat a grub? Ah So then of course they ate like 10 grubs and I was like they're okay And then like we had this like but like she's tough like that. So she grew up in the jungle challenging you Yeah, she said it says that you're a little bit of an outsider Yeah, like I didn't she was just like are you as comfortable with this as I am Oh, I was not prepared for that So let me put down what I'm doing and eat more grubs than you kid. What's a grub taste like? Uh Brainy grass It's mushy the worst thing about a grub is that if you don't cook them And you just like or when you start to cook them when the nematodes come out of them when the parasites that are living in the grubs come out Oh, yeah, so I mean nothing seems to happen.

2:43:02Usually I think I don't have to cook them. You should cook them Was she cooking them? Oh, no, she was eating them like popcorn. I couldn't keep mine I've all these videos have her just eat their hysterical and then they had a baby He's got a baby. It's like a it's like an infant and they're the mom is popping them in the baby little little tiny soft ones without the pincers But she's popping them in and like the whole family like it was like you got popcorn in the movie theater It's like we couldn't you couldn't fight over it fast enough everybody wanted a grub And then she just picked the biggest gnarliest mother fucker with the gnarliest fangs And she was like put this in your mouth.

2:43:37Are they nutritious? They're very nutritious. Really? Oh, they're amazing. Yeah No, and if you cook them they they are delicious. Really? Yeah, they're sweet Oh, no, they didn't look they call them sooty. Oh, so you like they'll stick a bunch of them on a stick and then fry them and stuff as a bunch of What does it taste like when you fry them when you fry them? It's crunchy. It's good Like that you I guarantee if you blindfolded somebody and fed them fried grubs They would be totally stoked about it. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, they're delicious Shout -out to rollover kelmy for making the best fried grubs Yeah, no, so that could be like a menu item.

2:44:12Yeah, no. Yeah, like you go to Peru and like oh Still alive on the skewers. Yeah, but like I've seen like the way people give like a baby a lollipop or something So this is like a mark out where they're just cooking them on the market. Yeah Yeah, he's gonna be enjoying them. They do look kind of tasty. Yeah Wow, I see grubs Did you have a fascinating life? A weird life. It's pretty weird, but it's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. Well, dude I've been I've been waiting so long to say thank you face -to -face and I mean it. Oh my pleasure. Thank you It really really altered how things went. I appreciate you Altering the entire course of everything and making it possible to protect all those heartbeats.

2:44:54It's a crazy place You should come see it sometime. It's my pleasure and I thank you for what you're doing and I thank you for coming here And I hope more people will understand more people get involved now because of this. Yeah, there's this conversation I think they will yeah, let's save an entire river that create that insane Carnival of life. Let's let's protect that. I think we could do this kind of show a bunch of times too So like anytime new things are coming on and new things are happening or anything you want to talk about let's do it All right, man, so we are new parasites. I was thinking I was actually thinking of trying to keep the bot fly I was like I'm gonna take it out No, no, no, it's no need.

2:45:33I've video is good enough. I'm positive Yeah, let's you want to eat it afterwards. Jesus show me off your yikes. Do they eat bot flies? No No, no, no Oh, no, that's taking it too far. They cook tarantulas. I know that right tarantulas apparently tastes like crap I've never actually had one. I mean, I've eaten pretty much everything But I've never had a tarantula apparently David Goods people the young mommy they do that. Yeah, nice tarantulas Well, listen man. Thank you so much for being here and thank you for everything that you're doing It's it's courageous. It's amazing. It's inspiring. It's really interesting and your book which is available right now Mother god.

2:46:09Yeah. Yeah. I'm listening to it on audio right now. It's incredible So thank you. Thanks for being here, man. Let's do it again. Thank you so much. My pleasure. All right