#2014 - Jim Gaffigan

29:13I got such a baby. I'm like, LA again, there's life flat. I'll do that. Anyway, I'm just trying to impress everyone with my toughness, my mental grit. A baby can't, a baby can't be uncomfortable for a couple of hours. You can definitely get used to comfort. Yeah. Yeah. But it's probably not good for kids to grow up that comfortable. No. It's interesting. You know, it's like we all, everyone that I know that's interesting, had a pretty shitty childhood and rough and difficult and a lot of problems. And, but none of those people want that for their children, even though it made them the most interesting people that I know, because they got through some hard times and difficult childhoods and struggle.

30:03And they develop discipline and character and, you know, the ability to overcome adversity. I mean, it is. It's parenting is terrifying. It is. It's terrifying. It's a complicated world. Because you know you're going to suck at it. But it's like how much damage can you do? Yeah. And how much damage does the world do? Yeah. Yeah. It's not just you. What are your children going to expose to it? School. What are your children going to expose to on the streets? Yeah. Because when they reach a certain age where you can hear them actively not listening to you. And you're like, I hope your peer group is communicating some of this stuff.

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32:18You know babies, oh, I couldn't sleep last night. My baby was crying. I did change poopy diapers. And that's the easy part. That's the easy part. Yeah, that's just lack of sleep. Yeah. But like when it's Saturday night and they're out, you're like, what where are they? Right. Going to parties. It's terrifying. Yeah. Who knows what's happening with these parties. Yeah. And again, it's also, I mean, there is, you know, there has been, you know, again, going back to like these these teenage kids, I would say like 13 to 19. I mean, you know, up, you know, some of them missed graduation from high schools on, you know, some of it was just a year.

33:04Some people it was two years, but it is social media. It's like also, you know, you know, the generation of our comedians, you know, we were, I mean, how many benefits did you do about legalizing pot decriminalizing pot? Let's get rid of all these rules. And then so what happens in Manhattan is it's decriminalized, right? So like every bodega is selling weed. But since it's decriminalized, the police are like, we don't, we got enough on our hands. So we're not, and it's decriminalized. So we're not legal in New York. Well, but here's what happens is that like my barber opens a weed shop. Everyone has a weed shop.

33:52But unlike L .A. where it's, it feels organized in New York. It's a little bit of the wild, wild west. And so there's these two stores. And again, there's no supervision. So one store starts selling mushrooms, you know, kind of like discreetly. Some of them starts, you know, they'll sell it to a kid that's 13. Where is an L .A. and Colorado? I don't think that happens. And so as a result, what's happening in New York is that there's kids that like are getting stuff that since it's not regulated, they're getting stuff that's laced with stuff. And so instead of smoking, you know, you're spending your 16, your age of 16 years old, smoking a regano for three months, these kids are smoking some of the most powerful stuff that's laced with shit.

34:44And then there's kids that are like, you know, there's kids jumping off buildings. You know what I mean? And the thing is, is like, it's not talked about because it's, it's, you know, some of these wealthy parents, there's so much shame about about, I mean, I have no idea I can't even contemplate what it would be like, but like it's not in the news. It's not like, you know, where I grew up in Indiana, it's like, oh, that town, there's meth there. You know what I mean? It's not like that. It's like, there's a cover up. Like this kid was going to go to this great college and he got stoned off of a vape pen that was laced with, you know, you know, whatever that stuff that they get from the channel.

35:26Yeah. And he jumps off a building and the kid wasn't suicidal. The kid wasn't a total fuck up. It was. And so instead of that being in the news, the family's like, you know, it's, it's brutal. And again, it's, it's very similar to, you know, just the mental health crisis. It's a tsunami. But these kids are, yeah, there's a lot going on. The, the fentanyl thing is a giant issue. It's, it's killing 100 ,000 people every year in this country. Fentanyl overdoses, young people. And why is, I mean, you know, that's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. And is, is there, all right. So we, you never heard of how this is like in response to the opium wars.

36:15Did you ever hear about that? That's in response to the opium wars. Yeah. So like, so, you know, I've performed in China a couple times. Now I'm never going to be able to perform there after saying this. But like essentially, during the opium wars is like the British were trying to take over China. And they were trying to trade. And essentially, nothing was working. So what they essentially did is they got an entire generation of Chinese addicted to opium. And they destabilized. And then they could take it over. And so in the British did a lot of nice things in India and all over the world. But this is like one of the things that, you know, among the expats in that were performing standup and trying to tell me about.

37:02Is that like, oh, yeah, this fentanyl is all kind of like revenge for that. And that so they make it. They sell it to the, you know, the cartels of Mexico. And it's just going to get in. But like, so what is the, because the question is, what is the motivation behind them doing this is kind of like you hold a grudge. You know, it's like you literally, you know, this great nation that has, you know, thousands year more history than most Western countries was essentially the British came in and they drugged them. And I can just see my comments right now. You know nothing. You know nothing. Nothing.

37:52And by the way, I do know nothing. But this is what it's, it's an interesting explanation. Right. Well, the opium wars a historical fact. Yes. Yeah. That's true. But like that, that's the reasoning behind fentanyl. Being kind of sold to the cartels. And why I think it probably has a factor and I think another factor is just financial interest. It's just so cheap. Right. It's so cheap. They make the pre -cursures. They bring them over to Mexico. They sell them to the cartels and they produce fentanyl. And United States has a massive appetite for illegal drugs. And it's also part of the war on drugs because of the fact that it's illegal.

38:33It's very difficult to get and you have to get it from criminals. So it pumps up the criminals. So the cartels make insane amounts of money. And they have a business and bringing stuff across the border into America. There's a, there's also a financial interest in the fact that fentanyl is very cheap and it's very potent. So you don't need a lot of it. And you can lace things with fentanyl. So when people are buying like street Xanax or street MDMA. A lot of is laced. A lot of is laced to provide additional effects so that it's effective even though it's watered down and cut down like the cocaine.

39:11Yeah. They cut it and they add fentanyl to it. And a lot of people are dying from the fentanyl. That's insane. It's insane. I mean, and we live through the crack era, which is not like crack is like there's the devastating effects of it. And so it's nothing compared to fentanyl. And math, we live through math. Yeah. You know, math's really got to pick up their game. Well, Adderall took their the fucking the throne. Now everyone's on Adderall. You can get it from a doctor. It's, it's, oh here, let me, here's something I would add. So like energy. And I could just ask Segura and, uh, uh, birth this.

39:53But are they on like, um, testosterone? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. But, you know, like, how is that? How is that? How can I get that? You can you go to a doctor and is it like you want it? Well, I don't know. I get you hooked up. I mean, is it going to I'm not going to fill up my family? No. No. No. No. No. All right. She murdered. Then I don't want to. Then I don't want it. No, but like energy wise. Yeah. Stamina. I've never been an energetic person. I know people are listening like, no, Jim. You being. Uh, but, yeah. So that would be you would have more energy for sure. I'd have more energy. Sure.

40:37Your immune system would work better. Everything would work better. So why is there everyone just on it? Well, a lot of people are. There's a lot more people on the side of the semester. Who else is Robert Kennedy, Jr. Oh, really? Yeah, he's on it. So yeah, he does seem like he's really fit. He's impressively. He's 69. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he works out every day. Goes to goals. Jim and Venice works out with jeans on. Is that what you talked like this? No, he talks like that because of an illness. Oh, yeah. So I shouldn't make light of it. Yeah, look at him. Yeah. He's buff. That's crazy. He's. Oh my god.

41:1369 out there doing pushups and shit with the jeans on. I don't know why the jeans on. That seems calculated. Seems like they would get in the way. I think it's a you thing. Yeah, where the jeans I would never look at him and think he's 69. He's in great shape. Right. But he also takes very good care of himself. It's right. How important is the plunge pool? Or is that just a trend? Is that Zumba for today? No, it's real. It has without a doubt. It has great physiological and mental benefits. I do. Do it every day. It sucks. Today was hard. It was up late last night hanging out at the club, got home the alarm clock went off.

41:54I want fuck. And it's it's like in a room. No, it's outside. Which is nice because it's hot out. So at least I got some sun on my face while my body's freezing. And it is just it's hard. It's and how long in three minutes? And but you get out and you're like this is amazing. You get out and immediately you get this room. You get that rush of endorphins, this rush of norapinepherend and dopamine. And it lasts for hours. They said it's a 200 percent increase in dopamine that lasts for four to six hours. And it's not just like your body saying thank you for getting out of there. It's a probably something to do with it.

42:34Yeah. It's cold shock proteins. It's your body responding to this imminent threat of death. So it produces these anti inflammatory proteins. Wow. It's really good for you. not just in, it's great for your endocrine system. It increases your testosterone when you do that and then work out. There's studies that show that. But it's great for your mental health. You're mental. Like a lot of people that have anxiety and suffer from depression, they've gotten off meds because they've started doing daily cold plunges. Yeah. Yeah. I would totally be open as long as it wasn't cold. Yeah. It's a fucking struggle, man.

43:09But you know what? It's only three minutes. The thing is, it's like three minutes passes in normal times, so easy. When you're comfortable right now, like we can go through three minutes and it's nothing. You just gotta just go through it. Just go through the three minutes. It's only three minutes. It sucks. But while it sucks, you just deal with it. You just breathe and deal with it. And then after three minutes, you get out and immediately you feel amazing. Like wow. Like if there was a drug that you could take that gives you the feeling that you get right out of the cold plunge, it would be insanely popular.

43:41If there was like a mint that you could pop in your mouth, you'd get through the fucking gas station. Everybody would be taking it. You know, all these kids are on vape pens because they get a little, ooh, they get a little light headed and get a little high. You would take that pill, the post cold plunge pill every day. You'd feel great. It would be great for everybody. But it's not a pill. It's a fucking arduous, difficult routine. It sucks. But it's only three minutes. It's not that big a deal. Just get in there. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Say fuck, you know, 360 times.

44:13Take a bunch of breaths. And it's, and so, yeah. Yeah, but then you gotta get a nice maker. Sauna is great for you too. Well, you don't have to get a nice maker. You get one of these machines. It just keeps it cold all the time. Oh wow. Yeah, they have these cold plunge machines. Like we have one here. It's called a blue cube. We have one at home. It's called a moroscope forge. And it's 34 degrees. The water is just above freezing. You get in there and you just fucking suffer for three minutes and you feel great. All eggs and pains and everything that sort of feels better. You get in there. And so some of it is physical.

44:47And some of it is the physical that leads to mental. You know, so you feel, you know, because I'm sure that I speak for you also. It's like I feel mentally balanced after I do stand up. Like the, it's not just a high. It's not a low. It's like if I'm really high before I do a set, I'm kind of even killed if I'm kind of exhausted. It gives me a boost. There's, and so when I, you know, think about like things that are like for mental health. And you know, for me, it sounds kind of corny, but I have, during the pandemic, I started gardening and it is amazing. It sounds, and I know I'm trying to, people were like my grandma gardens, but it is, I mean, some of it is I wanted to be a farmer.

45:40I, you know, when I was in eighth grade, but like the farmers are happy. Like there's something about there, about the meditative nature. There's also you plant something and you come out and there's, you've, sometimes there's a huge amount of peppers. It's like Christmas morning. And sometimes it's a disaster, but it's, it's amazing. It's a complicated task. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah, it, it engages you. And it's, and there is something about, because I see the, you know, that the happiest people are farmers. And I'm like, that makes perfect sense. Oh, is that real? That happiest people are farmers?

46:20I would imagine that providing people with food also feels good being a provider. And just the, the whole, I think there's probably like a genetic component to it. There's a long history of human beings farming. And so I think there's also like built -in human reward systems based on certain behavior that you know leads to success and survival. And I would imagine that farming is on that list. Yeah. I think it's, it's, it's very, it's just amazing. I know. It's just cool anyway. Yeah. It plants some seeds. You see the sprouts grow up. It's cool. It's amazing. I mean, just, and all the different plants and what you do to help the plant.

47:02And I mean, it's just insane. And it's a great way to get food. And it encourages you to eat healthier. Yeah. Because if you grow something, you're like, we're gonna eat the celery. But it's like besides that time, I've never eaten celery. Yeah. I mean, it's also, you know, there's no pesticides on it. There's no herbicides. You're just getting organic vegetables. And then it's like this math puzzle where you sit there and you go, all right, so you do the companion plants. And you know, this determines this past. And so all the answers are there. It's like we just kind of, like I think even like celery is an example, like there's no reason why someone, like if you, you can grow your own celery, you should never have to buy.

47:49So like if you chop it off and come back, it'll grow back. So like the fact that like we go and buy a huge thing of celery is so foreign to like our great grandparents. Right. Like you would never buy celery. You could just easily grow it. My grandparents in New Jersey, my grandfather had a big garden in his backyard. This, most of his backyard was fenced in and he was growing tomato plants and squash and zucchini and all these different things. And my grandmother always made tomato sauce from the tomatoes from my grandfather's garden and it was amazing. Yeah. Just the tomatoes themselves, those New Jersey beef steak tomatoes, they're all organic and they, they were like a fruit.

48:32Yeah. So much different than the pale supermarket tomatoes that last for months on the shelf. And those things are bastardized. It's crazy. Like heirloom tomatoes. That's what a tomato supposed to be like. Those delicious sweet succulent tomatoes. Yeah. And you're like, this is actually good. Yeah. I could see eating. It's like even kale. You know, I have material in kale. And I've grown kale and I'm like, all right, you know, this is better than the, you know, because of course the time I had kale cattener 15 years ago, it was just bitter. It was probably old kale. I mean, that had bolted or whatever.

49:11So. Well, kale has a lot of oxalates in it. So I used to drink kale smoothies every morning and then I started reading up on kidney stones and problems with oxalates when you eat raw vegetables and like high quantities. There's a lot of people that drink a lot of those veggie shakes in the morning, ground up vegetables that wind up getting problems with oxalates. They say, yeah, they say it's actually for some vegetables. It's actually better to cook them. Really? Yeah. Isn't celery supposed to decrease inflammation? Celery is supposed to clean you out. There's like properties in celery that are supposed to be really good for digestive issues and to clean you out.

49:54Celery juice is great. It's a good thing in the morning too. It kind of gets your whole fucking bowel system moving, you know? And so do you have one cheat day? Because you know, we've talked about Italian food. That's, you know, that's my fucking. Vatres, plates. Italian food in Mexican food. Those are my, those are my vices. And is it once a week or is it? Yeah, once a week I'll have something every now and again. Depends like we were in the Bronx, well, it was in New York a couple of weeks ago and we went to this sandwich shop in the Bronx, G and R, Deli. We had these massive Italian subs. It was fucking incredible.

50:31And I'm like, when I'm eating that, I'm not thinking at all about health. It's out of the, it's my job, you know? It's like hanging out with these wild Italians eating their fucking incredible food. And do you feel the consequences of, you know, eating bread when you don't normally? Come on, look at that. That's the spot. What I felt like afterwards, yeah, I felt like I ate a brick. Yeah. But it was so good. It, you know, I just think there's also pleasure in food that I really enjoy. And that's one of the things that I really enjoy about Italian food. I really enjoy about Mexican food. I just love the pleasure of eating these delicious meals.

51:09And I know they're not good for you, you know? If I'm eating linguine with clams, I'm under no illusion that I'm eating health food. It is fascinating how different cultures excel at cooking, right? So like the Italians amazing. But like right above Italy is Austria. And I'm not saying Austria has horrible food. But like, you know, you know, I've been to Vienna. I did a show there. It's like you get deep fried, you know, whatever that dish is. But like some of it is like the, you know, you go to Mexico, it's like that's the home of, you know, the people of the sign and all those fruits and peppers.

51:52And there's a pepper for every kind of state in Mexico. And some of it is geography, but some of it is just like, they're, they really care. Yeah. Right. And they've taken the time to figure out how to eat good stuff. Eating good stuff and being together with the family when you all sit around and enjoy a great meal together. There's a, there's a lot to that. There's a lot to, I mean, eating like boring, healthy food and just sitting around not enjoying it. There's no benefit to that other than health. But the benefit when you're eating delicious food, you're having a glass of wine and, you know, a great lasagna.

52:31It's like, oh, yeah, this is enjoyment. This is like a celebration of life and of pleasure. Yeah. There's something to that for sure. It is. Why is like, so Thailand, the foods amazing? Amazing. Like, you never hear someone go, you know what? We got to get this Laosian food. I mean, it's right there. Do you know what I mean? It's like, but some of that's the influence of, you know, the spices that are probably in Thailand, you know, but I don't know. Yeah, it's history. It's a history of great chefs and great cuisine, you know, and it's pride in that history. And it's passed down from generation to generation.

53:14There's that too. There's a lot, you know, but the celebration of food and of eating, it's, you know, it's an art form. Food is an art form and chefs are artists. And when you have a great meal, you're not just consuming nutrients. You're also like taking in this flavor art. Yeah. Yeah. So I eat mostly healthy, but if I'm going to go to, you know, Los Angeles and I'm, you know, I'm only there for one night and I have a chance to go to a great Italian restaurant. I'm gonna eat. No, it's right yourself. But wait a minute. So like if you get, if you have some drinks during the week or whatever, but you have the willpower because isn't that the problem?

54:00Is that you make the bad decisions? It's also when you eat. And then you keep going. Then you go out for burgers at two o 'clock in the morning. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely can do that. It's the most important thing is like what is the majority of your diet and the majority of your time? Is the majority of your time spent doing healthy activities and being physically fit and eating right and taking vitamins and doing the sauna, a cold plunge and all this other stuff? Or is the majority of your time spent eating burgers and cheese and fucking drinking beer and fucking off? Then you're gonna have negative consequences.

54:37I think as long as the absolute majority of your time is spent doing healthy things, then you just enjoy yourself on these ones. Like the rock has like this cheat day. He does it. It's legendary. He takes photos and videos of it, giant stacks of pancakes, like he's in maple like serious. Four chefs. Huge trays of sushi. But obviously look at him, he's doing something right. He's very lean, he's very healthy. And he just has one day where he goes off the rails. And that is like for him, it's like a mental health break from the rigor of just sheer discipline that he exhibits every day. Getting up in the morning, hours of cardio and weight lifting and all this stuff that he does.

55:20So then the one day he just goes ham. I think there's nothing wrong with that. And I think your body can absolutely recover from that. Your body knows what to do with that. It just burns through all that shit. And then you're back on the grind the next day. And so when you consider, so you're, you enjoy being busy, right? You enjoy, you know, you're, you know, I mean, you've got a lot of hats, right? And some of that is, you know, I feel like in some ways I'm very similar. I love stand up, I love acting, I love doing different things. Obviously my family is kind of important, you know what I mean?

55:56But like the, do you ever have a moment where like you look at the mania? And that's kind of unfair to characterize it as mania, but the pacing. So like even last night, I was talking my wife, I'm like, yeah, I got to get up at four so I can get on this flight to go to Austin. She's like, why do you, why do you need to do that? Why do you need to like, and I'm like, because it's a terrific opportunity. And you know, some of it is like, you know, I have this new special and it's like, you know, when we started stand up, you know, there was, it was a different world, but like this, the, this process of stand up is so rewarding, but like, do you ever have a perspective where you're like, what am I doing?

56:46Do you know what I'm saying? Maybe I'm not making a sense. I know what you're saying. But it's just like, why, why, why 10 specials? Why, why? Because it's fulfilling. The work is gratifying in itself. The journey is the thing that's important, but is there something of, you know, also, you know, you don't want to not take advantage of an opportunity, you know what I mean? And I also know that like coming up for, coming up with a new line or a new topic even for jokes is so rewarding and it's, it feeds itself, but like, do you ever look at the pace of your life and think, why am I going so hard?

57:30Occasionally. Yeah, but not most of the time. Most of the time I'm enjoying it. Because most of the time it is fun. It's way better to be busy doing something you love than to wish you were busy doing something you love. And also having gone through decades of not having the opportunity to do what you love or doing it under certain parameters. Yeah, and, you know, really struggling and not being financially secure, not knowing when you will be, not knowing if you ever will be. Right. And then, you know, getting recognition for it, becoming famous for it, having a great fan base like you have and now you get to tour, you go, ladies and gentlemen, Jim Gavigan.

58:11Yeah. Yeah. No, it's amazing. And then you get to provide these people with an amazing experience of fun and joy and laughter and they walk out of there. And then it's talking about that. Yeah. They're driving home laughing about it. It's amazing. It's an amazing job. It's amazing job. It's incredible. It's the best. Yeah. It's the best. And, you know, having a club now and being able to do it in town, like I could, I do six hours of stand -up, a week, two shows on Tuesday, two shows on Wednesday, two shows on Thursday. I do it all the time. But for me, it's a balance because then like on the weekend, I can work if I want to or I can just hang out with my family.

58:50I can be at home. I get stuff done. I can just relax. I get all the work that I need to do in, but I also, you know, and like podcasting for me is... I wanna say it's easy, but it's the easiest. It's the, it's fun. It's, you're in conversations with people. You're having conversations, so you're getting the fulfillment because you're talking to friends, you're talking to peers, you're talking to people that you're seeing develop their careers in MMA. And then you're also talking to fascinating people that you're curious about. Yes. I mean, that's what was, that's how brilliant you've curated this too.

59:28It's not like, I gotta talk to someone I'm not interested in. Right. You don't need... That's the key, I think, to podcast success. Only talk to people that you wanna talk to. Only, like I book it all myself. I don't have anyone who tells me who has to be on that never happens. I mean, I've even reluctant when people are like, you should get this person on. I'm like, mm, now I don't really wanna. That's the key. That's the key. Well, by the way, that's very common. There's like movies like that I've wanted. I'm like, I wanna meet that director, and they'll be like, well, you should find a way because if an agent proposes someone that director's not interested in that person.

1:00:12Oh, yeah. And I'm like, oh wow. When they feel like they're being pushed. Yeah. Yeah, especially artists. When they have like vision, they have an idea of a thing, and they're trying to put it together in their head and trying to plan it all out. And then someone's like, you should do this. You should do like, that's the last thing I wanna do now. Now you fucked with my vision. And I think that, you know, that's some of, you know, not getting caught up in other people's expectations is, that's like the lesson that I personally have to keep relearning, not like from scratch, but it's like, I guess I would call it like a relapse where I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I only did this because they told me to do it.

1:00:56And I didn't even wanna do this. Do you know what I mean? Whereas, you know, when I was in my late 20s. I'd be like, what do I do? You know what I mean? Should I do that? Okay, I'll do that, you know. And, you know, often when you follow your own path, you know, and you're doing things you really care about, then it's not work. It's not work. It's enjoyment. Yeah, it's just, it's difficult. Like you have to work, you have to do some work. Like with stand -up, you have to write, you have to perform, you have to really think about it, you have to edit your act and put it together. But it's still enjoyable.

1:01:31It's fun. Yeah. It's not, I mean, there's a giant percentage of our population that does things they don't wanna do all day, every day. And that's one of the reasons why people drink so much. When they come home, when they just want a break, like they just don't want to be there anymore. They wanna change their state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're escaping. Brutal. Yeah. I mean, that is the life that a lot of people choose when they choose security. They choose something like, oh, if I do this, I can make that and I do this, then I can buy a house. And then I do that, I can buy a boat. I do this, then I can get that.

1:02:04And they're all day long watching that clock, wanting to get the fuck out of there. And then they get out of there, they go home, they just, oh, give me a drink. And their family's complaining and the wife is pissed because the gardener fucks up them up. And she's like, you're my worker, ah, yeah. And then you just sit there watching TV and yelling at Fox News. Yeah. And then, and there is something about, I mean, I don't think we even, there's probably people that understand this, but like, this outrage machine is, it serves such a purpose. And I'm talking about both sides, like, you know, fucking Trump, fucking Biden.

1:02:47There is like this, there is this thing that, like, it serves something in us that is probably not healthy, definitely not healthy. Right? And it's, it's certainly not constructive. Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel as though, you know, with comedians, we are so used to being around. And I, but we're so used to being around people of different points of view and different sensibilities that we grow to love that it's not completely foreign to like, I remember at Fourth of July, I had a friend that was like at Occupy Wall Street and then I had a friend who works at Fox News and they were there and they've known each other for 30 years and it was nothing.

1:03:38It was, it was not an issue. It was interesting. I mean, I was asking them questions, you know, I'm like, all right, so what's going on here? And, but there is something, maybe it's because comedians are misfits, because I say that also and I sometimes think like, sometimes people in the entertainment industry are like, you know, my business is so weird. When the reality is, you know, in a bank, in a, you know, in a construction site, there's people of dramatically different opinions too and they got to go along to get along, right? Yeah, but I don't know. Well, people like being in opposition of other people and they like thinking that those people on that other side are keeping them from living the dream or keeping, you know, this country from being great or keeping, you know, people from prospering and keeping democracy alive and if we don't defeat them, we're fucked and they like having this like wild cause.

1:04:36And there's some validity to it. I mean, there's a lot of real challenging issues in this country, like real dangerous scary issues and there's a lot of financial interests that are tied up in these dangerous scary issues and they will avoid solutions because they're profiting off of the problem itself. There's a lot of that going on. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of the homeless problem that's a lot of, there's a lot of issues in this country that you could pick one side or another and just decide those people are the problem. It's insanely complicated. It's insanely interwoven and complex and, you know, to just, to, you know, reduce it down to the right versus the left and we're the good guys and they're the bad guys.

1:05:18Like, that's such a stupid perspective and you're being played. You're being played by the media. You're being played by politicians, you know, it's like manufactured outrage, recreational outrage and it's just a giant distraction. It's constantly going on. And then there's UFOs. Yeah, why is it that the UFO thing comes up every couple of months with really, there's UFOs and then like a half hour later people are like, did you see the new cults uniform? You're like, we're so easily distracted by really unimportant things from like stuff that, you know, is the theme of every sci -fi movie, right?

1:06:03We're so, you know, like the, you know, the alien thing in the pandemic, they're like, well, here's the aliens info and people are like, that's unbelievable. Did you see what Trump said to that female reporter? You're mean like, we are so easily distracted. By, but I mean, I don't think it's a conspiracy necessarily. I think it's just that human beings are just like goldfish. I think we forget. For sure. Oh, that's right. We definitely are, but then there's also people that take advantage of that. And I think there's definitely calculated news releases and leaks that they put out to distract us from other complicated things that are also going on simultaneously.

1:06:46The fascinating thing about the UFO thing is, because if this had happened in like the 1980s, it would be front page of every newspaper, everyone would be talking about it at work, everyone would be talking about on the street, like, oh my God, they had congressional hearings where they said we've recovered multiple crashed vehicles from other planets. We have alien biological entities that are in freezers, that they have right now. The government has been doing this for 80 years and keeping its secret. There's a crash retrieval program. There's a back engineering program. This is all in the congressional hearings yesterday.

1:07:21And everybody's like, yeah, whatever. But Elon Musk changed it to an axe. Why is it an axe? He's a Nazi. Here's what I don't understand. Like, because you talk to him, you're probably friendly with him. But like, he reminds me of a comedian. He reminds me of the comedian that, because there's the comedians where they're like, they'll be like, hey, do us a favor. Whatever you do, don't bring up that person with the blue shirt and the comedian's like, I'm bringing up that person with the blue shirt. He is that, like the axe thing, and I haven't done a deep dive. I know people are upset about it.

1:07:59And, but I'm sitting there, and I know that people are like, but my takeaway is like, oh, he's that, that's, he's just doing that for fun, right? That's just him like, all right, the Russians did a Z on their tracks. What could I do on Twitter that would freak people out? And that's kind of, or is it a distraction? What he's doing? Or is, like here, like, let me, all right, here's my conspiracy. My conspiracy is Twitter threads is, you know, it's still in development. But like Twitter is really struggling, right? Let's say it's struggling. Financial. Yeah. How do you distract from that? You either, how do you make the new, you introduce a new conversation piece?

1:08:49So like, if you're, if you're gonna be likely, which comedians, you know, point of view, you know, wouldn't you sit there and go, maybe what is the reason for the axe? Well, he has an incentive for us talking about it. He loves the letter X. Space X, his kids name X. I think the original company that he developed with PayPal was X. Like he's got an affinity for that letter for whatever reason. He, you know, he's a super nerd. He likes, like, he made the shape of the rocket different because he likes the movie space balls. Right. Yeah, I mean, that's why he called me. Oh, he put a Tesla in the satellite.

1:09:32There's that, but then there's also the knowledge. I mean, I have a 17 year old son who I know says things to push buttons. Oh, yeah. And so he's a little bit like, you know, I'm going to do this and it's gonna make some people upset. It's part, in a way, it's part of the outrage machine. Sure. It's like, I gotta feed the outrage machine. Well, it's a fun thing for a kid too, to fuck with you. Say something to your dad. Feel some power. Yeah, right? Just put a little push. Hey, dad, do you ever think that maybe you're wrong? Hey, hey, dad, do you think that maybe the other side is on the right path and you're the enemy of history?

1:10:16Yes, yes. And, you know, I've got five kids with five different opinions. And it's just crazy how different their opinions are, isn't it? There is. Out of the box, same house. There is no. I mean, just once a social justice warrior, one's like, all right, I gotta make sure he doesn't turn into a troll. One who's terrific athlete, one who's like, either gonna be a fashion designer or a serial killer. It's just bananas. But, you know, there is part of me as a comedian. I'm like, you know what? You don't want the easy life, because the easy life, it's hard to come up with material. You want the way to pass.

1:11:01Right? Well, you know, you want a life with problems that are solvable. Yeah. You don't want problems that are insurmountable. Like, you live in a war, torn country, and there's no food. Those are horrible problems. But, you want problems like, I mean, a difficult occupation. There's a lot of competition. It's fascinating, intellectually challenging, but I have to be on my fucking game. And I have to get up and I have to put in the work. And the more work I put in, the better the results will be. That's what you want. And you want that feeling of satisfaction. I think human beings, we require complex problem solving.

1:11:34We require things that we have to accomplish and do in order to feel good. Like, we've made some headway, made some ground. We made some progress. We're doing the right thing. There's like a built -in thing that I think that's from our evolution and our development, that we had to develop the proper tools and figure out how to hunt and gather and all those different things. There's a lot to that. There's a lot to that. It's like it's wired into the psychology of being a human being. The most miserable people I know have nothing to do. They're bored and lazy and they sedentary and they distract themselves with drugs and alcohol and whatever and pharmaceuticals.

1:12:13And those are the people that are struggling the most because they don't struggle with the thing that they do. Where there's this thing that they have to be on top of, they have to be focused and really dedicated to it. And then you see the results of those. Whether you're working in a team and office that's trying to accomplish goal and you get it, you're like, yeah, then everybody can go out and celebrate. There's a real feeling of accomplishment when you do something. When you don't do anything, anything at all. I just think people get really depressed. I think it's really bad for you. You do not do anything.

1:12:41Yeah, well that's also like, you know, the success can kind of cripple people, right? Right. You get soft. All right, let me ask you this. Okay. What are the chances of Biden and Trump being the nominees? I think the chance of Trump is very high. I think the chance of Biden is entirely dependent on whether or not they can do something to turn its health around because it seems like his mental health is deteriorating so rapidly and so publicly that it's a narrative now and it's an inescapable narrative. He just said they cured cancer the other day. Did you see that? Yeah, I mean, I didn't see that.

1:13:20He just says things and he doesn't know what he's saying. He clearly is compromised mentally. Was something wrong? There is something about the age of everyone. So you probably saw the Mitch McConnell thing. Amazing. Diane Feinstein, you know, he just rebooted. You know, everybody. And who do you know? Like the Chuck Grassley. There is, and I tried to write about this, but it's also like our perception of it because part of you is like, okay, Mick Jagger is 80. He's killing it. He's probably, you know, he's probably got two more wives in him. You know what I mean? And then you got Harrison Ford.

1:14:03Yeah. Raiders of Lost Dark. I saw the movie. I brought it with my kids. It's an action movie. He's still an action star, age 80. Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, kicking ass. They're in their 80s. Yeah. And then you sit there and you look at, you know, Nancy Pelosi was 84. Yeah. You know, Diane Feinstein, you know, it's like, the Feinstein's compromise. They actually hid that she's compromised. It's like all this. Yeah. And then also like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, should have, should have left. Yeah. Right. Earlier. Yeah. But like, they could have left during the Obama administration. They would have gotten a liberal judge.

1:14:41Yeah. But I think it's confusing. These incentive appropriations hearings and has to be prodded to vote. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, it's not fair. It's not fair to the constituents. It's not fair to her. But when I was a kid, I didn't, you know, the understanding, you know, I'm in my 50s. I know I look like I'm 60. You look great. Oh, thanks. No, but like, when I was growing up, people turned 65. They retired and they either want to Florida or Arizona. And they retired or they, you know, got a different kind of job. And but like, they kind of disappeared. Then they went to the blue plates. They died their hair blue.

1:15:25And then they started sending their kids two bucks in a birthday card. I didn't even know 80 -year -olds existed. I mean, now there's so many 80 -year -olds. Like, there used to be like people that were 65 that moved to Florida. And then there was like, Willards got what announced. One or two hundred -year -olds. Right, right. But there was no 80 -year -olds. There was not a, I mean, the 80 -year -olds are everywhere. They're taking, I think, I think the 80 -year -olds are multiplying. Well, there's better medicine and health now. You know, people are way better at nutrition than taking care of themselves.

1:16:03They have good doctors and they're getting the right supplements and, you know, they can live longer. People are gonna live a lot longer. I think within our lifetime, we're gonna see people that live to be a hundred -fifty years old. I think that's a fact. I mean, when we were kids, Reagan was president. Yeah. He was probably 72 or something like that and people were like, he's, you know. Yeah. You know, it's like he's... Now he would be a spring chicken. Now, yeah. Are you kidding? He would be like lifting weights with RFKG. Yeah, that's three years old and RFKG. Yeah, right. Look at him at 69.

1:16:37That's nuts. It's amazing. Yeah. When you see guys like... Well, Biden is a particularly bad example because he's also had two brain surgeries. He had, you know, like a serious brain searcher where they would remove the top of your skull and deal with aneurysms. Like, he's got real problems and they know it. But they also know that he's the president of the United States and they can't address that or they lose power. And they also know that he's stated that he wants to run again. And what they can talk him out of that or whether he decides not to do that or whether some... The health complications get more severe.

1:17:14Like, you don't get better when you get 80 and you're in the most insane high pressure job. I don't know. Do you see the movement to Koon? I mean, they... But here's the thing. You know, I think that... There is, you know, the Biden thing is, you know, I'm probably on the other side of this. But like, I view Biden as like, you know, his foot and mouth disease has disappeared. So in other words, he used to say stuff. Like, even when he was with Obama, there would be like, we gotta get Biden out of here. Right. And I don't think he does it. And some of it is... What do you mean? You don't think he does it all the time?

1:17:57Well, I mean, you know, but now they're calling them senior moments. But like, before he used to be like, he would say things and people were like, X -Nay on the talking Biden. Well, when you're a liar and an idiot as a young man, so you're pro -biden. I'm joking. Yeah. Well, he's clearly a liar. I mean, there's videos of him lying when he was younger about his, his record and, you know, he lifted the coal miner speech from the guy. Yeah. Well, we used to do Joe Biden night at stitches in Boston in the 80s. Because when he was running for president in 1988, he got caught plagiarizing. Yeah. A whole speech.

1:18:33So when, not just one, I think it was more than one. Oh, really? And then, and also I think there was some other evidence of plagiarism in his past. So we used to do a night at stitches where like, you would do my act, I would do your act, we would do every... It would go up and do our friends acts. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was Joe Biden night. No way. Yeah. And this is in 1988. But I don't know. Maybe this... All right. This is what I think. I think that if Trump... I think that if Trump goes away, I think Biden's going to go. See ya. You guys take over. That's what I naively... Well, Trump's not going to go away.

1:19:12I mean, they would have to put him in jail. And it doesn't seem like they're able to do that. What are the charges now? What are the like the most egregious, most difficult to defend charges? Because there's the top secret documents stuff. But the problem with that is Biden has multiple instances of these top secret documents. Yeah, I think. Yeah. He had to mend his fucking Corvette and his garage. Like, there's a couple cases according to the political web. Criminal cases. Definitive guide to the key players and legal risks in the four criminal probes of Donald Trump. So over two hundred and thirty four years in the nation's history, no, American president, former president, it was indicted.

1:19:51That just in March of 2023 charged with 34 felony counts in connection with hush money payments to a porn star. See, that one's a weird one. Because it's like, that's not a big deal. Well, that's... You know... Hush money payments? I mean, I don't know if our wives would agree. No, definitely it's not like morally. No, but it is... But yeah, that's like, you know, in the era of JFK, that would be like, how dare you bring that up? Yeah. So, 37 felony counts are mishandling classified documents and impending investigations. Now, what I've heard about this is these counts are inflated. So there's a bunch of counts, but they multiply those accounts based on the amount of documents and things.

1:20:37So it becomes all these different counts. I'm talking on my ass here. I can't exactly know what I'm saying. But some of it is like, but that's... And so, two other ongoing criminal probes, both related to 2020 election interference, those are serious. Yeah, I think that further in the January and the June 26th thing is pretty bad. Well, the January 6th thing is bad, but also the intelligence agencies were involved in provoking people to go into the Capitol building. That's a fact. You... So, wait a minute. You're saying that that guy... What's his name? Ray Epps. Yeah, you really think that he was...

1:21:10I don't know. I don't know, but I do know that every other... That's pretty apparent. I think he's gonna sue Fox. I think every other person who was involved in January 6th, who was involved in coordinating a break in into the Capitol and in instigating people breaking... They all were all arrested. This guy wasn't. Not only that, they were defending him in the New York Times, the Washington Post, those different things, because saying that Fox News is unjustly accused him of instigating. Well, he clearly instigated. He did it on camera. I don't know if he was a fed. I know a lot of people think he was a fed.

1:21:45The people that were there were calling him a fed. What I do know is when they asked the FBI, the FBI said, we can't tell you whether or not they were people that were there that were doing that. Now, there's been reports that there's hundreds of agents that were there that were doing that. I don't know if that's true either. But I do know that they do use agent provocateurs to disrupt peaceful protests. It's a common tactic. What they do is say if there's a... Like the World Trade Organization is a great example. That was in I think the 90s in Seattle. And so what they did was they were protesting the World Trade Organization.

1:22:23They were doing it peacefully. It was a big problem. So what they did is they sent in allegedly agent provocateurs. They started smashing buildings and lighting things on fire. Now it's not a peaceful protest. Now they could bring in the police. Now they can start arresting people. And then they created a no protest zone. Where literally if you had a pin on your jacket, there was the WTO with a red line through it, they would not let you cross. You could not cross with a pin that was against the WTO and go to work. There was a no protest zone. So the silenced protest, which is a part of our freedom of speech.

1:22:58So this is a tactic that some government agencies use to stop... Okay, but where are the protests? All right, so what you're saying is on January 6th that this event that obviously Trump organized. Forget about the Giuliani stuff and the... Whether they thought that it was still... He definitely encouraged people to protest. Yes, but all right. So you're saying that like the FBI and Nancy Pelosi... And I'm not saying Nancy Pelosi. No, but like you're saying that like they're like, you know, we'll make this instead of an awkward protest, we'll encourage it so that it'll be... It'll backfire on Trump rather than being this rising of people that believe that there was election corruption.

1:23:52I think it's certain that would be hard. You think it's possible? I think it's possible. You don't think it's... Wait a minute, you think it's hard to do? I think that the FBI or the CIA saying, you know, Trump lost this... Because here's what you're kind of employing. Trump lost the election. He is such an amazing communicator and he's convinced this loyal base that there was election interference. We don't want them to protest how we can end this is if we encourage people to go beyond protesting to essentially go into the Capitol and take a shit in the hallway. I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit.

1:24:41But like, I don't see why that would be of use. Like I'm more suspicious why Trump didn't call for backup when, you know, for the Capitol police. You know what I mean? It's like, there was... And that like Michael Flynn's brother was... You know what I mean? There's way more conspiracy stuff against Trump. And then I think the slim likelihood that people were like, oh, Trump's a problem. Let's just get these people that are loyal to Trump to run into the Capitol so that we can arrest 300 people. Does that make sense? No. No, it doesn't make sense. No, I think it's a standard tactic, especially when someone is the enemy of the intelligence agencies.

1:25:37With Trump, that's absolutely the case. Trump set himself up against the intelligence agencies. He did it openly and he did it brazenly. And a lot of people think it's very dangerous. Like the intelligence agencies are very important. You know, you want to find out what's going on in other countries. You want to find out what the threats to America are. You want to find out what terrorist activities are going to be taking place and stop them before. Ben, you know, JFK had a head problem with the intelligence agencies. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's unchecked power, right? That's the deep state.

1:26:06It's unchecked power. And I think Trump was very open about his disdain for the intelligence agencies. He created enemies in the intelligence agencies. It's standard for intelligence agencies in this country to encourage agent provocateurs or to employ agent provocateurs. And so you're saying when he was in Helsinki and he was saying, I believe Putin more than my intelligence community. That was something the intelligence community was like, we're going to get him. Well, I think they were going to get him in any way that they could because he's an enemy of the intelligence agencies. And he was openly talking about them being incompetent and being corrupt.

1:26:48And he, you know, he fired Komi and, you know, he was against the FBI. And you know, look, it's a very dangerous thing. You talk to people that are intelligence agencies. Like it's a very dangerous thing for a president to be at war with the intelligence agencies and to do it so publicly. And I think it's without a doubt when you have a gigantic, massive protest that a lot of people think is a threat to democracy. You have these people that are saying the election was rigged and they're on the Capitol lawn, they're screaming and yelling. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they would encourage people to do things that were unlawful.

1:27:24Instead of peacefully protesting, which is whatever it was doing on the outside, which is totally legal to take that and escalate it to entering into the Capitol. Now you can lock things down. And now you have real clear evidence that this president is responsible for this insurrection attempt. And this is dangerous. This is a threat to our democracy. And he's never going to be president again. And we're going to indict him. We're going to go after him. We're going to do all these different things. I think it's not like there's a lot of shenanigans going on on both sides. It's not like a clear cut.

1:27:58Like he shouldn't have done that. And they should have done this. It's like there's a lot of fuckery. And there's a lot that's been going on throughout history. Whenever people have unchecked power and unchecked influence and they have enemies. And Trump was their enemy. Yeah, but I just... And I'm not saying that there isn't... It's kind of like... Did you see the hearings when they were grilling the FBI's to whether or not they had intelligence agencies there? I probably saw some of that. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, but instead of saying no, we don't do that. That's illegal. They said we can't answer that.

1:28:36Yeah, but I think even... And again, I'm not saying that there isn't corruption on both sides. But like in the end, for me personally, it's like when people complain about Biden's age or his cognitive decline or whatever, I'm like the alternative to me is not acceptable. It's an alternative to being Donald Trump. Yes. And what's least acceptable about that is opposed to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and all the corruption that we know for sure. Well, I think... Joe Biden's relationship with his son or who obviously struggles with addiction. I mean, look, half of our friend struggle with addiction.

1:29:20It's like, you know, he's a compassionate father. Is there some of that like some, you know, let's make some money with our influence after we left office or... What during office? Or we were when we were senators, stuff like that. Is there some of that? Yeah. It seems like there's a lot of that. But compared to Trump, compared to like Jared getting a $2 billion contract, compared to like, you know, like even the documents, like the documents that like Biden had or or pens had versus like Trump literally showing the documents. Some of them being of, I think we're going to find out being really inconsequential.

1:30:13I'm not saying he was selling him. I'm not saying I don't know if he was, you know, it was like a big swinging dick move. I think that's different than, you know, pens having some documents in his house that he shouldn't have. But, you mean, pens are Biden. Pants had documents, but I think anybody's really concentrating on pens. But like, by the way, I do want to make clear that I do have the approach of like, I could find something out and be like, all right, but like there is part of me that's like, it's very little doubt in my mind that that Trump is the most corrupt and, you know, you know, was, you know, like just the, you know, it's not, you know, like Andrew Jackson was like, you know, did horrible things.

1:31:09But like, I don't begrudge someone having kind of like kick ass and take, take no prisoners kind of attitude. It's, you know, it's not the style. It's just, I think that there's repeated corruption. I mean, like I just repeated corruption with the Biden administration. The corruption with his son. First of all, his son struggling with addiction. That's not my concern. I mean, it sucks. It sucks when if you have a kid that's hooked on crack and is a fucking complete disaster and he pulls himself out of it. Congratulations for him. That's not what I mean. It's the corruption. It's the clear influence by foreign agents and foreign.

1:31:48You don't think Trump has more corruption. I don't think there's evidence that same way that there's evidence right now because of the laptop and because of the recorded conversations. There's real evidence that they were getting money from other countries. What about Trump University? What about, oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that he's clean. I'm not saying that he's clean, but I'm saying to dismiss the Biden Trump. But you think that Biden's way more guilty of corruption than Trump? I'm not saying that. You're saying there he will. I'm saying they're both corrupt.

1:32:17And I'm saying that to say that Biden is like the good, that was like what everybody thought when he got into office. Finally, the adults are in the room now, but that's not really true. And nothing really changed that much once they got in there. It's not what it's not like what everybody would like. There's a good guy and a bad guy. I think there's two bad guys. And I think there's corruption that exists in big business and in government that is on a scale that we probably would get violently ill if we found out the actual numbers. And what really is going on in terms of influence and how decisions get made and about how certain people become immune to prosecution and certain people become.

1:32:59So you have free abstinence. There's a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. The F -seem thing is fucking nuts. It's nuts that they put that woman in jail for sex trafficking to no one. Who are the people? There's no list. You have no idea. There's no disclosure. But the fact that no one's asking for that and the people that were involved in these crimes have never been brought to justice or even discussed. And it's just something that just gets swept under the table. There's no outcry. There's no like there's no people demanding an investigation to find out what the fuck happened. There's real clear evidence that he was murdered.

1:33:35And everyone's trying to say it was, oh, it was just suicide. You know, no big deal. And the camera didn't work. No big deal. Whatever. It's over. Let's not talk about it anymore. That's nuts. That's crazy. There's clear evidence that they did that in front of everybody's face. They killed that guy. He knew too much. And now. Who do you think killed him? As you step right into a life of fucking us. Who fucking knows? I mean, the cameras were off. Who knows? They probably said it in an assassin. Who fucking strangled him? And then made it look like it was some kind of a suicide attempt. Yeah. Wow.

1:34:12I mean, it's pretty obvious that that's what they did. Yeah. I mean, Michael Badden, the autopsy doctor from the HBO series. Yeah. He investigated the autopsy and he said the contusions, the ligature marks on his neck were indicative of someone being strangled. He also said the break of the bones or the type of break that happens when someone's being strangled, not when someone's being hung. When you're hung, it's your body weight that is hanging you, right? So it's usually on the upper side of your neck because you're like, look, your weight is hanging you down. But this was down on the bottom of his neck where he's getting fucking strangled by somebody.

1:34:48And the bones in his neck were broken, which is what happens when you get strangled and it doesn't happen when you get hung. Yeah. It's just physical evidence that shows that he was murdered. There's also all the circumstantial evidence, like the cameras being off is fucking ridiculous. The fact that he was left with, he was on suicide watch and he didn't ever roommate and stuff like that. There's a lot. There's a lot going on with that. Why do you suppose that? Cause there's some situations that can lead to conspiracy. But that one's pretty flat footed, right? Where it's, you know, it's obviously dirty.

1:35:30Why do you think that we do not have as a society an appetite for wanting to see clarity around that? I think it's the same thing why no one's paying attention to the UFO thing. I think we're inundated with so much information. There's so much going on. There's the Ukraine war. There's climate change. There's this. There's that. There's wildfires. There's fucking pollution in the ocean. It's like it's constant. There's always something to be freaked out about. Oh, these people are dropping like flies and the myocarditis and how much of it is climate change and how much of his vaccine injury and how much of it is this.

1:36:07And then there's new medications that are coming out to deal with this and that. What are the side effects of those? And there's new corruption here and new there and crypto and financial and sand, backman free's released. And it's where we're just overwhelmed with information. And I think we just like, new cycles like three seconds. It's in and out and then there's a new football player. And then yeah, there's like occasionally there's an interesting take on that. Yeah. And then people are like, wow, that was a great article. So I've seen didn't kill them, didn't kill themselves. Anyway, what else?

1:36:38Yeah. Well, there's, there was, you know, there's so much debate about the lab leak theory and that keeps people occupied. There's so much debate about funding, gain of function research whether or not Fauci lied to Congress, which it appears he did. There's so much, there's so much to freak out about. You really, unless you're one of those people, like you only concentrate on one, you're a climate change guy and you concentrate on one specific thing and that's all you focus on all the time, you're overwhelmed, you're overwhelmed by constant new threats, constant new distractions and dangers and things to freak out about and you're overwhelmed with anxiety and existential angst.

1:37:17It says, it's hard. We're not designed to deal with the information that comes from eight billion people. We're designed to deal with local stuff. Like what's going on in my town? Yeah. What's happening in the country? You know, so that's the big local. The big community is the country. And then the rest of the world is like, what's happening in Argentina? Like what's going on in Nicaragua? Like what is it? But it's just fucking thrown at you all day long. Constantly, the cartels, the borders, porous, fentanyls coming in. Bar! It's title 42, and Lord Jesus Christ. You can't get a break unless you disconnect and unless you're off of social media and unless you're not reading the news and just trying to exist with the minimum amount of information coming out you possible.

1:38:06You're overwhelmed. Yeah. You're overwhelmed. I'm totally a news junkie. Me too. And there is, and it was one of the, because I used to just watch ESPN every night and then my wife was like, I hate ESPN so I'm like, all right. So then we'll watch news. You have to watch stuff together. And now she's like full date line, right? You know, like, which is like the history channel for women, right? And so, but like the news, and I also know that like consuming too much news is not healthy, right? Because that's come some of my outrage machine, right? And it's understanding different kind of things that don't line up, right?

1:38:54And, but I do feel like we almost, you and I both have this same suspicion, but like we're coming from two different sides, which is fascinating. What side do you think I'm coming from? I think you are more likely to think that Biden is Satan and I'm more likely to think that Trump is Satan. I think Biden is a product of a very corrupt business that has been corrupt for a long time and he's just not that good at being discreet about it, not that good at covering it. I also think, you know, when he bragged about getting the prosecutor fired in Ukraine, I think he's just a guy that has a lot of like, I fucking show them, I'll show them and it's dumb.

1:39:37And I think that's why a lot of his stuff gets exposed. I don't think he's evil incarnate. I think he's one of those people that is in charge of government and has been in that business, entrenched in that business forever. I think it's a deeply corrupting business because it's so overwhelmingly corrupted by financial interests and by business and, you know, contracts and military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical industrial complex and there's so much influence. And there's so many lobbyists and there's so much going on. There's so many deals being brokered. I think he's a product of that.

1:40:12I think Trump is a businessman who for sure has been involved in some shady shit. You know, the Trump University thing is a good one. But he's also a guy that was a Democrat most of his life and he's also a guy that knows how gross that system is. You know, and he was, you know, he was a part of it until he became a president and then he's an outsider. And I don't think that... And he's a master entertainer. Yeah. I mean, it's hilarious, dude. A master at it. Like that debate where he brought in Paula Jones and after the, you know, him on the bus for access Hollywood. I mean, there's very few people that have walked this earth that have been able to, there would be able to navigate that situation the way he did.

1:41:03That was, and some of it's, you know, having ice in your blood. You know what I mean? Being this larger than life character. It's just like, wow, just everyone who watched that were like, what did we just see? What is winning now? Yeah, he was just down by 20 points two seconds ago. Right. And so there is, because I think that Trump and Biden will not be the nominees. I think it's a long way off. I think that I do think that, you know, what do I know? But I'm just, some of it is just kind of like, you know, it's the sport of politics, but I don't think that it's, I think if Trump goes down, I think Biden's like, I'm out.

1:41:55And so who takes this place? Well, I mean, I don't think he quits, but I think he goes, I'm not, I think then someone's like, we don't need you to run. Hmm. I think that's why he's running is because he's the only one that could beat Trump. Man, I wonder. On the Democratic side. Well, by the way, it's like, or the Republican side. None of these Republicans is as well light as they are or how well they kind of work the outrage machine. They can't compete with him. Well, I think Ron DeSantis is finding that out, that he can't compete with him. You know, that, you know, I think he was so successful and so loved as the governor of Florida, the poll to everybody through the COVID crisis, that he was gonna take this no nonsense, you know, conservative approach, and then run the country in a good way, and everyone's gonna get back to, well, the way America used to be.

1:42:47He was gonna be a strict dad. Yeah, right. But it doesn't seem like he can compete against the Trump machine, and people are angry at him now. Republicans are angry at him now for going against Trump. Yeah. And so that's not a good spot to be in. You don't wanna be on the opposite side of the Trump machine, you're Republican. Oh, that poor fuck. What did you see that interview that you did with Tucker Carlson? He was talking about the demise of the cities in America and all the problems that we have in America, and he said, that's not my concern. And they're like, that's, you're done. You just fucked up.

1:43:19That's it. No one cares about you now. Now, like he literally killed his campaign with that one conversation with Tucker Carlson. Well, it would have been a miracle for him too. I mean, I just think as someone, you know, like in the entertainment industry, you eat a lot of shit. You, you know, you, you know, comedy clubs getting on stage, you know, the owner just being a dick to you. But like Mike Pence, seeing those gallows, his kids were visiting. He was like running. He was life was in danger. He knew like I can't get in that car. And he's, what are you talking about? Mike Pence, like when he was, when they were taking him away from the Capitol, they were like, he refused to get in the car because there was an expectation that like, the secret service was gonna take him away from the Capitol so that they couldn't complete the, the, what he was supervising on January 6th.

1:44:23Well, there was people that were looking for him. Yeah, no, they wanted to attack him. There was tons of those, but like he, so like essentially Nancy Pelosi and the head of Congress in the Senate, they were taken away from the Capitol. And Mike Pence, there was a car downstairs and they're like, we're gonna take you away. And he's like, I'm not getting in that car because if they take, if he got in that car and he, they were like, they were, you know, they took him to like, I don't know, Pennsylvania, then they couldn't complete the, the one of the tactics was not certifying the votes. Right.

1:45:00That was the tactic. So if he could, so that's where he had this self discipline to go. I'm not getting in that car. I need to certify the votes. But the fact that he was almost killed and that people were sickened on him. And then he's like, you know, I don't know if, Trump should be indicted, you know. Like that's where I'm kind of like, I've eaten so much shit and I've kissed so much ass, but I am not, I've not come close to what Mike Pence is. That's where ambition was more important than certain self dignity. Yeah, I'm not aware that, I'm not aware that there's the facts behind that at all.

1:45:41But I do don't, I don't think that anyone's gonna vote for him for president. No. He just not a presidential guy. He's not a guy that you think of as a leader. He just seemed very weird. Yeah, well, it's just, he was, they put him on the ticket because he was gonna get the evangelicals. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I think he is a man of faith. And, but he's also, I mean, they're all politicians. It's like, you know, when, you know, you talk about any politician, Barack, you know, Clinton, it's like people like, yeah, they're politicians. I'm like, yeah, that's what they do. That's what they do. Do you know what I mean?

1:46:19It's like, it's not, it's not like, it's like saying an agent, you know, an agent takes 10%. I'm like, yeah, that's, they're an agent. They help you get jobs and they get 10%. That's why they do it. Yeah. You know, that's their job. They want their cut. Yeah, it helps you. Yeah. It's a business. That's how it works. All those things work together. Yeah. If you have a bad agent, you think your agent's just taking money and not doing any work, well, then you got an argument. Yeah. But yeah, I think that there's no one that stands out other than RFK. He stands out to me as being very unique. But, and who's that gentleman, Vivek?

1:46:58How do you say his last name? The Indian guy who's running as a Republican? Yeah. Young guy. Very interesting. Very interesting. How has, have you had him on the show? No, I haven't. I haven't talked to him. But I'm impressed with his ability to talk about complex situations. Ramaswamy. Ramaswamy. Ramaswamy. Ramaswamy. Vivek Ramaswamy. Very, very smart guy. He's young. He's very young guy. I mean, how old is he? 37. Not very young. Only two years older than you, like the cutoff, like it's 35, right? You can't be younger than 35. I don't know if I want a 37 -year -old guy running the country. Seems a little young.

1:47:36Yeah, no. But he's super intelligent and very interesting. And he could perhaps be a guy that would bring hope to rational conservatives in the future. Yeah. It's interesting, because we are in this age where there is, he's kind of rising above some of that cultural stuff, right? Or he's intending to. Yeah. Yeah. The cultural stuff is fucking crazy. And it's also, you know, that's exacerbated by social media too. And it's also exacerbated by trolls, like people that are hired to stir up shit and hire it to get people at each of those throats. Yeah. Yeah. And it's where I'll be manipulated. All of us, everyone, constantly, all day long.

1:48:23There's so many pieces of evidence of interference, where it's not just discourse where people are just discussing things online. There's people that are hired to take egregious, ridiculous positions and fight against other people and say horrible things and attack people. They're doing it on purpose. And they're doing it to try to disrupt rational conversation and rational disagreements where people could possibly come to some sort of a reasonable conclusion. All right. How is the Russian Ukraine conflict going to end? Yeah. Since we are unqualified to talk about all this. But we'll talk about more things from unqualified.

1:49:06What is going to happen besides the end of the world? The end of the world is the scary one, right? It's like when, when the Wagner group was marching towards Russia, I was like, holy shit. I know. Well, by the way, that guy was the, whatever his name is, he's in Russia. And he's like, like, I thought he'd be dead by now. Yeah. He's like in Russia. There was like a photograph of him. And so like, he's got his own army. I know, but like wild. I don't know. There he is. Yeah. He was a progoian. Progoian. Yeah. Yeah. There was a photograph of him. Yeah. Right there. Wow. Appears in the sidelines of Russia, Africa, summer in St.

1:49:53Petersburg. Wow. Paramountal to groups founder has continued being seen at events in Russia, despite supposedly agreeing exile in Belarus. Yeah. I mean, there's a power struggle going on there. And that guy is a billionaire with his own private army, which is wild. That you couldn't, you know, he seems like a Simpsons storyline. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like I work for the president. I cater his meals. Then I pitch I run my own army. And then because I think the Wagner group, essentially in all of Africa, they, it's the Wagner group. It's not even the Russian army. Really? You know that.

1:50:38Yeah. Yeah. It's like, because they, they did all the stuff in Syria and stuff like that. So it's, you know, it's this mercenary army, which is, by the way, not that unique. So like, I, you know, when I worked on Peter Pan, you know, you get into the pirate thing. And the, the British Navy was the reason they were, they ended up with this great Navy is because they hired a bunch of pirates too. Like they were like, hey, we're fighting the French. You want to work for us? And they're like, yeah, right. All right. You can have some of Jamaica. Hey, we're a fighting spain. Do you want to? And they're like, yeah.

1:51:18All right. They're like, all right. You can have some of, you know, we'll make you a lord. You know what I mean? It's like, it's just, it's a very American thing too. It's like these, you know, the, the, you know, the criminals or, or you see this with billionaires. And I'm not applying this to Musk, but like all these billionaires, like they achieve incredible success, right? And you know that they're kind of like squashing other companies. And then they're kind of like, all right. Now I've got to redeem myself. You know, like Carnegie did it, Gettie did it, you know. Philanthropy. You know, it's like, let's scrub up that perception.

1:52:00Yeah. Hey, how about a terrific acting school? How about the most beautiful building on 50th Street in Manhattan? You know, how about a museum? And, you know, it's just it cleans up some tactics that were, you know, probably questionable. There's definitely a lot of that. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of shitty things going on, all simultaneously happening. And you know, we're supposed to be the beacon of democracy for the world. We're supposed to be the greatest example of the experiment of self -government, the world's ever known. And we're being influenced and manipulated left and right constantly.

1:52:44I mean, there's, there's commute. There's this one group that is pretty, Jennifer Lawrence does this thing. It's like some kind of, I worked with Ed Helms. And there's this, it's this nonpartisan group that is all about, you know, like for instance, getting rid of gerrymandering, you know, ring choice voting, you know, some of the andryang stuff. It's like all this nonpartisan things that conservatives and liberals and moderates, essentially, all, you know, because essentially what's happening now is that 70 % of the American public will want one thing to happen. And our government officials will not do it because they're so beholden to special interests.

1:53:43And so it's like we really don't have a representative democracy. Right. It's pretty scary. It is scary. Yeah. It's money. You have to take money out of politics. And how do you do that? Like imagine trying to go in there and untangle that back of wires. Right. Or saying, you know, next, next presidential election is only going to be six weeks. And then the TV places are going to be like, but with that, there's commercials. We make all our money. Yeah. You know, it's, so it's kind of two sides of it. It's like, it's also like the pharmaceutical commercials, you know, they are, I think they're only legal in the US and New Zealand.

1:54:23Yeah. New Zealand's far more restrictive than the US too. But if they got rid of them, yeah. Hey, all right. We got it. I guess we got to get rid of half our channels. Well, they probably would and that probably would be good. And then it would be the rise of independent news sources and real journalism, which you're seeing more on the internet now than you're seeing in mainstream media. You know, independent news sources on the internet are far more reliable, in my opinion, than what you're seeing on Fox News or on NSMS NBC is what you get on those is, you know, sanctioned propaganda. And when you get on independent channels is people that don't have a vested interest.

1:55:03They're not being controlled by corporate interest. And they have the ability to whether it's guys like Jimmy Doer or whether it's breaking points, they have the ability to talk about things in a complex way and look at it on them on both sides and find out what what the influence is and where the corruption is. And talk about it publicly and openly. And because of that, because this is the these are the only sources that are available now is independent sources where people are individuals that you can trust because you know they don't lie. They might have their biases, but they're not being influenced by corporations.

1:55:34Yeah. But like I do sit there and I think the lesson of Fox News is I remember when the Fox News kind of rose and they were, you know, like they started with the mainstream media kind of language is that what I learned is, oh, it's impossible for a human being, whether it be Walter Cronkite or Jesse Waters to deliver a sentence of news information without kind of having their personality. They're, it's impossible for it to be completely objective. Do you know, I mean, even the most boring newscaster, it's like, well, now they're downplaying this riot. You know, there was a riot. You're, because CNN used to be like that.

1:56:20It used to be a very talky head, right? And, but I don't know, it's weird because I think it's hard to, for something to be completely objective. It's very hard. It's almost impossible. Well, one of the things about breaking points with Crystal and Saga is that Saga is conservative and crystal is liberal and the two of them have differing opinions, but respectfully and educated. Yeah. And they talk about things from a fact -based perspective. You know, and that, and when did, when has that existed on mainstream news? You don't have, like, you just have crossing points, you know, there's, there's a few of those shows.

1:56:59I'm a Glockland group. Yeah, there's a few of those shows where they'd have like one dorky conservative or one person in the middle. But I said then, they're, they'd have to do the quips, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, there's the problem with those shows too is that they're very limited in time, right? So, if you have a guest on and you have one segment with that guest, you have seven minutes to discuss the complications of NATO encroaching on Russia and how much of an influence that had on Putin invading Ukraine, it's complicated. You'd have to go into the coup, the organized coup that was probably funded by the United States in 2014.

1:57:33You'd have to go into the fact that we've been delivering arms to that. Like, there's a lot of shit that you would have to unwrap the influence and the amount of time that you would need to do that is hours and hours and probably multiple episodes. Instead, they have to jam it all into five minutes and then we'll be right back with cute cats. We'll be right back with, you know, here's a new thing that you should take. Here's a new study that shows that, you know, obesity could be conquered by this. And it's like, are carrots bad for you? Yeah. It's always sound like you're like, I got to find it, if carrots are bad for me.

1:58:07I doubt it. Oh, he's had a feeling carrots were bad. Carrot juice is supposed to be not that great for you. Really? Yeah, it's supposed to be juice. That's the problem with, carrot juice is very high in sugar. Juice is delicious, but carrot juice is fucking delicious. Oh, it's great. Like organic carrot juice, like, door right out of the thing. Ginger. Oh, it's a level. Yeah. What is, so like, why, given that, like, we know that juice is like orange juice, I like grapefruit juice. It's so funny. I do material on something and then I end up liking it. I like hiking now and now I like grapefruit juice.

1:58:42It's like, it's so annoying. But like orange juice and grapefruit juice, tomato juice, it's all, you're just drinking sugar. Yeah. So it's like, why is there when you go to, you know, breakfast, it's still there. Yeah. And by the way, I like it. Well, it's the same reason why pancake is there. Pancakes are there because people like them. And the fact that cereal still exists, when we know that's the worst thing to feed a trial. Right? Just sugar and shitty carbohydrates. Right? Yeah. It's like, I'm such a, I always feel like such a hero when I like get my kids to eat eggs and bacon and there's no bread or anything.

1:59:29I'm like, I did it. Yeah. They just had protein. They had healthy fats. And then they go and they just probably can't eat. Yeah. Orange juice, like a big 16 ounce glass of orange juice, that's so alien. Like there's no other time when you're eating food naturally that you get that kind of a dose of sugar. Like how much sugar is in, let's Google this. How much sugar is in a 16 ounce glass of fresh squeezed orange juice? I bet it's extraordinary. I bet the amount of oranges you'd have to eat to get that sugar. And again, when you're eating an orange, you're eating it with the pulp and the fiber and it's it digests more slowly.

2:00:05It's more natural. It's normal. It's the way your your body likes fruit because fruit is delicious because it tricks your body into eating it and then you eat the seeds, you shit them out and then the seeds grow and then plants grow. That's the whole nature cussle. Yeah. That's why fruit so good for you. It's filled with vitamins. We got two answers. Okay. First answer says 16 ounce glasses, 37 grams. But then right below it, I see 24 grams per eight ounces. So that's going to be 40, 48. So a lot, that's a shit ton of sugar. So like if you saw that on the back of a can of spaghetti, I should be like, raw mad.

2:00:43Right. That's not good. It's all sugar. But you would never be that much sugar in a can of spaghetti. That's a shit ton of sugar. That's like more, what is, okay. What is how much sugar is in a coke? Yeah. 16 ounce. That's about what it is. It's the same thing. So your body, other than getting vitamin C, is getting the same kind of sugar dose that you get from a glass of soda. Wow. Yeah. That's not good. It's not good. It's delicious. Not bad every now and again. There's a can of spaghetti. 11 grams of the can of spaghetti. Wow, that's a lot. But that's not 48. That's not 12 ounces. Yeah. Right.

2:01:21Yeah. Yeah. You know, oh, it's only 14 ounces, 15 .8 ounces. Oh, 15 .8 ounces. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So 11 ounces in the same period. So it's healthier to eat. It's better for you to drink a glass of wine. Yeah. And wild. Isn't that wild? Well, then you're also getting the sugar from the wheat that's getting processed, the pasta in your body. Yeah. What about gluten -free pasta? Because during the pandemic, you were like, we had a bread and sugar and you know what it is. And so when I would cheat and I would have like gluten free pizza, and by the way, you bring that up to an Italian, they're like, we don't do gluten free pizza.

2:02:01Yeah. But like if you have gluten free pizza or gluten free pasta, is that better or am I just kidding myself? It really depends on what it's made out of. Now if you have a gluten sensitivity, like two of my kids have gluten sensitivities. One of them is like, really has a problem with gluten. It's just swollen, so it just feels like shit. Like bad stomach aches. If you do that, yeah, it's gluten free pasta is better, because they can eat gluten free pasta and then don't have any problems. But it's also what you're interested in is, and many people talk about this, when you go to Italy and you eat pasta over there, you don't have the same reaction.

2:02:37Because they don't have the same bread, they don't have the same wheat. They have heirloom wheat. So their wheat has never been genetically modified. They have the same wheat they've had for hundreds of years. So when you eat bread and pasta, it's not the best thing in the world for you, but it does not have the same effect on your body. I don't have this overwhelming feeling of like inflammation and grossness that I have when I eat American pasta. Because American pasta, what they've done, is modified the wheat for higher yield with smaller grain. So you're saying you don't love your country?

2:03:10That's what I'm saying. Now, but it's like, why? But we could go around so many different things. And I'm not talking about, you know, in World War II, you know, they had to make cheese slices in a large quantity so that they could give them to all the soldiers. That's why we have sliced American cheese and stuff like that. But like, why does it seem with every food item that America is kind of, you know, it's, by the way, if Americans care about money, it's like, you're going to pay at the end. You know, like, you know, it's like... You're not the same people pay. Same people don't pay at the end.

2:03:50So it's all money. It's all money. It's higher yield. It's more money. But we're going to have to pay for medical costs. Right, but they're not paying. Other people are paying. Okay. So the people that are involved in the industry that makes wheat, makes corn, makes these different things. All they're thinking about is maximizing profits. So in the pursuit of maximizing profits, they create an item that's worse for your health. And they don't care. So it's up to you. So as long as there's other options, as long as other options are readily available, it's up to you to decide to only eat things that aren't modified and aren't bad for you, and aren't filled with pesticides, eating organic, eating healthier stuff.

2:04:26But if it's a corporation, a corporation's obligation is to their shareholders. Yeah. So they have to continue to make more money and they make decisions that would maximize profit. And in doing so, a lot of times, they're making a product that's worse for your health than the original product. But it lasts on the shelf longer. You had higher yield for acreage. And that's what they do. It's all money. Now there's certain people that have recognized that and have changed their farms. Like I had Will Harris from White Oaks Pastures on the podcast, The Fascinating Guy. And he had an industrial farm that his family was running forever.

2:05:04And over the course of 20 years, converted it to a regenerative farm and a natural farm where it's all organic and no pesticides, no herbicides. And they have a problem with some sort of invasive insect. They bring in another insect to kill the insects. That's nothing I did. Biggest little farm document. That's an amazing. Is that Joe Salatin? Is Joe Salatin the biggest little farm that's a guy from Polyphase Farms, who's also a regenerative agricultural expert who I've also had on the podcast. This guy who did this, I think he was like a DP and his wife. They lived in LA. But it's by the way, it's really fascinating because that's the whole thing of like, okay, you've got a snail problem.

2:05:48Buy some ducks and let the ducks in there. Yes. You've got, okay, you've got a wolf problem. Well, don't kill the wolves. Because if you don't kill the wolves, then you're going to have all these gophers. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's full circle of life things in the farm. Yeah. Well, the way Will Harris describes it, he's like essentially you're reproducing nature in a controlled environment. So instead of applying pesticides and herbicides and chemicals and toxins, which leads to horrific runoff, like one of the things that we've showed on this podcast multiple times is they documented how their farm is connected to industrialized farms.

2:06:25The industrialized farm right next to it. And the river runs through both properties. But there is a clear line where the runoff from this industrial farm is just this brown pollutants that's going into the river because it's industrial fertilizer. And on his side, the water's clear. Because on his side, he doesn't use any of that stuff. And they have fertile topsoil. Because during the regenerative farming practices of using manure, the cows only eat grass. And that this all creates its own natural fertilizer. And then you have the pigs, which are roaming and foraging. And you have the chickens that are roaming and foraging.

2:07:07And then you grow the vegetables with that manure as fertilizer. And then everything sort of has this place. And it recreates what a natural environment would be. It's just contained. It's just fenced in and many, many, many acres. And it's all like this recreation of nature. That's a natural method. That's a story -less living. Yeah, that's what we're supposed to be eating. And you know, Russia has banned GMO foods. Well, I feel like Europe has done that too. They should. And we should probably do it here. And then by the way, genetically modified doesn't necessarily mean bad. You know, there's been genetic modifications that have led to superior nutrition.

2:07:47And I think that's the case with, I believe it's golden rice or it's more nutritious, more protein rich rice. And it led to many more people not dying of famine and starvation. There's different things that can be done to foods that make them superior. You know, it's not all negative. But pesticides and herbicides, like on whole, like pretty much are terrible. And they're terrible because they're poison. They kill weeds. They kill bugs. Well, they're also, they're also, you know, and I just know this from just from my limit experience in gardening. It's just the quick fix. It's not even the fix.

2:08:27So it's like if you have aphids, you should just get lady bugs. Right. But that brings us back. But that brings us back to money. Because what is the cheapest way to do this is going to get the highest yield. Well, the highest yield is genetically modified, organized with the pesticides and herbicides. Yeah. And then you just get massive amounts of crops, a monocrop agriculture, which is totally unnatural. It's totally unnatural to have a thousand acres of just corn growing in a place. It doesn't happen in the wild. Well, I think it was also the sapiens. There was something also about farming that, you know, all right, so you could feed a lot of people where we had the corn and we had the potatoes.

2:09:07But that's all they ate was the potatoes. They didn't eat anything else. Whereas like before that, before farming, people would forage. Yeah. There was a variety to the diet. If you had food, the else had a lot of starvation. Because sometimes you weren't successful. And then, you know, they would have climate issues or issues with crops dying and then you're fucked. Well, by the way, so like, you're only supposed to have one meal a day, right? Well, it's an even like post -eat meal. It's the most important meal that's all BS. That's all BS. That's all the food pyramid. That's all kind of a...

2:09:45Food pyramid is definitely more than it. Well, the food pyramid's horseshit because of the bottom of it is all green. You know, that's just bullshit. But that's what they thought at one point in time that that was like the staple of a good diet. It's not a conspiracy. They thought that that was the way to do it, you know, and they were taught that in school, but that was the way to do it. You know, they just, they got bad information. And now we understand that's probably not the way to do it. And the right way to do it is to eat real food, to eat real organic vegetables, real organic meat and fish.

2:10:14And then, you know, the fish thing, it's like how much mercury poisoning is in the fish? How much heavy metal toxins are in the fish? Like, what kind of environment will these fish growing up in? You know, there's like, if you eat a lot of fish, you can get sick. Like, there's people that have gotten sick from eating too much sushi. Yeah. It's crazy. It's just, and there's just also just so much, there used to be so many fish. And I don't know if you've seen that map of like just the Gulf of Mexico. It's like devastated. We've, I don't know what the numbers are. Let's find out what percentage of fish have been removed from the ocean over the last 50 years.

2:10:56Let's find that out. Well, by the way, when I, when I wrote this book about, I had all these jokes on oysters and how they were. Because you know that Long Island, oyster bay, it was called oyster bay because there were oysters everywhere. And so like, when people would come to New York City, when they, when people would go to Boston, they'd get lobster, when they come to New York City, they'd get clams and oysters. And now it's like, but we just gobbled through all the oysters on Long Island. And I think that like worldwide, we've eaten through 90 % of the clams and oysters that existed. Isn't that unbelievable?

2:11:36It's insane because it happened so quickly. We think humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. And over the last few decades, we ate all the clams. Yeah, just like all of them. All the lobster. And also all the fish, you know, I played this character that worked at a fish refineride and realized it. All the streams, all the lakes, they're just farmed fish. Because we destroyed the ecosystems in these things where we gobbled up all the fish, so then we have to put like, bass into these lakes that I don't even know if they were there. 2048, no more fish. Oh my god. The current state of overfishing continues.

2:12:16The world's oceans will be emptied for fish by 2048. What? Wow. Is that real? I mean, it's pretty close. Oceans are massively overfished. Only 15 % of the world's fisheries are relatively good condition. The remaining 85 % are fully or over exploited, depleted, or in a fragile state of recovery from exploitation. There are no signs of things improving. The planet's fishing fleet is two to three times larger than what oceans can support. Wow, 97 .4 % of Pacific Bluffin tuna gone. Holy shit. Right. Just there, the Bluffin tuna are at just 2 .6 % of its historic population. Holy fuck. By 2050, there could be more plastic than fish in the world's ocean measured by weight.

2:13:11Wow. Yeah, I mean, it's, but there's, it's the fish eating the plastic. Yeah. That is the... Well, it's also the pollution. I mean, that we've had a boy and slot on the podcast. He's a young man who created an invention to siphon the plastic out of the water to filter the plastic out of the water. And then they take that plastic and make things out of it. They make like eye glasses and stuff like that out of it. It's pretty interesting because he's got this machine that goes over the Pacific garbage patch that giant, fucking enormous size of the state of Texas. And they just scoop up this plastic and then they carry it out.

2:13:54And then they take that plastic and convert it into usable goods. I mean, that's where... I don't understand the emeritus. There's this ocean cleanup thing. So he has this machine that they... He's a really young guy. I mean, I think he made this invention when he was 19 years old. It's brilliant, brilliant guy. We've had him on twice, right? Yeah. But salute to him. So this machine and they've refined it over the years. They've employed multiple ones of it now. And they're using them to clean up oceans and rivers. And they just scoop up the plastic and they take that plastic and recycle it. There is a certain cynicism because like somebody is like...

2:14:33And then we're going to find out, you know, it's like... And then that... What they're doing is they're creating a... Accidentally creating a monster. That's good. Because there... But like there is so much human ingenuity. I can't figure... I can't understand why... Because there's also water shortage. Why we can't... You know, the three -fourths of the planet is... Or maybe I don't know, five -eighths or whatever. It's water. But it's salt water, right? So how... And like the water writes thing... It's like we can't figure out how to get the salt out of the water. But we certainly can. But it's too expensive, right?

2:15:13I don't know. I don't know why they haven't done that. I know that California was work on desalination plants. And that was something that was discussed. I mean, if anybody needs water, it's fucking California. Right. Yeah. I mean, what about Phoenix? Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, if they could figure that out, we'd probably drain the water out of the ocean within 50 years. And they'd be like, there's no more water left in the ocean. And they'd be like, giant fucking water parks in Kansas.

2:15:40Interior oceans or... We want to see whales in Nebraska. And they'd have a fucking whale park. Well, now some of it is if we could, you know, like fresh water is so key. Yeah. But I guess, do you think that there is something of the environmental crisis that people have an attitude of like, yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out at the end. I think it's like what we were talking about earlier with so many things to think about. There's so much going on. And there's a few people that concentrate on one issue in particular. And then for the vast majority of us, there's just this fucking menu of things to freak out about.

2:16:25Right. And you just get overwhelmed. And you have your own problems. And you have your own life. And you have, you know, a husband or a wife and kids and a mortgage and a job and a this and that. And family problems and fucking, you like to play bingo on Friday night. Whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. You got a lot going on. Like, how much can you really pay attention to? It's just... Boy, we're a little Debbie down around the show, aren't we? No, let's say it's... Today, so I think it's fascinating. Somebody's like cleaning their garage. They're listening to it. It's definitely fascinating. It's fascinating that we find ourselves in this very unusual time in human history.

2:16:59It's a very unusual time where we're overwhelmed by information or overwhelmed by problems, but also overwhelmed by innovation. And things seem to be changing. It's insanely rapid pace. We have more access to information that's ever been available for. People know more about more things than they ever have before. And if you choose to really concentrate on things too in richer intelligence and your acquiring of information, you could really have a pretty fascinating life today. But we're also overwhelmed by fear and anxiety and social media and health problems, and this and that and port diet and environmental concerns.

2:17:35And are we leaving behind a world for our kids? And there's so much to freak out about. But there's also so much beauty and joy. There's more art and music and comedy than ever before. The music, rather than the movie industry, is fucked. There seem to be in a bad situation now. And now that there's a strike going on with the actors and the writers and stuff. That's a bad situation. But in terms of content, in terms of the amount of things that people produce, the amount of art that people produce, it's unprecedented. Right. It's the amount of... The variety compared to what we consumed as a child.

2:18:18There were happy days episodes that didn't make sense. They didn't make sense. And really, I guess that's good enough, right? Yeah. Like... The jump to shark. Yeah, there was... That's where the... Yeah. There was tons that was just absolute garbage. And you're like, you know what? I love that Henry Winkler. Well, the standards were far lower. You ever go back and watch like an old television show today? They seem so preposterous. Go watch, leave it to be ver. You're like, what the fuck is this? Well, that was fantasy stuff. Right? That was fantasy stuff. Yeah. Or just like... Gosh, mom. My three sons and stuff like that.

2:18:58That was crazy. Crazy. Just no one lived like that. And to set that standard to people to aspire to that ridiculous fake life. And that's also a problem with media depictions of reality. Is that people start comparing themselves, just like kids are getting fucked up by social media, comparing themselves to filters and fake people. I mean, 15 -year -old boys are looking at porn. Yeah. You know what I mean? So they're like... There's that? Yeah, it's completely confusing reality. But media depictions of reality, whether it's through television or movies or songs, it gives people an idea of how their life is supposed to go.

2:19:34Based on these heroic adventures of these people, based on all these people that are doing the right thing. And then when you have a movie, that's a realistic movie, a movie that realistically explains people in a way that you know to be true. Like that movie's gritty. That's a crazy dark movie. Yeah. You know, you feel like there's indie movies like No Mad Land. It's like where she lived in a van. Like that's rich people. They're like, what would it be like to live in a van? Where it's like... Where it's like everyone else who would... Who might live in a van, they want to know what it would be like if they could turn into an ant.

2:20:26You know what I mean? They want to watch Ant -Man. You know what I mean? So it's just like... But like there's also... You know, and you touch a little bit on this, right? But like there is this ongoing thing for decades we've been hearing about the wealth disparity. You know what I mean? It's like... You know, it goes beyond Bernie Sanders bringing it up every four years. It's one of those things. And by the way, you and I have done well and we donate all our money. But like the whole thing is, it's like there is something about like... What a CEO made in 1983 versus what a CEO makes in 2023.

2:21:10Is pretty ridiculously different. It is pretty ridiculous and different. But again, it goes back to what a corporation is. If you want someone that's going to run a corporation, and that corporation is going to ruthlessly try to acquire wealth for their shareholders, you want someone who's willing to do a lot of shit to do that. So you want someone who's going to get... They're going to benefit from that. They're going to financially benefit from that in an extraordinary way. So they're going to be the most driven, the most psychotic about it. And in turn, they're going to generate the most wealth for their shareholders.

2:21:45And because of the way structures are created, these corporate structures, they have an obligation to make more money every year, more money every quarter. If they don't do that, they'll get out, they'll get kicked out, and they'll find someone new. And by the way, there's no one who's running those giant corporations that's over 65. They get to a certain age, they get rid of them. All those Fortune 500 companies, you don't see people running CEOs of those companies that are 80 years old. No, they're fucking... Funeral amount, get some new guys on Adderall. And that guy goes fucking ham and you know, fund some fucking Fagazie studies and shows that this product is totally safe and effective and free.

2:22:24And now the money's flowing in. And then the politicians are paid off and they're using the money for advertising, for corporate media. And they've got this kind of nice balance going on where they're just racking up numbers. Jing, Jing, Jing, Jing, Jing, Jing. That's what they do. Yeah, but it's just some of the... There used to be the board of directors that would be like, Hey, can you not pay yourself $50 million? And I think that now the board of directors is like, So I get $250 for coming to three meetings. Do you know like there isn't a certain amount of, you know, responsibility. Like I think it would have been considered icky for a CEO to pay themselves that.

2:23:11Do you know what I mean? I'm not aware. I don't know. I don't know. And by the way, I'm also saying like, I mean, I have friends that are like anyone who's made a billion dollars is stolen from someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that. But like... Those people are conveniently always poor. Yeah, you know what I mean? But I'm saying that like there is something about, you know, and that's something that's, you know, there's just, you know, it's also how much does someone need, right? And I'm not saying that. Look, I'm a capitalist. I totally am. But I'm just like, I don't know, maybe... Yeah, you're a capitalist, but you're a capitalist artist.

2:23:53That's the difference. You're providing something that's greatly beneficial to the people that consume it. There's a great exchange. It's a great exchange. Yeah. You're creating art. You're creating comedy. You're thinking about things. You're coming up with unique perspectives. You're crafting it and editing it to the point where it gets into someone's head like, surprise, sneak punch lines and pops and yaaand laughter. It's a beautiful exchange. The money that you get is well earned and deserved and you're creating joy. It's not, it's a net benefit. But if you're creating pesticides, you know, if you're creating something that might be killing some kids, but for the most part, it's just killing bugs.

2:24:34Yeah. Yeah, that's when things get sketchy. And then when you've been making, you know, $15, $20 million a year doing that, you're going to keep doing that. Especially if you can shield yourself with politicians and wall -horses. I think surround yourself with a relationship that are saying, you know what? You made 20 lashes. You should make 20 of this. Not only that, you're funding studies. So you're controlling these scientists that are the ones that are supposed to be coming up with these peers. And you're reviewing studies that show whether something is effective or good or bad. You know, and that's how fucking glyphosate gets into all of our food supply.

2:25:09That's how 94 % of the population in America test positive for glyphosate, which is dangerous. It's a dangerous chemical. Yeah. And 94 % of us have it in our body from food because it's sprayed on everything. And you know, they'll say, oh, it's just a minimal amount. It's a small amount. Wait a minute, was that on the RFK episode? That one we might have discussed in the map, but that's something that I read before that. It's dangerous stuff, man. The atrozen was what he was talking about, which is another pesticide, which is an endocrine disruptor. That's the one that Alex Jones said turns the frogs gay.

2:25:43Yeah. It really does. It turns the frogs into hermaphrodites, causes some frogs to switch gender. They turn female. They actually produce viable eggs. Yeah, it's a weird, creepy chemical. And then there's also phallates, which exist in microplastics that all of us have in our body. There's a direct correlation. There's a woman named Dr. Shannon Swan from Harvard. She wrote a book called Countdown. She's from Harvard, right? She wrote a book called Countdown. And she shows that from the introduction of petrochemical products, plastics in society, there's been a direct correlation between that introduction and decrease in sperm count, and increase in miscarriages, decrease in penis and testicle size, the baston mount cyanide.

2:26:33Okay. So this woman's amazing. She's really fun, too. She published one of the two stuff. She published one of the 200 scientific papers, and featured an extensive media coverage around the world. Her appearance is, she's an environmental and reproductive epidemiologist. And so her work is all around, oh, in the Joe Rogan experience. Her work is all about how these microplastics are affecting children, and they're affecting the development of kids in the womb. So in mammals, when they do studies with mammals, they introduce thallates into the mammals. When the mammals are pregnant, the babies of the mammals become affected by this, and the reproductive systems are affected.

2:27:17And we're seeing the direct results of that with human populations as well. And she's showing through all these studies that there are people are eating so much microplastic. You eat like, what is it, a credit card size piece of plastic every week? Everyone does. That's what it was, right? It was a week. Yeah, but you remember I found out that they've stood to find that they studied like some penguin or something like that, and found like the penguin had them out, and then they were like, that's probably close. They did some math equation to figure out that's so much human sad. Also, that was penguin worked at Mastercard, which is the word.

2:27:53It's just other eating cards. I'm trying to get rich. It is just like, there's a lot of bad news, but I also think that like that is one of those things where you can swim in this chaos. And it can be like, all right, let me just stuff a bunch of fries in my mouth to know myself. Yeah, but you can isolate yourself from that kind of news and meditate and concentrate on positive things, and just go take yoga classes and go for hikes and be around all the positive things in the world. Because there's still a lot of that. Like if you go for a hike in Wyoming and you go through the mountains, this is a beautiful experience.

2:28:33And you are removed from all the bullshit. It's like you get to see nature, you get to see deer and eagles, and like, this is nice. This is beautiful. Do you ever feel like, so there's the greatest generation, right? And there's the boomers. But like, and I'm that bagging on the boomers, and I'm barely genetics. But like, do you sit there and go, shit, our generation, are we the ones fucking this up? Well, some of us are. Yeah, I mean humans are. Because there's some of the leadership, right? Because like even, you know, when we used the CEO example, like there was, I just, you know, I'm sure there was corruption back then, but like there was this greater sense of civics and, you know, like, you know, helping, you know, like, just the, the drive during World War II.

2:29:31People were sacrificing things. And now it's like, you know, there's a little poison. People are eating a credit card a week anyway. What's going on? Do you know what I mean? Like there is, is there, and I don't want to blame a certain generation. But like, do you sit there and you go, people are age. It's like, we should be stepping up. And some of it is like, why are these 80 year olds in charge? You know, Vivek is of these 37. It's like, where's our generation? Well, yeah, our generation. Yeah, where are they? Well, they're hiding. First of all, they don't want to run for president because they have skeletons in their closet.

2:30:08They don't want their life to be picked apart. And they don't want lies printed about them, which is also part of the dirty thing of politics. It's not just things you actually did. It's like gross distortions of things you did to have the least charitable view of you. So that the world, oh, that guy's a monster. We got to cut him out. We got to put this good guy in. And there's, it's just, we don't have a lot of like shining choices. Right? Like when it comes to politicians, I mean, Obama was a shining choice for a lot of people. But then when he got into the power, like a lot of the policies were very similar to George Bush's policies, particularly with drone bombings.

2:30:46And the protection of whistleblowers. And you know, there's so much that you could point to and say, well, this is not what we wanted. This is not what we thought we were getting. And there's no one that really stands out other than the outsiders, other than the RFKs and the VIVX and these people that are just different from the established politicians. And those people are, they're fighting against those people with fucking tooth and claw because they don't want them to get into power and they don't want that kind of change. Because that change disrupts this business of their running. But there's part of me that feels like when you talk about RFK, Jr.

2:31:24or VIVX, I'm like, they're human.

2:31:29There's, there's, there are skeletons, you know, maybe I don't know about VIVX, but there are like human failures. He was addicted to heroin. Yeah, no, but there are like, you know, like, you know, some of it is not, I think it's something, you know, it's easy for us to characterize, oh, it's the quality of the people that go into politics. But some of it is the occupation. Yeah. Like, you know, and the inability for them to even embrace a sense of compromise. So like, I think that like, you know, with Obama, there was like, you know, a lot of people on left and right would say that he compromised too much on things when he had this kind of, you know, particularly the first time he had like 60 senators, you know, but like, you know, it's, I'm not saying VIVX or any politician, you're going to be corrupted.

2:32:26Eventually, you're going to be, you know, like Bill Clinton, I think, you know, I'm going to lose everyone. But like, I think he wasn't a well -intended guy as a person. You think so? All right. So you think? I'm going to have to know, right? First of all, because the media back then was very different than the media today. You know, I mean, the only thing that caught him almost getting his dick sucked in the White House was like, oh, yeah. I'll rage. Well, he also like, we knew when he was like, I feel your pain. I mean, I smelled only bullshit. Yeah. But that's not to say that I didn't think, I mean, Reagan was bullshitting us.

2:33:00Sure. I mean, obviously Nixon was. Obviously. Read my lips. Do you mean new taxes? And that was bullshit. And as sincere as Carter was, you're like, you know what, maybe we did somewhat the little edge. You don't seem to be the last of the like really sincere guys that ran for president was president. Did you ever read Hunter S. Thompson's work on being on the campaign trail with Carter? No. Hunter went to see Carter speak. And I remember reading about it that he was, you know, just like not impressed, not interested in going to those one more fucking bullshit politician. And in the middle of the speech, it was so good that he went out and got a tape recorder and brought a tape recorder back to record the rest of it.

2:33:48And and remembered thinking like this guy's quoting Bob Dylan. And he's he's talking about the future of this country in a way that he hadn't heard any politician talk about in a long time. I mean, he's like somebody that walks the walk and talks the talk of these Christian values. Yes. And still just like America's like, yeah, loves that stuff. Yeah. And but after that, we were like, all right, we need a little dirty or goodness. Well, there was the thing with the Iranian hostage crisis, right, where they actively made sure that the crisis that the hostages weren't released until Reagan got into office.

2:34:27Like they did that on purpose to show that Reagan was in, you know, that was a better choice. Power. He's going to get it taken care of. You know, it's a dirty fucking business. And when you have that much money involved, it's going to stay dirty. There's going to be a, it's never going to get a completely pure like ethical moral enlightened structure that's running a capitalist society that is so overwhelmingly influenced by money and special interest groups. It's a matter of mitigating all those things to the maximum amount possible while exposing fraud as much as possible. And then putting checks and balances in place to make sure that fraud and that that corruption can't get to the place where it's at now in the future.

2:35:13How do you do that? Well, you have to take money out of politics. Good fucking luck. You have to take money out of advertisements in terms of like pharmaceutical drug companies, you know, advertise on television. People are vastly overmedicated and not giving, not being given the information that a lot of their medical issues could be mitigated by exercise and diet. A lot of them, a large percentage of them with diet and nutrition and vitamin supplementation and healthy lifestyle and meditation and the mitigation of stress. You can do something to make your life far better and you won't need as much medication, but there's no profit in that.

2:35:51So they don't say that. They don't tell you. But is it I agree with you, but is there also something of every generation of humans looks at the previous generation that says those idiots, of course, they were putting leeches on people. Yeah, come on. We've got to figure it out. Just take these bag of pills. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So it's, but in some cases, we don't have pills are good for you. Yeah, I know, but we don't have the humility, I think, to admit, you know, even even the, you know, the, you know, the, the COVID coming from, you know, the, the lab, the lab leak theory. I think that it wasn't some conspiracy.

2:36:36It was kind of like we have our narrative and people defend the narrative. It's not like even one side of the other side. It's like, look, what do you mean? Meaning like it's a human trait to sit there and go, okay, well, all right. So we don't want world worth three. So it wasn't China. It's just like, look, it's a, I don't think that's the case with the lab leak theory. I think you think that will clear evidence that they knew that you think about. She covered it up because he had given money. Well, there's emails. There's emails. And they were talking about did that did China leak it on purpose?

2:37:14No, I don't think so. I think well, that lab had safety violations. The people in the lab got sick. Beautiful. Is it? Have you seen the photos? Yeah, they built it on like an island. Yeah, they spent a lot of money trying to invest in their infrastructure. Yeah, well, whatever they were doing, we were partly funding it. Wow. Yeah. And they were doing gain a function research on coronaviruses. And I think people in that lab got sick. And I think they spread it out to the world. And I think Fauci covered it up. And I think there's real clear evidence. There's real clear evidence in terms of email chain with the original doctors who had the scientists that are examinates that it appears to be a leak from a lab.

2:37:55He's appeared to be manipulated viruses. And then they get emails from Fauci. And then within days they change their tune. And then they get funded. But I'm not even disagreeing with that approach. What I'm saying is that like the general resist. It doesn't exist right now. The lab leak theory resistance. But the general resistance to that is a very human kind of reaction to something where it's like, well, obviously it's kind of like the America's hesitation to looking at some of its hard facts about our, you know, this, this experiment that we've undertaken. Which is, you know, understanding like being able to look yourself in the mirror.

2:38:46Like the lab leak theory is is in a way the most logical solution. Yes. Right. But also like the, you know, and I'm drawing this comparison. So like America lived after World War II under this belief system that hey, we're a country of immigrants. We all these immigrants came over and were a melting pot isn't a grade anyway and a story. Well, of course that's not the reality. The reality is that the wealth of this nation was built off of slavery and about, you know, many, you know, stealing land from Native Americans. And so like there is like a resistance to embracing that knowledge. So similar to the lab leak theory, whether Fauci caused it or whatever.

2:39:38There is a general tendency to not want to look at a hard fact that might not be comfortable. Definitely for people that were involved. Definitely for people that were responsible of it for it. And you know, it also makes you feel like you're on the right side of things if you can come with, I mean, you don't believe it. You can say some facts and some statistics that seem to point to the fact that it probably was some sort of a natural spillover. Yeah. I mean, it also, it eliminates this fucking horrible fear that this could happen again. You know, that this is a product of this munking around with viruses and fucking around with things and making them more contagious for human beings, which is just a dangerous practice that Obama had stopped.

2:40:27And that was, that was some of it was, it was it to weaponize it or to kind of who knows that I think there's a lot going on. There's also just pure financial interests, right? There's a lot of funding involved. If you get billions of dollars from organizations to fund this research and then you have a business involved in funding this research. Look, if they're, their way of doing that was to come up with some sort of a cure for coronavirus is when they came around, well, they failed fucking miserably at that because the mitigation efforts were very unsuccessful. They weren't prepared. They didn't know what to do.

2:41:04And they, they likely did create something that was way more contagious and wound up killing a shitload of people because it got out. Yeah. That's hard for people to think about and deal with the fact that the, the scientific community that was involved in that is responsible for the direct deaths of who knows how many fucking people worldwide. That's a terrifying thought. Yeah, I mean, that's probably worse than bombing in a comedy club. Yeah, now imagine if you were one of the guys that was involved in that research and you realize that now, oh my god, holy shit, maybe your mom died of it. And directly because of stuff that you were working on.

2:41:45Yeah, it's terrifying. And people just kind of well, I think, you know, people kind of sit there and go, well, there's my job. This research. I don't necessarily understand it, but I'm doing this. Yeah. And is also money in the cure. There's, there's money in the treatment and an insane amount of money that gets pushed around. That's when people get real crazy and think that it was leaked on purpose so that they can make money off the treatment, which is the most evil way to look at it. And that, that scares the shit out of me. Well, it is just amazing that I mean, but like the advancements we've made the fact that we're sitting there complaining about all these 80 year olds running the world is because we've advanced to a point.

2:42:29Yeah, because hygiene and nutrition and science and medicine has got us to a point where the 10 live ice and how are you know how you know he was bald. Yeah, he was he was 21 years old. He was a general when he was 12 and he was 21 when he was bald, but he was probably like if you if you found out that Eisenhower was president, he looks like he's eight. How old was Eisenhower when he was president? I'm going to I'm going to guess 59. Yeah, that's probably about right. Yeah, but he looked like he was 70. He looked like Chris Jeff is 63 63. Close enough. Alright, so that was the also the weight of the world on his shoulders.

2:43:10Right. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about being a president that like when you see a guy like Biden who's already struggling and old. Yeah, that guy looks like he's seen. But he also, you know, he also, you know, planned, you know, movements in World War II that he knew would kill 200 ,000 men. 200 ,000 Americans are going to die. Just imagine that we got to get in there. You know, I mean, it's like you look at like the Korean War. It's like when they invaded and puts on it's like it was if you look, I don't know if you can like the invasion that where they landed in the Korean War where the North Koreans at T.

2:43:49Taken over and like there was like down here and then they came in and put on it was this wild gamble. We're like, it was just sheer death, but like D. Day was insane. Insane. Yeah, insane storming the beach in Normandy. Imagine you're one of those guys in that boat. You got to get on that beach and just live rounds are like firing straight towards you. You got to rush the beach. I mean, saving private Ryan. This is a fucking movies wild thing about like how that educated entire generation like that's yeah, one of 50 brilliant things. Spielberg's done. Yeah, like it's you know saving private Ryan independent of the movie.

2:44:35He educated the sacrifice of D. Day. Yeah, to an entire generation. Mm -hmm. Or two. Yeah. And then people will go after him because he's got a 250 million dollar yacht. I thought you were about climate change. You're flying around a private jet and a giant yacht. He's a fucking piece of shit. Yeah, that movie is how's a rough movie man. Yeah, we don't have to see this. We got it. Anybody who hasn't seen it should see it. It's probably the one of the most realistic depictions of war. By the way, the sacrifice. I mean, there's World War one guys just. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen all quite on the Western front.

2:45:14It's I haven't, but everybody tells me how to see it. It's amazing. It's just get to when I'm watching TV. I want to be entertained. I want to be taken away. I want to watch stranger things or something silly. I know. I just like I'm so I know my life's like that a lot of women like I'm like a woman. No joke. I know I'm a woman. No, it is like one of those things. We are like, baby just needs to escape. Yeah, you know what I watch? Most of the time when I'm get home from the club or when I watch professional pool. You do. Yeah, I watch professional pool matches. Because there's no there's no weight on the world.

2:45:50There's no nothing. There's just skillful manipulation of the ball and moving it around the table. That's what I like to watch. There's some attractive female pool players. Yeah, that's quite a few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that's not why I watch it. I watch the male. They play better. Sorry. Sorry, ladies. Some ladies, they play a lot better than me, but you know, the best players for some reason are male. That's so interesting. So like your kids are like dads watching pool. Yeah, they think I'm an easy watching billiards. Yeah, I watch pool and watch funny things. Are there common teres? Oh, yeah.

2:46:23Yeah. Yeah. I think he's going to go for the Shout out to Jeremy Jones the best. Yeah, there's a they they they comment on what's the correct approach. Like what what path the player should take. What kind of English has to put on this ball? What are the problem balls that is to knock out? What how he has to maneuver around the table? And so you you consume that do you watch the NFL or no? No, not at all. No, I mean, so you're in the MMA thing is that you're like I got to keep track of that. That's my passion. Do you look at other sports like baseball or basketball? Or do you like I mean, you appreciate the event if you went to a game.

2:47:03Yeah, but like is there a certain thing that like what what's holding you back from that time? Time. I'm sure I would love football. I really got into it. It's an amazing game. I'm sure I'd love basketball. I'm sure I'd love hockey. I don't have time. Yeah. And I don't play those games. I'm not that interested and I've always been interested in martial arts. And I think martial arts is the most challenging and dangerous of all the sports and I like it the most. And you know, there's so much to watch that I have more than enough to consume too much really. Yeah, like there's a big event this weekend in Salt Lake City that I'm going to a big UFC.

2:47:41So. And are you working at that one? Yeah, I'm working. So if you're not working at it, you wouldn't go. No, I would I would if I could if I've time off. Yeah. I'd love to go and watch, but I would watch it at home most likely. But I have there's certain matches that I'm going to have to watch over the next few days and just get prep. Yeah, I get prepped up and also, you know, as an analyst, I have to think about like what could possibly happen in these fights and what I think the likely scenarios are and like it's I always call martial arts high level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

2:48:16And it's it's a very complex dangerous game that requires intense dedication and focus and discipline. And it's so hard to do and you can only do it for so long. You know, the elite athletes have like a nine year period where they could perform at the very best until their body starts to fail. Yeah, so when I watch it. I'm just overwhelmed by that. And I just don't have the time to be watching golf or you know baseball. And is there a certain country that is rising out of MMA where you're like, wow, I didn't know that I mean, I know you're Jetsu and Brazil, but like is there a certain country where you're like, you know, Russia's kicking ass.

2:48:58Russia is kicking ass. A lot of the guys from Dagestan are fucking incredible. But it's it's a function of like what do they start out training? They start out training in in Sambo, which is a Russian martial art and and Jetsu and boxing and wrestling at a very early age. And they're also encouraged to do it. There's a lot of competition there. And it's also a hard life. It's a hard part of the world, like dangerous part of the world. Is it so like is it a parts of Russia that is a minority group within the Russian Federation? Because it wasn't the, I think there was a Muslim guy that you know, well, it's quite a few Muslim guys that I think you're Russian.

2:49:40Yeah, there's quite a few. Yeah, could be number going off. Yeah, it was one of the grace of all times. He's a guy from Dagestan, who's a Muslim, a very devout religious guy. And I think that discipline from because that's in that chaotic area of Armenia, right? Is it Dagestan? It's in Russia. Or is it near, is it near where the where they had the winter Olympics and where the caucuses? It is the sea. There's Armenia. Dagestan is right there. Yeah. So like I think that's a war torn area. I think that's like debated. Like it's a Georgia or is it Azerbaijan, right? Now is that technically Russia or is it?

2:50:25Well, that's the I used to be a part of the Soviet Union. I think I said, but I think that like it's well, they it's I think that like Dagestan is officially the Republic of Dagestan is a Republic of Russia situated in the North Caucus of Eastern Europe on the Caspian Sea hard people hard people some of the greatest come out of Dagestan and some of the most interesting and exciting prospects come out of that part of the world. So fat. I mean, Armenia is fast. Armenia has a ton of great fighters. Well, Armenia, you go to like Jerusalem, right? There's like Jewish quarter, Muslim quarter. And then there's the Armenian quarter.

2:51:07Like the Armenians are so fast. Like they were like the first to embrace Christianity and just like they were like all in. It's really, I mean, it's just fascinating because like they, then the history of like the them dealing with the Turks and it's just amazing. Yeah, there's been a lot of great Armenian fighters that have fought in MMA and in kickboxing as well. They're voracious readers too. They're big readers. Yeah. Anyway, I'm pro Armenia. I am too. I love Armenians. Yeah, I just love Armenians in L .A. They were refreshingly masculine. Yeah, you know, there's just like open about it. I loved it.

2:51:52It's because L .A. So you know, for lack of better term. I don't want to say feminized because I don't think feminine is negative. But you know, there's so many men that are just bitches. No, I remember going to L .A. during pilot season with my wife who was my girlfriend at the time. And we had a thing is that guy gay or from L .A. And you know, obviously we have to defend that. But I was like, I don't know if he's gay or if he's just from L .A. Yeah, yeah. Metro. But that was probably like in the 2000s. I don't know if that's all kinds of people to run this crazy world. Jim Gaffin. I love it.

2:52:30I do too. We should probably wrap us up. Um, you're special. Yeah. Look at that. Dark pale. How many of you done now? This is my 10 fuck yeah. Right. And where'd you film this one in Tampa? Nice. And uh, Amazon Prime. You've done more than one on Amazon Prime. You like doing it over there? I you know, some of it is just where the, you know, the offer some of it was the timing that Netflix wanted to do. And then honestly, you know, prime offered me more money. But like, I also think it's good to mix it up. I think so too. I mean, I totally learned that out of necessity, but you know, the landscape is changing so much.

2:53:15I don't know. And you know, I was talking to Marin and he loves, you know, he did one on max or HBO max at the time. And so it is good to mix it up. I mean, I love Netflix. But I think it's good for a guy like you to the world wherever you want. Yeah. So for a guy like you, it's kind of a standard setter. You can just do whatever you want. And if you go there, it's think it's good for comedy in general. Yeah. And I think it's, it is also it's fascinating to see how big these platforms are. Mm hmm. You know, to well, Amazon is everyone has Amazon on their phone. Anyone who gets a box delivered.

2:53:52You got Amazon Prime. You could watch it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a matter of like letting people know. And then when you have great shows like Mrs. Maisel, where people start watching it because of that. And then a terminal list. Like Amazon has a lot of great shows now. Yeah. There's just again, you were talking about this. There's so much content. Yeah. And sometimes you find out about it later on. And you're like, oh, I realize. Yeah. And then sometimes the first season is amazing in the second season's garbage. Yep. Because it's hard. It's hard. It's really hard. Yeah. It is. Listen, we're gonna have some fun tonight.

2:54:26Thanks, buddy. I'm excited that you can come to my other ship. I'm very excited. Good to see you my friend. Thank you. Thank you. I always appreciate you. All right. Bye, buddy.