#2016 - Patrick Bet-David

25:55All business was building regulations were being relaxed. More things were getting done. You know, when you look at it from a policy perspective, if you just look at it on paper, what he did was effective. A lot of people think it was effective. You don't like him as a personality. So ignore that. Don't do that. Look at it in terms of a policy perspective. People liked the ideas that he was putting forward. And now you're saying like, oh, the wall is right now the fucking everybody thinks there needs to be a wall. Even the mayor of New York City is now calling to stop immigration into a city. And this was a guy that called it for it to be a sanctuary state when the reality of what your policies, what kind of actions you put forth, what what the results of that are.

26:37And those results are highly negative. You're forced to sort of recollect recollect your thoughts and come up with a new perspective. And that's what the mayor of New York City is doing right now. When you just look at what Trump's policies were and then obviously COVID hits. There's a lot to that. The lockdowns, the economic collapse, all the shit that came with that. None of that is good. And then Trump holds up this like hope to bring us back to where we were when he was in office. You're not going to beat that. I don't think they're going to beat that. I don't think when you look at the Russia collusion, when you look at the steel dossier, when you look at all the bullshit they tried to throw at him that we now know as bullshit, not just bullshit, but coordinated bullshit.

27:23When you look at the fact that they suppressed these under Biden laptop story and that 51 intelligence agency representatives signed off on that to say that this was Russian disinformation, which we know they know is not true. That's scary because now you have the intelligence agencies colluding to keep a guy from being president that was president during a time where the country was thriving economically. This is you're not going to beat that guy. Would you would he get your vote? He get my vote before he get my vote before Biden. I said that before. I don't think that I never thought that Biden was going to make it.

27:58I never thought that he was going to be functional. Regardless of what kind of power the president actually has and it appears under Trump, the president has a lot more power than we think they do. But under Biden is like, he's handled like he's just out there talking and saying, real problem is Donald Trump. He's done is terrible. He's done to offer. It's all nonsense. Everyone's treating him with kid gloves because they don't want to prop up Trump. They don't want to go after him because it'll weaken the Democratic party. So when you're having Trump on. I don't know. Maybe it looks like you got something.

28:34Maybe. Okay, good. That's good. I think that's. It's a certain point of time. It's just like. It would be interesting to hear his perspective on a lot of things. I would like to know what is it like when you actually get in office. I would like to know things like what what is it like versus perception? What is it actually like when you get in that building? What do you greeted with? When do you know that people are fucking with you? When do you know the intelligence agencies lying to you? When you decided to fire Komi? What was the thought? How much did you know? Like what what's the machine like?

29:10What is what is the deep state really like? Really like because we have all these smokey room perceptions like from the Bill Hicks joke or they show you the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before. You know, what is the machine that runs this country? Because it's very clear that it's not as simple as elected representatives that are doing the will of the people. It's not. You know, when I was thinking about you interview and Trump and I know you've said in the past, you know, I would never help him. I think you said it on a Lex and then you turned to Lex and you say like, would you interview Putin?

29:48You know, in these cases, you guys got that you're a woman together. And then I saw how you opened up RFK's interview, which by the way, incredible. The way you opened it up, the whole conversation back and forth. And you said, look, I thought you were this. I thought you were that. I thought you were this and then boom, you do the interview. And people are like, wow, I kind of like the sky. You know, I kind of like what he's doing. And he's been out to getting whatever number he's at right now 15, 16, 17%. I think if you think about the most complicated misunderstood person in our generation, let's just say if we say the last 30 years, where would you put Trump as the most misunderstood, complicated person that we've had in America in the last 30 years?

30:29I don't know if it's misunderstood. I think for sure they have distorted who he is and magnified his faults and even said things that are absolutely not true, like the Russia collusion thing. I mean, that was the narrative that he was a puppet of Russia. And we're going to get him off into office and he was a traitor. And he's really in the pocket of Russia. And that was the steel dossier. They had information on him hookers are peeing on him. By the way, if he really did have a party and hookers are peeing on him and all that crazy, you really think that that would hurt him? I don't even think it would hurt him.

31:04No, not him. He's untouchable. I had a good time. Those girls, they had plastic sheets. Yeah, what's wrong with golden showers? He's going to make something up, you know, and people would go, who cares? Who cares? He's going to fuck a prop up the economy. Who cares? He's going to make things healthy again. Well, I think you would break the internet. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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32:48I had a clay travest and buck sexton on and we're having a conversation with them. Here's what I asked them and I disagree but I'm curious and well you can't really answer this one but it's something that we can be thinking about. I said listen, can you imagine 10 years ago Joe Rogan saying he's going to vote Republican or he's going to vote for Trump or even six years ago him saying that right. Can you imagine Elon Musk saying that six years ago seven years ago. Both of them left to state California. That's a bad look for new sums. Not a good thing. You're here. He's here. I know right now Elon's kind of playing a card of San Francisco.

33:25We're not going to leave. We're not going to do this because Twitter X all that stuff. Great. That's a complete different position he's taken. But what is the power? What is the power of a a a musk or a you all of a sudden saying yeah I'm not voting for Joe Biden but I would consider voting for Trump. What does that do? See that's the stuff that I don't think we know the case study of yet. We don't know what the impact is. A lot of people when you talk or Joe Biden people you know both sides can be pretty delusional. A percentage of them can be delusional Joe Biden is a great guy. What are you talking about family guy great father.

34:02You know all this stuff is fantastic. He's just sweet. He's loving. He's caring. He doesn't have a temper. That's just the right wing people that are doing that stuff. It's a Q and on tap of people that are saying that. Okay. Then there's a people that say stuff about Trump and they'll defend at all cost. Perfect. The question becomes with Trump statistics if that New York Post article the tweet was out and they didn't block it. Would you have still voted for no way. So Trump would have been president. Yes. Okay. If and this is asking liberals if there was no COVID would you have still voted for Trump.

34:38Well forget about it. If there's no COVID Trump's getting reelected. Okay. Great. All these ifs that you go with if if if if if it's all yes Trump. Yes. Trump. Yes. Trump to terms. So now today there is a group of people Joe that are Republicans who are who are convinced Trump can't win. They don't believe he can win. They're convinced believe it or not. They don't think this guy can win. Okay. And these are not lightweight people. They think he can't win. So they're like there's no way he's going to win. I mean look what happened. These are the same people that thought he couldn't win in 2016.

35:15No. Some of them are the guys that supported him. You know some of them like you know billbar comes out and says. You know if if he's the nominee I'm going to jump off a bridge. I'm like Bill which bridge because you're jumping off a bridge. Right. It's going to be happening nominee. Who's going to come out and be a nominee who. You know. VVEC is kind of playing his cards in a way of being a VP and he saw what Trump said the other day. Trump said. You know I'm going to watch everybody to see who's going to fight that maybe I'm picking my vice president. What is he saying. I'm not going to be on the debate stage.

35:45Right. When you see some of this stuff. So I don't know there's a part where you think it's going to be a sweep and he's going to come in and win like 44 states like Reagan beat Carter something like that. I could happen which is like a underdog. Top of a situation or the dams have to move very quickly but I don't think they have a lot of time. I think they got 30 days to move. How much election fraud do you think is real. Here we go Joe. You want to go to election fraud. Yeah. Because I don't think it's zero. No. It's not zero. I think we could all agree. It's not. No way. It's not zero. And we know that these voting machines can be fucked with.

36:21Yeah. And we know that there's some irregularities. All that that carry lake stuff in Arizona that they're trying to do. They're trying to dismiss. It doesn't look like that's invalid. It looks like there's real fraud there. It looks like there's some real shenanigans there at the very least. There was voting machines that weren't working properly. And it seems very suspicious that a lot of them were in Republican areas. There's a lot of shenanigans. And I think there's coordinated efforts to make sure that certain people get elected. I don't know how far they go but I know it's not zero. Yeah.

36:57And okay. So election fraud. It's happened for a long time. It was a lot easier back in the days than it is today. A lot easier back in the days than it is today. You can always go back to the do we think, you know, Chicago, John F. Kennedy, they thought they needed us. So they got 7 ,000 dead people to vote all the time. Later on, we never needed in the first place. Dangly chaps. That's right. That's right. All of that. So. But then today. So this is where my skepticism comes in. This is where I get paranoid as a Middle Eastern. We're naturally paranoid by nature. We don't trust a lot of things.

37:29But this is the skepticism. So TSA, November of 2001, Bush introduces us to TSA. Prior to November 2001, there was no TSA. You walked to the gate. Family could come and see you at the gate and wait for you. No, moving forward as TSA. Today, if you go through TSA, all you do is give it the ID, bomb, bomb. You don't even show the ticket. Go in, right? Okay. So why is it racist to do that when you're voting? Right. See that, that a logical person. I can see a Democrat defending that, knowing it's an edge for the other side. But strategically, I get it. If you understand what I'm saying, I can see you saying that, no, I don't think that's fair for us to do.

38:15Hey, guys, let's pull the racist card. This is going to be big for these guys. Totally get it. But to the independent or the reasonable Democrat that's sitting there saying some of the stuff you guys are doing, I'm not part of this camp. I'm a JFK Democrat. Let's just say, right? Those guys are sitting there saying, I'm sorry, what? You just took my ID at TSA. I'm going on a flight to New York. You don't want to take my ID for voting. You don't want to do that. You can check my eyes when I'm going to work to sign into work and you're going to go like this. Okay, great. He signed in at 858. Great.

38:47You don't want to do that for voting. You can't do some of that. Well, it's also at the same time they were doing with COVID vaccines. You had to have a vaccine card. The same time you had to have an ID and a vaccine card to be able to work, to be able to travel, to be able to go anywhere. So they had implemented new rules at the same time. They were trying to take away ID for voting. They're taking away ID for voting makes zero sense. First of all, the idea that it's racist, are you saying that some races are bad at getting IDs? Like, what are you saying? Like, shouldn't you just make it easier for them to get IDs, then make it so that no one needs an ID.

39:26That makes no sense. And also at the same time, you'd have to be suspicious that they're allowing a massive amount of illegal immigrants into this country constantly daily. And you're supposing that those people are going to vote on your side if they don't need IDs to vote. I mean, that is that's the suspicion, right? Yeah, you get a couple million here. And then in 2024, like if you think about issues to run on, right? You go Trump ran on 2016 on what? Build a wall. All these, they're sending their worst, they're rapists, they're doing their raping on women. Okay. And then he went after a couple different people, you know, Obama ran on, you know, freedom or forward or whatever the dream.

40:09Okay. Right. Carter ran on human rights. Everybody runs on something. If they run on dream, dreamers, you know, let's legalize the dreamers that are here. Again, you got to give the Dems credit, leave the border open. Let them come in 2024. We convert these guys to voters. We just got two million new voters. Right. Say 90 % vote our side, say 80 % vote our sides. You know, I think the Hispanic vote is 64 % Democratic right now. 36, you know, 36 is either independent or, you know, Republican. African American is still between 88 to 94%. 88 to 94 % votes Democratic. Okay. So if they can convert that, that's another edge for them.

40:53But for me, the fraud, voter fraud thing, if you're hesitant to want to check IDs, it's just like a parent talking to their kids. So where were you last night? What time did you come home? Oh, dad, you know, I had a, you know, something happened at a flat tire. Oh, you did? Yeah, who changed it? Oh, my friend changed it with which tire? I've had flat tires before, right? And you kind of watching your some bullshit. You're like, I was 14 before guy. Yeah, I'm in 16. I know what you're doing. I'm not a dummy. So when the government does stuff like that, the people that are sitting there paranoid, they're like, why would you have a problem with this?

41:28The level of hypocrisy hurts them. So the climate change argument, for example, you know, well, we have to be worried about the future of our kids. You know, what, what about this? Nothing is more important. Joe than white supremacist and climate change. Nothing. And like really white supremac... Yeah, climate change is dangerous. You see what's going to happen? He saw Greta Thumbberg. I don't know if you saw that video. Well, she said we have to protect the banks. Did you see her doing the fake like she's like, how dare you? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, she's just doing this thing. Well, she's a kid.

41:57Yeah. But again, she, she fooled a lot of people. Don't make girls got six million followers on Twitter. Is that fooling people? Not really. She's a useful idiot, Tom. Yeah, well, she's a young lady with idealistic ideas. She's being used. She's a spoke with doesn't make any sense that she somehow or spoke's person for climate change. It's bizarre. And it's just, it's an influencer. It's the same reason why Dylan Mulvaney interviewed Biden when he'd been a woman for 320 days or whatever the fuck it was. What a sweetheart. Yeah. That's the same thing. It's like you're using influencers. Yeah. And it is very bizarre way.

42:37But you know, Dylan likes girls. Yes. That's that's called being straight. Yeah, it's it's called auto -guinephelia. You just wear a Halloween costume. Yeah, well, it's, you know, woman face. You put on woman face. It's very strange. It's it's a preparation. I know a lot of women feel very upset about it. How do you feel yourself with this this whole thing? I had a, it was having a wonderful peaceful conversation with the Scandinavian, I don't know if you're familiar with the guy or not. He's a very, you know, I saw that podcast. Yeah. So, so and I ask him a question where I say, so let me ask you, how good are you at given blow jobs?

43:16And he looks at me like kind of a freaking question is that. He says, I'm sorry. And I said, yeah, how good are you at giving it? He says, no, I said, when you were 11 years old, did anybody teach you how to give one? No, why would they teach me that? That's what they're teaching in schools right now in many different places. Oh, they're not doing that. They're not doing. There's no way they're doing that. There are books that do show. Yeah, there are books. Right? Okay. So if a person wants to sell that book at Barnes and Noble, go for it. If a person wants to sell that book on Amazon, go for it.

43:48But what do you think about parents that are protesting all over the place, where in some districts, these guys are saying, no, this is recommended reading by the teacher and it's normal, it's okay. You should learn about this at an early age. How do you feel about that? Well, I think it's very clear that there are certain teachers that have an agenda and that their agenda is to indoctrinate children into this LBGT mindset and that this is not just cherished but celebrated. And you know, if you're talking to someone who is gay kid, great. That's great. If you want to tell them that it's okay to be gay and you know, you should be your true self.

44:26Great. That's terrific. What Mike had surn with is that a lot of what we're seeing with like New Jersey had an uptick and kids identifying as non -binary by 4 ,000%. Like it's not natural. These are not normal numbers. And I think children are very malleable. They're very impressionable. And if you reward them for certain kinds of behavior, if they are, they're praised and cherished for certain types of behavior, I think they'll be encouraged to do that. And I think you're seeing with a lot of these detransitioners that a lot of these kids got encouraged early and got put on hormone blockers and hormones and got mastectomies and got castrated and now they have deeper grit.

45:13And people don't want to acknowledge that and they attack those people. They attack those detransitioners. We have always, always thought that young children are not capable of making life changing decisions at an early age. That's why we don't allow seven year olds to get tattooed. And now all of a sudden you're allowing seven year olds to say that I'm a girl or I'm a boy cut off my breasts and put me on testosterone. That's craziness. What percentage of parents do you actually think? Obviously we don't know the exact number. But what percentage of parents left the right middle think that's okay.

45:49What do you think that percentage is? That's interesting. I would not know. I would just be wildly guessing. What do you think? There's a certain amount of people that are in the progressive mindset that is essentially a cult. There's cult like thinking and both the right and on the left. Absolutely. It's called thinking. It's conglomerations of opinions that you adopt and you defend because that keeps you in the tribe. And the LBGT, whatever the other numbers are in letters. What that is, it's a flag that you're flying to show that you're on the right team. That you're progressive, you're open -minded, you're on the right side of history, you're inclusive.

46:30This is what they're doing. And that has an effect on people psychologically. I think you should allow people to be who they are. And you should be open to people being who they are no matter what it is. But to encourage them to go in a specific direction, I think there's real repercussions for that. And I think you're seeing that with these detransitioners. You think it's 1 % 5%, 10%, 15%, you think it's 20%, like if you were to guess. I think it's 20%. I don't think it's a vocal minority. The same thing with people that think that trans athletes should be able to compete with women and biological women in women's sports.

47:07It's a very small, very loud minority. Do you think that's kind of like, let's just say I'm your friend, okay? And we're out at a restaurant. And you know how there's the guys that all of a sudden somebody's going to say, Joe, you're picking up a topic we're having dinner, we're having a conversation. What do you think about voting this way? And one of your friends, this guy feels like I have to agree with 100 % of what Joe says because it's Joe. Joe's my boy. Joe said this, Joe, you're on 100 % right. And then you got one of your friends like, I don't know if I agree with you, man, I think it's this, this, this, this, and you're having a debate.

47:41Do you think there's a part of the political party where they feel like just because I'm a Democrat, I have to agree with 100 % of what everything they're pitching me? There's a bunch of people like that. Yeah, there's a bunch of like full on cultists and they're blue no matter who. Yeah, that's, that's their, their mind and in their social circle. Like this is how you talk and communicate. And you know, I've had conversations with those people, particularly when I was in LA. And when you confront them with facts, they're in denial. First of all, they don't know the facts. They're in denial about it.

48:10They, they think that what you're saying is propaganda, the way you're saying is it's right wing bullshit and conspiracy theories. You know, I remember when I first started talking to Jordan Peterson about that bill was at C16 that's up in Canada, that is a hate speech law that, that mandates you using whatever the person's preferred pronouns are. And at that point, they were like 48 different preferred pronouns are going to mandate. And people like, why are you concentrating on that? This is something that exists in colleges. This is not something in in your world. Like why is that of concern to you?

48:43Because people graduate from college and they take these ideas they've been indoctrinated with and then they enter into the workforce. And that's what we're seeing. And that's what killed Bud Light. That's literally what killed Bud Light that they tried to enforce these ideas that they had been ingrained with in these educational institutions. And then they tried to put it out there in the world. So Joe, how old are you? You're 55. Okay, I'm 44. Okay. 56 in a couple weeks. You look great for 56 year old. I'm just looking at your place. You're walking on walking behind you. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's in shape.

49:17So, but okay, 55 are going to be 56. From your experience at this age, when did you and I care the most about what people thought? What age were you when we care the most about what people thought? When I was a kid. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. So how little do you give a shit about what people think about you today? Well, I don't want people to be wrong. I don't want people to have an incorrect opinion about my position. Sure. Things are who I am. But do you lose sleep at night? No. Okay. So that's the point. But also you and I are used to dealing with the opinions of an enormous amount of people.

49:51Totally agree. Totally agree. But let's not pick people like you and I let's pick a regular guy. One of your guys out there, you know, that I want mention names that, you know, he's always with you. Do you think he cares more at 42 years old? What I think about him less, right? Okay. So life experience, right? So let me ask you this question. As a 55 year old man, if you were really gay right now, Joe, would you care about coming out? I wouldn't, but I do have friends that are my age that do care and it's sad. Okay. But they're worried more about how their family is going to perceive it and how their, you know, the family is going to be treated about it.

50:35You know, by the way, I'm not trying to convert you to come, you know, for both of us right now to make an announcement, public announcement right now, Joe Rogan and Patrick David came out and we're both getting married. Who takes whose last name? So, well, hyphenated like good progress. But as he had dude with a hyphenated name, I'm like, yo, bro, yo, I got a hyphenated last name, bet hyphen David, but I understand Rogan, bet David or bet David Rogan. So I want you to think about this. The part where I go is the following. The statistic traditionalists, 0 .8 % are gay, boomers, 2 .6%. Then it goes to 5 .0 something.

51:15Then it goes 10%. This is really 10%. Oh yeah. Gen Zs right now is 21%. How much of them are redful? Do you want to pull this? Jamie, can you 21 % gay? 21 % of Gen Z right now is gay. Is it gay or LBGT? All that stuff. You can be non -binary and slip right in there with like a real joke and loophole. Check that out. Look at that right. Number of LBGTQ identifying adults is soaring. Yeah. Look at that 0 .8 % traditionalist boomers, 2 .6 Gen X4, 2 .0, millennials, 10 .5. And it got Gen Zs around 21%. Right? Okay. So when you look at the statistics, why would Gen Z become gay? They care about what other people think.

51:57This is like, you know, it's kind of versus the traditionalist dude. If I'm like 72 years old and I'm gay, guess what? I'm coming out. I mean, like, hey man, I am. What do you want to do about it? I'm going to go and hang out with Jose over here. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Do what you got to do. So I think, you know, we're truly messing up with a generation that really cares about what other people think and we're screwing them up in a big way. We're also, they're growing up in a time of social media. We're caring about what other people think is way more enforced because you're getting so much more feedback than people have ever gotten before.

52:33Like a regular person might just be communicating with thousands of people in comments and arguing about things on social media in a way where you would not interact with so many random people that you don't know. Yeah. And even that's a good point. Like even the social dilemma thing kind of like where you're going with these kids are so worried about what other people think. Yeah. I think we're, I think it's a, I think it's a big mistake and I think we're going to pay a price for it. And it's going to take us a decade or two to see the results of this. I think so too. And I think there's going to be a self correcting thing.

53:07What fear, what I fear the most is the detransitioners. I feel terrible for them. I feel terrible for these girls that can never have children now and are terrible for these guys that are castrated and it's just the whole thing is just very spooky because people are making life changing decisions. Now that does that mean that I'm anti -trans not at all. If you're a grown adult and you feel like that's going to make you happy. I'm with you. I fully support your ability as a grown adult to do whatever you want. So long as it's not hurting anyone else that makes you happy. Sure. That makes you happy.

53:40I don't know what makes you happy. If that makes you happy, I am a freedom person. I believe you should have freedom to do whatever you want. However, I do think that there's an indoctrination aspect to this. And I do think there's a social contagion aspect to this. And that's what Abigail Schreier has documented. And that a lot of these girls that are coming out, they're doing in these clusters of girls and a lot of them are autistic, a lot of them are, you know, they're on a spectrum and they don't feel like they fit in anyway. When they give them testosterone, a lot of times there's an alleviation of anxiety that comes with testosterone and a euphoria that comes with that and they say, okay, this is who I've meant to be.

54:17Which is so crazy that introducing a foreign substance into your body or at least a substance that your body does not naturally have at masculine doses. And that you're introducing that to a feminine body and then saying, this is who I naturally am. That's crazy. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense biologically, scientifically. It doesn't make sense. So Joe, question. What age should a person, if they want to try marijuana or smoke weed, what age is an appropriate age to smoke weed? Well, I think you've talked about this before in the past. I do not think children should be regular users of anything that perturbs your state of consciousness.

54:55I don't think they should drink. I don't think they should smoke pot. I don't think they should try acid. I don't think they should do anything. Your mind isn't a developing state. There's like real documentation about that. I also think you can't tell kids what to do because they're going to do the opposite of what you tell them to do. You know, what I tell my kids is there are drugs that are very dangerous and you should be very careful about drugs of dangerous. Don't take drinks from someone that you don't know. Don't ever take a pill. Don't ever snort something. Don't ever do something where you don't know where it's coming from.

55:23There's drugs that are non -toxic and not dangerous and are not going to kill you ever. You should know which ones they are and you should know which ones can kill you. Especially today with fentanyl overdoses. Do you see those videos? Do you see those videos? These guys are walking on like zombies. Yeah. Well, that's a big factor in the war on drugs and that's another uncomfortable thing that we have to look at. There is a demand for drugs in this country and when there's a demand and that drug is illegal, you are going to have criminals that supply that demand. And so then just like during the prohibition where it propped up the organized crime in America, you're propping up the organized crime in Mexico but it's also China.

56:04They're bringing in the fentanyl, they're bringing in the precursors. You have an illegal business and a business that is overwhelmingly used in this country. I mean, there's so many people that use drugs and they have to get these drugs. How do they get them? They get them illegally. The only way to fix that is to regulate drugs, is to make them legal and to make sure they're clean and pure and have treatment centers and have addiction centers and have places where people can go. There are a bunch of different ways that people can be treated that have addictions. Those methods are often illegal too.

56:42Like I began, that's a big one. People that take Ibergain have a massive, they're like the statistics about people that have had serious addictions to pills and alcohol and all sorts of other things that go on these Ibergain retreats. The amount of people that get cured of that is huge. It's huge. It's bigger than anything else that we have, yet it's illegal. I think they should institute that in this country. They should do it with people that know how to run these centers and know how to treat people with real counseling and then educate people on the dangers of these substances that are not used.

57:14They should be illegal and they should be treated by people that are illegal and they should be treated by people that are illegal. But what you're going to do is take out the legs of organized crime if you do that. I think there was a statistic that came out that even with the tax and of weed in California, guys were still selling weed themselves and buying it directly illegally because it was cheaper due to the tax. They still have an access to it. It's like if you look at cigarettes right now what they're worth, the amount of tax they're putting on cigarettes. There's a counter -argument to that where if you do tax it, some people are still going to sell it illegally because it's going to be cheaper.

57:57Now, the whole thing about education, all of that stuff, that's a libertarian position you're making there. Will it become a national thing? There was a time nobody thought marijuana was going to be legal. Today nobody cares about the marijuana's legal or not. So I don't know. The problem is when things are illegal and there's a demand for those things, criminals sell those things and then those criminals become insanely powerful and wealthy. And that's what you see in Mexico. That's what you see with the cartels. It's a direct result of the policies in the United States and the war on drugs. How do you solve it?

58:33The whole thing would legalize and get you? Well, you got to tear the bandaid off and that's what scares people is that there's going to be a lot of problems. There's going to be a lot of people that are addicted. There's going to be a lot of people that overdose. There's going to be a lot of people that die. Joe, at this phase of your life, you know, 20 year old is different, 30, 40, 50 year olds different. What for you when you're looking at a president? Are you more looking at like, here's a five issues that matter to me the most today. If somebody can run on these five things and you can win, you got my vote.

59:01Are you more looking for person with policies that match yours? Are you looking for somebody that can, you know, be in charge, lead, cannot be controlled? Is a somewhat of an anti -establishment personality that can do their part? What's more important to you at this phase of your life? Well, that's what's interesting about like asking someone like Trump, what is it like when you get in there? Because we're just guessing, right? We're guessing. What is it? What is the actual experience of a person first day in office? What is it? What is it? What's different from what you expected? What I would want is someone who's not controlled and influenced by special interests and money.

59:42Is that even possible? I don't know. I don't know. There's certainly, there's an extent in which they can be controlled. And, you know, with Biden, I think it's just unchecked. I think it's just 100 % controlled. With Trump, I don't think he was very controlled at all. And I think that was why he was the enemy of the intelligence agencies. He was actively going after them and fired Komi and, you know, made all these statements about the deep state and the swamp. That's a real concern. Unchecked powers, terrifying. And unchecked power that goes around our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Because they're actively trying to infringe upon people's freedom of speech because it inhibits their financial gains.

1:00:24That's scary shit. And that's what we're seeing in this country. And I don't think that ever leads to anything good. There's ever a justification. The thing that makes this country amazing is freedom. It's a giant factor in why there's so much innovation and art and creativity that comes out of this country is freedom. As soon as you inhibit that, whether you're inhibited with social media posts about COVID or whether it's the 100 -biden laptop or you're stopping the flow of information because it's uncomfortable and inconvenient for what you're trying to do. That's on American. And the more we can stop that, the more President can stop that.

1:01:05The better it is for everybody. Who's your President? Do you have a President? Is there a President or a Latter -O -Liam? Have a President. I mean, I would say. You know what I'm saying? Very interested in Robert Kennedy Jr. could get in there. No, no, I'm not talking right now. I'm talking in the past. Like, is there somebody where you're like... No, it's not anybody. I mean, as a spokesperson, as a statesman, it was Obama. He was the best statesman we've ever had. The best speaker. He was an example, in my opinion, of someone who's better than us who's running the country. This is a guy who's like very educated, very articulate, brilliant guy, lawyer, and the way he speaks is presidential.

1:01:38The way he holds himself as presidential. He doesn't get overly emotional. He's not attacking people. It's like I trusted that he was a statesman. He was a shining example of the best of us. Now, when you look at the policies and the attacks on whistleblowers and the drone strikes and all the other shit that happened during that administration and the coup in Russia and like, fuck, there's a lot in Ukraine rather. There's a lot that's from a foreign policy perspective that's very similar to what George Bush was doing. But what they were doing was highlighting social justice issues. And that came about during his administration.

1:02:19And it largely obscured the fact that the foreign policies were very similar to what George Bush was doing. So when you guys go on paddle boarding together, you guys got like something in Austin Lake or... How the fuck did that guy drown? 8 feet, that's deep. 8 feet. Is it? It's not that deep. He's 100 feet from shore. I know. If you're life depended on it, don't you think you'd swim 100 feet? But then you have to think like, did this guy take the vaccine? Did he have a heart attack? I mean, there's people... he's involved in rigorous exercise. Do you think we would ever know what really happened to the guy?

1:02:54I think if he is a vaccine related death, if he got myocarditis from a booster shot and he had a heart attack on the other side of the world, I don't think we're going to find that out. I don't think they would tell us that. What would you find out? How many guys do you have to see that are falling down while they're being interviewed or falling down in the field or having heart attacks while they're 18 years old? I mean, how many of these do they have to have for people? I saw some woman saying that LeBron James' son, what happened was definitely not the vaccine. It had nothing to do with the COVID vaccine.

1:03:27You can't say that because we know it's not true. We know that's not true. We know you don't know that it definitely wasn't the vaccine, especially right after the kid has a heart attack. Unless you are his physician, unless you are doing MRIs on him, unless you find out there's some congenital heart issue that existed from birth, and so you can clearly say this was the problem, you can't say that. It's just propaganda. So you know how there's certain things in life you can't debate with other people because it's personal. For example, let's just say you were always a pro gun guy, a person was.

1:04:08One day he's got guns in the house and a robber comes in in the house. His son grabs the gun and tries to shoot the guy accidentally shoots his wife and the robber shoots the son and the wife die right there. Obviously this is a one and a billion chance, but I'm just saying. So if that happens, he comes home, wife is dead, son is dead, the shooter is dead. Let's just say, okay, in that moment, and he's a proud second amendment NRA member for 30 years. He's a 52 year old guy. Let's just say, okay. When everybody's gone and he's by himself, does he sit there and say, and if I didn't have that gun and I told my 14 year old son that it's going to be above the whatever kitchen, he would have never pulled the gun out.

1:05:01He wouldn't shot his mom and the shooter wouldn't shot him. They would have been here today. You know what? For the rest of my life, I don't believe we should have guns in house. Let's just say that philosophical. Okay. Changes the person's opinion. And you and I, we don't know this guy. We're at dinner and we have a second amendment debate. Okay. And all of a sudden he's like getting emotional. No one should own a gun. I did what is wrong with this guy. What do you mean you should own it? Freedom is this is that's nobody should because you never know what's going to happen. I'm fine with it. Can we ask you why you're saying this and then he walks away and in a sense says, here's what happened to him.

1:05:33Okay. I don't want to debate this guy. I got it. That's a life change and deal. Right. At what point doesn't event needs to happen in an area of your life that you fully agree with to say, dude, I don't care. This doesn't make sense. I have to get to the bottom of this. Did my son. Have a heart attack because of the vaccine that we took or is it politics more than I may be wrong. Well, I think the problem is these people don't have a voice. I know I know. The problem is a boy. Yeah, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to use that voice. I mean, he was attacked for saying that it could be a personal choice.

1:06:09He was attacked by a cream of Doolgebar for saying that he thinks that the vaccine should be a personal choice. But clearly he was right. It should be a personal choice, especially now that we know that it's not just ineffective, but it can also be dangerous for a lot of people. We know that they lied about the studies. We know that they were deceptive. We know that they're covering up the data. Yeah. You know, you know, and that's why I think you are as influential as you are because so guys are asking me a question like, hey, Pat, your friends with Joe, you know, you guys talk you this. What you think he's going to do?

1:06:40Do you have insight? I've never asked Joe. And I don't know whether Joe is going to interview Trump or not, right? But I said, let me tell you what I think of Joe. Here's what I see of Joe of following him and, you know, you and I have had dinner three, four, five times together, some like that. But we haven't like hung out, hung out to really know of each other. Maybe we've spent 20 hours to get a total and a couple of times we're in, you know, Jackson, we had dinner till four, five o 'clock in the morning. That in itself, we had some good times together. But I said, I think he's going to interview Trump.

1:07:10Why do you think he will? I said because Joe's level of maturity is such a level that he's comfortable to say, yeah, I changed my mind. I want to talk to the guy. Okay, most people can't do that because a level of ego stubbornness that we have, we're just not going to do it. Like, no, no, never, never. I'm never going to do it. There's no one. Okay, so Kyrie is in LeBronse here. Kyrie doesn't want to take the vaccine. They don't let the guy play. You know, the whole New York, you know, New Jersey Brooklyn nets or whatever. Yeah, why would you keep Stephen A Smith coming out? This should get rid of him.

1:07:47This man, shame on him. $19 million. You should take the vaccine. It's not the responsible. And, you know, Stephen A is the spokesperson for ESPN. So, well, boom, Stephen A may be a saying what is job is and that's maybe what he believes in. But, but I think what's going to happen is when a guy like you, who I would say pre -2016, 2017, maybe even pre -2019, most of your listeners percentage wise. I don't know if the state is out there or not. I would say most of them would be libertarian if we were to put, you know, right center left, whatever. I would say most of your audience until 2019 was probably center left is what I would put it.

1:08:28Now, you could dispute this degree, whatever. I'm just giving my opinion. Okay. Okay. For the guy that said marijuana should be legal, for the guy that was in documentaries, you were in documentaries talking about, you know, what is this and you're giving you argument kind of kind of kind of kind of makes sense. You know, maybe we should make this legal. You all of us are like, yeah, no, I'm not with the guys for years. I was like, vaccine is what we should say so many lives. And I'm not with it. And then you went on the offensive. And then they went and brought old clips from you because you're a target.

1:09:03And then they spend nearly 300 million dollars of marketing dollars. You know what I'm saying when I say 300 million dollars of all the shit they talked about you. They didn't even know what they did. They made you the guy and it's game over. They screwed up on the way they approached the enemy where I'm going with this Joe is. If this happens to the wrong person where to them, it's not politics over known the truth. The shit's over. And if it's somebody that's part of their camp. You can't all of a sudden say, well, Lebron doesn't know what he's talking about. He's not a doctor. You know, yeah, that person doesn't know what they're talking about.

1:09:39They're they're going to try to demonize them undermining whatever they're going to do with that person right there. But eventually I believe it's going to happen to somebody who was pro vaccine who took the shots who made a decision as a family for their kids to take it. And some's going to happen and they're going to say, I'm sorry, I have to find out for the rest of my life what's going to kind of like RFK has to find out. No, no, what would you guys do to my dad? Well, you're seeing that with Steve Kirsch. Right. Do you know who he is? Pull up his Twitter. His entire Twitter or Kirch Kirch.

1:10:13Okay, Kirch. No, he's a billionaire tech guy who got injured by the Vax. And now he's been on this rampage where he's testifying and writing substats on the left. This is a way I believe at one point in time, true teller critical thinking founder of COVID -19 early treatment fund vaccine safety research foundation entrepreneur for the founder of our 19 early treatment. This was all because of his experience with the vaccine. And he's been on the dark horse podcast with Brett Weinstein and you know, you had a mom. No, I haven't, but he's done a lot of a lot of work trying to expose the dangers of this vaccine.

1:10:55What the real studies show and you know, this comes from a guy who was personally injured by it. And oftentimes that's what happens. A lot of these people that receive like Robert Malone, who holds nine patents on the creation of RM. The mRNA vaccine technology. That guy got injured by the vaccine and then started doing a deep dive on what is actually going on guys like Peter McCullough, who's a. I don't think those are the guys highly respected cardiologist. What do you mean you don't think I think I think they're easy targets to say, look at this conspiracy theorist and he go after. I don't think they're going to move the needle.

1:11:32I so you think it has to be like a public person. I think you moved the needle. I think Elon moves the needle. I think LeBron moves the needle. I think you know Aaron Rogers moves the needle. I think I think Jolkovich moves the needle. I think these types of guys move move the needle because you have to talk about them. When Bill Gates is at Australian open and he can't joke of it cannot play because he suspended due to COVID or whatever. And then the next time he comes and he wins. He wins in front of Bill Gates. That's redemption for a lot of people that said, hey, dude, you took one of the, you know, grand slams away from this guy.

1:12:08He should have water to other grand slams. So I think there's got to be, you know, like for example, you know, your podcast. Who listens to your podcast? You know who listens to your podcast, but you really don't know who listens to your podcast. Joe, think about it. Like, okay, does LeBron listen to your podcast? Is he listening right now when this goes live and he's sitting there talking to his wife. What do you think about Joe says? Is Kyrie sending this text to LeBron and saying LeBron watch the clip from hour and 28 minutes to whatever and look what Joe and P .B .D. are talking about. This is what I was telling you about.

1:12:42There's certain people that watch your podcast. They can't tell anybody that they watch your podcast, right? And those guys are mainstream type of people that watch the podcast. I don't obviously get the messages you get, but I'm sure celebrities text you and they say or DM you and say, hey, I'm agreeing with you, but please don't tell anybody. We're on the same page, but I can't because it's going to risk my tada tada tada. Just been a few of those first time I was on your podcast. A guy called me from Hollywood. He says, hey, I just want to let you know the idea you were pitching to Joe. That you know what if he starts a social media company and you're like, I have no interest.

1:13:13I don't want to do that. I don't know if you remember last time when we talked about it. Like, well, I have the idea like, I said, man, you know, what you want to do? You need Joe if what you want to do that. But the point is when those guys flip, that's problematic. Well, I think they're flipping. I agree. I agree. I think the overwhelming evidence that we've been fucked with. Well, just the lab leak thing, just that alone. When you see the gain of function emails that Fauci was sending to those other scientists and that there's some clear collusion to try to distort the narrative. That's scary shit.

1:13:47That's scary shit that these are the people that we trust our lives to. And when, you know, if you have a child that got vaccine injured and you worry that your child has myocarditis now, their lifespan is shortened, they might be dead in 10 years. Yeah. That's fucking terrifying, especially when you consider the fact that they tried to mandate it for kids when they knew that this wasn't deadly for kids. And they also knew that it didn't stop transmission. They knew it. That's right. They knew it didn't stop transmission. It was all lies. You know, you know, the podcast you did with Bill Burr, where you're like, I would do something really bad to this person.

1:14:25And it was like, Joe, relax. It's not real. It's just a video. It's another guy, you know, that clip with a guy that the that asshole that grabbed that girl. That's right. And you went to a dark place. Right. In your mind, you're like, Oh, brother, I would go to jail for I don't know what you said. You'd go to jail. You said something. You're going to go for the rest of your life. Okay. When I think about RFK, you know, what makes it very pulling with RFK is sometimes you're meeting people for the first interaction, two, three, four, five, I'm like, I don't know if I'm fully there with this guy yet, but let me see.

1:14:57Right. RFK, I had him on the podcast three years ago during COVID. We got a strike. We got another strike. They took it down. We have multiple strikes as of RFK three years ago. And I'm like, I don't know if this guy's a true believer. I don't know if he's just kind of saying this stuff just to say this stuff. One night, we're in Dallas. Dallas is a conservative stick. You know, Texas is a conservative place. And Dallas, some would say more conservative than any other cities in Texas. Our kids are going to a Christian school. My wife comes to me and she says, babe, the kids got to get their vaccines.

1:15:28I said, what are you talking about, babe? We're going to a Christian school. You can get exemption. No, we can't. That's bullshit. Yeah, I'm telling you can our first two three first two kids got all of them. Our third one. We're like, I don't know about that. Okay. So my oldest is 11 972. So go to 2020, whatever 2020, 23 years. So it's eight, you know, six, you know, four and my last one is important. Brooklyn. And I'm like, babe, there's no way this is no babe. I'm telling you they're telling me I need an exception. You know, I need to go out and get the vaccines. It's like, but we're not doing that.

1:16:03I text RF Kates 11 o 'clock. My time. I'm in Dallas. He's his coast. I don't know where he's at at that time. I take a Robert question for you. I know it's late. Maybe you'll call me tomorrow. They're forcing our kids to get the vaccines here and our kids go to a private school and it's a private Christian school and we're kind of surprised. Is this true? 30 seconds later, he calls me. I'm like, I was not expecting to call, right? I pick up the call. I'm like, babe, hey, Robert, it's my wife and I here right next to each other. Oh, hey, and he starts going, they can't do this. Let me see what I can do.

1:16:38He's three ways another lady. 45 minutes later, he's furious that they still have to take it and he's still saying I would think twice before I do something like this for your kid. We get off the phone at this point. It's midnight. Okay. I sit on I said, there is no camera here. It's not like you're doing this to have a show where other people are going to be like, oh, this guy's this guy's this. I told you and I said, babe, this guy's a hundred percent true believer. Right? So his father, they kill his dad, they kill his uncle. How long are you going to spend time thinking about that when he did the interview with news nation and just said, look, this drug thing is a real deal.

1:17:1828 years old. My dad died. I dealt with 14 years of being addicted to drugs and he openly talked to him. I'm like, what a noble guy to talk the way he did. Right? I call them. I said, I just want to know your town hall would, you know, news nation was unbelievable. He said, man, brother, thank you for the car. I needed a pop up and he goes his way. The true believers, I think, are going to wake up. But for some of these true believers that potentially could have a contract with China, potentially could have their business being affected. They have to privately make a decision between one of two things.

1:17:54And this is with anybody else being around. They have to sit there and say, what's more important to investigating what they did to your kid or to your mom or to you or your wife. Or your buying over a contract that you're going to get with China or Hollywood or this. What are you going to do? That is a coward's play if you don't do anything about it. For the rest of your life, publicly you can act as tough as you want. You can go to all the parties you want. But every time you look at your mirror and you're in the car by yourself and you're shaving, you can be like, listen, man, I know you're a coward.

1:18:30That battle, I think, in the next six, 12, 24 months, I think some major names are going to come out and shock the shit out of a lot of people. I'm hopeful that that happens. I think that's the case. And I think the overwhelming amount of evidence that we've been fucked with in LITU is just going to force people into action. And then that's going to be the narrative in the future, I think. I think the narrative in the future is going to be people understanding that they got lied to and realizing that there's this corruption that's been in place for a long time. And when it comes to healthcare, I mean, going back to the AIDS crisis, this is the exact same play that Fauci did during the AIDS crisis.

1:19:07They were literally talking about, there's a video of him talking about remedies for the AIDS crisis when they were talking about AZT. And he says it's the only thing that's available because it's both safe and effective. The only thing that's both safe and effective. The fact that he was able to say that about AZT, which is an out and out lie, that killed untold thousands of people. That was a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was killing people quicker than cancer was killing people. And they started using it on people with HIV and started using a chemotherapy medication where you would take it permanently, which doesn't exist in any other chemo and it killed everybody to do it.

1:19:52And what was the number I don't remember, 12 ,000 dollars, 10 ,000 dollars versus the other option they had with $50 or $100. It's the same thing with Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and the demonizing of off label medications that were generic. So there was no profit in them. And also the emergency use authorization, the emergency use authorization of COVID vaccines. The only way they could get that is if there was no other treatment that was available that was effective. So they had to demonize all effective treatments. That's why they went after me for taking Ivermectin because I got over it quick because I took this medication and I took monoclonal antibodies and IV vitamins and I was better in three days.

1:20:36And so they had to attack me as being a fool for taking veterinary medicine. But the problem is that such a checkers move because anybody could go, is this really veterinary medicine? They look at it and go, oh no, it's on the World Health Organization list of essential medicines. I don't know the guy won the Nobel Prize, created it for use in human beings. Oh no, it actually shows that it stops viral replication in VTRA. There's all this evidence. There's more than 100 random controlled trials on it. It's like the fact that they demonized that one particular medicine. There's only one reason to do that.

1:21:08And that one reason was because that was going to get in the way of the emergency use authorization of COVID vaccines. It's why it's going to catch up. You know, last year I said 2023 is going to be called the Europe Investigations. Everyone's going to get investigated. It's going to be left and right investigations, whether it's the left, the right, all this stuff. Do you think, do you think we're eventually going to find out what Fauci really did? You think it's eventually going to come out while he's alive? I know we know. I know we know. I know we know. But I don't know if it's a mainstream enough yet where, you know, the average person who took it is saying, shit, I should have never taken a lot of people saying you're going to take a lot of people are saying that right now.

1:21:54I have friends that were all in on the vaccine. They were all in. They took it and a bunch of them got hurt by a bunch of them develop problems. Why about it? Why did not allow to about it? Because they're terrified of losing their occupation. They're terrified of losing their job. It's a problem though, especially in Hollywood and entertainment. They're terrified of being ostracized. Look what happened to ice cube. I mean ice cube. They told them they had to get vaccinated for a $9 million movie. And he's like, no, no, not going to do it. Yeah. It's a more guys like a Thai Reese. I don't know if you saw Thai Reese speaking out recently.

1:22:26No, I didn't say Thai Reese talked about Satan and the dark side of Hollywood and what it's going on. And I think the other actor is a Tom Holland. I don't know if it's Tom Holland. One of the actors did a podcast with Jay Shetty. And he says, yeah, I don't want to be in Hollywood. I'm trying to distance myself as much as from Hollywood, not in a bad way. I just don't want that life. I want a simple life. I want this. I want that. You know, more and more people are kind of starting to see, you know, the trend of what it's going on. But I still don't think Joe enough people are out for given a, you know, a conclusive evidence that we know for a fact, no, this is what happened.

1:23:08I think it's like the JFK assassination where it's what percentage of people you think the government was involved for JFK assassination, you know, 64 % 67 % used to be 22 % know the government didn't do know like we're at what he called it the restaurant we were at a minute ago, capital grill. So, and I see LBJ's picture there right in front of the restaurant. I'm like, I don't know LBJ because in capital grow the way they do it is each capital girl you go to they have paintings of people from that city. So I'm like, I didn't know I thought LBJ is from Dallas. So I Google, you know, capital, you know, LBJ is from Austin.

1:23:40Okay. So till today was he behind it. You know, was the Jack Ruby and this guy in, you know, the videos and this came out and that came out and who was being there? The Warren commission, you know, what happened here 67 % 64 % think it was the government being behind it. But we don't know 100 % you know Fauci. Yeah, I think as time goes by more people are going to say, man, this was a shit show. You guys are fraud. You heard millions of people. But is it going to be public coming out telling us what happened? Well, the problem is the media is never going to go along with it. The media has a narrative that they pushed forward during the pandemic, especially when Biden was elected.

1:24:24That that that narrative, they're never going to be able to say we were wrong. They don't say that. They never correct. They never say that. I mean, the closest you get is like where I talked about Dr. Lee to win on CNN saying that she think that the actual vaccine desert 30 % yeah. You don't see those talking heads, buck that narrative because there's no benefit. They could just gloss over it and continue to do what they do and not lose the respect of the people that watch. Yeah. But there's going to be a certain amount of people if they say we were wrong. We were wrong. And this is a real problem.

1:24:56But the difference between real journalism and corporate sponsored mainstream journalism. Yeah. It's huge. There's a we used to have real journalism where people would do investigative journalism and get to the heart of things. Find out what the problems post these things then everyone would know, oh, this has been exposed. But now you have places like the New York Times that are involved in propaganda. The people that we've always trusted. They're they'll they'll bullshit Washington Postable bullshit. MSNBCs pure propaganda network. CNN is largely propaganda. They like when that the archer testimony the other day that you were talking about that who's covering that?

1:25:39Who's covering that? Who's covering this? How groundbreaking thing where so holy shit and did you see what they said? Yes, they said, oh, you know, there's no such thing as the 20 conversations were really about you know President Biden was asking about how the weather was. That's actually what they said. They said they were wondering how the weather was and you know the fact that he was asking about his oldest son. And they were having conversations about that. The level of deflection and the guys like no 20 times we had a call. And he knew we had business dealings. Yeah. Well, it's pretty obvious to just look at the amount of money that kid generated.

1:26:16Yeah. Like how did he get all that money? Like what what was the qualifications for him that just that alone? You do not hunter. Yeah, just that alone. He's a he's a world renowned artist. I mean, what do you think that was when they were selling those paintings for like a half a million dollars? Is that money laundering? Like what is that show? Yeah, come on show. I mean at first I thought it was psychos. I thought it'd be funny to own a hundred Biden painting. And then I thought like maybe there's like deals. Have you actually seen what they look like? No, I have not. But they actually look good.

1:26:47I think I did. I think they actually look decent. I don't I don't think it's a bad art. That's pretty good art. I kind of stuff you do when you're on crack. But I would buy one of those if it wasn't that much. That's actually good art. Yeah, I actually think it's good art. But half a million people a lot of crazy people are good artists. But here's the question though. The question becomes that's actually good stuff. You know, sometimes you read a book and you're like that guy's a you know, he used a ghost writer. He didn't write that book. The criticism. You know, I ordered the deal. Somebody else wrote that book.

1:27:13Trump didn't write that book. Is that a ghost artist? You know, like can you imagine it's is hunter hiding hiring a artist who does it, but he's really doing it. And he's given that guy like five grand apart. He's actually doing it. Has he always been an artist? What do you call artists? I mean, is he always done art like anyone's an artist. My child is an artist. She's not professional. But I mean, if you create art, you're an artist. If it's something that you engage in on a regular basis, you're an artist. If you go fishing all the time, you're a fisherman. You know, are you a fisherman? I'm a fisherman.

1:27:45I like fishing. You know, I'm saying like he's an artist. Like is this something that he's pursued and gotten really good? It's totally possible to crack it. It was really in a hookers and also be an artist. So I mean, that's like common. Like look at Bukowski. Great poet. Fucking maniac alcoholic. Yeah, psychopath. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you think that's what it is. Could you think in his mid 50s, he becomes a world renowned artist? Well, was he an artist already? Can you check? I don't know if he was a guy. Listen, if we've never talked about it, maybe because he wasn't an artist, but here, here's the question.

1:28:18Do you know what percentage of art is fake? Do you know what percentage of art is fake? What do you mean by fake? You mean it's not real? Like it's it's not a real piece of art. It's fake. It's not AI generated. Not AI generated, but 70 % of art, if you if you Google this, what percentage of art sold is fraud? You would see a number 65 to 74 % 65 to 70 something percent of art is fake. But when you say fake, do you mean counterfeit? Like not done by the original artists. So there was a guy who hires a local artist who draw a painting who had a style of Picasso like Picasso. This guy pays a guy like 500 bucks.

1:29:02Okay. Then he takes the art and he reaches out to Picasso and says, hey Picasso, he's on his deathbed. The guy's not doing well. He's not healthy. He says, can I come? There's this kid that admires you. He wants to show you the art to see if you think his work is good. He goes to Pablo shows him the art. Pablo says, yeah, it's okay. It's a well great. I'll go tell him that. But before I leave, do you mind if I take a picture with you? So they take a picture with them. Okay. Then Pablo dies. Now you have Pablo's last art that. So this is the kind of stuff that there is a lot of gamesmanship in art collectible cards, right?

1:29:40For the longest time cards, people were selling fake cards. There were prints reprint some of them did a good job. Some of them didn't. People were falling for it. Or they would cut the edges with a, you know, scissors and the corners would get better because it was shitty before. Like instead of selling it for 500 bucks. Now they're selling for $1200. And so the $20 is a pain of $124, right? That happened in cards until PSA showed up or BVG or BGS or Beckett showed up. Now there's a grading service. Art is going through that as well. But for me, I don't know if they're such thing as, you know, ghost artist, you know.

1:30:14Are you aware of the last of inchy? Do you know that? Yeah, the 400 million dollar one. That's a wild story. That's a wild story. Have you followed it all the way to the beginning? Yeah. It's crazy. I've done many deep dives on that. I watched the documentary and how it was created. Yeah. There's literally a person who painted that painting. Most of that painting was done by one person who replicated the style that Leonardo da Vinci did when they when they restored. Yep. The word is restored. But it's not restoring. It's repainting. So that is a new painting essentially. Somebody paid $400 million for me.

1:30:53Yeah. Well, I think he's very embarrassed by it too, which is why he wanted it in the Louvre in Paris. Yeah. He wanted it to be next to the Da Vinci. They wouldn't allow it. And so now it's not there. But somebody paid a hundred million for prior to him. So it's not like he was the final one. Right. And originally sold for like $5 ,000 in 1940. I don't know the year, but it's a long time ago when it's sold for five or $10 ,000. Yeah. It's there's. It's very complicated. But there's a giant interest in making that a real painting. Because if you do make it a real painting of Leonardo da Vinci, it's worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

1:31:29But if you know the just the restoring process. Yeah. And again, the the word restoring is very strange because it's repainting and it's documented. They have film of this person painting this over a long period of time. Years restoring this thing. So you get what you see there. But when you see like the original painting and how they stripped away the old paint and went back and restored it. It's fucking wild. So you're a big art guy. I mean, I like art. I'm interested in art. Do you buy like heavy, expensive pieces of art? No, no, nothing crazy. Is there anything you're into or? I mean, I mean to this painting here of Mitzi Schor is my friend Taylor Bose.

1:32:15He's an artist who created that for us. He also made me a Hendrix out there. I mean, obviously I have art over the studio. I'm interested in art. But I'm not interested in art because it's valuable. I'm interested in art because I like it. Oh, I like that piece. That's interesting. Yeah, that's. That's beautiful. Oh my God. And I didn't know what he says. It's based on a pen. So I went close to it. And you know, it's got a syringent to bottom with those. You know, heroin and it's got the very interesting. Is this a famous artist that her name is Melania Blackman, pull up her Instagram. She's really good.

1:32:50She did the one of me too when you walk right into the heart. Yeah, yeah. So that's another that's someone that I found on Instagram. She's extremely talented. She does that with the. She's a very distinctive style. Oh, I can't believe it. That's the board name. That is incredible. Yeah, when she when she made that piece, I reached out to her immediately. I have to buy that. Good for her. I mean, she's incredible. She's really, really, really talented. Yeah. And by the way, for the audience that's watching this, if you see it from 10 yards away, it looks like a complete different piece. Yeah. If you're close to it, it's different versus being 10 yards away from it.

1:33:25Yeah. Yeah. She's also smoking hot. That helps. She's also smoking hot. Yeah. What I mean, if the artist paints like a nice clothes, she looks good. Not naked though. No, no, it's not. Oh, she's just a very attractive artist. That's great. Would a pen. Yeah, would a pen. Yeah, it's a very unique style that she does. Yeah. So this is her creating the thing. Yeah. It's documented. I mean, she she documented all of it. Oh, so she does a video of it while she's going through it. Well, she has. She's done some videos. I wonder what the process is like how long it takes her to do that. I don't know.

1:33:59She's super, super talented though. Yeah. She's got a lot of examples of her work that is on her Instagram page. It's really good stuff. But that's what I like. I like art like Greg overton stuff. You see a lot of those Native American paintings out there. I think that guy's fantastic. Yeah. And so I buy a few of his pieces. So are you like is your next move getting maybe like a nice hunter Biden piece in your work? Yeah, one. It wasn't too. I'm not. I mean, they're a little overpriced. By the way, how would that interview be if he was on the podcast? I tried to get him. Did you try to get them to that?

1:34:33They offered him. They offered him to me. Like they sent, you know, like they send out these. I get this list of people that are trying to get on the podcast. And one of them was hunter Biden early on. What's your before the laptop stuff before any of that? Like when he was thinking about coming out with a book. Like I think that remember when he came out with his book and he went on camel and he talked about. Yeah, I was like, oh, should I fuck that? And then I thought about it afterwards. I go, why not? And then I reached out and then they passed. But that was when he was already in trouble.

1:35:03Did that would be insane. That would be insane. Let me ask you Hunter Biden or Trump, which one do you think gets more eyeballs for a podcast? Trump. Trump for sure. Trump is going to break the internet. Yeah, Trump would be like Elon Musk numbers. That would be pretty crazy. But I don't do things based on how many people are going to watch. Yeah, I do things based on whether or not I'm interested in talking to that. Totally get it. Now, you know, it's interesting. But from a fans perspective, you know, where you're kind of looking at numbers. A fan says. Which is going to be bigger or the other, but the talent, the artist, you don't think about it from that perspective.

1:35:38You know, for I think about whether or not I'm interested in someone. That's it. That's what I've always done. So that's what I always do. Like do I want to talk to this person? I don't talk to that guy. So I don't talk to them. Yeah. It's very simple or maybe sometimes people I don't want to talk to, but I think it's worth it's a discussion worth having. I'll have that discussion. Who was your most difficult where you're doing the interview? Like did I can't wait for this thing to finish? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I've had a few of those. I've had a few that weren't released. Because the person was like a con artist and I realized I want to talk in it.

1:36:11They're full shit. Oh, no shit. One of those pretty recently. Yeah, you got to know, I mean sometimes people are just playing you and it's a scam. You know, and you realize like this guy can get this information out. This could potentially harm people. One in vest in his bullshit idea. And then you find out the person has a long history of being a scammer. You're like, okay, I can't have this one. But you know, most conversations I have with people luckily are great because they're someone that I'm interested in talking to and I'm curious. And I'm a nice person. So when they come in, I'm nice to them.

1:36:47I want them to even if I disagree with them, I want to find out why they think what they think. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing you and Trump together. I think, okay, I'll tell you from my perspective, like on why you ought to consider it when you do do it. I'll just give you my, okay, just so you know, he and I don't speak, you know, it's not something that is like, hey, his camp saying go in there and do this and do that. I've never interviewed the guy. So it's not like I'm, you know, lobbying for it. But I think if you know, when you think about sports or you think about fights, what is the boxing world if Frazier Ali never happens, right?

1:37:27What is the UFC world if DC John Jones doesn't happen or could be Conor doesn't happen and they're both at their peak and those fights don't happen. We can go on with sports, you know, with baseball, with, you know, interviews of Oprah Winfrey Michael Jackson, you know, you go look at, you know, some of these things that happen with Larry King or her and, you know, a bunch of different guys. He's a guy that's probably the most misunderstood by a side and a guy that I think he's misunderstood more way. I think I think the media is really painted this guy to be evil. I had, you know, like, I like to talk to people I fully disagree with.

1:38:08And I think they're delusional in certain areas to understand like what makes you believe what you just said, right? Like I don't understand what you just tell me how you could be that convinced you're right, right? Right. Jank was on the podcast yesterday and Jank is convinced he's a better businessman than Trump. I mean, how could you say something like, but he's convinced and he says, no, he's a loser. Trump said, loser said, dude, what do you mean he's there's only two things he's one in his life. I said, there's only two things he's one in his life. Yes. Yeah, there's only two things he's ever one in his life.

1:38:42And this the second time, Jank and I have a conversation together. Politically, we're on very different sides. I'm just trying to find out why do you think this way, right? And he says, yeah, only two things is a great marketer. I needed this. That's the first of all 15 years. You know, apprentice. Good luck. Go to know he had great producers. I don't care if you have the greatest producers in the world. You can hire any producers Joe has and go try to match Joe's numbers with podcasts. Yeah, because it's as producers. No, it's it's a lot of work. 15 years book. How many years does art of the deal does well.

1:39:15Yeah, but Pat, imagine if you started with $430 million. You would have been rich and then him to that's a $430 million. What's this $430 million? He got $430 million. Are you like counting in today's money versus well, you know, it's estimated this. Okay, he got a million. He got 14 million. No problem. He got family money. I'm willing to make the case. That you are more likely to screw up your life if your family gives you money. He says, what do me? I said, so I went and studied. I got four kids. Now we're going, you know, we've done a state planning multiple times, but now I just sold the insurance company.

1:39:45So I have to sit there and see what am I going to be doing with some of this money that came out of nowhere. Goldman Morgan. I said, I'm going to be in a state planning. Do we do this? Do we do that? Let's go study. We put our research team go find out who did it right out of all the families. Okay, the Medici family. Seven generation. They kept a wealth within the family. What did they do? And boom, boom, boom, boom. Great. Vanderbilt family. The money lasted one generation. Maybe two. Like when you know Anderson Cooper's mom's like, look, we're Vanderbilt's, but you ain't get nothing. You gotta make your own money, right?

1:40:16Okay. You know, the Rockefeller family, they're at three or four. Okay, we can go through all these families, most of them that get a lot of money, the kid becomes a what drug addict drug dealer spoil. They don't work. They're not this. They're not that. Okay. So let's just say he did get the money. And he still doesn't do drugs. And he doesn't do alcohol and his vices women. And he works as a soft and business and he makes it where he makes it to. Yeah, it's it's very easy to make the argument that actually if you do come with money, it's a harder life than a person that doesn't get money to have that drive an ambition.

1:40:53Not necessarily it's a harder life to have that fire, the ambition that, you know, you got you can't teach that you either got it. You don't have it, right? Okay. So then we go into politics. Let me get to straight this guy wins in New York. He becomes a billionaire. He wins on TV. He's one with women. He's partied with everybody. In 1988, he's doing an interview with Oprah Winfrey and Oprah Winfrey says, hey, you sound like he's gonna run for office. Now I have no interest. But if I ever did, I'd win. Okay. Then he runs everybody thinks it's just a marketing deal that he's doing. And when he wins, I don't know if you remember when he walked down, he's like, even him himself, they were kind of like surprise babe, we just we just want.

1:41:33Right. And the day before the odds were if you bet $100, you know, you'd have to bet $350 to win $100 on Hillary. But if you bet $100, I think you went $550 with Trump or some number like that. The underdog one, the greatest underdog of all time of politics, right? Okay. So let's fast forward 20 years from now. Let's go to 2043. We're doing a podcast, you're 75. Okay. I don't know if you're doing podcasts, but that'd be one hell of a podcast at 75. And maybe we feel a little bit more comfortable coming out at that time because we're traditionalists, we're older generation, then maybe we're a little bit more careful about what people think about us right now.

1:42:11But at 75, we look back and we look at the list of podcasters, who are the greatest podcasts of all time? Joe, Joe Rogan at the top coat. Who's the greatest this, this, this, this is that is like, dude, but he never interviewed that guy Trump. I'm going to be like, what are you talking about? Wait, let me get to straight the greatest podcaster of all time, never interview Trump at a time that he didn't do that. Dude, that's great. I don't believe it. Why not? It had to be personal. It had to be this. So to me, I think the guy that's going to interview him in a way that nobody else is going to interview him.

1:42:53You, you're going to ask some questions that you want to know about. Like, you know, hey, what happened with JFK? Are we really going to find out? Can you commit to us? Are you going to come out with a files or no? So I really want to know last time you said you did, but you only gave us 80 % are we going to get the other 20 % aliens? What the hell is going on with these aliens? Are we going to know or know? Can you give us a glimpse? Do you think we should know? I think you tell you anything about that. But what I'm saying, I think that would be wasted time. Yeah, but what I'm saying is whatever angles, whatever angles you choose to take.

1:43:18Okay, it's your show. You get to take whatever angles you want to take. I think it'd be very weird to look back. There's going to be no mainstream media 20 years from now. You know that I know that to look back and say Joe never interview Trump. That's kind of weird. So that's my pitch to you. I like weird. You like weird things are weird. I don't know about that. I think I think, you know, I think one. Why don't you interview? Why don't I interview? I think if I give you my assessment on why have you ever tried. I'll give you my assessment on why I think. Okay. I think if he's him, okay, your hero, Joe, everybody else is below you.

1:44:03In this space, not mainstream. In mainstream, he'll do Tucker. He'll do, you know, Megan Kelly, whatever. I don't know if he's done making chaos and done it. He'll do Tucker. He'll do Brett pair. He'll do Hannity. He'll do all that stuff. But in this lane, we're in. You have to do you first. Then comes everybody else. He can't do that. So I think we come after you come. Okay. I know this sounds crazy to you. Have you tried to get him on? We've talked about doing it multiple times. It almost happened. But it never ended up happening. One of the times was in 2015, 2016. We were talking a whole picks.

1:44:44This is early on. This is when we had like a hundred thousand subscribers or like a small show. No one knows who we are. We're tiny. We're not doing anything crazy yet. And you know, 2015 or 2016 was a 20. Yeah, 2015, 2016. We're talking to hope. And I don't know if you remember whole pigs. You know, she was a rock star. But it was trying to figure out who this girl is. Who's underground dropped at gorgeous girl. Great. I getting stuff done. And we're on a call. Yes, we're doing it. It's going to happen the next day. He makes a comment about Muslims. We talked to her. She says, guys, we have so many requests from mainstream media.

1:45:19We just don't have the bandwidth right now. So that was the missed opportunity in 2015, 2016 based on what hope told us. Now, you know, in regards to us to an interview, we would absolutely do an interview because I think our audience, we take a different angle with the guy as well. But if I'm his advisor, if I'm his advisor, I would advise him. You can't go to anybody else unless you go to Joe first. And I'm telling you for like from a perspective of if I'm his counsel, I would say you go to Joe, then you go XYZ. Everybody else is XYZ Joe. You're Joe. Everyone else is XYZ. Okay. And I think he knows that.

1:46:01And I think the person in control right now is not him. It's you. Like the person in control with Hunter is Hunter's camp, not you. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the 100 no Joe, they get to whoever gets to say no, they're in control. Right. So, but from your perspective, what's going on in America today? I would say if you don't do the podcast with him, you're helping the establishment and you're helping a guy named Joseph Biden. I think you're helping that person. That's kind of weird. But indirectly in your mind, you're helping Joseph Biden win by not interviewing a truck. Did you come on this podcast specifically to get me to interview?

1:46:48You brought up Trump multiple times. I never brought it up. It seems like you did. I think you did. I could tell you Joe, don't go live with this podcast and keep it until you do Trump's interview. And then say, Pat told me, don't do it. And then they're going to release this even if it's three months from now. I wouldn't care if you did that. I your guy's support. I respect. I love the work you're doing. I'm talking to you as if the camera's not on right now. Don't go live with this. Go live a week after Trump. And we can date it right now. We can show the phone. It's three 12 August second Wednesday.

1:47:20Okay. Here's camera. If you don't go live with this until after Trump, I don't care. Well, I'm going to go live. I'm just saying to you from my perspective, what I'm trying to tell you, I don't want you to think there is a, you know, my purpose, purpose of being here in Austin. I've been working on a gift for you for God knows how long, which at the end of the podcast, when you said we're done, I'll show you, you know, couple of these gifts. I wanted them to us a while to get. I came here because, you know, as a Middle Eastern, you're opening up a comedy club. We talked, you know, you dreamed the way you build it.

1:47:53Everybody, you know, tells me I got to go, I got to go, I'm like, dude, I got to go, but I don't want to go empty handed. So I came here to give you gifts. Then you said, if you're here, let's do podcast. I said, no, prom. Let's do the podcast. So now we're here, you know, I'm going to give you gifts all that stuff. No one's here with a motive. The motive is as a friend, as a guy that's in the same space as you. And you're the one. Michael, you're the Brady of the space. I'm encouraging Michael and Brady to consider this. That's it. Okay. Yeah, consider it. Yeah, there you go. All right. Thank you.

1:48:26Jamie, what's the chances this thing's going live? Oh, 100 % yeah, 100 % 100 % yeah, this is going to get well in the area. I if you love you. No, I don't want you to think. I don't want you to think there is a motive in something that this person wants from you. Yeah, I don't think that. But I do think you would like me to interview Trump. I've been very clear about there's no question about that. Oh, I'm not. And I said this to you in a text a year ago when you know I said so. But yeah, I do want to see it selfishly. As a fan. Well, it was interesting to watch RFK and the reaction to RFK, which is pretty was pretty wild.

1:49:03And you know, he's a pretty serious underdog. But the the blowback was wild. Wild to see. And specifically about vaccine stuff. And then, you know, the Peter Hotezes and all the people that say that he's dangerous, like come debate him. And they would they did not want to debate him. He I wanted to have him on because of his book because I read the real Anthony Fauci. And if that book is accurate. First of all, it's not accurate. How is he not being sued? I think it is. What a book. It's a fucking shit. I cannot recommend that book enough. But I also should say that it's very depressing. And I listened to that book in the sauna.

1:49:47Like so I was particularly tortured while I was listening to it. Because I'm listening to it. It's 185 degrees in the sauna while I'm listening. And I went for days where I had to not listen to it. I just listen to fiction. Because I just couldn't I just didn't want to absorb at all when they're talking about what they did with foster kids in New York with their spearmaning vaccines on them. And how many of them died? It's fucking angry. Did you get the rage? That's because that's what I got. Yeah. Furious. Furious at the regulators. Furious at the people that allowed it to happen. Furious at Fauci.

1:50:17Furious at the fucking psychopaths that were involved in this. It's it's horrible. And it makes you reconsider everything. I know a lot of people that were and me myself were staunchly pro vaccine said vaccines are one of the most important health innovations in human history. And now I look at it differently. Now I look at it like I don't think they're honest. I don't think they're honest about everything. I'm not saying vaccines are bad. But I'm saying I do not think they're honest. Yeah. I don't think they're honest about the side effects. I don't think they're honest about the repercussions.

1:50:48And I think there is a massive interest in making money. And the more vaccines you give people the more money they make from them. The fact that there's a immunity to prosecution. All that is fucking crazy. The fact that none of the 72 mandated vaccines have gone through vaccine safety trials. They've gone through double blind placebo controlled studies. It's fucking terrifying. And when he talks about that and Fauci says that's not true. And then he asked Fauci to give him the information. He said, I'll send it to you. And then after a while they had to admit it doesn't exist. There is no there are no safety trials for the mandated vaccines for children.

1:51:27You know, and you asked people, have you read the book? How would I read it? It's a conspiracy theory. I don't want to why wouldn't want to read a book by a guy like that? I said, if it's so wrong. If you go on Amazon, I don't know how many reviews it's got Jamie right now on Amazon. That book Fauci's books got 30 ,000 plus reviews. He sold a couple million copies. And it's not like he went through Simon and Schuster or Penguin or anything like that. Right. And so yeah. So how come no one's investigating him? How come no one's questioning it? How come no one's tearing it apart? How come no one's sitting there saying when I first bought the book.

1:51:55I think it's like six or seven hours. I don't have time to go through 700 page book right now. Then I made the mistake of start reading. There's five more pages, 10 more pages, 20 more pages. Yeah, 23 ,000. Same. Yeah. And saying that's in five star. Look at it's five stars. Yeah. That is unbelievable. Our 4 .8 stars that have sold millions of copies. Culas. Yeah. So, so by the way, what do you think about Mark Cuban? Because I know Mark responded and, you know, he said what you guys are doing is exactly what mainstream is doing. You know that whole exchange with Mark also advertised his drug company, which is same tweet.

1:52:32Yeah. Fuck out of here with that. I know about his exchanges with the Bravo, Laura and the, the, the young journalist and the, the different exchanges they've had back and forth. I'm, I don't think he knows what he's talking about. I don't think he's no, he knows what he's talking about about the side effects. I don't think he's knows what he's talking about the dangers of my own carditis. The idea that it's like nothing and it goes away quickly. It's not true. No, no, I don't think he's accurate. I don't think he's right. I think he has a vested interest in his position. He's had that position for a long time.

1:53:04The position of mandating vaccines for his players. I think, you know, that's his, that's his place. That's his stance. I don't agree with it. But, you know, it is what it is. I met the guy before. I like him. I liked him when I met him. It's a nice guy. Yeah. Communicated with him in the past about other things. But I think, you know, he has a very specific mindset. I think the left, that's a good candidate for the left. If they want a guy like that, I think they'd be a good candidate for him. How much Joe have you looked at, you know, Larry Fink, Soar O, State Street, you know, Vanguard, Black Rock?

1:53:38How much have you looked at what they're doing and what their ties are? I've looked at it. Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty much running everything. Yeah. Yeah. SMP 500, you know, the number, dad, 88 % of the companies on SMP 500, 88 % of them, the largest shareholder of those companies is either State Street, Black Rock or Vanguard. 88 % of them. Okay. And then you see their influence in defense contracts. Okay. So we went through a deal. I'm like, let me see if this, these guys, this ESG, Larry Fink, Vanguard, State Street, if they have any influence on military contract, defense contracts, if you Google the largest shareholder for Raytheon, three out of the four top shareholders of Raytheon, Black Rock, State Street and Vanguard.

1:54:33It could be top three with Raytheon, but I think it's three out of four. If you go look up general dynamics, if you go look up, Boeing, if you go look up, you know, Northrop Grumman. Okay. And then you work backwards and you say, okay, how much money is that in what these guys are doing? You'll find our, you know, the amount of money we spent in our military, $744 billion on how much we're making from defense, but you'll see some numbers saying last year is 13 % of our GDP, which is around $850 billion. That's more than the next 10 combined. We gave more money to Ukraine, then Russia spent under military last year.

1:55:19And when you look at these contracts, then you're like, okay, Fink is there, these guys are there. Okay. Let's go look at Hollywood. Same thing you see there. Let's go look at pharmaceutical. Let's go look at this and you're like, wait a minute. These guys essentially have a monopoly. Well, how big is Black Rock? $10 trillion. How big is $10 trillion? Only two countries have a bigger GDP than what Black Rock has assets under management, US and China. That's how big Black Rock is. So then they went and they started getting all these other guys to sign on and say, hey, we want you to participate with the same thing as what would ESG.

1:55:57And they ended up having, I think that 31 signers, I think end of 2020, they got 60 something signers for a total of $70 trillion of assets under management that they're controlling. So now they're controlling other places and just recently if you saw the rebuilding of Ukraine, did you see this contract? Rebuilding of Ukraine, $400 billion contract. Black Rock and Chase is helping rebuild Ukraine. And then, okay, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but what the hell is going on here? They have that much control to get everybody to do what they want them to do. Yes. So Dylan Mulvaney, who cares? Why?

1:56:39Bud Light. How does that tie up? You got the DI, the HRC, the human rights and all this stuff. And then you go even deeper, which is even a crazier part with the education schools, like the biggest union we have in America, I think it's national education. So the education, something NEA is the largest union we have, three million teachers are part of that union. And you look at that and you go deeper and that would open society and who's funding it, who's the money behind these organizations? Comes back, Soros, Soros, Soros. How do you feel about the kind of power they have right now to fight against them?

1:57:19Because this isn't like a billionaire can come out and say I'm going to go up against these guys. They don't have a little bit of money. A billionaire to these guys is nothing. They got the kind of control that can make companies fire boards, they can replace CEOs, they can replace leaders if they don't like. They have their hands so much into it where many times when people say they, the people of power, the people of power, I'm kind of like who are the people of power? Are you convinced these guys are really running the world or what do you think about what some of these bigger companies are doing like State Street, Vanguard and BlackRock?

1:57:53Well, they certainly have massive amounts of influence. What do you think they're doing? The question is how do you fight it? Like for example, the way we fight mainstream is by what? The show that we do. And we have to be patient. It's going to take two, three, four, five, 10, 20 years. Now you have some influence. Okay, we can fight. There is an actual strategy on how to fight that. No problem. You got a kid in school who's a bully. He's bigger than you. He keeps bullying you. You have a strategy on how to beat the guy. You take a year, jujitsu, two years, distanced at, boom, one fight. He knows I'm never going to touch Joe again.

1:58:31Screw this thing. I'm not doing this normal, right? There is a play to it. When you have this much, Joe 88 % of SMP 500 companies. That is a form of a monopoly. If I'm a president, whether it's a Trump or whoever else goes out there and does it. Our monopoly law in America is 50%. They say 50%. Like if you tie and sit at what point is a 50 % I don't cause with the FTC. Like we had one of our guys technology we were using. The FTC call and said, hey, we want to have a call with you because they're thinking about buying this other technology company and we're worried it's going to be a monopoly.

1:59:06So we had the call. Okay. At the end of the call with us with a bunch of different people. We said, we love their product. We love their product. That deal didn't end up happening. The monopoly law. Some of these guys are influencing it. But they say 50 % is a monopoly law. Do you know how many people in America have an iPhone versus droid? You know what the numbers market shares in America with iPhones? I think it's like 60. 58 % 60 % that is already a monopoly. But who's knocking on the door of Apple Tim Cooks and Hey Tim you got 58 % that's breaking the monopoly law. Nobody is. I think someone's got a break apart.

1:59:42You know in 1993. I don't know which senator it was. They these guys that were trying to get the defense contractors to be better at the pricing. What they were charging because they were overcharging D .O .D. and D .O .D. people don't know what the hell is going on. They're like, yeah, okay. How much 68 million dollars do it? 1 .2 billion dollars do it. I'm not going to over negotiate the money. They took 51 defense companies and they brought it down to only five. It's only five companies right now when you want to buy anything. Think about that. So defense contractors is five. We know how these guys make money earlier.

2:00:17You know I was asking you question. Why do you think vaccine like pat? That's how they make their money. Right. I mean if a if you and I run a hotel rooms are empty. We're not making money. We need people to stay in the rooms. If we want to run a hospital. We need people on the beds to make money. Yeah. If there's no people on the beds. We ain't making money. If these five contractors are fighting for 744 billion dollars. What do they want more of wars? They want more people dying. You know the Papa John saying. Better ingredients. Better pizza. Papa John's. You know these guys is more wars. More people dying.

2:00:52More profits. Defense contractors. Right. That's a valid concern that I have. Because behind closed doors. This whole military industrial complex when you look at the numbers. Whoever becomes the president. Unfortunately. This guy's an anti establishment president. Good. Unfortunately if you're an anti establishment president. Everyone's going to come after you. Especially these military defense contractors. So if a president got up and said if I'm going to be the president. Here's what we're going to be doing. We have to look at all the contracts. You can overcharges. We have to open it up. You have to sell some of your companies.

2:01:28You have to let them be independent again. You have to do this. You have to let them go public separate. Whatever way you got to break them apart to have competition again. Because we don't have that today. You know so that is a major concern where we say we have a commander in chief. But really the commander in chief is Larry Fink today. The guy running black rock is really the president of the United States. If we look at the kind of influence he's got in every industry Joe. And he's like well you know I kind of feel bad. I'm ashamed that all the weaponization the word you know. ESG is being used and all this other stuff and you'll on tweeted about the ESG.

2:02:09I don't know if you remember when you'll on tweeted about ESG saying the S in ESG is satanic. So this is a part where even a Charlie Munger who was Warren Buffett's partner says look I love Larry Fink. But I'm not interested in having an emperor. Some words like that he said about Larry Fink. This mode of him by the way Larry Fink is an interesting guy because he majored in college political science. His aspirations was politics. He accidentally got into money and he learned the trade and then he lost 100 million dollars at 36 years old I think and then he teams up with Schwartzman and they start this company and after couple years I got 5 billion under management 8 billion and 32 billion.

2:02:49And then they have a difference because you know he wants to give equity and Jamie's you know Schwartzman's like no name they separate. But influence of politics you get into business your billionaire. It's you sorrows. So I'm I'm extremely concerned about what these guys are up to and we think our president is the most powerful person that person is not because being a closer is going to be like look guys let's relax that guy's only going to be there for 48 years we're going to be alright he'll be out we're running the world we're OK we were running America. But now we're running the world we control all the ETFs in America we're controlling all the stuff.

2:03:26Everyone has to come through us and we can tell everybody what to do because everybody fears not getting money from us being downgraded a Tesla on ESG score is nothing but a Philip Morris gets an a rating how to hell the company that's Philip Morris has a better environmental social governance score D .I. You know not D .I. But the C .I. the score they give it over Tesla. So they can bully some of these guys now Ilan is vocal. Ilan can stand up. Ilan's not the guy that can be bullied. But some of these other guys that don't have 150 million followers and they don't know the company called Twitter.

2:04:06They may be billionaires they may be 50 million auto guy CEOs. But they got to sit there and say babe if you say something you're going to lose your 26 million dollar your salary. Just do what Larry tells you to do imagine if you had control of 88 % of CEOs of S .M .P. 500 companies what kind of influence do you have? So to me as a person when I ask you earlier what are your top five things you would want somebody to run on. I think somebody's got to figure out a way to break those companies apart. Do you think that's possible? Do you think they would ever allow that to happen? I do think it's possible but I also think it's possible that that person who does it is risking a lot of things.

2:04:48There's a lot of risk you know for example again going back to Jank I love hearing these types of arguments. It's like oh you know I said did you watch Oppenheimer I did I think you watch Oppenheimer oh yeah I'm so good. So anyways when you watch Oppenheimer it's a three hour movie they could have done it in two hours but if you're somebody that's interested in that stuff you got to watch it so I had to go watch it okay. I said what do you think about the ending what he says to Einstein I won't say what he said but they had an Einstein and have a meeting at the end at this place and how look what we invented right.

2:05:22He says oh there is no way I want the button to be controlled by Trump no way it would be a World War III. I said okay fine Jank friendly conversation we have four years of track record of what happened under Trump no wars peace no one talked about ISIS people forgot about ISIS all we feared was ISIS all of a sudden we're not talking about ISIS and the place was fine. He wanted people to stop dying right there's nothing going on on all these other play yeah but look what he did with Edel you know you know shelled in Edelson or you know the whole thing with the hundred million dollars say but he didn't take money from the establishment he wasn't controlled by those guys.

2:06:08So when you think about what is really going on and what could happen with it I think it's going to be a lot of work but I think it's a big risk on the person that decides to go after these guys. There's certain people you go after you better be ready for it I think going after Black Rock State Street and Vanguard is going to be formidable. Has anybody openly stated they want to do that? I think Vivek is a person who is making a lot of noise with that he wrote a book specifically on the SG Vivek did. And by the way Vivek is a very interesting guy very thirty seven thirty eight years old working his ass off family guy billionaire self made born here smart guy intelligent guy well spoken respectful with the opponent when he's given his presentation.

2:06:55Don Lemon is pushing him on I says look done respectfully I just disagree here's what we are. And he went from last place to getting past Tim Scott Nikki Haley Mike Pence he's passing all these guys that there's only one person now he's got to pass up he's about to pass in Ohio he's ahead of the Santos by the way. And very soon he's going to pass up the Santos so it's going to be him and Trump. So if Trump's not going to be doing the debate and this those guys going to be I imagine if Trump runs and Vivek is a VP Trump may go Tim Scott Trump may be a big goal of you know many different angles to me goal Trump and Vivek would be very interesting.

2:07:29Oh my god it would be very hard to be so to answer your question Vivek's gone after the ESG folks. He knows the game so meaning what let me ask you this what do you think the goal of ESG is what why do you think they're establishing these sort of parameters like why why is ESG a thing and what's the benefit of it for them. So short said something very interesting short says look these guys are driven by money they're not going to do anything to destroy an economy to lose their own money because they want that. I said okay so very good Andrew Schultz I said that's a very good point. You know what you're saying fine.

2:08:09So you know you know how sometimes Michael Jackson you see the interview with him with kids. Oh they're just sleeping in the bed that's all it is and we're just having a great time and we're storytelling and like. Ever I get it is a little weird you got a seven eight year old ten year old kid sleeping in your bed and you know all this stuff and just it's a little bit fishy what you're talking about it's not normal. Well if you're in Hollywood and you've slept with as many people at these people sleep and it eventually have to have other options because what else did you have to try new things how many three some seven how many this how many that.

2:08:41So you start trying all these other things and sometimes these guys go to such and such place. Doesn't matter it's kind of weird and fishy right on what you want to do great. Okay so why these guys doing what they're doing you have all the money in the world you live in a hundred million dollar house not you Larry Fink and some of these guys you. I'm not on if he lives in a hundred million dollars but you got the money to live in a hundred million what else you need. Right you got nice cars Jamie Dams got a nine hundred million dollar art collection according to an article it's a nice art collection right.

2:09:12You go to all the nice restaurants you meet prime ministers you meet presidents and maybe there comes a time when you're looking at couple these guys their presidents and prime ministers and you tell yourself. I'd be a better president than you bro. How the hell am I not reading the country or they tell themselves. You think you're president you're not a president you work for me. What else is the motive. But ESG how does that factor but that the point is control is what I'm saying so the motive becomes control more than money after you have all the money in the world what's next. It's got to be control or a true vision.

2:09:51So a sorrows when you're talking ESG that story is a complete different story you ever heard sorrows is interview with 60 minutes where he says I see my. So I see myself as a god have you ever seen this interview or what he says no really see them. Oh my god Jamie do you mind pulling up the quote I think it's if you type in L .A. Times sorrows God if you type in L .A. Times sorrows God when you hear what he says it's like the second to the last paragraph all the way to the bottom. The guy asked a question you know about who he views himself as I want to I want to quote it properly exactly what he says in the video of him saying yeah 60 minutes of videos also if you go all the way to the bottom.

2:10:39So I'm going to go a little bit higher go a little bit higher on the quote what means the next time I find someone there's someone there's someone there's someone there's no go a little higher I think it's a little higher.

2:10:52I keep going higher sort of a dimension. I keep going higher keep going higher keep going higher. Probable values little higher. There's a part what he says keep going what year is this article by the way this and it's an old article supposed to be 2004 that's the one this is the one. I've okay right there it seems that sorrows believes he was anointed anointed by God I fancied myself as some kind of a God if truth be known I carried some rather potent maceanic fantasies with me from childhood which I felt I had to control otherwise they might get me in trouble. And then on the next line when asked by Britons independent newspaper to elaborate on the passage sorrows it is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of a God the creator of everything but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.

2:11:46Whoa. Since I began to live it out those unfamiliar with sorrows would probably dismiss the statement out of hand but for those who followed his career and socio political endeavors it cannot be taken quite so lightly. Sorrows has proved that with the vast resources of money at his command he has the ability to make the once unthinkable acceptable his work as a self -professed amoral financial speculators left millions in poverty when their national currencies were devalued and he pumped so much cash into shaping the former Soviet republics to his liking that he has bragged that the former Soviet empire is now the sorrows empire that's right ask anybody who's from hungry bring up the name sorrows see what they say bottom this guy's manipulated the market currencies.

2:12:32He's like a bad guy in a movie so he's like a bad guy in a movie but he's been interviewed on 60 minutes so if you can find the interview he's been interviewed on 60 minutes and he says so you're 14 years old you're being used by Nazis to go find Jews okay and that must have had a big impact in your life because you're essentially helping people be found that they're going to kill you know this. Did that impact you at all his answer no not really and he's got a smile on his face and the guy comes back this is a famous interviewer from 60 minutes you you'll recognize the face on who it is and he says no not really says at that time you know when you're thinking about life you're not thinking about things like this etc etc.

2:13:2314 years I think at 14 you are thinking I'm having real conversations with my nine year old son I was at a refugee camp at 10 to 12 Joe in Germany with checks Yugoslavians Pakistanis Afghanistan people. And I remember the conversations I remember why they left this is the one let me see that it's a lot it's 20 minutes for the long someone to know if you can find if you go on Twitter best way to do it. I found it on Twitter and it was taken down for copyright grounds I mean that totally makes sense yeah that totally makes sure I rose no this is not the one it's not Charlie Rose it's another person Jamie I'll I'll find it here right now.

2:14:01So Rose asked not see here let me see if I can find this interview. It says it's talking about him but this is the link I clicked and it was different experience anyways there is a clip you if you keep looking for there is a shorter version of it where he's being asked so he's just kind of like down playing it I've seen that yeah just kind of down planning I'm like I want to really know this guy's stories I watch his documentary and the documentary they made about him is a pro soros documentary like okay that's the one that is the one so this links that it was scrubbed from the internet so if you can find it I don't know if you can listen to him on the mic while we're doing a podcast to find it it's you can't do that okay so it's going to be I'm not going to love a very good yeah dude if you if you've seen it you've seen it he's being asked and he just kind of has a small on his face now here's a guy that at 14 years old Russian soldiers raped his mom twice so he's gone through some traumatic experiences you know and yeah the clip is insane if you can find the clip there's there's a 30 second clip on Twitter that that's out there so this guy starts open society foundation do you know how much money is given to open society foundation in the last 30 years how much 32 billion dollars bro 32 billion dollars is given to open society foundation that's not a small money he's worth seven billion right now which is passing on to his son Alex I believe that's his name 38 year old guy which is just like his father okay so what is the problem with a soros versus a think they're both true believers like soros is not doing is because he wants to be you know he already fancies himself as a god this god like tendency when it happens to some people where your entire life you know I'm winning I'm this I'm dead and you know you know you sometimes talk to some people you're like dude you really believe you're the shit you're not you really believe you're better than everybody else like there's certain people that actually really believe that you know how there's an insecurity of a typical good fighter or good athlete where you know is that it this is it you got it that's the one that's the one you're in a human there you go you're perfect this is it societies have deficiencies as well and your thoughts on the good thing I'm Gary and you who escaped the Holocaust by posing as a Christian right and you watched lots of people get shipped off to the dead camp sorry I was 14 years old and I would say that that's when my character was made in what way that one should think ahead one should understand and anticipate events and one one is threatened if was a tremendous threat of evil I mean this is a very personal experience of evil my understanding is is that you went out with this protector of yours this is a swore that you were is adopted God's yes yes when out in fact and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews that's like this I mean that's that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many many years was it difficult not not at all not at all maybe as a child you don't you don't see the connection but it was it created no no problem at all no feeling of guilt no for example that I'm Jewish and here I am watching these people go I could just as easily be there I shouldn't be there not a bad well you of course I could I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom it the thing is being taken away but there was no sense that I shouldn't be there because that was well actually funny way it's just like in markets that if I weren't there of course I wasn't doing it but somebody else would would be taking it away anyhow you know it was the whether I was there or not I was only a spectator the property was being taken away so I had no role in taking away that property so I had no sense of guilt that makes sense though if you're 14 and this thing was happening and you were just a 14 year old boy who is just going along with people that were doing this I would it would make sense that you wouldn't have a feeling of guilt that you were responsible for that everybody's going to respond to life changing events like that under the from way yeah okay um to be disensitized the way you have from a situation like that the way he disguises yes I mean you're it's a little spooky to answer the way you do people down you like you know it's funny it's kind of like the market no no people died right is what they went through so his thought is it's going to happen either way whether I'm involved exactly which by the way that that doesn't necessarily mean it's it's true or it's not but this this becomes the problem this becomes a problem so people ask the question so what do you think is wrong with America what do you think is wrong with the world what do you think is wrong that all these conversations you have in and it's like you're at the cigar lunch at the combo okay I think we have a hero making machine problem I think we have a very big hero making machine problem and what I mean by a hero making machine problem is this kids are confused who's a hero today when you and I were 14 years old who was a hero Joe think about it when you were 14 when you were 18 when you were 25 who was a hero if we go back to the back like when I was 14 oh man I was what years a 30 years ago 1992 1993 who was a hero Michael you know Jordan sports billionaires life of the rich and famous you know guys like that just a very innocent that's a hero you know it's got one day when I grow up I want to be blah blah blah blah blah blah right today the hero is the victim today is the hero the person that's going through a mutilation and the parents support their seven year old going through it what a hero doing wait is you know what a hero you know and the mother of the child is saying why don't you just wait till this kid is 18 years old to do it now we're leaving the state of Florida because Florida's not allow us to do what our kid wants to do that's a hero today Joe a hero today's the person that dresses up as a syringe goes as a show late night show and is getting people to take the vaccine that's a hero today that's that's what they've painted as a hero today and the longer these guys control who the hero is kids are going to be confused we're not recognizing the parent that is doing what he's doing with his kids and doing a hard job of raising his kids it's not easy being married marriage is very hard you and I are both married it's not easy being married it's a very hard job to be married and you have kids and you have self interest and you have your own selfish desires and you want to be a good dad and you want to be a good husband and you want to do any that's not easy stuff to do but guess what who are we turning into hero not not the father that's taken his responsibilities and doing this part that's a boring story let's not turn that person into hero let's not turn a person to hero that's fighting the establishment that's not the hero that's the villain that's the villain chose the villain you're not a villain you're a hero so unless if we get back to selling the dream like when I watch Ron the Santas I ask myself sell the dream sell me America sell me why this is the greatest country in the world we're no longer selling the dream we're not selling the bigness it's nightmare it's confusion it's gaslighting it's dividing and selling people into heroes that are not necessarily heroes George sorrows to see what he's done with his life and what he's doing with his money right now where he's investing it this guy wants to change the way a lot of things are being done he wants to go from America you know as long as I have my money and I got influence around the world versus seeing what America's doing that's not a good thing for me you know if you study Hitler and I don't know if you've read mine Comfort Nad or if you've gone through it or not the translation in you know English you see how this guy used to go to local debates just to watch you go to local stuff that was going on a small little things local that they're voting for you know it's got was like a big architecture guy like buildings he likes stuff like that and you kind of like okay so what was this guy's motive what was he doing you know what was he getting rid of he realized later on you know people can't believe in God that's a big enemy Joe yeah and I'm not debating Christianity or religion specifically like a God we can't recognize people that believe in God that's risky you know we can't we can't really be doing that because if people believe in God they believe futures bright you know people who have faith are typically like I have faith what is a main basis of faith I think everything's gonna work out no I don't want you to think that I want you to think it's the end of the world climate change is coming I don't want you to think everything's gonna work out I want you to think the future is scary and you need us and we're here to save you that's kind of how they're pitching their save your mindset God like fancied myself as a sort of a God and now that it's become reality and I'm experiencing it so these are not people that are sitting there saying well that guy keeps talking about God a little bit too much man that's not good we don't need people to believe in God we need people to believe in government that's a scary thought so for me I think you know when we have the debate with religion now it's a it's a great debate to have you know with Muslims or you know seven day or Scientology that was a year 2003 I was a atheist were 24 25 years of my life and I'm going out there trying to find out what's really going on I'd go read dionetics I'd go read all this stuff on you know LDS and you know Gordon B.

2:24:51Hinckley or Cleans You know all these guys you're reading on okay okay I see this here I see this here There's a place for religion debate Let's do that no problem But for me I want as many people around me to try to exercise whatever faith they're going Whether you're a Christian Catholic you know your LDS your this your dad I'm a non -denominational Christian today right We need more people to have faith To see that future looks bright doesn't mean we don't need to be skeptical doesn't mean we don't need to be you know Only the paranoid survive that's a quality in business you need but I think there's a bit of a confusion right now who we're turning into heroes And the more we do that we don't know who we want to be when we grow up Who do you want to when you grow up shit?

2:25:41I don't know People who bitch a lot wine a lot cry lot Do these tiktok videos of eating doing all this stuff I they're getting all they're getting famous. That's what I'm going to be those are clowns That's not a hero But that's what we're turning into heroes So how do you think ESG factors into that? ESG factors in it that they get to dictate you have to You know do the LGBTQ issue? Okay, so in for for example Hollywood. What's Hollywood going through right now? Oscars came out. I don't know if you saw the structure on Oscars Have you seen what it is to be nominated for an Oscar today? Yeah, that you have to have a portion of your actors be either disabled black part of the LGBTQ the workers behind closed doors that are all this stuff that they have to be Part of the the the sect to get funding or to be nominated and all that stuff Who gives a shit that I have to do that?

2:26:32But people do to get a high score if you get a high score You get more money you get rated better your how do they get more money? Okay, so if if I'm a If I'm a state street or Vanguard or XYZ company, okay The more you're growing you're gonna need to raise capital you're gonna need people to invest into your company Whether you go in public or it's private or you're raising debt There's only a few companies that are behemoths to go and get money from those guys If you want money from those guys you have to follow their guidelines If you don't have a high ESG score the I score They're simply not interested in your company.

2:27:16Why do you think they're implementing this? Why do I think they're implementing this? Uh In regards to in regards to what why do you think they're doing you know the Induct donation the grue and the way they just laying it out with ESG scores. Why do you think they're doing control? I control what you want to do. I can try dictate the terms You know, I dictate the terms on what you need to do like even when they talk about environmental most of these companies Are not doing anything to improve the environment They use it as a we're doing this because climate change is a real crisis And we're being noble because we're worried about the future But then behind closed doors that's not what's showing up You know, we're just fighting after a score when when we were selling our insurance company I'll never forget this We're meeting with a bunch of buyers Now the company we built insurance the average agent was a 56 -year -old white male That was the life insurance industry like think about a life insurance agent What does that person look like they don't look like this Right?

2:28:15Okay, so an America was 56 -year -old white male Well, I said I'm going to go a complete different angle when we sold the insurance company our average agent was a 34 -year -old Hispanic female So I'm going and talking to buyers One of the buyers we talked to they're like hey, we're having a hard time recruiting African Americans and Hispanics To want to come work for companies like ours We need it because we need to increase our DEI score What's your DEI score and we sure are DEI score these are your numbers You see them talking to each other when we step out Well, you know, I think our board would like to learn a little bit more because this would be a great partnership for us Because this can help us with our DEI score you shouldn't buy us because We're diverse you should buy us because we're good investment So the decision -making process is being diluted simply based on pleasing the people at the top that are given these guys a score Does that make sense?

2:29:09Yeah, yeah So Versus go produce a better product be more competitive let the guys compete in the free marketplace and let's see who wins And how long ago did this get implemented? This is not a this is not something that's been around for a long time Yes, she's a recent thing That they started they originally started with something called a PRI Which I want to say if you can type in ESG PRI I think it's 2006 I want to say When they started off with this and then gradually There is the HRC organization that was now given e you know C I scores and then they started giving D I scores But it started off with a 2006 PRI some of the stuff and if you go a little bit further back they started long time ago by another person who Wanted to kind of indoctrinate businesses control businesses.

2:30:00They didn't like businesses that were having as much powers They were having but it's recently that's turned into what it is today Where people are actually concerned about their scores And so you think this was a strategic Decision to try to gain more control of Corporations and to do through do so through the guys of social justice and environmental protection Yes, so think about You know equal facts trans union and You know what's the last one I'm forgetting one of them equal facts trans union who's the third one that does your credit score Equifax trans union. There's one other one that does it right when you want to buy a house if you got a credit score of 600 What are you gonna do?

2:30:48You're not gonna get that house. You're not gonna get the best rate you want right? Shopee I got to increase my fight the score once you come back a year from that two years from now Let's get a pre -approval letter letter based on your credit is improved and all this okay That's that's okay because we're getting we're getting Responsible people to buy a house no problem. I'll make my car payment I'll do all this other stuff, but imagine if now they say Joe you don't have enough gay friends You don't have enough gay employees You don't have enough black employees You know you don't have enough this you don't have enough that Then you're sitner saying guy.

2:31:24I'm just running the company. I'm hiring whoever's qualified. I want my job It could be anybody That's qualified You're no longer making decisions based on what's best for your company You're making decisions because you want to get that loan you want to raise that capital you want to raise that money And the amount of control I can I can tell you a bunch of different stats on what Finks and wall street and what vanguard what these guys are doing They have a lot of power in America today So you think this is a pre -meditated strategy more of a gain control 100 percent I'm convinced in in that side Absolutely and they got a lot and by the way, it's not one industry every industry like imagine in every industry There's a power player right media was rubored Murdoch if you watch rubored Murdoch's what he owns They on market watch dot com most people don't know that that's under news corp You know fox news Rubored Murdoch owns Wall Street Journal most people don't know that That's owned by news corp same company that owns Fox news So okay, guess what rubored is a power player in the media space good for you Ted Turner is a power player in the media space until he sold the CNN time Warner all that stuff up until that Ted Warner was Turner was the guy right he ran for president one time he was the guy right So he bought the hawks he bought the falcons.

2:32:46I think he owned You know hawks that one by he owned all these things, you know He bought channels he bought this he bought that he was the guy great No problem But imagine now there's power players That control 50 industries That's a real power player It's not a musk who owns Tesla is worth $200 billion and You know is Doing his businesses and I'm gonna make Twitter into the next wechat and it's gonna be worth the trillion dollars. That's great These guys collectively they're sitting on 70 trillion dollars of power That's why you long tweeted on set satanic is what the S stands for in ESG So it's no longer power player by industry It's power player of all industries 88 % of S &P 500 company one of those three companies the largest shareholder That's pretty fucking crazy.

2:33:41That's crazy. Yeah, so it's it's like a form of monopoly That's not illegal It's a form of monopoly. That's not illegal Wow Somebody's got to break that apart and it's gonna be The person to do that's got to be a right guy to do that Is that possible? I think the more you talk like what did you do Joe? The more you talk about a topic The more everybody says that can't be true and then what do we do? Oh shit, I've remecked an India pop up so what? Hi, Drugs what what are you talking about? So why is this such a big deal? Wait and you go four hours one night till one o 'clock in the morning kids are asleep and we've all gone through the recovery We all did that yeah, what is going on here, right?

2:34:32Okay, so the more we talk about this The more people are gonna go do this and they're gonna say oh shit. This is actually happening And then the more people talk about it Then we the people have been fooled to not realize we have the power Guys like you have validated in the last three years that we do have the power And if we do our research and question things the right way respectful way People have to respond eventually they're cornered. This is not something a lot of people have talked about This is not something a lot of people are looking at It's just fascinating that it's connected to this social Governing the like this social Movement the social justice movement is connected to just pure evil capitalism That's that's it's wild.

2:35:23Oh, totally. It's a real good con game Because the people that are involved on the social justice aspect of it think they're doing the right thing It sold and packaged so well Joe It's packaged so well Half the battle is how you package your message Right? Yeah, if you think about Trump's packaging with his message great message. He be tillery Right the santa's is packaging of his message It's not packaged well, right? Yeah, I think this is a It's one of the things we have to be concerned about we got to recognize who the heroes are We got to address the drug issue that we're having with the borders We got to kind of see what's going on with these monopolies that no one's looking at like no one's looking at this stuff And you know, what is in a monopoly?

2:36:14Are we really enforcing our monopoly law? Yeah, I don't know if we are There's a reason why we have the monopoly law so the big guy cannot bully the other guy, right? You know when they pitch stuff like we need to raise the minimum wage The bigger companies love it when you do that Trust me the big companies love it when they raise minimum Amazon loves it Walmart loves it when you raise minimum wage keep saying raise minimum wage They don't have a prime going from 13 bucks to 15 bucks to 20 bucks They could care less if you keep doing that Because they're gonna raise their margins by 20 % or whatever it is and make the money back on the back end They're not dumb.

2:36:51You're still gonna buy it. We're still gonna buy it We don't have a choice But it's gonna put that guy across the street out of business So the more small businesses go out of business and fewer small businesses we have the more these big companies are control Like you know this whole thing with banks going out of business and chase bought a couple of them and these guys bought a couple of them This is helping the bigger guys Jamie Diamond sitting there saying oh, you know what? Let's keep raising and we have to do the responsible thing Because the bigger guys get to buy the small community banks or the regional banks This favors them.

2:37:24So this concept about you know the bigger guys don't want to raise the minimum wage It's the small business owner that doesn't want to raise the minimum wage. That's the guy in Kansas who cannot afford it So you need to leave that guy alone I need to control New York like making 15 bucks in New York, dude. You don't have a life So I understand New York's minimum wage has got to be different But New York's minimum wage has got nothing to do with Kansas. It's got nothing to do with Oklahoma It's got nothing to do with North Dakota right? It's got nothing to do with some of these places that can't afford to have a number like that happen But the wall marks the Amazon's the bigger guys are like oh, yeah, yeah Well, you know what Bernie Sanders you make a lot of sense We're gonna do the noble thing and moving forward Amazon.

2:38:03We're gonna put our minimum wage at 15 bucks That guy's working at Joey's liquor store. Joey's market across the street that's been there for 72 years Past on a three -generation he goes to Joey and says hey listen bro I know you're Joey the third. I got to go work at Amazon. They're offering 15 bucks an hour and I'm only 18 years old I'm only 19 years old because you're only off from me 1220 Now that guy's gonna soak out good of 15 bucks as well Totally get it but that guy gives a richer benefit now. He has a razor prices now families go to Amazon So Capitalism if we eliminate a lot of these small business owners, man It's a very problematic issue they get to raise their prices whatever they want to raise it to well We saw a lot of that during code right.

2:38:43I mean that's what benefited people during the lockdowns Who benefited the large businesses? Large businesses that were labeled as essential well small small businesses are forced to stay shut Which was wild how many restaurants shut down? It was in Los Angeles at one point time was more than 70 percent Think about most restaurants have a story You know you go to a restaurant, you know, you're like so how'd you guys start this place? Right. How many these guys do you oh? We have three of them. How did it get started? Guy name, you know, Louis started at 48 years ago and his son did this and now is you know grandson is running it That's freaking awesome.

2:39:19Stereakin dream bro. It's awesome. Yeah son is I'm making 200 grand a year and it's doing okay for himself and Restaurant is his boom 48 years gone The average person is like yeah, it's just a restaurant. You shut's not a big deal That family's legacy that dad busted his ass in the 60s or the 70s to pass this down to his son and his grandson That guy's dream is done. You know how we go to funerals and you're sitting there saying Oh, man that guy's crying pretty bad, you know, you lost his mom and I don't want to go through this one day So look at that guy he lost his wife or he didn't you cry right?

2:39:53It is just as emotional to me when a small business that's ran by a regular family They've kept it in the made their own money that in rely on the government They didn't ask for handouts the busted their asses restaurant is a tough business You lost your business. That's a funeral That's a lot of funerals that we had all those stories all the Going to bed your lane next to your wife And you're saying babe, you know what I'm watching about Gary what babe I think he's gonna run the restaurant one day And wife says Babe, I feel it as well. I'm so happy. It's gonna be so great That's Gary that's the father and the mother's dream they've put so much time into it In our community there's a family they bought three houses right and a mom and that started this medical company And they grew they got 7 ,000 employees today And now both sons are living next to them each son has four kids And you go into their house tradition.

2:40:51Here's what we do Tuesdays Mondays that You know what a great story I look at the mom and dad and you see mom and dad the founders are always a little bit rougher Because they're the ones that pay the price you can always feel you know, there's a certain dynamic to it So yeah, I don't know I think um You know to me a trump candidate I really wanted the census to play ball. I really was when I read his book I'm like okay, this guy's gonna come out and now so now when he came out with his book he didn't I think they missed the mark we moved to florida because of the census is what we moved to florida for you know We were living in LA and I was gonna move the media company to potentially new port beach because I like new port beach We were looking at greenish to be right outside of New York so we can recruit talent We looked at Nashville we thought about staining Dallas and we thought about Tampa and then all of a sudden I'm like okay The way COVID is going babe will go on the Florida We went and rented a house Christmas and for a lot of them I said we're moving to florida Because of the census, but I think trump is a guy that I think he's the only guy that's showing him an RFK that are willing to go up against some of these guys But RFK's got to go through guy named Joe And the establishment democrats there's no way they're gonna give the platform to him Do you think they can stop it?

2:42:07Him? Yeah, absolutely Absolutely my idea would have been You know like I say if you can't run as a third party apparently he can't now if they don't do it He can't go back and run as a third party. I think you have to run as a third party from day one you know Do I think they can stop it? If Joe steps out RFK can get in Like if Joe steps out and Newsom comes in they have to debate Like imagine Newsom RFK debate dude that's sick Don't you want to see that? Yeah, I'd love to see that right But Joe has to step out for them to fight for it So that has to happen. I don't know if that's gonna be happening I think they have to be very careful about that too.

2:42:53It's like when does he step out? I just can't imagine they think they're gonna run him Joe yeah, I just can't imagine it I couldn't I couldn't believe they were running him in 2020 And now when you see how compromised he's been over the last three years I mean he's just falling down randomly and runoff sense. He said he cured cancer the other day Did you see that? Yeah, of course. He's out He's out. He's gone. Joe's not there anymore. You think mainstream's turned on him yet or not fully yet They're starting to right there's rumblings that they're starting to because I think they're concerned that he's liability now A significant liability and the more this corruption stuff comes out the more that narrative gets out there The more people are gonna recognize like this is not a hero Yeah Well, let's just don't know what they do, but they got to move quickly.

2:43:42Yeah If that's the plan then it's August of 2020. I know there's not much time left No, you know when Trump ran in 15 you know when he announced what it was on his birthday Whatever his birthday is I think he's born on June 12th or June 14th He announced on June 12th or June 4th. It's one of those two days is his birthday right when he announced Okay July August You guys kind of got to figure it out what you're gonna be doing because the longer you go and you say it ain't gonna be you know Joe yeah They're not they're not helping themselves because it's just helping rfk right so the longer Dems go let you say their play is to get rid of Joe Is new some gonna get enough playing time to create a momentum to be the guy?

2:44:31I don't know You know you know when I'm asking like I think he needs momentum to To bring it up. I think it's gonna take a minute It's fascinating It really is it's bizarre I think it's gonna take a minute so I want to give you the gifts. I got you brown. I want to give you the gifts that I got you here Um, so for me I got five of them. Let me see if all five of them are here. That's a lot Did he bring the other one as well One more that sounds sad. I think I don't know which I don't know which is out there There's a box Sam if you're watching the it's a small box. Yeah, if you can bring that one that'd be great first one Okay, so I'm betting myself.

2:45:21I think you're gonna Love one of them. I hope it goes in your comedy club. Okay. I Think The other ones you're gonna be like whatever because you could buy it yourself, but then the other two I Think one of them may make it on the wall. It's a competition because you got like a hundred pieces sitting around That's not on the wall. Okay, so we'll see what's gonna happen. First of all So you're a Jimmy Hendrix guy, right? I think you're a Jimmy Hendrix guy perfect I got this I we looked up to see what we can do with Jimmy Hendrix Jimmy Hendrix today a month long that a special Jimmy Hendrix pen That while you're sitting here writing stuff I know you're probably not a big guy that you care about having a fancy pen or not But we got you the special limited edition Montblanc pen with Jimmy Hendrix.

2:46:10I hope you like it. I'm sure okay, so that's one two I think when I think about personalities that kind of push the envelope a little bit Presidents in the past that were anti -establishment people that push the envelope one of the names you think about you think about a guy name Andrew Jackson okay so I this took me a minute to find this But this is a letter written by Andrew Jackson president Signed at the bottom wow With COA and he is known as the first ever anti -establishment president Minus the founding fathers. So I hope you like this this represents that aspect of you That's guy. So that's this part now next one You've gone down the rabbit hole with John of Kennedy assassination what happened there?

2:47:02What happened to him all this other stuff? I said let me see what we can find with this this took us a minute to find as well This piece Joe is the actual This is the actual Warren commission letter Okay Signed by Gerald Ford okay the letter to the right is the Warren commission Then you have the autograph of Jack Ruby Then you got the autograph of Lee Harvey Oswald and you got the autograph of John of Kennedy Wow, okay, so I hope you like this with the letter COA all of it. Okay And then the last one I'm convinced this is the one That I think you're gonna like a lot. Okay last one took us a minute to find Okay, I put it here if you don't mind So This one was work, bro.

2:48:02I hope you like it. Okay Who's one of your favorite comedians of all time? Richard prior who else many Bruce okay? So I called around And I spoke to Lenny Bruce's daughter kitty. Okay. I don't know who she is or not. So I spoke to her And I said guys I want to find something special for Joe that's tied with Lenny Bruce. So you open up a comedy shop um This is with The the what he called it when you're doing The is it a stand? Mike stand. Okay when he would go on the road He had a mic stand and a mic that he would use I think this is from 1959 This is the original mic wow Lenny Bruce used Okay I know where that's going That's going to close So now if you don't want to do with that where you want to put the stand we got the stand there as well No, come on man.

2:49:07This is perfect. I'll hold on You got the frame. Yeah, we need the frame. That's amazing So you know for me when I was you know, we were wanted to come down sooner That was the missing piece that's the one I wanted to get for you Wow And uh, I said let's wait till we get that and then we'll come and present it to him. That's incredible Yeah, thank you Wow, I know for a guy like you Joe it takes you know when people get me gifts. It's kind of hard to Get a gift for somebody that they're gonna have a reaction to because you can buy all the stuff yourself But the hard thing is finding it. Yeah, that's incredible.

2:49:44Yeah, so by the way, there's letters handwritten letters by him How he took notes to prepare with his jokes. We got all that stuff in the back as well Sam will give it to you later on. Yeah, thank you. That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing anytime brother So this is the most shit anybody's ever given really there you go Yeah, I got that for in by the way my book is coming out in December I mean you can buy the book right now my book comes out December 5th But they sent me the first copy of the book is titled choose your enemies wisely and It's not an easy thing to choose your enemies wisely most people choose the wrong enemies Portfolio send us the first copy of choose your enemies wisely and my first copy they gave to me I'm given to you brother.

2:50:28Thank you. Again, people can't buy till December 5th, but These are gifts from us to you You're a very important guy Your super likable guy when I'm talking to your guys and I said so how's it feel working here man? He says man Joe's a coolest guy to work for we love Joe everybody loves you, you know for what you've been able to do the last few years Um, I got a lot of respect for you. There's a level of admiration for you. There's true love for you. There's true protection for you I have a natural A tendency of protecting people that um, I think are needed to be protected You don't need any protection when it comes on to a street fight.

2:51:09I can't protect you in a street fight bro That's you you know how to fight and take care of yourself But I think there's got to be people that fight in different ways their weapon is a different weapon My weapon is words and my weapon is the way I process issues you got a guy here that um Is going to be fighting for you for a long time bro. Oh, thank you I feel the same way about you have a lot of respect and I appreciate you. Yeah, I think you're very important voice out there And I think you know what you do is very admirable and you don't have to do it This is not how you made your money This is just something that you decided to pursue Because you have interest in it and because you think it's important and I admire that a lot I appreciate that.

2:51:49Well, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's great. Do it again. We'll do it again All men comes out all good sounds good. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, we are sure bye