#2017 - Bryan Callen

56:45But it's MMA. Bro, Fabrice Overdum is in sick shape. Oh, it's crazy. Fabrice Overdum, something happened to him, like I don't know how long ago it was, but he just got super fucking dedicated to training. And all of a sudden, now he's got a six pack. You look shredded. Fabrice Overdum, people forget that he is in the argument for one of the greatest heavy weights of all time. He's in the argument as the number one guy because he tapped all the greats. He tapped. He tapped. He tapped. Fedor a million ain't go. He tapped. Minotauro. Bro, he tapped everybody. For Fabrice Overdum, in my opinion, you have to consider him in the list of all the greats.

57:25Knocked out Mark Hunt with a flying knee. For Fabrice Overdum is the fucking man. Travis Brown? Yeah. Listen, man, guys beat him and steep a knocked him out, but he's a warrior. He fought everybody and he beat the best guys in their prime. When he tapped Fedor, it was wild. Nobody could beat Fedor. Fedor was unstoppable. And when Fabrice Overdum locked him up in a triangle and you see Fedor tap you like, holy shit. He still forget. It was just like when busted Douglas beat Mike Tyson. I couldn't be done. Right. For Brecio, catch has been a triangle. For Brecio was so dangerous because his guard was just as lethal as his top game.

58:09A lot of times those big guys, with the exception of Frank Nier, who also had a super, super lethal guard as a heavyweight, most of those really big guys, they're always on top in the training room, right? They're 250, 260. They're just driving on top of you and they're getting mountain. They use that strength and that pressure for their game. But for Brecio, Verdum is smart. And so what he realizes, look, he's already a big giant dude. If he develops a lethal fucking guard, then it doesn't matter where he is. So he put his much emphasis into the guard as every other aspect of his game. So his guard was just fucking nasty against world class heavyweights in an MMA fight to lock up a triangle like that on Fedor, Emilio Enrico in his prime.

58:55Amazing. I know. It's so insane. Dude, for Brecio Verdum is the fucking man. When you watch his Jiu -Jitsu, like when he gets on top of guys, they're fucked, man. Well, I think it was just his, he was a craft, like, the craft, like he was a technician to be that big but also technical world champion in Jiu -Jitsu, world top of the food chain, like Jiu -Jitsu, but with an MMA warrior. A guy who could knock you out, just a competitor, just a, yeah. So, like, I don't know how that fight plays out. Junior Dos Santos obviously is an elite striker too. You know, long in the tooth, he's been in the game for a long time.

59:32He's had some real wars. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. He's in the state. I'm sure. Well, these guys, you know, I love the fact that there's other organizations that are given these guys a chance. And honestly, I'm a fan of the idea, at least the idea of Baronucle MMA. Because I think you've always said that. Yes. Because I think there's something very unrealistic about just opening up and punching people with your knuckles. You can break your hands. Yes. And it's also defense wise when you have, especially boxing gloves.

1:00:04Boxing gloves give you this very distorted area of protection that you do not have when it's just your hands. You've got to be, you've got to be, literally, like, like that. I mean, well, Mike Perry talked about it. Like he's made, he's the most successful MMA fighter to make the conversion to Baronucle boxing. And I think it's like, he's like uniquely suited for it. Because he's such a dog. No. Such a man. Luke Rock holds a monster. But that check hook doesn't, wasn't working on Mike. Just plow it ahead and just said, you're going to break your hand. I'm going to come and lead with this part of my head and I'm going to swing.

1:00:37Yeah. And it's hard to deal with that, man, when you're dealing with gloves. You can't, you know, you can't roll the same way. Also, like, Mike has got some real experience in those fights. He's been doing it for a while now. You know, he's, he's all in on Baronucle boxing. He knows strategies. He knows the punch differently. Like you got to think that was Luke Rock holds first Baronucle boxing fight. Like you don't really get to train hard Baronucle boxing. Yeah. Like you can't really spar Baronucle boxing. You'll cut your face out. It's a different thing. It's a different. So like, every time you're in there, I would imagine at least, every time you're in there, it's a unique experience that adds to your repertoire of understanding what this thing is, how this is different than Gloved MMA or boxing.

1:01:18So it's just different. And Mike excels in that. Like there, that is where his skill set and his toughness and his fucking grit just dominates. He dominates people. It's almost a mindset. It's a type of person. He's an animal. Dude's a legit 100 % no faking it all animal. He's not pretending to be an animal. That is who that guy is. And when he fights in the Baronucle boxing, he's like uniquely qualified to fuck people up in that sport. So let me ask you, you know, you know, fighting Bradley Martin on the podcast said he was going to beat, he could beat mighty mouse, but it has no mighty mouse.

1:01:54Mighty mouse said, I'm going on vacation. But when I get back, I'm down, they're not going to have MMA fight. They're going to have a jujitsu match. Bradley Martin has no chance against 125. Here's no chance. Is there a time limit? There is not a time limit. He's going to get his back taken. He's going to get choked out. So we're going to take time. Yeah, we're going to make him. Bradley is enormous. And Bradley is so fucking strong. He's an athlete too. He's an athlete. Yes. No, he's a fucking specimen. He's a specimen. Now, if this was in a street fight, the thing about Bradley is he can hit you with the earth.

1:02:35You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like he can literally pick you up and you're going to hit the earth with, what is he way? 270, 280. And he was away. He's 265, but like, yeah. If you, his hands, when you grab his hands, so his hands are huge. The amount of force that body can generate, if that guy picks you up and smashes you into the ground, you're a body will shatter. Your body will shatter. Because you're a human being. If he, if somehow another mighty mouse fucks up and that guy can pick him up and slam him into the ground, I don't know how much mighty mouse is going to be able to physically do to mitigate that.

1:03:13If that guy knows how to pick people up, if he has any wrestling at all, he's so big. And mighty mouse is, you know, he probably walks around at a buck 50 or a buck 45 and he cuts down to 125. He's so good. I know. But if they just no slamming, if they just do a jujitsu match, mighty mouse is going to get him. He's going to get tired. He's going to get him. He's going to get tired. He's not going to know the positions. He's going to get trapped. That's what jujitsu is. That's what grappling is on that level. It will be wild to see. We're doing so much smaller. I'm trying to do it. The studio. That's a match laid out.

1:03:48There's some old videos of Pedro Sauer. Pedro Sauer is a legendary MMA black belt. Had a match with a bodybuilder. And Pedro Sauer is not a big guy. I want to say he's maybe, I don't want to disrespect him, but I want to say he's in the like one, one 60 range, one 70 maybe at the most. And this guy is this big fucking bodybuilder. And they had like a no rules fight in the gym. And this guy just thought he was going to fuck him up. And Pedro Sauer just kept kicking his legs and kicking his legs and his dudes like swinging punch, then he cracks with a punch. Look at the size of this guy. But eventually he gets a dude down.

1:04:28Yeah, that guy doesn't have a fighter. The lookout skinny Pedro is. Yeah. He's not a big guy. But that's not surprising to me. I mean, if you do any boxer, I mean, a guy like that isn't, you never see a boxer or a fighter like who's that muscle man? But what all Pedro's trying to do is open him up for the take down. This way he wants. So the dude gets on top of him. Beautiful butterfly sleep sweep. Yeah. I mean, the way he did that, he executed it. So, and look at the guy rolled him over though. That's how strong this fucking dude is. But eventually he gets the guy. He's got his head still on.

1:04:56This is not as big a size and strength disparity as Mighty Mouse and Bradley Martin. Bradley Martin is so much bigger than Mighty Mouse. This guy was bigger and stronger for sure, but you know, Pedro Sauer is not a small guy. No. Got on the blood and shit already. Yeah. Yeah, he catches his army up. Oh, wrestling shoes on too. Wrestling shoes are giant. Imagine he talked the bodybuilder into no wrestling shoes. Isn't that amazing? Why would that guy fight barefoot? And then he got him in the belly down. That's a deep arm. Oh, those are horrible. Yeah. Just tap. I've seen so many people get their arms broken.

1:05:34Fuck that. It's, you know the one that freaks me out the most is the Camora. Because that's that spiral fracture of the upper arm. I know Moa is like, please, please, please, fucking tap, please tap, please, please, fucking tap. I've got that. That's how I am now with like when people get punched in the face too much. I don't like it. I don't want me while you're trying to get Brandon job to go fight MMA. There's a number on the check. There's a number on a check. There's a clue. So make you forget your childhood. He will. You won't remember anything below like 10th grade. You're rich. Then you're rich.

1:06:05No, no, no, no. We got to protect our boys brain. I talk, I text Brandon this morning. I go, how's training going? No. We're under defense. He goes, fuck you. So I hope he's too smart to do that. He's I don't care how much money they throw at you. Yeah. You don't want Derek Lewis. That giant flying knee that he landed to start out the fight. He was I was practicing that bullshit for five years. I was ready to quit on it. Is that what he said? Yes. He took his fucking pants off in the Arctic. I ran around. He did the X across his deck. He said that to him. Remember, he said to his wife, I'm coming home.

1:06:38I'm going deep tonight. Yeah. He's an animal. He's got a great sense of humor. He's a man. His fucking Instagram is the most funny Instagram. He took it down. No. Yeah. When? I don't know. It's not up anymore, right? The Beast you're F .C. Check. I hope they put it back. It's a shock. Come on. Maybe it's back up. I don't know. So he'll like have people just get hit by trucks and sheds. He's okay. Yeah. They said you can't. He got a strike or something for that shit. Well, he's wild. He put up everything. Yeah. Gun shots, animal attacks. It's like the Derek Lewis Instagram was one of my first places I go to in the morning.

1:07:11Different dudes. While I'm taking a shit, I'm like, what is Derek fine? It's almost like you have to be to be a fighter. Oh, it's up athletes and fighters. It's still up. Okay. Athletes and fighters like he's. Oh, watch this guy. Yeah, that is not good. That guy's paralyzed. That's those fucking dudes, man. Nobody beats their body up more than pro wrestlers. Yeah. You think Emma may fighters beat their body up every pro wrestler that I come that I talked to that's been in here. Rick Flair. Yeah, Kurt Engel. Yeah. Gold medalist in the Olympics said I got more injuries by far doing pro wrestling though I did wrestling.

1:07:43For sure. Broke his neck. Broke his neck. I think he had a broken neck when he was in the Olympics, bro. Oh, really? Yeah, I think that's what the legend of Kurt Engel did. Like won the Olympics with a broken neck. God. Gold medalist. I don't think there's anything harder. There's no. No, no harder men. No. Yeah, look at this. The Olympic trials he suffered a severe neck injury fracturing two of his cervical vertebrae, herniating two discs and pulling four muscles. Nonetheless, angle one the trials and then spent the subsequent five months resting in rehabilitation. You kid me. Dude. Think about that.

1:08:1696 Olympic trials suffers a fucking severe neck injury. Look at his neck. And then went on to win the Olympics. Yeah. I mean his neck is fucking insane. Imagine something can break that neck. Yeah. Look at the size neck that's a waist. Yeah. His neck is a waist. It's so big. You know, the more you work out though, how are your injuries? How do you feel? Like, what is... I always have something wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Because nothing you can do about that. But the way you work out now, like I work out, I still work out with Lou Perotta, the greatest, one of my favorite people on the planet, 66 year old, a guy who's a strong man, don't work in his whole life.

1:08:52We work out maybe 20, 25 minutes. It's a motherfucker. It's a motherfucker. But the way he confuses my nervous system and stuff like that, I always feel good and energized. I mean, some days we'll be strength, other days we'll be like what he calls hygiene. But hygiene? Yeah, like we'll do. It'll always be something like, it'll always be something like a full body movement, right? So whether it's weighted lunges or pull -ups, I'll deadlift and stuff like that. But a lot of times it's not heavy weight. It's not a heavy day. It's just me going low, stretching it out, pulling it up. And I always feel more flexible and strong.

1:09:31I never feel injured. I can do anything. So I was in Jordan and this is a dumbest fucking thing I've ever done. But I was like, I'm done with this. I'm done with being on a fucking tour. And there was this Bedouin guy with an Arabian horse. I was in Petra. And I don't know what kind of name he man. I just was like, how much for you just to take me on that horse? I want to get on the horse and I want to just ride. Now I haven't ridden in 20 fucking years. And I almost died because I had no business. You know, when you're in the movies where you get on the horse and my sister's like, what are you doing?

1:10:06And I'm trying to turn it and the horse is doing this. And man, it just takes off. It was that. It was like that comedic. So you were controlling the horse? No. The horse was riding me. Okay, but it was just you in the horse. Not the guy. No, the guy's behind me and we're galloping and stuff like that. And I had no, I just didn't have the balance. I hadn't ridden it too long. I just didn't have the balance. I'm on a fucking horse. I don't know. And your estrogens are. And my estrogens, no dude, I'd stopped doing it. You're weeping. No bro, stop doing my propensity. We saw the horse. I was dead behind the eyes.

1:10:37And I was so, I was sore for a week after that because I was trying to have to die because we rode for about an hour. But the point I'm making is that I can do things like that and I never, I'm okay without injuring myself. I can kind of do whatever it is, whether it's sand volleyball, whether it's fucking tennis, whether it's box. I got it and I was in Philly and I got in, I was with J. Rock Williams and I, I, Julian J. Rock Williams and I went to this awesome gym and I did, I boxed for a while. That was really fun. My boy, Coach Anthony was holding mitts. You know, you can really push yourself and I'm okay.

1:11:10I'm okay. Like I think if you train a certain way, you're not going to be injured. And as you get older, I just, I don't want my body to be in the way. Yeah, weight lifting is very important as you get older. Yes. It's very important to keep your muscle mass, keep your strength. Yes. It's like there's a direct correlation between longevity and muscle mass and there's also from preventing injuries, from preventing injury standpoint, just being more resilient if you fall things along those lines, you really want to be strong. It's not even just for a vanity thing. It's just you want to be strong because it's more valuable than being weak.

1:11:43There's no value in being weak. But do you lift heavy weights all the time? The heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds. Okay, there you go. That's the same thing. That's what I do. These kettlebell routines where they're really brutal and I do them with long breaks in between them. I do that Pavel Totsulin method. So what I do is it depends on the day, like some days I'll do a body weight routine, which is much more cardiovascular intense. But when I do the kettlebell routine, I warm up with 35s and then I do a couple of sets with 50s. Or just basically doing like 10 reps, getting things going, and then I switch to 70s.

1:12:21And when I do 70s is when I'm doing my heavy shit. That's what I'm doing like gorilla cleans where you're like switching arms. That's why I'm doing clean, pressed and squats. That's where I'm doing windmills. That's what I'm doing. And 70 pounds is not that heavy for you. No, it's manageable. It's totally manageable. But that's as high as you go. That's important. But if I'm having two, it's 140 pounds. That's a lot of weight. Right? But it's the most important thing is that everything's working. My core is tight. My back is working, my legs are working. And I'm conditioning my body to be able to manipulate awkward weights and do it like with windmills and stuff like that.

1:12:59So that's what I tried to do. That's like my overall strengthening routine. I just want to keep my body where it works really good. And then I max that in on the body weight days. It's pushups, body weight squats, chin ups, dips, pull ups. And so then I do that. That's what he does with me. That's exactly his philosophy. He's like, I'm not having you lift weight heavy weights. I'll flip a tire and stuff. But he's like, you are at an age where you're tenons and you're joints, you are going to get injured. If you try to do that cross -pit stuff where you're lifting heavy weight, all the max, it's going to pop.

1:13:35It just is. You're going to be tired that day. Something's going to be off. You're not going to be focused enough. Boom. And I don't do anything to failure. And that's also what I learned from Pavel Tutsalin. He's like, if you can do like ten reps to failure, do five. Really? Yeah. And then wait a long time. And then do another five. Why? Because you're getting the same amount of work in. But you're not breaking down your tissue in the same way. And he thinks it'll help you recover quicker. And it'll condition your body to be able to do this more often. Yeah. Lou calls it stimulate, don't annihilate.

1:14:07Right? So he always, you know, you're talking about a guy. What I love about working out with a guy like this guy is he's been at it for he's 66. He's trained everybody, you know, and he's done it all. He was a bodybuilder, a power lifter. And he just has seen people come and go. He's seen all the injuries like Doreen Yates. Yes. Guys like that, they just know. They just know a lot. They've seen what an over a bunch of steroids do. They've seen what this does. They've seen what that does. So it's all about, you know, it's body maintenance. It's body maintenance. It stimulates. It stimulates. It stimulates.

1:14:41Yeah. We figured out a lot of stuff. So far on this podcast guys. Yeah, you just got to be careful not to hurt yourself. And whenever I see guys doing like heavy benching and stuff, I like to buddy. Well, two jits too, right? That's a good way to do it. Yeah, but you can do jits with good partners. Yeah. And you know, you guys can bowl. For real? You go like level seven or level eight. You know, you don't, you know, fucking spasming out. You're still wrong. Yeah. You are. I haven't in a while, but I'm doing it again. I was just waiting for my knee to get better. Have you ever rolled with Mr. Ryan?

1:15:11No, I have not. That seems like it would be not much fun. Yeah. He's much bigger than I ever thought. Yeah, I was wrong with Gabe Tuttle, who's the head instructor at 10th Planet. We did it for a while. I fucked my knee up and I realized like I keep fucking it up. Because so I stopped kicking. I haven't kicked a bag in forever. And I got a bunch of stem cell injections and I did all those knees over toes things. Yeah. And I was just concerned with this is, this seems like it's continuing to deteriorate. And I think like if I continue with the same activities, it's going to continue to deteriorate to a point where I can't fix it.

1:15:45You know, and I'm like, okay, I know how this goes. I've seen other people do it. I'm going to do a very hard thing, which is to hit the brakes on something I fucking love to do. Yeah. I love martial arts training. It's the most fun. But I realize like I really can't do that right now. I could still punch the bag, but I'm like for a long time. So like for like a fucking year, I barely kicked the bag. Like I would every now and then walk up to and tap it a little bit. But now it finally doesn't hurt anymore. And after all the stem cell treatments and all those strengthening conditioning routines that I put it through, now it just occasionally gets sore, but it's nothing like it would have used to.

1:16:20What's the issue? Oh, I have two reconstructed knees and the left one I had some meniscus removed and recently like about two years ago, I suffered an MCL tear. And I didn't know it was an MCL tear. I thought it was just, you know, just tweaked or whatever. And then finally I got it looked at. And so I got a bunch of stem cells on that and that's when I stopped kicking. And I went and just did like very regularly did the knee over toe stuff, the pulling the sleds backwards, the step down. It's funny about you talking this way. It's like, as you get older, you get more delicate. You calcify and you got to warm up better and you just get, you know, I hurt my knee.

1:17:00How? I know exactly how. You were kicking. No. No, I thought you were trying to do that. No, that was not my other knee. With Joe Schilling? Yeah, that's my other knee's fine now. Yeah, I tore my meniscus. I'm watching you do that. Go on. Yeah, fucking, if I had been there, I've been like, it's like, it's like, I'm trying to race fucking, shepel in a race without warming up. I go, you're going to, you're going to blow your hands, both of them. Yeah, I had jeans on and I was 53 with no warm up. And Joe Schilling challenged me to a kicking contest. I'm like, okay, I saw it. Yeah, kicking hard. Let's go.

1:17:34Yeah, so I did tweak my knee in that. But that was fairly minor. That was just annoying. But I got a bunch of stem cells and fixed that too. Right. That doesn't bother me at all. My right knee doesn't bother me at all anymore. But my left knee, there is a piece of meniscus missing. So this is what happened. I was walking on stage at Stubbs. I was doing these shows with shepel. And this is during the pandemic. It's a we're backstage and everyone's barbecued. And I'm walking in the stairs at Stubbs with these concrete stairs and they kind of curve. And I'm going to turn my recorder on on my phone and I stubbed my toe on one of the steps and twist my knee sideways.

1:18:10Bad. Like in fucking pain. Before the show. They're bringing me up. So they bring me up on stage and my knee is killing me and my leg is shaking like I'm nervous. Like my left leg is shaking. And you're in front of five, how many thousand, 12 ,000 people? No, no, no, wasn't that many people. It was like 500 or something like that, 600 people. But it was actually worse because they can see your knee. Well, they definitely can see my knee was shaking. But the set went great. No one can tell by the material. I did the material right away. And it was everybody was so enthusiastic. We were having so much fun.

1:18:44But I fucked it up so bad doing that. And then I started training more Thai right away. I didn't stop. I just like shot some BPC 157 into it. I waited a few days to start feeling better. I'm like, I'll just wear some knee -sleeves and train. So I went, I started doing an idea. Pro science. Well, I was doing shoot to shoot in my knee. Boy, tie in the mornings. I loved it. I loved it. I do, boy, tie in the come here straight from there. Just crack pads and have a good time. But it just wouldn't get better. It's also the same knee I fucked up skiing. I wiped out skiing. I got a concussion and I suffered what's called.

1:19:19You did? You wiped out skiing? Yeah, yeah. And I got something that's called an insufficiency fracture. It's when your knees smashed together because you don't have a meniscus there and it cracked the top of my shin. Ah, fuck dude. Yeah, it was very annoying. That was my last skiing. Because like I was going around this corner and this lady was new. She didn't know what to do. And she was just like sliding in the middle of the trail. She just couldn't stop herself. And it was either take her out or fall. And I fell hard and I banged the back of my head off the ground. Yeah. The rest of the day I was just like, I got hit by a snowboarder, a young lady.

1:19:55She knocked me just, I got just wiped. And all she did was look back and kiski. And I saw her down in the line and I put my head down. You didn't say anything to him? I was embarrassed. I was like, how am I an old man? She was like a really good young girl. And I was like, I got nervous. I know. She was too young. She was like, I fucking promise you. She looked at you like an old man. You were a bare -seat old man. Exactly. I'm like, I shouldn't be on there myself. Just but she just plowed in you and Gwyneth Paltrowed you. I deserved it, bro. Gwyneth Paltrow won that case, right? That guy I see my juice full of shit.

1:20:28Yeah, he's a fucking, yes. He seemed to leave me full of shit. That's a little opportunistic, right? Yeah, dude. Also, was he saying that he hit her though? Yes, yes. It was embarrassing. He had all his ideas and what happened to him, he couldn't like go to dinner. I couldn't do something. Oh, so he just thought he was getting paid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of wild. Even if Gwyneth Paltrowed really hurt me, I wouldn't sewer. Isn't that funny that people would do that when they just want it to go away? Short cut. Yeah. You're a short cut, take care. Yeah, you know, I don't think I'm gonna be okay.

1:20:58And my lawyer is saying that really, we need to do something about this, and if it get really significant. Yeah, okay. You can do that. Well, people who do that, I love the greatest quote I ever heard, Jordan Peterson say was in my 35 years of analysis, I've never seen anyone get away with anything ever even once. I fucking love that. Amen. Get that tattooed, you're a fucking. He said, you can twist the fabric of reality for a while, but Yankee, the piper must be paid and the truth will get you. So you can go ahead and do all those things. You can fuck people over, you can lie, you can do that.

1:21:37But I'll see you over there. I'll be at the bottom of the river while the bodies float by. You just keep that's a great quote, isn't it? That's Sam Tripoli, one of my favorite people on the planet. Well, who is that? Who is that Sun Sioux? I don't know, but Sam Tripoli is the one who says, you just gotta wait at the mouth of the river and let all the bodies float by. Yeah, live long enough to see the bodies of your enemy drift by you in the river or something like that. Something like that. What is the exact, I believe it's the art of war. I like that, I like Confucius' notion on revenge. Before you seek revenge, remember to dig too great.

1:22:09Yeah, that's great. Those wise things, that's actually a really interesting idea. Especially back to when there's no doctors. Well, yeah, yeah, that's always... When they would lead you. Here it is, it's Sun Sioux, yeah, Art of War. It's a way by the river long enough that the bodies of your enemies will float by. Damn, damn dude. I like that. I think about that when I watch CNN.

1:22:38You won that one, buddy. You won that. The bodies of your enemies. You won that one. It's an amazing thing. How, as you grow older and you have more life experiences, your perspective, kind of like Titans and moves, and you, as you get older and as you see the world with more and more experience, you get a better and clear picture. And it makes you wonder, how limited were humans when they only lived to be like 30? Like, how much did people really have a chance to expand? I don't know. I don't know because a lot of great things were discovered or created probably then too. For sure. I think when you're very aware of how finite your life is, and when you're very aware that you are victim to forces that are so much stronger than yourself, whether it's disease, first of all losing a child.

1:23:34That was a reality. A common... It's like 60%. Lincoln lost, I think, four of his children. Mary Todd ended up in a mentalist institution because she lost four of her children. Two diseases, they don't even know what they were, a fever, probably diptheria or whatever it was. They would just roll through towns and you didn't matter who. Poor hygiene, no nutrition. All that, you just died. They didn't know what it was that people would die of what is it called, malagra, whatever. Oh yeah, I mean that was everybody. But I think that sometimes when you're aware that there is a clock, and that clock might ding at any moment.

1:24:13You know, in Japan when you get sentenced to death, they don't tell you what the date is. You just sit in your cell and they show up when it's your turn. It's an interesting idea because there's something about focusing your mind. This might be your last day, and it might be for everyone. Things have a different gravity to them. And I think that that's where you get amazing, I don't know if I'm right about this, but I do think that there is something to be said about having very limited time, even living with pain. Yes. You'll create some shit. Well also that was the only reality available. There was no notion of, you know, I just need to get back to civilization.

1:25:01There was no, I need to get to the city, and everything's going to be back to normal again. I'll go to New York and ride the subway. This doesn't exist. So the only reality that exists is this unbelievably difficult world of murder and violence. Yeah, but it does something else too. I got to pee. You do? Yeah, let's do it. I do, I do. We'll come back. I'll secure your hips. Oh, don't do it. But here's my thought on what you were saying. Here's my thought on the idea of like when life was kind of brutish and short and all that. Yeah. I think it actually, so I think it's actually in a way it is, it's not an accident that some of the greatest literature was written, you know, like Dusty Aski, who was, you know, living in that rudimentary world and you have these great works of art.

1:25:51I think part of it is what happens is if you are, if you are basically, you don't know when you're going to die because the universe is that much of a mystery. I don't know when it's a disease coming. I don't know when Vader's coming in there and it can save me. I don't know when all that stuff. There's something about creating art under those circumstances. Your mindset, you are already humbled. It is not about you. It'd be really weird to like build a huge chapel and then put your name on it. You know, you didn't see great architecture, great buildings that were built and then the architect was herald.

1:26:27Have you never been a Trump Tower, bitch? That's very different, my friend. That's very different. Giant gold Trump. Yes. You wouldn't see that as much. You see kings that did that. But the artist didn't do that. Trump. You know, apparently, he doesn't own a lot of those buildings. Shut the fuck up. What are you, a communist? I'm just saying, he leases, he puts his name on there. Which is great. What are he so entertaining? He's hilarious. But we're never going to have... You see what he tweeted, or truth -socialed rather? No. And he was like celebrating the indictment. He's like one more indictment and then I'm a shoe in for the White House.

1:27:01I know. He's like, he's... It's three indictments, dude. He's got tafflon. It's it well. If he wins this, though. Yeah. If he wins this case. Well, if he wins this case, I don't think he can pardon himself. No, the only case he's going to have real trouble with. I think the other, the bragg... Alvin Bragg case in... I think it's New York is a bullshit case where it's this obscure thing. You got these prosecutors that are looking... They're being very, very creative with the law, right? Typically with laws, it's called meat and potatoes laws. You're supposed to... When somebody breaks a law and there's a law that's passed, it's supposed to be something that somebody who doesn't have a law degree can understand.

1:27:38And like if you look at Jack Smith, who's the prosecutor in this... In this January 6th thing, the... What he's being charged with, I think, is a form of fraud, defrauding the American voter, which is saying, I won the election when he knows he lost, but he never, ever admitted that he lost. They can't find anybody who said that. So there's all this gray area, but the one issue he's going to have is the mishandling of classified documents, because they have them on tape saying, I know this is classified, and then I think he has a guy... They have him talking to one of his staff saying, get rid of this.

1:28:18That's going to be a tough one for him. But I think the other two... What are the punishments of mishandling classified documents? There are people right now who are in jail for doing that. They're right now. And in fact, some of them, I think, worked for his campaign. What is the difference between the accusations against Joe Biden, where he was mishandling documents and the accusations against Trump? So any time a president is... A president's are allowed to have documents in their possession when they are working on their memoirs, etc. Now, the Justice Department and the affiliated agencies, as I understand it, then look at what you have.

1:28:56And then they send you a notice and say, by the way, you have these documents that are in your possession. X, Y, and Z are classified. You have to return them. They give you a grace period in which to return those documents. So with Biden and with a lot of other presidents, that's what happens. They say, you're in possession of classified documents. You have this window to return them, and then you return them and Biden did. With Trump, he didn't. There are a number of things that he just... But I thought Biden had classified documents that his aides found. Yes, they all do. But wasn't that from 2014, from when he was vice president?

1:29:31Yes, but the issue is not that he had those classified documents. So he didn't turn them over when they were requested? Yes, I see. And there's a fundamental difference there. Now, if you then are... I think he said, I could have declassified this, but I didn't. Something like that. When Trump said that, because at that point, he was a private American citizen. And that's where the problem is. How these recordings... How are they obtained? I think they're all a matter of record. I think that in discovery... Well, how did you... You can have to... I think this lawyer has had to prove... Well, a lot of what he...

1:30:03A lot of what a president does when you're doing your memoirs and stuff, I think, is they record you. So you're recording a lot of things you're saying and things like that. He was having a conversation with someone where he was showing them the documents. Yes, that was recorded somehow. That was recorded. Yeah, they have montaips saying that. So was it serpitiously recorded? I don't know, and I didn't get that from what I followed. I think that was just something that was happening to be part of the body of evidence in discovery. What I heard as an argument against that was that he was being braggadocious.

1:30:36They're going to use whatever they can. Yeah. And there's a chance he might get off on all of these things. But, and there's no doubt that these indictments have made him stronger with his base. The real question is, see, this is all... You're never going to get people who say, well Biden is really old and we don't have an ass. Don't complain. If you're not going to vote in primaries, we're always going to have the candidates that the most extreme elements of each party nominate. If you want to santaise or you want someone else, you better vote in the primary. If you don't vote in the primary, nobody does, including me.

1:31:11So I'm not, you know, scolding anybody. You're getting the people that they die hard, Republicans die hard Democrats, and the most active members of that party are going to nominate. That's facts. Yeah. You want to change the political system, fucking vote in the primaries. Andrew Yang, whoever you like, all these guys, that's all great, that's all adorable. The real political operatives just look at you and go, that's cute. We'll see it. We'll see it. You have a wild system. Yeah. Vote in the primary. A wild two party system. Yes. Now the only thing that, like if DeSantis crushes in, first of all, I think he should go back to being governor for former years.

1:31:46But if he wins, like the first two states, like New Hampshire and Iowa, and gets a lot of press for that, there's a chance that there can be some, you know, but I don't think so otherwise. I think the Trumpers are all in. The audio recording comes from July 2021 interview Trump gave it his bedmins to resort for people working on the memoir of Mark Meadows. Trump's former chief of staff, special counselors and indictment alleges that those in attendance, a writer, publisher, and two of Trump's staff members, were shown classified information about the plan of attack on Iran. Yeah. Wow. Yep. Wow.

1:32:25But here's what bothers me a little bit about all this. So the, hold on a second, let me see what Trump says here. He says, there was no document that was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. Trump said on Fox, and it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. I didn't have a document per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles. Okay. Well, that's true. That's a completely different thing. Then that sounds like they're saying that he showed them classified documents and he's saying I showed them a massive amount of papers and I didn't show them anything specifically.

1:33:09Look good. And saying that there was nothing to declassify. He's telling the truth. These were newspaper stories, magazines, stories, and articles. That's true. You're going to have to, the lawyers are going to argue all that. Yeah. This is political as much as it is legal. Well, that's what scares me. The people are behind this idea that you're going to arrest your political rival. That's the biggest thing. Not only that, but you have prosecutors that are getting real creative with the law. And I don't think we want a system like that. And I don't think we want every time somebody runs for office.

1:33:38Because now, now the Biden's are in trouble. I mean, 100 Biden's in real trouble here. Yeah. And there is, this guy, Devon Archer, said that Biden was on the phone on behalf of the son 20 times. And that's, that was Devon Archer, who's also going to jail. Now, that was 100 Biden's business partner. And he said he personally witnessed that. And he said that I'm just swarming testimony. There is enough evidence to at least investigate the idea that maybe Biden took a $5 million bribe. Whatever the case. But my point about this is the mainstream media, legacy media, gives that almost no attention.

1:34:14Yeah. And all you have, that I think that the legacy of Donald Trump will be in some ways. The other side was so hysterical about him being a clear and present danger to the United States. And I'm talking about Republicans. I'm talking about deep state. I'm talking about Democrats. I'm talking about a lot of people that they have behaved in an undemocratic, un -American way. They have bent a lot of rules. And they're bringing these indictments, three of which now, I think, are four. In a period of six months, I don't think we want a system like that. I don't think you want people running for office.

1:34:53And then somebody who's on the other side of the aisle gets real creative with their prosecutorial, you know, with bending the law, figuring out the gray areas of the law. And now you're spending all your money on legal fees. Especially when there's been no answer to what they did with the Russia collusion hoax. You mean out of the shift? They haven't taken seriously? They promoted that. They promoted that in mainstream media. They promoted that politicians promoted it. They called them a Russian asset. Listen, Adam Schiff, he was on the, he was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

1:35:29Is that what it is? Adam Schiff knew he never saw any evidence, any evidence that Trump was in collusion with the Russians, or that the Russians were interfering in American elections, or that whatever. And, or that there may have been evidence of that, but there was no evidence that Russia and Trump were in collusion. And he kept saying it. He kept saying it on every news outlet he could. That's a fact. And he knew otherwise. And no one's held him to task for that. That was, that was a, that was a lie to the American people. It just was. And that's, that's what I have a problem with. And there's been no acknowledgement, like in mainstream media, that that was a hoax, and that he was innocent of what they were accusing him of.

1:36:15None. None. That is so wild. And they go from that to new accusations. So for the casual, for the person that's not doing a deep dive in all these stories and reading all these articles, what you're getting is the narrative that you see in headlines. Trump and died it again. Trump's a criminal. Trump did this. Trump, you know, incited people to enter the Capitol on January 6th because he said the election was rigged. And all this trouble that's Biden is in now and his son is in was all on Hunter Biden's laptop. And we were told that that was, there was nothing to see there. Didn't 50, was it 51 members of intelligence that he signed off on that?

1:36:51It was Russian disinformation. There you go. So what does that do about that? My problem with all of this is that it's, it just destroys credibility. Yeah. It destroys people's faith in the. Which you said earlier, it's perfect. It's on American. Yeah. It really is. And I know you're doing it because you think you want to beat this guy by any means necessary, but you become an attire. You're setting up a system that's going to be used against you too. 100%. And it's also setting up precedent of things that we allow. Yeah. And no one seems to care because it's Trump. Because it's Trump, he's like a non -human to them.

1:37:21Like all the rules of empathy and dignity and the most charitable view of things never apply. That's right. It's like the worst examples of anything that he's ever said or anything he's ever done. And that's all he is. Well, you know, I, it's, you know, and if you say, even if you say that, you're a Trump apologist. But like, you, you got to look at what is going on. There's, there's, there's a massive movement to keep this guy from being president again. And some of it, you don't want to see happening in a democratic society. Yeah. My, my worry is that, you know, I really do think legacy media, a lot of these people come from the same colleges, the same area codes.

1:38:05They do see the world differently than most of us who are out there trying to build a life. Isn't that wild? It is wild. That they somehow or another are supposedly representing the frequency of the country. But they're so off. And they think they're superior because they're very educated. And because they're indoctrinated into this progressive ideology. And they think that there's a mandate to not just, you know, not just exist and do your thing, but to change the world. And mold it into these ideas that you were indoctrinated with in school. Yeah. And, and there becomes this lateral cooperation with, with the, the powers that be.

1:38:45And so they can very easily highlight one story and suppress another or just not report on another. And when you walk into a newsroom and you're somebody who's looking to speak truth to power and be part of the, the way the fourth of the state should really work, would you used to be that journalists were all blue collar guys who've been gals who hit the pavement. Now you've got people that are, that agree with the idea, for example, that, you know, maybe, maybe people who are in power with this education know a little bit more than the people that are actually out the fly by states, you know, that that that great, I can't remember who said it might have been William F Buckley who said, you have to understand that would you rather be ruled by the Harvard faculty or the first 2000 names in the Harvard faculty?

1:39:33And so you're not in the Boston phone book. If you believe in democracy, you've got to say the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book. It sounds very enticing. The, the Harvard faculty, they're smart as shit. They know what's best for all of us. Let the philosopher kings run it. But that's not how our grand experiment works. And I think this is the greatest country in the world because it always pushes the ideal and the idea that the individual should always supersede the collective. That the collective will always become a tyranny. And you as an individual have certain inalienable rights that can't be taken away from you, no matter which way the wind blows and no matter how strong the collective is.

1:40:16That's such an important distinction. It is the fundamental distinction between being somebody who's for free markets and democracy and somebody who's a socialist. That's why I think socialism is way more dangerous. People, all these young people have a favorable view of socialism. No, no, no, I'm sorry. Now you have a top down authority that believes in orchestrating and socially engineering equality at all costs, which means we've got to keep the people that are really exce - you know, excelling. You got to keep them down a little bit. That's why you have congress people like saying things like in California, fuck Elon Musk.

1:40:50They say stuff like that to a guy who creates that many jobs and is that innovative and that much of a risk -paker. And that's what I worry about. I worry that human beings naturally, we have an inclination towards competition. And we think about things not just for the greater good of the country, but when you're locked into a party war, you know, it's the Democratic Party versus the Republican Party, this is a sports game. And whatever dirty tricks you can use by deflating balls or fucking spiking people's cool aid, whatever the fuck you can do to get people to lose or to win, there's going to be certain elements of your party that are willing to do that.

1:41:32It's going to be - the problem is when it becomes the intelligence agencies. The problem is when you know, when they're colluding, like they're working in conjunction. And then also they're contacting social media companies. I think that some of it is the stuff you've talked about, which is - This is new territory. It's really hard to deal with the amount of misinformation and malinformation and disinformation. Don't know where it's coming from. How much of it's coming from us? Do you think there's any American misinformation, troll farms? Yes. Do you think the government funds them? Yes. I mean, it would make sense.

1:42:12I don't think it's done with - I don't think conspiracies like, I think that there are programs and ideas that might be - You might set up a propaganda ministry quietly to combat something else. We did that with ISIS. They were very good with - with their recruiting and stuff like that. So we said, let's figure out a way to deal with that. It's a case scenario. We do it to combat ISIS. This is new for people. This is new. You've got to - you know, there's all this blowback. You come up with a plan and - this is hard stuff. There's no group of people who are so smart and they're planning all this shit.

1:42:50Good luck. Too many moving parts in life. No, I don't think that. But I do think that the people who are in control, whether it be the government, which can contact Facebook or whether it be the intelligence communities that say that the Hunter Biden -Laptop's bullshit, when they know it's not, when you have situations where people have that kind of power and control over people and it's through this digital realm that didn't exist before. So all the rules that you would apply to the First Amendment outside of that, they get - everything gets real slippery. Like this is a private corporation and we can - This is malinformation and misinformation.

1:43:28Malinformation is the craziest one. Which is true information that may be detrimental or something like that. Yeah, what is the actual definition of malinformation? But it's things that may be true. Like it can - they can deem something that is true malinformation. So you can have misinformation that's not true. Let me ask you a question. Here it is. Malinformation is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization or country. So fishing and cat fishing. Yeah, but also just that term. Truth that could be used to inflict harm. Yeah. Well, malinformation means bad. What kind of proof that - But how open to interpretation is that?

1:44:11I don't know. Doxic, swatting and revenge porn. But how open -ended is that? Like what if you expose something in the federal government like say, what if you're Julian Assange and you expose that collateral murder video or you release those documents, the WikiLease documents? Well, let me ask you something. I mean, maybe you and I and everybody else are being paranoid. So in other words, here's what I - here's my question. Well, maybe it's not even a question, but you know, you and I and a lot of us complain about these things. We worry about the fact that there's a lot of disinformation that the government's controlling this and that, you know, big tech is this, that and the other thing.

1:44:56But sometimes I wonder if I'm just being paranoid. And sometimes I wonder if I'm just - I'm in an echo chamber. And sometimes I wonder, you know, because, look, man, I'm on the Joe Rogan experience. I don't know how many people listen to this. I can say whatever the fuck I want and people listen. And that could be British welders, that could be - I was in Israel and an Ethiopian guy said to me as he's helping me with my bag in the airport. In Israel, he goes, do you come from Joe Rogan? I was like, I do come from him. I come from his rib. I'm glad you asked. Yes, I come from his fucking rib. That's in, that's in, you know, and I can - I can on YouTube, I can find, I can confirm my bias all day long.

1:45:39I can find politicians and thinkers who believe everything I believe in. And so sometimes I wonder, man, and look, as far as Hunter Biden, they try to get away with a lot of stuff with that laptop. They try to do all kinds of stuff. And all we're talking about now is all the shit on that laptop. And it's all been exposed. And I promise you, I promise you Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, I promise you are thinking about this all the time. Because they're realizing it's a shit storm that's just beginning, mark my words. So while all of us are complaining, the legacy media doesn't cover this and stuff like that.

1:46:14Yeah, but guess what? The justice department's going to do their job. Yes. I was just saying - It's like disappointing that legacy media doesn't cover it. And the reason they don't cover it, because they think it's going to empower the narrative that Donald Trump is a superior president. And they - Yeah. If they - Their narrative was always that Donald Trump has cropped, then also there's real clear evidence that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden got - How many millions of dollars? Yeah. Like - 11 million. He made 11 million dollars. He's - You know, he's this law degree now. Hold on for a sec. For a barisma, which was - And I think he had some affiliations with some Chinese energy companies.

1:46:54And - And of course, Hunter Biden is who studied the paints and he has a law degree. But barisma, I guess, paid him $11 million. $11 million over a period of, I think, I don't know what it was, four or five years. And maybe even less. And, you know, because they needed his expertise on energy and on natural gas. A big sense. Yeah. Nicholas Cage should play him in a movie. That'd be fucking - That's such a good call. That's such a good call. That's such a good call. That should be the next Tarantino movie. Driving 170 miles an hour. Wooo! Smoking crack. Good job. I mean, he - By the way, he - He'd be kind of fun to hang with.

1:47:37Oh my god, he'd be fun to hang with. I mean, he's the dark side. Yeah. That dude went hard. Oh yeah. No matter what you say. And I have semi -frored. And addict. I mean, he - He was an addict, you know. He was an addict and, you know, his dad's the fucking president. His brother's dead. Like, there's so much - So much trauma. His sister, his mom, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean, he went through some shit. So it's not surprising that he had - He had to wrestle with some stuff. And hopefully now he's sober. Well, you know, we all know addicts. And that the - There's something about the particular - Like, I know one that I haven't seen him in forever.

1:48:10But he always had a coke problem. And he was really talented, really funny guy. But he would go hard dude. Hard. Like, as - See you in three days. Yeah. Yeah. Just vanish. Come back. Look like wet cardboard. It looks so bad. It looks so dead. Well, how about that cocaine that they found in the White House? And apparently they couldn't trace it back. In the most secure building in the - In the world. In the most secure building in the world, by the way. Because there are no cameras anywhere. You know, it's a crazy coincidence. They couldn't figure it out. And the press stopped asking questions.

1:48:44You know what - What's crazy coincidence? Hunter Biden was there that weekend. Stop it. He was there. Yeah, but they tried to say he wasn't the White House press secretary He said that he had left. But he left on Friday. It's adorable. He was there on Friday. It's adorable. They made it go away. And nobody asked any more questions. That White House press secretary, if she was Pinocchio. I think you can stand up with any - Any White House press - But that's the horror lady. She has to lie every day. That is her job. I feel for her. And she tries to do the political things with the hands. I feel bad for her.

1:49:14And we don't talk about personal affairs. She's just the messenger. And people hate her. It's an terrible job. Everybody hates her. I bet she's a nice lady. I guarantee it. My favorite is Kaylee McKenny, though. She was the best. She was the best. She's the goat. She's the goat. She came and received - They're all turned into facts. She's always prepared. Yeah. She always knew exactly what the actual facts were and how they were wrong. Yeah. She just shut them down right in front of their face. I'm making it. She's my outer face. Yeah. She's the best. She's an assassin. I'm a assassin. The greatest one of those ever.

1:49:44But I feel like that's a gig you can only do for like nine months or you lose your fucking mind. You start dying. Like they all stop doing it after a while. Write a book. Go write a book. Just be like, hey, by the way, I was fucking - I was bullshit. Yeah. After a while. That's how I feel about Chris Cuomo. I know Chris. Chris is, you know, people make fun of - Chris is a dude. And I will guarantee in his mind, like he had - He's like, it was great. But in his mind, he's like, I can't think of how to do that anymore. Yeah. Fuck yeah. If we have - I know him. I know him in New York. He's real good friends with Patty.

1:50:19Patrick Bet David likes him. Oh, I love that. He's a really nice guy. No, no, he's a trust me on this. Chris Cuomo is a real dude. And he's one of us and you fucking love him. So he just got trapped. Yes. He got trapped. Talk to him. Have him on the podcast. Great sense of humor. Very self -deprecating. Doesn't think he's cool. No, I just like him. I haven't talked to him in a long, long time. But I just - I like Kristen. How could we not talk to him if you like him? I just - I keep in touch through Patty. And - And, you know, we just - I'd say I read a patty on an elevator. No. Oh, yes, you told me.

1:50:51In New York City, just fucking - I just had dinner with her. Complete dumb luck. I love her. I'm going to play pool. And Patty walks into the elevator. And we just make eye contact. We're talking about Patty Jenkins, who directed Monster - Wonder Woman 2, Monster. Yeah. She's - Killer Aster, piece. Oh. Monster. Monster is such a masterpiece. I know. It's so good. She's one of my favorite people now. Charlies are on. When you want to talk about going hard. It's my favorite performance of all time. That lady went hard. It's my favorite performance. All I could think about was how crazy much she'd be.

1:51:20I think she could pull this monster out of her. I've hung out with her a couple of times. She's inside of her. I've hung out with her. I'm hung out with her. She's inside of her. I'm hung out with her. Very normal, but she had a - She had a hell of a life childhood. You know about that, right? Mm -hmm. Okay. I -I think it's public. Well, it's not. Yeah. Take a chance. She went through some stuff. But God damn that performance is insane. And to be that hot and make yourself that fucking gross. Oh my God. Gained weight now. I know, man. What other female, like bombshell actress has ever done that?

1:51:48I know. Because you know, Christian Bales done that a bunch of times. Yeah. He did it for the machinist where he got down to nothing. And then he did Dick Cheney where he got real fat. He's incredible. He's on another level. And Robert D 'Neil famously did it in Raging Bull. Well, that's my second favorite - My first favorite performance is Charlie's Theron in Monster. My second favorite performance of any actor is D 'Neil and Raging Bull. And he was the first actor ever to do that. He gained, I think, 66 pounds. And he's got a frame like me. He's very thin and not a tall guy. And gained 66 pounds.

1:52:22And no one had seen anything like that. No one was shredded. Oh, yeah. When he played, oh, Jake Lamatta, he was shredded. Find D 'Neil from that movie. Do you know how hard you - And this is like pre -steroid days. Do you know how hard you have to train to look as good as he looked? For as long as he was - And he just got as an actor. I know. I mean, Robert D 'Neil was an actor. He was not like a fucking pro boxer who entered into acting. He boxed. He was always in the gym, apparently. He looked fucking great. Yep. He looked great in that movie. Yep. Had the same mentality. Yeah, look at that.

1:53:00He was just a fucking animal. When that guy would dive into a role, he was a fucking animal. Fuck, he was so good. He was so good. Go back and watch Taxi Driver. Why do I get - Holy shit. I mean, come on. Holy shit was he good. Mean streets Taxi Driver. What was the Julius Murray? The fucking - Aw, Awakening's not - No, the one where he played the con fear. Dude! Holy shit. Remember how shredded he was in that? Holy shit. You worked out with Lee Haney for that. Did he really? Yeah. Lee Haney. Find Robert De Niro and Cape Fear doing chin ups. Oh my God. Do you guys know what I'm doing? Oh my God.

1:53:36That was such a creepy movie. That's a movie you could never make today. No. You could fucking never make that movie too. Look at him. Yeah. And the hair. Come on. When you were RAs, when we were young like that, remember? I was just like, I want to be an actor. I want to do that shit. I know. Everybody wanted to be here. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody, after Cape Fear, he was so good. It was such a creepy role too. Look at that with Stalin, the background. Look at that. That's everyone's fear. You fuck someone over and they go to jail and then they get out and kill you. Oh, fuck. Look at that.

1:54:08And then you get out and then this guy. He was so good. He was so good, dude. That and how about him and he - Look at how - That's how you should always look. And he was just a fucking - That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is. That's what the hair is.

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1:55:39So I got to do something that makes me feel manly, like starve myself or just feel, you know, Is Daniel DeLueus totally done with acting? He's just making shoes now or something? No, he was a cobbler. He apparently took three years to become a fucking cobbler. He wanted to make shoes. Yeah, I think he's still acting. I think it pulls him back in. Really? I think I'm tired. No, like him and Gangs in New York was so crazy shit about there will be blood. Yeah, I mean, you did this is another guy. Yeah. This is another dude who said, I'm just embarrassed at being a middle class boring Englishman. So I do just crazy shit.

1:56:15And I wear other people's clothes, say other people's words, and that's what I do. And whatever it takes me to get there, I do. And, you know, I'll fucking wear that outfit, not take a shower for five days. And it just gets me in character. You can keep all that shit, by the way. You can keep all of it, okay? Acting like salad. Never started, never ate a salad where I didn't want to be over. Every time I ate a salad, I feel like a fucking coward. I'm like, I'm eating salad because apparently it'll keep cancer away. It's the only reason I ever eat any vegetables. I hate all vegetables. And acting, I've never been on a set.

1:56:47I'm sorry to say this out loud. Where I didn't want to be off. Where I didn't want to be done. But, Brian Calon trying to get work. I see what you're doing. You're playing that hard to get, thank you. Yeah, is that what I'm doing? Yeah, that's what you're doing. I'll stick to stand up, bro. I got enough, uh, to start. There will be blood. Gangs in New York, and there will be blood, two of the all -time grades. God. I didn't see Lincoln. Look at them in Lincoln. They look so much like Lincoln. Was that Lincoln movie any good? Well, I did a movie with a guy who was in that, had a substantial role.

1:57:12Yeah. And I said, what was it like to work with Daniel De Lewis? And he said, uh, well, and I went, uh, and he goes, and that's just that, you know, he wouldn't answer any questions that, like that didn't occur after 1865. He wasn't going to talk to you about today. Today, yeah. It's like at the Renaissance fair, someone breaks character and the other lady said, what off that I'm talking about? Yeah. Like, you could only speak to him, and as literally as Abe Lincoln. Yeah. And in fact, then my buddy came in and said, I'm sorry about all that nonsense and Cincinnati. And Daniel De Lewis was like, yes, yes, well, we're going to work on that.

1:57:54And that was how it was, dude. You're staying character. You're talking to Abraham Lincoln period. Yeah, there's no craft services like, bro, how you doing? No, no, no, no, I'm sorry, sir. I'm going to hold that character for three months. Well, you know, I did Joker, and I worked with Joaquin Phoenix. Same thing. I was in the room with him for five days. And, you know, when he came, I think to say, he was a hundred and, when he was walking around 180 pounds or something. And I think Todd Phillips said something like, I think the character should be kind of skinny. Just kind of said it, you know, casually like I think.

1:58:28And Joaquin, I think, showed up at a hundred and twenty four pounds. And then they were like, let's just give you a, this guy's got in human discipline. They go, let's give you a nutrition. It's everything else. And he said, no, no, it's okay. He just ate an apple and smoked cigarettes. And when we were on set, he never looked at you. And he never looked at you. At one point, I went like this. I had a scene. If you blink, I'm out of it. But I had a bunch of lines that didn't make it. But I go like this. I go, what'd you do? Take a gun and blow your head off. And I mimicked it. And I put it in my mouth.

1:58:58I'm like, like that. And when I did that, I, I felt like he, I did that twice. On the second time, he fell straight back. He fell straight back and landed. Like it just, he was just improvising. Do crazy shit where you didn't know if he was going to even hurt himself. Remember when he punches the clock? That's not in the script. He just punched that clock off the wall. And Todd thought he broke his hand. That was not on the script. I saw, when I saw, you know the bus scene where he can't stop laughing. I saw them shooting that when I got to set. I swear to God, I saw him walking. And I knew he was going to win an Oscar.

1:59:37It was that good. And I looked at Todd and I go, holy shit, he goes, you have no idea, dude. It was like when I saw the fighter, Christian Bell and the fighter, remember that? Opening scene? I went, are you going to win an Oscar in this? I don't know. You could see it. You're like, you're a crack addict. And you're a, you're a Xboxer. You see one frame and you go, well, this is something different is happening here. It was the same thing with him. But I watched him for, I think it was four or five days. I was there. And I've never seen somebody be able to hold that concentration and that kind of character for that long.

2:00:05I was like, I can never do that. I don't want to do that. That's not fun to be around. That was a spooky movie. Because it was like, this is like too close to reality. Masterpiece, bro. And then right after that, you have the BLM riots and the COVID riots and all that stuff happened afterwards. I know. Have you met Todd Phillips? Who writes and directs those movies? No. You need to meet him. I'd love to meet him. He's one of my favorite people on the screen. I love that hangover. He's such a special dude. You should have him on the podcast. I think you'd love him, man. He grew up in a one bedroom apartment with his mom in New York.

2:00:37And I think he's just a fucking genius. He gave me notes on a script I wrote once. And I was like, oh, that's why you're a genius. Isn't it funny that we like people better if they grew up in a one bedroom apartment with their mom? With chaos. If you grew up in a mansion in Park City, Park City, Utah, just overlooking the slopes. Yeah. Well, you're a lack of comfort. You didn't have an easy childhood. Yeah, well, yeah. No, I didn't. You know, that's super. I think it's super power. I don't want it for my kids. I know. That's the rubble. It's horrible. You know, it's interesting. But, you know, I feel like kids that are loved for whatever reason do get a certain ambition from their parents.

2:01:18And also they recognize work ethic. My kids work really hard at stuff that they do. And I think a lot of it's because my wife works really hard at stuff she likes to do. Yeah. And I work really hard at stuff I like to do. And they see that I work hard. And they know that I have like multiple jobs. Yeah, maybe part of it's also genetic. You rather have that constitution. I think it's genetic with one of my daughters. It's one of my daughters is a complete psycho. And just like super driven towards things. Like tries to do things. And she gets better and better and better and better and better at them.

2:01:48Like physical things. I think that's genetic. But it's interesting because she comes from like, instead of like needing attention, she comes from this loving household where she gets all this love. So she has confidence. And her feet are on the ground. And she's happiness. But she's also crazy driven. Where when I was driven, it was like, I want to figure out a way where I'm not a loser. I have to make something out of myself because I feel like a loser. It wasn't from a place of healthiness. I love exciting things and getting better at them. It wasn't that. I'm obsessed with this thing because this is the first time in my life where I didn't feel like a loser.

2:02:26Well, that's that Jungian, the notion of the shadow. Like you have two selves, right? You have yourself and then you're hidden self. The idea that all your insecurities and that boy that I've been trying to run away from forever, that skinny boy who is full of shame and full of fear. And I don't want anybody to see that boy. That's somebody I always hide with something else, right? With bravado or with whatever this thing is that I, you know, this arm construct. Yeah. And I think that part of what helps you as an artist or even as a person is to bring that boy with you. You know, bring that shadow with you because there's a strength in that.

2:03:09There's an honesty in it. You know, I'm not interested in trying to present as something I'm not. I am also that other thing. There's a lot of strength in that boy who's skinny and... Well, there's a lot of strength in desire, right? There's a desire for improvement and change. And that's also some of the things that come off of failure. You have this desire never experienced that again. That's a big one with stand up when you bomb or if you're losing a fight, both those things are true because like you just like, oh my god, I never want that to happen again. And then you become far more dedicated.

2:03:44You have to have those moments where the realization of effort to reward. Like what's the real formula? Am I lying to myself on this formula? Am I going to six and I'm telling everybody I go to nine? Like what is actually really happening? And the only way you really find out is by attempting to do things, no matter what you're trying to do, whether it's trying to put together a stand -up set, whether you're trying to get better at Jiu -Jitsu, whether you're doing gymnastics, whatever it is. The only way to know whether you're doing enough and doing it the right way is to see your improvement when it's tried.

2:04:17That's right. When it's tested and tried. That's what's so great about stand -ups. And the challenge of being original, surprising yourself, never goes away. That's why I'm so addicted to it. That's why I'm more excited about stand -up now at 56 than I've ever been. It's fun. Thank god. It's fun and it's a beautiful exchange. Like it's a beautiful exchange for me as an audience member. I love the exchange of watching someone on stage kill. And I laugh so hard. I feel great. It's like a beautiful drug that you get when you're laughing really hard. It's my favorite thing to do. Like last night we all went out with Patrick Bettevich crew.

2:04:55Love it. Yeah. And it was me, a son of a darepost in in Brian Simpson, just sitting across from each other, just howling laughing, talking and drinking, Margarita. That's a huge part of stand -up, man. That's what you've created in Austin. It's not as much that, you know, that hang. It's so important. New York has that. Austin has that. LA used to have that. It used to. It used to. Yeah, and the parking lot. Yeah, the parking lot. And then the back bar, the back comics bar was always amazing. And he'd done that with the mother shit. I need to go out and do that. Well, we did. It's just take all the best elements that we saw in the store.

2:05:32And the ethic behind the store, it's the reason why the bar's named Mitzies. It's in homage to Mitzie Shore. Yep. I'm doing cap cities. Pauli came. Dude, Pauli's was so funny. I hadn't seen Pauli on stage in years. And he was so funny, he was so loose. How great is that? And he's been working. He's been working a lot. But he's really matured. I did a podcast with him. Yeah, he's a star. He's a sweetheart. He really is. Yeah. I'm always happy to see him now. He lives in Vegas now. I know. Vegas has a real comedy scene, man. Vegas has multiple comedy clubs now. There's like a scene of, there's a lot of guys moved from LA to Vegas.

2:06:09He hangs with Nick Cage. Yeah, it's his homey. Yeah. It's kind of random. Yeah, he sent me videos of him in Nick Cage. Do you ever get star struck with the celebrities you know now? Sometimes. Yeah. I rented the Axel Rose in Greece. That's great. That was a wild one. See, this is what happened. I was with my friend Brian Mararescu. He's the guy who wrote the immortality key, that amazing book on the Illicinian mysteries in Greece. And it just so happened that when my family and I were in Greece, he was in Greece. And so we all met up and he gave us a tour of Ulysses. He gave us a tour of Ulysses.

2:06:44He gave us a tour of the Parthenon. The Parthenon. He explained, like we went to the museum. The Parthenon Museum is explaining everything to us. It's amazing. So anyway, we were at this restaurant and we were eating. It's late at night. We're having fun. And he goes to the bathroom and he comes back and goes, he goes Axel Rose is here. I go, no way. And he goes, yeah, he's right over there, like as you're leaving, you have to see him. I'm like, oh shit. So I get anxiety because when I'm leaving, I'm like, do I say hi? I kind of have to say hi. What if he doesn't know I am? It'd be weird. Oh, it was horrible.

2:07:16So he looked at me like he didn't know what I was and he goes, oh hey dude. And then he shakes my hand. I'm like, thank you. And then he starts telling me bits that he likes. Really? Yeah, he's telling me bits for me. He's asking me about my Netflix special. And I'm like, oh my god, this is amazing. Oh my god. So then he invites us to the show. So they're doing guns and roses in Athens on that Saturday night. And we were going to be there Saturday night. We were leaving on Sunday morning. So it was perfect. So we saw three hours of guns and roses in front of this massive stadium. How are you? That incredible.

2:07:46They did three fucking hours. And people don't realize they can fill a stadium still. And it was 95 degrees out. And nobody gives a fuck. They were dripping sweat. I mean, slash was fucking banging that guitar out. Look at that. This is the video of me. I filmed this backstage. This is the end of the show. Give me some volume so you can hear it. Because it's fucking incredible to hear the crowd. This video has no sound. Oh really? That's weird. I swear to God, it's just a sound on my phone. Where is that? That's, uh, that's all his acts. He was on the box. He's on the box. See him standing up there and he got down.

2:08:21And he cut his hair. Yeah. Dude is insane. It was insane. It was just so cool. Yeah. The freakyest one for me still though is the wrong stones. When we went to see the wrong stones, we saw him at Coda, the circuits of the Americas. Yeah. And I was standing there and my friend was talking to me. I literally couldn't hear where he was saying. Because I was so freaked out that Mick Jagger was right there. I was like, he's really right there. And he was right in front of you. Like you were, you know, you know, you were, you were, you were, you were listening. I was seeing him. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't that far away.

2:08:54We were like 30 rows back or something. Right. But I'm like staring at Mick Jagger. A piece of history. He's, he's fucking jamming too. He's 80 years old today. His olden Biden. Yeah. He is. His olden Biden. That's crazy. It's amazing. And fucking show was fantastic. Fantastic. Wow. They played everything. I know. They won't play, they don't play Brown Sugar anymore though. Why? Too dangerous. Come on. They won't play it. Really? Yeah. Put it inside. He's fucking sick. Such a good. You're 80 bro. Just a bag. What are you gonna do? Get canceled fuck off. You taste so good. Come on man. That's an homage.

2:09:29It's a great song. Great. And you know, they played shelter. They played, they played all the, the classics. Can't always get to what you want. All the classics. All the classics. Simplity for the devil. Simplity for the devil. They played that. The only thing is they stopped writing. They kind of become a cover band of themselves. Keith Richards played a new song. Yeah. They played at least one new song. Yeah. I think you might have played too. But yeah, I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be when you're around that long. You know, you kind of like, if you go to see guns and roses and they don't play paradise city.

2:10:01Yeah. Yeah. They have to play, welcome to the jungle. They have to play patients. When you're in Greece or places like that, do you get recognized a lot, a lot? It's enough. Yeah. It's kind of less. It's less to be in another country and realize that. It's less than America. Yeah. But it's enough. Yeah. It's absolutely. Podcasting celebrities different though, because they listen to you so much that in a way you become like, they do know you. Well, what's amazing is that everybody speaks English. There's so many people in other parts of the world that speak English as a second language and they consume English stuff, whether it's movies and television shows or even podcasts.

2:10:41There's so much smarter than us. There's so many people that are bilingual in this world. I know. And in America, it's like, what are the numbers besides Latinos and immigrant populations in America that are bilingual? Like, what are the numbers? I mean, I always... If you had a guess, let's just guess a percentage of America that's bilingual. Oh, the percentage of America that's bilingual? Let's guess. 30. You think it's that high? I mean, I'm wrong, but I'd say only because of the Spanish population. So let's say, let's say, let's say 20%. Okay. I was going to say 18. Yeah. So let's think of...

2:11:11It's probably even lower than that. Now, let's say Spain. Yeah. They don't die. 70%. Sure. Okay, let's look at that. Israel, Israel, everybody in Israel. And in Jordan, everyone's spoken English. Yeah. I mean, I'm talking about the Bedouin -Spoke English. Yeah. By the way, by the way, just very quickly, look it up. Now, you like to hunt. All I'm going to say with your... I'm just going to say this. When you say it. There is hunting in Jordan in that desert that will change your life. You want hunting in Jordan? I didn't, but I was talking to what they hunt, which is wild goat, which is deer, which is everything you can imagine, even wild hare.

2:11:50And they do a lot of hunting. And those desert, that desert is some of the most... I went to Wadi Room. That's where they shot the Martian. And there's some of the most beautiful... Some of the most beautiful parts... Is that where they shot that movie? Yes. And Martian. Dude, Jordan is... That's a great movie. Jordan is so amazing. And I thought of you, because the guy with this Bedouin guy was telling me how much they hunt, because he was showing me pictures. Everything. The deer and everything. And I was like, what do you have? We have everything here. We have everything in the hunting zone, believable.

2:12:18And you do it year round. And even pigeon. Even wood pigeon stuff like that crazy shit. Do you know pigeon was brought here for food? That makes sense. Yeah, all those pigeons that you see in your city. Is that true? Yeah. Squab, squab. It's great. It was brought here. From probably England or... I don't know. It's a good question. Because in England, you have a lot of wood pigeon. Probably England. I've eaten a lot of it.

2:12:43But... Still to this day. There's like seasons on pigeons. And pigeons apparently taste really good. I think we should use your connections and get to the King of Jordan, the lives in Malibu and shoot to Terran Tactical. And he's a great guy. Shouldn't we go pigeon hunting instead? No, no, listen to me. I'm going to use your solution. I'm going to use your solution. If the King of Jordan is listening, I think we go. He loves to hunt. He's a man and... What you learned how to shoot a bow? I swear to God I learned how to shoot a bow. But it'll take a long time. I'm a very athletic guy and I'm a good student.

2:13:13You just teach me. Remember the last time we tried to pull the bow back? Yeah. Shut up. I had a trick shoulder. You fucking asshole. I think there's maybe a couple of balls. Andrew Schultz came into the back. He's never pulled the bow back before. I showed him how to do it. I showed him how to line a peep site. And he shot it right into the fucking bullseye at 40 yards. He's a good basketball player. You see him play basketball. He's an athlete. Very good. He can box too. He's a good basketball player. Let's not get carried away. Don't get carried away. He can hit the ass. I've seen him hit pads.

2:13:43I'm not going to knock him down. He'll fuck you up. Don't say that out loud. He will fuck you up. Because now I'm going to have to fight him. And I love him. He's going to fuck you up. He's going to fuck you up. I love him too. You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. But I love him. Nope. He's going to move like a real athlete. And you're going to panic. You're going to think about your joints and your legaments. Yeah. Okay. You want to see me hit, Mitz? What is it? I love Andrew. Andrew's an athlete and stuff like that. But you better stop it right now. Shut the fuck up. He can play basketball.

2:14:10This is, I'm seeing Brian Calinget and Boxed up. You're out of your fucking mind. You're out of your mind. You're out of your boxed up. You're out of your mind. But I love him. You're getting boxed up. You're getting me. You're getting me really riled up. He's going to box you up. Scott could reach though. He's a big kid. He's not hitting the Mitz very hard. But he's going to hit you hard. All right. We'll see. Let's go. He's going to fuck you up. Give me some Mitz. Fuck you. Although I got a tweaked back. I slept wrong. I slept wrong. I need a lot of time to warm up. I'm hitting Mitz. You too.

2:14:38I love boxing. I love sparring. But I had to stop. I was getting dizzy. I might go back. I went to black house in, they have a public black house. And I went there two yesterday, literally yesterday. And I'm like, they have wrestling. They have Jitsu. And they have Moita glasses. And I think I can go back here. It's so fun. It's so fun. I love hitting pads more than anything. I love it. Whenever we do the UFC, I would get a chance to train with Mark Deligrote.

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2:22:04It's like a form of meditation. That's right. That's right. Particularly archery, I think, because it's the same sort of position. You're in the same position every time. Every time you draw back, your shoulders relaxed, your back is taught, you're on the string, you're just gently pulling through that trigger. It's the same position every time. And you're trying to hit this thing with me at 73 yards. I'm trying to hit this thing that's this big. And it's just, yeah. And to do it right, you cannot be thinking about anything else. It all goes away. And there's like a mind -cleansing aspect to that.

2:22:41Yes. I agree 100%. I talked to John Dudley about that. I went to him and he stopped sweating. Yeah. John's a giant. He's a giant. He's a stud. Talk about being built well. Just a natural athlete, you know? Yeah, he's a great guy too. And he's a masterful archery instructor. I guess he is. Master. Because I was kind of asking him about the principles around it. And I realized very quickly that this guy could probably talk to you for a year before you even picked up a bow about his philosophy around it. Oh, yeah. No, he, I mean, he teaches archery. So he has like the most extensive video collection.

2:23:14If you go to knock on archery on YouTube, it's knock on like NOCK. It's the most extensive like archery instructionals that you could get anywhere and the best instruction you can get everywhere. He does it perfectly. He teaches you perfect form. He gives you like exactly what you need to do to tune your arrows and tune your bow. And I mean, and he puts it all up there for free. Well, I think, I think I've said this before, I think if you really want to get to know yourself, get really good at least one thing. Just get really good at one thing. Yeah. Because the, what it takes to get really good at that one thing forces you to confront the things that are holding you back in general.

2:23:53And I don't know what those are, but all everybody has them. You know, everybody has hangups, everybody has insecurities, everybody has, you know, even resentments, you know, like it's really hard to go through life without having some resentment for people. And I think one of the most valuable things to do is to be able to let go of those people with love. Like I know it sounds hokey. I know it sounds hokey. But I know I know I know, right? This is this is a, there's a book called The Tools. You ever see the, the Stuts that, that, oh, fuck, Jonah Hill had his therapist. He did a documentary about his therapist.

2:24:29His therapist was, when his therapist was nine years old, his brother died of cancer, his three year old brother. And his parents were both atheists. And his parents had nothing to fall back on. So he ended up being his parents' therapists. Oh, Jesus. And, and by the time he became a therapist, it was a joke for him. He was like, I've been doing this my whole life. And it was really interesting about the book and also about the documentary is that then at 30, he gets Parkinson's. And it's debilitating. And so he has to contend, he's now 75 and he has to contend with his mortality. And one of the things that he found the most frustrating thing about psychoanalysis was this idea that I, I can tell you we can find out where after talking for a long time, where your anxiety comes from, your dad did this, your uncle did this, whatever it might be.

2:25:16You can find the causes maybe. We can, we can expose those. But now what do we do about it? Just because you know why, it doesn't mean you know what to do about it. So you've got anxiety or you've got this self limiting, you know, you've got the self -sabotor or whatever it might be or you have this depression. Well, what do you do about that? You know, I can prescribe medication, but sometimes that doesn't work. And he created these things called tools, you know, which I have to say at 56, read the book and I really, really found it useful and I found it enjoyable. But one of the things he talks about is the idea of, and it's again, it's a Christian notion, but it's also, it just makes total sense.

2:25:54If you hold on to resentment for people, you're turning you back on your future. You know, you're, you're, you're, you're fighting with them. You're still fighting with them in one way or another. That's a weird thing to hold on to. And I think that it's really important to, however you can do it to move on from that. But if you move on from that, like wishing for their destruction and stuff, I don't think that works as well. I think better is to kind of just realize, hey, whatever you're, whatever you're going through, I forgive you, I forgive you, I forgive whatever it is and I'm going to move on from there.

2:26:25And actually actively do that. And you can do that through meditation. You know, he's got these, these things where you do that. And there's a meditative way to do it. But I think that's pretty powerful. I think it's very helpful because it allows you to move on from the things that are holding your back. It's also practical. It's practical. You only have so much energy. You have so much time and so much concentration. You had to do that. Yeah. You tell me your biggest, your biggest accomplishment was peace of mind. I always think about it. Yes. That's a big thing. You got to learn how, well, the way I always talk about it is that I think of my mind as bandwidth.

2:26:56Like, I have 100 units of bandwidth. And anytime I'm spending time on something that's nonsense or not constructive or not beneficial, it's stealing from the amount of bandwidth that I would have to writing a new bit or concentrating on something I love to do or being with my family or friends. Like, anytime you've got some stuff stealing from you, you got to figure out a way to push that out. Like, you don't need it. You do not need to be dwelling on some, did you read a book about that or did you just come get it out? You did? Yeah, figured it out. I just, I figured out, I always figure out like what makes me feel bad?

2:27:31Like, what is it about like what I've said or what someone said to me or what I've done or what someone's done to me? Like, what makes me feel bad? And then how much of that could have been preventable? How much of that is, how much of it can I mitigate? How much of it is necessary? And when you think about like disputes with people in particular or some people just hold grudges and disputes forever, it's just the either you're stealing from yourself. You're stealing from your time. And fuck that so important though. It's such an important thing to understand. Yeah, the best revenge is to live your life well.

2:28:05It's to accomplish it. Yeah, just live your life well. Yeah. And then let that poor person who keeps dwelling, let him hold on to that. Yeah, and also nobody gives a fuck about the universe is going to treat you unfairly. Okay, I'm sorry, it's just the way it is. You can dwell on that way about it where you can get to work. Yeah, it's good to work. And you can do amazing things with your life if you can just figure out what to concentrate on. The people that fuck their life up, they waste so much time concentrating on bullshit. And you just don't have time for things that you really love if you do that.

2:28:39I know. And that's just a cold hard, pragmatic approach to thought management. And I had to figure that out on my own. I figured that out. But it's just uniquely me. I would think about like one of the ones that was like early on that I realized was jealousy that I would have jealousy over if a comic did really well or if their career was doing that was your competitive nature. Yes. And I realized that I remember that when I was like 21 years old when I was at an open mic night. I was hoping that someone bombed and I remember thinking, wow, what a weak thought. Yeah. Like what are you doing? Seeing someone die.

2:29:17But it was like I didn't have a framework in a structure like I did with martial arts. So it was like applying like competitive drive to an artistic endeavor where actually the people that are really good are supremely beneficial. They're not bad for you. They're really good for you. They're inspiring. They're inspiring. And it's also there's there's there's a camaraderie to it. That's beautiful. And you learn how to do it from both observing and practicing. And then the level that you're around makes you raise your own level up. Like you want to notice. You got got to get to work 100%. And then I realized.

2:29:55So I realized that and I got past that. And then but I realized like, oh, like these are like these kind of weaknesses that are just inherent to human characters. It's inherent to human desires and ego and your thoughts about yourself and what you deserve versus what you're getting. And you know, there's a especially with young people. There's this like frantic rush for success. And you think that somehow or another if someone else does well, it takes away from you because you're not winning. You know, they're winning. You know, like, God damn it. I fucking hate that dude. You know, so there's like, there's a thing that people can get trapped doing.

2:30:30And they can do that with all sorts of aspects of their life. It's just a waste of energy. What's funny is that you have to keep reminding yourself of that. Because you can fall right back into that. It's not that you don't master anything. Like, it's like, I finally, I'm finally here and I have no demons to fight and I have no habits to overcome anymore. I have arrived my job. That's a serial killer. Yeah, that's a serial killer. That shit doesn't exist. That's like, you know, it's funny. I've also been thinking about this too is the idea that you better be careful when you do hit the top of the mountain because that's when the devil comes sorry to get biblical on you again.

2:31:07I'm getting fucking biblical, but that's when the devil starts whispering in your ear. What is it? Well, I'll tell you what he says. He goes like this. He goes, you know what? You're not just God's favorite. You might be God. And you know what? Go ahead and slap Chris rock. I know it's the Oscars, but you can get away with it. You know what? Where I'll sock over your face and say you love Hitler. You can do it because you're a special. And we see it where everybody can fall when you're at the top of that pinnacle. You can, you can, man, you can start to say, you know what? The laws of the universe don't apply to me and I'm going to push it.

2:31:40And that's when the gods go, huh? Look at this motherfucker. He thinks he's one of us. He thinks he's one of us. He forgot he's human. And that apparently, I don't know if this is true, but Denzel Washington whispered in Will Smith's ear. I like Will Smith, you know, but he whispered in Will Smith's ear. He said the devil comes to us at our highest moment, you know, and Mike Tyson said that too. You ever see Mike Tyson talking to Francis and Ghana? Mike Tyson said, you're, you're special, man, watching you knock people out. You know what that means? It means you want to God's favorites. And Francis went, wow, and he goes, here's the bad news.

2:32:16He won the devil's favorites too. And you got to leave with the guy you came with because he's looking to take you home too. And it's like damn Mike, drop and fucking knowledge. Right. You know, he's training Francis and Ghana for the Tyson Fury fight. That's crazy. Is he? Yeah. That old school, that custom model, that old school. I mean, I don't know how much he's going to change his style because they're fighting in October. You know, it's August now. Yeah, he's got Mike, I mean, Tyson Fury's got a plethora of knowledge there. He's the best ever. Yes. As far as heavyweight. But you know what?

2:32:52It's hard to imagine other than Mike Tyson in his prime. Anybody beating that guy. Yeah, Tyson Fury's so good. He's so good. He's mad at me. He's mad at me because I said John Jones would fuck him up, but in MMA fight, he would. That's not what he mean. Yeah, but it's just the way I said it. I dragged him into this, who's the baddest man on the planet thing, which I didn't mean to do. I love the guy. Yeah, but he's probably been talking a little loose. He's being dramatic. Which I think we probably had a couple of cocktails. I was talking a little loose. He got very mad at me. He did. The real guy.

2:33:23Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He did. He texts you or not. No, no, no, no. I just talked shit about me and made a video. I love the guy. I really do. It's nothing. Not a love. The difference. Look, if he learned MMA, look, that guy's a warrior. If someone taught him when he was young, how to wrestle and jiu -jitsu with leg kicks, he would fuck everybody up as an MMA fighter as well. Sure. Because that's who he is. Yeah, but, but, but the rest of the wrestling is, it's just, you know, you're not defending against an ankle lock unless you've seen it and drilled it a lot of times. It's not just that.

2:33:49You're not defending against John Jones. A rear naked choke. Especially if there's nowhere to go. Take down your, I said trapped in a room. Yeah, but that's not, that's not it's something. He thought it was a different sport because he's a fucking warrior. But it's a different sport. That a guy is a better man than him. That's what it is. It challenged. I could have said it in a much more diplomatic way. Okay. I should have said. So you're, you mean you were too honest? A little bit. A little talking shit. That's what it was. It was talking shit. But I do love the guy. And I do think that the thing about Francis and Gano in Tyson Fury is, I do not imagine a world where Francis and Gano can outbox Tyson Fury.

2:34:27I do not think that that will ever take place. Not way. Tyson Fury is a master. His footwork, his jab, his understanding of what to do. You ever see that fight with auto wild where he's on the ropes? Yeah. Just bob and weave and slip and punches. He can see what you're doing. He's going to put Francis and Gano. So one of the great things about watching Bud Crawford with Errol Spence is, oh my goodness. Bud Crawford was, was able to put his feet in a place where Errol Spence had to keep adjusting. That's why it looked as great as Errol Spence looked. You'll never see him look as off balance as he did against the genius like Bud Crawford.

2:35:02It's more where he's placing his feet, those little details, those micro adjustments. He's never out of place. And he's accuracy. But again, because in tight like that, where he's punching from. Yes. It's where he's punching from. Perfect position. Yes. Perfect position. That can't be, that has to be, you don't learn that in four months. No. No. Those are, those are details that are that are, if you're tutored right and you have the kind of brain that someone like Hopkins or Bud Crawford has, yeah. That's for you. But what I will say though, is Francis and Gano hits like a freight train. Correct.

2:35:40He hits like a freight train. But Dylan light does too. And so does, I don't think those guys hit his hard Francis. I mean, I don't know, but Francis is a natural 265. He has to cut down to make 265. He hits so fucking hard. The question is, will he be able to connect on the greatest heavyweight ever? Also, also, when is he going to get tired? Yeah, will he get tired? Will he be inefficient like with Connor and Floyd Mayweather, Floyd Mayweather, so efficient and so, so smooth and composed, always relaxed. And he in box like that for 30 rounds. They also roll shots. You know, he can just kind of move.

2:36:15He's much. Look at this with a, a lot of will watch us watch us. Watch this movement. Look, look, he knows what's going on. He just keeps his and the length and distance that fucking guy. Look at him. His jab is so good. Everything he does is incredible. Yeah. And you know, there was this crazy controversy after the Dianne wilder fight where they were claiming that he didn't have his gloves on correctly. And then his knuckles were actually over the padding. Stop. But that's just because he's so loose. When he throws his hands out sometimes he mixes up between showing you the jab and just popping you and then driving with the power shot.

2:36:51He just figures out, but he also figures out all your patterns. You know, the other thing about being a boxer at someone like Gano's level, rather novice and someone like Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury has patterns. He's got, he can see what you're going to do. He, but for instance, Gano's going to come to him with a game plan. That game plan, with all due respect in for someone like Tyson Fury is rudimentary. They're going to figure out, I see what you're doing. Bob, Bob, it's like with Durran, I can't remember the boxer, but he came back to his corner and goes, he's reading my mind. No, Durran just understands those patterns so well that he was beating you to the punch.

2:37:26That's what was happening. It's the same idea. Once a fighter does that, uh, and Manny Pacquiao did that to the great Miguel Cotto. He did it by the third round. He figured him out and you could see, uh, what's his name? Freddie Roach screaming, you know, knock him out. And then Freddie at the, after that fight said, I talked to him actually, he said he didn't want to knock him out. Didn't want to hurt him, but he could. Wow. That's how good. So nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? Manny Pacquiao. It's so nice. Didn't want to knock. You know, that's true though, man. When, when a fighter figures your game out that quickly, we'll see you later.

2:37:58He downloaded every Saturday. Really? He really didn't want to knock him out. That's what Freddie Roach said. Wow. That's crazy. Because he was like, get him out of here. And he's like, I don't know. I don't want to be mean. That's crazy. You could see it. You could see, he broke his nose and it was just crazy. But Manny's talking about fighting again, like a real fight. Well, guys like Manny and guys like, nobody talks enough about Bernard Hopkins and how what he was able to do up through, up in the age of 50. Yeah. I was talking to Mazvidol about this. Like, you're talking about a guy in a division where speed and power make a big difference.

2:38:31And he was at 50. He was still fighting at a level that maybe two other championship. Crazy. Yeah. And that's because of his his fight IQ. It's fight IQ and his discipline. You got never got on a shave. Never ate bad. Never. Pushups between friends. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he was incredible. Yeah. And he's just one of the all -timers and just love what a guy to emulate. You see his style. You know, like when you beat Tito Trinidad, nobody gave him a chance. He went over to Puerto Rico and threw the Puerto Rican flag on the ground. They tried to kill him. Yeah. Oh, he hyped that fight up in a big way.

2:39:05And he got Tito Trinidad very emotional. And then he just boxed his face off. He'll get you. He'll get in your kitchen, man. He'll find you'll find you'll find you'll always have a window open in your house. And he'll climb into that fucking window. Yeah. And good luck. Such a good job. Apparently with Kelly Pavlik, who was a killer, he whispered in his ear. He said, don't let this ruin you. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I remember that fight. He was in his 40s. And Kelly Pavlik was like, was that Kelly? Killer. Killer. Because after he knocked out your main tail. Right. And your main tail was a monster. Kelly Pavlik was a killer.

2:39:38Yeah. Killer. But just ran into a genius. You just ran into a genius. That's okay. Yeah. Genius boxers to me. It's the most exciting thing to watch. So he knew what you got like Terence Crawford or the guy's going to fight next, Boots Ennis. I don't know much about that. Oh my god. He's so good. Is he fighting him at 54? I think they're talking about doing a rematch with Earl Spence at 54. Yeah. Well. But you know, that's a hard sell. Yeah it is. The only thought would be that Earl Spence depleted himself so much getting to 154 that he couldn't fight to the best of his abilities. But just looks like Terence Crawford's on another level.

2:40:15He is. I mean, it's undeniable that boxers do get weakened when they lose a lot of weight. It's undeniable. But he had been world champion at 47. Yeah. I don't think that was an issue of weakness. I think that was an issue of genius. Yeah. Genius. You just, you just, you sometimes you are out about you're beaten by some, I think Bud Crawford is greatness. He's, he's greatness. It's not just good. He's greatness. And greatness is a different X factor. What did you think of Loma Chanko Devon Haney fight? I didn't see enough of it. I saw highlights. And I heard that Loma Chanko got the best of them, but I don't know.

2:40:50I don't, I don't, it looked to me like he won. Yeah. I, I've watched it twice now. It's like, I could kind of see a world where it's close. Yeah. It's close. And the unfortunate aspect of the fact that a lot of people don't agree with the decision is that it, it kind of tarnishes an amazing fight. Because the fight was amazing. Both Devon Haney, his performance and Loma Chanko's performance. It was an incredible fight between two guys and their fucking prime. It was such a good fight. Is Loma in his prime though? Still is, man. The way he fought against Devon Haney, he looked fucking fantastic.

2:41:23I think he's 36 now. You know how many fights he's had? Those guys who come up to that Russian system. I think like triple G had 350 fights. I think as the amateur, something crazy. Like are you out of your fucking mind saying it is. Yeah. I mean, saying Loma Chanko's got a wild story too because his dad made him stop boxing for two years to learn Russian Ukrainian dance. Yeah. And Ukrainian dance was like the foundation for his footwork. Isn't he who six coaches well? Yes. Now that's a guy. If you watch that Anthony Joshua fight, I mean, he's just a, I mean, that's so beautiful to watch. I know.

2:42:03Setting traps and like I watch some guy break down the stuff that I didn't say that I didn't know as I just somebody who doesn't understand. How about this year volume of strikes that he throws as a heavy guy. Incredible. Because he's a natural cruiser way too. It's not like he's a big man. No, he's like 220. I think it's so weird. Yeah, he's not a big heavyweight at all. But you got to realize also that Mike Tyson in his prime was also about 220. Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. He's big enough to hurt you. Oosik was so slick. I know. And Anthony Joshua is such a fucking big man. We're talking about it super athlete.

2:42:36And he almost took Anthony Joshua out in the first fight. Yeah. Especially like towards the end of the fight. Like he was battering Joshua. Just just everything's a plan though he's doing. Yeah, he's so slick man. He rolls with stuff. And he wears you out. And then he starts getting a hairstyle on that mustache. He's such a unique character. He is. He's very, very eccentric. Didn't he? Wasn't he a two -time Olympian? I believe so. Yeah, I think he won. Right? Looked that up, Jamie. I think he was a... It's great. Phenomenal boxer though. And interesting, right? So he's interesting. I was really interested in seeing him in Tyson Fury.

2:43:13I was too. That's an amazing story. I don't know why. I wonder if his camp just doesn't want that. I wonder if his camp is like... Who's camp? Tyson Fury's camp is like... Oh no. I think they want the most money possible. And the Francis and Gano fight. They're doing it in... I think they're doing the UAE. I think they're doing it. I don't know where they're. Maybe they're doing it in Dubai. He won a gold medal there. Yeah. I thought it was twice, but I think it was just one. Outporting Artur Bitterbeef. And Bitterbeef is the only fighter right now that's a champion that has a 100 % knockout rate.

2:43:45He's undefeated. I think he's 19 -0 with 19 knockouts. He is a fucking monster. And that was the guy that they were trying to set Canelo up with. Because when Canelo fought Bivol, one of the other names that was on the table was Bitterbeef. Oh, he's a destroyer. Have you seen this guy fight? Yeah, Bivol? I saw a fight. No, I've never seen this guy. Bitterbeef is one of the most impressive guys in boxing. Is that right? Yes. What weights he fight at? He's a light heavyweight. He's a light heavyweight champion. He's the guy who knocked out Joe Smith Jr. the guy who knocked out Bernard Hopkins. Oh boy.

2:44:15That's a lot to deal with for good. Go to Bitterbeef's Highlights. That's a bigger man than Canelo. He's a fucking monster dude. He's not just big. He's a fucking destroyer. And he's not like an elusive guy, like an oocyc. He's a champion. He's just a fucking warrior too. Just comes at you with insane technique, blood and guts. Just smashing people. But Canelo knockouts, dude. Canelo wants to try that? Joe Smith Jr. No, I don't believe so. I don't believe he wants any of this. I think he wants another be ball fight. But this is the most terrifying match up in a light heavyweight. He's a fucking animal, dude.

2:44:51And he looks like an animal with that fucking beard. He's, he's, look, there's a reason they're away classes. Watch some of these chaos, man. This fucking guy is terrifying. And a 100 % knockout ratio. Everybody he fights and every fight is the same way. Seek and destroy. Come straight at you. Hands up high and break you down. Yeah. And he hits like a fucking Mac truck. Yeah, no thanks. I mean, he's a fucking tank, dude. Yeah, look at that. And he puts together these beautiful combination. Look how tight that left hook was. Everything's tight. It's these beautiful combinations, but it just constant pressure.

2:45:31Yeah, no thanks. I go guy breaks people down. Just a beast. And this was the Anthony Yard fight. Like 12 ounce closer. And Yard's a monster. Oh, dude, he's fucking people up. He's so interesting to watch too. Because it's just how long can the person outlast this attack? Oh, Christ. I mean, how long can the person handle this? I don't think that's the hard. I think it just gives in. Oh, cover it. He hit him the body and came right to the face. Yeah, that was an Anthony Yard. But this is, I mean, there's, there's a whole series of his fights like this. And they're all the same way. He just puts it on guys until they break.

2:46:08Yeah, no thanks. He's incredible. Yeah. Who's who would be a competitive fighter? Be a ball. Be a ball in him would be a great. He'd have a taste like a bigger canela. Like it's very similar style to me. Like really, really similar like two canelo when they thought I was like, that's a bigger canela. Big and long. Oh, yeah. A real light heavyweight. Fun hell's a perfect ever of being 154. He's a real 175 pound guy. I mean, like props to canelo for wanting to challenge himself like that. Kind of wild. He's kind of wild that he goes up and knocks out Kovalev. That that's mean. And Kovalev was huge.

2:46:45Huge. Yeah. And when you go, I mean, Kovalev was like later in his career then. But if you go back and watch his fight, he's first fight. Oh my god. With Andre Ward and all the other guys that he knocked down make Kovalev when he was the crusher. He's a beast. Andre, where's another guy who could just download what you were doing? Did it with Kovalev twice. And by the way, fought most of his career with one arm. What do you mean? He had a fucked up shoulder most of his career. Is that true? Yeah, he had an operation before the second Kovalev fight. Wow. He beat all those guys. All the the the the the the the mid -aweight tournament that he went through the call for watch, all those guys.

2:47:15He beat all those guys with one shoulder. You know, it came out of that camp. You know, boxed in in Oakland with with in Andre Ward's camp for a long time was the Diaz brothers. Really? Oh, that's right. They did a loss of arm with them. Yeah. What do you think about that Jake Paul thing? Well, that's why I was bringing it up. I we're going to have that too. So we're going to do fight companion. Well, the UFC, we're going to pause that when it starts. I'm going to be on stage. Yeah, you're not going to be there for that. I know, but when are you going to start it? Because I'll be whenever the fight starts.

2:47:45Which time do the fights start? I got two shows 8 p .m. Cap cities. Everybody. Oh, the start eight. The main card starts today. You're going to miss everything. I am right. Yeah. We'll have dinner beforehand. Okay. Well, there. Yeah. So it'll just be spaces. Isn't real. Whether or not I should listen, I do conspiracy social club with Sam Tripoli. And we have sometimes he gets you though. That's what's amazing. What's amazing is when things you don't believe are true. Turn out. I know. Because that's the thing like hanging out with Sam Tripoli enough, you will eventually realize that there are conspiracies.

2:48:20And there's a lot more of them than anybody who wants to admit to. Yep. Sam is a lot of times I find myself texting him going, Sam, you are right. Dammit. Isn't that crazy? I know. Isn't it crazy? I know. He is. We had a whole, we have these not. It's like WWE. I'm not sure. We just, you know, well, he goes so deep into those goddamn things. He knows so many of them. And he starts bringing them up and you're like, what? But then we get into that nuclear bombs aren't real. Yeah. How is that one catching? How is that? How is it? Does anybody see that one? They dropped in the ocean where you literally see the fucking this several mile high plume of water that come to, I mean, looking.

2:49:00Probably wasn't several. Usually the people that are saying there are no nuclear, but with all due respect are saying there are no nuclear weapons. They usually don't have an advanced degree in nuclear physics, physics. I know they've studied some nuclear physics, but they don't have an advanced degree. That's all I'm trying to say, you know, it's like Jeff died. That's a great joke. He's like, why does everybody talk about cryptocurrency? Why does everybody try to sell me on cryptocurrency? I have three roommates in their 30s. Fucking great joke. It's like, amen. So, yeah, some of this stuff is, I always, there's that great quote.

2:49:32He knows enough. This applies to me. It applies to all of us. We have to be careful. You know enough to think you're right, not enough to know you're wrong. That's an important thing, especially as you're inundated with all this information all the time. Find that nuclear bomb detonated in the ocean around the battleships. Because I remember they did this. They had an idea of how big the explosion was going to be. So they positioned these ships. So, like, how far can a ship be to where the bomb goes off? They were way off. Really? Off -Jazus. Yeah, wait till you see what this looks like. Did you see that?

2:50:05You've never seen this before? No. Did you see in Lebanon, remember that explosion? Yes. Okay, you see. I think it was the, it was a jet ski and he had, he was video - So watch this. Oh my god. Holy shit. The way to it pans out and you see how high it goes. Are you, they detonated it underwater? Yeah. When how many fish that killed? Everyone. All the fish. Are you kidding? They probably killed fish for a mile around 100%. That's not the best view of it. There's a view of it from the shore. There's another one. That's all water. What is that? That's crazy. That's water. Yeah, the nuclear bomb shot the water like I don't know how high in the ocean.

2:50:45Oh my god. There's another one that, yeah, that's the one. This is this one's wild. I love this one. Watch this one. Because they detonate. So they detonate this one. Look at this. Oh my god. Watch how high it goes. It just keeps going. Oh my god. Oh yeah. Look at this. Look at this dude. How insane is that? Imagine seeing that. Oh my god. Look how high that fucking cloud is. That's so insane. And there's, there's different angles of it where it's like I was zoomed back angle where you can see the whole thing. I've never seen that man. Fucking incredible. Now that's an atomic bomb, not a thermonuclear bomb.

2:51:29Exactly. So there's a difference. Yeah, they're more powerful. Yes. That is correct. So like the bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the ones that they have now are so many times more powerful. I told you I have dinner, Eric Weinstein and he comes in and he's all down. I'm like, what's that? He goes, oh, I don't, I think we have 30 years left. I'm like, here we go. He's very dramatic and he's like, we're going to miniaturize thermonuclear weapons and with CRISPR Cas9, we're going to be able to take viruses and manipulate them. And I was like, you have a point there. You have a point.

2:51:58Get to work. Hey, you get a lab and get to work. So that lab they found the Chinese operated lab that was in Los Angeles or in the LA area. No. Yeah, they found some lab with mice that were in horrible conditions that there was something about them being infected with COVID -19 or they had, see what they're articles. But it was like, like a bio research lab that was in some abandoned warehouse somewhere. So California officials closed down bootleg Chinese lab bringing with infectious agents such as COVID and HIV. In addition to pathogens, investigators found hundreds of chemicals, a thousand mice, many of them dead and bootleg COVID and pregnancy tests apparently developed on site.

2:52:42Well, that's not good, man. So they were experimenting with rats and mice to develop COVID tests. Oh, they're fucking warehouse somewhere with HIV. Oh, so they were trying to come up with tests. Who knows what they were doing? Who fucking knows? But the rats, or the mice rather most of them were dead already. Did you see where they put in the chat GBT, come up with chemical weapons and it came up with 40 ,000 different variants of a chemical weapon? Do you see this? Yeah. That's not good. No. There's a lot to worry about. Yeah, Eric Weinstein scares a shit out of me with all that. We have 30 years left.

2:53:14Talk. What do you think of this UFO shit? I don't think I need it's true. I feel like I'm being lied to me too. And here's the thing. I wonder if that's because disclosure, I imagine in my head that it would be this grand moment and the clouds would part and we would figure out that we're not alone in the universe. And maybe this reality of what they're disclosing that they have recovered alien spacecrafts that they have biological creatures from another planet that they have frozen or from another dimension. They are in possession of both craft and biologics. They know the aliens are real. Maybe it's just that is so strange and so alien that my mind is not registering it as a possibility.

2:53:58Even though it can be a possibility, if you just just look at the stars in the sky and look at what we know about biology on Earth, it's totally possible that this in this infinite universe has occurred other places and gotten to a much more advanced stage. I love that they were able to cross galaxies and then they couldn't land. No, that's not the thing. It's like the thing is, even if you have the most advanced spaceships, like think about cars. There are so much more advanced than they've ever been before. Thousands of people still die over here in car accidents. If you have electrical storms and the very famous case in Virginia, Brazil, which James Fox did this documentary called The Moment of Contact, it's amazing.

2:54:44It's about this town in 1996 in Brazil that experienced just universal sightings. Everyone in the town saw these flying saucers and saw that there was this giant lightning storm and something appeared to have crashed. And these people went to the side of this crash site and they said there was biological entities. One of them was badly injured. This guy carried it. This police officer carried it. He put it in the back of a car. They took it to a hospital. They kicked them out. They took it to another hospital. The guy who carried it developed a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure.

2:55:18And he was dead within two weeks. They didn't know what it was. This documentation of them bringing this thing to these different hospitals. There's documentation of this guy dying of this horrible bacterial infection. There's all these eyewitnesses. The town, when you enter into the town, has an actual statue of this fucking UFO that is in the center, like as you're entering into the town, like they're famous for this incident. They said the US Air Force sent a plane down there to recover the wreckage and return it back to America. This guy, David Grush, who's the whistleblower, has exposed that they supposedly have a retrieval program for crashed UFOs.

2:55:58And then it's happened multiple times over the course of human history. This was where the bubble is talking about in 1989. Why keep it a secret? Like I don't understand. Well, I think they're not, they don't want to anymore. I think there's part of it that it's like it's not beneficial to keep it a secret. And that too many people who feel like this is an important thing that the world should be aware of and that maybe this could actually be a uniting moment for us. If we realize that space daddy is really like watching everything we do. And like there are something that's here, whether it's interdimensional, whether it's from another planet.

2:56:31That would be very unifying. Very unifying. But I don't believe it. But I appreciate it. What do you think is going on then? Why do you think they're having these? I think it's impossible to keep a secret, especially a secret of that magnitude. There's no way they're not keeping it. That's one of the things they have since the 30s accord in these whistleblowers. But have they? Because look, Bob Lazar talked about this very program exactly in 1989. Exactly. Was he was he talking about a drone program? And do we have technologies that we are not aware of that can do things that are make no sense?

2:57:06It's kind of like the Manhattan Project, right? We might have we might have some technological breakthroughs that we are not sharing with other countries. And that may be the case. So the US military may have game -changing technologies. Oh, yeah. That's certainly possible. A lot of people say that's plausible to me. A lot of people think that's what that TickTack incident is. Off the coast of San Diego in 2004. It's a famous one where Commander David Fraver they have multiple instrumentation, the documentation of like how where this thing was. And it was at 50 ,000 plus feet above sea level. And it went down to 50 in less than a second.

2:57:45It took off at insane rates. It's crazy. They have multiple pilots. 2004? Yes. Multiple multiple jets that more than one jet that had visual contact with this thing. They have video of this thing taking off. They estimated that at the speed that it took off there was some sort of like analysis of what it would do to a biological entity. And like it would turn you into jelly. It would just the amount of force required to go that fast that quick. It was something like I don't I forget what the GeForce was, but it was something insane. Some some insane number of GeForce that it was taking off that fast like there's no way a biological entity would survive.

2:58:20But the question is like why would we assume that it's a biological entity? It doesn't have any windows. This is this round thing that looks like a tick -tack. If there is some sort of advanced propulsion system, some some revolutionary way of moving through space and time that the US government has developed, you know, in some black ops program, that seems very likely impossible. That seems more likely than aliens visiting us. But there's more than one incident. And there's a lot of these things. And the possibility of alien life in the universe, although we've never experienced it, seems rational.

2:58:54It seems very rational. And if you were going to study an emerging civilization that is both primitive and warlike and yet insanely technologically advanced to the point where they have nuclear weapons, they could transmit video through the sky, they have propaganda, they have tracking of their citizens like that's us. That's us right now. And while we are these territorial primal beings with fucking nuclear weapons, this would be a good time to start exposing yourself and to stop this nonsense. And look, the reason why we named the Rooms of our club Fatman and Little Boy is because in UFO lore, that's when they started showing up.

2:59:36After the detonation of the atomic bombs in Japan, that's when the UFO sightings ramped up. And they ramped it mostly in the US, yes. So that's interesting because the US was the one with the nuclear power. And we were the one who was doing a lot of fucking testing. Yeah. And also we have all these military bases. Who the fuck has more military bases than us? No one. Who has more nuclear weapons pointed at other people than us? We have them all over the place. And there's all these multiple sightings and I witness accounts of like very credible people who say these things have hovered over military bases.

3:00:10It'd be pretty cool if these aliens were benevolent overlords. And they were like, hey, my children. Yeah. Or maybe even so advanced intellectually that the concept of an overlord is preposterous. And they're just biological management. They're just, there's just the gardeners, tending to make sure the weeds don't get out of hand and just like let this process continue to play itself out. Because this process of technological innovation is it's the everything that humans do. Yeah. It's what we do at the pinnacle of our creation as we make better technology. Well, I always wonder about fractals and whether or not, like this idea of this being a simulation, this being, you know, like we are, we are kind of replicating.

3:00:56We are creating machines and doing our best to create them in our own image. Right. Yes. And that's interesting. You know, that's because the mythologies that we subscribe to are the idea that this God that we pray to made us in his image. And we're doing the same thing now with robots and computers. And that's an interesting thing that we see, it's seem to have this sort of paradigm. This, this, this idea that that that's the scaffolding for the way we think, right? And to what end? And why are we doing that? Maybe it's a creation of an in -hop form, but it hasn't already happened. Are we, are we the result of that, that impulse that happened way longer, a long time ago?

3:01:41I think we are the shit throwing chimps that are going to become the nuclear physicists. That's what I mean. We are the shit throwing chimps from 2001 to become Oppenheimer. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think this thing that we become is integrated with technology. It's probably some sort of a hybrid. It's some sort of a cyborg. That's wild. Because I think we're already like on the verge of merging, you know, all this talk of like neural ink and all these various things. We watched this video the other day of this guy who is googling questions and getting answers in his head with his headpiece on him.

3:02:12Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy. Incredible. Right. So how long before that is like that's pong. I don't know. But that's what. And then you have the Unreal 4 engine in 2023 that looks like a movie. No. How long before that technology gets to the point where it's just supremely advanced. And we literally are like God. But my question really is also the idea that that's engineering. Right. That's a tool. It's innovation. But there's engineering. So there are two aspects to it. One is getting information faster and stuff, which doesn't get you close to the truth, but it gets you information faster.

3:02:47There are endless facts. But more importantly, I always wonder like why we are given this. I really believe that human potential is pretty much infinite. Whatever you can imagine and beyond we can do and we are doing. We we seem to be doing this. Like think about crazy that is I can wear a headset and I can do things with my mind and look up the answer. Yeah. That's insane. That's magic. It's crazy. And magic. But there's a way to measure that and quantify that and replicate that. So it's not magic. I can do it and I can tell you exactly how I get there, which is even crazier. So what is that what is that leading us to?

3:03:25It is nudging us closer. It's like the I think it's very significant that we're getting a better understanding of what it's like to be someone else. Yeah. We are. It's really hard to say that a young or monomot Indian or whoever it might be is thinks about things differently than I do when I know so much about how all these human beings like someone in Iran, someone in Jordan, laughs and cries and bleeds at the same thing I do.

3:03:59Being prejudice based on what that person looks like over there is becoming harder and harder to justify where it was before we knew about that. We were like, well, those people over there are quote unquote savages or they're this and the other thing. And I do think that we are getting a better understanding of what it's like to be each other and being nudged in the same direction. I'm not saying we don't. Yeah. I think that's true too. But why? And it's interesting to think about where that's where that's leading us to what to what understanding to what understanding. And then when we have that understanding, what are we going to do about that?

3:04:29Right. And are we going to pull it together? And are the aliens here to make sure that we don't fuck it up? Yeah. Yeah. That's the beautiful idea. The terrible idea is that it's all us. And then it's all the big ruse and it's all just drones that we're doing because we don't want China and Russia know about it. But we have insane propulsion systems that operate on gravity and yeah. I think it is. But it seems it seems like both. It seems like us and it also seems like there's some shit that we just don't understand. And I don't know if those people are telling the truth because if the people that are telling the truth that there's biological entities and this is what Jackie Gleason said that Nixon told him and Nixon took him on it.

3:05:14They were drinking. You know that famous story now? Who knows if it's true? It's a legend. But the legend is that Jackie Gleason and Nixon were drinking and that Nixon said you want to see some fucking aliens and they get on Air Force 1 and they fly to some Air Force base and they go to a place where they have a crashed UFO and they have biological beings that are in freezers and Jackie Gleason sees this and Jackie Gleason after that has a house built in upstate New York that looks like a UFO. He became obsessed with UFOs after that. It was actually for sale at one point in time. Yeah. So he has this house that he had shaped like a UFO.

3:05:53And this is like who knows if this is a true story. Yeah. Because it's like it was kind of sort of disputed as ex -wife told the story or something like that. I forget. I think that kind of thing is actually impossible to keep secret. No, I don't think so. Really? No, I don't think so. You think generational generations of government bureaucrats can keep something a secret? Sure. They tell the people the very highest level know about it. It's very few people. It's all very compartmentalized. They monitor everyone's phone calls, everyone's emails, everything everyone does at a top -seeker clearance level.

3:06:26No way. I don't think so. Totally impossible. Definitely not right. I think it's impossible. Listen man, they can keep secrets. When people at high levels of military can keep secrets. Yeah, but they're all rotating out. They're retiring. They're dying. Yeah, they probably want to fucking Hillary Clinton and a lot of those dudes. Hey listen, dude, this is not the cause of my - This is not conspiracy social claims. This is the road in the returns. I am not willing to relinquish the idea that they can keep that secret. Well, that's because it's fun to believe it. Yeah, but it's not just a fun to believe in.

3:06:55It is possible. It's a physically possible thing to do, especially if you have the right people and they're indoctrinated in the right way with top -seeker clans. By the way, it's not like these people don't tell their friends. And it's not like there's a bunch of stories floating around because there are. There's a shitload of stories. That's not saying, but why would you - I would never keep that secret. I'd be like, hey, you got a hark and aliens. Here's the thing. When you have senators and congressmen who find out about this and they find out that military contractors, the ones who have access to this stuff, because the back engineering program has to involve someone has the capability of recreating this.

3:07:28So who would that be? That would be the people that make chets. If you got someone who's making you a fucking stealth bomber and you have a crashed UFO, those are the people that you want discussing like what kind of things you've recovered from a fucking alien crash and can this be replicated? No, here's a problem with your whole thing. Don't you know me, motherfucker? Because you don't know. You might be wrong. No, no, no, no, don't say you're wrong because you don't know the problem with your theory. I'm sorry, and I love that you want to believe in this and so on, but here's the problem. Okay, there's no law.

3:07:57There's no written law that says I'm not allowed to talk about aliens. And I mean at the level, the top levels of clearance, like the most secret level, there is no world where if I'm a government official and I take a bunch of pictures and I come before Congress and I go, here's my evidence. I'm blowing the whistle. There are real aliens. You don't think they would go after you for a, I'd never go to jail. Violating your top secret clearance. No, because it's not violating my top secret clearance. It would be. No, I don't think you're wrong. I'd never go to jail for that because they, they, I'd be like, you're going to put me in jail for exposing what everybody wants to know.

3:08:30The whole world would be like, holy shit. You guys get this. Assuming that you have access to that material to extract enough people from wherever the put maybe, maybe not. Maybe those are the kind of people that wouldn't do that, Brian. Listen, you fucking communist. I don't like the way you think. I'm blowing, I'm, I'm shredding your, you have hope. No, you're not. Listen, you think you are, but you're just using these establishments. You're allowed to talk about UFOs and you never get trouble. You sound like your dad. Come on, man. First time in the air. So there'll be me up. Your CIA is to.

3:09:00Right now. And you're in here, spread in propaganda to the faithful listeners. Listen, listen, there are no aliens. And if there are, we'd know about it because it's not like you're going to come back on dress like a clown. Agreed. Agreed. That's my bets. I'm making with everybody now. I'll dress up like a clown. I'll do it. Okay. I'll be ready. You're going to come open for me and caps it is tonight. I can't. I have two shows of my own. You there, but I'm excited to see your shows. You're there this weekend. I'm going to stay Friday. Saturday. Okay. Friday. And then I'm in, I'm in a LOL comedy club in San Antonio, August 24 25 26th then Salt Lake City, September one and two.

3:09:43You guys guys. Why guys? The best. The best. There it is. Get cities. LOL comedy club. Why guys in King Center Saturday, September 23rd. Melbourne, Australia. My man's going over the big pond. Melbourne, Florida. Oh, not the same. I saw Melbourne King Center. Melbourne, Florida. That's a quick trip. How are you doing that? Brian Karen. Brian Karen .com for my tickets. All right. I love you brother. I love you too. Thank you for doing this. That's fun. All right. Bye everybody.