#2018 - Post Malone

33:34Yeah, there's a bunch of my friends don't ever want kids. I'm like, dude, I get it, but You're missing something you are you don't have to you don't have to and I do not like that pressure that people put on people Special once they have kids. Well, it's mostly grandparent or like your grandma When are you gonna have a baby? A bunch of people that want you to stop being like Peter Pan. They want you to settle down. Never stop being like Peter Pan Ever that's well, that's I was I don't remember who I was talking to but I was like The goal of life is to be a kid forever for sure. I mean and now with like Everything that we have in place right now.

34:17It's almost impossible It's almost impossible, but that's the goal the goal is to have as much money as you need to never have to worry about it Yes, so so you can actually go and Live life Yes as a fucking kid and just eat fucking chicken nuggets And go run around in the desert and go eat worms and shit. Wow do that. But have fun exactly. Yeah have fun And people when they are serious about something especially like we're talking about people have their eyes on the prize And they're trying to get ahead It's hard for them to disconnect and have fun my wife taught me how to do it I really used to have a hard time with it It's never a hard time with vacations because I always felt like all this missing work like stuff.

35:01I should be right But it's just some mindset that I learned how to like slide into and I learned how to chill at the end of the day is too I'd never used to know how to chill at the end of the day I would just stay ramped up until I was tired wake up and go let's fucking go and it was just it's just not Sustainable. It's I mean it is sustainable. I did it for a long time But I think it's mentally sustainable. Right. I think the mind is the your your mind It's not a good headspace to be in all the time Need to be enjoying this shit. You need to you need to be able to Just fucking it's so timeless, but it's so true Stop and fucking smell the fucking roses.

35:41I mean it's all good man. They certainly do There's so cute to my baby was like we had flowers delivered to the room And she would like hold it up to my nose and like you smell this shit cuz this shit is so cool And I'm like oh, that's so cute. There's a baby knows that you can smell it too. She smells it and she wants you to smell it Yeah, pretty cool. Yep. She got the double brain. I got that Back to the vacation. Sorry. I wanted to say something about that too Have you ever been I don't know how your family is or how your buddies are but have you ever been on a vacation and The people who plan the vacation are super militant about the itinerary.

36:22Oh, and you can't even vacation Do you know what I'm talking about? I do know what you're talking about but fortunately I have an experience one of those It is cursed because it's it I've seen people go through it. You're in this like beautiful place and they're like all right guys So six a .m tomorrow morning you guys are Three o 'clock and you're all drunk and everybody's like all right So you're gonna get up in six right you're gonna be up in six to go fucking do something in the sun And it's the hottest of all time off the three hours of sleep and I'm like yeah puppy there Oh, you don't want to be you don't want to be mean and be like I'm not going and then you also then you get phomo I don't think it's mean I don't think it's mean.

37:08I think it's kind of mean to tell you what to do Especially vacation. Yeah, Greg. Yeah Greg. No, I don't know Greg But maybe it's some cool shit like we're gonna go Marlin fishing. We gotta be up at five a .m We all agree to it and we charted the boat so we gotta get up. Okay, let's go I got a shark and the old dude did you really yeah really yeah, it was super random. Yeah, we went to them all days and we started uh throwing lines out on the on the boat and we caught grouper and all that stuff and um We were using like just little inch pieces of of bait and regular line and I Cast my line out and I started bringing it back And I was like oh, I'm on a rock.

37:58I'm on a rock. But then the rock would like I'm like okay Hey, maybe this isn't a rock and so we sat and fought it for like 25 minutes and it was a nine foot Nurt shark holy shit. Yeah totally unaccident with this much bay and just a regular line. Yeah, Nurt sharks are that's sad because that's a sweet chart. We let look like no Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course, but I was like I was like but she got a fucking hook in her face. Yeah, I know It was it was so random I was like I thought I caught a rock because that's usually all I catch when I write a fish and you know what's It's really weird about fish and it's catching release Catching release fishing is for sharks for any kind of fish.

38:41It's fucking it's kind of weird. Why so because You're just doing it for fun, right sure sure You're not doing it for food sure and you're essentially risking this animal's life sure with a hook sure Deep in its throat and you're hoping it's gonna survive. What if you gild it? You know what have you got deep into the gills with like a rapolo with the big old treble hooks and It's bleeding internally and you know it's like I don't make me feel bad man. No, it's just a weird thing that people do it It wasn't x I'm not even talking about that people specifically. I've done it. I'm not I'm a hypocrite.

39:16I've done it before Will you go catch and release fishing just because it's just toss them back Yeah, like people do that like oh yeah, or you catch something tiny and you're like you throw it back With fly fishing is actually an argument That's not that big of a deal because fly fishermen a lot of them use barbless hooks So um so they could remove it very easily and then maybe the fish can even Like get it free with the jumps in here But when they catch them like a lot of fly fishermen are just catching release and trout I've never been fly fishing but my brother is super into it and he he loves it.

39:47It's very relaxing. He loves it It's it's you need a lot of concentration. It's kind of like archery in that respect It requires all of your concentration as you're casting the line and you got to figure out how to get the perfect amount of whips or rolls over in the fly Presence itself right in front of the water hole and you creep it with your fingers You're doing everything with your hands. You're not reeling in with a reel sure You know everything is done with your hands. You're kind of like even when you're like giving the the fish line Like if it's really pulling you're ready of a tiny Leader you gotta get my little line.

40:19You can do it with touch and feel. It's very like tactile. It's a dance Yeah, it's very much dance. It's the what you know, I love all kinds of fishing But like if you go to like a creek where people are fly fishing and use like a spinner like on a on a on a Like like a like a regular rod and like a spinning rod people will like look at you like you're a fucking idiot sure Like what's wrong with fucking barberry? Yeah, we're out here fly fishes. This is a dance. This is a gentleman's dance with my Perying rod. These dudes are over there listening to fucking AM Republican radio I know I have fly fishing one of the crank ones Hold on wait, what do you say?

41:07Dude, there's still a lot of guys still lifts to this fucking political talk shows on AM talk radio I'd man I don't I haven't turned I haven't even turned on like a radio a radio in a long time a long time Yeah, it's been a long time a long if I had to if I had to use the crank radio I'd I'd hope there was something on there, but I don't know when I was a kid No one ever would have thought there would be a time where radio wasn't like a centerpiece in everyone's life Because when I was a kid like in high school in the 80s It was like what station do you listen to right? You know, I was a bc n guys rock of Boston and you got beat up by the KT at mts Well, there's the a f guys are a little more hardcore those guys are crazy.

41:49Yeah, I know those fuckers are crazy And then there's the kiss fm guys. I love disco. They were into like going out the clubs You know when did kiss fm start? Well, there's been a lot of kiss fms right because I one oh six point one KKK KISS fm. Where's that fort? Yeah, I think there's a kiss fm all over the country. I don't know if they're a filly. I don't know what that is Is that like a fucking chain? Yeah, I just is it franchise This is a whole lot of kiss fms yeah, I think that sounds so good does sound good It sounds so good Kiss FM sounds bad out. But they had the jingle. Like the jingle, I remember it, because I used to fall asleep to the radio and then wake up to kidcratic.

42:30Rest in peace kidcratic, like such a legend. And like he got me through school. He was just funny and amazing. And like, I don't know. It's just, I don't know. There's something magical about that. Yeah. But we lost that. And even watching like succession, because I just got into it. Have you seen it? It's so good. It's so good. The talking actors are insane. They're like become those fucked up people. Insane. Well, you're buying it. Hook line. They're all, the whole cast is insanely good. It's a dance much like fly fishing. Yes. But I mean, talking about legacy media and stuff like that and just how like Logan, Joe Logan, that's what I mean, wants to buy all these legacy media companies, but the kids are like, no, no, no, no, no, that you're so old.

43:25This is not like, yeah, what's hot? But he's still trying to hang onto it. And that's such an interesting thing with like streaming and like spotifying Apple music and stuff. It's just like the radio. And unless you really love the DJ, like, I haven't turned on a radio. Yeah, I don't turn on radios. I don't even know how to work it in any of my cars. I think one of my old muscle cars. My old muscle, one of my old muscle cars has an actual radio. Is that a CD player? No, it doesn't. I do have one car that has a CD player though. I have a BMW. There's a CD player or does it have a compact display?

44:05Might have a compact display. That's a 2005. Was it? CD player to compact this. Oh, I meant, I meant this set. I meant this set. I was thinking this set. Yeah, it's got a CD player. Yeah, it doesn't have a set player for a while. Does it have the combo? You remember that transition? So they had to put both in? Yeah. So you get the CDs and the cassettes? You remember when they used to have a little handle, you could pull them out because people were stealing radios? Blaupunks? They used to have literally, there was a handle. So you'd go to the restaurant, holding on to your radio. Yeah, they would slide out.

44:38That's amazing. Because bro, everybody stole radios. They stole so many radios. It's the outpine. You want the outpine. And people are always selling them too. Like in a box at the fucking supermarket. Like, hey bro, you want some stereos? Well, they'd sell them at the restaurant. Hey man, I can go flip my radio real quick. Or if you can't, instead of doing dishes, if you can't pay, you just like here. Hold on to the radio for a little bit. Where are you? I'll quit that one a while. And what happened to, I come no one uses those steering wheel locks. They don't really work. They don't, I mean, maybe some of them do.

45:16I've seen people break them though. Well, you could break. You ever watch a lock pick lawyer on YouTube? No. I don't know anything about lock picking. I want to learn. It seems like it's just a cool thing to learn playing video games and stuff. I want to lock pick shit, this one. It's very James Bond. It's badass. It's very splinter cell. Yeah, it's cool. If you want a little lock pick tool in your box, it's badass. And but to be able to pull that out is pretty cool. But the lock pick lawyer, he can get into like anything. Yeah, this is dude, it's so cool, man. This is the Lexix RX300. I love this lock.

45:59You know locks. No sir, but as you see here with this toy 48, with the toy 48, man, he'll get in here so quick. Oh my God, you can get it anywhere with this. And that's my favorite lock. This is crazy. Look how he's doing this. Does your favorite lock? Look how he's doing this. This is nuts. So they'll make, they'll do like challenges for him. And he'll just get in there, no problem. It is so, and I never was interested, but this shit is like, it's like ASMR. It is so fun to watch and I'll just watch this all night. This is wild how he's doing this, where he's literally figuring out where the keys locks are and pushing it into place.

46:41So these cards are pretty cool. So they make them for specific locks. And you can just get in there and find. That's crazy. Like all the grid and all the indicators and shit like that. I don't know exactly how it works. Well, listen to me about it. And so that is that a complicated, oh, so that's how it works. Oh, wow. Some explaining a bump lock is in the same kind of thing. You can get in anything with the right key. Just bumping it hard enough. Wow. And they explain how that works. Look at that. Isn't that cool? That is fucking crazy. But you got to want to, who invented the lock? John Locke.

47:21It's a good question. I think I believe his name was John Locke. That's, that's the name. Like what was a lock before a lock? Right? You had, you had, you had like, you had like, what's his name? Trust, I don't know. What would you say? Would you lock something up? What would that even mean? Nothing. I don't know. What was there like before locks, people used to have to put boards inside their house to keep people from opening their doors. Or just like a nice like ritualistic signal on the symbol on the front of their door. Like don't come in here. Yeah, right. Like they would do with that. Like, what's his name?

47:58Krampus. He put this dead goat and like paint the blood on your front door. Like don't come in. That would work. I think that would work for somebody. To this day. No, to this day. If someone comes up and tries to get into your house and you have like painted in blood, like this crazy like ruin. I don't think they're coming in. The last time I went into it. I don't, maybe some. You're like, bro, that's too rude. Maybe you just get the craziest robbers of all time and they're like, he's got some cool shit in there. I'm like, how can you live? Yeah. He doesn't even want to hurt you. He just wants to hang out.

48:31He's like, hey, man. Can you introduce me to Satan? Yeah, exactly. He's in the basement right now.

48:41I can introduce you to Satan, bro. It's no problem. Yeah, come on in, man. He's fine. It's teetime that the catels on, sir. We're going to call him. Never call Satan after 3am. It's bad. That's when he gets an evil. Never call the imposter from among us after 3am. The imposter from among us? What is that? You know the imposter from among us? No, I don't. You never played among us? No. No. What is it? It's like a game. I don't know. It's like a game of people used to play. Oh, I never played. You know this guy. You know this guy. I don't. Don't trust him. I don't. I never played that game. You got what the beliefs on his head?

49:17Any of them. Any of them. You can't judge. So it's like, it's like, you got to guess who the killer is out of all of them. I can't believe I'm talking about a monger son, Joe Robo. This is amazing. I don't know. You know this is amazing. Baby, you do? I don't know what it is. Got big over the pandemic. Oh, it did? Oh, it's recent? It was a game that you play with your friends. Oh, interesting. Some would debate it's for babies, but it's pretty fun. I don't play it. Why would they say it's for babies? I don't know, just because like babies play it sometimes, like much like Fortnite, sorry, Fortnite.

49:50Babies play a lot of things. That's true. They play cool shit too. But that's true. They do roast smiling. Yeah. But it kind of got like, it kind of got memeed a little bit the amongest thing. Interesting. Yeah. It's weird that some people like things until they find out the type of other people that like it. Sure. And they're like, I don't like this thing anymore. Well, dude, you remember how big, how big? What is it? The Facebook, the metaverse or whatever. How big that was supposed to be. The VR thing. Yeah. Right? And so I just watched a thing by guy named Jarvis Johnson. And he went in and spent like a week playing like 14 hours a day in the metaverse.

50:41And it's all just kids. It there's like, so they said it was going to be huge, huge, huge. There's 900 people on it. And they're all kids. And he would go everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. And it's all kids to the point where there was an 18 and up like bar. And you would have to hold your arms out. And they would measure your arm length to make sure that you weren't a kid. Isn't that crazy? That's, I don't know, man. It's just like, that's bizarre. It's crazy. But it's just like, well that's crazy. If someone's, oh wow, arm verification.

51:25What if someone's really tiny? Right? Like what happens when people? Yeah, what if it's like just a guy with a short wingspan. Yeah. Yeah, you're fucked. You can't get into the bar. But that's all right, because there was two people in there. But the whole thing is, you're hanging out with kids. That's bizarre. It's weird, man. That's a different thing. That's not, that's like an interactive thing. Right. Not like if you're playing a video game, it's just you versus the computer. And these kids, well these fucking kids at these multiplayer games are so good. Yeah, they have no lies. It's crazy to be there.

52:00No mortgage, no family. I miss those. No aspirations. They know when food is coming. That's what I meant by, whenever I said the goal of life is to be a kid, I meant like don't pay taxes. So I haven't paid mine. Just joking. That's a joke too. Yeah, go to Puerto Rico. You don't have to pay taxes? Well, there's a weird thing. If you live in Puerto Rico, it's like 51 % of the time or something like that. I forget what the percentage is. What you just rolled at that? You don't pay federal taxes. How do you do that? Because Puerto Rico, if you claim Puerto Rico as your residence, I'm gonna fuck this up, but Peter Schiff explained it to me, but that's why Jake and Logan Paul, they live in Puerto Rico.

52:36You don't have to pay taxes. Do lots of fight. I did. What do you think? It's a good fight. Jake did a great job. He's very talented. He's big. Yeah, he's a big fella. He's a big fella and Nate is definitely smaller than him. He definitely doesn't hit his heart as him. And Jake has a lot more experience with professional boxing now, for sure. He's legit. I, I, he, I, he, I mean, yeah, he looks, he looks good. I mean, Nate, I just love watching Nate fight. He's an animal. He is amazing. He is like one of my favorites to watch. And I was super pumped to, it came on after the show in Dallas the first night, like two nights ago.

53:13They're talking about having an MMA fight, which would be a way different fight. I want that fight. Yeah, that's a way different fight. That's a way different fight. I feel like, and I've never been in a combat sport before. But like, it's, it changes everything. It changes everything. Like you see Nate kind of getting up against the rope because he wants the, the chain there. Mm -hmm. You know? Right. Like, because I, he's getting up against the rope. And I'm like, oh, and MMA, you'll see or whatever, you can get up against. You tie him up. Right. But I don't know. It's totally different. It's totally different.

53:50But Jake is a very good wrestler. Mm -hmm. He's a great athlete, very good fighter. And I know he's never done an MMA fight before, but if he had one, I think he'd be good at it. I think he'd be good at it just like he's good at boxing. He'd figured out. He's built crazy. Yeah. Like looking at him over, since his first fight. You fucking trains hard. He's big. To go 10 rounds like that with Nate constantly coming forward, you got to be in some serious shape. Serious shape. That's also a lot of experience too, because you got to know when to hit the gas and when to back off when you're in a lot.

54:25You can't just fight full blast for 10 rounds. It's not possible. I had to do, I was just doing, so we filmed a movie, some, a scene in a movie, and I had to go in and do voiceover for the movie, for dubs. And they were telling me to throw fake punches. And I did it for like 10, not even full on for 10 minutes. And I was like, oh my God. I was so fucking sore and I was sore for the next week. I was like, yeah. And then you look at like 20 minutes, or how long are the rounds? Well, it's 10, three minute rounds. 10, three minute rounds. 30 minutes of boxing. That's insane. It's insane. That's hard.

55:08That's hard to do. You know what's great workout? The VR boxing games. Have you ever fucked with any of those? No, sir. I'm in the metaverse, man. It's a play in a manga, son VR. They're great workouts that are in a game, because you actually are boxing the guy. You have these handsets on. The handsets are your gloves. So you actually throw punches, and you move away from there punches. Sure. And it shows you when you hit them. And it measures your goggles too. So it knows where your goggles are. It knows exactly where your hat's cold. So as your head moves, the punch is slipped by, you can duck under them and hit them with upper cuts.

55:41So we are, is it like multiplayer? No, it's your single player. I didn't know if you were fighting like real people. Because I was like, imagine like, oh, fuck, I'm a 12 year old in my house, and I got a box Joe Rogan. Yeah. You can do that in fencing. I know in fencing, you can have a fence off with each other. I bet they have a thing for boxing, where you could do it against someone, where you both on opposite sides of the room and you're boxing each other. Well, I'm, what's your, if you, send me your gamer tag, so if I ever go up, I don't have a chance. I don't have a game. Gamer tag is also quite old, I think.

56:12I don't know. I used to be an Xbox guy, now I'm just a PC nerd. Yeah, just PC. What do you play? I'm playing Diablo. All right, Diablo. Oh my God. That steals your life. It steals my entire life. I'm my day off. I'm my days off. I go and I play and I'm like, oh, I'm good, man. I only played for like 14 hours. You play? No, I do not. My friend Duncan's full on junkie. So is my friend Brian. And we were both watching video clips of it. I see it, I get it. I get how it rope in. It's that dopamine of seeing all the numbers pop up. I did 9 million damage to a fucking demon. Yeah, there's all the numbers and the graphics and the craziness and you see them coming towards you.

56:55There's a lot of anticipation. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Do you play anything? Not anymore. No, I used to be a hardcore first person, children junkie. I used to play a lot of core. I'm warfare two. No, Quake, see your heart or your heart. It's a bit quick online. I had a buddy that used to play Quake. And like the competitive scene for that and like the early 2000s was like. Yeah, insane. And so you're easy. And insane. You have to know all the map and you know where they're going. So you go, it's like FPS chess. It's pretty cool to watch. It really is because you have to know when like certain items are spawning.

57:32Yes, sir. Like mega health, a rocket launcher. You got to get to it before your opponent does. Nerd. Yeah. That's so cool. That's for you any good. Oh, it's pretty good. Yeah, that's amazing. That's so cool, dude. We used to have a Quake LAN party set up here. This is crazy. Quake three. That's Quake three arena, right? Quake champions. Quake champions. That's the one. What was the, what was like. E like unreal? No, it was, it's a Quake game. It's like. Look at that. This game is so fast. He even react that. How do you hit that guy? Well, you're moving so fast in this game. It's just constant juice for your brain.

58:16Your brain is just constantly getting stimulus. It's so fun. Wow. Yeah, this guy's good. Whoever's playing this, this guy's good. But look at all like tuned in here. He's just in a trance. He knows where he's coming from. He knows exactly. You got to memorize these maps, dude. I got a quickie sw - Wow. That's insane. Did he get him through the grate? He got him as he was going down. That was great. Look at that. This guy's insane. This guy's so good, man. So he's running around getting all the health and getting all the armor and shit. See, he pre -shoots that in case he's coming down there. Wow.

58:53He is rocking this guy. Yeah, this guy's a killer. Whoever the fuck this guy is, this guy has no life. Guarantee that motherfucker's playing that game all day. Man, I only played for 14 hours today. What do you mean? The thing is, you could be like real successful in that game. You could get the same rush out of being successful in the real world. It's true. More of a rush, really. I don't, dude. It's so gaming for me is like, like I mentioned before, I don't leave the house very much. So like gaming for me is like me time. Yeah. You know, everybody likes the multiplayer games and stuff, but I'm like a single player guy because I'm like, whenever I get to actually sit down, you know, by myself, you know, not on tour.

59:38And then the baby goes to bed and mama goes to bed and I can just go and sit, have a nice drink and a smoke in my game room. Yeah. And just fucking like, just total get oste'time. Yeah. You need oste'time. Yes, sir. You do. Everybody does. You really do. For your mind, just for men. Again, like, why are you doing this? You're doing this to enjoy yourself. Sure, you're supposed to be. All this life is supposed to be, you're supposed to be enjoying yourself as much as you can. I mean, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Everybody's got a lot. Everybody's got a lot. You take that second. You take the don't be fucking scared to take that second for yourself.

1:00:19You deserve that fucking second. But earn that second too. Earn that second, but then you feel that second hit so much harder whenever you're like, oh man, so much harder. Fucking work in my ass off. Abstinence makes the heart grow fond. Abstinence? Yeah, just. Yeah, I'm abstinence. Having, having, you know, just a little break from things. Well, how do you find time, Joe? I make it. Force it. Just force it. Give me one of them Bud lights, fuck it. He got it. Let's go. They're cold, too. We've been drinking Bud Light consistently on this show. Yeah. I'm sure the comments are a fire. With those folks that like to get riled up about stupid shit.

1:01:03Well, that's what I said, you know, I, before the show, I was like, just back to the conversation we were just having. There's not a lot of comfort in the modern world, man. And I've been drinking this forever. Yeah. And I know it gives you comfort. I'm drinking my fucking, I'm gonna, God damn it, I'm gonna drink a fucking beer, Joe. Yeah, a Bud Light, too. I'm gonna drink a fucking Bud Light. And it's yummy. Forget about everybody's outrage. Settle down, everybody. Relax. They fucked up. Just let them off the hook. They fucked up. This one thing, it's not even that big of the deal, but when kid rock shoots your fucking beer, it's game over.

1:01:41It was a cool MP5, though. It was a cool gun. When kid rock shoots your beer. You don't want to, you first off, you got to buy the beer and you know how much ammo it is nowadays. It's just an expensive publicity stunt, but I think it was well worth it. Well, if you look at the impact that it did, that's what's crazy. I think people are just looking for shit to get annoyed with lately. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's interesting. And I love watching the show because it's so, you just talk. Yeah. You just talk and me and my friends, we say, you know, it's nice because you, you don't have any judgment and you listen to people talk and you actually have a conversation, which is really nice.

1:02:35Well in this age of short attention span, that shit doesn't appeal to everybody. There's a lot of people that are interested in that. And they're interested in long form conversations. They're interested in reading books. They're interested in just listening to music just for the sake of listening to music. Right. You know, there's still people like that out there. This idea that everyone's just short attention span dummy. That's crazy. That's not true. There's always going to be people that are interested in things and want to be stimulated. Is that the popular, well, I mean, for you, yes, you crush it.

1:03:10You crush it. Well, it works for me, but it works for me because that's actually what I like. Yes, sir. There's no bridge between what I'm interested in and what I'm talking about. Right. It's like it's just right there. It's right there. You love what you do. Yeah. And there's no executive. There's no producer telling me what to do. There's no one. There's no network. So it's just me and people with me and you. And that's missing in this world. We're getting too much of what we get is filtered down. Even if it's the news, it's going through filters. It's going through people. It's getting approved.

1:03:48What can you talk about? What can you not talk about? What do you highlight? What do you not highlight? What causes death that you pay attention to? What causes death that you ignore? That is what the news is. Sure. So it's just we get it from everything. And so we always have this uneasy feeling like whoever that person is is telling us the news. They're not being 100 % real with us because they're not even talking real today. At 5 p .m. We learned that there's a way they're talking where you know that you're kind of fucking human. That's not a human. And when they're trying to be a human, it's even grosser.

1:04:21It's a show. Yeah. And when they're trying to be sincere, it's even grosser because it's like performative. You've always been performing as this news guy forever. Now all of a sudden you're the real person. Right. Cut the shit, man. What is that? It's weird. It makes us feel weird. And that might not even be as human as they're even being. It's not their fault, you know, because that's what they're that's their job. That's their job. You know, that's their job to go up there. So if you do show that human moment, it's like, and then you look at it and you're like, oh, is that actually real? Or everyone thinks that's fake, you know, but maybe, you know, they do feel sad genuinely.

1:05:01It's just so hard if you tell a sad story on the news. And it's like you're reading off a teleprompter. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's interesting. It is. It's weird that we still need people to do it too. Like we want a Walter Cronkite type person or some respected journalist, some Mike Wallace, some Barbara Walter, someone who like when they're talking, there's one I know, I know Barbara Walter. Yeah. Well, you know, not when she's on the view, but the olden days, sure, she would do. Investigative. What day was some days? Um, wait, well, I'm 95. I'm 95. She's pre your time for sure. She's pre my time.

1:05:40She was, I think there's like some crazy thing where Barbara Walters and Frank and Martin Luther King Jr. were born in the same year. Is that true? Did I just make that up? I think Anne Frank and Martin Luther King Jr. and then like one other. She was born in 1929. What? It has to weigh it last year. 1929. Yeah. Yeah. The lady seen some shit. That's when people played chess with each other. Anne Frank was as well, right? Yeah. All crazy. All crazy. All crazy. You see you didn't make that up? No. Sometimes I'm wondering. No, me. I see you make that stuff. I see you make that stuff. The problem also, like sometimes people tell me something and then I don't look it up and then I'll just repeat it.

1:06:30Yeah. That's the whole other thing. That's the whole other thing. Yeah. You got to like look things up. Audrey Hepburn. Arnold Palmer from 1929. Let's go. The golfer. Wow. He was born in 1929. I thought he was the drink guy. Oh, he did. He was the drink guy. He did. I prefer myself a John Daly, which is the John Daly. That's vodka and Arnold Palmer. John Daly's a wild boy. Oh, man. That's all up. That's what he can do is amazing that he's known for being a dude who parries. Sure. And he's one of the best golfers ever. Yeah, man. I don't know. That's why I like. Look at him out there. That's crazy.

1:07:12That's a way. He's smoking a steggy into a big gut plays like a fucking wizard. He looks like a wizard. He's giving me big wizard vibes on this one. I mean, the guy's been doing it a long fucking time. Many a man is in the ground that was thinking that John Daly was never going to make it. I mean, piss. It's like you ever played moral combat and bow right, Joe? It was bow right, Joe. He's the guy that was always drunk and he would puke on you. And then he would always kick my ass in the game. So imagine that's kind of like not to compare John Daly to bow right, Joe, for moral combat. But just imagine you're out there and you go so hard and you go, you're like doing all the best training and all this shit.

1:07:57And this guy just comes out with a fat dude with a John Daly. And then just like and hits the craziest shot every. Oh, my God, man. There's some guys that don't look like they should be pro athletes or pro anything with your body. And yet there is good as anybody alive. I mean, like what a big country. Oh, yeah. Roy Nelson. Yeah. Roy Nelson put people in the neighboring dimensions. That dude hit so hard. And by the way, he's like a legit Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt. He was an elite grappler. A wave. I met him way back in the day way before he had any MMA fights. And he was just a really elite grappler.

1:08:40But then he starts fighting in MMA and not can be blunt conscious and can take a shot as good as anybody that's ever weird is padding. I mean, you thought they we used to say that with boxers used to make them shave their beards shave them off. You couldn't have a big hairy beard because they really did think that it was padding. Well, yeah, well, that's what I was talking to somebody and they were like, Hey, do you think it's like way, way, way, way, way, far down the line to where like men group beards because they're fighting each other and they're like, OK, we'll get a little padding and it just grew over time.

1:09:11No, I think they had an invented razors. That's true. No, but how evolutionary how did it grow? How did it start growing? It went away. I think I think we had hair all the way up to the top of our face. But why would it stay just? Well, like, why do we have armpit hair? It's a good question. Why do we have ball hair? Yeah. What's up with that? You can style it. That's what we're talking about. So you can braid it. Keep your ass whole hair. No, the asshole hair is for catching dingle berries and everyone knows that. It's for a little snack for later. Oh, yeah. I think what it is is we used to be covered in hair.

1:09:44It's pretty obvious. And then when the aliens came down, I manipulated our DNA. They turned us into this. This weird memory. I wish they turned me into that. I wish they turned me into that. How do I get stuck with it? I always missed a fucking cool shit, man. Dude, I think if that is the case, if we were really truly created by aliens, that would be the most bizarre of all the possible. If we're still the same thing. Yeah. But if we knew that that's how we came about, that would be probably the most bizarre thing ever.

1:10:20From creation or like crossbreeding, like crossbreeding. Yeah. Yeah. Or like some genetic manipulation. You know, it's so weird. It's so fucking knows. But thinking about why are the depictions of aliens since recorded history? Why are they always bipedal? Why do they always have the same face and eyes as us? Like why? Why? Why is that? Why is that? Because I don't know. And people are like, oh, you know, people would be like, well, they're just like, you know, they made this up. They look like humans. But what if we look like them? Yeah. Or whatever we're being visited by now is just humans from the future.

1:11:18Or humans, or another off -shoot of humans from another dimension. Yeah. A lot of people expect that they're just like, you know what's interesting about aliens too? Aliens, they always have eyes facing forward. And in nature, things that have eyes facing forward are generally predators. Sure. Things that have eyes on the side like a deer or a pronghorn. They're looking for shit coming at them. So they're like looking left and right. But when something has eyes going forward, it's looking to attack generally, like cats and wolves. They have eyes facing forward. And aliens have eyes facing forward, which is interesting.

1:12:01As I don't know, do you think if there is actually, who's the even fucking say what an alien even fucking looks like? They could just be a blob of fucking energy or whatever the fuck. But if we do like personalize them like that, which we as humans tend to do, it makes it easier to fathom. You know what I mean? I couldn't fathom a being in here that's just a glob of dust or a cloud. Like I'm like, whoa, this is insane. But if I look at it from like, oh, you're like me. You know what I mean? As far away in the galaxy as you might be from, oh, you're kind of like me. But just think about the me when you say me.

1:12:44It's very intangible, right? It's not like my hand. My hand is right here, but my me, like who I am, my consciousness, like where the fuck is that? Where is that? Is that inside of me? Is it a part of me? Is it all of me together? Whatever it is, it's like you, like your consciousness is like this very unique energy that's you. And mine is me and everybody has a different one. And it's what the fuck is that? Yeah. That's a weird thing. It certainly is. You know, whatever it is inside of your mind that's moving you around and responding to questions and finding what you're interested in and pursuing your goals, like that, whatever the fuck that thing is inside of you, that energy is very strange.

1:13:25And it is, it is super weird. I remember you asked me if I wanted to smoke and I can't, I don't really smoke anymore. And I actually talked it for the longest time in my whole life. I couldn't really explain this. I couldn't really bring it to words and try to explain it to where I wasn't where it just because it made no sense. But I talked to a couple of my buddies and they were like, oh, it's the same thing. So a lot of my friends from smoking weed, it's like almost like a depersonalization thing to where it feels like for the longest time since I had, I smoked one bad joint. And for the longest time ever since then, it's felt like I've been almost like watching my life happen instead of actually like living it.

1:14:22Does that make sense? It does. If you had like an episode, like if you smoked one bad joint and you got way too high and you had like a break, like some sort of a schizophrenic break or some sort of strange episode. And it just feels like a lot of the time it's like, it's like I'm not doing it. It's like almost is like I'm watching it happen. Still to this day? To this day a lot of the time. Yeah. And it happened because of that one. I never, I had never felt it in my life before that. Wow. So it's like, and I talk to my friends and they were like, oh, it's like a depersonalization. I don't exactly know what happens or what goes on.

1:15:08But it's a pretty like common thing I feel like for people who have had a negative experience with like THC or something like that. Or whatever the fuck was in that joint that I had in LA that one time. Right. You don't know it was in it. That's true too. Maybe it was just fucking LSD or something and it like totally just like caught me. And but I felt different like to this day. I still feel different. That's so weird. But it could just be THC. This guy, Alex Baronson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children. And it's about how there's a certain percentage of people that especially with high dose THC they can have a schizophrenic break or a psychotic break.

1:15:51Something goes wrong. I used to smoke crazy. I used to smoke a lot like do the volcanoes and all that shit. That's so fun. And one time. One time. Wow. That's crazy. One time. Maybe there was something in it. I don't know. You know, when you're just getting a joint from some dude. Yeah. You don't know the chain of customers. Yeah. No idea. Where was this cooked up? No idea. Ron White was in the green room at the club one night and he pulled out this joint. He was this joint called $75. Like what the fuck is that? He was got it from Beverly Hills. Like he'll keep that shit the fuck away from me.

1:16:25So all these other guys smoked it. Brian Simpson smoked it. Duncan Trustle smoked it and they went on stage and Duncan said he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. He was like, what did you do to me? What the fuck? I thought it was weed. But they get these joints now and these crazy dispensaries like in L .A. Or you know, it's legal now. So they're lacing them with THC. They got THC crystals in them and crazy in them. Yeah. These are not regular joints. These are for dudes like, like be real. Like the kind of shit that he smokes. You know? Be real for shots. This is like my man be real for Cypress.

1:17:02This is for be real. That is the only man who can smoke this joint. That dude is stone cold sober no matter how high he gets. That is crazy man. I want to like a lot of my buddies are like that too man. You have to smoke a lot to feel high. I can't keep up with those fellas. I can't keep up with those. I did this smoke box show where they get you super high and they put you in this dope car and they have cameras in the car and you sit there and just. You just pop box the car. Pop box the car and it's ridiculous. I was so high I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about. I was like, I gotta get out of here.

1:17:39I gotta go to bed. I'm convinced too. I get secondhand high from my green room. Oh you definitely do. You definitely do. You definitely do. I've seen people get secondhand high from me in this room. I've seen it where they're all of a sudden they have a hard time remember what they're talking about. You got high. You got high whether you liked it or not. Maybe I am high. Maybe a little bit. Maybe it's nice. I had a stint too where I tried to smoke like maybe two years ago. And I was like, it's amazing but then like just shrooms is like for me. Just so much more fun for me. Shrooms should be legal.

1:18:19Yeah. Because I mean if you are, I mean I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. And if you're vulnerable there's something wrong with your mind. You probably shouldn't be doing any kind of psychedelics. But that's the case with a lot of stuff. But for everybody else, just a little bit. Just a little bit every now and then would make your life a little better. It's interesting you said that too because now I talk to a bunch of my buddies who have served and they said, oh they're giving them psilocybin to help with like PTSD and shit like that. Yeah, there's this shirt that I'm wearing. This is a map shirt, multi -disciplinary association for psychedelic studies.

1:19:00You know these guys and they are doing a lot of great work with that with MDMA too. MDMA for soldiers. And so they're running these trials and these studies with MDMA and soldiers and they're finding great results. Yeah, it's really interesting. And it's just like this is literally eaten cow shit and it's nature. And it's nature that human beings have utilized probably for thousands of years and we should get back to it. You got to wonder if that's, I mean, we know why it's not legal. It's because it's going to make people invent tools and have better communication with each other and be more, you know.

1:19:38It's the people that are, they should listen to this, the people that are trying to run the world. You should be doing it too. Because if you did, it would change your consciousness and it would change your focus and you would still be just as successful. Don't think you won't be. You'll still be successful. You'll be successful under a different metric. You'll probably feel better and you won't have this fucking guilt, this overwhelming guilt of living your life just constantly trying to acquire money by unscrupulous methods. Expense your money on shrooms. You don't even have to spend that much money.

1:20:11You just go slip some slump out of expensive and if you're living a good spot, they're readily available outside, which is wild. Oh, good. Thank you. It's just one of those things that I think nature put here or we are and not maybe not even by design, but just by whatever it is about us and whatever it is about that. When that chemical interacts with ours and it's very similar to normal human neurochemistry apparently, that psilocybin, when they interact with us, it's very positive for the most part. Again. Unless you have psychological problems. Well, that's, I think, or on certain medications.

1:20:56It like, it made me, I was so fucking depressed and so fucking sad. For so long. And doing shrooms, it took me out of that. It made me see shit in like such a more like it's not all fucking shitty. It's not all shit. But it did feel all shitty for you even while you were successful. Yeah. That's what's weird, right? Right. Exactly. Because then you have it all and yet you still feel like shit. Yes. That confuses a lot of folks. Yes, sir. And especially like, I was fucking 18, like whenever the shit popped off and I was like, oh, fuck, man. I don't know what the fuck to do. Everybody's looking at me.

1:21:41I don't, you know, and I can't even imagine how like a beaver or a cullkin, like, or child actors or performers, like how you even, even your parents like at that. And I don't want to say anything about those people's parents and specifically, but or in particular, but the parents even then are like, how much money can we make off of this kid? And you see like a lot of YouTube families doing that shit. Do it. Like this kid doesn't know what the fuck is going on here. He doesn't know what's going on here. You're just monetizing your kid. You know what I mean? It's crazy. It's crazy. It is weird.

1:22:24And that's why like even when I had my baby, you see a lot of the time people are like first thing that happens. Baby gets, baby, fresh out of the koochi, right? And then right to Instagram or Twitter or whatever. Here's my new fucking baby, like no shit. And like the kid doesn't know what the fuck is happening. So like whenever they're older, they'll be like, oh, I saw your ass when you were a baby. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's just like, but I remember I pulled, I got to, I had the pleasure and the privilege to pull my baby out. And I was like, oh, fuck. Wow. This is like, like, head off as like, wow.

1:23:08Scrubbed up so it was crazy. And I'm like, you know what? You can, in this world that we live in right now, where everything is based off of a social currency and a, and a like or a heart metric on any platform, you, I'm gonna let you fucking decide whenever you want to do that, you know? Yeah, that's, that's a great way to do it. I feel like people are just so entrenched in this idea that you have to share every aspect of your life and use that aspect of your life as a thing to get likes. Right. That's what's weird. It's like that light when they invented likes boy, did they fucking hot wire our brain?

1:23:54They locked them down. They took away his likes. Yeah, they did in that wild. Yeah, that's wild too. That's wild too. Isn't that crazy? It is wild. I think about that all the time. Like, yeah. That's why I don't know. That's not so nice. To be nice. I don't think it's, you know, look, you're going to get people that gang up on folks. Sure. There's, there's, you're going to get people that weaponize that. That's, but that's also a way to indicate whether or not people like it or don't like it. I mean, that's the way to indicate whether people like it or don't like it. Are you saying I can only like it?

1:24:27Yeah, wait, I can like it or ignore it. So, so like, then you can buy that, you know, gauge. You can tell if people really like the video, say the video gets a hundred million or a, let's just say a million views. Right. And then like, oh, a thousand people like this. Oh, they didn't really like that. Right. I know that's weird. Right. Why did they get so many views? Then you can kind of just subtract. Yeah. The amount of likes versus the views and then be like, well, well, there's always hate liking or hate watching. People do a lot of hate watching. They do a lot of watching shit to hate. I'm a little guilty of that.

1:25:01You seen the new NPC trend? Oh, what is the new NPC trend? All right. So maybe, can you, Jamie, would you know what an NPC is? It is so clear. It is crazy, dude. Is it the memes? It is the TikTok of people that will livestream for hours of doing, and so they'll just stay in like a stance like this. Oh, so the app and whatever, whenever someone gives them money or something, like on TikTok, they'll react to it in like a way and they'll do it for hours. Oh, I saw this young, pretty girl that was doing that. It is crazy. And everybody was going, what is going on? Like what is this? Like ice cream so good.

1:25:44Ice cream so good. Ice cream so good. And I'm like, wow, this is kind of crazy. What is that? Like why it's so crazy? Did she ever break character? Did she just keep doing that? I remember her name was her. I was going through a few different things here. That was like, I think she only breaks character to like, I remember her kid came in on one of those things. She's like, what are you doing? Get out of here. That's hilarious. But now it's not just her. It's like a thing. And I went, thank you sir. Here's the one that got viral first. Pinkie doll is her name. And she reveals staggering earnings.

1:26:20And they're making cash. Wow. And this is the one. Gang gang gang gang gang gang gang oh special gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang gang. That was good. Little Nade.

1:26:45Wow.

1:26:48It's crazy. That's so strange. It's crazy. But she is really hot in that house. That's why that works. Look, let's not pretend. No. Like if she was gross. Like that lady is beautiful. So when she does that people are like what is she. Get her to lick her lips. Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. That's pretty damn not bad. Not bad. How long did she do it for? Did it say on there? 48 hours. And we're all just doing that. It was this was a three week band. She didn't sleep. Is actually here. What is the Russian sleep experiment or whatever the hell? Right, right, right. But just some NPC streamers. What did they figure out from that?

1:27:30Like what is the limit of the human body where you can go without sleep? Well, I don't know if it's like if that experiment was real. But because you hear the story about it. Like you know the one where they're like I don't know if it's just like a creepy pasta or whatever when they did the sleep experiment. And what happens? What he says it's a creepy pasta. Yeah, it's a creepy pasta. What is a creepy pasta? It's like a creepy story. Like a scary story that people know. Just a story that people tell. But like real. But I wonder if they murder each other or something like that. Yeah, they started like murder and everybody.

1:28:06So they say in the story. It's a story. That makes sense. But that makes sense that that's not real. Did they ever really push that? If they did they probably won't talk about it. You know, like it's so like inhumane. Like and given well you think about fuck they're gonna kill me. Just like MK Ultra and all that shit. Yeah, I was about to go there. All that shit. Like I'll let you talk about it. So I just know what it is, but I don't know anything about it. It's in a real program that the CIA was running that were they were experimenting with people with LSD to find out what LSD did. And they wanted to know like how can we use it?

1:28:49Can we use it to interrogate our enemies? Can we use it as a truth serum? What can we do with it? By the way guys, I have no idea what this stuff is. There you go. And what they did was they started experimenting and not just the United States. They did it with British soldiers too in the 1950s. There's a video of these British soldiers that they gave them acid. See if you can find that because it's a wild video. These dudes they just dosed them up and how to run into the woods. They're like, ah! So do you have like man hunters on that? You ever watch that show, man hunter? What is that? He's like the guy that like he's like, all right, if you can hide, I'm the best tracker in the world.

1:29:33If you can hide from me on my horse. But how do they, how do they keep track of what they did in the woods? That's a good question. How do they jam? What in this case? Yeah. They filmed them. Right, so they just, they just, they went super deep. Yeah, right. How do they keep track of them? They keep them from just going on an acid marathon. He's brisket I think, I don't know. Yeah, they didn't do it. They were fucked up. They were just, they were fucked up. They were fucked up bullets. I mean, this is, this is the fucking right after storming the beach at Normandy days. You know, these are wild times, man.

1:30:05People just ran into gunfire back then. They were different men. Are these guys all on acid right now? Yeah, I watch them start laughing. They can't stop laughing. So they're soldiers and they're sitting there doing their job. But they, they can't stop laughing. They're just trepid balls. And then later, there's some footage of them in the woods. They took them to the woods afterwards. Or maybe there's, I think this is, it might be a different one. Yeah. Because I have not seen this one. But they, I think they did it with a bunch of people. And they did it at Harvard, you know, Ted Kaczynski, the Unibomor.

1:30:35He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. He was a participant. Yeah. No shit. They dose that dude up with acid. No shit. Yeah, they dozed him up with acid. And then he was, you know, he had a, did that guy have a rifle? Yeah. So these guys, they can't give a dude with a rifle, LSD. But yet they did. Look at these dudes. They got cameras and fucking, what is he, he's holding on to his headphones. They can't stop laughing. He's trying to put the headphones on the tree. They can't stop laughing. Look, it's like a great drug. And they were like, okay, this has no military purpose at all. They don't use it.

1:31:07This is exactly the opposite of what we want. What did they do, Chopin? They're chopping it? Are they chopping a tree? I don't know. At least guys climbing a fucking tree. He's out of his mind. Why do they have firearms? Because they're army guys. That's crazy though. Yeah, British Marines. 1964 that was. So what the CIA was doing is they were experimenting with prostitutes. So what they would do is they would set up a brothel. And they would have these guys go in to try to get with the prostitute. And the prostitute was a CIA agent. She would give them a drink that was laced with acid. And they would watch these guys through two -way mirrors.

1:31:48That's insane. Yeah, they were just trying to figure out what does acid do. And they would do it. And they would just totally unsuspecting. Yeah. And then there's mind control experiments. There's definitely something going on with Charles Manson. And that's the Tom O 'Neill book chaos. It's a great book about MK Ultra and the role that these guys that were running that program that they interacted with Manson. They interacted with him in prison. And they think that they might have been the people that were supplying him with the acid. Or he was using it to manipulate those kids. And the whole thing was to discredit the anti -war movement.

1:32:25They were trying to develop this attitude in America that hippies are dangerous and murderous. And these people that are like stop the war. These people are a threat. And so one of the ways they did it was this high profile guy, Charles Manson. And they take this guy and they taught him how to run a fucking cult when he was in prison most likely. What was he in prison for before? Oh, he's been in prison his whole life. His whole life. Where's he from? That's a good question. I don't know where Manson was from. Thank you. But the book chaos, I can't recommend it enough. It's fucking incredible.

1:33:01The guy worked on it for 20 years. I've talked about it a hundred times in the podcast. If you listen to it before, I'm sorry. But that guy who is my friend Greg's neighbor, my friend Greg Fitzimans, he was this guy's neighbor like 20 years ago. He was working on this. And he's got hired to write a story about the anniversary of the tape LaBianca murders. And when he got hired to write that story, he started finding all these inconsistencies in the story. And so he started doing like real journalism. And it just like he went on a deep dive way too long. And he wrote it for 20 fucking years. And finally, they got together.

1:33:36They helped him with an editor and they put it all together and they put together this book. This book is insane. It's insane. Yeah, I did. I don't know. That's such a crazy. It's so crazy. And the thing about, I don't know if it's harder to like pull the wool over people's eyes now. Rather than then. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know either. Because there's so many different, like we were talking about the news. Yeah. You know, you go on the news and you get caught in this, it's like a perpetual, it's a wheel. You know what I mean? And you just keep getting, especially now due to the algorithms that we have.

1:34:19Yeah. You just keep getting fed the same information to like perpetuate what you want to learn about. And what they want you to know about. But back then, it wasn't as accessible. So I wonder if it was harder back then to like trick the populace into believing something than it is now. I think it was probably easier. Because I think they probably had more respect for institutions because they didn't have the access to them that we have now. Like think about what a president was like back then. Presidents openly had affairs. No one reported on it. They were just revered figures. It was a different thing.

1:35:01Like when Kennedy was a president, sure, definitely people hated him, especially Republicans. A lot of people hated him for the Bay of Pigs, but the press didn't hate him. You know, they, everybody knew who he was. Right. That's not the case today. You know, the world is such a hostile place today. We don't have respect for institutions anymore. We don't have respect for mainstream media for a lot of fucking reasons. We don't have respect for mainstream news. We look at them like, are it maybe this is real? Right. We don't look at it like this is the thing that's on the screen as well. And we know that there's deep political agendas in reporting any story in the perspective, the editorializing of these perspectives.

1:35:45It's just there's a lot of what humans are is what we're getting influenced by. And when you're getting influenced by propaganda and horseshit all the time, it has an effect on you. Whether you like it or not, it might not be 100 % effective, but it has some sort of an effect on you. Where you're willing to let these people who are just people. They're no different than you and no different than me. But you'll let them talk to you and talk to us as if they are in control of us. And that is not supposed to be how America works. And that's just a natural human power structure thing that we've had since we were tribal creatures.

1:36:27It's a natural inclination to want to be that and want to do that. But we have to protect against that at all costs. Because just because it seems like you would like those things to be implemented because they fit your perspective and your worldview. The problem is now there's tools in place for tyrants. And now there's tools in place for people who don't share your perspective and don't have a charitable view of human beings. And are ruthless and maybe psychotic. But that's like that's the beginning, that's the beginning of it all too. Yes. It's been happening like Nero and fucking just like.

1:37:04Rome was super like everything you look at like everything. It was a repub. You know, like everybody was everybody had a vote. Everybody had to say everybody. But the guys who are running, well everybody was drinking from lead. And everybody was like, you know what I mean? Yeah, they had lead drinking vessels. And it was just insane. And this dude built this statue, like fucking a hundred feet tall of himself. And then Rome sat on fucking fire. And it's crazy. And that's just been happening. And it's been repeating forever. Forever. And I don't know exactly how long. But you know the history repeats itself.

1:37:45And then you look at a cycle of like how civilizations come and go this way. And it's just like, I don't know. I know when I was a kid, I used to think about America that way. When I was a kid I was like, well, you know, you read about ancient Greece and ancient Rome. And these great civilizations that they felt like what happened? Did they see it coming? And I was like, what I see it coming, what I know it was coming. Is it going to happen to us? Right. We don't want to ever think it could happen to us. Because we're on the top. We're number one. We're fucking America. We're the youngest fucking country in the fucking world.

1:38:19Yeah. And it can happen to us. Oh, you got to be real careful that we don't become just like all these ones that we talk about when we say boy. Be glad you're not living in that place. Because places go through cycles. Some places are amazing and then they get invaded. Some places, you know, some places of Philanus. Yeah. Well, that's probably. That one's probably an ocean thing. Yeah, that's probably. That's probably. That's mama nature coming. That's probably an impact thing. You believe in Atlantis? Yes, I do. I think it was a real place. You talked about the younger dry. Dry us. And I was watching the thing recently actually about how they think that the Egyptians just found the pyramids and the Sphinx.

1:39:08And how you can see that the younger dry us affecting the Sphinx and the pyramids like that and how that shit happened. I mean, yeah, I'm not fully as encompassed as you I'm sure because I just now learned about the younger dry us. But well, for sure, this is what you can say for sure because this gets people very upset for sure. Yeah, this is because they, but I don't know why, but just you have to kind of like say a few things. Okay. One thing is that for sure the Egyptians made it because it was in Egypt. Okay. It's just different. Yes. I think what we're saying is there are people from a different era.

1:39:47Yes, sir. And this is the whole proposal that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have. Yes, sir. And like with that younger dry us impact theory, people get crazy about this and they think it's. Well, I didn't even know if anybody had died. No, you definitely didn't. Okay. But there's people that call it a racist theory. It's very strange because it's really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's real weird and they've applied that to Graham Hancock and it's ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. He's he's not saying anything about the race of the people that did it. It's about time. The whole issue is about time.

1:40:19And what they believe is that somewhere around around 11 ,800 years ago and probably a couple other times, we got obliterated by common impacts, common fragments slammed into the earth. Sure. And there's a lot of evidence of this physical evidence of eridium levels of eridium, nano diamonds that happen on impact. This shit is all over the world. And you could find giant craters in places where like Greenland and there's places where 100 % they got obliterated by a giant chunk of something. What they believe is that this ended the ice age and this is what caused all the melting of the ice caps that were above North America.

1:40:59And that's where all this massive flooding came from and that's where the great lakes come from. And he thinks that it was a civilization ending event where very few people survived and they essentially had to rebuild from there. And so the amazing society that built the pyramids, whoever those people were, by the time this younger dry ice impact thing happens, who knows what kind of civilization they had at that point. Sure. But they might have been far more advanced than us. Sure. Just in a different way. Sure. And for sure they knew how to move stone in a way we still don't understand. Right.

1:41:35We have no idea how the fuck they did that. No idea how they made 2 ,300 ,000 stones meet perfectly at the top and then cover it in smooth limestone. It's fucking insane. And channel energy. Yeah, well it's like, and vibrate inside of the pyramid to channel fucking energy. Who knows what they were doing. It's crazy. And I didn't mean to offend anyone. No, no, no, no, no. I shouldn't have said it the way I said it. No, not at all. I just wanted to clarify because it's a weird thing that people keep saying. Because I just learned about this. Like, and like watching videos about it and learning about all this stuff.

1:42:14And you got to first off take everything with the grain of salt, of course. But then it's like, fuck it. It's fucking actually crazy. And now there's, is there xenon on Mars? What is xenon? There's a, there's a chemical that, so the soil on Mars is supposedly enriched with xenon enough to, like, it's like, don't let me, I'll just throw out an arbitrary number. A thousand megatons of nuclear, it comes from nuclear explosions. What? And they said that the soil, that's, that's, they said that the soil on Mars is super packed with it. Yo, imagine if Mars was a nuclear war on Mars. Or they imagine they just obliterated the whole planet.

1:43:06How do you think, how do you feel about the face? It's the problem with the faces. It was a very low resolution camera and it was convenient. And then when they went over to second time, it's, it's weird in the shape of it, but it didn't look like a face anymore. So how do you feel about NASA having its own like photoshopping branch? Do they? There's people in NASA that photoshopped. You know that, you look at a picture of Mars, what color do you think it is? It's like, it's like a dusty tan. It's like orange, right? Would you pull up the real pictures of Mars, what they actually look like without the fucking filter on them?

1:43:44Is it in my crazy? What is Mars actually? Well, isn't it like Earth? It is crazy. Where there's different spots that have like different color ground. I don't know. It, so they, and they put, so you look at pictures of Mars from like 20 to 30 years ago, or whatever. And then you look at pictures of Mars now. They are drastically different because people caught on to like, why are you throwing a filter on Mars? So they were changing the color of Mars? Interesting. I'll pull up the photos I'm seeing and you direct me to what it is. Look at that one. Look at that one. Like this one? No, the first one.

1:44:25Oh, the third one, sorry sir. Oh, like on the ground. Look at the sky there. Okay. Look at the ground there and then look at the second one even for in fact. There's an orange tint to everything on every picture that we've ever seen of it. But then if you look at it, look up maybe Mars without the orange filter. But the lunar module doesn't look orange. Look at the lunar module. It's pure white. It's just a filter. It's not pure white. Okay. Look at that. Like that looks just like Earth. It looks like a place on Earth. That could be a place on Earth totally. Right. Except for this guy is a little fucked up looking.

1:45:06Let's do... Let's do... Mars is a Photoshop. I don't know. What do you call like a... I keep saying branch but like it's like... Well, I do know that just one way to explain some of it is that a lot of the photos they get from the telescope are like not actual... Like with these cameras it's not just taking a photo. Sure. It's taking data that has to be compiled into a photo. Sure. Are these not from the rover though? They are. I'm talking about like landscape photos. But when it makes sense that Mars looks different in different spots and when it makes sense that it looks different with different conditions.

1:45:46It certainly does. Mars is heading. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like the photo like that for instance can't be taken normally. Right. But like the landscape photos. It looks like a space monkey. It looks like a space monkey. Look at that. Doesn't look like a monkey. That dude's chill as fuck. Is that a real photo? Jamie? That picture looks like a space monkey. That picture that you just had up. Look at that. That's your new logo. That's your new logo. This is a sudden Photoshop NASA photos give new life to outer space imagery. Yeah, that's not real. That's not real, right? That's not real, right?

1:46:18So if you were one of these NASA Photoshop people. Exactly. You would manipulate the photos in a little bit of a way to make them look a little more extraordinary. Well, there's the other scenes like lying. No, it's crazy. I'm trying to use the right words here because like I can make a photo of you Joe and make it look, you know, or both of you either I could you put like the handsome filter on. Yeah, there's a me at least. You can make the photo. I want to make it look away. It didn't really look to anybody's eyes in the room. Right. But you can just tweak some things without adding really anything.

1:46:50You're just tweaking the light off the sensors. But there are ways you can go way further with it. All right. So I've been, I mean, you can fucking trust YouTube as far as you can throw it. But looking at photos of recent photos of Mars and it could be camera. It could be camera. Well, if you look at a photo from like a Samsung Galaxy Note 2. But it still doesn't change the color. There's such and there's there's one. Maybe so the first one on the left is on process. That's what they okay. All right. So then they take the. Okay. Oh, that's weird. I don't even know what you do for like filming a movie.

1:47:35Right. Exactly. The camera looks kind of like shit and you have to. But is it calibrated? But why are they trying to make it look like a movie? Well, I that. There's a bullshit. That's also could be what we're used to seeing. And it just makes it gives it better context. I'm not the one doing it. So I'm just trying to like think like them. And is there xenon on Mars? There is a xenon. But I couldn't figure out. But there's definitely articles about that. And look evidence for a lot NASA. Oh, that's that's fucking hard. I see a lot of smart. I see a lot of smart. I see a lot of smart. You know, reactor on Mars past.

1:48:07I don't know what a lot of smart words here. I was skipping NASA. Bro, that's NASA. Harvard .edu. That sounds very smart. NASA sounds really smart. Yeah. I know. I know. Evidence for large natural, natural nuclear reactor in Mars past. Why are they saying natural? They're just guessing. They don't want to say that maybe it was a civilization that knew it itself into oblivion. Maybe so. Yeah. But why also they say natural? Compiling the mysteries to fact that Mars is a surface layer of elevated levels of uranium and thorium. I don't know what that means. Bro, they knew the whole planet. Imagine.

1:48:42They were fighting over some fun. Imagine. And they were just like us in that way. And we're fucking postal. How crazy would that be? How do you nuke a cloud of gas, though, because that's what aliens are? I don't know. Do you want to know something crazy? He knows it. You know a cloud. I want you to think of cloudways. And average cloud. What do you consider average? Just a big plough. Just like a big plough. I just saw a few ones. But around. Twenty pounds. A million. Fuck. It was way off. A million pounds. I just found that out. It's like that's insane. I'd rather get paid a million pounds in twenties.

1:49:13The density of the water that's in the clouds, if you actually could extract it in way. Yeah, look at that. That's crazy. A cubic kilometer cloud contains 1 billion cubic meters doing the math, 1 billion times 0 .5, 500 million grams of water droplets in our cloud. That's about 500 ,000 kilograms or 1 .1 million pounds. Imagine it just fell. It just fell like hard. It became solidified and just fucking felt. A giant hail stone. That'd be fucking crazy. Well, some hail is ridiculous. Seeing people get impelted by like golf balls. Like you've ever seen that video of these people were filming from their backyard and you see the hail hitting the pool and it's like they're getting attacked by aliens.

1:50:02It's crazy. This was, they just, we just had that in Utah. Try and get it in. Yeah, monsoon. It's a great song name. That is monsoon. That's a great song name. Yeah, that's a great song name. Monsoon in Utah. But it was, my dad, I wasn't there, but my dad said it was like the craziest storm he's ever been in. This is the monsoon. This isn't Utah though, but this was two songs a couple weeks ago. But here's the storm rolling in. Arizona. Oh, look at that thing rolling in. It just dumps here in a second. Cover's the whole screen. Those are the darkest, that's like fucking mortar clouds. Totally.

1:50:40It's our on. Look at the rain coming down. Christ Holy fuck man. That's insane. That is insane. That's insane. If that's not fucking apocalyptic, dude, I don't know what the fuck is. That was crazy, dude. Miami once. This guy doesn't seem to care though. He doesn't mind. He's like, yeah, but this shit happens all the time. It's acquiring data. I was in Miami once and we were driving down the highway and the whole highway had a stop because the rain was so hard you couldn't see in front of you. The whole highway just stopped dead. Just dumped rain on us. It lasted for like four minutes and then it went away.

1:51:17But for four minutes the entire highway was stopped. You couldn't see a foot in front of your windshield. It was just, it was fucking wild. Like this is crazy. These people are dealing with some wild shit down here. It's never raining like that. And you just, how long do you hang out on the side of the road? We were in the middle of the highway. We had to stay there for several minutes. Oh, you just sat in your lane. Yeah, you had to stay in your lane. Yeah, everybody on the highway stopped. Bro, you couldn't see jack shit. You couldn't see the front of your car. It was insane. That's, yeah. See, I don't know man.

1:51:54It just dumped and took off and you're like, okay. And then it was like back to normal. But it gave you, it gives you a little heads up like, hey, you know, you ain't shit. Okay. You ain't shit. This fucking whole plant has some gigantic destructive forces that you could never stop. So when you're on the highway and it rolls through, just be lucky, you don't have a fucking convertible. Shut your mouth and just sit there and deal. Put that top on quick. You know, put that top on. Oh my god, you're still with water. You being a fish bowl. Hail dude, I don't, hey, moving to Texas, we had a lot of hail like, and it would just fucking, common fucking, we had to go put out, we, there was a baler.

1:52:40And so we would go use their parking garage whenever it would hail. And so we, see windows going against matches. Yeah, because it's, it's crazy. Yeah, fuck your car. There's a, see if you can find the video, Jamie, of Hail Storm in swimming pool. It's bananas. It's like they're getting attacked. It's like missiles are coming in into their swimming pool. It's fucking, I don't know. I don't know, I want to say it was Ohio. Jamie, why you pulled that up? Can I 10 one? Texas. Can I 10 one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry guys. Go ahead, hit it. Look at this though. These fucking hail. Oh my god. Yeah. That poor cow.

1:53:17That poor cow. That crazy one was so, that's pretty good though. That cow's getting lit up. That swim and pool is getting rocked. I didn't see. What's got to do with that? We'll pause. We'll pause you real quick. I'll take a two. We're at back folks. And we're back. Jeez. So you say you got in an archery or you tried it. I tried it. You tried it. I tried it, yes sir. Would you go? I was in France. So I was in France working on the wine. And we were at the vineyard and we were like, let's shoot some, shoot some bow. So we had some French archers come out. And they had a compound. And they had just another recurve, traditional, like you and Joe Rogan, that is hard to do.

1:54:07It's not easy to do. It's not easy to do it all. And they want you to go forward. Do you go forward when you shoot? No. They told you to go forward? Yeah. Maybe with the, maybe it was with like, was it like an old oak bow? Okay. A long bow. Yeah. So they like, told you to go forward. Or whenever to help your aim. Or something. Which just seems counterintuitive, because you don't want to really move when you're, well, the whole thing about those old bows, when it's, whether it's a recurve or a long bow, is that it's much more of a feel thing. Like you kind of, you have to practice with them a lot, almost like throwing a rock, right?

1:54:45If you throw a rock, or a baseball is better example. When you throw a baseball, you know how far, how much energy you have to put into that throw in order to get into that strike zone, if you're throwing a pitch. So that's like a knowledge of how much force and how you can aim. This is the same thing applies to arrows. You shoot enough arrows. You know like where you have to hold. Thank you, sir. At what distance when you're releasing an arrow? Because you know the arc of the arrow and you feel. It's feel. Let's feel. Compound archery, what I do is very different. It's much more calculated. I have a range finder.

1:55:23It's how many 52 yards I dial it on my site to 50 yards. My pin moves up and down and then I'm holding. So you have a picket in the on your bow? What's a picket in your rail in the front? Yes, I do. Cool. So you put like an aim point on your bow. This is where the site comes out of. The site is slightly left. Why don't you use an optic? Okay. You use a, it's just a clear hole, like a tube with a fiber optic pin in it. And that fiber optic pin is the indicator that tells you what yard it's like if it's up or down. Right. So if it's up that means it's a closed shot. If it's down very low, that means it's a long shot.

1:56:02So it's the arc of the arrow over a course of time. And it's all calculated on this thing called archer's advantage, which is a computer program. Okay. So you put in the speed of the bow, the weight of the arrow, all these different factors. And you put it in and it'll give you a site tape. Nerd. And yeah. Okay. And then you take this site tape and like you dial it into 20 yards. Once you know where 20 yards is, you got that indicator marching market off. And then you put the tape down. And then once you put that tape down, you're good to go to like 100 yards, 110 yards, wherever you want. You just do your hold there.

1:56:33Exactly. Just hold where that pin is. It's a much easier way of shooting a bow than traditional. But do you, do you have a laser rangefinder? Yes. Who makes a rangefinder? Oh, but shit ton of companies. It's the same as like a firearm rangefinder. Yes. Very similar. A lot of the same companies like Vortex, they make a great rangefinder. I use a loop hold, a full draw five, because it actually tells you you put in the arrow speed and all these different factors and it actually shows you the arc of the arrow in the rangefinder. So like if I'm trying to shoot an elk through a pocket in the trees, it's like this big and I'm 35 yards away, I have to know that my arrow is not going to hit the upper branch shore.

1:57:14So I can, because at the height of the arrow, it's higher than when it's going to drop down. So you're putting the pin where it wants to drop down, but it might be like way up here when it's at five yards, 10 yards, 15 yards, and then it's going to drop down into that spot exactly where you want it to go. So this rangefinder, how big is what? The rangefinder. It's a little, it's like a phone, phone size. So like that's it right there. So I have a, like I said, I have a full, it's called a loop hold, full draw five. But I have a vortex one, it's great too, it just doesn't have that thing where you can, the reason why I use the full draw five is that line is gigantic if you're shooting through obstacles and through branches.

1:57:52Because a lot of times an elk will be in an opening, like there's two trees and you know, they're like five feet wide, but this one branch that's above him and you have to do that. See, so that line right there, it shows you the height of the arrow. So like right there, in my mind, I would think that could hit that branch. And is that your hold there? Are you aiming for that spot? No, no, no, no, the hold is where the crosshairs are. Okay, okay. And with that's indicative that the line at the top is indicative of the very height of your arrow when this is its highest point. So that was a long shot.

1:58:23That's 78 yards. It's a little unethical, little unethical. So long, long poke for a deer, but a real elite archer can do it. If you're like, you know, a camhains, that's a shot that he can take. Unethical because you might put him in the knee or something. Yeah, I might fuck that shot up. Yeah. I wouldn't take that shot, but I, but I would on a big animal, like a buffalo or something like that. You have, you know, that the vitals are this big, you know, have you ever shot or what do you call it shooting archery? Like what do you say when shooting? Have you ever shot under like night vision and nonsense?

1:58:59No, that would be wild. But you have a hard time. I do. You'd have a hard time seeing like you wouldn't hold, see, like the thing about archery is and it's one of the beautiful things about it is like everything's repeatable. Like you, you have to have perfect form. So like when I come to full draw, my string touches the tip of my nose. That this is in the corner of the, the, the delup is in the corner of my mouth. It's ever fuck you up. My knuckle is exactly where this, where my jaw lines up. That's where my knuckle sits. It's a repeatable point. Sure. If I have nods on, is, is not going to work.

1:59:37Right. It's, I can't even do it with glasses. I don't even like it with glasses on. It feels weird. It's a, it's like I have to be lined up with that string. And when I'm lined up with that string, all, I don't think about a fucking thing in the world. All I think about is releasing a perfect arrow. That's all I'm thinking about. I'm not thinking about taxes. I need gas. I got to fucking get my car on. I got to buy more arrows. I'm not thinking about any of those things. All I'm thinking of is that spot that I'm aiming at. And I think there's a mind cleansing thing that comes from that. And the release of it.

2:00:09It's got to feel like it's so fucking good. Like, because I tried, the hardest part for me was getting that bow back and holding it. Yes. Holding that string. Yeah. Like, that was the heart. It takes a lot of shoulder. It takes a lot of arm, body's imbalanced. The right side of my body is thicker. Like all the way down my lats, my upper delts. Everything is much thicker on this side because I pull a bow back. Fucking hundred times a day. Yeah. Every day. It's like these muscles. I really have to balance it out. I feel it sometimes. I feel like I have the same thing but from jacking off. That's just which hands.

2:00:48Yeah. Well, stranger. The old stranger. It's hard, man. I have after that experience, I was like, you know what? And plus the first couple times shooting, were you scared of shooting a bow? Yeah. It feels because that is so snappy. And when I was a kid, I had like a little fake bow. And that's why I get the wrist guard. Yes. Because that shit comes and it blew my arm up. It blew my arm up. Let's just see what compound bows do. Compound bow. So if you're pulling back like an 80 pound bow and you have all this force on those cams. When that string comes and fucking slices against your forearm, people get some gnarly fucking bruises there.

2:01:29It looks nasty. It's like mind broke skin. It was like bleed. It was like, it did. It was, it's, yeah, you got to learn proper form, proper form, proper stance. That never happens to me. Couldn't think of a better teacher. You got to get a real archery coach. He just gets you away. He drove Rogan, turn me away for archery lessons. I would 100 % give you archery lessons. Oh, 100. I have a range right here. Oh, it goes to you. I do. I have a fucking 40 yard range. That's amazing. Right here. Who makes the best bow? Um, they're all really good at the highest level. I shoot with a hoi, but there's a company called PSC.

2:02:04They make a great bow. It's a company called Matthews. They make a great bow. Bear makes great bow. If you're going to survive in the archery world, the archery world is very unique in that there's yearly innovation. So hoi puts out new bows every year. It's like an iPhone. Engineers that are constantly tweaking things and they have pro staff guys like camhains. There's a professional archer. Those guys, they all work. Sweet man to he's the best. He's the nicest guy on earth, right? But those guys give them feedback and talk about this is what I like. This is what I want. Can you change this? Can you change that?

2:02:37And then every year they get a little better every fucking year. They get like incrementally better. Do you run like a weight on yours? Yes. Is that what those long stable things are? Are the stabilizers on there? When you have a weight out front, it like it keeps balance a little bit better. And this is hard too. That's not the fucking mentioned pulling the trail. I mean, keeping your arm straight. It's heavy. Yeah. It's not light. No, you have to develop a certain amount of rigidity in your, your form, you know, form is a problem. Yeah. That comes from practice. You just have to practice a lot.

2:03:10Archery is one of those things where you really like my friend John Dudley, who's one of the best archery coaches alive. He practices hours every day. He puts it up on his Instagram, puts his little lessons up on his YouTube. He's shooting arrows out in his yard. He's a giant range. It goes out to like 150 yards or something. And he's shooting out there every day, hours and hours and hours a day. That's why he's so good. There's no shortcuts to figuring out how to be good at that. It just takes constant repetitive practice over and over again, a focus and technique. So what do you think of those guys that can shoot like three arrows?

2:03:47It's pretty wild. It's cool. It is fucking super cool. It's cool. Look, there's a guy that like does like wall. Yeah, he's so sick. I think he's revitalized that whole idea because I think for a long time, they thought that people carried arrows in their quiver and they pulled one out. And he's like, no, there's a lot of like ancient depiction. The treatises in ancient times of guys holding three or four arrows in their hand. Do you think that's what they did? I mean, that's what so that's what's so interesting. Like you look at like hema like like the European martial arts or whatever. And they like get in the armor with the training swords and shit.

2:04:28And they're like, all they can do is interpret these treatises that they had. And the shit that they wrote down like all the different guards and like the way that they would actually fight. Right. Like because there's no video, there's no real tutorial on how to do it. Right. You have to interpret this stuff. Good luck finding a dude who's won a sword fight. Yeah, it's exactly. It's it's it's it's. Crazy. I don't I've never met a dude who's won a sword fight. I thought you know what's what's going on now with slap fighting. That's next. Oh, that's nice. It didn't do it in a dungeon in somewhere.

2:05:05The aliens are going to come back and look at like YouTube. It is like how did they and then take it? I hope you know NFL. I would not be surprised. There's there's a lot of like crazy underground fights that are happening now. Which is really interesting. There are real rules fights on concrete. People fight with sneakers on. Yeah. On which platform? Well, they're just doing it online. And it's like it's getting. I remember like world star fights. Yeah, like that. Like he's like, these are like people fight for money. Yeah, that's like Kimball slice thing, but with no rules. But they're doing wild shit.

2:05:37Like you get paid extra if you could bite a piece of the person off. That's crazy. You can I got website is this is online. There's guys have won like multiple fights in a row by eye gouging. So they get on top of guys and gouge their fucking eyeballs. Yeah. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, it's like four. And no rules. You can bite people. You can do whatever the fuck you want. It's kind of kind of crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, really crazy. And you get paid extra for for eyes brutal fight, globalize out of the house, eye gouging with biting bonus and extra for eating the chunk. Yeah. Millions subscribers.

2:06:14Where are these guys? It looks like a hockey rink or something. Yeah, they're fighting. That looks exactly like a hockey rink. Yeah. And they're fighting on ice. I don't think they're fighting on ice. But I mean, that's the that's the ice multiplier. Well, also, would you be allowed to have spiked shoes and that would that would come into play? That's crazy. Maybe you get paid less for the spike shoes. I'm giving too much of an advantage. Or maybe everybody wears them. Maybe it's just the thing you wear. That's crazy. Ice fights with spike shoes. Someone goes down to get stomped spike shoes. You remember they changed the rules of eye gouging apparently.

2:06:53Okay. No more. Thank God. You still do it. But if you win, you don't get any prize money. Oh God. Wait, eye gouging is a is a is don't include biting. It says is in a currency victory that if you win by eye gouged, but look, they still allow biting. Does don't include biting. Even when they wrote it is this don't include biting. Eye gouging is still permitted, but you don't get paid. That's from that's bro. And I have you know, this is just don't include biting guys. Yeah, it's biting is still cool. What the fuck man biting? That's fucking crazy. That's fucking crazy. Was so was like UFC like one and two.

2:07:29How when did the gloves come in? Well, some guys started wearing gloves on their own like V Tor Belford. UFC 12. What a beast. Yeah. That was the first fight that I have worked. V Tor was one of the first guys to show up with gloves on. He might have been the first. It was hit. No, no. Tank Abbott was the first. I think tank Abbott was the first guy to wear gloves because he realized that those little tiny gloves are only protecting his hands. Right. And I really, especially when you hit his eyes tank Abbott and tank Abbott just went out flat line people with those gloves on because you can really crack someone.

2:08:00If you have your hands taped up nice and you have your wrist taped up nice and you have padding over your knuckles, you can really fucking crack someone. Yeah, but it's hard to do that with just your hands. Well, even doing I never I thought the tape was to let here's tank. What which one UFC six? So he's definitely the first. Yeah, tank dude's got a shirt on bro. Yeah, you could do whatever you want. Yeah, it shoes on. They had shoes. Tank was fucking this. This is one of the craziest knockouts ever because look how he stiffens up. And then tank mocks him. He likes that's crazy. Yeah, dude. Tank was a be a no mouthguard or anything.

2:08:39Well, he might have might have got knocked out, but that's crazy. And I never realized I thought the tape was just a look cool tape on your hands. Yeah, wrists. Oh, it's to protect your hand 100 % because I did a fight scene for an outfit coming film. And I just was my hands and even pretending to hit. I had to fight a guy who's like massive like big ass buff dude, like 300 pounds or just pure fucking and like hitting him. He was like, all right, give it to me. Yeah. And so I wouldn't punch him full force, but I would hit him like 20%. And even then I was like, oh my fucking god, my wrist is like fucked.

2:09:23And I'm not a fighter by any means, but we put the tape on and it just, it was so much more like stable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the whole reason for it. I just thought I look cool. It's just like cool. It does look cool. It definitely looks cooler. Yeah, no, it's 100 % to protect your hand and your wrist. Risks are very fragile. Canelo Avra has just fucked his wrist up. He had to get surgery on his wrist. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. Like I'm, I'm, I'm talking more about Jake. I want to see a UFC fight. You want to see UFC fight with Jake? Yeah. Well, he's not going to fight for the UFC.

2:09:59Well, no, no, I'm going to fight MMA. I'm so sorry. He's got a contract with the PFL, which is another organization. They throw a lot of money around. They just signed Francis and Gano and Jake has a contract with them. So if he has an MMA fight, I think it has to be over there. Where's that? It's PFL. PFL. Yeah. I haven't watched the PFL. It's good. Good fights. Good fighters. They got a lot of elite guys. It's like, you know, a B level organization in terms of, there's only really one A level organization in America. Right. You know, that's the UFC. Right. The other ones are just slightly below, but there's elite guys and all of those.

2:10:34There's elite guys in Bellator that could compete in the UFC. Right. There's elite guys in the PFL. And what is that just contracting? It's like your contracting. Shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's what happened with Francis and Gano, because he was the UFC heavyweight champion and loses title. He relinquishes his title due to contract negotiations and he decided he was going to leave. And so they vacated the title and they gave him a big chunk of money to go to the PFL. Right. I got to watch the PFL fight. Yeah, there's good fights. It's got a wacky point system that you're not going to understand, because I don't understand.

2:11:05I don't understand any points in UFC or boxing. Oh, like when they, like it's like a 10, 9 round, like that kind of thing. Because I'm like, well, you watch and I know, albeit I know nothing about fighting, but I'm like, is that dude definitely one that round? But it always seems to be so close kind of, but it's always like unanimous decision is whenever the judges all agree. Yeah. It's all the same. Right. But I don't, I don't quite understand the whole deal. I don't understand. So what are they going off of? Knockdowns is a big one. Knockdowns a big one. Punches landed is a big one. So what is the ratio?

2:11:50So here, let's take a look at that. What is the ratio between punches thrown and punches landed? How does that affect points? Well, it doesn't. If you still land a lot and you miss a lot, like so if you're a highly active fight, it throws like 150 punches around and you land 50 and your opponent only lands 10, but then only through 30. Right. You still won that round. You just let a lot more volume, a lot more, but even though you're missing, you're, what counts is how many you land. If you don't get penalized for missing, for missing, right? Okay. Because if you're a guy who just throws a lot of fucking punches, you're going to miss a lot of punches too.

2:12:23If you just, if you have some insane cardio and you just go after a guy and throw a insane volume at him, well, you take 100 % of the shots you miss. Isn't that the saying? You miss 100 % of shots you don't take. But you do take 100 % of shots you missed, too. That's a pessimistic version of that a little bit, but it is true. 100 % of the times you missed, you took a shot. That's true. That's unavoidable. My buddy told me that. That's amazing. That's amazing. Nobody wants to think about that. No one thinks about that. You got to go for it. A lot of people go for it. They said, they said Michael Jordan said that.

2:13:05Did he? And then Michael Jordan didn't say that. You might have said it and forgot. You might have been in a competitive trend. You miss 100. Oh, it's Wayne Gretzky. You miss 100 % of the shots you don't take. Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott, and the Kvukas. Michael Scott said that. Oh, that's right. Michael Scott's probably one of the most legendary characters of all time. How about the fact that that guy went on to play that creepy Dupont guy in that movie? What was that movie? The wrestling movie? Fox catcher. Did you ever see that movie? No, sir. It's crazy movie. But he plays this really fucking creepy dude.

2:13:43He did an incredible job. He, the makeup is good. Yeah, it was really good. Good movie. Can't recommend it enough. Channing Tatum? Young Channing Tatum? Yeah. What year is that? 2014, 2014. Steve Carell kills it in that movie. It's a really good movie, man. It's that there's some fucked up things about that movie, like historical inaccuracies. Right. Because it has to do with some real wrestlers. And it took some liberties with the story. Sure. But Steve Carell nails it. If you just want to just see it as a movie, and now think about it being whether it's accurate. Yeah, because I'm totally glueless about it.

2:14:21It's interesting. It's just crazy that that's the guy from the office. He's so good. Yeah, man. He's so crazy. We're doing it. Have you met Channing? Oh my god. He's the best. Is he? Yeah. He's the best fucking guy. I remember I was working on the last album, and we did a whole bunch of shroomies, and just listened to it. He's such a fucking cool motherfucker. Oh, that's, I like it when I hear about cool people. Me too. And you know, it's always scary, because you never really know. I don't know. Like, you never really know. You feel like you know. And that's kind of a whole thing with, you know, the way everything is today is like, oh, I feel like I know.

2:15:00I've seen you before. Right. I see everything that you do. I know where you are 24 hours a day. I know you. Yeah. And it's, it's, I'm looking at you on Snapchat, Matt. Exactly. Well, I'm looking at you on OnlyFans. I know. The magic OnlyFans had a map of where the girls are all the time. That's fucked. No way. No, that'd be terrible. That anybody. But it's so crazy how anyone knows where you are at all times. It's crazy. Someone does. If they're looking for you. By the way, you can't even phone around. I'm a good boy. You're a good guy. I'm just want to let them. Yeah. But Joe's a good boy too.

2:15:36Well, we pair of taxes. We pair taxes and we are not kids. And we definitely pair of taxes. We're only good. We're only good. Only good, not bad. Not bad. It's, it's, I don't know. It's so crazy nowadays. The way that there's, people feel so personal with people. But it's super unpersonal at the same time. Like I remember whenever I started losing my weight, everybody was like, hey, this is what meth looks like. And I started like dancing on stage and having fun and having more energy and just enjoying life again. You know what I mean? Like I mentioned, it was shitty for a long time. But I had my baby and I'm in a great fucking spot.

2:16:29And then the first thing that happens is like, oh, he's on fucking drugs. And I'm like, well, I know there's people that genuinely care. Right. And they're concerned that maybe you aren't drugs. Right. Right. But there's also people that are just like, all right, kids, this is what fucking meth looks like. Yeah. And definitely not on meth. Definitely not on any fucking hard drugs. But you feel an inclination almost as, as a public figure to have to justify something that you don't need to justify. First off, it's nobody's business. Second off, don't just fucking assume everything. You know what I mean?

2:17:08Yeah. You know, it's like, so I was like, hey guys, not on fucking drugs. And I know that's the crazy part is because I know there's people that really give a shit. But there's also a lot of people that are just like mean. You know, people are just mean in general online. You never have to face repercussions. Yeah. They're just not happy with their own life and they want you to fail. And that's what you're reading. You know, that's all that is. It's just someone wants you to be. And then there's, you know, an unusual thing, like all of a sudden you have this unusual amount of energy and joy for life.

2:17:44Yeah. Like, I don't know. No, I'm not buying it. Seems different. I'm not buying it. Something. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. It's got to be something else.

2:17:55It's interesting to see it happen. And I don't know how much you pay attention to social media. Almost none. I read other stuff about other things. But I don't pay attention to anything about me. It's not healthy for you. It's not. I, I, a long time ago I got off. And that was like the best decision I've ever made. But it is a good source of interesting shit. There's a lot of interesting things to pay attention to in the world. But you have to kind of be real careful how you curate it. And I think with some people, what I see, and I follow quite a few people that I can tell that this is what's going on, it's their daily obsession is interacting on Twitter.

2:18:36And like saying things and arguing with people and getting in confrontations and, you know, and dunking on people. Right. So they do it all day long. It's like it's one of their main interactions. It's that with human beings, the amount of time they put into it. It probably dwarfs all the other time they put it in with human beings. Right. And it's a crazy, crazy fucking thing too. Like I'm, who decides what is interesting too? Because I tell you what, the submarine thing, with the submarine that went to go see the Titanic, or not submarine, but the Voltaic Tannic deal, the submersible thing, not once, Joe, in my entire life, have I said, if I get on my phone, and I'm like, hey, or if I'm not even on my phone, if I'm just like, hey, I want a jet ski, I'm thinking about getting a jet ski.

2:19:38And the next time you get on your phone, you get an ad for a jet ski, right? But not once in my life have I been like, oh, like submersibles are very interesting to me. Like I want to go see the fucking Titanic. How was that story everywhere? Well, because the people that were involved were very wealthy. And when wealthy people do stupid shit, we have a certain sense of glee. Like when some wealthy billionaire wants to take a rocket into space and it blows up, people will be like, ha ha. There's a part of that. Right. There's definitely a part of ha ha. If you are a person who gets to watch people do something that you think is really fucking stupid, like get into an unproven watercraft with a GameCube controller.

2:20:27That's been, had people resign because of safety concerns. That's one of those things where when people die like that, people enjoy watching it. They enjoy paying attention to it. Is that weird? They enjoy it. It's also fear. It's the fear of the actual experience of being that person because you could imagine it. You could imagine if you had been talked into it somehow. Everybody says, totally safe. Don't worry. You're like, okay, let's do it. Let's do it. And then you're down there in the ocean. And then you hear a crack. Like, oh, those guys, they died so fast. Supposedly. Okay. Yeah. What I heard is that something failed and it plummeted.

2:21:07And that it was plummeting. They probably knew they were dying as it was plummeting into the ocean. Because the actual collapse would be Jesus Christ. 10th of a second. No, that's what they said. I'm going to imagine the force behind that weight, all that water. If the clouds are a million pounds. A cloud. It's floating in the sky and it's a million pounds. All that shit around you. You're four thousand feet deep in the ocean. That's fucking crazy. Boom. It's just pink mist. Do you think that's never happened before? Of sure it's happened before. It's definitely happened before. And it's just so crazy.

2:21:50Like, I don't know. That's all anybody talked about for a week. Right. And then now, no one fucking talks about it. It just comes in the ocean. Well, because we found out that they died and then there's not much more to say. Other than people go looking into the history of the safety concerns that these engineers had, how did anybody ignore that, how they allow people to do this, and the dude who ran it, they're fascinated by him because he was actually in it. It's not like he just put somebody in it. He went in it himself. So he believed in it. He died with them. He was on that trip. Yes. Which is wild too.

2:22:27So the whole story is, it's a thing when we see someone do something and die. And we think it's unnecessary or stupid. There's a part of us that like has to study it. Because that's how you learned, even if it's something you would never do. That's how you learn to never do that. When you see some guy and he's taking a selfie on a skyscraper and he falls. He's like, Jesus. Just cement it in your head. I don't fucking do that. Don't do that. Don't fucking do that. But that's like, I don't know. That's like evolution. And it's like, you're kind of like, well, you don't want to be up there. Yeah, hi.

2:23:02That's okay. I don't want to go anywhere fucking near that and my body says, yeah, don't fucking go anywhere near that height. And some people like, bro, I want to do chin up some like down, down that low too. Well, it's just, I don't know. Like, I talk a lot of my buddies who served, they're like, oh, yeah, I don't jump out of airplane, like a thousand fucking times. Yo. How? Why? How? Yo, yo. It's not, it's not right. I'm a terrestrial being. It's a terrestrial being. I'm so happy being here. Me too. Like, my friend Brian, his, like, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Don't jump in this dream. Stop.

2:23:41I get sweaty. That's wrong. I get sweaty. I get sweaty hands. He's a mother fucker. I mean, you know what? So crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. Have you seen, oh, fuck, there was a movie about this, like free climber who, Alex Honnold, or you talking about the alpinist? It was a, it was a, it was a, just climber. It wasn't a, like, a nonfiction, it was a fictional movie. Oh, fictional movie. But she would, she climbed up this, like, cell phone tower, right before they were going to tear it down, and she gets, like, stuck up there. Oh, Jesus Christ. And it was, I was, my feet were sweating. And I watch, like, I love horror movies.

2:24:18Like, I love horror movies. All this shit. But watching that, I'm like, yeah, fall. This is, it's, yeah, it's. Do not show me this. Do not show me this. Stop it. Stop it, Jamie. No, don't show me this. I don't want to watch this. Oh, God damn it. It is so, it, I do. Stop, stop, stop. I was so pumped. Because I was like, this movie scared the dog shit out of me. And I love scary movies. I love them. I watch them, like, every fucking night, go to bed all this shit. But that movie scared the shit out of me. There's a movie about a bunch of people that are in a ski resort. And they're on like the last of the, the fucking, what are those things?

2:25:02Gondola, what are those things? The ski, what are the ski lifts? What do they call them? Skilift? Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like a fancy way. Right, that's the indoor ones, right? So they're on the ski lift. And the fucking park shuts down. Like, they try to catch the last one. And the park shuts down. They get stuck. And then they get hunted by wolves. I think it's called frozen. Is it called frozen? Yeah, it's called frozen. Frozen has Elsa in it. That's a different from frozen. Okay. Yeah, you don't want to get the wrong one for your kid. I've seen frozen with Elsa about 30 times, man.

2:25:35This has been fucking frozen. Yeah, where is Elsa? For daddy, daddy's an asshole. Imagine you, eight girls you want to watch frozen. Yeah, look, it says frozen. Stop crying. People used to get eaten by wolves. It was normal. The blanket leg and the wolf's name is Elsa. She's so cute. I think at one point in time a guy tries to climb down. He falls and then the wolves get him. There's a bunch of scenes like this. It's that shit like that. Yeah, this is it. So they get stuck. Fuck that. Yeah. And then the wolves come out. That's such a good concept, though. It was a good movie, man. It was a good movie.

2:26:20And bro. I see the wolves are below them. Huh?

2:26:38Shut up, Jamie. You're goofy. Shut up, Jamie. Yeah, that's scary. That's scary. That's scary. Bro, have you ever been a ski lift and it stops? I'm just why how would you be stuck, though? I like how they tried to add impact in the trailer to the word two. I think he was, if I remember. Two. It was one of those deals where like someone knew somebody and they let them in and then no one knew that they were on the lift. Because they were the last one. They weren't supposed to be skiing. But there were some kids. They snuck in. They got on the lift and no one knew they were on the lift. So when it stopped, no one knew.

2:27:17No one knew there's people on it. That was my biggest fear too, getting lost in like the Walmart and my mom was gone. Like she left me there and there was no one there. But now that I'm older, I realize how badass that would be to be stuck in a Walmart with no one there. That would be like the funnest time ever. If you could get over your anxiety, the fact that you were stuck in a Walmart. Yeah, if I was just my age, I'm 28 and I told my 10 year old self, I was like, you good, you run away from your mom right now. You get stuck in the fucking Walmart. You stay under a shelf until everyone leaves and then you can just fucking go run around.

2:27:53And they always give you a shit about playing with the balls. The balls in the pen, not like your balls. They do? They give you shit about playing with your balls in Walmart too. Whenever you take the big balls out of the thing, you know what I'm talking about? Now they close them up. Really? Yeah, they close them up so the kids don't play with them. Because you don't got to buy it. You just take it out and play with it the whole time you're in Walmart. Right. And then all the kids playing at Walmart. They don't like cutting down sales. Are you kidding me? No one, I can't tell you how many times I walk into a Walmart and I see a bunch of kids fucking having fun and playing and I'm just like, I'm out.

2:28:33Yeah, well it would be the negative effect of kids playing at Walmart. I have to fucking leave, man. There's too many kids playing around here. I guess the only negative would be like if somebody wanted to buy the ball the kid was playing with. Joe, you know there are people that would get pissed about because these kids would throw them at like the old lady and she'd freak out. That's true. Especially in the scene. We've seen the Karen Montage's. It's funny that that one name just took off. Crazy. I know a lot of beautiful Karen's like genuinely named Karen. Really nice people in this stuck. There's stuck with that.

2:29:13It's crazy how names like that. Now that we're in this phase, no one in this generation will name their daughter Karen. Probably not. Yeah, I would like to see like how many people were named Karen in the year 2022. Probably like 10. Sub 10. We're talking Sub 10 too. I bet it was still thousands. I bet there's thousands of thousands of. Sub 10. You got to wonder. You got to wonder. You got to wonder and name Karen and Karen's the type of girl to name their daughter Karen too. She's Karen Jr. Shut the fuck up. Mine here, business. So there must have been a shitty. So like the Karen's of like a hundred years ago were probably Gertrude because there's no Gertrude's anymore.

2:30:00Yeah, Gertrude's got face down. That's a beautiful name. It's lovely. It's lovely. It's got face down. It's got such as bad rap. Yeah. Yeah, there's like the carers of names. The carers are the Gertrude's of a hundred years ago. Yeah. They're like, let me speak to your manager. And then there's, oh, she's such a total Gertrude. It's not interesting that it's super common for men to name their son. The same name as them. Sure. But it's not common for women to do that. It's almost like never. I'd never hear that. I'd never met a junior. Right. Right. Lady. Ever. Yeah. That doesn't exist. That's fascinating.

2:30:40That is a really interesting point. There's show how much more fucked up men are than women. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. This mother fucker is going to be just like him. Just like me. Just like me. Just like me. Just like me. Just like me. Just like me. Just like me. He is literally my co. Yeah. He's my co, manifesting itself. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. It is weird. It's a male thing. Yeah, man. Where's the Barbie movie? No, I have not. No, sir. A lot of people were upset about the Barbie movie. And I left perplexed. Did you see it? Yeah, it was a fun movie. Was it good? It was a fun silly movie about dolls who come to life.

2:31:15But it's, you know, a lot of it is about the patriarchy. Sure. And, you know, it's a comedy. It's a comedy about dolls. Sure. And people are like, you know, people are upset that it's this, you know, like progressive metaphor for life that it's, you know, that they're pushing progressive politics in this, I'm like, it's a fucking doll movie. Yeah. It's a doll movie. Yeah. It's a fun movie about dolls who come to life and try to interact with the real world. And this is Lady in it, who's this mom who, I'm spoiler alert, who makes Barbie. She feels sad because she's playing with Barbie and she has sad feelings.

2:31:56It's a fucking interesting movie. It's like, because I was like, wow, this is a original movie. Like no one's ever done a movie like this before. It's not like anything else you could say. It was bizarre movie, but it was a fun silly movie. I left. But at the end of it, I was like, how did people get outraged at that? Like it make, it was saying it's anti, I know some people personally said it's anti men. I'm like, no, it's, it's making fun of dorks. It's making fun. Right. It's fun. It's, you didn't think it was fun. Like if that was a real person, that happening to them is not fun. Well, Marley and Ryan are just like, amazing.

2:32:32Amazing together. I'm amazing too. I have to say it. I want to see it. Yeah, I just haven't. I enjoyed it. I just didn't understand why people were getting so upset. Like, do you think that's you? Are they making fun? Are they, are all men in this one? Are we going to do this thing where we put all men as men? It's one category that we're not going to judge people as individuals. Right. We're going to pretend that these individuals in this milk who are clearly dorks because they're designed. It's fun. That you don't think like what happens to them and the way it happens isn't like fun. Like I don't understand like why people think that represents all men.

2:33:05It's the dumbest, the dumbest sort of. How does it like, how do, what is, what was the, so the, you said, it's like anti men. They think it has super woke movie. And I just, that's the way to make that movie. It's also a fucking movie about how Barbies are the, the, the dolls that everyone cares about. And Ken is just a fucking accessory, which is real. So when you bring these things into a movie, you make them real life Barbie land. Right. That's how they have to be because that's how it is in the real world. Right. Like that, that's the movie. Right. And then the movie, they go to the real world and the were will it sucks and it's run by men.

2:33:41And so this is what people are saying makes this an anti men. Concept that. It's like fucking fun movie man. I don't get it. I just, I'm, I'm appalled at how easily outraged so many people are. I could see if you don't like it. I could see if you, it wasn't your kind of movie. But that's anything that someone says. Well, to be honest, to be fair about that, like, it's also like, you said it's not your kind of movie. It's also the Barbie movie. Right. You have to kind of, you have to kind of like, you can't go in there. If you're walking so seriously about it. Right. Why would you go to see AC DC if you fucking hate AC DC?

2:34:23Yeah. If you're like into classical music, it's just to make fun of Brian Johnson. You know, you know, I'm fucking Scott, man. You know that. That's, I'm scared of that shit. I'm scared that people buy tickets to come and make fun of me. That's like my biggest fear. That's my biggest fear. I haven't seen it yet. And hopefully don't see that. But it's all right. Cause I still sold a ticket. Go ahead, sit in the front with your frown on. But it's actually really nice. This tour has been really nice. I feel like looking out at the crowd, it's not so phone centric, which everything has become. Yeah.

2:35:11It's really nice to be able to like interact with people because you go and see a show and everybody and their dog has their phone out. You know what I mean? It's, I feel like this tour has been less phone centric, which is like a beautiful thing for me as a, like a performer. Yeah. They're tuned in. They're actually having a unique experience. Yeah. Yeah. A live performance experience. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, you know, is everything is like, oh, Pixar didn't happen. You know what I mean? Right, right. You could just, they used to tell crazy fucking stories like, well, okay, this dude fought like six dudes and by himself, all this shit.

2:35:55But like, you could just take someone's word that it was like cool. Like, you can just be like, that was, it was fun. We had so much fun. Oh, sick. You got even pizza. No, I just had a great fucking time. Just enjoy the content. Yeah. Yeah. It just have a human experience. But I get also what people want to say that they were there and say they love you and, you know, show was awesome. Yeah. You had a great fucking time. Here's a photo of you on stage rocking out. It's like it adds the experience for them. Yeah. I mean, that's bad ass. That's bad ass to take photos and videos and shit of your favorite moments.

2:36:29Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing because I don't want someone, I don't want to go up on stage and have someone just playing fucking candy crush. And you know, I mean, that's like, that's the most expensive candy crush games all time. I mean, they just like candy crush with you in the background. This is just like, but then it's just like, oh, it's like candy crush with me in the background. It'll be just like, oh, like I'm at home. Yeah. Candy Crush with a home video on arena, staring at their phone, playing the game with you right behind them saying, it sounded like chameleon eyes. You could play candy crush here and then just go back to the room.

2:37:04So much stimuli. I think that actually might be fun. I think that might be I think I should just play candy crush on stage. I think that's actually my new shit. So I'll just go play candy. Not an ad or not a sponsor. What is that subway surfers one? Oh, yeah, that one is it. That game is crack. That game is right. It's so addictive. My wife got into that one for a while. So then one of my daughters still watching that game is like, get that fucking thing that away from me. I've been playing Marvel snap. Jamie, you play Marvel snap? What's that? It's like the Marvel card game. Oh, what about that cool card?

2:37:42Oh, yeah, fuck, man. Would you buy? You bought some wacky card, right? I bought a crazy, crazy card. Probably the dumbest thing. Not dumbest, but like most irresponsible use of my money I've ever experienced. I bought a two -million dollar magic to gathering card. Wow. What kind of market is there for a two -million dollar? Are you bidding against yourself? Are there other people that are like, I'm in. He was like, all right, well, Pose said you get two five four, and I said fuck. Two six. But man, I don't know. It's so it's Lord of the Rings magic to gathering collab they did.

2:38:24And there's only one of them. There's only one card. There's only one of them. So out of all the boosters, all the collectors packs they sold, that was the one. And a guy in Toronto, his name's Brooke, he's an absolute fucking legend. And he worked at Costco and he went to his local game store. And I don't know exactly how much he wants me to share. But he went to his local game store and pulled it out of a pack. And it was a two -million dollar card. Wow. Isn't that crazy? It literally is like Willy Wonka's fucking golden ticket. Yeah, man. It's so fucking cool. Well, it's long as it gives you joy.

2:39:14Very much so. I would give that away. Somebody gave me one of those. I'd give it to you. I'd be like, I don't know what to do with this. Fuck, I wish you pulled that. I wish you pulled that. I would have just gave it to you. 100 % I would have just gave it to you. But yeah, I don't know. I love... Have you ever played Magic the Guy? No. Joe Rogan. You would be a beast. I don't think I would. Isn't it a card game? Yes, sir. Yeah. You don't play poker or nothing? No. Nothing. I appreciate it. I watched a bunch of people play Blackjack and Vegas, Dane of White and a bunch of people. I love Blackjack.

2:39:53I was like, oh, that's so scary. There were betting so much money. It was terrifying. Isn't it fun? Yeah. I enjoy watching. But I have an addictive personality, particularly when it comes to games. Sure. I get very addicted to games. So I have to be very careful because I make casinos all the time because I'm at UFC fights. So I'm in Vegas all the time. I cannot be that guy. Well, Magic's not a gambling game. You know, bet for money. You just play. Okay. And it's like... So there's over like... Jamie, would you let me know how many magic cards? I think there's over 30 ,000 unique magic cards right now.

2:40:28And so you're playing and how does it work? You get Delta Hand. No, you draw from your deck. So if you're playing Commander, it'll be you, me, and then two of our other buddies. Okay. Oh, shit. There's 40 ,000 units. And 9 ,998 total unique English language magic cards. Isn't that fucking crazy? So think about it. And the way that it works, it's like chess. It's just very... It's a game of nuance. And it's just like... It's the best game ever created. Really? Ever created. Wow. In history. Wow. I don't have time for that game. No, that's... If you don't have time for Diablo, don't get into magic.

2:41:08I can't. Because this shit will eat your fucking life. It is like... In a good way. I enjoy playing. Like getting... Getting together with my buddies. And you just got three of your good friends, including me. And you're just sitting there smoking, drinking, talking shit, just like this. But you're also a fucking playing chess with over 50 ,000 different pieces you could utilize and create whatever the fuck you want with. It's... It's an amazing experience. Okay. I see it. I see what you're saying. Obviously, there's a large group of people that believe that as well that agree with you. I mean, it's a huge game.

2:41:53It's huge. It's the best game ever created. What is the number one game that people are playing right now? If you add it out in video games, chess, everything. It's like the number one game. Grand Theft Auto 5 or... Probably like Baldur's Gate is massive right now. They had like 600 ,000 people right now. But maybe Fortnite? Yeah. Fortnite's still... Still Fortnite's killing it. Fortnite's been around a while now, right? It's...look up like most concurrent players, Jamie. Oh, Minecraft. Minecraft for Roblox, probably. Roblox. Roblox. He didn't do it the same way. Minecraft. Roblox. Yeah, Roblox is very popular with the kids.

2:42:46Your kids play Roblox? Yeah, they play Roblox. How much money have you given to them? Roblox. Or did they just... Yeah, for the Roblox. It's still in Roblox. It's a fucking addictive game though. But all good games are very addictive. That's the whole thing. They're engaging. And they're way more engaging than regular life. If you're playing a game of like Quake when you're running down these alleyways, and people shooting rockets at you, it's so stimulating. But when I was done, I never felt good. Like, I can play pool for hours. And when I've done it, feel good. I feel fine. Like, I had fun.

2:43:20But when I'm playing games, when it's over, my body's all cracked out. I'm like, yeeeah. It's the same with beer pong. Beer pong, I can play forever. Yeah, it's fun, right? It's a physical thing you're doing. Yeah, like pool is a very... It's a physical, mental thing that you're doing. But there's something about video games that just stimulate your brain at high revs. Just purr. Your first person, shooters, rocket launchers, and you're running around the map, and you hear the guy behind you, and you're ducking this way, and jumping down, running, trying to get the health. Ah! It's just so stimulating.

2:43:54Yeah, it's right in your fucking face. Yeah, it's so... And the visuals are so insane now. The graphics are incredible. Why do you think that VR isn't as big as it was... Plan to be. I don't think you can force anything on people. I don't think you can have some big mark in the campaign and get people into something. You just have to show that you have a product in and find out how many people are interested in that product. Right. I mean, promote it for sure, but I don't think people want to wear that thing in their head. No, sir. And they also don't want to be stuck in a house not knowing what's actually out there.

2:44:33Oh, and tripping over your dog. Like a wall. All stepping on your cat. You know, like, you just walking around there. I think my baby tripped me on purpose the other day. I was playing nuts. My friend Matt Cera, he plays a bunch of different games with VR. And like, he had people over his house and he was yelling and screaming in the other room and his wife had a comment, like, just the fuck up. We have guests. Yeah, we have guests. And he's got this fucking helmet on and he's screaming and doing some wacky first person shooter. In VR. Yeah, in VR. I like to imagine that's a... You hear stories about Prince's parties and how you'd have people over to his house, but never see them.

2:45:13Very like great Gatsby style. Oh, really? And you'd just buy like McDonald's fries for everybody and be like, check in on the intercom and be like, I hope everybody's having fun. That's so weird. That's so weird. I like to imagine he had the first VR headset and he was just up in the fucking room cussing and yelling. Like, then that's so weird. Yeah, I mean, that's at the end of the day, right? If you are exuberantly successful and you know you have that wealth, like, I can only imagine like what some of these billionaire parties are like, you never see the fucker that throws it. He's like, oh, I bought this house for this party.

2:45:55I don't want to hang out with any of you motherfuckers. I just want to show you that I can do this. You know what I mean? And how much joy does that bring you? You know what I mean? It's weird. That's weird. That's why I've never been. I've never been to a billionaire's party. I've never been to a billionaire's party either. Dana's got to be getting up there, no? Yeah, he's close. He's probably worth half or more. Maybe even more than that. I don't know what his finances are, but he's very wealthy. Wait, he doesn't tell you verbatim. I don't know. He doesn't send you tax savings. I call them up the other day, they didn't respond.

2:46:27I asked him about tax returns. He is a party. But I know he fucking gambles a shitload, man. He loves it. But that's his thing. He fucking loves it. And he's good at it. He wins a lot. I tease. He's, you know, he loves it. That's his fun. Right. He likes gambling. He likes gambling high stakes. For me, I'm not that rich, but I've been lucky enough to experience wealth. You know what I mean? And be able to enjoy nicer stuff. Yeah. Going to Vegas, you, you, at a certain point, doing what you do, we talked about getting, like, you want to find, it's like a rush. It's like, you play for that kind of rush.

2:47:21It's like, so you, if you play, like I go and I play like five dollar hands with my buddies and stuff. But whenever, you know, all my friends leave and stuff, I want to go and I want to do, like, I want to play like $40 ,000 and spread it out across and I want to play. You know what I mean? Because it's so hard to get excited. About five bucks. Sure. Right. You know what I mean? And that's how they fucking get shit. They really play to that ego and they're like, oh, you're, you're hot shit. Okay, come play. Come play. We would love to play with you. And then you want to feel that you want your nuts to fucking tingle and you want to be like, oh, man, I need an extra chair for my nuts, man.

2:48:09And then you want to let it all fucking right out. I get it. I was watching it. I was watching them bet $60 ,000 a hand and my hands got clammy. I was like, this is wild. Whenever you win that, that rush is like fucking nothing else. I don't gamble anymore. I went to Vegas recently and I lost off fucked out of money and somehow my Vegas trip always end up with me on the foot of my bed and I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. What an idiot. I wouldn't fucking ask. I play Blackjack. Yeah. Yeah. Are you a risk taker? Are you going to hit on 17 kind of guy? No, not 17. 16. 16 is debatable. You know, people are like, oh, you go to stay on the 16.

2:48:51But you want to let it ride sometimes. I don't know. I usually, I usually let a 16 ride. I usually just let it go because I just, I'm like, there's no way. God is either really fucking funny and he's like, because whenever I hit, I always bust and then the next time they'll flip over a five. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, it's, it's a cosmic joke, but it's so much fun. It's too much fun. That's the problem. Exactly. That's why I don't go play. It's this weird, artificial, hijacking of your human reward system. You know, it's just like, it puts you in this position where you can choose the amount of threat and danger and the amount of victory, the amount, like you could choose what to engage in.

2:49:38That's dangerous, but it doesn't have any physical consequences. Just, you just lose money. Yeah. Like, that's my, that's my doing a wire act. I can pull up on the fucking building that is too tall. It's ungodly. It's ungodly. That's exactly what it's like. It's that same kind of rush, I think, of doing a very dangerous thing, like a wild thing. But I think it's good now. I don't know, like, you see all the deals in the casino, like, hey, you can talk to me. You know what I mean? Like, if you have a problem, you know, like, if you want to reach out and talk to somebody about how much you gamble, there's all these pamphlets and brochures and I've never met anyone who's had to call one or never called one.

2:50:33And but I don't know. I think that's a good thing. And I don't know how much, how helpful they are. Probably very not. Unless they have a bad, hard mushroom for you. Well, no, yeah, unless they have a fat mushroom. Well, you know, actually, rather go do some fucking mushrooms. You guys go on the forest and you find out why you're into gambling. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Then you break it all fucking out. Yeah. And then you'll stop gambling. Yeah, man. It's so stupid. I don't gamble anymore. I've been to Vegas and like three days. I haven't been to Vegas in like fucking four days. I've never, I've very, very, very rarely gamble.

2:51:07I was there once for a show that a friend of mine was doing. I was riding with my wife. We played a little bit of blackjack. We played for like an hour. I was like, this is kind of stupid. Let's get out of here. It's just I get it. I get the rush. I don't want to be a part of it. I don't have any time. It's not worth it anymore. I got no time for that. Have you, have you since moving to this new building? I had a thought, Papa. Have you experienced any hauntings? I am so glad you brought that up. It's see I can read him. I knew it. It's not about this building. It's about where my club is. My club is I bought the Ritz Theater, which is an ancient theater in an old theater, historic theater.

2:51:50It's like 2000 years old. It's 1927. So it's been a pool hall. It was like a Newtie bar, one point or a Menuti movie theater. It was a rock and roll club. Jimmy Hendrix performed there. There's a photo as you're getting towards a stage as a framed photo of Hendrix. It's not Hendrix, excuse me. Steve Varevon. Steve Varevon on that stage in 1983. Oh, dude. This is my favorite. He's like my favorite. I fucking like him. He's the best guitar player of all time. Except for Brad Paisley. And Hendrix. Hendrix is good. Oh, how dare you. I know, I'm so sorry. He's the pioneer. I know. I know the shit that he did with Sound, but I guess I'm more of a control guy when it comes to like tone.

2:52:36Like his tone was impeccable. But like, I don't know, like control is super, like watching those like Pat Muthini and like Eric Johnson and shit watching. Sorry to go on. No, no, that's please I want to hear it. Because I mean, I agree. Steve Varevon was a master. There's no ifans or butts about it. He was amazing. The point is there's a photo of him as you're walking towards a stage, him on that stage in 1983. And someone apparently, I need to find this out but Google murder at the Ritz Theater. Because people that know the building are now telling me that at one point in time, someone was murdered there on the second floor.

2:53:22Supposedly, I haven't even looked it up. But I am bringing in ghost hunters. To the building? Yes. Who? Sam and Colby, those guys on YouTube, they've had them on the podcast before. They're kids and they, well, they're your age. They go to these houses and call you a kid. You're being a little weird. You're a man's son. I've been working. It took me like 28 years to grow. It's got damage. That's a brilliant fucking man beard. It's us. That's a real beard. I'm waiting for the clothes up. And then we're good. But I'm going to have these guys bring in their equipment, go in there late at night and see what they find.

2:53:57I haven't had anybody say that they've had anything weird happening. Nothing. But the building feels like it knows you. It's like charged. Well, it's old. I think that things contain memories. I think that's why people don't want to buy a house or someone was murdered in it. It's a stone tape theory. I just show you a theory. Give me it. No, I mean, it's just like... It's just that shit imprints with energy and history. And I think that's totally true. I mean, you can walk into a place. You walk into a new house and it feels empty as fuck. But you walk into an old house and you're like... And that could just be...

2:54:42You know, this is an old house. Fuck, there's got to be some history here. This is a new house. There's no history here. This is completely Blake Slay. But you feel it. You feel it. You're like, there's some shit that happened here. Whether good or bad or just families and families that had a natural family progression or a fucking house where the daughter whatever murdered everybody with an axe, whatever, you know? But there's always... I don't know, you feel shit. It's totally possible things contain some kind of memory or some kind of feeling to them. Something. That's one of the interesting things about...

2:55:25when you're in the woods is the indifference that you feel. You feel nature's indifference to you. That's one of the more humbling things. That makes people feel uneasy. Very uneasy. But it's also because you stepped into a world that is just tooth and claw. Fucking eat you alive. Yeah, and they're eating things around you all the time. That's exactly how population is controlled. There's predators around you all the time. Ice front. Yeah, ice front. And that there's an indifference to... when you're in the mountains, there's this feeling of indifference that the mountains have to you. That's very humbling.

2:56:02It's very centering. That's just like, well... Going to Utah and seeing the mountains, I'm like, fuck dude, I'm a fucking... I'm a bug. Yeah, you're bugging. And the grand scheme of fucking everything. And the grand scheme of the universe, I'm an amoeba. Yeah. I'm so fucking small and try and be fucking as cool as you fucking can to people. Be nice. Yeah, you have control. Yeah, exactly. That's the only thing you have control over. It's how you treat other people. It's the only time. Yeah. And how you treat yourself. That's a big one, too. Like some people, they treat other people so well, and then they get someone in their life that really shouldn't be in their life and it's ruining it.

2:56:39And they don't treat themselves well by extracting themselves from the situation. Yeah. There's that, too. It's... But those mountains, the woods, the mountains, it's just like, fuck, it makes you think about that shit. Yeah. That's why you see, like, you know, like, the tale of the fucking hermit, that is the smartest person you'll ever fucking meet, but never sees anyone. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like, it's so... There's a beauty to that part of the world, especially mountains, for some reason. There's a beauty, like, when the sun is coming up and the sun is shining through the trees and you see the green pastures and you just, you look at it and you go, my God, this is beautiful.

2:57:22It's like a feeling that you have... It's not like any other art form. It's nature's art form. But it has the same kind of feeling when you see, like, a beautiful piece of art. There's this feeling of appreciation that people have for things that are beautiful. And I think it's one of the only creatures on Earth that probably has that. I don't think we're... I don't think that we have any other animals on this Earth that appreciate beauty the way we do. Like, we weave. It gives us a feeling. We stare at it. We're entranced by it. We're entranced by beauty. Physical beauty. People that are beautiful, things that are beautiful, art that's beautiful.

2:58:05We have this massive fascination with beautiful things. And when you see the beauty of nature, it's the most humbling of all of them. The stars, the most humbling of all. It's great. I hate space. Did you hate it? I hate space. I hate the stars. I hate everything. I know. That's the fucking worst part. Is it scary? That's the part that scares me. That's the part that scares me. You look at... You look at, like, all... The near misses and all that shit. Who knows if it's even real. The part that scares me is we know nothing about it. There's one company or not company, but one organization that knows about it.

2:58:55We don't really know about it. In terms of asteroids and space. Yeah, or like NASA. NASA knows about it. We don't know about it. We go off of what they tell us. And I think that's the scariest fucking part. And I'll look at a star, or it might be Mercury, or it might be fucking Mars or whatever. And it's so bright, and I'm like, oh, fuck, it's over. Okay, fuck. And then I look at it for a little bit.

2:59:25For a couple minutes. And I'm like, okay, it's not moving. We're good. It's scary. That scares me. I remember the whole 2012 deal. Oh, December 21st 2012. Yeah, I was in high school on the whole 2012 deal. And I went to church. For two weeks right before, because I was licking into all that shit. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to church. Just in case that it fucking happened. Just in case. And I remember the day I was in school. And it was December 21st 2012. And it started raining crazy. And I was like, fuck, guys. It's happening. Oh, fuck, dude. Oh, my God. Fuck, dude. But hey, I'm still here.

3:00:10We're still here. Yeah, I was surprised by that one. I thought something was going to happen. Did you buy into it? Oh, yeah. I had a license plate on my car. It said, I think it said December 2021. Those are my license plate. DEC 2021. Yeah. Or 2012. What did you think was going to happen? Is either, is there DEC 2021 or DEC 2012? I think it was 2012. What did you think was going to happen? Like, what theory did you, how old were you? How old was I in 2001? I guess I was probably like 31 or two or something like that? How old was I? I don't know. You got good. How old was it? Jamie, how old was Joe Rogan in 2012?

3:00:56What, I have to think. It was 11 years ago. There you go. No, no, no, no. 2012. No. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is it weird? I'm thinking of 2001. 2001 was another one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Y2K. I got confused because that, no, no, no. Let me, let me back up. December 21st, 2012 was the one that was the end of the mind calendar. That was the long cop. I bought it in the, so I think it was DEC 2012. It was my life's plate. But I was really worried, even more so, about the one in 2000, the Y2K one. That was a weird one where people thought that all the clocks were going to stop and all the computers won't work. Well, how did they justify that?

3:01:37They were saying that the programs, the computer programs that were running everything. They were switched to twos? Well, it's when it goes from 19s to twos. Right. The whole thing, apparently they were worried that it was going to have this ripple effect across the country. And the stock market would crash and banks would dissolve, like, wild shit would happen. The fucking power grid would go down. It was mostly bullshit. But everybody was terrified. And me too. I was like, I was on the phone with a friend of mine from New York. Like, dude, we're going to ride this out together. And then we were drinking in the archery.

3:02:13We were on the phone. He was drinking in New York and I was drinking in California. While we were talking on the phone, we talked for like three hours. And then they ain't shit happening, man. Everything still works. The fucking internet works, computers work, TV works. Everything's fine. Well, I don't understand the logic. I don't get the logic. But I was, because I was, I was 95. So I was like five reading about, I would see the paper on the counter and I'd be like, Oh, why 2K? Everything's fucking ending. Yeah. And I was like, oh my fucking god, mom, everything's fucking ending, I'm just kidding.

3:02:48But then you look back and it's like, well, why would, why would the year of changing over affect computers? Like, why would it change? It's the way they were coded. It's very primitive coding when they first started the computers that run the power grids and all those other things. It's all zero and one, though. I don't understand it, man. You're talking to the wrong dude. Me fucking too. But from my perspective, I'm like, it's all zero and one. It's all zero and one. Why would just because, just because you have the app that says not an app. Yeah, Jamie explaining to us. I think explanation, but it's, I mean, you're on it.

3:03:22It's just other countries didn't do it, which I didn't know that. They didn't have any, they didn't talk to me. No, why two guys? No, they talked about it. Everyone talked about this. But they didn't do anything to do with it. Do you have spam? It's probably scam. That's what it sounds like to me. It's fucking, it's monkey pox, bro. Because it doesn't make sense. It's literally a fucking widget. It's a fucking widget on your fucking computer that tells you what year it is. Yeah. The smartest people in the world couldn't be like, well, we didn't change any of the fucking code on the fucking computer.

3:03:53Why would it fuck anything up just because the widget says that it's 2000? Yeah. What they were saying, I guess, here's the further up that like power plants, for instance, have a whole bunch of automated things in those were in threat. That's it. But for what? Just take the date out of it. It's zeroes and one. It's zeroes and one. It still is. You're so smart. You should work for them. That's just, they scared us all. I wonder if they, it was all bullshit. They just wanted a reason why they could be. It has to be. It has to be. I wouldn't be shocked if it was just something to sell newspapers and the media pumped it up.

3:04:31It made it a big thing and talked to the biggest fear mongers and got everybody fucking terrified of it. It has to be because then I was so scared. But now I'm like, why doesn't it even make any sense? So December 21st, 2012, I thought something was going to happen. And maybe something did. Maybe in the greater scheme of time as we look back on the changing of the errors of humanity. Maybe that's when we began our cultural slide. It might be, joy, I think about that a lot. It's, it might be a thing where like, like ancient civilizations have calculated. They sort of charted out the errors of civilizations and that civilizations would go through these periods.

3:05:11And then they would have these rebuildings and then they'd get soft and they'd fall apart. And then there's that 400 year cycle. That's 400 year cycle. Yeah, the Kali Yuga. And that's where we're at now, the age of confusion. It seems like that makes sense to me that seems like when you have people, like the World War II guys with the fucking guns on acid, there's a different breed of human. Right. Those trench warfare guys, that's a different breed of human beings. Not even boys, just fucking smoking and smoking cigarettes in the fucking trenches. And like, if I see a motherfucker, stabbing him, it's crazy.

3:05:46Crazy. Just living your life like that. But now war's not even like that. What is in Ukraine? War is so, well now it's fucking drones. Yeah, but there's a lot of fucking actual gun fights in Ukraine that you can watch on Telegram now. The crazy thing is the guns they're using. Like the guns they're using are like, War War II guns and they had like, and a gun that was electronically operated, that they soldered on a trigger and a grip too and a stock on, so they could use that gun. Like it's just crazy the resources that they're using right now. And it's really, really fucking scary. It's just scary that there's a ground war.

3:06:33It's going on right now. Between two countries that used to be a part of the same union. It's fucking scary, man. It's crazy. Because I think when people get through wars, when they get through like a civilization, get through an era, they have this feeling like a lesson was learned. I don't think we learn our lessons, especially when there's a lot of money involved in continuing the same kind of behavior. And I think that's what we find ourselves right now. And that's where the people that are very alarmed by this, and they're really scared by this. I think they're right. This is the time to be very alarmed.

3:07:06Because it just seems people are way too casual about wanting this to happen and wanting us to fund this and beat Russia. And this whole craziness of war. It's so complicated too with the UN and NATO. And it's so complicated. It's so, all of it is like there's so much going on that's... Well, they're trying to play magic. Like the fucking gathering. Right. And the fucking world with real fucking people. Right. And this doesn't just affect Ukraine or Russia. This affects everything. If they start nuke in each other, oh my God. Oh, it's over. Joe, it's over. Oh my God. It's over. Oh my God. It's one nuke.

3:07:52It's over. Yeah. One nuke, it's over. And the nuke that we have today, we saw what they did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those are a fraction of the power that they have now. These things are obliterators. Not only a fraction of the power, but the amount that we have in this fucking world today. And they have supersonic missiles now. They have supersonic missiles that can change directions. So they're going towards Miami and they hook a left. Well, yeah. And then the fucking Poseidon too, the Poseidon missile will cause a tsunami. Jesus Christ. They'll shoot a missile that'll fucking the B83, the largest deployed in the US nuclear warhead.

3:08:36It's equivalent to 80 Hiroshima size bombs. 80. Holy fuck. That shit is crazy. You can see if you hold your hand up. Look at that number. The US nuclear arsenal has 5 ,244 nuclear weapons. How to totally yield of 857 .6 megatons or the equivalent of 57 ,173 Hiroshima size bombs. By the way, that's a half of the explosion on Mars. Allegedly. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. Imagine it. And maybe esrael's matter, it's not around the sea, but videos with the best of aquariums. It's crazy with them. Maybe that's why the aliens visit us.

3:09:26How crazy with this? To warn us or whatever it's trying to hold. i think i already. The Russian one. I don't know if it's Russian or Chinese but. Does it's real. — …up Sidon, Poseidon may exist. Only as a, what is it? OK. So while some reports claim that Russia's Poseidon missile may exist only as a propaganda scheme, experts generally agree that the system is very real and has received significant resources from the Russian armed forces, although many details remain unknown. So yeah, dude, if they just side down the deeper ice. It's a US Navy nuclear armed submarine launch ballistic missile system.

3:10:07Power, I don't know. What is that? That's Wikipedia, but I'm just trying to see which one I think they're probably different. What does it want? It shoots a wave out. Wow. Intercontinental US or intercontinental nuclear power nuclear armed system autonomous torpedoes. It's very slow but it's possibly unstoppable. I don't like how that's in bold. Yeah, that's not possibly. Anything in bold is bad. As much as they lie to us, I think that's probably 100 % unstoppable. Russia maintains it to be used as tactical nuclear weapon against warships. High -value targets would include aircraft carriers. This is harder to rationalize than the second strike nuclear deterrence role, but as a constant theme, ever since it was first revealed in November 2015, then known as status six has been described as a multi -role system.

3:10:59That's a scary status six. What the fuck does that mean? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think there's people out there playing. You just said it right. There's people out there playing magic, the gathering with real human beings. That's what war is, man. And that's the weird thing about war in this age where people are starting, we're more connected now than we've ever been before. And so we realize like it doesn't make any sense that we're being led by these leaders that have us fighting over territorial swaths of land control of resources. It doesn't make sense. It's just like my religions, right?

3:11:30Yours is not. I'm right, you're wrong. We're going to fuck everything up or try to. As the world becomes more globally oriented in realizing that there's just people, there's people in India, there's just people in China, there's people in Russia, the problems who they're led by. And when they lead you into this position and control the population to position where they can't do anything other than the will of the leaders. Yeah, I'll take one. Thank you. Yes, sir. That's where, I mean, that seems like the only positive direction that I see moving forward is that people think about the world as one place now more.

3:12:09Instead of think, I don't think people are as nationally centric as they used to be. We're paying attention to shit that's going on in Australia. We're paying attention to shit that's going on in Hong Kong. People are really paying attention to the world now that they, I don't think they did as much in the 1950s or the 1960s. I think with the internet, I think people are very tuned in to all kinds of weird shit that's happening everywhere. And that's an interesting thing because I don't know. Would you, would you ever consider living in another country? I would have said Canada up until recently.

3:12:45That Canada's fucking phone apart. All the shit that they did during COVID was just the total wrong direction. The trucker convoy when they froze people in the car. They can make access. They're legal. Bro, they froze people's bank accounts that donated money to the convoy. That's crazy. That's crazy. And what's a peaceful protest, which everybody's supposed to be all about, right? These people that were protesting COVID vaccine mandates and the lockdowns and they, they fucking went after the people that donated, which is crazy. People can track all that shit. Yeah. Well, they tracked everything.

3:13:28They shut their bank accounts down. That's crazy, man. That's by fucking a piece of toast. That makes people self -censor. And that's the terrifying aspect of that. And that's the thing that people won't, well, let's say it's not that big of a deal, the game, their bank accounts back eventually. Look, that's sending you eventually. Eventually. What does that even fucking mean? What does that mean? It's sending a very clear message that they can fuck with you in ways that you probably hadn't thought about before. They can, they can fuck with your money. They can close your bank account. You never even thought about it.

3:13:57Never thought about it. Never even thought about it. Yeah. And that's how you're back down. So how do you feel about the government's digital currency that they were doing? No fucking way. No way. That's what I think. I think that's checkmate. That's game over. That is fucking checkmate. Because if they apply that to a social credit score, if they decide somehow or another that you need some social credit score system, it's for the benefit of society. And they outline that they can track your behavior and your tweets and all your things. You get a score. And if you score in that, they just haven't released the fucking report cards.

3:14:31They haven't sent the report cards home to the parents yet. It's already, everything is already imprinted. Everything is already tracked. Everything is already there. But they just haven't given it a name. They just can't control you to the same extent that they would like. And what they would like to do is to be able to strip you of your money and to be able to lock you down. And then make sure that you comply so that all the other people also comply because they don't want to be stripped of their money. They don't want everything they work for just be taking away instantly overnight and be powerless.

3:15:03No one to call. No one's going to answer your phone. They just decided you fucked up and the rules of the rules. And so then where does that money go? Who takes your money? Who takes? And that's what when people start profiting off of confiscating people's digital currency, it's going to be a real fucking problem. Well people, it's not all fucking currency is digital. Yeah, but the idea of them controlling all of the money. And it's all unilateral. Yeah, it's all the same fucking thing. It's all the same fucking thing. That's a problem. And here's the problem I think is that people are going to do it.

3:15:40Do the convenience of it. Yeah. No one wants to carry around cash anymore. That's already cash is gone. No one wants to carry around cash anymore. I saw a video of a lady paying for her groceries with her fingerprint at Whole Foods. Can I see this? Yeah, she used her handprint. You can do it here. You can do it here? You got it? Wait, Amazon controls it. With your hand? With your handprint. With your handprint. I didn't do it. You just walk up your hand hovers over this thing. It takes a photo of your hand and you pay. Why? Why?

3:16:17Why? People want their handprint in a database. Just in case they murder somebody. They want this crazy. This is crazy. One scan does it all. Amazon one simplifies everyday interactions. It's a free contact service that lets you use your palm to pay, enter or identify yourself. Wow. I remember it was microchips. Yeah. So now you don't even need a fucking microchip. You can just use your pub hairs. You can use your pub hairs. It's a store in Ohio where you just, you don't, I don't think you leave this stuff, but you just tell them what you want and then they just send it to you. I remember it was on store.

3:16:54Well, now they have like honor system stuff in airports and stuff. Really? Where it's like you go and you pick up what you get and then you leave the money. You swipe your card, all this shit. There's no employees in the whole store. That's crazy. It's like little kiosk. You go pick up your chips, you pick up your drink, you pick up whatever you get. There's no more people don't steal. Your sandwich, yep. Wow. That seems like it's not gonna work out. I don't know. I don't know how these are working. Probably better to pay someone 15 bucks an hour or stand there. I'm making sure you don't steal them.

3:17:26Just one guy, just one guy at least. But now I guess you can't and I understand it completely because what if the employee gets hurt or what if someone gets hurt in the situation but like shoplifting is huge because now all these companies have policies to where it's like, yeah, if anything happens, you don't even say anything to the guy. You're not even allowed to stop them. You're supposed people get fired for trying to stop them. You don't even say like, hey, dude, don't fucking steal. I see what's in your fucking shirt. Don't even do that. Like, wasn't there a story recently where a woman got beat up and then they fired her because she was trying to stop the shoplifters?

3:18:07That, I mean, it's all liability thing. It's a liability issue to where it's like that come, the company doesn't want to be liable. Sixty eight -year -old has her job back after she was fired. Public outrage works. After she was fired last month for attempting to stop shoplifters at a low store in Georgia. June 25th, three suspects, lowed over $2 ,000 worth of merchandise into a shopping cart, left low store without paying, police said. And I think she tried to stop them. I think they beat her up too. Which is even sadder that they... Sixty eight -year -old lady. Yeah, these guys are such pieces of shit.

3:18:45They beat up an old lady and then that lady got fired. That's crazy. I'm happy she got her job back. Me too, but she probably doesn't want it. I don't want to get lost anymore. Yeah, she's supposed to. I want to work a corporate. God damn it. It's probably better if they sued her or if she sued them. Right? Would've got a nice, fat paid ass. That's ridiculous. Sucling is getting crazy too. But in that situation, I'm kind of on her side. Look, that's my mom. I know it's not even your shit. I know it's not your shit. But you have... I don't know if you enjoy your job or your... What you do, just a little bit.

3:19:23If you have friends at the store, if you have anything, it's like, don't, you don't gotta take that shit. Like, don't take that shit. I know it's not my shit. I know it's the big head shit. Right. But it's like, you have an inclination to kind of like protect it. It's kind of like, you do this every day. It's every day. It used to be someone would always stop someone from shoplifting. There's always security guard at a store. They keep people from shoplifting. It was normal. Now people just run in in large groups and they just snatch everything and smash glass and steal all those fucking watches.

3:20:00And everyone has to just have to stand there. You walk out. You can't do that because it literally encourages crime because there's very little repercussions. It's crazy that people are going with that. It's just, you know, if you wanted to be a full on conspiracy theorist, you would say, this is someone trying to destabilize society. And that's the way to do it. The way to destabilize society is make things as lawless as possible. And then people will do whatever they need to do in order to bring back some semblance of normalcy. What do I have to do? What rights do I have to give up? What do I have to give up?

3:20:35I'll do it. Well, you got to submit to the one world currency. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then, for real. Yeah. That might look, if you wanted to look at a long term engineering product, you could, a project rather. You could, if you had enough resources and you were clever enough and you planned this out enough, you could engineer the downfall of a society. And you would do it by infecting the universities and entrenching them in a ridiculous, unsupportable ideology and then have people go out in the world with that ideology and think this is a rational way to live life and to run the world. And then, while you're doing that, you're also setting it up so that you have less people get arrested for things, more people get released from prison for things.

3:21:27There would be a bunch of different ways that you could destabilize society. But one of the best ones would be to encourage crime. If you wanted to somehow and another encourage one, you could do it under the guise of making it more fair for all these people that get arrested, making it more fair for, you know, nobody wants to be racist. You just say it's racial injustice and just let more violent criminals out onto the street. If you wanted to destabilize society, it's not saying that prison reform isn't hugely necessary, it is for sure. They need to do a way better job of trying to rehabilitate people as well instead of just incarcerating.

3:22:02Fuck yeah. But letting people out that are violent criminals seems like what I would do if I was trying to destabilize society. I think in easier way, here's what I would do. What would you do if you were an evil dictator? I would just say, I would just shed everybody shit down and say it was an attack from another country. The if New York or LA collapses, the rest of the world follows suit. So talk about a lot, only like fucking 3 % of your money is actually real. The rest is fucking a digital number and we saw it with the bank's collapse saying all these smaller banks. But the payout is 250 grand, you're insured, your money is insured for.

3:22:52You could have a billion dollars in this bank. You're paid out 250 grand. And then where the rest of that money go? Where the fuck did it come? All you need to say is if someone goes in or someone tries to order postmates on their phone, just say, your card's actually not working. Your card's been declined. Everyone's cards get declined at the same fucking time. People are gonna fucking cannibalize themselves within a week. Yeah. And just say it's not, we don't know who's doing it, but this was an outside attack. Yeah. All it takes is, because everything is so digital now, it takes not just like you mentioned in Canada where they're like, okay, people who donated to the bank these guys are getting their bank accounts shut off.

3:23:40Imagine that happened to an entire major city. Yeah. Well, if you ever looked in that vulnerability, everywhere. Have you ever looked into how vulnerable the power grid is? I know how vulnerable it is, because in Utah, not even the power grid, but for internet. So, and a disgruntled employee took an axe to a box and shut down the whole fucking place is fucking, like my whole entire side, I live in Cottonwood Heights in Utah and the whole shit went out because some guy was just mad. And he just took a fucking axe to a box. That's crazy. And shut everybody's internet off. And it sucks. It sucks, because I like internet.

3:24:31I like having internet. I gotta watch, I gotta watch the fucking Joe Rogan experience. Wow. It's that vulnerable. It's crazy that he knew how to do it and not get electrocuted. If you had a box and it's filled with wires and you got an axe, when you assume you're gonna die. I don't know how it goes. I don't know how it goes either. I mean, I would be like, I know as I didn't have fucking wifi for fucking four days. Hahaha. Do you think wifi's bad for you? I don't wonder about that. That's a good question. I'd say I remember, oh, COVID scores by wifi all this shit. 5G, 5G, 5G, yeah. But I don't know what is interesting is seeing those little boxes pop up around everywhere, disguised as palm trees in California and just kind of scattered around in New York.

3:25:23The cellphone towers? I don't know. Are they cellphone towers? Yeah. They look like fake trees. Yeah. They have like these little square things on it or these rectangular things on them. It's but smaller, like deployable variants of it, I guess. Cause how big is the cellphone tower? It's big. They're pretty big. I think they probably vary in size too, though. They're probably like a lot of other things if it's dealing with a lot of, you know what's crazy about cell phones? If you're in a place where too many people use them, yours doesn't work. Yeah. You ever experienced that? At the concerts, they don't work.

3:25:56That's wild. That is wild. Why is it? Because there's not enough juice for everybody. They're kind of overselling. They're kind of overselling. It's a, are we running out of bandwidth? Well, there is, if you have a concert and you have 20 ,000 people in a arena and you try to get on your phone, like I experienced it at the UFC all the time. I can't get text messages. They just don't come through sometimes. Depends on the place. Even if you're on the venue, Wi -Fi or whatever. You'd have to get on the venue Wi -Fi, then you'd probably be okay. But when you're just trying to use straight cellular, a lot of times those places, just too many people on the line.

3:26:31But still, I notice how it works before everybody comes to the shows and I'm taking a shit. It works fine. And it works great. And then whenever everybody comes and I'm still on the Wi -Fi, and I got a shit before the show because I don't want to shit my pants on stage, it doesn't work as well. It's out of your shirt. Joe, I got a 10 -1 real quick. Yeah. Do you want to wrap this up, man? We've been going for like three hours. I'm good to go whenever you want. Shall we wrap it up? Sure. How long have we gone, Jamie? Three and a half hours. Oh, let's get the fuck out of here. I'm having a great time.

3:27:03You want to keep going? I would love to. All right, let's keep going. We'll pee and come back. All right, yay.

3:27:11I'm having a great fucking time. I am too. I am too. I am fucking time. Well, this is a, look, I got the greatest job in the world. This is one of the best ones. Just be able to hang out with people. I don't think a lot of people do this anymore. Or they just hang out and talk. Everybody hangs out and talks and looks at their phone, hangs out and talks, and talks to someone else. But it's an interesting, when you just hang out and just talk to someone for hours of the time. You really get to see how they think, and see how they, and it's nice. So it's a fun thing to do, man. I enjoy the shit out of it.

3:27:47Why enjoy being on your show? I enjoy having you. I enjoy you have been so fucking kind to me. This is my second time. How many second time has you got? Quite a few. Cool. Yeah. Why I wanna go for three if I'm on. You can come on every month. I don't know if I'm actually sleeping in a mattress and back of a, come hang out, park that tour bus out back. We're good, dude. Yeah, thank you for letting me park though. Anytime. It's dope. I love that you have a tour bus. It's actually, It doesn't have a bird christian face on it. Who's that? It's Hedgehog. My friend, Bird christian. He's got a tour bus with his face on it.

3:28:24It's very discreet. He's a discreet kind of guy. Yeah, I don't know. Funny dude. It's amazing because I was on, sorry Travis, if you don't want me talking about this. But I've been on Travis Barker's tour bus for a long time. And now I'm on, she's an artist and she let me use her tour bus this time. And the difference between a dude's tour bus and a ladies tour bus is like, fucking night and day. I remember the first time I got on the tour bus, Travis's tour bus. And I go and lay back, it was after the first show because I went and checked it out before. And I was like, oh, this is really nice.

3:29:16And then I go back the first day, or after the first show and go lay down. And then I close the door. It's all like on the hydraulic doors. And so it closes and there's a mirror on the door and there's a picture here. And it looks like a guy like laying down, like a mermaid pose kind of like, kind of like this looking back on the bed. And I get up and I'm like, what the fuck is that? And I get up and I get up and I look closer. And it's Tommy Lee but ass naked on the bed. And he says enjoy the bus, fucker. And I'm like, yeah, this is fucking crazy. So that's how I kicked off my cup of my tours.

3:30:08But that's rare. But not on this bus. Like the fridge is like pink and like works and everything. Travis, your bus is absolutely beautiful. But yeah, it's nice. It's nice. And for whenever the baby and the lady are on the bus, there's like a nice vanity mirror out back for him. My only fear of buses is that you're on the highway. Yeah. And I see too many fucking accident videos. It's fucking scary. It's easy to flip those fuckers. Yeah. I watched this crazy video the other day of this car, rear ends this car and they stop in traffic and then this semi rear ends them. It can't stop and it's trying to change lanes because these guys bumped into each other on the highway.

3:30:56They decided to stop. And then this semi comes through and obliterates them. I'm like, Jesus. It's so heavy. Whoo. It's so much weight and force. When you watch the semi hit the cars, the car is just disintegrate. It is, it's a big vehicle. It's so massive. And then it goes flipping off the fucking side of the guard rail and it's just, Jesus. So that's the thing with me about the tour bus thing. So you never take a tour bus? No. Do you go on tour? I do weekends and I come back home. I do like two weekends in a month. That's do those long. It is nice. It is nice. I don't do it. I just don't do it.

3:31:39I do a lot of comedy. I do it in town and now I do it at my own club. Where's your club? It's a fun on Sixth Street. It's the 1927 place. The place that's haunted. Yes sir. Perhaps. I'll take you there tonight if you want to go. Are you gone? Let's go. Are you gone? I'll go with you. I'll take you. I'm not even supposed to be there. I would love that. It's a nice kill Tony, which is a fun thing to watch, if you've never seen it. No, it's a live comedy show where they have standard comedians. Some of them maybe for the first time ever do one minute in front of like a professional group of comics who talk shit and there's a live band.

3:32:09It's really fun. Is this name Tony? His name's Tony Hitchcliff. He's the most evil host of one of those shows. He's the best ever of hosting a live comedy show. Tony's the best. Let's go. It's, we'll go. Yeah, that sounds amazing. I would absolutely love it. I would love it. We'll go have fun. But like, it's...

3:32:32What are you guys saying? Hey. Cheers Joe Rogan. Cheers my brother. Cheers Joe Rogan. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here, man. No, man. Thanks for being here. I'm excited to see your show tomorrow, too. I'm excited for you to come. Wee. I'm excited for you to come. I am, too. Are you a pit guy or are you like a moron? Is it, it's probably a bit of a problem, if I'm in the pit. We're gonna say it. I'm gonna kinda hot. Yeah, I'll cry. I get a tough, hot icon, I kinda cry. People like to cry on my cock. Is that sure? No. Sick. No. No. I wonder how many people get into a pit to just to try to grab cocks?

3:33:14Just to try to drive Joe Rogan's cock. Just to drive any cock. Not zero. Probably too many. Yeah, this is not zero. For sure, this is a guy out there who's like, I'm assuming Dick's aren't grabbed. No, last time I got 16. This guy just advised tickets to the pit. Just everyone's bouncing around. It's in deliberate or is it like a racetrack? He just keeps scoring. That's his guy needs it. That's his game. That's his deal. He needs it like. That's his deal. That's his deal. How many Dick's can I grab on that? Only grab like Dick's real like $14. He's probably on a forum with a forum with a bunch of other Dick grabbers and they're counting numbers.

3:33:56Oh my god. No, I hope it's none at my show. There's some mosquits where they just essentially are beating each other up. I see a bunch of them. Just be the fuck out of each other. Mosquits are crazy. I was at a show outside of Galanson. It's a gun shop in Utah. I go and hang out and Tim is like the sweetest guy he owns it. And they did a show like right next door. There's like a t -shirt printing place and a sneaker place right next door. So they did a show in like the back alley parking lot deal. And it was like it was a drain show and there was a bunch of like MS paint, like really like some harder bands.

3:34:43And there was this guy there. And he was so fucking big. And you saw like these like skinny like... They look like they were Metallica rockers like in the 80s. Like just like skinny... I remember the story about Metallica. They were like, oh these guys are the ugliest mother fuckers I've ever seen. I'm gonna sign them. Like that's how they got signed. Like shit like that. And these guys were just like leather jacket long hair. Like didn't give a fuck. Just rocking and rolling. And this dude would just fucking swing his fucking arm and like send him out of the pit like instantly. Like I watched him get rocked.

3:35:29I was like fuck dude. I felt so I felt so bad. But they love it. That guy that got signed out with a bloody nose like fucking missing teeth and shit came right fucking back in. He was like let's fucking go. Like yeah, it's like dude those mosh pits get fucking nuts. That's so nuts. Narly. It's not good for you. You they wouldn't let you in the pit. I wouldn't go in the pit. You just be fucking like scissor kicking people. I don't want to get hit but... Was this a mosh pit? Oh my god. Oh my god. They're doing it like 300 style. Look at the dust come up and all this shit. That is the battle of Thermopoly isn't it?

3:36:07Look at this cigarette. Oh he called who's in the middle. Who's in the middle. Oh someone dead. Look at that guy. Jesus Christ dude. How many blown ACLs out there right now? It's like a big tug of war. What are they doing? Oh my god it's the biggest mosh pit in the history of the world. Totally dangerous mosh pits. There's a YouTube video. No those videos. That's a great title. That's a very dangerous mosh pits. The circle pit is good. The circle pits are good. Circle pits are good. You're just kind of running around in a circle. Oh look at the side. Maybe he gives someone in the fucking like on the right side of you a good pop but that's what it is.

3:36:47Just a little jab in there. A subtle dip. Dickrab as you were. Wow. These guys just wanted into each other. Oh my how many fucking headbots you've got. Dude it is like fucking medieval war. It is. Look at that guy. Who is he singing? I think the word he was saying is like. Back that up a second. Back it up early. Exodus. Exodus is amazing. I can't swear.

3:37:19Oh my god this is hysterical. Imagine a dystopian world where the president or your leader was a heavy metal vocalist. Oh holy. What he could get you to do. That guy could win. Run. That guy could run. Run as fast as you can. That fucking guy. I mean that's the kind of shit I would listen to about behind a machine gun. Yeah fuck yeah. That shit for me like as a kid was like it's so soothing. What do you listen to? I have very very very music tastes. Okay fair enough. Yeah I really do. I like to listen to a lot of old stuff. I like to listen to a lot of classic rock. But I also like to listen to a lot of 90s hip hop.

3:38:03I like to listen to modern stuff. I listen to a lot of modern country. Who do you like? I like Zach Bryan. I love Sturgel. I love Sturgel. Zach Bryan is beautiful too. His voice is amazing. I got a chance to see him live when he was in Austin too. And he was on the podcast recently. He's a sweet guy too. Like really genuine genuine guy. Just a super fucking talented singer too man. Dude. Jelly roll. I love that dude. Yeah he's a boss. I like him. He's such a dude. He just seems like a sweet motherfucker. I love him. I love him. I love it. I love it. He's such an appreciative happy. Yes sir. Like loving dude.

3:38:43Yes sir. I met him at my club. He came to see Ron White. And he was like on his way up. We're sending him to the VIP balcony. I just came out to say hi. And he just gave me his giant hug. Just super fucking sweet dude. That's probably a good hug. Real hug. Yeah he looks like he gives me. He's a real one. Yeah I love that. Solid hug. You like Tyler? You like Tyler? Yeah. I love that guy. And culture. And culture. So it's Sturgel, Tyler and culture right now for me. I love all those guys very much. I keep trying to get culture to do the podcast. But he doesn't do podcasts. Well that's what I I hit up culture.

3:39:22I hit up culture and I hit up. No, not at all because I got the same thing with culture. I hit up culture. I was like, hey man. You want to come like jam out sometime. Like let's make a song. And he's like, we you can come make a song on the ranch. And like I was like, okay cool. Amazing. I'm going to make it up one of these days. He's really on a ranch. Yeah. And wild. Yeah. It's his styles are so different too. Like you know, you go from like Kate McCannon to some of the other newer stuff. Yeah. It's almost like it's a different guy. It's very interesting. I love his he came out of the womb smoking a fucking cigarette.

3:40:01Yeah. And it was fucking like the coolest shit. Kate McCannon, the fact that he was 21 when he made that song. It's insane. That's an 80 year old man song. It's insane. It's insane. I remember listening and I was like, oh this he because he's like a couple months if not a year younger than me. And just the way just the like the heartbreak how rich his voices. Yes. Yes. He can like, it's insane. It's insane. And when you see come out of his face, dude and watching that, what is it? The sun king or whatever the brewery shows that they do whenever he was there. Oh yes. Yes. Like the acoustic shows.

3:40:47Sleeping on the black top or whatever he did over there. He looks fucking so young. And where's that voice coming from? And that song is so haunting. Kate McCannon has a haunting song.

3:41:07It's so fucking good. Like to play it for me, James. I'm in it. I'm in it. Jamie came into the studio and goes, oh I know a guy that you're going to love. I've never wanted to sing a pickaxe so hard in my life. And I play a lot of Minecraft. The number one game. I'm going to listen to this.

3:42:02And he sings to me real long. He's helped her where you go.

3:42:13For you, tell the murder Kate McCannon. Damn.

3:42:24When I first met her, when I first met Tom McCannon, I was working in the mine. Have you ever covered this? No, I couldn't. There's no way I could. I think you could do it. I'm green on my... His voice is just like, it's so haunting. It's insane. Perfect amount of reverb. It's perfectly recorded. It's perfectly played. And he's such a good guitar player too. It's like perfectly played. This is such a song.

3:43:07That ain't no lie.

3:43:14Fuck it. Yeah, so good. And it's like... And it's like... And it's like... Well, that's the whole thing. It's like... It's the whole Johnny Cash kind of like... That it's like a crazy... He always sang like murder -ballads. You know what I mean? So it's like super like... It's like, oh, okay, I shot a fucking dude in Reno. Okay, I shot the guy that my wife loves. Like all this shit, like... I don't know. It's very like... It's the original gangster rap. It's the whole... It's an old school... Production, it's the old school voice, it's the old school. And I find like... A lot of the time in country now...

3:43:58It's like... It's very overproduced. And so what I love about... Like culture and Tyler and everything is... It's just like kind of more traditional in that way. Where it's just like that same bounce. You want that boom... Yeah. Boom. You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying. There's a thing where people are trying to make hits, right? Instead of just trying to make something beautiful. You know what? Yeah, it's like that... I guess there's like so much money and making hits... That there's gonna be people... Turns out... Turns out... Turns out, bro. Look at you.

3:44:31Buy a $2 million magic to gather in cards. That actually... The fun part, that wasn't my bank account. That was actually my buddies. A big part of your appeal is your authenticity. That's a big part of why people love you. And I think that... What you're saying is that there's a lot of like overproduction of things. It kind of takes away some of it. Well, sure. And I've... I've rid of that, like that kind of a song. Yeah, and there's a lot of production in my music as well. For sure. And I have like some of them... Yeah, I mean, auto tune in general. Yeah. And some of the most talented producers and instrumentalists and songwriters and shit.

3:45:12And I'm not... I don't want to detract from people who write amazing songs. That's just not like... Whenever I listen to... You know, folk or country... Like, I go towards culture and Tyler and Sturgeon like every time. Because... I don't know. It's that bounce. There's something so magical about that. Classic fucking bounce. You know that cash bounce, that train bounce. And I don't know. And it's just like... There's a lot of songs that... are... country, but it doesn't have that bounce that I love so much. You know what I mean? I do know you mean that. And it's just like... At that point... I...

3:46:07It's a... It's a lot of pop mix -ups. You know what I mean? And that's never been bad. Because what I've always tried to do. And I'm sure people said the same thing about me. Because I sit and play the guitar with 808s and all that shit. And... I just... Whenever I'm listening to that, that makes me feel like... It makes me feel like a hard -ass. You know what I mean? Yeah. It makes me feel like... Like you're on a run. Like exactly. Listen in the culture. I'm like... You're sweating. He does the accapella shit. And I'm like, oh man, I feel like I'm fucking out there with you. But it's also like the choice of music.

3:46:47It's like he's singing a song about despair. And the regret in all of it. And the Ravens mocking him from outside of the prison window. Yeah. It's so good. And he... I'd assume that he writes all his songs. I woulda seen it. I woulda seen it. I woulda seen it. I woulda seen it. I woulda seen it. Bro, try getting someone to write that. Try getting some fucking... Some studio guy to write that. Dude, those guys in Nashville write fucking songs. They write some fucking songs. They do. They do. The tags. I think what makes a good country song is the tag. There's always a tag in like... You look at like classic country.

3:47:33And you know like George Strait. I've got oceanfront property in Arizona. Right. You know what I mean? That's an amazing basis for a song. You just think about like... If you'll buy that, I'll throw the Golden Gate fucking bridge in for free. You know what I mean? It's just like... There's always a good fucking tag. And Luke... Luke, like when he says... When it rains it pours. Like all that shit. Like that fucking... It's snappy. It stays in your fucking head. And you think about it. And those songs are so well written. Crafts of... Of like one idea. You know what I mean? Yeah. And... Culture does a lot of shit where it tells the story.

3:48:20The story of it. But... That idea is always there. And that's something that's so cool. And it just stays with you. And you think about it. And then you go and look up the lyrics. Once you look up the lyrics to a fucking country song, it's fucking crazy. Like have you ever looked up the lyrics to... Clementine? Like oh my darling, Clementine. No. That is a sadist song, right? It's about a prospector or a minor. And his daughter goes... She falls into a river and he can't swim. So he can't savor it. Oh my god. But how long have you known that song? Like... Oh my god.

3:49:06Wow. It's great. It's terrible. It's crazy. Throw the horses to the water every morning just at 9. Hit her foot against the splinter. Fell into the foaming brine. Ruby lips above the water. Blowing bubble soft and fine. But alas, I was no swimmer. So I lost my clamor. Isn't that... You gave me chills right there. Fucking reading it. Oh god. Isn't that crazy, dude? Oh god. But you think, oh my darling. Oh my darling. It sounds so happy. I don't know. You take those songs and you look at fucking what it's about. It's crazy, man. I love looking into that shit. You know what I really like listening to?

3:49:51When I really want to try to imagine a time. I really like listening to Robert Johnson. Yeah, dude. Now listen to Robert Johnson and I just imagine the time and what year was... There's only one good solid recordings of Robert Johnson. It was like one session, I think. I don't think he had more than one album that you can get, right? But what year was that? 1936. That's crazy. And that guy was so good, they thought he sold his soul to the devil. I don't know. I don't know. They're like, there's no one you can be that good. No way. 1936 and 1937. Wow. Most were first released on 78th RPM Records in 1937.

3:50:40Wow. So how did he become such a legend you got to wonder? Did he just go around and everybody knew him? It's a good question. It's a good question. I guess he was just like the Dave Chappelle of blues singers back then. He was just this guy that was above everybody and everybody's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. He would play like just... I love that Delta fucking sound. Give me some Robert Johnson. It's so scrappy. But it's also you got to imagine the time. Like people are just... This is like during the Great Depression, right? People are starving. They're fucked. The world's fucked. It's post -World War I pre -World War II.

3:51:26Horrible time. Just squalor and famine. Hard to get real good food. It's not like there's a whole foods in your fucking neighborhood. Like things were weird back then. And this guy is in the deep south. Oh. This is... How we turn a closet? Well, no money.

3:52:01How we turn a closet? Well, no money.

3:52:13I had a lot of bad memories. Three, four, five, if you please. What's crazy is like all music, recorded music. It has its roots and something from before. Yeah. All of it. You know, this... This emerged. His creation. You know, when this got sold and entered into just the... The zeitgeist of human consciousness. Now they're aware that there's a guy out there that can do this. Because before there wasn't anybody like this guy, right? And then all of a sudden, he comes along and hits this level that nobody had ever hit before. Yeah, you got it. That's crazy. Because like all these ideas like... Who invented a pinch harmonic?

3:53:06Right. Like the... Like on the guitar. Like who's like, you know what? If I hold my pick just right and hit that fucking string, it's gonna sound this different. And I'm gonna make that my signature sound. And then you're just gonna blow up. But that's just something that you do. Like his vibrato on his voice and shit. I think that's something... Whenever I first started making music, that was something that really... Like if not... Uh, propelled me? Was something that was a little different. Because I had a little... I always tried to copy like Stevie Nicks. And there's a guy named Conor O 'Burs from Bright Eyes.

3:53:50And he would have this great like... vibrato in his voice when he sang. And Stevie would too. And I think that... That wasn't being done. And that's just the way I naturally sang as a kid. And it sounded like shit. But as I got older, that's just the way I sang. So I think that kind of was a thing that... I wouldn't say propelled me but made me a little... A little different. You know what I mean? Because everybody has their own unique style. And there's something to listen to for everybody. And I think that was something that really like... It's like, okay, this is... He has a unique voice if that makes fence.

3:54:34Yes. It's like authentic. Very much so. And that's just how I sang since I was a kid. And I think if you like grow up doing something... And I'm in no way comparing it to anything. I'm just saying how that cuts through. Like he played his whole fucking life. Whoa, if fuck. If he did sell his soul, I mean... Fuck. He got a good gig. But you know, that's the whole... The legend. The legend. When someone stands out like that, you're always going to have those kind of stores. But you love to bullshit. You just keep going. And especially like Stevie. Stevie, you could tell when he's playing the guitar.

3:55:25It sounds like Stevie right now. You can tell, but that's just shit you grow up. And you have like a little fucking quirk. You know, like there's a tone that you have whenever... Yeah. Even when you're first starting, like you don't do something perfectly correct. Yeah. But then it turns out to be your thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a sound when guys are playing where you know it's them. It's interesting, right? It's crazy. Especially on a non -vocal... Right. Music, a little instrument. Yeah. The Gary Clark Jr. was a great example of that too. He died the next year after the first time.

3:55:58Wow. He was 27. 27. Just like... Just like... Everybody else. Just like Hendrix, Japlen, Morrison, Kurt Cobain, 27. Fucking crazy dude. That age is nuts for rock stars. Yeah. That's a nutty age. And it seems like if you get through that age, you live to be a million. Well, that's... That's what it is. Rolling stills on door. They're Biden's age. They look great. I remember there was a psychic that on my birthday said I was going to die when I turned 27. Oh, what a cut. I don't know. Oh, cut. She's just lying, making shit up. Well, well, well, now hindsight's always 20, 20, so you lie. But she put that shit in your head, man.

3:56:44Yeah, well, that's why I stopped manifesting the prophecy. Man. But as soon as I turn 28, I'm like, fuck it. I'm getting on every fucking combine, every fucking helicopter, every fucking motor vehicle I see. I'm going. Except for really high buildings. Why, to get what it was all over? Exactly. It's like fuck any... Everything's fine. That cursed. It's crazy how that happened. And also Jim Morrison died when he was 27? Yep. How is he 27? How is he that good? How is he 27? You know, his car is like a source of mystery. There's like one guy claims he has his car, but apparently it's the wrong VIN number.

3:57:24But his car yet a 1967 Shelby GT 500. Cool. And he had it for only like a year or two, and then he sold it, and then there's a provenance of it where people try to track it. Cool. That they fucking like that. He looks like Jesus Christ. He does. If Jesus Christ was here, he'd drive a 1967 Shelby GT 500. If Jesus had a drive, I'll tell you what, he wouldn't be driving a minivan. He'd be driving an American muscle. That's why we would listen. No, he'd be driving a Tesla. No, no, no, no. He'd drive a goddamn American muscle car and realize just plant more trees. They'll eat the gas or something. Look at that though.

3:57:59He was so pumped to have that car. Yeah. To just run next to it. I think he filmed something with it. I think he did some sort of a thing where he filmed himself with the car. I don't remember what he did. I remember with something. But there's like people have tried to track the car. And there's one gentleman on YouTube who says he owns it. It's definitely the same exact car. But whether or not that's the one, I don't know. The Venn number discrepancy. Yeah. But back then everything was written down on paper. Who knows what the fuck people, and also if somebody might have changed the Venns because they were trying to maybe someone stole it from somebody.

3:58:35I don't fucking know. You know, it's like you're dealing with like 50 plus years of shit going down. Who knows what happened. It's your favorite car. I don't really have a favorite car. A favorite specific car. But if I had a favorite kind of car, it would be American muscle cars. Those are my favorite cars. Because those cars, even though they're not the fastest cars, they don't handle the best. Those cars are literally like a rolling piece of art. You're driving around in this iconic time machine of art. You know, someone created this shape, this beautiful shape, and you see that shape. And you go, you see a 69 Mustang.

3:59:16You just go, oh. My dad's got a 69 Camaro. It's blue with stripes. And it is like, no, it is beautiful. That's why I'm saying that. Dad, I'm waiting for you to kick the bucket. Don't you have one of them six wheel hensies? Yeah, that is so crazy. That thing is so gigantic. It's so fun. Do you have a pickup out here? I have one out here. I don't have it here today. Today I drove my Tesla. I drove my electric car. Jesus Christ car. Jesus drive a fucking Shelby. That's blue. Look at that thing. That is so crazy. The six wheel drive car. Now, all that extra weight with those extra two wheels and extra axle in the back.

4:00:00Is that fast still? It's fast. It's bumpy, but it's fast. You'd probably tow a fucking giant boat with that thing, man. That's where all that traction. It is so fun to drive. It is inconvenient in Salt Lake City. How so? Because it stands out. I can't get into any other spots. No parking spots. I can't get into any of the spots. You got to have a car out back. I go to the Abelpees and I'm like, I don't know how many. I try to get it perfect in because I don't want to be the dickhead that blocks any spots. But if I don't go in far enough, it sticks out so fucking big out the back. I just got to go in just a little bit into the next spot.

4:00:46Just a tiny bit. Just like the wench on the front. Well, for most people, that's fine. If you have a regular car. Yeah, you get a nice spot. That's not a spot. Usually, I love the Abelpees, but it's not usually super full. So there's like, you're an Abelpees guy. I love Abelpees. Really? What's it about Abelpees? I love the neighborhood, man. I love the atmosphere. I love the atmosphere. I love the drink they give you that comes with a gummy shark. Which one's that? I don't know. It's called one of them signature cocktails. Yeah, but it's so good. And they have a special mountain dew at Abelpees.

4:01:27They do? It's special? Yeah, it's special. It's only an Abelpees. What's this special? You looking for another one of those? No, I got this one, yeah. It's like a raspberry flavor, I think. It's kind of like space punch. Darkberry bash. Darkberry bash. It's called, actually, NASA uses orange filters on Mars bash.

4:01:50I swear to God, check that shit out. Look into it. I think what Jamie is saying about color correction, though, is accurate. But I was just looking at photos. They all come black and white, I think. Right. I think the thing is that they're just getting data. They're getting data. And that data has to be interpreted into an image. And it's a lot more complicated than like you taking a picture on your iPhone and texting it to me. And I get it. And it's in full resolution. Look up Mars. Look up Mars copy and paste. Look up NASA copy and paste. Let's see if this works. Oh, Mars. Just add Mars for a buzzword.

4:02:26What do you think about all this UFO disclosure shit? Are you paying attention to it? Yes, sir. Yeah. I think it's pretty cool. That's pretty interesting, right? Yeah. You know what's interesting, like how little people seem to care? Because we already know. I know, but it's interesting that like there wasn't like some moment where people like, we're like, holy shit. Aliens are real. There wasn't them. There's a lot of news coming. You think? I think it's because of this slow trickle, it's going to be, we just accept it. Well, they try to normalize it with like, yeah. Like, war the worlds, which is like, the world or battle of Los Angeles and shit like that.

4:03:09That was a real fucking thing that happened. The pictures of battle Los Angeles is crazy. What happened exactly? There's this big object in the sky and we're shooting machine guns at it. We got spotlights. This is like in the 50s, maybe? I remember seeing it. There's this photo. Look at this shit. Wow. So we're putting fucking rounds on this fucking thing. Spotlights on this thing and the sky. Look at the rounds. Right, but what is it? What is it that they see? That's where all you can see is spotlights. 1947, it says in the corner. Boy, that looks like a fucking flying saucer. Look at in the middle.

4:03:53Yeah. But those things around it, those are fucking like madhouse rounds. Like, they're shooting at this fucking thing. They don't know what it is. Well, you know that there's a famous story from the Soviet Union that these guys shot at a UFO and it turned them into stone. Is it true? I don't know. The CIA investigated it. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because I sent it to Jeremy Corbell. That's what I asked him. Fuck, I should have had links, Jamie. God damn it. Well, this is the only link I have. It's CIA, you have both turned into staff. You're definitely on a watch list, Jamie. So there's literally like a CIA document about it.

4:04:37But these guys supposedly shot at a low flying spaceship. According to the KGB materials, a quite low flying spaceship and the shape of a saucer appeared above a military unit that was conducting routine training maneuvers. For unknown reasons, somebody unexpectedly launched a surface -to -air missile and hit the UFO. It fell to Earth not far away and five short humanoids with large heads and large black eyes emerged from it. It is stated in the testimonies by the two soldiers who remained alive that after freeing themselves from the debris, the aliens came close together and then merged into a single object that acquired a spherical shape.

4:05:21That object began to buzz and hiss sharply and then became brilliant white. In a few seconds, the spheres grew much bigger and exploded by flaring up with an extremely bright light. At that very instant, 23 soldiers who had watched the phenomenon turned into stone poles. Poles. Yeah, only two soldiers who stood in the shade and were less exposed to the luminous explosion survived. No shit. The KGB report goes on to say that the remains of the UFO and the petrified soldiers were transferred to a secret scientific research institution near Moscow. Specialists assume that a source of energy that is still unknown to Earthlings instantly changed the structure of the soldiers living organisms, having transformed it into a substance whose molecular composition is no different from that of limestone.

4:06:17It turned them into limestone. It turned them literally into limestone. And this is a CIA report? Well, they're reading from a KGB file, right? So it's just, go to the very bottom of that again, Jamie the very bottom of that. It's one of the things that says, the CIA representative stated, if the KGB file corresponds to reality, this is an extremely menacing case. The aliens possess such weapons and technology that go beyond all our assumptions. They can stand up for themselves if attacked. The other thing is they're saying, if the file corresponds to reality, that means there's a question. If this is real or tough.

4:06:55Yeah, they can fuck with you. What year was this released? I don't know. Source is a newspaper. 1991? 1993. So there, you know, there's all these disclosures that are going on right now. And they're very, very fascinating because it's hard to know what's true and what's not true. But it's interesting that they're talking about it. But no one showed me anything yet. I'm waiting for them to show me things. I've seen some things already, like those videos that they took off the, the, the, the, the flare video in the go fast video. And these, these videos of these things, these jet -pilot fighter pilots are trying to track this thing.

4:07:31It's like zipping across the sky. And they're like, what the fuck is that? I've seen a few of those. I've seen, talk to two different fighter pilots that are having counters. And they're all in. They're all in. I think there's a real thing going on. What that real thing is is what, what, what's confusing to me. I think some of it has to be ours. I think some of it has to be like super advanced drone technology that we don't want everyone knowing about. And it's probably some black ops shit. But I don't think that's all of it. I think it's also possible that we've been visited. It just makes sense.

4:08:07It just, it sounds so stupid. And that's part of the problem of even talking about it because it sounds dumb. Because there's no evidence. So you have to believe in something where there's no evidence of it. Other than like some blurry photographs. But, but then when you just think about the size of the universe itself. And the fact that we exist, we exist here on this planet. We're real. We know we're real. So what if it's fucking a Martha or whatever? And they're from fucking the center of the earth. And the holes in the polar, the poles or whatever, North and South. And it's where the holes are.

4:08:40And that's why Google Maps blocks it all out. Well, that would be a great theory before cell phones. Like that. But it's not there. You still can't see it. Maybe you can't be satellites. And also flight patterns. Like the people that copy and paste by the way. You know who doesn't think the world is flat? Pilots. True. Or anyone who's been in the airplane. They fly around these motherfuckers. They know where they have to go. They know the flight patterns. You look at it. You look at it. Also, by the way, everything's round. Go out in the fucking sky and look at Mars, look at Jupiter, get a telescope, look at all the stars.

4:09:19Notice how everything's round. Seems like there's a pattern going on. Yeah. Why would this be different? This ass is round.

4:09:28I don't know. It's so weird, man. I don't know. And you're talking about the oh shit moment. I think we've been so normalized to it. Like ET all this shit. We're going up watching this shit. To where it's like, yeah, no shit. Everyone, no matter what the surveys say or anything, everyone thinks there's like something going on. Everyone. Yeah. There's a few people that still are very incredulous. Elon believe it or not is incredulous. He's famously said, if aliens were there, sure, I'll settle. They're very subtle. Bigfoot's subtle, too. I mean, he's not an interdimensional being that could teleport it well.

4:10:12He knows where the cameras are. He's an omniscient being. He shuts down. Bigfoot is just Jesus Christ, full beard all over. He's just Woods Jesus. Yeah. That's it. He's just a mythical creature. He's looking out for humanity. Our brothers and sisters. They need our help. He's a benevolent kind being. He's got a big heart. Bro, the biggest scam ever pulled in the American public is finding Bigfoot. That show. They did that show for like 15 years. It is so good. It's so good. I like the Bigfoot hunters. I like all those shows. Where they bring. No, they're not going to catch it. No, no, no, no, no, of course.

4:10:53I still watch it. And you can tell now it's gotten to the point where it's all just actors. They're just going out there. This is so scripted. It's not even funny. Yeah. They're pretending that they're encountering things and they're hearing things in the woods. It's crazy. I watch, I watch, there's this whole undiscovered, I watch Discovery, or I have Discovery Plus. And there's a show about vampires. And they were talking to these two vampire hunters. And they were like, it was like, imagine like blade, but like two blades. And they were like acting like blade. And I was like, this is not fucking, this is undiscovered.

4:11:36This is undiscovered, dude. I know. It's hilarious. It was like two blades. Yeah, but what do they go fucking kill somebody? They're crazy. That's what I'm saying. They're like, we know, we know they're fucking out there. But it's all acting, bro. Imagine if they were. That opening scene to blade, when that dude gets dragged into the vampire disco. I don't like surprises. Oh, he does like surprises.

4:12:03That's just amazing. That's amazing. That is so good. I think that's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. It is so good. And Tracy Lords is the one who takes him there. Dude. Those, the first two blade movies were the fucking best shit ever. The first one was the fuck. And he cuts that guy's hand off with this fucking drawstring thing. Oh, man, that's so cool, man. Yeah, those movies are the shit. But the first one's the best. This poor door. This poor door thinks he's going to get to bang Tracy Lords. And she drags them through this meat processing thing. And while he's doing it, he like, he kind of sees people.

4:12:42He's like, what the fuck? As he's going through this, all this hanging meat. They get to a point where like people are rolling by. And he's looking at frozen people. But this dumb motherfucker wants pussy so bad he keeps going. If you see an elevator and like, or like just a normal elevator with a bouncer and a trench coat. And she's ready to bail and she grabs them and kisses them. And he's like, okay, cool. That's the power of a bird. This song is so hard. Give me that, Jamie. This fucking scene rolls, dude. She's great too. She's great too. Frost's like girlfriend in the movie. And that dude who plays the psychic gets his hand come off.

4:13:36So good. He's so good. I fucking love this scene because they all know he's meat and he doesn't know he's meat. And he's the only meat in there. Only meat in there, man. And they all recognize it. And he's trying to get behind it. He's like, woo, woo, let's go. Yeah, he starts dancing out there. Look at him. What's up, dude? What's up, man? Yeah. And then the blood. It's so crazy because you don't know, like so far you don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah. Did they stop the new blade? I heard they were making, I think there's a series, right? But I heard, I thought it was a movie and they stopped making it.

4:14:22Oh, no. Did they? I don't know. I hope not. It definitely got pushed back. It got pushed back. I don't know. Well, there's a writers get a watch on. Yeah. It's the fucking actor strike.

4:14:35Whenever blade comes in, Wesley's such a fucking hard ass. Oh, the scene's insane. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, James. Yeah, here's the point where the blood starts dripping from the ceiling.

4:14:54That's so good. And they're all throwing their arms in there. Why does no one do this? This would be a crazy party. And like real life, this would be a crazy fucking party. Not real blood, but like pretend blood. Yeah, you'd have to do pretend. But then people would do it one with real blood. Just like they're having no rules fights where your eye goes. You win by eye gouging. What's wrong, baby?

4:15:24Now he's realizing it's all vampires around him. He's about to get fucked up.

4:15:36Oh, dude. Oh, dude.

4:15:45They're so good.

4:15:49Oh, my God. Look how clean blade is so clean right here too. Look at that. The daywalker. Motherfucker is always trying to ice skate uphill is what he says to Frost right before he fucking kills him. That's the coolest thing. Yeah, let's go! Come on.

4:16:16That I think is like out of all the superhero movies. That's the best introduction. Yeah, it is. It's so good. It's so good. It starts in the...it's so good. Yeah, I mean, that's how you see blade. Yeah, that's the first time I see it. That's why I was so disappointed. Or at least they're still doing the 2020... Because it's supposed to be this year. But I don't know if it's actually...

4:16:45Because that was my favorite shit as a kid. Well, it's a trailer. It is a horror. He's so good. The actor they got to do blade. He is so good. I'd rather rule and hell than serve in heaven. We'd be at the bottom of the food chain up there, but down here. He could live like kings. Sure, you're ready for that, Mr. Whitman. Uh, this might... What was that? What do you mean? He didn't say that, so this could be a fake trailer. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. It could just be lagged. But he knew it was like a reupload or something. I'm not gonna move that way. Sure, you're ready for that, Mr.

4:17:24Whitman. Yeah, not even close. Let it go though. I'm dead. There are watchers behind the eyes all over the city. That looked okay. Oh, how the mighty are falling. From the great potentially amazing music the night is not a game.

4:17:50It didn't. It looked weird. Yeah, that wasn't like a real trailer. It was like a fan edit had trailer. Do you think so? Yeah, there's a ... I кон't know, really. A good one recently where like people are getting real jobs for making Boss edit into trailers. That's crazy smart, right? And then you show us the studio studio. It's like ... That's fucking good. They just take from the teaser, whatever, and put a song there. You know what drives me crazy? Who decided that that's how music for a trailer has to be? Put them. Brrrr. Put them. Brrrr. Right. anticipation. You know it was the inception. It was inception.

4:18:28That was like, brrrr.

4:18:34Brrrr. Right. I don't know. Every movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same. Every music trailer or movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same. That's interesting. It's true though. It's true. It's a pattern to get you jazzed up about something. But see, I'd starting to wear off. Because I'm like, okay, I just played out. I hear it. Now we need like a trailer with no music. Trailer's used to be one of my favorite parts to go into the movies. Really? Yeah, man. You got a good trailer, a good solid trailer that sucks you in like, oh shit. That was how you found out about movies right then, right?

4:19:12You didn't see Oppenheimer yet, right? No, no, no, no. I didn't show a trailer for this before and the sound because you're in the iMac theater with Oppenheimer makes this movies. I mean, it already looks good, but the trailer and the audio. Is it the same contract? This is Killers of a Flower Moon. No, it's not at all, but like just they added, whoever added this together did a great job. Oh, was this new? Yes. This is out later this year. Killers of the Flower Moon. Leo's a beast. My color.

4:19:41Use the sound grade. Oh, sage. They have the worst land possible. But they outsmart everybody. The land had oil on them. Black gold. Money flows freely here now. I do love that money, sir. No.

4:20:09This wealth should come to us.

4:20:15Their time is over. This is going to be another tragedy.

4:20:24When this money started coming, we should have known it came to something else.

4:20:33They're like buzzards circling our people. We're still warriors.

4:20:44I ought to kill these white men who killed my family. I need you here. I need you. You've got to take back control of your own.

4:21:03I was sent down from Washington DC to see if I could see these murders. So you know what about them? See, he's doing it.

4:21:14I'm going to kill them. Expect an American to make all this call away.

4:21:37You know they don't happen anymore. It's a good trailer. That's a good trailer.

4:21:51I'm going to see that movie. You ever watch an old movie with no soundtrack in it? This is wild. They have no music in this movie. I think of the last movie I watched with no soundtrack in it. If you watch some old that like watch the hustler with Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason, there's no music playing. Unless there's music in the background of a bar or something. There's no music sound. There's no music that accompanies the scenes. No country for old men.

4:22:27That's the best movie of all time. I love that fucking movie. Javier Bardoum is like the best bad guy. Oh my god, he's insane. He's insane in that movie. He's unhinged. He really does, thank you. He really does appear to be that guy. He feels like a psychotic guy that kills you with a cattle bra. Even that scene where he's driving on the bridge. There's a bird on the bridge and he just goes and tries to kill it. But misses, like that says so much about that character. It is so fucking good. The way he kills people too is so crazy. The fucking shower curtain. The shower curtain where he's like, he sees that motherfucker.

4:23:12He's like, yeah, just blast him through a shower curtain. I love that movie. That movie has no music in it. Wow. I love that. I love that. Yeah, it's a weird thing where you're listening to music in a scene and it's telling you how to think. Right. You know? It kind of takes away a little bit of the suspension of disbelief that you're that character. And that's why I love that the contrast and the juxtaposition of different music than you would expect. Like, and a Django, when if he goes and fucking kills a whole house to Tupac? Yeah. That shit is so hard because it's been Western music the whole time.

4:24:06Right. That's such a tarantino move. I always have amazing music choices. For those big culmination scenes, what was the song in... Once upon a time in Hollywood. Whenever everything was fucking going down. Because it always builds up to that one scene with the contrasting music. It is so fucking cool. Yeah. I love that. I love that. It's just like, oh, I'm gonna fucking be in a war scene to like fucking like... Where's my mind? Like, even the where is my mind? Like, that's great. But like, it's so fucking cool. There.

4:24:51The scene is insane.

4:25:00There's music in the background. Yeah, there's music. There's music there.

4:25:07Doors.

4:25:11No.

4:25:18Did you watch this movie? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

4:25:31I just watched this movie with Dave Chappelle and Donnell Rawlings in a movie theater that we had all rented out. There was no one in it but us. All the comics and the dudes we work with went to see it at like two o 'clock in the morning after our show. It's so good. It's amazing. You get that build up for that fucking. It's also such a Tarantino movie. I was like the violence in it. It's so egregious. Like if someone just made it moving. But only in that one deal. Right, but it's enough. It's enough. It's so good. And then he goes, he's like, you know what? I'm getting out the fucking flame thrower from the from my movie prop from a while ago.

4:26:15That shit is so crazy, dude. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, you're a home and Twitter. I'm pulling out my fucking flame. Oh, God. That shit is crazy, dude. It's a crazy movie, man. I love that movie. It's such a fun movie too because it's like a reimagining of the Manson murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Without, did they, was it Manson? Yeah. Like actual or was it like a playoff of? I think it was the Manson family coming after him. But he does, but he was. Yeah, it was. No, it was. Yep, yep. Because Tates in the movie, everybody, the director, his auntie, the movie briefly. The Italian director that was in the with Sharon Tate.

4:27:12Oh, yeah, Manson was in that. That's right. That's crazy, dude. And they go to that ranch. Yeah. They go to the ranch and they're looking for the for the owner of the ranch and he's sleeping. He's like, he doesn't feel very good. That's a crazy movie. It is a crazy movie. It's very good. It's a very good movie. And that's what they did, too.

4:27:36They whacked people for Charlie. And just, is the ranch story real? I guess specifically is what I'm thinking about. What is the actual story? Like what do they say that they killed the guy on the ranch and took it over or something? Yeah, well, I guess in the movie. Yeah. He's super, he's dead. I don't know if that's based on a real story, but I bet it is. I bet that's real. Or at least if he's not dead, he's just fucking fuck out of his mind. Like, just they gave him all the drugs in the world. But I think there were some cases of like girls, honeypotting dudes and then the other Manson family guys would come over and it would turn into a shit show.

4:28:20I think that's what happened with Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson, his manager. They became entrenched with Charles Manson. And I think Dennis, we brought up this the other day, right? Dennis Wilson was his manager at one point or something. It was going to produce a record form or something like that. And it went sour and then now you have the fucking head of the Manson family who hates you. And he wants to kill you. Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys. Yeah. Yeah, his brother was a producer. Have you listened to his music? Sure. Look at that. While gathering is called following Manson was a singer, songwriter and the fringe of Los Angeles music industry, chiefly through a chance associated with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys to introduce Manson to record producer Terry Melcher.

4:29:11His music is so different. Yeah, it's fucking weird. It's weird. Yeah, but it's weird listening to his voice. Like, because we know, but that was like right before. It's crazy, dude. It's so, it's fucking gives me fucking chills, dude. It's so weird.

4:29:44The fucking eyes, dude. Look at your gay girl. What a mad delusion. Living in a confusion. Frustration and doubt. Can you ever live without a gay? It makes sense that he could do that. It's because he's charismatic, right? He was a cult leader. He has charisma. He knows how to captivate people's attention. And that's what he's doing through his singing. It's so weird, dude. Weird. It's like, it gave me chills, like, listening to that fucking come on and look at that fucking picture. It's just so strange. Yeah. It's strange. Strangestrange is a recording of Charles Manson's song. Crazy. I think there's more.

4:30:36I think there's more than that. There's like a whole record now. It's crazy. Do you ever see searching for Sugar Man? No, sir. Do you know the song? You know the story behind it? No, sir. Bro, this is a crazy story. That might have been him singing just for a record. What's that? That wasn't him? Wasn't Charles Manson? It's fake. No, no, no. I'm reading that he wrote these songs. Oh. And someone else's song? That might have been someone else's voice. Might have been or... I'm trying to figure it out. The actual thing we just listened to, I don't know, but I'm like, here's a link to say listen to these Charles Manson songs and he's written, created as the songwriter for them.

4:31:13Like he might have been trying to write Beach Boys songs. Interesting. I didn't know they had any Brian Wilson and... Yeah, there was a... They had any... Like that's crazy. That's crazy. It says that these are performed by Steve Grogan. Steve Grogan. Steve Grogan. Okay, so he wrote it. 1970 recordings of Manson songs. Whoa. That's crazy. Jamie, Google searching for Sugar Man. This is a movie that I think you would love. So this movie is about this guy who made these albums. He made an album in the 70s, made some recordings. And nobody... They didn't take off over here in America. But people were playing them in South Africa.

4:32:02And in South Africa, this guy was gigantic. And there was all these rumors about him being dead. And meanwhile, the guy was in America doing construction work. He was like a laborer. Really? So then all of a sudden they find him. What is his name? It says it right there. Just scroll up. Oh, Rodriguez. So this guy doesn't know that he's a fucking huge star in South Africa. And they find him. And then they bring him to South Africa to do a concert. And it's fucking bananas. He had imagined having no idea that there's hundreds of thousands of people. What year is this? Well, the documentary was like...

4:32:55Years ago, when the movie came out. Right. And like what was the event? When the event... It said on that film when they just... So 98. So no internet. So that's how it happens. This is the kind of shit that happened before the internet. Somebody got a hold of his records. And somebody did a little... And they were officially... And I love this song. And he has some great songs. It's some great music. It's really interesting music. And you know, he's... It was a fucking huge star in another country and he had no idea. And this is the movie about him going on stage. I'm brought me to tears, man.

4:33:28I'm brought me to tears. When I'm on stage, it's like, holy shit, what is that like for him? Yeah. It's kind of no idea. That's crazy. It's like he's living in a dream. How do you even go to a show? How do you even go to a show? How do you do a show? I can't do a fucking show. And I know that there's people coming. Like I can't even fucking do a show. And like... He's believed to have sold more records in South Africa than Elvis Presley. That's crazy. Insane. Sixth -O -Rodriguez, his name. Wow. You ever heard of any of this stuff? No, sir. Let me pull up something. Pull up some shit. That's crazy.

4:34:07He's got a great voice. It's great stuff.

4:34:13Sugarman, I guess. Yeah, sugarman's a good one. Looking for. Trying to find one. Here is a good one.

4:34:25Sugarman won't you hurry. I'm tired of these scenes. For the blue corn won't you bring back all those colors to my dreams. Silver magic ships you carry jump first coat sweet marriage.

4:34:57Sugarman, man of all spring on a lonely dusty road. Lost my heart when I found it. It had turned to dead black home. Silver magic ships you carry jump first coat. Sweet marriage. It's good fucking song. It's so good. It's really good. Sugarman, you're the answer. That makes my questions disappear. It's great writing. It is really good. It really breathes really fucking nice and his voice is insane. Jamie, what year was this? Did this recorded? I think 68. Wow. He's one off. He was almost in the good year. This dude is for 39. 30 years. Thought he didn't make it. That's crazy. And then he goes over and he's, he stands up in front of a arena filled with people.

4:36:08Quit music in 1976 and purchase the house in Detroit for $250 technically. Wow. $250. He lived there until 2013. Yeah, his house had like no heat, you know, like a fireplace. It's weird shit man. It's a fireplace. You know, with the fires in the corner. That's fucking crazy. I got to look into fucking Rodriguez. What a fucking guy wound up giving all his money away too. He's kind of, I mean, maybe that might be one of them legend stories. I tell a lot of those unfortunately. Don't turn out to be true. I hear a lot of legends. And I just fucking repeat him, add nauseam. But I think the thing about him was people said that he had given his money away.

4:36:52And that he just kind of went back to a simple life and stopped performing. You know, maybe he experienced it in the documentary and all the heat and all the attention. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I'm an older man now and I'm not interested in this anymore. I was interested in this when I was a young man. And now maybe. I just want to chill. Yeah. And like, he fucking knows he did it now. At least it's like wow, people enjoyed it. And it's really good man. Yeah. It's crazy songs that can slip through that like people like how was that? Like you find out a song from 1969. You're like, how is that not a fucking smash hit?

4:37:29Do you ever heard of a Johnny Thunder? No, sir. Play I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder. My friend Brian Simpson told me about this the other day. And he goes, you got to hear this song. And he plays it. And he goes, and we were trying to, we had to do the research. I was like, when was this released? We thought it was 2011. It's 1969. It was like re -released. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. But I want you to imagine a world where a dude who makes a song that's this fucking good isn't a superstar. Listen to this shit.

4:38:11It sounds like the Black Keys. 1969. Yeah, this is good.

4:38:21Yeah dude.

4:38:26Damn. Yeah. It does sound modern because the way they cut records now is just like, they chase that retro vibe. Yeah.

4:38:58Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Baby. Baby. Baby. Baby. Baby. What year was it? 1969, son. His distortion is crazy on the guitar. That tone is amazing.

4:39:26God damn this is good. I'm gonna get out of my phone. I'll send it to you. All right, you have to. Please, thank you. I'll send it to you. I will not forget. This is one of my favorite songs. I fucking love this song. Yeah, you got to send it to me. I listen to this song every night in my green room. I was like, mandatory listening. Yeah, that shit is great. I listen to open the gates. That's the first song we listen to. When I get in the room, because it's a crazy song. It's just a good, good way to get it going. What is this? This is the other version of it. Yeah, he covered this version of it.

4:39:59Yeah. They're version sucks. Oh, yeah. This version is, this version. Listen to this. It's slower. Listen to this though. They got good monthly listeners. They got one point seven. What's Tommy James and Sean Deles. They're very famous. I don't know them. Really? No. Oh, yeah. They're in 1960s, Ben. I didn't know. I would like to see Joe Rogan with like a mod haircut. Yeah, I'd go for a moment. You're like, cool. Full of hair. Get muttoned. Troopsie, Ben. Let's go, baby. Give him the fucking big collar, bitch. Elvis, call us. Let's go. Do you want to make you rending? Come here. Country version of it too.

4:40:39With Kenny Chesney and Dave Matthews. I do love me a little Kenny. Let's hear a little bit of that. Let's hear a little bit of that. Man, actually it's called I'm alive. It could be a different song. I'm sorry. It's very different. Yeah. All right. I'll just get that. It's very different. Unless they completely whitened it up on an unoriginal. They brutalized it. They brutalized it. Kenny Chesney does not have the mod haircut. Yeah. Well, that song just, it's a perfect song. It's like you get, don't, just leave it alone. Yeah, you get so much with it. Yeah, you get that. That song's perfect. That song's so good, man.

4:41:12It's got so much fucking feeling to it. It's, and nobody heard about it. It's going to cover by that, by the way. What's up? That's not the same song. Oh, of course. Yeah, I didn't seem like it as you were playing it. You'd have to have big balls to cover that song after Johnny Thunder. It's just so good. Great name, too. Yeah, what a great name. Not porn star name at all. Johnny Thunder. Joe Rogan, I got a P. All right, my brother. Let's wrap this up. I love you. I love you too. I appreciate you very much. Thank you for having me, sir. Thank you so much, sir. It's always fun to talk to you. Let's do it more often.

4:41:45I would absolutely love it. All right. And I'll see you tomorrow night. Yes, sir. We're going to go to the mother's room. Yeah, no, we're fucking going to go. Okay, let's go. Bye, everybody. Good night. I love you guys. Be safe. Keep being amazing. Have a great night, guys. I love you.

4:42:10I love you.