#2022 - Jeremy Gerber, Phil Gerber, & Josh Henning

24:01That all that goes into that. But it's also art. Like you guys are making art with other with old art. You take these rusted old fucked up cars. And you strip them all down, put a completely new chassis, put everything in. So it works like a modern car. And you get the best of both worlds. You get that look that those cars had. It was just magical. Whatever they were, whatever that in the design element of those cars. It's just magical. That's the key to those. Because everybody loves muscle cars. But you know, people look at them like you get some duties like 45, 50 years old. You made themself a bunch of cash.

24:38And he says, that looks cool. I want to have it. And he has no fucking idea that when he buys a 70 kuda, it's a massive pile of shit to drive. Like a bone stock car. You have no idea. Because you look at it, you think it's cool. It's fast. It's not. It's got the iconic big motor. Yeah. My mom had a 1971 one when I was growing up. That's when I became infatuated with kudas. Yeah. It was with a 340. A lot of mad. It's a crazy car for your mom to have. Your mom must be pretty fucking cool. Yeah. She was pretty cool. But it was like the shape of that car just intoxicated me just as a kid. And I was always like, but hers was like kind of boring looking.

25:16It was like kind of a copper bronze color. It was kind of boring stock. And I was like, man, some one day, one day. So that was like the car in my head always was like 70, 71. I like both of them. There's something about the 70 with the individual headlights. It just makes it a little, it stands out. But that fucking grill in the 71 is pretty wild too. Yeah, I like the tail lights on the 72. It's a good looking car. And it's easy when you start with one of those. We've done a handful of kudas because those cars are just good looking to begin with. And you didn't really have to touch the body on them.

25:49You know, you talk about like making art. That car is like art to begin with. Yeah. Well, I think Dodge did the very best job of doing that retro version of the challenger. I think that all those cars that, to me, look a lot like, you know, like the first time I saw the Hellcat, I was like, that's a fucking dope car. Yeah. Dope modern car. Like you could see driving that 15, 20 years from now would be cool. Dude, they're very cool. My problem with them is we've always been around the muscle cars. So you're used to the proportions of like, I've had 70 challengers and you're used to those proportions.

26:22And when you see that car next to it, it's like, I don't know, it's like the big dumb kid in gym class when you're a kid. It's just like a little overgrown. Yeah. You know what I mean? Why did they get that? Why did they get bigger? All the shit's so much bigger. Yeah, it's just the wheelbase, the platform, you know. All the safety requirements they have to have. The HVAC system under a new modern car, whatever is as big as your entire dash interior of like that 70 kuda. You pull out the HVAC system under the dash of one of those new ones. That's why it's a lot of stuff. From steering wheel all the way to the outside of the firewall.

26:54I mean, you're talking like three fucking feet. Really? And it's just the amount of shit they pack into those new cars. It's fucking nuts. The horsepower and the performance is pretty mind blown on that stuff. Like if you think everybody raves about like the muscle car era. But if you stop and think like you can go into the dealership right now and buy a thousand horsepower car. A car that won the 9 second quarter months. Jamie just got a brand new Tesla plaid. And I don't know if you're driven one of those. But look, I love muscle cars. But that car makes every car feel stupid. That's what I heard.

27:26I mean, stupid. It goes zero to 16, two seconds. It flies. It goes so fast. It goes so fast. It's like it's time traveling. It goes like it moves into positions that no other car can do it. And somehow it does it silently. So you don't feel like a douche bag. Like you're like, BAAAAT BAAAT! And getting in front of something, you just go, SHH! How wild is it, Jamie? Crazy. I mean, I barely drove it yesterday because I took it in the back. And I was just like, oh my god, this is a little... Okay, hold on. And I think it's 1100 horsepower. Is it controllable? Or is it 100 %? Go by itself. It's so dialed in, there's never wheel spin.

28:08I mean, when you take off, there's no wheel spin. It's all completely electronically managed. The base of the thing is all batteries. So the weight is low. So it's got an amazing center of gravity. A thousand twenty horsepower. Oh, back to your point. 1 .9 seconds. Zero to 60. No, no, no. It's preposterous. I know. It's tough when you talk about that to like make the argument against electric cars. Well, the performance is nuts. I drove the fucking coup d 'état today though. I didn't drive the Tesla. It's a different experience. Like, I'm not trying to go. I'm not embracing anybody. Dude, it's just going to work.

28:42You know, like, it's the feeling. It's the auxiliary experience. Oh, my god. A little bit of vibration, the noise. You're connected to the car, right? You feel like you're the one operating the car. There's a few things in life that people wish they had that are actually worth getting. And muscle cars are one of them. 100%. They just want to. Dude, modify muscle cars. You got to make that something you can drive it. Because it's like, there's a lot of things that people wish they had. And then when you had it, you have it. It's like, I explain this once. Like, my first nice apartment that I ever had was in North Hollywood.

29:14When I first moved to California and I was on TV shows, like, wow, got a nice apartment. This is crazy. This is my own place. It had a loft and had a pool table. And I was sitting in front of my TV. And I realized I go, oh, this is just a house. Like, it's just like every other house. The same feeling I had when I was in a shitty apartment. It's just your place. You go to your place, you chill. It's the same feeling. So all that extra money you played, these big giant houses and all the crazy shit, you think you're going to get that same amount of juice from like, wow, what an amazing feeling being in this house.

29:46But it's just your house. You just have that same feeling. Oh, I'm in my house. Oh, I'm open to my refrigerator. I'm going to have breakfast. It's the same feeling. Right. It's not the same feeling with cars. When you're in one of the... I drive the test to work. It's quiet, it's great. I listen to books on tape. I'm cruising along. It makes no sound. It's very relaxing and peaceful. But when I drive, like the Camaro to work, it's like, I'm in a fucking doors video. You know? It's like, do, do, do, do, do, do. It's a trip. I'm on a Disney ride. Are you I'm in a Disney ride. Are you jamming out to any music and then you just listened to the music?

30:23Jammed out to music until I was halfway here and I'm like it didn't want to hear the music anymore I just want to hear the engine you know There's both things like I have a Porsche 1993 RS America is the rawest car I have it's not fast at all It only has like 300 horsepower. It has no power steering. It has no air conditioning It has no radio. It has no nothing and it weighs like you know It's like I don't know 2000 something sure. It's weighs nothing and it's so fun. Oh, man It's so different than any other experience and it's not the fastest. It's the slowest car I have for sure It's not that fast, but it's every Every mile per hour everything you're fucking feeling in your ass and in your hands and it's this raspy air cooled You don't have to be going fast.

31:18It's just the feeling you're getting you're on a ride Requires all of you all to do it's like a motorcycle. You're connected. You're making everything happen You're the one controlling it. There's no computers. There's no traction control that you have to really steer that bitch too Because there's no power steering So like when you're parallel parking you got to fuck your muscle and you got to work your forearms. It's a lot This episode is brought to you by Buffalo trace distillery actually have some Buffalo trace cigars here One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years Made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers It embodies the perfectly Untamed spirit of independence.

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34:02I mean Chris Harris is like the premier auto journalist of our time And he chooses to have this one little tiny Lightweight strip down car that he has built see if you found it Check this out give me some volume. I need volume That's not it. That's the singer DLS. That's the nasty car to the one below it the one below it real no not singer Chris Harris 911 put like My perfect sports car 911 my perfect sports car You that era of 911 I mean it's very similar to the muscle car vibe. Yes, very that's it right to the second one down remember the green 911 that one So this is a car that Chris just like you know had built over time just give me Yeah, let it go right there Then we got completely carried away with the engine spec and I stopped my feet like a child until Richard found a later G50 Gearbox and altered the rear torsion tubes to make it fit Oh, and the engine is 3 .4 liters of hand built sexiness and it has about 320 horsepower and the car weighs Under a thousand kilograms and when we drove it side by side with my then you BMW M3 the Porsche was quicker The chassis is probably the trickiest bit of all on this car I didn't just want an RS replica so we went for the look of an ST which for those of you less geeky than me on the subject of 911s is a car from 1971 with wider arches than an RS and no ductile spoiler So we have eight and nine inch wheels the nines are rare and stupidly expensive But they do look the business and that also means we have more mechanical grids and a wider track And when it is trick dampers to deal with that the internal of the ones fitted to this car are very similar to the stuff Shit, yeah That's what I'm talking about Why do they sound so much smarter than we do that's why we use them for information Dummies buy things from people of British accents way more eloquent Sham wow The Sham wow guy was American though right that wasn't that guy well he was a wild boy, right didn't he get Like bed a hooker someplace like that Kind of restful biting a hooker.

36:30I never would have guessed I think straight shooter. I think he did that sham Wow got that sham while money and so are doing sham while money things American success story right I think he's dead. Is he dead? Sham wow guy alive really Congratulations, sir. I think it's the actually made it in the actually clean Didn't have a coke problem and killed himself the oxy clean guy did Billy maize. Oh D. Did yeah, I'm still trying to get past the bite in a hooker was that just the problem with the negotiation on the front in Who do you just it depends on the tail in two what drugs? He's on what the hooker did Who knows who knows what happened.

37:08I don't know the story Very unfortunate for all involved, but um Yeah, the Billy maize guy he was doing a lot of blow and he had a heart attack or something right? I thought is that what he died from Jamie? Not quite like that, but I don't I don't want to get into it You don't want to get into it. I'm friends with the sun. Oh, that's right. All right. That's right. I'm sorry Sorry for bringing that up. Sorry buddy Anyway, who's the like the party look James Gandalfini one of my favorite actors of all time. That's how he went Party little too hard damn blue the ticker You know that's you know leave it all in the field not that it matters.

37:42That's one of my all -time favorite fucking shows Oh my god Gandalfini was the first guy that you rooted for that was a murderer. Oh, but he was the hero The hero when he he murdered Christopher Maltesanti. Yes in the fucking in the the Cadillac. Yeah, spoiler alert But I mean he was the first real I think on TV the first real anti hero If you really think about it like yeah, that'd been was there anybody before him? Jamie. Can you think of me? I Been like 94 95 the sopranos was later than that I believe yeah, I think it was early 2000s I remember like thinking when I was watching okay, this is totally different than anything ever Because they can do anything that intro that that's the words beginning how that it was so annoying being Italian then because everybody wanted to talk like they were in the mob All the dumbest Italian guys in the East Coast like hey, that's a fucking thing.

38:39This is all thing Shot your mouth everybody wanted to be on the mob was like It's like people moving to Montana because they saw Yellowstone. It's like the same shit It's enticing man Fuck I want it hard Because you gotta do rancher stuff. I know you gotta get up at fucking three in the morning bro That's no joke. That's a real word. You get into like shootouts and yeah, how are they getting in the Sony murder? You're up here in the grown up buildings. I don't know. Kinds of cool shit You're in their shoulder deep in a fucking cow trying to pull out the calf and doing all that shit I don't think people realize it's not just like all about distressed like leather boots and like you know cool jackets It's there's some fucking work there back breaking work.

39:21Yeah But there's this amazing scene where this old cowboy is talking to this young guy and he's saying you're you're doing art for no audience Like when you're out there what you're doing you're doing art for no audience It's like wow If you really love that that is what it is. That's an interesting way of looking at it Yeah, we're doing it. We're plastering it all over Instagram and the internet and YouTube and trying to get everybody to see it with an audience Yeah, we're not doing art for an audience It's interesting though because it is kind of what that is and there's something about like cattle wrangling and all that stuff That somehow another speaks to human beings because I think we evolved doing that and I think like Tending to the land and I think farmers have that sort of same field too.

40:07There's something about that. That's just like Natural with human beings and it just there's a natural human reward system that's involved with Cultivating your own food and and being involved in a farm That I think it just centers people in a very unusual way because I think it's like your body's designed for a Certain amount of that you know, I think it's a good thing to even if it's glamorizing it in an unrealistic Light and it does make people go and say they sell their business and they go out there and they're gonna become a rancher And then they fail but at least it is pushing some people that to get back to that wilderness living like I think it's a good thing almost We're cut out for it.

40:51There's a lot of people remember that movie with Paulie Schorz. Was it son -in -law? Yeah Yeah, I'll bet there's so much of that going on out there in Montana. Oh, yeah, Billy Well, there's something going on in Wyoming Jeffrey star who's his famous youtuber who like is like uh, yeah, are they transgender or is he gay or he's He's very flamboyant very fun But he's like involved in some dispute with his neighbor Or just said his neighbor trying to kill him run him off the road and I don't know what the fuck is going on He's making Instagram videos about it like you imagine you're some rancher and Jeffrey star moves next door This he wouldn't exactly fit in but maybe would maybe they're open minded.

41:38I don't know what's going on So I can't really come you think he's going down a tractor supply and buying you my feet a couple bags of feed Be fun some car hearts. Who knows yeah car hearts. I don't think so No, things rise Right around the field with a little living on it. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing But it's like I RuPaul bought a fucking ranch too RuPaul bought some giant ranch and like Wyoming lives on a ranch How many people out there have been in that industry? They've been in they've been in Montana They've been in Wyoming their whole lives and they're making a fortune off of selling Ranching supply all this stuff that they say for these people that come in they've just moved like I'm starting a ranch What do I need yeah, I'm gonna set you up.

42:18So what you're gonna need is Ranch starter kids that is start a ranch from scratch What What are you gonna do you not to do this are you crazy? You're gonna die how many cows do I need I'm like several whole mess of it I'll actually be a fun reality show didn't Jeremy Clark do that? Did you do something like that? Didn't Jeremy Clark start a farm? I thought believe he did I think he did it for a television Joe And the same kind of deal Yeah, it's gotta be all in composing like you'd be exhausted Yeah Clarkson's farm yeah Episode one surviving See it's all changing everything's changing in this country because they're moving like I mean Austin's a good example Years ago, you know it's Texas.

43:04Yeah, it's just bad -ass fucking cowboy stuff. And now it's well Well Austin was always very blue Austin's always been like this blue spot in a red state And it's always been very progressive and one of the funniest things that I've ever seen this like pretty accurate Said as a t -shirt said keep Austin weird and surrounded It's like she needs the balance you need the balance because you if you're in a place like San Francisco or LA There's no fucking balance, right? There's no like Republicans in the outside and progressive like even the progressives here are so Much more reasonable than the progressives in LA because they encounter like rational opposition to their ideas all the time Yeah, and you know it only that stuff only works in urban environments like progressive ideology and the Like the like the policies they push with homelessness and crime and Defunding the police that shit only works and it doesn't work doesn't work at all But you can only get away with it in urban environments of course in the country no one's buying any of that You just like people work too hard.

44:12It's like if you want to get by if you're you're fucking in a rural area No one's interested in that nonsense yourself So the beautiful thing about Texas is Austin is just like Small city. There's only a million plus people not that many right? And then there's another million on the outside and then Outside of it is just Texas outside of his buckies and fireworks That's what I'm talking about gun stores It's ranches. It's like that that keeps Austin balanced where they don't get too off the rails They don't go to Portland. Yeah, ask you about the homeless stuff. We We're here two years ago. Yeah, it was it was really really getting it was height of you know Pandemic stuff and all that but man last night going around.

45:00It's way different. Yeah, they cleaned it up They did it they did it in a very intelligent way They acquired hotels and they bought buildings and house people and they have a bunch of different Programs they do to try to help people get back on their feet and they discourage camping They won't let people camp. You just can't camp under the bridges. They clean up your shit They'll take you out of there. They'll let you know that there's resources available for you But the real problem in all these cases is mental illness. That's the real problem Mental illness and drug addiction and both of those things kind of go hand in hand and a lot of those folks are like badly badly addicted to drugs And they can't sustain themselves and they can't support themselves And I don't think encouraging them to just camp out everywhere like they do in San Francisco and they actually give them money for doing that That doesn't help anybody.

45:50It's not helping them. It's not helping your community It's terrible and everybody knows it. You don't think that enabling them and giving them like needles and stuff like California does It's beneficial. I think this is give them everybody's money all the money if they were rich that have no problems Just give them all million dollars. Come on. We all the money we're spending in Ukraine is only like 2000 homeless people They get it for that. I don't know if it kills your problems. Look at fucking sham well guy You know different problems different problems. It might be Yeah, I mean if you just gave them money and wouldn't help you really I don't know what to do.

46:22I mean, I think that like when a person is that fucked When their mind is that fucked and they're they're that far gone in terms of life They have no hope and they're they're just covered in filth and they're living in a tent It's like taking that person and rebuilding them is a massive project It's probably going to take as much time to make them normal as it took for them to get that fucked up So you think about like childhood abuse sexual abuse violence Detention juvenile system They they've gone through jail. They've gone through so many different things They they have no hope that life is eventually going to be awesome When you wake up you go to an awesome job you guys have a cool place you work with cool people you make awesome shit That feels good.

47:08That's like a good feeling. Oh, yeah These guys never have good feelings unless they're getting high and that's what's that's the scary thing It's like you get them out of that and then they're going to be depressed. They have nothing going on They're 43 years old They've never had a job like how do you fix that? You but you don't fix it. I just let them camp out somewhere. I mean I don't know what the solution is because at a certain point in time. It's like It's so hard to turn people around and they have to want to turn around Oh, so like it has to be in them that they somehow another want to do better because some people don't want to do better They just want to stay high You know, they just like I feel better with them high.

47:45I just try to stay high and they just do hair Just get caught in that rut you got a lot of huge mega churches out there that aren't doing nothing for Yeah, tens of thousands of people and arenas and I mean They're not doing shit. I don't think they can do anything. Hey, this is what they're not doing anything They're not doing anything, but I don't think they can do anything I don't think I don't know what you can do other than what they've done in Austin But Austin is like I had the mayor on Stephen Adler and we talked about it And one of the things that he said was like I it's my goal before I leave office to put a handle on this homeless thing If I don't do that, I've failed and I think he did it But the thing with he said was we can do it because we only have Somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 homeless people He goes lost angeles is unmanageable.

48:33They have like a hundred thousand homeless people when you get to that point Have you ever seen Skid Row in downtown LA? Never in person. It's insane. I saw it in person in the early 2000s before the pandemic and it was nuts then like I couldn't believe it and it was engineered They used to take people when they were to rest them and dump them off on Skid Row They'd take people and bring them there Like they they literally set up these homeless shelters and they set up these food banks and they set up and these people just live on this street It's a zombie movie It's so crazy when you go down there and when ice what is this?

49:12I just says saying that there's up to 10 ,000 people in the homeless in Austin 10 ,000 yeah one percent of the population what? It's according to the city of Austin's own count. Holy shit. Is this new? Yeah, I mean they're all they moved them out of the downtown area And under the bridges and they all live out in the parks now apparently like oh and like state parks not even state parks Like city the city parks. This is a zoker park. I think they're what yeah Wow That's crazy man I didn't know that so they just got it out of views. Yeah, I believe so as what it is is like there's different people that Have to patrol that it might be different than the cops that are patrol people on the streets 168 different camps across the city Wow Off often hidden from public view in the woods for sure It's kind of like you know sweeping the Okay, take everything I said back Under the little bit.

50:05They just got it off just read the lid off of that one They just got it out the streets and now there's camp actually moms they clean the room. Yeah, I did a great job Yeah, right under the rug So those all marks on the map that are homeless encampments yeah as of Public 26 so they got as of June And so they think there's 10 ,000 people is this like some new our post exaggeration? I don't know But that's what what the loss the city of Austin thinks city city of Austin County. What do we know about homelessness in Austin? Wow, so that's the case then when the mayor was on which was a couple of years ago the numbers gone out by 8 ,000 people There's another crazy threats.

50:45Well, I was looking what you guys are talking that may fare hotel in LA Yeah, that's come up in a bunch of documentaries Yeah, they just paid the city paid 11 .5 million dollars in damages Because they use that and what they called project room key Which got a bunch of people off the street into housing But immediately drug use damages in the hallways Violence all sorts of stuff now the city wants to buy that building for like 83 million. Oh wow And do what house homes yeah, let it stay being a show. They gave him a free room and they destroyed it Yeah, they're the little you know self -destructive.

51:21They're not in the best table state of mind Yeah, I don't know how we got on that subject. Yeah, you said something about buckies If you seen the buckies there make it There no, they're building one in Mexico, but the it's not a buckies. So they're not go. Yeah, they're trying They're the item cease and desist and all like shit and they're still building it. Did you see what they did within an out? In Mexico they they have It's not in and out. It's it's like in Knee out something like that. See like this copy cat. It's the same logo. It's the same look Yeah, so it's not called in and out. What is it called?

52:02So this is you know, this is in cool to come in in in I and out It looks exactly like in and out when you go there the burgers are all the same the trays are the same animal style The whole thing's the same. They just stole the menu. They stole the way it looks and they barely changed the name Yeah, got a plot their effort there. Yeah, I mean, it's not like they're making for our ease Yeah, it's a fucking cheeseburger You know you can make a cheeseburger exactly like that cheeseburger Yeah, but you could also come over your own name and name or you could just say fuck you. I live in Mexico hahaha Write the coders Yeah, what they could do is just eventually change the name.

52:46Oh bucktoos super macado look at the book. You go through on it and everything Save as the buckis guy. It's not quite as big as the Texas version. Yeah. It's a little downsides Hey, buckis is an impressive establishment though. It's a Walmart. You go in there. You like what is this? This is insane. This is at a gas station Oh You go broke at the beef jerky You've been in the beef jerky like buffet. Yeah, it's preposterous. Yeah, man, you gotta try a little bit of everything. Yeah, it's a ridiculous place. It's so Texas. That's why I talk about it on stage, because it's so fucking Texas. It's so ridiculous.

53:19It's a big news on stage. Fucking last night, dude. Thank you. It was phenomenal. Thank you. Glad you guys had a good time. Yeah, phenomenal time. You run that place and your whole entire staff. I mean, hats off. It's like a fucking watching an orchestra. Like, seriously. Yeah, they're all very good. Everybody's great. It's a lovely little environment that we've created. It's real fun. And everybody loves it. It's like, everybody's having a good time. It's real nice. And you work and you're fucking asshole. Yeah, we do a lot of work. It's not work. It's talking shit. Yeah, it's fun. I mean, my fucking hat's off to you.

53:55I mean, you're bustin' ass there. And that's, I don't where the fuck you get the energy from. I'm 40 years old and I look at you. I'm like, God damn. I'm used to doing it wrong, but I'm used to doing it. I do it every day. You know, it's normal. You're on the edge. Yeah, it's fun. But it's fun. It's just fun. You know, when you're doing stand -up, like, the hard part is the writing. The writing and the creating new bits and the work in the amount on stage. That's the tricky part, the hard part. But the fun part is just like having a good time. And people have fun. You know, it's just having a good time.

54:25That's all you're just making a good time. It's a great environment and a cool place. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's like just like what I was saying, like, you guys have this great job. You go and do something that's like very rewarding. That's what owning a comedy club is like. It's like we're providing this really fun experience. You know, it's like you can go, have a couple of drinks, laugh, have a great time, fun people, nice people, loving people. It's like fun, the beautiful environment. There's only a few, like, there's probably like a few jobs in the world that provide that. Like for us, it's like, you almost live there.

54:59It's not a job, it becomes a lifestyle. Like the shop, it's, I spend more time there than I do anywhere else. Right. Because you're just, that's what you do. That's the lifestyle that you live. Yeah, and all the different personalities have to kind of like figure their spot. Like figure out how to like get along with each other. Yeah. And that could be a real issue. It can be. That could be a very, very interesting issue. You know, we get like 95 people total. Oh, wow. And there's, you know, different personalities. Different talents, different personalities. A lot of artists, I mean, their craftsmen.

55:35I mean, imagine having 95 comics. All living in the same. Yeah, you're gonna have issues. Especially with their around each other all day. Like we only see each other at night, you know? Yeah. So you go through your whole day and most of these guys are like playing golf or doing something else. And then they come to the club. There's, I think there's a lot of, I mean, similarities in any type of art. And creation because you are getting some of that instant gratification as far as. You're gratifying yourself with what you're creating, but you also get from that customer and you get stuff. You're doing the same thing and the comic stuff.

56:09I mean, you're getting, it's not like you're putting in the work now. And then a year from now, you'll see if it paid off or not as far as that. Right. You know, like throughout the night, you're knowing right now if it's hitting or not hitting or working. Right. There's something, I guess, different. I mean, I'm looking at like a corporate job with somebody going and pushing papers and having to wait for a year review before somebody said that you actually moved the needle or did a good job. Right. And how much joy are you getting from what you're doing every day? Right. That's the big one. Because if you can have a job that pays more money, but you hate it, like that's not a good trade -off.

56:43You want to feel good. That's the, that's at all the things in life. Like if you, if you get sick, what's the first thing you think? Like, God, I really should have appreciated when I wasn't sick. I really should have taken care of myself better. I really should have been more careful. I should have gotten more sleep. I should have taken my vitamins. Like whatever, and you do, you vow. Like when I get better, I am going to appreciate this. And that, that applies to jobs too. If you have a job that sucks and you fucking hate it, you hate what you do. And you do it all the time. And you're just in there because you have to be there all day.

57:19Your day is dread. And if you can get paid less to do something that makes you feel better, that's so much more valuable. As long as you can get by, you are so much better off getting paid less. And enjoying what you do. Unless you have a family and you have to support people and you have obligations, I understand. I'm not saying you should go fucking risk your life on a whim. But I am saying that like if you can pick a path in life that is more enjoyable. I feel like there's a lot of miserable rich people. It's not the end all, it's a trap. What you really want is to feel good. You really want to feel good about your purpose in life.

57:59Like the things you do, the way it impacts other people. And that's what you guys do. You guys make sure that the look on people's faces when you deliver those cars. I mean, for us, that's what gets you out of bed every morning. Because it's hard work. You know, just like how you're out there sweating your ass off and bust in your balls. And I'm sure sometimes it's tough. Building cars is the same way. I mean, they rip your heart out. They challenge you. It is tough, tough work. But the finished product, the goal and what makes it all worthwhile is giving you a car and you drive it. You're like, holy fuck, the thing's bad ass.

58:30Yeah. It doesn't matter if we made money, lost money, you know, what's going on. That's the goal. That's what I thrive on, you know. Yeah. That was going to be my point when you hit on it. You're coming from the mentality of you're going to always work as hard as you have to. And then some to be successful at what you're doing. And then because you put in the work, you're achieving goals, which is what makes you happy. There's people out there that don't want to put in the work. Right. And they're unhappy because they're not seeing success, but they're not seeing success or being gratified or being happy with what they're doing.

59:01Because they're not willing to put in the work either. They don't know what to do. Some people just have no experience in putting in the work. They don't know what that even means. They don't know it grind. Yeah. They just didn't have like one, that's one of the things that I think is very important about kids with competition, any kind of competition, whether it's chess or whether it's athletics, sports. There's something about realizing that hard work equals getting better. And hard work equals performance. Like you perform better when you work hard. And you learn that through the extreme examples of like wrestling.

59:34Like people who go through wrestling practice, like you realize like this is hard to do. And if you can get good at this, you can kind of get good at anything. Because if you can push yourself mentally to deal with the grind of wrestling practice, you can kind of do anything. But it's just if you can learn those that less than early on though about working hard. Some people don't ever learn it. They just play video games and eat Twinkies and then one day they're 40. Like I got to get my shit together. Wrestling practice, like you said, being at wrestling practice and doing it hard is hard. Becoming a good wrestler is even harder because it's not just at wrestling practice.

1:00:10Like you said, it's when you come back from wrestling practice and thinking that you deserve a fucking treat. Because you worked really fucking hard that day and you need to eat like shit or you need to do this or you get to go into. It's all of the lifestyle to perform at a high level that's fucking hard. Not just the act of doing what you're trying to do. Well, especially when you get to like a championship level. When you get to like, you know, all Americans, state champs, national champs. I mean, those guys, there's not a stone unturned. And those guys are animals. They're doing everything exactly the right way because the competition is so stiff.

1:00:42If you don't do it the edge between you and another guy who's equally talented but works harder. He's going to get better than you. He's going to bypass you. And you feel it in practice. There's guys that, you know, you know, are running in the morning before practice. You know, these guys are doing the stairs. Those guys have more gas. Those guys are more driven. And you always notice because those are the guys that win in the training room. And that's the same with Jiu -Jitsu. It's the same with kickboxing, with everything. Like the guys who, there's, there's guys that are like very naturally talented.

1:01:12For whatever reason, they just have great genetics. And they learn things better. But oftentimes those guys don't work as hard. Like sometimes the really naturally talented guys are a little lazy because it kind of came easy to them. They get outworked. Yeah. Which, the rare ones are the ones that are super talented and also crazy disciplined. That's how you get a Michael Jordan, right? That's how you get a Mike Tyson. You get crazy discipline and insane talent and insane genetics. And then your Fox. Because you're not going to beat that one. This is only a video though. It's the, the loading everything to just winning and like nothing else matters.

1:01:49That's the goal. That's the only direction. You sacrifice everything else to get to that level. Yeah, I think that's not good either, right? It's your fucking life as a disaster. But there's one thing you do. You're the best at. That's interesting too. Competition. Yeah. You have that competitive. I want to be better. Do you guys make cars like thinking about shows, thinking about like SEMA and showing people up? Do you? You know, we used to do stuff like that. You know, where you're like you're competing for an award. But it's not. You're never looking at like I'm going to do this because I want to win this award.

1:02:28You're just trying to make the best possible car you can. And it, yeah, it's great. Like at the finish line if you get said award. And sometimes you've got some customers that like that. You know, some, some guys are like trophy chasing or they like parking the car and sitting at the show and, you know, yeah, waiting there for the award ceremony and getting that, you know, half million dollar car. And you get that $50 plaque and it makes it all worthwhile. Right. But, no, man, I mean, for, we've changed gears like quite a bit over the years that for me, it's the driving experience. You know, making a car that's like so functional, workable.

1:03:03That's just a blast to get in and drive. And it's more rewarding like getting a guy. I like, dude comes up to the shop picks up a car and drives it a thousand miles home. That's better than getting that little plaque. Right. You know, I'd add a car show because you blew through an extra like $700 ,000 trying to make something over the top. Right. All for that, you know, yeah. And most of those cars are not drivable at that point or you're going to be scared to death to drive it. Not drivable when you're going to like the, you know, insane show car trying to win every day. Really not drivable? So you get, it's, when you look at our industry, laugh at me.

1:03:41No, when you look at our industry, it's, it's wacky. Like the stuff you see that's so over the fucking top, like those hero cars and stuff. That's not something you're going to jump in and drive. You're not driving that to work. Right. When you say hero cars, you're talking about like those Baja racer things. Yeah, you see stuff that's like like, like, like, like, yeah, like, see Michelle coverage or like these, the biggest, like the riddler word like Josh says, you've got these cars that are like, million, two million dollar builds. I've crompleted rotors. Yeah. And felt pads, you know, this is like, show car, show car.

1:04:13Oh, so you can't even drive it at all. No, you can throw it in the now the trailer. Yeah, the tires are all wrapped in so the tires don't get dirty. And what? Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's kind of like going away now. Thank goodness because of the audience and the, or the customers are changing, right? And they're wanting to use these cars, right? But everybody was so focused on chasing that trophy or going to go into a show and win in that trophy. We want to go and make a good showing for the company with whatever we bring, right? But worrying about a panel of judges or somebody judging the car and them deciding what's cool, that would be like, you not having an audience and just having like Simon Cowell and Paula Abduel saying if it was a good joke or not, you know.

1:04:52You want, you want the gr - you want you to know that you're doing good and by the audience and everybody be like, fuck yeah, that's awesome. And we want our customers and you want your fans and, and, and people that buy our chassis to be like, that's fucking cool. What would be the purpose of felt rotors? So it doesn't scratch the chrome and stuff like that. It's, these are show car. It's, it's felt pads and chrome rotors. Yeah, out of the trailer, man, that's it. It's almost like paint tires so they look black and they look always perfect. It's almost like if you look, and I don't want to, this to sound like disrespectful, but like a competitive body builder first like a fighter, right?

1:05:27They're both working out there, but these, this dude's building his mouth. He's not using him for anything other than flexing him. Right. That dude might like show muscles. You're talking about show muscles. Well, I guess, you know, it's the same thing with cars. Like he build these over the top cars and all they do is the kind of thing they're in the difference between like an NFL running back. That dude's working out. That dude's working out as he wants to just fucking accelerate down the field like a rocket ship versus someone who just wants to. Yeah, who wants like just be a mass monster. Right.

1:05:56Yeah, I just don't understand why anybody would want to make a car that they're not going to drive. I just that mind said that doesn't, I don't get that at all. Like there's only one reason to have a car. It's great. I mean, there's been some wild stuff like people that like take down the side of their garage or their barn or the top story of their house and place a car in it, build it back up. And the car lives there forever. It's kind of like, I mean, some of it I get it could be like art. Or make something that's absolutely fucking beautiful. And it's an art piece. But to me, it's did your building cars because you want to drive it.

1:06:28Yeah, should be. I could see having like a really old like Ferrari sitting in one of them rotary things that spins around as like an art piece because they're fascinating to look at. Sure. And driving them is probably not the best experience. Yeah, not. You're driving like a stock old GTO. No, and I never have to probably pretty engaging just tons of stock old muscle cars. They're terrible. You get no one for that stock could be the worst performing vehicle ever. Really? Yeah, the ultimate American sports car and there were always a maze that they're still on the road. The people are just wide up in ditches everywhere.

1:07:09I do that bad. Oh, it's so bad. So all that stuff. You got like the so the Bronco market, you know, that's great. Like the early Bronco stuff. Yeah. Because those are, that is a popular, popular truck. And that's one of those things where somebody sees they just see it and they just want it because they think it's cool. And they think they're going to drive it. Right. Like, dude, you're not dry. That's not your Range Rover. Right. You're not going to drive it. But that's, and that's just sure that they want to drive it. It just physically doesn't perform well enough for them to drive it. But I mean, that's what we do is fix all that shit.

1:07:41You know, you get that classic look at the car, but it functions like a new vehicle. I have an icon Bronco. Okay. So that's all chassis. That's everything. Yeah, same thing. But even that, it's like it's so raw. Like the difference between driving that and driving a modern like a G -Wagger or something like that. It's a joke. Yeah. How often you drive that thing? Well, right now it's getting worked on. So I'm getting some upgrades. Upgrades. I've got a Coyote in it. Yeah. Yeah. Supercharged. Let's go. See, that's DIC. I mean, you're thinking about the Camaro Man. Let's get to the car. I like a little dice.

1:08:18I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. It's just having an on that. What do you do with that? That truck's just for like bobbing around town? Oh, yeah. It's just for fucking around. Yeah. I have a land cruiser that Icon made for me. That's a real like performance lands cruiser. It's like really set up for off -road. And it's real. It's got a supercharged LSA in it. Nice. So it's got a lot of power. Sure. But it's got those solid axles and it's lifted and... All the good stuff. When the snow came, you know, we had like a snow pockleps and everything shut down in Austin.

1:08:51I loved it. My car was like a Labrador Retriever just rolling around the snow like, yay! It's just what... It's like this is what we're designed for. Yeah. It just handled everything so well. Like I literally built an apocalypse truck. It's got a big ass gas tank. Backseats come out so it can be completely flat. You can store things in it. It's got extra batteries. It's got winches and the whole deal. Nice cool. What can you do about it? EMP pulls. A boat. Well, if that happens, is that shut off regular cars? How does it do that? It rises all the electronics. So if fry the electronics that runs the LSA.

1:09:27You got to have like something on a run on biodiesel. You're going down a fucking rabbit hole. Oh, dude. You're getting on that apocalypse vehicle. It's built in the Model T. So what would cars start in that? Yeah, right. What would cause the EMT flare? They talk about China doing an EMT flare. They talk about it. Who's the A? You and I for it. You see that? Yes. What do you read, Chad? Well, it is possible. That is the thing about all these cars that are controlled by electronics. It's something to think about. You know, these modern engines, these crate engines. They all come with electronics.

1:10:01Yeah. I don't know. He's something like that happens. I'm just going to go out with whatever the fuck's going on. I'm not too worried about that. You're going to run around. Yeah. I think you get the right idea with your apocalypse vehicle. Well, Jonathan Ward, he does some cool shit. Yeah. It's all icons. Yeah. Jonathan's an interesting cat. He is. We had him on. We did a little podcast. We had him on there. He's cool, so. He's kind of like a competitor, I guess you'd say. But we respect him. We had him on. He's an eccentric dude, man. Interesting. He's a real artist. He's a real artist. And, you know, he, what he's doing is interesting too.

1:10:33He takes a lot of cars like you guys do when you do the legend series. Well, he doesn't do anything to the outside of him. He leaves this funky old patina of like sun big paint and blotches and shit. But meanwhile, inside it's a macular and the suspension is a macular and everything drives incredible. Yeah. I mean, he does that with a bunch of old cars. That's like the majority of our business, believe it or not, like all the dudes that have had like really over the top, Chinese cool big dollar cars. They all want that. Find like an old Camaro. It's priceless, right? You find a 69 Camaro that's got faded old paint and it's unsuspecting flies under the radar.

1:11:11But it's like 800, 900 horsepower crazy motor air conditioning power windows full chassis underneath it. Yeah. A sleeper. Well, there's something cool about that too, because you're not worried about it getting dirty. That's the thing about people walking up to their car with the microfiber cloth and just having to wear that. It's like, come on, man. I've only built patina cars because I can't stand wiping down my own stuff after dealing with customer cars. Oh, really? So your personal cars are all patina cars? Yeah, really. What do you got? 77 C10. He's got a 76. Here's a 77. He's a lifted mind's lowered.

1:11:44We're doing a 70 trans Am. Trans Am's were a car. The burnt rental days. Those are a car that still kind of holds up. Yeah, this is a little pre -burnt rental. This is the 70. Oh, those are great. That's an ass kicker, dude. You talk about like, you know, that falls right in line with your Camaro. Let me see a 70 trans. 70's white with the blue stripe and it's a rare, rare car because that's another one. It was original paint. Look at that. Yeah. That's a dope car. Yeah, there's something about the hood scoop and those cars that just like, especially the burnt rentals ones. A lot of people done like restomats on those.

1:12:20Yeah, the burnt rental. That's one of those things where it's like that. Jesus Christ. What is that thing? Yeah, that's wild race car thing. That's when you're seeing the kind of builds. But the burnt rentals when so many people have done that. Yeah. That's a car, the 70. Yeah, that's a car that like, that proves you can buy cool. Because you find that. Yeah, I don't care who the fuck you are. You're driving that. You're a bad motherfucker. That's a cool car. That's a cool car. It's a cool car. Yeah. Yeah. Those old trucks lend themselves to that patina look, don't they? They do. So I drive, I drive a 77, it's four by four.

1:12:53It's one of those legend trucks. That's the only, that's my truck. You don't have to show it? Ah, it's on the way. Well, if you just Google like roadster shop legend 77 truck, it comes up. There's a bunch of articles and stuff on it. But that's what I daily drive. It's, yeah, that tan one that's shredding the blue one's mine. Tan one's his. Where's the tan one? The upper left. Yeah, any other down there. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. That's it just getting after it. So what's that got in it? That's a 650 horsepower supercharged LT4. But it's all like independent front suspension, push button four wheel drive.

1:13:26Oh, wow. That's, yeah, I drive. I leave it outside. I don't park it in the garage because my kids toys are all filling up, you know, one half of the garage. And that's my daily transportation. Wow. That's a sleeper, huh? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, that thing just racks dudes. And like you're, I drive a lot of cool fast shit where it's flog and customer cars, but that truck. It's like any time I drive it, there's some dude and like a C8 or some badass muscle car. And I just ruined their day constantly in that. Put it in four wheel drive. It's probably pretty light. It's not, yeah, it's like, you know, probably four, or four thousand pounds.

1:14:02For a big ass truck, that's pretty light. That thing's great. That's like a modern Mustang, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're right in line with any of that stuff. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy with 650 horsepower. And it's a truck. And it's essentially like a 2018, 2019 Chevy truck has got all the new Chevy suspension under it, independent front and the live axle. And I mean, it's got the radiator module, the cooling stack. I mean, under the hood and underneath it is like a brand new Chevy truck. Does it handle like a brand new Chevy truck? It's like a brand new truck. You get 100 miles an hour down the highway, one hand on the wheel.

1:14:33Wow. Yeah. But there's something cool about that, like you talked about the patino and the thing. We've got so many of these customers. We're building a dozen of these things right now for guys we built other cars for. But it's like a old pair of boots or old pair of jeans that you can't buy. A new pair that would fit like that, right? So you're you're finding these like we got one. It's like a northwestern like Oregon or Washington, like a state park truck, right? It was that green. And it's that thing had what 20 something thousand original miles on original paint. And it's a cream puff interior is cool.

1:15:04And then another guy's finding one. He's like, well, that's Matt, Matt Saxon. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This should know. Yeah. Yeah, your built. Yeah, he sent me pictures of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty dope. You're still able to build a one -off car that can't be duplicated because you're finding something super unique and original that. Mother nature weathered for you. Yeah. And then have something nobody else can have. And you're finding stuff that came from fire departments or old ranches. I mean, guys are searching on it because you want that little bit of that story of like. Nobody's going to recreate this truck that.

1:15:34Yeah, there's my car. Yeah. Ooh, baby. Take that fucking thing, son. What a sexy car. I never get tired of looking at that one. Well, I told you guys a story about why I was infatuated that car. When I was 16 years old, my friend picked me up in one. His buddy was driving it was his car. And I was, I remember being in the car, thinking, how can someone own this? How is it possible that this could be, like, you could have this? Yeah. Someone can have this? This is insane. Because it was so cool. What year? What era? Same exact one for me. Yeah, one second going down. I guess it was 82, 83. Somewhere around there?

1:16:08It's 16. Yeah, it was 83. Yeah. And I remember just thinking, this is the most insane thing. I can't believe a person could own this car. It was just so cool. And he ran out of gas. It was really funny. And coasted right into the gas station and stopped right at the pump. This is the coolest guy I've ever looked. He was a chevelle. He runs out of gas the perfect time on a hill and coasting the fucking gas station. Like literally we were laughing. Like filled the gas tank right there. Oh, the chevelle. The Camaro and now the Cuda are three very similar yet completely different vehicles. But each one of them has their place.

1:16:48I don't know. You feel different driving the chevelle. It's a different state of mind. I do. You feel like you're feeling like fucking wood or something. You feel like Matthew McConaughey. Are you friends with anybody? Has he seen it? No, he hasn't seen it. I told him I have it though. That shaped my career. Fucking movie. And that car. And then here, that's why that car exists is because of him. Matt came to us to build one where like it's going black and white and he had 100%. This is what you're getting. Blives and white is the best. I've seen some cool ones that are silver with black stripes.

1:17:20That's pretty cool. That's good. But number one is black with white stripes for that car. There's the other ones like the red with white stripes. It's not as tough. Red with black stripes. What was that movie? Reacher. He had a red with black stripes. Yeah. It's not bad. No, not as cool as Wooderson though. Yeah. Let's just sometimes like with a certain shape, that color. Just like color combinations are just iconic. Yeah. Yeah, that car. The body lines in the side of it. It's got these like cool little hips and eyebrows. And the body lines and the black makes it pop. Yeah, it's just again that's that era where they just figured some shit out.

1:17:59That wacky dude does crazy suits. How do you pick that? Like you got the chevelle sitting there and the Camaro sitting there. What frame of mind are you and you're like, I'm taking the chevelle. I don't know. What's the decision process? The chevelle's the loudest and least civilized. Yeah. Out of all the cars. It's the most rowdy because it's got that 454 in it. You know, naturally aspirated. It sounds insane. And it's so like in the interior of it looks exactly like except for the dash. It looks exactly like the original car. It's much more of a throwback. You know. It's like asking what album you're going to listen to.

1:18:32Yeah. It's like what news. It's like, yes. Well, that's what I was getting at. Yeah. That's only if that was my favorite Matt would send it back to the shop when we're doing road tours or something. And we do the basic service work and then ship it to wherever he was going. And get it and just rip first, second, third in that car. It was just smile ear to ear. I'm like, fuck, yes. This is why we do this shit. You're rolling that fucker through the high school. It's trying to pick up them high school girls. All right. All right. Did you have to roll your sleeves up or did it do it automatically?

1:19:02I did automatically when it came in. Hair kind of grew out a little bit longer. Yeah. That look of the rolled the cigarette and the upper sleeve. Yeah. Where'd that go? That went away. I did. It's probably a blessing. That was a cool look for guys for a while. It would roll a pack of cigarettes up in their sleeve. What about that? Yeah. You should bring it back. I've never, I've, fortunately, never. It is. The cigarettes in the sleeve. Look at them. All right, all right, all right.

1:19:32It's a, I don't know why they ever did that. I don't, I wasn't around for that era. You'd think you'd have pockets maybe. You'd think jeans were too tight for pockets. I think so. I think you weren't as weird back then. They're just lost. Just showing everybody off that they smoked. They had no internet. They didn't know what to do. They were just trying to imitate cool people. They didn't know what to do. They'd be beginning of modern culture. Yeah, that's as cool as it gets from me right there. What's left on the bucket list for cars? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just enjoying what I got right now.

1:20:06That's how I'm kind of doing it. It's like, come on. I got a lot of cars. Yeah. It's a lot to look after. Yeah. It's stressful, isn't it? No. No. No. It's stressful for me. It's like being poor is stressful. Well, yes. I hate to say it like that. I hate to say it like that. I hate to say it like that. It's just a thing. It's just a thing that you do. It's not stressful. It's just a thing. You know. You gotta do things. Yeah. I accumulate too much crap and it stresses me out. It can, if you let it fuck with you. Yeah. But that's like hoarders, you know? Yeah. That's the ultimate example of it. You're not there yet.

1:20:39No. Yeah, look at all this shit going on. Fucking eBay now. All these people that, I mean, even just like iPhone 1 is going for big fucking money. And like all these electronics that nobody, like, no, there's no key of phones that were bulletproof or whatever, going for big fucking money on the internet. All this shit from our area that we threw out and fucking shoe boxes, it was in the kitchen drawer. How much would be on my mind? I'm fine. I'm fine. One's for going for big money. 60 ,000 dollars. Yeah, out of here. What do you even find one in a package still? What do you do with it? Oh, it's being sold?

1:21:07Yeah, that's the big problem. How weird is that? How weird is that? Some of it would give you 60 ,000 dollars for a phone that sucks. Do you see them? Last week they were talking, this is on the news or whatever. This is all dumb, useless knowledge. That's your area of expertise. They were selling the iPhone. If you had an iPhone that hadn't been updated, it still had the Twitter logo and not the new X logo. They were selling those for big money. I swear. But it'll automatically upload if you give them a word. It'll automatically upload. I guess somebody has to pass their app. They'll have to sell.

1:21:42Who's going to spend big money for a phone just because it's still got the old Twitter logo? Like what's the... Dorks, the same kind of people that have felt rotors in their cars. There's dorks out there. People like weird shit. I don't understand. When Post Malone was on here, he told me he paid $2 million for a magic the gathering card. Dude. That's a bit much. I would have paid him a little price. I was a little nerdy. Oh, he loves that shit. Yeah, when I was hanging out with him backstage after a show, he's like, we're going to go play magic the gathering. You want to come? No. Dude, that's...

1:22:17You guys have a good time. That's what happens. I remember the magic the gathering kids in high school and you're fucking with them, right? But now that they grow up to be Post Malone. Who's laughing at Post Malone? Most of them do not. The vast majority do not grow up to be Post Malone. Yeah. But yeah, he... I mean, he's into it. I mean, who knows why people are into it? He's into muscle cars too. He's got a crazy Hennessy 6 wheel Raptor. It's like a Velociraptor with the four wheels in the back. Man, that's definitely like a... It's a statement piece. I guess it's the plate we have put in that.

1:22:55I just don't understand that car. Would you drive one of this? Yeah. I have a had one. I drive it. Would you have one? I have a Hennessy. I have a TRX. Yeah, I have a 1000 horsepower TRX. It's ridiculous. The 6 wheel though always just seems like it's the Eastern European villain from one of the Fast and Furious franchise. Right, right. It's just... It's from Despicable Me. It's Bruce Car. It's just a little... Yeah. He says he can't park. He says he goes to Applebee's and it sticks out and he feels bad because it's like fucking jutting into the next car. Him going to Applebee's is the punchline of that story.

1:23:29He loves Applebee's. Really? Yeah, I post loves Applebee's. Damn. Do you get the sampler over there? The sampler fucks it up. At least. Yeah, I'm with him, dude. Yeah. Applebee's has some fans. You know, comfort food. Jack Daniels. That was it. That was it. That's TGI. You're confusing your shitty raps. That's smart. What's a 1000 horsepower in a TRX? It's ridiculous. It's so fast. You use the power. I mean, you kind of do. I mean, what it does is just does like, normal acceleration much quicker. Post has a black one, I think. Is it white? Oh, yeah, that's it. Okay. I saw, oh, with the photo that we showed of his the other day was a black one.

1:24:13It must not have been his unless he got a new one. Be nice. He's a wild fella. I'm not going to say shit. He's into some cool shit. He's a cool fucking dude. Good for him. Fucking get whatever the fuck you want. That's got to be a heavy ass truck, too. It. That's a lot of weight. That's a lot of, that's just a lot of thinking things. To fuck with. To be honest with you, Josh has a Raptor. I can see you modding that thing out and a second set of wheels to it. That's a kind of your style. A little bit. They like to fuck with me. All parking that thing, fucking long ways in front of the shop. You could put the doberman in the front.

1:24:48It does seem like a waste of time. A little bit. Why not put two in the front, too? How about three in the front? If I got six. I'm having the back. Six wheel Raptor. I've got a mini giraffe. I'm not fucking with the doberman at that point. I'm just doing a mini giraffe. Just a giraffe with the head out the window. Not known what the fuck's going on. Have you guys ever had someone come to you with a project? And you're like, I don't want to do this. You know, things have changed over the years. I'll say that. I'm sure it's similar to your career. Like when you got first started, young Joe Rogan, like somebody came to you for some TV show thing.

1:25:21Or something like that. Sure I'll do that. In our youth early days, we painted a fucking car like a lobster. Three guy. Dude, it's... Yeah. Didn't think we were going there. I'm going to get a full car. I don't have any shell. I'll disclose it. It was a 1940 to 30 something Hollywood gram that somebody hot -rotted. He's in the seafood business. So he wanted it painted like a lobster. So we legitimately took this thing and airbrushed ever. It looks like a fucking lobster. Is it online? I don't think we put that on the website. We kept that off. Just because you worried someone else would ask for something.

1:25:58Yeah. I thought it was a plan. It's out there somewhere. No, I mean, where we're at now, you know, we've got such a massive backlog of work that you can... Yeah, I don't want to do something that you want to be a little passionate about it. Sure. Right, so if it totally sucks. Right. What kind of... A polite, fully declined. That's just not really... Most of the customers that are coming that are legit and they want something built. They're coming because they're fans of their followers. Again, like artists not to put ourselves on anything. But they've seen the work you've done previously and they're like, I want to roadstitch a shot version of whatever.

1:26:32Right. Do your thing. Fucking, I mean, you've been great about that. Like, I fucking want to chavelle. Whatever. The bad part is when it's a video that launches or anything that goes up. You get a massive influx of customer emails. Phil has to usually deal with those. And it's the ones that, unfortunately, you have to get back to everybody, treat everybody like the same. But if it's a... I've got a 92 Corsica. And I want to do it. Rear -wheel drive with an LS. How much would that cost? Well, we all know that that's probably not... If you had the money to build the Corsica, you wouldn't own a Corsica.

1:27:08You know what I'm saying? Right. You would have something else. You'd be calling about a Camaro or something like that. That's your eccentric rich dude. Yeah. None of those is paid at pay. No, it's not Corsicas. I don't even remember what a Corsica looks like. It's like the... It was one of the shitty front -wheel drive GM cars that were like... Have you had anybody come to you and say they want to build something like this up? Oh, yeah. Oh, it happens all the fucking time. It's 10 a week constantly. Emails. Yeah. Basically to change anything from what it is. If it's front -wheel drive, they want to make it rear -wheel drive.

1:27:38It's rear -wheel drive. Let's make it front -wheel drive. Let's make it all -wheel drive. Let's make it EV. Right now, the EV thing is stupid. Let's EV everything because... Or... Un -e -ve -it. I've got a Tesla. Let's put an LS in it. I know Rich Benwaw did a lot of stuff there. But it's always... I just... These casers want to fuck with shit. Let's just... Let's do something that wasn't done. Interesting. And it's not about because it's cool or let's make something beautiful. Let's make it usable. Let's just... Fuck with it. So, do you guys have a large backlog now of people that want to do projects?

1:28:10We do, yeah. I mean, on the car build side, you know, we probably... At any given point, we're working on 30 -ish projects. And it's... I mean, it's a couple of years to get something going. Damn. But the bulk of our business is our focus is the chassis manufacturing. So, you know, we build, I mean, over 1 ,000 performance chassis a year. And that's... That's the fun one where you can take on those projects like that. Like, dude, calls... There's a bricklin kit car that was just in the shop. But... We've got donks that come through there and stepvans, delivery vans, like crazy stuff because...

1:28:45Oh, you're a truck. Somebody else is going to spend... We'll build the chassis. Somebody else is going to take it from there. Right. And they're going to... I know the shop's doing it. Right. You know what a bricklin looks like? You know. You look good in a bricklin. What's a bricklin? It was like a key. It was like a key. It was like a two car from the 70s. S, V, or whatever. Yeah, they put them on a Corvette chassis. They got the whole winged doors and it was... Oh, God. For drug dealers. There were four guys that played Magic the Gathering. Kind of carguests. Yeah. No, these would be successful hobby shop.

1:29:12Look at that thing. Successful hobby shop owner is perfect. Successful hobby shop owner is hilarious. That's a hilarious description. Wow, what a gross piece of shit. Right. Things awful. Things awful. Yeah, but the cool... The cold... The shop that's building it and the customer, they get a vision, they're going to take that and modernize and do a bunch of crazy cool shit. But... Yeah, to see that. I've seen people do stuff like that with like... with Ford F40s. You know? Yeah. I've seen them do stuff like that. It's pretty interesting. You know, like modem and wide body them. And that car is tiny.

1:29:49That's a tiny little car. Oh, which car? The Ford, the original Ford GT. The original one. Not the 2005 one. What is it called? Not F40. What is it called? GT Ford GT. GT Ford GT. That's a six car. Six car. But a lot of people have done things to those. Like taking them and like extremely modded them. And put twin turbo engines in them and wide body them and shit. And it's just like, wow. Yeah. Well, superformance brought those back. So they made it available. Because you get like an X -ray production in that car. Oh, really? They're starting with kit cars. Yeah. They do that. The original ones are worth millions.

1:30:24Who does that? Superformance. They do a ton of them. SUV. SUV. Super. Oh, superformance. Oh, okay. Yeah, they do a lot of the cobras and stuff. They're fucking bad. It's a nicely built piece. But that's a car you don't need that kind of power. And I mean, that thing's like this big. Yeah, they're so tiny. That's why it's crazy that people are putting like twin turbo charts, 1 ,000 horsepower engines in a bunch. Yeah, there you go. Wow. That'd be along the lines of the Porsche you're talking about. Just analog is totally shit. Look at that thing. Yeah, they do a good job. So they build a brand new one.

1:30:58It's brand new. Built exactly like the original car was built. Except the body's not aluminum. Wow. It's Shelby license. It goes in the register too. It is it is it all modern suspension and. It's exact duplicate of what was there. So it drives like the original car. Yeah, I think they got like a ZF trans axle, and I'm or something like that, which should be like a Pantera kind of trans axle. Modernized coil lovers and brakes, but yeah. But that's it. Yeah. So just some suspension components. A little mild upgrades. And same horsepower as you can modern motors. Yeah, you can put whatever you want in them.

1:31:33But that's a good example. That's like the Porsche example. Like put the right like 500 horsepower in that. The things can be a thrill. Right. Just an absolute blast to drive. Yeah, and if you went too much, it'd probably be unmanageable, right? Yeah, especially mid engine like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting how mid engine cars like this. Like in America, all we have is the Corvette. Right? That's what we've got. No, I mean, now you get the Corvette and you get the new GT. Which isn't exactly exactly. Yeah, but it's mainstream as the C8. Yeah, and I have the old GT. I have a 2005. That's a rad car.

1:32:08Yeah, it's a rad car. But it's like, there's only a few of those, right? But as far as production cars, like the Corvette is the first time America has made like a mass production car. Yeah. You've never gravitated to the newer Vets, have you? I don't like the automatic. If they had a stick, I'd buy one. They just don't do that anymore for whatever reason. It's like, I just think they're missing out on what's fun about driving a car. It's like Porsche still gets it. Mustang still gets it. But they don't get it when you get up to like the GT500. So that was the old thing about the old GT500. You could only get it in a stick.

1:32:41Yeah. I had to like a 2011 or something like that. It was great. That was a scary car. Oh, those fucking great. I loved it. It was way before trash control or anything like that. That thing was just, it was super squirrely. Like around corners and shit. But it was fun. You knew what it would do. But it was also just a thrill to drive. The rumble was very old school muscle car -esque. But with a new look to it. But it handled like a great handling car. It had a solid rear axle and just overpowered. Besides the front heavy. Tesla, what's the fastest car you've owned? The Tesla is the fastest by far.

1:33:22By far and above all the other ones. It just buries them all. But I have a 911 GT3 RS from SharkWorks. And that's a 2007. It has like 518 horsepower. It sounds like a dragon. Yeah. That thing's pretty fucking fast. And the handling on the things extraordinary. Yeah, it's so good. It handles so it's so thrilling. You feel everything in that car. It's so capable. That was a great car. That's a good wheelbase. Square, short, everything. Super light. And you get used to that ass end, that power coming out of that right behind you. It's very intoxicating. It's a totally different feel in the handling where the balance isn't of the car.

1:34:11When that thing slides out, isn't it kind of like a narrow window before it's gone? Yeah, it's tricky for sure. You got to know what you're doing. You can't just stomp on the gas when it's sliding. You're not Chris Harris. Just be careful. Don't do anything stupid. What's that kuda feel like pushing it through those same? You get some killer windy roads, but what's that kuda feel like compared to? It handles really well. It's really well. Well, that's, it's big, right? It's a big car. So it's a little different. It's a different kind of experience. But it handles so well. Because when you're describing the balance of it with the rear transaxle, that totally makes sense to me, because you feel that way driving it.

1:34:52It's like really balanced. You know, and it just glued to the road too. It's great. Kids are wiping to them at all. They give a shit. Nope. Don't wipe them at all. My kids do sometimes they think it's fun. But my wife thinks they're just loud and noisy. She thinks they look pretty. They look pretty but they're just loud and noisy. It's a thing.

1:35:14What about your family? Do they sick of them? My son's in my daughters in college. She's always been kind of into cool shit. But my son, he didn't care. Nothing about anything car related until he was 15. And then now it's, it's all it is. But again, he's, I mean, you know, he's met him. And his Conor McGregor still, his idol, you know, and he wants to live the Conor life. It's difficult to live the Conor life on a 16 year old budget. Yeah, it's difficult to do it on a Conor budget. The guy has to keep making tons of money. That lifestyle is crazy. Yeah. But he's, he's into it. He's got it. We've been fixing up a little, little Audi coupe for him.

1:35:57Oh, nice. And he's into it and shit. And then their kids are both younger, both their sons are. Yeah, my son's a nut with that stuff. Did he drove with me and your kuda out to Columbus, Ohio? We were kind of shaking that thing down. And he's, he's at 12 years old. And he's told you know, it's more about that car than just cars in general. And just about anybody, you know, he's into it. Yeah, well, it's, you know, it's fun. It just speaks to people. Yeah, for him, for being a kid. I mean, that's what's cooler than that. Like, if, you know, you look like kids are playing with matchbox cars and like, his dad's building the real ones.

1:36:32Like, the full scale. Do you think we're ever going to come to a time in this country where internal combustion engines are outlawed? I don't think so, man. I really don't. I think it's, I think you're going to see that like, come full circle. Well, just in my opinion. Outlawed or gone away because, well, because outlaw is outlawed as once for, for, as well. Yeah. It take California out of the equation though. But that's what they're doing. It's crazy. You can't buy new internal combustion engines after 2035. And I think this is like 20 something other states fixing to adopt it the same way because you can do it without a vote.

1:37:07Yeah, it's crazy. They did it without a vote. I don't think it makes sense. I really don't. I don't think there's enough minerals in the ground. I don't think they, just the mining alone that would have to happen and the reality of what happens in that mining. Like, people you need to understand what they're talking about. They're talking about batteries. Like, the, this idea that battery has just come from ferries. And that now, all of a sudden, you have this like zero carbon impact vehicle. Like, that's nonsense. That's completely total nonsense. You're ignoring the entire supply chain. The process of what it takes to make that.

1:37:41What is with people that they don't, they won't recognize that. They don't want to recognize that. Some people didn't know about it until I had this guy on my podcast, Sadarth Kara, who wrote a book about it and he went to the Congo to show these illegal minds. Like, what they're doing, I mean, it's not illegal. There's no law, right? But they have children working in these minds. They have women working in these minds with babies on their back. And they're mining toxic cobalt. And this stuff is, I mean, there's no protection, there's no safety. These people are like chipping this shit out of the ground.

1:38:15And that's a good percentage of all the cobalt that's involved in electronics and batteries and cell phones and all the things that we need. And it's not very publicized. And it's this man exposed it and he risked his life to do it. And he wrote a great book about it. And the podcast was, it was insane. Like, listening to his story and how he risked his life to get this footage. And, you know, there were several times where there was men guns and he got questioned and he had, you know, a bunch of people that were helping him. But he got out of there eventually with this reality that everybody now is faced with.

1:38:52It's like, this is how they get the stuff that you need to run your cell phone. Like, stop thinking that, you know, you have zero impact. If you're buying this, you're contributing to this. We all are. And we don't want to keep our fucking heads buried in the ground and pretend it's not happening. And to say that, like, everything has to be electronic. Like, slow down. Like, where is this coming from? Who's making it? What are the conditions like in the places where people have to put your phone together? What are the conditions like? Do you know? Foxconn has nets around the building because people were jumping off.

1:39:29What? Yeah, where they make iPhones. They put nets around the building because so many people were committing suicide. So instead, they're working constantly. They work constantly. They sleep there. And it beds underneath their desk or their work area. It was sleep underneath, work, sleep work. Show the photo of the nets around Foxconn. It's a bun. Look at that. The nets call out on the boils or listening. It could be worse. You know, wild that is? Like, if you're going to jump off a building, you can't do it here. Get out of here. Or if you do, you better have a good aim. You have to aim for there's no net.

1:40:07How do you explain that to people like when you're walking executives into the building? We've had a huge bird problem. What do we have? We've had a huge bird problem. I don't crazy that as you've had so many people commit suicide. And your solution is putting nets around the building. Those people just go up to the top floor. Fuck this. Bang. I want it to be over. Just lock them like all the casinos do. Yeah. Just lock the windows. Yeah. Did you get the roof's maintenance? You just got to be like better representation of both sides so that people understand. Well, really, we should be making phones in America.

1:40:37And they should be American, maybe with American wages where people get health and dental and all the stuff you're supposed to get. And you have a living wage. That's what it's supposed to be. And if your phone costs a little more to do that, and if Apple makes a little less, that's how it's supposed to be. You're not supposed to be using slave labor to do stuff. And we don't have an ethical choice. It's not like if you want to be a part of today's society, you kind of have to have a smartphone if you're answering emails and doing business. It's way more convenient to do that than not have one.

1:41:08And there's not like this very obvious ethical choice. Like, hey, this company only uses high paid labor. Everybody has insurance. There's none of that. They only work X amount of hours a day. There's none of that. But you get these things and they're all manufactured overseas. Is it 2030? Is that what California's long and thirty five? I think it's 2035 from here. If they were to do that and say it was nationwide, right? And no new cars after 2035 can beat. But they don't touch. I mean, obviously you're not going to be able to do anything with what's existing. Any of the ice motors that are out there that's going to be like judge dread.

1:41:45Yeah, imagine what the cost of like a 2020 F -150 would be worth then. You know, because - Is it desirable or less desirable? I mean, there's good. I mean, I would assume that at least 50 something percent of the population is going to be like, fuck that. I mean, I'm never going that. I'm going to keep buying my gas motors. Well, the thing that always is going to be an issue with cars is charging them. It takes time, right? So you have to sit there. So if you're fully out of juice and you're on a cross -country trip, how long does it take when you go to those supercharger stations to get you up to 100 percent again?

1:42:25How long is that? So a few hours? Yeah. Longer than you want to be sitting there. Yeah. So with rising crime and having places where you know people are going to be stuck and no security, especially in places like LA, good luck with that. Oh, yeah. My friend Eddie was telling a story the other day about him. He almost got robbed at a gas station. And he realized these guys were coming towards him and he got out just in time. And he said, like, the net scenario though, like, what's the problem that we're not solving that, like, why the further net? Why are you afraid to go sit there and charge your car at the gas station?

1:43:17Well, because you're going to get fucking robbed. Why are there so many hours? There's no one looking at airline travel and the way planes are made, doing anything away with doing electric motors on that kind of shit. There's a concept that's really currently being developed for a solar -powered plane. I talked to a guy about it like over a year ago and they were explaining it. They have, I think they've done a bunch of test flights and they're, you know, about, and it's going to be able to go a long way. I just don't know, I don't know how that works. You know, I don't know like, how much range does it have?

1:43:55How safe is it? You know, you don't want to be an early adopter. Well, it's not when you're in the sky. Like flying cars. Like, you see flying cars like, yeah, I'm going to sit that out. Yeah, give it time. Yeah, let's see. Yeah, let's see. You can keep an eye on it, you know. How many people are going to fly into that? How many people are going to fly into trees and start forest fires? I think when they announced that in California, it wasn't like the next day. They also had an announcement for people to stop charging their cars because of this. Yeah, really clearly. Please don't charge. That's the other thing.

1:44:25It was like hot and maxed out the grid. If everybody had an electric car, the strain on the grid would be monumental. I don't know if most grids the way they're set up right now would be able to handle that. Like if everybody had an electric car, wouldn't that take substantial upgrades to the grid? Yeah, it's just infrastructure, Joe. You just invest in infrastructure, man. I like how you saying it. You make sense. You're so confident. Do you think they're worried about all of that stuff or they know that it's impossible? That's why you push it out to... It just looks really good on the ballot.

1:44:58It does look really good on the ballot. That's part of the problem. There's a lot of people with these knee jerk reactions to very complex, nuanced problems, like the environment. I had Mike Baker on yesterday and we talked about this. One of the things you're saying, the vast majority of the pollution, the carbon emissions in the world is coming from China and India. It's the vast majority of it. They're not going to change what they do. What we do, we're not going to put a dent in what they're doing. There's a bunch of people that think that the way to get us out of this, the way to mitigate climate change in terms of human impact on it, is actually to build up poorer communities and get them on electrical system, get nuclear power to these places or so or something and elevate their standard of life.

1:45:47You'll have less pollution. You'll definitely have less issues in terms of health consequences of the people that live there. In turn, as they become more sustainable, they live a better life, their lifestyle is better, you'll have less pollution. People need to be incentivized. They need to have some sort of places in the world that have no hope and they just burn tires. They don't give a fuck. They're not thinking about the environment. They're thinking about how do I get by? How do I stay alive? Back to your point on making stuff here. I don't know the numbers, but I'm wondering what, if you were to say in 10 years we're requiring 90 % of every single thing we used to be made in the USA.

1:46:40You cut out all that air freight and all that freight line, all the shipping. The shipping is huge. Everyone's talking about providing jobs. What does that do for the carbon footprint? If we're not shipping all those freighters, we're building a ship here. If you Google it and granted this is just me looking at Google research. Look at what a container ship uses in fuel consumption. It's fucking insane. It's like the equivalent of every single vehicle in the United States and annually. It seems like a huge dent you'd put in it by us making this shit here and using it here. That would be a big dent.

1:47:21That would be massive. That's obviously a long -term project, unfortunately, when manufacturing really got out of the United States. When they started shipping and building cars overseas and ruined Detroit, I mean Detroit just fell apart. That Roger in me movie, you guys ever say that? Never seen. Never heard of it. You never heard of it? It's the fuck's his name? Jamie. Michael Moore. That guy. It's a great documentary and it's about Flint, Michigan. It's about right after they closed all the plants down and everybody just had nothing. Nothing to do and just like the city collapsed. And all that happened because they wanted to make shit cheaper.

1:48:04They wanted to pay people less and it's more profitable for them to have their manufacturing plants in other countries. It's nuts. That was the one song for Whitey the other day. Whitey Morgan. Yeah, I've heard the name. He was on the podcast and he did a local show and so like that. He's from Flint and his dad and granddad worked in the auto and he does a song. And he was telling about it? Yeah, we were talking to him about Michigan. It came up because we go to shows in Michigan and Michigan's got a very southern redneck pocket. It's weird because of how north it is but he talked about all the people from the south moved up there for these auto jobs and all the wages.

1:48:50And it's that area but he talked about the same thing. When they shut it down I mean it just killed that fuck specifically Flint and that's where he's from. It's a horrible story and they did that because they wanted to make more money. Imagine knowing that you're going to just destroy thousands of people's lives. Like instant life. I'm not like yeah I want to make more money. I'm not trying to put you on blast. I really want to know on it. I know I'm like three with this is going on a normal. I like how the kids say that these days. Put you on blast. Well on a purchasing decision when you're going to buy something.

1:49:23How big, how does that weigh on you knowing that it's made in America? Well I'd like to buy everything made in America if it was possible. I would like to buy everything made somewhere where people are paid fairly. That's what we, that's like what should be the normal ethical exchange for everything. If you go to a restaurant you want to know that everyone's being taken care of and paid fairly. You go to buy a car from you guys. You want to pay you for your work. It's a good exchange. That's what I think I like to think about. And the thing that bums me out is if you're buying something that you know is made by people that are essentially slaves.

1:50:04I mean the people working in Fox, what options do they have? Like what do they do? Is there an option to only work eight hours a day? No, it's probably not. It's probably insane that using young people to do it too. It's all fucking sketchy. Is there any American made electronics? There's no American made phones. No, I don't believe there is. Is there an American made cell phone that I'm not aware of? Well there will be, I'm still like, we've looked a separate for it. Yeah, there will be. That's a better question. That's what we're going to pivot to. That's going to be the freedom phone. It's going to be like a walkie -talking.

1:50:37It's going to suck. It's going to be like an eight year old android. That's going to suck. It's going to be a birdie car. Sure you got to plug it in, dude. You remember when those Samsung phones were exploding? They were catching fire and lighting people's cars? You imagine being in the head of PR. For that phone call. Hey, we've got a problem. I remember when they were making people shut them off on playing this. Yeah, you had to shut them off. If you have a Samsung device, shut your phone off. I was like, that is discriminating. I've been boarding on a plane and you see the shame of the people that don't want to admit.

1:51:18They're like, hey, do you have a Samsung phone? No one wants to be. Unfortunately, I'm been a Samsung guy. I'm an Android guy. Do you still, do they still give you a hard time about having it? No. No, they don't give you a hard time. I mean, all you friends do because on a text chain, you know, it's... Yeah, you fuck it up. I'm making green. Why do you want to stick with that platform? It's interesting. People with real rebels stick with that platform. I like the Google integration. Everything, Google through everything. But yeah, I guess there is a little bit of the rebel fact. If I were a bad ass, for a while.

1:51:51Honestly, I never thought you were that bad ass until you brought that up. That's pretty much the way it goes. That's some rough, some serious rebel shit right there. Yeah, green text. Oh, yeah. All my fucking texts come through green. I fucking blew text message. I think it's a dozen times in a year. I don't like having the whole everything, like Apple, iPhone, I cloud all the stuff. You have to have so many things linked together. It's just a fucking phone. And if I do a Gmail, you know it already medical. It's simple. I'm probably simple minded. That's why I like it. No, you just like it. It's okay.

1:52:26There's two choices. But then? Good one in the Android. Are the videos tiny on your phone when you look at them too? Yeah, the fucking stuff. But my videos are great. But why is that? That's the dumbest thing. But the thing is, like Apple's very smart about that. They're very smart. Eye message. Because if they just allowed people to send text messages with the same, you know, with eye message, where you get full length video, like they're full resolution, full resolution photographs, but nope. They can press the fuck out of that shit. Like second class citizens. But if you send one to your friends with another Android phone, does it come out normally?

1:53:02Yeah, it's full. It's full blast. You don't know anybody else that has an Android. Yeah, you don't even know. It's full shit. Total guess. I looked at its face. I'm like, I feel like he's lying. You and you can share, like you can go through the Google Share thing. And it's, you know, full. But you know what? It's some Google Share. Yeah, remember when they tried that Google Plus? Google Plus. This is, you don't need other social media. That didn't work. That's what's fascinating about social media. It's like people just find like YouTube, for example. Like you don't have a whole lot of other choices.

1:53:34No, you don't. Like it's, they've tried. Yeah. It doesn't stick. They just nailed it. They figured it out and they dominate. But it's like so simple in a way. You just, it's just a place where you can upload videos. Right? But it's, they've done it so much better than everybody else. It's weird where like trying to create a new YouTube like, oh, good luck. Good luck. Good luck getting people. They're so addicted to just looking on YouTube every day. There's so much to look at. What, uh, what's the threads of deal? It's like a Twitter, it's like a version of Twitter that, um, Facebook built, it looks exactly like Twitter.

1:54:11I think they're even getting sued because it looks so, right? Is Elon suing them? Is that real? Yeah. Well, they hired, uh, I think, well, I think I read they hired a person that worked at Twitter and they copied stuff. That's the lawsuit I think it's. Well, that's what happens when you fire everybody. That was in, that was in, that was in Silicon Valley, that HBO show. It's the same shit. Here it is. Threads user count falls to new lows highlighting retention challenges. Oh, no. How many people are on it now? Oh, this was even two weeks ago. They're down 82%. They're down 82%. Whoa. That's pretty typical for a new app though.

1:54:52It's hard to retain people. Yeah, the thing is like people are so addicted to like their TikTok. They go from the TikTok to their Twitter. It's like, it's very difficult to get people to change platforms. Yeah, I can get everybody to change. I've stayed off the TikTok deal. Me too. It's a little maybe it's a little too youthful for me. Dude, you're dancing in this fucking killer though. Yeah. I don't watch those videos. I just post them. It's very addictive. I'll tell you that. I watch people just scrolling through their TikTok all day long. So addicted, you just get constant stimulation, something, anything.

1:55:27Dancing, motorcycle crash. There's that, you know. My daughter in, she's in college and that's what she did. She did this sorority stuff and that's what they, I mean everything is TikTok based. It's all about TikTok. And China's tracking everything they do. Yeah. Everything. We think they're keystrokes. What are they doing with that? Who knows? I mean that constantly comes up like it's a concern. What are they doing? Well, here's the thing. As technology becomes more and more powerful, what you can do with data changes. And if you have a massive amount of data about people's behavior, their patterns, what they're interested in, what they gravitate towards, what retains them, what doesn't retain them, and then all the stuff you're not supposed to have.

1:56:14Like their email addresses, their fucking passwords, like their keystrokes. It can actually monitor the keystrokes that you have. So it could be sending that data. So it could be transcribing. Text messages, emails, like whatever you've got, not just on that, but also on other devices that are connected to the network. So if you have a network and you have devices that are connected to the network and that. That's nothing to do with that. Yeah, I believe it has access to computers that don't even have TikTok on them. Really? Yes. I think that's part of the user agreement. Didn't we read all this?

1:56:51Pull it up because it's egregious. When you read it, you're like, what? It's so invasive. Where do they store all the dick pics? Imagine the servers. There's like a certain cloud. So, dick heavy cloud. One of them big storm clouds filled with dick. This is what their terms of service, right? Yeah. So what I wanted to read is the one part that we, I know we read it on the podcast once. See if you can get us, yeah, I did read it off my phone. I'll pull it up. I know I got it in my notes. But it's like data is very, very valuable. Data is all that Facebook has. It's all that Google has. I mean, they have infrastructure and staff and all that stuff.

1:57:43But the big money is in the data. And no one even knew that that was a commodity. Everybody just gave up their data. Not ever thinking it was going to be insanely valuable for targeting people for advertising. Is that the biggest concern is what they can do from a financial standpoint versus like a malicious attack with that data? I mean, the real thing is like, we don't know what, I read something about DNA, you know, like one of those ancestry things where they got bought out and someone paid for all the DNA data. That's an interesting one. That's a little fucked up. See if that's real. Because it might have been one of them things where I was like scrolling through Instagram and it was like some wacky person screaming about something.

1:58:34You always got to double check these. See if that's real. I'm looking. But I don't know what, what, I mean, as technology increases, you have to think in terms of possibilities. Like maybe that data is going to be even more valuable and more personal. Like you don't, you know, we don't know like what we're giving up. Blackstone to acquire ancestry for 4 .7 billion. Okay, but do they, but do they have access to the DNA database of all the people that sent into ancestry? Right, what do they have? Do they have access to, did they buy the company or did they acquire the database as well? You know what I'm saying?

1:59:18For 4 .7 billion, I'd certainly think that they got all the assets and data. But is that, but that's the thing. Do they think of other people's personal DNA as an asset? Is it listed as an asset? Or is it just the business that does DNA testing that they bought? Because that's very, it's a very popular business. If I'm right, I'm going to check them and I want all that. Right, but I mean, I'm wondering if you can sell that. Like when people give up, when they send it in, right? When they get their DNA test done, are you giving up your rights to that information? I wonder if you signed any waiver when you scroll all the way bottom and, you know, terms and conditions.

1:59:54You're like, yeah, fuck it. You're not reading the 48 pages? Yeah. Like, hey, we're going to sell one day. All that shit goes with it. That's the scariest conversation about bio weapons that they could make a, they can make a bio weapon specifically targeted for you. Wow. If they knew your DNA. That's, you talk about like the TikTok and trying to have an all that shit. You know, you have something like a January 6th that happens, right? And all the red tape to get all of the, you know, geo data from Facebook and everybody else is like, fuck you. You know, we're not giving you shit. You think they can get anything.

2:00:32There's any backdoor deals like, hey, we need, US government working with China to get any of that shit to, if something were to happen like that, they have that kind of relationship to get it in backdoor channels of, like the US would get the information from China. Yeah. I don't know if China would have, they would have to admit they're taking it. And I think there's been like real disputors to like, with TikTok in particular, like where the data goes. I can't get this pop up to stop. What is it saying? China is the world's biggest face recognition dealer. And then it says in the sub headline that the US is the second largest exporter.

2:01:12Exporter. And there's a video I'm trying to find of this, what's happening. I said, the video was made as though this is what's happening in China right now showing the surveillance. It's taking facial recognition and showing you driving down the freeway in cars and tagging the license plates and a lot of stuff. And like even how or why that's happening is a big question. Well, they just want people to know that they're being tracked everywhere you go. Then you'll self -sensor, then you'll stay in line, you won't do anything. And in China, what's really scary is the places that have everything connected to a social credit score.

2:01:46So you have a centralized digital currency, and then you have a social credit score. And if your social credit score is too low, you can't do things. You can't buy things. You can't buy a car. How does your social credit score go down? You've got to be a good boy. You're Google search history. Yeah, what would ever it is? It's literally like your tweets, what do you do wrong, what do you do right? Did you pay your taxes on time? Like there's a... It's sketchy, stuff man, because you're not going to be a human anymore. You're going to be a human that's deeply influenced by the fact that you know you're constantly under surveillance.

2:02:22And that gives into tyranny. And people have control over your life that way. And the people that have access to the switch to decide whether or not you get money, whether or not you can fucking buy a plane ticket, whether or not you could buy certain groceries. Like, they just shut you off. I wonder if your of means can you buy credits for that social credit score? Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah, I'm sure that somebody's monetizing it. Make a million dollar donation and get another 50 points on your social credit scores. It's a price. It's a bribe to be able to buy a plane ticket. Yeah. That's our future if we don't wise up.

2:02:57So many people that just want... They want the government to have that kind of control because they think it'll silence the people that they oppose. They don't realize it's going to come for you to. Like, there's a real strong reason why the founding fathers set this place up the way they did. Because they knew that people getting control of things, they have too much power. And then so they made it like real complicated with multiple layers of justice. And that's just to stave off this fucking normal desire that people have to absolutely control the people that are under them. That's why kings existed.

2:03:34That's why monarchs and that's why rule emperors. That's what they've always done that forever. And it's just a natural human instinct for one person to want to control everything or one group to control everything. And if everybody's going to be their subjects. Glad we can just focus on building fucking cars. I'm going to just keep kicking it old school. You know, we're fucking manufacturing things out of steel in America. Yeah. And I don't have to worry about any of this because I'm not an important enough person that anybody's going to utilize any of that stuff against me. I'm just going to...

2:04:06It is weird that a country that requires so much of our stuff to be brought in. Yeah, it is. And our... And like you saw it like such a negative change when you started bringing in like steel from India, steel from China. Yeah. I mean, you'd get some stuff that was just crap. Right? You'd be like, we're manufacturing stuff and you're making a control arm for a car and you get a load of steel. And you look at this stuff and you just reject it. You're only using USA steel because the shit was just tear, rip, break, and... Yeah. So there's different standards in how people know your factory steel.

2:04:44Oh, wow. Oh, steel. Someone said that. Air quotes like hot cans and everything else. Someone said that to me about the Twin Towers. This friend of mine from New York, he goes, you know what? Nobody talks about it when they talk about the Twin Towers. I go, what? He goes, construction methods. He's like, who fucking knows if they use the right steel? Who knows where they got that from? Who knows if it's supposed to be two inches thick and they made it an inch and a half? Like cutting corners in construction and finagling shit and if they got their steel from a questionable source. I mean, I don't know.

2:05:20Maybe it's all American steel, maybe I'm wrong. But his take on it was like, bro. Like, this is like people like, towers aren't supposed to fall that way. Like, mmm, not supposed to be built that way either, probably. That was his take on it. Not mine. His take on it. And I was like, huh, I never thought of that before. Because I know that there are certain constructions, I'm not saying this construction company. Certain construction companies that do a fucking terrible job. And people find out about it way too late. And then, you know, these buildings that are just massive buildings that they have to fucking demolish.

2:05:51Yeah. Because they were just built wrong. Also don't know how good it, no matter how good of an engineer you are if you could plan for two fucking planes to fly in. Exactly. Exactly. And then the fires and the heat that comes along with that. I don't know if there's a simulation you could run on your... FIA analysis on that. Dude, was that the... how old were you in that happen? That was... That was twenty. I was nineteen. No, you weren't. Yeah, two thousand. I had to be nineteen. That was one of those moments where I think no one... There's like a few moments in your life where you're like, I remember exactly where I was when I heard that.

2:06:29I remember exactly where I was standing when I was watching the television. Yep. I got to go over and over and over again. I see it in that boom, boom. I remember my mom talking about it like it was when she remembers as a kid when Kennedy got assassinated. It was the same thing. It was like that same kind of focused around the TV whenever... I remember I was headed to work and got that phone call like... Holy shit. You know what's wild though? Those weeks after 9 -11 people were so nice. Oh, it was so different. You remember all the sporting events? Yeah. It was just like the Pride in the country.

2:07:04You'd walk in down the road just like high five in folks. Yes. I went to see the UFC in Vegas right after September 11th. And this is before I was working for the UFC. And I was in the audience and Tito Ortiz was fighting. He came out with an American flag. In the whole world. The whole place where plastic was just... Yeah. And I was with my friend Eddie and we were like, whoa. This is wild. It just felt so different. It felt so different. It's like America felt united. You drive down the street everybody had a American flag on their car. Those little American flag things stick to your window.

2:07:47It happens that way. I mean, it happens that way in your family, it happens that way in business, it happens that way in any relationship you've got to have. Unfortunately, that bad fucking thing. To remind you the good. To remind you the good and everybody comes together and it's like, all right, we can fight amongst each other about all kinds of fucking things. Yeah. But when something bad like that happens, you realize... It's so easy for people to lose perspective. And that's why the better things get, the more people complain. It's like people... It's so easy for people to lose perspective and not just appreciate things.

2:08:21It's human beings are always want more. You know, and never really... And then when something goes away, like I said about when you get sick, you realize like, oh. Yeah, what's your name? This is what's important. What's important is being healthy. It's more important than anything. If you were a rich person and someone said, okay, we have to stay sick. Like, you have a cold, a bad cold for the rest of your life. But you get to stay rich. Or you can just be poor again. You have to take being poor. You can't be... You'd have to be so fucking stupid. Do it. Look at all my money. Just walk around rich with the skills.

2:08:56Walk around rich and just tired all the time. Coffing everywhere you go. Can't go upstairs. Why didn't the country come together during COVID like they did after 9 -11? Well, because the country was divided. Everybody was literally divided. Everyone was isolated. That's a very weird, like, psychological experiment to run on people. I'm not saying they didn't on purpose. But if you wanted to do a psychological experiment on people, the best way to do it is to isolate them. Keep them from working. Isolate them. You got people already that are filled with anxiety. And then all of a sudden, this comes along for a lot of people.

2:09:29Like, it was psychological overload. And they were offered up one solution. This is as one solution. It's going to get us out of this. You got to get vaccinated. And they were telling everyone has to do it. You got to do it. I'm doing it. We're all doing it. And no one really knew what the long -term effects were. No one really knew how effective it was. No one really took into account that these pharmaceutical drug companies have always done shady shit. They have the most criminal fines. They're always getting busted. 25 % of their drugs get pulled after they get approved. It's just a wild -ass business.

2:10:07And if you ever watch dope sick or if you were reading anything about the Sackler family and the opioids, like these people, they make great drugs with great reason. They do wonderful things for people's health. There's a lot of great drugs that really help people. And then there's a machine that just wants to make money. And that machine is in cahoots with the media. And that machine was in cahoots with all the people that were promoting it. And the health agencies. And every doctor had to fall in line. And if they didn't, if they tried to prescribe other things, they risk losing their job. And so that's why people didn't get brought together.

2:10:43Because they were fucking terrified. And all the conditions were there to make people more divided. More divided and more scared. And some people still haven't recovered. I still see people with masks on to this day. Outside, walking around with masks on. They're driving in a car by themselves usually. All the time. Yeah, just people that were already probably like very anxious and very fucked up. I like the guy you saw three or four months ago. It's a stretched high abusa motorcycle, right? Big ass wheel on back. Guys got no helmet, but he's got a COVID mask on. Like, guarantee you, buddy, it's not the COVID that's going to kill you.

2:11:22Well, maybe just want bugs in his mouth. I'll respect it if you take it off. Is that what I imagine? You don't even have a helmet on. Like, you're going to get some bugs in your face. Yeah, but it's just like the standard paper shitty mask. It's like a cat when they hide under a table, but you still see their tail. I see you. That doesn't work. You're playing a stupid trick. Yeah, but a lot of it, I think, is gotten to be where it's sending a message. Yeah, they want everybody to know 100%. Oh, yeah, they're doing the right thing. I still wear a mask. I see people on Twitter like someone will declare.

2:11:58I still mask up everywhere I go. I double mask in public. And then underneath it, people like, yeah, me too. I do. I was just like shut in and saying people that don't want to let it go. And they'll probably mask up three, four, five years from now too. Okay, go ahead. But that's what it is. It cracked some people. And that those circumstances that had happened under where people were divided, because they were literally isolated at home. That just causes so much anxiety. And then you can't work. And then the bills are piling up. You don't know if you're going to lose your house and your business is shut down.

2:12:32Yeah, we got shut down. We got shut down for like, how long? Almost six weeks, seven weeks. California was a long Chicago. I was actually the start of the CUDA. That was. Yeah, we were shut down for six weeks. And him and John came in and cut the floor out of your car, built the chassis, built the floors. Yeah, I watched the Auto Topia LA video that you guys did. Yeah, dude, John does a kick ass job on those things. Yeah, we were talking about him last night. That guy so obviously loves cars. So it's infectious. It is. You can't fake that. Yeah. And that's why his channel's popular. You can't fake genuine appreciation.

2:13:15Yeah, I appreciate it. He's like a likable dude. Yeah. You like watching this stuff. Yeah, he's a good job of the video too. He just lets the cars speak from sales. He asks the right questions. He just fucking good. Yeah, and when he drives him, you can clearly see that he's having a great fucking time. Yeah, we had some. Yeah, the little video he did on the CUDA was cool because that was actually. We had some legitimate pissed off fucking neighbor. That was really cool. That made for a great video. I did. I was in the car. I didn't know that dude was fucking happy. What was he mad about? We're on some like where our shops at like just past the shop.

2:13:49It's like almost like the country, right? You're going to get on these country roads. And this dude just got so pissed because they were staying on the side of the road filming. But it was in his property. And he was mumbling something about him and I get my gun or the gun away. Or like, shut the fuck up. It's a public dam road. They had stopped and talked to the guy and the neighbor. He said you can park right there in that pull -around. So they parked in that pull -around because the neighbor gave him permission. Apparently the neighbor that actually owned the property says that's not the neighbor.

2:14:22Drive away to say it's okay. And he just instead of being like, hey dude, what's going on? We just came out hot. Yeah. How about the two neighbors who just fucking with each other. It's been an ongoing food. So they're like, I'm going to get him. Go park all of our cars. In his defense though, imagine we're just trying to enjoy a calm peaceful day at home and you here. BAM! BAM! You're doing these fucking - Pretty accurate. Led foot takes down that road. It's only went two or three, right? Yeah, it was two or three. They're loud. Who the fuck wouldn't like that? That guy. That guy. Yeah, that was the one guy.

2:15:00We know there's at least one. Yeah, he's at home watching Old Bonanza episodes. Wearing his mask. Yeah, some people are weird, man. They don't like loud noises. I get it though if you're in a country quiet setting. That's loud after all. Yeah, it is. Do you like seeing the videos of that car before you get to see it in person? Or would you rather have a surprise? No, I don't mind at all. It's great to see the videos. It makes me more excited to see it when I get it. But no, the videos are awesome. The one that Sean did was great. Sean did one on my 69 Nova too. The one that Steve's drove built me.

2:15:39That one's awesome too. Yeah, he's great. It does awesome shit. I'm just so glad that that's one of those things that came out of social media that's interesting. It's like an individual content creator that it's just like probably wouldn't get a job doing that on a television show. But it shows super successful just because it's genuine, just because he really loves cars and he's a real likeable guy. He's doing this thing. And it's like he doesn't look like your classic guy that is hosting a car show with quaff tear on Discovery Channel. You know what I mean? Right? So they want to decide what you say.

2:16:36They want to tell you where to stand. They want to set the scene. They have like all these things in their mind that they want the show to be in order for it to be successful. And they're defense. They think they have a model in their mind of what a successful show looks like. But what they... The problem also is they don't have a lot of time to make something successful. So if you're doing something like autotopeo, like what do you need? You need a few cameras. Like you don't need a lot. And you just upload it. It's not that much. Right? If you're doing a television show, you have union wages, you have trucks, you have grips, you have all these fucking people that are moving things around and carrying things, lighting.

2:17:13And then you have the executives, you have the people that are at the studio, you have... You've got 30, 40, 50 people that are involved in every project and millions of dollars in the budget. So if it's not successful right away, it's going to lose money. And then they just bail on it. So you have like a few episodes to catch fire. And if it doesn't work, you're gone. And then the new one comes in. And then they invest a sizable amount of money putting together some new thing. And by doing that, sometimes you make good shows when you got a bunch of great people with a good vision, but a lot of times you get too many things that don't work with each other that well.

2:17:50And whoever the person is that you wanted to host the show, never really gets to be themselves. So they never really get to like, people don't connect with them. They don't feel it. They just fake. And it doesn't feel that good. So they don't like it. So nobody watches it. Whereas you can do a show like... Look at Jay Leno's garage, the perfect example. Jay Leno was the host of the tonight show. It's like, yeah, he did a great job. But it was not that thrilling. It was just the tonight show. It was just this thing. It was mediocre, mildly entertaining. But when you see Jay Leno hosting Jay Leno's garage, he's great at it.

2:18:27He fucking loves car... He's so in his element, it's so normal and natural that guy loves cars. When he's talking about whatever it is, when he's driving around the car, asking questions, that guy fucking loves it. And so the people that like, weren't into Jay Leno from the tonight show days, because it was the clean family, corporate television, they love him now. They're like, oh, he's a car guy. Can you get the uncensored Jay Leno? The real Jay Leno. That's the real Jay Leno. And that's what you get with like YouTube and things like that now. And what you guys are doing on your podcast too, it's the same guy, you're just being yourself.

2:19:01Yeah. You know, and talking about cool shit. Yeah, just talking about cars and whiskey and other dumb shit. Yeah, dumb shit. Yeah, okay. Right. But people love like tuning in stuff like that. You know, they'd love like, no one, there's only a few people working on this. This is not like some massive project that involves corporations. And this is coming straight from a bunch of people. Yeah. And that's the thing that they can't duplicate. That's why like new shows like CNN, they just feel so fake. Everything feels fake. Everyone's talking fake and they, you know, it's like cut to commercial in every five minutes.

2:19:38It's like, what is this? It's like a shitty format. You think they realize that and if so, what's their pivot? They're trapped. It's working. They're trapped. Yeah. They're making money, but the viewership is low as it's ever been. It's really low. Like way down from the Trump era. Well ads have to be down too. I mean, aren't being major corporations going to get a bigger ROI from going to more YouTube channels or podcast or anything like that? Yeah, but there's also this interesting relationship between advertisement and influence. Like if a primary source of your ad revenue is a certain company, perhaps you won't report about things that company does that are bad.

2:20:23As long as they think advertising really happens. I think that's part of the relationship they have. It's not as simple as like this is the most profitable place to advertise. It's also this is a place that if we advertise, we continue this relationship. And this relationship clearly is in some way influenced by the money that it gets from these corporations. It's not going to openly criticize these corporations that are funding. They're not going to be doing a giant chunk of their ad revenue. That's what they're fucked. So they're fucked. And it's always going to be better to get your new source from someone who's like an actual journalist who's independent.

2:21:03You can get that now. And that's what people are realizing. That's why cables like sort of slowly slipping away. When does Netflix have news? Ah, that's interesting. When do they? It's not a bad idea, right? I mean regular people read the news. Like just like, as actual as the other. Yeah, as could be. The thing about the news is like you want to know all the news. So they just told you one story, like one story about the wildfires in Maui. Really, they should be talking about that all day. It should be like hours and hours and hours. It can't really be five minutes. You know, can't really be like more than 90 people are dead, a thousand are missing.

2:21:41Back to you, Bob. Today, the Clippers scored 100. You can't do that. Clippers didn't score 100. Right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. It's just like, they, you know, they don't have the time to give you new. And you don't want it either because you just like people are spooned, Fred. They want to know, okay, what's going on in Ukraine? Okay. How's the economy? Okay. His buttlight still suck. Okay. Like it. You don't want to watch the barbie movie. You just checked all the bodies. Yeah, that is all the highlights. So they can't really go and adapt about things and they, they can't talk about certain things.

2:22:19It's not like they can just tell you what they really feel about what's going on. They can't start talking about the military industrial complex and influence on politicians. They're not going to tell you all these stories. It's like very controlled and people realize that now. They're not interested anymore. And so where do you think like where the hell the people go to get that accurate news? At some podcasts. Yeah, independent journalists who have made podcasts, guys like Matt Taiibi, guys like Crystal and Saga on breaking points, people that are independent and reliable and honest and they can give you the information as they see it.

2:23:00The last two are the hardest ones to put your finger on. There's so many like fake people who are pushing one agenda and you don't know what the side of the story is. Yeah. They spin it to whatever direction they want it to go. Yeah, just pure propaganda and they're allowed to do that now. Which is just like one of the things that's really bizarre that came out during Elon buying Twitter is finding out how much of the FBI had involvement in censoring tweets. And censoring tweets that turned out to be accurate. censoring tweets about the 100 Biden laptops, censoring tweets about COVID and vaccine data.

2:23:35It's just like the FBI was involved in people's tweets like, how what? In Facebook too. It's like, woo. Dude, it's not going to be honest. If you're not listening like regularly, listen to some prominent podcasts, you're not getting any sort of like factual information. I mean, forgot like me, I'm a hot rod builder too. I'm a business man. I'm not politics aren't really my fucking thing. But like listening to like you Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr. I never fucking know about that, dude. Right? And I think he's pretty fucking cool, dude. And listen to it very interesting guy. Unfuckin' believable guy.

2:24:13I mean, incredibly interesting. And that's something you would never hear about. Like that's not going to come up on mainstream news and like motivated guy, like me to be more interested in that guy. Well, no one's going to ever let him just talk like that. He told me that over 18 years, no one just let him talk like that. Just let him not interrupt him, not stop him, not try to change the subject, to say, just go ahead and tell me everything that you think. Yeah, your podcast with Jordan Peterson, I think you said like four words the entire time. And he just ran. Well, Jordan's perfect for that too.

2:24:43I mean, he's also in tune right now because he does all these lectures. So Jordan does these like huge like stadiums, his giant fucking places and he's just essentially ramping for like an hour and a half. And then he has prepared bullet points and things he wants to talk about. But he kind of lets the flow go when he gets up there and just, and he can do that about anything and everything. He's ridiculously smart, like confusingly smart. Sure. Yeah. But the amount of reading that guy's done, like they're just the fucking, the things that he can recall, the tips of his finger, like instantaneously.

2:25:18It's pretty stunning. I'm still thinking about the Facebook shit. Sorry. There's the Facebook and the FBI. So I'm just got this picture in my head like at the Facebook headquarters. You've got the dude that's on the phone with FBI, right? And he's like, all right, yeah, we're going to suppress those tweets. We're going to do that. And like he's sharing a cubicle and this other dude, like Mitch is bitching about like Facebook marketplace and Deb is, you know, in Nevada bitching about like her post for Vases, that's taken down. I get such a huge business. Try different levels there. You think it's different floors?

2:25:52They're sharing the same thing. They prioritize it. But you think about fate like the things that Facebook's dealing with on a daily basis, just for to run their stuff. And then dealing with the, you know, I can't believe you deleted my post, you know, it's also weird things they do. Like I read this thing today, Jamie. Well, I only read the headline. I didn't read the article. It's going to bring it up today. They said that at one point in time, Facebook was contacted by the FBI about one of Tucker Carlson's videos. And that they, they reduce the views of it or the reduce the reach of it by 50%.

2:26:29Google that. See what the fuck that's all about. What did it ever came out on Tucker? Is it what was the real reason they fucking shit can't do? I don't think he ever know. I don't think he said. I don't think he can. He's probably in the middle of a lawsuit. Probably can't talk about it. But it's pretty wild. You got literally the only successful guy on cable news. The only one that has a loyal fan base. And the only one who says wild shit. He was talking like a pod like he was on a podcast. Yeah, but he was doing it on Fox. Like some of the things he said, like the CIA killed Kennedy. And I was like, what the fuck?

2:27:02Is this guy just saying? He's going on Fox. He just said the CIA killed Kennedy. I was just looking at your Kennedy framed deal on all the other. Oh, yeah, yeah. Patrick Bette would give me that. Nuts. It's pretty cool. Do we find that story? Is it horse shit? I'm not saying either way. I just said that's not a, I don't know where you saw it. So I have to find that one. So I would just want you to Google Facebook, reduce Tucker Carlson's video reach. But not a single thing came up that way. It was other articles about different stuff with Tucker's name and Facebook and Fox News and predictions and this and that.

2:27:38Does nothing about the research. I just saved it. God damn it. That's always one of those ones. One of them like, you'll be able to find this. There's just too many fucking stories out there now. Is your green shots on your phone just like ridiculous? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then you try to go back and be like, why? There's gotta be something in that that I just going to show. What exactly? Exactly. Like, what is that? All right. It just looks like you found it. I think it says, how dare. Was it say, Jim? I don't know. That's, uh, bite. I got it. By an administration, pressed Facebook about censoring Tucker Carlson post federal lawsuit.

2:28:15Yeah, that's it from July. Yeah. So, uh, despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal from the site. So, Facebook complied with requests from members of President Joe Biden's White House staff to throttle the reach of a 2021 video by then Fox News host Tucker Carlson, according to the federal lawsuit. And it says despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal. So, under the, the request by the federal government, they decided to throttle a video that they couldn't remove because it didn't qualify for being removed. So, that means it didn't violate anything.

2:28:59Now, what was his video about? I had some trying to find out what it says or what it was talking about. Hmm. That's so crazy. That would be just assistant. I'm sure they've got their best interest at heart. Yeah, I'm sure we're going on a path or our reaction will be throttled. Here it is. Mr. Carlson, okay. Strategy, uh, deputy assistant to the President and director of digital strategy, Rob Flarity, emailed Facebook executives demanding the suppression of a video segment by Mr. Carlson in which he questioned their safety and asserted that people who had taken the COVID -19 vaccines had sustained injuries and died.

2:29:38Mr. Flarity also flagged a video by another Fox News host, Tommy Lauren, uh, who said she wouldn't take a vaccine. That's wild. Well, that's true though. People did sustain injuries and some people did die from it. That's true. And they got Facebook to throttle that. Hmm. Even though it's true. That's wild. And we paid for that staff of all those people to watch those videos and flag them and let Facebook know too. Hold on. Stop. Listen to this. Then White House Senior COVID -19 advisor Andy Slavitt also message Facebook executive, Nick Clegg, about Mr. Carlson's video. According to the judge's Tuesday ruling, Mr.

2:30:26Slavitt expressed his displeasure that Facebook did not remove the video and said, not for nothing, but the last time we did this dance, it ended in an insurrection. Mr. Clegg, in turn, noted that the video did not qualify for removal. Holy shit. That's some heavy stuff. Yes. Despite the video not qualifying for removal, Facebook officials said Mr. Carlson's video was being demoted to reduce its reach. In an April 16, 2021 follow -up, Facebook officials told Mr. Flarety that the platform gave Mr. Carlson's video a 50 % demotion for seven days and stated that it would continue to demote the video despite it not violating the platform's policies.

2:31:11That's wild. That's just pure censorship. That's information that turns out to be true that you don't like. You don't want people knowing about it. And so you contacted a social media company and said the last time we did this dance, it ended in insurrection. This is wild stuff. Crazy. These are these fucking nuts. It's just nuts, man. I'm sure they know what they're doing. Everett's intro. Remiast the hell. Yeah, it's very strange. It's very strange that people who appreciate the First Amendment and the importance of it. If you're an American, it's one of the most important things that we have that other countries don't have.

2:31:54So our ability to express ourselves. Freedom of speech. It's fucking everything. People don't think it's everything. It's everything. See, the only way you find out what's true. When people can't talk, then someone can say something that is inaccurate or it's propaganda and you have no one that can say any different. You got to take the second amendment along with it, though, if you take the first. If you take just the first, people are going to be super fucking pissed off. And they've got weapons. Right. Exactly. Well, they're trying to take the second one, too. There's a lot of that going on.

2:32:25Yeah. It's weird times, fellas. Dude, there's crazy times. Crazy, crazy. But pretty fun. Pretty fun times, too, because it's so wacky. Like every day, there's something new. A bunch of people getting fucking killed in a submarine. You know, it's like every day, there's something, some new craziness to pay attention to. Oh, that joke last night. I'm not going to give it away. Oh, Tony's like, wow, dude. Tony's an animal. He's a fucking savage. So fun. Yeah, I'm super lucky I get to work with that guy all the time. Hold on. If you know, next time you guys come back into town, I got to take you to Killtony.

2:33:01Killtony's the literally the best comedy experience you could ever have. It's a show that he does live from the Mother Ship every Monday. And it's a panel of like, Brian Redban and Tony, who are the hosts of this show, and then professional comedians. And like last time we did it, it was, it was me, my friend Kurt Metzger and Post Malone, like we were the guests. And it was so fun. It was just fucking ridiculously fun. And the show is Amateurs and people are just starting out, get one minute. And they go up and do one minute and then they get roasted by the panel. And there's an amazing band. It's the most fun show ever.

2:33:37I'm shit. I love to do that. And Tony hosts that. That's like his, that's his, he's been doing it for like 13 years. Yeah, he's been, how long he's been hosting? 10, 10, because we just did the anniversary. Yeah, 10 years. Fuck. He's funny. And he's doing an anniversary, well, he didn't anniversary show, a 10 year anniversary show that we did at this big theater in town. And then they're doing a new year show at a fucking arena. So they're doing an HEB arena for Killtony for New Years. Damn. Congrats to him. But now that's, that's awesome. Banana's. Fillin' arenas, that's gotta be a, a hell of a feeling.

2:34:11Yeah, for this crazy show. Which makes you happy, leaving up to it. Yeah. That they started in this tiny room in the comedy stores. This place called the Belly Room and only seats like 70 people. That's where they started this show. Like 10 years ago. No. That's fucking nuts. It's wild, right? It's, I mean, bring it back to you guys. Like when you first started Roaster Shop and now being one of the premier builders in the world of those kind of cars. I mean, how long have you guys been around for? Dude, we've been doing this now 20 years. Wow. Yeah. Time fucking flies. So when you first started out in like the 2003 market for like, what was available in terms of like custom suspensions and things along those lines?

2:34:52Yeah, 2003. I mean, it was a different world. Yeah. What people were interested in was wildly different. So you had a different, you know, different demographic guys were into like 30s hot rots. Really? When you looked at like aftermarket custom cars, they were like a 1932 Ford, a Deuce Roadster, something like that, 5 -winnow coupe. That's what was the popular aftermarket. The muscle car stuff hadn't really been modified yet. So there was like aftermarket suspension for those. We were manufacturing chassis for 30s and 40s street rots. I don't know. Interesting. And it wasn't until like, yeah, I don't know, probably like 2008, 2007.

2:35:302007. What do you think caused this shift? Do you think it was shows like overhauling and rides? You know, honestly, I don't know. When the recession hit, our entire shop was all 1930s hot rots. When we weathered the storm and got through the recession, there wasn't a single one of those left and it was all muscle cars. And it was like a fucking light switch, you know? I don't know what the deal was. If it was just a changing of the guards. Yeah, we always say that. A little bit generational of what was cool when you were in high school or what your parents had. And then there's always like a, Josh put it best like a pendulum of, this is cool, this is cool.

2:36:08We're going to do the complete opposite and it swings the other direction and you're just constantly going back and forth. High end show cars to patina drivers from pro touring muscle cars and to lift it off road four wheel drive stuff. It's just always moving. Everybody wants to do something different. You know, it's a counter culture part of it. As soon as something I hit Ethan heard, I think you all were talking about post -molones podcasts. Everybody's into something until you find out like everybody else is into it. Right. And then it's like, I got to do something fucking different. Yeah, but if everybody got into muscle cars, I wouldn't stop.

2:36:40I don't think so. I don't think they have this because there's so many different. One, there's so many different muscle cars or so many different styles and ways to build them. I feel that way about the UFC too. Like when I first started working for the UFC, when I, I started working for them in 97 and I did it from 97 and 98 and then I did it again. I started working again for them in 2001. But if, well, I was back when nobody knew what the fuck it was. I was doing these shows in 97 and Dothin, Alabama. You're flying in a propeller plane and people are fighting with shoes on. Yeah, but it bare knuckle and headlots were legal.

2:37:13Like it was crazy. They were the crazy times. I'm happy that more people were, I'm not like, I knew when it was cool. Like that, that to me is so dumb. Like if you like a band and also the band makes it, like, yeah, it's fucking sold out. Yeah. I don't like them now. Everybody likes them. But the UFC's changed too, right? All different fighting styles and different weight class. It's got a better. It's kind of cool and. Yeah, it's just gotten better. It's just constantly gotten better. The people today are just the best ever. It's just insane. Like the level of talent and it's such a pressure cooker.

2:37:46Because in every division, like in this weekend, you have Al -Jermain Sterling's fight in Sugar Sean O'Malley. So you have the best of the best. Like the most exciting contender versus the most dominant champion. And it's just, woo! And that happens. Like this pressure cooker in that division. Because you've got guys like Corey Sandhagen and Marlon Varro. You got so many killers in this division. And everybody's just striving to be the champion. And they're around so much talent that everybody has to get better. So it's like the level of competition is so strong in every weight class that it's just this insane, like diamond machine.

2:38:26Like the pressure makes these insane diamonds of talent. And that's just off the charts right now. That's what we've seen in ours, especially over the last 10 years. Our industry is, you know, the other shops coming up and wanting better and better and better, which is why we've had to continue getting better on all the chassis and the different innovations that we've come out with. But it's the trickle down. I mean, you talk about the UFC, getting mainstream, getting so much bigger. So then you've got the apparel brands. And then you've got, you know, the fight gear and you've got stuff in the gloves.

2:38:56Everybody's got to get better at their shit. You actually can make a business to support that. The same thing in our industry where you have we can build the chassis at the volume that we can because of the way the industry has gone. We'll put the markets there. So you put the time, you can put the effort into it, you can put the engineering and spend the money to develop something that's really fucking badass. It's also great what you guys do for the hobbyist. For someone who wants to build their own car. Like you provide them the actual suspension. Like if someone knows how to do all that and they have the time in the garage space.

2:39:28You know, they can actually use the same components that you guys do and do it themselves. Yeah, absolutely. And that's a big portion of our business. I mean, a lot of guys, we, and I can't say how many like home builders we have that they take that chassis. They take all the same components that we use in a car that maybe we build for you. The chassis that's under his Camaro. Yeah. The chassis that's under your 69 Camaro that's honestly a father and son could do that swap and chassis install in a long weekend. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, and they take their 69 Camaro from driving like, you know, an antiquated kind of death trap to know they've got us a fucking sports car, you know.

2:40:06Yeah, well, I think what you guys do is awesome. Well, I'm glad we got to do this podcast. It's not fucking awesome. Thanks for having us. Thank you for building the most insane car of all time. You're welcome and enjoy that fucker. I will. I will promise. All right. Social media, you guys roads to shop on Instagram. Roachershop on Instagram. Roach shop. Just Google Roachershop. Yeah, roads to shop. Roachershop .com. Roachershop on Instagram. Oil and whiskey on Instagram. We're kind of a little spread out there. All right. Check us out. Well, I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. You're great.

2:40:36You're great. Thank you. You're great. You're great. Bye, buddy.

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