#2024 - Hulk Hogan

33:45So random group of 23 people. There's about a 50 % chance that two people have the same birthday Wow, that's weird if that then if you get with if you get to 46 people if it's a 100 % chance God crazy wow goes up Interesting for so with a hundred people Seems like it's gonna happen That's so weird. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's even where do people give a fuck about their birthday? Shut your mouth. Yeah, you know, it's my birthday. I guess I get it if it's girls For some reason that doesn't annoy me When dudes get really excited about their birthday. Come on bro. Yeah, I'm not your mom. It's true I think 40 hurt worse more than 40 good.

34:32Yeah, I hurt worse more than 70 Fuck I'm 10 months away from it I'll trust me just stay healthy. It's a number, you know for you. Yeah But the guy like hawk the thing about you is just the amount of punishment that you put your body through It's not your mind your mind's in a great place. It's just I don't think people The average person truly appreciates the Unbelievable amount of punishment you guys go through, but it's not just me. Yeah, you know, I My girl's guy that I'm engaged to I had to slowly bring her up to speed Because number one I didn't want to run her off Because all the crazy lifestyle on my friends that around and all the stuff I've been through there's been a Few controversial situations up through oh, yeah, but just With the injuries, you know, I mean, I took her to 30th anniversary Monday night rock is open the show and we and so she's starting to see That's not just me all the guys kind of walk like I do when they're all hurt and yeah See about a stuff on TV with these A &E things and dark side of the ring really show you how beat up these guys are so You know, it's um, it's what the business does to you You know, yeah, I mean you're you're playing You're in a rally where you're smashing cars into each other, but the cars your body.

35:54Yeah, I mean in a lot of a lot of guys. I mean, you know like Brocks an animal, you know, Kurt angles an animal believe me. Oh, yeah too much And a lot of guys have come through like rampage Jackson King Mo T2 Ortiz We've had a much guys come through and whether they're a day or three or four days ago We don't want to do the store body. Yeah, but that crazy and they're there in the ring I mean after the first day if you if you can lift your head up off the pill without having to pick your head up You know, you're fortunate. You know just three or four hours in the ring the first day But you know a lot of these guys realize it's like I have to do this crap every night to myself What has helped you the most in terms of like a leviation of pain or bringing back your your movement like what what's helped you the most Well, I don't have the movement back, you know, I've had a real hard time um You know just doing normal things I can't from the back the back the back being fused yeah the back and how many discs are fused everything's fused The whole I've had ten back surgeries, but the thing is you know my knees and hips are so old now Because I had the left knee scope three or four times the right knee scope three or four times that I haven't replaced Then I had the hips replaced and they they're all over 20 years old.

37:14Oh, you know what I mean So it's kind of like they said oh you can't wrestle the knee your place. I was wrestling with Two knees in a hip replacement and russumany 18 I was dragging the rope around the ring for a half hour Yeah, you can you can actually do that now with hip replacement John Wayne par had an MMA fight after he had Actually, I think it was a movie tie fight after he had a hip replacement. Yeah, the knees are tougher brother And these are yeah, but uh they're doing them now to the point where people can still can go back to engaging in athletics And I'm wondering like a wonder if they're gonna get to the point where these things are like a permanent thing because they say you're about 20 years is that what they say?

37:56Well, they told me about 15 with the ones I got 15, but you know, I think now they're saying with some of them 20 But it's like man that means like you've got us our glass in your head County down to 20 years. We're gonna have to go through that shit again like every operation I've ever had no I've only had a few That the thing about the the recovery's a bitch. Yeah, it's like a long time for you I'm about to get used to being first of all put under and then if you have something major like an ACL Reconstructors or something like you're you're fucked for months for months Yeah, it's up. I've had some close calls and some rough ones man.

38:31I mean You know, they all weren't just cookie cutter surgeries. I've had some major issues go down So have you done stem cells? Yes, where'd you go? Well, I called Mel Gibson after seeing him. Oh, yeah And Mel was with Dr. Neil Reardon down Panama. Yeah, I sent my mom down there a couple times Yeah, and I'd already had several experience be experiences before yeah host them cells and I and they just didn't I don't know how to explain it. I'm different my body's different. You know, there's been so much crazy Do enough? Well, I went down there to Panama for three days You know, they hook you up IV wise then locally Blast you all over the place and then shoulders everywhere and After three days, you know, they they would call me like Two weeks later and say how you know, so I feel the same then a month later.

39:20They call me feel the same then like three months later call me nothing, you know, so I didn't Didn't get anything from it I wonder if your body so beat up that it's just bone on bone everywhere and there's nothing that can be done There's so much to heal that it's not even getting to the big things because it's you know, I wonder what it would be like if that shit was in America And if they gave because Or Tijuana has a great place too, but if that was legal in America I wonder if someone like you could be able to go and just do that like once a week No, that'd be awesome. And maybe they it can fix you like maybe it's just a dosage and time thing That's that was my first thought, you know, if this is What normal people do black this stuff once every three months?

40:19I need it once a week That was the first thing I thought I wonder you mean it really sucks that the Because I haven't seen anything negative about the use of stem cells So I'm just really frustrated that it's illegal in the United States and then all these people are getting great results I know so many athletes that have gotten problems fixed through stem cells and most of them have done it in either Colombia or Tijuana And it's kind of a bummer because if we could do that to people like yourself like It's conceivable that you could really heal somebody like they're doing some amazing stuff where they're shooting it into discs And they're creating new disc tissue Like if they can do that to people and people can avoid getting fused Yeah, that'd be great.

41:05Oh my god It's just it's such a bummer that it's it's so restricted because I don't see the danger to it when you consider it And in comparison to the danger against some things like opiates which are legal Like what why you were stricketing this like this this seems like I had a full length rotator cuff tear disappear. Just went away from stem cells Six months later again an MRI is like this is the craziest thing I've ever seen is like it's gone Same they were gonna give me neck surgery. Yeah constant pain in my shoulder I thought my shoulder was completely torn out got an MRI They said it was discs at the base of my neck and just all the nerves It just felt like my shoulder which is crazy because I literally wanted to cut my arm off like if it was the If it was the 1600s or whatever I was like this pain sucks cut it off and then I still would have had it Um, but they did it they set up six up to 60 days You might you might you might feel better immediately.

42:01It might be in 60 days in day 59 It was like someone flipped a switch Wait, but you were always like sitting in the green room holding your neck Always doing that during kill Tony trying to listen to people I'd have to sit on my own legs if I sat flat on my butt for some reason So I'd have to like sit like this and listen and pay attention and try to be funny It was a nightmare. I couldn't sit on my butt and you forget You would forget I would forget so like uh, here's there's a bar stool there for some reason bar stools were the worst Different than the 90 degree angle of a chair kind of like so it's like a very specific angle.

42:37You have to hold your head or it hurts You'd have to like hold your hip to a side or something Because if you if the weight was straight down it was just all I know the longer you hurt the more changes I remember I couldn't sit in the chair You know for the longest time and then I couldn't drive a car which of course sit in the chair And then my biggest thing was when I'd go upstairs and I'd look at my bed My mindset was I dread laying down Because I know when I lay down it's gonna hurt so bad and I'm probably gonna wake up with an injury I'd go to bed and wake up hurt You know it's like how does this happen?

43:13But you know all that being said You know the body is an amazing thing and you know with all the metal and all the domino surgeries and shoulder surgeries and all the stuff That's happening me the upside is bro. I'm I'm living a good life. I'm happy I may not be able to run as good as him or walk as good as you but at the end of the day. I'm seven years old I train every day. I eat great You know, I hardly ever drink any alcohol at all You know, and I don't take any pills anymore Worth all those surgeries the doctors are just banging me with these pills and different thing and and the thing that stopped me the thing that shut me down completely where I said enough Is when they hit me with the fentanyl stuff They almost killed me with that stuff.

43:56So that's when I said I'm done You know, and I didn't even know they gave it to me But morphine and delitis and none of that stuff worked on my back. I had so many surgeries If I just moved if I just if I see I'm just barely moving my little finger I just moved my leg that much I just screamed like a wounded animal Because everything was so torched And then there's one night when I don't know what I was taking I guess they had me on the fentanyl things you stick up under your gums and patches on my legs and the lollipops Remember one night my body just completely torched And my head and shoulders are facing the opposite way And it took a bunch of EMTs to get me out of the house and when I came back I said that's it.

44:39I'm done You know and I called one of my buddies in LA so I can and they prescribed the fentanyl to me And the insurance that it covers was two thousand dollars every two days And the pharmacist's I never seen anybody on so much fentanyl and still be alive And so that was the prescription they were giving me because my back was so bad they cut on me so much And compromised my the the instructional integrity of my back by cutting so much bone away That I was just a mess, you know, and so One year if I went to LA another buddy of mine in Atlanta so I can get you off it in six months And I laid out all everything I had and so I'm gonna get off this crap in two weeks Two weeks and I had these 150 milligram patches that go on my legs And they would give me these 280 fentanyl pills and they you'd have to stuff them under your gums in the morning and then at night And they were giving me 15 of these 15 hundred milligram lollipop things to eat during the day That's how drugged up they had me and the two weeks I laid it all out And I told my ex -wife at the time I'm going upstairs Bring me about 15 gallons of water.

45:46I don't want to see anybody And first thing I did was cut the patches and half and put them on my legs like an idiot I called my pain doctor and told him what I did He just take that shit off your legs that's how people overdose You know because it's their time released Here I'm cutting them in half and put them on my legs. I'm getting the full blown. Oh, no Yeah, so I pulled them right off I mean I called him right away. It's telling me I did And so that was a bend my first mistake, you know But I sat up there and I was there almost two and a half weeks And I swed into the bed only through the mattress and stuff several times I had people come in and check on me and I saw my ex -wife's teeth come out and talk to me I saw a plastic squirt them come out of her chest and this is coming off the fentanyl But when I came off the fentanyl I lost 35 pounds and Never well the only other time I had it Was when I am and I was clean completely done the only other time I had it was after shoulder surgery I got an infection they had me on a drip line I kept telling the infectious disease doctor.

46:50I feel like my light's going out brother Every time I do a two -hour drip in the morning and two -hour drip at night. I feel like my light's going out like I'm slowly dying And you know the infectious disease doctor goes why give the same dose to 80 year old ladies you need to man up So I'm like okay, you know, I'll just all man up and about day 13 I went down and I told my housekeeper jester jay I'm gonna faint. You know, I just I passed out Did the splits balls and butt on the ground never done the splits my life hip pops out Knee replacement pops out and when I wake up the empties are sticking a needle in my arm I'm gonna what is that and they're going over giving you something for pain.

47:29I said well, what is it? Go fentanyl. Oh my god So they shot me up with fentanyl. I didn't even know it But I didn't get back on the train again. You know, I'm saying but since then You know after having 20 -5 surgeries and 10 years since then when I drink my coffee in the morning I'm really really hurting. I'll eat two Tylenols Yeah, and then later in the day if it was to get really bad because I need a cup of coffee about four in the afternoon. So I start to nose dive Sometimes I'll take two more Tylenols later in the day sometimes I won't but Done with it all that's why the stuff we brought in What I've seen with all my buddies and all my wrestlers.

48:08It's got to be a better way Then these opioids and crap, you know, do you do you use CBD? Yes, do you take it? Edibly do you use it as a muscle bomb like how do you know we got the the drops and then we get those the gummies the CBD gum Yeah, those are great. Yeah, man, they've helped so many people that I know with dude. I don't need to take it right. I mean Yeah, I want to bring up but Yes, that's something else I've inherited from my parents Because when I'm before my mother passed my mother would be 88. I mean my dad would be 88 my mom would to be 90 and their hands are just twisted and crippled, you know and they you know I was In my prime wrestling seeing my parents all the time and you know because they live close by me It's a Terry you need to be careful that wrestling.

48:59You know it's gonna make that Arthur. I just get it I'm not gonna get that crap, you know, sure enough man You know, it's it's coming. I can feel it, you know the CBD help ward it off for you. Yeah, it does it does Do you use a lot of other stuff like using a curcumin and turmeric? Yeah, bro I take I've got a whole I've got a nutritionist and a whole vitamin regime that I take and You know did you get some of that curc? Turmeric coffee when you I know what I have. Yeah, I think great. That's what you got. That's the lared Hamilton one This is lared Hamilton gave us a machine and he has all the like he's a that's the surface.

49:35Yeah, this he's a freak like a real physical freak and just Guys, I'm maniac about training and recovering and nutrition and so he has a super food coffee line Where it's like a turmeric Coconut oil or coconut milk and and he blends them into these different coffees and it's just you press a button for whichever one you want But they're all like super healthy food coffee and it tastes great too. It's very addictive This is gonna really sound weird to say because I've never admitted this in front of anybody But I've wanted to be him you wanted to be lared Hamilton Well, I saw him running those big ways, bro That big tall blonde guy that was Bill Boy crazy I said man, I wish I could have been him instead of me That's crazy because you're all going no Imagine ride one of those ways, bro.

50:23He's gonna rush. I have several friends that are big wave surfers and I am in awe I am in awe. I can't the just the risk you're taking and the the way they're Abled to adjust their weight and balance on a fucking wave of energy coming from the ocean on a shortboard It's crazy. That's insane Bro, you fall off you may not come out of that. No, you might be dead You might get knocked unconscious by the force of the water I mean just the the amount of water you're talking about is so insane You're gonna get driven to the bottom of the ocean for sure you could bang your head off a rock I mean these guys are fucking maniacs.

51:01Yeah, and there's some of the nicest people Do you surf? You know, I used to I used to my old attorney Henry Holmes old school Gangster entertainment attorney. He was the president of the Malibu surf club I thought the wall was I spent I kept a home and Thousand oaks and it was like for 22 years during my first marriage because my first wife's family was from there So during the summer I'd spend a lot of time out there in the kids right out of school And Henry being my attorney. I was always hanging out with him And he took me down to the wall and taught me how to surf You know, I think those little baby two three -foot breakers real consistent right there So that's where I learned you know and Did it for years.

51:45I mean, you know whenever we'd stop in Hawaii, you know We'd grab a long board when the rental boards they go out and paddle as far as we could to dime a head and catch that thing I wouldn't ride it all the way back in. I was headed Jetsky to pull me out because it was about a mile to get out there You know, so yeah, I did it for a long time It's the only sport we have a real possibility of interacting with monsters Like you you're you're literally like doing a sport where monsters live. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's frightening Oh, yeah, did you see the shark in the LA river that was raised from Hurricane Hillary?

52:22What? Oh, it's not Oh, I'm such an idiot Bro, I live on the beach right right in clear order beach for the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, we have friends come over You know because especially when the sun's going down They come in and they just come like there's a clear water channel Then I live up the beach, but you can see him come down, you know The coast and they they're going to the clear water channel. It was all the fishing boats all the chum fish heads in there And they're just you know from like seven eight at night before the sun was down They're just cruising along, you know taking their time They'll hit something if it's in the water So when our friends come over they have young kids or stuff.

52:59I don't want them in the water I fucked that even a waste deep just in there. So it's kind of like it happens. It's a real thing Yeah, they just found a shark in Idaho They found a shark 500 miles from the ocean I believe it was a salmon shark It is very rare Um, there it is. I know officials find strange shark on river bank in the landlock state Jesus That is insane. That's correct. They suspect someone left the creature by the salmon river as a prank I wonder if someone like let it go Like someone had it as a pet and let it go into the water But they know that there's certain sharks like bull sharks They can live in fresh water.

53:44You know that whole movie jaws is based on what happened in a river It's based on bull sharks in New Jersey. Bull sharks. This is the worst bro There's something about them. They're very aggressive But there's also something about their metabolism where they they can Breathe fresh water And they just urinate way more. It's like some they have like some Different system So they can survive and thrive and fresh where they just piss all the time Well, they're the only ones that in Florida to keep coming back and Well, I'll taste the humans. They'll come back and keep hitting you know You'll get hit by a lemon shark or a tiger shark or a hammerhead They may just bite you just to see what you're on they could keep moving if you're lucky But those bull sharks they don't go away They're full of testosterone man.

54:29They just finished the job What kind of shark was it that killed that dude in Egypt that horrific internet video that everybody seen now You've seen that video right with a guy screaming for his father. Yeah, and he's tiger shark tiger shark Yeah, those are those are highly aggressive too. There's a lot of those with bites people and why Now we dealt with a few of those. Oh fuck that. Yeah, I was fucked back back in the day. I was filming a show with Carl Weathers and Chris Lennon about two different shows one was thunder and peril I said was a sold and devil's island some two hour TNT movies, you know And we went down and had to do the whole Navy SEAL thing and Stewart cove who was down in the Bahamas the shark Wrangler I don't know if you ever heard of him you know I haven't but if you go to Bahamas You can go to his place and he'll take you on a shark dive and they'll put the mesh on you and you can sit around the big metal can Where he's got all the chaman you just sit there and keep your arms in with them metal mesh on and you can Have all the sharks circle you and you get the shark dive experience.

55:29Oh Yeah, we used him for a couple of the shows, you know, and we caught a tiger shark about seven in the morning And he was very irritated So all the stunt guys anchored him to the bottom Tied a rope around his tail a couple ropes on him, which was kind of like crazy And Stewart cove is all we'll come back later in the day and you won't be able to oxygenate his gills and he'll be real dassa So me and Carl Weathers are going good, you know And so um right when we popped up at about 7 30 in the morning because we we were all diving of course And we'd love being in the water we playing Navy seals and Haven't fun with it.

56:05We're all certified so whenever we could dive we could and we watched them catch the Catch the shark and then we came back up when we did there's like 100 foot plus coast guard cutter that pulled up on us So what are you guys doing? We were all making excuses and if they would have known that we were doing we'd have been on a lot of trouble And so we took off Came back later that day dove down to where the shark was and he was pissed I mean he was pissed from being tied down all day. I they needed one shot They didn't me swimming underwater with what was supposed to be a dead Navy seal on my back And the stunt guys drilled holes in his shark's tail and put him on a filament line in the tail And as I had one of those little scooters and as the shot came in a frame I had a guy off to my right.

56:52That's gonna give me the the thumbs up one to turn around and bump him with the scooter And we got the guy on my back the stunt guy who had shark bites all over him because he works with sharks all the time anyway And he's got he put shaman is bc right? Oh god So I'm swimming underwater with these crazies and never done this before so I'm listening to what they're telling me to do And all of a sudden a guy gives me the thumbs up and when I turn I couldn't even get the scooter under this shark's mouth When I turn a bumped him in the nose He was so close to our heads and those stunt guys jerked him Without a monophone line and that shark disappeared like a magic trick Jerked him like 10 yards away from me Stewart Kovgoose he's got the camera and he goes that was fucking great.

57:38Let's do one more. I'm gonna fuck you I'm going up. Yeah, I'm glad that was so great because I won't do that ever again I'll never forget when that helicopter crashed on the twilight zone movie Remember that that was the first time it put in my oh people Die when people do stupid shit like if someone does something that's not wise or too dangerous like that can happen That can happen in a movie set that can happen on a TV show it can happen. Yeah, oh yeah people take they take chances And they take chances with you and that's a big fucking chance man. You got a shark I mean most likely the shark probably would have just tried to get away You know because it been I don't think sharks fight right no probably just eat kill and if probably would think it's in danger And now that it has freedom would probably just take off but still It's a fucking wild shark.

58:34It's a killing machine and things just happen anywhere Do you think she's just happening you can't move out of the way? It's like you don't have oh Jesus that's so insane That's so insane. That's it. Yeah. Oh cool dude. Well there you go. How do you do this man? How do you get this man? I'm believing Jamie's the fucker man. This is uh, that's it. Yeah, I can't believe you got it This is so dumb yeah tell me about it and then you wanted to do it again. Oh my god dude. This freaks me out just watching Yeah dude it was crazy. It killed this is it happens There was one time there's been two times when I was filming Fear Factor that I told the producers like don't do this And one of them was riding the whole about the shark love that show.

59:17Yeah it was fun. Oh wow I forgot you did that They yeah they wrote some dice they wrote some dice when they made people ride balls because I was like You you can't control this thing. You know it's so weird even when you don't expect it like I went and did a couple episodes of Walker Texas Ranger. Yeah, and he's sitting in there 5 30 in the morning the makeup trailer Tell me about one of those Delta movies he made yeah, we're the last shot of the day the helicopters taken off And I guess you wanted to get home to his wife and kids in his body double So Chuck go ahead man. Just go ahead and go on home.

59:50I'll get the helicopter and we'll fly off in the sun So just needed to get the lift off Chuck's telling me he's in the car with his driver. He looks at the helicopter It takes off. He watches it fall out of the sky and everybody gets killed. Oh my god Yeah, I was like yeah, that's how I'm Scared to get the helicopters helicopters and horses and helicopters Helicopters are freaky. I went up in the helicopter with Bill Burtho. It was fun. Yeah, we went off flew around downtown LA. It's like The thing is it's not like a plane you can kind of go anywhere. It's really pretty amazing You could just kind of float around downtown and it's legal.

1:00:27I'm like we could just do this He's like yeah, you could just fly over buildings Like that seems insane That you're just allowed to like go wherever you want because nobody's up there right? It's like yeah, it's like you have an open road But you have a thing that moves very different than an airplane But Bill does you know, he takes like serious lessons and he's very good at it and I knew what to expect And it was fucking great. I enjoyed it, but I don't know if I'd want to be in a lot of those no Now if this if this stuff goes out, it's not where you want to be Yeah, they're in our plane. You can know why yeah, you can glide for a long time in a plane And a lot of other things you can survive on a boat if the engine fails for a while Yeah, but helicopter they have some sort of I think it's called auto rotating Yeah, but but you're hitting hard still no matter why you're coming down Yeah, um, we did the thing in the why we go over the volcanoes.

1:01:20It's pretty fucking wild It's pretty wild and you have to do that by helicopter But one of those just crashed Got to have to be something really special to give you. Oh, my God. I can't Think of anything that would get me to go up again. Seeing the volcanoes is pretty special It's pretty wild. You're literally watching the island grow Like because I think it grows like a foot a year You're watching all the lava pour out into the ocean. I don't know. I might have made up that foot a year How much how much does Hawaii grow every year because of volcanoes But it's just insane to watch because we know it's real We know that's how it was created, but to actually see the process you're just like whoa That's the center of the earth.

1:02:04That's the the lava hot molten rock is coming out and creating the island Every year, it's lava expands Hawaii by 48 years. Wow It's Speaking of rock You mentioned the WrestleMania 18 And that's what's crazy is that it's one of the greatest wrestling matches of all time Like if I was going to show you literally and because I've thought about this because whatever a decade ago When we would have our crazy wrestling arguments. I always I had to think to myself Well, what would I show Joe first and it would be probably that Right and you it was it was a definitely a moment. I know the rock Says he's never experienced anything like that before.

1:02:50I don't think anyone's seen anything like that. It was it was it was crazy man. It was It was much different than I expected. I'll put it through that way. How so what'd you expect? Well, I'd been working for Ted Turner for like 10 years and I started that NWO thing with Eric Bischoff and Kevin Nash and stuff all you probably know which was WCW the competitor We've been trying to put Vince out of business for 10 years And we were killing him in the ratings for like 83 or 88 weeks. You know, we're just killing Then there was a turnaround he brought Tyson on and We made a bunch of mistakes, you know programming wise like we were live live live And their stuff was all taped and we go don't watch my night out rod and I because Mick Folley is going to beat the rock and this guy We you know, so we'd give him the finishes just dirty pool, you know, so you need to watch show because we're gonna tell you his You know and so After 10 years with this craziness I was pretty much done, you know, this was Hollywood hogging the bad guy and I had this crazy run.

1:03:53It was just as big as the red red and yellow run as whole of Mania was It was just as bigger bigger and so At the end of the day I was done, you know and Ted Turner merged with American online And where his office was they kicked him to the curb. He was down at the end of the halls of Ted Wasn't in charge, you know Ted's the one I made the deal with and Eric Bischoff and Harvey Schiller all these guys and So I wasn't I wasn't really gonna do anything. I got a call from Vince, you know And he goes, you know, we'd like you to come up and work with a rocket russ, Mania I said well, yeah, I can still go, you know If you need me to come up there, we can make it work And he goes, well, you know, he's called me monster.

1:04:37Well, you know monster It's you know, the things are different now up here I said, what do you mean differently? He goes, well, you know, if you're gonna come up here, you got to really bring it Because you know the rocket goes the rocket does this thing or the ring like bring it And so I didn't say anything as a smart ass. I'm thinking if you want me to bring it you're gonna be asking me to take it back when I'm done with this bullshit So anyway, you know, we went up there Had the match. There was a bunch of stuff that happened before the match It was a little bit different the weeks before But when I went up there what we did on TV was I did everything I could to be a bad guy I was in Chicago.

1:05:13Place was just slammed in Chicago. Just crazy I mean, I had so so many matches in Chicago and the past accolades were so intense there Then when I came out I was a bad guy that people were like with me, you know And so all of a sudden the rock comes out Gets in the middle of the ring challenges me to Russell man. I go to shake his hand he won't let my hand go You know, it pulls me back here And right we're face to face he rock bottoms me, you know, and dumps me in the middle of the ring on the back of my head So here come my guys. I mean you have to realize that the this is these are the most electrical moments ever like in Pro Wrestling history though like if you saw it on video these things it was this is This is the epitome of the entire what makes the entire thing entertaining because you're kind of rooting for both Both are kind of bad guys, but have such likeable qualities So it's a win -win no matter what I mean this stuff is Beyond like this is that's this here is like Totally totally self -pro Wrestling history.

1:06:18I always love the two -tone beard must -touch combo Yes, so anyway after he dumps me on my head My guys come down Kevin and Scott and we just crucify his ass We just we unload on him. We just grind him So I go out of the ring and I got a toolbox and I dumped the toolbox out. There's this ball peen hammer, right So they got him hooked or the thing I'm gonna hit him from the front I go and I and while he they got him hooked they thought I was gonna blast him in the face of the hammer I hit him from behind with the hammer Right I catch him from behind you know, I'm not not killing him. I'm pretty good at what I do.

1:06:51Is it an actual hammer? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, bro, I can put this thing between your forehead. I don't even hurt you. Please not But anyway, no, but listen you're hitting him with a hammer. Yeah, yeah, actually hit him with the hammer. Oh, yeah But it's he's a professional. Yeah, I'm pretty believe me. I can hit you with a hammer brother. You'd be good You know, but what yeah Yeah, no It's a hammer. You know, you know who first If this guy so he's like a pulling stuff up pull up rocky three where I get thrown in the corner I throw that straight in punch to him. Oh, okay. Yeah, because he said oh, I don't want to get her So you just stand there and don't move Well, this straight in punch.

1:07:31He goes I've never had anybody throw a punch. It looks like it was gonna kill me It's Yeah, no, I think this is it right here. What look look That was straight into his forehead. Yeah, he goes you didn't even hit me. I said well. I'm not supposed to But I did think contact so anyway long story short hitting with the hammer Dragging outside the building put him in an ambulance put chains around the ambulance, right? I go getting a semi truck without the trailer on just the the cab of the semi And of course as I'm getting in the cab of the semi they pull rock out of the ambulance And I and I run that ambulance over with the semi Oh my god, let's do it again do it again Yeah, this is so hilarious.

1:08:21So anyway, I have to fucking the ambulance is chained up. Yeah So dude, so now the rocks in there We'll just slide him out when they cut to me here. He go and so at the end of the day I did everything I could To be the worst most evil person in the world bad guy And we go we go getting Toronto for WrestleMania after I've done all these horrible things. Oh my god I had to back up and run him over again now after I do all these horrible things And I come out of the building at WrestleMania in the places cheering me out of the building. Yeah I'm going oh my god. How are we going to fix this because the rocket split and go to the scorpion king I'm passing the torch giving him the rub everything I can to help him be the greatest wrestler ever You know and because that guy was so good in the ring bro And I never worked him before but second third generation wrestler instinct timing placement.

1:09:17He had everything It took us about seven or eight minutes. I got it all turned back around You know and he had certain input that we did and I said well some of those stuff doesn't work. We're not doing it You know But it was just the craziest situation Because this is it. This is like the craziest shit of all time I mean look everybody's arms are up in the air He did Tony is a roused. I mean, it's unbelievable You have to realize that these this is like it the two entertainers and how old were you at this time? Um, I asked 53 or 54. That's amazing. Yeah, and I had a hip replacement. That is amazing and two knee replacements That at 54 you were still this jacked.

1:10:18That's incredible another one another one WrestleMania 18 after being in one two three four five and the next year I took Vince McMahon and safe co -field And I mean actually had a blast with Vince get to beat the shit out of Vince And he brought he's all in that crazy nut was all and he loved it. That's so nuts that he can do that still. Please I mean, so it was just so weird because all of a sudden you know the lines were just so blurry right You know going out there thinking that I was gonna be the most hated person in the world. I went out there Oh my god, we got a real problem here But if rock wasn't as good as he was we could have never You know, just it's just like I was in there was somebody that had been in the business Instead of 40 years like me 50 years.

1:11:06He just had that That instinct that I've been in the ring with a lot of guys and he had it when a lot of people didn't have it So back in 77 when you first started how did you get going like what was uh what were the first matches that you did well before then I drove the rest was crazy because they were coming in the clubs when I was playing music Dude, I was scared to death them. They're all 300 pound guys Teeth knocked out cally flower years Bear drinkers just I mean there was no fluff right back in seven years, okay So I was a huge wrestling family my whole life because dusty rose was down in that Florida territory and all that stuff So one of the guys I went to high school with named Mike Graham as dad was a promoter He was a big jockey in high school and they all hated me because I was playing in a rock and roll band I had long and had two brand new cars in high school and the plus I was living at a hotel, you know, it's You know, I just didn't really fit in high.

1:12:04I just have two brand new cars in high school Because the lady that was my babysitter Leela silverwood when I was a kid growing up She was president of Atlantic Bank on Dale neighboring Tampa And I bought two brand new roadrunners. They're like three thousand dollars a piece back in the day So I bought a road runner a four speed Little 440 and then I bought a date car a road runner with bucket seats console a little 3803 car And Leela silverwood who was my babysitter I was like 17 at the time gave me the loan and she signed for me the president of Atlantic Bank Well won't me the money and then she signed the note for me, you know That's insane that at 17 you decided to have two road runners.

1:12:45Yeah An automatic in a manual one for dating big. Yeah. I'm a big mopar guy man still in Yeah, I love my part almost though some apart. I have a 70 -year -old. We're talking about our forget -go Uh, we're talking about the initial wrestling matches that yeah, okay, so anyway The back story is I Got used to seeing these wrestlers, you know, I'm saying and my Graham the Who went to high school and he was your head me? I didn't really fit in with these guys, you know So I went and I'd watch at the sport at Thorim every week the wrestling matches, you know And finally my grand says I'll keep you in color every week You know, I'd ran my mouth around town telling everybody I want to be a wrestler, which is the worst thing you can do So at the end of the day he set me up.

1:13:27They got him here on Matsuda a Japanese wrestler And what they did was the first thing they did wasn't they made me run And so Matsuda got to station wagon He got like five or six feet behind me and he made me run around Tampa stadium two three times. So I was Ready to pass out Then they got me in the building with the ring wheels and they had me to jump in squats and push ups and side straddle hops and jump in the Squash till everything was white I was getting ready to paint then they threw me in the ring and Matsuda got between my legs He stepped his elbow on my shin grabbed my toe and broke my leg.

1:13:57Oh god And said don't ever come back in here They told me don't you ever and I had long ass hair blonde hair. Oh you saw the picture of the man stuff They said don't ever come back again So I had a four -to -con line van Need to put some of the the music equipment in with a clutch. I couldn't drive it So my father at home from work. He worked construction for as early construction He had to come down with my mom and he drove my van home I got home. I really got my speed It was a little bit different, you know, and he goes don't you ever let anybody hurt you again So when when he broke your leg what what what specifically broke Uh the bone above my ankle Bone bone above my ankle when he posted my shin and pulled my my toe.

1:14:43They did it on purpose. Oh hell yeah So that guy broke your leg and then you went home and your dad beat you up for getting your leg broken. Yeah That's fucked up No, that is fucking brutal. That's just how things are that's how that's how you were built. No, that's not doing that But so anyway make long story short Long story short. I you know wait around for three or four months Cut my hair short like yours went back With the mindset that nobody's gonna hurt me again. So they spent I saw guys come through like I don't know if you know who Paul or Ruffin is to one of the boys I saw him come through six weeks and they trained him.

1:15:22He started wrestling I'm there two years I'm there two years and now they got me So do you have to go back with the dude who broke your leg? Oh, yeah, and you're working with him Well, not only that I started taking him to Japan with me when I was also in Japan We came like best friends bro. Wow This is a certain amount of respect that goes along with this business if you're broken the right way And so he respected that you came back. Oh, yeah, man. They couldn't run me off right they did everything they could They were running me off now I don't want to go home face my dad again. I would imagine though you'd want to get that dude back No, I was too afraid.

1:15:58I was scared. He was like the master. He was the master Submissions all the jiu -jitsu stuff. I don't know nothing about this stuff. I'm playing music, you know, right, right So now they spend two years teaching me how to wrestle hooks submissions all that stuff and um, oh Arm bar that's over in Japan. Wow. Oh wow. So in Japan, do they like different techniques? Yeah, I see like in Japan I didn't do any of the ears stuff for the You know the whole code himself over there. I would actually wrestle these guys, you know Is that what they like in Japan? Oh, yeah Yeah, well a lot of there's a lot of blurriness in Japan too with there's now With pro wrestling and MMA Yeah, there was a lot of blurriness back in the day went to kata was fighting for pride Yeah, because to kata was a huge pro wrestling star And they had him as the anchor of pride that companies shined upon pro wrestling go to work for yeah Pride was their partners over there.

1:16:56Uh -huh Sometimes we'll be on the card and the pride guys would be there And I'm looking at in the dressing and moving at the lineup. It's all in Japanese. I'm going to Good buddy my crazy such as Japanese. I said, oh my wrestler. I hope it's a guy gene and American, you know Because I didn't mind wrestling the Japanese. I just didn't want to fight the pride guys You know I'm saying right right because they were all big man. They're back in the day in the 70s Those guys are like to 20 to 40. They were all big Yeah, you know and there's the pride was the wild west too It literally and ensuing you way went and he had a contract that literally said I think he said it was in all capital letters too We do not test for steroids Oh Like saying like we're trying to make the best product possible So why would we test you for steroids have fun?

1:17:45Yeah And so the pride days were the wild west and people just had insane physics and they could go for days and Some of the best fights of all time came out of that era though those pride days some of the best fights of all time But the best example of the wild west of pride was a guy named Bob sap Oh, yeah, and Bob sap was three hundred seventy five pounds with abs It was the the craziest thing and he fought minotaur on no garan like the most epic fight of all time And no garan tapped him with an armbarves fucking crazy though But he got piled arrived on his neck and his neck was fucked for the rest of his career From this one fight sapper guitar.

1:18:24He just starts swimming in wild. Hey, maybe you've seen him Tony Okay, you need to see this because it defies logic You look at the size of him go with Bob sap versus no gara What you see how physically big he is on these moving you like this isn't a real person This is like the Hulk. This is like a comic book character like look at the size of him watch this Look at the size of him So this is the the right away no garas shoots and he gets piled drive. Oh, yeah By a guy who's fucking enormous Look at this Bro look at the size of him He was such a freak, but anyway as the fight goes on no gara actually winds up submitting him and it's insane But he takes a lot of punishment in the process He gets the Finally gets on top of Bob sap cast out.

1:19:22I mean, there's no way you can have endurance when you're that big It's literally not even possible. Maybe a lot of money. I mean you can have endurance for a little while But you're never gonna have endurance like a guy like no gara who's 230 pounds and natural Like you're gonna eventually gas out. There's too much tissue. There's too much going on there He was a huge star in Japan Giant he ran a foul with some promoters and stuff and it all went bad for him But before that They had like Bob sap dolls They had like he was everywhere. It was huge. He was promoting so many different products He was gigantic over there.

1:19:57Yeah sure was But uh those those pride guys there was some blaringness back then because there was a few fights in pride that A lot of Fight experts or like that looks fake a lot of fans a lot of martial artists were like that looks fake I think something I think that's a fake fight and I think there was some fixed fights everything got blurry over there It got yeah, I mean it got it was it was like the wild wild western 70s and 80s over there was so different You know when you went over there. They like to do a lot of freak show things Like they would have giant people fight small people. Yeah, they like to do so like they have this lady Gabby Garcia Have you ever seen her oh?

1:20:37I have it at the uh at the champion chef at Abu Dhabi. Yeah, when it's Abu Dhabi Yeah, she's so fucking big. She's like 240 plus pounds. Yeah, and they have her fight women who look like they just pulled them out of the like housekeeping and say they put some shorts on You're gonna fight like that's crazy. It's a complete mismatch, but they do stuff like that like kind of on purpose Yeah, that's a good one. When you wrestled in Japan Was it a knowledge that they had a different kind of style like do what what else did you have to change like you didn't do the thing with your No, no didn't do the job.

1:21:15That's what when I stayed with the Japanese guy for a couple years I didn't know how to wrestle at all nothing You know playing a rock roll band so they spent a couple years and their mindset was This kid might turn out to be something because they couldn't run me off You know, and so I kept coming back and coming back so at the end of the day I got to where I was Warming the guys up and all the fan the marks like police officers or producers who want to be a wrestler They've given the meat first because I was in crazy shape. I was like 245 50 pounds I got to the point where I could do these exercises all day I'd wear them out then I'd give them the Matsuda and another guy named Gordon Nelson who's a crazy shooter And you know, we put wooden bars on the door so they couldn't run and escape And we kept them in there so they can explain to people what shooter means yeah like there's works and shoots So for people who don't know what we're talking about a work is a you have a pre -determined outcome Shoot is like that's like a real fight right well even even with hold.

1:22:14It's like with a hold here like A ton of wrist lock He's gonna kill you tongue. No, this is dead. You're dead man. Okay This is a shoot. Ah, yeah, I see where you're saying just even with holes even like right right This part of arms gets your face. It's work. I turn my hand this way and put that bone across you right Then you try to hurt him. Yeah, yeah, I spent a couple years with him and then They taught me how to do the wrestling where you hit the ropes and take a backdrop in the first day to start teaching to start a crying Because I had no idea I was so into this. I thought it was like full bloom You know shoot after the guy they had me programmed hmm.

1:22:57I mean they had me beat down so much that I When Eddie Graham the kid I went to high school with his dad getting a ring with me goes and Eddie Graham was a big star Like the whole billion dusty road star and they call me so Eddie Graham's getting in the ring with this week And he's gonna work out. I was scared to death. I'm oh my god Should I just quit because I've been through so much. I don't know if I can handle Go on in the ring with this main event. I thought he's gonna kill me Showed me how to lock up and how to hit the ropes. I started crying because I knew they had been screwing with me You know, I it finally clicked They've been tortured me for no reason and they could have taught me this a year and a half ago But but back then their their whole mindset was different if you were a wrestler They were protecting the business so much.

1:23:41They didn't want some guy to go in the bar and get his ass kicked You know, they didn't they didn't want to they don't want somebody that they didn't think about at least go fight You know, I'm saying if something went down so long story short it all worked and then when I ended up going to Japan In 78 79 I took Matsuda with me Because he was like a god in Japan and there were some mystique that the Japanese knew what had happened to me with my leg They knew that Matsuda broke me in And when I went over there with him. I didn't have to wrestle. I was already made. Oh wow because I was Matsuda's boy You know, and so that was a good shot in the armed army then a few years later I took classy Freddie Blassy with me over there.

1:24:23I remember that guy and classy Freddie Blassy used to wrestle guy named Ricky Dozan over there If Blassy had two sets of false teeth 180 with and another pair he filed down On TV then he would bite the wrestlers in the head in Japan Suck the blutter head and spit it back in their face No, I'm serious, bro. I'm serious and on TV a sigh on TV a sigh the first weekend Blassy wrestling TV three old ladies passed out and died Oh my god, this is a Fred Blassy story telling on this that isn't saying so this is Blassy telling me this stuff So now I've got Matsuda and I'm going over there Blassy and Ricky Dozan was the mafia guy and it got killed by a mafia guy over in Japan But now I got this backstory of Matsuda and Blassy.

1:25:10That's why I stayed over there 2224 weeks out of the year It was like I loved it over there. That's amazing. Yeah, it was great and they don't call me Hulk I know they call me itchy bond there Oh, yeah, so whenever you see me those black and silver tights, that's the itchy bond number one logo on my tights and so That's that's incredible So that's what a great place to to experience The different styles of pro wrestling too, right? Because like American style pro wrestling versus Japanese style and then there's Like Mexican styles of different styles well, right? Yeah, how many different styles of pro wrestling are there?

1:25:51Is it's bigger in America and bigger in Japan than anywhere else, right? Well, it's literally it's a different thing because when you see anybody in America The film they take around they take your left arm. Mm -hmm. Always work off the left side everything you do Mexicans work off the right side Okay, my first time my first time I was in Mexico City I was in that bigger arena that has the hole in the roof in Mexico City the big building. Yeah And I'm in a six -man tag. They put me a six -man tag for some reason I'm gonna do tag matches I got two Mexican partners who don't speak English And there's three other Mexican guys who don't speak English.

1:26:29They don't even tag over there You know usually have to wait to get the tag. They they're just running all the ring of the tag It took me like 10 minutes to figure out that you didn't need to tag Oh, it's only you know, so it was just crazy, but the stuff they do is just like whole know the level You know the eddy guros and chava guros and all these guys man They're in Ray Mysterio these guys are superman wild acrobatics. Yeah, they're and they can wrestle too. I mean chava's the man He's this whole family you know was They're legends So in the 70s when you were first getting going Did how many different organizations were there were there like small local places and then there's one big one that was on television Like how many different organizations were there back then like when I grew up I saw Florida championship wrestling You know, and I saw that's the only thing I saw You know, so that was like a local.

1:27:23Yeah, it was just a local promotion. Was it cable back then? No no no no regular local TV And we didn't get channel 17 Ted Turner's cable and we and at the time I didn't know that there was Madison Square Garden New York Territory that is New York New Jersey and Massachusetts and then there was like Minnesota Vern Garnes Territory them there's Fritz von Eric Dallas Bill Watts had Louisiana Michael Abel had LA so there are all these little teeny territories and all the All the promoters respected each other. So if Joe Rogan had Texas. I would never Come in to Dallas and try to run a show in your area.

1:28:02There are these imaginary boundaries that you don't gloss your spec That was a Vince McMan senior He was loyal to all these promoters and every once in a while he's been like super star Billy Graham down to Florida to wrestle Or Ox Baker from New York down to wrestle and we'd see these guys come in I didn't know where they came from but they come in and the local hero like dusty roads would beat him up And they'd be gone. Hmm. So I had no idea how the whole system worked and all I saw was Florida championship wrestling So after I got in and I figured out all these territories, you know like I went to Minnesota and wrestled and I went to North Florida the Florida territory which is P.

1:28:38Cola and All through mobile Alabama and Birmingham that small territory I went to Memphis and worked for Lawler and Jerry Jarrett for a while But then when I went to work for Vince Jr And I went back after being fired and having my first run in New York. I went back in 84 to beat the Iron Cheek Vince wanted to cross all of them had all those imaginary boundaries You know and I went wow, this is going to be dangerous So Vince says we up for it. I said yeah, I'll do it And so Vince stayed in in Connecticut and Greenwich In the office and you know then I was booked in Hullofia, Louisiana We pump our signal in there for like eight weeks You know prime examples Kansas City on if you ever heard of a wrestler named Harley race.

1:29:22Yeah, sure. NWH champion Tougher than a hell -meanor than a snake great guy though, okay We pump the signal in the Kansas City for eight weeks And Harley race has been there like 18 years. He was the NWH champion I'm the champion of the world and he's a very proud and means son of a bitch And all of a sudden here comes this blonde hair idiot from New York going hey, I'm the WWF champion I'm the WW champion. I'm coming to Kepur, arena and we're pumped the segment. So I come I fly into town I showed about two in the afternoon my guys called me Harley race came down here with a gun He tried to light the ring on fire Whoa, and the cut had the cops ran him up and they didn't arrest him Well, oh shit, and they told me Harley said when I show up he's gonna kill you So I go across the street and I go to the rusty scupper this bar, right?

1:30:17And I'm not I was notorious at the time for Not kind of like being on time because the matches would start like it 730 to 8 o 'clock and they wanted you to build me at 630. I'd come rolling at about 930 You know after intermission and I'd have time to put my boots on because I don't want to talk about Russ I just want to do it You know, it's like playing guitar or anything. That's like chess. You think two three moves ahead And so now I don't need to be at the building early. I damn sure don't run into Harley race I know this guy's gonna kill him scared to death of him anyway. I'm known since I was a kid You know so now I'm across the rusty scupper drinking bottles line drinking bottles of wine And now I gotta go to the building.

1:30:54Okay, so now I go to the building Yeah, I had to go to the bathroom. I'm a stomach was killing me So I'm sitting around the toilet going to the bathroom And I don't know if you know a wrestler named Davy Boy Smith the British Bulldog. Yep Oh my god the fucking king is here the fucking king is here. He's gonna kill me a whole again Davy Boy comes in and screams at me. I still I pull my brother. He wrestling. Velotites. I've done you white my ass You know as fast as I could because I don't really get caught in my pants down And I want to have a fight and chance. I come blowing out of the bathroom.

1:31:24I turn around the corner He puts that gun right in my face And when camper arena and he goes you know what I should kill you hooting for coming and doing this and this is Harley race talking to me And then he puts the gun down. He goes my really need a job Wow, holy shit You know holy shit. I shook his hand brother And I was a huge fan. Love the guy to death anyway But that's the type of stuff me and Vince were doing. We're going to other people's territories And then you know you go through You know you go to hotel rooms and stuff you never know and stuff is gonna put crap in your bag or stuff like that We went down to Puerto Rico But anyway, Harley became a good friend again And I knew him before I was a fan.

1:32:09He's come here to the band playing everything But anyway like going down to Puerto Rico First time we go down to Puerto Rico. I've never been to Puerto Rico before all the boys telling me how violent it is They cut you they burn you with cigarettes. They throw everything out in Puerto Rico So I'd never been I didn't need to go But now Vince wants to go down to Puerto Rico And Carl's Cologne had the territory there for like 30 or 40 years. So here we come And I go rolling down to Puerto Rico with Cindy Lauper with me, right? So I go down to Puerto Rico and we have the match and we saw the stadium Me and Macho me go back to the room and we go walk in his room in his room is trashed His room is trashed And so all of a sudden I go oh my god, I'm gonna go to my room.

1:32:55So all of a sudden I go to my room and I don't want to say the guy's name, but when I open the door He's sitting there and because he's still really active and he's sitting there with a gun. He said if you were come back here you're gonna kill you So okay, that I was going back to Tampa I hauled ass to the airport. I got on an Eastern Airlines flight the last one out of town at Flute LA I was supposed to be going home to Tampa About four months later There's a Brody goes down there has a little argument The booker calls him into the shower. Cuts his throat and kills him. Jesus Christ. So that's down there in Puerto Rico Jesus Christ.

1:33:34Yeah, I don't know if you guys have heard the Brody story. Yeah, the promoter cut his throat Well, he was the booker. He was one of the invaders um Roderiggus and Brody was kind of hard to do business with in the ring. He's really stiff and would beat the shit out of you He wouldn't put anybody over and he was a big big man six foot eight three hundred thirty pounds in crazy shape And you know they wanted to beat him. He was nah, not tonight brother You wow, so after the match They said hey Jose wants to talk to you in the shower Brody went walking the Saturday jumping and co -drone and died right there All the wrestlers at saw it were afraid to go back and testify That's So hey, they can't get crazy.

1:34:20That's about as crazy as it gets So you guys were the first ones to break those boundaries and kind of barnstorm the whole country like that Fancy's like gangster bro. That's a gang's country. How about going to Germany or South Africa? You know because they had wrestling over there too. How about born in South Africa? You know getting challenged by the South African everybody champion will help Muska that judo guy my god It goes on and on and on you know with how crazy you got you know What was that like? It was different. You know the good thing was Everywhere I went I had like the crew with me, you know except for one of the South Africa That was a little different but everywhere I went it was always The crew and the WW 20 or 30 wrestlers that was where they are so you felt a lot better right?

1:35:08Now try not to peel off on my own too often Right, especially when we're walking someone else's backyard that they've been promoting for wrestling for 30 40 50 years And all of a sudden you come here and they have the same sort of unspoken rules out there and we broke them all wow Yeah, I'd never even considered that as a possibility That there would be these territories. Well, that's what one of the main things that made Vince Jr So famous and changed the game forever Vince Sr. Always wanted him he wasn't like a promise a handshake deal You can have the company son, but just please don't ever mess with the other territories and it's like okay So me goes if my dad knew what we were getting ready to do he'd never sold me the territory.

1:35:55Yeah Wow, I'm like okay, he goes up for us. Yeah Let's do it was the dad alive when this was going down for a while Yeah for a while he had pancreatic cancer And he was alive like when I went back When I went back oh god such a crazy story. I hate to give him all this stuff. It's all true Like when I went back I had just been in Minnesota Spent three years Hulk Hogan had really that Hulk and anything it started there You know, I was on fire there. I mean really on fire And so now when I go back to New York Vincent flown to my house we talked about doing a deal So I saw a certain day I'm coming back to New York.

1:36:36I did two three weeks of TV They're not supposed to be the orange chic for the belt that night Then seniors there and he always had these half -classes that he looked over and he's always clicking quarters together when he talked to you You know, and I'm standing there with Vince Sr. And Vince Jr. and myself And Bob back on stand in there who was the champion that the orange sheep beat for the belt now the orange sheep The bottom back on thought he was getting the belt back And bottom was my guys go to Japan even training within Japan when nobody else would run steps with him and everything in the hotel All of a sudden I'm sitting there in vence is clicking the quarters together and he goes wow I'm really thinking you know um That I really don't uh think we should do this now.

1:37:20We should put this off for about six months and Bob back on pops up He was yeah, I think a real real athlete should be the champion So I'm looking over at him right and like what the hell's going on here, you know And uh then out of nowhere You know, I said well guys. I just had a huge bridge. I just burnt down in Minnesota I built a big bridge there. I'll tell you what I'll rest the orange sheep time I'll put his ass over because that's business, but I'm leaving. I'm going back and rebuild that bridge Thank you guys very much for bringing me up there I'm back to the dressing room is about 10 or 15 minutes later vince junior came in This is all everything's okay.

1:37:59I've talked to my dad everything settled down. I said are you sure now what I don't know on the backside Is why we met usota the promoter vergaunio who worked there The iron sheet cosgrove Cosgrove Lasaria whatever's your own name was he was a real bodyguard for the shawai ran He was the real deal bro He's got all these huge dense and holds in his head with these to beat even stuff when he was over there What little did I know caused the iron sheet broken with vergaunio in Minnesota right so now I come to New York And I'm going to win the belt and vergaunio was pissed at me for leaving so he calls cause up and so I'll give you a hundred grand to break Hogan's leg Right and now this guy's a NCAA champion the real deal.

1:38:43I'm not You know so vergaunio offers him a hundred grand of breaking my leg And we go in the rain and I mean I'm giving him my arm and take my head and take my leg I mean, you know I think we're working you know not shooting and He told us afterwards. You know what that is. I'm my accents terrible the iron sheet but you know Vergaunio what to give me a hundred grand of break. I'm a businessman. I just hope we can keep working I said brother don't worry. We're gonna work it all the time Wow, but I don't know if you knew about that if you're a wrestling family I didn't know that he was offered a hundred thousand a leg a hundred grand of smart move for him to not take it You get a hundred thousand there and then you guys never work together and he's never Anywhere near what he became well the ultimate heels of all time now, but these are all everybody knows these stories Also, he's an athlete.

1:39:30He's not a hit man, right, you know, I kind of fucked up Like you it's a different business. You'd be surprised Those rules don't apply all the time Yeah, I'm sure it's just I love the iron sheet. Oh, he's great. Yeah I hung out with him one time in that uh Toronto Pot place, you know, they have that marijuana show with the entire room is filled with weed smoke Yeah, and the iron sheet gun on stage with me Yeah, he's the man. I roasted him three times LA Toronto and Hamilton Canada I told him he's such a nice guy. Give you the shirt off his head Here's a free catholic too man. You ever see him do the gloves?

1:40:13Yeah None of us could do it. We all tried none of us could do it. I couldn't do it. Andre couldn't do it none of us could do it Andre couldn't do it none of us could do over like 85 pounds of piece. Are they really? Yeah, they were heavy shit He just manhandle them yeah, that's that's really hard to do those things I do him with these little 25 pound ones and it's hard to do and the longer the handle more difficult to just maneuver Put him behind your head and do my car shield testing you do this. Yeah, that's it Yeah, I do he's I do a bunch of different ones with it, but it's a very weird kind of strength and when you watch him do it, it's like You mean he must have been spectacularly strong He was a legit wrestler.

1:40:55Oh, yeah amateur wrestler. Oh, yeah Not pan am champion. I can't even had a bunch other acroids Yeah, there's I mean think about how many like real legit at Kurt Angles a great example Kurt Angles wins the gold medal with a broken neck One one a gold medal in a libby's with a broken neck Dude, I'm in the I'm in the run with Kurt Angle and we go to scrawl He gets down an amateur stance his eyes roll back in the dark I'm looking at him brother And so on the first start of work on with him I mean you're supposed to make you're supposed to you know I work with one man gang in certain way. I work with Piper certain way people work with Hall of Heaven in certain way There's a certain protocol to set a storyline up You know, well Kurt Angles just coming at me and taking me down and going behind me and Yoking my shit up every night and it's this is going on for Like three or four nights in a row and I'm like I know he's kind of like green He's just getting started and he's got that amateur wrestling mindset.

1:41:56Yeah, he can't break him to that He's not gonna draw any money. I mean as soon as brought get that out of his head. He drew nothing about money So Kurt's coming me Kurt's coming out finally had a sense of brother. What is your deal? So I'm here to make money. I'm here to make a living I said what's going on with you man? Why the first five or six minutes? You're trying to grind me out here, you know Well Vince told me to screw you. I said oh really Vince told you to do that I said I can't wait to get a hold of Vince now No, but Vince put it in Kurt's here when you're on these house shows with Hogan and nobody sees you you're not on TV Go out and grind his ass, you know So that was a big thing for Vince No, if there's wrestling San Antonio tonight with no cameras he'd sick Kurt Angle on me for the first five or six minutes But why it was the reason for fun just a joke Yeah, cuz we all we all we would all do that shit to each other.

1:42:43It's just a normal wrestling rib, you know Kurt Angle's neck looks like a waist. Yeah, it's like a normal person's waist Yeah, yeah, he's a monster man. He just had both of his knees done, you know Yeah, I was gonna ask like he must have experienced a ton of injuries, right? Yeah, good guy though brother really good guy Said knee replacements. Yeah Matt's her just had one of those yeah back to doing jujitsu What is this Kurt oh wow That's hilarious. Yeah, oh my god. This is so funny Oh There is they put it Hey, it be working real job. Oh fuck yeah That's what a what a crazy story about Vince and the taking over the entire country.

1:43:54Yeah, let me just I Yeah Wild ass times just wild ass times for the The sport yeah, I remember killer kowalski remember that guy. Oh, yeah Walter He used to watch it on Like there was like a local Boston channel that would have local Massachusetts pro wrestling you're from the Boston area. Yeah, that's why I went to high school dude that old Boston gardens was magical Oh, yeah, man. I could just look at people in there and they would start coming towards the ring I'll have to you just Look at them. They come and it was like intense. I mean, I had some of the greatest matches in their simply because If those people are into it, you just go Yeah, you push it beyond, you know is the new one the TD garden is that in the same place?

1:44:44Or is it a totally new location? Did they redo the old place or did they make is it a totally new location? We were just there this past weekend for the UFC Yeah, I've wrestled in several times to tell you that you pay attention Some of the things that you do like the hand of the ear and all that Was that Vince or you or you guys think of this stuff together? No, that was stolen I was stolen well This guy named Austin Idol Um, he's another guy. It looks like Flayer just like for almost and I was in I was in do thing Alabama one night and I saw him just do this And it was louder than any reaction you got from the whole match.

1:45:35I saw It's kind of the russing so it's not I wound it up and started going in just place blue, you know And then when I'm when I'm down and they lift mom once So he's getting the sleeve of the mom twice Then the last mom the third time and I put mom in like a Stole that too from dusty roads. Yeah, so I'll have to do that when I was a kid Um, how about the hey brother? That was mine nice. Yeah, that's a big one But anyway say your prayers take your vitamins. That's mine nice The shirt tear that was an accident. I was in the rosemont horizon And I had once again a six -man tag and uh God who the hell was oh, I know it was I was in there with the God who was I in there with Jerry Blackwell So a couple guys all three guys were playing the sheaks.

1:46:28I came or what the hell was I was in the ring with these two guys Greg Garniam Who's the promoter son Jim Brunzel? I'm standing in the middle of the ring and they just reached up and ripped my shirt off me One each guy grabbed my shirt riffs in the place one crazy went oh shit that works Mm -hmm plus I get tired of carrying on that big -ass robe and stuff Have carry next to back at the airports of t -shirts. I'm in You know, so different things like that, you know the whole chameleonian thing Of course there was beetle mania, you know And then all of a sudden that guy that did the ear thing also not all heard him say idle mania You know it was business was face because he was a good -looking guy Also, I don't I heard that idle mania We'll steal that too Yeah, hmm And all worked out well.

1:47:17Yeah Do you like doing the other stuff too like movies and things on tv shows and things on those lines? I used to but no now anymore. I uh, I don't know how many I don't know if I've done 15 or 17 little low -budget kids movies or had cameos and you know Got it done three ninja movies of ony Anderson and jambarni mothas three hundred and mega mountain or play Dave dragon the superhero. I've done Gremlin movies. I've done bay watch bay. Oh god. Yeah, I was part of the bay watch guys Now you know done differently as far as your clip career very closely Yeah, but you know, it's the thing was it was the process It's like when I first got with Vince.

1:48:02We took off. We did a wrestling movie called no holds barred And tiny lester Yeah, he was in it with me and great guy man. I love him to death and It was just it but the thing was other than that first wrestling movie that I did with Vince I started doing a bunch of other movies. I did the first couple movies that new lines sent him ever did uh Suburban commando. I'm mr. nanny. It's the first two movies ever did and then that guy um Jordan belford gave me money to do a couple movies at wolf wall street. Oh wow. Yeah, if you pull up like San with muscles you can see him producer credit, you know So he gave me money to do sand with muscles and another movie but I did like did you get a chance to talk that guy?

1:48:48No, no, I never did he uh No, I take that back. I did meeting one time many one time at the grand have banner room and um With Brian and Stan Schuster who were running the grand have a room in Beverly Hills I didn't know who he was and I was talking to it and they saw this is a guy to put the money up But I did meet him, but you know that was the only time. It didn't have a conversation or anything But um, I would like to know how much that movie was made up and that much fat was real A movie was great like were you can we really that out of control? That's a great fucking movie. Yeah, my problem was even when I did American gladiators with Layla out of Lee At the Sony soundstage they would have my RV on the side of the soundstage You'd be in makeup at 5 30 in the morning You know how it is and then all of a sudden it's getting dark and they've used you for five minutes I couldn't stand the process right the whole time.

1:49:39I was thinking about I could be out Doing a lot of things. Yeah, I mean especially the wrestling, you know, yeah to walk away from That type of intensity and that type of money to be locked in an RV all day. I couldn't handle it man Well, I think if there's one thing the way like maybe you or I might look at it because it's just a thing We do kind of on the side like sometimes do it, but for those people like that's that's like game day This is what they actually want to do it. I don't have that desire for it. I'm on your team. Yeah, I get it I mean, I'm glad that they do that there's people out there that live for that Because I like watching movies But I would imagine for you part of the thing would be like trying to pick what to say yes to because you probably have so many different kind of ideas coming at you Yeah, it's a little different.

1:50:32I mean, I've had the same Agent Peter Young for over 40 years wow at the time my attorney Henry Holmes with that we were like a team and um, I think the reason Peter's Still my agents because I say no to everything Ha because after you know The great life I've had you know and the entertainment business. I just love being on the beach man You know, I said can't we get Joe Brogam to come to us man? possible, you know You know, so I mean, that's my mindset. I just hate leaving the beach. He's like relaxing now. Well, not even that It's just I just you know, it's kind of like my girl that's with me now It's like she understands you know, and it took a while until she you have to experience it to compound it Comprehend it.

1:51:20Everybody has like a whole coding story, you know, and it's true Now she she goes I get it everybody does and she's like people come say man My dad just want to say a little he played Venice Beach with played basketball and Venice Beach for five years Tell you dad I said a little I still love him. I haven't played basketball day in my life You know for my dad grew up in the I grew up I grew up in Tampa, Florida All my dad grew up in Tampa, Florida within he's the one that taught you how to lift weights It's a tell your dad. I love him man. I can't wait to see him again I never lived in Venice Beach, you know, right, but it's kind of like those stories come along, you know Yeah, do you remember riding next to me?

1:51:5715 years going in Eastern Airlines from here to LaVaria Yeah brother, how you doing man? The one that kills me the 40 -year -old guys come up to me go do you remember me? I you've met me when I was seven years old Like dude you look a little bit different You're seven you got a full beard and everything So but it's it's it's cool to because people are so nice and respectful and most people are really really Honestly, just really nice people yeah, and and it's just amazing, you know There's very few idiots out there. Yeah, it's it is amazing. Yeah, it's just most people are really nice So many of us that you hear about the idiots, you know, when they do exist But there's so many of us that you hear about it so that it's like, you know, statistically pretty small number of people It becomes the thing that everybody concentrates on all the time and it gives you a distorted perspective of people of the human race Like most of them.

1:52:49It's like driving a car. You driving cars dangerous. Yeah, but it's pretty amazing. How good everybody is at it It's pretty amazing though most days you can get around and never see an accident I mean you're dealing with so many cars, there's thousands of cars that you see every day if you live in a city And most days you don't see an accident like the vast majority of days you don't see accidents You know, that's amazing. You mean you might see one that it already happened But how many do you actually see right and your whole life you might see like it doesn't you know It's kind of crazy because it's a difficult task that everybody gets I think it's just easy to get cynical when you pay attention and bad shit and that's the news is always giving us bad shit You know, we always have things to worry about there's an now they're talking about it There's a new strain of the virus.

1:53:44We have to be really scared of like It's like every day. It's like new problems from all over the world and you're inundated by it So it's very difficult for people to just kind of chill out That's amazing because the stuff I was looking at the same what was your start wearing mask and we're gonna Isolate and yeah, yeah Yeah, there's some college just put reinstated a mask mandate Which is like oh my god you people you're loving this It doesn't even make any sense because if you're a college That would mean you're in an institute for higher education if you're in if you're an institute for higher education Wouldn't you be paying attention to the latest data?

1:54:22Oh, yeah If you were you would realize that masks don't have a significant impact. There's that's not statistically significant doesn't work And especially like regular ones if you have like one of those K95 and whatever the fuck they are And it's tightly fitted that'll provide you with some protection also you're not supposed to wear it more than an hour a day They're saying it's not healthy to just breathe through this fucking cloth thing all day. It's stupid Yeah, I mean it's just insane that these people want to give back into this mania again. It's like they miss it It's weird right it is it is it's a weird victim Uh embracing mentality.

1:55:06It's almost like people run a hundred mile race and after they're done like I'm never doing that again And then two weeks later they're like I'm gonna get I'm gonna do another one. It's like they want to they want to experience something Exciting whether it's being scared out of your fucking mind whether it's showing the world that you're a really good person by putting a mask on all of it is just nuts So that that throws in the face what I said earlier. I was like most people good people they are most people are but There's a good percentage of people that are out of their fucking minds a good percentage just Bouts and off the walls out there Well, they're being let around you know, but people have a different agenda It's also shocking how easy it is to just get people to just Just to believe nonsense like hardly any work has to be involved.

1:55:57It's not something like They don't they just kind of as long as like experts on TV say it they go okay. We're in It didn't when it's proven that they're wrong. There's no sort of reconciliation There's no there's no moment where they go well now I'm not now. I'm gonna like look at other news sources Now I'm gonna see if there's any experts or scientists that disagree with certain things but It most people are just like you know if you're 40 years old you got a mortgage you got kids You're working all day enough time you enough time to be paying attention this shit You know, we're very fortunate that we're comics so we have the day to do whatever the fuck we want and we can Read things that maybe you know, we send each other or watch a documentary or something and get a new perspective But the more I do that the more I get bummed out right it's like I don't want to hear more about the opioid crisis.

1:56:48I don't want to hear more about just nonsense that's happening in the world It's just You know, I don't know man. It's just a very uncomfortable moment for this country for for people in general I think I just don't think that this access to information the way we get it is good for us I think it just freaks us out. I think there's too much going on all the time Well, if I were to look back Even I was gonna say five years ago, but if I probably back a year ago I would never have dreamed where we would be where we are now With all the insanity that's going on yet. It's very strange. It's like We're kind of awakening to First of all how connected we all are and we're also being integrated to AI and really quickly This chat GPT shit people are getting busted using it for school papers already and you just it's just so easy to get this thing to do work for you It's like why would I do this?

1:57:54Why would I do and you can kind of see where the writing on the walls going It's like boy that's shit over well first of all it over Well most people's emotions with the social media and self -harm is up and Suicides among young girls up or up From then they think that there's a direct connection to social media and what it does to kids, but As it gets more and more in va I mean, it's gonna become a part of us And we're kind of the last generation that's ever gonna remember what it was like Before the internet With the last generation Because the kids today that's just what they know it's like we know electricity, you know If you lived a long fucking time ago and electricity came about it'd be the most magic shit of all time It's just a very it is but for a guy like you that you know came up pro wrestling in the 1970s I mean For you have gone through all that wildness and to get to where you are today where there's people watching pro wrestling matches on YouTube instantaneously on your phone It's a pretty amazing journey Yeah, I mean we we did some great business, you know with licensing and merchandising.

1:59:14I kind of wish The internet would have been around when we were oh yeah for sure once that first Hulk a mania red and yellow run took off It was it was pretty intense, you know, and that's with no internet, you know, yeah And just word of mouth. Yeah, I mean just when you go to Detroit you have that so forward there And I'll poke in the front row or when you go to LA you have gene hack them and Brad Pitt and everybody sitting there So it was like it was different, you know, if we go to New York blonde. He was always backstage and Everybody it was just it was a circus Andy Warhol everybody was there really oh yeah Yeah, how did they get the word out?

1:59:50Were they doing TV ads? Were they doing billboards like radio? What did you guys do? Well, it was mainly radio and print back then And the launch pin was that WrestleMania one because I'd been out and I'd done a few episodes of the 18 with T And I think I did three episodes and then They wanted me to come back the next year they wanted to do the salt and pepper thing, you know with me and T And I just couldn't deal with it man. And T and George were part of it each other's throats They're like pulling me back and forth You know T's going don't talk to them George for a while ago those let me go to the lines really and I'm like You know, it's being pulled back and forth and it was kind of uncomfortable, you know But I did meet my agent Peter Young there because he was T's agent.

2:00:35So that's why I've been with him so long And then he just ruined the 18 for me now. I know that George for part and Mr. T didn't like each other Oh, dude, they were out of full time now. I'm so sad. I can't watch all the episodes now. Oh my gosh. I feel like oh Who is the dick Oh, you have to say. Oh, I don't know. That's a real question. I really don't know. I take it back I pitty the fool whoever it was Stop your jibajama. Bro, he was fucking amazing in Rocky 3. Holy shit. He was amazing. He was terrified. Yeah Hey woman Since you made me got no heart. What's going on apartment tonight? I'll show you a real man There you go.

2:01:16What fuck you? That was a great team That's good him doing the chin -ups and like like he was a very convincing killer. Yeah They did a good job when the rainman at russmenia won Um, I had a little bit of a problem with pipe and ornidol back then but they They uh, they were they ended up being cool about it. They wanted to kill him Who wanted to kill him? Piper Paul Roddy Piper and Paul and off the two guys we wrestled that guy Piper right sure. I know Roddy Piper and and ornidol Because they we hadn't had any celebrities come into our sport like that, you know Oh, and they wanted to kill him.

2:01:56They wanted to meet him up. Yeah, and so it was like Couple mad dogs. I was begging them. Please. Let's just get through the stamp thing, you know Did they go hard on them? Not real hard, but you know T had a little bit of an amateur wrestling background, you know If the problem is is when you're out there You could do all the cardio you want you could do all the working out you want But something about your nerves will blow you sky high where you can't even get a breath Hmm, and I mean just standing on just a adrenaline just yeah just standing on the apron You know, I knew that uh, he would have a hard time with with his nerves once we get out there, and so um once he had the first little run the beginning of the match And I got back in I kept watching on the apron.

2:02:43He was he was hanging dog, you know If he couldn't get his breath back and it was just nerves So wasn't it wasn't in shape? It was the nerves. He got the best thing, but he rallied around and we did get through that but It was interesting because he brought a lot to the table man a whole lot to the table Oh, yeah after rocking three he was a fucking dude. He was a he was a Major star from the 80 team in rocky. He was on fire. Yeah, you know, he gave me a great rub man He wrote up against him made me a bigger star. Yeah, I'm sure Yeah, he was Quite a character back in his day. There was always some talk about um Whether or not like I don't know I might be misremembered like he never he talked about like having pro fights or anything did he Was it was there ever anybody made big offers for him?

2:03:34Mr. T. Yeah, no Why did I think there was something I probably misremembering this there was something after rocky three where they were trying to get him to actually fight I know he started out as a as a bodyguard in Chicago. He was very convincing in rock and three. He was fucking terrified So shredded too. Yeah, that was great The 18 was such a weird show You know those guys driving around in a van Sullivan problems. I've got I've got a bar and Clearwater Beach called Hogan's Hangout right Monday nights are are monster monster nights because we have karaoke there, right? And I've got a mr. T guy Kids about six two He's got all the the jewelry on of course.

2:04:23It's not the real stuff and he's got the mohawk. He looks a lot like to And he drives the van He's got the gray van with the red wing on the side. He drives the 18 van I mean you could see him at the bus games at the race games. They've always going on camera But that's a weird thing to stick with yeah, oh he's sticking with it man. It works for him That's hilarious. He comes to our karaoke. It's kind of funny when he walks in the place goes crazy There's something about those TV shows those nostalgic TV shows they they do make me happy going back and watching like an episode of like the 18 This is because it's It's like a capsule in time That it's never there's never they're never gonna make shows like that again like that There's never gonna be a dukes of hazard again, you know, there's never gonna be any of those shows like When you when you're watching is like a weird peak into a time before there was an internet And with people were just a little goofier.

2:05:18They were just a little goofier Yeah, they they didn't need their entertainment to be so multi -layered It didn't have to be stranger things. Oh, it's up Which shows this See Yeah Do you can you find out what you're that was?

2:05:53Look at you Look at you actually And there's the van Like even the acting They're acting like someone pretending to be acting I think it's the directing like how do you see that and go that's it? Let's move on Coke yeah Holy little salon coke then yeah, Roger's picture. There's like there's a moment in Hollywood history where you watch some of the films You go oh, they were on coke like showgirls you ever see showgirls. Yeah for sure someone was doing coke Whoever fucking wrote that movie and produced and directed that move with that then movies if you watch that like with like a Like lately No, it's insane.

2:06:46It doesn't seem like a real movie you watch like this is crazy It's like they were doing a very subtle parody of a movie. That's what it's like and that's just cocaine It's like cocaine made that movie. I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing no accusations But there's a fun time in you know, Hollywood where you get to see like certain films look like people are not coke when they're They just don't make any sense You guys ever take a pee break. Yeah, take a pee break. Is that cool? Yeah, let's do it that coffee and this thing's got Absolutely, let's go so we're back. We're back from the piss break.

2:07:22Thank God because I think I was rambling about nonsense We were talking about the just the crazy times that we live in Are you are you doing any like fan things where you do meet and greets and stuff like that where people can come out to meet because you're like one of those guys And like everybody wants to meet is like bucket list people if you're a pro wrestling fan you're on the Mount Rushmore Yeah, I kind of I don't do a lot of them, you know and once again not to be repetitive, but the sports Company I work with Darren print sports, you know um, he tried to get me where I mean his story as he tried to get me to work within for almost 20 years I wouldn't do it.

2:08:03I just don't um I'm not one of the weekend warriors, you know, they're kind of like now that I'm done with the wrestling I go out and sign autographs and do that stuff. I just Really don't do that. I made like last year. I think I did one, you know Oh, wow like a big one in Chicago And then I've got these little retail stores where I sell um, I got one in clear order beach stuff Got one roll and where I sell t -shirts and number of billion stuff to the kids and wrestling fans And usually like once a year sometimes twice you're all doing autographs signing in clear order and one or rando But I just don't make the rounds that much and go out every weekend because I mean I could work every weekend Sign autographs at Comic -Con's and different things.

2:08:44Hmm But I just really have never done that. What are you doing the majority of your time these days? It's a good question. I seem to be busy all day long, you know Uh, my day starts out with training every day I'm training a couple hours in the morning and Everything's everything stuff. He's doing Sweet lifting, you know, and everything's a compromise. I had no Olympic bars at all and You know, I have a rocket dumbbells. I have straight bars and easy crew bars And of course the old school I carry in machines all my equipments about four years old You know the good stuff a lot of strives stuff, you know chamber cam stuff.

2:09:23We can train around injuries Like for biceps sort of torn everywhere and all the holes. I have them be from tearing stuff that I never fixed You know, there's there's a chamber cam Do you hit the peak in the top? But you can eliminate this part if it's the weak part of your arm training around injuries So I do that and then I kind of like get rolling man. I just I'm a beach bum, you know I just love being on the beach and just stay busy um The lady I'm getting ready to marry, you know, she changed my life. She's got three kids you know, and um I just on paper we've talked, you know seven -year -old man With the younger lady 47 -year -old lady with three kids, you know 16 14 and nine on paper doesn't work at all You know because I'm just way too over that by felling over the kids You know, and so it's just I just love having people around and you know felt crazy in love with her So you know a lot of the stuff is her and I figured out what we're gonna do where we're going You know, we love to go out and eat and hang out at the beach and she likes to train too and then her kids are like a full -time job And um, I do a lot of stuff on the phone, you know, I make deals on the phone You know, I could have like a I could sit in my office and have a $50 day or it could be a high seven digit day depending on We're we're at with this stuff, you know, so oh, I just stay busy all the time, you know, and it's uh I'm still in the contract with the WWE and Just give have a ton of licensing and merchandising stuff, you know, I think I think when I was the world's champion I had 300 licenses of 300 different products like watches headbands frisbee's tennis shoes Potty sees for kids chopped kites.

2:11:10You name it. I had a cameras. I had like 300 licensees now that I'm not the world's champion And I haven't wrestled for quite a long time. I've got like 800 licenses, you know, wow It's just insane with lights like it's kind of like what's old is new again, you know and they're kind of like I feel like I'm the the Elvis is not dead yet, you know, the way they're licensing and merchandising So I know when I kick the bucket my stuff's gonna go through the roof. Oh through the room. Yeah Yeah, it's I mean, I stay busy with all kind of craziness man You know what's really encouraging to me is that despite all the physical abuse your body's had your mind is very sharp And even though you've gone through this whole fentanyl prop that's the you know The opioid thing with people with injuries my god, it's so legendary so many people have had those issues But you came out of the other end and you seem clear as day Well, I don't have an addictive personality You know because I'm either all the way in or all the way out And you gotta realize that all these wrestlers And I don't know the numbers But you know if you said football how many wrestlers have died in the last 25 years the number could be 10 or 20 You know if you said baseball the number could be 10 or 20 but when you say wrestling in the last 30 years It's a couple hundred 250 guys that have heart attack overdose this that new and I was the ringleader You know, I was definitely the ringleader and I ran real hard But I just kind of knew when we got to the edge.

2:12:38I knew when to pull back So what was does this partian or is this did start with injuries and then lead to the schedule It was the schedule first off And not have any real rules because like It's like Vince McMahon runs the show, okay? And so when was to say Roman Reigns goes out who's one of their biggest stars now I don't know if you guys are familiar with what's going on now but Roman Reigns is a huge star And when he goes out to wrestle somebody like Dolph Ziggler You know the referee or events whoever's the the agent will say Roman Reigns is gonna beat you Joe Rogan with the sleeper holder Something or Superman punch okay fine Well back in the day, you know when we first started and Vince took over I'd go to Philadelphia Spectrum and Vince would say okay.

2:13:31I want you to be piped with the leg drop So okay, you'll tell her hey Roddy you know that Vince wants me to go over and beat your leg drop. He got no Okay Well What do you want to do Roddy, you know And then I'd have to explain business to a lot of guys and I love Roddy to death We hated each other for years Then we became really really close before he passed last five or six years And so it always tease him when we became princess Roddy Like when you didn't want to do I ran and I would flip the belt back and forth all the time Because Randy would do business, you know, if I needed the belt back after movie give it back then I dropped it to him again And I told pipe I said you made a lot of money But can you imagine how much money?

2:14:12I mean you got eight kids or seven or eight kids Said you imagine how much money you were made if you don't let me beat you one time Then I could want to Vince to say we can trust this guy. Let's put the belt on pipe because I don't need the belt Right, I got the gimmick bro. I'm all right in my stuff. I was locked in what I needed somebody to take the belt so I could chase him Right because I can put that belt on you. I see a big dollar sign there. I'll chase your ass all over the place Right. I said Roddy can you imagine how much money you had to make if you let me just beat you once And then you come to WCW when I'm a bad guy you beat me every night big deal.

2:14:42I mean it's a work brother You know it's all about the money in the miles that there's money to be made. Let's make it brother You know so throughout all this stuff running with these guys I saw them all drop off, you know one at a time one at a time And it was the schedule which is very taxing because we were running really hard back in the day It was you could go to Austin Texas tonight. I dock. I hurt my back hurt my back. Okay Piper hoganers 30 perks and next night you're in Chicago. Hey docker hurt my back. Oh okay You every single town There's a doctor, you know, and that's how this whole thing gets started, you know and then You know all of a sudden it ends, you know for whatever reason you go get a couple de eyes Or you get in a fight and hurt somebody really better whatever the case may be all of a sudden You're either too old or you get injured or you hurt somebody to do some some stupid legal stuff and your career ends And then you go home and you don't fit in at home Because you've been gone for 10 or 12 years and your wife's raised the kids you walk in you don't fit in So dad's home now so What are you doing here?

2:15:53You know, you don't fit in and then That's when the drink and and you know, then there's that note. I tell my girl all the time I said I get this crazy turbulence in me You know, and it hits me like it's seven or eight o 'clock at night. I get Like if it's another man. I'm real good with turbulence with another man But just with normal, you know people you know like her I don't want to start anything with her or pick pick at her That turbulence from every night Going from playing cards with Andre, you know at nine o 'clock at night till ten minutes later somebody kicking in the head kicking and stomping and beating on you Yeah, and coming up So do you think your body was like programmed to get rid of it to do violence?

2:16:35Yeah, I could go from sitting here talking to you like this and two minutes later or walk out there I'm spinning around spinning around when I slide in on the ropes Bad guy stomping me in the head And you got to make that adjustment so all of a sudden at night. I'm sitting around at eight o 'clock at night I'm going like this. I'm watching American Idol. I'm going What is wrong with me? I can feel this turbulence ramping up in me And that's why I get the gym in my house because sometimes I go downstairs now. I'm frank at night just You know because when you're used to breaking that sweat every night.

2:17:05Yeah, and rust on the guy your own size And physically getting completely worn out to where you're like, okay I'm not gonna relax. I've had enough, you know, yeah, you miss that and a lot of these guys go home After doing this they don't know how to adjust And all of a sudden they adjust with over -medicating and drinking and then they really don't fit in at home and the next thing you know There's a tragedy here. They do too much too many solos or too much blow too much. Just And it's just been a repeat scenario in our business. So for me You know talking about all this negativity and the stuff that's going down my life is really good brother I mean, you know, I might have some physical issues from all the surgeries But I'm healthy as a horse, you know, and at the end of the day.

2:17:51I train. I eat good I mean, I'm you know Really have a great outlook on everything, you know, and I have my you look good you look healthy. You really do It's great to see. Well, I mean, you know, I just turned 70. That's amazing and a lot of guys that You know, I that around that I went to high school and I see them. They look like they're 95. Yeah You know, and I had some guy come you know, they'll get the same birthday. We're the same age. I looked It was it during karaoke in my bar It goes where the exact same thing I looked at him bro. He was like 100 miles of bad road. Yeah, I'm like what did this guy do We'll stop moving they stop moving they stop taking care of what that's what Willing Nelson told me He said hogan if you slow down you go down Well, look at fucking Mick Jagger We went to see Mick Jagger last week to see the stones last year.

2:18:40Yeah, and it was Mick Jagger's Biden's age and he has two trailers That he brings everywhere he goes that adjust exercise equipment. Well, this guy trains every day Every day and that's that's how you can still move around like that when you're 80. He's up there dancing The shit and singing and putting on this amazing show at 80 fucking years old Yeah, but I think a lot of its mindset too, you know because Not the Bible thumb you death bro, but I keep I keep one foot in each each zone man. I keep You know in this human incarnation. I keep one foot, you know kind of like in the human encouraged I keep one foot in the spiritual incarnation You know when one stuff goes down or this goes down or things go wrong my life I deal with it, you know, efficiently as I can't then I bracket it and I go back to center you know and I've got this crazy relationship with God brother and I've got this crazy relationship spiritually with who I am and And why I'm here and so all that Takes present overall the noise.

2:19:44Yeah, the border Government I I listen to it and I kind of I kind of really really aware of what's going on But then I go back to center. Yeah, I go back to center because I've got a whole bunch of opinions about certain things And at the end of the day my most important thing is know what my number one priority is and stay And stay as close to God as I can so that's why I Look at things really positively. You know when I am broke My girl out there has corrected me so many times. I'm not trying to You know say anything weird or anything but there's so many times where I can go the wrong way quick And when I go one way quick, I'm all in you know, so I gotta be careful So if I start deviating a little bit, you know, there's certain people that can talk to me.

2:20:35Okay. Well It's not that bad or this just think about the big picture. So you know these guys in the cartel. Cool Yeah, but I'm just saying what I'm trying to say is all this stuff we've talked about yeah When I look at everything around me, I go back to where I'm animal man life is good brother I think this this is a very important thing for people to hear because there's a lot of people that dismiss religion Because they think they're too smart for it. I think there's a there's a great value in being connected to Whatever you believe you believe in God if you believe in a law if you believe in whatever whatever you believe There's a great value to believe that there's a higher power and that there are like there's good ways to live life There's a there's a correct way to live life and it does bring you more peace and it can it does really work And so for a guy like you to say that I think is it's important for people to hear because I think when I was younger I always dismissed religion too because I kind of dismiss the stories that were written by people But that's not dismissing God and the idea of God It's like we don't know what is going on in this bizarre life that we live But I do know that a lot of people that I know that are Very happy and grounded and centered are also religious a lot of people.

2:21:56I don't think it's a factor that anyone should discount and The people are very smug about it. You know, they're too smart for that. You're not gonna trick me. You know, that kind of shit When did you uh, were you always religious or when did you start becoming religious? Well, you know, I kind of like would go to a southern Baptist church when I was a kid because I I went to bottles point elementary school in Tampa And right across the street from bottles point was a bottles point Baptist And my kids my mom and dad took me to church one time there And I was hooked my parents Only went once with me, but it was close to my house We're you know back in the day bro in the 60s you could ride your bike anywhere and stay out even when the street lights came on Nobody's gonna steal your kidnap you or anything So we just stay out throwing rocks at each other to raise them hell You know, so I would ride the Ballast Point Baptist Church every Sunday And you know, I kind of like going there because a lot of the kids from elementary school their families would go there You know, right and so I would go there to bottles point Baptist was raised in a southern Baptist church And then when I started playing in a rock and roll band when I kind of like gotten junior high and stuff I kind of like wasn't going to church at all And a couple buddies of mine who became ministers there were twin brothers Ron and Don satter white They I'm asking to come to Hank Lindstrom's youth ranch because all the kids were there was like a Bible study thing and Bible Bros and all that stuff and they would all say they didn't have anybody to play guitar So they know I play guitar so I went there and I played all this the you know three chord progressions for the little Christian songs and stuff And then this this minister Hank Lindstrom hit me hard with the John 316 God so the world we gave it only we got in son That whoever believed you know they gave a son when I'm not parish but have everlasting life And I accepted Christ as my savior on us 14 But then I derailed You know kept playing music and rock and roll bands and get way away from my faith And then as the years went by you know, I started seeing how things went and it's got me to the point now where I'm locked back in I'm locked and loaded you know after all the life experiences and You know seeing how people live and What money does the people you know and you know, okay money makes it easier, but it's not the live and dial situation That some people say it is you know and it's just That that relationship I have not so much religion but with my Gordon Saviour's what I function on you know when did you this?

2:24:35It was this a gradual transition to coming back to your faith or was it? Yeah, it was it was and the thing was the whole Kogan character kind of pushed me in that direction Because that crazy character that whole Kogan character That was all the way up here forget the Americana forget the blonde hair forget Venice Beach, California forget the tan It was the three demands of the training the prayers and the vitamins from captive Captivated by that left bicep yours. Those slides these fucking things. He is hands 70 Give me a gun. Give me that left gun. Well, I'm a lot of gas look at this dude. Just just look at the size of his fuck Jesus Christ the mother fucking My triceps are still in the same It's gotta pull it out.

2:25:25Oh my god. Yeah, look at this size of that thing. Yeah, that's like I'm like a rabbit burrowing under your arm I forgot what I say, man you sorry. Sorry. You look fucking amazing. What was oh the character whole Kogan The training the prayers and vitamins It took the man Terry Bolay and started bringing me up because All of a sudden I hit on this character trading cigarette prayers and your vitamins believe in yourself the four demands brother to be a whole Kamehniak I hit with all that stuff. Right. I was out running around drinking smoking weed doing yay. Who going crazy? You're on a wild in my boys and all the sudden All these make -a -wish kids want to come see me and I had years were Michael Jackson Mr.

2:26:09T Mickey Mouse. I saw more what make -a -wish kids than any of those people and all of a sudden the character started making me A better person, you know and the character this fake character of the training person Biden and started making me a better person And I kind of realized that kind of really really worked and And then I bought him out, you know with my first marriage Um, there was a situation where I get to this I was the person that thought when you do this contract under God for better worse Till death was part I thought you're supposed to be serious about that You know, so I I used to brag.

2:26:45I'm the only well -schampy that was never divorced I used to brag about a flare of the married 29 times all my boys been married 29 times everybody's been married 29 times Right and all of a sudden when I went through this divorce and I really bought himed out You know, it was a tough one and then my wife split with a younger younger man. It was uh It was a little rough on me and then I started searching I started searching and I watched that movie the secret Oh wow and all the sudden I kind of like watched it and bought into it that I had a Mercedes at the time and I had my buddy who had a car stereo shop Deprogram the navigation and I put the secret in the store every time you start the car the secret would come on On the navigation screen really.

2:27:32Yeah, so I probably saw it and heard it 10 ,000 times, okay And then I saw what the law of attraction was it was a natural law That not only does science say it works and the Bible says it works the rich get richer the poor get poorer talking about relationships um We're talking about money. We're talking about health. We're talking about everything You know you tracked which you think everything comes with the heart your tongue speaks with the minds thinking So at the end of the day, I saw that that law of attraction is actually A scientific law that were given such as Aerodynamics, you know, how a plan will stay in the air with the wind going over the top of the wing faster than underneath Boyancy, you know how buoyancy works, and then Gravity is working right now.

2:28:20You're probably not even thinking of it I'm not thinking about okay, I know you're not but gravity works too. It also the law of attraction Works to rich get rich poor your poor like attracts like you know, and so at the end of the day I've seen the secret thing and having to beat my head. I went hmm This guy named James Ray who went to prison for that sweat lodge thing Sweat lodge thing. Yeah, he had a sweat lodge thing. Oh, yeah people dying right yeah, yeah James Ray He he he at the time said something that really hit me hard on his secret. He goes there's probably things in your life that you're not proud of And there's probably a lot of things in your life that you are proud of But when would now and he said the word when would now be the time to change?

2:29:06I want I mean you can change your direction of life by changing your thinking And I'm like you gotta be kidding me So anyway, I started praying. I want to meet James Ray I want to meet James Ray and I and you think like it's already done. It's like when you pray You don't pray like all please. You know, heal my back. I'm hurting. No, you say thank you God for my perfect health for my healing You pray like it's already done. You know, oh, that's what you do. Yes. That's what you do pray like it's already done And you guys are killing him. You want me you want me to shut up? No, I love you Okay, I'm killing you.

2:29:42So anyway, I want to hear more about now I'm praying to meet James Ray right praying praying praying all of a sudden I get a phone call Hey, dad. What's up, Nick? Oh, you know, I'm in the bathroom. It's Beverly Hills hotel I think that guy's in here that's in that movie the secret. I was asking what his name is Nick goes, hey, excuse me sir. What's your name? My name is James Ray. I put him on the phone So now the guy I've been praying to meet He's in the bathroom in my son. Okay, I coincents whatever there are no coincidences in life but whatever So anyway Now the long guy with the dreads Michael Beckwith Now I'll start praying, you know, because I want to want to see him.

2:30:21You know, I want to meet him. No, so I'm figuring this crap support this works So all of a sudden I had a really really bad day one day and I walked off the South of American Gladiators. I just walked off And I had the number one show on NBC eight o 'clock Ben Solvenant had I had an office in Beverly Hills I had one in New York Ben Solvenant Ben Solvenant goes you own the network the numbers were crazy. We were doing really really good And I had a really bad situation happen. I just walked off the set And I didn't come back and I was in tap and they like all you call me because what's up with you I kind of told her what what kind of experience because I want you to come to church with me And nobody's ever asked me to do that right.

2:31:04So I said when you want to come to the Sun to SL be there I was in Tampa So I flew out there we go to church. Guess who's preaching Michael Beckwith So I'm like, you know the guy who on the meet the guy with the dreads So I'm gonna start to listen to what he said he ended up marrying me the second time and we became friends and stuff But it kind of led me down that path You know to start searching and finding what would work for me and what I believed in And ever since then man that's been the number one priority and it kind of locked me in You know to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and what I believe in and so everything else is a distant second to what happens around me Yeah, that provides you with a lot of like peace, right?

2:31:49Oh my god You know that's the thing that all my friends that are very religious say that it gives them a peace Yeah, that I don't think people have without it. Which is interesting Yeah, and the craziest thing was Sky the girl I'm engaged to It's such a crazy story. I swore I'd never dated another blonde Swore God I never dated another blonde right? That's hilarious Yeah, so the really cool thing was after I met her there's a whole long story to that situation, but after I met her The fact that she's a believer too. It's just really kind of like makes things so easy It would be probably difficult for you at this stage your life to date someone who wasn't right?

2:32:30Yeah, well I was I was married to somebody the second time who wasn't um it didn't really resonate with her That it was more the universe and the way in dire and all that stuff Esther Hicks and all that stuff. Well, I mean that's a little bit of the law of attraction too Yeah, I guess but there's a lot of uh, yeah, there's a lot of I'd I'd already there bro and worship it fall So I just I'm not on that team. I hear what you saying. Yeah I keep an open mind about whether or not the law of attraction It's just probably something going on with our minds and the way it interacts with reality That's not measurable And I think you could say like we know that people that have a positive outlook and positive Thinking and they they do the right things they get further and better in life right?

2:33:17So it's it's obvious that like the direction that you put your thoughts and your time and your effort into If you're doing it the right way yield results the problem with the That I have with like a lot of these people that think that you could just think about things and then they happen It's like everybody that's thought about things and happened has already done. They do a lot of shit There's a lot of movement. It's not as simple as just like thinking about something That's but it might be a real aspect of it because I know a lot of talented people that have a negative Perspective and shit never seems to go right for that even though they're really talented Has like something about the way they look at life and reality They're kind of like hamstringing themselves.

2:33:59It's one of this thing in a brother You have to believe it you have to feel it like it's already done and then Then you got a better shot at it when you said that it's like scientifically proven How is it how is the law of attraction scientifically proven? Well, it's just it's proven because like attracts like You know Well positive charges and negative charges are opposites You know, but they were pillow away from each other. You know, if you try to put them together Well positive I take that back positive doesn't Maybe I didn't speak pause maybe I should have said we suck at science. Yeah, you know, everyone knows it Yeah, we're not here science.

2:34:36It's all Coganweeds good. Yeah, it's a little too good So little it's a little problematic. Let's say there's sometimes I was lost Yeah, but just just um at the end of the day everything that I've read mindset and you know Just like you're saying if people are really really negative You're not going to attract really greatness to yourself if you're always You know upset or mad or thinking bad thoughts. No. No, you certainly aren't you know, it's interesting my friend Will Harris he interviewed sugar shaw no mally and He did this whole series on sugar shaw no before he won the world title this weekend And there's a there's a sick it's probably on his Instagram where he's talking to him He's like you manifested this like you manifested this success like you you had this mindset You applied the work, but you knew you had a vision in your mind of what was going to happen And you made it happen and what is that like he's like why always knew it was gonna happen But still when it happened he'll play this because it's pretty crazy and don't let me forget to tell you something Okay Like or or they like I mean you talk you talked about how you planned all this Did you wake out sometimes and and and look at this situation and just be like man, this is crazy Yeah, I usually camp I have more like quiet time time to myself That's where I feel like I grow the most is in camps because of that reason alone Like I'll find myself sitting outside by myself kind of just thinking about all this shit.

2:36:09Yeah, it's uh It is it's like if you were to ask me years ago Am I gonna have all this one and do all this over to say yeah, so it's not like holy shit What I can't believe this because I can't believe it, but it is still like Damn, it was all the vision at one point. You know, I wanted all I wanted it was like a big a nice house with a backyard A hot tub with a cold plunge in a sauna in a Lambo Okay, well, I got all that pretty quick, so What's next Beatin up Peter you know getting a championship belt maybe two I want to be I want to do big things in the sport It's good, but it is like that's an example.

2:36:54I mean massive amounts of hard work, but also Believing this thing and having this this sort of unstoppable focus on this thing There's a great value of that. I don't know if it's you would say it's the law of a track I don't know if that's real and maybe real it might be some aspect of it's just real But I know that that shit works like if you could think like that and work like he does and you have talent You can make wild things happen in this life and it's amazing to see and with someone like when he just won the title this weekend There's something amazing when you see a Spectacular performance that you know has come out of years in years of intense labor.

2:37:34Yeah intense discipline And a mindset focused on this and then you see it happen right people can do extraordinary things agreed It's really and it's it's amazing for all of us as long as you're not a hater and if you're a hater you robbing yourself of inspiration Yes, agreed if you're a hater you're you're you're you're literally robbing yourself You don't know it, but you're you're stealing from your own ambition by being jealous of others It sucks, but that's just what it is It's like if you can instead look at someone like that and go Holy shit if he did that what if I applied myself like that?

2:38:10What if I thought like that? What if I went after something with every fiber of my being like he went after that title? Could I do something good? Could I do something that I'd be proud of? Could I do something magical? Yeah, you could they could just Can I think the right way? But I wanted to tell you before I didn't say that but I said something kind of like that When I was still planning a rock and roll band and all these big scary wrestlers were coming in And I was this long -haired hippie playing in a band That one of the wrestling managers was kind of like nice to me, you know And I said oh can I come over and talk to you some day good stuff Yeah, come by my house and he told me where he lived And as I'm sitting in the living room this guy's managing superstar Billy Graham Joe Ladouk My name's Steve Strong who was will I don't know if you know who these guys are with superstar Billy Graham.

2:39:03Yeah sure Yeah As he came in the house he goes well, you don't talk about I said I want to I want to get in the wrestling business and I told him this Straitors face I said I'm gonna be the greatest wrestler that ever lived I told him that now Not knowing if I was or not, but all I'm saying is the mantra of the very very positive mantra of the training prayers and vitamins What did it attract? Yeah You know and nothing against a lot of the other wrestlers. I wasn't mr. Perfect Thorn bubblegum I wasn't doing the undertaker with death and body bags I wasn't doing the stoke whole thing drinking beer and he's a huge wrestler all these guys are undertaker They're all huge But for me that training prison vitamins.

2:39:46I just wanted to really get in the wrestling business and make a living You know, I didn't know that it was gonna spiral like that Well, how could you no, but he he's saying he knew it. I didn't know it. I just said it right like it was already done and just threw it out there and I'm sure there's a lot of other people that said it and did make it though That's the problem when our factor and those people Is the thing with the law of attraction you don't really factor in losers. It does an accurate count of that That's true. So many people are not quite honest about it either Because it's very painful to fail and that's why I'm owning many people don't try to It's um, I don't know.

2:40:26It's interesting But it's it's interesting to me to see a guy like you with a very positive mindset in this new sort of appreciation for your faith and that your Your is showing great benefits from it. There's times when people do you know the story of Oliver Anthony Do you know Oliver Anthony? He's a guy was a number one song in the country and Recorded it in his backyard and just read here at Goodwick. Yes. Oh, yeah, so this guy gave himself to Christ like 30 days ago and and was having all sorts of problems with substance abuse and The normal chaos and the hip rock bottom and I don't I don't want to speak for him.

2:41:10I don't know what he actually said But it was something to the tune of please God if you can straighten my life if you just straight in my life out I will dedicate myself to you and I will be on the right track and then 30 days later Wow, he's clean and he hits with this insane song. Do you know the song? Yeah, yeah play that song Jamie because this song is insane And this guy doesn't have a label. He's not attacked. It won't sign anything people are trying to get him to sign things They're offering them like millions of dollars. It's like, you know Nope, no, no, I'm not signing shit. I'm gonna be myself.

2:41:46I better be in itself Listen to this. Yeah, this is amazing Oh It's such a simple song Yeah, what is that what kind of instrument is that that's not a banjo right to guitar? It's a guitar. He's got a cable on it. He's playing a way hop on the neck That's a D if that was where it known was it's played an A minor C A G And that's a D there he's playing does that metal thing? Where is he strumming behind it? Does that change the tone? Yeah, it does It makes it a little more banjo -esque, right But yeah, he's got that cable half real connect because his voice is a lot higher Isn't it crazy that just this guy and the guitar just singing just captivates people.

2:42:55That's amazing, right? It's amazing But this is another example of a guy who just like hits rock bottom fully all in he said you say what people think man. Yeah, yeah And people freaking out like trying to attack him and try to figure out what's wrong with him. What's wrong with him This guy's probably got a shady past like can people just can people just ever just appreciate Someone's thing that they put out there can they just appreciate that? Why don't they just appreciate that? I'm not judging people. How about this moment forward moving forward? Some people should be judged. There's a lot of criminals out there.

2:43:33I'm not saying we shouldn't judge I just think we should be more charitable and when someone just puts out a beautiful song like that You see, oh, that's a beautiful song just enjoy it. Why can't we just enjoy things? I see you know through words Yeah, I mean if people really lived like Christians would it be probably a better place for most folks? You know I agree When you go to church now is it chaos? Is everybody try to get selfies like what's that like? No, man. It's really cool Um, I go to Indian rocks Christian church with with sky Sky skies my rule shouldn't probably tell people where you go to church because they're gonna go to church with the hogs I want more running a lot more people there.

2:44:18All right, we're just gonna get it. They're coming. Yeah Pastor Aaron's my boy man. He's nice to be he needs to be tested And Her son goes to one of her sons goes to Indian rocks Christian. So we go there every Sunday and Really look forward to it, you know, it's just Kind of like it's something that you don't let go of a lot of people plug in and plug out But it I don't plug out once I'm plugged in I'm I'm there, you know Because I've seen a change a lot of people a lot of people There's also some real power to a bunch of people getting together to agree that they're there to be a better person in the eyes of God You know, there's something there's something very powerful about that a group of everybody that meets together in the community Had a certain time Dressed as nice and just all the grids that we're here to try to be a better person in the eyes of God I've seen a change people the brother that is responsible for this shirt The John through sixteen devotional team Mel Chancy He was the president of the Chicago Hells Angels Um for years.

2:45:23We got Zito in New York. Yeah, you know, and Mel was the president of the club in Chicago and you know Newing very well back in the day And when I go to Chicago, it would be you know ripping and running mm -hmm and Then Mel did about nine years, you know and a bunch of stuff Rico stuff and all kind of craziness. Oh and Actually when milk came out You try to get a hold of me. I had second thoughts going. Whoa, what's up with the brother here, you know, right? I've been seeing him for a while you know And one of the last times I saw him you could probably pull it up as when we were in Knoxville I had the Hells Angels circle in the ring on their Harley's You know they said I didn't have any backup and saw I made a phone call because I got a bunch of friends Back in the day that we're in the club and so they all showed up and In Knoxville and that's the last time I saw a mill before we went away and any came out, you know, and I People sent me a couple messages.

2:46:25He was out. I'm going. Oh my god. Here we go again Here we go again. And so all the sudden we hooked up and And touched base. Oh Yeah, oh There on the left. I think Mel's on the right. I mean this is peak heel hoagin bad guy We went from the best good guy to the best bad guy. Yeah, oh, we were talking about that when we're getting coffee that There was your idea to turn heel. Let me just finish the story and now Mel comes out of prison and Dude, he's he's been saved. He's accepted Christ as a savior. Yeah, there's a big male right there But anyway You know, I have these Jesus callings book. I have a I have a bible in the kitchen I have two of my office.

2:47:11I have one upstairs in my bathroom because I can't really stand and Stand stand for like brushing my teeth and one thing's one thing But when I pull the ponytail out and I got these fake hair extensions So it's like whole coagin, you know with a blonde hair hangs down Trying to straighten these hair extensions out and do whatever I'm doing. I have a chair You know that I kind of kind of sit there and have this All my bibles and stuff and I have for Jesus calling in different books and the Jesus calling has a morning and afternoon Message, you know, so I read this one, man. I said, you know what?

2:47:44That's perfect. I'm called big male up. I said I know you got social media. Mel I want you to go on and read this today, you know, so big male He goes and he goes, I don't know. I said he goes you read. I said no you read it You know, we went back and forth a little bit so he actually read it Now he's got this huge following and you can I guess I don't know how you do you googling or something on Instagram But he's got this huge John 316 devotion. I'm just people all over the world of our following now He puts the word out every Sunday. So I've seen people change brother from being straight out Enforcers badass Crazy people to to being you know people that walk one with Christ people can definitely change Yeah, it's amazing change and that's so that's a way that people do.

2:48:32I mean, this is a reason why they have it in alcoholics and Automuses is a part of the 12 -step program Giving yourself up to a higher power Yeah, but it's it's like for me when we were talking about the pain pills and stuff and stuff like that Some people I feel bad because they have addictive personalities, you know, and sometimes they get caught in that web so As I had all these surgeries and they were hitting me with all this stuff. I should enough enough, you know, and so it's kind of like everything I want to quit drinking or quit, but stuff. It's pretty easy for me But I just feel bad for the guys that couldn't get out of the cycle, you know Yeah, there's some guys man whether it's booze or pills or whatever it is like you can't keep away from it I had a good buddy mine that died I think he died in 2001 2002 and he just was always up and down He was just always was coke and pills and and then booze to calm him down I'm gonna clean up and then he didn't and You know later in his life it got to be pills.

2:49:32I got to be heroin and it was just Whoo, that's where kill my brother It's um, it's a number of mean opioid overdoses or I don't know if it's a number one killer of young people But it's a hundred thousand people a year They're dying of a fentanyl overdoses a lot of it is accidental when they're getting it in something else They're getting it in some you know street Xanax or street I mean, I didn't even know what it was and when the doctor prescribed it to me I figured it was something that you know kind of like the normal pain pill stuff But when I got my system I'm like man, I can't even look at my dogs.

2:50:08I can't even remember my dog's names I mean what in the hell that's why I said You know at the time I said I'd rather be dead than on this stuff I mean really that's where I was at with it because they had me so loaded up. I had no idea it was some Crazy drug that was going to change society completely and kill everybody that touches the stuff if you These police officers just having counters opening bags up and I mean over those just yeah from contact You know, so it's insane. We see this the size of the amount you need to die from it. Yeah, it's so tiny It's so fucking sketching. It's coming through the border and the precursors come from China.

2:50:47Hala Hala Oh It's still a whole thing is just insane. You know, and I don't know how to solve that problem I mean, there's probably a bunch of steps that should be taken but the point is To for a person that's gone through it like yourself and this come out of the other end and you're showing that You know that this is what's really helped you. I think that's very powerful Well, it's the truth. I believe it. Yeah, I mean you speak the truth. It's clear. It's the truth It's awesome. It's awesome to see you and it's awesome to see how sharp your mind is man like what are you? Do you take supplements vitamins and things like that or like are you yeah?

2:51:29I used to be the organic guy, you know and Go straight to nature's food patch was so it's a little independent grocery store where we live and of course I still buy the food there, but I was buying the vitamin stuff and then I got with a nutritionist You know, they kind of like did muscle testing or if there's like 5 or 6 vitamin C's she can tell you which one works the best for you know by having the product They're in testing it on the spot and so I've gotten sucked into buying all the vitamins from her, you know And so I you know, I got that from the 8 to the Z is the she could say I get all the the vitamin stuff Just and if I take too many man at one time I have to split them up a couple times during the day The whole water once man.

2:52:15Oh, so you're going ham. You're taking a lot of stuff. Oh, yeah. I'll just get sick as a dog nauseated Yeah, but It's made a noticeable difference when you started doing that um Not in Not in the the amount of pain in my body and in the way I feel Yes, I just it's just my mindset and everything, you know, it's kind of like Instead of going down that rabbit hole like you used to I really myself back in I got to check myself at the door a lot, you know Because I can be pulled really I don't have like wrote. I mean road rage or somebody pulls them from here anything like that But when things happen Business wise or somebody that I care about are a very good friend lies to me or something I kind of like I get that Good Hulk here the bad Hulk here, you know kind of like I'll lean into it and I It's just our business.

2:53:09We just handled things differently with men like I talked to men differently than I talked to women Sure, and and with men we've always been able to Kind of like don't fuck me Mike come on buddy. Whatever. It's just yeah, it's just it was just the business I was in was so different if we had a problem it either right be fixed there or out there, right? You know, and so it's just kind of like I kind of like Keep it dialed in now, you know, and so It's things are good man. It's things are really good That's good that you could avoid that kind of stress But you you have more access to resources like mental resources when you're healthy So if you're you're taking good nutrition you're eating well and sleeping well You'll make better choices for the most part then if you're tired Like it's why people make such poor food choices when they're tired It's like literally something that goes on with your brain when you're exhausted that You'll you'll just go fuck it.

2:54:01Let's pull into a jack -in -a -box drive through You'll eat a bunch of shit you feel terrible about five minutes after you eat it But that's just you don't have access if you were healthy in the middle of the day at noon You wouldn't you won't I'm not gonna eat that because I want to all feel like shit you'll eat better Like you make better choices when you're healthier and when you have more energy and your body is Given all the proper nutrition and rest and fluids and you're well hydrated You're gonna function better. You're gonna think better. You're gonna make better choices. You're gonna do more things It's just a smart thing to do.

2:54:34Yeah, well when I was drinking a lot of alcohol which Which January first I quit drinking I went seven months without drinking anything And all I know is when I was drinking at night when everybody would wind down I'd be the one eating the popcorn or a protein bar getting the ice cream and all that stuff, you know, I was hovered Even about two years ago. I was still hovering around 300 pounds, you know Whoa, and so you know, I'm down like two sixty an hour two sixty five. That's kind of like well a weight in ninth and tenth grade so you know I feel much better, you know just cleaning my ex up and just like he said you know If we're not drinking last night and raising a lot of felt like crepsed sitting here It's so hard when you're when you've had a few drinks and then you come home It's so hard not to just go ham.

2:55:23Oh, I go crazy Everything in the fridge Yeah, start making sandwiches and I made two Three egg fried egg sandwiches one night. So I ate six eggs fried eggs with bacon. Oh, yeah, yeah, pepper and cheese Yes Primal kitchen Chipotle lime mayonnaise So I've got that. Oh my god American cheese melted. Let's go. Oh, let's fucking go. That's great I ate two of those and I felt terrible after all. Yeah, I did two in the morning fucking tips. Yeah I did Chicago theater Saturday night neonies like Philip from Filthy by scratch they have a Chicago location. So they're sending sushi like awesome That's good.

2:56:09We're gonna feel good. He goes and also the best pizza chef in all the Chicago wants to actually cook pizza in The kitchen of the green room he has his own oven. He's done it before he's gonna make fresh Chicago pizza And oh my god, we went crazy. I must have had 10 slices of pizza and I've been pretty much, you know No bread because it's like poison once you stop eating it, you know what I mean But that was basically just like it's like doing heroin. It was so exciting. Did you crash? Oh, man, I mean like you wouldn't believe like it was just like I was just like disgusting afterwards Even compared to like drinking.

2:56:46It's funny because you drink and you eat shit and you feel like shit the next day But what I've learned only recently is that you can drink as long as you don't eat the shit You're gonna be much better than if you ate the shit like a lot of the hangovers coming from the in and out and from the Chicago style pizza Yeah, what you go to in and out dude you just kind of go flying Dutchman. Yeah, just the patties protein style animal style That's the way to go man. Yeah, that's the way to go Well, Hulk, it's great to see you driving Tell everybody about your your cannabis line too before we leave Well, it's it confused as for like solid 45 minutes of the podcast.

2:57:22Yeah, there's stuff Get it back. Get it back. Yeah, it's good stuff back of the crazy stuff down there. We get the CDB stuff This sunburned vape pens amazing vape pens. Yeah, I'm working people have access to that stuff. Oh my gosh It's everywhere now the the nicotine stuff is the vapes are everywhere now. I mean, so you guys have nicotine vapes Did you give us those two? Yeah, those away from Jamie. He goes crazy for nicotine vapes Every day every day he's out there vaping with the kids Yeah, and the TSC stuff is one state at a time right, you know when they gonna just federally make that legal and get the taxes The taxes from it you mutts.

2:58:10It should be legal. It's been legal a long -out time. I'm gonna step into the Ukraine Yeah But uh and you guys sell CBD as well like gummies or any of that stuff. Yes Where's uh, where's a website would people go and find out where they can purchase that? Don't know don't find it there. Oh Jamie already found there you are We've got all that stuff in the bag. It's immortal by hulkhogan .com So that's what it is. Just go to immortal by hulkhogan .com You have access to all that stuff Coming soon brother put your email address in there subscribe now Oh hulkhogan you're the fucking man I had my day brother a fan since I was a kid so to hang out with you here and to be able to do this is very fun Appreciate you guys.

2:58:55It's really cool set if you got here brother. Oh my pleasure. Thank you Shout out to the great powerful Tony Hinchcliffe Every Monday on YouTube the best live comedy show in the world is kill Tony It's filmed and and recorded live from the mother ship right here in Austin Tony's the master you're the fucking best at hosting a show like that that I've ever seen And you know what went on sale during this actual taping that we're at right now is uh the new podcast live podcast From the mother ship with Rick Flair which we're filming for us for the first time next week That's right. So they're doing you guys this is so hilarious because you talked about it when Rick was on the podcast And then you guys went back and forth you sent me a text message and email.

2:59:38I'm like I knew how big this is to you This to you is like I mean it's literally like somebody just gave you a for our It's crazy. It's insane. Claire messaging me going. I want to do a podcast with you. I'm like okay That's crazy. Yeah. So look at this the goat in the pony Go to the point and Tony Hinchcliffe uh the tickets are on sale you can watch it live And uh it's a 2 p .m. Show on Tuesday, August 29th. What was the other one Jamie? Two and four Tuesday and two and four taping on Wednesday So it's just one time deal where you guys are gonna be consistent. I think we're gonna do a consistent It's gonna be fucking huge.

3:00:16Yeah, he's gonna come out for two days every month and we're gonna shoot four during the day 2 p .m. And four p .m. Release one a week The goat and pony I've never seen you more excited Don't make him laugh because if you make him laugh He laughs at his own jokes anyway Yeah We're gonna laugh. That's great You guys one thing that you guys all have in common is pro wrestlers like the is The old school guys that I bring in here you guys have tremendous character He's just awesome people It's just fun to talk to you whether it's uh Dallas or you know Jake the snake or all this the undertaker You guys are some of the coolest fucking people We see we've seen the pyramids man.

3:00:59You've seen it all remember all the dead bodies That's for sure you see it all and uh Uh and uh on Instagram. What is your uh handle on Instagram? It's whole program whole cogan on everything Whole code and everything all right. Thanks. I appreciate very much you brother. It's only an extra left for you The man thank you. Bye everybody. Awesome. Thank you. Oh you playing the song Give me let me see it put it on the screen Oh All cogan theme song we're wrapping up with this oh my gosh. That's kind of scary