#2025 - Dave Smith

29:06But basically, they said that he was approached by Russians. And that he was approached by a group of Russians to see if he would turn and work for them. and the CIA were like, yes, he was. And he came right back to us and told us about it. And then when they were putting in the application for the Pfizer warrant, the FBI said he was approached by these Russians and the CIA confirmed it. So they said that the CIA confirmed that he was approached by these guys, but they left out the part that the CIA said, and he came right back to us and told us about it. So that one guy was the only guy who got charged.

29:44Did he get, so? So no jail time, but he did get charged. card of page catcher no no that fb i agent who of the by lawyer who lied on the application oh and card of page they had three fires a court warrants on them that uh... they spy done all up and down never been charged with anything because he wasn't spy right and there's look that donald trump even now with all these charges right he's never been charged with uh... treason he's never been charged with in in citing uh... in insurrection because they know they can't get them on those charges So what they're getting them on is all these like novel legal theories.

30:17Well, it's not very clear that he violated the statute, but if we interpret it this way, we could make the argument for the first time ever that this was actually a violation of law, it's all like they're grasping its straws. And it's very clearly like they've weaponized the legal system against this guy. It's not a coincidence that all of these indictments are coming down right now. Like why was the January 6th thing? Why would any of this be coming down right now? This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged, free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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32:41And like you said that the government lied to us about 9 -11. Like what do you think the government was involved in 9 -11? He's like, no. What I said was that the government lied to us about 9 -11 because the Saudis were involved and they knew they were involved. And she kind of glossed over that and was saying something until in the lines of don't you think that you saying that the government lied to us about 9 -11 supports baseless conspiracy theories, you know, like supports the idea that the government orchestrated. Like that's the, when you wanna put on the full tin foil hat with the fucking tin strap, you say the government organized and designed 9 -11.

33:26There was bombs in the building. They knew it was all happening. They detonated Tower 7. Like, oh, you gotta go full hat. And so she's trying to bring him into full conspiracy tinfoil hat. And he is going, no, that's not what I said. And he said something that's factual. And she just sort of pretended it didn't get said. And kept, I mean, that's a real fucking issue. They lied about whether or not Saudi Arabia was involved. It's one of the biggest scandals in the history of the United States of America. It was like the biggest terrorist attack on our soil and the government lied about what had happened and who was involved with it.

34:09And by the way, continued propping up that regime to this day, continued like funding and doing business with the same government that had high level people involved in the attack. And they knew it and suppressed that from the American people because it would have been, you know, if you put yourself back in that time, it would have been such an outrage if Americans had known. And in fact, one of the first things George W. Bush did immediately after 9 -11, even when all the flights were grounded, was high -level Saudis out of the country. It's fly them out of the country. And this is all factual.

34:43Like this happened. It's not disputed. Including members of bin Laden's family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the whole thing is so wild. And it doesn't get discussed. They keep going back to the company narrative. What's the ideological left narrative? The left narrative is anybody who questions 9 -11 is another. And you're another and you're trying to run for president. And he does a very good job of, she repeats the question, he repeats the answer. She repeats the question, he repeats the answer. And she's trying to catch him in this. So it's like, see if you can find that. So I'm looking it up and what I'm seeing online is that the story has turned a little bit that the Atlantic has posted audio from the interview.

35:30He was asking for that audio. Yes, as they released it and it says the Atlantic did not put any words in his mouth. I'm trying to find the audio so we could play it but it's behind a page. So he was saying that they put words in his mouth? Yeah, so but then what I'm also seeing then in the daily beast article is that Spite them release in the audio it says Rama Swami's campaign somehow declared victory Hmm, so they're saying he's I guess they're saying he set up but his team is also saying it's still been taken out of context But what are they claiming that he said? I don't I'm trying to find his transcript and I haven't gotten that far You get it's behind a paywall again, so let's let's listen to his interview on CNN then.

36:10Because the things that it's interesting, like, what's the figures out? Why is it not giving you any volume? Well, it's not the interview yet. It's not? What's that? It's just her talking. Oh, oh, I see. And I actually, and this just lifted the curtain on how media works again. I asked that reporter to send the recording, because it was on the record. He refused to do it. But we had a free -flowing conversation. After our interview, the Atlantic released the audio more than four minutes of it, actually. And here is the part with that quote that was in question. What is the truth about January 6th?

36:51I don't know. We can handle it. Whatever it is, we can handle it. Why do many agents, how many government agents were in the field? Right? You mean like a trapman? Yeah. Absolutely. Why can the government not be transparent about something that we're using. Terrorists, kind of tax -abused by terrorists, if we find that there are hundreds of our own in the ranks of the day that they were... Well, there's an difference between and track the difference between law enforcement agencies. I think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents were on the planes that hit between towers.

37:27Like, I think we wanted, maybe the answer is zero, probably is zero, for all I know, right? I know, I think it was zero. I think other than zero. But if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9 -11, maybe 9 -11 commission, absolutely that should be an answer to public knows the answer too. No, okay. So Vaked did nothing wrong. There's nothing, that's... There's literally nothing wrong with what he said there. But that's like, we're doing this in comparison to January 6th. So we do wanna know how many federal agents were involved in January 6th. And imagine if there was actually federal agents that were involved on the planes in 9 -11.

38:00He didn't say there were. No, he specifically said zero. I'm sure it was zero. I'm sure we want to know Right, but we'd want to know and he's saying if you're claiming this was an act of terrorism just like that was an act of terrorism Then okay, let's have a commission. Let's have a report. Let's know how many federal agents there were and so far I mean, what by the way, it's crazy. It's just she keep going. Can I hear what her take on that is? Please please play the rest of it. Okay I want to hear what she has to say about this Her self. He was, in fact, quoted accurately. In an email to CNN, after that audio was published, his spokesperson said the audio clearly demonstrates that the vape was taken badly out of context, and even this small snippet proves that.

38:45We continue to encourage the Atlantic to release more of the recording, rather than their carefully selected snippet so that the full context and reality is exposed. I should note that spokesperson did not explain how he was supposedly taken out of context. The reality is that the Vekrama Swami is running to be president of the United States. He will be on that debate stage tomorrow night. And he says this is a central message to his campaign. This campaign is founded on the truth. We will not back down from the truth. We stand for the truth. I'm a patriot who speaks the truth. Well, the truth is he did say it.

39:28The quote was accurate and it is on tape. And yes, this is how the media works. You get quoted for things you say accurately. Yeah, but that is still out of context. It's clearly out of context. Otherwise they would have released the entire recording. I know. And it's this weird thing where they brag about how like, but you know what, the Atlantic did release four minutes of audio. Really? Well, why not just release the whole thing? But this was the after he had said they didn't release it because they hadn't right right he's asking for the copy of it They would not give it to him and then they released this small snippet that is again taken out of context and it's not as if anywhere in there He says I I believe there were federal agents in January six he said he's On 9 11 he said it's probably zero But he said he's asking the question about January 6th But he never even said I believe January 6th was an inside job.

40:20He said like it seems like entrapment Like that's kind of what it seems like and we have a right to ask these questions Yeah, the they the Vakes of very a very sharp guy. I had him on my podcast He's very he's a very impressive guy very smart Um, and he's look he's just 100 % right here that I look the Who's a Ray the the FBI director was asked and one of the other top level justice department people were both asked when testifying before congress whether there were any federal agents or um... assets involved in January 6th and they both said no comment they both said we cannot talk about ongoing investigations the only time this was actually asked to high level people they didn't shoot us a no they didn't say no absolutely not let me take a let me steal manness would it be if you were running the FBI and there was something like this march on the Capitol and a bunch of people were saying that the election was rigged and people were storming the Capitol or they're gonna be on the lawn outside of the Capitol.

41:31Wouldn't you want to have federal agents out there?

41:39Wouldn't are organizing something that's highly illegal, what if there are some fucking real loons that are bringing explosives and dirty bombs? Who fucking knows, right? Just imagine the possibilities. Well, we, doesn't it seem like that is what they're supposed to do? Sure, but you wouldn't have them out there screaming, we're going to storm the Capitol. Storm the Capitol. So that's where the difference is. But if there were just the question is, did that happen? Right. Right. You know, so if there were just like FBI agents embedded in some type of protest to, you know, watch out for criminal activity and then if there was some like arrest the person or whatever, that would be reasonable.

42:23But if they're in there to try to provoke criminal activity, that's a whole different story. And if the case was that they were sending the FBI in there because they were worried about violence and they wanted to, then you'd also wonder why was it that the Capitol police didn't get the reinforcements that they had requested? And like, why is it that there were these other two explosives that we've still never gotten the answer to? There's just a lot of stuff about January 6th that doesn't completely add up. And I think Vivek is 1 ,000 % right to like say we should be demanding the answers to this.

42:57Yeah. That's all. Like that's, I think that's a completely reasonable take. And you know, CNN, And they do this thing where, as soon as you start inquiring about these things, they try to smear you as like, you're some type of conspiracy nut or something like that. Where, and the funny thing about it is that, look, we all know, there elites conspire. And intelligence agencies conspire. And they've carried out tons of operations throughout the years. We know that. So why is it so unreasonable to question, whether, like, what exactly are they doing right now? It's not nothing. You know what I mean?

43:36It's not just that. There's also been cases of clear entrapment that we're all aware of that they got away with. And one of the big ones is that 19 year old kid who was talked into detonating a bomb that wasn't even a bomb, but I believe it was by the FBI and I believe it was in Dallas. Is that where it was from? Do you remember that story? I remember the story. Yeah, I don't remember the details of it. But yeah, there's been, They took some young sort of delusional guy and they literally kind of conned him into blowing up this bomb and it wasn't a bomb. They gave him a cell phone, do this and it's going to do that and it's going to blow up and he does that and then they arrest him.

44:15But you told him to do it. You got him to do it. You talked him into doing it. There's been dozens of these since 9 -11, these kind of entrapment things and then the FBI brags about how they thwarted a terrorist attack. But like there was never a terrorist attack. The governor of Michigan. That one's bananas. And it's really sad because like the thing with Whitmore, what they end up doing is kind of like lowering in these really sad people. You know, like the guy's like a homeless guy who's a drunk, who's living in an attic somewhere or something like that, and then they kind of get this guy to go along with it.

44:49And he like resists the first three times. And he's like, no, I don't want to do anything like that. No, this is crazy. And they make keep pushing them and pushing them. and they finally get this guy. So they created the event to begin with. There was no threat that this was going to happen until you guys like Lord, this really sad, in most cases not very bright guys into doing this thing and then arrest them. The craziest thing is the numbers. Wasn't it like there was 14 people and 12 of them? We're in, yeah, the whole thing was basically feds. Yeah, feds. And what was the purpose of it? The purpose of it was to kind of paint this picture of the anti -lockdowners as being these violent threat and so that this would then hurt Donald Trump in his election campaign.

45:37So it's not just like that they were just doing this. It's like they were doing this with a political motivation. This is what's so like, this is the thing that's so creepy and what so many people are waking up to. As part of the reason, look man, this is the reason why that rich man, North Richmond song blew up so big. Because so many people today, and it's kind of what's exciting about the current moment. It's also a little bit scary, but that so many people are just kind of waking up to how corrupt this whole thing is. And you're like, oh, it's all fake. That was, do you remember with the one we just mentioned, Tucker Carlson said he had a source that had read all of the Kennedy files.

46:15This one, he said the CIA killed Kennedy. And he goes, and then we asked him point blank, was the CIA involved in the assassination of Jack Kennedy? And the guy's response was he goes, yes, it's all fake. The country isn't what we thought it was. I remember just that that was like a powerful, like just to say, it's all fake. I think more and more people are waking up to that. Like these people on CNN all day, you know, they act so like, they have this air of like moral superiority and concern about, well listen, than this could lead to dangerous conspiracy theories. This is dangerous for our democracy.

46:55This is what about these downtrodden people or whatever? And then meanwhile, you're like, well, you guys have no interest in finding Epstein's client list, really? Like, how are you not talking about that everyday, man? Like every day. Like you're telling me we found out that there was a ring of like a child rape ring with the most powerful people all involved in it. And you're not just demanding every day that we get to the bottom of this. And in fact, we know that that one ABC reporter had the story suppressed when she first broke the Epstein story, right? She was on a hot mic talking about it.

47:31And like, so you're like, well, where do you get off? Like acting like you're the, yeah, this is how the media works. You get quoted and then we quote you. And then we show you that's how the media works. Like this air of superiority, like you've been caught red handed it on so many different things. You lied us into every freaking war in the last 20 years. You suppressed the EBSD story, you bullshit it about the Hunter Biden story, you're all now even admitting it, even they're admitting it now. Oh yeah, well, it turns out there is a whole real corrupt thing to be investigated here about the Biden's.

48:05But then they still turn around and have this like, well, we're the news and that's what happens. And then they're very concerned with, you know, you spreading misinformation or something. The Ivermectin thing. Yeah. The new what now the the CDC or the FDA rather Can't stop doctors from approving Ivermectin for COVID. Yeah, there's this giant wave of COVID right now. It's happening supposedly Well, according to Alex Jones He has information that there you see that yeah, he said he said he talked to like high -level NSA guys I'm sorry TSA guys who told them that like masks and airports are coming back and that there's going to be a big ramp up in COVID.

48:49And I was really hoping this would fall into the Alex Jones wasn't right category. I still am, but it was really weird that after he said that for the next few days, everybody in the corporate press is talking about COVID again. Not only that, there's a mask mandate that got past at one college and then Lionsgate passed the institute of the mask mandate for other employees. Yeah, yeah, it's wild. I really I have a hard time imagining that they would really try to ramp the COVID thing back up Also all of the all of the science seems to indicate that this new strain is less deadly than even Omicron was and so like What are we even talking about here?

49:29But they're trying to push another round of boosters. They're already I thought there was a Pfizer Spokesman on CNN the other day. That's great. This is why you really need to get this this latest booster, and they say does this booster protect against the newest variant? And he said, it looks like it does. It looks like it does. Okay. It looks like it does. That's what you've got for us now. Not even this, like, it's so funny how far it's fallen. It's not just like, if you take this vaccine, you won't get it, and you can't transmit it. Listen, it's 95 % effective. It's totally safe and effective.

50:05It'll definitely, and that now it's just like, uh, it looks good. Shoot another one, man. What are the effects of taking eight mRNA vaccines in two years? I don't know, looks good. Take it. That's where they're at. But there's enough people out there that are just headlined readers that are going to listen to that, that haven't had these discussions. They don't know this information, that are just going to take it. Well, yes, but there are some things that are encouraging. To me, it's very encouraging how much noise RFK has been making and that he's been like even within the Democratic primary, he was polling at like 20 % in several polls amongst Democratic voters, like, okay, that's something.

50:45And if you look at the rate of the vaccination rate, it was the initial double jab and the Johnson & Johnson, like when they initially rolled it out, they got up to like think somewhere in the neighborhood of like 75 % of the adult population got it. And this was worth a lot of coercion, you know, not just like people just got it. It's like a lot of people had their jobs if they didn't get it, and then had pressure from family and stuff like that. And then if you look at the boost, the rate, the first booster, it was like half of that. And then the next round of boosters, it was like way lower than that.

51:19So most of the American people maybe did get the original double jab, but they have not been buying into this like booster regime of like I got to keep getting more. Well, they are probably got COVID too. And they probably got it pretty bad. You know, it was probably quite a few people at least that got it. I mean, that's this Cleveland Clinic statistics, which are really interesting. That's the study they did on the healthcare workers. It showed that the more jabs you got, the more likely you were to get COVID, which is so crazy. Yeah, which is really scary. And there was a lot of... There was a lot of scientific arguments that were made even before that that were like, There's a real concern that this is the case.

52:04That in fact, the vaccine is essentially tricking your natural response. And hotels, yeah. And this one of the things he said while Trump was president, which is so fascinating that they can change their ideas about vaccines depending upon who's the president. Before Trump was president, when Trump was president, they were all saying, are you gonna take it? I'm not going to take it Biden was saying it who knows who knows what's in there. Kamala Harris was saying it all the voucher was saying it could take years and he literally said specifically this that you know actually sometimes the vaccine can have a reverse effect so it would take years of us studying this before we knew whether this helped or it could actually make it worse they were all saying it and then as soon as the vaccine you know as soon as Trump lost the election and as soon as that the vaccine roll out started Again, it's just like the thing in Ukraine, you know?

52:59It's just like the thing with Al -Qaeda. Oh, that's gone. All that stuff we were admitting five minutes ago, you're a crazy person if you say that now, because now there's the new agenda. And this is how the propaganda goes from that. I will say, man, I think that if they're gonna do this, like if they're gonna bring back like mask mandates, if businesses are doing this, I think like the thing that happened with Budweiser, or with Bud Light, and they put that Dylan Fella on the can. And like, we need that times 10. Like, I completely support people's right to stop drinking Bud Light if they don't like what's on the can.

53:40You know, you don't have to have a cultural thing forced on you that you don't agree with. But like, there's got to be some type of response where like, if you're bringing back mask mandates, we're boycotting your business. Like, we're just not, we're not fucking with people who are gonna try to force this all down or throw it again. because it's insane and it's like at a certain point it's got to stop. Like, dude, first off, the cloth masks don't even work and all the studies indicate that. It doesn't even slow the spread or anything. And this is just insane. Like if you're very sick and you're concerned about COVID, then all right, fine.

54:14You can like kind of isolate yourself, but let the rest of people like live a life. And go back to all this insanity again. It's crazy because it's once people have accepted it and once it's a thing that happened it can happen again And it seems like they kind of want it to happen again At least some people want it to happen again regardless of what the information is about the effectiveness of mass Regardless of like the very low fatality rate for this new strain like regardless of that They still they want to go back to where we were and they want to be able to say that they did the right thing that they protected people Yeah, it's so it's so weird how into it a lot of people got with the COVID thing like they got into being on lockdown They also got it into enforcing other people's You know the people's Like when you have a but like one of the things in LA they were doing they were turning people in for having parties Remember that like snitches get stitches, but in LA they get rewards You get rewards they They were at people were forcing other people to comply.

55:24It's really weird. It's weird how that happens. So you get people that act like prison guards, you know, that they're a little special because they can catch you doing the thing that you shouldn't be doing that everybody should be fighting back against. Yeah, well, it's like, you know, you know there were like the Milgram experiments where they get people to zap them until they think they're dead because the person in a white coat tells you to keep zapping them and they're screaming and paying and most of the people would just keep doing it even after it looked like they were dead That kind of gave this like image of like oh, so this is like kind of how authoritarianism works like there's this authority figure and then people just Comply and they just follow it and they just follow orders and like that's there's an element of that obviously I mean they demonstrated that in the experiment But then it's like it's almost more like the Stanford prison experiments That's really more the complete picture.

56:16That like everyone gets into their little role and they actually really enjoy it. And that's how authoritarian regimes actually come to be and continue themselves. Is that it's not just that like, oh, you know, like Hitler said, we're supposed to hate the Jews and I'm not gonna say no to him, so I guess we gotta hate the Jews. It's more like those people get really into hating the Jews. Yes, that's fucking Jews. They're the ones who did that. You know what I mean? And like, it's kind of like, that's the real sick thing. When you're neighbor, it's just little things, man, I remember in like April of 2020, going to visit my mother and being in her apartment building and her like one of the neighbors, this kind of like busy body older lady, like came right up to us and she goes visiting and without masks, really?

57:03And you're like, lady, like go back down the hall. Like I'm bringing my kids to see their grandmother and I'm not doing that because you're weird. Like go away. I mean, I didn't say it exactly like that. And I said, I think I just said something like, I go, yeah, you don't wanna get too close to us. You know, like social distance, right? Like okay, it's crazy. But it's crazy, like people would get into that and like somehow you could be demonized for the crime of bringing little kids to see their grandmother. You know what I mean? Like that's something really creepy about that. Visiting and without masks.

57:37I'm going to wear a mask to my mom. Also, you're going to have a conversation in the hallway and site statistics about the effectiveness of masks. Right. What are we going to do here? I'm not persuading you. It's just like, yeah, let's distance to stay over there. It's just such a weird thing that people bought into. Is there any compelling data that masks have an effect? They had a couple of studies that seemed to indicate it, but then when they kind of broke it down, it's like, oh no, they really manipulated these studies. and they left out all of these other areas that kind of showed that it didn't work.

58:09I don't remember right off hand, but there were major studies that indicated that the mass compliance rate and the spread of COVID had no correlation to each other. It really didn't matter. The outdoor cloth mask thing is just insane. You don't transmit COVID outside unless you're right on top of each other. And also, and I know it was, who was it? Oh, damn, blinking on the, I'll remember in a second, but there was the major study that came out that also showed that there was no correlation in the lockdown, in areas that lockdown versus areas that didn't lock down. Just did nothing. It had almost no effect whatsoever on the virus.

58:51Cause it's like, it's an upper respiratory virus. It spreads, you know? You kind of can't really stop that from happening. and the best thing to fight against it has always been, this has now been proven empirically, but would have been easy for anyone to figure out before is natural immunity. That's the best protection you have, is if you can get COVID and get over it. And they were trying to say that natural immunity was a myth, which is so wild. Yeah, so wild. And it's clearly stronger than any immunity you get from the vaccine. The only debate is over how much stronger it is. And I've seen something, there was like one Israeli study that showed that it was 75 times more stronger than the vaccine.

59:31And then there was one that showed it was like 35 times, but whatever the number is, it's clearly much better for you. And you just get to a point where like, what was it, it was like a 1 % death rate, I think, on the original, the original strand of COVID. And that 1 % is obviously largely driven by old sick people. That's where most of the death is coming from. And what they do with nursing homes. Well, yeah, and then they forced they forced go to positive people in there Yeah, they forced those people to stay in nursing homes and when they had COVID in nursing homes it spread like wildfire and all these people that were on death's door already Wand up dying yeah, dude, and it's like it's crazy because it's only a few years later But this is how this stuff happens, you know, even like we were just talking about how like oh that old thing that we used to admit You're not allowed to admit that anymore Yeah, but it's almost like you give a pass for all of these things like do you remember that like oh?

1:00:26Yeah, they just made like they made a Cuomo the hero governor and every day he's on TV And what did he want a fucking Emmy or whatever for it? For you're saying they were Cuomo sexual. Yes, and they just try. Oh, he's so presidential Donald Trump is leading he's leading then two seconds later. He's out but they let his brother interview him every day on CNN. Like that they wouldn't even pretend there's a journalistic integrity issue with having the brother of the governor sit down and just congratulate him every night. While we're in the middle of the biggest crisis, that's what you do to like hold power accountable.

1:01:06You let him sit down with his brother every day. I can't believe even as corrupt as I know, like all the corporate press like institutions are. I can't believe there wasn't someone there who goes this is too much of the appearance of yeah like we're not even Pretending let's have someone else interview them every let Don Lemon do the Andrew Cuomo stuff, you know, right. I think they thought it was cute that they would talk shit to each other Yeah, like that was the fun thing that was like paling around with my brother. Yeah, I'm sure it was great for ratings They thought it was gonna be the president man and then for whatever reason they turned on them.

1:01:44Yeah and it's wild watching the the democrat establishment turn on that guy because in the beginning of the pandemic he was what do you think it was do you think it was the nursing home statistics no what what what is it that like where he became a liability because there's he there was a lot of people that were saying like that guy could be the big guy to challenge Trump it i don't think it was the nursing home thing i don't think it was any of his track record on COVID, because I mean, look, new some as a terrible track record on COVID, but they're not like turning on him over that. I think it's like pissed off some powerful people behind the scenes, some shit like that happened, because it was a concerted effort.

1:02:26He was being propped up like the next guy, and then they were like, we're pulling the floor out from underneath this guy, just like that. That was, it was crazy during COVID, how many of those things happened, where like, you know, they'd go, like with very little time in between, they'd go from being like, okay, like you can't leave your house, you were like demonizing kids who are on the beach. You know, being like, look how reckless these kids are being, they're out on the beach with their friends, you know, MSNBC's like, this guy's not wearing a mask, you know, like demonizing anyone who went outside and then it was like, well, if you're protesting for Black Lives Matter, that's totally cool.

1:03:02You guys can all do it, huge groups, go for it. No problem. And it was like, dude, but yesterday you told me to give up my life and like put everything on, but now if it's for this cause, it's okay. or like the way they were, we were at 5 p .m., everyone was applauding for the nurses, but now if that nurse won't get vaccinated, fire her, you know, like, screw it, you're like, whoa, especially. The hero just became like, nurses that already had COVID and gotten over it. Well, I mean, all so unscientific. Well, all of those nurses had been working throughout the pandemic. So they had surely either gotten COVID or figured out how to protect themselves from getting COVID.

1:03:40You know what I mean? There's just no there was no argument that like they must get the vaccine right There's a nutty -time man Very and it still is it still is I mean this stuff this stuff with Trump you know He's a tomorrow supposed to turn himself in Georgia and I'm not sure exactly I was reading about it Yesterday and it's not exactly clear I guess because the deal hasn't been made But it was something like like a two hundred thousand dollar bond is what they were saying and then It looks like he's gonna have to actually go into the jail. So I think they're gonna book them. I think that means mug shots, which is, I think something that they're going for.

1:04:20I think they like the optics of that a lot. Trump has already agreed to a $200 ,000 bond with certain conditions, including limits on social media posts. That's a really interesting one. Wow, limits on social media posts about the case. But if you violate it, judges may have limited enforcement options. That's interesting. So this is one thing that's much different than any of the other indictments. This is the first time that a judge has said, and you know, they can do this crazy stuff that seems wildly unconstitutional and just a very basic violation of liberty is insane to me. But they can have like these gag orders, you know, like Roger Stone, when he was first charged, was not allowed to speak about it.

1:05:01Like, you can't defend yourself publicly. You can't speak about the case, and they're allowed to do this. They go, well, throw you in jail, if you speak about it. It's kind of like this weird system where once they agree, they kind of have the right to keep you in jail until you're trial legally. And so if they release you, they can say, well, these are the conditions. And it can kind of be anything, you know? But the idea that you could say, well, okay, you can't defend yourself publicly. You know, post on Truth Social or Twitter or whatever about this. Is such a weird thing. If you believe in Liberty at all, it's a weird thing because Liberty is kind of predicated on the presumption of innocence.

1:05:44Like if you don't have the presumption of innocence, then there's no such thing as freedom. I mean, you could say we have freedom, but if I accuse you of something you're guilty, then you don't have any freedom. So, supposedly, we're innocent until proven guilty. So Trump's innocent of these charges, and yet they can still tell you, you're not allowed to post this. You're not allowed to say this, but what's particularly interesting in this case is that it just smells a lot like election interference because from the political standpoint, if this is the biggest national story of a presidential race, and Joe Biden can say whatever he wants about it, or the Democrats can say whatever they want about it, but Trump isn't allowed to defend himself.

1:06:22Like he's not allowed to comment on it at all. That seems like you're rigging the system. It sounds like the conditions are more about it says intimidating witnesses and stuff like that. Yes, that's what they say. They, the judge, and I don't think we know all the details of this, but what the judge says was that you can't, you can't post anything that would be intimidating about this case, but where exactly do they draw those lines? Is, is a question. I wanted to post on social media, reposts on social media. A post made by another individual on social media. Go back to the top of that. But listen, look how it's phrased here.

1:06:59As part of the condition, this Trump will be prohibited from doing anything a judge could interpret as an effort to intimidate co -defendants or witnesses, or otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. You know what it reminds me of is when Mueller finally released that report where he basically they said they had no evidence of any conspiracy with Russia. But then as like a to throw a bone to the establishment to not make them look as bad as it made them look, he said, well, well, here's 10 instances where he could have maybe obstructed justice. Like, he didn't like say he did, but he was like, here's the instances.

1:07:38And one of them was, and I shit you not, you can go read the report. One of the 10 instances was that he kept referring to it as a witch hunt. So like the fact that he kept saying, this is bullshit. I'm not involved in conspiracy with Russia and everybody knows that. That was him potentially obstructing the investigation. So it's like, if I say you murdered somebody and you go, that's absolute bullshit. I didn't murder anybody and you're like, you're right. You didn't, but you just obstructed justice. Like how insane is that? Just go, you're right. We did make that up about the murder thing, but when you said you didn't murder anybody, you know they said firing komi was one of them we see fired the fb i the director of the fb i who was investigating him at the time but then komi said that he told trump he wasn't investigating so now maybe trump figured that out but he had told the president he wasn't investigating them even though he was and uh...

1:08:32trump fired them why did trump specifically fire you know i i so okay so komi is the uh... the fb i director the first time the first time they meet and Komi was the FBI director under Obama, you know, so he was still there. It's not like Trump appointed him. He was already the FBI director. So the first time they meet, Komi presents him with the steel dossier and he goes, you know, just wanted to let you know we have all of this information and all the stuff, the pee, you know, and all that being involved with Russia and all of this. And Trump's response to this, at least according to Bob Woodward, was, he goes, take everything you need, you have access to all my campaign files, everything.

1:09:21If there's any connection to Russia here, I want to know about it as much as you do. So investigate me, which he did not have to do, which right away should have really suggested that there was nothing to this. But I don't know exactly what the details of that meeting were. But to me, what it read like was, you know, like what Jay, Jay, Edgar Hoover, this was the long time, you know, head of the FBI. What he used to do was like, uh, so JFK, uh, you know, wins the presidency, uh, Bobby Kennedy, RFK, Jr's father is the, is the attorney general. He, uh, he comes into a meeting with, uh, with Jay, Edgar Hoover and Jay, Edgar Hoover goes, Hey, listen, just want to keep you up to date on some intelligence.

1:10:03I have these pictures of all of the chicks who your brother's sleeping with. So here you go. Here's just the intelligence just so you know I have all of the information about all the affairs he's having. And don't worry, I have backups. So anyway, so I don't know who you guys are thinking to tap for FBI director, but I'm thinking I do another time. You know what I mean? It's like that kind of deal. It's like a soft blackmail. And it seems like there was something like that with Komi presenting all of it like here. Look what I have. And I think he kind of tried before the steel dossier had been released publicly.

1:10:35Yes And so I think he was kind of like look here. Here's what I have here's you know And like kind of tried to like alpha Donald Trump and I think trying to do that to Donald Trump like his Trump's knee jerk reaction. He's like you know what my catchphrases, right? So like you're fired and like I don't think he told that to him to his face there But I think that was ultimately kind of like what got him to fire him and then that that firing Komi is what set off the whole thing. And you know, like I said earlier, they had been already investigating them knowing this was bullshit from the very beginning since the campaign.

1:11:09And Andrew McCabe, who was the deputy FBI director at the time. So James, so after they fired the FBI director, he said this on a 60 minutes interview. He said that basically they all sat around all the top people at the Justice Department and they considered invoking the 25th Amendment Which is you know getting enough of the cabinet to declare that the president is on fit to serve and Removing him that that's what they wanted to do and he said that they basically Realized they couldn't get enough of the cabinet like they couldn't get enough people to agree to that and so they they settled on Mueller They settled on setting up a special uh...

1:11:54investigator and so that was that's how they got to the whole investigation how much money did they spend on this tens of millions uh... i remember exactly how much but it was it was a bit nice nice chunk but the and the crazy thing about it too is that so muller investigates for over two years through the midterm elections and this is the time when all you heard on the news every single day was trump rush a collusion trump rush a collusion let's bring on this next guest who says that Donald Trump may have been a Russian spy since 1986 and all of these different things, you know, BuzzFeed publishes the Steel dossier.

1:12:30They're all citing it and they're all talking about it. And then I don't know if you remember this at the very end. It's like the last month, BuzzFeed had these two reporters who ran a story that said that that they had been shown proof that uh... donald trump instructed kohen his attorney to lie in before congress this is a clear crime and this is going to lead with indictments of donald trump he's going to be walking away in handcuffs the sitting president of the united states of america's about to be indicted and mullers team put out a statement and they said that is this is not true that is that we have not found that in our investigation So they were willing at that point toward the very end.

1:13:15Yes, this was the Mueller report found that Trump did not direct Michael Cohen to lie, but more importantly than that is that they came, they came out before the report was out and said, hey, listen, everyone's speculating about this, kind of like control expectations because that's not going to happen. We didn't find any evidence of that. Yet, they allowed for two plus years every pundit in the world to speculate about what whether the sitting president of the United States had committed high treason, and he never came out and said, hey guys, that's not where our investigation is pointed at all.

1:13:51Like cool it with that. He let everybody say that through the midterm elections and just through the first two plus years of Trump's administration. Just let that hang over him. Even though clearly he never had any evidence pointing in that direction at all, which is insane. It's like, it was like the biggest story in the history of the United States of America if it was true. But the sitting president is actually a Russian agent. But there's nothing bigger than that ever. But the actual story is almost as big, which is that the intelligence agencies framed the sitting president for treason. And they all got away with it.

1:14:32And this is the world. We're living in right now. This is yeah the real red pill moment. It's the rich man north of Richmond I want total control. Yeah, and that's what I but that's kind of I think on some instinctual level like that's why this shit that song Resonates so much with people now remember you said once I was thought this was like the best way to put it And I believe you were talking about occupy Wall Street Now this was years ago when that was going on and you compared them to white blood cells Yeah, and you go in that white blood cells maybe don't exactly understand what virus this is exactly They don't know the science of it like they it's but they know like corruption rush It's just like this kind of thing on an instinctual level like yeah, and I think there was something to that like with Occupy Wall Street Like yeah, sure if you went down there and you talked to the average kid there and asked him like About economics or something he might give you some ridiculous answer, right?

1:15:24But they knew those big banks being bailed out was corrupted shit, you know And I think there's something about that like people just know they're like this whole system is bullshit Yeah, they're right. Yeah, it's bullshit. Yeah, and it's gonna remain bullshit That's what's crazy until the libertarians take over Join the libertarian party the me see caucus. They're gonna we're gonna get us there But even if they got into power, what are they gonna do about this? vast intelligence community and the influence of special interests? Well, look, it's almost like two separate things. Okay, so it's like what needs to be done, you know, versus how you get it done.

1:16:04Right. And that's the how you get it done part is much more challenging. But it's like, I'd say like, you know, like if you were bit by like a venomous snake and like whatever the like antidote or something is like at the top of a really steep hill, And you're like, okay, well the answer is we have to get that and inject it in you. But then the real problem becomes like, okay, but how the hell do we get up this hell? So like the answer is that all these agencies need to be abolished. The answer is that like you need a drastic reduction in the size and scope of government. You need to like abolish all of these three -letter organizations and just start over.

1:16:43Start over with the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And that would be like that would be about as close to perfect as you could get. However, how what you're dealing with is the most powerful entrenched interests in the history of the world. The American federal government is the biggest gravy train in the history of the world, the biggest organization in the history of the world by every metric. How do you roll that back? That is a much more difficult question. And I think that my guess on this is that like the only plausible way to do this is that you need like a mass populist movement.

1:17:29And it can't be like, we got 45 % of the country who's fed up with this government. It's gotta be like, we got 85 % of the country. And we're all together on all of this. And then you need elites. like you need the elites who will actually like put their power and influence and wealth behind this kind of, you know, type of movement to try to look, I mean, what really has to happen is that, and I think to some degree this is what happened with Elon Musk taking over Twitter, you know, that type of thing where you have a real elite, like a natural elite too. Somebody who wasn't just like picked, didn't just win an election, but like built something insane, You know, I think at least it seems to me, I don't know Elon Musk at all, but it seems to me like he had a real belief that he's like, he's like, we're gonna destroy this country.

1:18:19Like if we don't have kind of some type of free speech platform, we're gonna, we're going to, this is gonna be our demise. And I think you need enough powerful people to realize that like you wanna keep this thing together, man, cause you're doing great. Like this isn't good for you if this whole country falls apart. And we're getting dangerously close to that point. And look, man, when it comes down to it, it's like the reason why America is the most successful country that's ever existed is because it was the freest country. And that's the beautiful thing. Like freedom is not only the most moral system, but it also leads to the most prosperity, it leads to the most harmony.

1:19:02It's what civilized behavior is, right? Like the essence of civilized behavior is essentially the non -aggression principle. The idea that like you respect people and their property and you don't, you know what I mean? Like you're not allowed to just be a violent animal. You have to be non -violent and try to persuade people and trade with them. That's how civilization is built. And America was the best at that. You know, we were the best at that. Restraining government having free markets and the individual liberty. And we need to move back toward that or we're going to die. But the problem with that is that you're trying to move back toward that against people that have this desire for self -preservation and they have their own jobs and they have their position of power that they don't want to relinquish because what would they do now?

1:19:54What do they do now? You take everyone that's in all these intelligences, it's like you're no longer needed. But what about the people that are needed and what about the tasks that they do that are important. What about the legitimate eyes on terrorism? What about the legitimate, you know, intelligence they're gathering about real dangers to the United States? What do you do about that? Well, for the first part of it, I, you know, and like I don't have all the answers to this, but I know that like when the, when the Soviet Union fell, there were people, I think to this day, but there were like people like communist like government officials who are like still collecting pensions, they just kind of like paid them off.

1:20:34Almost like, listen, your services here are no longer needed. But that's like, don't revolt or anything. We're not going to kill you. We're not putting you on trial, but you're done. Take this money and go. I would be open to something like that. For some people, I do think others should be criminally prosecuted. But I think that there certainly is a role for intelligence gathering. There certainly has to be a role for national defense. Now, I think in an ideal world, it would all be kind of like a voluntary private type system. But in practical terms, I think that look like we, it's not as if before the CIA was created.

1:21:16That was just like the president was just like, we have no intelligence, we're just flying completely blind. You know? And like what it was created to be was essentially like a newspaper for the president. like you're supposed to basically deliver. Here's the news the president needs to know, like the real important news. And what it's become is like a paramilitary organization that starts wars and colored revolutions all around the world, lies the American people into conflict, spies on our political leaders and presidential campaigns and all of this stuff. And you're like, yeah, this just became something it wasn't ever supposed to be.

1:21:53It was never supposed to be this thing. Now, and now you're really the guys who are in control. And I think since Kennedy, that's kind of been true. That's really who's running the show here. And you can't go on with that. You know what I mean? That has to just be scrapped. Now, by the way, if anyone from the CIA is listening, I'm no threat to ever actually do this. So we're totally cool. Totally cool. But there's certain people in the CIA that agree with you. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if there's people that are very uncomfortable with the way things go. People that are real patriots that got into that job because they genuinely want to protect American interests and American people.

1:22:34I'm sure there are. There are always lots of people like that, almost in any organization. But it is absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Yeah, it's just this principle that's always existed. Well, this is, and this is the essence of why, you know, Washington DC being so powerful is such a problem. It's like when you have this like kind of concentrated power in DC It's power corrupts an absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's the old Lord Atkins thing which really does apply and this is essentially why I'm a libertarian and not a leftist There's that it's um I don't even on some pure levels I think I have some of the same kind of like I was a left -leaning kid before I got obsessed with Ron Paul and all this stuff But like I care about helping poor people and I don't think you should be a big hit.

1:23:20You know what I mean? Like I have like those kind of leftist impulses, but it's just like I feel like most of like progressives and leftists, they want to have a very powerful government that does those things. And my realization is that you can never have this very powerful government without all the corruption that comes along with it. Like you kind of essentially want power to not corrupt, but it's going to. It's just inevitable and you know when you have I mean I don't know even the exact numbers right now I think during COVID I think we topped off at seven trillion dollars in total federal spending You have an organization that spends seven trillion dollars It's like that is so much power Yeah, that of course everybody's gonna be fighting for who gets to wield that power Yeah, and there's kind of it's like the Lord of the Rings thing like the only answer here is kind of like to throw it away You know, it's not that the good guy gets it.

1:24:17That's not the answer And I think that's kind of the essence of leftism Well, it let if the good guy could get it and then we use that power to just give everybody health care and stuff You know, you're like hmm. Yeah, it's a nice idea But let me put that ring on you and I'm not claiming I could wear that ring either. I'd become evil too You know, that's even like the most the nicest, you know like well -meaning democratic socialist type people who some of my like personally, you know, like I like Ben Burgess. I think he's a good dude. Um, I wouldn't trust him with that much power. You know what I mean?

1:24:46Like I don't, there's not one of them who I think would actually be able to wield it. Not only that, like you're gonna have people in your ear and you're gonna have people that support your campaign and there's gonna have people that you have, you have, you've, you've aligned with and you've made certain deals with. And it's like, look, and there's evil people out there in the world. Yeah. And There's legitimately people out there in the world that will make decisions that will make them money and get people killed and they sleep like a baby. Yeah. That's hard for people to accept if you don't do that.

1:25:20If that's not your life, it's hard for people to accept, but that's true. Yeah, there are predators amongst us. And when you're not a predator, it is, we all do this thing where we project ourselves onto others. And I think that's the essence of how you have empathy. You know, like you put yourself in their shoes and think like, oh, well, I wouldn't that happen to me, so I won't do that to someone else. But the flaw in that is that, yeah, it's very hard for many of us to actually put ourselves in the position of some, you know, like to think that, like, oh, there's someone else who's kind of like me in some ways, but will also like kill children and not lose a wink of sleep over, you know?

1:25:58And somehow another feel like it's okay to do. Yeah, which is very bizarre, like, very bizarre. Very bizarre that that's a human characteristic, especially if you're not physically experiencing the death and destruction. You're doing everything's remote. And even though you know there's like a tally and you know that there's... Did you ever, did I ever mention? I probably have one of the times I've been on, but that Madeline Albright quote, when she was interviewed on 60 minutes, and there was this UN report, this is during the Clinton years, and there was a UN report that said that the, because at the time, like the first Persian Gulf War was over, but Bill Clinton had this massive sanction regime against Iraq and they had a total blockade around the country and massive bombing campaigns.

1:26:43And this is one of the things, Osama bin Laden cited in his Declaration of War against the U .S. one of his list of grievances. And so the UN report said that they believe 500 ,000, oh yeah, it's pretty short, you could just play it. And Hiroshima. Well, I'll bring it back a little because I missed her question. We have heard that a half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it? I think this is a very hard choice, that the price we think the price is worth it. It's just like a crazy thing to just say like she goes 500 ,000 kids have died.

1:27:32It's the price worth it and go yeah we think so. But I mean she did preface it by tough tough choice. But yeah, yeah we do. And this was always kind of like my thing and this is what Ron Paul, there's like what I first got introduced to Ron Paul, it was that moment with Giuliani in 2007 when they were having that debate. and his basic argument was just like, look, if we're at war with these terrorists, then we need at least understand what's going on here. And like put yourself in their shoes, you know? How would you feel? And like, imagine someone was talking like this about your kids, you know what I mean?

1:28:06Like, we've decided that price is worth it. I think my response to that might be like, well, I've decided this price is worth it now, you know? Like, and again, it's just like, like the thing with Vladimir Putin, it's just like, it doesn't mean like, obviously, that doesn't mean 9 -11 was okay. You know what I mean? That doesn't mean like terrorism is okay. It's okay that they killed innocent people. It's just like if you wanna understand what's going on here, you have to be able like put yourself in the perspective, ask yourself the question, how would we feel if this was done to us? That's kind of, that was my central point with all of the stuff with the war in Ukraine.

1:28:43So just go like, okay, you know, you're saying Vladimir Putin wasn't provoked, but like what if you know what if the Warsaw pack never dissolved the USSR was still going and then they moved their military alliance all the way up through Britain and then into Canada you know and then they went over and you know backed a violent coup who overthrew the pro -US government in Canada and put in a pro -Russian government and then we're talking about you know expanding the military alliance more and they started putting weapons in Canada You know what I mean? You'd be like, what would we think about that?

1:29:18Right. We'd probably be like, whoa, this is an active aggression. Yeah. This is at least a provocation. You know, it's like that always, I was always very attracted to Ron Paul's message because of that. Because it's like, this just seems like a very basic thing to understand. If you're going to understand what's going on. That it's not all, you can't only look at things from the perspective of your country. And to like look at things from the perspective of people outside. Well, that's the real problem with getting your news from television. because these are very nuanced subjects that require a lot of information to really get a full picture of what exactly caused this conflict to jump off in the first place.

1:29:58And most people aren't getting that. It's just it's a failure of mainstream news. But what's cool is like, you know, we are living in this kind of through this revolution of all of that stuff where I genuinely don't know how much longer the corporate press will even be around if it keeps going in this direction. I mean, it is really wild. And it's been very interesting to see both RFK, Jr., and Vivek Ramaswami, like on podcasts, all over the place. I've had both of them on my podcast. You had RFK on here, like blew up the internet. It's just interesting that now they're kind of recognizing, oh well, there's this whole other way that people are getting information.

1:30:39and I just, I don't know how anyone could argue that just objectively, it's so much, if the goal is to like tell people your ideas and to educate people about what's going on, it's so much better to have like hours long discussion than to go do a seven minute segment on CNN. It's kind of ridiculous to ever think you could talk about any like complex idea that way. And there's lots of shows like this. You know, I was watching the other day I watched Crystal and Sagar. What's the show? It's Breaking Points now, right? Yeah, was that the old one? No, it was a new one's breaking points. That watch they had a Chris Matthews on It did see it.

1:31:23Yeah, let me take a P break and we'll come back and talk about that because it was pretty wild And we're back So Chris Matthews Right on breaking points. That's right. That's wild to watch. It was a First off, I mean, I don't know. He seemed like he was drunk. He seemed to be tired. Maybe tired? I don't know, but he's also, you know, he's got that old Irish thing about him. I don't know. But it was pretty interesting to watch kind of the back and forth and how defensive he got at points where Crystal was kind of asking questions that, many of which I thought were very fair questions. I mean, I thought part of what she was saying was insane where she was bragging about how great the government during COVID and all that stuff, and I completely disagree with her on that.

1:32:08But she was asking very fair questions. And the one that was the most interesting to me was to get a guy like Chris Matthews, who was really one of the staples of cable news, throughout this whole kind of, you know, the last, whatever, 15, 20 years, maybe even more than that. And to ask him, like, look, you clearly are like a big critic of the populist movements that have arose. Like, it was a big critic of Bernie Sanders, a big critic of Donald Trump. You know, there's like, but do you see any failures on your part that led to this? Like, do you get why people are so upset with the establishment Democrats and Republicans?

1:32:52And he seemed to have like no answer to it. And that's just, it's one of those things where like, I think so many people in that game in the corporate press world. It's like, you know, whatever they'd be criticizing you or someone like that. And you're like, but do you guys ever just sit and ask yourselves, well, why is it that the people abandoned you and went over to this other, you know, in this completely other direction? Wouldn't you at some point, I remember Tucker Carlson said this once. I think it was in his book, Ship of Fools, but he was like, Like if your wife leaves you for like a guy, you know what I mean?

1:33:29Like your wife leaves you for some guy like at first. Yeah, you're like, oh screw her, you know, or whatever. But like at some point, you might like reflect on that and go like, well what happened there? Like what did I do that, you know, like she wanted to leave? Like you know what I mean? And like there seems like there's none of that with them. And it's fairly easy to figure out, which is like what we've been talking about. And it was screwing over regular people. Well, if you're someone whose business is mainstream news right now, especially like cable news, you've got to be concerned with the limitations of your platform because one of the things with people having access to instantaneous video now, whether it's YouTube or Rumble or whatever it is, is like you can instantly get things on your phone and there's no need to be sitting through all these commercials.

1:34:23There's no need to be tuning in in a specific time. There's no need to have something like, unless you have Tivo or whatever it is, a DVR, you can't pause it and rewind it. You can't stop it to go take a piss. Like, what? Why do it that way? There's just a superior way. Well, world, you guys living it. You're living in a bizzara world where you're using 1990's ideology, and it comes to like how you broadcast things. And you're interrupting things every five minutes. So it's impossible to have an in -depth discussion where people aren't under tremendous pressure. And also you're having a lot of these discussions.

1:35:05You're not even there with them physically. You're in remote locations and there's several people talking over each other. And everyone's just trying to get a big sound bite. And then you cut to commercial. And like what did you do? And you're just not in that environment, everything's very shallow. Yeah. And very kind of like on the surface. And so, you know, it's like, well, what led to the rise of Donald Trump as a political figure? And it's like, racism and Russia or whatever. And you're like, yeah, but that's not, come on, man. Like, that's not really getting at what happened here. Like, why is it that this guy's anti -establishment message was so popular?

1:35:41It resonated so much with tens of millions of Americans. And then I think you can, if you just look at just the 21st century alone and you look at kind of like the elites that are in charge of society. Every society is going to have elites. That's just the way things work. You may not like that, but that's just the way things work. Every sector has elites, everything. That's how human beings are. But what have the elites like given the American people in the 21st century? It's like, okay, well we got like, we got 9 -11, we got two 20 -year catastrophe wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We got that all culminated in the worst financial crisis in 100 years in 2008, you know, in response to that.

1:36:31So the Federal Reserve, another organization that should be abolished, but they do a good job of keeping data. So according to the Federal Reserve, it was like between 2007 and 2010, the average American lost 40 % of their net worth, like 40 % of their net worth evaporated. And if you can just like imagine, imagine what it's like if you're like, you got, you know, like you got two kids and you're making like 70 grand a year, something like that. kind of like the average person. You lose 40 % of your net worth. You're like, I mean, it's terrifying, you know what I mean? And so, and then the response to that from Barack Obama when he got in was what they called the Obama recovery.

1:37:21But the Obama recovery was basically created by lowering interest rates to zero and jacking up government spending to the highest levels that it had ever been. And so they have a recovery on paper. But who really benefits from an environment where you have crazy high government spending and zero percent interest rates are, well, the zero percent interest rates benefit the Wall Street speculators because now everyone's got to speculate in order to make any money on their money. You can't just save your money because you're making nothing so you have to kind of gamble it in the Wall Street casino.

1:37:55So Wall Street gets filthy rich off this. And then the high government spending, it's like everyone connected to DC, made a ton of money. So it was great for them. But for the Rust Belt, it wasn't great. That's why so many of those same areas that voted for Obama went for Trump. So he was talking about bringing their jobs back. And like, you know what I mean? And it's like, you put yourself in the perspective of these people who like, I don't know, like his son died in a rack. You know what I mean? Or maybe one of his kids came back a mess from this war that they now admit that we never should have fought to begin with.

1:38:27It was all bullshit, you know what I mean? You're, you lost your job in OA and now you have some crap your job than you've ever had before. You know what I mean? Maybe you got another kid who's like addicted to opioids or something like that because there's a whole epidemic of that going on. And like then this guy came in and told you, he cares about you. He's gonna win for you. It's big billionaire motherfucker. So now I'm gonna win, bring your jobs back. It's not such a mystery why they went for that guy and why they rejected the entire corporate media who had been basically lying to them for, you know, for the last 20 years.

1:39:02And then like there was never, there was almost like crystal was like asking Chris Matthews, do you have a moment, can you think about this at all? Yeah. And he was just completely like shut off to even like entertaining. What failures of the establishment might have led to this new populist moment that we live in today? Well they have like a big moment where she was talking about taxing the rich. Yeah, I think she was wrong about all that stuff. Yeah, she was talking about how, you know, we, during the pandemic, certain acts were passed that essentially eliminated childhood famine, right? Yeah, she was making some credit about, she was making some point about the child tax credit or something like that.

1:39:48The problem with all that, and I think, I think Crystal Ball and a lot of the left wingers are just out to lunch on this stuff. Is that like, listen, during COVID, 2020 and 2021, we're like the absolute worst years for regular Americans. It's not like the government did something that really made everything wonderful. It was terrible. And in the midst of that, what the government really did in its response was give crumbs to people while giving trillions to big corporations and big banks. So objectively, that's what happened. The trillions and trillions of dollars that they spent that year. The vast majority of it went to big business.

1:40:28So this idea that like, and of course, you know, she can talk about the spending and how like, okay, you can say the spending, well, it helped for the people who got the money. And it's like, yes. And then they had to feel the inflation from all of that. But the childhood tax credit, right? What was the benefit of that? there is some tangible benefit of that. Oh, I 100 % agree. Listen, to any extent that you're giving out tax credits, I'm all for that. So yeah, people with kids have less money to pay in taxes. I think that's great. I think the COVID response of anything should have been to, I'd say abolish the income tax.

1:41:09There you go. If people can't work. Well, listen, I mean, that doesn't solve the problem that people can't work, but for working people that would give them enormous relief. And then, of course, all these other things is like, it's a result of the lockdowns that now you've kicked all of these people out of work. So now the argument is like, well, we have to give them something. But the real answer there is that we never needed to do the lockdowns to begin with. The real problem is that it really reinforces the tinfoil hat brigade because then you say they're trying to weaken America and they're doing this on purpose.

1:41:38The lockdowns are on purpose. The reason why they're doing this is not political. It's not for for optics is they're trying to destroy the country by destroying the middle class I'm destroying small businesses destroying restaurants and then you just like Yeah, but maybe I mean I don't blame I Blame them for making it look like that's what they're trying to do right It's like you're making it seem like this is a big conspiracy. Yeah, so maybe stop doing that and then like it won't There won't be so much attraction for conspiracy theorists, which I will admit sometimes get pretty nutty. And you're like, yeah, I don't think you can really prove any of that.

1:42:17But you I understand why when the government is so corrupt and they lie so much and they screw over average Americans so much, it leads to an environment where conspiracy is spread. Yeah. And people say, and then the other thing is that there are like a lot of really legitimate conspiracies that really are conspiracies. Yeah. Now, you know, I mean, it's pretty clear that there was, I mean, we have the emails, like we know, like Fauci conspired to kill the lab leak story. Like they conspired to kill the Hunter Biden story. And these are conspiracies. And so, you know, again, it's like my analogy of like, it's like if I heard Sam Harris said recently on a podcast that he said something, he goes, and he was being critical of you and RFK, I think and Brett Weinstein and he said like he goes well these guys are over here talking about how bad the mRNA Vaccines have bad COVID restrictions are but I'm trying to sail where I understand that like we're losing trust in these institutions But we also need institutions that we can trust and My thing is almost it's like the analogy of the if you're cheating on your wife and your wife catches you cheating on her and And then you go, you know, your response is like, you know, the real problem here is that there's not trust in this marriage.

1:43:39And we need a marriage with trust. And it's like, yeah, yeah. No, the real problem is that you cheat it. Like the problem is that you lied. That's why there's no trust. Like it's not, like I'm fine with the theoretical argument that like we need institutions, we can trust. Like, yeah, that'd be great. That'd be great if during a pandemic, there were a bunch of medical experts who could get us accurate information, be honest and spread that information around. And so, sure. But the problem isn't that we just don't trust them. The problem is that they're lying, and we caught them, red handed, and then that led to a bunch of people going like, well, how long have they been lying?

1:44:14You know, they're lying about this, when were they honest? And then the more you look into it, you're like, oh, shit, they were always lying. They've been lying for a really long time. And so to turn around and then blame that on, you know, the problem here is just that we don't have trust. Like, no, that's actually a solution. That's the step in the right direction if you don't trust these motherfuggers. COVID cracked a lot of people. Yeah sure did. It's really dead. It exposed people that are just very unfortunate. Trump did a lot too and then COVID really took it to the next level. But it's interesting you learn a lot about who people really are, how things really work.

1:44:53You know how much it's like a like a stress test Yes, you know, I have a bit about this in my new special by the way, which was just released yesterday on YouTube Go check it out. Please. Yeah But it's like it's like COVID was like a stress test, you know like you throw a crisis at something and you see But like you see how strong it really is. What's the constitution here? Yeah, and it exposed a lot Yeah, we had some weaknesses Yeah Exposing a lot in people that they don't want to admit it exposed them because they keep digging themselves Deeper and deeper into these holes trying to find ways that they were right Yeah, and you see a lot of that online you see a lot of that on Twitter Well, it's like many people that are just trying to reinforce with their previous statements regardless of whether or not They're easily disproven now at this point.

1:45:40Yeah, and they're and and the crazy thing is when you encounter people Who are still hanging on to the arguments that the regime itself has already abandoned? You know what I mean? Like they're not even making that argument anymore. Like Fauci's not even saying this and then people will say these things. You know, I see people still get it. It's only a pandemic of the unvaccinated. You know? I feel like just regular people like online, like Fauci ain't saying that anymore. Even he knows like we're a band of that talking point. But then people, you hear it enough and they believe it. And that's one of the things with all this stuff.

1:46:14It's part of how propaganda works. I guess like the big lie type deal that if you just repeat something often enough it does stick with a lot of people Oh, there's a there's a certain percentage who it's just like yeah, but I heard that a lot So there must be something to it and it's a disturbing amount of smart people Smart people that are just unwilling to go outside the boundaries of the ideology There's a thing that you're supposed to say and they say it so you don't get attacked and it just like everybody's like Yeah, thanks for saying that. Yes, and then there's also a weird reaction. It's like people get into binary thinking.

1:46:49A lot, they want to put everything into a neat box. Like I remember, I tweeted something about the Sam Harris like when he had that clip. And it's just the amount of response that I get, but people who are agreeing with me, but they go, they'll say things like, they're like, this guy is such an idiot. And you're like, no, no, no, no, he's not. That's kind of the whole interesting thing here. It's like no, he's not dumb. Like he's a really brilliant neuroscientist or whatever a neurologist, whatever he is. Like he ain't dumb, you know what I mean? And like that's kind of more fascinating actually.

1:47:24It is that fast. You know, like wrong and stupid are not synonymous. Like there's two very different things and it's interesting, Michael Malis has that line where he goes, it's much easier to train a smart dog. And so like the idea is almost like, Sometimes even being very intelligent makes you more susceptible to propaganda. Like it's easier to kind of like train the intelligent. I think the real problem is ego. The people don't ever want to admit they were wrong. That's a big part. We were talking about this last night about the importance of not being married to your ideas. Your ideas are not you.

1:48:01They're just ideas and that you have to recognize when you're holding on to ideas because as you have made this connection, that you have said this thing, and this thing is a part of you, and if you say that this thing is incorrect, then you failed, and you're wrong, and you're not as good as you, so you try to find a way where you were good, and you try to find a way where you can kind of manipulate language, and maybe even, maybe even fucking change the information. Like let's imagine if the information was different. Let's imagine if 10 % of the people died, yeah, but they didn't. Yeah, like if your argument is reduced to like, okay, you made this point and you were right and I made this point and I was wrong.

1:48:49But imagine a situation where your point was wrong. Right. And my point was right. How about now? Yeah, let's not imagine that. Let's just go what actually happened and you should be apologizing. Yeah. It's like we could play your imagination game in a few minutes, but first let's just talk about like what really happened And who was right and who was wrong and how are you discounting this 40 % increase in all -cause mortality or whatever the fuck it is What is it now? You know it depends upon the statistics that you read but what is it's like they're getting that from insurance companies Right where they're they're trying to make an assessment of like what's going on and there's a lot of people that are very nervous about this Because what is the increase in all -cause mortality right now?

1:49:36I think it's like, you know, 18 -59 or whatever the fuck it is. There's some very bizarre increase. And I've heard Neil deGrasse Tyson trying to say, well, a lot of people are drinking during the pandemic. Like, really? Was there another thing that happened to? Right. That maybe really great. Do you imagine if so many people started drinking, there was a 40 % increase in all -cause mortality? Wouldn't there be like shows about alcoholism? Like ladies and gentlemen, like look at what's happening to our country. It's a 40 % imagine there was no pandemic, there was no vaccinations. Imagine all of a sudden a 40 % increase in all -cause mortality.

1:50:15And then you just kind of casually say, well, I guess a lot more people are drinking now. And you're just not, and you're telling me, and look, I'm not even like ruling out the fact that, okay, I think alcohol consumption maybe went up during the lockdowns. That should be a contributing factor to this. But you're telling me the starting point has to be we rule out this brand new like medical intervention Like we can't look at that right you're telling me that's the starting point is that can't be part of the conversation You're trying to ignore this thing Imagine if these were just variables in an equation that you were tasked with solving right why would you ignore this very Significant variation yeah, and and then the truth is like whatever Whatever the rate of vaccine injury is, whatever that number is, and maybe it's not that high, it's something, okay?

1:51:08It is clearly something, right? There are all drugs. Clearly, there have been a large number of people who have been injured by the vaccine. And then when you look at that and you go, look and you guys, your position, the entire establishment position was everyone should get it. Everyone should get it. when there were clearly cases where you really don't have an argument, you know, like a healthy young person who's already had COVID. There's just no argument that they should take on whatever that risk is for something that won't even prevent them from getting COVID. Again, right? There's no argument for that, but you enforce that on them.

1:51:41You know, you enforce, like I know this kid is like in grad school and he got double vaccinated because they were going to kick him out of school if he didn't, and then he got COVID, and then a month later, were they insisted he'd get a booster? Like there's no, there is no expert on the planet who can give me a compelling scientific answer, you know, reason why that made any sense at all. Why you were doing anything other than to this 26 year old kid making him take on serious risk. Nothing better. And you insisted on this. So now like, it's just crazy that you can't even acknowledge that. Like yeah, we did give people, in many cases, very bad medical advice that had the potential to lead to them being injured.

1:52:27Yeah, and in many cases did. Yeah, and no accountability. And even, I mean, it was one of the craziest moments of the entire pandemic was when you had a Gupta, Dr. Gupta from CNN on here, and then he goes, so you're gonna get vaccinated and you went, no, just head COVID. Why would I get it? And he really had no answer. And this was during the vaccine passport time when they were trying to force everyone to get it. And yet here was the CNN doctor and had no response. Other to you, they're like, you know, yeah, you got pretty good immune and maybe you get some more with the vaccine. You know? Well, not only that, it was just like, he had to admit that the immunity that was imparted by overcoming an infection is better.

1:53:08So you didn't get COVID, I got COVID, I recovered, I'm in a better position than you now. And you're telling me to do what you did? Right. Why? And that the policy of the vaccine passports is that he can enter a restaurant that you're not allowed to enter out. When we all agree that you're in a better position than him. Right. How does that make any sense? Because I didn't comply and I'm a bad boy. That's what it is. That's basically it. That's literally what it is. Like you should be a good guy and join our team. Yep. You know, and I had smart people that I respect. Tell me I should get vaccinated after I got over COVID.

1:53:43I'm like, are you not paying attention to any of this? Like, why are you giving me that first of all? Imagine if someone got something and they got sick and they got over it and then saying, you can't do it that way. You should do it another way and you have to do it our way. And you got over it very quickly. Very quickly. It's not like you were like hospitalized or something like that. Dude, I did 10 rounds on the bag, six days after I was infected. 10 rounds. Just to see what it felt like. felt great. It felt like zero impact. I felt like shit for a day. And it's so, I mean, I know like we've, I think we mentioned this before when I was on, but like it was one of the episodes that I was on, which back in the height of it, I don't know like three times ago that I was out here, what was the one that went to Fauci responded to, you know?

1:54:32And the thing that they found appalling was that your advice to young people was to be really healthy. Yeah. You were like, listen, get yourself in really good shape. Like exercise a lot, eat well, get a lot of sunlight if you can, if you can't take vitamin D, you know what I mean? But all this stuff. There were upset that I was saying, if you're a young person, you're like 21 years old or whatever, don't do it. I don't think you need to do it. No, your advice was, yeah. I wouldn't advise you to get the vaccine. I'd tell you just be really healthy. But that was at the time. And then we actually knew the statistics of how it affected young people.

1:55:05And at the same time, Fauci was going door to door, and what he was telling people was, you gotta take this vaccine, and when they'd give him push back and say, yeah, but I heard you can still get COVID, even after you take the vaccine, and he'd say, in the unlikely event that you get it, it's gonna be so mild you won't even know you were sick. Just lying to them. And that's not like, oh, he got it wrong. There was no scientific evidence to like argue that. They never even tested it on transmission. when you go over the trials that they did, when they first were investigating the efficacy of this drug, one of the people in the COVID group that got the vaccine died of COVID.

1:55:48So they knew that. Two people in the placebo group died of COVID. That's 100%. That's how they came up with the fact that it sounds so crazy and I didn't believe it when RFK Jr. were saying it. I didn't believe that that was accurate, but then he actually sent me the real paperwork and you read it and you go, wow, that's really what it was. There was two people that died in the placebo group, one person died in the vaccinated group, and two is a hundred percent more than one. So that's how it's a hundred percent effective in stopping deaf. And so, um, so this guy, uh, Tom Woods, I don't know if you've ever heard of Tom Woods before, he's a brilliant historian.

1:56:30and he does a podcast called The Tom Woods Show. Great guy, good friend of mine. And he was like one of the loudest anti -lockdown voices back when the lockdown started. And like, did a great job of like putting together all the data and all the arguments on how this isn't actually working and it's like an insane policy. And then was solid on the vaccine and all that all the way throughout. He told this story, it was in like his newsletter that he writes which was very interesting to me. Kind of like demonstrated the whole, like where trust in institutions is. So he was at, I don't know, I think he's in his 50s.

1:57:04So he was at a doctor's appointment, he said, and his doctor was like, oh, you know, because you're age or whatever, you can get the shingles vaccine now. So I'd recommend you get it. It's 87 % effective against shingles. And he was basically saying, any time before the last three years, I would have just gone, okay. You know, I trust, I trust my doctor. It's okay, sure. I don't want to get shingles, so I better take this vaccine. But now he goes, I'm forced to go, well, how did you come up with this number? Is it like the ridiculous way you came up with the COVID vaccine number? So like, no, I'm not gonna take that because now I have to go and actually look into this and that's kind of, I think where a lot of people are.

1:57:43Like that's where I am. That I would have always assumed that, like I don't know if my doctor's telling me this, he's done his research, he wouldn't just be telling me this without having looked into it. He knows better than me about this field. So I'll say, now I never trusted the CDC, see or you know what I mean like I always knew government entities were correct but I figured my local doctor would kind of like not just recommend something to me and that was a big thing that cobit exposed that oh even that guy well and I got an arguments with my kids pediatrician over this where I had clearly done more research than he had like I knew shit that he didn't know and he's recommending this to my kids you know which was insane but But that's where a lot of people are at now.

1:58:26Well, they're financially incentivized. And that's where it got spooky. They financially incentivized people to mark deaths as COVID deaths. They financially incentivized initially people getting them put on ventilators. There was a lot of financial incentives that went into this. And I also wasn't aware, you know, embarrassingly so, that most hospitals are just private businesses. I never thought of it that way. I thought of a hospital has got to be like something that's set up entirely to make people better and that's all they care about There's not they're not trying to make money You know and it's not and it's even worse than just like private businesses because their private businesses in this heavily Corrupted regulated field you know, so even like down to like certification of need legislation where they're half to you kind of have to get approved by other hospitals in order to open a hospital So they like kind of keep their competition out and then they try to like make as much money as they can So yeah, it's like it's all very corrupt and very weird and these crazy like you know how they it is with like these Creators.

1:59:33Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like mafia shit almost like yeah You think you're opening up a hospital here boy. I don't think so. It's a good it's so there's all this shit that just makes the whole thing Very corrupt and of course the whole insurance system is very corrupt where it's this like very phony market of prices where like you're never seeing anything and these prices are marked up super high so like the doctors in the hospitals can make money and the insurance companies get reimbursement but they charge you it in your premiums so you're totally removed from what the costs of things actually are very very corrupt field and it's it's it's insane because it's like yeah you're like dude this is you're helping sick people isn't this like why you went into The medicine is like to help people.

2:00:19It all gets corrupted by money. Yeah, and power, money and power. You know, but the money thing is so spooky. Financial incentives to get people to take medication that they might not really need and probably shouldn't take. And you know, goddamn, I mean, if nothing else, I really think it's great that RFK is at least like getting a conversation started on a lot of this stuff because it seems like almost nobody else was gonna bring up this stuff. You know, I, I, one of the things that I thought was really interesting about the, um, the, um, the, when you had him on the podcast and that created like a huge, you know, like storm, and then there was the thing with, uh, the Hotez guy refusing to, to come on and debate him when you offered it.

2:01:01I think the pot was up to like $2 million or something like that. Um, and it's like, it's funny how these guys from like the medical establishment who have been wrong about just about everything throughout this pandemic. I mean, there were, I don't know if you saw any of the compilation videos that were made of that hotel guy going around just like at every phase getting everything wrong throughout this But then still has the nerve to be like this guy spreading misinformation and it's dangerous and all this Refusing to come have a conversation with him, but you're like, okay, so So here's RFK junior and he's going look America has the highest rate of chronic illness in the world, okay?

2:01:38autism spikes through the roof in the last few decades. And his argument to me sounds that this isn't just that we started diagnosing autism. Like because 50 % of autistic kids never develop language, we would have known this. We may not have called it the right thing, but we would have noticed people who don't develop language, you know? And so he's going, so we have the highest rate of chronic illness in the world. We have autism shooting through the charts and he's going, look, here are some potential culprits for that. And so, okay, if you think that's all crazy, like, okay, but what is it?

2:02:12What is going on here? Because in the American political conversation, this never comes up. Nobody's ever bringing this up. I cannot think of a presidential candidate who's ever mentioned once that this is a thing. You know, that never comes up on CNN, that no one wants to talk about it. So, like, at least he's talking about, like, that seems, by the way, I haven't really ever been talking about that. I don't know what the answer to any of it is. I never even know. I never even thought it was a possibility until the pandemic, until I read his book. When I read the real Anthony Fauci, I was like, wait, what did they do?

2:02:49What did they do during the AIDS crisis? Because that's what's important. It's not just about what's happening right now. It's about what they did when they pushed AZT through. It's about what they did when they were injecting these foster kids with these experimental drugs and they died. All that stuff is true. And it's fucking terrifying. And this is why Hotas won't come on. This is why he won't come on with RFK. Yeah. Because he knows that this guy can go chapter in verse. And he's not like, you can kind of push him on defending his claims, but then he gets to push you on all this stuff. And I don't even know if Hotas was directly related to that, but I know he's in bed with that whole establishment like he got funding from, you know what I mean, like all the same groups and stuff.

2:03:34And like it's like okay, so this is this is who you're working with these are the talk talking points that you're Parading yeah, and it's just it's all the guy doesn't take vitamins doesn't exercise each junk food and he take post pictures of him Getting the RSV vaccine. It's like okay, buddy That's the way to do it. He got a RSV vaccine. Yeah Posted a photo on Twitter, but he has it limited now. The only people he follows can respond So it's just like he's got this like little echo chamber. He's got going on as as tweets now Dude the thing me inviting him to have a debate with RFK dude the thing that drove me crazy about that was that then He turned it around and started playing the victim and going you know like Joe Rogues led this this harassment Campaign against me and all these people on Twitter all day are like you know like I'm being demonized by this whole group and you sit there and you go like, yeah, you know, as an unvaccinated person, I have no idea what that's like.

2:04:37I have no idea what it's like for you to like, you know what I'm saying? But not only that, it's bullshit because he said I had neo -fascist leanings. Oh yeah, yeah. He'd been on the podcast twice. And I've fucking chatted with the guy. Like, you know what I'm not a fucking fascist. Like what are you saying? You don't believe that. You're saying something you don't really believe. And you did it without like mentioning me, you know, like with the app mentioned. So somebody had a sentence to me and I was like, this motherfucker, like a neo -fascist leaning. You're telling me that the guy who is pushing forced vaccinations on behalf of giant private pharmaceutical companies is calling you a neo -fascist?

2:05:17Do you have any idea what these terms even mean and who's being the fascist here and who's not? Well, that's why I did it. And even then, I didn't insult him. I'm very careful about that. I don't like to engage in that kind of shit online. I don't think it's healthy for anybody. Even if I have bad feelings towards a person, I don't, I'm not gonna insult them like that. Yeah, and they were easy. There were easy shots to go after with the guy, but it's good you didn't. Well, I didn't insult him when he was on my podcast and he was telling me about his fucking diet. I didn't insult him. It's like, especially when, I mean, the contrast between me and him physically, like someone who really does take care of themselves and then being lectured by someone who doesn't, that the only way around that is vaccines.

2:06:04There's only one way. There's this one solution to this problem, this very complex problem called the human immune system. When 80 % of the people hospitalized for COVID were obese. Something like that. Something like that. Comorbidities, the people that died, were like some large number, like more than 70 % had four plus comorbidities. If I remember correctly, it was like something like 50 % had four comorbidities or more, and then like 95 % had at least one. You know what I mean? It was basically like almost all the COVID deaths were very sick people. Yeah. And so like you would think, yeah, maybe that should at least be part of the conversation.

2:06:45Right. And by the way, for people that like to cherry -pick shit here, no one is saying COVID was nothing. No one. No people say, oh, you're saying the COVID was nothing and the vaccines were bad. Nope. Not saying that. I never said that. What I'm saying is it's really bad for people that are sick already. For sure. People that have weak immune systems, it was really bad. But don't pretend that everyone's the same. Yes. So I would say that COVID, if you were, COVID was a nasty virus, and if you were very older and or very sick, you really did not want to get this thing, especially the early strains of it.

2:07:28You really did not want to get this thing. And I think that there is an argument that early on, if you were very old and very sick and had never had COVID, that maybe it did make sense for you to get the vaccine. I think it did make sense. You know, a lot of people have offered some level protection initially. So there was other but they could have done as well. Sure, but just because it makes sense for that one group, you cannot extrapolate from that now that it makes sense for every group. And the ones that are the most obvious would be like, if you're like a young healthy person who's already had COVID, is in that case, no, it just doesn't make sense for you.

2:08:08Not only that, these same people that are pro -vaccine, anti -doing anything else, where is your outrage about this lab leak? Where is your outrage about the source of this thing? Why you upset at the people that are getting sick or the people that choose not to do some sort of experimental medical intervention and choose to try to survive it just with natural immunity and do so? Yeah. Where is your outrage about the source of this thing? Which is the whole reason it happened in the first place, why people were forced to make these choices, to take this experimental vaccine. The whole thing was about this one virus that got released that clearly seems to have some connection to gain a function research that was funded by Fauci.

2:09:01Yeah, and funded by the NIH. At the very least, the lab was clearly funded by subsidiaries of the NIH. Clearly. But that's just factually true. The lab was funded by subsidiaries of the NIH age and it looks overwhelmingly like that's where it looks like originated it also looks like they tried to cover it up for a very specific reason they clearly tried to cover it up and actually clearly had his guys writing papers about how it couldn't be from the lab that they've all had to kind of retract now because it's like it wasn't actually a scientific argument they just wanted to dead this story i'm that's how she was the guy who signed off on the uh...

2:09:36the exception that obama had basically uh... band gained a function research and that Dr. Fauci himself was the one who signed off on, you know, for the first SARS thing, for this being an emergency use. And so he had to. So a lot of blame falls at his feet and then you go like, oh, this kind of explains in a different way why this guy was so willing to be out there saying, no, this is the only solution. This is the only thing to focus on. This is what we have to do. It's like, oh, yeah, because you actually have a lot of culpability in this whole thing. Yeah. It's creepy. It's just sucks. It sucks to be a fucking human being right now.

2:10:16I haven't a navigate all this shit. Like, what are these people that aren't you or me and not most people? What are the what the fuck are they doing? What the fuck are they doing in every single realm of this conversation? What the fuck are they doing? not one group, not one person is doing something that's, you go, oh, I like that. There's a good step in the right direction. There's the right way to do it. They had to fucking be forced out of the lockdowns. It had to be a situation where they were like realized, look, you can't sustain this forever. We have to go back. Like people kicking and screaming.

2:10:55Well, meanwhile, in some places like Florida and Texas, they never did anything. They stopped. few weeks. Very quickly. Very quickly. A few weeks of, okay, lockdown and okay, what's really going on? Let's look at the actual data. Sweden, who didn't do lockdowns, had the lowest excess mortality at all of Europe. I mean, there's just like, clearly, that didn't work. And yeah, dude, there's just, there's a thing right now, again, I'll mention again, I think this is something that that kind of Richmond, North of Richmond, I think this is why that song caught so much fire, is like that there's, there's a really long way to go.

2:11:30large group. I don't know if we're a majority. I think we are a majority of the country, but a large enough group that you're talking about, like, at least like a hundred milkin, like people in this country who like just don't want to do this. And I mean that in a lot of different ways, like we don't want to keep fighting wars everywhere around the world. Like we're over that. Why are we always looking for another war to fight? Can we have five years with no war? Is that like too much to ask? Like literally, can we just put a few years together where we're not involved in a mass murder campaign somewhere.

2:12:01We don't want to go back to COVID restrictions. We don't want to live that way. We want to raise our kids and do what we do. I mean, enjoy our lives. We don't want to indoctrinate children with this insane gender ideology. You know what I mean? We don't want that. There's a large percentage of us. It's being forced to live in this world. And for the most part, I think it's like most of the people in this group just kind of want their freedom. Like, you know, like I don't care so much what other people like if you want to go live a different way, that's fine. If you guys want to all go do lockdown somewhere fine, they just like don't force us into this.

2:12:46And at least what I think is the positive out of that is that like There are a lot of people who are really serious about it. And I think there was something really positive about the Bud Light boycott thing and the target boycott thing where it's like, there's got to be, we have to have some mechanism by which we can actually like give a black eye to one of these powerful organizations who are trying to force something onto you that you don't want. You know what I mean? And it seems like, oh, that actually maybe kind of worked a little bit. Maybe they will back off with that. You know what I mean?

2:13:20At least in those areas. Well, I think that's what people are trying to do. The elect Trump. Yeah. I think that's what they were trying to do. They were trying to say, like, this is different. I don't like what you guys do. This is different. This guy's outside of it. He knows how it runs. Yeah, maybe he's got his own problems. But at least he's different. He's different than this thing that you're going to keep doing forever and ever and ever. And man does he piss you off. Yeah. And he pisses off the people who you're furious at. Right. And he goes, this is a big, This is a big black eye for you.

2:13:50This is like really like, oh man, the guy who you look so stupid now, because you told everyone he couldn't possibly win. We had this end of the world podcast in 2016 at the comedy store, live podcast during the election. And then afterwards, it was a lot of fun. But afterwards, we're all in the back bar watching Jake Tapper have to sort of like solemnly declare the Donald Trump looks like he's going to be the president of the United States. You know, it's not, it's very clear that they're upset with this, which is interesting because like, the, why isn't the news supposed to be the news? Like, this is, this is winning, this is how he won.

2:14:35Looks like he won Iowa, he won this, he won that. Look, he's the new president. Okay, so now we have the new president is the donald trump let's see what happens it wasn't that it was just like this solemn moment where these people had to eat crow yes i i there there is a lot to that i mean look part of the thing is just that trump was determined it was determined by the powers that they you know whether the corporate media the deep state all of the establishment that he was unacceptable and that's not new to donald trump there were a lot of candidates who have been determined to be unacceptable Ron Paul was was unacceptable Bernie Sanders was unacceptable Tulsi Gabbard was unacceptable and you saw like the machine be weaponized against all of them to keep them out but Trump beat the machine Trump the differences Trump won I mean there's other differences but but the guy who they determined was not acceptable ended up winning and part of what was so powerful about that is that it kind of destroyed the the illusion of inevitability that I think like progressives rely on.

2:15:40That, you know, like progressives will very confidently tell you that you're on the wrong side of history. You know? Which is like a really interesting thing to say, if you think about it, like you're on the wrong side of history. Meaning like, it's a guarantee that history is moving in my direction, and I'm telling you how you will be judged in the future based off how you feel right now. And they kind of have good reason to feel that way because they have been kind of moving in the direction that they want to move it. But it was just like we just had the first black president and now we will have the first female president and of course You know this throwback bigot male show venous Donald Trump could never possibly win like this is what's going to happen in history now Is Hillary Clinton is the next president?

2:16:24How are they not happening? How are they gonna stop him from winning again? I they're trying oh, yeah, that's what all these indictments are right now The problem is it has the opposite effect on his base. It doesn't make people reluctant. It makes people more convinced that there's a conspiracy against him. It makes people more convinced that there's corruption that's fighting against him. I think personally that Trump was at his most vulnerable within the Republican primary at the very beginning. I thought he for the first time to me, he seemed like he was very out of step with his own base.

2:17:03He's sitting there still bragging about operation warp speed and how he saved hundreds of millions of lives by developing the vaccine. He was getting booed a few times at his own speeches. He just seemed kind of out of touch and it seemed like, you know, it seemed like the energy of his campaign wasn't 2016, which was make America great again. This was like my vengeance tour. They screwed me. I lost, but I really one. I'm going to come back and win again. And it seemed to me like that wasn't really connecting. And then, you know, this before DeSantis got in the race, but it was heavily speculated that he would be getting in the race.

2:17:39And, you know, he was like this guy who had a very good record on COVID, at least compared all the other governors, just about all the other governors. And they're, they're just seemed to me like there was an opening there. There was like a vulnerability. And then they rated his house in Mar -a -Lago. And I felt like that, that guaranteed Trump front Like that, that guaranteed it for him. Because as soon as they did that, it was like, oh, now it's like, it's shifted right back to this, like, look what they're doing to your guy. They want to not give you the chance to vote for this guy. They're gonna weaponize the justice system against this guy because you like him.

2:18:12They're not, and they're doing it to him because they want to do it to you. It kind of gave him like all this energy back. And so there's a real dynamic to that where his numbers go up every time a new indictment comes out. Yeah. People aren't buying into it because it's not like, You know, like it's just so obvious that it's politicized. You know, the interesting thing, there's an interesting thing about the law. Like, people have this conception of what the law is, and then there's the reality of it. Like, people have this conception of like there's a rule written down on a piece of paper. And that's the rule.

2:18:41If you break that rule, you broke the law. If you don't break that rule, you didn't break the law. But that's not really how it works. It's like in the same way, like down to the lowest level, if you get pulled over by a cop, You know, there's times where he could give you a ticket or he could let you off with a warning, you know And like sometimes it's just how that guy feels Maybe he knew you maybe stuff to go. Oh shit Joe Rogan. I'll let you off with a warning You know what I mean like there could be so many different factors. Well, like just just for example, okay, so James Clapper you know, he was the the director of national intelligence It's basically the head of the shadow government.

2:19:14That's the highest position in the deep state You're the CIA answers to you. You oversee the CIA and the NSA and FBI and all this stuff. And he lied to Congress very blatantly. Like no question about it. He was asked, point blank, is the NSA involved in any bulk data collection on American citizens? Said, no, we're not doing that. Then Ed Snowden came out and exposed that he clearly was. He was the DNI. Like he knew this. Okay. He lied to Congress. Why isn't he arrested for it? It's like because there's no political will to arrest that guy. He's of the deep state. He's one of the top guys That he's not getting arrested now Michael Cohen lied to Congress He got a month wrong when he was talking about a deal that that he was working on for Trump He said it happened didn't you know June but it was really in January or something like that Like he got charged with that and because they wanted to put pressure on him to get him to flip on Donald Trump which he did So that's it's not like there are crimes that are committed all the time There's just no political will.

2:20:14There's no desire to arrest that person. And I think the thing that's wild about this with Trump is that if you think of all the crimes that presidents have committed, the idea that this is what one of them is actually going to go down for is insane. Like Bush instituted torture. You know what I mean? Obama murdered American citizens without charges. These guys lied us into wars. They've by the way every war is illegal. You know the supreme law of the land is the Constitution and it says only Congress can declare war The last declared war was World War II Every war since then has been a legal war Anyone could be arrested for this at any time It's it's the legal defense is that their military actions not wars So you know that thing in Vietnam it probably smelled like a war to you But no not a war Korea wasn't a war.

2:21:04Iraq wasn't a war Afghanistan Libya Syria Somalia Yeah, yeah, man, none of those were awards. You know, it's anyone, if there was any political will, any one of these presidents could be arrested for any number of crimes. And yet they're not. But yet Trump didn't give back the classified information quickly enough even after they asked him, oh, he's gotta be indicted for that. Even though other presidents have done pretty much the same thing, now he's gotta be indicted for that. What is the, the Georgia thing is interesting because he was going to have a press conference where he's going to reveal all of the information that proves that he was telling the truth about the Georgia election being rigged.

2:21:44Yeah, I didn't have the press conference. Yes. Well, this is a thing that I got to say is a kind of knock on Trump here that, you know, this is a thing his lawyers, Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, who just turned himself into custody today. But they would always say this after 2020. We have proof that millions of votes were stolen from Donald Trump, and we'll be releasing this soon and then it just never kind of comes. So I don't know what he thinks. He's going to tell us about that. The issue with the thing in Georgia where I will grant there's like a little bit of a gray area there. And I think that look, it's there is a gray area there.

2:22:21It's kind of like when they impeach Trump over Ukraine, there was like a little bit of a gray area of like what exactly he did. It's just that when you look at things of all the crimes that presidents commit, the idea that you go after a president for this, it's so petty compared to the greater crimes. But like, he called the Secretary of State in Georgia and was kind of like, I need you to find me these votes. But he was saying he was like, look, there's been fraud. I know there's been fraud. You got to go look for it. And the guy's like, I don't see any evidence that there's fraud here. And he's like, find it.

2:22:50I know there's fraud. You know, he was putting pressure on the guy to go look, but it's not as if he was telling the guy, I need you to commit fraud. He wasn't telling him I want you to flip votes or I want you to manipulate something He's like I want you to go find where the fraud is right because I so you'd almost have to prove that he didn't really believe that Right in order to prove you know because if there was really fraud He has every right to tell the guy to go find it right so now so now they're arguing that he didn't and in the indictment they argue that he knew it and He was like he knew that there was no fraud but was still trying to get the guy to go find it and And the case that they're using to argue that is that he had advisors around him who told him that the election was legit.

2:23:35The problem with that is that that doesn't prove at all that Trump believed those guys, just because they told him that. If there's one thing I'm fairly confident in, I believe Donald Trump believes he won the election in 2020. Yeah, my position has always been, we all have to agree that election fraud is not zero percent. It's not zero and everyone agrees to that. Do you think there's any election fraud at all? Yeah, probably. At some level, there's probably some campaign workers that have a vested interest in one party or another. Like, a lot of these people that are working in these election offices are very biased, right?

2:24:16They're very politically active and they're probably not agnostic in their political beliefs. They're probably pretty steadfast in that this is whether it's Republicans or Democrats, that this is the guy that I want, and if there is a way where you know you're getting some votes from a particular county that might be blue or a particular county that might be red, and you can fuck around, and you're some person who really believes you're on the right side of history. especially with like how white hot politics are now at the moment, where people who, you know, hate Donald Trump hate him so much.

2:24:54Look at this. A sampling of recent election fraud cases from across the United States, the Heritage Foundation's election fraud database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of these cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it's serious There's enough to act upon it and each and every one ended in finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned.

2:25:34So look at this. So it says here, there's 1 ,438 proven instances of voter fraud, 1 ,240 criminal convictions, 48 civil penalties, 108 diversion program, judicial finding, official finding. Okay, so it's showing that there's at least, it's not zero. Right. And that you could argue in a country as big as ours wouldn't even be that bad if that's all there was, but those are just the proven cases. So then you're left to wonder how many go on proven. And we don't know exactly what that answer is, but my thing is more like, I think if you zoom out and you just say, okay, what was the year that was 2020?

2:26:22Well, okay, coming into 2020, Donald Trump is the president. He's presiding over what is, because he would describe as a white -hot economy where there was very low unemployment. There were certain tangible things he could point to and say, look, this has really worked out for the economy. Can I pause or is that because of the policies of the Obama administration about they were coming to fruition or is it because of direct changes that he made? So I would say a mix of both. But I would argue that it was kind of a bubble economy still and that it was still propped up off very low interest rates and very high government spending and that you can make things look good on charts when things are like that.

2:27:07But I would argue that he hadn't really fixed like the major underlying problems in the economy. But he did have some pretty significant deregulation in the energy sector. He did pass some very significant corporate tax cuts and I think those things were very good for business. So kind of a mix of both. But you have that's the starting point of of 2020 Donald Trump bragging you know You know he brag about the lowest African -American unemployment the lowest Latino unemployment and how great the economy was and how he's doing all these great things He was poised to have an excellent shot at being reelected and then you have the economy destroyed By government imposition like even if you think the lockdowns were the right things to do the fact is that through state governors decided we're tanking our economy.

2:27:58Like we're closing down our economy. And then you had a summer full of the biggest riots of my lifetime, which were sponsored, not only financially, where you had big, powerful groups paying bail for rioters to get out of jail, but also just backed, completely backed by the entire corporate press. You know, this is the voice of the unheard fiery, but mostly peaceful, just making every excuse for these riders going on in almost every major city across the country. During this whole time, anybody who wanted to speak out against this was often censored for doing so. If you wanted to speak out against the lockdowns or against Black Lives Matter or any of this stuff, you might lose social media, you might lose your job, mass, a bigger censorship campaign than we've really ever had before.

2:28:47This is all going on that year. And then they announce that we are overhauling the way we do elections. And for the first time, we're letting everyone vote by mail. Not just the absentee ballots for like military personnel, but everyone can just vote by mail now. A way that we were never okay with doing it before because we would have been very concerned about fraud. But now we're all going to do that. So in this like revolutionary year, we're overhauling how we do everything. and then you have the thing with the Hunter Biden laptop story being censored, and then the result is that Joe Biden wins the election.

2:29:22Given all of those factors, there's just no conceivable way that an overwhelming majority of Trump voters weren't gonna feel like this thing was stolen. It just look at all the like fundamentals of what happened that year. And even if you really, really don't like Donald Trump, How could you look at all those fundamentals and not go, okay, I see where I'd see where with all of that that was fertile soil For belief that this thing was stolen from them. Yeah, you know It was a pretty crazy thing and the problem and the thing and I think we're past the point of no return on this for better or for worse Is that even if you think Donald Trump committed all of these crimes and that it's right for him to bring down all these indictments at least acknowledge that this is It's kind of over for the right half of America to ever believe in this process again.

2:30:15Because the way they're going to look at this is like, oh, look, you wouldn't give them a fair shot again. Like once again, you wouldn't just let him have a fair shot. You wouldn't just let the American people vote, which is so if you believed in democracy, if you believe in this country, if you believe in trying to unite us in any way, wouldn't it be so obvious at this point? Like it's not as if every one of the charges Donald Trump is being faced with is like some novel legal theory where they're twisting a statute to try to make him guilty of this crime. It's a very gray area at best. Wouldn't you just go look, we're going to have a national referendum on this in November.

2:30:47Let the American people decide which side are you know what I mean? Which side are they on of this? And then we could give this democracy thing a shot and see who wins. But if you do it like this, then basically the entire right half of America now doesn't believe this game is real anymore. They don't really believe they're in a democracy where they get to pick who they want to vote for. Because they're like, no, we picked this guy and you screwed him out of it. Now, by the way, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Maybe it's better that they don't believe in the system anymore. Because the system is bullshit.

2:31:16So... Richmond, north of Richmond. That's right. Yeah. I want total control.

2:31:25Great song. It's a great song. It's just bizarre that this conversation doesn't happen more often. This kind of open laying out of the basic facts of what happened. Because it's all just narratives. It's all just left -wing talking points and right -wing talking points and just so much confusion, so much noise. Yeah, and everyone does get so dug in. I do think like one of the advantages I have of like at least I think personally of like thinking about all these things is that I'm not on a team. Like I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm not like I base my basic view is that all these politicians are criminals, you know, and so I'm not like at least I try my best to be like let me understand what's happening here.

2:32:21I'm more or less, I'm on the side of the American people and against the American political class. You know, like that's kind of my bias of anything. But it's just people get so dug in that they're just going to jump to their points that will shape their narrative. The truth is that, look, what happened like January 6th say, look, what's easy to put in the rear view mirror that everybody's kind of forgetting about is that they were boarding up Washington, DC and not out of concern of Biden winning. You know like they were boarding up all the stores in downtown Washington DC because they were scared of Trump winning Right, they were scared of people are gonna riot and they would have they would have y 'all people were celebrating in the streets in New York City That were ready to riot yes, you know and like so the thing is that they're okay January 6th happened when Biden won But a whole bunch of rioting and stuff would have happened if Trump had won the truth is that the country was just at a point That no matter what happened there It was going to be somewhat ugly.

2:33:20If I was, if Trump wins in 2024, the way I would legitimately think, if you looked at how it went down, it's almost better for us as the American people to see all the steps that they did to interfere with the public narrative of who he is and the election. whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop thing or the Russia collusion thing. It's almost better for us to see that naked and then also see them push Biden through. Biden get in and see what a disaster it is. I think it's better to see. If I was in Trump's camp, I would say, look, this is other than the indictments and all this, all the crate. It's actually better this way because now people have a real understanding that But at least some of the things that he was saying are accurate, the witch hunt thing, accurate, the Russia collusion bullshit.

2:34:20It's accurate. And no one is admitting that. And people see it and they know it and it scares the shit out of them. It scares the shit out of them that they just want to continue doing this to us. And if they're doing it, if they did it with a hundred Biden laptop thing, what else are they doing it about? What do they? It's also, and I think for people like us, I think it's hard to exactly understand because you're also talking about that Donald Trump supporters are generally speaking not our demographic exactly. Like, they're a different type of people. You know, like, we're not like lifelong Republicans conservative.

2:34:58You and I are not, but although we do get labeled right wing. Yeah, but that's just bizarre reason. That's all just stupid, you know what I mean? Like, that's ridiculous. But like, the say like the Tea Party type people or the conservative Republican type people are different. Like I'm like a Jewish kid from Brooklyn, New York raised by a single mom. I'm just a culturally, a different thing than most of them are. And you know, and you are like a dip, you were raised by like hippies in California, right? Like it's a different thing and then went to Boston. Like you're not like, it's just culturally different.

2:35:32But these people, like the ones who went to the Tea Party, like these conservative Republicans. These were the people who like carried around pocket constitutions with them. You know what I mean? Like they really believed in the system. In a much different way than people who have more of a liberal background ever did. You know, these were people who like believed in country, God, law and order. You know what I mean? Like these, and for them, I think it's a whole different thing to see that these institutions were poisoned against their guy. and that they're all corrupt. It's truly like, whoa, this is like a devastating thing.

2:36:11I think it's disillusioning in a very powerful way that's tough for a lot of us to understand. When they see that, you're like, you're telling me the FBI was framing the president? Because they loved the FBI. They were the biggest offenders of the FBI. These are the guys who would stand in line with them. As recently as when George W. Bush was president, not like that long ago. right you know and so I think a lot of this was um it was very it was very revealing for them so I remember which was I always made me laugh but it's think Sean Hannity said um at some point during the rush of gate thing he goes uh he goes for the first time in American history the FBI has been politicized.

2:36:52Jay to me you know that like but that summed up almost the conservative view of it you know what I mean that it's like but this is it you're like yeah actually We said for the entire history of it has been this but okay I'm glad at least you're waking up now to the fact that this wasn't just like oh no these are the good guys You know it's not that simple isn't a wild to the Hoover was just such a freak Yeah, we're a freak cross -dressing fucking cycle bath Fucking that all the dirt on everybody and did one to have the dirt on him. Yep because he was dirty I had a lot of that but that's like it's like when you're and also you got a picture of this like being in like you know like the 1930s, 40s, or 50s or whatever, you know, in his whole reign, like cross -dress and back then.

2:37:35It was a lot worse than what cross -dress, like that's real dirt. You know, and so if you're doing that, cross -dress and now will get you in the Biden administration. Oh, Christ, you're getting a guaranteed promotion. Yeah, I mean, that said Sam Britton, cycle. Yeah, but back then it was like, so you know right away he was like, I need a lot of dirt on everyone else. Yes. Because if anyone finds out about this. Also, there had to be like some guilt aspect that made doing dirty things even more exciting. Because you know that you're like supposedly exposing that and other people, but you're guilty of it yourself and you're out there.

2:38:10That's and it's women's shoes and yeah. And also just like, you know, spine on civil rights leaders and people. I think encouraging them to commit suicide, the letter that they sent to Martin Luther King. And they sent his wife an audio tape, right? I think they sent him an audio tape of him like having an affair or something. They did some crazy shit. Crazy shit. But that, and it's interesting too, that like, it, because it kind of represents the whole transformation. Like, in the 20th century, there's this real transformation of like what the United States of America's federal government is.

2:38:46And Jay Edgar Hoover was there for a really interesting part of that with the FBI, where where they start off as just this like, basically there was no constitutional authority for a federal police. So they kind of start off as like, they're like basically have like a pad of paper and a pen. Like you can go around and ask questions. They didn't have guns, they didn't have a resting power, they had like nothing. And then by the end of his term, it's the fucking FBI. You know what I mean? Like what we know today. That's kind of like the story of America. It's a very, it's a really fascinating story where we start as the smallest, most restrained government in the history of the world.

2:39:20No other experiment like it. The whole Constitution is basically telling the government what it can't do. And then dividing these powers, and then we have the Bill of Rights, which is all basically, Congress can't do this, government can't do this, you can't do this, this is the whole thing. It's basically telling the government what it can't do. And so we have this experiment in limited government. And if you look at the period between the end of the Civil War and like 19, let's say, let's say 1865 to 1912. You have this period where it's probably the largest experiment in a free market capitalism in human history.

2:40:05Like the federal spending was nothing. It was like 2 % of the national income. You had no income tax, no central bank, no federal regulation, it's just like very free market conditions. And it builds up like the richest, most powerful government in the history of the world. And it's so rich and powerful compared to every other country that then they can kind of get away with like, all right, well, now we go to the progressive area. Let's have an income tax. I'm like, oh, and the way the income tax was sold in 1913, 1914, 1914, I believe, was they go, well listen, this is only going to apply to like the richest people and it'll only be like one or two percent of their income.

2:40:45You know, we'll just take a little bit from them and help the little guys out. That's how it starts. Like, grows and grows and grows and then you have the federal reserve and grows and grows and grows. And then you get into World War One and now you have this security apparatus growing and then there's World War Two. You know, and then there's the depression in between World War One and World War Two and what is that mean? Well that means we need a new deal. We need more government. We need more regulation You know then you get into World War II we create the CIA we create all the Sun You have like this deep state forming drop -to -nooks on Japan now we're the bad motherfuckers We run the world, you know what I mean?

2:41:16And then just more and more and more you come back home It's like in the 60s they have like the the real rise of like the the great society the welfare state The all and just all this shit that would start it as the smallest government ever just balloons and balloons and balloons and now you have it and it's the biggest government in the history of the world. And that's like where we're at now. Went from this experiment and tiny government to this experiment in the biggest most powerful government in human history. And some people think the solution to our problems is to expand it. Alright, alright, it's wild.

2:41:46It's so wild. It's wild. I'm looking up the J Edgar Hoover cross -wasting thing. Is it fake? It might be fake. Really? Yeah. That makes sense. No, dude, they put it in the movie. I'm putting a movie so it must be real. You're still working on that? I'm a person who said she saw him somewhere. Was there photos? No, there's no photos. Is that true? Yeah. That all, oh man. It might be made up. It says this lady was trying to sell the story to Esquire for a while and then someone printed it in a biography about him in 1972. So how did they put it in the movie? There's a lot of rumors about his relationship.

2:42:23I'll say with an eight of his. Well, he was always single, right? What was going on with it? So he's very private person says like this is just like what happens with myth and gossip Talk shit about him and got printed and now a sudden it's a Well, whatever he's spied on MLK and now we're all gonna call him a cross dresser Cross dress and psychopath The story even says more fun if he's a cross dresser It's as he went to a restaurant with his friend in a skirt the other guy was in a dress the hostess would let him in and Almost sounds like that doesn't sound believable to me. Yeah, I don't buy he went to a restaurant Yeah, that seems so.

2:42:55Yeah, this had you saw him at a private party at the New York Plaza Hotel was a big orgy and it's like how many of those are real So we know Epstein's islands real and I used to think that was fucking insanity Alex Jones is telling me about that over a decade ago Compromise people on this island they get them go there. He's a hot girls. They look hot, but they're 16 He's telling me this whole thing. I was like, what? This is the thing about Alex Jones is that he'd always have this method of like, he'd like, he throws a lot of shit at the wall. They're trying the frog's game. Yeah, but that one turned out to be right too, or more or less kind of right, you know?

2:43:33Yeah. They're trans, whatever the frogs are. It's doing something to them. It's changing their sex. Yeah. But like, he, so, and by the way, the thing is that, there's too many people who are like, Alex Jones was right, and there are a lot of things he was right about, but there's also a ton of things he was wrong about, that he's just say with certainty, like and I have the information I have all this and this and just like this just none of this is true I remember right after 9 -11 He was going in this thing about how we're gonna get in a nuclear war because Iran already has the nukes And they're gonna use them and I had this whole thing about how like he goes around has nuclear weapons I have the documents to prove this we've got the sources off the record button It's just just none of that was right, you know But then there's like the thing what he that he's right about like being right about the Epstein Island thing is So fucking crazy So wild.

2:44:17So wild. And then he was also right about Bohemian Grove. Yeah, yeah, that's people forget about that I mean he was in Bohemian Grove in like the 90s when they filmed all that Yeah, it's which is you watch that ceremony like What are you doing like what do you guys are dressing up like druids and you're you're you're burning an effigy in front of an Awl god and you're speaking on loud speakers about this owl god molek. This is really what they do. Yeah, this is what they did. It's real and it's like I'm not saying that we're living in this like Like this biblical world where there is like I'll say well Well, I'm not saying that there is a god in a Satan I'm not saying there's not I mean, I believe in god, but I I'm saying they believe they're living in this world and they believe they're like on Team Satan or something like that.

2:45:15Because they do, it is very bizarre. I know these are the type of things that you're not allowed to bring up because, oh, now you're a nutty conspiracy theorist, but we have proof of this happening. It's not Bohemian Grove isn't just like, like we have actual video footage of it. We don't know everyone who's there. We know Nixon was there and we know he said, it was the faggidious thing he's ever seen in his life and he wanted to wash his hands or he didn't want to shake people's hands there. Like, this is all real and it does look like when we played that clip before of Madeline Albright being like, yeah, 500 ,000 dead children, that's worth it, like the price is worth it.

2:45:49It does kind of like, you start to kind of ask these questions where you're like, okay, so there are these people who are comfortable making decisions that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children. And we know in many cases they're making these decisions based off profit. But you're like, isn't that so authentic? Yeah, like, so who is that person? Like, who the fuck is that person? Is it like, they just do that at work and then they clock out and they're just like us? Or are they clocking out and doing some weird ritual at the Bohemium Grove, you know what I mean? And when Andreessen, Mark Andreessen was on, he brought up this, he was the one that brought up the Satanist who was also the rocket scientist, right?

2:46:31At Los Alamos Labs. Was that him that brought that up? No. No, no it wasn't. You know who it was? It was the opposite of Mark Andrewsson. It was Python cowboy. Right? Python cowboy, the guy who that's who it was. Andrewsson brought up the nuclear tests about how the videos are weird of the nuclear test. Like there's a truck behind this building and then and also an attractus appears. Like it's very weird, or the truck appears. Like I forget which one, but it's like, and also like how are they filming this and there's all these conspiracies? He wasn't saying it was real, but he's like the conspiracies are, that this is all rigged, that it was fake.

2:47:15But there was a guy who was, they were doing this thing where they were moving pythons from this place in Florida. And they got to this place, And he took all this video footage of his elaborate satanic ritual setup that they had down there, where they had things written on the wall in Latin, and they had a girl's bloody dress, and they had a chair that was covered in something red, and they were trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, and he wanted to get out of there. But then he found out that the history of that lab itself, that the guy who founded that lab was an open Satanist. Jack Parsons.

2:48:04Pull up those articles about him because we were playing it during the show. It's like what? So this guy was involved in this nuclear weapons lab and he's also an open Satanist. Like what? Yeah, that is fucking strange. Where the fucking outfits and go to these things and this was in like the 19, was it the 50s? And it doesn't make you wonder to some degree, you're like, are you like, is there really a Satan, and are you really a part of his thing? Or is this just some weird game you're playing? Yeah, like look how these fucking people would dress man. Look how insane this is. Go to that article.

2:48:48This is the article, so bizarre. Sex, rocket science, is in Satanism, meat, NASA's real hidden figures. Satanism. Satanism. I mean, what? This guy was a part of their program and he was fucking openly in the Church of Satan. Like, look how they would dress. It was like walking into a filini movie. Like, what the fuck? What the fuck, man? Look at all these people. These These are the people that were responsible for this? Like, oh my god. Well, even like, how would saying are these fucking people? With the Epstein thing, I mean, I guess it's not, it's not exactly this, but you remember the, like the pictures, the paintings that they found, but remember, there's one with George W.

2:49:39Bush, when he's like a little kid and he's playing with the blocks that are in the towers. And then there's like the, what is it, Bill Clinton in a dress or something like that? Like it's not exactly Satanist shit, but it's still just kind of this weird like, well the Clint is things. to me was like clear that like you're you have the president in a fucking dress and we've talked about this There's like a little fucking screenshot of me talking about it with Duncan We're like that is to me. I got you Yeah, I got you bitch and the George W. Bush one seems to be kind of like a different but a similar like this idiot has no idea What the fuck's going on exactly?

2:50:14He's got a doofus looking look on his face and but it's the planes in two towers right? I mean, that seems to be like a 9 -11. Yeah. And if you were a guy who is supposedly the conspiracy as he was he was part of the intelligence agency that he was something massage or something. Either massage or say or combination of those two. If you're that guy, you probably get like a real thrill out of having all this dirt on these incredibly important people and then have like pictures that I'm looking It's stupid in your house. Yeah, yeah. Well, you wonder like, I don't know. There's just kind of room to speculate about it, but you wonder if there's probably a benefit to having very powerful people who have, you have dirt on them, right?

2:51:05So if you, let's say you take something like pedophilia And that is a thing that I don't know, maybe 99 % of people want you dead if you are that. You know what I mean? It's like the thing that even in prison, you will get murdered for being that even amongst other violent criminals, there's this code that you don't do that. And most people are not violent criminals. Really, you know what I mean? So if you are, let's say a pedophile, and you know that about someone, you own them now. And that's kind of what the Jeffrey Epstein's thing seems to be like, not even that they were pedophiles, I think in some cases they're tricked into it.

2:51:48You get like 16 year olds, you dial them up so they look like they're in their 20s. You bring the guy to party with them. The next day you're like, oh, she was 16, I have it on tape and you're gonna be voting yes on the legislation next week, tight deal. But you could see where, let's say you were very, a very powerful interest behind the scenes. You could see where, if there were people who say were pedophiles or who cheated on their wives or just, you had dirt on them, where you'd be interested in promoting that person, because now you can control them much more easily, right? And so it just, you could see where it would maybe come to be, that they would kind of like these really sick fucked up people in these positions of power, because then they're that much easier to control.

2:52:31100 % that makes sense. It makes sense. You got dirt on them. Yeah, you know, it makes sense. And there does seem to be like, I mean, the, this was so, so weird. I forget who tweeted this. I apologize, man, because I should give you credit because this is such a good tweet. But someone said, someone tweeted that pizza gate aged better than Russia gate, which is just like the best. Like it's just so funny when you think about it like that, that there was this wild conspiracy theory in 2016 that when the Podesta emails got dumped, that um... Oh was that, was that Mellus? I don't know if he's the first one, I do.

2:53:12I don't know, I don't know if he's the first one. Yeah, I bet it's him. Credit to the town, that sounds like something Mellus would say. Mellus is the god of the day. But look how nutty this is, X network investigative journalist pleads guilty to child sex abuse material charges. So this is a guy that was an investigative journalist at ABC News who investigated and dismissed pizza gate. And meanwhile, he was guilty of child sexual abuse material charges. So he had child porn. Now here's the question. Has there ever been a case where someone has purposely put child porn on someone's computer to bust them?

2:53:53I'm sure there has. I would imagine that that's something they can do. That's terrible. Wasn't there like a woman who accused the FBI of threatening to put child porn on someone's computer? Wasn't there, there was like a recent case of that. That is so terrifying. That's really terrifying. But someone would be in possession of child porn and then put it on your computer. And then you're just there like and you're like, you know, you're in the position of being like, I swear, it's all my computer, but I don't know how I got there. Especially if you're someone who's investigating child porn. I'm not saying that's the case.

2:54:36Yeah, yeah. He very well might be guilty of it. And there are people that are guilty of it. It's a fucking heinous thing that does exist. As much as like you and I as regular people, especially as parents, we don't want to ever admit. There's someone out there that literally wants to fuck a baby. And wants to film people fucking babies and have guys jack off to it. It's like, why? Yeah, that's some dark shit. Well, it's the only thing that you can possess that's illegal that you could find online, right? Like you could have murder videos. Like every fucking day I open up Instagram, I'm seeing someone get shot.

2:55:10Yeah. And you see a lot of murder videos on Instagram. And I don't know how they do that and how they fucking get away with doing that. Because it seems to be in violation of the terms of agreements of of of Instagram Yeah, it seems like you're not supposed to have murder videos Yeah, but God damn I've seen a lot of them and if I download these Videos and put them on my my hard drive and someone arrest me and they search my hard drive So oh, well you videos of people murdered. That's fine. You'd be like no, even though it's a crime It's nothing officer. I just masturbate to it No problem, sir.

2:55:48Yeah, I like to go. I like yeah, like shots guns to the face. That's how I get off Yeah, like no problem with that right Yeah, but if you are in possession even if you haven't done anything physically to these kids Death videos and it clearly is breaking all of those yeah Images or videos depict the murder of an unidentified Identifiable individual, what if they're unidentified, what if they're have a bag over the head and you shoot them? Images or videos where a reasonably intelligent identifiable person is clearly deceased, excessively gruesome media that depicts death of an identifiable person.

2:56:28Images or videos of an identifiable deceased person shared for sadistic purposes. That's interesting. That's vague. Yeah, including media accompanied by content that laughs at or otherwise mocks the deceased and takes pleasure in the suffering of the deceased That's so bizarre. It's just that just seems like such a stand Why don't you just say like no murder videos? The loophole could be newsworthy event. Yes newsworthy events. Okay, fine. Right like the death of George Floyd Like that's an okay fine Fair enough, but they're like, why is it like, well, they're kind of almost by it like implicitly saying like they're like, I mean if you can't identify I'm you know, if you can't identify them and you're not laughing at them have at it.

2:57:12I don't understand that though I mean, I think there are deaths like, you know, like Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi or Like that you got to you should be allowed to see It is one of the wiles when you see the look on his face that kind of shoves that knife up his ass He was like, whoa. Yeah, and I think there's something about that too. The craziest thing about the Gaddafi thing, and I mean, that's the craziest thing. But he had totally waved the white flag to America. Abandon his nuclear program, gave up all his chemical weapons, like was like right after 9 -11, he was like, look, I'll help you in any way, I can.

2:57:50Like, I don't want this, and I know America's coming to kick some ass around here. And he did all that and then they still went in and did that to him. So it was a message to like everybody else who we oppose around the world that like, yo, you cannot, you can't trust America, you can't work out a deal with America. And all, you know, when Joe Biden says things like, you know, like he said several times that, you know, we want regime change in Russia, it's like, that's what regime change looks like. So that's what Vladimir Putin's thinking when he says that's like that's what you'd like. Then by the way, according to Bill Perry, who was Bill Clinton's Secretary of State, so he says that he said that Vladimir Putin believes that the US has like a program to attempt to assassinate him that like we're actively trying to kill him.

2:58:45And I don't know if that's true or not, but he said that's what Putin believes. I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. doesn't sound like it's outside of the realm of possibility. Yeah, and seems like they tried it with Castro. How many times? Yeah, many, many times. And what's the Dom Hussein and with a lot of others, it's kind of our MO. And so like, you gotta like, almost see like, that's what their concern is. It's like that they could end up like that. Right. And what would you do to avoid ending up analie -rafe with a knife to death? A lot. You know, like whatever you could. You're really back in someone into a corner.

2:59:21Especially a superpower with nuclear weapons, especially if they can prove that you're actually involved in all this shit that he's saying you're involved with. Yep. Not good. Not good. It's so gross, it's so scary. And that's the one thing I'll say. The thing Trump said, and I remember you were talking about this with Duncan too, but when Trump said that I want the dying to stop, you know what I mean? That's controversial. But we should do. You claim to win this war. Yeah, like what? And it's like, what does it even mean? It's like, what do you, you know, and then there'll be people who are arguing like, well, we can't, the war can't stop until all of the territories restored because we could never like reward the aggressor in this conflict.

3:00:07And you're like, dude, like, so people got to keep dying because you have a point to make about Crimea being ruled by Kiev rather than Moscow. There's also people that were like applauding that progrosion was closing in on Moscow. Do you think that he's better? Well, do you know what he does? Yeah. Do you know what he was the head of? Yeah, like, I mean, the idea that let's say after all of this, let's say Russia, like what seems to be the the best case scenario that the establishments claiming so let's say russia is utterly humiliated in ukraine there's a devastating victory for ukraine ukraine uh...

3:00:48takes back all of the territory it's all of it they get cry me a back you know they're just they get the entire uh... territory back and then Vladimir Putin is overthrown so do you think that in this most like humiliating of moments for russia and knowing the like the political realities in Russia. What would you say is more likely that will rise up in Vladimir Putin's place? Will it be a Jeffersonian Republican liberal who now says we're going to institute a bill of rights, you know, or something like that? Or do you think it's more likely going to be probably someone substantially to the right of Vladimir Putin who will be even more of an authoritarian?

3:01:29You know, like it's like, it's kind of obvious which one is more likely. And that never seems to be anything we think about when it comes to war. Unless they believe they could do what they did in Ukraine. Well, what to overthrow the government and put a government in that's more friendly of them. Yeah, I mean they've tried to do this before. That was the other thing that you were talking about that recording, where they were openly discussing the various individuals. Yeah, there's was it was it the John Kerry one or the one with ISIS in Syria or the one in Ukraine with a Victorian Ukraine. Yeah, the Victoria Newland phone call where she's she's talking about the phone call states with Victoria Newland and Jeffrey Piot and it was it was leaked presumably by the Russians.

3:02:11We don't really know in in early 2014 and it's right around I think it was leaked like it was right around when right when Yanukovych fled and the new government took over and was immediately recognized by the US And she's she it starts with her and Jeffrey Pia, who's an ambassador and he's they're like a wherein play Okay, like it's happening and then they're all like she's talking about who should be in the new government and who should be out of the new government And then they're talking about how we're gonna make this thing stick. Oh, this guy doesn't have the experience Yeah, it has to be and Klitschko has to be out like going through all the people and all the players who should be in the new government and who shouldn't And then she says that Joe Biden's gonna call call them to give them an adaboy, to like congratulate them for doing it and you know the whole and look there are people who argue and I've heard this argument I don't think there's really any evidence for it but people argue that she wasn't talking about over throwing Yanukovych, she was talking about making a deal with Yanukovych or say but I'll just say this the one of the top Neocons was over meddling in this country and all the people who she wanted in government got in and all the people who she wanted out of government got out that's a clue it works and you know yeah you can't and this is uh...

3:03:29conclusions yet so by the way she is robber cagan this is she's his wife victoria newlin and she he was the guy who like i believe he was the founder of the project for a new american century is at least one of the signatures of like one of the signatures of it but he like he was like head neocon guy and this is his wife this is and their whole project since the nineties was to remake the middle east fight multiple wars overthrow Saddam Hussein also they want to regime changing around they haven't gotten that one yet and they wanted to expand NATO all the way to Ukraine that was their whole like mission and so his wife just happens to be over there she's handing out water and food to the protesters she's in the crowd get given out food and cookies to the protesters John McCain's going over there speaking with neo -Nazi groups and shit telling them your fights are fight the Russians are going to lose you know all this shit and that was all it was all part of a big plan uh...

3:04:29which these neocons have said forever that their vision was always that like essentially with gideon rose set that you steal robin away from batman bat with you crane russia is a european power but without you crane they're an isolated you know like an isolated nation and Vladimir Mayor Putin was always pretty damn clear that Ukraine was his red line. Our own CIA director, we read the memo last time we were here, the net means net memo, our own CIA director wrote back to Condoleezza Rice when she was Secretary of State and told her and said, this is his red line. Don't fuck with Ukraine. Don't try, he's like this is, we have our only warm water port here, we have strategic interests here and we cannot have your military alliance on our border in this, in this border.

3:05:12And that he's made this is the brightest of all red lines and and and the CIA director current when he was the ambassador to Russia He said this is the brightest of all red lines not just for Vladimir Putin But for the entire Russian political establishment even his sharpest liberal critics agree with him on this that Ukraine is the red line And then two months after that they announced Ukraine's coming into NATO and then just more intervention in Ukraine all the way through and Eventually he he went okay, you crossed it Now I'm fucking, now I'm breaking it. There's a funny thing, because in the video where you say Gideon Rose goes, when you remember the part where he says, oh, we want to distract him with the Olympics, here's a shiny medal, and we'll just take a country away from you and that whole thing.

3:05:53And at one point, Steven Colbert goes, well, what could Vladimir Putin do? Like, could he intervene and Gideon Rose goes, yes, yes. And I think he says something like, he could throw over the chessboard. You know, like, he could, and he did eventually. You know, they fucking pushed him and pushed him and eventually he did. I wonder what they're ultimately planning is. How do they think this is going to play? Behind closed doors and all the fucking walls are checked for bugs. What do they say? My guess would be that they are, I think the attitude is what Zbignou Brzynski said the strategy was in Afghanistan in 1979.

3:06:39seventy nine um... that it was to get that when we were trying to lower the soviet union to fighting the war in afghanistan that that what he said it was to give them their own vietnam like we basically saw what vietnam did to us and let's give them one of those let's lure them into a fucking quagmire that breaks their back um... and from their point of view they were successful in that that that's what defeated the soviet union was there their war in afghanistan and now after getting out of our own twenty a year war in Afghanistan, you know, and seeing what that's done to our country, I think this is what I think.

3:07:15I think they were attempting to lure Vladimir Putin into this war. I think that's why they were, they kept crossing his red lines every single time. I think they wanted to provoke him into doing this because they want him to, they want to break Russia. Jesus Christ. Game of Thrones. Yeah. It's a wild shit, dude. It's wild shit. How do you have time to research all this stuff? Well, and just have all this information available an instant recall I mean, I don't know I just you know I've I was very lucky from the time I got obsessed with politics in 2007 when I found Ron Paul and at the time I didn't really have any I just my whole life was just stand -up comedy and being obsessed with this shit So that was all like that's all I did And now, and I fell down the rabbit hole.

3:08:08I found a lot of really great people. So I think I'm very lucky that I found the right people. Starting with Ron Paul, who I think is the greatest living American hero, the Thomas Jefferson of our time. But then I found all these great people. I found Peter Schiff and Tom Woods, Scott Horton, the best anti -war voice in the country, all the guys at antiwar .com. So I read them all the time. And I just kept finding all these really great voices is the whole Mesis Institute, m -i -s -e -s .org. And so I got obsessed with that for a long time. And then it's just like, I don't know, it's just like my calling to follow this shit.

3:08:43I'm so passionate about following it and knowing what's going on. And I do my podcast three days a week and I'm always talking about whatever the latest thing is. So I'm always kind of on top of it and I have good sources. And yeah. So I remember by the way, I'll say this quickly, you really, you really inspired me. I remember when I was first starting so I was like I started comedy in like 2005 2006 something like that And then in 2007 2008 I fell into this rabbit hole and then I just started being like obsessed with you know Reading about like Austrian economics and military history and all this shit And I remember like I was really self -conscious about it I was like I was like this makes no sense Like what am I doing?

3:09:26I'm like pursuing stand -up comedy and then I'm spending every night until four in the morning just like obsessively reading about this shit that has nothing to do with my comedy career. You know what I mean? And I remember just like being like a, what am I doing? Like I'm not, I'm like failing it, comment, I'm not doing very good, I'm broke, and I'm like I'm working on this thing that isn't clearly going, it doesn't like really make sense. And I was like, and I was a big fan of yours already because I was, you know, huge UFC fan already. And then, you know, just like from the comedy scene, like I knew you from ONA shows and stuff like that.

3:10:00And I remember first watching talking monkeys in space, which is still one of my favorite comedy specials ever. And I think that was the 2009, 2008, something like that. So that was like, seeing that was the first time that I was like, I kind of wanted to take some of these ideas into standup, but I thought they were like, I was like, I don't know, I don't wanna get like preachy with it or anything like that. But then I saw you in that special and you had like these long very deep bits about, you know, like the fucking pyramids and what man was like 10 ,000 years ago, but it was still all punched up and stand up comedy.

3:10:32Like you weren't just preaching, you were like, and I was like, oh yeah, I think that's fucking, I think I could do that. You know what I mean? Like talk about the shit I wanna talk about, and still keep it funny. And then just your, I remember thinking about it. And I was like, you know, even though it makes no sense on paper that I'm just the dude who's really into fucking the history of the Russia Ukraine conflict, and then we're gonna go do stand up comedy shows. even though that makes no sense, I was like, yeah, but like your career on paper made no sense. But it's just who you are. Like if you had ever said to someone like 20 years ago, or you were like, okay, I got it all figured out.

3:11:07You know, like you had some agent who's like, all right, well if you want to be a standup comedian, you got to be an actor or you got to write or you got to do this and do these auditions. And you're like, well I'm just going to like commentate on cage fights. And then I'm going to do an internet radio show. But I'll be like really big in like the fitness community and the hallucinogenic community. Like they're all really going to like me. Like the psychedelic said that, like put it, it all kind of sounds like, wait, what? But the answer is like, that's just who you are. So it made sense to just be you and do your thing.

3:11:35I said, I don't know. That's kind of like what I've, at a certain point kind of like seeing your example, I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna do this because this is me and this is really what I'm interested in. So like, I don't know, I like doing stand -up comedy and I like talking shit about all this. You can't fault the agents for not having a vision. Sure, especially if something that didn't exist before. Yeah, but they just don't get the new realm that we exist in. You know, for people like this, they're craving authenticity. You know, they're, and you are authentically interested in these things.

3:12:06There's a lot of people that are out there talking about politics. They just view that as a means to get on the air. You can smell a grifter, you know, you can sniff them out, you know, and that term gets thrown around a lot sometimes unfairly, but I'm just saying you can sniff when people are like, oh, no, like he really believes what he's saying. And then you're like, oh, this guy knows he can play to this audience. I can play to the, you know, like, which, you know, I don't have that skill set. I probably make a lot more money if I did. Yeah, just pick a team. It would fuck you up. Yeah, fuck so.

3:12:40I wouldn't be able to do it. It clouds their reasoning. And you always look at everything through a filter of bullshit. Yeah, there's certain people that just, you know what they're doing. You know they're grifting. And there are prone to be exposed. Yeah. Because when you're bullshitting people, you can be exposed for that. Yeah, especially it's like, but it's so tempting. You know, it's so tempting for people. Make sense. Like if they think that this is the lick their finger and this is where the wind's blowing. Well you see it in and by the way, if I'm not like naming and thinking of anyone specific here so I'm like think I'm like trash.

3:13:18But you know there's these people that like go from like they're like well I used to be on the right now on the left. I used to go left now on the right and you almost realize that like I'm not even saying like that Necessarily they're doing that for these reasons, but you realize that let's say you're like It's so valuable to the other side if you're the person who's switched Because then you're like what but I'm saying it's like oh look even This left guy sees how crazy the left is so now he's over here So if you're like, let's say like in the top 80 political commentators on the left, but then you make the switch You move up to like the top 10 on the right.

3:13:53So you just immediately know you're like, oh, this is a huge jump if I do this And you know, that's one of the things is tough is um you have to like There there are perverse incentives in this game. You got to always kind of be conscious of that I don't want to just be telling my audience what they want to hear. You know what I mean? Yes. And sometimes I gotta like say something that might even piss off my audience. You know what I mean? You gotta be really aware of that. Because even incentives can fuck with you even if you're not really thinking about it. That's a capture. Yeah. Yeah. Just don't listen to them.

3:14:27That's probably the best way. That's probably the best way. I mean, you have an internal compass. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We all do. Yeah. And you're gonna make mistakes. We're all gonna make mistakes. but as long as you're following that internal compass, I think people will understand. They'll get it. They'll know what you're doing. And the fact that you are authentic, and that's what's so interesting about it, is because you really are deeply, deeply invested in this stuff. It's not like a thing that you've kind of like, oh, I want to have this debate about this, so I'm going to look at it.

3:14:59Oh, this is what I've learned. Now, you've got this stuff internalized. I just, I don't know, I mean, it's like, Sometimes I'll talk to people and people say sometimes, I don't know how you like, you like read all about and focus on all this political stuff, dude, it just drives me crazy. I just don't pay attention at all. And I have no argument to that. Like, no respect. Hey, yeah, I completely get that. If you just don't, it's just to me, I just, I find it all so interesting. I just like, I don't know, dude, I just like, I wanna know. And I understand what frustrates me is that there's a limit.

3:15:32I know I'll never know all of it. You know what I mean? Like that's frustrating to me because don't you just want to know? Don't you really want to know everything about how Kennedy got killed like what really happened with Nixon? I mean, I know I guess it's kind of the official story But it's definitely more than the official story. It's like what really happened It's always why do you guys really decide we're gonna fucking get this guy out? You know what I mean and like and all the shit even the stuff you were talking about with Trump of like that Be the most interesting thing to ask him right what is it really happen?

3:16:00You know like what was this like? Tell me about this Just getting in there and also when you're not supposed to get in there and you realize they're all Conspiring against you and even you didn't think you would and now you're like oh Boy, I think he did think he was gonna win. Yeah, maybe he did no one else around him I don't think did maybe one or two people I don't think Melania thought I don't think I thought she's that I thought she was like sure I'll come do this campaign thing and then I'll go back to being a socialite in New York City And she was like oh what oh Oh man. Yeah, I was reading this story.

3:16:35I didn't read the story. I read the headline and it was about Melania's reaction to Trump getting indicted and it was like her reaction seems to be sucks deep sucks to be you Like oh, you don't even have an interview with her. Yeah, you're just like this is just like a narrative that you just want to promote I mean, maybe you're just doing it for clickbait. Maybe you're just a journalist, which I think says is a good fucking angle to take. What are they gonna do? Deny it. And maybe that's even right. But what a weird thing to even pretend to write about. Like, can you imagine anyone writing a story about how your wife feels about something you did?

3:17:16You'd be like, you don't have any idea how my wife feels about this? Like, how would you know? Especially criminal indictments. Yeah. And that her take is sucks to be you. It's like, really? They do have a kid together who's like not that old right like is a teenager or something like that Like I don't know that seems like it'd be a weird attitude to you sure that's the take Yeah, how can you like just openly say that? Yeah, did you get a source? Like is it? Roomba's like what is what are you saying? What are you saying? You know for sure? That's how she feels and even like if you had a like on that, how could you ever like write that article?

3:17:55Like if you had some source like, what is it a chick who's a friend of hers says this? How reliable is that ever? Ever. How reliable ever is someone's girlfriend going, this is where she feels about her husband. Like maybe. Also, maybe she did say it for funsies. Yeah, right? Who knows? Who sucks to be you?

3:18:19I'll just go fucking chop. Well, she's I mean my guess is she doesn't want to be back in the White House again. No, I can't believe he knows he enjoyed it She's without a doubt the hottest first lady of all time Wasn't Kennedy's Kennedy's wife was she's pretty good looking check right she's a very beautiful woman, but this lady's hot. Yeah, yeah She's a hot I think Kennedy is professionally. Yes, but she How old was where the Kennedy is when they were I think they're much I don't know how old is she she's a lot younger than Trump She's younger than Trump. She's probably in her 40s Fordys like when Kennedy was in office.

3:19:02He was in his 40s, right? Maybe Yeah, that's I guess that's not interesting that we think about that is so young now It's there's something She was 34 when he died. She was 34. Okay, wow. Yeah, she was young. She was young. And how old was he? I'm guessing 40. I don't like 42. How old was he when he died? Had to be at least 35 or 37. Yeah, you have to be 35. Or 37? Well, he had to be 35 when you got in. And he died in 62. Right. I can't do the math on my head. 1917 to 63. It's 46. 46. 46. You nailed it, Joe. So the VEC is 37, which is very young. He's right up against the boundary. Yeah, I don't like that.

3:19:58It's just the boundary. Yeah, especially now where you go. There's something weird about like I'm 40. I don't want to, now I'm like, I don't want a president younger than me. All right. I want a president who I'm like, wasn't a young man. But he's so brilliant. He's a very impressive guy. I think there's a really weird dynamic that I do not completely understand, but there's something about the boomer class of politicians who like never passed the torch. Like when I was a kid, like in the, we had these politicians like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell and like it's all the same people.

3:20:32They like, Joe Biden, like all these guys were in and it's like they never wanted to give up power. Have you seen Diane Farnstein? I mean, it's like, yo, lady, give it up, man. Well, the thing is, the staff doesn't want her to give it up because then there are a lot of jobs. Yeah, yeah. But there's how many people working in that organization. Oh, several, but still the fact that none of them ever seemed to be willing to pass the torch. It's a very, and percentage of people are so positive. Yeah, I mean, look at that. Isn't that insane? Yeah, so you get into the to from 1980 it takes a dip and then it goes skyrocketing Yeah, that is really something yeah, and so and you know even like with the the presidencies you know It's like That I guess Barack Obama is the exception what he kind of got past the torch Although he had to wrestle it away like it wasn't like they were just like lining up for him It was he had to kind of steal it away from Hillary Clinton But then like, even think that like Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016 when your husband was running in 1992, like it's 30 years later.

3:21:42What are you doing like running still? Like you know, there's just something about it and I do think there's a big problem with it that I think there's like this kind of, this boomer mentality about America and especially because these politicians are so insulated and they live in such a bubble. You know what I mean? Like they're not living like regular people. They're living these crazy lives. And it's almost like they still have this, I think they still suffer from not having adjusted to where America actually is today, first where they have it in their kind of post -World War II mind. Where they're kind of like, yeah, listen, we said, you know, we said Vladimir Putin can and that's that will go show him you can't do that and you're like, oh okay well he did and it's still not working and guess what you're not like so clearly this powerful country you're a country that's 30 trillion plus in debt and like actually you have a lot of signs of like societal decay you know like maybe like you know and I just I do think we'd be better off with like a younger generation having some influence in this.

3:22:49So I like I like a lot of things about Vake I like a lot of I like a lot of things that RFK, but he doesn't have a chance to be Trump, right? Do you think he has a chance to be the vice president? Yeah, I think for sure, I think for sure he has a chance at that or some other big, because I kind of rather see him get like some other more substantive position in Trump's cabinet rather than just vice president. Like I'd rather him like, I'd rather him be like the head of like, you know, something like really like unwind, something in the deep state or something, you know, like I don't know what position exactly would be right for him, but I think he's definitely got a shot of being, I mean, you know, he has not been attacking Donald Trump.

3:23:26Donald Trump has not been attacking him. He's kind of defending Donald Trump. And so that, and Trump's been nothing but complimentary toward him. He's in an interesting position where I have a very tough time seeing how Donald Trump is allowed to be back in. Like it seems to me like they'll do whatever they have to do. But how far can they go? That's the question. While still maintaining what is, well, the first people's eyes at democracy, or see like how well they seem to not be that concerned about maintaining that. I mean, the furthest they can go is a limo ride in Dallas. And the, you know, short of that, they can, they can, you know, perhaps they can get a jury to convict and he's looking at 20 years.

3:24:09And the deal is either you go to jail for 20 years or are you agreed to not run for president or something like that? I mean, I don't know exactly how they can do it. But Vivek is in this interesting position where DeSantis, his campaign is really tanked and not turned into what anyone thought it might turn into. And so now he's just kind of sitting there in the background while Trump is dealing with all these indictments in the system being turned against him. And Trump is wrecking DeSantis. He's not taken any blows, but he's just kind of there. You know? I think it's still a long shot for him to win.

3:24:47I don't know exactly how that would happen, but it's interesting. He's run a really good campaign so far. He's got a lot of good stuff to say. I mean, he said the other day, they asked him who should be the Fed chairman and he said maybe Ron Paul or round Paul, someone from that family. And I'm watching him like, are you just talking to me right now, dude? Like are you just trying to get me to vote for you? Who else is this appealing to? Because I'm way on board. So I like that a lot. I love that he's great on the Ukraine war. I love that Junior is great on that great on that RFK junior I think is a lot better on China.

3:25:26I think Fivex a little bit too hawkish on China I don't like that stuff you was talking about with like drone bombing Mexican cartels and all that I just like So five years with no war, you know like just enough of that But in general, I think he is more on the anti -war side. It's also just really smart and he's younger, and he seems to like really believe in like reducing the size of the deep state and reducing the size of the administrative state. And that's like, that's really nice because we could really use that. He seems to believe he has a plan for how he can get it done. He got very specific with me when he was on my show about like what statutes he would use to like fire people in these bureaucrat positions and how the president has the legal authority to do all of it.

3:26:10You know, I don't know if that would actually work or not, but at least he's taught, at least he's got a plan. He sounds like a president. Yeah. Well, he's just a very impressive guy. I mean, what was the guy, you know, he built like a gigantic company. He's only 37 years old. I think he's worth a ton of money, which I somehow people think is a negative thing, but I just think it's very impressive. It's very impressive. And he's very impressive in every realm. Yeah. Every aspect of what he says, and even how he defends criticism. Well, this is one of the things that I think is also like just really attractive to me about Robert Kennedy Jr.

3:26:46and about Vivek. Obviously, they have some different views on different things, but that you're just like when you talk to RFK Jr. about a topic, you get this impression that he's read a book about it. Oftentimes you get the impression he's read several books about it. Yeah, and you get that impression with with Vivek also when when you talk to Joe Biden You're not I'm not that I've actually had a conversation with him But when you hear him talk you're not convinced that he even knows what he's talking about Right, and when you hear Donald Trump talk about something it always kind of seems like he saw a show about it You know what I mean?

3:27:24Like it just seems like he watched something He sized up what his view was and then he kind of made it But I just, I don't think it's too much to expect that like the president of the United States of America ought to be like a somewhat deep thinker. Yeah, you know? It would be nice. No, that seems reasonable. Yeah. And that, you know, I mean, okay, you could say that about Obama. Obama seemed like he had read stuff, you know? Aside from him, there's Clinton. Yeah, Clinton, very smart, very smart guy. But I just, it would like after, you know, kind of where we've been going lately, it would be kind of nice to see someone like who's who's smart and a thinker.

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3:28:41Jordan Jensen, another one of like up and coming great, really, really funny chick. And Kurt Medzger and Rich Voss all have specials coming out. Beautiful. All on their own YouTube channels and stuff. So it's a part of that series. That's real cool. My podcast is called Part of the Problem. And of course I am a degenerate shithead on the Legion of Skanks a couple of times a week as well Thanks so much dude my pleasure brother. Let's go have fun. All right. Bye everybody