#2027 - Oliver Anthony

24:18We want everybody to kind of think along the ways that we think. It's very strange. And when a person like yourself gets labeled a right wing, left wing fanatic, like right out of the game, both in, both in like a week and a half. And yeah, at least I know I'm doing something right. Like to me, yeah, they're looking for your Biden campaign contributions now. They're going through your fucking taxes. It's the whole thing is so bonkers, man. Like can't they just accept that you made a great song of people and joy it? Yeah. Why does it have, you know, why do people have to attack? Well, I think it's just for whatever reason I've been, there's, I'm the subject matter of the last couple of weeks.

24:52And I, and, you know, in everyone's defense, I probably haven't, I've waited for this opportunity, I guess, to really have a real conversation with somebody about whatever it is I am. So people are just trying to find who's this Oliver Anthony guy and what is he and where does he work and who did he vote for and what's his family like and y 'all, because they want to sort of build this image of whatever it is that the person behind the song represents for better or for worse, the people who agree with it want to, you know, I don't know, it's, it's really funny to watch a Mayan because obviously I know what's true and what's not.

25:26And so like, just even what I've skimmed through of people sending me like, like, like singing at the Super Bowl, like, how many people have formed an opinion about whether or not I should be paid to sing at the Super Bowl? Like, I'm not singing at the Super Bowl. That's just something somebody made up, but you know, there's, there's been hundreds of hours of people's time wasted probably talking about all these little like things that don't even exist. It's just somebody made them up and put them on the internet and so I'm just letting them ride. I think they're, I think it's, I think it's great.

25:52I just think it's great like that at least the last couple of weeks I've been able to entertain everyone and get everyone's mind off like all the, all the other horrible stuff that's going on in the world right now, like, at least everybody can have a good laugh, you know, so. Well, I mean, it's, it's a subject of discussion. So like everybody is getting involved and, and somehow or another became cultural. And then there was a Dwight from the office. Oh, yeah. He chived in that if he was going to write a cultural anthem, what did he say? Something like he wouldn't write about overweight people on welfare.

26:25He would write about billionaires in their taxes. There is nothing funnier than millionaires talking shit about billionaires. There is nothing funny, funnier about millionaires pretending these billionaires are out of touch. Oh, yeah. And then, you know, take, take Dwight from the office down to West Virginia, you know, take them through those coal mining countries, take them through those places in Appalachia, where people have extreme poverty and pills have ravished those areas. Take them through there. And it's everywhere. Yeah. The sad thing is it's, it's everywhere now. It's not, you know, it's funny.

27:01People right off the get go, I guess because it was radio, WV that posted the original video, but like, I've never once advertised myself as being necessarily from the mountains. My grandfather grew up in western part of Virginia, the mountains, but I've, I'm from farmville, which is technically Piedmont. But even in throughout rural Virginia, that poverty is a big issue and drugs are a big issue. I mean, it's not just even in the rural areas and you go into downtown Richmond or any downtown, anywhere for that matter. It's like, it's almost like, yeah, these problems exist everywhere now that are, and I think, I mean, obviously they are because that's why the song resonated the way it did, you know, even in other countries, in other countries.

27:37Yeah. Well, people are tired of being fucked with and it seems like people in power are always fucking with people. And it's just, I think it's a natural inclination that human beings have. And I think the founding fathers of this country recognized that when they set up our government, they set up our government to protect it against tyranny. And they did it by having all these different branches of government and they're all coordinated and there's a lot of fucking, a lot of stuff that keeps people from just running it the way they want to run it like a king. Well, they, they, I mean, I'm certainly no, I'm no professional historian.

28:08But my understanding is that the federal government was never intended to be the size that it is today. Like, it's just, we're top, we're very top heavy in the way we're structured, you know, our federal government is enormous and out of control and almost impossible to manage. But then like our, our, on our community level and in our state government things are, especially local government things are just very neglected and weak and disconnected. And so like, that's why you see a lot of the problems, like we shouldn't have to rely on the federal government to fix things out in the street in small town America.

28:40Okay, like the communities in the local government should be the ones fixing that. And that's, that's the way I see things like even before the, even before our current form of government, I remember reading about like articles of confederation and that was this, an even smaller version of federal government and it needed to have a little more structure than that. But even from day one, it seems like the federal government's never supposed to be the size that it's gotten to. Like that's really, that's a good argument if the country didn't get to the size that it got. The problem is you can't have like 30 people running for three hundred billion people.

29:13But I think you could have more issues. So like I just, I don't, I don't, I think it's almost impossible. It's almost impossible for states to be able to have the control to make the right decisions for the people in their areas when the federal government limits them in so many different ways. I don't know anything about this. So I'm going to be talking out of my house. But I would imagine, hey, look, I am too low on funding too. There's probably a lot of issues, especially in places that are poor because they rely on taxes from those people. It's, it's all very complicated, but the idea of taxing the rich being the way to fix all this.

29:46No, you're just going to give more money to the government and they're not really good at doing stuff. You know, I mean, would it be nice if rich people donated to fixing streets and schools and stuff like that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it would be. Good, good call. Also, fat people shouldn't be buying fucking fudge rounds with food stamps. Yeah. Also, that's not good. And that's, and that's, that's a funny, but also, that's a conversation that sort of got blown multiple ways. And really, I, I like to let a song be left up to the interpretation of the listener. But even with that, it's like, yeah, I would love to write a song about court like I always thought it was funny just like when GM got bailed out of the recession after they made all these terrible decisions like I never understood why we, I don't, I never, I've never understood corporate welfare either too much of an extent.

30:31So I do understand the people making that argument. Well, the corporate welfare argument is you're going to lose a shitload of jobs. You can preserve those jobs, give those people a loan, they build back up, then they repaid the loan. That's what they did though. Yeah. So there's actually some benefits of that. So yeah, there's some American jobs and it also keeps one of the most iconic American car manufacturers in business. That's good for everybody. Yeah. I think it's a good, it's, it's a good conversation to have like, it is like what gets bailed out and what doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but ultimately, yeah, I do see a lot of people that aren't taking care of.

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34:08And then internet pirating came along and they lost everything. And meanwhile, these politicians are probably whacking off every day to them. That's a big industry even today. Hey, for whatever they lost during their recession, they made it back during COVID, because that's my understanding everyone was doing that then. I don't know how that works. Like, who's getting paid? I don't know how that works. I'm sure there's a lot of money in that business. There's obviously a lot of eyeballs in that business. I believe it's one third of internet traffic worldwide or something, bonkers like that. Isn't it something like that?

34:40This should be more, I don't know. Let's find out what it is. What's the percentage of what everybody's like, I don't know where it's coming from. I've never even seen one of these films. That stuff's terrible for people. It's terrible for some people. I gave that up. I think it's like a draw. Some people can handle it. That's one thing. That is one thing I had to give up. Yeah, because it's, I don't know, it does disconnect you from reality in many ways. I think a lot of the weird perversion we see coming out, sort of like now at this point you read about, I mean, I even referenced some of it in the song, of course, but you read about a lot of the weird things that people are doing that maybe wouldn't have been accepted a hundred years ago.

35:20I think people go down these rabbit holes with porn and they start off, they start off with the video with the milkman and by the end of it, it's like, where did I end? I don't know, people have to keep, it's almost like a drug. People have to keep chasing that thrill and it takes them down very destructive rabbit holes, you know, if you will, so. It definitely can for some people. I have no issue with anybody watching it, but I do hate the, I hate to read about some of the things that it does to people. It affects ruins and marriages and that kind of thing. It's like, I don't know, but I think a lot of things ruin people.

35:51I think they also should be legal. Like alcohol ruins people. I like the fact that bars are legal. Shit, I own a bar. Alcohol is legal. I like it. It's good. It's not good for everybody though. Some people drink alcohol and they lose their fucking mind. And it's not good for them whether it's genetically or whatever it is, they can't have a drink. I like a drink. You know, and I support your right to do whatever you want. Like, you know, I think if cocaine was legal, the same amount of people would probably do it. And it would be real. You'd get pure cocaine. It'd probably better. We'd probably have better music.

36:30But if you're getting this fentanyl mixed shit, and you're out of your fucking head. Yeah, well, that's the problem. Like, yeah, I mean, gosh, yeah. Look at when the government banned something. It only makes it worse. So that's certainly not the answer. I'm not interested in Adderall. I'm interested in trying it once. But I'm not interested in like doing Adderall. I am interested. I'm lying. I'm interested because everybody loves it. But I'm scared of it. The porn stats, you're right about 30%. But this is the only one I find to be odd. In 2020, 16 .5 years was the average age of first exposure to porn in the United States.

37:0216 .5? That's like, that's because your 90 -year -old people are still alive. And they do it based on them. My first time I got it moving when I was 20. Frank had a real time in the basement. We all got paired. We had we had raincoach on. That's what it is. It's like when you factor in infant mortality to the average age of people doctor in the Roman era. That's what it is. So you expected to be lower than 16 .5? I mean, yeah, should be. Yeah, should be. Yeah, you give a kid a phone. Now, um, incidentally, they, I know that was one thing that was interesting to me in Virginia. They just recently changed the law where I think you have to enter your driver's license to watch porn now.

37:46Hilarious. Now they know exactly who's watching porn. Well, that's good if you're watching some freak shit. You know, if you're into, you know, it's like, I don't know. You don't want to give the government the ability to spy on you. Yeah, you just don't. And you don't want to give, because the government is just humans. We like to think of the government as being some all -powerful, all moral, all ethical entity that controls us in a perfect and very robust and well -considered way. But that's not real. Yeah. The reality is it's human beings like you and like me and like Jamie. People, people that get to dictate what other people can and can't do.

38:25And that's where shit gets weak. Yeah, and a lot of people, I think, go into government with good intentions, but it's like anything else. Once you, I think you get in the mix, like things change and you have to, um, you have to go with the flow and sort of agree to, agree on things that maybe your heart doesn't necessarily agree with. And so that's why you see politicians constantly changing narratives, depending on like the political climate. And so, yeah, it's kind of created this big disconnect between people like you and I and people like you and I that are in government because they're not, they're not necessarily saying what they feel or what they think.

38:57They're like, let me keep my stripes just like everybody else's. So I don't stand out, you know, like, yes, there's a lot of that. There's too much money tied up in politics. Too much bribe and extortion and slap on the back deals and stuff that should never be allowed to happen like, um, yeah, that's what's really created a lot of dishonesty within it. There's a bunch of decisions that got made a long time ago that really fucked us. And one of them was when they let drug companies advertise on television. That's like, there's only two countries in the world that allow that. Really? The United States and New Zealand.

39:32Yeah, and I think it was 97. Was it 97 when they allowed it? Yeah, well, it's funny because yeah, you watch the commercial and then at the end, it's like, it's the best thing in the world. Do you get to that last 20 seconds? You're like, I don't know about that. I know you're going to cook it out. Everything looks great. Next to your asshole is fucking spraying blood and your suicidal. Yeah, like what? Yeah, like I mean, and they say it all so fast. This is how blah blah blah blah, you know, yeah, big farm, I guess, right? Suicide ideation. Rectal bleeding. Yeah, well, I mean, that's, um, like fortunately at this point in my life, I haven't been on many medications, but I went on a run with SSRI's and I can tell you from me, it's like, it's the last 20 seconds applied more than the first two minutes of the commercial.

40:16Like I didn't find any benefit in that. And it's, yeah, it's, I don't know. I think there's alternatives to, to pharmacy medicine in a lot of cases. Like maybe even if it's just habits, you know, like it's okay to prescribe a medication to, um, to keep somebody on course. They're like, you know, for example, like I, I've got a, I've got a relative of mine. I won't call them out, but he won't change the way he eats at all. But he'll take whatever medications every day to keep his, his, you know, keep the diabetes away and keep his blood sugar, blood pressure low and all that. But it's like, there should be more integration of like, hey, maybe this is like a plan of what you should do to go along with this medicine.

40:53Ideally, eventually get, it's like they don't want you to really get off the medicine though. If anything, they want you to keep taking it, right? So like, yeah, it's weird. It is weird that it's almost advertised like it's a soda or a, or a car or something, you know? Well, it's weird that, you know, people are so, we're so kind of like dependent on other people to take care of us, that we would rather go somewhere and get some medication than fix our life, than fix your lifestyle choices. And that's, and we've been programmed to sort of think that there's solutions for you out there. Go get those solutions that's not a solution.

41:30Like, internally, you need to reconsider like what you're doing to your actual physical body. Like, what are you doing to your physical body? Like, are you, are you giving your physical body the exercise that it deserves to be robust and healthy? If you're not, you should. Are you eating food that's nutritious? If you're not, you should. You know, well, and how do you do, I mean, how do you do that? Today's time anyway. If you don't have a lot of money, like, Well, you can exercise nutritious food. Oh, exercise, certainly. Yeah, but there's, there's a way to eat nutritious food on a budget, but you have to be diligent, you know, and the problem is fast food and food deserts.

42:02But if you have a supermarket, if there's a supermarket where you live, then you can get food. And if they're supermarket as food, you can get healthy food. And it's not that much more expensive. Even people that go on a carnivore diet, I know people that go on a carnivore diet on a budget and they buy, they go to Costco and go get a big tube of ground beef. And they freeze a lot of it and they cook a bunch of it, like, in portions. You know, I know. Yeah, and it's better than the crap from the store, but even it's not, like, I mean, you read about, I mean, just in the part of the country I'm at, we've got really close family of ours that farms.

42:34The father and the son have both died from cancer, from what they've been, you know, from the commercial agriculture they've been in spraying and all, like, and all that stuff ends up in the food. And you get, I've read about microplastics in the food, like, you know, you go and buy, you go and buy a tub of ground beef, like, how much plastic was in the food, that they have all the bags of crap that they threw in there to feed the animals. But it's just, it is, really, I think the only way to, in this time, in the area we're in, unless you're going to go buy really expensive food out of, like, some fancy, smanchy grocery store that I can't spell the name of, it's like, you're really better off going to somebody local and buying it direct, like, buying it almost straight from the farmer.

43:09Well, certainly, certainly if you have an organic farm near you. Yeah, definitely. But yeah, pesticides and herbicides are a real deal. Atrazine, you know, Alex Jones famously said, the turn of the frogs guy, but they are. It's, they're making them hermaphrodites, they're making them switch sexes. I mean, atrazine is a very potent endocrine disruptor, and it's a fertilizer, you know, or is it a pesticide? Pesticide. One of those leads to pesticide. Something needs to be done about it. But there's, you know, there's a lot of that shit that they spray on food. Something like 90 plus percent of people tested have glyphosate in their blood.

43:49Yeah. That's wild. I mean, that is an herbicide that they spray on stuff to keep people. Yeah, so to me, it's like, I, yeah, you can definitely eat healthy, like, but even then, like, a lot of the food today isn't very healthy, just because inherently, just because of the way it's grown. Well, there's a lot that is, there's still a lot that is, you can certainly eat healthy. Yeah. It's not easy, but neither is being sick, being sick is not easy either, man. Yeah. But just the amount of money you're, you're going to lose, but having a body that's defeating you every turn, you're always tired. You have no inspiration, you have no motivation.

44:26You can't get shit done, you know, it's one of the reasons why I can get a lot of shit done, being healthy makes, makes a giant difference. You have so much more energy than regular people. Who are just like sitting around all day, because you don't demand anything of your body. If you don't demand anything of your body, it's like good. We'll just fucking atrophy into a sack of bones and meat. Yeah, being complacent is like the worst thing for you. Physically, testing yourself is good, and then mentally, testing yourself and, and, and spending your time working towards some sort of purpose. Like, I think that's really what was, that's really what was killing me the last few years, was just, and I see this in friends and family and people I know.

45:04But even just from a mental standpoint, not spending your day working towards whatever purpose it is that you feel like you really need to accomplish deep down inside. I think that will really kill you over a period of time. Like, you know, you go work your nine to five, or whatever you come home, and then you just start swiping, start wasting your rest of your evening, like that's your, that's your time to be productive working towards whatever passion project, or hobby, or. Sure, as long as you don't enjoy your nine to five. Some people actually enjoy their nine to five, and they want to go play video games.

45:33I'm gonna try to shame them, folks. Maybe you should talk to your wife every now and again, but if you want to play Diablo 4, 3 o 'clock in the morning, I support your rights. Yeah, that's what you're hot. Yeah, that's what, yeah, and I don't even mean so much video games, but just like that mindless scrolling that I, that like I've, like I've found myself being into too. Bro, I see more people get hit by cars over the last like five months on Instagram. More people get shot, more people get malled by animals. Instagram's wild. It is wild. The shit they're allowed to show you. Yeah. And like one of them was like, it's okay.

46:04He's fine. Like that, that was like in the, like there was a big, like letter, you know, a bit print over the video of this guy get hit by a truck. Like that guy is not fine. There's not each, I'm not a medical expert. But when you get hit by a truck and launched into the windshield of an oncoming car, I guarantee you you're not fine. No, I get it. Look, I've been that guy that said, I've wasted at least an hour, sometimes in a row, watching like Russian dash cam videos, like these log and trucks flying off their own stuff. Like I don't know, there's something like that. It just gets your brain excited, you know, I don't know.

46:38Yeah, it's not good. It's very addictive. It's not good for you to see that many people die and that many people get bit by crocodiles. I see more people get bit by crocodiles. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with my algorithm. But I've seen more people get bit by crocodiles or the last six months that I have in a long -ass time. But yeah, it's mostly a waste of time. But it's also fun. There's a lot of funny videos on there. It's just a matter of being disciplined. You just got to know when you're scrolling too much. And the way I avoid that is by doing stuff. So there's a lot of stuff I do, you know, whether it's archery or plain pool.

47:07There's a lot of stuff that I do where I don't, there's no time, you're not spending any time on that. And so there's a complete different focus. Like when I'm shooting a bow, when I'm shooting at a target and I'm just practicing, my mind is empty. All I'm thinking about is a shot process. All I'm thinking about is whether or not the arrow broke clean. Did I move my shoulder? Why did that one go three inches left? Like what happened there? Was it that my elbows, my elbow up high? How's my follow -through? Okay, let's think about it and let's do it again. So that's a mind cleansing thing. Yoga class is like that.

47:43If you can get to find a good hot yoga class, man, when you're fucking standing there, holding on to one foot and one foot is extended, you're hobbling around on one leg. Bitch, you ain't thinking about jack shit. But what do you do? Well, that does a good job of connecting you to your body too, which is something maybe we're not very good at either. It's very good for people. Yoga is like one of, if I had one thing to recommend, someone has never done any exercise before, please try yoga. Don't hurt yourself. Go slow, because a lot of people do hurt themselves. Oh, yeah, I can't imagine he trying to do that.

48:11One of my friends who's a doctor said that yoga is like one of the main people that it's yoga and jiu -jitsu, he said, people that come in to see him for treatment. But jiu -jitsu makes sense. It's literally a sport of trying to break off. Yoga, you think it'd be the opposite of anything. Yeah, I've pulled muscles in yoga. Yeah, you're doing hard stuff, but hot yoga, I think, is a little better for that, because it really does warm your body up almost instantly. And then, like, if you do the beacroom series, I know that guy was a creep, but if you do the series, it's not even, I don't believe he didn't even invented that series of opposes, I think he just popularized it.

48:44And they're all extended yoga poses, but that series is designed very well to get you really warmed up. So by the time you get into more complicated and challenging movements, your body's pretty warmed up. It's a good system. It's fucking hard, man. A 90 -minute hot yoga class of 105 degrees is a motherfucker. That sounds great for the, sounds like a great walk away from that, the feeling you get. Oh, you feel so relaxed. That is one thing I'm looking forward to now is like, continuing to focus on mental health in that area, but also, like, I'm excited to get into better shape physically. And just like the only thing I've done in the last six months at all is running.

49:23We were planning on trying to schedule a run in September that I think was like 10 miles or something. So there's a friend of mine that I've been running with, you know, two or three days a week. And even that, just whatever's on your mind when you start, it's gone by the time you leave. You know, it's just, it's something good about like getting everything connected again, but music is big for me on that too. You know, that's just getting your plane and instrument singing like you're just, everything's all one again. You know, it's very easy, especially, and maybe because of social media and because of the way technology, I don't know what it is that I'm certainly no doctor -fill, but it's like the world we live in the day, your mind is very easily disconnected from like your body physically.

50:04Like it's, you can get lost, just worrying and thinking and doing and, you know, it's good to have something like that. I guess just have groundings the word or whatever. I don't know, but it's good to have something like that to like get you back in the reality again. Yeah, my belief is that all human beings need something creative. Whether that's something creative is a game that you play, that you get to like invent moves or think about things and strategies, or whether that game, or whether that creativity expresses itself in music or in in illustrative drawing, painting, something. I think people really get a great satisfaction out of making things and of creating things.

50:40Well, sure, and everyone's good at something. That's what's great. Oh, I'd say almost everyone's good at something. I know some people. Well, maybe they haven't figured out what it is, but you know, like you'd be, that's one thing I've enjoyed over the years with like what I've done in the past is meeting all these different people. Even if it's like, you'd be surprised at how unique people are and what they're able to do and what like, I don't know, everyone seems like they have that one thing. Maybe they look, maybe even if it's something that they had as a kid that they lost along the way, but like people are, people are really good at shit and sometimes you underestimate people and people don't spend the time they need to develop the craft it is they have.

51:13It's also, sometimes people don't find a thing early on in their life where they get into it. You know, so if they don't have a thing ever, it's very difficult for them to gravitate towards a something. But that's what taking class, that's like martial arts classes are great for that. Because all of a sudden you're learning this new thing and it's exciting. Like, oh my god, it's Monday night. We're gonna go to Jiu -Jitsu class. You got your little white belt on, you're tying it, you're like, oh, you're freaking out. But afterwards you feel like, wow, I really did something. I really challenged my fears.

51:42I really took like a class and I'm learning some stuff and I'm doing it with other people that are learning and I'm making new friends. Like, there's something really cool about that. And that's also a thing that people need that they don't have is like a real community. You know, like feeling of community. You know, like one of the nice things about comedians is that we all work together. So this is like this feeling, this is real feeling of community. We go on the road together, we travel to different countries together. Like all the guys that I go on the road with, we're friends. Like, we hang, we laugh.

52:11We're just, we're having drinks and having dinners places and just everywhere you go, you're with family. It's beautiful. It's beautiful in that way. If you don't have that, man, if you don't have a thing that you really, like, where you're really like connected to like -minded people, it sucks. It's not fun, you know? It's like, maybe the friends that you have are all fucked up and they're going in the wrong direction and try to pull you with them. Maybe your job sucks. Like, you have to be careful who you're keeping your social circle because you'll end up just like them, you know? Well, you have to be careful of energy vampires.

52:42There's people that are energy vampires and they'll steal from you. They really will. They'll steal from you. They'll steal, they don't want to do the work, but they want you to do the work for them. Like, they want you to be involved in everything that they're doing even though they're not making any changes and they want to drag you in and they want it to be the focus of all the attention and you really find out after a while that if you were around positive people, then all of a sudden you're uplifted and you have all this energy. Yeah, and it's funny how that works. No. Yeah, it's just all that stuff kind of goes on behind the scenes and you don't really think about it.

53:15Yeah, one thing that really benefited me like even in my early 20s on, a lot of my friends seem to be older. One of my best friends, he's in his, he's probably, I'm 31, he's probably in his mid 40s and then everyone above them's like, my best drinking buddy for years, he's like 65, 66. I love hanging out with older people though because they're just, they're a lot wiser in there. Some of them. Well, well, you have to, I mean, you have to choose. Yeah, this of old dummy too. So it's okay if I'm hanging out with dummies, but yeah, I like hanging out with older people like they just, and you hear, if reconnects you back to like, I don't know, they've just experienced so much more than you ever could in that extra 20 years or whatever, 10 years.

53:58It's like, those are the kind of people you want to surround yourself with, they're people that are going to, that are more experienced than you more wise, people that you can aim toward being. Certainly not people that are immature or are on a bad streak or even like, now like I'm trying, I'm cutting out the drinking and like said, I haven't gotten high. And almost, I guess almost two months now, a month and a half or two months. That was your problem. I was the weed. Yeah, it was a, well, the problem for me was, I knew that I needed to do this. Like I knew I needed to, I procrastinated with music a long time.

54:34I mean, I'm 31. I've been playing guitar and singing on and off since I was a kid. Like my grandma was in a band years ago. And so I remember as a little kid, what got me interested in all of it was, Dukes of Hazard when I was a kid. I was like, five. And I used to sit with my grandma and we'd sit and watch Dukes of Hazard and watch Whalen Jennings pick that guitar. Of course, I had no idea who Whalen Jennings was, but that just like, I just fell in love with that. And so grew up listening to like that 70s country and she loved all the old stuff, like the 50s and 60s and even in the 70s, even, you know, Janice and all that.

55:06And so like she really introduced me a lot in the music when I was a little kid. And so like I just kind of held onto it, but never, never pursued it the way I should. And then I'd play it a bonfire party or I'd play it whatever it's a friend's house. And everybody's like, man, you got to do something with this. You're, you know, you don't want to waste this talent you've got and whatever. And that would almost make me feel even shittier because I'm like, oh, man, I suck. Like I'm such a piece of crap for not doing something with this. And so yeah, like when I was outside of work, it's like I would just, I would just, I'd drink.

55:34I'd get just absolutely stone. And I would just sit around and try to think about anything but what it was that I really needed to be doing, which was like, and so it's kind of like funny, but that's ended up what kind of sparked me and it like writing all these songs and doing all this stuff because it's like, I don't know, just like with you probably with something what you did you did to or whatever it's like, for me, songwriting is, it gets my head, like you said, getting your head clear. You know, because that's all you can, and songwriting is interesting for different people. But now that I've been in it, I guess I know that I've been in the industry for two weeks and I've talked to like, not that you've been in the industry and conquered it.

56:09Now that I'm an industry expert, it's like some of the other musicians I've talked to, like the people I've looked up to over the years, they experience this too, but certain people when you songwrite, it's a very, it's a, it's dramatic. Like, do you write all your own songs? Yeah, but it's, it's, have you been accused of not writing your own songs? Very early on, yeah, because since my state, I guess it's not even my stage name, it's Oliver Anthony Music. And so it's supposed to represent music from, you know, Oliver Anthony Music as my, my grandfather. And so you grew up in the 30s in the mountains and used to tell all these wild stories about how life was back then.

56:42But the music's just sort of a characterization of like that period and time and those people, you know, and that's. So yeah, when, when, so your real name is not all Chris? Yeah, Christopher, Christopher Anthony wants to use my real legal name. And so that's what's on like, like if you look up the songwriting, why did you decide this thing is Oliver Anthony? Just in, well, it's like I said, I have it. I just had the, the YouTube channel listed as Oliver Anthony Music just because like that's sort of, that's sort of the demeanor or the, like I said, the character I was rep, like that older, Virginia style music.

57:15Like if you look, if you go on YouTube and you look up that type of music from back then, like there's old recordings of people, like that's, that's what I just love that type of stuff. Do you think you're going to keep that name? Yeah, I mean, I mean, a lot of people still call me Chris and I've posted on social media, call me would, I mean, I've been called a lot worse than either of those things. But yeah, it'll, it'll stay Oliver Anthony Music indefinitely. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a special name. And it's a special name to me, not only because it was my grandfather's name, but it's, it's sort of like, to me, it reminds me of how much, how different things were back then.

57:45But he was born Oliver Anthony, but everybody called him Anthony growing up. And so like, he always thought his name was Anthony Oliver. And last name, Engle. And so like, it wasn't until he was in his 60s and going to retire. He realized that his name didn't match. His birth certificate. So he had to actually change his legal name when he was in his 60s. But it's because back then he thought his name was Anthony Oliver. Yeah, and so but his legal name was, and so it's, yeah, and his parents named him. So it's just like, but all the paperwork back then was so scattered up because a lot of people were illiterate.

58:19And of course, documents weren't tracked as well as they are now. You know, and so it's like, there's people in the family that have a different spelling. And it's the same last name, but a few letters are different. It's just kind of cool, like, but he just, he just thought that was crazy. He had to change his name. And he was 65. He could draw his retirement now because his social security and everything was under a totally different name. But so it's just special to me. He was, he's like the only other one in the family like me. Most of our families like average height, six feet and under. But he and I were both, you know, six, six, red headed, left handed.

58:50Like I just, I don't know in a lot of ways. I just, I thought it was special to kind of respect him. He passed away in 2019. And that's kind of when I, I guess that's when I first kind of adapted the name for the music. I didn't really get serious with anything until probably. Two years ago. Yeah. Until a couple of weeks ago, probably until I think I uploaded the first original, like when I was, when I decided I was in it to win it. And I really wanted to make this thing happen. It was probably about it. Yeah, probably May of last year when I uploaded, ain't got a dollar. Or it might have been Rich Man's goal was the first one I uploaded on YouTube.

59:21But that's when I decided like, all right, I'm, I'm doing this thing. But yeah, so you were just smoking too much. We drink it too much and just procrastinating. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so that, and, you know, like, anxiety is definitely something that's underestimated. You know, I used to laugh about, not laugh about, but I used to just not really understand when people talked about mental health and anxiety, because everyone gets stressed out over stuff. And so you think of anxiety as being just like this normal phenomenon everyone deals with, but your, your mind can really put you in a dark place to where that thing is just like, it just holds on to you.

59:55Like a, you know, and it just makes it very difficult for you to do anything. And so yeah, I spent at least two years of my life almost constantly just having what felt like just a knot right here, just, just wrenching at me, you know. Well, that's especially true for people that are pursuing a non -traditional life, you know, with, that doesn't have any guarantees. It's, it's a wild life to try to be an entertainer. Like to, just to choose to try to make it in this wild world of people that are singing and making songs, and you want people to be attention to you. Like, do you know how many fucking people are singing?

1:00:30How many people can sing? How many people are recording things? And now with YouTube and, and the like, how many people are putting stuff up on the internet for the people to enjoy? It's a lot. Well, not, you're gonna stand out so that you're filled with anxiety just because of that because you're, this future's uncertain. Yeah, I think for me a lot of it, a lot of the anxiety came from me just feeling like I was running out of time. Like I knew that, um, I knew that I had an ability to pursue this and kind of take this adventure on. And I just had kept, like I said, for 10 years or more. I'd just, I'd pick the thing up for a few months and then I'd put it down.

1:01:03And it just always doubting myself, you know? Yeah. Well, I think it's, uh, I mean, the universe in some weird way always sort of finds, like for people that becomes very successful, especially like yourself. It's almost like that's the best way to do it. Like I've never met anybody where I was like, your way to do it isn't the wrong way to do it. Like everybody that I meet that becomes successful, especially like overnight people. It's like, oh, I see all these fat. Well, that's why you're good. That's why you're good. You're good because you had a real life, like a real tortured, regular life, like regular people.

1:01:44If you're in the fucking Mickey Mouse Club when you're 14 and then all say, you're famous to me. I mean, I love Miley Cyrus to death and she's fucking insanely talented. And I heard her new albums are best ever. Everybody's raving about it. But I feel bad for people that become famous when they're young. I just feel like that's a heavy burden for you to have to carry and you didn't ask for it. You can't ask for it. You don't know what it is. It's like, you know, it's like in the face tattoo in your five. Yeah, I'm like in a heart tattoo to my forehead. Let everybody know I'm full of love. Like, okay, Billy, let's take you to tattoo park.

1:02:21Like I want to be famous so everybody knows me. Okay, Billy, let's get you in front of TV. Yeah, and it's tough because yeah, because then everyone's perception of everything's different anyway based off the way they were brought up. Like, you know, the way you and I look at something, we both look at something a certain way. And it's our way of looking at it into us. That's reality. But everyone's perception is just different just inherently. Just based off the way we were raised and maybe even our genetics and the way our things we've experienced are the way our parents taught us things. And so like, yeah, it's it's I don't it is tough if you get thrown into that at such an early age because this is just such a I feel bad for anybody that gets thrown into all this anyway.

1:03:00Like the things I've seen and heard and witnessed and just in a couple of weeks. You need to do this and you got to do that. Yeah, but that's just people's crazy sense of this almost crazy sense of urgency everyone's sort of thrown on me to do something with this and it's like I don't. Yeah, at the end of the day, I've got to I've got to remember who I was, you know, a month ago and I've got to make sure that I, you know, and it's okay to evolve from that and change in like I don't I don't want always be stuck being that guy. But I don't want to like leave him behind either, you know, I don't want to just be yourself.

1:03:31You're going to be fine. This is like this conversation that we had over the phone. I said, fuck all those urgent people. You have talent. You have talent. You don't need anything else but talent. Talent and authenticity. You got both of those things. This urgency thing. What the fuck are they talking about? You literally had the number one song like instantly. Well, you can't do that again. How the fuck do you know? You don't know jack shit. These people are crazy. They don't understand what's going on and they don't understand what it's like to be famous. You are in the world. I think what's so weird about what you need to do right now is just keep being you.

1:04:05And don't let anybody control you and don't let anybody wrap. And certainly don't let anybody put you on some crazy publicity campaign to try to capitalize on this. Great moment and immediately get some large record machine behind you and mask. Well, that's yeah, because that really goes against the whole message that I wanted to get out in the first place. And so yeah, what would it benefit me to sign a big deal or have some like I don't know as busy as things get. I don't know that I'd ever let anybody even manage my social media and stuff like that's just something that I'd like to have the hand on.

1:04:37And then if you know I do mine. I do all mine. Yeah, I don't want anybody doing my shit. Well, I think like just like we talked about earlier, your show in general the reason people watch it isn't you know you could you could add more people in and have more have more special effects and lights and what it you know figuratively speaking like you could make you could make this into something bigger than what it already is. But it would just it would just take away like sometimes the more you add the more you take away. It's the fact that you have conversations with people that you're genuinely interested in like.

1:05:05We don't have enough real conversation in any any way in the world like we're very little I had never had a Twitter account. And so I made one a couple weeks ago to like start uploading every so you got to get on X and upload all the stuff. And within like a week I'm like okay I get I get it like I'm tapping out. Yeah, I don't read any of my stuff on Twitter. I do post occasionally. You know what I do like to do is repost things that I think are interesting. I do like that. Yeah, well thanks. I appreciate it. Well, that's Instagram I put that up on. Yeah, but yeah, a lot of people liked it. I think on my account alone it had more than let me just tell you how many views it had.

1:05:46I want to say it's somewhere around 11 million views. I was explaining to someone the other day. I was like, do you know how insane that is? Like that you could put something up that this guy just made 12 .8 million views. Wow. That's bonkers dude. That's bonkers. That's a lot of fucking human beings. That's a lot of human beings. Yeah, so I've had to ask myself why that happened the way it did. And look, I've said this a hundred times already, but I'm certainly no preach. People have made comments about like, oh, well, why does he read scripture or whatever and talks about God, but then he does other things.

1:06:23Like I do have some foul language and I do sing some songs that I've written about whatever, getting high and hanging out in the woods. It's just what I am. Like I'm not here to say that I'm anybody better than anybody else by any means. Oh, didn't God invent the woods and weed? Yeah, well, there you go. I don't believe anybody that tells the God doesn't want you to have weed. I do want to, I do want to use, if there's anything I'd like to capitalize on with my opportunity, it's just like, because for me, just being in the position that I've been in the last two years and just the trash I've had in my head is, I tell you like, I don't care who, and look, I haven't been in a church in 10 years and I'm not saying I'd ever go back into one again.

1:07:03I don't know about all that, but there's a lot of things in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that make sense and are timeless to the day. Like if people just could find, if people could just have enough open mind and just read a little bit of Proverbs and just see what it has to say, I think like it would make the world a better place. There's a lot of truth in those words. They don't just talk about, it's real life advice that I work toward every day applying in my own life. So was there like a moment with you, because I've read the legend story, I didn't want to ask you this in live in person. Was there a moment when you had like a literal come to Jesus moment, where you realized you were at rock bottom?

1:07:45Yeah, I mean... What was going on? Yeah, I was at a point where I was having... Man, I don't even think I'd call it panic attacks. It was just like... Everything was just so screwed up. I was getting chest pains and shooting pains all done into my... Like I was having almost cardiovascular symptoms that are just... I guess now I realize there's stress and anxiety related, but I really thought I was going to die. Holy shit. This is why you're drinking a lot? Well, I think maybe the weed was even causing some of that. I was slamming down... We can grow it in Virginia now, so I grew a lot of pounds of weed last year.

1:08:28And so I've got... And I don't even know what I'm going to do with it all now, but... You sell that on eBay. I've got... Sell it in your truck. You can buy us a burger. Yeah, I'll save it for hard times. If you come to Virginia, the back of the suburban will be packed. That's legal. The back of the suburban will be packed with as much weed that is legal to sell. But yeah, I had grown some crazy stuff and we're smoking it. All over Anthony weed brand. We're in. Let's go. Yeah, let's go. Hold Cogans guys on weed brand. Why don't you? We'll talk about all that, the growing, because I am intrigued with the growing.

1:09:02But yeah, to your point, it was like... I just almost disconnected from reality. I don't want to say I was having like... I was never psychotic or having like... You're freaking out. I was very disassociated from like my reality. I can remember just being around really close friends having dinner one night. You know, you get warm and fuzzy feelings being around people you care about. Yeah. And everything was just ice cold. Like I just tried. It was almost like I just tried to feel something other than what I was feeling. What were you thinking during these times? I was thinking that... Like what was the state of your life?

1:09:39I was thinking like that I was gonna... I was thinking like... See, I don't know. Suicides a weird thing because... And I can't speak for everybody, but for me like... It wasn't that I ever wanted to kill myself. Like I knew I wanted to keep trying to fight and get out of whatever it is I was in. But it was almost like... At some point I thought I was gonna do it almost as a fight or flight response. Like that I couldn't escape whatever it is that I was in. And like that was my own... That was gonna eventually be my only way out. And so as sad and as whatever... Like I hate even talking about this, but I feel like I should talk about it.

1:10:13I mean where else to talk about it but on Joe Rogan. But it's like that was one of the things that compelled me to throw a lot of these videos up just off my phone. You know, like it's funny when I had... When I had those songs... And maybe I still do. I haven't looked at the charts in a week or whatever. But I had stuff on iTunes that was like in the top two or three spots other songs. Those were just recorded off my Android phone uploaded on YouTube. I ripped the wave file off the YouTube video and then just uploaded through distro kid. And so like people were buying... Like the number two song on iTunes at one point...

1:10:43I think it was ain't got a dollar. And that's just the audio from the YouTube video. But I wanted to get all those... I had a lot of these songs... So it's from microphone from the phone? From my Android camera? From my front camera on my Android phone. And so like I... Sounds pretty good. I wanted to get all that up though because I didn't... I really didn't know... Like I didn't know if I was going to be around to do it. Keep pausing that for a second. Let's listen to that. I want to hear that. If you don't get freaked out and uncomfortable listening your own voice. That's okay. No. No, I like it.

1:11:13I like it. Because I want to hear what it sounds like. This would be the... Yeah, they ain't got a dollar of the original version is a good example.

1:11:27Recording off of Android phones might be the new thing. You can tell it's very mono. Give me authentic. Recording off of Android phones.

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1:12:15Listen man, you don't gotta listen to nobody. Tell them all to eat shit. Shut the fuck off. You can do whatever you want man. You just keep doing that. You can do that. But you just keep doing that and do concerts. That's what got me uploadin the songs originally. I was like, I'll just go ahead and get something out there and then I mean man I was taking Asperin every day thinking like I was gonna have a heart attack It was just I was having like all this crap So what was it when you were recording these things in releasing them? What was the hope the hope was the people that would enjoy on the hope?

1:12:45Yeah, I was just trying to leave I was just trying to leave him out for the world in case like Case you died. Yeah, in case I I guess in case either I died from a heart attack or a huge these songs would be if you died I think that's like the the most horrible rumor about Jimmy Hendricks is that his manager It was like a gangster had him killed his manager had him killed because It made him more of a leg as he was gonna leave and he owned the music while Jimmy was alive and if Jimmy died He would get the music and yeah, and they killed him. Yeah, maybe I maybe I thought like I figured like that was the only thing I had that was worth anything and so Like if I was gonna be a shitty enough person to like leave you know leave a kid behind and like Whatever my family and whatever else.

1:13:31It's like at least there'd be something there from then to be able to capitalize on and make Well, you was your bad feelings come from did they come from a lack of hope for your future? Did you have like a sense of what would what would make you happy? What you were missing you know like it's was just the mind is the mind is Well, and for like I guess I'm a creative person. I guess you'd say and so like for creative people in general Life is very imaginative anyway, so like again, it's like you and I could go to the same restaurant Sit down order the same meal have the same waitress identical everything right in a parallel time and You and I would walk out of that restaurant noticing different things Experiencing it completely different like the mind perceives things individually, right?

1:14:17And so like when you get into a bad headspace like that Your perception of what would otherwise be good things can become very bad and I don't know I don't know the best way to explain it because I'm not well versed on psychology or anything like that But that's the best way I can explain it is like You don't understand sometimes what people are going through even from the outside in you know You look at people who are not living life right and you're like I just wish he just get his shit together I don't understand why he's doing that It's like because maybe in his head what he's looking at is totally different than what you're looking at I know it's the mind's very complicated, you know, and we My understanding is even now with all the studies we've done and the technology we have like we understand the mind very little But there's so much that goes into it and like so much of our thoughts come from our gut biome and all like there's just There's millions of living things within us that I think influence the way we think and what we do and it's You know, it's a very complicated thing.

1:15:12So yeah, it's easy for people to get to get off track and You know, it's hard to get back on the track when you get off Like it really took that's why I say like I was really just Even though I it was on paper things were great, right? Like I was married things were like I had a I have a great marriage. I had a good job Like I worked my ass off, but I made good money and what we doing for work So the last six years I've been in industrial sales so I worked outside sales for Just I was in the I was in the industry like work in factory work when I was younger had a bad accident Couldn't go back to that job and then during that recovery period I went to work.

1:15:53I don't kind of say I don't know if I can say the place or not You don't have to say the place. Okay. What was the accident? I fell and hit my head. Oh Yeah, I had internal I had it like an internal fracture I remember riding in the ambulance on the way I'd had seizures and all and passed out at the I was it's weird Because I can remember laying there remember the Ambulance in the EMT people coming in there by around me talking to me But like I could hear him, but I was just kind of in a dream And I do remember waking up in the ambulance on the ride I had like I had I remember I had blood coming out of my ear and maybe out of my out of my mouth or my nose But I remember I had blood on my I went and reached and I had blood on my face I had it was clean shaving then but And I asked the guy in the back with me in the ambulance I'm like man, I was like is everything am I going to be all right or what and he's like buddy We're doing the best weekend.

1:16:41I'm like oh shit. Oh sure and that messed me up pretty bad. I was in the hospital I was in the hospital for two or three days But even like for the next year after that my memory was trash I had really bad balance issues like it was difficult for me It just kind of jacked everything up I had a lot of inflammation and stuff in my brain and But that kind of and I question whether or not that had a lot to do with my mental health issues Like I've talked I've met a lot of people just even at the I've done I've done four shows so far and they've all been like intimate settings And so like I've taken hours after each one to talk to everybody to give everybody a chance to talk and I've talked to another guy who had a bad head injury and and Has dealt with something really similar to me But I almost wonder if that didn't affect that that kind of knocked a few screws lose upstairs with like every everything else It's went on, but I tell you like the thing it so you got depressed after that Yeah, for sure.

1:17:34Yeah before then I was totally fine. Yeah 100 % they're connected. Yeah. Yeah 100 % I mean it might not be the only factor that led you down that road But 100 % that's a major symptom of fighters when fighters get knocked out when football players get knocked out depression Major symptom. Mm -hmm. Major symptom. That's one of the real dangers of head trauma There's a lot of people who have had severe head trauma that Go to take their own lives afterwards. Yeah, and looking back I think that could be a big part of it because I look back into my 20s and a lot of it was very dark And that's after that for sure.

1:18:09Yeah, I guarantee you they're connected guarantee you and I guarantee you like if you got your System like if you had really good health care. They could they could find some issues with your endocrine system a lot of times with People that have really bad head injuries their pituitary gland gets damaged And your body's not producing hormones correctly anymore And you just all fucked up your quarters all levels are all fucked Yeah, cuz I would say that was the thing It was almost like my brain was stuck in like this fight or flight type of thing And maybe that's what the writing helped because the writing helped like It helped emphasize that more creative part of my brain to get me out of that headspace But I love my job.

1:18:47I did because I was still in the fields I was still on job sites and industrial plants and hospitals meet and so like I I guess the reason that I've the reason I feel like other than just defiant really divine influence Again, based off of just the experience. I've had the last 60 days with my faith and stuff Which is just and I'd love to touch on that some too, but I've had so many conversations with people the last six or seven years because it was my job to go Almost kind of like how you talk to people in here every day I was going around and talking to Joe Shmo and Billy on job sites all day and and every every walk of life not just blue collar like And so like those are some just very authentic conversations you have with people because you're just a guy And they're just a guy and you're just talking and so you can still have those the same you can still have the same The same message kept coming across Which is really what I guess I resonated in this song, but they're just people are just so tired and yeah So yeah, I think I think being in that position sort of gave me this unfair advantage to to look into the world maybe On the inside and I don't think it's unfair at all I think it's probably I mean if you wanted to believe in fate You know, I don't believe in fate, but I should if anybody should I should believe in fate I've had pretty lucky life Yeah, you have yeah, I don't necessarily think it's real though But I also think if you believe it's real I think there's a lot of things if you believe it's a lot of what's going on with human beings is the way the mind proceed And it's kind of the software you're running.

1:20:22That's why we seek out people who are inspirational Like if you watch a David Goggin's video you will go You will go work out it will get you off your couch if you I guarantee you when we were running That's we would we were joking we were saying David Goggin's quotes all you're running about carrying the boats and all that Yeah, who's gonna carry the boats David's the fucking man and there's another guy Jocco Willink Jocco Jocco has of he has a video find Jocco good find that video There's a video that I 100 % legitimately play in my mind when I'm tired. I say good. I say it to myself Like I was in the cold plunge the other day and I was being a bitch at like two minutes and 30 seconds And I was like good listen to this video.

1:21:07Have you ever heard this? It's amazing. I don't think I have Direct subordinates one of my guys that work for me. He would he would call me up or pull me aside with some major problems Some issue that was going on Any tape I also got this and that the other thing and I look at him and I say good And finally one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having some problem and He said I already know what you're gonna say I said, well, what am I gonna say he said you're gonna say good Said that's what you always say when something is wrong and going bad you always just look at me and say good And I said well, yeah when Things are going bad There's gonna be some good that's gonna come from it Didn't get the new high -speed gear we wanted good didn't get promoted Good More time to get better Oh mission got canceled good we can focus on the other one didn't get funded didn't get the job you wanted Got injured spray my ankle got tapped out good got beat good You learned Unexpected problems good we have the opportunity to figure out a solution That's it when things are going bad Don't get all bummed out don't get startled don't get frustrated

1:22:42If you can say the word good Guess what It means you're still alive It means you're still breathing and if you're still breathing Well now you still got some fight left in you So get up dust off reload recalibrate reengage Go out on the attack

1:23:17That's what's up hmm yeah, I love that yeah That's software you can run in your mind You could run that you just need to listen to it and then apply That's real now if you don't know that software and if you know that there's a human being like jaco out there in the world That's a real person that really does think like that That you don't think it's possible, but it is so you have to be seen it So you see it now you know Run that software run that software I don't know how much of people's depression I mean, I think depression has a mosaic of problems that's associated with it And a mosaic mosaic of causes like a large pattern just a lot of stuff going on The cause of people to be depressed some of it in your case may very well have been from a physical injury And I think I think that's a big I never considered that until now.

1:24:10So I think it's I think it's 100 % Yeah, 100 % because it's it's totally in the literature You know my my good friend dr. Mark Gordon. He does a lot of work with traumatic brain injury patients and He runs the he runs this wounded warriors found it so it's called What is it called? What is his his the thing that he works with those guys warrior angels and it's Helping people with traumatic brain injuries and he's helped countless soldiers fighters football players always people And it's real similar with a lot of them. Yeah, and that's no hope and and exactly and that's and I guess that's the that's the thing that I've learned from this um Again from 18 -year -old Chris that thought a lot of that was just made up and people have given excuses like to what I've To understand now about is again, it it feels Those that that place that your mind can take you it feels just as real as anything else like even if you tell yourself like you can tell yourself a hundred times that Oh, yeah, well, you still got a job.

1:25:17You still have everything's fine. It's like if I don't know it's Your perception of reality becomes very distorted when you're in that place and it's um Again for me, I think a lot of it came down that I just knew I wasn't fulfilling whatever purpose it was I was We hear to fulfill, you know, you probably didn't have any energy because you had a head injury It's probably a major factor in it. Yeah, major factor. It's another major factor in people with head injuries They drink a lot because their dopamine is really low You know like it fucks up everything that and there's people that have traumatic brain injuries That are subcursive trauma from playing soccer People play soccer and heading the ball.

1:25:58It doesn't even hurt But you've wraddle throttle your brain in the cage over and over and over again and eventually you have TBI That's real You have real Like CTE symptoms for soccer players And it's crazy, but the head is just not designed to get hit yeah, and I've I've experienced it with so many fighters So many guys that I know they got knocked out and then after the knockout though It's severely depressed both because they lost it was like it's even if you lose by a decision you get depressed Yeah, it's a terrible feeling to lose in front of the whole world Well sure Yeah, I mean just law inherent loss and a lot of animals is a does that you know And that's a whole another conversation But one thing I did find from Jordan Peterson talking about the lobsters It makes me think about the fighters, but it's like you lose that dopamine and that drive all those chemicals are very tightly regulated to your To your performance and your play sort of within the world.

1:26:49What do you say about the lobsters again? Um, so if uh, yeah, if two lobsters fight the defeated lobster He loses his drive and dopamine. He's like there's some ridiculous Chance that he won't win another fight like he'd basically just becomes a bum lobster When's he loses but they can give they can give them the same medications that they give humans To combat that like whatever anti -depress or whatever And then there's the lobster lobsters Then they're out there fighting. We know they give SSRIs to um Like I've got some close friends in veterinary medicine. They they have uh cats and dogs that take SS like It just freaked out cats and dogs.

1:27:25But I can tell you my experience with SSRIs were not pleasant like All it did was just make me very numb like just just like the can't like and I'm not I'm certainly like again I'm not giving anybody advice on anything but just in my personal experience Especially for a guy when you're on SSRIs it does a lot of things bad to you for one like If you're in a relationship, I like I hear this on both sides with men and women but like Good luck good luck like how making love with your with your lover like good luck having sex because that's out the window It messes with that it messes with your um with your thought with your thought patterns and takes away I give it was very difficult for me to write music when I was on it and so I that was a short live life, but um The the best thing that I found that helped me other than just then just jumping into this and um Making this music happen like along the way was actually I found a lot of benefits out of CBD like even smoking CBD flower um and so like that Surprisingly like I never really got benefits from the oil, but I'd say if anybody is In a position like listening to this right now where you're having like daily panic attacks and you're just like You're you're just there, you know, like if you're listening and you'll know what I'm talking about But you're at that like breaking point like I was uh I found smoking CBD joints Like not ingesting it where we go through my system go through my liver and I'll be smoking it just like he would smoke Traditional cannabis flower Shoo knocked a lot of it right out.

1:28:53Interesting. No, it's not gonna fix it There's an underlying issue that you got to figure out in a dress, but it'll at least give you some like it gave me some very good relief from that That's amazing. That's really really good to hear for people because it doesn't get you high either Though I doesn't get you high. Yeah, but it it reduces information Yeah, um have you tried adjusting your diet? Well, I'm good now. That's what's that's what's so funny like since this is all happened Haven't had like I'm telling you again. I'm not top of the world. Well Yeah, but even before it like it I have to be careful with what I say because I don't like my shit stinks like I'm nobody special and I'm not here to preach any Body, but I'm telling you like Given things to God for me alleviated 99 % of what like I had a like I don't know how to describe it, but when you when you experience and I mean you've done things that I haven't like with DMT and all and that So it's very intriguing to me and so I'm open -minded to all that as well like I'm not but Yeah, like I had when this when I kind of had this breakdown moment and Decided that I was going to let whatever ego I had go and just at this point is like I knew I didn't have much left in for me Anyway, and I wanted I wanted to serve whatever purpose it was that I was here to serve It's like you get this just overwhelming feeling and you know, I Just crying like a baby just this very like warm feeling throughout me and that That really hasn't gone away since like I I'm not the guy that can play in front of 12 ,000 people on guitar.

1:30:27I would be like I mean I had never played a paid gig when we when we played the show at the farm market where Jamie Johnson showed up That was my first paid gig like I'm not a guy to go out and play live shows, but I can tell you I was so like I was just so at peace being up there Like it just felt like that's where I was supposed to be and that and with all this it has been like there's no way that Chris From six months ago could handle what's gone on the last two weeks, but I feel just so empowered from all of it and I don't know. I'm telling you like Again, I'm not I'm not anybody special and I'm certainly not here to preach anybody But just from coming from somebody who was just really just in a really just fucked up place Like and I use that word just like with discretion, but in this case it describes like where I was like That guy found a lot of peace like from this book and from looking at things in a different way Yeah, I'm looking at things through the I think for me it was like I had been in you know I'd been in church growing up and I had been I had been exposed all that but I'd found a lot of A lot of theatrics and a lot of politics and church and in religion when I was younger and so it just immediately turned me off to So if you can take us to like what was like the day you picked it up What what was the feeling that you had like what caused you to act what What was it like when you did it?

1:31:50Yeah, I mean, I'd been reading it here and there often on and I had for it like often on for a long time like because I again, I was introduced to it as a kid, but it was really just like um I remember I'd went to the I went to the ER for everything that was going on I mean, I thought I was seriously gonna die like I was having shooting pains up under my jaw down in my wrist and my leg like just Cardiovascular 101 symptoms. Of course, I'm 31. I had been like I could run four miles without stopping no problems like I knew my heart was strong, but I just freaking out Yeah, but I went and did that and I remember being in the truck after that just like And I just yeah, I just had a breakdown moment.

1:32:36I was just just crying and um, which is just I just felt hopeless like like almost the way a child feels hopeless when like you know like you can't find your parent or Something like a like a four -year -old that can't find his parents or something. I was just like Just didn't have anything left in me and um I don't know I just uh I just decided like right then and there. I was like I know I can't do this anymore and but I know I know that I can I know there's things that I need to do and I just I was just to just told God I was like just let me do it like and I'll give all this shit up I'll give up the weed and I'll quick it and drunk and I'll quit I'll quit being so angry about things and I'll just like Well, I'll just call it good whatever I've done up from from up until I was 30 or whatever 31 like I will just call that good and I'll start over again and um I'll make him the focus and not me and I just tried to try to let my let my ego and everything that I was Just let that go and just focus on because obviously like It's not just me.

1:33:45I've seen it with even other people I know and I see it with celebrities and everything but I don't know. I just feel like um We're in such a weird place right now in the world that I feel like God's working through inadvertently through certain people to get To get his point across um, so take me to what what you did just start reading the Bible like what did you do? I just changed my perspective um You changed you I quit worrying about me and I started worrying about what what it is that I'm supposed to do You know, like it talks in the Bible about um about being a servant and you know giving up I guess my desire and my will and whatever it is that I that I want to do like um, I Don't know the best way to describe it, but it's about It's about trying to use what I have as a tool versus Doing what I can in the moment to give what give myself whatever satisfaction that it is.

1:34:42I'm trying to get you know It's about letting trying to let go of your ego. I guess in a way um And I mean people people pursue that mentality without Faith I mean, it's the idea of there being something bigger than you But I think inherently all human beings Idolize something like it talks in the Bible about false idols We all have false idols like whether it's our phone or it's a celebrity or it's Something we do or it's our addiction to food or drugs or whatever But like it's very difficult for a human to be the biggest thing on their hierarchy There's always something above us right because we're always in pursuit of something bigger than whatever it is in that moment And I think for me it was just about Taking everything else all the distractions and all the other things in my life away and just ensuring that at least and look I'm We're all we all sin and we all do stupid things like we're all just people nobody's special or righteous people sometimes act like they're special and righteous But we're all just the same thing like Um, but it's just about trying to make that make that my idol make make Make God in the concept of what it is that he once done on this earth my idol versus anything else You know like we all serves we all serve some master whether we realize it or not So why not let it be the master that is above all and so when you made this transformation in your mind Did you then start reading scripture like regularly like what did you start doing?

1:36:10Yeah, well Well, it's what really I guess it's like now. I don't read it I don't read it because I feel like I should read it to be a better person It's like now I try to read it for the guidance within it and I'm still in the infancy stages of a lot of this like I've read a lot of Psalms Proverbs and Ecclesiastes and Luke and There's other good books, but just trying to I don't know like trying to restructure. I guess Yeah, on a granular level like I guess the neural pathways in my brain that have certain habits and certain ways of thought like I've tried to retrain that uh um You know like there's there's things it says like and I'll be very brief with this I promise but like one thing ironically It's uh Proverbs 420, which I thought you like So if there's anything better but um preach my son pay attention to what I say turn your ear to my words Do not let them out of your sight keep them within your heart For they are life to those who find them and health the ones whole body above all else guard your heart for everything you do flows from it Keep your mouth free from perversity.

1:37:17Keep corrupt talk far from your lips. Let your eyes look straight ahead Fix your gaze directly before you Give careful thought to the past for your feet and be steadfast in all your ways Do not turn to the right or the left keep your foot from evil But um, that's pretty Fucking profound But the whole book of Proverbs is like that like it's not preachy. It's not It's not what you think like it's it's like it's good guidance It's like good guidance that you would want a father to give to his son, you know what what do you think it comes from Like if you had to guess Where do you think the Bible comes from Like it was an oral tradition for Who knows how many years for they ever wrote it down.

1:38:01Yeah, what do you think these stories come from um What I believe that people come across in different points of time and I think they are given messages that need to be delivered And I'm not in any way trying to parallel me to anyone in any of these books by any means But I do think that Throughout history like even beyond from what's been written in this Bible There's been important people that came along and said important or maybe not even not even important people Sometimes it's the lowly of the low uh that come along and just say things that need to be said and if I could To me, it's like there's no question that This is an intelligent planet we live on in an in an intelligent solar system everything is just Much more immense than any human on earth would admit like even people in science so much of science is based on theory Like it's this very elegantly written way of thinking But it ultimately if you take it down to it's like on a granular level.

1:39:01It's very it's all in many ways based on theory and so I think the earth is far more intelligent than we realize in the systems that we live in like I just don't think somebody just pulled all that out of thin air. I do think that And hey, maybe it's I've been waiting for my time to bring up the aliens because I But anyway, but no, but in all seriousness. It's like for me. I just I believe that um Well, let me let me if you if you read through it It's so much of it is so timeless and so much of it if you read about the rich and the poor and the wicked and the way Just the inherent human behavior that existed at the time when these books were written back then It's so parallel to what goes on today like to the point that you wouldn't if you just read it out of context And didn't know it was scripture a lot of it sounds like something somebody wrote two hours ago and post it on a on a vlog or whatever it's like it's To me it uh there is no other book like it Have you paid in the attention to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and their theories about the restarting of humanity?

1:40:03it's a really fascinating um field of of inquiry and discussion because it's now starting over time to be backed up by more science because There was always a curiosity like when did the human race first Invent civilization and the current theory is that it was about six thousand years ago. It was messopotamia Sumer and these areas Which is where we found the first written language Like first mathematics uniform language But what they believe is that's a restarting of civilization and that very likely Civilization that existed at a very very high level somewhere around 11 ,800 years ago and that what caused the end of the ice age also caused uh just a mass destruction All throughout the universe or all throughout the earth rather of Particles from space slamming into the earth that the earth goes through these comet storms Periodically and it happens.

1:41:07I think it's every June and every November and uh when they go through these Clouds of comets occasionally we get hit by big ones and there's a lot of evidence for this and What they believe is that What when you're looking at like the ancient Egyptian structures when you're looking at some structures in turkey and Other parts of the Middle East you're looking at things that are older than 12 ,000 years old Yeah, well, and I I agree with that. I think that it's obvious that technology existed that we don't know anything about today Just the construction of the pyramids alone Lean to use that like somehow or another they were able to do that and they were able to do that with immense sophistication and insane capabilities the ability to move stone from hundreds of miles that ways Tons Massive stones cut perfectly stacked on top of each other 2 ,300 ,000 of them that are perfectly do north south east and west Yeah, that's that's the craziest thing is that they they could understand that the scale like the technology was almost We don't understand what they were doing We it's it's alien and not alien like human being not like like non -human beings I think there were human beings that made it But I think to us they went in a direction with their technology.

1:42:25It's very different than we did We went in this weird direction of internal combustion engines and silicon chips and all these different things I think it's very likely that they had comparable if not better technology But it moved in a completely different direction where there was using sound or vibration or some other Completely undiscovered technology that we have yet to invent that was wiped out when civilization was knocked into barbarism And I think that's one of the reasons why you go back in early history people were so fucking savage Because I think that the people that survived that 11 ,800 years ago event I think whatever was left was like fucking walking dead And I think people lived a horrible life for a long time I think it was thousands of years of this until we emerged from that and finally started reinventing agriculture and cities and all these different things again So I think the the 6 ,000 year ago mark.

1:43:20I think If I had to guess I would imagine that is the first Example of a rebuild of civilization that took thousands of years to merge from I think it will slaughter it wouldn't surprise me if all that doesn't happen again like it could easily happen again if we get hit again That was one of the initial things that really intrigued me reading and I think it's It talks about it in Ecclesiastes That everything that's happened under the sun has already happened before and will happen again The generations that are yet to come will be forgotten about those that come after them like it's I think just in the same way that we have that we have a summer and a Fall and a winter and a spring.

1:43:59It's like I think human society Just because of our human nature and like our pursuit for Whatever it is that we want to like our we just love to create and develop and like so we'll We shoot all the way up to the top and then some tragedy comes along whether it's whether it's self -inflicted or from From comments or whatever and then there we go right back down to the bottom We start over again And yeah, like there is a lot of weird things like they've discovered a lot in the South America recently Because of the new technology like the civilizations that existed down there that we had no idea but like Graham Hancock's Who knows who knows what's went on even just on this ground and years past that we'll never know about oh Yeah, for sure.

1:44:39Well, we know quite a bit about Texas, which is a fascinating story in its of its own But you know what's really fascinating about Texas is they were Dominating like these nomadic tribes were dominating this land for hundreds of years where people couldn't even settle down There's an amazing book called Empire of the Summer Moon that's all about Texas and the Comanches and the Texas Rangers Crazy stories just crazy But I think you I think what the Bible is saying rings true and that if people You know, they just understood the history of the past from when they wrote the Bible They had to have known massive catastrophes.

1:45:17They had to and but they believe that's what the story of the flood is from The the flood from Noah's Ark and and even from the epic of Gilgamesh, which is even older It's like they they have these similar kind of stories and they think that these similar kind of stories relate to the immense flooding that occurred after impact They think that after impact well They know that at one point in time the United States half of it was covered with at least like a mile of ice Some places it was more than a mile Which is just insane to think to think now yeah standing here and looking straight up for a mile Covering ice.

1:45:51Yeah, I mean how was how can you even wrap your head around that? It's so difficult to even imagine and what's even yeah, it's it's crazy to think about it existing then but also that Like that's I guess when I talk about the intelligence of like whatever system it is We live in the fact that the earth is able to self correct itself over a period of time. It's like no matter And even today when we see cycles and things happening. It's like I don't know that I'm sure that we could destroy the earth With some of the technology we have now like I I fear that we don't that this this sort of proxy war that we've involved ourselves and doesn't escalate into something bigger because We could really we could wipe society out indefinitely, but we were talking about this yesterday with Peter Berg he's Director actor.

1:46:37He's guy did loan survivor made that movie made that pain killer show that's on Netflix Yeah, and he did a tour of one of those battleships and he saw the the missiles that could carry nuclear warheads He's like what the fuck like one of these ships could literally wipe out the whole earth It's so bonkers. It's so bonkers that these things exist and that there's thousands of thousands Thousands of them ready to go And that's just flatten the planet that probably has happened before and if I had it if I had to look at things with the most optimistic perspective My most beautiful optimistic perspective is that's what the aliens are here for That's the beautiful one is that life exists everywhere in the universe And that it's a very complicated process of evolving from territorial apes To becoming these intergalactic travelers that have no ego and and and don't display irrational behavior and work For whatever purpose because that's where it gets weird.

1:47:42It's like if you don't have emotions You know have jealousy and envy and love love and lust and all the things to fight against and all the things to fight for If you don't have those things like what is purpose? What is our purpose as humans? It's very terrifying for us. It's one of the reasons why we're most scared about technological innovation where it comes That's terminator, you know, that's everything all these things that we create that wind up killing us And that we are somehow or another purpose list if we don't have all these things that we cling to like love and fear and anxiety and jealousy and then you know and all the stuff that we want we want to be praised and loved and all these different things that That motivate people to succeed and do things in life Without that what are we that's that's a big question, but with it how dangerous are we we do Use it in so many different beautiful ways like your music or like You know like a great book or like and there's ways that people use this that are that are beautiful But it's ultimately the reason why life is so scary.

1:48:44It's ultimately the why why During the period of mass communication during the period of exchange of information worldwide which has occurred from The start of the 20th century to where we are in the 21st century We've never had a time where we can communicate with mass amounts of people better But it's still we're at the verge of nuclear catastrophe It's still we're still in this very terrifying place where One group of people for some reason or there are poses like I don't know anyone in Russia I don't know anyone in China I the idea that somehow or another China is my enemy or Russia's my enemy like how how did that happen?

1:49:26Yeah The people there aren't exactly exactly There are establishments and enemy of our establishment right the idea that what the human mind is capable of and creating great art and great music It's also capable of dominating massive groups of people through tyranny We have to be very careful because that same thing that makes us this emotional being with that wants all these Weird feelings. Yeah, that's the same thing that leads us down the road to tyranny and I bet that exists everywhere in the United States and I bet the aliens if they're coming down here They want to be very careful with the species while it's going through this transition because I bet this shit is very touch and go And I bet every now and then some fucking Putin type character goes.

1:50:08Oh, yeah. Yeah, NATO fuck you. I have cancer Fuck you Yeah, that's all so complicated because yeah, like Scary all that starts with someone's imagination like every all these It all starts and that's on the other end of that though to your point It's like that's that's what I I find so important about freedom of speech and the ability for people to have good honest Conversations because you can imagine The mind is just as capable of creating good as it is evil. I think yeah, I think right now Maybe we're creating a little more evil than we are good, but oh, I don't think so I think things can I think things can turn around just as quickly as they've turned bad as far as on a global scale I don't think we're creating more evil than we are good.

1:50:54I think if you look at the statistics of history human history We're moving in a right direction even though there's a lost struggle It's not like a perfect curve it goes up and down But over time if you look at just violent crime and horrible things that people do to each other. It's down Almost everywhere in the world Where it was a hundred years ago And I think it's moving in that general direction. I just think it's it's messy Human beings are we we've we've fuck up a lot to get better and we have to things have to like Like I was having a conversation with a friend about Nordstrom's closing in San Francisco.

1:51:29They get robbed so much. They're just like we have to close out It's so it's San Francisco so crazy. It's so fucking crazy and and The person I was talking to was like good that they'll have to reassess now they have to realize their policies are crazy And they're gonna have to put someone in here that fixes it And I'm like yeah, or it becomes like a third world city like some crazy Like violent crime -ridden city that's controlled by gangs like that could happen too. What do you feel like See to me. I perceive that as being A symptom like what's the what do you think the problem is like? I mean, I know the easy answer is it's the people that run the government in California that if that have like Made it into this atrocity that it is that it wasn't maybe 15 or 20 years ago But like there's also a big problem too with like homelessness and drugs and like Well, cynical me wants to think that there's a conspiracy cynical think me wants to think that if you create more prime more problems more crime more confusing Then people will give in to more control by the government to somehow or another mitigate those problems that exist everywhere There and there has to be a solution This is the only solution is that you have to have a digital ID You take it everywhere you go everyone has a cell phone.

1:52:45So everyone has digital ID that way we'll catch everyone when they're doing all these crimes That's scary because they're not just going to use it for that and then they're going to make up crimes They're going to decide that you saying things that they don't like that may even be true like mal information Like that's a crime and then they'll shut down your social media and Look what we saw that during this the the Twitter files investigation from When Twitter first was purchased by Elon Musk and he let these journalists go over all the emails They're like holy shit the FBI telling people to delete tweets like this is nuts Again, it goes back to freedom.

1:53:20They yeah, I can see that there's there is a power at day that wants to limit free speech Sure people that have money that are that that are making money off of suppressing Information and free speech is such a precious thing like that something that that if we have anything if we have Something precious a resource that needs to be protected more than anything right now. It's freedom of speech It's a very important thing for this country and you know, I've said it many many times But it's the the reason why this country has created so much culture the reason why there's so much Sure, and and you and you've seen that you've seen that like spread out throughout the world like to your point like a hundred years ago A lot of the even though all these countries they're dealing with They've got radical politicians that are locking them down and taking away their rights and like yeah All that's happened within the last 10 or 15 years maybe but in general like the Whatever craziness that we established here like arguably the first country.

1:54:12I guess you'd say in modern history that Had some form of democracy and some form of involvement of citizens deciding what it is they want What the world they want to live in like that spread out like you see Most all countries have some sort of you don't see a lot of kings and dictators running countries anymore They have a election cycle now whether or not It's all credible or not. I don't know But yeah, the idea that like sovereign people can live in a land and decide what it is that they want for themselves is something that like has not existed It has not existed for a very long period of time in the world and it is precious that we hold to it And I guess going back to my point earlier about the federal government and state and local level.

1:54:52It's like I just think There needs to be more strength within local communities as far as people making decisions and uniting with one another and You know, I had I've had a lot of people. I'm the I'm when ugly gingers walking around like everybody's like Oh, is it that guy? And so I've had a lot of people stop me on the street and in parking decks and at the airport and At the hardware store and like You know how many times I've had now I've at least a dozen times now I've had people tell me that they're talking to people they haven't talked to in five or six years that they got pissed over politics about and just This message that's coming out has given them and like I know a guy In my own personal life.

1:55:32He hasn't talked to his brother in six years because they disagreed over Trump and Biden And and even prior to that like they just left and right and which one was the Biden guy The guy the guy I hang out with is Because obviously I like I live out in the country. I own guns. You know like I am The people in my neck of the woods are not Despite what they may say on yeah despite what they may say on a news organization somewhere like a lot of the people I hang out with in the the area the country I live in and it is stereotypically read right Because a lot of people will vote no matter what other Influences there are a lot of people will vote conservative just because of their second amendment rights Which is very much under attack in Virginia, you know Like you remember you're out the sanctuary cities and all the all the counties that decided well Even if the federal government bans us.

1:56:22We're not gonna enforce it type of a thing which is crazy to see like in our time But yeah, he so he voted he was a big Trump guy and and And he watched his certain news organization and the other guy was for Biden and he watched his news organization And so they just basically picked up whatever narratives they Got from each other's news and they would just you know, they let that destroy literally a Friendship. Yeah, they were brothers, you know biological brothers and so So dumb that's uh That's not good for us as a country like this. Well, it's not it's not a wise thing to just apply to your life as a human being You can have people in your life that have disagreements with you I have people in my life that disagree with me on so many things Absolutely on politics Absolutely, you know, especially like when I was a Bernie Sanders supporter You know, there's so many people that like you're a fucking idiot like listen I would like to try it that way Let's try some guy who doesn't want war at all.

1:57:24Let's try some guy wants to take a certain percentage off speculation Um Trades in the Wall Street where they're they're doing these and they're running a tiny fraction of a penny for each one of them And he's saying it would generate an insane amount of money that could be applied to education That could be applied to health care. You could give people free health care. You could give people free education What well why wouldn't we do that? If you got some guy who doesn't want to divert money to these fucking forever wars and instead wants to apply it to communities I was like, let's give that a chance.

1:57:56Maybe it won't work I don't know jack shit about politics But I sincerely believe the guy And I'm like that to me is at least an option for change and that guy had been the same guy his whole life He had been always pushing for that his whole life He's kind of gotten tired in his later years, but that's just Understandably he's kind of like Supported yeah, so you you believing or someone shouldn't yeah, it shouldn't suspend your friendships or relationships with other people like I guess It's just you're hanging out with dummies People should have like did I have many friends at a Trump supporters I have many friends that wholesale believe in the Democratic party no matter what it's a million times better no matter what anybody says And no matter what anybody says about the Biden family a lot of people change that now though in recent years like even people who were hardcore Conservatives and hardcore Democrats like I don't think whatever whatever a Republican a Democrat was represented At some point in time is anymore like both both both sides have I mean like I said I'm a I love freedom of speech and I love the second amendment, but There's a lot of things that I see that I don't like I mean you got to think I'm 31 So I was in fourth grade at 9 -11 so we've been we were an endless war from 9 -11 on and You know even when we shouldn't have been like So both sides have like just picked up on things and ran with it But they use certain emotional triggers to like keep their fan base happy, you know Like the like all they're gonna take your guns and the other side They've got all their emotional triggers and they're things that they're trying to feed their audience with but I guess like at the end of the day It doesn't it doesn't help either side to pick like no in my opinion no one's no one no one can go into that position In politics in the White House or anything else for that matter at this point because of how Just inefficient and how large the federal government is I don't think anybody can go into those positions and overnight save everything they can certainly make big influences I mean you saw when Trump was in office the economy was rocking But then other things he did you know like This thing like warp speed and all that like that there was a lot of controversy around all of that and so well He would have to be a vaccine scientist even understand what they were doing and imagine being him while and this is not to defend Donald Trump But imagine being him and being in control of all of it You're in control of the economy.

2:00:25You're in control of foreign relations You're in control of the biggest military the world is ever known You're in the public eye. You're tweeting about your ex -girlfriend being a horse face like it's like yeah I don't think one person can do it shit going on in that guy's life Do you think that he had the time to investigate the efficacy of the covid vaccines that were this novel MRNA technology then they're never been applied to hundreds of millions people and then you had to trust the CDC and Fauci and all those people like how could he know? Well, and that's and that's a good example why I don't think that one I don't think we can we can or should rely on one person to save all save us on all those issues It's something we've got to work out on personal level, you know Well, it's insane.

2:01:08It was invented back when people lived in tribes So you had a tribe of 50 people you want that old guy he's got a lot of scars in his face He knows that a run shit He knows what to do wrong. He knows what to do right. He survived all his brothers died You know like those guys are the guys you want teaching younger people It's like you're talking about with older folks that was the whole idea of a tribal leader like this was the greatest warrior This is the smartest chief. This is the person who's like they can lead us and they want nothing but good for us because they love us because they know us I don't know you he don't know you you don't know he don't know you he don't care He just wants to get up there and says it says speech the right way and then they give him ice cream and then he sits down Like you see that woman is the White House press secretary and now I don't know if it's true So we should find out if it's true.

2:01:52Did she or did she not accidentally delete a Biden tweet from her account So it's a tweet as press when I ran for president. I this and that she accidentally posted it on her own I want to find out if that's true though because that could be Russian disinformation because that's true too Here's one of the reasons why free speech is so important in this country given the parameters of social media is because we Know that foreign interests are interfering with our discourse. We know it It's proven that there's troll farms. They have in Macedonia. I'm sure they have in China They have troll farms where people create accounts and then they argue with people about stuff And they'll post links to fake stories and they'll post fake information They may even post fucking AI voice swap shit But what they're doing is trying to get people arguing about stuff trying to get people to To manage their faith in democracy trying to get people at each other's throats from the right in the left It's manipulated and think about who that benefits Investing in America means investing in all of America when I ran for president I made a promise that I would leave no part of the country behind So she did do it.

2:03:02She really did tweeted from her account. Is that real? Oh my god. Oh my god. She really did do it Oh my god That's so crazy. It's so of course when you read his tweets. It sounds like her like she's got a very politician Way of doing it. There's she's like an AM radio DJ and AM radio DJ That's her job right like she's got what a press secretary is yeah like a politician because you know AM all ride here. We are on the drive I'm Mike and I'm with the rock you know or whatever with fucking sidekick and maybe that's what attracted people to Trump And maybe what attracts people to like um see it like Thank god.

2:03:45I haven't especially now at least I've got a good excuse not to keep up with politics anymore Because I've got a few other more important things on my plate But I think that's what attracts people to like that rough for all authentic type of speech Like it's not clean cut and it's not professional, but it's at least like you said even with Bernie which Who knows I don't know anything about Bernie, but he's not polished But at least what he's saying is like at least you feel like he actually leaves it because he knows it You look at politics you can look at politicians over 15 years span and and like they'll quote something from like oh good god Think anybody any politician from the 90s is going to have a lot different opinions on emotional triggers that we talk about today Politicians from the 90s from the Democratic Party sound like not really different.

2:04:27Yeah, they sound like Nazis There's this great when Biden passed the crime bill in 94 There's this famous speech that he gives about Locking people up so that his wife is safe and so they're safe and that I'm safe And it's just it sounds like right ring like a proud boy speech. It's fucking crazy It sounds like a Patriot speech. No, but you worry about malicious say. I don't I know very little about any of this But my understanding is even I know for sure with Hillary Clinton, but I think even with Obama Originally their stance was very much against gay marriage and then it flipped around she didn't support gay marriage till 2013 Yeah 2013 So like how can those pass them cigars?

2:05:14Well, you're gonna bust out your first cigar. Yeah, so this is exciting So like said a fan gave me these at a show But yeah, so that's that's the thing. I just hope I hope to see the fan gave you these How do we know they're not laced with? Well, I'm gonna let you go the way you try first God damn it. Oh, they're sealed The definitely has to be real if it's sealed in plastic and it says it's from Cuba So it must be from Cuba. I should have brought the note with him to give the guy shout out That's my fault, but he's a cool guy. He's uh, well, hey cool guy. Thanks for the cigars. I hope you're not poison to me bro We're gonna find out shortly here.

2:05:47These are supposedly the real ones from Cuba But you know how hard that is to get like the results. Yeah, there's a lot of fake ones It's one of those things where for whatever reason how do you tell the difference? You don't I'm not a cigar fish in auto. I like cigars. I can't even open a box. Let's also I suck I'm not a uh, I like them, but I don't know jack shit about them Like my friend Bobby Kelly. He knows a lot about cigars He could tell you all that shit and he can he can answer all these questions But I know the good ones. This tastes good and they feel good like there's something about you piece of shit Sorry, we should have done this okay.

2:06:22I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong I'm just trying to slice open this little cover with my sweaty hands Come on, bitch God damn it This is hilarious Maybe he set us up Yeah, maybe he did maybe it's a bomb maybe it is He said he's giving us a bomb. Maybe it's a sign that this through security. Yeah, maybe it's a sign that we uh I'm trying to preserve the looks of this box. I'm out the window. Oh, I'm not worried about that Yeah, but everybody likes boxes In the the cigar world people like um They like the whole thing behind it. They're like cutting the cigars smelling it and they're like Knowing that it came from some And it's just hilarious They like the experience of it.

2:07:09Yeah, I don't know why I can't get into this box This is brutal It appears that this is a fake box. We'll have to start love to uh Have to play that out better next time. Yeah, man for real I should give this to Jamie. He'll see the seal in a different spot. Do you? I think the top flips up Mads guy on your right god damn it That's hilarious. That's how dumb I am. How do I not know this? It's up here So these bitches in any kind of along this way I thought there's a line in it and I thought that that line was the seal

2:07:52This will be like a perfect YouTube short of us trying to get the box open. No, it'll take too long Shortening work. It's not short. This is what's too long. This is pathetic Come on, bitch Maybe they are maybe they've been packaged away for 50 years. No, these can't be that old. They wouldn't be there You go. Look at that. Awesome. I split the box This bitch just not one of the wrong side. I don't know. It isn't anymore That's the right side There we go. Oh look there you go Jesus Christ Beautiful awesome. All right smell that That's what you gotta do. You gotta smell them. This is what they do.

2:08:34They take them to put them by their nose And it smells good. Look at that. No, we're gonna have to find out these are fake How do you know? Bill Bursa as you just know You know, you know, I got some real ones. Yeah, you fucking know He's supposed to leave this on the slide this off Uh, that's personal preference. Okay, believe him on let's slide him off They seem a little ostentatious a little ridiculous for a regular guy like yourself. Yeah, yeah, for Joe Shema. I don't know what you mean

2:09:11You Now real cigar people you're gonna have to do that by yourself Because you got to kind of suck on it while you're doing that Real cigar people will tell you what you're really supposed to do For you to suck on it as roll the flames around the end So you should probably do it correctly because I didn't they'll get mad. Yeah, you do that you get a little cook Kind of get a little burn out get a little cooked there you go now put it in your mouth And light it and suck on at the same time and then you get a nice nice bowl

2:09:41This that's yeah, I feel like I need to get some bowl horns for the head of my truck now brother. These might be legit Can I see that? Here we go

2:10:00You Is a good you think they're good. I mean they seem good to me, but I wouldn't know the difference Yeah, like I said, I'm not an expert. I don't even know how to open a box but um They're good in that uh, they're smooth. They're very smooth Mm -hmm. So if it really is from Cuba, there's only like There's very it's a very small area where they grow these Cuban cigars Was it called Abalto viejo abalta or something like that? What is the area of Cuba? It's like but it's a very like Surprisingly small area Where they grow the best cigars and it's just something about the soil That makes and the climate and everything's perfect But they grow really good cigars in Nicaragua.

2:10:44They grow really good cigars in the Dominican Republic It's kind of now. It's like You know, it's funny because I um I've never really been interested in the cigars, but you know who One of my favorite guys on YouTube is um Dry Creek Wrangler School and if you've watched that guy I love watching him and he's kind of gotten me interested in trying them out. This is that well now you're trying them Welta vialta. How do you say that? Vuelta Vuelta abajo That's the area. So that one area just has Palm -ass soil and they figured out a long time ago. They grow the dopest cigars there Do you know that when the embargo happened with Cuba JFK ordered a shit ton of cigars before the embargo?

2:11:29What a dirty bird. You knew what a dirty bird. Yeah, even the one guy that we love the most That was his inside of trading that dirty bird He went out and got like how many boxes do you get 1200 six hundred? 1200 cigars 1200 I know that there was like an auction at one point in time for his humidor I think he it actually still had some of his cigars. See if you could find that maybe I'm imagining that Humidor auction pops up JFK humidor auction 2017. No one on sale. That's right five hundred and seventy five thousand dollars Two five hundred said you imagine what a baller you have to be to be sitting there with like your tiger Dick T you know Smoking rhino horn Like whatever whatever what other things you have like a thousand -year -old bottle of wine And if I hold on to my boots long enough.

2:12:25Maybe that's what they'll sell for Now you have to keep them man. You have to just get them resold come on man You already broke in the best part if you can get a good pair of boots and like break them in My favorite boots are made by this company origin. This is company that Jocco's a part of and They make everything American made is it the factories in Maine everything the leather the cloth the threads Everything and they may be a handmade boots handmade jeans Gijitsu gear hunting gear. It's fucking awesome. It's all like under like Jocco's leadership and and and Pete the other guy runs it I'm excited.

2:13:06I hope to meet Jocco one day. He's another YouTube guy Love to go go do a hunt or something like that. That'd be pretty cool I don't think I don't have you hunted before Yeah, well my That's what a lot of guys in the comments were saying on the richman worth the Richmond video there like I don't think that tree stands gonna be Very good this year with all that screaming and shouting y 'all were doing that Yeah, I hung on my land and I let people come in and hunt it. I'm not it I don't run dogs or anything, but that's real popular in Virginia. So We'll do our thing at like early season and then we let the We let the club come in and run dogs at the end of the year You know, that's very controversial in Virginia There's like you want to talk about coke and Pepsi politics like that's definitely part of it You got people are very opposed to running dogs and you got some guys that just it's like it's such a long tradition You know those two clash together But as far as like any of the big game like the stuff I we were checking out now.

2:14:00I'd love to I'd love to experience that once So do you use dogs to catch deer or what do you run the deer? Yeah, yeah, so they they They use them just to get the deer moving which again, I don't I don't know enough about it one way or the other But Virginia's got got a really healthy deer population. All things considered like I just think people think it's cruel You know people think it's cruel when they do that with mountain lions too But I was trying to explain to something listen to somebody if you don't do that You don't get mountain lions like you're not gonna find them They're they know you are coming long before you have any idea they're there and they're gone And they're smart say I don't know if I'd want to kill a mountain lion I think I just want to like See this is one thing people give me hell about but like we've got On my property.

2:14:51We've got coyotes and bear and bobcat and we get them on camera a lot Like there's a huge bear we kept getting June and July As like man, I don't I don't think I'd want to shoot him I think I'd want to just just just admire him and let him go I don't know like I'm just funny about that like Well, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to shoot an animal You know and if you don't want to shoot a bear look I've eaten bear of hunted bear bear tastes good you can eat bear But it's not my favorite thing to eat it's not but it is also an animal that has to be managed Yeah, the thing about biological management.

2:15:28This is the uncomfortable truth of it You have to have a balance. There's wildlife biologist the observed populations and they want to enact some sort of a balance of predator and prey and we have an overabundance predators in areas that are Like when you have hunting that's off limits You create a really dangerous imbalance and they did that in all places of in New Jersey The governor of New Jersey ran on this platform of stopping the bear hunt in New Jersey Because a lot of people in New Jersey they live in urban environments like Newark and you know Like hack and sack and like that's where the population is and they're like how we don't want you vote I mean voting to kill bears why would you kill bears but what they don't understand is like rural New Jersey Has the highest Bear per capita in the country.

2:16:20There's more black bears in New Jersey than any other state Which is so nuts per capita. I wonder why that is because they're fucking everywhere there And there's not a lot of hunting You know, so they had a bear um season and uh this Governor came in and stopped it. It was part of the things that he ran on and then when he got into office He realized after a while like oh my god, we have to kill these bears because like human bear interaction to growing up a kid at Rutgers got killed Oh, that's fucking bear like he was out in the woods near the campus and he got fucking slaughtered See I always wonder if I'm gonna get I think the bobcats psych me out more than anything I always the bear I'm okay with like I feel like they'll leave me well enough alone, but um until they don't I remember even when I when I first bought the place like right after I closed on it because I'd had um I my house before that I had a house with five acres and Like had the little homestead thing gone and we had like you know some basic stuff horses and chickens and that's cool Um, but I knew I wanted more land and with every the way everything is like They're not making any more of it, you know, so I said I'll go ahead and um and that That causal that causes a lot of controversy with my better half and I because she thought I was crazy that I was selling our Like our comfortable house we're living in to go but land is take a freaking camper on until we can afford to build something But man, it's I remember my first weekend It was Memorial Day weekend of 2019 was like the first time I slept out there And I'd heard I knew what a coyote was, but I'd never heard a bobcat at night And it was me and the dogs and we were tent camping out there and it was like two and the morning is a bobcat Like right honest doing that no you know the noise they make what is the noise like sounds like a Like a demented baby crying.

2:18:06I don't know. They'd be it'd be cool to hear if people haven't heard it But it was and the dogs it's only we ended up leaving the building like as my dogs wouldn't stop barking, but um The bobcats are the only thing out there really freaks me out like one of them jumping on you. I don't think they attacked people though Let me hear this shit

2:18:27Whoa Oh It sounds a lot wilder than that maybe you get going They live up to 12 years in the wild Yeah that Jesus Christ

2:18:48Oh I saw links once in Canada. It's fucking cool. Oh, it's just weird to see some wild cat Up in Alberta in the woods. Yeah, I was like whoa that thing is fucking cool They have like cool paws like to get around the floor just yeah, it's just wild that there's like cat up there You know when you think about cats at least I do I always think about like warm environments like tropical cats Yeah, you know, I'm really I'm excited to uh, what is this one bobcat attacks coyote. Oh, Jesus I stopped it before I saw it ran away. I thought you got him. Oh try to get him Wow bobcats try to kill coyotes He's just hiding in the fucking grass.

2:19:30Look at him

2:19:37Look at that little killer He's just trying to kill anything he can imagine having instincts like that everything that comes close to you. You want to eat Mm -hmm. That's a cat You know I just one thing I am excited with opportunity. I've been given with all this is I do want to travel more and get out in a nature and different places this is my first time on the I've never left these coast. Oh really this is my first time in Texas But this is my this is my first time any farther west than I think the farthest west ever been is Tennessee. So um, I'd love to go I And I don't know what'll happen with me next year like Everybody wants to pull me in 10 different directions and um But I'm just I've always just been drawn to nature and and being connected to it and so like I'm sure we'll do some big shows And we'll do some things next year, but my heart is just pulling me I just excited to go experience like Like I the first time I go to Wyoming and stuff like I'm just that's gonna be it for me like just getting to see that experience I've never I've seen it on the internet on the internet, but it's pretty stunning Like and up and I've watched all these videos in Canada My one of my favorite youtubers is camping with Steve and it draws my wife crazy when up because like anytime We want to watch something at night It's always I always want to watch camping with Steve But he's a guy up in Canada and he goes and does all these obscure like different types of camps different places But just some of the area he explores up there in Canada.

2:20:59It's just awesome. It's just like Yes, I've got it. I've got to try it out for myself We'll do this like that when you're looking at mountains and stuff like if it's some kind of medicine for for the human mind This is something about the awe inspiring beauty of it and just the vastness of it It's like it like sets you at ease in some strange way It also is very lonely It's weird that it's like because you realize like oh, I'm not important at all Mm -hmm, so when you're out there in the woods, you're like I'm not important. Yeah, well you realize like Yeah, and maybe that's part of what I was trying to convey earlier in my words too But it's like you realize that yeah, there's whatever problems and issues you've in your mind have sort of perceived to be Top -ranking like they really are irrelevant.

2:21:43Yeah, they really are and the bigger scheme of things like It's a beautiful thing when you can because you find you really find peace in That but yeah, there's something about being out in nature. I don't know like I've read all these things about You know, there's this whole kind of hippie spiritual side to being out in nature But there really is something just very peaceful about it like um, and I found that even on my property being able to just be out in the woods Just help me tremendously with everything You know, I've been reading about like these different These different like healing centers and camps and things that they're using to try to um It's for people like that are get just getting out of rehab centers or PTSD or whatever But like they they have a lot some of these nonprofit organizations where they take people out into that environment and there's it's They found a lot of benefit at it for people, but um I'm looking forward to getting the experience just different parts of the country and Even outside of the country like it's if I think if I get anything out of this like there's anything I'm really excited about it's just Getting the camp different places.

2:22:43Yeah, that's cool man. That's a beautiful thing to look forward to that smart You get your head on right This is gonna be fun for you, dude. You're gonna have a good time. Yeah, you're gonna have a good time I'm here to make it the right decision. I'm having a good time now. So this is cool. It's crazy overwhelming I'm sure I mean, I can't imagine what it's like to be you. I got a nice slow trickle of fame Yeah, you can just just like I got like like a snake venom like get a little bit more all the time tolerate a little bit more You get to a point you can still be yourself That's where it gets weird, you know, you're just gonna you're just gonna a lot of people pulling out Yeah, but you don't have to but so there's been a lot of good people come out of the woodwork like big names, you know like That's gotta be cool people that have given me like very good There's I won't I don't want to say his name on hearing and disrupt his privacy, but there's one guy in particular that um Like well Everybody's seeing me meet him at one point if that gives you a hand at all, but he's just a really good dude I didn't see you meet anybody Yeah, one of the shows, you know, uh show yeah at one of the shows.

2:23:43Yeah, I'm one of your shows He uh yeah talking about Jamie Johnson. No. Yeah, I can't say any names. Oh, okay. He's been a yeah He's just a he's everything you think he is, but he's just been a big help That's awesome like almost kind of a I don't know if you'd want to say a father figure in the industry, but like there's been some very good -hearted people like With despite all the craziness and all the people that have come out like just claw on at me like that Movie we're talking about the beginning, you know, like there's been a lot of that. There's also been a lot of just really down the earth people that have That just have the interest of me trying to trying to preserve whatever it is.

2:24:19I've created here and turn it into something To keep to help me keep me on the train tracks, you know, it's just a what it has been a while a couple weeks But like I said, it's been a lot of fun. You're handling it really well You are and you're handling the controversy in the criticism and the hit pieces you handled it. I love it Like yeah, just let them talk just they don't even realize they're working for you They're just making you more popular Well, what the thing is is like yeah, I see a lot of the negative stuff online But man if you if you read through my My emails and my social media messages and the people I've talked on the street like there's no question that There's no question that the majority if people perceive it in the way that I hope that it was that it would be perceived Yeah, no question no question, you know think about that you no matter what you do you can't make everybody happy no matter what you do No matter who it is, there's always going to be people that don't like it.

2:25:07It's in everything and in music and comedy and Literature and films. There's always going to be people that don't like things you like it's always going to be people and that's okay That's okay. Just don't have to read it like the thing is about your Things that people are gonna people are gonna write about you now like you don't want it like Inject that negativity into your mind. So just don't read it you don't have to read it like it's Still they they don't like you said this or they think you said of that should have done this. Oh, yeah, no, I shut up Yeah, it's funny though like I But they're allowed to do that too.

2:25:39That's that's their job Yeah, and like and that's what I've said even with people at certain organizations that I strongly disagree with that If reached out trying to do interviews or or even some of the people that have come out to hit pieces and I'm like look I respect what you're trying to do same way with the people in the music industry that have approached me It's like I don't necessarily want to work with your organization But I respect you for what you're doing. Yeah, I mean they're just trying to earn it and come just like anybody else You know and they're stuck in a system everybody's got a boss, you know If you're doing a show on CNN you're you're in a system.

2:26:09That's what you're doing You know you work for a system. There's no way around that You are part of a gigantic corporation that is a very specific kind of news that it does and you're You're told how you're supposed to do this and you're hired accordingly and you know what your job is and It's not it's not you representing you and um, I think what your music One of the reasons why it represented or what why it resonated rather with people is because it represents them It represents humans like a real human being. This isn't just some bullshit hit written by AI Right is a real human. Well, I don't know right on the internet that it was eight You probably could but I don't think you'd put the fudge rounds in there.

2:26:49Yeah, that doesn't seem like AI Creative it made those things rhyme. It's uh, it's funny that that was one that was the most controversial I really thought when I because it's funny like to just I guess if I just to tell the story about the song and how it was written It was like I had the first again this that song to me we weren't even I was I didn't even want to record that song when Draven from radio wv came down he had hit me up on a Thursday about coming to do the the recording and I'd watched a lot of radio wv like Logan Hallstead and a few of the Nolan Taylor like those guys are just there's some of my recent favorites And they they were all sort of debuted on his channel and so I've been watching him for years and um A guy gave a guy on tiktok got me in contact with him and so he called me on a Thursday He wanted to come that Saturday and record and I only had the first half of Richmond North or Richmond even written It was on my it was on my tiktok I was sitting in my bathroom like just half -heartedly singing through the where I didn't even know if I was gonna It just When some comes in my head a lot of times I would just post part of it online just just like To get it out there, you know very casually and everybody in the comments is like oh you got to finish this one Whatever and then Draven was insistent that we needed to do that song because I didn't my fit my top song in my head Was ain't got a dollar ain't got a dollar and I want to go home or like two of my favorites So I just threw the rest of the song together I finished it the day we recorded it around six thirty on the Saturday and I had to had the song finished it like three o 'clock on the Saturday So it was very thrown together had no idea that was going to be the one wow Um And I like so I was a little reluctant to even record it because I was like I'm not really an anthem song kind of guy a lot of my other songs are different than that So I mean, I'm glad he I'm glad he had the insight to tell me to do it But uh Yeah, it's just kind of funny the way it was thrown together But really I thought when we uploaded this song I thought the controversy and it was going to be more around The first line in the second verse and anything About minors on an island somewhere like I thought that was People got upset about too.

2:28:53What's interesting is left people on the left got upset about that one Like why is he talking about minors and out what why wouldn't you be talking about it? That's a real thing That's a real thing that's horrible like why wouldn't why would that be a thing that's controversial to sing about And how why would it be like something that left wing people would be upset about like what Yeah, I hope that people will I hope and I've seen it happen like um A lot of people like I want to go home. I've seen that one's got like a some million views on it and whatever and that's awesome, but Yeah, Richmond or the Richmond isn't really even my my favorite pick like my fate and I I'll get a better version uploaded of it at some point Right now it's just off my phone, but like I'd say my favorite song that talks about like Class and politics in the world and like the way I perceive it is probably dog on it like dog on it It's probably my favorite out of any of them Some excited to like get those songs released in a more professional format the way Richmond or the Richmond is and I've got notebooks just full of stuff written down So I've got a lot of ideas of new songs that I want to work on so I'm really excited to get and I hope that like It's good that we did this interview and that we got to get on here and talk, but I'm not I don't want to talk a whole lot anymore I don't think like you don't have I'm not a talker.

2:30:08I'm a I'm a writer and so I hope moving forward That I'll just be able to communicate with people just through music and not worry so much about doing interviews and stuff like that Because well, I think you made an excellent account of yourself and people are gonna understand what you really are and you know And it's a cool story. It's fun. I think more people are gonna be behind you now than even before They'll get a sense of this is a magical thing for you and it's beautiful And if it can happen to you if you can pursue a dream and and do this other people can do things that are very similar exactly I mean if there's if there is a message to get out of all of this It's just that you don't need anybody to do to do what it is you want to do like I'm just a guy that wrote some songs I took I recorded them on my phone.

2:30:50I uploaded them through distro kid and like here I am and Um, it doesn't matter what your pursuit is like you don't need some big industry Fancy shmanchi whatever to back you up to do it You just want you just got to go do it, you know And I think there's so many people that are like and I know people like that that are very good at things But they said oh, I'm not good and like the the fear holds a lot of people back from being successful You know, you're afraid of your fear of failure will will keep you from being successful all day long So I hope that if anything that resonates out of this it's that that that people Just do what you want to do and don't worry about if people are gonna like it or not They probably are, you know And if they don't make something better They don't try again.

2:31:34Yeah, who cares if they don't yeah, well hey brother. Thank you very much for coming in here Congratulations on everything enjoy the ride. You're gonna be fine. Yeah. No, it's fun. We'll do it again in a couple years Yeah, that sounds good. All right. All right, cool. Thank you. Sounds good brother. Good luck to you. Yeah. All right. Bye everybody

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