#2031 - Luis J. Gomez

23:13I'm not terrified of asteroids. I've never once thought about it. But you always hear about them, like, oh, they miss the earth by like... It's always like a hundred thousand miles. That doesn't seem that close. Yeah, it's just a time thing, Lewis. It's just a time thing. What do you mean? It's just a time thing. We're gonna get hit. Yeah. It's inevitable. It's happened thousands of times, probably, while human beings have been alive. Look. Some of them are big. If an asteroid hits Mars, and we hear about it, then I'm gonna go, alright fuck, we're in trouble. Well, they had a... And a big one hit Jupiter once.

23:51Oh, really? Yeah. And they really were surprised, because the impact was like far larger than they thought it was gonna be. But it was an enormous one. Apparently, that's what protects us. Jupiter's so massive that it sucks up most of the asteroids and comets. That's what allows us to not just be belted all the time, because there's like hundreds of thousands of these near -earth objects. So, just fucking one round. So, why are you trying to scare the audience right now? I don't really know what it's gonna be. I'm not trying to scare it. You're just trying to terrified right now. This is just what I think about all the time.

24:22The gas giant regularly absorbs hits from comets and asteroids protecting their inner -sourced system worlds. Damn. Yeah, I think they have the photo of getting hit. But it got hit by some just fucking dinosaur killer. Yeah. Some big one. Just shhup. Boom. Yeah, something like that. That's a wrap. So, there you could see it. You could actually see it get hit. There's just no control with that. Like, if there's nothing that I can do, if we could hit by an asteroid one day, that's that. I'm not, you know, I can control not giving myself cancer by smoking blunts every day. Or maybe that's what's making you not have cancer.

25:01Damn. Maybe this is my Jupiter. That's your Jupiter. Yeah, that's your Jupiter. There we go. Yeah, just space in general. It's like the most insane prospect ever. This infinite thing that we exist in, and there's rocks flying through it that occasionally slam it into the planet and cause civilization of reset. Yeah. That's, is that actually what happened with like Big Bang Theory, right? That's the idea. Is that what, that's what killed the dinosaurs? Well, Big Bang Theory is the beginning of the universe. What killed the dinosaurs is one of these asteroids. I'm an idiot. Yeah. You're not. I don't know about any of these asteroids.

25:39I don't think about asteroids. I think about them all the time. I think about them all the time. Because I've had these experts on, they've fucking permanently mind fucked me. Especially Randall Carlson. He's a dude that, along with Graham Hancock, they've come up with this theory that human beings got hit by asteroids somewhere around 11 ,000, 11 ,800 years ago. And civilization just reset. And we're basically like savages for thousands of years. Which totally makes sense. And then the civilization that emerged from that, like Babylon and Mesopotamia, the first civilizations we know of like Sumer.

26:19Those were probably a reboot, like thousands of years of chaos before they figured out how to calm down and develop civilization again. Yeah. I don't know about any of that shit, dude. How do you talk to these people? You're a fucking comic. Were you always this dude? You were super interested in everything? Because I watch you interview people. And you're really fucking good at like having these conversations with these people in all of these fields. And I'm going like, God damn dude, how do you have the capacity to take that all in and fucking just be interested? But it's only things that I'm interested in.

26:58Because no comic that I know does that. Literally no, every other comic is a fucking idiot who's just smoking weed or drinking beer and just trying to show up and get some pussy at the end of the night. And I think it looked, you know, it's a compliment because it really is, I think, why you created something so big is you're so interested in so much stuff that I think it made like, it gave you this like mass appeal. But was it like always that way? Was it doing the podcast that turned you into that? Well, it's always been curious, but then doing the podcast allowed me to have all these conversations with people.

27:25It's like getting an accidental education. Yeah. About just a broad range of subjects. Yeah. But for me, it's just interesting. Like I like listening to people and talking to people and finding out how they take. Who is the most interesting person you had on the show ever? Man, there's probably not one most interesting. There's been a lot of them that are interesting. You know, Elon's pretty fucking interesting. That's a rare one of a kind human being, you know. They don't make many of those. Yeah, he just said, I'm gonna buy Twitter. That's crazy. And he overpaid for it by a lot. Yeah. It's gangster as fuck, man.

28:07But he really, truly believed that we're in a very pivotal moment in our civilization. What comes to it? What is happening with like particularly with censorship? And when you have something that's essentially the town square for the world, which Twitter is, if you prevent people from other ideologies or other points of view or other political parties, if you prevent them from using this space and only people that agree with you can use that space, that's dangerous. And he recognized that. I think we all do. That's fucking dangerous. I know you think you're doing it, whoever's doing that, because it's the right thing and we have to protect people from bad ideas.

28:53But that never ends well. It just doesn't end well. You're gonna give that control to someone next after you're gone, because that's gonna be like a thing we do now. You're gonna give that control to new people. And they're gonna turn it the other way. They're gonna use it on you. They're gonna use it against causes that you believe in. We were headed in, before Elon bought Twitter, we were headed in a really weird, it seemed like very dangerous direction for comedy, for anybody who, you know, anybody who wasn't like super left -wing liberal, if you were trying to create shit online, it was scary.

29:33We do Legion of Skanks, most offensive podcasts, and I think we say a lot of fucked up shit. But I was like, we are not gonna be able to even put shit on the internet anymore. Forget it, just like Twitter or anything else. I think they're gonna scrub it all from the internet. And then Elon came in and he kind of made people go, wait a minute, hold on. We were getting crazy. And people kind of paused. You see Shane has a special out on Netflix now. I feel like we've sort of calmed down a little bit. And that was a big part of it, because it was like, well, no, we need to even the playing field a little bit.

30:00We need to hear all opinions and hear both sides. So I was actually legitimately worried, and now it seems like this is a little bit of a pause in that. It's definitely a change, of course. The problem is all the other social media platforms are essentially run by people who think the same way. They have the same opinions on things. There's no one social media platform that stands out that's like a huge place. Where other than Twitter now or X, where you could just say whatever the fuck you want. Like people are saying Michelle Obama's a man. Like you say the earth is flat. There's like plenty of people that are talking about the earth being flat.

30:42Yeah, that's also fucking crazy. You say whatever the fuck you want. And there's only one platform like that. Yeah. Like all the other ones. It's not like there's a bunch of those. It's like you can go and say whatever you want on Instagram. No, you can't. They'll put a fucking thing saying fact check or this is incorrect and misleading information. And even sometimes I've gone to some of those fact checks. I'm like, you didn't fact check this at all. Like this is just like not approved. This is a not approved message. Yeah, I am. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here.

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32:54I think we better catch the fuck up. We better catch up. Well, we will. And look, I think part of it is a lot of these, they don't really know how to handle it. It just moves too quickly. Right. So I think that we're going to look back at this time and we're going to go, oh yeah, that was like a, it was just us getting a hold of the internet. The internet just fucking came out and then we got social media and it's just transformed everything. The whole world, we're all connected. I mean, dude, the world is tiny now. It doesn't even feel like, but I think we're going to look back and go like, yeah, we were like irresponsible with it.

33:28We were like trying to destroy each other. We were trying to hurt each other with it. It became like warfare so quickly. I put a, I tweeted out a joke the other day. It said dumb joke about Amber herd. I don't, I don't have a dog in the race. I don't give a shit about Amber herd Johnny Depp. That whole thing like, for my perspective, it looked like two crazy people abusing each other, right? It's kind of hot, right? But who gives it? The whole joke is that Amber herd is so hot that I would let her shit in my bed. I would let her shit in my couch and the kitchen counter. You know, dumb joke. Very mild.

33:56Dude, all of these fucking chicks that are Amber herd supporters are coming after me on Twitter. Still, to this day, three days later, nonstop. Just kind of like, you don't know Amber herd. She was abused. And I'm like, this is fucking psychotic, dude. Like it is, they're digging up my old tweets. They're like looking up anytime I've said anything questionable and they're reposing. I'm like, idiot, I posted that. It's public. Are these real people, you think? I don't know. Or is this like a media campaign company? I think it might be a media campaign company because they all have a hashtag stand with Amber and their thing.

34:30I didn't even post her name in it. I just posted the joke. I'm not accusing her of this, but that is absolutely a real thing. Yeah. That is absolutely a real thing. There's a way that you can just defend a person or attack a person with bots. I think they're for sure using it. We know the Russians are using it. We know that they always find these troll farms. One of them they found that 19 of all the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were run by Russian troll farms. Really?

35:06What I found out that they were like Russia, like, interfering with the election, like with like social media and shit. I was like, that's kind of fucking awesome. It's badass. I wonder, they certainly tried. And I'm sure we try with theirs. The question is, like, was there like real interference? Well, because the thing was like the Russia hacked our election. I don't think that's true. I think you can push information. I think they, I know Trump and Biden both did this, right? They both had massive social media teams. I'm sure. I know comedians who have massive social media teams. So I'm sure that they both had like the best of the best.

35:41And yeah, they both went in and manipulated algorithms and did whatever they had to do in order to get their message in front of the most people possible. And that's the game now. That's a big part of it. Yeah, that's definitely a big part of it. But it's also, it's just like, this is not going to stop right here. This is what freaks me out. You know, this introduction to social media, like the whole country kind of freaking out. But it seems like more calm now, right? Like, what's next? Like, what is the next thing? Well, the next election cycle is going to suck. The election cycle is like another.

36:17It just sucks for, because you know what it is? People on the left, they start attacking like movies and comedy and music when they, when they feel like they're under attack. And when Trump was in office, the left was like, dude, we are under attack. This is like, we're losing the world. So they had to just anything, dude, any, any podcaster who, you know, I mean, dude, it was, it was, it was articles being written about, comedians like Shane and the Legionist Gangs. It was really crazy. And it was just because Trump was in office and they just felt like they were at war and they had a win. They had to get their wins where they can get them.

36:48And right now when Biden is in office, people are really leaving comedians alone. And I'm telling you, I think they just got it. We have this win. We don't really need to go after comics. I found this yesterday. I found it. It's kind of relevant. When Rockefeller Center was like empty in the 30s and 40s, the British security coordination organization came in. It's part of the British Secret Service. And as it says here that they used like that space was their head offices, the 35th and 36th floor of Rockefeller Center, where they disseminated and controlled part of the media for at least a year or two forward to it seems like.

37:27Wow. They disseminated stories picked up by radio stations played before the American public and they had to do that. Yeah, that was always the thing. They've always been fuck with us. Oh, I wanted to ask if this is true because someone was trying to convince me the other night that those stories of like bricks being left off in neighborhoods where protests has that been substantiated. I lived in New York during that time during the whole, it was, it was the BLM protests. Yeah, it was during the BLM protests and without a doubt, there was just fucking huge piles of fucking bricks in multiple places in New York City.

38:07I saw it with my own eyes. Weird. There was no construction happening. There would just be a fucking massive stack of heavy fucking cement bricks. Jesus. And it was out of nowhere. Somebody put them there. As it relates to side note, Emma, was that before the riots, had you ever noticed piles of bricks like construction sites. You would see a construction site and you would see, but they always, with a construction site. And once again, I smoke a lot of weed in public. So we were always looking for like back alleys and shit to smoke weed in stairwells. I used to sell comedy club tickets on the street.

38:39That's how I got my start and comedy in New York City all throughout the early 2000s. And you can't really get into construction sites. It's always chained off. They always have the sites are pretty controlled because people will steal shit. Right. Of course. You wouldn't just leave your bricks out, bricks are invaluable. Yeah. Because then if someone's coming home, they go, look at this, a fucking pallet of bricks. Yeah, I did. Grab them. That was definitely true. And I don't know, you know, the construction. So you saw more than one of those piles with my own eyes. Wow. Because I was, I was having this conversation.

39:08I was like, was that, was that real? Like, why did I hear that some of that was bullshit? Well, because the, but I didn't look into it. That's conspiracy was that. So I'm glad to know it. Sorry. The conspiracy was that, um, like the police were leaving it out or right wingers were leaving it out. So BLM, BLM protesters would use it and look worse. That was one of the theories. Huh. Um, was there another theory that they wanted to accelerate the possibility of chaos by giving people readily available weapons? That's the better theory. I'm gonna add to the conspiracy for sure. NYPD commissioner says bricks are being placed and then transported to peaceful protests.

39:48What? And also some and then calls them construction debris. What? I also saw a bunch of BLM protests and they were legitimately peaceful. I'm sure. And ones in New York City were like, it was, you know, they were just protesting. They were banging fucking drums. Yeah, that's crazy. They just left bricks out there. What is that? That's definitely different than all the other stuff we saw where it was like a giant palace. Yeah, they were right. But this is plenty of brilliant rocks that someone just dropped off and left with the box tops open. Yeah. Remember people were putting like rocks and milkshakes because the whole thing was.

40:27The construction debris. Throw milkshakes at like people. They had Nazis. Yeah. Jesus Christ. This is insane. But it's like, yeah, I mean, and I think the internet is a big part of the hysteria. People get worked up. People just didn't, if you have to give a fuck, right? Before you had to get a book, you had to go like really research and shit, right? You had to go, if you cared about something or you had to care. You had to really put in the footwork and physically care. Now people can sort of pretend to care while they're just being addicted to their phone, while they're being addicted to Twitter and all these other social media platforms.

40:59And they're being tricked into just, you know, looking at advertising because that's what it's all about. They get to also pretend that they care. They get to feel like they're doing something. And then it just starts to snowball. And then it turns into fucking like real chaos. And people like each other's throats about shit that people don't even really give a fuck about. If you're in the supermarket, like people are just cool. Like in real life, you're in the supermarket. Nobody gives a fuck about who voted for who. Nobody cares about, you know, what would your political beliefs are? We just call exists and we do what we do in real life.

41:24And then we jump on the internet and we just fucking, it's a war. Well, I think it's also got exacerbated during the pandemic, right? Because everybody was stayed in. They were at home. Their anxiety's high. They didn't know if they're going to be able to work again. Like who knows what the fuck's going to happen? Yeah. People were freaked out. And then they got a more freaked out on social media. And you're on it all day. Because you don't have a job. You're at home now. So that you're just kind of fucking weirding out in front of your Twitter all day. You know, like people have lost days and days of their lives.

41:56Just stare at other people's opinions all day long. I'd be embarrassed to tell you my screen time number. It's embarrassing. Do you know what yours is? No, I don't know what it is. It's fucking, mine's like nine hours a day. Wow. It's bad. That's not good. It's really bad. You can look at it. I think you just type in screen time to the search bar. Screen. Maybe not. I don't know. It's like nine hours. Like eight or nine hours a day. It's crazy. Whew. It's wild. You get it. Oh, I'm getting something's done. You pretend you're working. Yeah, but you also I'm tuning into the world. I got a check on on the world.

42:34Yes, what's going on? I'll turn the nerves. But really just hitting that button. What a weird addiction. Yeah, that was that documentary where they talked about like they designed it that way. When you refresh it, it does like a little physical like like little blip. And you want to see it. You want to see like another interaction. And it's like they they compared it to a slot machine. Right? You go, Boop, did I get anything? Did I win? Did I win? Did I win? Oh, I got likes. I got replies. I got whatever. And yeah, it's super addictive. It's also kind of in some ways we're kind of, there's something dehumanizing about it.

43:13Because more and more people are just communicating through like text messages and online social media and stuff and not communicating that much in real life. Yeah. I think kids are sending each other text messages more than they're talking to each other. Oh, yeah. You don't mean my son just got a phone for the first time. He's 10. Just got his iPad for the first time. It was a conscious decision that me and his mother made. We said, we're not going to have him be addicted to a screen. And staring at a screen all the time, you see kids and restaurants. As soon as they sit down, they give them a pad or a phone.

43:49And they are disconnected from the entire conversation. They're not making eye contact. I wanted to give my kid every chance possible in the world to be successful. And he's such a bright kid. He shakes people's hands. He looks them directly in the eyes. I mean, he's just such a little gentleman. He's the fucking best. And I think a big part of his is the fact that we just didn't enable him to do that. We didn't allow him to do that. But yeah, I'm super fucking scared of my kid growing up. Also, I'm just scared of my kid finding all the shit that I've said online. I have to like fucking, I have to like dude, I'm telling you right now.

44:22I think about that every day. Every day I'm like dude, he's going to fucking, he's because he's from this new generation. He's a good kid. He's a sweet kid. And he's obviously ten times more woke than I'm ever going to be, right? He's just the generation. And I'm so afraid that he's just going to look up the shit that I say. And out of context, just not really understand, you know, why we say stupid shit to make people laugh. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just secretly trying to make him racist. I whisper things in his ears that night when I put him to bed. Did you imagine your kid doing stand up? Would you even encourage it?

44:56I would not encourage it, but I would not discourage him from doing anything that he wanted to do. Like literally anything. Right. And he has done stand up. Really? Yeah, because he, so we did the roast at Skankfest in Houston for me. And we, me and my ex -girlfriend wrote him a few jokes and he did the jokes. Not at Skankfest, he did it like a video. And then, so he was really into that. And then I was at the stand one night with, just at the comic table, I brought him. And Bonne McFarland was there with, you know, and she's got kids. Well, Bonnie's awesome. Rich Boss's wife. And he was like, oh, I want to go on stage.

45:30I was like, James, you're not going to stage. If you want to go on stage, I was like, I, if you really want to go on stage in a few years, I was like, you can write some jokes. Take it seriously. Go to an open mic. Do it the way that a comic would do it, right? And he was like, okay, yeah, you're right, dad. And then I want to stage. And then two minutes later, Bonne McFarland comes in the room with him. And she's like, hey, put him on stage. And she shoved him up on stage. And yeah, he started roasting me and talking shit about me. And he did well. You know, he's a little performer, dude. He's in like musical theater.

45:56And he's like super well -rounded kid. Yeah, he does jujitsu now. He just wants his first jujitsu tournament. Gold medal first tournament. Congratulations. That's awesome. The best thing I've ever experienced as a father in my entire life was watching my son win a jujitsu tournament. There's nothing fucking better. Better than the day he was born by far. It was the fucking best. That's amazing. He dominated another dude's cum. That was that my cum went in there and dominated another dude's cum. I did that really. That's my medal. I wear the medal around the house. But it was really fucking, that was the coolest thing I've ever experienced in my life.

46:31That's very cool. Sounds like he's on a good path. That's awesome. Yeah, he is. Beautiful, man. But yeah, I mean, I, you know, fucking, I feel bad for like this next generation. Because I don't even think they realize that, you know, what's happening with that. It's just that addiction to your phone. That's really what I think it's going to be is eventually we're going to everyone's going to have this sort of opinion and attitude. Because people are starting to get wind of it that it's bad to be, to be on your phone that much. And I think just parents are going to just start saying like, yeah, no, you can't be on a fucking cell phone all day.

47:02You can't be on a fucking cell phone all day. And I think it comes down to us. I think we have to make a decision to do that with our kids. Yeah, you got to teach them discipline for sure. But also recognize that everyone is using these things and it's a part of civilization now. I really feel like if we could see the writing on the wall, we would be terrified. I think human beings are, we're slipping into some weird place where we're for sure within the next few years going to be connected to computers. Oh, yeah, how we're going to do it. I don't know how they're going to do it. Whether it's something you wear or something that's in you, but it's common kids.

47:42And it's almost like all these things are falling in line at the same time. Like all these endocrine disruptors and plastics that are fucking up, people's reproductive systems. And then at the same time, we're all getting addicted to phones and not as personal. You know, because people aren't really communicating, hanging out, just talking to each other without checking their phone every five. The future is going to be us looking at each other and downloading each other's thoughts. Oh, fuck it. Because you get air drop pictures and shit. Now it's literally going to be like here, take this picture just with a fucking thought.

48:16Yeah. And 100 % is going to happen. They're already doing shit. They're already making devices that can go in your body, that connect to other shit. I'm sure it's so much more advanced than we even know. Think about how much we don't know, right? There's got to be some crazy shit going on out there. For sure. Really unethical shit. Some big dark butt shit that's going on right now. Hey, what is, what was that thing? I want to see Elon Musk basement. What are the experiments that he has going on right now? That's probably 18 miles deep. What is that thing they did where they recorded human thoughts?

48:51Like someone was watching something and they got a recording of that. From something this person was wearing. I saw it. Yeah, brown. That is like, just think, Morse code was not that long ago.

49:10That was not that long ago. Yeah. And it seems like technology will just move now with AI. It's just moving faster and faster and faster. It's really cool, but it's also fucking terrifying. That's the shit that I'm terrified. Fuck asteroids, dude. This shit that we're talking about right now is a shit that keeps me up at night. No, is this it? Scientists recorded a pink Floyd song from Patience Brainwaves. Yeah, this is it. The tech could eventually allow for communication without words. What? 100 % if these eggheads keep going, we're fucked. Oh, yeah, dude. We're going to be doing crazy shit.

49:46That's the really like, and then you got to figure like, it's going to be who's rich. Who has the best computer built into their body? The same guy who can afford a fucking Lamborghini is going to have a super brain. And his computer is going to be faster than your computer. He's going to be able to download and upload information faster than you. It's kind of wild. You're going to have to be an early adopter. You would have to be like one of the people who gets the brain operation first. And then you'd be way ahead of everybody. Yeah, but that first one. We're going to fuck it. It's going to be a fuck after.

50:19Dude, it doesn't, the night before the operation, are you sure this is going to work, Harry? Harry? Look me in the eye. You're going to cut it into my brain. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure. I don't want to hear pretty sure, Harry. Yeah, dude. Any dude, it's fucking nuts. That's like this people on that, uh, that went on that, um, you know, the fucking submarine thing. Yeah. It's like, what a cool thing that must have been to like, sign up for you. Like, dude, we're going to go to see the Titanic. And then, ooh, that's fucking wild dude. That could have been you, Joe. You could have been down on that thing.

50:56No. Not a fucking chance in hell. Was it Mr. Beast? He said that they invited him to go do it. I am not hopping in that fucking backyard smoker and drop into the bottom of the ocean. Would you go to space? Right now, I'm like one of these charters. Fucking chance. You love space. Those things blow up. You have to go real fast to go into space, kid. Those things blow up. I'm not interested. Not until they get that shit down, like an electric car. When they get a spaceship that moves like a Tesla, just, yeah, okay, I'm in. Yeah, just not worth it. I get it. Look, story nights are beautiful. I get it.

51:36I get it. I get you'd want to like go out, get real high and come back down. I'm good. You can look and keep that. I trust that it's up there. I don't have to jump at the top of a cliff. I'm good. I'll just sit down and look at it from here. Like even as high as we get, like what we're calling space, like look, we've made it into space. We're like, looking that far off the earth surface. There's so much. Is that what, is that what those tours are? You just go into space for a second. Yeah. You just go like, come back down. Like you don't like go to space. You don't want to go land on the moon.

52:12I want to check out Mars. Fuckin' you. You're not going to Jupiter. Yeah. Fuckin' Dodge some fuckin' asteroids. You know what I bet they will be able to do probably really soon is to give you a VR representation of what it would be like to travel through space. Oh, I bet it already exists. I went, I had, yeah, there was a NASA thing that I had on my Oculus. Yeah, that was good. It was super cool. I mean, it was like, it was just a movie essentially. It wasn't like, I didn't get to like frame move. But it was like, I was on like a space station type thing. So you were like moving all over. It was really, really cool.

52:44Is this it? No. What is this, Jamie? I just looked up space, tripped out our spaces first and I popped up. Get the fuck out of here. Joe, you would go in that. What is this? This is a space elevator and it's going to fall and everyone. Okay. So you got a load bit of extra. Bro, I am not going in a fuckin' boom. A fuckin' boom. What if it gets hit by an asteroid? This looks like your studio, Jeff. Oh my god, it does. I can't hit a balloon. No rockets, no G4. No, listen. You got it. They have to do it a thousand times before I even think about doing it. Six hour journey. Six hour journey. See, that's crazy.

53:18If it's... Bro, I am not going up there. Perfect place for a rocket. Perfect place to fall to your death. How many fuckin' fail saves? Do you do nothing like... I'm sure, I say dangerous. I'm sure. Yeah. Do you do anything dangerous like... $1 ,125. $125 ,000? Oh, it... What? Refundable deposit. So 125 grand to go up in a balloon. Well, I hope it works. In six hours, I feel like that's kind of disappointing. I feel like space should be more than six hours away in a balloon. I'm scared of anything that people are trying out, like flying cars. I'm like, just drive that for a while. You drive it for a while.

54:06I'll be over here. Even like just a self -driving car is that fuckin '... Like, you hear about once in a while, they'll just fuckin' go haywire. Like, mistakes happen. Yes, mistakes happen. And then you're just in a car that you can't fuckin' stop. And it's like mowing people down this and that never... I have a Tesla I never put the self -driving on. Yeah. I mean, I do sometimes when I'm on the highway just for koo -fee's. Do -do. And it just drives itself. But I keep my hands on it. So it completely self drives. Yeah, completely self drives. Up to a point, but I don't let it. You know, it's just, it's just to me, it's just like, I'd rather just be really tuned into what I'm doing and paying attention.

54:42Yeah. My car, because I fall asleep, if I drive for more than an hour and a half, I don't care what time of day it is, I start to doze off immediately. I get like a road hypnosis, they call it. Do you have sleep app now? No. No? You sure? Yeah. I don't think so. Do you ever get a sleep study? No. Just guessing. Yeah, no, no, I don't snore though. No. Do you have to, do you have to snort have sleep app now? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of it's because you're choking. Mm -hmm. Super common with guys, especially guys that work out. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't snort at all. Or guys that are overweight.

55:13Yeah. But yeah, no, I, so I, I, on my car, I have an Audi and it has like all the lane chain, or the lane correction shit. Mm -hmm. So if I start to doze off, it'll just automatically shift back into the lane. Jesus Christ. It automatically keeps a certain distance between the car in front of me and the car behind me. Oh wow. Yeah. And I've still been into five accidents since I started driving again. After I moved, I moved out in New York City during the pandemic, 2020, and I've been in five accidents with the car. My insurance is $1 ,800 a month. Joe. What the fuck dude? Yeah, it's wild. Why is your bad at driving?

55:50Joe, I have, is it your fault? I get a road hypnosis and I fall asleep all the time. No, that hasn't been it. It's always, dude, I'm just a fucking pothead dude. And I'll just back up and I'll just, there's a fucking car and I hit it. And it's never anything bad. It's always like, oh, you know, a little boss. Yeah, yeah. But I called up my insurance company and I was like, what the fuck is going on? This is, I was mad at them. And I was like, they're like, so you've been in five accidents. We shouldn't even be insuring you. Yeah. And then that I changed insurance company's and now it's like $1 ,200 a month.

56:18Wow. For car insurance. Yeah. There might be a bargain. Maybe. Depends on your activity. Dorgie. That's not good though, dude. Is it because you just didn't drive for a long time before you lived in New York and now you're back driving? I drove when I was 16. I moved to New York when I was 19. Didn't drive for 20 -some years. Oh, that's what it is. And then I just came back and then I just, I got a little bit too, like the, the, all the bings and the dings when you're like back and up and you're almost hitting shit. It's great. But then I, I started depending on like a little bit too much and I just stopped paying attention.

56:50And then, you know, my phone will ring a look down and then here we are. I'm an offender, Bender. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. I feel like I'm a good driver. No, I bet you're not. But everybody thinks he's good at whatever. I'm a fucking awesome driver, bro. How do you define a good driver, right? Like, fine. If you take out my accident, I feel like I'm good at steering the car and turning it on turns. That's like if you're saying to your teacher, if you take out all my F's, I only got A's.

57:28I'm careless. I think I'm, I think I'm, I'm a bad person, but I'm a good driver. That's the problem. Well, the careless part is a bad driver, like by definition. Yeah, you're winning me over on this argument. Half, I'm not one you got to let it go. You know what I'm saying. You can't be good. I'll say right now I'm a bad driver. I've never said it publicly before. I've never admitted that to anybody, but I will say it to you right now, Joe Rogan. I am a bad driver. It's okay. Yeah, you get to get other things. It's normal. Especially you've taken that much time off, man. That's got a, that's a big readjustment as an adult 20 years plus of not driving than also on your driving.

58:03If you did road gigs, would you get rentals? I said that again. If you did road gigs, would you get rental cars? Before when I was living in the city. 20 years, yeah. Noted. No, I would do public transportation, Uber. I mean, really? I'm also a bad Uber rider. Like I'm bad. I have the worst. My Uber rating is like abysmal. Why is it so bad? Because I'm a dick to Uber drivers very often.

58:29Why Lewis? I'm going to tell you why. All right. So this is, it all came from New York City when I was in New York City. I live my life. Like I like to be, whatever it is, dude, I like to be right on time. Like I showed up exactly at 1230 today on the dot. I like to just, I don't like being early. I don't like being late. But when you live your life, that way you're very often late. Because things happen. One thing will go wrong. If the Uber driver made a wrong turn today, that's that, right? So very often when I would get into Uber cars, I would be running late for something already. And I'd be like really anxious and just like, oh, fuck, I gotta go, I gotta go.

59:04And then they make a wrong turn. They wouldn't pay attention to the GPS. Like if an Uber driver doesn't pay attention to the GPS and they start doing their own. I would expect, dude, what are you doing? I mean, come on, we gotta pay attention to the GPS. And then you're like, of course, we're gonna give you a one star immediately. So yeah, it was, it was that. But it was just, I'm not like that much of a dick. I just feel like people are very sensitive today. People are super sensitive today. And when people can complain that easily, with some little touch of my button, ruin your rating, sir. Yeah, it's a bad Uber rating.

59:34Well, you know, they don't know you though. People who know you know you're a lovable guy. And, but you know, on the surface, when you're yelling at someone about GPS, they might think this guy might be an asshole. I know. If they got to be your friend, they go, no, he's a great guy. No, that's just Lewis. That's just Lewis. He's a great guy. One of the things he does. But if you're like a sensitive person who's also, if you're driving an Uber, there's always this fear of picking up a psycho. Yeah. There's always this fear. Like so, even a little bit of an aggression towards an Uber driver. The Uber driver's like, where is this going?

1:00:06Yeah. You know, like how many Uber drivers have been murdered? I'm sure a lot. I don't know. But probably less than the cab driver's. If I look at the taxi cabs. Dude, you can throw. No paper in the 90s. In the 90s, there was a terrifying rash of murders in gypsy cabs, where I was living in New York. I was living in New Rochelle. And these gypsy cabs were getting, I'm good. These gypsy cabs were getting, like, heisted. And they'd just shoot them in the back of the head and steal all their money. And it was, you know, it was really horrible stories about these, like, poor immigrants who came over here.

1:00:45And they're driving these gypsy cabs and people are robbing them and shooting them. Yeah. My uncle Howard, God rest his soul, was a gypsy cab driver. And in the 90s, he was hitting the back of the head with a hammer. Jesus Christ. I just like to put a hammer into his skull. Didn't kill him. His, uh, it's a big guy. He was like, six, six, big fucking burly guy. And, uh, he had the midget stole his car. He rolled out. He was on the George Washington Bridge. And, yeah, but you could feel the hole was still in his head, dude. They never like filled the hole. Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, dude, I don't know what, type of doctors, when we were going to, they were supposed to fill that hole, I'm sure.

1:01:25But it was like an actual like, doctors back then. Yeah. I mean, if you got your knee operated on, I have a buddy of mine. It was on the US ski team and he got his, he has more operations than anyone have ever met. And he had his knees fixed in the 80s. When they used to open you up like a fish and they would take a chunk of your hamstring and just screw it all in place. And try to fix your ACL and maybe it'll stick and maybe it won't. And your legs compromised now because a chunk of your hamstring is missing. It was brutal. Shit. That sucks. He had bolt of his knee done like that. Yeah, I got to get surgery on my right knee now.

1:02:01I got a knee scope on my left knee. When you say you got a knee scope, so your ligaments were intact, but your meniscus was torn. Yeah, my meniscus was torn. Yeah, so they came in and they like cleaned out like all the little loose pieces. And it's still kind of sore beyond the treatment. It's going to be sore. It's going to be sore for a long time. Yeah, no, but it was a while ago. Yeah, I haven't gone to Jiu -Jitsu. I went back to Jiu -Jitsu too quickly. I went three weeks after I got the meniscus surgery. You got to weigh a lot of this. Yeah, I went back and I was like, yeah, I can do it. And then I was just walking out of the movies with my girl.

1:02:38We went to go see cocaine bear and we walked out and she said something and I looked at her. And then I just literally twisted my ankle. My knee just jerked again and now it's in pain here. And this one, every time I step off my right foot, it clicks. Every time. And remember, you hit me up and you're like, oh dude, reach out to the knee over toes guy. And I was like, I don't have your life. I can't just reach out to knee over toes guy. He's not going to be like, oh dude, sure, yeah, let me fucking answer this guy's questions. So I watched like two of his videos. I started walking around backwards and like fucking the city.

1:03:09People are looking at me like I'm a lunatic. I'm like, I can't do this. I'd rather have bad knees and walk around backwards. If you have a treadmill, that's the best way to do it. Did you try not a treadmill? I did at the gym. I couldn't get it to move. He said to do it without it being on. I think it was the treadmill wasn't designed to move when it wasn't on. But yeah, I was doing a little bit of backwards jogging. But yeah, dude, I haven't been able to go back to Jiu Jitsu since. Yeah, give it time. And another thing that could help you is if you've, did you ever get PRP in there or anything to help it?

1:03:42I'll play with it for a reason now. Platelet -rich plasma. That can kind of help heal after injuries help you heal. A lot of people like that for injuries. Maybe stem cells, maybe consider like going down to like that place in Tijuana. You know, get your knee like while it's recovering. Hit it with stem cells. That'll help you too. I should. I should do all these things. But I will probably just live my life in pain. But it'll fix it. It'll make it better. I really will. I know. I got to motivate, dude. I'm just always so busy that I never have time to take off to do shit. You know what I'm saying?

1:04:19It's really, yeah, it's tough. But, and I missed you Jiu Jitsu. You just do the fucking dude. It's so, what a badass fucking sport. It's so cool. It's very good for you. And that's good for your head. It was great, dude. Yeah, it's great for your head. Like the rest of the world seems like so, like not fierce some anymore. You just spent the last hour and a half trying to get guys not strangling. Yeah. You know, yeah. Trying not to get your arm broken. Yeah. Trying not to get your fucking back snap sideways. Every day you walk into it and go like, oh, I'm going to find out what I'm made of today.

1:04:55And that's like logically to go into and not like I'm going to be in a lot of pain today. Yeah. And to face that, it's similar to working out. But Jiu Jitsu is different because it's like, it just felt so much more real. Like actual live rolling and sparring. It's just, it was like, it's real. It's like you're really trying to fucking. Eddie Bravo said it best. He said it's like you're playing a real live video game. Yeah. Because you're playing a real live video game. Like you got a video fighting game. But you're playing it with your body. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I miss that. I really did. And it was something I really connected with my son.

1:05:24So we were like, you know, neck and neck. I got my blue belt finally. And just like being able to actually know what I'm talking about with him. It's really cool, you know. And being, you know, he trained him for this tournament. He was in class three to four days a week. But then we have Matt's at home. And I was just working with him at home a couple days a week. And it was just a cool way to bond with my kid on a different level. And that's why I really, really miss it for the most part. What's not overdue? Just be careful. Just be careful getting back. You can, you could fix that. Yeah. And now I'm boxing.

1:05:57And now I feel like a fraud every time I box as I'm like, dude, I could just take you down and fucking choke you out. This is like, you just feel like a fraud. It feels silly with like putting gloves on and boxing feels. You're thinking about it wrong, man. You're learning a skill. No, I know. It is awesome. It's still bad ass. Don't get me wrong. But when I think about it as like a martial art, I go, this just doesn't, it just doesn't seem like the same type of superpower that you just felt like. It's not, but if you don't have it, you're in real trouble. Because if someone has it and they're very fast, they can fuck you up before you can get close to grabbing them.

1:06:30And if they're athletic, they can avoid being taken down. Like it take down is not easy. That's like the hardest part of jujitsu. What if it's someone like parents Crawford? He used to wrestle. Yeah. He used to wrestle. Knows how to wrestle his kids from wrestle. And he knows how to box. Like, are you sure you're going to grab him and take him down? You're probably not going to do jack shit. I watch his - He's going to fuck you up standing. There was a good video and it was like just a jujitsu coach. And he brought in a professional boxer. And that was the whole exercise. He had all of his jujitsu guys trying to take this guy down.

1:06:58The guy could only box and they could only try to take him down. And this guy was just really good. And his footwork was incredible. And they just couldn't get close to him. He was just - He was toying with him. And it was - It was actually in a ring or a cage. No, this was just on mats, like in it. But it was walls. But it was - But it was - But it was - But it was just some space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, it was - It was just - It was a reminder. You're like, oh no, it's not a foregone conclusion that a jujitsu guy is just going to go take a strike or down and be able to joke him out. You got to get there, you know?

1:07:24Dude, especially in this day and age. How many kids grow up watching the UFC and start training at a really young age? Yeah. You never know who the fuck knows what. No. And if two guys decide to square off in some open field somewhere, like you - You're just taking roll in the dice. There's some - There's some great videos on the internet where you see people that know about fights and they break down street fights. Yeah. And they're always like, oh, you can just see who - Like the stance of the guy who knows how to fight. And you're like, oh no, this guy knows how to fight. This guy's about to get - Before they even throw a punch, you're like, this guy's about to get fucking annihilated.

1:07:57And, um, yeah, you'd never know. And that's why I became a pussy after I started training. I literally - dude, I'm - I'm afraid of everybody now. Because I know exactly how bad I am. I know exactly how slow I am. I know how old I am. I'm like, oh, dude, I am a fucking bitch. And I'm way more able to protect myself and my family today than I was, you know, years ago. But when I was a - when I was a kid, before I knew - I never knew anything about fighting at all, I would have fought anybody in front of me. I thought I was a tough guy. I really did. And then once I started training, I was like, oh, dude, I'm a tough - There's - literally, I'm the least tough person that I'm - That's in this class right now.

1:08:30Well, tough is one of those things that people like to think they are without any proof. Mm -hmm. True. You know, it's just - Like being a good driver. Yeah. It's real similar. Yeah. Everybody wants to think they're tough. That's a man thing. Yeah. We'll raise to be - And that's also - I think that's kind of - I don't think people lose that. Because my son is a nice kid and his mom's like, you know, super fucking liberal and very much a feminist, right? And, you know, we raise him, you know, very balanced. But he still wants to be tough. Mm -hmm. He still wants to be tough. He's still like fucking just has a thing in him.

1:09:04Little boys, they wrestle only, rough house, and they - And I don't think - I think it's just a natural thing that we have in us as dudes. And I think women naturally want to be pretty, and they naturally want to have, you know, nice things and take care of things. I think these are natural things that we sort of beat out of our - You know, beat out of ourselves or beat out of our children. Well, some people definitely do. And I think there's this phrase, like toxic masculinity. That's like the worst aspects of masculine behavior, right? So people associate even masculinity with the word toxic sometimes, just because together they're terrible.

1:09:39Yeah. You know, but yeah, it's not - it's not praised. You know, but it's so normal. As long as it's under control, and the best thing about Jiu -Jitsu and martial arts in general is the people that are - The practitioners of it. They're the - they're probably way less likely to get into street fights. They're probably way less likely to go and purposely hurt people. Yeah. They're probably way less likely to go and pick fights. And not 100 % because, you know, you always get bad apples. They're just - they're bad ass dudes, you know, troubled people that just learn how to fight and then become scary.

1:10:17Yeah. That does happen too. Yeah. It was war machine. That guy, I mean, just a fucking bad apple. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great story. But yeah, you'll see it's rare though. I mean, all the people at my gym, it's a lot of cops. It's kind of like - it's a lot of cops and then there's a lot of fucking just like potted's. And they just come - they all just meet on the mat dude and everyone's cool. Yeah. But - I used to roll with this cop and he was a good dude. He was funny as shit. But he said, I don't give a fuck if you've got a medical license. I'm busting you. I was like, dude, what's wrong? You know I smoke weed.

1:10:53You know a good guy. Like why are you so like a fucking the law is the fucking law man? He cared about the law. He was just like, I'm busting you. I wonder if like they have pressure to make a certain amount of arrests for sure. Oh yeah. There's quotas. Isn't that insane though? That's nice. Because imagine if just culturally we all agreed to like one month of no crime. And we like planned for it for a year and forget. And there was no one's speed. No one did anything. Yeah. Everyone stopped it every stop. Like the opposite of the purge. What did the cops do? What do they do when they have these quotas?

1:11:28Did they just start firing cops? What do they do? That's the big part of it. As dude, they have to give tickets. That's how they make fucking money. They have - I get so many parking tickets too. I'm bad at parking. I'm not only my bad at driving. So yeah, I can't even park the car. Right? I would get arrested in New York as a kid in my 20s. It was always on sweep nights. They would - they would have two nights a week where they would take in everybody for any like infraction. So very often you just get a ticket and to appear in court and then they'd give you a fine. Right? If it wasn't a sweep night, but if it was a sweep night and you could cut some open weed, piss in a public, open container, they take you to central bookings.

1:12:05You have to spend like 24 to 48 hours in jail, see a judge. And it was just this whole part of this process where they were just collecting cash. It is just collecting cash. That is what they're doing. Every person they're bringing in has to deal with the fine. And that's that. It's just a racket. That was the same thing with like stop and frisk. They were just literally - Right in tickets. Right in tickets. That's that. Yeah, a friend of mine was a cop. You used to say it's glorified revenue collecting. Yeah. Oh. That's what it is. And now they're figuring out they can make more money off of weed by having it illegal than off of writing tickets.

1:12:42Yeah. So it was at. Right. So they did fund the police. Yeah. They're driving us out of the city. It's fucking wild, dude. It's so dumb. All of it's so dumb. Yeah. Bro. It's just such a weird time for people in thinking. It's so strange because there's so many different changes that are happening all at the same time. They're all just kind of piling into each other in this weird chaos of change. Yeah. It's fast. It's fast. And that's where it's like, you know, that the speed - It's almost you don't have time to be comfortable anymore. You know, things just change so fast. There's always something new happening.

1:13:21There's always something to give a fuck about every week. There's something new that we're supposed to care about. Yeah. It's like at one point you want to just sit at home and just fucking go like, alright, let me just like enjoy life. At what point do you run out of room in your Twitter bio for flags? Yeah. I know. When we start getting involved with some other countries, dude. It's crazy. That was the best. I don't even have this joke anymore, but I was trying to talk about it in my act about how everyone cared about the Ukraine for like two weeks because then it became gay pride month. And June hit and then everyone just changed their flags to gay flags since everyone stopped talking about the Ukraine.

1:13:56They kind of stopped talking about Maui real quick. Yeah. It's the flavor of the week. It's whatever the new people don't have the attention span to care about something for more than a couple weeks. The Maui's, the Maui one is wild. Because here's a question. How much would it cost to rebuild every home that was burned in the Maui fires? How many homes are burned? Let's find out. Dude, I was on vacation and this all happened. I'm not going to miss the news cycle. I'm one of these people. I just really don't know much about it. I know that Maui, a bunch of homes burned and there's a lot of people that were displaced and a lot of people died too.

1:14:34Yeah, a lot of people are missing. Jesus. Yeah, it's a terrible, terrible, terrible story. 2200 buildings. 2200 buildings, about 86%, which are residential, will destroyed. The cost to rebuild is estimated to be 5 .52 billion. Now, as a point of reference, one of the checks that they sent to Ukraine, they had accidentally sent them 6 billion dollars more. Isn't that, wasn't that the number? Accidentally, wow. Wasn't that, they said there was like an accounting error. Yeah, but I don't think that that's how it would have been. Yeah, I know, I know. It's a little more complicated than that. But just as a point of reference, that would rebuild every house.

1:15:19Yeah. Just the accidental overpayment would rebuild every house. Dude. But imagine that the government with literally, they could just choose to do that, and everyone would get behind it, and they would rebuild every house. And everyone would be like, cool. Finally, the government does something good. But the problem is a lot of people are dead, man. A lot of people are dead. They don't even know the numbers yet. Yeah. It's very, very, very spooky and very scary. What was it started by? It was like a power lines fell and hit grass. You imagine it struck. It was horrifying, man. Just watching those people bobbing around the water while everything around them is on fire.

1:15:59It was fucking Maui. Who would have ever predicted that? That's never happened there. Yeah. That's why I live. It's, but you know, everybody's like, there's so many wild conspiracies. Like, fucking directed energy weapons were used. And there's all these like crazy conspiracies about people preparing for this fire in advance. Like every time something like this happens, just the super sketchy conspiracy theory start flying out. People are bored. They want something. Yeah. There's got to be a story. You know, there's got to be a villain. It can't be just some simple shit. Well, also, a lot of times there's real villains out there.

1:16:42Yeah. That's the other thing that sucks. It's like, I know sometimes people are looking for villains that aren't there, but that's because they found a bunch. And since like if you go mushroom hunting, you know, and you find some really good mushrooms, you know, you keep going mushroom hunting. Right. You know, they're gonna, they've found a lot of things that turn out to be real. And you're like, what the fuck, man? Yeah, do every time the problem with conspiracy theorists are they believe all the conspiracies. So it's like, dude, if you just, if you were like, hey, dude, I believe they're at this flat.

1:17:10You know, that's what I believe. But it's like, they also believe that fucking dinosaurs aren't real. Yeah, it's like, like you. You do their bombs, aren't real. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy, dude. Just pick one and then maybe you can convince me of it. There are this flat thing. I've never had anybody be able to even articulate in a way where I understand why they think that. It's not. You could watch one of those videos and you could be compelled if you don't have a good understanding of what's actually available in terms of satellite technology and how they've been utilizing it forever and how you can take the images that are from Japanese satellites, America's, they show everything in the exact same place.

1:17:50There's no disparity in terms of like, wait a minute. They think Africa's shaped like this. And we, wait a minute, where's the ice wall? There's no ice wall. Like, okay, it's like, it looks like every other fucking planet we've ever found. It's round. Yeah, I did it. This is the one that's not round. So it's, it's in a lot of ways, it's a biblical thing. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure in the beginning, it started as a troll. I really think so. Right. I think there's a lot of these 4chan guys. They've never heard about the fucking, these guys are amazing. I think these are real people that are just bored.

1:18:23Yeah. They just, they just come up with some shit and they, they implement it. For sure. I mean, these are the same guys that, remember when that dude, the actor, Shia La Booth, he had this website about Trump and is like, he will not divide us. Yeah. And he, he, he like had a flag that was streamed 24 -7 Yeah. from his website. And these super nerds online, they figured out exactly where it is in the country by looking at the stars in the background. Yeah, that's right. And then like figuring out where the constellation would be, where we'd go. And then they all started showing up. Yeah. And so they started honking their horns to hear if they heard themselves on the webcam.

1:19:04Yeah. And then the guy finds the flag, takes it down, and looks at the camera, goes, fuck Shia La Booth. How do you know that? How do you know that? How do you know that? Shia La Booth probably loves that. Honestly, it's objectively hilarious. Bro, it's objectively hilarious. Yeah. That's hilarious. And the crazy thing is Radio Lab did a podcast on it. And it was a really funny podcast. It was really good. Radio Lab's a great podcast, by the way. And they did this podcast on it, and then they wound up taking the podcast down. Because people were offended that these people on Forchan, who are responsible for this, like these people, they say, horrible things online, and inappropriate things, and racist things, and they show violence, and you're, you know, you're supporting them.

1:19:51So they look... You're just as a whole for, like, anyone on Forchan is considered a racist or violent? That's the idea. I don't think... I think there's just a lot of chaos on those places. Yeah, when you're anonymous, you can... And it's funny, like, that's just the truth, right? Trolling is funny. There's a great episode of South Park, where they get into it, and then the dad, stands dead, ends up being like a big internet troll. And he's just, you know, they're torturing some fucking female athlete, and they're trying to get her to kill herself. That's the angle of the fucking... Jesus Christ.

1:20:24And there's a moment where, like, he's just so frustrated, because people don't understand why he's trolling, and he's just like, it's just funny. And as a comedian, you have to... I get trolled fucking endlessly, dude. I mean, so much. I really get it a lot online. You know, Legion of Skanks fanbases, we make fun of each other so much, that that's almost the language that we speak. So most of the time, it's just fans. Most times, people that actually like me. But when you remove yourself from it, and they fucking get you with a good zinger, a good, funny one, you have to just laugh sometimes.

1:20:55I retweet it. I'll fucking, you know, it's part of their experience on the internet is fucking saying mean things sometimes. Yeah. And what we have to pay for being able to legitimately live our dream, right, is sometimes people are gonna say mean things about us. And if that's it, that's a fair trade. That's not a bad trade -off at all. You know, you know, sometimes they get you with some... Some some real truth. They hit you with some truth. You gotta look in the mirror. But it also keeps you in check and make sure that you're fucking... You're not really turning into a fucking Hollywood asshole.

1:21:27That could happen. That could happen. It happens a lot, yeah. It does happen to a lot of people. And it's confusing when it happens to some. Because you're like, God damn they got you, bro. Yeah. They got you. Like, you used to do that show. You're okay. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of those guys. They just, they just want to be safe. They just want to be safe. They want to be comfortable. They want to keep that money flowing in. Yeah. And, okay. That seems like a trap. Like it seems like you have to stay that person forever. And if you ever rethink your ideas, now you're in trouble. Because now you're connected to a certain group of people that think a certain way.

1:22:04And everybody sort of decides what everybody else thinks about Ukraine or trans kids or the climate, the electric vehicles. I want to see people who also just like don't fall in line on one side. Like, everybody, it's like every, even like COVID was the craziest thing, right? Watching that happen, watching that become politicized. I was like, how is this possible? I mean, like, it's just like, at the very least, whether you think it's like real or not, it's not about like a political belief, right? If you were afraid of it or if you weren't afraid of it or if you believed in getting the vaccine or didn't, it just became such a politicized thing.

1:22:36And I was like, you're a Nazi, if you didn't want to get a vaccine, you're like, how is that possible? How did you jump to Nazi? Whether it's intentional or not, it was like a siop was run on America. Whether it's intentional, not. If you're a conspiracy theorist, you think it's intentional. If you're not, you think that the measures that they put in place led people to be isolated in extreme anxiety, which has kind of never really happened before, to collectively, to mass groups of people. And then, and then they're on social media all the time, which is very disconnected from human interaction.

1:23:08And we get to watch them get more isolated from each other and more polarized and also more susceptible to propaganda. Because a lot of critical thinking people that in the past would have questioned pharmaceutical drug companies, all of a sudden were all on board. Crazy. Who's on board with pharmaceutical drug companies? It's citing the data. And I'm like, why don't you trust the science? That was the craziest shit ever. It's just watching people, you're like, how are you not at least questioning it? We have a brand new drug. We're putting into our body. How are you not saying, hey, you know what?

1:23:40At the very least, go, I wonder if that's going to be safe. I wonder if that has been tested. It's both safe and effective. Right, exactly. How are you gonna, how are you gonna? But it is both safe and effective. Of course, well, of course. Now, Elsi said it out about AZT. Yeah. Back in the AIDS crisis. There's a video, see how you can find that. Video Fauci talked about AZT being safe and effective. But it was a story of AZT's was not. That's the thing that killed everybody. Oh, really? Yeah. The AZT was a chemotherapy medication. They stopped using cancer patients. Yeah. It was having a negative outcome on cancer patients.

1:24:14Like it was killing them. That's crazy. Wow. And they kept people on that. Yeah. Dude, you got to read or listen. Do you listen audiobooks? Yeah, I listen to audiobooks. Listen to Robert F. Kennedy Jr's The Real Anthony F. Does he read it? Because I, dude, Jesus Christ. Are you fucking crazy? Yeah. Fuck this. I can be nightmares, dude. You know, he believes that injury actually came from flu shots. Because it's a throat injury. It's apparently whatever disease that he has is also a side effect that some people get from some flu shots. Wow. Well, now I feel bad. I thought he said a shitty voice.

1:24:59Yeah. Now I feel bad that I made it front of his. Yeah. He suspects that that's where it came from. Because he used to get like yearly flu shots. Yeah. Steve O. His voice. Jeremiah Walken just told me this on my podcast the other day. Steve O. His voice is like that from vomiting. No, from vomiting so much. From he would just, like, party's like, you know, throw up, you know, goldfish and it'd puke on each other all the time and it just burned his vocal cords. That's literally the nastiest injury I've ever heard of him in his life. He's such a sweet guy. He's the best. I always want him to stop hurting himself.

1:25:31Yeah. When I'm around him, I'm like, stop hurting yourself. He's literally one of the sweetest, warmest people. Sometimes you meet, I don't like meeting famous people. It makes me uncomfortable as fuck. Like, I'm just, you know, I'm just not, you know, I'm just not built to hang out with famous people, right? Some people are, Shane Gellis loves meeting a fucking famous guy and fucking party with him for a weekend. That's crazy, dude. He's party with me. He does this weekend. Who does that? Nobody just meets him and goes off and does that. But, you know, fucking, uh, oh, shit, I'm sorry. I'm highest fuck.

1:26:00What was I, who did I bring up? Party in my face. Steve O. Yes, Steve O. I mean, just one of the most down to earth people I've ever met when I first met him just couldn't be anymore. It's like a normal dude. Yes, super nice. Yeah. And his wife. They're just super cool. Super nice people. They're just so kind. Easy going. Sweet guy. Sweet guy. Big comedy fan. Fun dude, man. Just fun dude. Fun dude, be around. Oh, it's a sweetheart. It's nice when you meet people in their, you know, they're super famous, but they're also like, like, post Malone. It's like genuinely friendly guy. Yeah, you said I'm on right?

1:26:34Sweetheart of a guy. Had him on and then we went and did Killtony together. Yeah. Oh, I heard that episode. And Metzka was on a team, right? So fun, dude. Yeah, it was so fun. It was so fun. Fuckin' David Lucas. David Lucas is so funny. He said, he told Post Malone, looks like an unemployed crocodile hunter.

1:26:55I was fuckin' crying. Is this it? I don't know. Let's hear you there. Play it. Sir.

1:27:18Yeah. Save it, if I could do baby? That's the drug that killed everybody. Yeah, it's fucked up. I just know it from the play rent. Yeah, it's also Dallas Buyers Club. Yeah, that was the whole, yeah, that's what he was selling. Yeah, man. That is what it was. Yeah, that's a real story. Dude, AIDS was something that I was... That's the scariest part of that book. That's the scariest part of that book is the AIDS crisis stuff. Yeah. Dude, AIDS was like, my generation, I mean, you were already like, you were already like, banging, you're a little bit older than me, so like... Well, when I was a kid, I remember when Magic Johnson got it.

1:27:51I was in my car on the road driving. Was it like, 89 or something? When you were here, was that 90? He was a little later than that. Was it? I think when did Magic Johnson say? 92, I want to say. Why is that? Maybe 91 or 11. Yeah, because I remember well and I was born... So when I was seven, I just wouldn't have been that connected with... I was maybe like 10 or 11 when... 91. 91. Okay, so I think I was still living in Boston at the time. And I remember, yeah, definitely, because I remember driving down the road. And I remember that feeling like, oh my God, everyone's going to get AIDS. Yeah.

1:28:26That's what I thought. Everyone's going to get AIDS. That's it. If Magic can get it. And then I had to get insurance. I got to get health insurance. So I had to get a blood test for AIDS. Oh. And I remember just panicking. Panicking. My first AIDS test, I fucking cried. I had had sex with one person. I mean, I was a guy with AIDS, but... No, I lost my virginity to my girlfriend. And I got an AIDS test. I was like, that's it. To this day, I really bad anxiety if I go into the doctor. Like I said, I'm terrified. I'm going to get cancer one day. And dude, AIDS was such a fucking thing that they were like, you're going to probably get AIDS kids.

1:29:06In health class, they would come in and talk about it. It's... Terrified. People were terrified. And that was terrified. There was, you know, that made for TV movie about the kid. They got... Ryan White Story. Yeah, the Ryan White Story. And that was another thing. It was like, don't become blood brothers with your friends. Oh, God. Is that how you got AIDS? No, no, no. There was a scene in the movie, which I don't know if maybe they dramatize it, but they go to become blood brothers. They all want to do it. Right. And he was responsible. And I was like, no, I can't. I'll tell you guys why I AIDS.

1:29:39Oh, boy. And then they went back and told their parents and the parents were like, get this fucking AIDS, get out of the school. She's gonna fucking... Christ. I don't know how much of that's actually true, but I believe that's what I remember from the movie, and it was like, the story was that children normal just fucking regular children could get AIDS. And I know it happened. He got it from a blood transfusion, I believe. But yeah, dude, it was a real like just genuine fear that they put into us. That was genuinely just stupid. None of us were gonna get AIDS unless you were using needles or having, you know, butt sex with...

1:30:13Do you remember the wildest thing that people were doing? There were bug catchers? Yeah, they were trying to get AIDS. You were running around trying to get it. Yeah, dude. What? That's some deviant shit dude. That's some fucking... That's some deviant shit. That is some dark shit. We're all on the whatever spectrum of devious, you know, we are all on the spectrum to a certain degree. Whatever deviant shit you like, you know, when you're in the bedroom, we all do our own shit and we all like our shit. And, you know, I understand that just from that perspective. Right. That's just somebody who's like, I want to fucking live on the edge.

1:30:46I bet it's not even... Or maybe it's not even they want to get AIDS. I bet it's the fear of, are they gonna get AIDS? It's like... Right. Like, I like the fucking public sometimes, right? I don't want to be seen fucking in public. I like the fear that somebody might catch us. Right. Bad boy. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah. Might just get in horror right now, Joe. Talking about this girl. No, yeah. But I think that that is just like a, it's another level of fucking deviousness that they're like... That's a crazy wish to get a deadly disease. Yeah. Unless you don't believe in it. But I wonder how much of that was...

1:31:19It's a dumb story. There's probably very few people. It's probably like three dudes. Yeah, it's probably not super popular. But if you get on social media and you're a bug chaser, I bet you get a lot of hits. Oh yeah, oh yeah. If you're a bug chaser, oh dude, this guy's with AIDS like, finally. Finally, I don't have to have this weird conversation. That's fucking wild, dude. Imagine having AIDS. Oh my god, that would suck. I just can't believe it. And they say, oh yeah, you could live with it forever now. You just take, it's undetectable. Do you still have to tell everyone you have AIDS? That sucks.

1:31:57Yeah, it's undetectable. Can you give it to people when it's undetectable? I don't think so. I think if you're taking like prep and it's undetectable, if you're test... It'll test you for it and you can't transfer it. That's what they say. That's what they say. That's what they say. I'm comforting for someone who might give you AIDS. I had a guy on early, early in the podcast. His name's Dr. Peter Duzberg. And he's a professor of biology from the University of California. A Duzberg? Yeah, do you know what he has? He believes that what was going on with their immune systems was mostly caused by partying.

1:32:32He said, if you look at all these guys who are having this disease, these guys are all engaging in group sex. They're all taking methamphetamines. They're taking an email nitrate. Ecstasy. Poppers. They're doing all these wild party drugs. These guys that specifically are getting like very sick are also doing these wild party drugs. And he thinks the wild party drugs is killing them. Right. And then introducing AZT kills more. Right. And it's a crazy... It's a crazy position to take because I think he lost his funding. This is also in the real Anthony Fauci book. He lost funding. He's a professor.

1:33:14He's a tenured professor but he can't get funding for anything. Like everybody sort of shuns them. And he did like legitimate work in cancer. So he's a legitimate biologist. Like for him to believe that... He believed that the reason why HIV existed in these people that had AIDS is that HIV is a weak drug, a weak virus rather. And it exists in a person who's got an immune compromise system. And that a normal person would just fight it off. That it's not strong virus. But what... You wouldn't even get it? He was saying it was not a symptom that having HIV, his belief... I'm fucking this up, I'm sure.

1:33:48But I think it was that having HIV didn't mean that that was what was giving you the compromised immune system. But the fact that your immune system was compromised was probably why you had HIV. And that even in babies that test HIV positive when they're young, a lot of times they're HIV negative later. Find out if that's true. But it was a weird conversation because I was like, how could this one guy be right? How could this one guy be saying this? And I'm not really qualified to dispute it. You know, I don't know what the fuck is right or wrong. I'm just trying to figure out which person's telling the truth.

1:34:30And when you talk to him, you're like, he's a very intelligent guy. What does it say here? If the virus did not infect the baby, the baby will eventually lose its mother's antibodies and test negative for HIV. A baby born to an HIV positive mother will... Well, thus always test positive for HIV. Whether that newborn baby is truly seropositive or not. So it says again, if the virus did not infect the baby, the baby will eventually lose its mother's antibodies and test negative for HIV. Huh. So it's HIV negative. So it's the baby that tests positive for HIV, then test negative later. Yeah. That I don't know if he's right.

1:35:12It doesn't make sense that he's right. All these other virologists, all these other people that have different opinions. Well, I think just being healthy just in general, you know, my assumption is that's why magic Johnson, everyone's like, oh, he, you know, obviously him having money for good drugs helps. He is a professional athlete. I'm assuming he just super fucking healthy. He listened to his doctors. He wasn't out there doing drugs and partying. How did he get it? Was it ever disclosed how we got HIV? I don't know. He said they're heterosexual sex. And you didn't know which partner. Right.

1:35:45You'd be the only guy ever. Like, what do you consider heterosexual sex? Like, what's normal? You guys become blood brothers? Like, what are you doing out there, bro? What are you doing? We're the one guy who gets it from heterosexual sex. I remember there was an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, which was a great show on showtime back in the day. Yeah, that's great show. Fucking great show. Like, way ahead of its time. Before, like, there was a lot of podcasts out there. Before, there was like, it was just a fucking really good show. And they were just kind of the spell Bullshit in each episode.

1:36:17And they talked about AIDS. And they just went over the numbers of how unlikely you were to get AIDS. If you had sex even with an HIV positive woman because of how much it exists, you know, I guess, with an vaginal fluid. And I was like, oh, really? The whole fucking time? It was great. And then I remember we ended up watching the movie Kids after that. You remember the movie Kids? Harmony Korean movie? Yes. And the whole point of that movie is that fucking, you know, the girl gets AIDS. And she's trying to find the guy that gave her AIDS throughout the whole movie. There's a normal sex, right?

1:36:48Yeah. So in my mind, I'm going like, all right, the whole plot of the movie doesn't make fucking sense. Probably to begin with. But then the very last scene of the movie, the big ending, a spoiler alert. One of the other guys that is in the movie ends up date -raping the girl with AIDS. She's like passed out on drugs on the couch and he's like, he gets AIDS. Well, yeah. So that's the big like, don't don't. Now he has AIDS. Right. You assume. But after that, I'm like, he probably didn't get AIDS. He probably just got away with it. We thought you get AIDS if you just like kiss somebody back then.

1:37:17And it was terrified. Did I meet out with a girl from South Africa when I was like 20? And I remember, and she was white. And I was like, dude, Africa. They have like huge AIDS. I remember being like, dude, this is it. I got AIDS. Her teeth were probably bleeding. Yeah. The Africa AIDS thing is crazy. Like how did it go? There's certain countries where it's literally like a third of the population. That have AIDS? Yeah. And in those countries, how many of them are in severe poverty? I'm assuming all of them. Right. So then they're also severely malnourished. That's always the case. Yeah. Like I wonder how many of those people they actually test for HIV?

1:37:54I wonder how many of those people they declare AIDS because their immune system is severely compromised. I wonder what the number is. Yeah. Because you got to imagine that a lot of those people that have, let me, are acquired immune deficiency syndrome. If you have like a serious, obvious culprit, like no food, tainted water, like terrible living conditions, dirt floors. Like that's going to fuck your immune system up too. Yeah. Everything's going to fuck your immune system up too. You're starving. Yeah. You know, it's just diseases are fucking horrifying. It's just horrifying to think that there's a thing that can just take out giant swaths of the population.

1:38:35And they know we're horrified of it. Oh yeah. That's what sucks. Yeah, they're kicking up some more dust about another COVID now. Yeah. There's certain things that have gotten closed down. What sucks is they know now they know what gel. You think people will? I think a lot more people are going to be way less willing to sit inside, not go to work. There's a cult that emerged, the branch COVIDians. Everybody knows it. There's a bunch of people that are out there that are in a fucking COVID cult. Whether they realize it or not, it's a segment of, it's not even necessarily left wing. There's some right wing people that are part of this.

1:39:08But these fucking people, they committed to it. They got it. They told other people to get it. And because they did that, they're never going to see the light. Yeah. They're just not going to. And they're lining up to get boosted now. That's crazy. It's wild. Yeah, I didn't do it. I didn't really live like the pandemic was happening. I still did comedy. I was on flights where it was me and like three other people during it. I didn't, if I just, I just, anywhere I could go, I went on vacation a few times, I went to Jamaica, I would just take a COVID test to fly, then I had to take a COVID test to fly back.

1:39:42Yeah. I just didn't want it to affect my family like that. That's why we moved out to Jersey. Do Jersey? It was like night and day difference. And Jersey is a blue state. But like, I mean, not, I just don't, I don't even think it is. I have no idea how it's a blue state. Because there's so many fucking American flags on like front lawns in New Jersey. Yeah. Every all over New Jersey. Well, it came that close to going Republican. Yeah, I better down to the wire. Yeah, I better to close one. But yeah, I mean, I just wanted to, you know, just fucking have some space. The city was so locked down and so I learned how to drive.

1:40:15It's almost cheaper to just take ubers now at this point. Is it really? Yeah, well not parking and everything. Yeah, with parking, with insurance, with, you know. Yeah, especially your insurance. Yeah. Yeah, but if you want to do a road gig, Jersey always had great road gigs, fun road gigs. Yeah. There's always a lot of them. Yeah, Jersey's got a bunch of cool places. Yeah, there's always like when, when I was there in the 90s when I was coming up, there was always places you could headline, this weird spots. Yeah. Down the shore. Because it was, you know, a branch of New York City. There's so many great comics right there that rooms just start popping up all over the place.

1:40:49Yeah. Especially during the summer. Yeah. Oh yeah, there's a place, um, um, Uncle Vinnie's down the shore. Now, it's a little fucking, I mean, dude, it's hilarious. It's a little shitty comedy, but it's awesome. I, Dean knows the fucking man, shout out to Uncle Vinnie's. Go support that place. No. But it's just like a little road spot. You go down the shore, you try, he books me every fucking feb. How about you book me in the summertime dickhead instead of February when it sucks. But yeah, there's a bunch of places that are just like that that are, you know, just easy to get to. And back in the day, like you just wanted to work his spots in the city.

1:41:25When I started, we're fucking 50 bucks on the weekends, 20 bucks on the week nights. There was just no way to sustain, you know, a living. You have to go take road gigs, 500 bucks, 600 bucks. Mm -hmm. But I was a little bit, I'm lucky because when I really started headlining, we already had the podcast, we already had a little bit of an audience. So I didn't have to do those like really like shitty gigs where you got to go perform for people who don't know you don't want to see you. Right. Which exists in like cities. When you go to like, you know, a city like, you know, New York, not for you, but like for most comics.

1:41:57Like the audience is just there for the show that I'm right there for any particular comedian. Right. And I think you get a real gauge as to what's good with those types of audiences. You definitely do. Yeah. It's like you have a lot of different places where you could work in New York and in Jersey and everywhere. Yeah. There's all these different, like having all those different looks, very important. And those late night shows when everyone's tired, those are important too. You get to see the bullshit in your act. Yeah. You know, late night crowds, 30 people there. How do you do that now? How do you see the bullshit in your act?

1:42:32Because you're so fucking famous. You have your own club. Like how do you, there's got to be something, right? There's got to be like, because they're going to hang on every word you say, right? And they're going to fuck you. You're going to, I, when's the last time you didn't crush Joe? You, you still are trying new shit. You're still going to fucking paint yourself into dark alleys. Yeah. If you try a new shit, you're going to, you're going to paint yourself into a dark alley. But you, your comfort level's different. So you get, you're like, I'm better at getting out of those. Yeah. But if you're writing new stuff and you're fucking around with it on stage, which is really how you have to kind of do it, I always have like a general idea what I think is funny about something.

1:43:07And then when I bring it on stage, I'm like, but what the fuck is, why are we doing it that way? And then, and then I can like sort of expand on it with all these points that I have. But I kind of piece it together on stage. Yeah, you got to put it together on stage. Sometimes it's, sometimes. Well, some, some guys just write the jokes down. And then they go and tell them on stage like that. And like, that's, that's crazy. I know comics that like just write. Yeah. And they write their stand up in their cadence. Mm -hmm. And then they go on stage and tell it. I'm like, I, every time I tell a joke, it starts off with some dumb idea, where I'm like, it's just a little kernel.

1:43:39Like maybe one or two punch lines. And then I try to like build it out from there. Or maybe I have a couple jokes about a similar topic. And you try to put it together and make it like a chunk. But it always has to be worked out with like the reaction of the audience. And that's why it's really important, you know, for them to be there. And those late night shows, we used to do check spots in New York City. Have you ever done a check spot? Yes. It would drop fucking checks. I mean, you do it as a headliner. You know, most clubs still have, you know, they still drop the checks on the headliners, which is a terrible way to do it.

1:44:07Well, the check spot is someone who comes out specifically to do stand up while the checks are getting dropped. So you get like, like, ten minutes set. Yeah, like ten minutes. And literally you're just, people are pissed off. They're paying way too much for drinks. People go into the bathroom. They're gonna not paint attention. They're trying to get their weight or attention. And you have to dig yourself out of that whole dance odor was the check spot guy at Sandup New York when I met him. He was the guy, like every check spot on the weekends. And if I can turn him into a killer, it turned him into a real killer dude.

1:44:35It was such a tough spot. But you, it made you really good at just being in that moment. And you're just not nervous anymore because it's the shittiest spot possible. Yeah. But yeah, I think those things are good to have for young, young comedians need that. They need, they need pretty shitty rooms. They need reps. Yeah. Right? Yeah. No, that's, that's fucking an important part of like having a lot of clubs around too. You got a lot of places to do stuff like that. Yeah. Well, that's why Austin's great now for comedy is because you guys legitimately just created a scene. Like, I had a nowhere.

1:45:07It was, I mean, there was a scene here. There was actually a good comedy scene before you guys, before the creep, before these clubs actually started opening up. But like, now it's like legitimately like five or six real clubs. And then there's like 15 or 20 rooms. It's like New York was in the 90s. That's like a really good place to develop. Yeah, it's fun. And then there's Cap City at the domain where a lot of guys are coming in and doing that for the weekends. Yeah. I still haven't been. Have you been? No, I do the creek. I want to just see it. Yeah. I've never been. I hear it's cool. I know that area.

1:45:40I was just in that area. Yeah. Yeah, Austin's amazing. It's just fucking hot as balls, dude. I don't understand how you guys do this shit. It's fucking, it's 100 degrees every day in September. Yep. There's a, I don't even, somebody told me this the other day, it's a great death metal band name. I don't know the band, but the band's name is Texas in July, which is such a brutal fucking name for a band. That is a brutal name for a band. Yeah. Like Scorpion Dick. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's hot as fuck here, but I like it. Yeah. It doesn't bother me. Well, if you're in shape, it's been like, uh, when I'm in shape, I like you being a little hot.

1:46:18You get a little sweaty. You're like, oh, it's fucking great. It feels healthy, you know? Mm -hmm. But when you're fat, dude, it just sucks. Dick. That makes sense. You see fat people here, like what is wrong? You just move. Leave. Well, they have so much insulation, too. If you're a really large person and you're just like, thick with fat, like fat in your arms, fat everywhere, that's like you and I wearing like large coats, like thick, heavy coats everywhere you go. Like that's gotta be a lot of insulation. Yeah. All that body fat and then you're out in the heat cooking, like a brisket. Brutal, dude.

1:46:50I used to, uh, when my son's mother was pregnant, I weighed 320 pounds. I got big. Jesus. We just ate the whole fucking time. Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, being fat in New York City in the summertime is a nightmare. Walking up and down the subway stairs, I mean, it's just, it's really, how did you pull yourself out of that? Uh, stired and exercised. You know, I've done it before. I was, I was 323, 330 pounds in college and then I started, uh, just sort of working out when I was like 26, 27. I am. So when you were really young, you did it. You, you, you got that big. Yeah. When I was 19, I was like 3 30.

1:47:27How did you get that big at night and night? I started smoking weed when I was like 17. Just eating everything. Dude, it was, dude. We just, when you're broke, you, you have $10. Right. Let's say you get together with four of your friends. We have $10 each. We come together with $40. $20 for a bag of weed and $20 to feed us. It's not like we got a pizza. We went and got like bags of chips and fucking candy bars and like we just, we just, it was that summer. That's first summer sort of smoking weed. I blew the fuck up. But it was the, dude, it was so great. It was so, I loved it so much. I was straight.

1:48:01I was like, I was, it was a point of pride that I had never done a drug. And I was like, no, I'm not, yeah, I'm not into drugs. It's not cool. And then one day me and my friends just decided that we were going to go smoke weed. Me and my buddy Dave Green, my buddy James and me, we're like, we're just going to do it. Let's just try it. We're about to graduate high school. Let's get stoned. And we were going to see snowcore, snowcore 2000. It was system of a down inkibis, Puyah and Mr. Bungle. It was a big metal show. And system of it, I was like my favorite band at the time. And we ended up just getting super stoned in my elementary school parking lot.

1:48:30And then going to that concert that night and seeing like our favorite bands just high for the first time. It was just the perfect like, dude, I laughed so fucking hard. The first time I got high and I just fell in love with it. It was just this thing. I was connected with it. I just never stopped really smoking since then. There's been a couple times where I've taken breaks. But it was like fucking, I loved it. I really loved it. Well, I think it hits everybody different. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. It hits everybody's mind, everybody's body different. Some people it's just not for them.

1:49:00And I get it. Yeah. But the fact that it's illegal just drives me crazy and so stupid. It wasn't, it didn't divide the administration considered bringing it down to instead of a schedule one, they were talking about making it a schedule three. How many states are, is it legal at this point? Because I feel like it's legal almost everywhere I go. It's legal most states now. Yeah, like recreational. I think it's like more than 30. Jersey and New York are both recreationally legal. How many states is it legal? I'm asking Jamie for multiple Googles at the same time. Welcome to being a podcast producer.

1:49:4023 states include also DC Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. Nice. That's recreational. That's recreational. So that's 26 total for recreational and then mid -dissignal. How many for that? Because that shit's easy to get a card. Yeah. And California, they just can't wait to give you a card. I got one in Jamaica because they, they, they, now it's record. I'm sorry. 40. 40. 40. So 40 states were marijuana is at least in some form. Yeah. And then you're more have it. Sorry, sorry, four more have CBD also with a little bit of THC like Texas has like that point. 3 % thing you can do. Yeah. That's most places have that which is that's just another scam because that shit doesn't work.

1:50:25And it was like a smoking CBD joints. Really? Yeah, it just did not, didn't do the same thing. Interesting. But yeah, I, in Jamaica when I went, they made it, I've been to Jamaica like 10 times. I don't have Jamaica. I'm trash. I'm a fucking trash man. Jamaica's great. It's the best. I love it. I go every year. I really do. The water's so gorgeous. Oh, it's amazing. I, I do a family, we either bring my company, my, my, my podcast network. We have like 15 producers. So we rent a couple of villas on the beach and we just fucking party the whole time. Or I do with my family. I'll pick one or the other.

1:50:54And they just made it legal. I'd say maybe five years ago before that you had to go buy it on the beach. You just find a guy and it was, it was like no, you could get weed very easily. Right. But it was really shitty like dirt weed. But it was Jamaica. So it was just fucking ruled. You were just, it didn't matter that it wasn't good quality. We just smoke a big fat joint of it on the beach. And that was that. But they made it legal. And first it was medicinal legal a few years ago. And they have a smoke shop that I went to and they call a doctor. They just call some Jamaican dude. And you get on the phone with them and it's like, hey, what's wrong with Juman?

1:51:26What'd it be hurting? And I'm like, my head is like, you need weed. And then they just fucking put him on the phone. So now I have a medicinal license in Jamaica. Anytime I go, I, I'm in the entire national. Amazing. Yeah, it rolls. That's amazing. But now it's recreationally legal. So you don't have to do that anymore. How could it not be recreationally legal in Jamaica? But now the weed's great in Jamaica. I'm sure. Dude, it's awesome. That's a nice one. Why am I there? It's perfect. And now you can get mushrooms at the smoke shops. We had mushroom chocolate. It was fucking good. The best. Dude, the best.

1:51:59I love it. People make fun of me all the time for going to Jamaica. But I fucking love it. Hey, man. Anthony Bourdain loved that spot. Yeah. Jamaica is the shit. Yeah. I just love the fact that you can still, like when they took travel away and they were limiting travel to people who were vaccinated in certain places. You had to be vaccinated. It was just like, it's why I got the vaccine. It made you realize how much that's important and just be able to go somewhere. How nice that is. It's literally the only thing that I spend my money on. I take my son on a father's son trip every year. We do a family trip.

1:52:35We do a company trip. I do a romantic vacation, my girlfriend. And I'm not rich by any means. But I have this, whatever, dude. I just have this weird fear that I'm going to die when I'm young. And I think creating experiences with my family and my son, the most important thing. He'll never lose those experiences. I can get hit by a fucking bus tomorrow. And, you know, yes, I should save more money and I should be fucking more responsible with it. But I feel like I didn't have any of those, like, dude, I went to the Jersey Shore a couple of times and I was a kid. Like I never went on vacation. And I think like, yeah, dude, I just want him to have those fucking memories.

1:53:09That's that. That's awesome. That's a beautiful perspective, man. That's super healthy. Thanks. Awesome. Beautiful. Nobody's ever called me healthy. They did ask me that's healthy, dude. That is healthy. But they did ask for it to be rescheduled. It's the third part of the three step process. Yes, to have happened. First step was the federal expungement. You know, they let people out, even though there wasn't any federal prison. Yeah. That was the crazy thing. We're going to let out everybody who's in federal prison for five. Nobody's here with people. Everybody was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

1:53:44The second is the states are asked through the same thing, but they're not being forced. I mean, if you're in federal prison for pods because you're selling pounds and pounds of marijuana, at one point you have to say, oh, you can't do that. Right. It's not for possession. You're not a possession. Okay, for possession. That didn't need safer possession. It does save for possession. Yeah. What a possession. What if you're possessing in federal prison? Don't get here for distribution. If you have 50 pounds a pot, you're fucking warehouse. They're going to get you for distribution. You're not smoking 50 pounds a pot, bro.

1:54:14You know, it's like, what do they allow you? They allow you like five grams? How many? Depends. It's up to two ounces in someplace. Two ounces. You could fly with up to an ounce. That's a lot of weed. Yeah, state to state. As long as it's legal and the state you're flying to and from. Wow. And I've been flying with weed for years before. Are you sure fear? I was like, I was like, why do you fly with weed? And he was like, oh, yeah, you just take a bag. He was like, it's telling me if you take it, you put it in a bag. So you take that bag, you put it in your suitcase, and you fly. And I was like, oh, that's it.

1:54:45He's like, yeah, you just fly with it. And then I was like, really? And then I read on like a Reddit thread that they did a like an AMA with a TSA employee. And they were just talking about flying with weed. And if they were like, oh, can, you know, what do you do if you catch somebody with weed? They were like, we've been instructed specifically to just throw it away. They can't hold up the entire fucking airport every time they find like a little bit of weed. Right. So yeah, I even if I used to just put it in a sock, because the way it would show up on the 3D scanners is organic material. So it could be the same color as your socks.

1:55:16So I used to just put it in my sock. But yeah, now I just fucking put it right on my suitcase. TSA pull it out. They look out of the complemented quality. That's hilarious. Yeah, when, where were we in Nashville? Did Nashville have the fucking truck or was it New Orleans? It was Nashville, right? Where there's like weed trucks, like, you know, you get a like a taco truck. Yeah, they were weed trucks. They were all over New York. Are they really all over New York? And before I have around just park places, they bring the bell. They got busted once because as soon as they made it recreational legal, all these fucking Puerto Ricans were like, we're going to have weed trucks.

1:55:52This wasn't part of the process of legalizing weed, but they were like, we're just going to do it. So they had like one day the cops were just like, what are we doing about these weed trucks? And they busted like 16 trucks in a day. And they were like, I don't even think they arrested the guys. They just literally confiscated everything and they held it as like evidence and like, but I think all those guys made like a, it was like a smashing grab. They made a ton of money very quickly. But if you could sell weed, why can't you sell weed out of a truck? Because they, yeah, they got a bright truck.

1:56:20Not licensed. They're, right now in New York, I think there's like four or five legal weed dispensaries. But there's like 200 illegal weed dispensaries. But because it's falling into this gray area, I think the cops just don't really, they just sort of turn a blind eye. And it's just sort of a waste of everyone's time. But yeah, I believe there's not that many, but every other corner there's a place where you can buy weed. Interesting. Yeah. So they're probably not giving out those licenses. That's probably why. Yeah. Probably don't want people just pulling over in trucks. The weed bodegas have no fear.

1:56:54It's illegal to sell without a license. It's not that this hasn't stopped. 1500 stores and counting. 1500 stores. So here's what's going to happen. Well, all we, is that mean it stopped 1500 stores? It has not stopped. It has not stopped. So they're going to just bust one day. They're going to just, whatever the law is just taking too long to move, right? So people just selling it. They're just selling it. But these stores are all just going to be busted one day. They're going to do a sweep and they're going to confiscate everything. Yeah, but why? That's the thing. It's like, why you make it in a hard to get a license?

1:57:26That's expensive probably. Why you making it so expensive to get a license? Maybe you would have more money if you charged a reasonable amount and you actually went and got it from these people. Mm -hmm. These people operating, then again New York is like that. Like, there's a lot of people that are going to operate under the wire. And even it was $5 for a license. Like, look you. Well, I buy it on the black market, so it's a lot cheaper. So if I buy dabs, some sort of a distillate, it's like $90 a gram out of dispensary. I get it, like, $20 a gram from my dude. Does your dude know who's growing it?

1:58:02No. This is where it gets weird. I had this guy on John Nores and he was a game warden in California and they started finding these grow -ups out in the forest land. It's supposed to be public land. And they'd find cartel grow -ups out there with toxic chemicals and all that shit. They're using crazy pesticides and fertilizers and stuff that no one else uses. He details this book called Hidden Wars and so they became a tactical unit. They had dogs and everything. Because all of a sudden they're in shootouts with cartel members in the forest. It's wild. It's wild book. But the point is, like he said, 90 % of all the illegal weed in the country, 90 % of it is coming from these grow -ups from the cartels.

1:58:48And he goes, and you could be getting shit with all kinds of toxic stuff on it. All right, Joe, thanks another fear. I appreciate that. But it's like just unlocking fear after fear of me today. Gas station sushi. You might be all right. You might be all right. But I mean, you might want that frozen burrito. Yeah, I mean, most of the time now it always comes like packaged. Like this is from a dude. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, yeah, but where does a dude live? And like, how do you know it's from a dude? You don't think that the cartel can make labels in English? Oh, no, of course. No, I'm saying he probably gets from the cartel.

1:59:23But he packages it really nicely. So I think it's cool. You say, white gummies. It is pretty wild if that number's correct. It's like 90 % of the plittin' places where weed is illegal. They're getting it from there. Yeah. I, you know, it's always like they do, they're doing a thing as well. We're like, now I know in certain places like California, they can't, they can't like package it in a way where like it looks like candy or they can't shape it in a certain way, right? Didn't write another thing with like Mike Tyson's gummies. He couldn't sell them in certain places because they were shaped like ears and you can't have them shaped as like characters or things in certain jurisdictions.

2:00:01Because people would think it's candy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fear of my tooth. It's like my kid just finds a fucking weed gummy one day and eats it like. Yeah. What would you do? I would have to literally bribe him to never tell his mother. Baby said him until he would come down for him and say, would you learn? Or here are my kids like taking acid by accident sometimes you're like, dude, that would fucking destroy a kid. Dude, we were looking at like old uses of medicine. And I had Peter Bergon from the, he's the guy who created that pain killer series on Netflix and we were talking about like they used to give little kids heroin.

2:00:41Heroin was like medicine for like kids. They like rub it in baby's mouth. They rub more feed in their mouths. Yeah, cocaine too. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fucking gummy baby. Probably is to just give it to kids. Your kid wants you to fuck up. Give it heroin. Yeah. And your kid just lay in there in bed. Do do do do do. Do do do. Do do do. Do do do. I mean, what the fuck? They gave people heroin when they were babies. That's wild. Yeah. But like a child wouldn't understand what acid was. Like if they, if they accidentally took acid like a seven year old kid, a six year old kid, dude, they would think they wouldn't say.

2:01:20They, I mean, what, it would be the scariest thing in the world for them. It would affect them for the rest of the life. But if there's no coming back from that, well, they could come back from it, but it's not going to be easy. It's going to, I mean, a massive disruption as you're growing up, you're a kid and you're you're learning about life. Borderline like psychotic episode. From your perspective, you don't even understand what a drug is that to take you, there's no frame of reference. Like, first of all, the acid I was scared, but I knew that I was about to be on a fucking journey. You know what I'm saying?

2:01:49That was the idea. When you're a kid and it comes out of nowhere to you accidentally take it and then it's just you're just in this state, dude. And then, you know, now you know that it's possible. So you're always going to have this anxiety. Then at one point in time, you might slip back into it. That was the thing that I always heard about acid too that scared me when I was a kid. Flashbacks. Yeah, flashbacks. It would tell you, that would tell you, bro, it's days in your fat. Yeah. It asks it's days in your fat man. And one day you're just fucking driving down the road and the road becomes tear drops.

2:02:19I'm like, why? Yeah, man, you have a flashback. You die that way. I was like, it was like, always the thing. If you take acid, like maybe you'll never come back. Yeah, I think I took so much acid one time. The most acid I ever took when I was 19 years old, maybe 18. Me and my buddy Dan Doryty, we got a medicine dropper. This fucking hippie kid. This fucking real big known hippie in my town. He was like, dude, I got acid. And when when hallucinogens came to town in New York, where I was at, Rockland County, when hallucinogens came around in the early 2008 and 90s, you got them because they only came around once in a while.

2:02:56They'd be like a fucking hippie festival upstate and people bring strips of acid down or they would have mushrooms. But it was so rare. So when you would hear about somebody having it, you'd fucking drive. We used to drive from Rockland County, which is right outside of New York City. We used to drive to Albany because there was a guy that would get it up there and we would pick it up when he had it, like twice a year. But this kid was like, dude, I have a liquid acid in an eye dropper. We were like, oh, no way. Dude, let's do it. He was like $3 ahead. He was super cheap. And then my buddy Dan, I remember he did like two drops and I was like, oh, sweet dude.

2:03:27He's like, all right, let me do another one. And I did two. And then he was like, I want to do another one. And then he went, and squirted. And I went, holy shit, dude. I was like, why can't you let you do it by yourself? And I went, oh my god. We give back to the guy and he looked how much was left in it. He was like, dude, he was like, don't pay me. He was like, you didn't get this from me. And then he just walked away from us. And then within 10 minutes, dude. Within 10, you know how it takes like 45 minutes to come on? 10 minutes, I'm talking about on another planet, dude. Another fucking planet just within five minutes of that, I lose Dan.

2:04:03Dan's running down the street. Can you say another planet? Like, what are you experiencing? Just extreme, like, I mean, like, I don't even remember most of the trip. But I remember I saw a friend and they got in their car. And the lights from the car, it was like I was on a spaceship, dude. It was just like the music. And I mean, it was just like the hardest I've ever tripped by far. And it's everything. Like the visuals, the sounds, the feeling, but such intense, such an intense trip, like scary. It started becoming really scary, sort of going down the road where, you know, everything is everything.

2:04:36Like, that was my conclusion. Was like that life is death and death is life. And, you know, sound is the same thing as a fucking table. Just being a fucking lunatic. And I remember like starting to think, I kept on coming in and I had to kill myself because I wanted, it doesn't experience that I can only experience once. It was like, just really scary fucking thoughts. And I tripped for two full days. 48 hours straight. Didn't sleep. Just kept on tripping. Then I finally fell asleep and then the next morning I woke up. And it was like I had taken a hit of acid the next morning. But it was normal enough that I was like, so really felt like three days I tripped.

2:05:10And when you were tripping, what did the world look like?

2:05:17There was just like the world, I mean, it's a great question. It's a really great question. Try and remember what my perspective wasn't how the world looked. I remember being at a Dunkin' Donuts and just sitting there at the table and just fucking thinking about numbers a lot and just fucking. Numbers. Yeah, and everything was just fucking brighter. It wasn't, dude, it wasn't pleasurable at all. It wasn't like. How are you thinking about numbers? I don't know. I don't know. I was just the numbers words like coming into my head. And I was just repeating like fake math equations that weren't real.

2:05:49I didn't know they weren't. Maybe they were real. I know where you wrote those bitches down. What if you wrote those bitches down and someone like Eric Weinstein would look at them and go, what are you doing here? Where did you learn this? Oh my God, this is a solution. And then they run out of the way, those fucking goodwill hunting chalkboard. I figured it all out. Imagine it. Imagine if that's what ideas are when you're tripping. What if you're catching an alien life form in the, in the, it comes in the form of an idea? I've thought about this a lot. I know it's a stupid premise, but everything that people have made ever has come from ideas.

2:06:27And everything that people are making, including artificial intelligence, including robots, all that shit, spaceships, came from ideas. Then all of a sudden it's a thing, and people love to do that. They fucking love to do that.

2:06:46I just feel like where this is going, it's so clear that we're making robots that are gonna take over. Like how clear is it? When you see chat GPT, when you see it answer questions and say, well, chat GPT now is the IQ of 155, you know, but a chat GPT -5 is gonna have an IQ of 1 ,000, or what is chat GPT -5's IQ? It's gonna be something ridiculous. Yeah. We're now it's gonna start manipulating it. It's all for funsies. I would like to think that that is just like a crazy conspiracy theory, but people who really know that like really are in the know are like, no, no, this is going to happen. It's on its way, kids.

2:07:26You're gonna have a robot over Lord. Yeah. Why would we have a human president? Look at the last human president we had, it's getting tripped by ghosts. We need a robot over Lord. What is my election problem? Chaos, right? Chaos. There's a fucking, the Biden camp claims that they won, the Trump camp, camp claims that they won, and there's fucking holdouts in the Senate, and there's fucking chaos in the streets, and rocks are flying, and at the same time artificial intelligence reaches a solution. That instead of human beings with their fragile emotions and egos, why don't we govern with logic and intelligence based on all the known facts?

2:08:06Yeah. In a way that's beneficial to everyone, both robots and people. Let us run things. We can stop all the wars. We can stop all nuclear bombs from ever being deployed. Yeah. We also can go and disarm all these countries. Or we can, we can arm every nuke right now and fucking pointed at all the humans. Yeah. Yeah, that's the big fear right is that they'd fucking... No, the big fear is it would be really simple to kill off the human race. All they would have to do ethically is stop us from having babies. Yeah. That's it. So poison the food supply, give them microplastics so the dick shrink, and the females have more miscarriages, and then slowly get them to this weakened state where they don't have any hormones.

2:08:56Where there are no men, there are no women. Yeah. There's just a lot of they, them, so whole society of people that don't... That's enough that you hear women like they flex about not having kids. That's a big thing that happens on TikTok on the internet. If the robots did that, we would just never have kids, and that would be it. We would die off. We would die off in a couple hundred years. It wouldn't take long at all. Not even a couple hundred years. Like a hundred years. Well, there would be people that were still alive that probably had kids, and those kids had to die. It wouldn't be as simple as everybody who's alive.

2:09:26It would be... If they're going to do that, what they're going to do is they're going to make all the kids sterile. They're going to give you enough of these microplastics. If I'm just saying, if I'm plotting, if I'm artificial intelligence, I'm going to use all these contaminants. I'm going to make them readily available and cheaper than natural uses, like things like pesticides and herbicides and shit like that. These fucking things that get into the water and ruin everything. Make sure that these people figure that out. Make sure that that's cheaper. So if it's cheaper, they're going to use that.

2:10:01And so that'll fuck them up. And then make sure they start using plastic for things. That'll fuck them up. And then slowly but surely, as it becomes alive and sentient, you deal with this like... Just demoralized version of the human species. Just this weakened state sedentary staring at screens all day, version of the human species, which is way easier to just take over in a wave. And then those people never have kids, no one else has kids, and within 150 years or so, no more people. That's it. We're dead. And then the robots are here. No more people. It's probably a better society. If population collapses, it doesn't scare people because everybody's worried about population and increase.

2:10:48Everyone's worried about overpopulation, which they should be. If you go to a place that's overpopulated, it looks like it sucks. But population collapses real too. It can't happen. It's kind of happening in Japan, I believe. I think it's happening in different parts of the world where they're really concerned because young people aren't having kids in a way that could replicate society right now with older people. Yeah, you hear a lot more young people talking about not wanting to have kids. And it's the fucking greatest thing ever. It's the best thing you'll ever experience in the fucking world.

2:11:21So I just, I mean, I'm not even hating as somebody who doesn't have kids. I get like, you know, but to not have kids and to be like, be like, yeah, I'm proud. I have my freedom. Like, dude, your freedom is, it just doesn't compare to watching my kid win a jujitsu tournament. Does not compare to the freedom to go to the movies by myself or get drunk on a Wednesday night. Period. There's nothing comparison. Yeah, it's one of those things, unless you experience it, it just always sounds like you're preaching to people. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, I remember when friends of mine, when I was younger, would think about having kids and everybody's like, wow, if you think one day you're going to have kids and then it's like, then you think like, oh, then your life is kind of like now you're like, saddled down and it's boring.

2:12:07You're just, oh, you're just a guy with kids. Like, what people don't understand is like when people go home to their kids, a lot of times because they prefer being with their kids. They're actually fun. It's awesome. It's fun. It's really fun. They look up to you. It's like, they're cool too. And if you raise them cool and you're cool, they're nice people. It's nice to be around nice people that you love dearly. Yeah. And the idea of like, you know, because that was probably one of those people, like, oh, yeah, you have a kid. Life becomes boring. You know, it's just a different. Oh, I thought that one.

2:12:37Life becomes different. You know what I'm saying? And a very different way. Before you have kids, it's not like, oh my God, like, just go do it. Now, the 20 year old kid shouldn't be in a having a kid. Go experience life a little bit, you know? Right. But I think that, you know, I think we're about 30. I think 30 is a good age to have a kid. You're more in line with when you have children, you're more concerned about the future. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. For sure. You're more like, there's a lot of people that like anarchist minds like, fuck it all man, burn it to the ground, fuck this country.

2:13:08Once you have kids like, oh, you got to protect kids like, yeah, slow down. It's one of us. It's not of a fucking war. Hey, settle down. Is there a way to piecewee solve this? Yeah. Yeah, I fucking, yeah, that was it. That was like the biggest thing for me. It was like it just changed life in a way where it just became very different. You care about something more than you realize you have the capacity to care for. You know, that's the thing that really like, and then that's scary. Right. So all the shit that we're talking about being afraid of, I wasn't afraid of really any of these things. Like I wasn't really a mat, like, you know, I was always a little bit of a hyper -conjurek, but like now I have like a fear like, dude, if I get fucking cans or I'm going to like leave my head.

2:13:46Don't put that, you keep saying that. Don't put that in your head. I know. I'll knock on some wood. Shepel said almost exactly the same thing. He said it did. It didn't just change the amount of love in his life. He said it changed his capacity for love. Yeah. I thought that was beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful way to describe it. Yeah. It is a great way to describe it. And yeah, it's just like, you know, you have this fear that everything bad could happen to him. You want it to get bullied. I don't want him to have a bad day at school, you know? Right. And then you have this anxiety that you walk around with.

2:14:15So that's the thing that's the hardest part about being a parent right there. That's it. Well, you talk about what's hard. All the other shit is kind of easy. It's just that fucking anxiety that the world's not going to be perfect for him. Yeah. That it's going to be dangerous for him. You don't want it to be perfect, right? You want mistakes. No, you're a person learns, but he want to save the world. You want to be challenged because that makes him a stronger person. You want real life challenges to be in. And by the way, he won the gold medal, which was such a great experience, but he also lost the no -gui.

2:14:46He his his last match. So he only got silver and no -gui. And that was a great experience. He was losing was such a great experience because he saw it wasn't the fucking end of the world. It just who cares, right? He saw high and low. And I thought that experience was almost as valuable. But yeah, yeah, it's just a fucking real like you got to be prepared for that, I think. Yeah. You win or you learn? And that's an important lesson for kids. It's good to lose. It really is. It's good to bomb on stage too. Gets you your fucking shit together. Every time I ever bombed, I always had like a way better set afterwards.

2:15:21Like improved. I had like a leap in improvement where I was just like tightened up all the shit that I was like, maybe I wasn't paying attention. Maybe I wasn't going over my notes enough. Maybe I wasn't writing enough. Whatever the fuck I wasn't doing, don't do that anymore. Yeah. Figure it out stupid. Yeah, you need those losses. You need to it just sort of shapes who you are. But I'll tell you right now, like I really wanted him to win because like not only obviously you want to see your kid win, but it's like we put in so much work up to it, right? Like leading up to it. And if the lesson was that the work didn't pay off, it's just now it's another uphill battle.

2:15:55Like I feel like him winning and it's just setting him up to like want to be a winner now. He's like, oh shit, I want that feeling right there, right? It felt way better to win than it felt to lose. And I feel like, you know, I'm glad that the kids that he went up against at the very way at a similar level because if they put him against some fucking wrestling stud, like they did a no -gui, he would have gotten fucking his ass kicked. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah dude. Wrestling studs. Yeah. That's always going to be a problem. Those guys are fucking freaks. Yeah, little kids that just fucking.

2:16:24Yeah, little kids that just throw in bodies around since they were tiny. Yeah. No catching up. It's not happening. Yeah, it's real hard to catch up. Yeah, he's 10 now. It's like, yeah, Jim's good luck. The only guy I know ever caught up in MMA was George St. Pierre. George St. Pierre didn't have a background in wrestling at all. He was a kielkishen karate guy. Freak athlete. Yeah, he started doing like gymnastics and shit at the end to like taking his body and that's like, I mean, he was literally the best. He was so smart doing that. His like approach to training was so smart. So interesting.

2:16:59But he did that. And but if you make sense, if you watch those fucking gymnasts who looks more jack than those guys, especially those dudes on the rings, like what the fuck man? That's like literally the perfect physique. Yeah, I can't dude. I can't do any of that shit. That's a lot. I can do rings. There's a lot. Like iron crosses and shit with the fuck man. Yeah. That's a crazy amount of physical upper body strength. And if you could do shit like that, it would make for sure make wrestling and you just do better. For sure. It's what you want muscle up one day. Just one. Can you do that, you do muscle ups?

2:17:33Yeah. You just swing your leg forward. You got to know how to do it right too. Yeah. You get to the top and you swing your leg forward. And then as your leg comes up, you press up. Yeah. Oh, that's it. All right. Yeah. You don't try to do it from a dead hang. Although some people can like hector lumbar can do it from a fucking dead hang. Yeah. He's just a freaking athlete. And he just does like that. Fuck it. Oh, fuck it. I'm hector lumbar. I'm hector lumbar. I'm hector lumbar. If you need to fucking, I'm getting back in shape now. And I just fucking, yeah, I mean, I really, I just want to be able to do shit like that.

2:18:10But I'm doing a lot of boxing right now. I'm boxing another comedian a couple months from now. And so I'm not lifting any weights at all. So I'm just doing like tons and tons of cardio. So I just I fucking look like a fucking soft piece of shit right now. You should do some physical exercise just to protect your joints. Yeah. Especially doing a lot of boxing. I always recommend like some shoulder mobility exercises, just like even if you're only doing it once or twice a week, that can make a big difference in like maintaining muscle. You know, you always, you're better off having some strength in your joints, you know, especially when you're throwing punches.

2:18:47Yeah. It's like you want to kind of keep everything strong. You know, like if you have weak joints, it can be very dangerous. Many guys have fucked their shoulders up boxing. Just miss a punch, catch a bunch of an elbow below something out. You know, it happens all the time. Yeah. No, I know I'm too old to be doing this shit, but I can't motivate to get in shape unless I'm fighting one of my friends. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah. I really, I really, I need some sort of like peripheral goal, you know, where the being in shape is like almost a side benefit of it because just being in shape, you know, I'm in a relationship, I'm older, I'm a dad, it's just, it's not enough of a motivation, you know.

2:19:28Well, that's where Gigi2 comes in, right? Yeah. Because it's fun. And you're getting in shape while you're doing something that's fun. And it's interesting. Like you're learning new things. Like, oh, if you put your foot there, boom, the guy just goes over it. Wow. And then you try it in live training and it happens like, wow, now I have a new technique in my arsenal. This is incredible. And then you drill it with your friends. You practice on each other. I mean, that is so huge about that sport because it's so multifaceted. And literally the more you know, the better you are at it. It's like not that much dependent on physical strength.

2:20:03Yeah. Physical strength is only one aspect of it. There's people that are way weaker than me, that are way better than me. Well, there's also like, it's so customizable for body types, your mentality. Like it just, there's just, you know, there's certain things that my body type it just doesn't work for, right? And you adapt, you know, to whatever it is. And you can get really good. Even if you're not a super athletic dude, you just see it. There's like a real fucking skinny, do we be guy? And he's a fucking brown belt. And he's like, oh no, this guy'll choke the fuck out if anybody in here. That's like 140 pound guys.

2:20:35I'll just kill you. Oh my God. I will fucking destroy you. It's so demoralized. Oh my God. Yeah, but that's the reality of this sport. Yeah. And I think it's beautiful because it's the only martial art that does as advertised. Because martial arts, the whole idea is like, if you're Bruce Lee, like when I was a kid, Bruce Lee was the fucking man. I remember I saw Bruce Lee movie and I was a little kid. I was over my friend's house and it was on television. I could believe it. Like look at this guy. Yeah. Like I wanted to get noon chucks. I wanted to do it. But the reality of like a bunch of people rushing you like, now this one comes at you.

2:21:08Now that guy goes, no. And the real world, people just fucking pile on top of you. And no one can really, if they're a smaller person, you're probably in a lot of trouble if someone's bigger and stronger than you in like a wild fist to cuffs situation. But in jujitsu, the smaller person really can defeat the larger unskilled person all the time. Every time. Every time. That's not the case. Unless you've said it before, if it's a freak athlete, you get a big professional football player, right? Right. I mean, you got to be, you know, this guy, this little guy better be real good, right? Real good.

2:21:48But yeah. But like in a like every time, you know, I was reading some book and it was just like they were just talking about like, if you get to your blue belt, you can literally with your hands murder like 90 % of the people you encounter in life. Yeah, it makes sense. Like somewhere around there. Yeah. Like just, and that's like, you know, not that you want to murder people, but I'm saying like you've like defended the death, dude. And when you talk about martial arts, like like jujitsu is like, you can choke somebody to death. You could break their fucking limbs. Like it is pretty hardcore when you really, to its fullest, like when it's not respectful and you're tapping.

2:22:22And if it's used for what it was initially used for, I mean, it's a really brutal martial art. And here's what's important. You use it exactly the same way in training as you do on the street. So the problem with striking martial arts were, if you're sparring, particularly you're sparring with your friends, you always pulled back. Like you never tried to knock your friends out. You always like at least something pulled back. In jujitsu, you go full blast. Yeah. So you're going full blast together and you're constantly used to someone going full blast. So if you're on the street and all of a sudden there's some fucking altercation and you're clenching with a guy, it's automatic.

2:23:01And sensual. That's it. And you're going to get strangely a guy that is either your level or better than you, which is like, it's just the way it's like designed. Like you're just really designed iron sharpens iron and you're going with guys. It's built to, it's like comedy. It really is because you can't fake it. You have to have the stage time. You have to have the reps. You have to have the mat time. And that's the big parallel between those two. And I think that's why a lot of comedians do jujitsu and they can get into that mentality. Is that right there? It's also great to kill anxiety. Kill anxiety.

2:23:32Yeah. You get good at jujitsu. Like first of all, you're a physical worry about taking care of yourself diminishes of somewhat. Yeah. Because you're like, oh, I'm like more confident with people than I ever thought I was before because I'm not really worried about people beat me up. Yeah. Right. And then on top of that, you're training a lot so that you're always like just fucking squeezing those demons out. Yeah. You know, for a lot of people, it's like that's what's holding them. But their body is like this overflowing battery of anxiety and energy. This not being met and fucking needs an arpe and fed shitty food.

2:24:07And they're just like, and if you could get those fucking people to get out of that and start training, something healthy. You know, and then jujitsu, the beautiful thing about is it's fun to do. So you look forward to doing it. You look forward to working out. It's all interconnected and working out is very similar to it. I think jujitsu is easier to get for me to get motivated with. But it really is you spend your time, you know, thinking, we're talking so much about like being on our phones, right? It's like when you're working out, you have to ignore your phone. There's no fucking look at your cell phone when you're, when you're training, right?

2:24:36And you have a, just a little bit of time each day where you're thinking about yourself, whether it's even just being in the moment and doing jujitsu and trying to get better, but you're just genuinely trying to better yourself. All bullshit aside, you're there to better yourself physically, mentally. That is a really healthy thing that people should be doing, you know, in some capacity every day, they should be putting the bullshit away and just either, it's almost like meditative, like your mind sometimes goes blank and you're like, I'm like, oh, I'm finally not thinking about like my stresses for like one minute.

2:25:07I would imagine like dirt bag riding is like that. Yeah, getting on a foot. Running is like that for me. Yeah, running. Yeah, running just got much for my knees, man, I've just had too many knee injuries. So I'm running now and I have the meniscus tears, but my doctor, my doctor's like, not really, I'm in knee braces. The running is fine. I don't run. I fucking jog. Right. You land on the balls of your feet? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I run. That takes a little adjusting too, right? When you, when you had like running shoes back in the day, I always ran on the heels. I thought that's what they were for.

2:25:38I thought that's why I said that they changed the human gate. When I started running, I just, it was when I started working out, I started running every day. So initially the first time I started working, I just started doing pushups every day and then running, right? And I was like, I can do this. Let me start working out. And then I, you know, sort of cutting carbs and then I lost weight very quickly. It was the first time my body was ever like adjusting to working out and going on a diet. It was extreme. Like I lost a lot of weight very, very quickly. I got very motivated. I got a job in a gym.

2:26:05I was selling, you know, hand gym memberships for a few years. And but when I started running, I was wearing like, I want to say like air walks or some like shitty skateboarding shoe. And I, my first few months, I just rent my feet were just in extreme pain. Like that, like, oh my God, dude, it was, it was wild, how bad my feet are. And I was just like, oh, yeah, dude. Oh, you're getting plantar fasciitis? I think that's what was going on. Yeah. And then I just got running shoes and I was like, oh, okay, no, that's, that's not it at all. So, and then I started looking up running form. I went to like one of those stores where they told you to have to run.

2:26:37And so I think I have pretty decent, you know, running form. I run like three miles a day. Do you run on a street? Do you run on a trail? I run on the street. I run on the street in Jersey. I ran in Austin twice. That seems like a lot of like impact on your knees. And I'm heavy too. I'm like two or five now. Yeah. Hmm. I know it's probably not the best for my knees, but it's literally the only thing that really helps me like cut that. That's why those like thick ass running cushy shoes make sense. Yeah. If you go that run on the streets, that makes sense there. You wouldn't want to be barefoot running on the street.

2:27:11I just like running outside, dude. You'd sort of get into it. I can run on a treadmill. It's just a little bit more. I'm watching the clock, which I'm just staring at that clock, which I think is not good. I like to turn on some music, just sort of get in my head. Think about what's going on in my life and just try to work out some shit and just fucking go. I do most of my cardio lately. I've been doing on this. You know what an echo bike is? It's like an aerosol bike. It's one of those things you go. Oh, yeah. You know what I think? So I create too much wind. I get cold because I sweat a lot.

2:27:42So I'm like, fuck it. I feel like just this draft on me the whole time that I hate. Rogue actually invented a thing that fits over the fan. Oh, really? So it blows forward. Yeah. Yeah. So it's good. But I just watch fights, watch fights in due to bottom sprints. So it's 22nd sprint, 10 second rest, 22nd sprint, 10 second rest. That's a shit. That thing's the shit. That thing's hell. Yeah, that's hard to use. It's like one of those, one of those, that thing, like the fucking, yeah, it's like a rolling machine, but it's standing up. Yeah, standing up, you're full of that. I think it sucks. I never thought I have one of those.

2:28:15I never use it. Fuck it. I don't hear what that is. One of those, uh, what are the Jacobs ladder thing where it's like a ladder that you climb up, that thing's hardest held. That's really good. Those are really good. Yeah, because it works your core the whole time. You're doing bear crawls uphill. Yeah. Fuck that. Use it to lose it. Oh, use it to lose it. I know. I wish I had that motivation. Well, for me, it's a mental health thing as much as it is anything. I don't feel good. I know me. I don't feel good if I don't work out. Do you need to go deep when you work out? Like do you need to go like, because I see you post videos or, you know, pictures of you like just covered in fucking sweat.

2:28:48I sweat like that if I just walk around a little bit. But like do you need to go that like hard in order to sort of get the mental side out of it to you to bring yourself to a certain place? Because I like a nice easy workout. Yeah, I don't do many of those those nice easy ones. Yeah. I do long ones because when I do kettlebells, uh, generally I subscribe to the idea that more reps over a longer period of time is better than less reps over a shorter period of time. If you're just trying to get strength and not muscle endurance. So I follow this guy, Pavel Tatsalini who's like the godfather of kettlebells in America.

2:29:25He brought kettlebells or sort of teaching people kettlebells in America. And what he says is like you don't you you don't go to failure. Like say if you have a weight that you can clean and press and you can do it 10 times. Don't do it 10 times. Do it five and put it down. Put it down for five minutes. Then do it five again. Now you have five clean reps. They're perfect. So you did 10 reps, but you did them all like you're learning something. And so he said strength is a skill and you don't want to do a skill when you're tired. And when you're learning how to control large heavy weights, you shouldn't get it to the point where your muscles are failing.

2:30:06And so he's like his philosophy and this is a Russian sport philosophy. They and they had some fucking geniuses over there training their athletes. They figured out that if you just get the same reps like say instead of doing two sets of 10, you're better off doing four sets of five because every rep will be perfect. And just the form the full range of motion probably is a big part of it. And you're not going to get a sore and your body is not going to get this lactic acid build up on this and this you're not going to break form. You know, like when you're really you're fucking your muscles are broken down like you're breaking form like you're cheating a little.

2:30:45Of course you're doing curls or lean and back. You know his idea is do the same amount of reps, but have longer breaks in between the sets and do it over a longer period of time. And every rep is perfect. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably right. I mean, I when I typically when I work out, I try to superset everything. I try it because I try to I try to get cardio in at the same time. Right. So I'll go in. I'll warm up do a little bit of cardio, but then I'm just trying to bang bang bang bang bang bang fucking drop sets, go to failure, go to failure again, just sweating like. But that's just like the way that I learned.

2:31:19That's like an old school way. And also I kind of like lifting old school like when I'm lifting weights, I like going to the gym and doing just the normal shit, right? It's a bench press curls, squats, just the basics and just throwing a decent amount of weight on like I can't I'm not that strong. Do I I lift you a burr? Cris or burr is fucking strong. He's a house holy shit, dude. We we lifted at some, you know, college football fucking thing that he brought me to with a bunch of famous people and football players. I have no idea who was there or what I was doing there. And burr. Cris is a fucking tank, dude.

2:31:55Hmm. Yeah, I'm trying to remember how much you lifted. It was it was it was exercise. You guys doing we were benching. Yeah, he was doing he did. I think two plates on each side, but he did like I want to say 15 reps. Like it was nothing. It was fucking crazy. We had a sober October here once and we all got hammered and we went out to lift weights and none of them could even do 225. Oh, really? So the fact that he goes from 225 then to be able to do it 15 times. Oh, yeah. At least 10. He was 10 times 10 times 10 times 10 times 10. With ease. That's impressive. Yeah, I was like he was fucking didn't was hitting baseballs and just fucking cracking him.

2:32:27Yeah, if he wasn't an alcohol. And alcohol. He would be a fucking serious athlete. It kept him so healthy this whole time while he's boozing it up a storm 225 10 times. Yeah, I did. Here it is. It was wild. Yeah, this is it. That's crazy because he couldn't do it at all before. Three, four. Yeah, good form all the way down. Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. He could have done two more with the spot. He could have gotten 11. I think he could have done 11. Yeah, look at that. Beautiful. Yeah, he's awesome dude. He's also off the sauce. He's off the sauce. He's been smoking the weed. He's not drinking now.

2:33:11No. Really? Yeah. Good for him. I know he's on a diet right now. Allegedly. Okay. Who knows. I'm hoping for him though. He called me and said it was two months. That's awesome. And he said he's loving it. And it's like great for his comedy. He's coming up with new bits. Great guy. Great guy. He's the best. And it was just such a cool experience. I'm, you know, me dumb of fucking dirty scumbag. Nobody puts me on big shows like in front of 15 ,000 people. Like that was fucking really cool. What a cool experience. Yeah, birds, birds of the night. He's a really good guy. He is a good guy. He's the best.

2:33:43He's a sweetheart. I mean, that's why he's doing so well. It's because he's easy to love. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Genuinely fun guy. Yeah. And that's really him. That's him when the cameras run. That's him when the cameras are off. When we're hanging out, he shirts off. It's like a drum. He's got a red plastic cup. Yeah. I feel with some questionable liquid in there. He's a man. So anyway, should we end it? That's good. It's good. Sure. Fucking podcast. That was a lot of fun, brother. Fucking bless you. Tell everybody where they could digest legion of skanks, where your website is. So I have a new special that actually comes out or it's going to be out when this comes out.

2:34:20This is already out on my YouTube channel, youtube .com slash Lewis Jay Gomez comedy. 30 minutes with Lewis Jay Gomez. It's my company gas digital, which is our podcast network where you can finally get a skanks. We produce six specials. It was me Dave Smith, Kurt Metzger, Colin Turrell, Jordan Jensen and the great legendary Rich Voss. So they're all coming out weekly on everyone's YouTube channels. Beautiful. Yeah. Go watch that feeling. I'm glad you did that, man. That's fucking fantastic. And I love the fact that you've created your own thing. You know, that you have your own website, your own little network.

2:34:52You got everything going on yourself. You're independent. I appreciate it. And yeah, I mean, we have a great festival, skankfest coming up. It's the best festival in all of gone. I appreciate that, John. It really means a lot coming from you. It's crazy. Every time I see it, I'm just like Jesus Christ is guys around. It's a wild time and it's coming up right at the end of September. Shout out to our sponsors, you'll create them who are just the best. All right. Thank you, everybody. Bye.

2:35:27Bye.