#2033 - Matt Rife

24:14Do you see something? I don't see anything. There's someone moving there. I'm trying to find the very specific thing, but there is a very, it looks just like this and you can see a person. Like you can see the silhouette of a person on the side of that hill. It's weird from this far away. You can see that. I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't know what I'm looking at in that video. Yeah. Yeah. Because like I saw the zoom in, but the zoom was in the sky. It doesn't make sense to me either. I'm looking at my currency shit. Like where is this supposed to be? Yeah. These people, it's like blob squatches.

24:42That's one of the things that bigfoot hunters, they just start seeing shadows that look like Sasquatch and they're convinced. Do they convince themselves? The fact that that show has been on for so fucking long. They're still finding Bigfoot bro. They're working really hard. They're working really hard. They're working really hard. There's a picture of what the video is. It's just a small shot. Oh, okay. I mean, yeah. That's good. That, I don't know. It's a perspective thing. Yeah, I don't know how far away that zoom is. Yeah, I mean, that could be a six foot tall dude up there. Yeah. I mean, also humans are six foot seven, seven foot times.

25:16Yeah, that's not that big. Did their claimant this guy died actually apparently? Oh, the mountain guy up there? Oh, okay. Apparently he's now, he says, all right, this is an update. This video was only posted recently. Okay. He said he was a hoax. He said he was a hoax. Oh, you, oh. Oh, he made an admission. The video was a hoax and then he died. I didn't know about that. Oh, well, it's probably unrelated. The type of person who's out there hoaxing giant videos, probably doing a lot of wild shit. I would imagine so. When I think talk was, I think a lot of people are doing that. Making these hoaxes.

25:44I'm sure. That's a product of DMT for sure. That's how it goes viral. You got to fake things. There's a lot of people faking things for sure. But there was, oh, the big foot ones were some of the big foot fakes were so bad. There was one on the less drought show where the guy was like so obviously wearing a mask. It's like a close up on a guy wearing a mask. It's so embarrassing. It's so bad. Yeah. Like make some kind of compelling case. Yeah, less drought is the shit. You know, survivor man, that guy's awesome. That guy did legit things. You remember see that show survivor man? I don't think so.

26:21Oh my god, the show is amazing. What was this on? He used to go. It was a while back. And he used to go legitimately by himself with a very limited amount of tools. And he would live in wild places. I love that. Really dangerous places and figures way out and survive. And a lot of times you could see on the show he was losing like 15 pounds. Got really sick. Got a show alone on Netflix? Yeah, it's similar. But this was one guy with his own camera is doing this everywhere. So cool. Yeah, that's why other shows like member one bear grills how to show. There's multiple camera people and they're filming them doing wild things.

27:00That's what they wanted to do with him. And less is like, uh -uh. Now I do the real thing. This is the real thing. So less is obsessed with Bigfoot too. So he went looking for Bigfoot. But there was, you know, on one of the episodes they're looking at this footage. And I'm looking at footage. It looks to me like a guy in a monkey suit. See if you find it. It's less shroud Bigfoot footage. It's very controversial because the guy who claimed to have captured the videos very controversial. Imagine if it's real. I mean, and everybody's just like disparaging you and you literally saw Bigfoot. Oh, of course.

27:34That would dry your pants, man. You should hit your pants, man. Yeah, but watch this. Put it on. Just as I'm looking for him, he's looking for him again recently. No, this is looking for him again recently. They could be up from a month ago. And then you get to the conversation that visit. But then you have to have the conversation that visit. Is it one? If it's real. If it's real and he's right, then we look stupid. But, um, is there one or is this a species? There's so many people out there in the wild. You know who doesn't see Bigfoot? No. Hunters. The people that are really out there in the wild, they're not having these experiences.

28:07The people that are having these experiences. That's a damn good point. You know, it's just... And there's also a thing about bears. Bears walk on two legs all the time. Do they really? All the time. Like grizzly bears? Especially black bears. Especially black bears. There's hours of footage of black bears walking on two legs. That's fucking terrifying. Just walking to the woods on two legs. I've seen... I've seen... There's hunter videos of that. Yeah. I've seen it in person with my own eyes. I've watched a black bear stand on his two legs and walk. How tall can they get on... Seven, eight feet?

28:41Fuck. They're big animals, man. Oh yeah. I think grizzly bears the number one thing I'm afraid of, like, in the world. They should... That should be right up there. They're a massive killing machine. I remember being a kid and seeing... At the Columbus Zoo, they have an exhibit there where you can go inside their cave. Because that's where they spend most of their time there. Yeah. And you can see them up against the glass. And laying down, it's like four and a half feet, five feet tall. What is this one? I don't know. Bigfoot... Oh, the from 2013. Is this the one? So there's one where... No, there's one where there's like a close -up on Bigfoot's face.

29:14Oh, so that... Yeah, but I can't find the one where he's walking. Or I can't even find a video. That's it right down there. But it's just a picture. Okay, but look at that picture. Oh my god. No. No. But when you see it... When you see it in the show, like it's like the guy zooms in on it, he gets a close -up. It's like Bigfoot's just staring back at us. Like all these years, Bigfoot's been shy, but Bigfoot's like, you know what? It's time to let the mother fuck the shot. Time to let these motherfuckers know. I was trying to find it. I thought that's the one that I can find. That is the video.

29:46It's just... Which one of these was the show? Oh, it was the one. This one right here. This one. I'm gonna smoke that back up. Thank you. It's just if it... I mean, imagine if it is real. Imagine if that video is real, right? But it doesn't look real. In my limited experience, most things that look fake or fake. That looks fake as fuck. Oh, damn it. That looks fake as fuck. Look his hair looks perfect. Nice slick back. He's so perfect. He's so perfect. Recently applied hair. That literally looks like Michael J. Fox and Tune Wolf. He looks clean. Looks way too clean. That's exact. If that was a homeless dude, wouldn't give him money.

30:27Or it was a bear. Like, bear hair looks different than that. Everything looks different. I don't want to meet a bear up close. That's fucking terrifying. Yeah, they're terrifying animal. But the thing is, like, when people... Like, find video of bears walking on two legs, Jamie. I just want you to imagine it's dusk, okay? And you're in the Pacific Northwest. So you're in this... It's not even... Sure. You're in this... It's not great. Thickly wooded area where it's like literally like a box of cute tips. That's where the trees are like. Yeah. They're stacked in there. Have you ever been in the Pacific Northwest?

30:59Yeah, I love it. The mountains up there are beautiful, right? The rainforest. Now, that's where a lot of sightings are. It's also where a lot of bears are. Look at this. Look at this motherfucker. That literally looks like a guy in a costume. That's crazy. I mean, what... I'm trying to sunbare that one by all the people. Right. I will say no swinging arms, though. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually, I have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years.

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33:11I was like, really? Yeah, probably when he was a baby. I'm like, really? Did somebody have their hands pulled off by a chimpanzee? Yes. That's fucking terrifying. Yeah. They're so strong. They're so strong. We can't even imagine. They're so strong and they're so aware of the things you want, like your fingers. They bite your fingers off. It's one of the first things they do. Oh, my God. Yeah, when chimpanzees attack you, they bite your fingers off. Because they know without your fingers, you can't protect yourself. And that's part of what makes you a purse. They also grab your dick, the rip your dick off.

33:43No, they don't. Yes, they do. They bite your face off. They tear your eyes out. Yeah, they're not trying to kill you. Die a ball of it. They're trying to rip you apart. They're not even trying to kill you. They're trying to torture you. That is the most caveman shit I've ever heard of. It's far beyond. They're so different than us, but yet so similar. If you ever see a chimped nation on Netflix, you gotta watch it. It's wild. Because what's up? Oh, don't show me. Don't show me it. Can I see it? Okay. Oh, fuck, I'm sorry. It's okay. Just put it on, put it on the screen. I don't want to see this lady's face.

34:17This is a lady that her friend had a chimpanzee that was a pet. And she, um, that's what she did look like. She went to visit the lady and the chimped tour face apart. Oh, she looks like a belly button. Yeah, a tour face apart. Holy shit. Yeah. And he was just upset at her because she was cockblocking him. Shut up. Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah. She used to sleep with the chimpanzees. She gave the chimpanzees Xanax and wine and this lady was... Was this Michael Jackson's monkey? This is the one that's living the best life out there. It was way worse because it was a full grown male. And it was really big.

34:56It was like 200 pounds because it was like eating well. How big was the chimpanzee when they shot it? It says tiny chimp had been left alone. No, that's not the same one. The one that tore that lady apart was big. Yeah, this one actually said it was the different. It was the couple's friend. Are there...it wasn't the people who owned it? What? This says that the one I'm looking at right now. He snapped and attacked a couple's friend. So he didn't even attack someone who had seen the chimp before? There's a new person? No, no. There's the first time meeting I was trying to catch up to that. What happened?

35:35Make sure this was the same one we're talking about. I mean, it didn't happen. There's been quite a few chimpanzee attacks. One of them was really horrible. This guy had the chimpanzee as a pet and raised it but it got too big and they couldn't take it anymore. So they brought it to a chimpanzee shelter. And it was his birthday. So they brought a cake for the chimpanzee for his birthday. And the other chimps were so jealous that he got a cake and they didn't. That they got out of the cage and tore the guy apart. Yeah, because chimps get very, very jealous. The fact that they're very jealous. I know.

36:10Not only that, but that's that emotion. But they also... They're such a human new how to get out of the cage. Somehow or another. So they probably knew the whole time. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if somebody fucked up and left something open and they noticed it and then tore the guy apart. Could have been in the process of when they were getting the other chimps out so they give them the cake that they saw this and... It's just she knew the chimpanzee. She knew the chimpanzee. Yeah. She came out with a tickle of meomo and the chimped lunge dadder. Oh god. Oh my god. Fucking hates, that's an mystery.

36:43Oh, it was the chimps favorite toy. Oh. She tried to steal his favorite toy. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Oh my god. He's eating her. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. That is fucking horrible. How big was the chimps? Because there's photos of them. So if you can see the photo... Don't eat this. It's right here. I mean, this doesn't show the exact... That's him when he's a tiny baby. But is there any photos of him as a full grown male? Because I know there is of him with a diaper on. I'm gonna be good with that. I could wear a diaper. Because otherwise you're just shit everywhere. Just...

37:31Almost domesticated. Yeah. Well, I think he's like, I run this house. Shit, we've got one. Shit right here. This is the living room. It's plenty of room in here. Is there any kind of... Is that him? It says it's Travis the chimps. God damn. He was massive. Yeah. Massive. There's a photo of them walking at the lady walking with him. That's one of the fattest chimps I've ever seen. There was a photo of her when you get to see the perspective of the full grown chimps next to a human. Like, it's just a sack of muscle. Is that him up there with a circle? I couldn't tell. It doesn't. This looks like...

38:08No, it looks like a... Like when it was drive through. Is he trying to get in the car or something? Yeah, it does look like one of them. Jesus. But it says it's the night when one car from the chimpertack and that was describing the same thing. Oh, that might be him out there. Oh, look at the cop cars. Oh my God. Can you imagine being the cop showing up? You don't know how to handle this fucking thing. Not only that, he might rip the door right off the fucking car like it's made out of cardboard. Oh, man. He definitely put his hand right through that window. 100%. A guy can put his hand through window.

38:39Like, do you think you even try to taste that? Do you think that does anything? Yes. Tasing would work. You think so? Because I've seen... Bullets take you. You use bullets. The fucking chimper. And the fucking chimper's eating people's faces. You see him on the street? You got to put that motherfucker down. If you miss... I was not crazy. It was over. She was taking his toy. How the fuck did she not know that that was his? I don't think she just registered how... You know how do I... Dogs get with her toys. Oh, of course. And dogs are trained. You're not training it, Jim. She could have been picking it up to give it to him.

39:13I think she said she was leaving with it. Oh, well, also, why the fuck you taking the toy in the first place? Maybe she was trying to fuck with them. Maybe we're not... You know? Maybe there was like some thing going on where she didn't like... Has anyone taken this dance from the monkey side? No. Well, the monkey... The chimper plays for keeps. Oh, absolutely. Taking the Elmo, Dom, means you don't have a face anymore. Just whoa. Like... Is there an exotic animal that if you had the means to do it properly? You would want as a pet? No. I'd like pets as pets. I appreciate wild animals for what they are.

39:47And I think there's something real weird about owning them. And if you want to, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to, but there's something fucking very strange. I want a pet otter. Yeah, that's very strange. But they're fucking adorable. Right, but wouldn't it be cooler if you saw an otter in a river and he's out there chillin' doing otter things? Yeah, I suppose. Catches his own fish and eat them. Crackin' the fucking clams on their chest and shit. The cutest kid. Holding that fish and fuckin' eating his head. I know. I dutch wanna pet one so bad. You see that lady's face who got fucked up by an otter?

40:20Somebody was tellin' me about this. Is there a photo? Yeah. Uh, Jay and I'm sorry to make you keep bringing up, grew some shit. But I gotta see this, because it's an unhealthy obsession to have with otters. I don't know what happened. Well, geez, I mean, it's not as bad as the chin. Yeah, no, that's it. But she got fucked up by an otter, dude. Small, I've seen cats do worse. That's fine. Yeah, but that's a fuckin' wild animal in your face. Dude, if a squirrel was tryin' to fuck you up, I'd be like, how cute he is. Look, they're very adorable. Oh my god. They're absolutely adorable. Little sea weasels.

40:52Yeah, they're cute. Like, if they were really domesticated, I mean, I don't know if you can, Domest, I don't really know nothing about domesticating otters. But if that's possible, I think they'd be the cutest pets ever. I'll find out.

41:10They're adorable. I'm gonna do my research. If that's really what they're like, if you domesticate them, that's pretty cool. I bet you can't have an aquarium. Or you can, and treat this motherfucker to a butt to a buffet. Whenever you want an all -you -can salad bar dog. That's what it would be. That'd be my ideal house, like this fightin'. What's that? And ripin'. Oh, but I'm gonna do it. I don't like puppies do that, you know? Yeah, puppies do that. How you gonna teach an otter? Maybe they're smarter than we think. I don't know, man. Maybe it's just a thing they do when they're scared. Maybe that person was treating them wrong.

41:45Yeah, I've seen, you've never seen somebody who thinks they're really gentle with animals, but they're so rough. They pet dogs. Oh, yeah, some people like slap dogs. Or, hey, buddy. Or one hand pickin' up, pickin' them up like an awkward way. I know you don't mean well, but you know what I'm doing. Imagine it at Chihuahua. Everybody's gonna carry. Oh, I would hate to be a small dog. Oh, what a fuckin' torturous life. I know. Everyone has to carry you everywhere. You have a dog, right? You have a golden retriever? Yes. Oh, a beautiful dog. He's great. He's the best. I want one so bad. They're the sweetest dogs of all time.

42:17He's just a sweetheart to everybody. He's just a big ol' love sponge. It's just super sweet. I wonder how golden retriever, German Shepherd, I would love to have. So beautiful, so far. Those are great dogs too. Those are dogs that need, they need activity. Yeah, they need stimulation. Yeah, they need activity. You can't just have a German Shepherd and keep it in a little yard. Like going out of his fucking mileage is in prison. No, also what a waste of talent. Right. They're so smart. Yeah. They're very smart dogs. Very smart dogs. They're a different kind of dog. You know, that's a working dog.

42:48Yeah, but I guess it's just, what do you, people want different things in a dog? I just got my mom from Mother's Day last year. This tiny little thing that's like literally the size of this coffee mug. Like you could accidentally squish it so easy. Yeah. So what do you come up with? What did you come up with? Also, what does that come from? Like that's not a descendent of a wolf. It is. It is. How does that happen? Well, selective breeding. And also, there's a thing that happens with animals. We don't totally understand it, but they've done this study with foxes, where they took foxes and over a period of like, not that many generations, what they did was any time of fox displayed any aggression towards people, they killed it.

43:32And over a certain period of time, all the foxes that were left, their jaws had shrank, their ears were more floppy. They started like giving into the idea of domestication. And they literally started softening their appearance. They weren't alert, like a fox would be if it was like, you know, a little killer, silver fox domestication experiment. So for the last 59 years, a team of Russian geneticists led by Ludmila, how do you say that? Ludmila, Ludmila, truth, have been running one of the most important biology experiments of the 20th and now 21st century. The experiment was the brainchild of trutes mentor, Dmitry Belyev, who in 1959 began an experiment to study the process of domestication in real time.

44:25He was especially keen on understanding the domestication of wolves to dogs, but rather than use wolves, he used silver foxes as his subjects here, provided a brief overview of how the silver fox domestication study began and what the results to date have taught us. Experiments continued to this day, and then explained just how close this study came to being shut down for political reasons during its very first year. Jesus. So that's the abstract. So this is probably butchering the story, but over time, these things started to change, and they softened their appearance and they dropped their ears.

45:02And so there's also, there's a thing that happens with pigs, where the opposite happens. When you take a domesticated pig and you release it in the wild, they morph. Within sick, I think it's a very short amount of time. I want to say it's less than two months of living in the wild. They start to display different characteristics. With males, their snout extends, I think with females too, but males grow these big -ass tusks and their hair gets thicker. Their hair gets thicker all of the body. Just instinctually. They just, they now they know they're on their own and their body morphs. Wow. So there are appearance morphs.

45:43That's an incredible genetic. It's crazy. So there's different kinds of pigs, but they're all the same animal. It's all, I think the genus is called souscrafa. And that when you see a wild boar, a lot of them could have descended from domesticated pigs. Like because people have pig farms and pigs get out, fence is break. Yeah. And the pigs get loose. And some of those pigs, they just keep having piglets, but they're wild pigs. Yeah. But they look like wild boars, like from what you would expect from some movie. That's what happened. Very quick evolution. Yeah. See if you could find how much time it takes for a domesticated pig to start displaying wild looks.

46:29Wow. That's a bad way to Google it. This is what I love about you and your show. You're very insightful on a lot of things I find very fascinating. You're like a building out of science guy offered people DMT. Like I've got plenty of stupid information. I love it. It's all things that fascinate me. But if you look at it that way, right, if a pig becomes harder in the wild and a wolf becomes softer with domestication, if you just kept doing that and like softening it, like when you associate those little tiny fluffy dogs, what are you associated with? Like some, some lady who's got a nice house in the nice car.

47:04It's got a nice little little fluffy dog. It sits next to her. Like they've taken that wolf and knocked it down to that. Absolutely. Thousands of years. It's funny that the same thing happens to humans. I mean, like we got trapped inside for two years. So often the fuck off. Yeah, it's all in also society. Yeah. The needs of society, especially society like ours, it's not engaged in war on our shores, where there's not like a physical threat of actual violence from the enemy. You know, you tend to soften things up. And the same sort of experiment is going on with male human beings. That's going on with dogs and wolves.

47:43I've heard that quote on this show so many times. Hard times bring hard people. Hard people bring it easy times, easy times, easy people or whatever it is. It's not my paraphrasing. Yeah, hard times create hard men, hard men create easy times, easy times create soft men, soft men create hard times. This is how humans work. From hawk to wild hawk, how a stealth gene transforms pigs into wild boars. A barnyard escape you can quickly resemble a fertile hawk growing bigger and harrier in a matter of months. In a wild. So that pig right there could have started out as a domesticated pig and got out and it will turn into that wild looking thing.

48:31Wow. Yeah, experts say the crisis is largely driven by people who trap and transport the animals so they can be hunted. Oh, wow. It may be the year the rabbit, the pig, the bat, the barrel pigs. Like how long does it? Yeah, it's sous scroffa. So that is millennia of chasing wild boars around the woods and spears. Homosapiens finally got wise, roughly 9 ,000 years ago, which is now in what is now Eastern Turkey. Our ancestors became domesticating the Eurasian boar sous scroffa by the time. So they were wild first, then they domesticated them. And when you were they're like gremlins, you feed them at night.

49:08Okay, by the time Christopher Columbus picked up a few to take along at his second voyage to America in 1493, the 400 pound tusk bees had been transformed into a pink floppy eared familiar. In that time, pig husbandry had produced a docile and resilient animal. One bread to survive a range of climatic conditions and to reproduce a lot. Well, that's the thing about pigs. Like they have three litters a year. Do they really? Yeah, they bang out babies. Like let's go. And they start doing it when they're like six months old. So it's six months old. They're already spitting out kids. That's, and how many piglets do they usually have?

49:48Like eight? That's a good question. I think it's about six. If I had a guess, am I more? What is the average litter of a pig? So would they be called litters? I think. I'm just guessing. They're so smart too. Yeah. The average pig litter. The amount of tabs you have open at this browser is so funny. Seven point five. The average litter size is seven point five. It's not uncommon for a south of 12 to 14 pigs per litter. How do you have a half? Just one little midget. This is an average. You know, some 15, some 13, some total. Thank you, Jamie. That's pretty nuts, man. That's pretty nuts. Yeah, man.

50:33So they're just constantly pumping out kids. And when you let them grow out in the wild, they turn back to what they originally were. So that makes sense that if you took dogs and you like slowly gave them food all the time. And all the, you know, the wolves that were like bitch ass wolves. You couldn't hunt anymore. Like, come on, bitch ass wolf. Yeah. I got some food for you. Just grow when the bears come. And then the who can you do every day? Just like people kind of get. You know, people that have like overpowering bosses. Of course. They all have to learn the other week or the other day.

51:04Um, what? Oh, the thing about wolves. Shockingly enough, a creature almost synonymous with the sea didn't actually begin that way. And boy, is it a whale of a tail? A mind blowing video recently posted by PBS Eons reveals that whales were actually predatory land animals. The same ones that would later become wolves specifically. So the animal branched off in the water and became whales. And on the ground became wolves. Oh, man. What the fuck? What? How wild is that? That is fucking wild. And hippos came from the same thing. Wow. What? What Bible chapters is this? It's, they missed that part. Oppos.

51:50Hippos scare the fucking shit out of me. Oh, I mean, that's a dinosaur. That is, they are. So insane. So unbelievable. And are they relatively aggressive? Oh, super aggressive. And they go after boats. They take people out. You know, the thing about hippos is it's one of those other animals that for whatever reason, when we anthropomorphize, when we give them like human characteristics, we make them sweet. Hunger, hunger, hippo. Yeah. You know, like polar bears. Like it's Coca -Cola. No, absolutely not. Kondybars. So aggressive. They're terrifying. No, fuck off. We do that with so many like terrifying animals.

52:25We do, you know, fucking, uh, Yogi Bear. We turned, we turned one of the scariest animals in the forest. Cross your body. Hey, boo, boo. Yeah. Let's get us a picnic basket. Remember that? Yeah. Dude, Yogi Bear was like this sweetheart. And how many people grew up thinking bears were their friends because that's stupid shit. And then these dummies, you go out in the woods and you're like, oh no. Maldives. People used to look at bears for what they are. And then teddy bears came around. And then when they started giving people teddy bears, then they started like thinking that, like, bears are your little friends.

53:00Yeah. And then build a bear's responsible for a lot of deaths. Oh. People don't talk about that enough. I don't think build a bear's responsible. But the teddy bear is. By the time build a bear came, it was already Disney movies. It was already too late. Yeah. It was already too late. Bear's your friends. Animals are your friends. They talk to you. They save you. They tell the people about the wicked witch. Oh my god. Oh. They're on your side. Have you seen that video of somebody hanging in the background of the Wizard of Oz? What? You don't know about, oh this is very popular. There's, there's, now remember.

53:33I think it is. I don't even think that's like, I think it is. Some people say it's a bird. Okay. Some people say it's a bird in the background. I thought it was like somebody who worked on the set. They said it was one of the little people. Yeah. They were the first person to go on sag strike. Oh no. Unpacking the myth of the hanging munchkin. So I can bet. Oh no. There's an unpacking. That's the problem with googling things. Yeah. You don't want all the answers. No. It's fun to be naive. No. Sometimes you want just fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I like to like read about like shit like hollow earth.

54:10That's that. That's that. That's what the fuck is hollow earth. Please unpack after this. That's it. Yeah. Okay. There could be anything. And when they're walking it does start moving like side to side. It starts walking. No, well. People say it's a swaying right? Yeah. When they're walking down the yellow road. Yeah. You think somebody would. Hey, keep rolling. You're just a fucking guy hanging. Keep rolling. You know how much money this film costs? Jesus. It's just one of the executive producers. You know how much money this studio is investing in this film. I'll pull the plug on it right now.

54:43Keep walking. Hanging little person be damned. Please unpack hollow earth from him because you said it and now I want to know everything about it. Well, hollow earth compare. It pales in comparison to space's fake. Space's fake is the greatest conspiracy thing to dive into online. It's amazing. It's so fun. How do you. How do you think they're lights in the sky? Like, like these kind of lights. I don't know. There's a firmament. There's like a glass ceiling above it all. Nothing can go out there because there's nothing there. The earth is flat. Didn't somebody land on the dark side of the moon the other day?

55:25China. China did. I think it was India. Yeah. Yeah, correct. Yeah. It's a. I don't think earth. Space can't be fake. Right? It's amazing how many people are into it. If you just Google hashtag spaces fake, you'll be taking to these random Instagram accounts. And here's the thing about it. I don't know if they're real people. But I don't know if it matters because it starts off. It could start off as like some Russian troll. Like, there's these things called like the Internet Research Agency is one of them. These troll farms. You know, you know about these? No. But it makes sense. René de Resta reported on it and some people.

56:09A lot of people reported on it. But what it is is they have these places where there's thousands and thousands of accounts. And they set up like they there's there's images of it. Where you see like rows of cell phones that are connected to this network. And they have these people that have these access to these accounts. And they're posting things that are really stupid. They're posting things that are ridiculous conspiracy theories. They're posting things blaming Democrats for certain things and blaming Republicans for certain things. At one point in time, Facebook, 19 of their top 20 Christian sites were run by Russian troll farms.

56:58It's genius like social sabotage at a very high level. And so they're interacting with people constantly online. So if you see people fighting on Twitter, if you say like a controversial post goes up about anything. And with foreign policy, trans rights, abortion, second amendment, anything. If you go into one of those popular posts, you'll see all these like crazed right wing and crazed left wing opinions. Occasionally you click on them. And if you go to like, I should say occasionally oftentimes you'll click on them. And you go to a page that seems oddly unhuman. It seems fake. There's something like a real personality behind it.

57:47And you go into it and you see that they're always engaging on these very specific issues. And they're always being like very confrontational. And it kind of discourages people that disagree with them from interacting with them. And it kind of encourages people that love to fight with people to fight back. So you get all this interaction. And these people do it to steer conversations and get people to lose faith in democracy, lose faith in the police's ability to protect you, lose faith in whether or not we can unite racially or sexually. Whether we can be a harmonious country. It's like designed to keep conflict going.

58:30It literally can accelerate conflict like gasoline on a fire. And that you can engineer to a certain extent. I don't know what percentage, but imagine it's 5%. You can 5 % through these trolls, engineer conversations in the public. And you can get people to do a lot of really dumb shit. Like if you wanted to get people to believe that the earth is flat. Or if you wanted to get people to believe that the earth is hollow and there's dinosaurs inside of it. And aliens live in there. You could get people to believe that. And then they would start fighting about it online. And then you could get people to believe that there's been a bunch of them.

59:09There's a bunch of them that are mainstream propaganda things. Like the Russia collusion hoax with Trump took us like three years to figure that out. But now everybody knows. It didn't really happen the way they were saying it was happening every day on the news. If that can take place with mainstream media, how much of what people are fighting about is like engineers? How much of it? That might be the most evil thing I've ever heard of my entire life. To just control and design chaos. You definitely are encouraging chaos. Like if people can still choose to engage or not engage. And that's where things get interesting.

59:47That's terrible, man. I mean, the internet is already such a terrible dark mean place without that. You add that fuel on top of it. Oh my God, it's no wonder people are depressed. What would really be scary is if you were forced to interact with people on the internet. Like if the internet, if there was like a social contract that you had to make where you had to give your opinions on certain issues, agree or disagree. Gender affirming care is essential to a child. Like that kind of stuff. Like it was about a lot of hours of a person. We have to move to 100 % renewables by 2030 at all costs. Agree or disagree.

1:00:29Voter ideas racist. Agree or disagree. The climate change is real and the science supports it. Agree or disagree. Vaccines are the most essential technology that medical science has ever created. Agree or disagree. What's crazy is people. People with the war in Ukraine and the United States has never done anything to encourage Russia invading Ukraine, including helping NATO move arms closer to their border. Agree or disagree. What's there ever? Vaccines are safe and effective. Agree or disagree. Imagine if you had to do that every couple of months and go over that and that, that's how people decided whether or not you could go to the grocery store today or you had to wait till Saturday or whether or not you could buy a plane ticket ever.

1:01:14The thing is now people feel like voluntarily they need to voice their opinions on those things. For the end of the day for what? They just like fighting. They just love it. It's an incredible man. People like it. I hate the internet so much. Well, I love it. I've always avoided it. You get just avoid the stuff that sucks. Just avoid interacting with people in that way. It's just not good. It's not good for you. It's not good for them. It's not good for anybody. You can interact with people and learn some interesting things. But at a certain level of fame, that becomes really hard. It's really hard.

1:01:47If you just interact with people, you're going to get people that are doing things just to get your attention. I know one of the ways to get your attention is to say something negative. I'm so, but I am so confrontational as well. I'm going to get John Lennon for sure. Don't say that. Dude, the amount of times somebody is going to come to one of your shows and kick your ass. I've just sent them my entire tour schedule and they're like, you can come to any show you want. I cannot stand the confidence people have behind the internet. It's not an echo. Most of it's not real. But there are a few psychos out there.

1:02:20I know I'm in the wrong for responding. I can't do that. It's dirty that fella. It gets my fucking blood boiling. But when people know that you can't stand it, they're going to do it. I know. I know. Jamie cut it. What do they feed the fucking fire? We cut that out of you one. No, no. I'll leave it in there, dude. Couldn't be less scared. Ah! Yeah, you're traveling a lot, huh? Yeah, man. Thanks for the internet. Do you do anything to, like, do you do anything like right when you land to just get rid of jet lag? You're figuring anything out like that? No, I'm still figuring it out. Yeah. I mean, I have to work out every day.

1:03:00That's my thing. Like, do you go to the gym right when you land? No, not necessarily. But depending on what time I land, I think. Because I like to do, I like to work out before the show. Just to get my blood pumping a little bit. Because I wake up most days so tired. Then I'm like, let me at least get a little energized. Yeah. My body moving. Isn't that ironic that when you're tired, the best thing you do is something difficult and you wake up. So weird. It's so hard to tell your body that, though. Today was hard for me to tell my, I mean, I do it every day. But every day I have the same fucking conversation.

1:03:28My body's like, I arrived at the lake here, bitch. But that's your discipline. My body's like, you're the boss. No, he's doing it to tell you what you did. Shut the fuck up. We don't have to get up and do anything. I'm like, you work for you. You're literally work for yourself. You don't have to be at work until 130. What are you doing? Come back to sleep. Be then you gotta have to be a vass yourself. What would David Goggins do? David Goggins are being up. He's up. That's not. You can't decide to live your life by what that guy does. Because you'll die. You want the scariest people. You don't have to live this extreme, man.

1:04:02But he's lovely. He's a great guy. Like a human. I want to give him some day. He's very cool. I love him to death. As a human, he's great. He's a cool guy. I'm like his motivation. I like being around positive people that inspire me to do better. And when he trusts you, like he knows you, he's cool as fuck. He's a fun guy. Did he get into it with Stavros? Get into it? Yeah. What do you mean? Like, really upset with each other? Stavros? The comic? Yeah. No, really? Is that real? I saw a weird cut up video that I didn't know if it was a real video. Oh, that's probably one of them, Pink Trip videos.

1:04:35Oh, it was very fun. It was very fun. I like it when it's a pink trip. Shout out to Pink Trip. This is dude Pink Trip, who takes... It was impressive. He was like me and Duncan Trustle being in love with each other. There's like a ton of them out there. That's very funny. It's, he's hilarious. He does a great job with those. Duncan's a good guy. Yeah. I don't think Stavros would say jack shit to David Gawkins. Nobody's gonna talk shit to that guy. He's terrifying. His fucking will and resolve is terrifying. It's impressive. Oh, this is it's so good. Wanna try cookie? Wanna try from knob? Yeah, this one.

1:05:08Dude, it'll be fun. Your fat is f***ing. Yeah. You want to be fat? Yeah, dude. Being fat is fun. Your mind is full of s***t. That's not okay. It's not okay. It's not acceptable. You need to f*** your carter. I don't want to be doing work. You owe your fat ass out of bed. You want it some f***ing damn cinnamon buns and s***t. Yeah, I love that. Man, you are a piece of s***. Oh my god, this is horrible. Yeah, man, that's why I was like, are they okay? Oh my god, this is so harsh. I don't want to work that hard. You know, man. You know f***ing man. Dude, like, I'm sorry I can't. Fat sloppy mother f***ing hold you.

1:05:48Okay, okay, okay. This is too real. It was aggressive. I was genuinely concerned. Stavros is one of those guys who's so funny. I don't care if he's fat. I have had a chance of meeting him yet, but I really want to. He's so funny. He's f***ing hilarious. Such a character. He's so funny on stage. He's so funny in real life. He's f***ing hilarious. And f***ing hustles, too. Dude, the clip he puts out of logs and everything. That's funny. The young kids today, the respect your social media hustle. It's only because, like, what most people don't know about me is I didn't want to do it for so long. Like, you don't understand.

1:06:23I despise social media. The ultimate success for me would be so successful. I could never have to look at my social media for the rest of my life. I just want to get there. So, when I now, because of the work I put in on it, I respect people who do do the work. Yeah, I respect it. It's definitely... It makes a... Like, if you're a good comic and nobody knows, that doesn't help anybody. Yeah, it's exposure, dude. You have to have it. There's a lot of guys who are doing a really good job with that. Jeff died. That's a really good job with that. There's a lot of guys who are like Mark Norman. Yeah.

1:06:57Sam Morrell. All those guys are doing a fantastic job. Oh, sure. When Shultz and Morrell started putting out their clips, that's when I was like half the master. Shultz converted into a Netflix show. I know. Genius. Amazing. Well, when he was... At first, he was doing... He was releasing a new bit every single week. And he was like, well, if I can write one minute a week for a year, it was a brand new hour. But when we were 52 minutes. And I was just not that was so inspiring. And I was like, I need to be doing something relative to that. Well, it's also, you know, the pandemic kind of opened up doors and also closed a shitload of them.

1:07:32But it did open up doors with time. And when you're just sitting there and you can't do the normal thing that you do, you start thinking, okay, okay, okay. Feel sorry for myself. That's all over. Let's get over that. And now let's figure out what can we do. Yeah. And if you're a hustler, if you're a guy who's like, you know, like a guy like Andrew, who's always trying to figure things out and get ahead and do better. Yeah, it's like... So he created like a nose... And by the way, it's a totally different style of comedy than his stand -up, which is interesting. Because it's these rapid fire punchlines where his stand -up is much more engaging.

1:08:09And he pauses more. He laughs a lot. What personable? Yes. Yeah, so this is like a different kind of comedy. But it was like really the best kind of comedy for the pandemic. Yeah. Like short attention span, rapid fire jokes, very silly, and turn your phone sideways. It changed everything. Yeah. That's scary to think about. You had to do it. You had to do something. It was almost like a late night show, the way he wrote that material. Yes. Yeah. And the attention span during that time period was so fast. Remember we thought Quibi was going to be a good thing? I never thought it was going to be a good thing.

1:08:50Nobody in the right fucking mind in behind him would win. Well, everyone's watching short things now. Are you sure? Well, everyone's on their phone. Those are always short videos. What they don't understand is that you can't just set out to create a successful show like that. Or a successful thing like that. And throw a bunch of money out of it and know that it's going to be successful. No. You have to let them become successful. Then you acquire them. That's the only way. Yeah. Like if you're through it, like, because they'll give up, just like they give up with a TV show. If you have a TV show in ABC, you know, and then the first few episodes come out and it doesn't do well.

1:09:29And then it drops off with the fourth. Yeah. You're done, son. Yeah. Over. But if you have something that you've developed on your own and you put it on, and these videos go viral. Naturally, then it makes sense that you have like a channel with this 10 seconds, these videos that have already gone viral. And people know to look for them. But if you're trying to get people to sign up for some new fucking thing while YouTube already exists. Yeah. And you're going to dump all the, unless you're like completely uncensored, like rumble or something like that. That kind of makes sense. That makes sense.

1:10:04But you're not going to be able to compete with them in terms of just entertainment. There's everything on there. I will respect them taking a risk that Hollywood just doesn't do anymore. Every meeting I go into now is like, so what reboots do you want to do? Right. Like that's a real conversation. Every single meeting I have. It's so sad. Well, there's probably less projects than ever before. Yeah, definitely. There's probably less money than ever before. And less certainty. I mean, nobody wants to sit through 8 p .m. to 8 .30 p .m. and watch three different commercial breaks. We don't want to do that anymore.

1:10:40People are done with that. Yeah. That should stupid. And unless you're a sitcom, that's the only thing that really lives. Yeah. That's, you know, middle of America. Yeah. And then you're watching arthritis commercial. Come on. What are we doing here? You know, with Netflix and with HBO and all these different streaming services. Like, wow. Only fans is getting in on the game as well. Yeah, they're producing comedy too, right? Yeah, the raping my tour bus coming up. I'm so excited. That's hilarious. It's so funny to get a sponsor. If you've ever seen the amount of money that is spent on content creators, on only fans, and most of it, naked girls, have you ever seen the amount of money?

1:11:20Let's guess. Like how much they spend a year. Like, only fans? For subscribing. Yeah. All the money that comes in. How much do you think they spend a year? From all the influencers. All the influencers. Yeah. I'm going to say a year? Yeah. 700 million. It's way more than that, I think. And I think it's probably somewhere around the GDP of a small country. What? What is it? What's the amount that only fans bring in every year?

1:12:00It's definitely increased last year, which is going to be way more this year. 2022's revenue was $2 .5 billion. But that's just only fans. There's a couple other sites too that to be included. Bro, if you get enough pictures of tits and feet, you can buy Guatemala. Bro, how wild is that? Okay, what's the GDP of Guatemala? Let's find out that.

1:12:26Like, where are they doing well? How much? Uh, Guatemala average reaching an all -time high of 95 billion. Oh, God. Okay, we're off by low. Well, that's quite a lot of. A record low of 1 billion and I can see. Who's not doing well right now? Okay, let's find a country. It's not your. You're a why. Is that a good one? Where the fuck is your. I'm not sure. I'm just going to go for ranking and try to. Okay, get me down to about 2 .5 billion. Let's see what they could buy. Let's start talking. Let's start talking. That's insane. Imagine like only fans island. They buy a fucking island. They could.

1:13:08They might be able to start their own country. One of those content houses. Yeah, they're like 10 models living in there. They could have their own rules. Their own country. I wouldn't surprise me at all. That's only in a year, bro. That's what's crazy. Yeah, that's in a year. Now how much does only fans get? What do they get? Like 10%. I think 10%. That's the cut. I think so. Think of that. But I'm wondering what inevitably set them aside from like Patreon's been around forever. Girls were doing Patreon before only fans. I wonder if the revenue split is better. Maybe the, is it easier to navigate?

1:13:42Well, I think wasn't it like they started it with the idea only fans. I don't necessarily think they started for just girls doing that. No, they, they started it for like fans of like performers and stuff and different things. But that was what really caught on. Yeah, exclusive content. This gals make so much money. Bullying is going to be at an all time high in like 10 years. Bullying, yeah in school. Imagine you got beef with a kid in school and at any moment you can go, oh yeah, yeah, here's your mom's pussy for $3 .99. Oh my god. It's going to be in all time. But in 10 years people can have pictures of every mom's pussy.

1:14:24You're going to hope not. Videos of your mom fucking. Oh god, I hope not. They'll make it with CGI. Like you'll be able to do it on your phone with 13 seconds. Man, people with just AI and Matt Rive's sucking the car. Bang. Yeah, that means not out there. 100%. Yeah, that's it. But they can make that right now. That's AI dude. That wasn't me. They're real close to being able to do that with like very realistic. I mean they can make your face move and make words come out of your mouth that you didn't say. They can take old recordings of you and then they have the baseline. There's a ton of commercials out there of me that I don't have anything to do with it.

1:15:01They're not really my commercial. I didn't really make a commercial. They used AI. They used my voice. They can do wild shit now, man. And you got to imagine that, that like if you're like a young female celebrity, there's probably already face swaps of you online. I'm sure. I'm in porn scenes. Yeah, there's no good footage of Bigfoot. Not one AI interpretation of Bigfoot. Exactly. Come on, man. Well, I think Bigfoot was a real animal at one point in time. It just makes sense. First of all, historically it was a real animal. There's a thing called Gigantopithecus. They found its bones in an apothecary shop.

1:15:39There was a large primate molar that an anthropologist found in an apothecary sharp that it was in China and it didn't match any known primate and he knew it was too large. And there was bones that seemed to indicate it was a jaw bones. It seemed to indicate it was bipedal. They can apparently tell by the shape of the jaw. And like how tall? Eight feet tall. It was an enormous thing. That's what it looked like. Oh, shit. It's very orangutan. But that looks like Bigfoot. It is Bigfoot. I think that is Bigfoot. I think. I mean, it's easier to believe one of these would just happen to still be around.

1:16:16No. Than a totally new creature, I think. Yes. But no. It's not easy to believe they're still around. When did they go extinct? They went extinct somewhere around 100 ,000 years ago. I don't know, man. They find animals sometimes. They don't know what it says. Like when did they 9 .8 feet? Wow. Okay, 11 ,700 years ago in Southern China. This is what they know, right? So they don't necessarily know that it was 11 ,700 years ago. Or really might have been like 6 ,000 years ago. They just don't have those bones yet. It's all like when they're finding bones of things, you know, like if they do, the last bone we found was, you know, this amount old.

1:17:00If they find a new one, six months from now, they do that all the time with like, they're finding all these new versions of human beings. Like they found Denisovans. That's a new kind of human that they found. I think they found that in Russia. I want to say that was like 2013 or 2014. But I think they just found another one in China that seems to be different than any other human being they found before too. So there was multiple versions of human beings, right? There was Neanderthals, there's Homo sapiens, there's, there's a bunch of different versions of us that didn't quite make it. That's so great.

1:17:35One of them they found was the Hobbit person. They found it in the island of Flores. And there's, there was always talk in, like legend of these little furry men, these little tiny men like how tall with the three feet tall, man. Oh, shit. And, but they found bones. And then when they found bones, they realized that this thing lived around the same time as human beings. Somewhere as recently as I think they think it was like 10 ,000 years ago. Wow. But that's what they looked like. So they looked like people. They used tools. They, they probably hunted. They had small brains. And they were tiny and probably covered with fur.

1:18:16And they found multiple bones of these. At first they thought like maybe that's a deformed human or what is this? And, but now they're reasonably certain that that's a, that's a new type of human being. Just a new type of higher primate. I don't know if you would even say human being. A little tiny little weird one. And they think there might still be some of those left in the wild. Has it, have they given any, and this is a cross -pollination of subjects right now? But has there been any thought as to these smaller bones being related to like aliens per se? Because sometimes I say there's little tiny people sometimes.

1:18:53I think, well, if you want to subscribe to the idea that human beings have been genetically engineered. Oh. Well, that's a much deeper conversation. Yeah. If you want to subscribe to the idea that human beings have been genetically engineered. Because that's one of the parts of UFO folklore that the real nutty ones. They want to say that we were, we were seeded with alien DNA. And so they took these savage lower primates like the chimpanzees still exist, right? They took these savage lower primates. And with a specific group of them, they manipulated their DNA to give them creativity, intelligence, the ability to communicate, you know, doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years, which is...

1:19:35This is a fun thing to believe. Why not? It's the best thing to believe. The most fun is aliens made us. That's the most fun. That's way more fun than like Amish. You know what I mean? As far as like believing in something? Well, the Amish, they, you know... They can't be the right ones. They seem happy, which is odd. You know... There is something to be said about that. I think there's like very low instances of autism amongst the Amish, very low instances of mental health disorders. I think like it sucks to say, but I think working hard all the time is really good for people. Oh, absolutely.

1:20:15It keeps you focused on something positive and productive. When people get too much time on their hands to think and do absolutely nothing else, I mean, you see what happens. Yeah, these dudes are out there pulling a wagon with a horse still to this day. They're making butter and sugar. Never seen Netflix. They look healthy. None of them are fat. They read. I mean, you probably should use electricity. Yeah, I'm pretty fat. It's, there's, because I've seen them in, I'm from Ohio. You'll see them in Walmart sometimes. You can't tell, but they're not like, aww. Are you going through Walmart with a lantern?

1:20:50No, see that's where I call bullshit. You can't, you gotta use all of it or none of it, man. Right, they pull up in a horse and bug you to Walmart. What? Yeah, like did you, I saw toilet paper there. That's a damn good point. That's a good point. And also like... They just have an outhouse in a stanky butthole. I saw one get having Uber one time. And I was like, oh, that's outrageous. Yeah, that's how I'm like, a great, a committed bit. Fly, you can't fly. You can't. You can't drive. No, no, no, no, no, no, trades, fuser. You familiar with the ride? What is this guy doing? He's playing Xbox. Get the fuck out of here, bro.

1:21:22Get the fuck out of here, bro. You can't do that, man. You're cheating. It's like omission and pause. This guy's playing a guitar. I got a guitar hero. Oh my god. Banjo hero. He's playing guitar hero. Look, the pull in the buggy and then go to Walmart. Get the fuck out of here. Look how they park too. So rude. Take it up, multiple spots. So the horse stays, you know? Yeah, well, the horse is smart. Cute. I might be tied to the pull. You might be tied to the pull. Yeah, every stuck behind one of these on like a one, on like a two -way road in countries. No, I have. That's fucking devastating. I think I saw one in the road once when I was going to visit my parents lived in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania once.

1:21:59Oh. And I used to have to drive when I was driving from New York, I'd go through like Pennsylvania. And we drive through Pennsylvania gets rural, sir. Yeah, of course. Like his rural and his fucking deer jumping in front of your car everywhere. It's like there's deer, but the most disturbing thing about that drive was when you pass by where the cattle are. Because the stench in the air. For a couple miles. I don't know what I was smelling. Would I was smelling fertilizer or whether I was smelling decay or whether I don't know what I was smelling. Probably fertilizer. They take all that shit and spread it for miles, man.

1:22:37It smelled so bad. Yeah. I could imagine if you were in that town, your nose gets used to it apparently. Oh, yeah. You don't smell it anymore. Yeah. But the fucking, what do you breathe in, man? I mean, it's just toxic. It has to be. It smelled like death. It was like, oh, what? I don't even know if they use all that same stuff. I mean, this is the 90s. I don't know if they use all that same stuff today. Did you see any amish when you were up there? I think I did. I might be imagining it. This might be the only group we can kind of shit on. I think I might have seen it once. I think I might have seen it once.

1:23:09I'm like, oh, yeah. But I didn't get stuck behind them. I would just hate to get to heaven and God was like, I'm glad you're here, but like you missed out on so much good shit down there. You heard only fans. Well, they are allowed to go nutty before they... Rumspringer, yeah. That's got to be a tough decision. There's a great documentary on it where they follow these amish kids and they go party in and have a good time. But the thing is, when you're used to that life, that life of toil and work and manners and it's probably attractive to cut loose, but then you probably feel lost. And they probably know that.

1:23:51That's why they let them go. They're like, we already got them programmed. Let them go. That's a good point. I wonder what the percent is that don't go back. What's finding that out? Because if marriage fails a 50%, that's obviously a huge decision. It's a lifestyle choice. Do you know anybody that was ever in a cult?

1:24:10Nothing I know. No, I don't believe so. I don't quite a few people. I don't quite... Yeah, I know quite a few people that were in cults when they were kids. How dangerous of cults. Yeah, there's like... There's a lot of different levels of cult. Like what is Jehovah Witness of Cult, the Scientology of Cult, is like, you know, there's cults that are like... I mean, like Doom's style. I just get Doom's style. Doom's Day style. Well, one of them was. She was told that she was an elder and that she was a prophet. And then when the family left and she was 13, she's like, oh my God, thank God. It was like someone with stress thinking I was a prophet.

1:24:48Now she works like a writer. She really just a 13 year old kid. You know, but there's... I was talking to Mark Andreessen and he was telling me that there's successful cults that are still operating in California, a lot of them. And I'm like, what? So he started like labeling all these different cults that operate still in California. They just managed to keep it together. With what end goal? What's the goal of a cult? Just control? Yeah, I think it's... There's a natural inclination specifically among males to dominate a group of people and have them treat you as if you are this wise sage that's completely in tune with the right way to live life and you're here to teach.

1:25:34And that what you do is you bestow this wisdom upon them and usually it involves you banging everybody's wife. Usually they all give you all their worldly possessions. They treat you to the finest meals. You eat first, then they eat. You know, you bless them. When you talk, everybody listens. And they really do believe that you're divine. And it happens in like Waco with the branch to maybe end the documentary other day. Ooh, that guy. I almost bought his car. No way. Look at the car. It's a 68 Camaro. Yeah, I found out it was for sale and I almost pulled the trigger. But I was like, what am I doing?

1:26:09What was it going for? What if ghosts are real? And what... And you're in the car? And what if... Not just ghosts are real, but like the energy of a person is real. Like I was a psycho. Yeah, because you know what's even crazier? You have the power to start a cult. It would be so fucking easy. It would be so easy. I just want to say to CIA, I have no desire to do that. Do you guys not? I do not. I like archery. I like playing pool. I did sign something in the laundry while I was waiting for you actually. What was that? That was a release form? No, that was a cult admission form. I'm in. You're in.

1:26:41I've been waiting for the Illuminati. I was like, how many followers do I need before I get the Illuminati? We bought land, Wyoming, or good to go. I was supposed to be there last week actually. I was supposed to be a Jax and a Whole. I haven't been. It was my only week off and then I went to Chappelle's birthday instead. It's so pretty up there. I want to go so bad. It's so pretty. Do you watch the Yellowstone? I haven't. Dude, I haven't seen a TV show in like a year. Really? Yeah. Do you watch anything when you're on the road? Do you watch YouTube? I never. No. I really don't have time. It's like you travel, you do the shows.

1:27:12And then when I get down to the shows, I go back in my room and edit for like two hours. Do you find that that sometimes gets in the way of writing because you're not experiencing enough life? One of the things like remember in the 80s, it was like stock material that everybody would talk about. Airlines seats not moving back and do not disturb. Nobody listens. It was because that was your life experience. You were always just traveling. Yeah. I was very unrelatable. Yeah, because I also, and nobody really knows this, because all my clips are about crowd work. But most of my jokes are stories.

1:27:46I don't know if I have a joke less short of them in like three minutes. So with me not really being out there and experiencing a lot of things, I am curious, because I'm about to shoot my next special in September. And when I start all over, this build is brand new hour. I'm like, what is going to be the theme of it? Is it going to be about my current state of life? I'm not 100 % sure yet. But that's the most fun thing about stand -up is having to start all over and figure out what this new hour is. It's very fun. Yeah, it's scary. It's very scary. It's just exciting. It's a creative thing, coming up with a new thing.

1:28:17And also you're doing it live in front of people. Yeah. There's a lot of bits where I've done them and they were kind of successful. I'm like, I can put that one in a shelf for a bit. I don't think about that one. Because I think I'm saying some things. I'm not really believing. I'm kind of like pushing it too much. I'm trying to make it work instead of reassessing. So let me reassess. Oh yeah. It's like it's kind of a fun process because you know, you put it together over time. And at the end, you're like, I got it. This is it. This is the right way to say this thing. And you have to test it in so many different settings as well.

1:28:49Like last night, we've been doing this tour for, I mean, the better part of this year. We're in these amazing theaters, like 1500, like 6000, which is incredible. But sometimes you have to remember that's not always real stand -up. Like I had for some new shit that I'm working on for the upcoming special. I popped in in a couple local spots here last night where it was like 25 people of the first one and like 30 of the next one. I was like, I missed this. Yeah. This is where you see if jokes work. Yeah, little crowds like the belly room at the comedy store is the best. It's like a little truth serum.

1:29:19You know, you just, you feel the grossness of a fake like the way you're phrasing something. You feel like you're not connected to the other. Yeah, this is not a comedian would say this. But not even a comedian would say this, you're not attached to it. Yeah, I know what you're saying. You can't just present in front of 25 people. You've got to be there with them. You've got to really be locked in. Yeah. And they know it. Oh, they can see that. Because if you're up there, just to eye notice the other day. Yeah. You could do that in a large crowd of 3000 people because there's this like sort of weird disconnect.

1:29:49Yeah, it's more performance -based. Yeah, it's a different feel. That's why I wanted to do all these theaters right after like leaving the comedy clubs. Like because obviously agents go, the numbers were doing. What stadiums do you want to do? I was like, dude, can I get used to a theater first? Right. Because it's a totally different performance. It's a different timing for sure. Yeah. You got to hold laughs longer. And also, I realized once I went to watch Lewis Black. And we were doing the same place the next night. We got there early in Joey and I went across the street. And it was like right there.

1:30:23And so we were sitting in the audience. And when he was killing, when he got with big laughs, he would occasionally have a tag that he would hit that I didn't hear because so many people were laughing. And I was like, oh, wow, that's something to take into consideration because I didn't think about that because we were like in like probably the 30th row back. And it was a pretty big theater. And so the roars were really loud. Like when he was killing it was really loud. So as the laughter, what? And then he was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I didn't notice that. And I'm like, oh, you can't hear because people are, you got to wait.

1:30:56Like for certain tags, you can't hit them like a comedy club. No. Bang, bang, bang. The laughter, the loudness of the laughter when you're in the midst of it. It's too loud. Yeah. Oh, I got so lucky. I was able to be on the show with one of Chappelle's birthday shows at MSG this next week. And I saw that. I had never been to a stadium before. I had never even been to Madison Square Garden. So I don't know that I've really been to a stadium. No, I've been to a Clipper A Clipper's game in my life. But I've never performed anything that big. And like my first couple jokes up there, I realized I stepped on the laughs.

1:31:28Like probably five times. And it takes, you literally have to go, and I know, and I know. Like the laughs take so much longer to get to you. Yeah, 15 ,000 people is another level up above theaters. But the positive energy when the joke does hit. Fuck. The biggest place I ever did with Dave and I did 25 ,000 people in Tacoma, Washington. That was bananas. 20 ,000. It was 5 ,000. It was bananas. Yeah, it was so fun. Goggins was there for that one. No way. It was the Tacoma Dome. Tacoma Dome. It's a sick name. It was dope. We did it in the round too. It was bonkers. The laughs were just like, what is this?

1:32:09When you hit a big punchline and the whole place just falls out, you're like, holy shit. I haven't done it in the round yet. I don't know if I'd like it. It's great. Is it? It's intimate. It's weirdly intimate. Oh, I would like that then. The thing is, you're really in there with the people as opposed to a theater. See, the thing about, or if you're doing an arena and it doesn't have a round, the thing is like, you have this big ass stage and you're above everybody and there's like a gap. And then, so there's the stage, which is you and then there's them. But when you're in the round, then it's everyone in a circle.

1:32:45So people are looking at people. Everyone's in there. I didn't think about that. Everyone's in there together. And we're all feeding off each other and everybody's having a good time. So everyone's laughing and it's fun and you're wandered around. So it's playful. You wandered around this big circle. It's great. Fuck, I'm out of the chat. I love it. It's my favorite way to do big places. By far. I don't like doing them the other way. The other way, it just feels like I want to be out there with you guys. I don't want to be like up here. It feels weird. I also feel bad for somebody sitting so fucking far away in an arena.

1:33:22Well, usually they have big screens too. But that's not what you're there for. Yeah, but it's you're there also just like the experience of experiencing it with a lot of people there. You know, like there's a thing about experiencing things with a lot of people. Like I saw guns and roses in Greece. I saw guns and roses in the ass. I saw that photo. It was so dope. But it was just the feel of all those people having a good time. It's like just just this wave of fun and positive feeling that's like in the air that I think people. It's like that thing that I was saying that there's like there's things in the world that you can't measure.

1:34:01But they're real and we seek them out. We seek out these weird moments where people collectively can experience something at the same time. I love that psychological sync up of there's just something contagious of being in the middle of a crowd of people who enjoy themselves. That just takes what you want to enjoy yourself as well. It's contagious. It's contagious laughter for sure is. But fun is too. You know, it's good times are contagious. No, it's in so or bad times. That's a good book. Yeah. Yeah. Good times are contagious. Yeah. Sounds like it's a book on STDs though. Never mind. Never mind.

1:34:39Never mind. Yeah. It's just a weird aspect of being a person. You know, we have this stupid myth of the loner. You know, like, you know, I like to be by myself. Like, that's not good. No. That's not normal. That's made to be that way, I think. Every now and again, it's good to be by yourself. But when I think about loners, I think I'm like Ted Kaczynski. I think I like the unibomber or some fucking psycho out there laying bear traps in the middle of a Montana. You have to laugh or you will go fucking insane. I think people need people too. I just don't think it's a good thing to be by yourself too much.

1:35:19I think that's one of the things that really freaked everybody out about the pandemic. When everything got locked down and people were terrified and they were in their homes for months and months at a time without any interaction. With other people. When they finally did see people, they didn't know how to behave. They were weirded out. Everybody was scared. Yeah. It was so uncomfortable. It was so weird. It was so weird. It was such a mind -fuck. When you tour, do you travel with a lot of people? No. No. No. Because that's like the most specific thing I've been trying to build with the tour I'm on right now is I wanted to make sure I surrounded myself with people who are going to make all of this journey.

1:35:59I wanted to make sure I was positive and fun for me. If you have a lot of people, not a lot of people, but the right people. Well, yeah. Look, good people. I travel with good people that I know, like comics that I know. People that I know. Yeah. But sometimes people get on to Rogers. I won't understand. It's just chaos. Not only that, there's always problems. There's always a guy that's late. There's always the guy that's a mooch. There's always a guy that does this. There's always a guy that's trying to get you to fucking going on some liquor deal with him. Yeah. Or CBD. I know guys who have fucking onterroshes.

1:36:36And when I run into the onterrosh, there's like, there's a few of them that are really cool. There's a few of them that are just, you know, like you got a lot of people around you, man. This is a lot of things to manage. Do you like this? Some people like it, though. They like rolling deep, you know, two, three SUVs. No, dude. I don't like going out. Like what afterwards? Yeah, dude. I mean, I mean, every city we go to is like, hey, this, this club wants to host you for a free night of whatever. And I'm like, dude, I, I not only need, but want sleep. Yeah, but you can't get any get it. So we'll stay out.

1:37:09You can't get sleep. I definitely wouldn't get it about that. Maybe if you went out, maybe that's what's the key to you getting some sleep. Go out. You're a little partian. Do you drink? No, not really. Not at all. Like for an occasion. Does that put you out? No, come on tequila guy. Oh. Which is kind of that upper a little bit. Is that real? I think it, I always do feel like I have a little bit more energy. We've Googled that before. Have we? Is that a myth? Is that a myth? It's alcohol. It's alcohol. But isn't there some sort of an effect that's different because is tequila? It seems different.

1:37:42It's clear. That's the different. That's the one difference that we did dig into it. Like it's clear it doesn't have additives. It's probably the most pure. And you know, those impurities are things that can cause hangover. I mean, I'm not a fan of any of it. I hate all alcohol. I don't enjoy any of it. It tastes fucking terrible. It's not good for you. All those things are true, but I like it. What's your drink? I like a whiskey. Oh yeah, you're only fucking man. I'm American whiskey on the rocks. I just, I can't have it. I like that taste. I like that. Whoa! You like suffrage? It's not suffering.

1:38:15No, it's like. Yeah. That's what it's like. You don't have. You can also enjoy. I enjoy that too. I like fucking gatorade shit. I like a lot of things. When I drink gatorade, I never go. Whoa! But if I drink buffalo trays, I'll drink buffalo trays and go.

1:38:40You don't smoke cigarettes, do you? I have smoked cigarettes before comedy shows. Oh really? Does this calm you down? No, lights me up. Lights my brain down. I can't see. Yeah. Never can do it. My parents were heavy smokers. Yeah. I like cigarettes off. Well, it's a very dangerous habit. And even I think about that when I do shows sometimes, like, I limit myself to one or two. Because if I feel like I start liking it and I start smoking all the time, like that, that's terrible for you. It's terrible for you to just do, you know, supposedly those American spirits are better because it's just tobacco.

1:39:10But all of it is like burning leaves in your lungs. Yeah. And it doesn't seem to like marijuana does not seem to have the same health problems of people's lungs unless you're probably a chronic marijuana smoker. Because you got to think how much of the paper are you smoking? Because you're not just smoking the leaf. And especially if you're rolling blunts. I know a guy who loves blunts and they're smoking blunts all day long. So you're taking in a lot of tobacco. Yeah. That's a lot of tobacco on top of the weed. You ever do the pens? Yeah, you do pens. I mean, that can't be good for your right.

1:39:48Like that is just chemical, isn't it? Well, it's definitely chemicals, right? It depends on how they manufacture them, but it's different kinds of oils. And I'll some of them do it with like MCT oil, which is like food grade oil. But I don't know if there's like strict standards on that stuff. As far as I know. And where are you getting them made? You getting them made here? Are you shipping those bitches to China? Like who's making these things? Yeah, they're $7 .00. They can't be made here. Well, too accessible. They probably can't make the, they probably can't import the actual cannabis. So I bet they actually do make it here.

1:40:22Now that I think about it, that makes sense. That they probably do make it here. They probably have to make it here. But do they make the pens here? Like the ones that explode and go through people's brains? Oh, that's a real thing. I thought that was a myth. I thought that happened one time. I thought all of them do it. There was this one where this guy had this like thing lodged. And his head and the X -ray, I'm like, is that real? I want to believe it's real. Because the vape exploded? Yeah. Like like a rocket. But that doesn't make sense. It seems like it would just blow out. It doesn't seem like you would propel forward.

1:40:56With the kind of thrust that would be required to enter your brain. It's not a musket. Right. It's not a can then. Bring us back to the can of days. Just think about that, man. Wooden boats, shooting iron balls at each other. I mean, take it back more centuries when you had to be in a night. Vaping can seriously damage your health. E -sigger had exploded in teenagers and mouth breaking his jaw and blowing out teeth. Because of his botched do it yourself, hacks. Oh, God, this kid. He was in Russia. Of course, it was in Russia. These wild people. Did you see the picture before I scrolled up? He was nine years old.

1:41:32Nine years old. Oh, let me see. We want to see it. Oh, my. Oh, blue is face apart. Oh, God, damn it. Oh. Oh, oh. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I wasn't sure if that's the same one you saw, but that sounded close. Blue is face apart. Hey, isn't the e -sigger a company? I believe it said oftentimes the problem isn't the pen. It's the people who use it. Man, the most gaslighting shit I've ever read. Yeah. The guy is probably the one who caused the accident. Yeah. That made it explode. We had Peter Berg on the other day, and he was talking about the opioid crisis. Because he created that series of pain killer on Netflix.

1:42:17You haven't seen it. It's fucking incredible. But it's about the Sackler family and how they created this. One of the things that they did was when people got hooked on oxy -contin, they had a policy of hammering the abuser. Go after them. They're drug addicts. Like, shame them. So that's what they would do. They're like, oh, he was a drug addict. This person was a drug addict. And it's nothing to do with whether or not our drug is addictive drugs. Our addictive drug addicts. He is a drug addict. And so that's what they did. That was their gaslighting. But you can't be a drug addict without the drugs.

1:42:47I know, but they just go on the problem. If you can make someone think that someone else is a drug addict, that's a shameful thing. Oh, he's a drug addict. It's shameful. And so they shame the abusers. That's fucked up. Yeah, it's typical corporate gaslighting. They like to do stuff like that. It's fun. Change the narrative. Get that Russian troll farm involved. I start going after those drug addicts. Those damn drug addicts are the problems. Not the pills. I take mine on a regular basis. I have had zero problems. And in fact, I had to go off before surgery. And I had no problem whatsoever. I did it the way the doctor told me to.

1:43:29The FDA is smarter than you. I hope you know. I can see this written on Twitter already. Yeah. I have another social media theory to go along with these troll farms. Okay. So you know how this will be like a new TikTok dance every week. I've heard about these things. Oh, same. As much as I post on TikTok, I don't fucking watch anything. It's something I'm most proud of. Good for you. But anyways, there's always something trending every single week. There's some new dance that every girl from 11 years old to 40 -year -old is doing. But to my recollection, at least up until 2015, if somebody came up with a dance, the Duggie, the cat daddy, like that person was famous for making that dance a thing.

1:44:12Right? Everybody knew who that was. Yeah. There's never an originator of these dances. And I have a theory that TikTok does AI dances of trends that they push out to people's dreams and go, and then everybody goes, oh, this is the trend. I have to do that now. Because there's never a person taking credit for, I was the first person to fucking do whatever this shit is. That never happens. I think it's AI infiltrated trends. I don't believe they're really creative by people. Well, TikTok is a genius company. If you want to look at it from a perspective of how effective it is. And it's interesting because, you know, I had Adam Curry on.

1:44:49You know what, Adam Curry? No. He's the original podcaster. Okay. Podcasts for number one. And he has a different theory than a lot of it. Most people that I talk to say TikTok is dangerous. It's like tracking all your information and everything you do online. But his theory is they're all doing that. And what they don't like is that this Chinese company is eating their lunch. This Chinese company is figured out a way to have the most addictive out of all of these social media sites. TikTok is the most addictive. And he's saying, like, look there, if you don't think that they're all tracking your shit on a regular bit, they're definitely doing that.

1:45:25And they're probably using your microphone. There's a weird coincidence that pops up all the time where you're talking about something and then you see ads for it. Like that's weird. Did you watch social media? Yes, I did. Crazy. I had the guy who did it. Tristan Harris come in and talk about it. It's a fucking terrifying thing. And it's, we're interacting with something that we're not designed for. Yeah. Like we evolved to experience natural things, animals, wildlife, beautiful scenery. That's why we react to those things. That's like part of what we are. And now the sudden we're locked into this thing that we don't have any like reference of history for.

1:46:07There's no like well back in the 1800s when high speed internet first was available. There was a lot of confusion. A lot of propaganda got pushed by various nations until mine reading became available. You know, and then it made lying impossible. Like that's literally what we probably need to get out of this mess. We need mine reading. We need mine reading. We need to make lying impossible. And it's, we got to get to it before they have complete total control of your money. We got to do it before people agree to essentialize digital currency that's attached to a social credit score system. If we can get to mine reading before that, then people will uprise and then they'll realize like, okay, this is outrageous.

1:46:52Like this is not how the world's supposed to be run. And if it's ubiquitous, like the whole world has mine reading software. It makes all the stuff very difficult. I mean, you could somehow or another force compliance, but it's going to be very difficult to do that with all the soldiers in sync now. It's going to be very difficult to like lead armies where people are going to know what your actual intentions are. And they're going to know that this is motivated by money and that this report that you've brought in front of Congress about the movement of these terrorists and the dangers of their weapons and mass destruction, we're going to know it's not true.

1:47:29So it's not, it's going to end wars. Do you have any idea how mean it is to bring guests on the show, get them so high and then talk about the worst possible realistic outcomes of this world? I don't know if it's the worst possible. I have to go build a fucking bunker after this and get all my cash and gold immediately. No, you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine. It's just this is a different life. And we have to adapt on the fly. This is where we live in a different life. This is a different life than any human being that we are aware of has ever lived in. When would you have liked to have lived?

1:48:07I like this time right now. Really? Yeah, this is what I'm accustomed to. I enjoy it. How old are you? 56. What year were you born? 1967. I would have liked to have been born in like 62. We're up through the 70s, enjoy the 80s as a young adult 90s become a real adult, start a family and then learn all this stuff later. I don't like being a part of this generation at all. Well that's kind of what I did. I mean, I became an adult human before the internet. And then the internet came around and I first got on it when I was 27. That was the first time I went to CompUSA and I bought a little Apple computer and it was hooked up to like a 14 for modem and you had to dial up to get online.

1:48:51It was like, I remember. Yeah, I'm so lucky to have got to wait. It was so slow. Like it was CompUSA you'd go on to like these. Was that one website that everybody used that went away? AOL. American Online. You've got mail and you'd get an email. You're so excited. Like, oh my god someone wrote me and you need to like write your friends. Like this is crazy. I'm writing letters to my friends. I read something about you and the internet and I'm curious if it's true. Is it true you used to spend like tens of thousands of dollars on high speed internet to play a video game better? I spent a lot of money having a T1 line installed in my house.

1:49:28What the fuck up? Yeah. To play what? To play Quake. What is Quake? Quake is an amazing 3D online death match game where you're running around with like rocket launchers and rail guns and you're running through these mazes and you're fighting other people that are on your screen in like real time. You've never heard Quake? It's a 3D shooter. You're showing some Quake 3 arena. You're the scariest nerd ever. I've ever met. I've never seen that. They just remastered Quake 2. So it's like it just came out like a week ago and they like HD. Oh, I've never seen that. Good it looks. Oh my god, it looks so good.

1:50:14So this was the game I really started with was Quake 2.

1:50:20The original two levels too. They made new stuff for it. But the thing about this game is not really the levels. The thing about this game is death match. Well, what was death match? Death match is one on one or team versus team. Like you're on a team with four like what you could do is you could you jump on a server online and you would look to join a team like say if you're playing rock at arena you can find a server and you could just join a team. And so and then once the teams were filled the game was start came begins and through you do and then you're you're got like your side is like one color and the other side is green and you're running through this fucking maze looking for the enemy and trying to acquire like weapons and all these different things.

1:51:06But it's this is the game. This is Quake 3 arena. And so it's these wild graphics. It looks fun. It's very early 2000s. Give us some volume so you can hear it. So you hear things too. You hear your footsteps. And you're going through here and then you find you find the people and you do get it out. And when you hit him it makes up. Oh, I love that. Oh, shit. So now he's got to get the health. Give me some health. Give me some armor. I can see getting addicted to this. Oh, fuck yeah, you can. I'm getting it right now. It's so fun. And this dude's good. So this dude who's playing here. He knows what the fuck he's doing.

1:51:45Yeah, I was going to rock it, launcher. Oh, shit. Now motherfuckers are about to die. Look at that. You guys got to get some armor. And your internet speed would depict how quick your movements are and everything. How crisp you could play the game. Yes. It's a, it's the lag is the big one. Like how close you are to the server. That's a very important thing. And how good your internet connection. Look how good this guy is. This guy's a killer. So these kids who play this game and maybe even adults, they get so damn addicted that they, they learn all the maps inside and out. So they know all the moves on the maps.

1:52:26Like there's certain places where you can hop from one ledge to another ledge. And you can camp and stand there and they come through the doorway. You blast them. There's all sorts of like weird sneaky little tricks in these games. Oh, that is so cool. His people get really good at it. I was curious about this. It's so addictive. It was so addictive. I had a quick cold turkey. And then we built a, a land room at our old studio in LA and I had a quick cold turkey again. It's crazy. Quake the new version of it. What is the new, the online clock? Quake champions. It's the one they're playing. They're still.

1:52:57Oh wow. He's been the man in this game for a few years. So these guys are like top of the, give me some volume. Nothing is really worth it. Watch the rest guys. You think you're this big, early scale that can then just go in and bully the frags away. Look at that commentary. Look at this sport. Amazing. I will say I don't get it. I don't, I don't get watching other people play video games. Well, because you play it. So if you played the game, you know the game and you know how hard it is and you know what what he's doing is so impressive. But you just cannot. Is it lower their volume? Is it golf or other sports?

1:53:37Yes. You don't get the sport. You won't like watch it. It's, it's one like for me because I play it. This is very intriguing. It just feels like video games are something that you play it enough. Anybody can get good at it. Yeah, but it's a lot of like fast thinking. Hand on coordination. Yeah, that's very true. That is very true. You have to practice your aim. There's a lot going on. There's different weapons, behave in different ways. They're studying the maps and strategy. I mean, it's just fucking I do that. Woo, I can't imagine sitting down and watching this when like there's porn hub. You know what I mean?

1:54:10Once you jerk off, then you go right back to it. You know what? Yeah, you know what? Two things can't be true. You're right. Look how this guy's doing this. This is genius, man. He's really good. It's very, it's so fast pace. Is this video sped up or is it some quickly you play the game? No, this is how quick the game is. That's very impressive. That's one of the things that's exciting about it. It's because it requires you to really think quickly and move quickly and you're changing weapons. And the guy's playing can't kill on me. There's up eight to 0 right now. Yeah, and that's very frustrating for the other guy.

1:54:37And the guy, every time he spawns, he's got no energy or rather no weapons. He's got a bullshit standard gun that you're not going to kill this guy with. The longer you live, you get more powerful. Well, the longer you traverse the map and accumulate all the different armor and shit. So this guy, every time he fucks that dude up, he gets some of his armor. He's getting the super health. So all these things, look at that. Oh, he's fucking that dude up. Oh, he got killed. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. That guy's really good. He's really good. But that's what it is. It's like he gets so excited. And it's so exciting.

1:55:15It's so much more exciting than literally anything else that's a game. More than Halo? People love Halo. I don't play Halo. I don't play Halo. But it's kind of the same sort of thing. It's a first person shooter. Then you run around. Is it Halo first person? Is it the third person? Yeah. So those things are just super, super addictive. I think the chat rooms will be addictive. People say the meat is crazy. Oh, they go crazy. Dude, it's insane. They go crazy on those all the games. They actually just made an announcement about that that's going to change. You get something like eight strikes, which I don't know exactly how they're going to count those.

1:55:47But they have AI listening now. So all those game chats are being recorded. Oh. Oh. They start talking shit. They're going to start striking you down. And then you get you have to take a break for a year or something. Oh, my God. Good. Well, they're just going to sign back on to real fucking new your new email address, whatever it is. But still we're fake notes. Yeah. I got it here. Change the pronouns. You're not going to stop these junkies. These people are just straight up jumping. It has trash on cheeks as racist as it can be. Mm -hmm. All of it. This is so funny. People aren't good. It's so funny.

1:56:21Well, they definitely like to be naughty. Oh, the things people will say when people can't see who's saying it. Yeah, people like to be naughty. It's impressive, dude. Well, it's also it's like you feel like you're protected. You're in Sweden or you're in fucking Montana. You're on the internet. It's a fake name. You know, you're super killer, 69, whatever. And you're out there fucking people up. I wanted to do like a modern troll version of Bully B down from that show. Oh, yeah. Well, like you use the same technology and sources that you use for like catfish. You know, they do all this research to really find the person.

1:56:59So say you're talking shit to fucking sugar Sean, right? Like you're like this is the concentrate. You're always talking about what a trash fighter he is. We team up with Sean. We do the research. We find out what this dude really is. And we go, you said you could beat him up or a 15 year old girl could beat him up. Looks like a dozen times. So we're going to offer you an amount of money to put your money where your mouth is, but he also gets a chance to whip your ass. Yeah. The guy's going to go. I didn't really mean that. Of course, but then he looks, but then it looks like a bitch in front of everybody, but he's got to have to sign the waiver.

1:57:28That's where it's you got to give him enough money. The money has to be worth it. Yeah, but the thing is they're not going to fucking win. You know, I always wanted that about cops. Like how do they, do they have to sign what they have to sign waivers right on the show cops? Yeah, I remember it's so cops does, but I told you that that show that's been going on. It was called life pre. It's called something else now. They have a weird workaround because it's live on TV streaming for three hours a night. And it's like they always say they're following me. Don't worry about them. The cops are doing a documentary about us.

1:57:57Right. Uh, and I guess that's the loophole. Just sort of like the prank calls and Vegas kind of thing. Huh. That's hilarious. Man, can you imagine being that fucked up? You're like, yeah, I still want to see the tape back. Yeah. Well, you're on math and you're fucked and panzer down by your ankles and you're on TV. There's a light in your face and you piss all over your pants. You're like, huh? Why are we driving that car? Oh, no. Man, I'm not. You're on math. I'm just trying to get home. Shit. I'm not bill for jail, dude. I hope I never go. Why am I awake? And then they offer you like 500 bucks.

1:58:38Yeah, perfect. And you just sign away and they say, you know, Travis, was you on TV kissing your pants? Well, you doing math and coding again. I don't fucking know. Why am I on TV? Those poor people, man. But if I had a type forever, you know, it's such exploitation. Do you remember when Steven Segal had a show like that? I remember hearing about it. I never saw it. Bro, was he like his own dog, the bounty hunter? Tom Segal had a whole bit about it. Tom Segal became obsessed with Steven Segal at one point. Tom is very popular. It's in his first special, right? Or the second one? Well, I forget which one.

1:59:17But Steven Segal, he was like a cop, like an actual cop. Like he went through the academy and everything. I don't know. The law man. The law man. So maybe they deputized him. I don't know how that fucking worked. But Steven Segal was hanging out with these cops in Louisiana and Jefferson Parish. And he started taking on a Louisiana accent. No, he did not. No, he did. Yes, he did. It was amazing. See if you could find video of him talking. He's a fucking character that guy. He's a fucking character that guy. So imagine you're a kid, you know, maybe you sell and crack or whatever. And you get pulled over by fucking Steven Segal.

1:59:59Like you've got to think it's punk. And he's actually got a little real gun and he might shoot you in his cameras there. Like what is going on? Am I in a movie? Like you would think you're in a movie. I would do something like this. Imagine that you're a kid and you're in a bed. You grow up in a bad neighborhood. You're 17. This is the first time you ever met anybody famous. Uh -huh. You're getting arrested by him. It's Steven Segal. It's the fucking guy from above the law. Everybody's seen above the law. Yeah, how can you possibly take this serious? Also, if it starts roughing you up, you're going to be kind of pissed off that Steven Segal is just allowed to touch you like this.

2:00:34Everybody off. Taze them. Taze them. Taze them. Everybody off. So they're tasing the guy. Yeah, we got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it.

2:00:48We got it. So what is this guy have? Crack. What is it? A mask. Carjacking. Anything you say, Cannon, we'll be against you to court a lawyer. Extremely high speed pursuit. He jumped out the call with a 270 win chest. Damn. They have a beautiful way of talking. Yeah. People from Louisiana. I would probably start talking like that if I moved there. I would have dropped it. My opener is from Louisiana. It's a beautiful way of talking. It's like there's a flow to it. You know? It's beautiful. It's awesome. It sounds good. Like it says this is a cool flow to it. Makes you feel safe. I don't feel in danger with somebody from Louisiana talks to me.

2:01:28Oh, well, yeah. I'd feel in danger if I was tied up and they were talking to me like that. Well, yeah. If anybody ties me up, they're going to sound terrible error. Might be murdered or raped. All above. Wow. Depending on how they're feeling, which one starts first? You know. Again, not bill for prison. You don't want to show like 60 days in? 60 days in prison. No. Is it 60 days in? It might be 30. I think it's 60. Where it's like they send regular people into jail. Oh, my God. Like a county jail or something like the rest of the state jail, I guess. If that's a thing. Oh, my God. They send them in as actors.

2:02:09Oh, my God. To try to infiltrate like, you know, who's bringing the drugs in? Who's who the king pins in here? And though, boo, some of them rise in the ranks within like a week. It's impressive. But also so insulting and so dangerous. Super fucking dangerous. And sometimes they get compromised. No, sometimes they get compromised. Like once the prisoners figure out, they'll be like, because some of the prisoners have heard about the show. So sometimes they'll be interviewing the prisoners. The prisoners will be like, I think he's on, I think he's from that show. 60 days in. One of the copies that he was like watching behaviors of other officers.

2:02:43This guy volunteered to join his father in the program. Wow. Substitute. I think I watched the teacher. Electrician. The cop is an interesting one. He entered the program to observe the behaviors of the corrections officers. Maybe he heard there's some abuse going on. Yeah, people can just, people can just volunteer. Wow. See what it was like. Discuss martial arts trainer. Wow. Probably the son with them to show it was like in prison. Yeah. This guy has family members in there. His lady, she wanted to see what it was like for them. Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. It's. It's impressive. They go in there and they really, they really live with these people.

2:03:20And they get, they get, they get information. Some do rise to ranks of being like the head of the cell block. And at the end of the 60 days, you have to go, ah, gotcha. Are these like, oh my god, that's so crazy. Are these like minimum security? Like, are they going to probably? It's not, it's not prison. It's, it's jail still. Yeah. Yeah. Which I mean, it's still dangerous. I mean, you see a final every fucking episode. Oh my god. It's so impressed. The geniuses that are in jail is first kind of season six. He's a super fan and he's a big guy. I remember that guy. And wanted to see if he could just try, try it out.

2:03:56Oh my god. Yeah. Spoiler alert on that one. Uh oh. Yeah. Does it not work out? Pretty early. Can only imagine. Yeah. Yeah. The average person wouldn't do well in there. No, there's people, there's people who, the, the first day when they're getting checked in and they're just like in that cold cell with everybody else while they're getting all their paperwork and shit done. Yeah. Yeah. They, they book you like an actual limit. You do the entire process. Wow. And some people break in there. They just get the pressure. They're like, you know, they tell themselves things but like you have to like somebody's looking at me like they're on to me.

2:04:23They already know I'm a fake. I mean, think if, if these prisoners find out you're a fake, they're going to murder you. Because you know all their secrets. Especially when you're sleeping. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sleeper on that. Yeah. That's where like your way of sleeping would like really come in hand. Oh, bro. I'm my, you're my run shit. You're my run shit. You have all that time to think. I got to figure out who's going to be my boyfriend. But I'm up all night. You figure it out. I was well cash in. You figure it out man. You start a cult in prison. Has anybody not done that yet? I bet they have. Had to.

2:04:52Had to. Had to. That's also one of the scariest places to investigate a prison. Well, there's a lot of con men. They go to jail. And if you're a con man like a Manson, like you let that kind of general population start like God. Yeah. You want to come black for himself. No, Apple TV. No, no. No, it's very good. It's about based on true story. It's a dude like almost like you're describing. He's a badass hustler. Can run shit really fast. They find out about it. Like, hey, we'll give you a chance to get out of here. He's like 10 years plus 15 years maybe for drugs and stuff. He has to go get a serial killer to confess where the bodies are hidden.

2:05:25And then they can't get anybody to break this guy. And it's just about that. Like that's what the episodes are about. Oh, who's in that? It's really good. I have a Terran Edgerton. Edgerton. Oh, he's really good. And then the guy who played like Richard Jewel in the Richard Jewel. Oh. And he's the little boy. That guy is great. Who is that guy? I don't know the name of the top half of my house. I find it. Give that guy his proper. He's really good in it too. Some people are just really good talkers. Yeah. They can talk to yourself in or out of anything. Scary, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Into anything around any group.

2:06:01And can tell a check a checkable lie. Yeah. And just can commit so hard to it. Yeah. Paul Walter Howzer is the actor's name. Hmm. What's it called again? Blackbird. It was called Blackbird. I'm not. Well, when I get to watch a TV show again. Oh, you say you don't watch TV, sorry. There's the, yeah, this is him getting arrested. It gets the Jamie Cyril of approval. Yeah, and then this guy's just like a crazy. I forget exactly the, I don't know if it's like a shelter or whatever, but they think he's got bodies buried somewhere. This guy's, it's really good. And this guy has to get close to him. Yeah.

2:06:35Wow. The approach is about it. That's the scary shit, right? Like the guy in Long Island. The wife had no idea. He's out there killing prostitutes for several decades. Oh, dude. The Cyril killer stuff is so fascinating. So fascinating. And how you can just live your life normally. And they get away with it. Some of them like the zodiac killer. They never caught that guy. Got away with it. Man. I thought they caught him. He's still out there. I believe they never found him. I believe they never caught the zodiac killer. I'm pretty sure. I'm fascinated by John Wayne and Gacy's stuff. It's fascinating.

2:07:10It's because it's such an insane level of psychosis. Trusting up like a clown. It's so terrifying. Yeah. Just burying him under the house. Never caught the zodiac killer. Yeah. The official investigation remains open. Public interests has remained high. Countless theories have gained traction over the years. Pointing a finger at various men who share physical markers or specific interests with the famed killer. They did crack the code though, but I did. They did. I don't think they know who he is. AI was like, I could get that queer. That's what I thought it was. I don't know if it takes so much time for you, dummy.

2:07:46Yeah, they call it as it say. It's been reportedly revealed. Oh, no. Let's see what it says here. DNA points to an air force vatua in accordance to independent investigation agency. Their information is solid. DNA evidence. Interesting. Is the guy still alive or is he dead? Huh? Inaccurate. Is that tweet inaccurate? I don't know. What is the community notes on the tweets as an accurate? We click on those. What does it say? Code break. Okay. It says misleading tweet title inaccurate attached article states the FBI denies cases closed. Article states author has cited a whistleblower not FBI identification.

2:08:29Read tweets linked article. Also case breakers group making claims not FBI. Okay. So it's not that the FBI said that this case is closed. So it's a theory. Didn't they catch Richard Ramirez from his shoes? They think. Yeah, I think they found his shoe print. You know what's most fucked up about guys like that? They go to jail and the women want to marry him. Why is that? I think it's some ancient primal instinct that some women have to be killed. They're connected to killers. What? Yeah. Like they see it as a power? I mean, there's probably like legitimate psychologists like Jordan Peterson can answer this much more accurately.

2:09:12But I want to imagine there's something because it's such a forbidden thing to do to kill people. Someone just kills people all the time. There's probably some bizarre attraction that some mentally ill people have to someone like that. It's probably based on DNA. Because if you wanted your children to survive, you would better off, you'd be better off, you know, back in the barbarian days, with a slaughterer, not a slaughterer. Yeah. Right? That's the guy you want. It's a level of unhealthy alpha. Long as he doesn't kill you. Yeah. You fuck him and he kills everybody else. And then they might even see romance in that.

2:09:50Yeah. He chooses the killer. Everybody else. Not me. Vampires. That's the thing about vampires. Women like the whole twilight thing. No. As long as he doesn't kill me. You know, he's like, and he's out there eating sucking deer's drives. He doesn't want to kill people anymore. Do you believe in vampires? Well, I think scientifically they believe that if vampires existed, there would be no more humans. Because it would just be a matter of time. Of eating? They would get us all and then turn us all into vampires. And then just the amount of people that would get turned into vampires, it would be an epidemic.

2:10:24You wouldn't be able to stop it. If they were superhuman and their powers and all that stuff, they would just overrun us. I guess that's that. They would just overrun us. Unless they would, unless they also would recognize that they would run out of a food supply. Well, then what are they going to do? It's just survive. Just to survive. They have to keep eating people. And they keep eating either they kill the people or they turn the people into vampires. So it's like depending on which lore. You know, which, which lore are you going by? Are you going by the one where they kill all the people?

2:10:52Or are you going by the one where they drain the blood of the ones they love? And then they let them turn to vampires because it's romantic. But I mean, people definitely do drink blood. It happens all that. Like those are real rituals that happen in Europe all the time. It's real, so dark. Blood, ritual shit. Yeah. For sure. That's real. But then there's like, you know, how much of it is just what people are scared of. They're scared of, you know, a thing like that. I mean, maybe it represents psychopaths to them because the original Dracula was based on the Valorant. Yeah. I think Vlad Tepez was his name.

2:11:28And this was a guy who literally impaled people on stakes and sat down and ate his lunch in front of him. And Santa Vic. And there was a woman who did bathe in the blood of children. That's a tricky one too. That's Elizabeth Bathory. Yeah. Clinical vampirism. But it what, but I don't think that was to do with vampirism. I think it was more, I think she just believed the blood kept her youthful, I suppose. Well, we'll get into that in a second. We'll look at this clinical vampirism more commonly known as Renfield syndrome. Like that. It's an obsession with drinking blood. The earliest presentation of clinical vampirism in psychiatric literature was a psychoanalytic interpretation of two cases.

2:12:10Contributed by Richard L. Vandenberg and John F. Kelly, the authors point out over 50 ,000 people addicted to drinking blood have appeared in the psychiatric literature from 1892 to 2010. 50 ,000 people. This was documented in the work of Austrian forensic psychiatrist Richard Vaughn Kraft Ibyg. Ibyg. I don't think they own it. Many medical publications concerning clinical vampirism can be found in the literature of forensic psychiatry with the behavior being reported as an aspect of extraordinary violent crimes. Jesus. Jesus. Yeah. So it's a real psychological disorder. Yeah. At least 50 ,000 people in the past 150 years.

2:12:57So the Elizabeth Bathory thing is an interesting one. Because the story is that Elizabeth Bathory was this woman and she was beautiful when she was younger. But as she started growing older, she started murdering young maidens and bathing in their blood. She was this evil psychotic serial killer. And that'd be a good movie. That's a good story. But there's also a counter story to that. What they were trying to do was accuse her of this so they could take her land. Because she was in control of this very coveted kingdom. And they essentially put her in house arrest. Because she was a royal, even though she was a serial killer supposedly.

2:13:39But there seems to be some possibility that there might be fuckery. See if you could find that. See if you could find that. I just read that recently. Because we talked about that on the podcast. Then somebody, I forget who it was, brought it up to me. Like that might not have been what actually control farm. Her brutality has been questioned by historians. Several historians have argued that far from being a cruel and barbaric killer, Bathory wasn't a fact merely a victim of a conspiracy. The Hungarian professor, try that one. Lazlo Nagy claimed the accusations and proceedings against Bathory were politically motivated due to her extensive wealth and ownership of large lands and Hungary.

2:14:23It is possible that Bathory's wealth and power made her a perceived threat to the leaders of Hungary whose political landscape was overrun with major rivalries at the time. Bathory appeared to have subordered her nephew, Gabor Bathory, ruler of Transylvania. And rivaled to Hungary. It was not uncommon to accuse a wealthy widow or murder, or murder, which craft, I think it's a mistake, of murder, witchcraft, or sexual misconduct to seize their lands. That makes sense. That is crazy. So the official story was that she was a serial killer. And that's, you know, she was doing that to try to stay young.

2:15:02But if you wanted to lock somebody up, like that would be the way to do it. So she's a fucking serial killer. Highest number of victims was 650. Oh my God. Of course, the Guinness Book World's Records. Bathory is the most prolific female murderer and the most prolific murderer of the Western world. This is despite the precise number of her victims remaining unknown and debated. Upon collecting testimony from 300 witnesses, Thurzo determined that Bathory had tortured and killed more than 600 victims. The highest number cited was 650. However, this number came from a claim by a servant girl that Bathory's court official had seen the figure in one of her private books.

2:15:43The book never came to light. Bathory's victims were said to have been hidden a variety of places, but the most common method was to have the body secretly buried in the church graveyards at night. So this was a servant girl that claimed that she saw a book that said that she had killed 600 people. That's the sure right that I guess. Yeah. She's like writing down in their blood. 411. Imagine being such a psycho that you've documented all the people that you killed in bathing their blood. Imagine how many people have done that.

2:16:23I think they all keep little... Oh, definitely. Definitely. How has there been a serial killer for a while? There's a lot of them active right now in the country. Really? Yeah, there's always active serial killers. How do you just never hear about it? Some of them try it for a little while and then stop. Try it for a little while. Yeah, for real. Like it's tobacco. But they could. They could just try it for a while if they get away with it. It's not anal, don't they? You can't dabble and murder. There's a lot of broken people out there that I think right now probably dabble and murder. That's terrifying.

2:16:58It is terrifying. And it's probably in other parts of the world even more common. You know what? That's actually what? It's a weird association that I have with scary movies. Murderer or scary movies? Never scare me because I know what happens in the world every day. Ghost demon monsters that scares me. Ghost? Because it's up to your imagination. Monsters. Yeah. Yeah, those are the scariest I guess. Well, the scaris are, apparently. Because it's, yeah, fear of being alone. Like, alien one movie. Oh my god. Alien one was like, that to me is the scary scary movie ever. What's it? That movie is terrifying.

2:17:31Is it close encounters of the fourth kind that takes place in Alaska? Well, they combine the actual footage of the woman's real therapy sessions and stuff. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe you don't know. Close encounters of the fourth kind? It's third or fourth kind. Which one is the original movie? Third kind. So this one's fourth kind. I'm almost, I almost are probably wrong. I've never heard of it. It's a really good movie. There's a woman up in, I want to say, I want to say Juno? Or no, no, no, no. What's the gnome? Nome? Alaska. And back in the day, she was, she became famous because she claimed aliens were basically like showing up and abducting her and stuff, right?

2:18:06And eventually her kid got abducted by aliens. Or so that's the case. And they accused her of like killing the kid or whatever. Maybe, like obviously nobody believes that this woman's son was abducted or daughter was abducted by aliens. So it's not currently available in our country. It's like in Canada. It's like it's showing up weird. You can only get in Canada? I don't know. What? It's strange. Interesting. But they have, so it's a movie about this case, but they splice in real footage of her therapy sessions. She had to go to, that she was going to while she was being abducted each night. And they like, they do this, I don't really know how to describe it.

2:18:47This deep, meditative state that makes you recall your dreams. And she's like describing all the things that were happening to her, these aliens. And she starts screaming. She starts like levitating up from like, how it's a little bit. Like it's like, it's creepy as shit. It's a really good movie. It's my favorite abduction movie I've ever seen. And obviously nobody believes there. She runs into the one person. Oh yeah, like the old footage is like the real footage. Wow. So here's my issue with the alien abduction thing. Other than there's not like any real solid evidence that you can point to that's very convincing.

2:19:25It always happens at night. And it always happens during periods where people sleep. And when you're sleeping, I'm not saying always, okay, I'm sure there's some stories out there, I'm sorry. But most of the stories I've ever heard are people in their bed, they can't move, aliens abduct them. Or they're in a car, the car stops, they wake up, aliens abducted them. When you go to sleep and you dream, there are psychedelic chemicals that your brain makes. And we don't know how much they're making. We don't know what effect that's having on your dreams. We don't know what is going on. What is going on with dreams?

2:20:04What is going on with vivid dreams? What is going on with dreams that are indesernable for real life? And sometimes in a strange way. Like what is that? Is that a psychedelic state your brain goes into every night? Yeah. And if chemicals vary in human beings, serotonin varies, dopamine varies, everything varies, testosterone varies, estrogen varies, it varies. We need to just assume those psychedelic chemicals would vary. And we wouldn't need to just assume that sometimes maybe even people are in very agitated, anxiety -ridden states, high cortisol levels, perhaps maybe those chemicals are coming out in an abundance too.

2:20:49Now, if you're lying in bed and you're having an insanely vivid and terrifying interaction with aliens every night. Because your brain is just dumping psychedelics into you. And this is your big fear. So you're going to get abducted by aliens again. And then they are getting over your bed and they're reaching for you in the morning. Constant paranoia. And then here's the mind -fuck of all mind -fucks. Maybe psychedelics are a gateway to some other reality, some other dimension that's accessible by these creatures. I like this. And that when you are getting abducted, you really aren't getting abducted.

2:21:35Like whatever your being is or your spirit or whatever is you is getting, you're interacting with these things. And it feels real because it is real. And because we're thinking about the ability to come in contact with other life forms as being a physical thing. It might be that there's a chemical gateway in your mind. That when breached, you enter into a dimension where physical bodies don't exist anymore. And everything moves in this constant soup of geometric patterns. And that whatever your consciousness is, whatever your soul is, is decoupled from the body and thrown into this realm. I imagine that's probably what happens at death.

2:22:22It probably is what happens at death. That's probably why people think about it that way. That you're going to transcend into heaven. You're going to go into this new place. It might be true. A lot of the old depictions of what happens when you enter into a psychedelic state. I've heard this multiple times that it's like a well of souls. That you're interacting with souls that are completely unattached to a physical presence. And maybe you're getting layers and layers of that depending upon how fucked up you are where you're sleeping. And maybe some of those layers are boom, aliens in the room with healed back.

2:23:11Just aliens in the room with you. And maybe they can do that. Maybe they can visit you while you're in those states. Maybe that's what's happening too. I mean, we're just assuming. Like before anybody invented a cell phone camera. Like if you tried to show that to someone from 1700, they'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like what is this? Yeah. The idea of transforming or rather traveling through another dimension, even in a non -physical sense, even in like a hologram sense, and existing in a space that's completely different from the dimension that you exist in. Yeah. Like that might be a thousand years from now, normal shit, like a cell phone picture.

2:23:57Yeah. Yeah, it's just without, it's just above our understanding for now. It could be. So it could be, that makes total sense to me. Because it's like, what the fuck, what the fuck is Wi -Fi? You know what I mean? You can't see it. It's not a physical thing you can see. Exactly. What the fuck is Wi -Fi? Yeah. What's happening over there? What do you mean a text goes from my phone to your phone? What the fuck does that mean? There's no wires. What are you talking about? Yeah, so that makes total sense. It's not just a text, but a video. You could send a video to your friend that lives in China.

2:24:23And it's the exact same quality as all of your own eyes. They might never be there. Yeah, maybe not China. Okay. Japan. If you made a TikTok. Okay. Yeah. You could send it to Japan. You could send it to Germany. You could send, you have a friend in Germany. Yeah. You could send that person a video and they will get it. And they will get it and they will open up that video and they will watch it. How? Like through space. A non -physical transfer. It's wild. You watch sporting events on your phone. Yeah. When real time events. In real time. We live in the future. Yeah. We just don't live in the future where you can travel from one dimension to another.

2:25:01Yeah. And exist in this other dimension as long as this person is in a certain psychedelic state. Yeah. It's totally believable. Yeah. And honestly, I hope there's some truth for that. It's scary to think about. But that gives a little bit of comfort to have just some kind of answer. I think the worst thing that would happen if you died is if you stay totally conscious. Imagine your body. You leave your body. You have no work to control. You're just in the woods. Yeah. You still have a consciousness in just, but when people close your eyes, you're just in darkness for the rest of eternity. Hmm.

2:25:36But, okay, hear me out. Super high conversation. Now you're conscious in all black, right? But because you have power over your consciousness, you can create. So what do you do? You create some kind of reality. Now you're God of your own consciousness and you create beings within that. You get so kooky that you make your own reality. Yeah. Because what else is there to do besides create something in your consciousness? You can't move. You have no life anymore. It's just torture. Yeah, that would be the most terrifying thing. Yeah. Imagine what if God's there. What if God knows you're there. What if God is exactly that?

2:26:13I think God is the whole universe. Has to be. That's what I think. I think this idea that God made the universe, I think God is the universe. Hmm. I think that makes more sense. That this whole thing is just whoa. The whole thing is just this infinite. Infinite creation machine that creates galaxies. Solar system. Stars. Everything to micro organisms. Yeah, that it's all by this strange mathematical process that exists where everything gets more and more complex. Everything from the beginning to now and then the humans and whatever's past humans. They're just constantly making things more complicated and more advanced.

2:26:58Even like, you know, the way planets form and life grows on them. And then that life figures out gunpowder. You know, like all that stuff is wild. It's wild because it seems to be like it all is moving in this very specific way. It's like even in evolution. Animals don't make it. It's like your design sucks. Yeah. You need design now. This one's better. Yeah. Like, you guys ground nest. There's cats around here. This isn't going to work out. Up in the trees. Yeah. It's a kind of weird to think that, well, here's one of the weird ones, right? Like, people don't ever want to believe in anything other than scientific facts.

2:27:40Right? And when you're examining the universe, we base it on the information that we can currently get from the web telescope and from space exploration and all the stuff that we've done. So we have this understanding of the universe, but it all relies on a miracle. It really does. Yeah. Because it relies on this fucking one moment where for some reason something smaller than the head of a pin became everything you've seen the sky. Yeah. But it's all based on odds. But it's almost like to throw in your face. Like, the more you figure out about everything. The more you figure out everything about the vastness of the universe, black holes and what is inside of them.

2:28:28Like, what is there something in there? Is that a portal to another universe? It has to be. It might be. I think that's the only thing it can be to me. But the more you think about the complexity of all it and that it all emerged from this teeny tiny little, and what was before that teeny tiny little thing? What was the teeny tiny thing? What was that form of this universe? Exactly. And where was it? It's almost like, if it wasn't in space, it itself is space. Where the fuck was it? It's almost like as intelligent as people get, as they get more and more advanced, more and more knowledge, they have to kind of always admit they don't know shit.

2:29:07Because there's no way you know what happened. You can't know. It doesn't make any sense. No one has ever come up with any fucking reasoning that makes any sense while this, why this one thing would be smaller than the head of a pin and then become this infinite expansion that we see in front of us. Yeah, what? What happened? This theory is, there's some brilliant theories. There's theories that it's an ever -ending process of constant expansion and compression, which is really terrifying. It just, it continues to expand. What's really terrifying is that the whole universe is eventually going to go back to that fucking pin.

2:29:42No, it's not. Why would that happen? I don't know. No, you know. What made it in the first place? We're too stupid to be talking about the universe. I know. But is it, I mean, if that, I know that that is a theory. There's also a theory that different universes collide with each other and that they're like membranes and they collide with each other and that could be what's creating big bangs. That would make the most amount of sense for a reaction of that size. Dude, it's all scary. It's so big. We just look at it like numbers. Oh, 13 trillion and we had a Brian Keating on. It was explaining that these people that are saying that the universe is not 13 .7 billion.

2:30:19That it might be 26 billion. He said that's really based on the development of these galaxies that exist and it's not definitive proof that the universe is that old. But even like 13 billion, what are you saying? I know there's science behind it, but yeah, what? Also, how do you fucking know, man? How do you calculate that? How do you know? How can you know? Geniuses. It's amazing. It's amazing just to think of how much we do know and then how much we don't. It's so bonnannos. Is it wildly unprofessional if I have the piece so bad right now? No, we could rub this bitch up too. Okay, whatever. There's a lot of fun, man.

2:30:57Dude, this was so much fun. I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for being here. Give everybody your social media where they could find you. Everything is just Matt Rife, M -A -T -T -T, R -I -F -E website, MattRifeOfficial .com. We're going to add some tour dates at the end of this year for top of next year. So everything's so hot right now. I'm right in the pan. You do a little plug. I have to do a little plug. It's a little hot. So yeah, it was fun talking to you, my friend. Likewise, man. I'll have some fun tonight. I would love that. Okay, thank you. Bye, everybody.