#2037 - Alex Berenson

41:15I didn't say it was made in a lab. I said it came out of a lab. Yes. And it did. Okay. So what seems like the people in the lab were patients zero, right? They were they were fucking around with the coronavirus. They were trying to make it more dangerous or trying to make vaccine a pan coronavirus vaccine. And they didn't they, you know, somebody slipped or somebody accidentally injected a ferret when they were supposed to inject a mouse and it all started there. Most likely. Yes. Most likely. Yeah. It's just that's weird how little outrage there is about that. Yes. But by the way, if it came out of a of a cave, it came out of a cave when some idiot who shouldn't have been in the cave was poking around swabbling a baths asshole to try to like find a virus.

42:05So either way, it's the fault of our effort. We did this. Okay. Is there any benefit from that kind of research? No, it should all be stopped. Period. Did they just do it because that's what they do? Yes. Just like we do research. And I want to do research on coronaviruses and how to make it more infectious. Yes. It should always stop. It's useless. Okay. You want the proof that it's useless? Did you hear anybody predict this was going to happen before it happened? They spent 10 years trying to figure out what was going to happen. But it's already benefit in understanding those things so that they can develop drugs to combat them.

42:39Probably no. And also there's a problem with that because you literally have a thing where you have a cure for a thing. And if that thing gets out, then you can sell that cure. If you're Dr. Evil, you're going to fucking open the hatch. That's right. No, nobody would ever do that. You would hope. But there's been people in the world that have done some horrible. Like we know Hitler was a real guy. We know that was like that. Never happened again. Are you fucking sure? Are you totally sure? There's been genocide since them seem like the only way this boy. I mean, we have to figure out a way to catch up to our abilities.

43:25Like catch up as a species. I don't know how. I mean, so the last we have the ability to like affect so many people in negative ways with like with whatever it's drugs and all sorts of things that we do. So, you know, so I have you. Did you see Oppenheimer movie? I haven't seen you. So it's pretty great. Okay. And and and so I read the book. It's based on which also pretty amazing. Okay. That was a case. You know, those guys unbelievable. They just like they they looked inside the atom with their minds. Right. It's unbelievable. They figured out how this works. And then they took metal and they made the sun.

44:03Okay. They made an explosion like the sun. They figured it out in a matter of years. It was so scary to people. The threat that nuclear weapons pose that we actually kind of got it under control. We never used them again after 1945, which is really astonishing. It's pretty amazing. So it's time. So so so when when the threat is obvious enough that like you can eliminate a city in seconds. Our little lizard brains. We figure something out. The problem is with with these viruses. It's a little more marginal. It's not as obvious. And so we have these people. Just continuing to mess around with them.

44:37I hate to take you off track. But when the nuclear bombs were first detonated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And I think with some of the tests too. Right after that is when people started seeing a lot of UFOs. That's like the folklore behind UFOs. They all started coming after 47. Huh. Yeah. It did not know that. Yeah. So I would ask you what the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on? When you see all this UAP stuff and all these people that are whistleblowers and they're talking about crashed retrieval programs where they could recover crashed UFOs and back engine near them. Like what's going on?

45:14I'm not a believer in this. And let me tell you what please. Okay. You are an alien. Okay. You're super hyper advanced technology. You can you can go faster than speed of light. You can get to earth. You can figure out that this one little planet has other human beings or has other you know life forms on it that you want to go see. Okay. Right. You do that. Then you crash your stupid UFO. You go into the desert. Okay. I have a problem with that. One more point on this. Okay. What happened with the Titan submersible. Okay. That thing went down and basically they knew. Right. Within hours that it was blown up.

45:48Okay. They still were human beings. We try to rescue other human beings. Okay. The aliens are going to try to rescue other aliens. If there's been a crash. They're not going to try to come get them. Well, you tell me you tell me why it's always in the desert in Arizona. They never show up the white house. They never show up in Times Square. Why? There have been places where large groups of people seen it and there was a place in Brazil, Varginia Brazil. And there's a very interesting documentary about it called Moment of Contact. And there was a crash. There was a crazy lighting storm. And there was a crash.

46:26And they claim that there was actual live beings. And one of these guys took one of these beings to a hospital. They refused that brought to another hospital. I think they want to bring you to a third hospital. The guy who is carrying this alien supposedly. But this is a fact. This guy died of some incurable bacterial disease that they had no hope of fixing. Like it just overcame his body and he was dead very quickly. He was a young guy. I think he's dead in less than two weeks. And they were tripping that. They him carrying this fucking alien. So whatever the what happened the body, the alien body.

47:00I don't know. They say that the United States Air Force flew a jet. And this is in the documentary. They said that flew a jet to Varginia Brazil to recover whatever this thing was. Because they have a car you know recover retrieval program. Who the fuck knows man. I every time I even say it. I sound so dumb. I listen to stuff like you believe this. Do you believe this? But I do think we just crashed in F 35. That's true. There's a guy had a fucking eject out of his jet. And they're like, Hey, if anybody sees one of our $800 million dollar jets, call this hotline. But this is what I'm saying. Like that's us.

47:39And that's the pinnacle of like modern technology. Maybe if you just have there, it's saucers over Washington DC. What year was that? Jim 52. 52. Yeah, it was a newspaper article where they had they apparently they shot out. Photographed. Yeah, someone tried to shoot it one. But what does that mean? What does that mean? And you know, when when someone tells a story like that, you know, maybe they did see something. I mean, how much of it do they remember? How much of the embellished? So I were there at the time. But there are fighter jets. Fighter jets that have encountered them. I believe those guys sober, sober like American hero.

48:16Yes, like David Fraver. Yes. That story is insane. But I tend to think more than ever that it's a drone and that there's some sort of a drone program that they've kept secret. That is that I believe powerful. That I believe. And if I had a drone program that can do wild shit. Like go hypersonic speeds and hover dead still in midair and operated without any visible method of propulsion. I would start talking about aliens too. I'd be like, dude, they're here. We don't even know what they are. They're off -road vehicles. Like or excuse me, off -world vehicles. So we and then people would go, oh, yeah, aliens are here.

48:57But meanwhile, what it is is we have super sophisticated tech that your tax dollars have paid for without you having any idea it exists for your own protection. So you don't believe in aliens. I do and I don't. Well, I do in, you know, of course, it's the Fermi paradox. Like if they're out there, where are they? How can we have seen them? But how much can we look? That's like a guy poking his head out of a tent going. I don't see any bear. I don't have fucking much do you look at? That's true. How much are you really paying attention? There's a hundred billion stars in this galaxy alone. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe.

49:28Like what are you talking about? Like where have we looked? I'm not saying they're not out there. I'm just saying they're not interested in us. Why? Most certainly think they would be interested in us. And most certainly we like, we like, who are these fucking idiots? Right. Well, the same way we go to the Congo and film for Chimp Empire. It's really not that much different. The same way we go to butterfly habitats and study butterflies. Like human beings are fascinated by some of the most primitive of creatures. Yes. A long thought instinct fox becomes a major news story amongst academics. When people can go and travel to exotic places, especially biologists, and study these animals, you know, like you've read Sapolsky's work with the baboons.

50:12Oh. Fascinating stuff. Sapolsky who's from Stanford, right? Any Stanford? Just brilliant guy who's done all this crazy work about toxoplasmosis. You wear that? Toxoplasmosis is nuts. It's one of the reasons why they tell women to not handle kitty litter. Toxoplasmosis is a cat parasite that grows in a cat's gut. And when it gets on rats, it rewires the rat's sexual reward system and make the rats sexually attracted to cat urine. And it removes their fear of cats so that the cats devour the rats because the only way that that parasite can reproduce is inside a cat's gut. So the parasite reproduces inside the cat's gut comes out and cats shit.

51:04And then people get it from cats shit. You might get it from an open wound. You might get it from handling it. But when people get it, it makes them more reckless. He said there's a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims, crash victims that are toxoplasmosis infected. And one point time France was like 50 % of the people had toxoplasmosis. And that wild, and it changes behavior, it affects behavior. Okay. I did not know anything. And it's a fucking parasite that like half a population of a country had. It's a conferral cat. I'm not a real cat. That's right. It's not my work. So point is we study all kinds of shit, weird parasites and fucking monkeys and giraffes and everything.

51:53There it is. Toxoplasmosis considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States. More than 40 million men, women and children in the US carry the toxoplasm of parasite. But very few have symptoms because immune system usually keeps the parasite from causing illnesses. It is like if you have HIV late stage or something you winds up killing interest. Interesting. Right. It's a very bizarre parasite. But we study fucking penguins, man. We'll go see how it looks the same. The march of the penguins is, you know, people study them. They love to watch organisms.

52:26Do you don't think they'd want to watch us? Yeah, but ultimately we mess around with those penguins. The aliens would mess around with us. I think they might be. I think they might have made us. They might have made us. We might really be a biology project. And that's not a joke. If you think about the, there's weird thing with primates in us. We're so far past them. Yes. We are so in another dimension of reality. Yes. With communication with our ability to create technology and alter the world.

53:01We're in a big, it's a huge issue. It's a big issue. We're in a big, it's a huge issue. We're in a big place. We're in a big area. The biggest mystery of the human brain size, the biggest mystery and entire, entire biological record had that happen. Over two million years, human brain size doubles, people start walking upright, talking to each other. What happened? And if I was an asshole from and they breed it with a Chihuahua, because they're a dick. You want to see what it looks like? I wonder if they would do that to us. I wonder if they'd come and they'd say, you know what we could do? I just add a little of this to these things.

53:37These crazy shit throwing wild primes. Yeah, just give them a taste of alien DNA. Alter some stuff here and there. You know, just see how it works. Do a couple different versions of it, do you know? Do you know what I'm getting from this conversation? Joe Rogan. What? The COVID is definitely over. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's here. Take care of yourself and it's a cold. Nobody wants to say that. It's like it's just like this for voting thing. Yeah. Come on, kids. Let's be real about it. Let's be real about it now. Yes. You know, and if you, that Kathy Holtchel thing, which she was on TV saying, you know, you have to get this is a new vaccine.

54:18The old one's not going to work for it. Like, she's always saying what the CDC just said, it's crazy. Okay. So COVID is over. Okay. But here's what I'm telling you. And I'm like, I guess I'm going to be stuck beating this drum for, I don't know how long. We do not know what the long term effects of the mRNA vaccines are. And it is, it is, I would go beyond borderline. I would say it is immoral and unethical to keep using those right now. Okay. There are, if you're going to insist on giving people COVID vaccines, there are simpler, cheaper ones that don't have this question about what they do long term.

54:54The mRNAs, at this point to me, they're a failed product and they basically should be withdrawn. It will never happen. There's far, far too much at stake for both the pharmaceutical industry and public health and the Democratic Party and the media to even consider allowing that to happen. But the promise, Joe, the promise two and a half years ago was these vaccines are new. They are going to revolutionize the treatment of respiratory viruses. They're going to eliminate COVID. Don't let them tell you that's not what they said because it is what they said. Okay. Not, there may be some symptom reduction.

55:30It may reduce cases of serious illness. No, it was, these are so effective, we're going to get the herd immunity with them and COVID is not going to be a problem ever again. That was total horseshit and we can't let them forget it. Yeah. And I know, I know this is boring. I know there's only like a few people who care, but it's so important. No, I think a lot of people care. I don't think it's a few people. It's just uncomfortable. All these things are so uncomfortable. You know, it's the reality that people would sell things that don't work just to make money and they could put you at risk. But it's like if they can, they will.

56:06And if they have it for sale, it's like we're going to get this stuff off the shelves. Come on, we've been developing this. We developed this thing for the variants. Look, so this is a number I'm talking about. Didn't they just test it on 10 mice? Yes. Pfizer literally 10 mice. Yes, not a joke. There were five billion doses so far of the mRNAs made. Okay, about a hundred billion dollars sold by Pfizer. No, a little bit more, a hundred and 10, a hundred and twenty billion dollars sold by Pfizer and Moderna combined. Okay, my best estimate, and I haven't been able to lock it down because the numbers are really hard to find.

56:44Two billion of those five billion doses were thrown away, unused. The companies made some of between 40, 50 billion dollars on vaccine that just got tossed. Thrown, it was a pure gift to the companies. 40 billion dollars. Wow. Now that even by, even by American pharmaceutical standards, that's a lot of money. It's a lot of money to waste. Yeah, cheese. Because nobody wanted them. They made Pfizer made 75 billion in 2021 and 2022, Moderna made close to 40. They made some more this year and had as much. Yeah, it's a lot of money. Wow. Yeah, it's hard to turn that's big it off. That's good. And it's hard to tell the truth when there's that much money.

57:32Well, can you though, if you've put something out and you, like again, we're bringing this back to the obligation to your shareholders and how to run a corporation first is like, what's the right thing to do, right? If you have something and you haven't been called out for it, and there seems to be like enough gaslight and going on in the media that it sort of obscures the reality of it, you're supposed to keep selling it. I mean, if that's what your company does, right? I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying like, if you don't know, there's a problem, then you don't know there's a problem. And if you don't look to find the problem, then you don't know.

58:13Right. So you don't look. That's the game. Boy, I wish that wasn't the game. I wish the game was we want to make medicine to make you feel better. And if that medicine doesn't work, we try to come up with a new one. Sorry. That's right. No, that's not the game. It just isn't it sort of just the amount of money involved in developing one of those things, the incentives to pass it through, regardless of whether or not it's effective are so strong. Yes. Because you're so in the fucking red before you could get out of the gate. Yeah. Before you get out of the gate, you're into this thing, a billion dollars or whatever.

58:48That's right. And the flip side of that is it's so profitable on a per unit basis because it takes a few cents to make. And then you could sell it for, you know, five dollars or $50 or $500. So the per unit profit, once you get, once you earn your nut back, yeah, is phenomenal. Phenomenal. You know, so, you know, I'm suing the government, right? I'm suing, I'm suing how many people say that to you all casual? You know, I'm suing the government. I'm suing the government. Oh, that's cool. But I'm also suing the chief executive of Pfizer and one of the board members of Pfizer on the same suit. So they've, they've responded with, and they've, you know, it's called emotion to dismiss.

59:25They want the lawsuit gone. Okay. One of the things they say in the lawsuit is that I have been fundraising and I have a sub stack and I've been merchandising, which I haven't been merchandising. This shirt is, is my own printed, Borla is the CEO of Pfizer. Fauci, we all know, got leave is on the Pfizer board and slab it. Is it somebody else I'm suing? You have a t -shirt on like you're a YouTube streamer. I do. I do. I do. I watch people's names on it. For clicks. But, but so, so, so Pfizer's lawyers have said, or the, or, or Borla's lawyers, Albert Borla, the CEO of, of Pfizer. As I like to call him, the world's favorite veterinarian, because he's not a doctor, he's a, he's a doctor of veterinarian medicine, which is fine.

1:00:08We need those, but yeah, absolutely, but, but you know what? He sort of treated the world like livestock, but, but, Borla is trying to get this lawsuit dismissed and he's saying, Berencins making all this money, listen buddy, your company made $70 billion selling the vaccines and you personally had your salary double from 18 million to 33 million, almost double from 2020 to 2022. So don't call me the grifter, my friend, when you're the one who's made more money than anyone can imagine on these vaccines. Well, he's calling you a grifter because you're making money from what substance? Because I have a subset and because I've raised money to see.

1:00:48But you write about other things in the sub -stack, you write about many things. I do, but no, no, I mean, you would say I read a lot about, or I would, you know, I write a lot about the COVID in the vaccine. Sure. Yeah. But, you know, the whole thing is that, having that as an argument seems kind of crazy. Like it should be based on whether or not he's right. That's right. And also, like, why did you guys get him kicked off Twitter? Like, who did that? And who talked to who? And how did that go down? Well, that's a, you know, so that's what the loss it's about. But I know, I know that this guy, Scott Gottlieb, who's, get this, Joe.

1:01:22Scott Gottlieb, between 2017 and 2019, what's the commissioner of the FDA? He quit the FDA and three months later, exactly three months. The minimum amount of time later, he joined the Pfizer board, where he's a senior board member, where they pay him about $400 ,000 a year. That sounds like a sweet gig. It is a nice gig for a couple of meetings. So, it's good move. So, Scott Gottlieb has earned his paycheck with Pfizer, though, because he, in August of 2021, made a call to a senior lobbyist at Twitter. And within a few hours, I had gotten my fifth strike, and I was kicked off Twitter. That, you kicked off four specifically.

1:02:02I mean, we can find the tweet, but you just tell me. But the exact words were, it doesn't stop infection or transmission. Think of it at best as a therapeutic that needs to be diagnosed in advance of infection and has bad side effects. And we want to mandate it in sanity. That was the entire tweet. Every word of that is true. Let me tell you what was really happening. Okay, we can talk about the vaccines and the approval process and the hype around them and the hope around them in early 2021. And you can make a good case that, hey, there were people just trying to get out of the pandemic. All right.

1:02:41By the summer of 2021, everything changed. Everybody who knew where to look, which was really Israel, could see that the vaccines were not working for very long. That they could. Why was the Israel data was important? We guess first of all, they were first to vaccinate. Small country, they vaccinate almost everybody by the end of January. And were they very open about their data as well? They were. And you can read stories from the spring of 2021, talking about the miracle how COVID went to zero in Israel, basically, because there is this short period of time after those first two doses, when you do actually prevent infection.

1:03:17Okay, I don't think anybody who looks at the data can dispute that. I know there are some people do, but I don't think there's anybody who can really dispute that. Okay, then what happens is your antibodies go away and it comes roaring back. And you also often provoke a new variant, which is what happened in the summer of 2021, the Delta variant, you know, sort of came roaring along. So by July of 2021. Can you explain to people to don't understand how that could be possible? Sure. How does a vaccine promote a variant? So these vaccines specifically, these mRNAs, cause a very focused immune response.

1:03:49And what they do is they make your body make a specific version of the spike protein, which is, you know, the part of the coronavirus that attaches to your cells and gets the virus into your cells. So the idea is your body makes a spike, your body recognizes the spike as an invader, it makes antibodies against the spike. And then if you actually are hit with the coronavirus, if you're infected with it, you've got this great head start where your body's antibodies can attack the coronavirus and keep it from infecting any of your cells, you don't get infected, you beat it. Okay, that's, I mean, that's the basis of the specific theory of the vaccine.

1:04:25Okay. The problem is the virus, quote unquote, knows what's happening. The virus, the virus is gonna mutate. They're just gonna be errors in its genome over time. These RNA viruses are notorious for this. They, when they replicate their, they make mistakes. And some of those mistakes in the genome leave the virus to look a little bit differently, the spike to look a little bit different. And then the antibodies can't attach as well. If you're a virus that's mutated and you have these different antibodies, you have an advantage. The advantage is suddenly you can infect people again. Guess what?

1:05:03That version of the virus is going to take off and accelerate. So that's a very natural process. Here's one thing nobody sort of thinks about, which is we really stop mass vaccinating people in late 2021, early 2022. The rate of variants slowed way down last year and into this year. Omicron came, but since then there hasn't been another major variant class. Is there any dispute in this because there was a conversation that I got in with a friend of mine at the very beginning of the pandemic? And he was trying to tell me that his doctor was telling him that it was the unvaccinated people that were causing variants.

1:05:38No. And I sent him some YouTube videos, some like this is what I've read and what is the name, Geert Vanderbosch? Yes. He's an expert. And what is he, he's an epidemiologist or a figure what he is. He's something to do with vaccines. Yes. But he understands the whole pathway. It's like you never mass vaccinate during a pandemic. Yes. Especially with something that doesn't offer. That's leaky. Yes. Yes. Complete. So I mean, that's why you give people the flu vaccine before flu season. Ideally, you do not mass vaccinate during a pandemic. So, but so in the summer of 2021, everything went to shit from the point of view of the Biden administration and to a lesser extent of the vaccine companies.

1:06:20Okay, the vaccine companies were more aware that this was going to happen. But remember, the Bidenates, and you can find, I can find you a clip of Fauci in May 2021 saying, this is over. Like, I think we can eliminate this. He said that on the record, they were caught with their pants down and their response was twofold. One, we're going to try to get everyone boosted. We're going to try to scare people into getting boosted or encourage people to get boosted, which they knew or should have known was only going to buy them a matter of months. But they didn't care. They just wanted to do something.

1:06:52The other part though was even worse and that was the mandates. Okay, the mandates were unforgivable, unforgivable, constitutionally, unforgivable, medically. And here, this is unfortunately what I've concluded about the mandates. You know what else was happening in August 2021? Afghanistan collapsed. Okay, and I don't know if you remember, but I'm sure you can find it that there's a picture of Joe Biden sitting alone in the situation room, looking at TVs and he looks like he looks completely lost. Okay, we left Afghanistan in July, by August, the Taliban was in Kabul and we were, you know, Marines were getting killed and Afghans were trying to get on airplanes.

1:07:36It was terrible. Okay, here's the thing about the mandates. Let's just pretend the vaccines actually work for a long period of time. Okay, and let's pretend that 90 % of older people hadn't been vaccinated, which they had been. Okay, so let's pretend that there was an actual justification for these mandates. What were they Joe? They were workplace mandates. The government couldn't directly make old people get vaccinated. So they said we're gonna have workplace mandates. Who is in the workforce? Healthy adults under 65. So there was no possibility that the mandates could actually affect the population most at risk from COVID and get them vaccinated.

1:08:22They were designed not to work, but to be something that the president could say he was doing at a time when he looked completely incompetent because of what had happened in Afghanistan. That is my true belief about this. That's it. That's it. You need something that is not that picture. Geez. That was August. Geez. I don't know if that's the case, but I do know that, I mean, if you have a vaccine that protects the people that take it, what is the why you've mandating it for the people that won't be protected? If it does work, you should probably encourage people to take it if it works, but the people that don't take it, hey, let those people get sick if that's what they want to do.

1:09:14Like, is that that's right? And they'll figure it out. Because who are they going to get sick, just other people that have them and vaccinated if it really works? That's right. And then people would eventually catch on, right? And then they would figure it out. Like, you don't have to mandate it. Right. So there was this theory that there was this young people who for whom the vaccine hadn't been approved yet, but that was of course a complete lie because young people are not at high risk from COVID. The only exception to that is there's a small number of people who are seriously immunocompromised.

1:09:39I'm talking about people who have chemotherapy, people who are really sick. And those people don't necessarily have a strong immune response to the vaccine. So you say, you say, okay, our theory is we're going to make everybody get vaccinated to protect those people. Here's the problem with that. That's not how we practice medicine. You don't practice medicine on a group basis. I was talking with my friends the other day about it. I was like, imagine if for some reason, we were actually talking about fluoride in the water, but it's a similar analogy. Imagine if some people were more susceptible to skin cancer so we put sunscreen and apples.

1:10:12That's right. Like people would go, no, I want to fucking just a regular apple. No, no, no, you need this. It's for everyone. We have to protect the other people that are vulnerable. So this is how apples come now because people love apples. Why does he be like, what kind of craziness is this? You guys put medicine in the apples? That's right. I mean, the thing about fluoride in the entering water is it very, very, very. I don't know that there's any risk to it at all, but that's what the standard has to be. But you know that there's associated lower IQs at places that have higher fluoride ratios.

1:10:42That I did not know. Yeah, we found it out the other day. We were trying to figure it out. We're like, why is fluoride in the water? Like I've heard wacky conspiracy theories. Like the wackiest ones is like it's to make people dumber and more doth -style. But what I'm telling you is, you're mandating this, not for the people who are at risk, but for adults in the workplace who are not at risk. What is the logic there? Right. It is just to make that man look like he's doing something. Do you really think that's it? I do because I can't imagine. I think people were so in the throes of that thing.

1:11:16I think people, when COVID was in, it's just full phase. And there was a heightened, it's hard for us to remember because I think it was very traumatic. It's, you know, because when you have a situation, like, you know, it's like people after 9 .11. Their memory is very far. Yeah. Right. COVID is very traumatic in a way that like was a long, slow drip of trauma in a weird way where it gave people a horrible anxiety. There's an invisible thing that's going to kill us all. And you got to stay in your house. You got to take the medicine and get boosted. I don't think people got off that ride, man.

1:11:48No, no, they didn't. And maybe you're right. And maybe I'm giving the White House too much credit. Maybe they're just afraid and stupid. But you go, it was the mindset of the country to do something. And if you got vaccinated, you were a good person. Yes. And if you didn't, you remember like people saying, like you're pointing a loaded gun at someone's head, if you're not vaccinated. Joe, I'm not vaccinated. I mean, not against this. I have no mRNA, no COVID vaccine. I believe me. I remember, find the statement that Biden made is either September 8th or September 9th, 2021, where he said it was a White House.

1:12:21It was when he announced the mandates. He said, we have lost patients with the unvaccinated. And there's one from a, I think that was him taking control. I do, but it's also what you're saying. There was real fear. But I mean, imagine that. Imagine trying to divide the country like that. The wildest one was the White House statement that said the unvaccinated will experience as death of severe illness. A winner of severe illness and death. Yes. Our patients is wearing thin. Yeah, I remember that. We've been patient, but our patients is wearing thin. That's so crazy if it already was proven that it didn't work.

1:12:56People didn't want person get COVID while they were in the test. I mean, more than one. But there definitely, what happened was during the clinical trials, which only lasted a couple of months, that's that period when the vaccines really worked. There is this short period when you have a tremendous number of antibodies and you don't really get sick. And that's what the data showed. But it didn't show anything else. And that's why they have to have long term studies. Long term studies. Yes. But we didn't have the luxury of long term studies. So they seem to have a bunch of different works. Not too.

1:13:37It's just the weird thing was the ignoring of natural immunity. That was very strange. That's another weird one. Not just ignoring, but I had intelligent people that I respect trying to convince me that I should get vaccinated right after I recovered from COVID. And I was like, well, I don't think that's scientific. I think if you read the data, it shows you that you have a much higher level of immunity from recovering from it naturally. That's the data. I'm not, it's not encouraging people to go get COVID. But I'm saying that that was what the data said. So like, and that, well, you get even more protected if you get vaccinated.

1:14:15I'm like, okay, but is that more risks? Like, what is the risk factor now? Like is it because that's what I've heard. There's like an elevated risk factor for adverse side effects if you've just recovered from COVID, is that true? Yes, that is true. There's no reason to be vaccinated. But here's what it really was. They want to meet and join the club. That's right. That's what it was. That's right. I'm in the club. I took the vaccine. Did you take the vaccine? I got the new iPhone. You got the new iPhone. You know, that's right. Team Pfizer, Team Derman.

1:14:49Team Derman. They play this against ourselves and people, they literally enjoyed like chastising people for not following the rules. That's right. And when those rules turned out to not, neither be accurate, scientific, or even beneficial, when those rules turned out to be bullshit and actually detrimental, nobody apologized, nobody cared. That's, yes. And the reason it's worth talking about this now is because of what they did last week. Yeah. So they announced more, they're trying to get everybody to get boosted, six month olds boosted, 12 year olds, 12 year old boys, 20 year old guys who have a risk from myocarditis boosted, it's wrong.

1:15:33And it's not what the rest of the world's doing and they should be ashamed of themselves. What did you tweet? You tweeted something about the numbers. Yes. So what I tweeted, and this one, this is, this really landed. It's gotten 5 million views since last week. It was showing the CDC's own calculations. You'd have to give a million doses to save maybe, maybe one 12 to 17 year old. But when you give those million doses, you have 100 to 200 ,000, not 100 to 200, 100 to 200 ,000 severe side effects that are short term following the vaccination. Plus, and I didn't put this in the slot in it, you have another 50 to 300 cases of myocarditis.

1:16:19So maybe you save one person with those million doses, but your side effects are so much worse and those are gonna include some deaths, okay? They are because myocarditis can kill young people. So what are we doing? The rest of the world, practically Germany, Australia, Britain, most of the world, did not follow this path. It's only basically the United States and a couple other countries like Canada that basically follow our recommendations that follow this path. So this is the slides, but if you go back to the main, yes, this is what it says. This is what it says. So the CDC's own data admits that you get 100 to 200 ,000 severe side effects per 1 million doses.

1:17:07Yeah, so that means, that means like, are they getting that from theirs? Where they are? So they're getting that from the clinical trials that the companies ran. So that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean, like you're in the hospital for a month, what it means is you might have a week of fever or you might have nausea that keeps you from going to school for three days. It's a, but that's, you said severe. Yeah, but those are classified as severe. Because remember, COVID isn't gonna do that to most 12 to 17 year olds, right? It's more severe than the illness itself. So, but the myocarditis aspect of it, those cases can kill.

1:17:45No question about it, not that they frequently do, but they can. So there is zero, putting aside the fact that this is an expensive thing and it's, and you know, when we were trying to mandate it, remember a lot of schools, high schools, colleges, said you had to have this if you were gonna go, putting aside the fact that you're taking away people's autonomy, on a strictly cost -benefit basis, it makes zero sense to try to get kids and young adults and teenagers to take this. And the rest of the world knows it. Why don't we? Isn't it wild that what you said is controversial? Isn't it wild? It's wild.

1:18:22As a sign of the time, what you said was dangerous. Like, oh my God, what is he saying? That's right. Like, people listening to that are branch COVIDians that are all in and still supporting the vaccine. I know it works because I took five and I'm still alive. Like, there's people out there like that, I've read comments. I know, I like that. We know and then I'll dive into someone's COVID debate and read what are the, especially from like the hardcore lefties that are still all in on it. Yep. I'm starting to mask again. Yeah, they're masking, they're doing it in New York City. I'm telling you, but I'll tell you something.

1:18:51So, DeSantis, like who's the only real politician who really understands the math on this and takes it seriously. And Joseph Lidopo, his surgeon general, they came out last week and they said, we don't agree with the CDC recommendations. We think people only people over 65 should get this. Now, that's in keeping with the rest of the world. So, what happened the New York Times and the Washington Post and NBC, all the sort of elite media outlets attacked DeSantis and Lidopo over this. And not one of them said, hey, what DeSantis is saying is what the rest of the world is doing. We're the ones who are the outlets.

1:19:25No, what's wrong DeSantis doesn't agree with the CDC recommendations. He's trying to get people in Florida killed. No, it's a lie. Is that really, did they get that hyperbolic? He's trying to get people in Florida killed. That part, I'm exaggerating. But if that was a real headlight, I'm like, man, that guy really went for it. No, but the headlines were like experts say he may be putting people in Florida at risk. There were stuff like that. Okay. All right. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe not at all. Like, at what point in time do we just look at reality and stop being so fucking tribal? Because if I think if the people that had gotten vaccinated, the people that got talked into it, maybe some of them that regretted it, if they didn't have a stake in the game, then they could just look at this thing for what it is.

1:20:12They would be like, what? Right? As it is now, they'd be like, what are you talking about? But they're already so invested in being team vaccine. Well, it's interesting, team vaccine is also team Ukraine. It's like, it's weird. So I'm one of the few people who actually is not in favor of the mRNAs, but I do support our intervention. I don't know if intervention is the right word. I do support our supporting Ukraine. I know that I'm like the only person. That's a complicated conversation. Yes, it's a very complicated conversation. But just to go back to vaccines, you can't get unvaccinated. So if you take in two or three of these or worse, if you'd had your 15 year old take one or two, you don't wanna think about it anymore.

1:20:50Right. And also you don't wanna feel responsible. So anything that comes, it's confirmation bias, that it can give you some sort of a feeling of peace that you didn't fuck up and give the wrong thing to your kids and take the wrong thing yourself. And anything you can do to comfort yourself, because imagine if you're for your children, you give it to your children. And now so your children has some sort of a heart issue.

1:21:18So people do like to hold onto their beliefs as much as they can, especially when those beliefs are integrated into a tribal ideology, which it was in some strange reason, for some strange reason rather. During the pandemic, being vaccinated and believing the science and trusting the experts, became part of the left's ideology. And anyone else was a moron, a Trump supporter, and you know, take your horse past and die. This is why they don't like you, because you're clearly, you know, not on team Trump. You're not a, you're not a Magga guy. So they can't, they can't, they can't sort of a tar you that way.

1:21:56So you're two, you're, they don't like anybody, they can't categorize. Well, we should all be uncategorizable. We should all, there's a lot of great ideas that come from both sides. It's like the idea that does only two sides is crazy, because there's so much variability. So much variability in the left and variability in the right. Like when you look at like the craziest fucking militia guys on the right, and then you look at the craziest fucking antifa people on the left. Like that's not representative of the right and the left. It's representative of the worst aspects, the furthest out on the edges.

1:22:27But if you are in agreement with anything that the right has to say, whether it's stuff about, you know, regulations, the economy, whatever the fuck it is, you are all the sudden on the side of this goddamn militia. Like how did that happen? Right. You know, you're on team, Michelle Obama's a man. You're on team, you know what I mean? Like you gotta, you gotta go all the way with all this fucking coochiness that's on that side. Like, oh no. I just think that, you know, maybe we should have free speech. Yes. Maybe freedom of speech is actually really important and freedom isn't something that should just be dismissed.

1:23:02It sounds corny and cliche, but freedom is really critical. The older I get, the better I understand the constitution and why we have it and why we need it. Those guys were wizards. Unbelievable. They were so good. The people that wrote the constitution were so good. Like they understood human nature so well. Yes. It's really crazy how they set it up. Because they're like, there's gotta be a way to stop dictators. There's gotta be a way. And they were kind of, they were kind of on it for a while up until like World War II. They did a great job. They did a great job. So people have masked power and then they had the media and newspapers, they had control newspapers and all that.

1:23:40And then it was like, oh boy. Boy is getting slippery. They did a great job of setting it up though. That at least we have things that they don't have in other countries like freedom of speech. Like that first amendment is so fucking polarizing for some strange reason. There's people that have like smart people that have openly said maybe we should amend the first amendment. Yes. So I wrote this in a sub -stack about a month ago. This is very upsetting to me. There was a poll that I think was gallopeded of just a few weeks before that. I think it was June. 70 % of Democrats now essentially think the government should be able to ban quote unquote false speech on social media.

1:24:26So first of all, who is deciding what's true and what's false? And second of all, you want the government to do that? The Democrats used to believe in free speech. That used to, you know, liberals, the famous instances when the ACLU in the late 70s, there are these Nazis, Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois. And the ACLU said, we're going to defend them. We hate them, but we're going to defend their right to speak because that's the first amendment. That's America. The left has just totally forgotten this. They don't want to hear anything that they don't want to hear. Yeah. It's unfortunate that we just have this thing in our head that this is what my team believes.

1:25:07It's so unfortunate because it really allows these things to take place. Whereas if we're rational and objective and agnostic, we would look at it and go, these are problems. Like this is a problem for all of us. This is a problem for everybody. But if you know, that's your fucking problem. I want to, you know, internal combustion engine, bitch. You know, you can't fucking make me drive a luxury car. Like everyone is so, we're so, we have an identity, you know? We identify with being a progressive. We identify with being, you know, sort of an episode. Yeah, whatever it is. Whatever it is. And when we do that, we want everyone, we want a signal to everyone else that we're on the team.

1:25:48So frustrating. So crazy. It's just, it's so crazy. I mean, yes. And you see it with every, you know, I don't know if you paid attention to this woman in Virginia. There's running for the, she's a Democrat running for the house of delegates, you know, like a Virginia state office. And, and she was caught, I think it was about a week ago. She had a, like essentially a porn site with her husband. Oh, yeah. Like filthy, just absolutely filthy, okay? Okay. So, so there's her filthy. You can be a good advertisement for it. Alex Berencens says filthy. Absolutely filthy. So, so meanwhile, you got Lauren Bober, right?

1:26:30Who's like doing what she's doing in that, you know, in that theater in Denver, right? I heard about that. Yeah, right. So, here's my thing. Okay. They're both, they've both disqualified themselves from political office, not because I have any problem with sex or anything like that, but because your judgment is so bad. Okay. You have two little kids. Don't start talking about how you're going to take money so people can watch your husband fuck you up the ass, which is literally what that woman in Virginia, when I say filthy, I mean filthy. And don't, and don't, and don't start jerking off your, like buddy, your first date buddy in the theater, the Beetlejuice Theater with a pregnant woman directly behind you and kids around you.

1:27:08Just don't do it, okay? Neither of those women should be holding political office. I don't think that should be a controversial position. Okay, but if you're on the left, you know, this is the right of a married woman to have sex on camera with her husband and God forbid, we should, we say anything about it. And if you're on the right, you know, Lauren Bober was just having a tough day or something. No, why can't we just judge these things sort of a politically as the crummy behavior that they are? And why can't we say to these two, like apologize and leave us alone? Yeah, well, it's certainly an inappropriate place to be grabbing dicks and titties.

1:27:48But I like the enthusiasm. I like the fact that they're getting after it. And they probably didn't think anybody could see because it was a dark moment. There was a woman directly behind them a pregnant woman who told them to stop. Oh really? Because they were doing it all the time. Wow, she's a lot of fun. Yeah, probably reckless human. No, to self, this did not go the direction. I don't think we're, come on. Alex, we have to have some fun with this. Yeah, no, I knew what you're saying. I, and I, yeah, is that what I have a pro? I mean, listen, you know, adults are gonna do it. Adults are gonna do it.

1:28:22The hundred Biden things, the greatest example. Yes. There's almost no pushback on the left. There's no outrage, no chaos. Here, you know, here's the most disgusting part of that. That he and the, and the, and the president wouldn't recognize his daughter. Okay, that is disgusting. Especially if you believe that, you know, like, there's all this evidence, you know, getting raised by a single mother is not, you know, it's not a good thing for your outcomes in life. Yes, plenty of people overcommit. Yes, we don't want to stigmatize. But in general, it's better to have two parents involved. Okay, you have the son of the president of the United States refusing to acknowledge his daughter.

1:29:05Okay, that is disgusting. And it shouldn't, and the, and, and, Is that because he didn't think it was his? It was a, it was a, Here's DNA proof. His pants, his child's were so, He just, even after the DNA. Yeah, he still refuses. And the Biden said we have six grandchildren. They have seven grandchildren. Okay, that is a national shame. And the, and I don't care if you're on the left or the right, it is not right. The thing about him is just that he's such a hot wire. Like you can't touch it. It's just he's too much there. You don't want to bring any attention. If you were on the left, you wouldn't want to bring any attention to him and that laptop and those business dealings and all that stuff.

1:29:45Because like, if that was the Trump family, Oh my God, it'd be like, we told you, we told you. But, but, but you think the Trump's so much better? Like they're, look how much money, look how much money Jared Kushner made when he was in the White House. Look at, I mean, it's crazy how much money the Trumps are making and did make. It's, yeah, no one's saying that that's good either. Right. That's the thing about someone who doesn't have a shame. People love, people on the left love to do that though. As soon as you point out anything on the left, they'll, what about Trump? What about Trump? It's like, they should make a t -shirt just says, what about Trump?

1:30:24Because that's like one of those things that they say. And yeah, you're right though. You're right. That kind of corruption that's inexcusable too. And, you know, some of it is just business. Air quotes. Right. Right with the Saudis. Right. I'd love to hear about that business. It's fascinating. The guys got, you know, Kushner's, Kushner's 35. He's got his whole life to suck at the trough. Like, did he have to do it when his father and I was in the White House? I don't know the details behind that. What happened? I mean, so he made, he and Ron made an enormous amount of money. Like, during the four years of the Trump administration.

1:31:01And, you know, you can look it up. I don't want to quote a figure because I don't want to be wrong. But it is an absolutely stunning amount of money. And so, and, you know, and now, Kushner, you know, he's got, he's got that Saudi money that he's managing. It's, I just, I don't know, I don't know where we are as a country. It seems like the people in charge think that anything goes. What do you think of RFK Jr.? I like him person. I've been interviewed by him. I think, I think he's, I think he's right to raise questions about the mRNAs. I don't agree with a lot of the details of what he says. He's a fascinating guy.

1:31:43You've interviewed him, right? I really enjoyed talking to him. But really important is his work as an environmental attorney. What he did with the Hudson River. They cleaned up the Hudson River. A lot of it based on him winning cases. Yep. And he really cares about people. He genuinely does. I think he's a good person. I really do. Would you vote for him? Yeah, I vote for him. Yeah, I would. I don't think I'm going to give an opportunity. Doesn't work that way. I have a feeling. They have a feeling. They've got some rascally tricks up their sleeves to keep him from ever challenging. And there's not going to be any debates.

1:32:18That's for sure. Yes. Which is, it's just, I just really want to know what I mean. This is like a show that I can't stop watching. If I wasn't personally involved, it wasn't something going on in the country that I turned, that I live in. I would be like, wow, a show. And this is crazy. Is that guy going to make it? Like, what's going to happen? Is she going to be the president? Like, is Rosh going to nuke us? I would be like, what a show. The show's crazy. You know, you can opium is legal. You can sell pills. Yeah. But marijuana is not. Okay. Mushrooms aren't. But, you know, fentanyl is. Like, okay.

1:32:55This shows crazy. Look, they got alcohol. They drive fast. They're putting speed cameras up all around LA now. They got to put in speed cameras up. Or they give you a certain ticket for X amount of miles you go over the speed limit. Is that true? Yeah. See if you can find that. I just saw this. It's like, okay. It's a big brother is watching you drive. Watching you drive down the street now. So you're still leaning towards not interviewing Trump. Is that right? I don't want to interview anybody. Oh, how about that? Speed camera bill in California heads to Newson for approval. Please, Gavin. Don't do this.

1:33:34Oh, you know he's going to do it. Please don't. Eleven miles over. Yeah. Issue automatic tickets for driving drivers going at least 11 miles over the speed limit. Cameras would be prioritized in areas surrounding schools, high injury intersections, and known street racing corridors to reduce speeding and traffic fatalities. Oh, well, hold on a second. You put it that way. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Are there certain areas? But the problem is once you're out in that area. Yeah. We're going to put the prioritized means in another area. Yeah. Prioritizes a weird word. Yes. But if that's the case, it's like those fucking street takeovers.

1:34:06Like that's bananas. Like these fuck. And how many times do you have to see on Instagram some dudes standing around the circle? And the guy spin around his car and hits one with the ass in and sends them flying through the air. Jesus Christ, kids, get the fuck out of that circle. I know it's a thrill, but get out of this. I'm here, Darwin. That's get out of there, man. You know, it's like those like you'll see it even in the tour to France. Those people on the side. Yeah, I take out one of those bikes all the time. It happens all the time. And then there's like 83 of them go down. Right. I mean, trusting just regular people to stand there.

1:34:42Like one's going to be a moron. One's going to be on their phone. One's going to have a text that they can't not answer. Wait, we have French flag. Yeah, they're going to do something. They're going to talk so perhaps plus most. Well, also the fucking when you have like car races. When they like to do in those rally races, like those people are out of their mind. Those days come sideways around corners. There's people right there. But at least those are experts. Those street racing kids are just nuts. Like how that that's tree take over thing. When did that first start? You're a jealous of this.

1:35:11I can street take over. Yeah, you wish you were in one of those cars. What? How dare you? I'm not interested in that at all. I don't want to spin around a circle. I have zero desire to spin around a circle. But I mean, I wonder if that was like, was fast and the furious about that or was it before that? So the street takeovers were before? Yeah, wait, 80s. Side shows. 80s in Oakland. Wow. Informal social gatherings of Bay Area youth. Side shows. That's what they would call them. So they would just take over an intersection and start spinning around and sort of. How long did the general do last?

1:35:48Hello. How long? That's how it's done. Half an hour. 10 minutes. Guys have like held up an intersection for half hour just spinning around circles. I would imagine. Have you been to the Bay Area recently? It's kind of anything goes. What a wild thing to do though. To make everybody stop so you can drive in a circle in your car. And everybody does. They know what's going on. So they all just deal with it. What are you going to do? That's nuts. Here's some rap song. Here's the rules. Now listen, this is code to the show for the people out there who just don't know. If your car is real clean then bring it.

1:36:20If it's high performance then swing it. If it's a motorcycle you better serve it. And if you get a ticket you better deserve it. Okay. Part of the culture. No, it's part of the culture. No, it is. You get a ticket you have to deserve it. Yeah, don't do some bitch ass thing. Get a ticket. Shut the whole intersection down. Do donuts. They're not racing. Fast and furious is about races. That's the whole different. Right. Yeah, that's a different thing. But it's a lot of those cars are like those souped up fast and furious type cars, right? Aren't they like a lot of like souped up cars? They're cars clean, bring it.

1:36:50They're not. Well, okay. I guess it's just what a crazy thing to do to people. Make them wait until you can do donuts. Wasn't there something like this happened in Austin pretty recently? Yes, yeah, they did models here. They do them everywhere. It's all over the country now. It's like kids want to be kids. Like they see it on Instagram. But I guess they don't see the ones where the ass and hits the people and they go flying. Oh, no, that's they're definitely seeing. There's so many of those people don't know how to control high performance cars. And they just get on the gas. The thing spins around a circle and swans into a telephone pole.

1:37:26There's so many of those. Oh, it'll be young. Oh, it'll be dumb. Not know how to drive a car. Something happens here. I've heard about definitely not been a participant is kids taking over people's houses. Oh, Jesus. They'll find a big house that's empty and be like it's time to throw a party. Oh, God. Definitely doesn't only happen here, but I've heard of it. I've seen Instagram ads from. Imagine coming home from vacation. There's a party going on in the house. You got to kick everybody out. I think that's a well -foundled movie. Isn't it? It should be. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Should be, but they can't make those movies anymore.

1:37:57That's right. That's right. That's party. Yeah. They can't make those movies. That's true. You try to make stepbrothers today. You did. Can't sold. Isn't that crazy? Wasn't that long ago? No. They killed the genre. They literally killed. They really killed the realy over the top ridiculous comedy genre. You know, like, super bad. You could never do that movie today. That's true. It's a fucking brilliant movie. It's so funny. That movie. No way. Oh, oh. The four -year -old virginity. I probably all of those are. All those stepbrothers. Uh -oh. Uh -oh. Potropic Thunder. You better get those. Come on.

1:38:34It's a fuck out of here. There's so many live wires and tropic thunder, so many landmines. Yes. Oh my god. Yes. Yeah, but meanwhile, brilliant movie. You can still watch it. You know, it's like back in the day when we were free. Tender, ridiculous. Yeah. It's so quick. It happens so quick. Social media. People gathered together and echo chambers and decided what was acceptable and what wasn't and enforced it on everybody else. But don't you feel maybe we hit the peak of that about two years ago? When they went after you, I think there's enough understanding now that the vast majority of people don't like that.

1:39:13The vast majority. And also the vast majority of people think that context is important and that humor is important and that fun is important and that I don't like when other people are telling me how I have to think and talk. Like you should be willing to let people. You want to call yourself a zerr or that's great. But you get mad at me that I won't use that made up word. Like this is bonkers. This is just bonkers. You know, if you have makeup on long hair and your girl and you tell me you're non -binary and you I have to call you a zerr, I'm like, I don't want to participate. You know, this is not my dance.

1:39:47Like you can go, go fucking cosplay. Do whatever you want. I don't know. You know, dress up like an angel. I don't care. But I don't like it when people start reinforcing their ideology on other people. And that's part of what goes on whenever people have the ability to do it. When people have the ability to tell other people what to say, how to think, they just do it. Whether they're right, way is right or not. They don't want them to debate it. They just want you to comply. And they'll say things to you like you should just be quiet and listen. You know, they'll say things like that, which is a, that's an amazing thing to say.

1:40:21Just be quiet and listen when woke people are educating you. Oh, just be quiet and listen. Okay. Well, that would make it easier because as soon as I start talking, your argument's going to fall apart. What? You know that there's now been some research done into like some of the DEI stuff, you know, that shows that it actually causes a backlash. Yes. Right? Like that, you know, when you tell people they're not allowed to talk and they come out angrier than they went when they went. Yes. Exactly. And it's also the, it wasn't the person who created DEI. I just came out and said it didn't really work that well.

1:40:59Is that true? That would not surprise me. Isn't that something that just happened, Jamie? I'm pretty sure I saved it because it was so bonkers. I was like, this can't be real. I have to look into this. Let me look at it real quick because it was so cookie that I was like, I need to read this because a lot of times and guilty as charged, if you ever thought I did this, if you see me come on this podcast and just start talking about shit, I probably just read the headline. All right. What am I looking up again? DEI. DEI. Right, right, right, right. I got it in here. I know I do. Okay. Here it is.

1:41:36Jordan Peterson tweeted it and it was tweeting it. He was quote tweeting Michael Sherman. I'll text to you, Jamie. So all that stuff became, explain that to people what DEI is and how it came to be and what it does and what it's impact is. Well, I'm not an expert in it, but DEI is diversity, equity and inclusion. It is basically this idea that white people need to shut up, right? And it's not just that. They want equal representation in, here it is. Even Harvard Psychology professor, who, I say his name, Mazarin Banaji has come around. She literally pioneered the research upon which all the DEI nonsense was hypothetically predicted, predicated rather not alone, no sick and greenberg too.

1:42:25For her to write this in the Wall Street Journal, it's astoundings, Freud, Abjurred, Psychoan analysis. But here it is. It's a sure more thing. That's interesting, right? So Michael Sherman says, astonishment, admission from the pioneer of research on implicit bias, bigotry racism, same person, Mazarin, Mazarin, Banaji, my apologies, that DEI training programs don't work and even hurt. Racist attitudes still exist, but much improved since 1960s and most don't act on them anyway and DEI now. And that's what Sherman wrote. Yeah. So, yeah, because when, you know, look, everybody has straight thoughts that, you know, may not be the best in the world.

1:43:07But if people aren't going to act on them and you make them sit at a conference room and tell them how terrible they are for three hours, they're going to wind up feeling probably more aggravated than they were when they came in. That nobody likes to be told they're awful all the time. Right. And it's also so productive. That's not, it's, you should be Bill Marr rather talked about this, that, you know, we should strut, we were supposed to be striving for a colorblind society. But somewhere along the line, we were told that that's not possible. You shouldn't do that because colors important, race important, all these things are important.

1:43:48Why DEI training doesn't work and how to fix it? It's article written by her in the last couple of months. There's no question that bias exists. There's no question that the way organizations deal with it is more likely to hurt than help. But maybe that, she's saying how to fix it. Maybe she thinks that just needs to be tweaked. We would have to read the article, which is too much trouble. Yeah. I mean, the real problem is everybody wants a meritocracy, right? But in this long race of self improvement, not everybody starts at the same starting line. Well, that is true. And the reality is we put very little effort into making a better starting line for a lot of people in this country.

1:44:28That's, that's a, that's an unfortunate reality of this country that is undeniable. And that needs to be addressed. That's the root of the whole thing. You can't just like decide to just do something about the fruit. You got to do something about like what is the fertilizer for the civilization? What is the root structure of the civilization? Yes. But that needs to be improved. But to go back to where we started today, there's nothing that's worse for parenting than... There's nothing that's worse for parenting than parents of young children being using drugs. Whether a drug is alcohol, cannabis, or, you know, or meth or heroin, it is terrible for parenting.

1:45:11I mean, it leads to abuse and neglect. It leads to poverty. It leads to terrible outcomes. And I don't know how you stop that. But one of the things when you consider whether you're going to set up a world where drug use is sort of a loud, slash encouraged, slash commercialized is the effect on young kids. It's a really good question. And, you know, as a person who believes that freedom is one of the most important things. I also come from a perspective where, you know, I'm in a different place in life than I was when I was 20. And what would I be like when I was 20 if heroin was legal? What would I be like if cocaine was legal?

1:45:48What would I have done? There's a reality that if you open the gates now, and you say, now all of these drugs are legal, we're going to regulate them. And the way to stop fentanyl coming in in these tainted cocaine is to sell pure cocaine. And it actually be better for everybody. I don't believe it. I truly don't believe it. I don't think the problem is the tainted drugs. I think the problem is that drugs just eat people. I think there's both of those things. But what I was about to say is, if you did do that, you would undeniably have a certain amount of people that are going to get addicted that never would.

1:46:24Certain amount of people that were going to lose their lives that never would. Certain amount of violent actions, car accidents, people on meth and heroin and drugs and coke and they're going to do wild shit. And you know, people are super unpredictable when they're fucked up on drugs. And you're going to have real problems. And that, that's also true. But, you know, would more people do it if it was legal? I think you're right. I think more people would try it. But eventually not. So we just had to sacrifice whole generation to be able to learn. You get to go to Europe and see like kids are a lot of drink wine in Italy.

1:47:04And so they don't, they're like their instances of alcoholism. And it's not a big deal to them. For us, it's a big deal. Like I remember the first time I got drunk with my friends, we were listening to the lead Zeppelin. My friend Jimmy and it was like, it was like, we were like 15 years old. 14, 15 years old. And I got sick in a cab. Like the whole thing. Yeah. But it was getting alcohol was crazy. If you live in Europe, it's normal. Like they, they, they, they, a cuss that get their kids acclimated to it. Like you don't let them drink, but they're a lot of have a sip of alcohol. Sure. Have a little, it's not that big a deal.

1:47:40Right. Don't think of it as like some forbidden fruit that you can't wait to get to to get fucked up. Yes. But even with, you know, adults, we know that even with adults that have, you know, reasonable ways of approaching every other aspect of their life, some of them can't have a drink. That's right. They can't, they can't do it. They get fucking gerbilized and they're gone. You know, you know those guys. Yes, of course. Those are real people too. And what do we do about that? And it's a good question, but it's a question that unfortunately, there's so many pros and cons of both sides. And the con of both side is crazy because you're empowering a gigantic criminal enterprise.

1:48:21That is. Yes. That's crazy. And that was the prohibition. That was the thing that was going on in America. They didn't stop people from drinking whiskey, but they stopped them from drinking good whiskey. They were making moonshine and, you know, that was what NASCAR was created for. Yeah. They were trying to run away from cars. They developed hot rod cars to run away from cops. And they said, you know, we should race these motherfuckers. And they just kind of fucking race tracks that circle. Yes. I mean, that's literally how NASCAR started. It's kind of amazing. But it's just, there's no real, there's no one perfect answer.

1:48:58There's no one thing we say, you know what? If we do this, we'll have zero deaths and everyone's going to be peaceful and the world's going to be a utopia. There's no answer like that. No. But, and I'm not suggesting this, okay. But you, if you have a regime that is really strict on drug use, you don't have much drug use. I mean, I'm talking about, I'm not going to be like, you know, like Saudi Arabia. You know, if you're kind of people's hands off of us, and that would never fly here. And I don't think it's a good idea. It's definitely not a good idea. But this idea that like you can't culturally and societally lower the levels of drug use is not true.

1:49:33You can't. It's just the concern of the price you pay. Right. But that isn't that the thing about like peace as well, like as long as you're willing to have like, like who is the, was it the, was it the, was it the president of the Philippines? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, yes. I bet that on an impact. Yes. Yes. I mean, I wouldn't recommend it, but I bet it worked to a certain extent. That's right. No, it's, but so there's just this idea, the drug legalization law. Bobby has very successfully argued that basically you can't manage the amount of drug use in a society. You just have to manage the consequences.

1:50:11And that is demonstrably untrue. Here's another, like drinking and driving used to be pretty society acceptable. Now it's not acceptable. I mean, people still, still sometimes do it, but levels are way down. Have you ever seen that video from when they first started telling people you can't have an open beer in your car? No. See if you can find that video, Jamie, I think it's from the 1970s and then this lady's like, basically, we're becoming calm, you know, this guy's like, you work all day, it'd be nice, you could have a beer on your way home. It's crazy. These people are advocating for openly drinking in their cars.

1:50:48That's right. You can change that behavior. Yeah. Well, that's a wild one. That's a wild one that people want to be able to just fucking booze it up by their driving. Listen to this. The driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocrat. This guy getting calm and just want to fight a king and I put in a hard day's work, getting 11, 12 hours a day and then getting you a truck in the lace rain, one or two beers. It's a lot of where you can't drink when you want to. Maybe. You have to wear a seat belt when you're driving. Pretty soon we're going to be calm in this car. I was very thirsty. That's when Trump went its first light bulb.

1:51:28I think it'd be president. That guy I didn't even like his accent, I didn't even, I underdid it. Yes. He was over the top. But the baby next to the baby. The baby right there. That's where he's carrying babies around. Just put them in there. No airbags. No, it's there in the front seat. Those cars, they fall apart and they get maxed in. When I was a kid we just sat in the back seat. You didn't wear a fucking seat belt. No, no. Everybody is bouncing around back there. You know what? It's not the end of the world. It's most of the time people survive. There's some I've been meaning to write for the stack.

1:52:02It's been like I started to write and I haven't had time. This is a non -COVID thing. This is the kind of stuff I need to write more of. There's been a lot of research done recently on the unhappiness of adolescents and teenage girls especially. One of the things is really interesting is if you look by political party, liberal kids are much, much more unhappy than conservative kids right now. If you were to be outcomes that's not necessarily the case. When did this become? Was this always the case? It's got much worse in the last few years. It's because in the last few years. I got to go back and again I don't want to misquote it.

1:52:45But because of lockdowns in COVID as well. Lockdowns in COVID and their parents scaring them to death with climate change and they're just like a bunch of neurotic kids who don't have any fun. The climate change one is wild. Because the thing about the climate change one, it's both sides it's kind of undeniable. It is undeniable we're having an effect. Yeah. It's undeniable. I agree. But I watched this guy discuss, I forget what legislators, what politicians he was talking to. But he was asking them because they were trying to figure out what to do about carbon emissions. And he said what do you think the level of CO2, like what percentage of the air is CO2?

1:53:28And everybody had a gas like 5%, 7%, whatever it was. And he said it's actually 0 .3 or 0 .4. 0 .3 and at 0 .2 plants die. Right. Right. Is that true? Final that's true. Well that guy was saying that I was like they don't know because they're just guessing. Right. So they know it is 0 .3 because it's 300 per million, 0 .3. Right. Yeah. And there's an effect that we're having and that effect is causing the earth to be the greenest and several of them. Right. Yeah. No, look. We know this is real. I actually 0 .03 but yeah. But you can't scare the crap out of your kids all the time. Don't scare them.

1:54:11Here's the other thing. And this is again, not denying that human beings have an effect in the climate we clearly do. It's never been stable. No. The climate's never been stable. It's never like a flat line. Like look if we go back to the dinosaurs before people started fucking around, it was a nice flat line. You always knew what temperature is going to be on September 19, 2020. Right. September, yeah. Well, come on. No, you didn't. It was all kooky. The whole thing is like this. If you watched it, I had Steve Kooning on who's a physicist who explained all this. Is this it? I think so. Yeah. Here it is.

1:54:44In a rare atmosphere, CO2 carbon dioxide. Well, yes. It's a five percent. I'll just follow you. See, there are five and suggest that we know that transportation causes 49 percent of CO2. So that's why we're on working on energy transition. All right. What number do you think it is? Five. Five. I didn't hear you. It's greater. Seven. Seven. Do you have one Mr. Boy? So we've got a five, seven. Price is right. Eight. I'm going to get the high hand. All right. Well, I appreciate that. I don't mean to. I put you on ISAS. A lot of people that because over here is climate change, climate change. CO2.

1:55:29I heard a couple of you on the panel saying you're looking to change your vehicles to electric. Even though we don't have the electric grid. And me as a farmer, I wouldn't be real happy about running out. They see 300 ,000 or 500 ,000 dollar, really, a dollar of pieces of equipment because someone wants to be electric. The answer is .04 percent. Not 1 percent, not half a hundred percent. 0 .04 percent. It's gone up from .03 in the last couple decades. This is what we're being all contorted in. The noise is tiny change in CO2. If we go if we get below .02, planet life starts now. So let me ask Mr.

1:56:09Boyd, what are a lot of your vehicles to your fore already or the vehicles that you know about in the industry? Yes. All right. That's the cleanest burning diesel you can get, right? Yes. All right. About Mr. Dreyer. What do you think? Yes. Okay. So why would A &B be anxious to go out and change out all those vehicles that you've been upgrading? My home state of California, CARB, has eliminated lots of equipment. Trucks, you know, we're going to be, we're down at least 70 ,000 truckers and all because they don't make a mandate for a 20, 2011, a newer vehicle. So it's going to be harder to get things from the ports, all this, all that.

1:56:47So, anyway, I just wanted to underline that as you know, you know, giddy about trying to make everything electric, especially in my home state when they're shutting down the power group and taking out hydroelectric dams and they barely kept in place the new power plant for additional five years versus 9 % of our grid. I don't know how we're going to do this. I don't know how you guys are going to do construction down remote areas where there isn't power lines yet nearby or what have you. We're going to charge this stuff. Maybe you'll bring generators. So, anyway, thank you. Yeah. It's a mess. So, interesting, right?

1:57:19You see these people that that's why we're working so hard to remove carbon from the ion. She doesn't even know it. She doesn't know what he just said. Yes. But she'll tell you that 49 % of that 0 .4 or 0 .04 comes from trucks. Yes. Comes from transportation. Look, I think there's even more basic problem, okay? The problem is the Chinese and the Indians. We can go to a post -industrial society and all live growing beets in the United States in Europe. They're not going to stop building coal -fired plants. They haven't stopped building them. Maybe they will promise to stop building them. Europe, basically, if you look at a graph, Europe is like a tiny fraction of the world CO2 right now, okay?

1:58:14We still admit a lot, but the Chinese admit a lot more. And I think the Indians are on track to pass us if they haven't passed us already. So we can destroy our own economies and it won't make that much difference, unfortunately. So, that's a real problem. We are really concentrating on climate and we're really concentrating on our impact. But we also have to be concentrating on what are the countries doing and our ability to economically compete with them and be sustainable. That's one of the real important things that we should have probably learned from the pandemic when we couldn't get stopped.

1:58:50That's right. Yeah, you couldn't get anything from overseas because they couldn't just talk to the people. We do not want to be in the pockets of the Chinese. They're not necessarily our friends. Are we ready though? Well, yeah, we are. We are. Listen, we can have a decent relationship with them. What they've done is so clever. But that's, yeah, we depend on them for everything. It's amazing. It's not a good position to be in. But that's what makes people really cynical about these relationships these countries have. They're kind of enemies but kind of not. They're competing but they're also selling each other stuff and their economies rely on each other.

1:59:25Economic sanctions are the most devastating. Yeah, I think we'd be mistaken to depend too much on the Chinese right now. But just go all the way back. Don't scare your kids. No, don't scare the fuck out of people. But how do you not scare the fuck out of them while making them aware at the same time? They're two kind of different things but don't tell your kids the world's going to end in 50 years. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's all nonsense. Well, that wasn't that what Greta Thornberg was saying in 2015. Yeah, the idea that you can predict how this is going to go down seems nutty. But really, we need to concentrate on some stuff that we absolutely can control.

2:00:03And one of them is plastics in the ocean. These people that are doing a great job of trying to figure out methods to sift that stuff out, just the sheer knowledge of how much is out there. Yes. Do you know a lot of our stuff apparently? We think that when you recycled that everything gets recycled. But apparently they don't do such a good job recycling plastic. They just use it put in landfills and sometimes they ship it to other places. I know nothing about, but I believe you. Yeah, there's horrific, horrific imagery and videos of other countries where they're just dumping their waste into a river.

2:00:46And you see these river systems that are just completely clogged by plastic bottles and garbage and humans are so fucking weird. We're so weird. We need the aliens to save us, Joe. No, we need to get it together. But I do think if I was an alien, I would be watching. I think if I had a guess, if I had to put my chips on whether or not it's real or not real, I would think yes, it's real. I think they're most likely we've been observed, most likely we've been visited multiple times. Why wouldn't they? If they have the capability, we'd be fascinating. Also I think some of the stuff we're seeing is ours.

2:01:28I think both of those things could be true at the same time. And I think one of the ways that, again, I would obscure whether or not we have stuff like that is to start talking about aliens. That just seems like common chess moves. I was like, oh, I see where you're going. If you just all of a sudden you got whistleblowers and all of a sudden you're telling me that all this stuff is real. Okay. Now I'm suspicious. I was less suspicious when you were lying about it. You know, when you were lying about it, I was like, oh, they're hiding the aliens. They're hiding it. But now they're talking about it.

2:01:59Like, oh, you guys probably are still hiding the aliens. But you probably back engineered some shit or developed some stuff on some completely independent government -funded black ops branch of physics where they knew something about magnetic propulsion or something. They've developed some unmanned drone that can go hypersonic speeds. What do you think they look like? Aliens? Well, if you want to go back to the old CIA documents because there are documents that George Napp and Jeremy Corbell have uncovered from the Freedom of Information Act where they said there was four different races that were visiting us.

2:02:37Yeah. And some of them are the classic grays and some of them are what they call the tall whites. They look like Nordic people, like really pale skin and long hair and they have their ears or like flat to their head and they have larger eyes than we do. But they look almost like humanoid. Yeah. But I mean, who fucking knows? You know, this is all just nonsense talk. It's like, what kind of elves do you believe in? Well, I don't believe in leper cons, but the regular wood elves are real. You know, I don't know, man. I don't know. I haven't seen one. I can't. I would die to see one. I mean, I would be fascinating.

2:03:15I'd be willing to not tell people. It would take me, shall we? I want to know. But everybody thinks that way, right? Everybody wants to know. But until you see something and if you do see something, you're going to go, what did I fucking see? Is that real? Like how reliable is my goddamn memory? You know, like did I just have like some internal burst of psychedelic chemicals and it tricked me into thinking that I'd been abducted? That's a good, all good question. Well, that's a real question, too, because a lot of these alien abduction stories, they happen at night. And when people are sleeping and dreaming, they're occasionally people get sleep paralysis.

2:03:54That's a real factor. And then dreams themselves, people have lucid dreams. They have dreams that appear that they're real. They have like different levels of dreams, like some medications you take, give you wild, vivid dreams. We know that, right? So what is happening there? Well, there's obviously some sort of neurochemicals that get released during sleep that appear to be, if not hallucinogenic, maybe they're definitely psychedelic. What are they doing? Are they connecting your consciousness with some other realm? Like what is going on? And I could imagine if you were, you know, you had one of these endogenous dumps of these naturally produced psychoactive substances in your line in bed, you would see fucking aliens over you.

2:04:37But does that mean that the aliens aren't real? I don't know that either, because it might, that might be how they get to you. Look at the bottom paragraph. The ICIG office did nothing to look into the information they received from David Grush on UAP crash retrieval programs. They have no information they can give to Congress. Cover up. This is representative Tim Berchett, he calls cover up. It's posted the two page letter that the ICIG Thomas. That was the monheim? The monheim is it? It was working with David Grush, I think. Interesting. And their claim is that they haven't done anything. They're not looking into the claims at all.

2:05:18Interesting. Well, maybe they're not allowed to. If there was a crash retrieval program, I would imagine I would say shut the fuck up. No, you can't look at it. If there's some UFO that we have, and if we find out, look, how do you know how do those people working for you? Whether or not someone's been taking money from Russia or taking money from China or taking money from Iran or how do you know? How do you know? How do you know there might be some guy that works for you? That's a spy. You can't let everybody come in and see the UFO. It's on a need to know basis. So you deny them. No. I think I know.

2:05:50No one needs to know if it's a UFO. I don't know. When they cover it up, now I'm starting to think they're real. What would it matter if they have a spy saw this? Like, hey, they have something. Maybe they could take pictures and send it to them and they could start reverse engineering. They could explain it. If someone explained, maybe they don't know how to get it to work and then one person figured out how to get it to work. That's the whole Bob Lizar lore. The whole Bob Lizar lore was that they hired him to be a propulsion expert. So in back engineer this thing, they didn't know how it worked.

2:06:21And then initially he was like, oh, that makes sense. The reason why people, you've seen those, they're ours. Okay. And then very quickly, as you examine the thing, he's like, what the fuck is this? This thing designed to carry three foot tall people that operates on some sort of gravity generator from an element that we haven't even stabilized yet. And it's only theoretical at that point. So that's what he says. This is. But I had to take you down this road because I know you're like one of those guys who calls bullshit on things. I know you're paying attention to it because it's everywhere. I'm very COVID focused.

2:06:59Really? I mean, I'm vaguely aware of it. Just vaguely? I would say just vaguely. I mean, I'm pursuing, I'm busy pursuing the government. I understand. I understand. Are you worried when you do stuff like that? No, I mean, we're all in the NSA database. I haven't done anything that interesting. You're definitely in the NSA database. No, but we all are. So, you know, what does that mean? What does it mean, exactly? I mean, so, I'm not that worried. I mean, I'm honestly, it'd be more likely that Pfizer would be interested in me, but they're not going to do anything anyway either way. I mean, you know, it's like these are court cases.

2:07:46You make your best case. They hire really expensive lawyers. They make their best case. And it doesn't seem like they ever really face criminal charges. That's right. Nobody, nobody. They face fines. That's right. Nobody really goes to jail. If you're a senior corporate executive, you don't go to jail. So, why do anything that could actually get you in trouble? What's really fascinating is that, you know, the criminal charges they get hit with are often less than the profits they made. That's right. That's true of both, you know, Eli Lilly, which is a company that I covered around when I was at the New York Times.

2:08:20I mean, this is a funny thing. Like, these people on the left, they want to pretend that I'm some kind of conspiracy. I'm the same reporter I was when I worked at the New York Times and covered the drug industry and wrote these stories. This is why I'm so aware of the games the companies played because I've been writing about it for so long. When you worked at New York Times, what year was this? This was 99 through 2010 I worked there. Could you ever imagine that journalism would be where it's at now? No. But, you know, as a person who was there on the inside of the Grey Lady, like, what was did you notice a shift while you were there?

2:08:53There was a slight shift. Look, I was a business reporter. I was an investigative business reporter. They never told me, don't write about this or do write about this. I mean, sometimes they don't do write about this, but they never told me, you know, don't do this. It might offend, you know, the Democratic Party or whatever. That's not how it worked. And I remember going to Iraq for the paper and coming back and some guys in me, I was in Las Vegas actually in 2003. And some guy, I think I was getting my shoes shine. The guy next to me getting his shoes shine said, oh, it must be hard to work for the New York Times when they tell you to make things up.

2:09:26And I said, I was in Iraq and like, I put my life on the line for that place and for to get to the truth. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. And so, so that was really like a responsibility and a trust that I felt to try to get to the truth. What happened? But people were always cynical, even back then. Oh, yeah, they were cynical. But they were, but they were more wrong than what happened was that Trump got elected. Okay, Trump got elected and it broke the American media because they couldn't believe that the United States elected this guy instead of Hillary Clinton. They all wanted Hillary Clinton certainly and, you know, and especially younger female reporters at the paper.

2:10:03And she was also projected to win. And she was pretty, that's right. So it was like, there's, I think I don't know if I said this to you some previous time I was here, but there's this famous onion headline I'll never forget from 2015. I mean, Hillary Clinton tells nation not to fuck it up for her. And that's how it felt, right? Like, like, I'm going to be elected whether you want me to be or not, right? Do you think we would have been better off as a culture if she got elected? Oh, that's an interesting question. Like, do you think that the separation, the polarization of the right and the left wouldn't have been so bad if she won?

2:10:34But she was projected to win. This stuff was happening anyway. Right, but I wonder if that was, because Trump is such a polarized figure that I think that was the tipping point. Yeah, maybe, maybe we would, I don't know, but she didn't win. He won, right? And, and he and the media, if you listen to some interviews, that's right. That's right. He was illegitimate. That's right. That's right. But when, yes, Russia hacked our elections, that's right. Remember that? I do remember that. That used to be okay to say. But he, but he, the media hated him. Yeah. And, and he used their hate and their hate got worse and worse.

2:11:10And they became openly partisan in a way they hadn't been, you know, I don't know, in a hundred years. Yeah. So, it was weird. It's weird. It's weird and it just, it doesn't seem like it's ever going to bounce back. And if he wins again, Jesus, Louisus, what is going to happen? I don't know what's going to happen next year. I mean, he could be in prison. There's a real chance he could be in prison and win. I don't know what that looks like. Bananas. If he goes to jail for the crimes that they're accusing him of, how long are we talking about for this? Well, the Georgia stuff he could do 20 years.

2:11:40Oh my goodness. I mean, I, he's covered in the country from his cell box. Would they allow him to have like access to phones? Oh, I think, I mean, I think he'd have to be the president. I mean, I think, I think there'd be enormous pressure to, to let him out under those circumstances. And then put him back in once he gets out of prison. That's a great question. I mean, it's, it's unthinkable. Now, the federal stuff he could pardon himself for, it seems pretty clear. He can pardon himself. There's a debate about this. But he could also direct the justice department to drop the prosecutions. But the state stuff, he can't.

2:12:11State stuff, he doesn't control. So it's crazy. And, and I've increasingly concluded that it was a huge mistake to indict him. They should have presented the information and said, because he, this is a political issue, not a legal issue. The political issue is does the country want him as president? If it wants him as president, it'd be different. Okay, if you said he murdered somebody or he committed espionage, this is all, I mean, nobody really is accusing him of crimes like that. So, so the idea that he might be in jail and the country might have to vote in an election where one of the candidates is in, is in prison is crazy.

2:12:50It was, I was listening to a conversation that Dennis Prager had, and I forget he was talking to, David Pakman, and they were, they're having a conversation about the election. And one of the things that Prager said that I thought was really interesting. If you knew that Hitler was an incredibly evil person, and you knew that you could stop this person from getting into power by manipulating the election, it would be your moral imperative to do so. And that a lot of people viewed Trump like that. That's right. And that's, that's a real thing. And that's, and I think they do right now. Like if the will of the people is that he becomes president, the rest of the people that don't agree with that, will go into a fucking fury, a fury.

2:13:35Yes. If he becomes president again, like, God, what is going to happen? No, it'll be terrible. But if he is, if he's in jail and can't campaign, his supporters are going to think it's terrible. Yeah. They're going to think it's unfair that way. The whole thing from top to bottom is just fucking bonkers. And it's bonkers, all scenarios are bonkers. I can't, I can't stand him. And people, you know, I lose sub -stack report of views whenever I say that, but I don't like Donald Trump. But I do think that he, like, the way the left is behaving towards him is not wise. Yes. It's like telling somebody to shut the fuck up.

2:14:13You ever tell somebody to shut the fuck up? They don't want to shut the fuck up. The only reason why they shut the fuck up, but you don't shut the fuck up, is like a threat of violence. That's right. Or if they realize they really fucked up, and they just like take a moment of reflection. But most of the time, you tell people to shut the fuck up, and they're like, you know, you shut the fuck up. That's right. They get mad. It doesn't work. You know, it's like when you think you can just hit somebody, because you saw it in a movie. No, they're going to hit you back. That's right. They might beat the fuck up you.

2:14:35They might wait for you after school one day and kick your ass. They're not going to just take it. Like, people don't just, and when you do something like that, where you just try to silence your opponent and try to jail your opponent on what some people think are trumped up charges, no pun intended. That makes people furious. And it emboldens and empowers the other side, unfortunately. That's just how it goes. You know, it's like what we're talking about, the DEI stuff. It's like forced stuff down people's throats, and they get angry at it. Like, this is the fuck out of here with this. You know, and when you made people take vaccines, they get angry.

2:15:13And it emboldens them, and it enforces their idea that other people are out to get them. And that's real dangerous. It's real dangerous when we think like that. It's real dangerous. And we got to be very careful. Got to be very careful about it, because we don't want a fucking civil war. And I just think we're almost like at this point where there's parts of one side that hate parts of the other side so much. Both sides. It's true. Yeah, that's why I didn't pick a left or a right. It's like it's both sides. It's like there's evil on the right. There's evil on the left. It's just humans. It's humans in groups.

2:15:51You get enough of us together in a group. Certain percentage are just going to be fucking assholes. So what are you guys going to happen? You know, a year from now, one year from now will be right up to the election. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know, and I'm not happy. I'm also, it's like fascinating watching RFK Jr. not get secret service protection. Yeah, that's weird. It's weird. It's gross. Like, how is that even a thing that they can't get in the name? And he doesn't. How could they deny him that? Yeah. I mean, and then there was some guy showed up heavily armed, he pretended he was on a security detail.

2:16:27Just another. Yeah. Yeah, not good. None of it's good. It's not good. It's like, but you see these power struggles and you see these power dynamics and it just doesn't take into account. It's like concentrating on short term victory, right? Short term victory is when the election at all costs. But it's constant. It's not looking at the big picture of the future of the nation if you choose to bend the rules because it's like the rules are the reason why we're great. It's a big part of why this is such an amazing place is the freedom speech. And if you're going to social media companies and you're the government and you're having them release or delete things that are accurate, that's not good for the nation.

2:17:14It's not good for all of us. It's not good for human beings as a whole. It's not good for the country that you live in as a person doing that, making that decision. It's not good for all of us. Well, you're not going to have to convince me of this, right? Obviously. So, but I mean, look, my case, you know, it said in earlier, there's two big cases. There's my case and there's Missouri V -Biden, which is so Missouri, the state of Missouri and the state of Louisiana sued, you know, over social media censorship. And they did that in the Western District of Louisiana. And they got a favorable ruling in July.

2:17:47And then the Fifth Circuit, which is just one level below the Supreme Court, you know, it's several states in the South, basically upheld that ruling of, was about 10 days ago. And now the Biden administration has appealed to the Supreme Court. And what the Fifth Circuit has said is we don't want senior officials in the Biden administration, including the same people who I've sued, talking to social media companies and trying to pressure them. And when they've gone too far. And here's what's really interesting about this job, because so what the Biden administration says is we're not forcing anything.

2:18:27We're not making explicit threats against anybody. We're just saying this is what we think should be on your platforms. And this is dangerous to let people talk about the problems with the vaccines because it discourages people from getting vaccinated. That's dangerous to them. We don't like that. And you know, famously Biden said in July 2021, you're killing people. Those are his words. The platforms are killing people by allowing people like me to talk about problems or potential problems with the vaccines. Okay. Now, from my point of view, I've basically been proven right in terms of most of the concerns that I raised.

2:19:01Now, we could argue about that. But the truth is it doesn't matter whether I was right or wrong. I'm an American. I would have the right to express myself and Twitter was my platform to do that. It was my biggest journalistic outlet. So try and get Twitter to ban me. It's one thing. Maybe if you, if you, you know, if you just talk generally about what you want to see, but what's clear is that the Biden administration went way past that. This is what the, what really comes out when you read. And of course, I've read the rulings in the Missouri V Biden case. And of course, my own stuff is that, is that they pushed for months and months and really years until really 2021, 2022, they, they put a lot of pressure on these companies.

2:19:51And they're, and the White House is powerful. And the companies have a lot of interests beyond, you know, me or other users. And what we're allowed to say, they have interests in Europe. They have interests with section 230, which is this provision that enables them not to get sued for the content that they carry. And so at some point, even if you're not making an explicit threat of, you better take this guy off or you're going to pay the companies here that they hear what you're saying without you saying it. And that's what the fifth circuit ruling basically says. And that's my argument. I mean, my argument goes past that actually because I have, you know, I have evidence that I, that the White House explicitly quote unquote, asked why I was allowed to be on Twitter.

2:20:38I mean, that's in black and white. But the point is, it's, and this is the analogy because I think everybody gets this. When you get pulled over and the, and the cop says, can you get out of your car for me? I really need you to get out. Can you get out for me, please? That's not really a question at some point. That's a demand. And so, and so it is not right for the government to try to stifle me or anyone else that way. And that, you know, that's at the core of Barrenson V -Biden. And it's broadly, you know, at the core of Missouri V -Biden. And in a perfect world, what they would do is ask you how you came to this conclusion and what's the data.

2:21:20Show us. We're not a perfect, I mean, the one that you did, you did base it on data. Yeah, absolutely. No, look, the White House, they're the most powerful organization in the world. They can say whatever they want. They have a, you know, a billion dollar advertising budget. They can, the, the president or anybody on the COVID team can call the New York Times at any time and express their point of view. They don't need to shut me up. Whether what I'm saying is right or wrong, true or false. They don't need to shut me up. And it's against my constitutional rights for them to do so. And that is wrong.

2:21:53And by the way, I was right and they were wrong and the vaccines have basically failed. And that's why nobody wants to take them anymore. But that actually is almost irrelevant. Yeah, it's just, it's a strange time when it comes to this because it really, there was never social media before like the Obama administration. That's right. Right? It's just really a new thing. But and it became what it really became during the Trump administration. It became this like an oiling pot. Yes, and during COVID because pre -COVID, I would have just been an ex -New York Times reporter and I wouldn't have had any audience at all.

2:22:31Right. That's what they don't like. They don't like you because you have an audience they can't control. You, they don't like me because I have a half million people on Twitter and more, you know, back then who would retweet me and really wanted to hear what I had to say. Because and they couldn't control it and it was free to me, right? I didn't have to pay Twitter. It was just an audience and a voice and they don't like that. And that's a real problem if you're telling the truth. That's what's crazy. It's like we're not talking about someone who's advocating for violence. We're not talking about someone who's trying to take down the government.

2:23:05No, we're just talking about someone who's advocating for truth. That's right. You're just talking about truth. And if you've got a government that's trying to stop truth, like that's, they shouldn't be doing that. They just shouldn't be doing that. Everyone should know they shouldn't be doing that. They, they, and you know, these are documents that have come out. They knew that, that people like me were the biggest problem because they, what they didn't, you know, if you're out there saying, like, oh, the vaccine is going to make your foot fall off or whatever, stuff that's obviously untrue. People know, you know, they're going to disregard that.

2:23:41But if you have me saying, look at the CDC's own statistics and make a judgment for yourself whether this makes sense, that they make those conclusions or are you just doing math based on their data. So it's not their conclusions, but it's their data. That is what they know is the biggest problem for them because, because they can't say I'm lying. They can't say it's false. All they can say is it's misinformation. Misinformation just means information that we don't like. Well, that isn't that malinformation, like, so information that's bad for us. So, so there's misdist and mal. Yeah, what is mal exactly?

2:24:18So my joke about this was mal is, mal is just the third thing because they need three things. But the difference between mis and mal can be kind of hard to distinguish. Mis technically, I think, can be false whereas mal is not ever false, but it is taken out of context. It's stupid. It's all stupid or dangerous or dangerous somehow. Another dangerous country as a whole or something like that. That's mal. Let's hear what it says. Mal's purpose for, I think, is the difference. Malinformation is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization, or country. See, but that's like, what does that mean?

2:24:55If you, if like, you could say, okay, but they're saying examples of mal information, include fishing, catfishing, and doxing. Okay. Okay, well, if that's it. But if you, but, but if you broadly define it as it could do harm to an organization, like information that could do harm to an organization. So, so, so, so, how do they define misinformation? If mal information is truth, misinformation, so misinformation, incorrect or misleading. So, that can be true too. Certainly misleading can be true. It could be misleading, but you could take something out of context, or it could be someone could be saying, you could be using a part of something, like you'd say, this does this, but the reason why it can't so itself out is because there's also this, that, that happening.

2:25:44So, you might say the one thing only, and that's misinformation. Okay. That's called making a case, right? Hmm. Yeah. Well, disinformation refers to false information. False information tended to manipulate, cause damage, or guide people. Organizations and countries in the wrong direction. I love that. Wrong direction. That's pretty or well, Ian. Yeah. Malinformation refers to information that stems from the truth, but it's often exaggerated in a way that misleads and causes potential harm. Oh, you mean like climate change? Well, I guess that kind of malinformation then, like a lot of the discourse on climate change, like if you go back to an inconvenient truth, would that be considered malinformation?

2:26:27So there, so there, okay, so this is actually something I did not know. Malinformation is defined as intent, as meant to cause harm. Okay. Harm to who? Like, like the information I shared was intent to cause harm to Pfizer's profits. Right. Okay. That you could just sigh that that's malinformation. Right. That's you're trying to cause harm, which is just bonkers. Right. So, so this is why, you know, so we, so next, so I filed a Barenson V Biden in April, the Pfizer and the Justice Department and Andy Slavitt, his lawyer, that there are three separate motions to dismiss that came back about three weeks ago.

2:27:07We now have to file our responses, which we do in October. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court is going to hear the Missouri V Biden appeal, which is of course of great importance to my case too, because if the Supreme Court says that some of the people in my case violated the First Amendment, obviously we're going to say to the judge in my case, look, look what the Supreme Court just ruled, you know, this is, you know, a very powerful ruling from our point of view. So we'll see what happens. Interesting. It's a very important case, you know, as is the case, was it Missouri, the case? Yes. Where they said that the federal government is no longer allowed to explain that.

2:27:50So, okay, so so this is it. Yes, there's another case that came out of Texas. So Texas said, Texas passed a law saying that Twitter and the really big social media companies can't censor content. They have to allow all content. And the company sued and said, that violates our First Amendment rights. We have to be allowed to choose what we're going to carry or not. Now, now their defense though isn't part of that because of advertisers revenue. Yeah, like that's the big thing that's the wasn't that the discussion that was going on recently about the Facebook ad fallout. Yes. That's companies come to them and they say unless you police your website, you can no longer have our advertise.

2:28:30So I honestly, this is a very complicated question legally, okay, because the companies do want to be able to curate content. They want, you know, if you're a business, it's a business that's right and they want engagement so they want to show you stuff that you want to see, especially Facebook, that's their model. So that if you're going to regulate these guys like telephone companies, basically what you're going to say is everything that everybody posts has to be allowed. And I can see the arguments on both sides of that. My case and the Missouri V Biden case are to me, they're very different and the reason is we're not saying, hey, Facebook or Twitter, you have to carry everything.

2:29:08We're saying the government can't tell you what to carry and not to carry. The Texas case, the separate case, this third case, that says you guys have to carry everything. That's where it gets weird. That's where it gets weird. Yes. Because then you have to decide, okay, are these social media platforms, are they a town hall that everyone should be able to participate in or are they a private company that can dictate what's on their platform, especially if not doing so hurts their financial bottom line? That's right. And I think that's a hard question. Again, are they, you know, the AT &T, if you make a phone call, they don't get to, you know, you can say racist, anti -Semit, whatever you want to say, like they carry your phone call.

2:29:50Yeah, that's what's interesting is like, would if there was no stepping in, would the market figure it out? Like, would sites like Rumble or these other social media platforms that choose not to moderate that heavily? Right. Would they rise now? You know, a lot of people thought that was going to happen with threads, right? Like, people were tired of all the hate speech that was on Twitter and now X, and they said, you know what, we're going to go over to threads. Yeah. But it didn't work. People seem to want a more open platform. They want Twitter. Well, they don't want, they don't want to have a established followers and all this stuff over there.

2:30:29And it's just, it was convenient to bitch over there. So many people are like, I'm out of here. And they do work it out. No, no, no, no. Bitch, you post every day. That's right. That's right. No, Twitter, for whatever reason, we don't seem to be able to quit Twitter. It's very powerful. It's also people that don't like the fact that Elon Musk bought it. Yeah. Because it seems so outrageous. It's got to just spend $44 billion to own Twitter. Like, what a nut. What? But you got to get them back on. Oh, yeah. I'd love to. I'm paying for it. Might be a not a fun idea. No, I don't know. That seems odd.

2:31:02It seems odd. I think for everybody, I mean. Yeah. Everybody has to pay. That's what he's saying now. I wonder how much that would cost. I presume he charged a dollar or two a month. Who knows if it's going to, if he's going to do it. If you could just watch ads to pay for your monthly thing, that's a way to pay for it back. But yeah. Wild. What a time. I'm happy to pay my eight bucks. That's fine. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I pay. I just feel like I'm using it. Yeah. It's a resource. I learned so much on it. There's so many articles that I find that I never would have found so many really fascinating things about everything, about space, ancient history.

2:31:36Like so many things that I find down Twitter. Or X now. It's. Can we, can we, can we, can we not call it X? It's Twitter. It's I'm never going to forget. No, it's always going to be Twitter. But I guess eventually. But just like all right, without Twitter, like I wouldn't have had the voice that I had, right? And so and and I think that's a good, I mean, I think it's good that that that it exists. Well, the crazy thing is you got back on Twitter before you even bought it. Yeah, I did. I sued my one back on. That's right. Which is bananas that you won court against Twitter. Against Twitter. Well now, now, but now I'm going up against Pfizer and the government.

2:32:13I just decided to take it up another level. Yeah, you're a maniac. Just blood and forepunishment. Stress. Geez. I got a good lawyer. I believe you. That's why I don't want to interview any more presidential candidates. I don't even want to be a part of this cookiness. I wanted to talk to Robert Kennedy Jr. because I read his book and I was fascinated. Did you interview, did you interview DeSantis or VVAC or any of those guys? No, none of them. I interviewed Bernie back in the day in Tulsi and Andrew Yang. I'd like to all them. I mean, I like people with ideas that are you know, non corporate ideas.

2:32:47I just don't know if we'd ever work. This is the thing that if I was ever going to talk to Trump, the one question I really want to know is, what is it like when you get in there? Like what is that like? What is that day like? What does it feel like when you're just running the show? Like what the fuck happens? Who talks to you? I guess you couldn't even tell me, right? Because you want to be president again. Like what do they say? How do you fucking... How do you pay attention to everything? The idea that one person is in charge of the whole thing is just so nuts. I don't know how you can do that.

2:33:22He didn't... That's funny because I don't see him as having a problem with that part of it. But I would, you know, like we have this illusion of what it's like. You know, the old Bill Hicks joke. They bring you into a room full of guy smoke and cigars. And they show you a video of the angle of presidential Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before. And then they go, any questions? And you're like, yeah, what's my agenda? It's like, what happens when you get in there? Right. Like, how much power do you really have? Like, what is that? What is reality like versus perception? I'd be interested in hearing that.

2:34:04But you'd have to listen to a lot of other stuff. I'd listen to a lot of other stuff. I'm willing to listen to stuff. I'm curious. But yeah. I'll tell you who you'll never have on. It's Biden. They wouldn't let him near you. That'll be fascinating. I would feel bad. I would feel bad. Just because if, you know, he's a human being. He's a human being. Regardless of his past, he's in a declining state. It's obvious. Yes. And that's just, you know, just what it is. He's too old to be the president of the United States. So who do they run? Do you think if he doesn't make it, do they run Gavin Newsom?

2:34:39Because he said no, Kamala Harris would take the spot. I mean, Newsom certainly fits the role. Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer, you know, like I don't like either of them, but they certainly are viable candidates. But you'd have to get someone who's popular enough to defeat Trump and who is strong enough of a politician. And that's where I think Newsom steps in. I mean, he looks like a president. He's tall, handsome, yeah. A strong personality. He's very articulate like the way he lays things out. He knows that a steamroll you with facts and statistics that and even if they're true. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

2:35:12No, he's a politician. Yeah, yeah, it's a really good one. Yeah, so that's that's probably who I would imagine they would run even though California is a mess. But California, I think would have been a mess with anybody running it during COVID. I think it was a fucking disaster. As soon as you start the lockdowns, you let people camp in the streets and you fucking the crime shit and the being lenient on bail. Yes, whole boy. Yes. The defund the police. Oh boy. Yeah, it's a mess. Like cleaning that up. Boy, I do not envy anybody there. There are viable democratic candidates. I get I knew some Whitmer, not Cuomo anymore.

2:35:49I mean, I guess. I guess to start from right now. Yeah, they'd have to already be out there in the camp, paint, because people have to really get to know them. And to like we're in September of 2023. We only got a year left. Yeah, no, it's right. And it is funny with with with DeSantis. You know, I really like the way he handled Florida during COVID. I think he's smart. But he is not connected with the voters at all. People don't seem to like him. Also, as soon as he's running against Trump, the Trump or or bust people are not on board. Yeah, because then he becomes the enemy. That's just a sizable chunk of the opposition.

2:36:24Yeah. The people that are in opposition to the current party, there's a sizable trunk trunk, trunk rather are Trump loyalists. Yeah. And if you go against that, like that's just not a good strategy. It's just like I understand you want to be president, but like you see the landscape. If Mike Tyson is the champ and you know, you're just coming out of the Olympics, wait a few years bro. Get some fights under your belts. You know, like that guy is just kind of unstoppable. Trump has, there's some magnetism he has for all these people. Yeah, it's I don't I don't understand it, but it's real. You know, you're not supposed to say it.

2:37:05Because you're supposed to be in opposition of you, hate him and all this stuff, but it's clearly obvious. So he's got like this cult of personality that they don't have. It's like he's a giant figure. Yeah. When you see when he showed up at the UFC in Miami, it was bananas. Oh, so you've that's right. You've seen him up close. Yeah. So first of all, I've shook his hand on multiple two two occasions now. He has regular size hands. So all that is crazy. All that's crazy because I have pretty big hands. He has regular size hands. And I was like, this is crazy. All these years, they mocked him for having little hands.

2:37:38He doesn't have little hands at all. That's so strange. That's great. And by the way, how gross to mock someone for something they were born with. That's so anti liberal and anti progressive. Like why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? That's funny. That's such a crazy thing to do. Like the one thing that he can't control, what about his personality? What about all the things he says? If you want to get mad at him, get mad at him for the things that you're really changeable. But so okay, he's got the normal size hands. So does he have this magnetism? Well, he's very, very, very famous.

2:38:11And part of people's dissatisfaction with the current regime. Especially people's dissatisfaction. If you see Biden's state of decline, regardless of how you feel about the policies, most people aren't even engaged. They don't even understand what's going on. Whether or not it's beneficial to people, whether or not there are more jobs and whether or not the economy's moved. Because there's arguments that it is moving in a good direction. There's arguments that some of the policies work. But they look at him as a figurehead and they say this is bad. And then they really believe. Because he said it so many times that the election was rigged.

2:38:42They really believe it. I saw a lot of them really believe it. It's like I wasn't asked and this lady, she's like, I'm a big fan of yours like this, grandma lady. I said, thank you. And you know that Trump's our president. I go, well, actually he's not. Because president is Biden. If you can Google it, you can find out. He's like, oh, they got to you. I go, oh, no, they didn't get to me. I just like, he's actually in the White House. Like, he won. Yeah, I don't know if he won. You don't know if he won. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying he's definitely in the White House. Yes. Now, whether or not there's any election manipulation, I am not the one to fucking come to for any of that.

2:39:19But I would guarantee you that it's not zero. I would guarantee you that in the course of human history there's probably never been an election where there's zero election fraud. There's always some monkey business going on. But I've seen no evidence. I mean, maybe they'll show it if this trial comes about that shows that he should, maybe I should go seek it out. My line about this, and I'm going to stick with this, is that he lost unfair in square. In other words, the media was against him. When people responding to this idea that corporate America was against him, that everybody in power, including a lot of Republicans, I think, wanted him out.

2:39:58They couldn't stand to it. That's what they couldn't stand to anymore. So, but that is different than the election was manipulated and votes were taken. Right. And then the dominion stuff, but the voting issue, it's like horseshit. Yeah, it seems like it's really hard to sort out too. Because there's so many different cases and so many different states. No, there's not as hard to sort out there. But I don't mean about that. I don't mean that. What I'm saying is like, it's when you are tallying, mail -in votes, digital votes, all these different things, and they have projections for these places.

2:40:36One of the things that Kyle Kinsbury showed me, or excuse me, Kyle Kylinsky. Jesus. Hi, Kyle Kinsbury. Long time, buddy. Kyle Kylinsky showed me, is that when we had him on during the election, and he accurately predicted. He said, yes, Trump is winning because these are the people that show up first. But you're going to see the Democratic surge for the mail -ins when they count those. And that's exactly what happens. Because he's very politically aware. He understands how it works. I don't dispute any of that. What I'm saying is, it would be wonderful if we had a system where it was bulletproof.

2:41:14It would be wonderful if we had a system where it was impossible to have anything other than 0 % election fraud. I don't know if that's even realistic. Oh, I'll go crazy. But if we did, but we can bank on our phones. That's right. We can bank on the internet. There's like federal IDs that are connected to you. And this idea that IDs for voting is somehow racist is so bananas. I agree with that. This is, that's what I mean. I mean, like, there was a documentary that HBO had on in a fucking, like the early 90s called Hacking Democracy. Do you remember that? It was during the Bush administration.

2:41:51And they were making this argument that Bush didn't really win. And they were making this argument that you could manipulate the voting machine. So they actually, this was a die -bold machine, I believe. And they actually showed that it was somehow or another. There was, it was available for a third party input. And they did it on the show and changed a vote on the show. It was like, oh my God. But it was about the Republicans. Right. It's all okay to... All right. So now I'm going to play the other side here. Some of these sentences that have been handed out in the January 6 cases are insane.

2:42:22It's wild. It's 20 years. 17 years? The 22 years that guy wasn't even in... He wasn't at the Capitol at the time. He's getting a terrorism enhancement. I mean, come on. Yeah. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. I'm not saying that like, I'm not defending what happened. I know he's in. But, you know, a year, two years, three years, maybe five years, like, that's a pretty long prison sentence. Yeah. For non -violence stuff. I think they want to make sure that people never do it again. Yes. Which is probably a good thing. But also, how did it happen? I'm like, why wasn't there more security there?

2:42:59What was up with cops opening up the gates? Did you ever see some of that? Yeah. I mean, my, my, my understanding, and I've not paid super close attention. My understanding is they basically just got overrun and decided to back off. Interesting. Which is, which is a legitimate like, military sort of police response? Sure. And I don't think those people were in opposition to the police. And they're probably worried about the police's safety since they were vastly outnumbered. I think there were some of that, right? But also, it's super legal to get into the capital. That, too. Don't do that. That's right.

2:43:27Like, when you got Alex Jones out there with a bullhorn saying, don't go in. And, you know, when that Alex Jones is the voice of reason. That's not a good sign. But he was right. We say it's a trap. And it is. It ultimately it is. You know, and ultimately, also, they did break the windows. They did climb into the ditch. No, I can't, they should be in jail. But 20, 20 years, the long time. But the weird one is that guy with the buffalo hat, were they like leading him around a tour? It's just like, how come he didn't show that part? Yeah. That part's crazy. You guys were leading him around a tour.

2:43:58Yes. Yes. It's all what a mess. What a mess. Yeah. Also, don't do that. Also, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't ever do that. Don't ever do that. But there's guys there were going in there with zip ties looking for an anti -policy. Yeah, that was bad, too. Jesus Christ. The guy that has foot on the desk. He took a photo of himself. Hey, bro, how do you think that's going to turn out? He's fucking crazy. But that's the thing they're not thinking. These people aren't thinking. And they really do. That's also the problem if you've been told, and this is the argument against what Trump did, right, was that if you've been told the election is rigged, and you're not showing like clear evidence of it, you're just putting that narrative out there.

2:44:35Now people, they operate as if their country's been taken over, and they think they're patriots. That's right. And they think there's almost like a god -given, not a right, but an imperative to do something. No, then Trump would Trump behaved in a disgusting way. Look, when your own vice president says it, you know, Mike Pence basically did everything Trump asked of him for four years, okay? And he's come out and said Trump behaved in the wrong way. I think you gotta acknowledge that. But you could go back to your point. There's a large group of people in the Republican Party for whom Trump is basically a god.

2:45:14And they will not acknowledge it. Yeah, they won't. They're scared of them. You know, he's the big booming figure that's at the head of the fucking pack. You know, and it's just, man, it's so polarizing for the country. It's just, I wish there was two people that we respected. You know, or even one. Or one. Just two people that, you know, like, hey, I don't agree with this policy is about this and that, but I think he's a good person, and I think he's really got the best interest of the country in mind. And who knows maybe their policies are correct. Who knows maybe his policies are correct. Let's find out.

2:45:48But instead of it, it's like hell in a hand basket, no matter which way it goes. And then my god, what if Biden wins again and beats Trump? And then it is 86. And four years. And what if people just like don't believe it's real again? And it gets worse than January 6th, right? What if that happens? What if people, what if Trump wins? And people decide the government has been overcome by fascists. And we have to wage war on the infrastructure and blow up fucking generators and kill the grid. And I mean, people are your depressing, you're playing the role of the liberal parent with the climate change.

2:46:27Well, I'm just looking at this precarious position in which we stand while we're also involved in a proxy war with Russia. It's bananas. It scares the shit out of me. You know, and we were so scared of it that we'd rather concentrate on things like climate change. Like it's almost like we'd rather concentrate on things that are not as terrifying, like, immediately. Like in the distance, it's going to be a real problem. We can focus on it now. It's like, got our choices. Just don't get your kids vaccinated with the mRNAs. The other vaccines find don't get your kids vaccinated with the COVID vaccines.

2:47:04It's not good for them. Yeah, and take some vitamins. Be sure to take some vitamins. Please exercise a little bit. It's not going to kill you. That's it. It's a good place to end. Yeah, I think so. Thank you. And thank you for having the courage to talk about this stuff. I mean, it's amazing that a lot of the things that you got in trouble with early in the pandemic are now absolutely regarded as fact and discussed openly in mainstream circles. Like Dr. Lena Wen was on CNN, which is the most mainstream thing out there. And she was saying that the estimates of COVID deaths was probably actually 30 % of what was reported, which is a crazy thing.

2:47:44When she said it, you can see the look on the people's face, like, what the fuck is she saying? Because there's a lot of discussion now about the lab leak. It's like it's commonplace to discuss it. It's commonplace to discuss the pros and cons of gain -of -function research. Yeah. You know, the most people are currently aware that cloth masks don't work at all. Yep. Most people are currently aware. When was the last time you heard the phrase test and trace? Right? I don't remember the word social distancing. I don't know how to drove me nuts. That one drove me nuts. And everybody agrees that school closures, I mean, that one, we all agree.

2:48:20Disaster should never happen again. Shouldn't happen again. I was talking about that. If there's one thing I'm proud of, I was talking about that in April of 2020. Yeah. The schools need to be reopened. So yeah. And they were in some places. Yeah, we're down here. That's what's crazy. You know, what's crazy is we have examples of Florida and Texas and a lot of other places where they just opened up. Yeah. And they didn't have worse, I mean, even though like, look, we're in a bad state in terms of like the health of this country. Like the people are not that healthy. And wasn't that one of the arguments in one of your substacks recently?

2:48:55Yeah. So, so the argument, this is just today, these epidemiologists wrote, well, that we have a different rules about the new COVID boosters in other countries because we are sicker than other countries. So we have to give people more mRNA. And it's like, so wait, your argument is, you are public health establishment and medical care is so bad that we have to give people, we are giving people advice that other countries aren't giving them that have better outcomes. And you want us to take our advice? Maybe, maybe we should listen to the other countries where things are going better for a change.

2:49:28Maybe, maybe instead of trying to medicate our way out of every problem, we should just help people go for a walk. I mean, this was one of the things about lockdowns way back in 2020, right? This is a disease that it hurts people who are obese or morbidly obese the most. So maybe the solution is not to have them sit on their asses for another six months. There's also been some real data about vitamin D. Yep. And real data about how many people it could have helped. Yep. So it's been a long three years. But what's so depressing, just sort of this last thing, I'm like, they don't seem to learn anything.

2:50:07That's what the last week taught me. That's why I feel like I can't stop talking about it. They're doubling down. Even as the rest of the world is realizing, you know what, COVID is not a big deal. We need to, you know, reserve these vaccines for people who are at really high risk. The US will not let it go. At least the US public health establishment will not let it go. And the truth is, 98 % of the country isn't going to listen to them. But it's still important to point out that they're full of it. We have to keep doing that. Well, thank you for doing that. Thanks, you appreciate you. You're out there telling the truth.

2:50:44And, you know, in the beginning, you took a lot of shit for it. You really did. And a lot of people are in apology. Well, they're not giving it to me. Well, they don't have to. You got it. I mean, you deserve it. You know you do. Thanks, Joe. Thank you. All right. All right, bye everybody.