#2040 - Eddie Bravo

26:16He's a fan of fights. He just thinks that for whatever reason, the kickboxing never caught on in America. And I think it's because of that PKA Karate shit that they have in the 1980s. But dudes were wearing fucking long pants. They couldn't kick the legs. It's a different sport, man. And there were some great fighters that came out of that. Guys like Rick Rufus. But it's just... It's a different sport. If you look at the fights on one FC, and you look at the fights, and, you know, like the classic K1 fights, like, my God, how is that not exciting? It's so exciting. And if they have a fight with the little gloves on, like K1 does, or like a one FC does, if Dana decided to get behind that, God, it would be huge.

26:57Moitai. UFC Moitai. Now, um, fuck yeah. Dana, I'll commentate. Do you think... Let's go, I'll promote it. Do you think, um, tournaments are still possible? I mean, tournaments with... Because tournaments aren't possible in MMA, because they say it's too brutal. But kickboxing is way more brutal. Well, you're meant to win more. Let's see Joe Schilling fight in LA. Yes. Last man standing, like, Laurie, but I think Joe fought three times that night, which is crazy for a kickboxing fight. Yeah. He fought Artym Levin, who else did he fight? He fought, uh... God, I remember who he fought. I don't remember everybody he fought that night.

27:39But God, damn, that was a war. That was crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I remember meeting Gene Simmons there. Oh, yeah! And the first time I met him, I embarrassed myself. He told us the story. So I was like, I'm gonna be cool this time. He probably didn't remember luckily. No. That guy's met a billion people. Oh, dude. Come on, man. You want a little cigar? Sure. Ron White gives me these. They're little baby cigars. Yeah. I'm not a big cigar guy, but it's... They're like, they're basically like a cigarette. You don't have to have that, right? No, you just pop on it. Just take a little puff.

28:17What do you think of... Bare knuckle. Um, I love it. I love what Jorge Mazvidol's doing. That Bare knuckle MMA fights. Yeah. I love it. That's what I think MMA should have been all along. Yeah. Why can you have bare elbows? Why can you have bare knees? Bare shins? A shin to the face? Yeah. Is okay. But you have to protect your knuckles. The only thing that does is prevent cuts. And one thing it also does is protect your hands. Because you can't really go off like you can with bare... Like bare knuckle guys are more... They're more cautious about where they hit. Yeah. They're more precise. They have to be more precise.

28:58They break their hands. I think on paper, bare knuckle is way better than like traditional boxing. You know, can you imagine? I mean, if you asked... If you did a poll and you asked if... What would you rather watch? Uh... Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao 4, or whatever it is, Bare Knuckle or regular boxing. I bet most people would say Bare Knuckle. Well, a lot of people that go over to Bare Knuckle are surprised at like how little protection you have and how much it hurts. Like, that's where Mike Perry fucking shines. How's he doing right now? Killing it. He's killing it. Fucked up Luke Rock Holden's last fight, made him quit.

29:38Knocked his teeth out. He moves like enough. Dude. He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal. It gives you your tough, and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry. He's like uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting. Because he's just such a fucking savage. He's willing to kill or be killed. Like legitimately. He's not... He's no fear. He goes in there, kill or be killed. And he's good, man. He knows how to fight bare knuckle. He's clever. Who do you think, and that's currently in the UFC, is probably gonna end up doing great in bare knuckle? That's a good question.

30:12Chris Kamosi just fought. He just fought that dude, the juggernaut, who's the, I believe, the Midoway champion in bare knuckle upcy, and the juggernaut beat him. It's... The thing about it is, man, it's different. It's just different. When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs, and knuckles in your face, it fucking hurts more. It's more dangerous. Yeah. Cuts you up way more. He's losing teeth. You get hit with a knuckle right here. That, too, it's gone, son. Even with, like, the highest level of mouth guards. It helps a little, but really, you'd probably need a crazy thick mouth guard.

30:46You probably need something different. But even then, it's knuckles. You're getting that bone of a boni -ass knuckle, and it's going right here. It's gonna fuck your teeth up, man. Now, K1, they don't allow you to do the plum clenching. Hold your head and throw multiple knees. You could only hold it like real quick. What do you think about that? I don't think that's the way to go. I think that was... One, they allow them to hold the clench longer. Yeah. One is more tie. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually, I have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me.

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32:07It's authentically American representing uncompromising quality for the rugged, the powerful, and the passionate. Tap the banner to learn more or visit buffalotracedustillery .com. That's buffalotracedustillery .com. Distilled, aged, and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent, and perfectly untamed. Like that fight, that was more tied. They can clinch, they can elbow. I want them to be able to use everything. All the tools, all the weapons. And let them do it with those little gloves, too. You know, because the big gloves, the thing about the big gloves is you can offer a shield.

32:53Like, if you ever watch Bauder -Harrie fight, he fights like this. So it's a shield, right? You have this big 10 ounce glove that covers, it's cushioned, and you're fighting like this. Like an Alster, when an Alster was fighting in K1, they all fought like this. But you can't do that with those little gloves, because a little glove sneak around. And you can't do that even more so with bare knuckle. Because bare knuckle really sneaks around. There's no protection. You'll just slide off the fist right into your face. Exactly. And Mike Perry has developed a style where he holds his hands like real rigid like this.

33:25It's different. Like, he's adapted to bare knuckle. And he also has had several fights. So he knows what to expect. So if you're Luke Rockold, and you're fighting Mike Perry, this is your first bare knuckle fight, you never fought bare knuckle. Because you certainly don't have fucking training bare knuckle. Like, you can train MMA with MMA gloves on, right? You can't really train bare knuckle, right? You gotta wear gloves. So that first experience, you're getting a knuckle in your eyeball, and a knuckle on your nose, where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face. It's a different experience.

33:58Yeah, man. There's so many different sports now, fighting sports, you know. There's so many. There's a bare knuckle, regular boxing. Even regular collegiate wrestling is getting bigger, you know. That's getting bigger. People are starting to wonder, I'm watching. I never really watched wrestling, but now I'm watching. I didn't realize, and I wrestled a couple years, and I didn't realize how fucking, how much it evolved. There's so much shit in wrestling, dude. There's so much shit. It's like everything else. Yeah, all the other things. It's like everything else. All the combat sports evolve. Yeah, there's just so many different ways, two bodies that are clenched up and mangled up can go.

34:43And do, it's just, it's so crazy. It is crazy. Yeah, that mean, they're so technical now. Guys are so good. Well, you know, my favorite shit, combat jujitsu, man. I'm not doing, I'm not promoting combat jujitsu because someone has a gun to my head, you know what I mean? I'm putting it, I'm trying to create, or just take what has worked, like the 16 -man tournament, that's the best shit. 16 -man tournament, that was UFC 2. 16 -man, that's why everybody got hooked to the UFC. In combat jujitsu, it's great. 16 -man tournament is a super fight, factory. It just makes the super, it's just like, and it's a, you don't have to know any of the fighters.

35:25Nobody knew anybody from the UFC. UFC 2? I didn't know anybody, but the boxer, a kung fu guy. You see a guy who wins the first round, and then you go, you're excited. You just got to pay attention to the first round and accept that you don't even know, you don't know these guys. And know that by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know these guys very well. Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back, old school, like bare knuckle, old school, you go where a gi, do whatever the fuck you want. 16 -man tournament. 16 -man tournament, no way classes. Remember the Russian one that was 32, man?

35:57No. Dude, there was a Russian one, an Igor Volchenshin one that one. Of course he did. Remember that shit? I love that guy. And he fought that huge Brazilian, they called him Ricardo Morais. He was like a cross. Six and Gracie's guy. Yeah, he's like six, eight. Juh! And he got to the finals against Igor Volchenshin. And to be honest, maybe the Brazilian one, and it's hard to, you know what, it wasn't Igor Volchenshin. It was a guy named Mikhail Sumpham. God damn it, it was so long ago. Igor Volchenshin looked like he was supposed to be like six foot six, but they cut his arms off here. Yeah. And put a fist there.

36:42Yeah. Like his forearms were so thick. Remember how thick that dude was? Yeah. He was so thick. And he went, fuck people up. His legs, oak tree legs. Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out, cold? Francisco Bueno. Yeah. Dude, that's probably stuff. The Francisco Bueno. Find that. Igor Volchenshin versus Francisco Bueno. Yeah. It was ruthless. Igor was a monster. And what Igor had, he was a kickboxer with power in his hands. He was vicious. He was like 5 '11 and 5 '11 wide. And everybody wanted to take him to the ground. 5 '8. Yeah, 5 '8. Everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Nobody wanted to stand with him.

37:28No. But the thing that Igor had was, he didn't really have a wide, varay of offensive techniques with Jiu -Jitsu, but he did have a good guard recovery and he keeps you in full guard and survives. Look at that. Boom! Oh my god. Show that again. Boom! Boom, boom! He hit him three times while he was out cold. Left hook, right hand on the chin. And then as he's going down, bang! Bang! Oh my god. Dude, face blended. Is this Igor when he was younger? Oh my god. There's not - That's the tournament. This is the one I'm talking about, I think. Wow. That's how they should do it. No cake. Back up. See how they did that?

38:14That is my fucking dream. That's what they should do, man. That is how they should have MMA. That's how we do combat Jiu -Jitsu. That's how they should have MMA. And you know that karate combat? I like that too. No one wants to back up. You know what I mean? Right. Because they fall. Right. You have a chance for a man. And the thing about Igor of Chanshin is check this out. This was all like in the 2000 - I'm a purple belt. And I'm commentating for King of the Cage, right? And that was when you get soccer kicked to the head, dude. Pride days. Yeah. Boom. And I commentated Pride 10 and 11. And I got to meet Mark Kerr, right?

39:01Mark Kerr incredible. I mean, his story is incredible. He wrestled in college at a high level. He looked a little like fucking Miles Garrett. Mark Kerr, that was his nickname, the specimen. And the smashing machine. Right. Remember his story? Oh yeah, man. That story was... I had Kurt Angle on the podcast here the day. Yeah. Kurt was talking about how good Mark Kerr was as a wrestler. Hell yeah. And Mark Kerr told me, because I got to hang out with him at Pride 10, and we were hanging out in McDonald's, and we were just fucking shooting the shit. And he said, he told me the whole, his whole story.

39:39Like wrestlers were telling him to do the UFC back like in the late 90s. And go, dude, look at Mark Coleman, wrestlers go in there and they just fuck everybody up. You should do it. You should do it. They were trying to talk him in. I was like, dude, I'm not a fighter like that. And he just didn't have that... Mean violence. Yeah. Super nice guy. Super nice guy. And they twisted his arm and he was going to do a UFC and then he backed out. He was like, he said he goes, dude, it's just too frightening. So then he got offered to do an eight man tournament in Brazil in the middle of nowhere. Before the internet or anything.

40:12So he said, you know what? I'm going to go try this thing in Brazil. And if I get fucked up, nobody's going to know about it and I'll just dip out, you know what I mean. And so he went down there and fucking destroyed. He ended up in the finals. It was Baronucle. Baronucle, Valletudo, MMA, old school, in a ring, no cage. And in the finals, he fought Fabio Giorgio. Was it Fabio Giorgio? It was Fabio Giorgio. I'm pretty sure it was him. And dude, he was just in his guard the whole time. Never tried to pass. He was just in his guard in the corner and just head budding and throw him fucking Baronucles.

40:53And he cut, he won. And the Brazilian just thought he was a monster. They called them like the smashing machine in Portuguese, which is like, makina destroyer. So something like that. I don't know what it would. But anyways, so he said he goes after the after the fight, my hands are all cut up. They're all fucked up. They got infected. I went to the, I was in the hospital. He got in those. Yeah, you get teeth in your hands. Yeah, he got all fucked up. He was in the hospital with like some kind of fucking sickness and shit. And then the promoter, uh, taxed him way more than he thought. He was like, I'll never do this again.

41:32This was the worst fucking experience of my life, even though he won. Even though he won. It was the worst experience of his life. He don't ever want to do it. It was, he was in the hospital. They fucked him on cash and all that shit. But then when he got back and on the internet was just you, you'd have like little fucking news pages. And he would, then he saw the magazine of him on the cover of the magazine. He's looking like a destroyer. Yeah. A Brazilian magazine. And then that's what said, that's what got him to jump in 100%. Do you remember when he tapped Dan Bobish with a chin to the eye socket?

42:05With that, I was at the UFC. Yeah. He got a hold of him. He got inside control. We played it the other day. He stuck his chin and Dan, you know, he had that big ass chin. Yeah. He stuck his chin and Dan Bobish's eye socket and just fucking, he just back up his chin. And he was fucking eye socket. He tapped him with that. I'm like, how come no one's done that since? That's a pretty wild move. And I was telling him, I, and this is what I tell all high level wrestlers, even like low level wrestlers, you're a wrestler. You need to approach grappling, not, not in the sense where you want to beat Jiu -Jitsu.

42:41Like, these guys can't take me down. You know, Jiu -Jitsu guys can't take me down. And all that box them, they can't box me. Okay, okay. But what about the guys that can box? Like kickboxers, you're going to have to take them down, right? Like, when you fight a kickboxer, you're going to have to take him down. You're going to have to learn how to pass the guard and get, and I would tell him to go do just get really good at passing the guard, holding side control, submissions from side control, mound, get, have a death mound. You need a death mound. Arm bars, rear naked chokes, you got to get good at passing the guard, Mark.

43:11And he said, it just takes too much energy, man. It takes to, I'd rather just sit in the guard and just fucking pound. I'm like, there's going to be guys that are going to tie you up and you're not going to be able to ground them, you can't ground them pound everybody. Some people you can, but some guys have a good defense of guard. And a lot of wrestlers would say that, too. It wasn't just Mark, they didn't want to pass the guard. They wanted to beat Jiu -Jitsu. I'll just stay in the guard. So Coleman always did. Yeah. Yeah, headbutt of dudes, punch them in the head, in the guard. Yeah. Yeah.

43:38So, and then he fights Igor Vovchenchen. Yeah. He takes Igor Vovchenchen a couple times, two, three, maybe four times during that fight. But he can't pass his guard. And Igor Vovchenchen has a great chin. He's a kickboxer. So little ground and pound strikes aren't going to affect him that much. He's not going to freak out. And he had a really good close guard and he would hold and he would tie up. And then they would stand him up. And now he got to take him down again. This is in Brazil. This is Mark Kermber, Brazil right there. Wow. This is the final. Is that Fabio Jiu -Jiu? Who was Marcelo Garcia's instructor?

44:18It's he. I'll show you his dance up. It looks like they stay like this for a whole time. Interesting. That's the back one, Pedro. Yeah, that's Fabio. That's some Pedro. Hiso was fighting too. And remember the Pedro too? Yeah. Do you remember when Gary Goodrich reached into the Pedro shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed him? Yeah. Yeah. You can grab balls. Can you find Igor Vovchenchen, Mark Kermber from Pride? And you'll see that he was able to take down Igor Vovchenchen relatively easy, but he couldn't pass his guard and couldn't finish him. And then eventually after a couple stand -ups, he was tired and he couldn't take him down no more.

45:00And then, you know, strikers light up. They smell blood, you know what I mean? And then he, I think it was TKO. I'm not to share what kind of strike it was that ended the fight, but it was a, it was a flurry. And that right there, Jiu -Jiu, it was like, man, all the best grapplers, not all of them, but a large percentage of the best Jiu -Jitsu guys in the US are wrestlers that fell in love with Jiu -Jitsu and got really good at guard passing, taking backs, mounting. Igor had fucking hammers for a fist. Yeah, there was no way he wanted to stand with Igor. No. He did throw down a little bit. Yeah.

45:45There was a little short right hand. And then boom, he knocked him down here. Yeah. Yeah, I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down. He keeps taking him down, but he can't finish him. He's not even just tying him up. Yeah, he's not attempting to pass his guard. He basically didn't like passing guard. He didn't, he didn't want to develop any guard passing skills. He liked just staying in guards and throwing down, but looking out, Igor just wraps him up. And not only does he have a good guard and he's wrapping him up, but like I said, he's a kickboxer. He's used to taking punishment.

46:20Like if he had like a wrestler like this or a Jiu -Jitsu guy, they're not, I mean, he did come up. But they're not gonna. But he's also tired. This was also, this was during the smashing machine. And so this was when Mark was already going through his addiction, too, man. Damn, battle right now. Oh, yeah, it was a big right hand. Big right hand. This is such a brutal fight. Ooh, there it is. Look at his traps, dude. So you damn. I talked to Ensign about fighting Igor and he said it was like getting hit by a car. He goes like, he's getting hit by a car over and over and over again. He goes, it was just boom, boom.

47:03This was back in the 10 -minute round days, which I loved. I loved the 10 -minute first round. I think the 10 -minute first round was a genius idea because how many guys, like, you know, they just fucking, like Mark's trying some sort of an ankle lock. Dude, that sounded, he almost sounded like an alky right there. But it's like, how many guys would take a guy down at four minutes and twenty seconds and then the round was over? Can we see how it ended? The last flurry. So so many guys would, you know, the UFC, you'd take a guy down in the first round and, you know, you got no time to work. And you worked so hard to get him to the ground and then the next round starts and you're standing up.

47:47Yep. That happens a lot, too. What do you think about the idea of having used, oh, he hit him with the knee to the head on the ground. Look at that knee. Look at the sprawl on that knee. Boom! That's a serious fucking knee right there. What do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round? I'm not opposed to that. I'm not opposed to that at all. Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up. That was it. Oh, that was it, right there. Can you rewind that real quick? Let's see the final shots. It's knees to the ground. Knees on the ground.

48:19That's another thing that I believe in. I don't think you should be able to turtle. I don't think you should be able to turtle. Yeah. And not get need in the head. Yeah. Because that's a legitimate technique. If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? Totally. Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's like, just hanging on to something, you're hanging on to one knee. You got a knee free and his head's right there. But that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you. Can you, can you, can you do that in game, Brad? Do you know? I don't think so.

48:46I think it's unified rules. It's just barrenuckle. I believe that's not unified rules. So that that sounds like they were just, I mean, barrenuckle. Right. Yeah, that's like, seems like there is a controversy of some kind of after because he was complaining in the whole way. And then there's shown some rep, I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but yeah, he got hit and like that. Back of the head or something. I'm not sure. Is that not legal? Did they have like, what is the country about? It looks like interesting. I could go close caption and read it, but this is other parts of the thing I think.

49:18And then how about Mark Coleman in the heavyweight Grand Prix? He, I think he felt he thought Igor Vovcanshin in the final. Did he? And he, I think he, he fucked up with knees from side, from north south. Yeah. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovcanshin, that was in the finals. I think you're right. Of the Grand Prix. And now remember, he won the Grand Prix, right? Mark Coleman did. Yeah, he was a champ. Yeah, I think the knees to the ground, it's a no -brainer. That's a no -brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head?

49:55You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head. It would end so many more fights. So many more fights. How many times have a guy sprauls and the guy's in a turtle and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head? But you can't do it. Yeah. I think that should be legal. You know they're going to bring back 12 -to -6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard anywhere. 12 -to -6 elbows illegal still. Which is the dumbest thing in the world. Are illegal. Did I say illegal? Illegal. In the mount. Like if I'm mounted, you can't go like this. You can't go 12 -to -6, which doesn't make any sense.

50:30But from full guard you can. If I was on my back and full guard. Because it's going 6 -12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yes. But standing you can't do it. So if you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12 -to -6 elbow. That's illegal. And they're going to change that? They're going to change that. Who's behind that? Navitsky talked to me about it. And he said. I know that this is something that you could play in about all the time. And we think we're going to be able to get rid of that. Oh my god. Yeah. It's the dumbest one. Because it's not even a more powerful elbow.

51:01Yeah. It's just they saw. It all came from Big John McCarthy told me this. That in the early days of MMA they would bring this to the athletic commissions. And they said, you can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that. And ice. And ice. They're like, you can't break bricks. Like you could kill somebody if you do that. So they go, okay, no elbow like that. Elbow has to come at an angle. So it can come from, you know, it can't come from 12 to 6. But it can come. It can go 1 to 7. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yeah. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that.

51:35The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow. In my opinion, I believe. I mean, at least as far as I can throw it. Because you're throwing it like a punch. Yeah. And I'm getting my weight into it. If I'm in a ground up position like I've done ground up, I work on it. You know, when you get a heavy weight down, a heavy back down rather. And I'm trying to see like what I could hit the hardest with. You can hit hard like that. But I can hit. It's pretty hard to like that. That fucking boom. You could just gen, it's so much more torque. You got all this snap. And it's also a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that.

52:13It does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think. I mean, you could develop it. But it's just a better, it's a better option to have. You want to be able to have that option to throw that. Because a lot of, if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it. Yeah, I mean, I like what shotry is doing with one. They're allowing, you know, knees on the ground. Gotta allow that. I mean, they're like soccer kicks. I think there was, I'm not sure, I think maybe they, like you can't stomp on their head anymore. I think like, if you have, if you're in a cage and the back your head is.

52:57This is from 2021 when they made rules. Okay, okay, grounded athletes are considered grounded with any weight bearing part of their body other than the salt. What is this from? What rules? This is when Colorado approved new rules for Colorado for one. Okay, this is just for Colorado though. All hands, strikes, including punches, forearms and elbows to the head. Body and let all elbows. Interesting. So that means Colorado said 12 to 6 elbows legal. So that's where I got this from. There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were going to allow knees to the head of a ground opponent.

53:34The 12 to 6 elbow data was in there. Look, it says, need to the head of a grounded opponent is legal. This is Colorado. Wow. Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that, please. Okay. I want to see what else it says. Upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Huh? How could you? You can't up kick to the head. Upkick the head, body and legs of a non grounded opponent are legal. Okay. So you can't, you still can't upkick to a grounded opponent. Which means... But that second to the last one says upkicks to the body and legs to a ground. How are you going to upkick a grounded opponent?

54:16There's a body in the head. But upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. How do you upkick a grounded opponent? If you're on your back, if you're on your back and the guy's on top of you and he's got his knees on the ground, he's grounded. Okay. If you use upkick him in the chest. You can upkick him in the chest. So the body and the legs. But upkicks to the head, body and legs of a non grounded opponent are legal. If they're standing. So if they're standing. So if he's not grounded, he's standing. You can upkick him in the face. I feel like you should be able to upkick a guy to the base if he's on the ground too.

54:48Do you remember that upkick, Oleg Taktara? Hands -o -gracy. Hands -o -gracy. Yeah. That one... That was probably the first one that we saw in a big fight. And there was people thinking, like, oh, lucky, lucky kick. But then, hands -o was saying, no, dude, we practiced this shit dog. We practiced this. And then you saw... Was it Fabio Gershel? Well, upkick Jerry Bowlander, remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bro, guys who are really good kickers, if you get them on their back, they can fuck you up off their back. This is weird. Pouring water is illegal. Yeah, because they don't want you to become slippery.

55:31The cut man will apply Vaseline to the facial area. The problem with that is, once you get Vaseline on a face, that Vaseline... It gets everywhere. It gets everywhere. It gets everywhere.

55:55And as a promoter or producer or someone who owns a fight show, you want as many finishes as possible, whether they're knockouts or submissions. So you'd want... That's why in Compadre Jetsu, we make rash cards mandatory. You got to wear rash cards. We don't want too greasy body. You'd have a whole place like that. I like that. Wear rash cards. Yeah, I like that. We should make you wear a cut top. Yeah. That cuts out greasing. Like the complaint that Gordon Ryan had against Nikki Rodd. Yeah. And then, Felipe Penne said the same thing. He's greased. Yeah. It's like, feel him. Yeah, you make...it's mandatory.

56:36You got to wear a rash card. I mean, ultimately, you know, probably make it... We haven't done it yet, but like, ultimately, if there's a problem with greasing legs and stuff like that, we'll probably make it... We're making it... You have to wear spats. I think spats and rash cards. Yeah. Yeah. Eliminate the greasing. Eliminate it. Because other than that, like, if you tested for greasing, like, that would be so expensive you'd have to... And how could you? The only way you could do it is like, you have... Before you...as you walk in, they swab your back. But the problem is that's not even going to work.

57:08Because you know what guys do. They take a bath in mineral oil. So they lay...that's what Van der Lee's do apparently. Old school shit. Yeah. They take a bath in mineral oil and then they dry off. So if you touch them, they're dry. But then once they start sweating, that oil comes out of the pores. And then they're like, what? It's like trying to have all of a sand. Yeah, so that could only do so much. But you...I mean, if... When they walk in the cage, they should be warm, though. So they should be sweating. So you might be able to... Like, maybe take like a...like a big...like a glove that is made out of like swab motor and just go like down the back like that.

57:43And then test it. You know what it would be like? But that would be expensive as shit. Maybe. You know what it'd be like? Like, you know how like that... I don't even know if this is real. But you know how when people pee in the pool and they have something that shows the pee, you can see it all blue? Is that real? Oh, that's way real. Is it? Hell yeah! That's old shit. I thought that was just like some shopper from movies. I'm a rumor to fuck with kids. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. What do you think it'd be called? There's some chemical. Is there a chemical you could put to show when you're peeing in a pool?

58:14Because there was a video that I saw that looked really fake. It was a bunch of girls that were in a pool together and then one girl. Like, you see all this pee coming out like this blues to everyone's like, oh my god! You dirty bitch! And like, they run away from her because she's peeing in the pool. Yeah, no, that's real. That's for abuse. I don't know if it's real. No, no, no, it's real. I've heard about that. You put a chemical in the pool and when you pee, it turns... You're an indicator dye is a mythical substance that is supposed to be able to react with you're in a form of colored cloud and something pool or hot tub.

58:46It's mythical! Indicating the location of people who are urinating. Oh my god, I thought it was real. I did too. I looked at the lot a couple weeks ago. I thought it was... Like, it doesn't seem like that crazy of a product. It might be like super toxic. Yeah. I mean, you imagine how much of that stuff you'd have to put in the water and then that stuff's in your eyes. But think about how toxic of just a regular swimming pool is. Like, all the chlorine that's in there. Good point. That's got to be horrible for you, right? Bro, you know we played the other day on Protect Our Parks. We were trying to figure out why is there a fluoride in water.

59:20Yeah, that's the oldest... That's the oldest... That's the oldest... That's such an old conspiracy theory. It's a real one. It's a real one. And they literally open up bags of fluoride and dump it into the local drinking water. It's like something you do. Not only that, we played it on Protect Our Parks. We were like trying to figure this out. There's a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in drinking water and low IQs. I believe it. Like 100%. Like, why would they open up sacks of fluoride and put it in the water? You know why? Because you got fluoride and you're trying to sell that shit.

59:58Imagine if you're in the fluoride business and you hear and I was talking like, Shut the fuck up! Because if people stop drinking or putting fluoride in drinking water. And the official reason, and I don't know, this might be bullshit. To the K. Yeah, they're trying to take care of our teeth. Brush your fucking teeth. Yeah. You know what I said? That's like, if some people are getting skin cancer, oh, we're going to put sunscreen and apples. Yeah, safe there. Why would you do that? Where's sunscreen? You can get sunscreen anywhere. Oh, you really care about our teeth that much. You care about our teeth that much.

1:00:31You're sending fucking shipments, like those shipping containers filled with fluoride and these sacks that you open them up. Dumping them into reservoirs. Doesn't make any sense. There are some cities that have stopped it. They get the community gets together. They get together. Yeah. That's where it starts, really. That's a weird one, man. That's one that's been around for a long time. By the way, who doesn't brush their fucking teeth? Dude, I didn't go to the dentist for 10 fucking years. For 10 years. I went zero cavities. Yeah. Zero cavities. I don't drink fucking tap water. Yeah. Ever. Never.

1:01:11Ever. I also eat very little sugar and I brush my fucking teeth. Dude, I got in viso wine. So do I. I'm wearing it right now. The first time when I first started wearing it, Tray the truth was on the podcast and he wears a grill and I was like, bro, how do you wear that grill and talk? Because it was fucking with my talking. The first time I've worn it on a podcast, I had to not wear it. I could still hear it a little. Can you hear it, Jamie? No. I thought I looked in your teeth and I'm like, damn, it looks like it has a viso line. But he does it. He would. But you do. I wore that shit all the time too.

1:01:43I'm trying to clean my teeth up, man. Yeah. My lower teeth have been crooked forever and my doctor said it would probably help my sleep apnea. What do you think I'll do? Pretty. It's nice. You got nice teeth, bro. You got a nice beard. I like that beard. I was saying that I shaved my beard before I got here today because I looked too old. I did a music video the other day so I grew up my beard because I played a coyote. I love that video. I love that video. And it's song is hilarious. Yeah. It's a confusing song. I purposely. Yeah. But, yeah, I'll shave it. I just wanted. I never really had a full beard.

1:02:22I'll see what's up for a while. I look like a fucking 93. I know it. You remember when Evan Tanner died and I grew that full beard? We all did. Yeah, Evan Tanner was legend. Legend. Legend. I really liked that kind of man. When he died, it was when I was living in Colorado. And I said, fuck it, man, I'm going my beard. I had a fucking full ass beard. I was a big Evan Tanner fan. He was a big Evan Tanner fan. He was a, he was a, he was a, he had good jujitsu. And back in the day, not that many UFC fighters that were non -Brazilian had good jujitsu. You just didn't see it that much. Right. And he was like one of the first.

1:03:01You remember when he won the Middaway title and he fought Dave Tarell? How did he win? Dave Tarell caught him in a guillotine and almost fucking had him. And he gasped out and Evan Tanner pounded him out. That's how he won the Middaway title. Dave Tarell, man. Beast. God damn, was his jujitsu good. Beast. And still is, I'm sure. He won the very first Elite Leg Lockers. Yeah. Yeah. Elite Leg Lockers. And a fucking animal. And Dave Tarell was one of the, I mean, he was one of the, first pure no -ge pioneers. There was a couple out there. You know, this Chris Brennan, there was Dave Tarell, Eric Paulson.

1:03:39Shout out to Chris Brennan. Yeah. There was, there was like maybe four guys that got their black belt in the guillotine. The decider to go to no guillotine. Deenlister. Deenlister. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. He doesn't really train a guillotine. Bro, you've been a deadger of Jeff Monson. What happened? Jeff Monson. Live in Russia. Speaks perfect Russian. Go to Jeff Monson's Instagram. I think it's Snowman. Snowman, Monson. I forget what it is. He's a full -on Russian. He lives in Russia. He supports Mother Russia. He's got a fucking CCP. He's got like a hammer and sickle. Tattoo. He's all in. Interesting.

1:04:23He just, this is Jeff Monson, man. He's all, he's fucking Russian now. He defected. He's a Russian citizen. See if you can go to a video where he's talking in Russian, because there's a lot on his Instagram, where he's just, he's talking in Russian. See if you can find where there he goes. Play that. The Gondia made Spinalin, Niamh, Poboda, Nath, Fascism, Ford, Stalingrad. I got fascism in there.

1:04:58How wild is that? I don't know. I hope we didn't say let him say anything. Is Russia considered communist still? I mean, Russia is. Don't they? Don't they? Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's Soviet. No, let me say that. Let me say that right. I'm wrong. No, they have elections.

1:05:20But man, the whole, if you want to run against Putin, bro. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck with all that. You ain't got much time left. What was the last time they had an election? Well, you know that guy, Progrosian, who tried to make a coup against Putin, and he just died in a plane crash. Is that the coup that lasted like six hours? The guy who like, they were literally headed towards Moscow. He was the head of the Wagner group, headed towards Moscow. And then they pulled back at the last minute. Yeah. And Putin's like, yeah, we're all seeing a little bit. And his plane blew up in the sky.

1:05:54There's a video of his plane in the sky. And it's like, we're on fire in the sky. Yeah. Nothing suspicious about that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of crazy. But like Soviet Union was communist. And then the Soviet Union fell. Like the history of the Soviet Union in today's Russia is really confusing to me. Like, I don't know what to believe. I don't know what to believe with anything. Like when in regards to history, like, man, it's just like, what is real? And once not, I'm just like, fuck. I just like, okay, let's just see how everything plays out. But Soviet Union fell. Yes. So I thought like Russia is claiming like democratic socialism or something.

1:06:34Sort of democratic. But Putin is basically running it. Because Putin was the president of Russia or whatever they call it over there. And then he stepped down and then his main guy took over. And then Putin's like, fuck this. I'm taking over again. And now he's running it. And he's been running Russia. Was it, when did he start running? When was his second term as president of Russia? I have no feelings. You know, also has a fucking Soviet passport or Russian passport? Roy Jones. Really? Roy Jones Jr. tight with Putin. Interesting. Yeah, well he's a star over there, man. Really? Yeah, man. He had a bunch of boxing fights over there.

1:07:21They love him over there. They love like, you know, elite combat sports athletes. And Roy Jones Jr., and his prime was the fucking man. Yeah. When you talk about the all -time greats, you can, in his prime, he may have... I would say he's the best technician ever. One of the best athletes it's ever competed in boxing. He's so fast. Think about that one round he had with Vinnie Pazienza where only round in... Comfy Box History. Yeah, and Comfy Box History where Vinnie Pazienza couldn't land a punch. Incredible. Incredible. And then Roy tried to stop the fight. He was teeing off on him. He said the referee, come on, man.

1:08:03It's over. Yeah. And the referee was like, continue. He's like, all righty. Okay. Putin has been Russian most powerful politician since he assumed the presidency in 2000. After resignation of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin. And he stepped down for a while and then came back again, though. But he was still kind of in power. If he still remains in power until 2036, his tenure will surpass. Even that of Joseph Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union for 29 years. You're supposed to have six year terms, but he created a new law that can allow that term limit to reset. It's good move. It's good move if you want to run things.

1:08:43That's what Chris Rock was saying about Trump. When Trump made it into office, he's never getting out of there. He's a little change of fucking laws. He's not going to stop being president. Remember Chris Rock was saying that on stage, it was hilarious. You know that guy, Yuri Besmanov, that you bring up every now and then? And he explains ideological subversion, right? If that shit's real and it seems like it's real, then does that mean Russia is responsible for all our shit? If it's not real, what a prediction. What a crazy prediction that we would lose all faith in our democratic process. And that we would all, the children from the universities will all adapt Marxist, Leninist, philosophy.

1:09:27They all do. I mean, how many people are young kids? They consider themselves Marxist. Yes, so are we in the middle of a fucking, of a Russian infiltration? Or is it Chinese? Well, I think both of those countries are very clever. You know, they do some very clever thing. One of the things that China does is they buy up corporations. Do you know what I mean? Someone showed me a list of all these corporations that are run by China. I don't even know if this is true. What's the Chinese president? Xi Jinping. Is Xi Jinping and what's his fucking name from Russia? Putin. Are they like buddies? Because they're both like communist, right?

1:10:17Well, I'm confused there. I'm sure they're united against America now. And if Yuri Besmanov, if he's right, he's basically saying that Russia has put... We're under some kind of like 20 -year Russian infiltration ideological subversion plan. Yeah, what he was basically saying was that they have this very long game approach. Whereas the United States, we try to do things quickly and we think about short term. Whereas in Russia, they think about things very long, very long. Yeah. They're also... They're not afraid of people dying over there because they lost so many people and so many wars. I mean, if it wasn't for Russia, Russia holding off the Nazis, Russia helped us win World War II in a giant way, in a fucking giant way.

1:11:19And you look at the losses that Russia faced. What was that? The one battle that Shane Gillis brought up during the podcast, like Shane Gillis is a gigantic history buff. And he brought up this one battle where Russia lost some fucking insane amount of people holding off the Nazis. I mean, insane amount of people, like way more than any war we've ever lost. That was one of the things that people always said about Russia. Like the girls are so hot. And they're like, they so outnumber men because so many men died. Yeah. So many men died over there. So for the longest time, it was like this over abundance of these hot Russian women.

1:12:04And how many of them came over and became spies? Yeah. Man, it's like, what the fuck is going on? It's like, I don't know what to believe anymore, Donald. It's like, it almost seems like there's a great awakening and then there's a great reset. You know, Klaus Schwab talking about the great reset. And then there's a great awakening. A lot of people are waking up. It's like, sometimes I feel like the great awakening is winning. And then sometimes I feel like the great reset is winning. Like when you start, like all these fighting that we're doing, we're fighting over like dumb shit all the time.

1:12:41All the time, like bathrooms. Meet gender. Yeah, meanwhile, like this new world order is like digital currency and climate change. Yeah, it's like, what the fuck is going on? It just seems like it seems like, like there's our politicians here, you know, the ones that we see, the ones that are on TV. And then whatever is above them, the guys we don't see, maybe they just want to just destroy America. Like, how do we destroy America? How do we make it? I think what they want is control. And they want control the way that China has control, the way that Russia has control. Yeah. And there's so much freedom in America in terms of freedom of speech and freedom to do whatever you want.

1:13:31It's like, it's like, like on the surface, we see the left fighting with the right, right? Yeah. But what if the overall goal is to get us like the only way we're going to have like a military regime, like the controllers they want as much of a military regime as possible, maybe disguised it so we don't think we're under. But the best way to do that, the most, not the easiest, but the best way is you've got to make the people embrace the military, right? You got to make them embrace. How do you make them embrace it? Right now, we're kind of embracing it. We're like, oh, where's the military? Tribunals and all that shit with all the shit.

1:14:12It's almost like that. Like, were we tricked? Are we being tricked into embracing the military? Like, there's so, like, I don't know which way the shit's going. It's just show all over the fucking place, man. There's like all the stuff that Biden is doing. It's like, it's like, who's advising this motherfucker? You know what I mean? He's running again. And then they're talking about Michelle Obama running. That keeps coming up. Ted Cruz just talked about it. I think Gavin Newsom could win. You don't think Michelle Obama has a better chance? If she wants to do it, she's a minor. Yeah. If she wants to do it.

1:14:48Yeah. But does she want to do it? I mean, she's never expressed it. It seems like Gavin Newsom wants to be president. Yeah. And he like fits the bill. Handsome, tall, smooth talker. It'd be so much better than Biden as a president. I mean, that's a no -brainer. It just seems like banner. Is this a trick? Is this a trick? Is this just so obvious? He's trying to figure out how to remove these homeless encampments in California. But his laws against it. There's laws that prevent you from pushing those people out. I will say this. I will say this. People talk a lot of shit. I mean, I'm in California for the weather.

1:15:25I like the weather, man. The weather's amazing. The weather's amazing, dude. We've had probably 14 days over 100 degrees. And y 'all's out here in Florida. You guys are like six months of just death. You know what I mean? Bro. And don't say you like it because if you like it, turn your condition around. I'm not going to tell you how much you like it. Everybody says they like it. As long as they're in air conditioned... Right, but that's how California is too. It's 100 degrees out of town. But I don't know what you want to be. No, no, the amount of days per year. That's true. It's way hotter here for longer.

1:15:57And I almost moved Florida. I almost did it. I almost went to Tampa. Thank God I didn't. I'm glad I waited it out. But during the height of all the BS, man, it was so scary on the 101. The homeless just... They were on the freeway. So if you're in rush hour on the 101, it's like Mad Max dog. It was fucking scary. You're like, you're just sitting there and there's all these people around you. Just living and camped out on the freeway. Bro, if they just got rid of that, if they just eliminated the homeless and campments, find shelter for these people, get them counseling. That's A. But... But...

1:16:37But they did clean all that up. They're not on the freeways anymore. Not on the freeways. They cleaned it up. But they still, if you go to Venice, it's a disaster. Yeah, but it's not a disaster. They have cleaned it up a little bit. I can't deny it. They have cleaned it up, cleaned it up, like all the way. And there was this... I do that. I drive in the downtown all the time. And there's a certain bridge that I drive under. And it's always... Every day is just... People like put up houses there. Yeah, they have electricity that's tapping on lines. But they cleaned it out. I don't know if they cleaned it out everywhere.

1:17:11But in my path where I see them, they're doing something about the homeless. Good. Yes. Praise to them for doing that. Next step, you got to eliminate these fucking crazy DAs. They take these violent fucking people that shoot people and assault people and rob things. You got to... You got to have fucking police. You got to have law and order. All this deep funding, the police is too scary. These smashing grabs and all these stores. Fuck you. Bro, these smashing grabs are great. Down the street from my own podcast studio at the Depang Amal. They fucking smashed into Nordstrom. Yeah. This smashing grab, everything.

1:17:46They did it in Century City. They did it in Beverly Hills. It seems like... Man, it seems like... If he can clean that up, if he can refund the police, clean that up, make LA safe. Like 2016 safe? I don't think that's gonna happen. Why not? Bro, if that guy did that, he could get a lot of people's vote for president. We just cleaned up. Cut the fucking taxes too. Like the California taxes are like, what the fuck are we doing over here? Taxes. But if the taxes were worth it. If it's worth that 14 % to live in the state, look, I don't mind paying taxes. I don't wanna pay too much taxes, but people think I moved here to not pay taxes.

1:18:28That is not the case. If LA was the same LA from 2015, I'd still be on LA. 100%. I miss the comedy store. I miss 10th planet, Jiu Jitsu. I miss all the restaurants. I used to go to. I miss all my friends. I miss it. But they just got too crazy during the pandemic. They just got too crazy with shutting down businesses. They got too crazy with telling people what they can do and what they can't do. Too crazy with mandating vaccines or kids to go to school. They got too crazy with all those things. If they didn't do that, I don't mind paying the taxes, man. I don't mind. I get it. I get it. I'm wealthy.

1:19:08It shouldn't affect me as much as it does other people. I get that. But I'm saying that if it was worth it, if you got something out of it, if there's something you get from it, whereas it's worth that 14%. 14 % is crazy. That's so much money. If you make $100 ,000 a year, you have to pay $14 ,000 to the fucking government. For what? For what? That's so much money, man. 14 grand? If you make $100 ,000, you make $96. Or if you make $86. And then you got to pay federal tax. And then you got to pay federal tax. And then you got to be sales tax. And property tax. I mean, there's so many taxes. But if it was worth it, and then they got this mansion tax.

1:20:00Do you know what that mansion tax is? I heard about that. I don't know much about that. Put it up. Put it up. Whitney Cummings was complaining about it. If you have a house, and it's worth a certain amount of money, I don't know who pays it, whether it's the buyer or the seller. But there's a tax that gets slapped onto it, like it's worth X amount of money. Dude, I got to piss so bad. Go piss, go piss. Pause, I'll piss too. Yeah, I just commented like, we've got to talk a whole recording this. I mean, we are. Shane Gillis is deleting Jamie's posts when Jamie comments on Shane Gillis' Instagram, Shane deletes it.

1:20:39It's over football though. Yeah, it was just a gift. It was just like a response, you know, a high -estate fun gift. And it's gone. I was like, well, what happened? Who took it down? The day after Instagram took it down. No, the day lost? Yeah, I thought Instagram was thinking I was bullying him. But that's not the case. And who's they, what was it, Ohio State? It is going to last play the game. Fourth down. Oh, shit. Oh, shit, right down in the wire. Yeah. Yeah. Football is emotional, man. You spend a lot of time. Shane believes in censorship. That's what I've done. That's all I've done. I've been honest about this whole thing.

1:21:12Shane believes in censorship. It gets, dude, you spend all week thinking about this game Sunday and when you play like shit and you waste three, four hours watching this motherfucker, it leaves a bad taste. I get it. I get it now after I went to that game and I saw how hyped people get. In Dallas, seeing Cowboys playing doubt, Cowboys smoked them smoking shots. But it was wild watching it, man. I was like, this is fun. They lost last night in the Cowboys fans are so pissed about it. It goes back and forth, dude. Yeah. Back and forth. If you lose, everybody shits on you. If you win, oh my god, we have chance to make it to the playoffs.

1:21:46It's very emotional. There's a lot of shit talking going on football. I can get into it a little bit, but I don't have the time to really get into it. I like, I'm into it because I've always been into it, but it's also, I know that sports are a distraction. They want, like, you know, like empires. They like the circus and the distraction. I know it's a distraction. It's meant to distract you from what's really going on and it gets you to not pay attention, like, you know, what the government's doing to you and all that shit. That might have been why it was initially created. Yeah. But right now, it exists as a beautiful form of entertainment that makes people's lives.

1:22:22But I use it for distraction, because I'm like, you can't be kept in conspiracy all day. Yeah. You know what I mean? I need, I like watching music documentaries and football. That's what I do to get away from fucking. You know what I get away from? I watch professional pool. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazier than football. That's what I watch. Because it's completely apolitical. Are there team pool sports? Yes. There's a thing called the Moscone Cup. And it's a team. It's like Quintet. It's like Team USA versus Team Europe. It's a big event that happens every year. And one year it'll happen in the United States.

1:22:54Like last year, it was in Vegas. This year, it's in London. And that people cheer and scream. How many people participate? A wild. That's a good question. I'm not sure. But they play two at a time. So two people play against two people. So if you and I were playing, so if you're playing nine ball, nine balls rotation pool. It means you have to make the one, then you have to make the two. And then when you make the nine, you win. So if you and I were on a team, you would make the one ball and you'd play a position for me to make the two ball. Then I would make the two ball, and then you would make the three ball.

1:23:25That's how the game's played. Interesting. I don't like that. I like one -on -one. One -on -ones, my favorite. Who's the Hicks and Gracie of Pull right now? Shane Van Boning is a dude from South Dakota whose death. And he turns his hearing aid off when he plays. It doesn't hear shit. He just goes into his zone. You can talk shit about him all day. You can say crazy things. He doesn't hear it. He just in the zone. And he's just dedicated. Dude, practice his eight hours a day. He beat this dude in his tournament he played last week. He beat this dude, tendin' nothing, and he ran nine racks. So for nine racks, he broke and ran out.

1:24:04What's running nine racks? What does that mean? It means the other guy doesn't even shoot. Because he just made every shot. He made every shot. It's crazy that people could do that. So good. He's so good. If you watch him play, he's a machine. He's a machine. He makes shot. And also, like getting a shot on the one after the break. Like, what are the odds? You're gonna get a shot on the one. And he ran seven racks in a row. Is there a skill to that break? Yeah. Yeah. You've got to hit it as hard as possible. It's on as hard as possible. It's as accurate as possible. And sometimes it's the right speed.

1:24:34Sometimes if you hit it too hard, the ball scatter too much and you don't have control. But if you hit it just the right speed, you will make like the one ball on the side, the two ball likely will bounce out and get a shot. And this motherfucker ran seven racks in a row in a big tournament against the best players in the world. And then he ran two more racks and then he fucking won the game. And he's an American. He's an American. Yeah. He's maybe the best of all. Are there countries that produce... Is it random or are there certain countries that produce good plays? I'm a big fan of the guys from China.

1:25:07I'm a huge fan of the guys from China and the guys from the Philippines. Those are some of my favorite plays. And Taiwan. These are two brothers out of Taiwan, the co -brothers. Coping Yi and Coping Chung. They're my favorite players to watch. I love watching those guys play. Do they ever play against each other? Yeah, they do. It's funny. It's funny watching them play because they have the same kind of style. It's like the Ritolo brothers, you know? A little bit. They had to fight in the finals of... I think it was the Brown Belt, Guy Worlds. Or was it Black Belt? Yeah, that don't fake shit, dude.

1:25:39No. The Ritolo brothers are fucking animals. Animals. Those guys are animals. All natural, too. They're like 20 years old. Yeah. And they're amongst the best in the world. And they're just getting started. And they have a deal with 1 FC, too. They do the 1 FC grappling. Yeah, dude. That's another thing I love about 1 FC. They're gonna match you over there. And I love it. They make you sit up. They make you sit up. You go to the shot tree, invited me to that Denver show, the first US show. That was insane. That was insane. It was just a mix of kickboxing, MMA, grappling. And the grapplers came out with like, you know, they look like superstars.

1:26:15Like the Ritolo brothers, Mike, Emusa, and Maxi, they're superstars. What I love about shot tree and what he's doing with 1 FC is they're embracing all the aspects of martial arts. They have Muay Thai with little gloves. They have jujitsu. They have real fucking elite level MMA. It's fucking great. They even have kickboxing. Yeah. So they have kickboxing, which is no elbows. You know, no clinch. They have regular kicks. Oh yeah. What style is that called? Kickboxing, like, glory. Glory is regular kickboxing. No elbows. No elbows. No knees. No knees. You can go knees, you can go knees. But you can't clinch and throw knees the way everybody else does.

1:26:54It's like K1. K1 was kickboxing. It's not, K1 is not MMA. Yeah. Or excuse me, it's not Muay Thai. So K1 does not allow elbows. K1 does not allow elbows, but they do allow a brief clinch. Yep. A brief clinch. One knee, one knee from the clinch. You can't hold on, like Anderson Silva did with Rich Franklin. Hold on and just bat around with knees. Remember when Anderson Silva got that plumb on Rich Franklin? Yeah. And just destroyed him. Yeah. Yeah. That was bro Anderson in his prime. The interesting thing about, or one of the interesting things about Anderson Silva, they're so many, but he was like middle of the road for a while.

1:27:32He was, he was just one of those dudes from shoebox coming up. He was winning. He was losing. He thought, Raiyuu. What was that guy's name? The Japanese guy that did the flying. Uh, Ryan Hill hook on him. Yeah. It was one of those. He was a mayhem's training partner. Who's that dude's name? Raiyuu. God damn it. Anderson Silva versus, I'm embarrassed. I forgot his name. I'm embarrassed too. Yeah. It starts on the R though. I know that. That was good. Yeah. He threw that crazy flying scissor, take down to a hill hook, which is like, that's pro wrestling. Well, it's actually legit, but that's it right there.

1:28:12Rio Chonella. There we go. I was Rio Chonella. Yeah. Check out this fight. Stevie could find that it was a good fight too. So this was Anderson before he went to cage rage. Remember, he went to cage rage. Yes. That's when he became the fucking man. When he went to cage rage. So Rio Chonella, he threw this flying. Is it going to show it in here? Like they're discussing it. It's a video about the old man. Did they have the actual segment? See if you can scroll. There it is. Boom. Look at that. That is crazy. Yeah. That was like Marvin Kessner. Crazy. The way he did it. Crazy. That moved by the way, Zlegel and my tournament.

1:28:57Really? Because it's too neat to destroy it. You can just break a leg right there. I witnessed right in front of my face a leg getting destroyed. And I'm like, okay, that is banned. We are banning that one. What happened? You know, one of my students just did that move that you just saw. And he landed on the shin and a fucking snap. And it was not good. What happened to Richie? Did Richie get his leg snapped recently? With Craig Jones? Yeah. You know, he tweaked it. He heard it. Craig Jones did some crazy behind the back toe hole thing that it was fucking crazy. But yeah. Craig Jones doing some wild shit, man.

1:29:39Craig Jones, one of the best in the world, one of the best to do it. And they won the quintet team tournament. It was fucking badass, man. We got to the finals against B team and Craig Jones just too much. You know, but we did great. My guys did great. Everybody did great now. It looked like a break. That's how scared. The little thing you broke his ankle. Maybe something got cracked, but he didn't tell me. We were walking right afterwards. It wasn't really. It wasn't limping or anything. Okay, so it just popped. Yeah, a little pop on the outside. If it pops on the outside, there's really... There's nothing you could really do.

1:30:15I mean, there's no surgery for it. You just, you just, you just, wait it out. You just, wait it out. You know, I've had my ankle pop many times. And then it's so reentender for a long time. I had my ankle popped once and it swole up. And then the whole thing was black. Like my whole ankle is black. I was like, oh my god, I'm never going to throw a kick again. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Yeah, here it is. I was out there. I just see what happened. I can show you. Yeah, he showed right before this. So here it is. Before that. Okay, so look at any reaches with his left hand. He reaches behind his back, like right there.

1:30:49Look at left hand, right there. And then he puts a toe. So he's got his left hand on one side of Richie's leg and his right hand in between the legs with a toe. You couldn't really see it in that angle. But I never really seen that before. I was, look at this boom, look at this. Like, do you remember when Craig Jones had that match with Vinnie Magalace and he broke his ankle? Yes. He broke his shit. Yeah. He broke his shin bone, right? I don't know the, I don't know the exact damage he's got. He did, because Craig tried to tell him, hey, it's broke. He's like, it's okay. He's like, yeah, but it's broken.

1:31:26That was like, it's like moving around. Yeah. I talked to Vinnie when Vinnie was at Abu Dhabi, he's like, yeah, I was still kind of fucked up. Yeah. I think he had a plate. Vinnie was one of the first leglock pioneers in ADCC. People forget about that. He won the whole thing, I think, in 2007 or 2009 or something. And he was heel hookin' the shit out of people him and Dean Lester. Yeah. They came out and... I think Vinnie's the last guy to beat Gordon. Is he the last one? I believe so. I think so. Do you remember when Vinnie did a flying armbar on paida pano? I don't remember that. And did you get too much?

1:32:05No, Guy. I don't remember that. On paida pano? Beautiful. Let's see if we could find that. Beautiful. Pad, dad, pano. Beautiful. Vinnie Magalace. I don't... I don't remember that one. He hit on a flying armbar. See if we could find that. Vinnie Magalace paid a pano flying armbar. Oh, it's fucking gorgeous. And did you see a guy do that on a world champion at that high level in the catch it? Yeah. It was... Yeah. Picture perfect. Yeah. And when I was saying about Anderson Silva was... He didn't come out as just like the baddest motherfucker on the point right away. He took a while. Right. You know, then he went to cage rage?

1:32:45Yes. And he started fucking people. What was his biggest win in cage rage? Lee Murray. Oh. Oh. Remember that? Yeah. Lee Murray was a fucking killer. There's a documentary about him. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I was talking to Guy Richie about it. Lee Murray was a real gangster who could fight. He wound up being part of the crew that committed the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. But they had like fucking like a movie like heat. Like both face masks on and goggles and fucking tactical equipment and bulletproof vests. And they robbed every... I think they stole like 50 million dollars.

1:33:25Something crazy. And they got away with it for a while. Eh. Sort of. Everybody kind of knew. It's one of those things. And the fucking criminal world, like those guys aren't real good at shutting the fuck up. Yeah. You know. They're wild people. If you're doing something like that, you got friends. And you're telling your friends and those friends are probably going to get arrested. And then they're going to fucking hey. I know some shit. Next time. See if you can find that. I don't know how to spell that other guy's name. Oh wait. I just found out. Here we go. Pa -de -pano. That's his nickname.

1:34:01That's probably the problem. Oh. What's his real name? I see your crew. There it is. That's right. Yeah. He's huge. He's like six five giant guy. He fought in MMA too, but it didn't really pan out for him. I believe in the game. No, it's no game. There it is. I know it's locked behind the play wall there. Oh, the flow grappling paywall. I got a subscription. Oh, take that. Try that. Click that. That's not that's why I was. Oh, video unavailable. Hmm.

1:34:34Yeah. I'm gonna take this in the two of one. Anthony Porosha. I forgot about him too. He was a fucking animal.

1:34:44Hmm. Just Google flying armbar. Google, no, no, no. Pa -de -pano. No, no. Marcio Cruz flying armbar. Just Google that. Marcio Cruz flying armbar. Yeah. Here we go. Let me see.

1:35:06Yeah, but you don't want to see him doing it. You want to see Vinnie Magalais doing it to him. Well, then. Yeah. No, no, no. Leave Vinnie Magalais. Marcio Cruz. Yeah. There we go. Let's try that. It would have already come up. It's not gonna come out really. Not on YouTube this way. This is not the best way to look for this stuff. That's what I was trying to do. Hmm. That's crazy. How is that not? It's on the flow grappling page and it's behind the paywall. And that's the only clip that I can find. Let me, I will save you my password. Well, you do that, dude. I can appear again. Ah, good. Bro, you got a phone from the 90s.

1:35:40What are you doing? No, I'm not even going to upgrade. I did. I just got a new one. You did a 15? Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

1:36:02Do it. I'm not going to be a classic moment was when Dovey Ramos got a flying arm bar. I was 2015 in Sao Paulo. Dovey Ramos. Do it. You found the U .S. A little bit, right? A little bit. I was surprised that he didn't go further. I had a feeling he was going to smoke everybody once it got the ground. Yeah. Because I just felt like, how are you going to stop that guy? Yeah, man. His arm bar was fucking insane. It is so hard to make the transition to the U .S .C. It's so hard. Dude, you got to have your striking on point. You got to have everything on point. It's almost, it's like striking and wrestling because every fight, every round starts on your feet.

1:36:42Like that's the most important thing. You're striking and you're wrestling in the early days. You can get away with just being really good at jujitsu and getting a clenched and dragging the fight to the ground. But not anymore. Oh, dude. Everybody's hard to take down now. There's no more easy takedowns. You know who's crazy who's still in the mix? Well, it was until recently, Haneiya. That guy was around forever. He got to the finals of the Abu Dhabi I was in 2003. He was 17 and got to the finals against Leo Vieira. And he was fighting the U .S .C recently. Yeah. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good.

1:37:21That guy understands the clinch game. If he would have been on just a little more striking, if he would have been a better striker, he is his jujitsu man. He had good MMA jujitsu. He was all about squeezing and clenching and smashing. And he got a lot of that from Hixen. Like Hixen took him under his wing for a little bit. Yeah. And Hixen was in his corner for a while. He was a squeezer. A squeezer. Not a team constrictor. Not his team. Yeah, not all jujitsu champions coming from the gate, not all of them are squeeze machines. Some of them are really good at collar chokes. You know what I mean?

1:38:04And they're just death with those things. They get a hand in your collar man. You're going to sleep. Remember when Marillo Bustamante had a tap, Matt Lindland, twice? Marillo Bustamante was the one who upkicked Jerry Bolander. Busy? I think so. I think it was Marillo Bustamante up. Because I said before it was five years of show. Yeah. I think it, I get the names mixed up, but I'm pretty sure it was Bustamante. How about when he tapped out Matt Lindland twice? You're talking about that? Yeah. Yeah. One fight. Yeah. The craziest fight ever. Crazy. Big John McCarthy separated them. Said it was the fight was over.

1:38:42And Matt Lindland was like, I didn't tap. Be definitely tapped. Yeah. And then they didn't have instant replay back then. So big John's like, okay, fight again. Keep fighting. And Marillo was like, what the fuck? And I think they went a whole round after that. And then the next round Marillo caught him in a guillotine. Crazy shit. That happened, like kind of happened when... Sakuraba. And when I was in, I commentated for a show called Too Hot to Handle in Amsterdam. Oh yeah. And absolutely. And Gilbert Eivoh, remember him? Sure. Man, what a scary dude that one. That guy. He was the one in Pride 10 that threw one strike against Scary Good Ridge, one strike, one headkick.

1:39:31And he went down. Let's see what this is. What this is? Oh, this is it. Yeah. We found it. Yeah. This is deep searching. But we found it. Damn, let it go. Here we go. That's it. Watch this. It's so beautiful, dude. Oh, look at that. Look at that. Wow. How beautiful is that? Wow. Look, he's wearing tights. Yeah. Beautiful. No greasing on him. No. Not at all. Can he tap that quick? Yep. Yeah, he knew it was over. Dude, let's see that whole thing again. Right as he was going down, it was already extending the arm. Look at that. He's got the collar tie off the collar tie. Look at that. Boom. And he went on the left arm.

1:40:11Amazing. That was quick. That's pretty much it. You probably verbal tapped. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. That was when Vinnie was training with you. Yeah. Amazing. Damn. To do that to a guy at that high level, I mean, that's fucking incredible. See if you could find Dobby Ramos, ADCC 2015 flying arm bar. I don't know. I mean, it's different than this one, but it's equally impressive, I think. Really, we should give props to our guy. Oh, here it is. Look at this. Oh, yeah, he jumped on him. Look at this. Boom. And done. Over. That was so quick. Dobby Ramos, the fucking arm. Damn.

1:40:59He just caught him reaching. Look at that. Woo. And Dobby Ramos. He's one of those Brazilians. One of the first Brazilians that came out with high level leg locks. He's a leg locker. He's a Brazilian leg locker. There's a couple out there that came up that people forgot about. And when, do you remember when Alan Belcher fought Russo Marpaharis? Yeah. Russo Marpaharis was probably the most feared Brazilian leg locker ever. The guy's, yeah, just jack. Yeah. Ken Shamrock in his prime, you know, and, uh, and he's a leg locker. He just rips people's legs. But Alan trained. So Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan brought in Davey Ramos.

1:41:40Dobby, Dobby Ramos and Dean Lister for his training camp. And they, he was, he had him out there for a month. And Alan Belcher told me, you know, those dudes are fucking me up. Dean Lister and Dobby Ramos with leg locks is over and over. But after a while, I started slowing him down, started countering, started defending, started pulling out. And by the time that UFC match against Russo Marpaharis came around, that was one of the greatest UFC fights of all time. Because, because, because, dude, he had Alan Belcher. But first, Alan Belcher pulls him into a fucking twister, dude. Do you remember that?

1:42:17Oh, yeah. He comes in. He comes in. Russo Marpaharis comes in with a single. Alan Belcher doesn't even fight this single. He just, he just transitions that into a truck. And he almost twisters him. Dude gets out. And then he's all over Alan Belcher's legs. He's all over those legs and Alan's just defending, defending, pulling out, defending. He had really good looks on his legs. And then he finally got out and fucking ground and pounded his way to the stoppage. Alan Belcher is a heavyweight baron knuckle fighter now. He's fighting baron knuckle now? Did you not know? He was a champion. I did not know.

1:42:52He were a linguist's title so he could fight for Jorge Mazvedal. So he's fighting Jorge Mazvedal's MMA fight. He's fighting against Roy Big Country Nelson. And the winner of that is now going to fight Junior dos Santos. Holy shit, I have no idea. I have no idea. You want to go? Let's go to Miami. I think I think it's in Florida in April. I think that's when the big matches. I think Alan Belcher is fighting, you know. November 10th. Yeah, so that's November 10th. And then the winner of that is going to fight Junior dos Santos. And bro, Alan Belcher can fucking box. And he's a heavyweight now, man.

1:43:35Let's see, Alan Belcher, Rousseau Marpol Harris. That's got to be up for you. Dude, that one is 100 % just violence the whole way through. That's great. There's no stopping that one, dude. That's a great fight. Oh my God, Alan Belcher just... And I remember after that, I'm like, dude, you got to put out a fucking leglock defense. Look, right here. Look at his... He's going to take him down. He's going to grab a single and he's going to go right into the truck watch. Yeah, Alan Belcher was so well put. Alan's so smart. He's such a smart dude. He looks so different now. Because now he doesn't cut any weight.

1:44:09And he got jacked, shaved his head. He's fucking huge now. Check this out. Single, right into the truck watch. Look at this. Single, right into the truck. Yep, pulled it right in. And like, boom. He's caught. He almost twizzers in here. Look at that shit. Look at that. Who's smart? He could have had the calf slaster right there. That was like... He had it right there. But damn, he's going for the grand slam here. He's going... Look at that. He's so close. He was close. Would that have been the first twister in MMA or had the... No, that would have been the first one, I think. I think... I could be wrong, but I think this is the first one.

1:44:43He goes for a little crotch ripper here. Look at that. He was so close. He has a minute for a while. Look... Look at this. Yeah, who's smart? What the fuck happened? He needs a baseball bat control. Yeah. Look at that. Oh, look at that. He's kind of grahamid and weird. Look at that. Oh my god, he's got that head. He's so close. He's got that head. So close. Damn. I forget how they broke out of this though. Let's see. Paul Hart. Paul Hart has must have been like... There's you. He's in a swing in a baseball bat with that head. Oh! Now he's got a... He's got a lose of position here. Now... Now, look, it's going to be a leg battle now.

1:45:28Now, this is where all the leg lock defense comes into play here. Look at this shit. Dude, he's deep on him. Dude, the cup deep. Oh, he's got that knee bar. He turns to the right way. Look at that. Boom. He's all over. He's like... He got... He got out of it. Another good... Another deep, deep look. Look at that, bam. He's got a good bite on him. Look at that. Alan uses that left leg. They bust free. Exactly. Triangles his right leg. Look at that. That was a wild ass fight, man. He's an awesome... This looks like someone filmed it from the TV. 100%. 100%. Look at that. Every those old days we buy movies that were like VHS tapes or someone set up a camera in the back of the movie theater.

1:46:07Yeah. I used to buy those in New York all the time. Look, he's putting him on legs. Yeah. Like, he's attacking a little bit here. I know. And who's in my mind? I was like, what the fuck is going on? How is this happening? And this happened way before the leg lock revolution, man. Oh, way before. Yeah. Way before, right? Yeah. I want to say this is like 2004 or something. Fox 3. I would say this 2008, 9. You have seen on Fox 3. Look at that. He's got so many looks on his legs and there's deep. He's got the knee line and everything. Boom. He just can't finish it off. Look at perfect defense. Yeah.

1:46:42I almost so used to it. So many people were so terrified of Paul Harris when he grabbed your leg. Look at that spin. Look at the way he spun out right there. That was it right there. Look at that. Now it's all about ground and pound. Now look at this. Boom. Who's the mart didn't let go? If he got a hold of your fucking heel, he would tear that shit down and shred it. And is it Mike Pierce? Who's fucking knee? Did he fuck up where he didn't let go? And then he got kicked out of the UFC. I forget that one. It may have been Mike Pierce. They kicked him out. They're like, bro, you got to fucking let people go and they tap and they're like, that's it son.

1:47:16He's the only guy that ever get kicked out of the UFC for a win. Is that real? Yeah. He got banned from the UFC for winning. Boom. Look at that. He's just battering. Boom. Elbows. Boom. Boom. Yeah. And he just fucked him out from here. Just nasty ground. And he had to have been tripping too on like, man, I had so many chances on his legs. Well, also like he was threatening him, man. Yeah, look at that. It's going to be over right there. Oh, big shots. But that's it. It's all over. Called it. Now, I want you to Google Alan Belcher, Baronuckle Boxing. Bro, you haven't seen him lately? He's a heavyweight.

1:47:59He's giant. He's covered with, he has an Evan Tanner tattoo. Oh, shit. Damn. Bro. Oh, shit. Socks it. Oh, man. Because he's like, yeah, he's 40s now, right? Show me a video though. Damn, the size of him. Fucking gigantic. Show me a video though. Alan Belcher, Baronuckle Boxing. Just right, Baronuckle Boxing. Yeah, there you go. And give me some video. Walk off KO. No, watch this. Bro, he can box, man. It's interesting watching him be so big too. I mean, the size of him is so different. But he's skillful, man. Damn. Oh, that guy's over. So he's about to fight big country. They're going to fight in Jorge Mazvidal's Emmett, which I fucking loved.

1:48:55I really loved Mazvidal's premiere event. Or not premiere event. He's had a couple of them. But the last one he did, with Junior Joe Santos and Fabrizio Verdun. Bro, Baronuckle changes everything. Changes everything. You can't take those shots. And the crazy thing is he's a business guru. Like Mazvidal? No, Alan Belcher. Yeah. Alan Belcher, dude. He has like a... This is Junior. This is Junior in Fabrizio. But this is like not the best fight. It was mostly Fabrizio Verdun just getting punched in the face. He just like Junior with that boxing, that style that he has. He slices you with those punches.

1:49:33Like you can only take so much of those. And Fabrizio got a really nasty cut over one of his eyes. At the end of it, he's like really jacked up. So that's... I'm in full support of Mazvidal's organization. I love that he's doing that. I think that's how MMA should be done. Baronuckle. So they're going to have that Roy big country Nelson fight and then the other one we should go. Yeah. I'll check my schedule. If I'm free that weekend, let's do it. It's in Miami. I think it's in Florida. I'm pretty sure it's in Florida. I'm not sure it's Miami, but it's somewhere in Florida. Hell yeah, let's do it.

1:50:06Yeah, Mazvidal reached out and I said, fuck it. I'll do that. I want to see that. I want to support it. I want to support it. And like Fabrizio Verdun was in there. That guy's a legend. You know, a Jiu -Jitsu legend, MMA legend. And he like Anderson Silva in the beginning. He was middle of the road. He was a Jiu -Jitsu champion. Didn't really have that good striking. I think he fought in dream maybe, maybe pride. And he was like up and coming, big Brazilian. Amazing Jiu -Jitsu. But a striking hadn't come together. And then a lot of Jiu -Jitsu black belts and a lot of Jiu -Jitsu champions, they'll dip into MMA a little bit and they realize, you know what?

1:50:47My striking ain't there. I'll just have a school and just make money with my school. And that's fine. But some stay. And they just fucking, they just tough it out and they just keep going and they keep going. Like Anderson Silva, his Jiu -Jitsu wasn't that good. But he kept going and then his Jiu -Jitsu got good. He tried a little child son. And same thing with Fabrizio Verdun, he kept going. And then he turned into like a legit striker knocking out people with head kicks. Yeah. He just kept going. How about let's look at Anderson Silva versus Dan Henderson? Oh shit. Remember that one? Yeah, that's Anderson in his pride.

1:51:22That's Anderson top of the food chain. Apex predator. Perhaps the greatest 185 pound that's ever lived. And he was on man. You know, and Dan Henderson just is an animal. Throwin', fucking vicious, vicious bombs. But this was Anderson Silva when he was in the Matrix. When he would just stand out and bow to everybody, this is a great fucking fight man. His Dan Henderson was so fucking dangerous. This is Dan in his prime. Yeah. And he had that fucking ridiculous power. Dan Henderson, like if you touch him, he's like made out of wood. He feels like this table. He's so dense. He's so dense ridiculous.

1:52:05And he's just such an elite fucking wrestler too. And so Anderson just kind of timed him up a little bit. This is what Anderson would do. He would spend the beginning of the round, just kind of moving around, looking to see how you move, putting it all in that computer, and then towards the end of the round, Anderson would start opening up.

1:52:30And once he started opening up, man, he was fucking lethal. Because you had to close the distance on him. Because Anderson was a counter -striker. So he would stand there and make you lead. And when you lead, you know, you're running into fucking the biggest buzz saw that ever existed in this division. Oh, that's right. I forget. Dan got him down. How did he get him down? Let's see how he got him down. Does it just cut right to it? This video is slightly edited. Oh, yeah, yeah. It just shows him taking him down. He looked like he has like a leg drag position in there. Yeah. He's almost in half -guard.

1:53:03Or it's almost in my side control. Anybody, Dan Henderson touches with that right hand. Nobody survived that shot. I know. He's a wrestler with a fucking Mike Tyson right hand. Do you remember his knockout of Vandily in the rematch? Holy shit. The bizzying one. Yeah. The bizzying was insane. But once, down this is Anderson when he's got his groove, right? This is Anderson loose. Boom, head kick. Boom. Oh, this is all edited out. So he stands up. Henders has got the clinch. It was a good fight. I forgot how good this fight was.

1:53:49Scoot you a little.

1:53:54Oh, yeah. So how did he get him down though? Back it up. Yeah, right. Right there. Here it is. That's where it happened. It started from stand up. Man, it's weird how they're cutting out the takedowns. Yeah, I don't know. It's very important. But the fact that he's on top of here, that's fucking like what? I know. He's on top of a world class wrestler. The fucking grappling was elite man. At a certain point in time in his career, he really became an elite grappler. I mean, the men at Harvard, this game is black belt, right? Yeah. Didn't they give it to him after he submitted a chale? Or was it before that?

1:54:32I don't think it was before that. I don't remember. So here he got his back.

1:54:39And I think he went to the Dan Severin, right? Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, look at this. Look at that boom. Right there. Boom. That's it. Brutal. Big submission. Was he already the champion at this point? He was defending his title. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Bro. Dude. So much has happened. Do you remember the early days where you and I would go to these events where we watch them? Well, you know what they need? They need some billionaires with some crazy deep pockets to buy the UFC and throw a ton of money at it. And they fucking did it. Yeah, it actually happened. They fucking did it. They really did it.

1:55:21Yeah. That's what it, generally, that's what it takes to take someone with money to burn. Yeah. That has vision. Okay, we're going to burn some money right now, but eventually it's going to come back to us, you know, a thousandfold. And that's what happened. Oh, shit. Especially when they knew that the product was so good. I mean, there was no denying that the UFC was exciting. Yeah. People that are just getting into MMA now, you got to go back and go through the timeline. It was, man, the 90s. It blew up. UFC 2 blew it up. No one really knew what UFC 1 was about because there was no B -roll and they're like, I remember thinking, oh, that's some program.

1:55:57It was a wrestling. Like, we just didn't know what it was. And then you find out it was real. And you're like, oh, shit. And then the UFC 2 comes along and go, okay, let me watch this shit. And it's a 16 -man tournament. And I was doing karate at the time. And I remember watching Hoy Speed, the Menoki Ichihara. And it fucking crushed me. I'm like, fuck. Who is this Brazilian guy? Jesus. But by the time we got to the finals, man, I was a big fan. I'm like, oh, shit. You could take people, you could find on the ground. And you're not considered a pussy because I would fight on the ground because I wrestled in high school.

1:56:31And I just take a dude down. I remember when I first met you, you would wear the fucking scuba gear on your head because you had long ass hair. She'd wear like scuba gear and you would close it off with ear guards and you would told everybody. I would wear a Jacoosto head gear to put all my hair in. And then I would put the wrestling ear guards over it just to just to disguise. So it doesn't look like I'm a fucking Jacoosto. You know, I remember when I first met you, you were leg locker. You were toe hold and everybody. Yeah. That was your move. From Ken Shamrock. I learned it from some instructional video of him and jeans.

1:57:12He has no shirt looking like a chip and Dale's dancer. He's doing a toe hold with some Japanese guy because he was all pancreased out. And I'm like, whoa, he was doing it from the top. And I'm like, and I was always on the bottom playing half guard. I'm like, I wonder if I could do it from half guard. So I started doing toe holds from half guard. Tolds are still super powerful in the game. Oh, yeah. And today's game, there's some guys that just got that toe hold down. They'll break your fucking foot off. But you know, Rod got Gordon in it and popped his ankle. That was nasty. Yeah, those things are nasty, man.

1:57:45You just got to get really good at it. You just got to know how to use your whole body to twist that foot. Also, that fuck your ankle up for a long time. I wonder how bored and ankle is. Yeah, yeah. It's not. It's my fun. He's fine. I'm sure he's fine. Because it just tears that like if it pops, it's like the outside of your foot, like right under that little ankle ball thing. There's like this meat under there that it's going to be. Yeah, and it stays sore for a couple months. Is it a... You can't get surgery on it. So you can't? I have ankle surgery only happens when you break bones, like the ankle bones.

1:58:23All the little ligaments, there's so many little ones, like you just kind of just leave it alone. You know, Laird Hamilton is? No. Laird Hamilton is a world champion surfer. So, wild man. And he broke his ankle and didn't do shit about it. Just walk around and broke an ankle. And his one of his ankles is like twice the size of a regular ankle. It just became this like... Calcium deposit. Not a bone. It's all... Look at his ankle. He showed it to me. Look at that. What? That's his ankle. Yeah. I don't even get what that is, dude. I don't even see what that is. That's just broken bone. That's all that white shit on the top.

1:59:00That's the bottom of his foot. So he's doing this. He's like showing me like this. Oh my God. Yeah. It's freaky. You look at him. What the fuck do you do and go to a doctor? Yeah. He's like, no, I just walked around. He's an animal, dude. That guy... He gets an assana at 200 degrees, 200 plus. And he gets on an air dime machine with oven mitts on. And he does fucking sprints in the sauna at like 200 degrees. What does he do again? What does his... It's a world champion surfer. Oh, shit. Big wave surfer. Damn. The scary shit. The shit from like Portugal. Yeah. The scary shit. The scary shit. He's an animal.

1:59:38I can't believe people survived those waves. Oh, they don't always. They don't always. How often does his surfer die? A couple of times. When those things come... Yeah, man. When those things come crashing down on you, you fucking... You fucking plummet to the bottom with a million pounds of water on top of you. And you get knocked unconscious. Happens all the time. Guys get driven by the weight of the water. Right into the rocks. Yeah. I'm not into that at all. I'm not into sharks. Yeah. Did you see that fucking lady that they found in a 13 foot alligator's mouth in Florida? I saw the clip. I didn't see the clip.

2:00:15I saw the blurred out picture of it. My sister sent it to me because it's down near where she lives. They fucking found some alligator just dragging a lady. Yeah. How about that shark in Egypt that attacked that man? Oh, that one's horrible. It seems like we're seeing more shark attacks. It seems like it's happening more often. People have better phones. That's probably what it is. Yeah. But that one... I don't... We haven't confirmed whether or not this is true. But what I'd heard was that off the coast of this resort, these people were dumping sheep carcasses. So they had these sheep carcasses and they wanted to get rid of them.

2:00:51So they dumped them off the coast. That's what they would do with them. And then... Yeah. This is a concentration of sharks that happened in that area. And there's a fucking resort there. So this is really nice resort. People are like, oh, fucking, let's go for a swim. You're going for a swim in monster soup. Yeah. And they've been feeding those monsters. Yeah. Yeah. I just fucked that dude up. Yeah. I'm not... It's definitely stories of that happening. I don't know if this exact same area but it might be... Sheep exports linked to Egypt's shark attacks. From 2010. Yeah. So I bet that's... Yeah.

2:01:27Why are a dead sheep washing up on Egypt shores? That's from 2017. So 2010. And then again in 2017. Yeah. Probably. Yeah, it says similar to what happened in Charmble. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was down there in 2022. Animal Carcasses dropped into the scene near that place. Wow. Travel agent noted that. The travel agent. How about they give you a heads up? Hey, by the way, they dump a lot of bloody carcasses in that water. Like what are you doing? Like all you need to do is see jaws. Yeah. And that right there just scares you out the goddamn ocean. Did you see the Meg? It might be the dumbest move of all time.

2:02:09And the Meg too is like hold my beer. Yeah. The Meg too. I watched the Meg too with my daughter. Yeah. Then we're howling. Just howling laughing. It's so goofy. This shark like tries to find people. It works though. It works because I will never go deep sea diving ever. That's never gonna fucking yeah. Yeah. I'm so not in the jungle. And I ain't going deep sea diving. I ain't doing so not in no anacondis for me, no crocodiles. I'll go up and I'll go to Aspen and the angle snowboarding. That's what I'm going to do. I had Paul Rosalie on my podcast and he's a dude that he spends a large amount of time saving the rainforest.

2:02:47Really fucking cool guy. He goes down to the Amazon and he's like saving the rainforest from people that are cutting it down. And what he does is these loggers are just poor man. You know they're not trying to destroy the world. They don't have options man. You know they're poor. And so what he does is he gets them hired to protect the rainforest. So he gets the same people say hey man, this job, what's this job paying you? How about we give you more money and you protect the rainforest and like, thank you. So he hires these guys to do the opposite of what they were doing. And they've protected millions of acres of rainforest just doing this.

2:03:23But this dude, he told me he jumped on an anaconda because he was trying to find out how big it is. He couldn't get his arms around it. He's my size. Yeah. He couldn't get his arms around it. So he's my size. So imagine this. Imagine this. A snake. That wide. He said it was at least 25 feet long. It was slithering through the water and he felt it slither and it's dark out and he tried to hold on to it. So he tried to grab a hold of it like this. I wish I had that kind of courage. I don't know if that's courage. I don't know man. That's crazy. That's crazy. Jungle scared the shit out of me man.

2:03:59I like watching them on TV. I like watching Amazon River documentaries and Congo documentaries. But I will never go into another jungle in my life. You know what my favorite thing is? When jaguars kill crocodiles. It's pretty badass. Crocodiles do shit. They deserve it. They're always sneaking up on antelope. You know, knowing every now and then when a leopard fucking takes them out it feels good. Cats are number one. Cats are number one. They're my favorite. Oh yeah. Because they're so ruthless. It's fucking cats swimming through the water, eating crocodiles. And he's got a cro - there's many videos of this happening.

2:04:34People have caught them hunting crocodiles. But this one. This fucking, this jaguar is carrying a crocodile bigger than him. He's got it by the back of its neck and he's a bottling out of the water with this fucking crocodile in his teeth. Who would have imagined that something would hunt crocodiles? Yeah. You think they'd have no predators? The fucking cats and the Amazon man. They're so big. Those jaguars are big bro. They're big and they're so ruthless. He said he was sleeping in a hammock and a jaguar came right up to his hammock and was breathing in the hammock. Oh. Poor thing. Dude, that's so good.

2:05:17Right there. Dude, you got a good ass fucking lion here. Tiger. Yeah, I'm fascinated by cats. I think that's the scariest way to die. Tigers are the scariest way. You've seen that one with the tiger leaps up and tries to get that guy who's on top of the elephant. Oh yeah. What's a classic? What are you doing? Tiger's the fucking guy. The fuck out of here. Unless you have a fucking machine gun. Yeah. And he's like, you can't have a stick. He's trying to get it off of the stick. Get out of here. Yeah. You just ripped his hand apart. I got lucky. Dude, that's the one thing about. You know, the one good thing about living in a city is you're not going to die by witnessing animals eat you alive.

2:06:08You know what I mean? Right. Every animal in the wild, one day, you're going to witness animals eating you and you're going to be alive and you're going to watch it. Right. And before that happens, you might have your siblings or your kids or your significant other. You're going to want, they're going to get eaten alive. My friend Jim Shock. That's the only thing cool about living in this fucking matrix is at least we're not going to get eaten alive and witnessed it because that's happening for sure in the wild. In the wild, they're going to get you. They're going to, the insects are going to get you or the fucking some kind of cat is going to get you or a bear is going to get you.

2:06:46You're going to watch yourself get eaten alive. That's terrifying, right? My friend Jim Shock. He's a professional hunter and they hired him to go to Africa to kill these crocodiles because these people in this village were getting fucked up by crocodiles so much. And what these people would do is they would set up these areas where it was okay for them to wash and to gather water so they would put like sticks in the ground, you know, like block it off. Like sticks in the water in the ground so that the crocodiles couldn't get through but they still figure out a way to get through. They knew it, they figured it out.

2:07:22And he said when he was there, everybody in the village was like one guy's missing a foot, one guy's missing an arm, one guy's got a chunk taken out of his leg. Yeah. It's like everywhere you look, there was people with like a stump for a hand because they were washing and snap. It just fucking gator rolls and pulls your fucking hand off and you're running into the village with a bone poking out of your forearm. Yeah. Fuck the wild. Fuck that. Fuck that, man. People hunt those. Yeah. They hunt those. Some girl, this girl just killed one with a fucking bow with the largest crocodile that someone's ever killed, that a woman's ever killed with a bow.

2:08:04That's just insane. Here I'll show it to you. Go to a bow mar bow hunting on Instagram. And can you cut it right there? I got it because you got to piss again. This is hilarious. This is comical. You digs broken bro. Are you been drinking? Dude. Too much coffee, dude. Coffee and beer and coffee and beer. I'm going to be pissing fucking all night. I haven't had beer in forever. Feels good. It's hot out. I like our cold beer when it's hot out. Like a lone star.

2:08:34I think Bud Light's going to bounce back. I saw a lot of Bud Light commercials. There's a video. I saw Bud Light commercials that grow football. Look at this. This girl killed this with a bow. Look at this size of that fucking crocodile. Good lord. Is it like an angle thing? An angle thing. You know, sometimes things look bigger than they are just for me. No. No. Look at the fucking tail on her shoulder. Where did she shoot that? Like, where do you got to get this? I think she was in Tanzania. You got to get in the neck or something. It's a good question. I think you have to get it at the base of the brain.

2:09:10Does it say? It says, quartering away about 40 yards. Deep breath, calm down. Buried my pillow and right with the center of his lungs should be. Got him through the lungs. You know that albino. Albinos. Alligators are worth a lot in the leather industry. Did you know that? I just said that. Yeah. Because then you could like, you could die at any color because it's albino and it's white. Oh, interesting. So you make the guys from toe hold. They get special white albino alligator to make alligator flip flops. I wonder if they breed them. If they find like albinoes and they try to breed them with other albinos.

2:09:44It doesn't make sense because it's probably a recessive gene, right? And could you breed them? Or is it just like something that just pops up every now and then it's white? You could if you like shoved them all together. Like, fuck, you got to fuck somebody here. Go ahead. There's something like pale ones. I don't think they care. You know, do you think this racist crocodile? I'm not like whitey. I'm not fucking that white bitch. Dude, how about those people that like, like, I just saw a video of like this family. Like taking pictures next to an alligator and one guy's like kind of holding it down and the mother's coming.

2:10:17Oh, God. Have you seen that? Yeah. So you know it's some bads about to happen. Yeah. Yeah, but the video nothing bad happened. Oh, no, no, no, no, it did snap, but you don't know what happened. The guy had the camera. He just dropped it and you didn't see what happened, but it did turn around and snap. Like, what are you doing, man? Show that video with that 14 foot or 13 .6 foot alligator has this woman in his mouth in Florida. That was just a couple days ago. Yeah, man. They just found this thing walking across the ground with the fucking lady in his mouth. They will fucking kill you. Yeah. And when you're in Florida, they're everywhere.

2:10:52One of them killed a kid at Disney World. Yeah. I was at Disney World and I go, how often do you guys get alligators here? The guy looks and he goes, all the time. I go, can't you stop them? He goes, you don't know when they're there. They just, they find their way into the lakes. And you don't know they're there. It's crazy that they're allowed to, I mean, they're needed, right, to clean up the swamps and stuff in Florida. Like, they're needed, right? If that was, if that was, they're getting killed. They're getting killed by pythons. There's somewhere in the neighborhood of a, there it is. Can you see it?

2:11:28Um, blood. I think they've already taken the lady's body. That's the lady. Heart. Yeah. That, no disrespect, but that looks like the kind of lady that might be eating by crocodile or an alligator. Fuck, man, look at all the blood. Oh, that might actually be the alligator's blood. Who knows? They made a shot at it already. Mmm, Jesus. They identified her. There's one story about this dude. He was, uh, he stole a car. And he, there was a cop chasing him. He gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, lands on the alligator. And that's it. Tracks him under. That's a wrap, son. And the cops are like, all right.

2:12:11And the wild, that's what you have to deal with. Eventually you're going to get caught. Well, the thing about Florida is it's not just the wild. Florida, it's fucking golf courses. They have giant ones. You've seen those videos of giant ones walking across golf courses. Yep. And every now and then a kid goes missing. Mm -hmm. All the time. All the time. Yeah, they're everywhere. And unless you're watching them 24 -7, you don't know where they're going. They're not in Southern California. I'll tell you that. You have alligators out here. Crocodiles. They have alligators. They have alligators in South Texas.

2:12:44Really. Like lakes and stuff. Yeah, lakes. Yeah. You know what I saw a video of a bunch of wild boars. Like there was three of them and they had a bunch of babies. And they're just laying there on trash. So I can some kind of landfill. And all these babies are just sucking on the, you know, the tits. Yeah. And they're just like, they're just trash everywhere. And there's like three or four of them. It's like a swarm. Oh, there's so many of them. There's millions up in the state. Millions. Wouldn't that, wouldn't it make sense like to, they got to kill them, right? They definitely do. They can't keep up with them.

2:13:20They can start breeding when they're six months old. But wouldn't it make sense to kill them for food? Yeah. And just have a bunch of food. Oh, they definitely do that. My friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this amazing restaurant in Austin called Dai Duai. And he runs a school. What is it called?

2:13:43Jesse's school. He runs a school where he teaches people. Out of hunt pigs, how to butcher them, and how to cook them. And he's a chef. So, and these are wild boars. Wild boars. Yeah. That seems like a pretty good business, right? And also very smart. The new school of traditional cookery. And Jesse, I had a chance to hunt with him. In December of last year. And we went to South Texas. Real close to Mexico. And he was cooking for us. So, we're in camp hunting deer. And he would cook for us. So, he had this like world -class chef. He was cooking these amazing meals. You know, from these animals that you, you, you, you, you kill out there.

2:14:30So, he's cooking like ducks and deer. And it's amazing. Amazing. And, and wild pigs, wild boars. What is a wild boar taste like? Chicken. No, no, no, no. Tastes like pork. It tastes like really good pork. It actually is better than regular pork. Yeah, you think that's the problem. That, that solves the problem, right? Yeah. It's a darker meat. It's darker. You know, because they're just, you know, they're, they're so invasive. There's millions and millions of them in the state. And just in Texas? No, all over the South. All over the South. They're all over everywhere. Now, they're in California.

2:15:05I've hunted them in California. I hunted them at the home ranch. I've, I've, I've, I've shot a carancha. It's like Bakersfield. Okay. Out there, it's 270 ,000 acres. It's the biggest private ranch in California. I hunted there with Steve Ronella. I shot one with a, a rifle. And it was this big, big man. We roasted it and oh, it's delicious. It's been eaten in egg corns. It was real fat. It was so good. It's like a delicious fucking meat, man. You know, people frown upon them because they think they're nasty and stinky because they eat everything. But, but if you clean them up and you cook them correctly, they're delicious.

2:15:42And Jesse's a master at that. But it's a, it's a good animal to hunt because they have to hunt them. Yeah. They have so many of them. They're over, they're overrun. There's fucking millions of them. And what's the number one thing they destroy? Crops. Like what? Like all crops. Everything. Everything. Everything. They go into the ground. They fuck the ground up and just destroy the crops. They eat everything. And fences don't keep them out. They go right to fences. They go under fences. They go around fences. They find their way, man. They're fucking really resilient. They're tough as shit. They have like a thick coating on the outside of their chest.

2:16:19Like all around here is like this thick of like this, like it's an armor plate. They have all around, because they could fight with each other because they all have tusks. And so they evolved to develop this like very thick fucking armored plate all around like their neck in this area. Huh. Yeah, they're fucking gnarly, actually. You know what's scary too? Is the video footage like in Africa, like in landfills and they're just filled with baboons and shit. Oh yeah. What? Baboons are crazy. Dude. That's like a dog and a monkey combination. Yeah. And they're, and they actually train dogs to take care of their young.

2:17:00How crazy is that? Yeah, they train dogs. Yeah. Yeah, they have dogs in their camp to like alert them to bring them to the ground. Dude, look, dude, dude, this is a fucking like that's like insane. Insane. What the fuck? Imagine being a guy that's fucking there and you gotta like clean up these landfills and these fucking baboons or everyone. Yeah, imagine if you live by that. There's such a weird looking animal too. They got that long wolf -like face and they got... You would think they would go after humans. They do sometimes. They steal babies. There's been a bunch of instances of baboons stealing people's babies and killing them and eating them.

2:17:34Snatch your baby from you and run away with it. Man, what if they snatch it and raise it? You're right. They eat that thing. Too much work to raise it. That's some scary shit, dude. You know, living near swarms of baboons. You want to live as far away as that shit as possible. What do they deal with on a daily basis? Like, how do you... I mean, because these things are coming in and I'm sure if they're not just straight up attacking, which would be smart for them because like coyotes and possums, they live with us and we don't fuck with them because they don't fuck with us. It's almost like they know.

2:18:17When you see a human just run from them. If you stay in the pack, we're going to get exterminated. It's almost like they know that instinctively, right? Yeah, it is almost like they know instinctively. They're very intelligent. Yeah, we got... They're intelligent like a monkey. I got coyotes all over me and possums and those things look fucking scary. Possums aren't scary though, but they do carry diseases, like serious diseases. They look scary. They look like giant rats. They're coyotes, man. They're fucking clever. They're so clever. They're clever enough to know not to fuck with humans because if they did, they'll take a dog.

2:18:52They'll take a little chihuahua and eat that muffin. But if they started attacking... If they attacked one child, they're just going to go in... There's going to be an extermination process. There was one recently that attacked a kid and there's a video of it. This guy... Yeah, this guy's like a... He set his kid down like his young baby. His kid was like two years old. And he sets his kid down. He's taking some things out of his car and the baby starts screaming. A fucking coyote is dragging the baby away. Did he get the baby back? Yeah, he screamed and ran after it and the kid's crying. It's horrible.

2:19:25Have you seen those videos of cats defending babies and kids? Yes. That's some cool shit. Yeah, man. That's some cool shit. That was this one video where a baby gets out of his little crib or something and is about to like fall down the stairs. And a cat just fucking jumps in front of him and pushes him back. That's some crazy shit. That is crazy. That's super intelligent right there. Well, yeah, that's family. And there was another video where it was like an front yard and some dog went after a kid and the cat came out of nowhere. Yeah, and fucked up the dog. Yeah, yeah. That's some beautiful shit right there.

2:20:00That is beautiful. Yeah. You got a pet that will help you. You would think the cats wouldn't do shit. You know, you would think that they wouldn't do shit. But probably most of them won't do shit to protect their... Well, they think of that baby as like a part of their family. That's like they would be like, look at that. Dude. Yeah. What? Yeah. Come on, man. That's beautiful. Yeah, that's crazy. Look at that. Whoa. It's like that. Just save that baby. How does this kid... How smart is this cat? They're smart. I mean, they think of a baby as like part of their family, you know? Or they... Or they could be thinking, okay, the mother of this baby is my provider.

2:20:44I got to protect everything. I don't think they think like that. I think they think that that's like one of their family. I think that's what they think. I'm just guessing. Did I tell you when a coyote honey potted my dog, Johnny? Remember Johnny Cash? Yeah. Wait, wait, Johnny Cash, which was... After Frank's death. The Master's. Oh, yes. Yes. So, we had chickens, right? And chickens, they brood. And what a brood is. It's like sometimes chickens, when there's no rooster, they're convinced, like, chickens lay eggs every day. Pretty much. And they don't turn into chicks. Because there's no rooster to fertilize the egg, right?

2:21:21Rooster fucks the hand, the hand lays an egg that eggs viable, it becomes a chick. Yeah. But chickens don't know that. So sometimes they get it in their head that this egg is going to be a baby. And so they pluck their own feathers out, and they sit on this egg. If you come near them, they pick at you, and they're brooding. And they won't lay an egg for a long time. And to get them out of the brooding, what you have to do is you have to take them from their big chicken coop. And then you have to put them in a small chicken coop where they have to hold onto a railing. So they can't sit down on the ground and brood.

2:21:53And there's no egg in there. So they have to sit on this railing hole. If you keep them there for a few days, they snap out of it. Then you put them back into chicken coop. Well, this fucking coyote was so smart that it became friends with Johnny. And Johnny was like this giant dog. He was fucking huge. He was 140 pounds as big old fucking head. And this other chicken coop was small. So we had the big chicken coop that was protected from coyotes and such. And then the small chicken coop that you would put the brooders in. And so somehow or another, this coyote became friends with Johnny. And the pool guy fucked up and he left the gate open.

2:22:32So the gate was open to where the chicken coop was. And the coyote convinced Johnny to destroy this little chicken coop. And so like he didn't do it, he was too little. The coyote is like 30 pounds, but Johnny is like a buck 40. And the coyote couldn't eat Johnny because he was huge. But he thought this chicken was this coyote was his friend. And so I'm sitting there. We're playing some kind of game. I forget we're playing Monopoly or some shit. And we're looking out the window. And I see a fucking coyote running through the backyard with a chicken in his mouth. And he hops on top of the bro. We had like a six foot fence.

2:23:10This coyote jumped to the top of that fence like an acrobat. Put his paws, his two front paws, then his back paws, with a chicken in his mouth and sprung over the fence. I was like, mother fucker. And we ran outside and I'm like, how did this fucking coyote get a hold of the chicken? How did this happen? And then I went over to where the chicken coop was and there's Johnny. Just sitting here with his destroyed chicken coop, looking to me like, what do I do? And I was like, what the fuck did you do, man? He destroyed the chicken coop. The coyote convinced him to get into that chicken coop. Because he couldn't do it.

2:23:44So he tore the chicken coop apart. And the coyote was like, thank you. Snatch, see ya. Psh. Yo, that's crazy. Crazy. But then Johnny got a taste of chickens. He decided that, oh, well, I should kill chickens too. And Johnny was huge. So another time someone else left the fucking fence open. And Johnny just went through the chicken coop, the big one. Because he was so big, he just fucking tore it apart. And he killed nine chickens. And by the time I got to him, like, we looked out the window, it was like, why is Johnny in the chicken coop? Fuck! We ran outside and he had torn a hole in the chicken coop and just went ham.

2:24:22So we had like 19 chickens left and he killed nine of them. Fuck. And there was a few that were still alive. They were fucked up. A big old fucking puncture wounds in the mid -shit where he was just shaking them. And then he got into the next one. And then he got into the next one. And then he died. A old age? Yeah. How long ago was that? Quite a while ago. He was 13. It was real sad. He was like 10 years ago. It was real. At the end, man, he couldn't even walk. I used to have to carry him outside. And then he would go to the bathroom and then I'd carry him to his food. It was sad. It was so sad.

2:24:56That's how one of my cats got cancer. Man, you just watch him die slowly. Yeah. It's crazy. Do you know a lot of dogs and cats get cancer from dog food? Like the kind of food like dry kibble, not all of it. I don't want to spare it all of it, but a lot of dry kibble is just not good for them. Yeah. Well, I switched Marshall to this frozen food. It's raw, frozen food. And dude, it changed his health so much. He lost body fat. He gained energy. He looks better. It's like, it just makes sense. It's like meat. It's frozen meat and potatoes and like green beans and shit. And he fucking loves it. And he's served it to them frozen.

2:25:41He's poured it and he scoop it out, served it in their bowl. And he fucking goes nuts for it. But it's like, changed his health. And I was kind of embarrassed that I didn't do that early. There's a couple of companies that do that. Like there's like farmers, dogs, that's really good. There's a bunch of different companies that have real food. It's real food. It's like human grade food that you serve to your dogs. It's like, of course. Of course. You ever eat a piece of fucking dog kibble? It tastes so bland and such bullshit. It's just filler and who knows? Not all of them. Again, so I'm sure some of them are good.

2:26:11But a lot of them is just like, what's in there? What the fuck is in there? Especially when I was growing up, we would get a gigantic bag of plain rap dog food. Yeah. Jarrick dog food. Jarrick. Jiant fucking sacked. It keeps them alive. Yeah. But it's not, they don't enjoy it. Yeah. And I started serving him alchemy. So what I would do is I would get some of the elk that I would kill. I would get it ground. I'd get it ground up. And then I would give him like a chunk of that in his food. I was gonna ask you that. It's like, giving the stuff you hunt. Yeah. And I was like, this is so much better for him.

2:26:49Like, he loved it. But this is like balanced. Like, it's balanced. It's like, cube beef. Like, it's like, little, I mean, it's, look, you look at it's fresh. It's just fresh frozen. Little cubes of beef and green beans and blueberries and shit and dude. It's changed him. Like, he's like, he's like thin now. He lost 10 pounds. He was like 86 pounds. Now he's like 75 pounds. He looks fucking great. He's got so much energy. He was just like, he was developing all this body fat. And it's like, just processed food, man. It's just like humans. If you give a human cereal every day, they're gonna look like shit.

2:27:26You know, it's just not good for them. Yeah. Most, most, most disease, I'm sure, is caused by what we put in our mouths. Yeah. A lot of it. A lot of it is bad food and then environmental factors, right? I was reading about this thing where dudes who cut countertops in California, there's a lot of guys who are dying from an incurable respiratory disease. Guys who like, you know, do construction work and they're cutting countertops. Yeah. Apparently some of these, see if you can find that, some of these countertops, it's fucking, they're inhaling toxic fumes when they saw this shit. Yeah. You know, these fucking young guy had like a oxygen tank.

2:28:10Here it is. California workers who cut countertops are dying of an incurable disease. Fuck, man. Industrial stretch of Pinoema, Pocoyma rather, man labored over hefty slabs of speckled stones, saws whining over sounds of Spanish language rock, pale dust rose around them as they worked, many went without masks, some had water spurting from their machines, but others had nothing to tamp down the powder rising the air. Nobody uses water one man at a Dodger's cap said in Spanish when Maria Cabrera approached holding flyers about silicoces, an incurable and suffocating disease that has devastated dozens of workers across the state and killed men who have barely reached middle age.

2:28:55Fuck, man. Imagine that man, you just got a fucking job and it's just kills you. I used to work, I worked out a place for two weeks that bulletproofed cars and for diplomats and for like check cashing mobile vans, you know, just bulletproofed, and basically all it is is you, you take apart, you put, you put slabs of fiberglass in the doors, you know, say the doors are just filled with sheets of fiberglass, so you have to cut the fiberglass to fit the door, and when you cut it, when you're like sawing it, there's all this fiberglass dust particles all over, fiberglass dust everywhere. I remember thinking fuck this, even at, I was 18 or 19 when I did that, and you had face masks and everything like those N95 and whatever, but I remember thinking this fucking can't be good last the two weeks, I had enough of that shit.

2:29:51I did construction, I laid fiberglass and people's basements and then the easements and then they, did you cut fiberglass pieces and stuff? I cut that shit with the razor knives, you know, with like, exacto knives, you cut it and then place it in place, I was always itchy, and you're sweating because it's summertime and Boston. So it's fucking 90 degrees outside, it's all humid and you're in this attic, and here's breath in that shit, and we didn't wear masks, we didn't have nothing, and I was thinking, what the fuck am I doing in here? You're always itchy, like it just would get in your pores and fuck, man.

2:30:28Dude, growing up, you know, because my stepdad's an architect, I got a lot of jobs on construction sites, and man, did I learn about fucking work, like real work, like hard work, like labor work, and that taught me that I don't want to do that. Oh yeah, I went through the same thing. I don't want to do, no, I don't want to do that. I roofed for a week, I'm like, no, I ain't roofed. I don't want to sweat while I was still fighting, so I would do that all day, and then I would try to go to the gym at night, and I would be hitting the bag, I was so tired. I was stupid back then, I had drink water, I was totally dehydrated, I was eating sub sandwiches, I was just so -to -pop for lunch, I didn't take vitamins, burritos.

2:31:13Yeah, and then I'd go and try to work out, and I said, I had nothing, and I remember thinking, oh my god, I have to quit, I can't do this, I have to figure out another job. That's when I started teaching, I was like, I have to - and then I started, well I was teaching and delivering newspapers. I was like, I'd rather be poor. Have you gotten into your fasting now, right? I do intermittent fasting, yeah. You don't eat breakfast. I very rarely eat breakfast. Yeah, me too. I usually eat my first meal after I work out, which is usually around like noon -ing. Huge. Working out on empty stomach? You were telling me about that, that changed my stomach.

2:31:50Oh, that's right, yeah, you were telling me about that. Yes, huge. What's changed my life is eliminating most carbs in this carnivore diet. That's changed my life, changed everything. So you wake up a couple, because you could have a cup of black coffee. Yeah, I'll have coffee. I drink black coffee anyway. I don't put anything in my coffee. And you wait till what time to eat? Noonish. Noonish? You ever go like four or five -ish? Yes. Yeah, sometimes I come straight here. I don't even eat. The thing about when you eat only meat too, you don't really get hungry the same way. Because you don't have that carb craving that you get.

2:32:26So what I do is first thing in the morning, I get in the cold water. That's my first thing before I work out. Sometimes I'll have a cup of coffee first. Say goodbye to my kids. You know, send them off to school, kiss my wife. And go, okay, here we go. Yeah, here we go. And then I fucking suffer. And I get in that fucking cold water for three minutes every morning. Every fucking morning. It's like game changer, son. Game changer. That's a tough one, man. That's a tough one. I don't like it. But I love how I feel when I get out of there. I get out of there, I'm like, whoa! And I do like a series of body weight exercises to warm up.

2:33:01I do 100 push ups, 100 body weight squats. And then I start my workout. Nice, nice. Before I started working out on an empty stomach, I would in between like whatever, like I was doing bench. In between the sets, I'd be like on my phone, doing emails or whatever. I mean, I wouldn't do shit for like two, three minutes. And then I'd do the next set. And then I would see other people doing sets. And they were doing sets in between their sets. Like they would just jump and start doing body weight squats. And in shrugs or something like other shit. In between what they're doing. Like, whoa, I could never do that.

2:33:34I'm like, I didn't have the, and I thought back then I was working out on an empty stomach because I would have like a little protein bar and a little shake and some vitamins. I thought that was an empty stomach. That's not an empty stomach. Your body still is expending energy trying to deal with that shit in your stomach. Yeah, for sure. So if you don't, like if you ate a tremendous meal, boss, the bread, you did just stuffed yourself. And then you try to workout. That would zap like what 80 % of your energy. You'd be right. Like 80, 70%. So, you know, a little bar and a little shake and some vitamins.

2:34:06Maybe it's not 80%. But it's like 10%, 15%. And that makes a difference. So once I started, you know what's crazy? I heard it from people. Like I heard it from GSP. I heard it from a football player, DK Metcalf. All day, it doesn't eat. Maybe it's like some like candy. It's a little skittles just to get like a sugar rush or something. But it's one meal a day. And then when I heard it from Mikey Musa -Metchie, I'm like, you know what? Let me try this shit. Let me try this shit. And man, my workouts, dude, I'm doing body weight squats. Because I can't do weighted squats because of the metal in my back.

2:34:42I can't put any weight on my shoulders. Is that the case with your disc replacement? How is that doing? How is that? You know, when I went in there originally, six years ago, the doctor said, okay, both your L5 and L4 are fucked. Your L5 is worse. That one needs to be replaced right away. You had no disc. You were basically not in the L5. Yeah. But the other one above it was looking like shit too. So he said, you wanted to both of them right now? If you don't, you don't have to come back in like five, six years and do the one above it. I didn't need to both of them. Because people were telling me, don't ever do shit that you don't need.

2:35:22I was hearing that because it was a game time decision. I didn't have to make the decision until right when they laid me on the table and they said, the doctor said, what do you want to do? Because I had choices. I could have went fusion because I was barely qualified for a disreplacement. Barely. It was that fucked up. Yeah, they're going to, dude, because you have to, your spine has to be a certain way for disreplacement to work. So you have to like qualify it for it. And so the doctor said, you can do disreplacement, but you're right on the cusp. And he goes, we could do this. We could do fusion, which boxes it up, the L5.

2:35:57We could do one fusion. We could do two fusions. We could do one disc. We can do two discs. Or we could do one fusion and one disc. Whatever you want to do. Or you could just do one disc. Come back to you. He left it up to me. In that wild. Yeah. So I decided, let's go just one disc. And I'll come back five or six years. And it's been five, six years. So my back has been like super stiff sore. It got really fucked up exactly a year ago. Remember, I did your podcast like last September and do that whole weekend. I could barely put my shoes on. It was really, really bad. And then I heard about the guy that fixed Dave Grogens back.

2:36:43Is that his name? Dave Grogens. That guy. He mentions a guy that fixed his back. And his name is Joe Hippensteel. And one of my students works for him. And he goes, man, we could fix, it was a woman. She goes, we could fix her back. I go, I got metal in my back. Nothing's going to fix my back. I'm going to need surgery again. And this is about like six months ago. And she said, just come and talk to Joe. I'll set up a appointment. Talk to Joe. He fixed Dave Grogens. And Grogens. God, what do I say, Grogens? Grogens. And I'm said, okay, so I set up an appointment. You know, he's in San Diego. I met him.

2:37:21He's like a former Olympic level, the Catholic. And he figured out how what's wrong with most injuries. His whole system is my back. The pain I'm getting is my lower back muscles are locked. They're actually literally locked. That's why you're stiff and you can't move in its sore. You have to unlock the muscles and people don't know how to unlock them. So his style of stretching unlocks the muscle. It takes about an hour and a half to do his stretching routine. But it's all on a timer. You do a two minute stretch here. One minute rest. Don't do nothing. Don't move. Two minutes stretch. One minute rest.

2:38:04Don't do nothing. Because the general philosophy is you got to stretch to unlock a muscle. You got to do it slowly. You can get in there and start throwing elbows and fucking yanking and stretching. Because that does nothing. That just makes it worse. You got to do a slow stretch. You do pretty well. And there can't be any pain. So there's certain stretches for your lower back. There's five of them. Just for your lower back. There's like 27 total but for your lower back there's five. And you do them and you're on a clock. Did you go to him to talk to him? I went to him and I did it on. I'm in the middle of it.

2:38:38I'm doing it. My back feels like 80 % better. Really? Yes. It's all about unlocking your muscles. Go to this guy's website. Joe Hippensteel. Wow. Yeah. So he flies out every week to the Cleveland Browns. He's a Cleveland Browns physical therapist. Like he shows them all these stretches. I'm going to show you some shit. He works with the San Diego Padres too. So I'm in the process of unlocking my muscles. But your muscles have memory. So they always go back and they always relax. So every day I got to do these stretches. I'm hoping I'm hoping I don't have to have surgery. And it looks like I'm headed to full recovery.

2:39:19It really looks like that. I'm going to show you something that Goggins just sent me. God, how do I save this? How do I save this? Can't so hold on. Okay. Hold on a second. Say it.

2:39:39Okay.

2:39:45It was just here a week ago. Goggins was? No, no, no. Hippensteel was doing a event here a week ago. He does seminars. He's so awesome, man. He spent the whole afternoon with me. Didn't even charge me. Yeah, that's him. He's got a way of stretching that no one else does. It's not yoga. Yoga is like just to get your blood moving. If you want to unlock muscles, like he says, like when you have a shoulder injury, the pain is coming from your bicep locking. So you got to unlock your bicep. So that I'm, you know, no expert in his style. But I've, I know a little about it. And it's working for me, man.

2:40:32It's working. What's the name? It's ultimate. That's it. Ultimate human performance. Joe Hippensteel in San Diego. Man, if, you know, if you're thinking about getting surgery, you should look into this first. It's, it's, it's, it sounds amazing. And the crazy thing is the stretching, there's not supposed to be any pain, so there is no pain. Everything has to be, when you, when you get in a stretch, you have to get at seven. You don't want to get eight, nine, ten pain. Seven. And then the exactly, you do it slowly. It's like cooking like a brisket. You do it slowly. You don't just nuke it. Right.

2:41:08You got to do it slowly. You slow, so the, the basic philosophy behind it is, you stretch the muscle and the stretch is just a little bit. And then you rest for a minute. Don't do nothing. You don't move. And you lay on your back. It's called the dead zone. And then it just, it feels, the muscles that got stretched, it feels with blood. And then you go back two more minutes, it stretches a little bit more, and then you rest for one minute. Don't do nothing, dead zone. And then it feels a blood a little bit more. And then little, it's a slow. And it's an hour and a half. Slow? About an hour and a half.

2:41:38So you do it every day. I tried to. If I'm on the road, it's tough, but you could just do it on your back. It's so easy. It's super easy. I'll put it on the back. Yeah. So goggins is the spare time. Oh, spare time. Yeah. He fired jumps. So this is a dude that's wealthy. Goggins has a lot of money. How did he make his money? He sold a book. His book can't hurt me. He sold the shit. Give me some volume. So give me some volume.

2:42:06Why isn't it playing? Why isn't it having any volume? Hmm. Anyway, so he fired jumps into this area and look at these grizzly bear tracks. So what he does is he fired jumps for the challenge. He doesn't fire jump for money. Like most of these guys are fire jumping. They pay you to do it. So he does it just because it's fucking hard to do. And so he sends me this video of these fucking giant bear tracks. He's a size 12 foot. Look, he's putting right next to his bear track. So he sends me this video. And I go, oh my god, I go, don't get eaten brother. And he goes, fuck it. Here it is. Okay. So we'll probably have an overnight partner here.

2:42:59He's grizzly bear press man. Look at these motherfuckers. Look at this big as my foot. This is a massive fucking grizzly bear. Massive fucking grizzly bear. Look at this shit. Even though how wide it is. This is fucking a massive ass grizzly bear. And as you see, he walks right through there to go school. And so we were in big time grizzly bear territory.

2:43:33So I sent him a text message. I said, shit. I said, don't get eaten brother. He goes, fuck it. Stay hard brother. If you see me fighting a bear, help the bear. Look at his head. Hello. And then he writes, Goggins was like 10 exclamation points. That's crazy. Hey dude, I got to catch a flight. Let's let it go. Oh, it's rapidly than three hours. Yeah, we did it. Thank you. I love you to death brother. I love you too man. I'm on rock fin. That's where I get all conspiratorial. Rock fin dot com slash Eddie Bravo. Instagram. Eddie Bravo. 10p. Combat jujitsu on UFC fight pass. Don't miss it. Combat jujitsu is amazing.

2:44:15All right. We're done. Thank you. Bye buddy.