#2041 - Steve Strope

35:32They're gonna give you a Steve's trope robot that'll be terrific You know like Ken from the Barbie movie I hope not Yeah, and the new the first ones won't be able to feel real pleasure And so you have to sign off on that but then the next ones the better ones will that's where this is going So you have to decide whether or not you're gonna get another surgery Well, you're gonna get your they've never removed a brain from one robot and put it in another robot You know that right yeah, but they pretty yeah they know how to do it They know they're pretty good at it. Who's they these new people in the future the robot brain scientists.

36:03Oh good Yeah, we dropped in for that. I would rather just say let's see what's next Let's let the lights go down and see what's next Hey good question. It's a good question. Oh I don't know it's hard to say because everybody's scared to die but no one's scared to sleep Hmm that's a good statement. Yeah, it's weird. Oh because you're expecting the odds are you're waking up you should be expecting the other one too Hmm, you know true comes for all of us Yeah, that's a great equalizer is it not I wonder if that's like you know if Satan was real that would be the ultimate temptation to trick you Into transferring your consciousness into something immortal so that you can never experience heaven Whenever wild if that's what's going on Because everybody wants to think that even people that believe in God they don't necessarily talk too much about Satan It's very rare.

37:00My I have it. I have a very You're good old standard issue religious background with my parents and where did you start off with? Uh well uh And I'm from it. We're gonna get into Appalachian in a little while Appalachian Appalachia Appalachian Appalachian mountains the e -haw stuff down south. What kind of stuff did you guys do? What kind of stuff You guys stuff. What did you guys do? Appalachian New York is a very very small farm town in upstate New York still has a red light at the end of it Where it meets for 34 okay has a post office and a fire station Okay, and known for a very important large mafia bus in 1957.

37:48There's a mafia bus There's actually a paperback and a movie about Appalachian. What's the what's the movie or paperback Appalachian. It's just called Appalachian. Yes. Yes, sir. And it's all about the mom. It's a huge bust Look at it on this day in 1957 the FBI finally had to admit that the mafia existed They were all gathered in a farmhouse the leaders of the main mob families and they were basically working out um Jurisdictions properties. I think I was researched some stuff one time and I stumbled across this meeting happened after I failed meeting in Cleveland Because the Cleveland family fucked up the meeting and they got mad so like fucker were doing it in New York Yep, they did it and so the two sheriffs just saw these black cattle ads and Lincoln's going up to this farmhouse and I think if Memory serves me right they kind of fucked up and all panicked and ran into the woods in fact that No, they did do that But if they would just would have said hey, we're just hanging out right that what are you gonna prove?

38:51But they all bailed and they ran into that if I remember right there coming out of the woods near where my dad Where my grandma's house was that was a dirt road back then and I could take you there the houses on top of a little hill behind the area where we have our fireman's field days over here Now state troopers noticed all the fancy cars parked in barbers driveway and started taking down license plate numbers Some have suggested that how hard back in the 57 you get a license plate number What is it like a week do you find out whose fucking car it is? You know what I mean? It suggests that one of the Genevieve's rivals tipped the cops in hopes of spoiling Genevieve's crown ceremony Oh god the assembled mafia also noticed this and began to panic some fled into the woods some hidden in the basement Others ran to their cars and tried to drive away the troopers caught about 60 of them When questioned many insisted they were there for a barbecue.

39:42Yes, they had just come to visit their good friend Joe Barbara Who's recovering from a hard tack when all was said and done the troopers had apprehended mafia leaders from New York New Jersey Tampa Los Angeles Cleveland Dallas. It's like big me and other locations But isn't that funny like what did they bust them for just being there? I don't know what they all wanted already they just well I think this the paperwork laying on the inside was showing Dividing up territories. Oh, and it was it was one of the first times that the FBI had pulled up hold up look at this The whole thing made national news and finally forced the FBI to acknowledge that organized crimes of matter worthy of notice Some believe the jadger hoover's reluctance to acknowledge the mob's existence can be described to the mafia somehow acquiring photographs of hoover and drag Using those to blackmail him and believing the mafia alone.

40:31There is no evidence to suggest that this is true That was always the rumor that he drove but that would be the rumor if there was a guy that ran the FBI like what dark Secrets to see have you know if he's like holding the secrets of everyone what is he good probably you'd have to have secrets You'd probably go crazy if you didn't yeah, you know like you're the one who keeps the secrets you'd probably do the weirdest shit So the i -ball so almost Automatically you think that he would wear a drag Yeah, that's where my brain goes that's what my brain would go like we're doing some freak shit It's doing some quote freak shit freak shit.

41:05You know if you you will are more you know dark -minded You would think even horrible things they're doing horrible things. Oh, that's always the the worry that people have about like The elites like what are they doing like the scullin bones and the like what kind of fucking rituals Oh, he me and the freak shit are they doing freak shit are you doing? You know and getting away with yeah when you're on a 500 million dollar yacht every weekend And you're just fucking balling all over the world hang out with your other ball and all over the world But he's doing freak shit. Yep. Staying in the club together.

41:37Mm -hmm hunting people Okay, you know I'm saying yeah freaky freaky. Yeah So anyway background small south -eastern Baptist church But adds a teacon at the church my sister is a married somebody that who's a pastor and she moved to France Mountain player and she's a missionary there So all the basic Christian education I got it Mm -hmm, but no one you know has had conversations with the devil right? No, not really but people I bet you've talked to people that said God has talked to them Not I don't know my dad would never say God talked with me directly said you know he reads the Bible and it's not an uncommon thing though No, but my my background or the the church are grew up in and my mom and dad are are pretty strict like Pastor Walter growing up that guy was a logger You know this was this was a small little town that's a cool story and and and oh he had I'm not kidding He had a scar from here down through his joddy here a chainsaw jumped back and went oh Cut him right through the face.

42:46That's a man. That's a manly man right there like a teddy Atlas took himself to the hospital tile with a tile and a side or a shirt on the side of his face of course he did Yes, he did probably would have fucking stapled a shot of you always And I was and he was the nicest pleasant like high good afternoon. Yeah, he was going some shit. Oh my goodness. I have to convince you So so everything it was real simple. Here's a good book read it if it says yes do it if it says no don't it that's all There's no pop and circumstance. There's no Real simple real straightforward So the my dad would be interested and he'll be listening to this So he would be interested in your in your thing of if if the end times doesn't come and and Satan can say hey Guess what I can do but here's the thought would somebody take that if Satan really was clever Oh, he if he's real if he's real he is the prince and power of the air right is the great deceiver.

43:40He is he's very clever But right, but if Satan is a real thing What a genius thing To make it ridiculous to believe in him Would a genius thing to make it so that even saying your you've communicated with Satan or saying you sound like a lunge? A lunge Because if you're just not a man, I said that if the president said God is with our troops. We would say awesome But if the president said we've located the devil. He's in Afghanistan and we're beginning bombing He'd be in the like what What the fuck did you say about genius because if if you're ridiculed or look like a lunge for believing in Satan Then by default you're a lunge for believing in God.

44:25So he's done his job by negating everything Well sort of well too a lot of people are believing God. They're both in the same book They believe in Satan as a concept. I think I think it's like a there's like a graph True of people that like if you had a pie chart of all the people that believe in God right sure Or the entity one thing that this that Satan's a real thing is probably like a quarter of the pie And if they read again, not some weird crazy, but just the plain Jane Bible right Satan was the number one angel. He was number two in charge. He was the big cheese and said I want to have everything and God was like Not gonna happen Yeah, but isn't that always like even the mob?

45:05Yes, kind of thing happened number two try to try to do number one. Yeah when they killed a Paul Castellano In front of spark stay -couse in New York City. That's a shot you have right there in the hall. No What do we have? Oh, that's Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. That's right. That's yeah, that's a different one Yeah, I So in my area around me there's a lot of Italian growing up lots of Italian lots of Italian right So I got good food. There you go really good food, but tell you know how to eat. Oh that got a good pleasure The Italians got it nailed there. They do they do It's crazy is the difference between their food here and their food in Italy It's like it's it's it's gone its own Shoot yeah, but that's not what I mean.

45:49I mean in terms like what it does to your body. I would really like some fucking science to be done on it Like what is happening you go to Italy you eat their pasta you don't feel bad at all You come to America you feel like you ate a bowl of glue I'm like oh my god. I can't move. Hey bowl of glue. I can't move. There's something about their bread It's different that apparently they have heirloom wheat they have different wheat before we started fucking with it We should unfuck the wheat kids Because I know it's like a higher yield Joe Rogan's new unfun the wheat I think But you know there's also some people that believe that one of the things that we're experiencing when people have like gluten intolerance It's an intolerance to wheat is actually you might be getting glyphosate from it This is a highly speculative theory, but they've tested people and they found that what was it?

46:38Like 94 % of people 94 % of people have glyphosate in their body and glyphosate is toxic It's an herbicide. Yeah, it's an herbicide It's because what we do to plant and grow wheat? Yes, well we go corn You know monsanto created it and they created a corn that that is immune to it So you eat like this monsanto corn and they can spray glyphosate on and it kills everything else it kills all the bad And then just get the nice corn The problem is that stuff gets in everyone's body in some small amount and the question is like Is your body able to filter out the amount that it has in it? Like what's the let's the toxic level?

47:22Are we below the fear? Is it fear mongering because like there's a certain amount of top metals that you're going to get just for meat and sushi If you get some salmon or some tuna rather from the Pacific Ocean There's real high possibility that you could get mercury in it some amount right isn't it like what's the prevalence of uh toxic metals in tuna? Let's just guess because I think I have a friend I don't want to mention this to anybody's brilliant and he won't eat fish from the Pacific anymore And I said why and he said Fukushima He said they're literally dumping This nuclear water into the ocean and we don't know what's going to happen We don't know What effect this is going to have we don't know the the oceans is going to easily absorb it or whether it's going to kill fish We don't know if it's going to contaminate them but they're going to have levels of radiation.

48:18He was freaking me out Oh boy, and he's a lot smarter than me Ah well You're not in the man. He doesn't fucking eat fish from the Pacific anymore. I'm like whoa is that valid? So what's the first of all? It's look at first one is tuna Are there levels high levels of mercury in tuna? Yeah, so you could get mercury poisoning from one serving Yeah, sorry, let me rephrase that the amount of mercury you're allowed to have in a week you could get in one serving of tuna Jesus So if you're eating sushi every day Because I've heard of people actually getting sick from eating sushi every day like they literally get mercury poisoning Yeah Not not good.

49:04No Um What is that shit that I had for snick? Yes, I am what I was eating um sardines like every day. I love sardines Okay, I love them. So I eat like three cans of sardines a day and I go to my doctor. I get my blood work done He goes um His you have arsenic in your body arsenic arsenic. Yeah trace levels of arsenic and I said how much like someone Trying to poison me he goes I don't think so he goes you can allow seafood I go eat three cans of sardines a day. He goes don't do that Don't do that and he explains to me that these are bottom feeders and that they live a lot of times in the areas that are polluted by humans So we fucking polluted the ocean to the point where if you eat too much fish you get sick You know all these people that are worried about the weather warming up and climate change what are we doing to the ocean What are we doing?

49:58I mean how many what's the number In terms of deep population how much fish are missing from the ocean then I think a large amount Let's ask the population the fish population the ocean now versus 50 years ago. Let's find that out. Let's guess Let's guess before we before you give me the answer Let's guess How much of the oceans fish has been depleted in the last 50 years? I'm gonna say 50 % no I'm gonna say 70 % 70 % yeah, I'm gonna say 70 % I was at like 45 That's probably reasonable. I might be fear -mongering. Let's find out fear -mongering. Yeah, I've done that before. Oh good You're not a lot, you know, like you know you're not massively You know, you play cornhole at the beach.

50:50I'm not like a cornhole player Right Played if she times at the beach with my kids It's on ESPN now. I guess it's a legit sport. Oh dear. So Jamie, what was your guess help us all? I was trying There's too many questions. I have before I could give you a good guess because it's already a strange Like how are they gonna measure that in 1950 and how would you know how many fucking fish there are very good question Very good question especially when more than six. Yeah, especially when you there's more than six fish Yes, especially when you account for the fact that we haven't really explored most of the ocean So how they measure it is itself of how much they're pulling out right measure how much They've taken in for the murder.

51:30It's what's the yeah, it's the estimates the mass that's down 1950 total catch of fish in the ocean was an estimated 18 .5 million metric tons Now a half century later it says 73 .5 million That's an increase that's an increase But another guy says that 90 % of all large fish have been removed since from the ocean since 1950 and I don't like how How would he know yeah click on his Put it up there. Let's see what he says. Well that sounds interesting because that sounds crazy 90 % Clover popularizes the work of fishery scientists such as Daniel Pauli a marine biologist University of British Columbia In Vancouver Canada who have pieced together a picture of imminent catastrophe in the global ocean Among the first to recognize that fisheries catch rates were in decline worldwide Pauli discovered in 2001 that the phenomenon had previously gone unnoticed Owing to systematic distortions in catch trends that were skewed by incorrect reports from countries with big fisheries in 2003 Boris worm and ransom Myers of Dal hoi he said that Dal hoi Dal hoi he sure University and how facts Nova Scotia reported that 90 % of all large fish including tuna swordfish and Marlin and cod had been removed from the ocean since 1950 Holy shit Holy shit Well the land the end of the line is informative clothe is at a bookie wrote the end of the line Clover's reporting reveals that bluefin tuna the endangered species with perhaps the most alarming plight in the ocean is allegedly being bought and frozen in bulk by major corporations once ocean supplies run dry the frozen fish could be sold at sky high prices So they're freezing tuna in bulk because they anticipate they're gonna run dry That's wild.

53:32They're stockpile and like they do diamonds Clover's portrayal of the global fisheries problem falls down on two counts Over simplification and polarization although current fisheries policy is inadequate much of its based on science Okay, Clover's legit where have we heard that before right Clover suggests for example that the practice of discarding by which some 7 million tons of caught fish are thrown back into the sea each year has a risen because fishermen Simply do not want the species they have caught but wasteful discarding is more often the consequence of the fisheries policy that is designed to prevent fishermen targeting juveniles and species outside of their allotted quota Well that makes sense because they killed fish and then they have to throw some of them back in the water because they killed fish They were too small but but that's because it's indiscriminate.

54:20They're still killing them if that's what they're saying Clover's quick to point out the culprits of the fisheries crisis slippery politicians greedy fishermen and thoughtless consumers in big businesses while making activists and scientists the stars this show But in adopting a tone of advocacy with its inherent moralism Clover isolates viewers and misses an opportunity to place this problem in context Huh, that's it still seems like it's there's a problem. They're just kind of like making it look pretty over exploitation of fisheries Is one part of the huge dilemma that humans face and increasingly resource limited world we can seek sustainability But we will not be able to diversify our consumption indefinitely and climate change will decrease marine resources further If they always have to bring about a climate change if you don't people won't take you seriously Those most affected will be the fisher folk of developing countries who fish or folk Fish or folk why do I hate that term who make up 98 % of people who are directly dependent on fisheries for their livelihood Because it's not fishermen.

55:21Yeah, it's fish or folk bro Some of our it's fish or folk how many non -binary fishermen are there out there? That's what I want to know that might be the lowest population of non -binary Humans in in groups on earth fishermen. No, Fisher folk fish or folk. They don't want to fucking hear any of that Fisher folk all those people that are risking their lives to get you crab Doesn't even sound like a real word cartoon fish or folk Hmm, it sounds like something they say on the hobbit Sure, you know fish or folk we're going to visit the fish or folk Yeah, oh good. That's what it is Those guys that fucking risk their lives to get you the crabs you ever watch that show oh the deadliest catch I mean the crabs are great, but Jesus Christ boys.

56:05That's a lot of work. Fucking scary job, but it must be thrilling as fuck Yeah, you know, I'm not into getting grabbed by a wave and thrown over the side in Arctic waters My friend Clay Guida did it for a little while. I think he did it for the adventure too. He's crazy He's a UFC fighter, but he's out of his mind, but he's crazy Yeah, he's a wild man, but you know, that's the kind of guy who would you know Take a ride on one of them boats go get some crabs. Yeah, I'm they pay you a lot of money though And they probably should I think they have to because people die because it's crazy you fall in that water your fucksville Yep, that's not good.

56:39Yep, and that thing sloshing all over the place I don't think I can handle that you have to sleep in that fucking thing now And they go out for a long time. It's above my pay grade. Yeah, I'm not doing it. Well thank god you can fucking turn a wrench serve So I was I was going to springboard Off of apple again because that's from once I came stay on track. I love it. I So how I came To be here with you Backtracking to shop backtracking for From California starting in New York in our pre -mentioned Appalachian um By the way, Appalachian weird stupid background Appalachian and Appalachian the only difference is the amount of peas in the name.

57:29Oh really? Yeah Which one has more peas? Appalachian Hmm Okay, but mine is APA LA C -A -I -N Must be annoying that people confuse those two with you and you have to explain it every goddamn time I try to stay away from it. Yeah Just say small town, New York. Yeah, right. It's easier. Right. So um I'm tinkering on cars in Appalachian. I'm spending most of my time Onstage playing Cars were my drop dead hobby loved it um Night backstage. I'd be reading my new issue of hot rod and my little glass of ice water Ha, you know couldn't wait for my new issue and I'd go to many car shows as I could go to during the summer and Quick version is a real good friend of mine Sean Davis from Canada Said hey, we're gonna go to this show up in um in Rhineback, New York And there's gonna be a guy there.

58:26We're gonna meet I met him at a big show in Indy and he's gonna make me a billet steering wheel to match my boy wheels This is where all the car guys can pay attention And so um we went to the said show met this guy Jim Um, wound up going to dinner with him and the guy's like you know, I'm a machinist I got a place in Riverside, California. I should be back there making parts I need somebody like go around a country and sell this stuff and Sean goes slaps me on the back Greatest salesman right here and I'm like oh, uh what And that turned into a conversation and it turned into me like not letting go of it sold everything I had Moved got out here to Riverside got there Guy had already been they and you you vicked it out of his apartment So I've got nowhere to live.

59:10I'm now living uh At one of his employees houses. Oh boy and um we're working along been there about a month or so and The federal marshals show up They're not in a good mood At all what are they looking for? I don't know but I'm like here's my driver's license. I just got here I don't kind of questions of they asking they are not asking me shit They're walking around with clipboards and looking at what I thought because I stayed away from it I thought they were checking serial numbers on the CNC machines Uh, that's what I thought I have no Okay, I understand well, I thought maybe there was some stolen machine.

59:51Oh something because federal marshals don't come out to Got it for a party So anyway, um, how's that turn out? Val well, uh, I'm like, oh god, no, I'm not gonna have any job I don't know anybody out here and this is not a car shop. They're just machining billet street ride parts They do have one car there a 44 which is owned by one of the guys owned tci total cost involved street ride place and um, the one of the workers for tci comes down once a week to check on the car because we're one off in parts form, right So I know that guy So we're getting our parts ready. We're gonna go into the LA Roadster show father -stay show In Pomona, we're gonna sell our stuff So I'm setting up on Thursday and this guy the only guy I know Besides the two other machinists goes, hey man, you could have come to our annual open house tonight And I'm like, well, I got no money um, I live way down in Riverside or ocean side actually Um, but I'd love to go.

1:00:51I've read about it every year in street rider magazine. So I go to the party and I'm like, hey man You uh, you know anybody hiring? And he goes, hmm Kind of hard man. You got it. Somebody's got to know you or have some background some history something You know, and I'm like, well, just throwing it out there So drive all the way to ocean side get a couple hours sleep drive all the way back to Pomona And the next morning he goes, hey, come here You know what? He was like 10 minutes after you left last night guy named Gary Dagle said he was looking for someone working at shop. He's in orange county And I go I actually know the name from our list.

1:01:28He sells our stuff He goes, well, he's two miles down. Take a right go up there. You'll see assigned decals So I went and talked with Gary Dagle and he goes, well, you're on Jim's dime right now lunchtime Meet me outside and we'll talk so we talked set up for a job Talk about having a job on Monday. So Sunday night we're back at Shows over with I'm putting parts back on the shelf and I still remember Because the place had like half the lights working dimly lit. I see Jim coming around the corner going You might Start looking for some work So now I don't have to ask off for Monday Went ahead the meeting with Gary got hired and So I timed it I flew home Got my 67L commino that I built my dad's barn and my aunts garage And timed it that I stopped at the hot rod magazine super nationals in Ohio and Editor Jeff Smith and Rob can and approach me and said we'd like to feature your car in hot rod magazine And I went, well, okay But I got to go unload everything because every earthly possession I have is in it So I drove it back to the hotel unloaded everything and brought it back to the shop Yeah, I actually gave him I came with a thumb drive of a whole bunch of stuff just Prepare I did prepare so let me see the 67 it's a bright orange El Camino So when I got here to California then custom classic truck and custom rider featured it also There it is there it is yeah new street.

1:02:57Yeah, so I built it. What year is this we're looking at 1995 That's a beautiful car. Yeah built it at home And so And he drove it across the country. Yeah, drove it across the country. Wow. What was in that thing? Stroker 355 the Stroker small block, but it it it it get going just fine. It's beautiful man. Thank you. I usually don't like El Caminos Yeah, I I So weird it's like why is there like this open spot in the back that the coaches air those El Caminos are station wagons with a top pulled off The the floor pan but I'm the if under in the bed frame at the very front of the bed where it kisses the back of the cab They have a bolt -in piece of metal when you take that out That's the floor pan for the rear seat and in the station So it's a station wagon with the back taken off at a bed, but it's just like who was like I want a car But I also want to pick up a car that kind of stopped happening they gave up.

1:03:56Yeah, they did by the way they try to bring back to El Camino today People like what the fuck are you doing the GM still had one for a while down in Australia? They did yeah They had to call it a yut They you base it off the mandaro, which was like their GTO the Chanel they had it for a while really yeah They like different stuff down there. They do The Australia has different tastes. They love They like a lot of utility. Yeah, there you go. Oh god That was really recent. I love his reaction. Oh god Well, a lot of those folks they like to fucking crocodile done de it up and go out in the back with You know they need something to throw a fucking 10.

1:04:32Oh those things are built though The motor in the drivetrain are basically that's chameiro easy That's crazy actually now I'm changing my mind that might have made it to America You know what about that there's some knuckleheads that would have bought that It's some knuckle. That's nice I'm being honest so you have to be a knucklehead to choose that So I get out here. I think that's a bad thing some of my favorite people are knuckleheads Yeah, I bet if you're like if you have tuned that between that or a new Mustang what the fuck are you doing? Well, you can throw stuff in the bag. So what Can you get the Mustang shut the fuck up.

1:05:07I don't know if fans are putts Bring it back. There's no if fans are but Mustangs one of the few cars that kept it together Like they lost it for a long time, but they've got it back and now they're better than ever Like these new Mustangs they're putting out today. They're fucking amazing. Oh yeah, they're great cars That new one the dark horse that's a fucking great car Right from the factory six speed 500 horsepower reasonably priced looks fucking great. Yeah They're making like real muscle cars, but like modern muscle cars. Yeah, it's nice that that's still going on. Yes, I agree I mean I seem to be a proponent for that.

1:05:45Yeah, it's just like people forgot the American muscle cars one of the most fun things to drive ever Sure, it might not handle the best might not be the fastest might not this it might not that But it's what it does to you like how it makes you feel when you drive it. They're very visceral. Yes It's very visceral. It's very exciting This is like it stimulates you it's Yeah, it's why I like driving across country. Yeah, it's fun windowed down. I'm out. Yeah, they're alive Got your Matthew McConaughey movie. Yeah, you're alive So I get here and I wind up staying working for Gary Dagle And the car gets in a bunch of magazines.

1:06:23I wind up moving from The Orange County area of the studio city joining a new band start recording an album and I sell my al Camino to a kid in Japan and I'm like I got into a cool car So I went down it's still there on the corner of Venturo Boulevard and someone in Japan bought it. Yeah, that's awesome So now it's over in Tokyo. Do you ever keep an eye on it? Oh, I don't know where it went That was a while you some will reach out maybe so On the corner of Laurel Canyon and Venturo Boulevard Down studio city. They're right now. It's still a FedEx office, but it was a kinkos the kinkos was where Purevision be gat I was there a photocopy in my magazine features And I had my friend Matt will be you know how draw this idea of this 66 charger that was called scully um Because that's what the pros do they had artwork first right and I went to hot rod and said hey You guys thought I was cool before I built a car that featured and I'm gonna build this thing And I'm gonna show up on your power tour right and I'm gonna use these parts all these people that sponsor your power tour You as a young man's of this voice.

1:07:36Yeah, who knows or idiot whenever I am so I go over to all the potential sponsors All right, I'll sell more official No, just go over all the sponsored potential guys and go hey, I had to mail there was no email So I mailed these packets of Colorful copies of my my El Camino that's been in the prior magazines proving like hey, I've done it once And going hey my proposal is I'm gonna build this car and I'm gonna take it on the power tour that you're sponsoring So basically they sponsored me with some parts and they ran the artwork of my car And I built it in my shared tandem parking garage Underground parking garage at my apartment on Whitsa Avenue, which were Whitsett crosses into crashes into Ventura Boulevard Built it there so you built it in a parking garage a lot of it other people Yeah, I would go to the junkyard get the parts like the example how big it this is a two car garage No, it's an underground parking garage Like how many people are parked in that garage?

1:08:37Well, it's tandem one two three four five six seven eight nine ten 11 12 and you have just one spot Yeah, any in that one spot you're building a car pretty much and so there's a car right next to you When you're building this car, right? So you're pulling fenders off and I'm sure it's a car right there I'd lot a lot of stuff was done in that garage. Yes, I I would never park next to you right well. I am wonderfully respectful. I'm sure But who the fuck is gonna park next to the guy who's building a car? They don't know It's covered all day at work at night So I'll give you an example of what I did Went to the junkyard for the front -end swap pieces to convert it to dis breaks right because I know the swaps and all that stuff so I get all those parts and out the back Of the apartment building there's a concrete slab and that's it There was like a really bad table in a chair nobody ever sits there So I found the one outside the building I'm building Electric outlet bought two extension cords to go over because it's all the way on the other side of the building wrap it around the building and I got a drill and a wire wheel on it and a screwdriver And I scraped all the old muck and then wire -willed them to bare metal all the parts and then I went to the Goggles on back then yeah So you're in the garage.

1:09:50I'm not in the garage. I'm out back of the building now grinding everything clean Right and then wiped everything with acetone and then at night about two in the morning I went to the the home depot and you know those pieces of plastic you can buy there for when you paint a room It's like 12 foot by 15 foot whatever yeah covered everybody's cars Jesus Christ and then I hung I hung all the parts on the water Coming out like you know what I don't know go to your friend's house three in the morning I thought I was there's your cars covered with plastic and this fucking lunatic. I covered all the cars So no one would get a paint on it and a epoxy painted all the suspension parts I hung them from the water box.

1:10:29Oh my god Then I just sent the car It's when did you get done when you got it? I got it like stop like six thirty in the morning Like yeah, whenever yeah, just when yeah, did anybody ever come out and see their car covered in plastic? No, I always removed all the evidence No one ever knew nothing night's a week. Did you have people's cars covered in plastic all the time? That is so wild to all the time That's so wild and so I had another friend that I did a exchange work He painted it for me and let me use his place for reassembly and I rebuilt the suspension and the in the engine in his 67 pickup truck for an exchange Right yeah, so I get the car ready take it to the The kickoff party for the power tour.

1:11:08We're gonna drive from California to Michigan and I haven't even changed the the cam breaking oil yet. This car is fresh Fresh and I'm gonna drive it to which I did by the way, so kickoff party What be gat from that is Outride magazine featured it mo par muscle featured it put on the cover Daytona magazine Japan featured it And at the end of the year. Yeah, there's scully. That's a photo. That's a it's a Yeah, kind of an odd black and white, but it's a jaguar color called topez Yeah, it's like a blue right? No, no, it's a light silvery gold. Oh, it's on that thumb drive again Right there. Yeah, there it is.

1:11:49Why do think tope? Oh, I'm thinking so that's the car I built in the underground parking garage God, that's beautiful. Yeah, it came out nice and so my god, that's gorgeous at the end of the year It also got top 10 car of the year and you build it in a fucking garage with a bunch of cars covered in You know what do that's it's when you want to bad enough. Yeah, I mean beautiful that car is pretty car God, that's so nice and so that started the ball. Well the al cameino technically did but what a beautiful car That is man. So other pictures of that. Yeah, there's there's some other stuff up over there Click on that link that says pure vision scully right under the big picture Um, oh, that's the the graphic I designed oh that whole that that stupid skull right there has a story So I designed this pinstripe.

1:12:32I wanted bone red bone and then at the very front obviously the bone turns into the skull with Raperon glasses and every one of those dang stitches are hand drawn I did in fact that sides me. I did the driver side. No, my friend Matt will be Here's the backstone. So I told him I go here's the idea I gave this really horrible sketch of this skull with the wraparound sunglasses And he did this piece of artwork for me with the car and the skull and when he sent the artwork I'm like that's that's not the skull. Well, he he Facts it to me the idea Like his version of what I was telling him okay, and the facts was like That was oh, it's that stretched and cool as shit right So anyway, so the facts fucked it up better the facts pulled it That's a me so when he flew out to put it on I showed him the facts and he went Oh my god, the facts must have dragged Because it looks almost like a wolf yeah kind of it was a mistake like if that was a dude I'd be terrified of him right it was it was a mistake and I said well that's what we're using He's like oh hell yeah, we are hell yeah, that's all so we did that graph For me a photograph of what that looks like in perspective with the rest of the car Um, well if you click on that link where you're at yeah, that just the front three quarter Not that one just the one right next to it on the Nope other To the right to the right yet that yeah You'll see it's up at the very front of the front fender it's right in the front corner It's right there.

1:14:01Oh right there show me the close up on it Jamie because it's a close up in one of those other photos That right there. Oh, that's so sick. So all the way down the car It's just the bone red bone pinstripe with all those hand stitches. So that's Matt stitches We had to boot we only had so long we were doing that the graphic overnight at a borrowed paint booth that car is so rock and roll So yeah, just carbureted 360 out of a cordoba that is that is the warm -up cam and stuff it's straight forward that car is like a 1974 AC DC song You know, I'm saying like look at that thing god It's pretty and the how pretty that is and the interiors four bucket seats and a console They'll pass all the way back to the rear end of it look at that Yeah, cool car.

1:14:42They only made them two years 66 and 67. It's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, it's neat It's gorgeous. I don't think I've seen one. I've definitely not seen one there. You see one far between and that's why I did it It's a perfect car to do it with because it's so pretty man. Yeah, the back end of that is just fucking heavenly Yeah, it's cool. They're needed it. I I enjoy them and so that was a lot of fun and then on that power tour I made a kid named Martin Weinredd who had a black Challenger and I go I got an idea for your car And then we built the car in his driveway and it was called Challenger X And that was that big I was the first guys doing any pro touring Moe parts and this Challenger X was the first car to have that I knew of Street driven carbon fiber drive shaft.

1:15:28It was like the second set of big 18 inch torque thrusts We worked with a guy named Craig rails back at BDS for the eight stack EFI injection on a small block Chrysler and that'll be on that on that thumb drive a gave you it's called Challenger X Black Challenger. Yeah, so that that car We took that on a power tour from here to Florida and back And There it is. Yeah, pretty car another car the Challenger. Yeah, that came out nice. 70 right 72 72 really I did the whole interior in a tan and we built that in in Martins driveway, so 72 challenges are still dope 72 70 is just a bumper but 72 barcuda's got goofy You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know Still look sick.

1:16:16Yeah, I did all the gauges and tan and did this whole thing in here So anyway this car we drive it and it gets features and it gets top 10 car of the year So I've got two top 10 cars of the year and like nine or 10 features And I don't even have a shop yet. I've been building out of a barn out of a tandem parking garage and somebody's driveway So my bad thing ever just doing pretty good So you get it get a place Yeah, I finally get a place and um build a couple of other stuff and I started on a duster Which we called dustia, which was like I kept the dust or lettering but made it dustia put that on the power tour and That car Exploded it was let me see that because I was talking about it earlier.

1:16:56I like a duster. Yeah, this this is a really nice underappreciated car Yep, and why was this duster? That was a 72 Yeah, okay, so that's those are the years they were underappreciated and We built that and I drove that again from California to Michigan. Is that in your photo? Yeah, no, it's in it's on the thumb drive It's a bright old store. There's the duster. Yeah underappreciated car So that thing has a lot of pictures a lot of trick stuff that nobody had ever done yet Unmopar suspensions Um, and so did you do it? Well, there's that's a really lightweight car really was a way Oh, probably 36 or 34 wow, but um small Yep So all of them like a 65 Mustang like is it in the same?

1:17:41No, not smaller than a Mustang. Nope, but light there's not a lot to him so um that car like again, I'm so fortunate uh Hotrod Moper muscle all these books. It's cover. It's centerfold pullout poster. It's a screen saver because that just started It's a die cast car. It's top 10 car of the year. So now I got three You know um, it's just it's been amazing and again So unbelievably fortunate that you're talented man Yeah, but you know what I'm surrounded, but it's also hard work. It is hard work So at that point I was living in the shop Uh, I didn't have money for an apartment So my bed was next to my lift and I had a piece of plastic that I threw over the bed So this or the rust and oil and everything else wouldn't get on my bed And then I joined a 24 hour fitness so I had somewhere to shower Wow, how many people have done that?

1:18:41A lot yeah, well, I don't know if they're stupid as me, but I did it Um a lot of people do that when they're living out of their cars a lot of comedians did that Got a membership of 24 hour fitness slept in their car. Yeah, no that I was sleeping in the shop. Yeah, so um That car really launched stuff And I got a phone call Um, that car by the way, uh, Reggie Jackson still owns it. He bought it off the guy he built it from he still owns it Reggie Jackson might be like the biggest hotrod collector ever Yeah, he lost a lot in a fire about 20 years ago. Oh, no buildings worth. Oh, no So Anyway, the guy that I built that car for Romeo, Furio That's his real name Um He wanted to do another car and I got I just came back from Showering with 30 strangers 24 hour fitness and my and I'm have my bowl of Cheerios my phone rings and it's It's gentleman named David Hakeem and a couple of other Bigwig gentlemen from MoPAR performance from Chrysler Like we've been watching what you've been doing.

1:19:47We want to be synonymous with pure vision Here's the catalog next time you build something whatever you want let us know That's awesome and we built a car or I built a car. I was still basically alone Uh, called GTXR I had a great fantastic painter named Rust evenson that put up with me Ha at that time now I have Mick Jenkins who was just beyond incredible Um, we'll get to that in a second, but on GTXR Um, I wanted to use the big body uh Satellite that nobody ever uses and nobody likes Cassie with that look? And they're very swoopy like Ferrari's they go like they're coke bottled But they the way they set stock is they look like an elephant on stills.

1:20:30There you go Oh, that's a cool car. So this was my first time ever at SEMA. Is that an AMG? Is that what that is? No, it's it's a Plymouth salad. That's a Plymouth. Yeah, so I um god. That's a wow looking car. Yeah, right? They're very very many of them. No, they're very because no one cared and these things were so curvy I got a great story about but it's so cool that shot the MoPAR the one with the blues The blue sky behind it Um With the blue sky Jamie you're right in the middle almost the photo with the blue sky No right there. Yeah, that one. Yeah, so uh So I'm getting ready. I'm thrashing to get the thing done to go to SEMA I've never been to SEMA before and I'm unveiling the car in Chrysler's beruth on a turntable Right first time there So this is like just cracking six in the morning We had already driven from in the truck and trailer driven from what years is Uh, when did I do that?

1:21:24Hold on. That's why I have my nose just take it. Yes. Oh god. Why? I like how you went with the fat tires in the rear 2003. I can't really sad when I see a muscle car with skinny rear tires. Oh no Always big go tire. Yeah, so um this is when you're coming down the grade in Tevegas And before there was nothing over to the right Now it's all houses and everything all the way to Henderson right before there was nothing there This is when the roads were paved and there wasn't one building put up And the photographer is in a ditch that is like five feet deep For the what will be the plumbing and all that stuff And he's sitting there his name was Randy Bulligan.

1:22:07I remember him because again no digital cameras. It was Right, mm -hmm. Hey like how he did that? So almost something like it. No, it was horrible Anyway, I hear him go Cover I'm like oh, that's cool So that car was the world's first Paddle shifted muscle car. I created the paddle shifts in it Oh, wow that time the only there's one shot that I put on the thumb drive again I don't know if you have that in but there's a interior shot so What kind of transmission at the time there was the brand new truck 518 four four speed overdrive that was in the brand new pickup trucks for 2002 2003 Overdrive was becoming a new thing So there you go So I made the I had a really amazing billet guy he did the intakes on that more we'll look at the motor in the second And those paddles I made everything out of wood first and those work micro switches in the inside the column the factory column And underneath see others three horn buttons the little pads underneath the right one up at three o 'clock There's a micro switch under that now and so The I use the company called Deedon bear that made pneumatic shifters for drag racing Okay, it calls it immediately shifts it's hooked up to a computer So all I did and it's air that you know that like the CO2 guns and here cartridge.

1:23:34Yeah, one of those are in the trunk and it runs the this Celluloid that is attached to a B &M ratchet shifter So you can never skip a gear right bim bim bim And they are hooked up so shift up Pulls back I call Deedon bear and can I and I said can you make me one that pushes and pulls? You're like sure So upshift downshift wow, and then this button under the horn I use the horn circuit that turns the overdrive on and off so you have highway second third overdrive or second They're the cannons second. Where's the horn now? The the there's no horn Fuck the horn you gave up the horn. Yeah, nobody cared But so I had like every executive because the shifter moves while you're hitting the paddles Because the ratchets because the CO2 is working it right oh my it's the end of the first day I had to go refill the bottle which was like that that point 75 cents.

1:24:31It's good for about 200 shifts But it was fully functioning and working and worked fantastic and it was actually Full proof because even if you ran out of CO2 you described shifter put it in drive and drive it around right So it only applied to when you're wanting to start it to yeah, but it worked really good The problem was nobody had a shift kit so the transmission couldn't shift as fast as because I turned the wake up turn the pressure up and it go I mean it shift right freaking now and then the transmission would be like He died well no it it catch up eventually, but they then Place like fair banks and other companies started making shift kits.

1:25:08Yeah, you don't make normal cars You you really over complicate your life Yeah, I do things like that So you move forward from that car and then I built a car called hammer And that was a road runner. That was the first one I saw yeah and hammer was in um My actually was in the same It was a season later on rides They followed me building My car like they followed sick fish because you were first season. I think so it was the first episode of the first season I don't know because you're fancy now. I don't think I was on the first season. I thought you were I don't know. I think there was other one.

1:25:44I don't know if I was in the I definitely don't think I was the first episode So built hammer and that was you know, I had an interior guy who didn't show up the night before SEMA And a whole bunch of disaster and showed up to see my day late And which was also Fantastic because everybody the rumor was around that this car being filmed was late and it may or may not show up and and we got there and Uh, so that was my first rides episode and then about a there's that there's my god So that thing still holds up that is owned by the gentleman who owns uh Traxxas the radio controlled empire when I went to your shop that was there the first time I went to shop It's a lovely car.

1:26:27Oh my god. It still looks good. Of course. It looks good. Um, how could it not look good? I don't know. I'm just saying it still looks like that. But yes, it does look That's that thing spawned a million copies. God it's so pretty. Yeah, so that's even better So I can even better than the other one. No, I like yeah, oh, the roadrunner. Yeah, that's actually a sport satellite with borrowed trim pieces from GTX and Roadrunner Really? Yeah, like like cherry picking like the trim So what's a sports satellite? It's worth saying like can you click on that link so we can see more pictures of that Thanks fucking pretty man.

1:27:01Oh look at that artwork and and uh, so um, look on the interior Yeah, I made I handmade the dash out of metal on that car wow and uh Shannon Hudson at Redline Gageworks did I did a drop recess like a BMW and it in the red lights just Wash down God you made that a manual oh yes um, and uh, I copied across the back on those cars. They have the individual letters P .O .L. I am right now So I copied the font and head letters made this spelled hammer And then made a new set on on the dash. Yeah, no, I saw that yeah, it couldn't click on that Jamie So you could see how it looks it looks amazing in the back Oh the tailpin all that that's when we're there's vinn To vinn diesel drive it uh, well he was in it the the stuntman did the burnouts and they were in the movie That's the end of token well that's where I was going we I got a phone call from do you know Dennis McCarthy?

1:27:58No, I don't okay. He's the guy that handles all the cars for all the fast -series moving So he um And so they want to put it in fast enough? Well, I got a phone call from him He got my number from one of the get one of the editors at hot rod And he goes hey My name is Dennis McCarthy and I'm doing fast and furious stuff and uh We uh, we need a car for vinn diesel It's gonna come we're gonna bring his his character back in this movie and I hear you have the most badass Mopar and in southern California is that you're gonna go fuck yeah Yeah, it is I have we have a bad son of a bitch So they rented it and uh, but it's the car in the stunt scenes It's the car doing the burnouts it's wow and um who owns it now the guy that owns traxes the radio control car company Oh, he he bought it off of Eric god.

1:28:51I hope he drives it. I hope so too the thing thing is wonderful So it we actually unveiled it twice at SEMA We brought it back a couple of years later with the new hall aluminum Hemi the color of it with the wheels with the black wheels the silver outline god. It's perfect Kinesis wheels K19s and the color is BMW sterling grays Again, uh, all that's the mw sterling gray the sterling gray factory color fucking gorgeous color Yes, it is and that that photography is from the man himself Randy Lorenzo another fantastic Photographer let me see some pictures in like higher light Jamie's or any pictures Yeah, but let just leave see Yeah, go to that one that's outside with the red on the bottom of it right above your cursor Yeah, yeah at the red carpet yeah Yeah, sharp car god.

1:29:43It's gorgeous. So that obviously did Wonders and that was like 2005 2006 had a bunch of other really cool stuff and then we built the anvil Mustang Uh, we helped develop all the carbon fiber pieces for a company called anvil And we unveiled the car at SEMA in 2010 and um I knew we had a really good car It's all cantilever push -ride in -board suspension like an f1 car And we wide -bodied it except you can't tell unless it's sitting next to a stock when we actually bowed the quarter panels So at the door and at the tail lights it's stock it curves up Um, there it is Another uh, so lots of work done to that thing the whole nose is all carbon fiber and it's widened and and changed Tail panels changed.

1:30:37I did like a front there. You can see the cantilever push -ride cantilever in -board suspension there the coil overs lay down A mother fucker. Yeah, yeah, it's a lovely car and that's an all -looten That's the rear seat area. That's the in -board That's a Myers rear and everything's like quick pins. You can literally snap take out the coil overs put in a different shock Do not stick your fingers in there kids. No bad while the car is driving do not stick your fingers It is fantastic to watch in the rear view mirror. Oh my god. It must be amazing You're sitting there watching the stuff work. You're like oh, I gotta be driving.

1:31:06Sorry. Yeah, just don't have a gym bag back there Yeah, bad. Oh my god. Look at that interior So um, that's gorgeous. We that's a perfect interior for that car And we a lot of the time spent see that down bar going down through the roll bar. Yes, that does not touch you when you're in the passenger seat Really touches nobody So it's what if you're a big guy? Hmm. There's a lot of room But that comes out to that bolt and unbolt so um Yeah, a little switches handles and point not fuck. Yeah, does the guy who has this drive it? Yeah as far as I know He's got to drive this so it won. Oh look at that.

1:31:43That is so gorgeous man It won the Ford design award car of the show at SEMA, which was a that's 69 right? Uh, yes You're correct. It might be the most gorgeous 69 I've ever seen yeah lots that again lots nothing Don't know nothing stock everything's that fucking suspension set up in the back seat Yeah, that was cool. It gives me a childhood boner. Okay good um So that all this stuff comes back to when your kids right heck yeah, all stuff come back to wheels Yeah hot wheels and what the cool cars were in your neighborhood There's a miracle for me in 2005 or so I'm in an airport And before when I was when I was building scully the the silver car 97 -ish.

1:32:28Yeah I left the job I was working and went working for a gentleman named Bruce Schultz And he did sublet work for Mattel and action diecast And we did prototypes. It was before there was rapid prototype anything So you'd get a drawing from the Mattel crazy hot wheels designer. It's like make this Or we'd get some and go Here we need these 25 stripped and painted a different color and different graphics for toy fair So I when I worked for Bruce I met a guy named Kelly Cox Mr. Kelly Cox who as of right now is going on. It's like his 18th or 19th year as an employee for me We became really good friends working together.

1:33:10We found out we love the same music. We have the same sense of humor And uh, so I met Kelly working for Bruce and I was building that When I built that charger I drove it over to Bruce's house because I'd met him like a year before and I said Hey, look what I did because he saw the car I started with and he goes you did that and I'm like, yeah He goes can you build model cars? I'm like Yeah, he's like want to work here. I'm like where he goes here in my garage. This is what we do And he goes how much do you make? Working for Chrysler when I go X he goes I'll promise you X and you can make Y. I'm like I'm quitting tomorrow So I'm just in this guy's garage building model basic I'm over simplifying but building super cool one -off model Stuff for Mattel and Hot Wheels That's 97 right 90 well in 98 going into 99 fast forward 2005 my shop is now up and running I've had a bunch of magazine features.

1:34:07I'm at an airport and one of the guys I wrote that worked at Mattel was in the airport too I recognize him because I used to be down there all the time bringing in prototypes And I'm joking with him and I'm like hey man. How many super cool features do I gotta have before I can get a hot wheels made of one of my cars And he goes you know what that's a good idea like uh Yeah, it's a good idea. You know, I was joking with it So they had a new line of your normal hot wheels are one 64th scale They were gonna try this new thing with like 150th scale. They're gonna call them G machines And they're like we'll do a 12 car line with you.

1:34:41You you create the paint scheme and then this and that that but we have X amount of little wheels you can use next amount of this and that well that worked For both of us because I know working with them. I understand the cost of extra extra stripes and efforts Cost money. So I know I had to make a car simple and that won the little more elaborate and then the budget balances out I understood all that already So I went down had a designer group meeting and I got a 12 car line That in the back window of a very car. It's got my pure vision logo Now in the back of the box it says pure vision the premier hot rod shop in southern California.

1:35:18These went global And I mean, it's the hugest honor. It's an unbelievable opportunity that I still and like you know pinching myself that that even happened and um so That was an amazing opportunity working at Bruce's it began me having a toy line later and having a you know my my guy that's been with me forever kelly working for me So I was very fortunate again that The stars lined up that way. That's great man. It's unfortunate. It's talent Well, it's you have an eye for cars. Yeah, that's true But it's an art form, you know, and you're an artist in other ways, you know, you play music Your your guy creates things That's why I think it's so interesting about your cars is that you don't just like make a cool car You make a cool car with all these little Easter eggs in it because all those little things And that's really cool that you say that because we've joked about it at car shows our car Is the Easter egg hot you keep coming back and finding I didn't even see that well if you go to the um The video you did oh My god the the one on youtube with that narrows it down About this about my car.

1:36:30Oh your car. Yeah, uh -huh. Why am I fucking blanking out of Tokyo? Autotopia. Thank you. Sean. Sean. Autotopia. That that which is an amazing video where you go over in detail like all the different Weird things that you did little things we changed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Sean's oh god. Sean's awesome. Yeah, really fun He's a good guy. He seems like a really good guy and these videos are awesome His videos are all awesome, but this one is particularly cool Yeah, he loved being in the car and the thing is as I'm friends with him too. So off off camera, you know He'll tell me good bad ugly, you know, and he just loved being in the car Really appreciated all the all the work actually what are you doing now?

1:37:09What are you working on? Oh my gosh I got Well, just finished up a really amazing chivalre for a guy named hubbib that um Again thankful Cover of himmings and it's about to come out in Chevy hood. It's at a 67. Yeah, the turquoise aqua. I've seen that Yeah, that lot of me like three magazines featuring that in a bunch of crap you and I had talked about doing a Shavelle. Yeah, well you were you I've still got all the notes Yes, I went hog while I'm a 68 you were you were you were the thing you handed me was a 68 That what it was in that list. Yeah, I like I like these seven cars. Which one do I do?

1:37:44I'm glad we went with the Nova. Yeah, well, I took you to Gary to Z and it's and it's on the thumb drive the 28 Nova. Yeah, yeah, something about that. I had this like light bulb and that sounded narrowly That thing always sounds narrowly, too. It was really cool It was just you know, you did a Z 28 version of a 19 Yeah, if you could have ordered a 69 Nova. Yep. Yep. That's right there And it was and I saw that and like a light bulb went off my head. I was like that's the car That's the car. Yeah yours and his are very very very very very very different But yeah, very different, but still fucking super cool.

1:38:17Yeah, I won I remember thinking wow you don't see enough of these no no no that kind of Australia made a cool one cam You know that one guy in Australia? Uh, I think I know the car you're talking about something by cam I'm not super familiar, but I think I know what you're talking about. He made this really wild black 68 or 69 Nova And uh did some really cool stuff to it Um, it was a few years back Hot rods by cam. Right by cam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, see if you can find his Nova. No, there's a black one. He made a black one That's a Nova also. Yeah See if you can see his black Nova Cam black Nova Yeah, that's it.

1:39:05That's it Look at this fucking thing. There's things. Give me some volume Yeah, rock roll. Oh, there got look at that thing Yeah That's what I'm talking about Steve's I can hear I can hear the turbos. That's what I'm talking about. You're the waste gates This is What does that girl have to do with this? What is going on here? She's in her underwear. What's happening here? photo shoot probably Yeah, why are they showing that show me that goddamn car stop trying to distract me They want to just want to keep you looking you know, like they figure you're only gonna look at that car for about 45 seconds Throwing a hot lady in a bikini and now we're gonna She's still on the screen.

1:39:55Where's the fucking car? Where's the fucking car? That left her there. She is again That's it. She's a wild one too tattooed up. Oh great That's what you want if you want a car like that you want a lady like that fair enough That's the dream cam cell in the dream is oh is that what he's doing he's selling the dream? Okay, the dream Don't you see yeah, I sorry that car's wild Sounds healthy show me some extra images of that car. It's a yeah, so that car too influenced my decision. No So I don't know if that car was like during the time we had already decided on a Nova though because this guy built that a few years back Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with it, but man since good pretty Look at that.

1:40:34It's a little taller rear tire, but that's me. Oh, yeah That's an older school little rubber rubber band. I want to say older school. Everyone is their own thing But early 2000s they were doing a lot of that right look at that thing though. Oh Lord That's beautiful big old hood. Yeah, beautiful car. I think it's a twin turbo. Yeah, it sounded like I was here in the waste gates pop When he was doing acceleration click yeah, click on that image of right there where your cursor is right there. Yeah, look at that fucking thing Oh God, that's gorgeous, but it drives me nuts and people don't put side view mirrors like it doesn't make the car look bad But you should see where the fuck you're going or where you were Yeah, or what's what's coming up?

1:41:15If you change lanes where the officers are yeah, put a fucking side view mirror on kids It does not make the car like ugly that became a trend for a while where people would have completely shaved mirrors Yeah, you know You would ask me what's what's new and you know what I I didn't I'll I'll have to give you because I have nothing up I'll give you So you guys can get some ideas you guys can get it in post No, I've got three cars that are Humdingers I got a I got a road runner coming out called haraka Which is African for speed And it's Quite the piece. Is that done? No, we're gonna unveil it next year at SEMA.

1:42:02Uh, and it's got stages it in now Bare metal and heavy fab you got the images. I will supply you images Is that over there? Yeah, I don't know how much time you should get that what is that oh? I know what it is it might have been like an Instagram There's a TikTok video. Yeah, or something. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, it's it's way beyond that stage and it's road runners and other cars Yes, this this one is gonna be Something you know someone should do someone should read Redoo blades 69 charger from the movie blade Do you remember that I think was a 69 is definitely a late 60s charger blade, you know the vampire hunter Yeah, drove around in a charger when he was killing people 68 yeah, semi -biased all there it is right there.

1:42:55Look at that car right there. So many needs to redo that because blade had like hard Blade had a soup, but I mean a really good one like a really well done one easy blade at a souped up charger. Look at it Does we drove around in? Usually so much to make like a blade themed again, that's just a charger with auto drags on it or center lines Yeah, but it doesn't have to look exactly like that but a blade themed 69 charge like if he had one that went through your shop Like if blade came to your shop So I want to kill vampires. Oh good. You know, I'm saying like what we build them I'll send you guys the artwork, but that's that's the roadrunner right now, but it's more than change the subject Because we're talking about If blade came to you right now and wanted to make fine I'll do a much larger yeah If he's trying to run from vampires how Well could you get a 16 8 69 charge to handle?

1:43:52There's a lot of front -end sheet metal a lot of there's there's stuff available now that yeah, not yeah There's there's plenty of stuff. What could you do to balance it out? In fact the now on this Roadrunner I have a brand new suspension from heights. That's a IFS and IRS from well, I just said from heights Let's explain to people. I don't know what the fuck we're talking about independent front suspension independent front suspension. Yeah So it's it's really trick stuff and it's brand new for them. What about like a rear transactual to balance out the weight You you could even though there the roadrunners weren't super heavy there about 3600 pounds right but the charger Oh the same thing.

1:44:36It's a be body basically. Yeah, it's the same thing So they weren't that heavy they were how heavy about 38 3800 or so yeah What did you think of that one that someone built that they made all carbon did you ever see that? Yes, I'm familiar. They've done quite a few of them. Yeah, it's it's cores that would speak yeah, mm -hmm See if you can find that speed core carbon charge cool cool peace for sure Probably drives great because the light one. It's on that brand new modern chassis Poo look at that thing. Yeah, Bill it probably the grill's billet or or seeing or So an all carbon fiber exterior.

1:45:13Yeah, so the body sits down over the chassis and that's how it sits that low. What do you think that thing weighs? A lot less But probably not a lot less that you think because parts still weigh right of course So like just removing the steel and replacing it with carbon say what save 500 pounds. Yeah, it might be Low three thousands like 31 32 which is that's probably amazing then mm -hmm. Yeah Sure look at that thing where you gonna park that Somewhere you'd be there somewhere safe you'd be terrified of someone digging your doors. Yeah, yeah You got a goddamn carbon fiber car Look at that thing.

1:45:52Yeah, you're not pounding the dense out Yeah, what do you do if you get an accident a carbon fiber car? They have to refab completely new panels for you. We either put a new one on or probably Well, it's a pencil if it's the quarter panel that might be a problem like if you get hit in the rear you replace a fender if you get hit in the rear They probably have to redo your whole car. Yeah, well, it's kind of like What's that expensive fiber glass surgery? You can buy a rear of new bumpers at least so you can buy a carbon fiber charger bumper Yeah, but the bumpers not what I'm worried about I'm worried about the quarter panels The roof, you know, because if you get somebody rear ends you or hits you from the side you're it's gonna fuck up all that stuff Right, I guess you can't think about that.

1:46:34No, it should be cool. Yep driving around. Yep They're doing that with quite a few hot rods now, right? Like I know there's a company that makes classic Recruations they do a complete carbon fiber GT500 you see that right? Well someone doing that GT. Yeah, all their one. Yeah, 67 GT500 Carbon classic recreations is doing. Yeah, cool. I know I know I know there's a guy that's doing the they do the charger That one And there's a 69 Camaro. That's that's all carbon So see what it looks like. Yeah, look at that That's insane. Yeah, that's probably very light right now. It's again, because that's an even smaller car It's gonna be lighter.

1:47:20Yes. Yeah, the most thing is lighter and smaller if you had to get 67 right? If you had a guess what do you think that thing weighs? I bet you it's still around 3000 or so again, I'm Right, but it depends what engine it depends what suspension it depends Everything it says it's scroll up a little bit. It's interesting that all the carbon companies that are doing this don't talk about a way Keep going Jamie's that for the top of the page so I can see what it said it was saying something about the the horsepower All the city or do they do a turn key car? I mean you might have been hovering over the engine part of it Is it what it is?

1:47:54Oh 545 horsepower. So it's a 427 create engine Hmm, which is probably all you need if it's that light Oh, it's more than fine for that to be amazing. Oh You could do a coyote gen 3 suit with a supercharger that's 770 horsepower if you're a fucking psycho Right if you're a fucking psycho If you're a fucking psycho and you want a carbon fiber car that weighs nothing if you're just greedy you know 770 horsepower that'll probably get you to To the store on time without much difficulty going to store that oh, why not Putting groceries in the back is lived dangerously go to Ralph's. Yeah, I bet some people do with it Yeah, so you know, there's there's I'm sure there's people that take their hot rods around as daily drivers I'm at a guy once in I drive mine.

1:48:45Do you every day? Not every day I have to use my truck to driving Well normally I use my work truck my you have a when you're not driving to work. Oh my I've got a I got a really fun little Which I can I? I have a 64 -olds little cutlass that I built for cross -country driving So it's got modern air conditioning like vintage air and dynamite sound deadening and I have these really wonderful seats from Porsche Panamera cut seven inches off of it And it's got there like 18 -way power. Show me pictures heated and cool. Did I have do I have anything? there Nope That's a brand new fury that's we just finished that Do you have on your website?

1:49:30Nope, that's not up yet either. You don't have your own car on your website. Hey, it's how my TV show Oh, okay, how could we see that then? Sure, was it rides? This is an episode of rides? No, no my I had all that TV show. Yeah, the Handball hot rods. That's right. I was on one of them episodes Yes, that's right. You're a car. Yeah, there it is. So Mercedes Mercedes -Cortz Blue with Basically a Ferrari saddle tan pretty much daily driver Yeah, that's the thing I put around in fuck. Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice car. It's made to be comfy driving You know anywhere It's beautiful. So and like you know all the other stuff Probably for the last 15 years or no, let me see 10 now 13 years same great cast the characters I definitely want to shout out because I am as I've said before in other interviews and other things I have no man is an island.

1:50:27I am surrounded by talent And Jamie's an island. Oh, okay. Jamie's an island. Hi there. Hi there. Hi there. Island Jamie What are you doing? Jamie is I'm an island. Oh, just walks away and everybody just are you a rock? Island boy. I'm are you a rock? Do you know your old songs? He's not an island rock? You're an island. It's Paul Simon would say Oh, yeah, that's right Painter master Mick Jenkins that mix paint My interior guys Gabe's but these are all the same people on your anova unbelievably wonderful family. It's dad and the sun's working So it's such a cool deal the interior guys and then my guys as I've already battled Kelly and then there's Troy Bray who's Just a fantastic all around everything he can just do whatever I ask him um, and then a new kid named Tommy.

1:51:18I do got to throw out all those big deal cars There was the anvil that you looked at and then we took a we didn't have a year off We had a couple of others we finished and then we did a car called them the martini Mustang That we went to SEMA and that took the Ford design award again Car of the show and then the next year we took the twin turbo Camaro And that one the GM design award car of the show And then the next year we came with the fairly in the black ops fairly And that one the Ford design award car of the show so we're the only shop I know of and again I say with with thankful because I had such amazing employees and people around me putting up that's a heavy schedule to do three out of the park cars Three years in a row that's nobody sleeping That's nobody sleeping for sure and uh don't know of another shop that's done that ever the So I'm very again very thankful to those guys and uh back then there was a guy who'd worked for me for about 18 years named Pete And he just moved back to Washington to be near his folks and all So he's got a place called Muscle Car Beach.

1:52:28I follow him on his gram. Yeah, that's Pete Hart school So just really You know it's I'm so lucky that I got all these people putting up with me Because I literally wake up at three in the morning come up with these ideas and start sketching the ideas and Oh my gosh, we gotta do this, you know, and then they're like Okay, and yeah, and they and they then they put up And and do so it's really really really thankful for that and as you know, you know, you know, you've got a great team here with island over there and Yeah, you need a team you need a team for god. I couldn't do this fucking thing without Jamie I'd be lost first of all you know slow -eyed Google he ghouls faster than me with one hand Do you like it down here?

1:53:11It's flipping switches. Yeah, I'd love it down here came down to yeah, I love it three years ago. Mm -hmm It's a different way of life Like yeah, it's really hot in the summer, but that doesn't seem to bother me What what I really enjoy is how nice people are there? It's a different kind of nice. They're like real regular nice people. They're not Hollywood nice I think I think I really believe that everywhere in southern California Like just the overall vibration of the area Is in some way affected by the vast amount of people that are seeking stardom and Want to be something special and want to be seen and you know, I'm obviously guilty that because I'm you know Comedian and all the other stuff I've done right I was part of it I understand it I'm not criticizing the people that are doing it, but I'm saying that it does affect The way people communicate with each other Especially because of acting because acting is like the number one thing that people came to LA for back in the day It was the number one thing if you were a kid and you had a dream you wanted to be a movie star You came to LA and Along the way these people realized like the only way to get chosen for roles You have to have be this Daniel Day Lewis like super mysterious ultra talented person who everybody worships Or you had to play the game So you had to say all the things that the producers wanted you to say you had to support all the political causes You had to check all the boxes you couldn't think outside the box at all and there's a way of communicating that people have In LA that it's like signaling that they're a part of this tribe signaling this they're a part of this very progressive ultra -left -wing Ideology and everybody has to subscribe to it regardless of the consequences that it has in the city the crime or the chaos or all the other stuff and It's just I think it's tempered by this desire that people have that lived to fit in Because they want to be cast in things like you think about someone who's an actor You're probably already fucked up you're probably already insecure Which is why you want this is exorbitant amount of attention you probably had a bad childhood or whatever it was whatever Whatever it was you were not stable and you you go so far that you desire this exorbitant amount of attention Then what you have to do is you have to get in front of casting agents So people get to pick you they have to choose whether or not you're good choose where you're not you're worthy and your Your self -esteem is based on whether or not you get picked And so there's these people that are constantly in the cycle of rejection constantly in the cycle seeking acceptance and rejection and then they see people that make it and they're Furious why isn't it me?

1:55:49I had a friend and he was dating this gal and she was an actress too And he got a role on a TV show. He was so excited and he told her about it And she started crying saying when is something gonna happen for me? So the first thing she said I was like dude That's not good like that's not but that is red flag Super super common and that's a lot of like what flavors the consciousness of Los Angeles I has an effect on it and out here it that doesn't exist right it's different. I agree and and um for me I was really happy to find agreeing with you to find seamy valley because I'm from oh yeah very different when what let's Go back at the beginning of the conversation.

1:56:36I'm from apple egg and you know, that's a handshake is your word You know it's real simple real simple background Mike sells moonshine Yeah, so Seamy again Not not for a game of name dropping, but I know Uh, like my friend etsy O that has bomb hoggy my favorite little place to get Philly cheese steaks which you can't find for shit out in California Does yummy stuff? I know like thanish the manager at my at my bank. I know Neil who has well of course east coast pizza You know, I know their names. I know these people because It's it's got that small town feel to it right it's not just in and out and you have no time to meet anybody or know anybody or you know I mean um, I've been out there because uh tarantactical that's out in seamy valley and it's right It's just a normal neighborhood.

1:57:31It's a normal community sort of divorced from a lot of what ails LA And I know you you had gone there to from past times. It's just telling me do you still go back in yeah What I'm in LA. Yeah, well, yeah, if I'm in LA and I have time I go back there Shave in another five minutes since I'm around the corner. Well, oftentimes I'm there on Sunday Oh, well, let me know. Yeah, let me know. That's cool I didn't know if you if you went back. I know you liked it. Yeah, it's good now I mean if you have a gun it's good to know how to really use it Yeah, you know and uh, he's the best that guy's awesome.

1:58:03He's such a great give you instructions. Oh, yeah It's instructions. Oh, it's not just no no here's a range and no no no no no you're getting you're getting taught by a master I mean tarant is like a multiple -time world champion. Oh, no shooting competitions. Yeah, I did not know I did not know it was an instructional Yeah, he trained Kiano Reeves there for John Wick. Oh, yeah, he trained um Michael Jordan Michael B Jordan. He trained him from a bunch of his movies. He's trained Just a host of people. I was there with Rob Lowe I've been there with multiple comedians. I took my friend Shane Gillis there.

1:58:36It's like he he trains people like literally from the Very beginning how to correctly hold the pistol how to brace it correctly What amount of pressure you put with your left hand versus your right hand? How to line the sights up He teaches you like how to do everything correctly That's awesome that Kiano Reeves has that so when he's filming it he's looking like oh he looks Is shutting a shooting a gun super legit if you watch John Wick. He looks super legit He absolutely knows what he's doing because tarant trained him. I mean everything he does is exactly how you do it How long have you known Tarant Tarant Tarant Tarant Tarant Tarant Tarant year's I don't know many years I think I first went there I forget who brought me there, honestly.

1:59:21I forget who brought me there. But you know, you go there for like an hour and he coaches you. It's great. A couple hours maybe. And you always have new people that have met Chad Stilesky, the guy who produced and directed. He actually wrote and directed and produced it. Yeah, I think he did. If you didn't write it by himself, he definitely co -wrote. Yeah. So I met him there. I met like a bunch of really cool people there. I always have it in like the king of Jordan was just there training with him. Yeah, it's wild. Like he trains people. He's that good. Like he trains people from all over the world.

1:59:55Does he do just firearms or does he do bow and arrow? Just firearms. Yeah, they do throw hatchets too. So he shows you how to throw a hatchet. Because there's a lot of stuff that people use in movies. And in John Wick movies and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, Halle Berry trained there. There's all these videos of her learning how to shoot a pistol. I don't know if I've ever spoke with you about it. I always went growing up. I fiddled with archery bow and arrows. Yeah. Fascinating. And then you know, uh, Noug. Sure. And he's, whack master as his brand is. Do you, yeah, you got into that too, right?

2:00:34We're chanting. Yeah, weren't you doing that? Yeah, I still do it. Yeah, I just got back. I just got back from an elk hunt in Utah. Oh, yeah, bow hunting, bow hunting. Yeah, yeah, practice every day. I was out my yard today practicing. Oh, cool. Yeah, always. Yeah, for me, yeah, for me, that's harder than then guns. Of course. I mean, guns taking skill set for sure. Oh, yeah, no, guns aren't easy. It's not easy to kill a deer with a rifle. I mean, you could get lucky and one can be close. But if you're in the mountains, it's very difficult to get close to them. You just understand the wind and how to sneak up on them.

2:01:07It's easy, er, with a rifle, because you could take a 200 yard shot ethically. Whereas with a bow, you really want to get inside a 60 yards, if you can. Right. And then have the aim. And you have to be really good. Yeah, and then the aim. And you have to be able to keep your nerves together. Yeah. Yeah, I was always. There's a lot going on. Fascinated with it. And I, my dad, because my area, again, have a lot of hunting, fishing, that kind of stuff. So that was promoted. It's an amazing way to get food. It really is. Like your food has a, it's a very realistic way to get your food. You just have a very different connection with what your food is.

2:01:43You know, when I eat an elk steak, it's a very different connection than if I eat like a steak that I got from H .E .B. Explain. Well, you were there when this, like, the last one I killed was my favorite. Because it was so old. It was an 11 year old elk and his teeth were all worn out. Like when we opened his jaw, that's about as old as you get in the mountains. Like you might have lived to be 13, but probably not. And during the rut, when they're breeding, they don't eat a lot of the time. So they lose a ton of weight because they just run around chasing tail. And then literally no pun intended.

2:02:15Yeah, no pun intended. And then during the winter, it's rough. It's rough because they have to eat as much as they can after the rut. And by that time, it might already be snowing. So the grass might be getting covered up, but it's harder to get food. And you know, if you're not lucky, you could freeze the death in the winter because you don't have enough fat. And it happens to them all the time. And that's generally how they go out or a cat cat. And one of the two is probably coming. Or they can get injured and the cat catches them limping. And then that's a wrap. It's a fucking hard scrap of life.

2:02:47So that was my favorite because we got them at the right time. 11 years old. This is like, that's a really good time. That's a real mature wise old elk. They just caught slipping. And so when I'm eating that, I'm eating something that I work really hard to get to. I practice really hard. I've got a really good shape. Did all these things, did work on my aim, work on my precision, with my shooting, and they just work on, you know, all the things, the cardio, all the things that you have to do to do it. So it's just a very different connection than just, I'll still eat a steak at a restaurant. I still love them.

2:03:21It's so great. It's just a different experience. Right. Well, sure. Yeah. It's more, definitely more personal. It's definitely more personal, but it's also more honest. You know, it's a much more honest exchange, you know, especially if you're getting some factory farm shit. There's a lot of weird karma that comes with that. You know, there's a lot of weird karma. It's so easy to get a chicken sandwich. It's so easy to pull into a drive -through and get a chicken sandwich. But if you had to see the life that chicken lived, you'd probably be pretty fucking horrified. You know, there's a lot of the chickens we buy.

2:03:57I'm sure you've seen those chicken trucks that are driving down the street on the highway, and they're just stuffed with chickens, and you're like, yo, that's a fucked up life. Do you ever see the one where the pigs, there was a car accident, I think, and the pigs jumped out of the fucking truck, and they were like splattered all over the highway. They, you know, tried to escape. Yeah, not good. So, like I said, it's a very interesting experience. It's a different thing. Oh, sure. No, agreed. Yeah. Understood. So, you're still hunting, obviously. Yeah. You just came back for one thing. Yeah. It's also a good reset for me, because, you know, I do this weird thing where everybody listens to me talk.

2:04:37Very strange. You know, the whole thing is very strange. And you could get a very inflated sense of your worth, your perspective, and your place on Earth. But when you're in the mountains, that's literally impossible. Oh, yes. You know exactly, you know how tired you get when you go up the hill. You know what a bitch you are. You know, you know, you can pair us into these other animals that are out there hunting these things. You are not, you're only an apex predator because you have a bow. That's about it. That's it. In fact, that is it. That's the only reason. And then, you know, you're also encountering this unforgiving, uncaring, beautiful landscape.

2:05:16It's not just a landscape. It's a realm. Fair enough. When you're there, it's like when you're in the actual wild, it's a realm. It's a different realm than the realm we exist in. I know you can just walk into it. But once you are in there, you are living inside this ancient system. This ancient system of tooth and claw. This ancient system of breeding and survival and predators and carnivores and these animals that are just there to pick up the mass. The vultures that swoop in and the birds and it's just a fucking wild place to be man. And it just completely resets me. I understand and agree.

2:06:02You have good reverence. Long time ago, I met a couple of Indians, Native American that tried to follow basically their lineage. And the discussion was that the same vein of the respect of that, you described it well, that realm. It is like a realm. That's why it's so disappointing when you find garbage. The saddest thing when you're on like, you know, some public trail and you see like a water bottle that someone just discarded like, oh no, you're bringing our bullshit into this incredible realm. Yeah. In that realm, there's no garbage. It doesn't exist. Everything gets eaten. Everything that dies gets consumed by the earth.

2:06:49It becomes fertilizer for the trees. It becomes food for all these creatures that live there. It's all a cycle. It's an insanely perfect cycle. And when you're there, it's just like, oh okay. It just puts it all in perspective. It's also fucking thrilling, man. Like when you're around these animals, it's greasy and eagle fly overhead. It's like, wow. Yeah. It's thrilling. Big bird. In California a few years back, I watched a golden eagle grill a rabbit. Real big bird. Oh man, it was awesome. He swooped in and we saw it just, we were driving in a truck and we saw it just at the very end. There was like this rabbit that was like right underneath the branches of this tree.

2:07:34And this eagle just swooped in and grabbed it. And just grabbed it on the ground and started flapping its wings and going up this little hill within. We were like, holy shit. I am, again, from background where I'm from, a lot of farms and mobsters too. Oh, there was that. But a lot of farms worked, you know, when I was younger, chucking hay bales. And because of being around barns, seed owls, how... Oh, they're amazing. They are. They are. You know, everyone's like, owls are so fascinating and cool and neat. I'm like, they are a cold, blooded assassin. Ruthless night stalkers. Ruthless and absolutely silent.

2:08:18Yeah, they're amazing. They make no noise. They are the nature's hit man. Have you ever seen the video? It's a trail camera video that they set up on this nest of hawks. So these hawks in this nest. And they're sitting there at night just looking around. And then the owl comes in from the background. You see his eyes in the distance and just snatches them. Watch this, because it's amazing. They are... This is what an owl is. It's not give a hoot, don't pollute. It's not... No. This is the way he gets to the library. They are... Watch this. They are assassins. So look in the distance and you'll see the eyes soon.

2:08:50There they are. Watch this. Here they come. Oh, right here. No, no, no, no, no. They'll just appear. Well, I'm sure he'll make real quick work of it. Here he comes. Watch this. Look at the eyes. Oh, bam! And that other one is like, what? Where's my brother? What just happened? What the fuck? Like I said, just slowly... Absolutely silent and unbelievably efficient. Watch. Look at the eyes, man. That's a demon. Wham! I mean, that is a demon. It's just a fluffy demon. Fluffy demon. If that thing was doing that to people and it was covered in like lizard scales, we would say, oh my god, it's a demon.

2:09:29But because it's got feathers for some reason, we like to think this thing is this wise, cute thing. Now I've watched them hunt. And I think the thing was most fascinating in me is absolutely silent. Yeah. There's no noise. You know what? The prey? There's no idea that thing's coming. Yeah. When we were just leaving California, we found one that looked like it'd been poisoned. It's a real bummer, man. And owl? Yeah, because what happens is people poison rats. If people have rats in their garbage, they'll put rat poison out. So rats eat the poison, the owls eat the rats, and the rats and the owls.

2:10:12Poisons the owl. And so this, you know, I'm not an expert in owls, but there was something really wrong. Because it was sitting in the front door of our house. And it was literally the day before we moved to Texas. Oh. Just sitting there. Oh, the old ones. Yeah. So it was like symbolic. To me, it was almost like symbolic of the life I knew here dying. That I had to leave it. So it was a little guy. Like about that big. I think it was a regular size owl. Yeah. It was in a mature owl. It was a mature owl, but it was fucked up. And it was just like just fucked up, just trying to move a little and could move its wings.

2:10:51It was very, very, very sad. And I know where I lived was very hilly. There's a lot of rats. There's a lot of coyotes. There's a lot of wildlife out there. Sure. So I'm assuming that someone poisoned it. Because it was a suburban community, and people don't want rats in their garbage. Sure. They don't understand the food chain. But I think that was a real problem that was killing off a lot of owls. See if that's documented. Because I think that was a real problem in the Hollywood Hills as well. That they were people were poisoning rats, and the rat poison was killing owls. It's a bummer, man. But you know, there's something about those.

2:11:29I don't know how they got labeled, the way they got labeled. Like I don't know how they got a monocle. Like something happened. Yeah, that would be the wise old owl. Rat poison from marijuana farms is harming federally threatened northern spottered owls. So it's, yeah, it's a thing. It's not, I'm sure it's not just the marijuana farms. I know people in my neighborhood use rat poison. I know they were. Sure. Because people would ask you how do you deal with the rats? Well, it doesn't sound like it's a far -fetched theory. That's for sure. No. Do you know how smart rats are? That if you leave some poison.

2:12:05I head rats as pets. Did you? Yes. Have you ever seen the Netflix show, rats? No. Oh my god. There's an amazing documentary on Netflix called rats. And you watch it, and you just go, what? Like you don't understand the scope of the rat problem in this country. Like you don't know that there's more the same, I think they think it's the same. I know that's the same city. Biomass. I think in New York City, the biomass of rats surpasses the biomass of humans. So if you weighed all the people in New York City, I think the rat biomass is actually either the same or larger. That's how many rats are on New York City.

2:12:43Yay. See if that's true. I know that I've read multiple. They don't have an accurate estimation of the rats. It's like fish in the ocean. Huge different numbers. It's like two million or 50 million. Wait. If it's two million, it's 25 % of the human population there. And if it's 50 million, it's what? And it's way more. That's what I mean. Yeah. I bet it's 100 million. Fucking rats in New York City are insane. Oh, I'm very familiar. Yeah. And this documentary shows how intelligent they are. And one of the things they do, if you leave poison in a rat tunnel where the rats go, the rats will get a young stupid rat to go eat the poison.

2:13:20It's like, hey man, look at that food. And they'll sit back and watch. The old rats will sit back and watch. And the young rat goes over to her cheating poison. And they go, yep, thought so. And they take off. Like they know there's videos of rats setting rat traps with sticks. They've seen this? No. Totally believable. They set up a rat trap and this rat walks over and picks up a stick and drops it on the rat trap so it can get the cheese. Like that's how fucking smart they are. Sure. Those little creeps. Those little creeps. Watch this. So look at this rat. Oh, yeah, that's a rat, right? It's on a mouse.

2:13:58It says mouse trap. It isn't that a rat? Like the tail? I don't know. What is that? That looks small enough to be a mouse, but I could be a rat. Either way, whatever this fucking thing is, watch this. Wow. Snap. With a fucking stick man. Like it knows how to set that thing off and it didn't even flinch. You imagine you don't know that that's going to happen and you drop a stick on something and it explodes. That watch that mouse or rat or whatever the fuck it is. That thing. Oh, you're right. He didn't freak out because the system was smart. Yeah, world's smartest rat. So it is a rat. Watch this.

2:14:31This motherfucker doesn't even flinch. Watch. Drops it on there. Not a budge. Not at all. It's like cracking a safe. If it's a rat, do you think maybe this kid trained it? Trained it? Yeah. Yeah, it's probably afraid. Yeah. It didn't just happen randomly. Yeah, it's probably for the clicks. Because he used to teach him to play basketball where I was from. Maybe. It might be for the clicks or it might be a legit video of how fucking smart rats were. It was trying to figure out how these motherfuckers not dying. Maybe he just kept a rat trap in the same spot over and over and over again. And eventually they realized, Every time it snaps, then a rat gets killed, but the food's still there.

2:15:08Yeah, well, this account is, like he's got mouse trap Monday. So he must have. Oh, so he's like running experience. See, that's a mouse in the picture. Yeah, that's his. If that's his buddy pal was the other one of mouse or a rat though. Stunt mouse. So this is the guy that did that little video. Yeah, so I was noticing in this account, I had like two million followers on it. I was like, this might be. It says mouse says mouse trap Monday. So they look like mice in that little thing that he's holding, right? Right. So he must have trained mice. And he probably incentivizes them to snap the trap.

2:15:42Yeah, the theory of what Pavlo's dog or whatever. Yeah, repeat, repeat, learn. I wonder how he taught them how to set a trap with a fucking stick. I wonder how many died. Yeah, right. He buys a lot of his little pets. The dark side to mouse trap Monday. Yeah, the very dark side to mouse trap Monday. What are you doing over there, man? Yeah, I know, right? If you're running tests, someone's going to use mice. I bet he would have the video of him teaching it if he did do that too. Because that would get that would get some views, you know? Yeah. It's a strange thing, Art. I mean, it's obviously that we have this distaste for rats and mice because they carry these bugs.

2:16:28They carry the playing and they carry diseases. And they document that in the Netflix special, too. The Netflix special shows like some of them have plague. There's like so many. Yeah, they catch me. Obviously not a lot of people are getting bitten by rats, but if you worry, be fucked. There's a lot of them that are just horrific. Now, I have to congratulate you for what? And something you may not know. So you are the fucking. I know. I talk in my hands. What do you want? You mean I know. What is it? So I got together with a guy named Drew Hardin, who's been an editor at, like, think of Hot Rod and Ryan and custom a bunch of different books.

2:17:08And he's written books like books. He had a book called Hot Rod Magazine, All the Covers, which covered up to, you know, pun, all the way up to 2009. Hot Rod started in 1947. So all the way up to 2009, every cover ever printed, right? And then he just released a new book, like the history of Hot Rod Magazine, right? Which be get every automotive magazine. That was the first. And Mr. Peterson, I mean, he had everything. He had Hot Rod, he had field and stream, better homes and gardens, like every mate, popular science, every book you could think of was him, if I remember right. Anyway, so I, because of your late discover, asked Drew, Hey, man, how many, how many cars have ever been, have been on the Hot Rod Magazine twice?

2:18:01And I have every issue of Hot Rod from 47 to now. But it's easier to ask someone who's like written a book about the covers than go through every one of them. And we found 14 cars that had been on the cover twice. But I said, Hey, how many cars have been on the cover three times? And there's five. And one of them, I mean, it made the criteria. It was on the cover three times, but it was Hot Rod Magazine's Crusher Camaro. So I'm like, Oh, that's insider trading. The editors can put their own car on the cover, but nevertheless, but your Nova was on shared cover with my Buick funny car, Skylark, clearly in the cover.

2:18:52That was part of the criteria. Is the vehicle, if there's more than one car in the cover, is it on purpose? And yours was on purpose. And it's on the side. It's not even back there. It's here. And then it was on the cover in bare metal built. And then brand new out right now on the news dance. Or hot rod. So you are one of five cars ever in the history of Hot Rod Magazine to be on the cover three times. That's pretty fucking cool. Which is written. Congratulations, sir. Thank you very much. What does it look like on the cover? Show me the cover or the magazine? Oh, I've got it in my briefcase.

2:19:26I'll send one back to you. I brought one for you right now. Yes, you will. Brand new issue of Hot Rod Magazine. I've got it on my phone, but he'll find it. I'm sure Jamie will find it. Well, he's an island. He's an island. He'll find it. He's a rock. Wow. Pretty cool. So. But now, no pressure out to our editor on the camera. Trying to get him four times. Is that what we're trying to do? No. No, we're all done with that car. Okay, let's go with this pressure talk. No, no, the John McGann, who's the curtain editor of Hot Rod Magazine, which we think for the wonderful cover. Did you find it? Yeah.

2:20:05If I'm putting it out there, putting it out there to the car universe, if he gets the opportunity or wishes to feature the, you're up there. There you go. Hot Rod Remix. There it is. Well, your six fish 2 .0 that the Roadster shop did a wonderful, beautiful job. If they feature it again, and if the guides of Hot Rod deem it so to put it on the cover, I'm putting it out there. If no pressure, John, but if that happened, you would be the only human on the planet to own two vehicles, one that been on the cover twice, because six fish was on the cover once in bare metal. Right. And then the novas on the cover three times.

2:20:49You would be the only human in history. Someone can have that. He can have someone else can. I don't know. I'm just saying. It's okay. I don't know. I'm just, hey, I don't know if John's featuring it or if he's telling the cover of a prestigious thing, but it's a neat thing. Yeah, it's cool. The car's cool. I just like them for what they are. You know what? And that's really true. I've talked with a lot of people because they asked me because obviously you're well known for this gig. And I think you're just rippingly funny. Well, watch it tonight, by the way. I'm going to go down and watch it.

2:21:20And they're my car world guys are like, is he really like a gear hit? And I'm like, you know what? I don't think he's outwrenching on it, but I know he has a very deep, totally digs it. Thinks it's wonderful. Thanks to school. Yeah, I don't wrench on him, but I do love him. He's not on this to look cool owning one. You actually really like them. No, I love them. You know what I'm driving them? I go in my garage. I stare. Sitting there. You know what? That's a great thing that's been said again within my world. You got the wrong car. If you don't park it, walk away and turn around to look at it again.

2:21:57Yeah. If you do that, you got the right car for you. You turn around and you look at it and go, that thing's badass. Sometimes I don't even have to drive it. I just sit and look at it. Yeah, it's art. It really is. These kind of old cars in particular, especially like that know -of -that -you -made, is a piece of art. Yeah. To me, I get a much greater satisfaction out of that kind of art than I do a lot of art. I love art. Obviously, it's this studio. It's filled with art out there. I love art. I love when people make things. I love human expression. I love it in, I like custom -made pool cues.

2:22:31I like when people make shoes. I like stuff that people make. Artisives. Yes. Cars. That's what I like. I like when I see a thing, I know that humans made it. They worked on it. They're mine. They're creativity. They're skill. They're talent. I love that. It's interesting because obviously you have a lot of dexterity from hunting, learning and utilizing firearms and say, bow like we were talking. Do you have an outlet that is artistic? Would work? Do you do stuff anything like that because you obviously have a high appreciation for it? No, no, I don't really make anything. No, I just other than jokes and podcasts.

2:23:15Did you ever want to? No, to me it's like music. I don't have any music talent, but I really appreciate music. I love that I can't play guitar, but I can go watch Gary Clark Jr. I'm like, I just don't even have a house. Of course. How the fuck is he doing that? The sounds is just magic. I love it. I love that I have no connection to it. I love that kind of stuff. I love things that I don't have any skill in doing. I love watching people actually. But you appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate human expression. I think that we all do. Yeah. Oh, I definitely do. There's human expression in a lot of forms.

2:23:52And for me, when I was a kid growing up, the fucking coolest thing in the world were hot rods. When I was 15, 16, when I was getting my learners permit and about to get a driver's license, all of us in the town that I grew up in in Newton, Massachusetts, all my friends, everyone was obsessed with cars. We were all obsessed with Camaro's and Firebirds and everyone was obsessed with cars. My things and Chevelles and yeah. That is burned in my brain. We used to go, there was a, I've got to wish I could remember his name because he was so cool. There was an auto shop teacher, this old Irish guy. He was fucking great.

2:24:31He was hilarious. And we always wanted to take auto shop class because he was just a regular guy. You could hang out with him. And he was only into Mustangs, like old Mustangs. And he had these old Mustangs and we'd all work on these Mustangs and fucking bondo them and fix things. What happened this and that? But it was just, I developed this appreciation for what those things are and the magic that they instill in some people. He's not everybody. Some people see him and they're like, oh, it's noisy, it's loud, it stinks. But other people see him and they go, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And that was me.

2:25:04And that's still me. So to this day, so that's why I like those cars. Sure. Those cars to me are like how someone wants to buy a van go. They want to put this, you know, this fucking Jackson Pollock painting in their wall and they sit there and they'll have a glass of wine and they'll stare at that. And that's for them. And I love painting too. I love art too. But there's the art that really fucking gets my juices going is functional art like a car. Yeah. Because that's what it is. It's a piece of functional art. It is a piece of art. I agree completely. And it's the, that's what drives me is the create it and build it.

2:25:40Yeah. And then when I'm done with that, I'm like, really? I'd love it. And then I can't wait to do the next thing I'm going to create and do and build. And that's the excitement for me is the design and then the make it. Yeah. So that's really what you're good fortune is that you found this thing that you're really good at. Oh, unbelievable. And then you love. And then you love. That's the good fortune. And then also you've attracted like minded great people to do these things with you. Yes. That's the really good fortune. Yeah. Unbelievable fortunate that I was or as a joke they put up with me, you know, and help forge this stuff that I know.

2:26:15They're cool people too. It's a good vibe. Like every time I've gone to a shop, it's a fun vibe. Yeah. They're really, you know what they are or the term I use is because plenty of people say, you know, good people. I say they're good humans. Yeah. They're just a good human being. They're good fish or folk. The nice nice fish or folk. That's today's word. Fisher folk. Brightening word. But yet it's not really. But yeah, I am really. Yeah, that's the thing. And that's really thankful for my the my I call it the shop family because I got my guys, right, the current crop of Troy and Kelly and then our new boy Tommy.

2:26:57And then my sub light guys, as I've already said, Mick and Gabe's those guys I consider an arm off of my shop because they become involved with it. Sure. They treat my stuff like it's something. Yeah. You know, they put the care into it and their talent into it. And so it is a group of like my like you said, like minded guys that, you know, and they care that their names on it. They actually that's why you do a good stories. Cool. It was because your story, you know, building that first car in the garage like that or the barn. Yeah. But all that stuff, that's what people need to hear like that.

2:27:36There's a path to finding what it is you do. And that path is going to be weird and it's going to take a long time sometimes. Yeah. It's difficult and it's not going to be easy and you don't fucking struggle, but you can do it. People can do it. People have done it. And maybe you didn't do it this time. So pick yourself up and try it again and keep doing it and keep trying to find that thing. And if you could find that thing, you'll have a happier life. Yeah. I am. And thank you for recognizing that because I agree with that. It's like, you know, you've actually got to work hard at this. It's hard.

2:28:08Whatever it is, it doesn't have to be building a car. How long did that know of a take to build? That took a long time. Way too long. Way too long. Obviously a lot of that was your eye issues, but it took a long fucking time. It takes a long time to make something. Right. Now if I had nothing else to do and we just did that, it wouldn't be done much more. Even hammer. How many years of that take? A couple of years. Yeah, years, years of every day. Oh, oh, yeah. That's a good thing to understand. This is not something that gets made quick. Oh, no. It is a long time. I remember going to visit you and like, you know, seeing the process from the very beginning, the bear frame and we were.

2:28:41The bear body. Oh, yeah, getting you to measure my eye. I see the. Yeah, the windshield is a perfect size. It's all fitted for you. It's amazing. It's really, really fucking cool. It's fun. It's great. You know, what you do is it's much appreciated. And you've done a really cool thing with this too, because this is evolved and grown and done things. It's interesting to me because I watched. There is the comedian thing and then there was this thing because this isn't funny. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, that's the thing the comedians are afraid of. Like they're afraid of like you have to be funny always.

2:29:17Oh, yeah, you've done a fantastic of job, a fantastic job of separating church and state almost. Well, the real separation is the UFC. That's my real separation because I'm not even remotely funny on the UFC. I don't say. True. The UFC is just 100%. See, and I don't swim in those waters because I don't, but I know of you being there, obviously. But it's like, it's a completely different gig. It's a martial arts expert gig. That's what I'm doing. I'm just like, I'm analyzing choices. I'm looking at like positions. I'm looking at the trying to fight. Yeah, you're analyzing. Yeah, I'm trying to like give justice to what these guys are doing.

2:29:52Like commentary. Not to pretend to interview you, but did you, did you, I think it just naturally happened. I don't think you on purpose set out to do these three things. No. The comedy and then the Joe Rogan experience this show and then the commentary for the, no, for the fighting. They just, those are just things I like. Right. And they just happened. It just happened that things I like, I wound up doing professionally. Yeah. And the UFC was a, but if you step away from it, it's very curious. There are three very different things. Yeah, yeah, but there are three things that I have a genuine interest and passion for.

2:30:27And I think I learned something from all three of those things. And I think all three of those things for in my life, they all feed off of each other and they all help each other. They all work symbiotically. Right. Like being a person who talks to people all the time about different paths, different walks of life. Like, you know, that informs you on the way different people think and the way different people express themselves, the way different people, what they like and what they don't like. And then with MMA, it's like what's possible? Like talking about Michael Bisping, fighting 10 fights with one foot in the eye and winning the world title.

2:31:03You know, as a huge underdog in a last minute replacement fight, you see like the human spirit in this very raw and just unfiltered form that I don't think very many people get to see. It's a wild type of human being that participates in that. And they're the risks they take and the rewards that they get, the highs that they get. This is an amazing speech. Find Israel Adesanya's speech after he beat Alex Paheda. Israel Adesanya was one of my favorite fighters of all time. He loses his title to this guy, Alex Paheda. This guy, Alex Paheda has beat him twice in kickboxing. One time he knocked him out and then they're fighting in the UFC for Israel Adesanya's world title.

2:31:48Israel loses the title to him in a TKL. Then he comes back five months later and knocks him out and back it up. And this is the speech that he gets. And he said to me, can I have the microphone for a second? I said, absolutely. So watch this. Yes, sir. Hey, shut, shut, listen up. I want to say something. People, earth, I need to say something. Listen to me. I hope every one of you behind the screens on this arena can feel this level of happiness just one time in your life. I hope all of you can feel how happy I am just one time in your life. But guess what? You never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something in your own life when they knock you down, when they try to knock you down, when they talk about you and they try to put their foot on your neck.

2:32:42If you stay down, you will never ever get that resolved. Fortify your mind and feel this level of happiness as you rise one time in your life. But I'm blessed to be able to feel the **** again and again and again and again and again. Beautiful. That's the end of the podcast. That's life. That's life right there, ladies and gentlemen. Steve Stroke, I appreciate you brother. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for the opportunity. There's a lot of fun, man. Yeah. And I appreciate your friendship. Thank you. And we do it in cars. We'll do it again. A masterpiece. That you created a masterpiece.

2:33:15You're a **** awesome guy. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody. See you.