#2043 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

36:47They're the first person who shows them affection the first person to show You know what everybody else is written you off everyone else thinks you're stupid But you know what come and join us come and join us. I'll show you respect You're I'm gonna give you responsibility and you know what else you're gonna do you're gonna get money Here's a question We all have we all have this vision of a utopian society Where there is no longer war there is no longer crime and then but it's never existed It's never existed even briefly isn't it what is there something That human beings It's almost like built into the operating system of human beings That you need a certain amount of antagonists a certain amount of protagonists To keep things moving And that the the urgency that everybody feels right now is like social urgency It's almost like we're building up to like an ideological super bowl Like we're gonna figure out which one of these ideas makes the most sense You know You know it's like it feels like there's like this tension build up I almost wonder If that's something that we need in order to figure things out like we need this chaos We need people trying to control narratives.

38:02We need people trying to censor people We need people to do it so we realize how horrific it is so we act out we talk about it So it's not like this Slow creeping censorship. We don't notice it. It's like it's shocking Sensoring news stories that could hurt the you know the the part of that they want to win in the elections It's crazy stuff It is crazy and we had the case with debanking in the UK where this guy nods your for us I don't know if you know him. I did hear about that story Yeah, he's kind of like the Donald Trump of the UK in some ways you know very unpopular with some things very with some people very popular with others And his bank which was a kind of like bank for wealthy people they closed his account without explaining why Um He started doing some digging he did a freedom of information request or something.

38:48It's not called up But it's basically the same thing And the the bank came out and said it's because he doesn't have enough money Bullshit turned out it wasn't true Eventually he got the information saying the the transcripts of their internal conversations were That part of the reason they shot his account down was political right And then we had the financial conduct authority which is the people who are supposed to investigate this stuff They did an investigation and said there was no political debanking going on All the newspapers reported it and in paragraph five of that same article You can see that his case was not taken into account in the report Right so they they lied about it stage after stage after stage and now you've got mainstream journalist spreading this crap That they know isn't true is have a good headline All they have to do is have a good headline the inside of it can be nonsense And they can even show you in front right in front of your face why what they're saying is incorrect And it doesn't matter and then they all bitch and wine and then they go wise no one watching our content Well, here's the wildest one that's going on right now You know the Mar -a -Lago controversy of the price pricing or the The inflated value of the house tomorrow.

39:59Lago will be sick. Yeah, the judge ruled it was worth 18 million It's 20 acres in like the most expensive real estate in that area like a house down the street from it much smaller Just sold for 50 million dollars. Wow even a Forbes said it's worth somewhere between I think see what Forbes said I think they said it was worth between 300 and 700 million dollars and They were saying that it's worth 18 million It's like they didn't even try to pretend What does the guy if the guy says this is how it's worth a billion dollars right yeah And then you come along and say no, no, that's worth like 800 million Forbes says it's worth as much as 700 million We'll call it 700 million now you got a reasonable argument.

40:44Yeah, but if you say 18 million like you got it now That's a papalus The police is a palace. It's 20 acres It's a fuck out of here. This is great. You can't do that. That's like too obvious that you're just you don't give a fuck about the truth They don't you don't give a fuck about the truth He claimed it was worth 1 .5 billion and laid his plea to drop fraud case But judge ruled it's wildly inflated. Yeah, but the judge does not have An accurate sense of the market in my opinion It's just that the property size alone It's such a giant chunk of property I get it. That says it's worth some about half a bill right that what No, see he said the judge was saying that it's worth between eight oh says okay Siting an appraisal report from the city of Palm Beach that pegged the value of Mar -a -Lago between 18 million and 27 .6 million Between 2011 2020.

41:41All right. Okay, so it was 18 million announced worth because of inflation 27 325 million that's how much Forbes estimated Mar -a -Lago's worth as of September All the way pegged's net value at 292 million after deducting roughly 33 million in debt. Okay, so it's got debt So I think what this what they're saying this scam is is you wildly over inflated piece of real estate again I don't know jack shit about real estate. All right, just just but I think what you do is you say I got a house with a billion dollars I need a loan Based on this billion dollar property. I have but if then they sent it appraiser to you Say hey, but just house worth 18 million then you're like, uh -oh So now you really you got a loan, but you got a loan based on something that's not really worth is So they're collateral or whatever it is it would the reason why they would give you that much money doesn't make a sense But clearly that can't be accurate if you're seeing pictures of that fucking place Yeah, show some photos of Mar -a -Lago And if that was 18 million do you be buying them every day right that would it would last three Seconds on the market before somebody bought it people would just be calling up the phone lines.

42:52We get jammed Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, site unseen. I'll take it. Yeah, he's 18 million. I mean even 27 million calling a 1 .5 billion is a Trump thinker Favorite thing about the whole speech is he talks about himself in the third person the judge hates Trump So he keeps saying That is it that's a nice terrible is a nice guy fucking palace man look at that place She's insane and the inside of it is all like look click on that photo of Trump there with the chandelier look how fucking beautiful it is inside Matt that is ridiculous. I mean look maybe it's me being a Brit but I'll look at it go It's a bit fucking much that oh, it's a lot much That's not my style that looks like something out of a Russian sauce house That's what I like about it If Trump lived in some bullshit fucking log cabin I'd be so disappointed right right Trump lived in like fucking John Dutton's house on Yellowstone Yeah, that's on brand as we say that's on brand Size that property.

43:57Yeah, so those little houses around there sell like 30 billion dollars Wow, that's crazy expensive property there. Yeah, to think that that's only worth 80 million to 27 million That's seems a little insane. You know the thing that always gets me man is I You read in the mainstream media and they criticize our podcast and in your show and and then they go These people spread misinformation. I'm like mate Like what were you talking about you have been spreading misinformation from day one? You know what I mean? It's like getting an extra them dating from Ted Bundy. You're like mate come on. Yeah, it seems crazy for them to keep Harping on that at this point.

44:37It's like don't you know about the internet People have made they made like compilation videos of you guys being wrong over and over and over and over again And you've never apologized for it The I mean whatever you want to talk about whether it's the the Russia collusion thing or the saying the dangers of Trump Denying the election and you show like how many people denied Trump's election right? Yeah, it's the column the illegitimate president Hillary called him an illegitimate just my president Yeah, they said he stole the election like that kind of if using that's dangerous from him Then it's dangerous from you too and we should all acknowledge that we should try to figure out a way to make the elections as fair as possible My real fear is that not everybody's on board with that That's my real fear.

45:22I would love to believe that everybody on the right and everybody on the left just wants a fair battle And they just want to be able to speak their mind to the public and have the people choose That's what I would like like to believe and that we would like to encourage all Americans to vote Everyone should just get informed and go out there and give your opinion. Let's see how the country feels. Yeah But I don't know how much shenanigans is going on you know, there's a little you know There's a little collusion between you know social media companies. We know that now That's that's kind of scary That's kind of scary that you would think that what you believe is so important that you're willing to manipulate an election That scares you.

46:06Yes, it's just scare us because it's like Man, they could use that on you. I mean we could have this imagine if there's like we have this fucking amazing person He's running for president and like finally all rational people in the center people the rational on the right and the left Agreed this person as the country's best ideas in mind who we've made Like awesome progress with the way this person is communicating with everybody and seems like they could really unite us And they get fucked Somebody comes in and just but manipulates it doesn't like the idea of some new person taking charge doesn't like some like The idea is some radical thinker who wants to try to make things as good as possible for the whole country and that maybe there's a way to do that And they get fucked by some establishment spokesperson Because they know how to manipulate the system and look at the thing the people that rise to the top and the current system in your country Uninhous I mean the idea that these two people whoever they end up being if it's Biden and Trump let's say These are the best people out of 320 million fucking people well the thing about Biden is he's already one right So he is the president so it only makes sense that he runs for president.

47:16Yeah, if he's physically capable doing that The thing about Trump is There's you know the narrative that he and a lot of his followers put out is that the election was rigged and That you know he should be the legitimate the legitimate president anyway and no one else is There's no one's voting for anybody else like these hardcore Trumpers. They're they're gonna go all in on Trump So it's like okay, how else could it be other than Trump versus Biden unless they arrest Trump unless they figure out a way to make some of these charges stick And here's the thing with Trump, you know you know To him this isn't this is no longer a presidential race to him This is existential because this is probably the only chance he's gonna have of avoiding jail So you look at it like that and you think Trump is already a guy who let's put it bluntly and mildly will do whatever it takes to win and if You could put a guy like that and you say The only way that you're gonna have a boy jail is to win the presidency You're already notching it up you ratchet when it comes to Making the atmosphere really tops and you can play that argument the other way I mean in terms of Biden and the investigations that are happening Donald Trump gets elected.

48:34What are you gonna do that they would argue that too right yeah You're the Biden things fascinating to watch people ignore it Did you see no dormans interview with that guy? No, I never saw man. It's no dormant from the seller from the comedy seller. Okay. He had a guy on his podcast who he build up as like the most sane Guy who says that the hunter Biden thing was a nothing burger and they went round for like an hour and the guy just would not It was the craziest thing that I've ever seen I'll send it to you. Okay. Yeah, it's a journal from the Washington Post Yeah, yeah, he thinks it's nothing.

49:10Yeah, yeah, but but when he's doing mental gymnastics Yeah, so when no no, I'm essentially corners him and goes no, no look at this look at this the guy just he just leave he wants to leave That's it. Yeah Yeah, well, that's a fucking live wire for them. They don't want to touch that yeah, you know It's like there's really no defending it rationally So if you're on the team that has to defend the left which you know You've all seen people like that on podcast before we realized like oh this guy's just this is like a real person This is a representative of whatever. Therefore whether it's the right or the left You know, there's people like that we never really see them.

49:45Yeah, you know, they they have walls And what they're doing is just like speaking that kind of language. There's always going to be people with that We've got to get back or not back. I don't think we were ever there But we got to get somehow the idea of the truth matters man I mean, it doesn't matter what fucking team you're on the truth matters if you left right up down whatever the truth matters We're doing it right now. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what we do and that's one of the reasons why your show works Yeah, and that's one of the reasons why this show works is because people could just talk Yeah, and they can they can do so in a way that you really it's not available anywhere else The reason why people are so hungry for these kind of conversations on podcasts is because You can't get it anywhere else Like these other people aren't doing it.

50:24They're doing a different thing They're doing a thing where there's a giant business behind it And there's advertisers and there's a bunch of executives and producers and they all have segments that they've developed and there's writers and everyone And then you get to express yourself sort of through this very narrow window To be able to just sit and shoot the shit and just Just say why is this and why is that and what is this and what is that like that kind of freedom to do that It's never existed before yeah, and they're all terrified of the Twitter storm They're all terrified of a Twitter storm you see it in our politics You know where somebody says something like the hot topic at the moment is Immigration particularly illegal immigration.

51:03So there's a lot of people coming from France to the UK illegally They just jump in a boat from France illegally and these it's run by Gartel's and gangs and the really sad thing is Some of these people actually drown in the English channel as a result and they come and they come to the UK This needs to stop you just can't have unfiltered illegal immigration Yet you get people on and politicians to go look we need to stop this and then people are calling they're saying that they You know want put very famous exports man compares that to Nazi Germany It's like Why is it happening in this big rush?

51:44Is this engineered like why isn't happening like this like what is it about this? It seems like at least some people want to keep the borders open Yeah, it seems like it yeah, it seems like something's changed Where they've made it easier for people to just come across yeah, so what happened Like whose idea is that right and then what is this crazy push Where you want people to not have ID to vote But you want people to have ID to make sure you have a vaccine passport or you can't work or get on a plane And did you check any of these people to see if they're vaccinated when they came aboard you really didn't did you So what are what are we doing here?

52:30It's crazy. It's like hundreds of thousands of people a month It's crazy you brought it up early I think we talked about this last time with you know Tom a soul who's just like I mean I love I've read every book that he's ever published and I just think he's amazing You know we talked about the tragic vision versus the There's slightly more utopian way of looking at things But you know when you were talking about crime earlier the tragic vision of life kind of says If you look back at our history You kind of get a sense of what human beings are yeah, and human beings are flawed. They're not perfect They will commit crime.

53:03They will do terrible things. They will go to war They will do that and so the only thing you can do is know that and then act accordingly right that means that you have to have a border That means you have to have a police force you have to recognize the fallibility of human beings and the societal dynamics as well And then you can make good policy That's how you make good policy But if you live in this blue sky world only the blue sky world is great for inspiring you to be better than your human instincts and all of that But there's also a real world in which you have to you have to be able to live in both And it's hard.

53:36It's really hard But if you can do that you can hopefully make improvements because you're trying to be better You're trying to speak to your own and other people's better angels And at the same time you have to recognize that not everybody's a good guy Some people are terrorists some people are murderous some people are rapists Some people will do things that you don't want to happen and you have to also tackle that at the same time and immigration Countries need borders man. That's something people used to agree about Left and right You know, I've quoted Barack Obama talking about this. We need borders.

54:10Yeah, he was talking about that when he's running for president Yeah, yeah, he's saying something that we get Trump canceled to this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's um What do you think happened Joe? I don't know But I don't know how it can keep happening. I don't know how anybody doesn't recognize that it's a problem and go Hey, let's sort this out. I don't know It's you don't want to go full tin foil hat Nobody does. Nobody wants to like are they engineering some people Some people That's not a board right now If you just stop and think about all these converging factors all these things that are happening simultaneously Right, okay All first of all massive dip in the economy from the covid pandemic businesses closing Then you have George Floyd then you have riots then you have defund the police then you have massive theft and do you know how much more theft there is Lose hardware store loss google this.

55:12I think in 2022 they lost 900 million dollars in theft Yeah, just people walking into their stores and stealing drills and shit Just stealing things because in some places you can get away with stealing as much as 900 dollars And they're not even allowed to stop you. I mean that is a recipe for chaos See if that's true This is new media we actually check the facts and shout out to our friend Andrew Doyle and his new book the new Puritans Yeah, did he ever get kicked off a twitter did tahti on a graph? Yeah, yeah, he yeah, he got kicked off a couple of times that shrink and theft losses near one Billion it lows here's how much it's costing other retailers.

55:57Yeah, so it's true. It's almost a billion dollars. They lost Shrink and theft loss that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know shrink and theft Is shrink like internal theft or what does that mean? It says it's blaming it on shrink What does it mean items lost to factors? Oh external or employees? Okay external or employees so that's okay So what is the actual number? So it says it in there somewhere I'm pretty sure Target lost 219 million more. It's quite a further down Jamie just a little bit there you go 997 is that 997 million from they lost 796 billion in 2021 Oh my god, imagine ensuring them But imagine ensuring you're a store that you know is going to get robbed But but just imagine this joke so I've got Actually constant and went to speak at this festival.

56:54It's a very prestigious prestigious festival in the UK called how they like it right and I have friends who go and speak there and go and watch it The vets like I said constant took part in a debate there And one of my friends went to watch because his partner she was speaking there and hosting debates And I said to him how was it mate? And he said you know the thing that was really worrying. I go what he goes And bear in mind these are some of the most educated people in the UK At least one of them per panel per debate went look until we abolish capitalism Then we're never going to solve these problems And he's just like you're talking about genetics why are you talking about abolishing capitalism But think about it like this it's a virtue.

57:35Yeah, there's not a lot of science research that happens that You know what I mean? Yeah, you need you need money to do research exactly But you think a scientist will get that you know the problem is you know You're they're so insulated in these university Like ecosystems. They're so insulated if you're a professional academic I mean it looks a noble thing it's an amazing thing to be a professor It's an amazing thing to be educating kids and shaping minds and exposing them to great literature and mathematics and all the all the wonderful things Professors teach But the reality of their existence is you go from being a high school student to College University student to getting your master's degree to getting your PhD to teaching You're constantly in this world and that world is almost entirely left wing like radically left wing like the like the what is the percentage of Like far left professors you you almost even think when you think professor like far left It's like Catholic priest You know what I mean?

58:38You know I'm saying unfortunately they're connected right in your hand So you you hear by the you think far left professor Which on high talks about in in his book yeah on social Social studies and stuff like anything Um anything to do with that. It's like nine to one or ten to one sometimes a hundred to one. Yeah So then they're in that world where it's constantly they're constantly being reinforced Like these ideas are reinforced and never challenged and almost you know ridiculously So like really bright people talk like they're in a cult like avoiding reality and bending truth to To placate whatever the the new social norm is for anything.

59:17It's it's like it's It's bizarre to say and so those people are always going to be in conflict with reality So when they're like, you know, we should abolish capitalism like Okay Like you live in a fucking playground Like you're talking about right. Yeah, you're not out there in the real world you teaching kids You're teaching kids in a playground and you're the god because you're the professor with all the knowledge Stop yeah, no, you can't it's never been done before stupid like communism never worked tried tried had look at how that works out violence It leads to fucking authoritarianism it leads to dictatorships who you that you could have enforced people following all these rules You have to that's the point yeah, you have to use violence you have to use violence to make that work with would Would uh yummy park talks about when she talks about uh her experience in North Korea when she fled North Korea She said they promised everyone that they would be able to feed everyone if they took over the land That was that's how they got everyone's land.

1:00:14That's how they got everybody to give up And now they're fucked and that is happening right now in 2023 The way yummy park describes North Korea is actually the way North Korea is right now Yeah, so don't think that that can't happen here. Don't think that they're regulating podcasts in Canada. Oh yeah I was reading yeah, I was reading about this about this bill this because I woke up and I You know where jet lag so woke up at ridiculous time I went on the phone Which you should never do let's be honest that is a bad way to start the day It's not good And then I was reading about what they're doing it's terrifying So they want to bring in this bill whereby they regulate podcasts So what they want to do is every every uh podcast uh Streamer or whatever it is platform that makes more than 10 million dollars revenue not profit revenue Has to register with the Canadian government they then Do want them to hand over information about their content and the people listening To their right to their oh my god to the to the to the government Trying to get in the hole the alge's Jones email list Probably a bunch of sentences Yeah, oh yeah for sure.

1:01:27I mean imagine yeah and then government can get that They're talking right now about and maybe We're gonna need to facture this again because I met I was reading it this morning But basically they want it to promote Canadian I was something to do with like basically one Canadian greatness or whatever it is they talk about it and indigenous affairs and you're like oh So they're gonna say a number of things are un -Canadian And then you can just silence him look what trodo true do true do did with the truckers. Yeah, yeah terrifying We just had one of that guys on to talk about it Not just the truckers but people who donated to the truckers got their banking accounts closed Yeah, yeah, what that is wild yeah, you got locked out of all of your money because you donated to a cause Where you didn't think that people should have to take an experimental vaccine in order to be able to work to drive a truck But really Really you get it you think that's okay like that's so not okay the fact that those people aren't up in arms The whole country didn't freak out and demand So I fucking change like you can't have that's dictatorship stuff.

1:02:34That's what it is. It's banana republic stuff We do these calls with our top supporters and we have some in Canada We have this lady who's been supporting us for years and she's you know She's always fine and in the middle of this thing She was like I'm terrified like I'm not gonna be able to eat because they they're gonna shut down my bank account Right In Canada it's so crazy that the thing they could do that if people disagree with them It is that's all they're doing they're just disagreeing and they're supporting a protest It should be and it was a peaceful protest those people did it the right way they just parked their trucks and They didn't block roads off they didn't do anything fucked up But if you frame it that these people which is what how they were being framed as racist far right well look Yeah, you're giving money to a far right racist organization You're encouraging hate Well, well the government has to step in we have to step in and we need to freeze everything because we need to make everything safe What was this most recent apology because they accidentally awarded a Nazi yeah like what what happened?

1:03:37I think so I think Zalensky was visiting the Canadian Parliament and they got some guy who was a Ukrainian Inverted commas war veteran turned out he fought for the for the bad guys in that one. Oh my god Yeah, I don't think they I don't think like Zalensky or I don't know. Yeah, he didn't know But so imagine you're sitting in Parliament and everyone's like hey, let's do a you know stand up and and give a round of applause for this war veteran You're like yeah, and then you turns out you're uploading a Nazi how old is this dude old? Yeah, he probably doesn't even know I'm not a good guy I don't know fucking good guy maybe like tricked himself.

1:04:15Yeah, yeah Imagine yeah, I mean how do you if you're a same person? I like how do you deal with that fact that you'd committed all of these Heenest crimes Yeah, if you're living in that time, do you think it's just everyone's doing it and you just get sucked into the cult And you're scared or you believe it is it that easy for human beings to other people Is it because it was a different time and people just didn't didn't have as much exposure to To knowledge as they do today and that wouldn't be as possible today I hate to think that that's a possible because there's always been times in history people committed genocide Yeah, there's always been times in history where people have decided that this other group Oftentimes other group that looks exactly like they do right the those are the bad people for whether it's because of religion or Align they drew on the dirt They've decided that those people are worth exterminating And those stories are fucking horrific and that the Nazi Germany one is just the latest one It's just the one that we call upon but you know just think about what the Mongols did You know that's in the in 1200 think about what they did they they just sacked and saw entire cities just killed everybody Piled them up in big fucking stacks Let everything on fire took all the women and they just left town and they did that all over Europe all over Asia They did it all they've they've ran everything they killed something something the neighborhood a 10 % of the world's population Was murdered during Genghis Khan's era so much so that the carbon footprint of human beings on earth Got lower Yeah, you know there's a lot of historians in Russia who say that many of the the reasons the way Russian people are the way they are and there's a lot of like trauma in society that's carrying on is from that period We have a lot of words in Russian for cruelty and all that sort of thing that come from that period completely makes sense Completely makes sense.

1:06:19I mean just imagine I mean the horror of a a gigantic army of men on horseback intent on murdering everyone in front of them And that that was Consistent with the era. It was normal stuff. That was like oh the Mongols here refuct You know like that was that was that's a thing that human beings have always done for some strange reason They've always done that and the thing the thing about today is as much as we know about humans and much to access technology We have the interconnectivity that we have with each other. They're still war and no one if you had to put your money if you're a gambler on Within 10 years will there be no war on earth What kind of odds am I getting yeah, because for sure there's gonna be something popping off somewhere We're bands of chimps man.

1:07:08That's what we are the bands of chimps and chimps go to war and so do we Absolutely, but then there's also the flip side of it where there are like you know, I always tell this story because to me it's This is a story of my grandfather so my grandfather in the second world war he used to He was a master joiner which is the highest level of carpenter you could get and he used to work in a factory in Manchester On the Mosquito plants and the the fascinating thing about the Mosquito was it was the only airplane It was a fighter airplane and was made entirely out of wood Whoa, yeah, so it was because a messious mitt was very lumbering.

1:07:44It was very heavy It was a great fighter plane, but it wasn't very nimble and the Mosquito was and it was so and he was making Mosquito so he was exempt from going to war and He I think it was 1941 and he was a smart guy and he was following what was happening And he like I said he was exempt because he was part of the war for a very important part He resigned his position at the factory enlisted to go and join Had a baby my aunt Patricia who was probably around one or two years old married And he enlisted to go and fight in the war knowing for well that there was a very significant chance that he wouldn't come back Yet he risked his life because he knew that there was something more important And whilst it's we focus on the bad.

1:08:34There's also incredible people like everyday people Like that generation who just went no, this is wrong And I need to stand up and I need to do something and There is something greater than me. So there is that aspect of humanity as well That does exist, but I think people were more resilient than because life was more difficult Yeah, I think it's it's great that we've managed to make starvation Like the on one of the least of our concerns in this country at this point time, you know But Along the way, I think we've made it so easy to survive for so many people that we've got kind of lost resolve And it must have been horrible to live back then to live during the time of World War one I mean imagine how hard life was back then life was fucking hard But those are the type of people that you need if you're going to have a war We don't have that many of those now not not like that that was probably like you've seen those videos I don't know what to have, but like there's a physical fitness classes in the 1960s in America and they all look like little athletes They're all doing monkey bars of shit like everybody can everybody's working out they all look fit If you tried to have a video like that today you'd have some blue -haired slabs all down and breaking their arms How many people are resilient today?

1:10:02It's less Either there's a lot more people, but the percentage of resilient people's less Well, Jamie you might be able to look this up I think there was an article recently about the fact that the US Army's having trouble recruiting people because they're just not Physically capable. There's struggling. Yeah, you know, and that wouldn't just be the US There'll be a lot of places also the army's kind of going to woke Oh man And this is this is the thing we've been talking about right man It's like Can we just focus on what fucking works? Can we focus on what works right? I want the army to be good at killing the enemy I don't give a fuck about how diverse they are right imagine if the UFC had to have diversity Do you know what a problem that would be yeah, we had like to have a certain amount of trans Folks a certain amount of In the women's yeah, you only had like if you like you had numbers you had to do it Wouldn't it wasn't the best fighters.

1:10:54Yeah, it was just you know like who meet certain criteria This is gonna be a bunch of people to get murdered. Yeah, it's gonna get thrown in with the real ones Is gonna be a certain percentage of people that are just there because they're awesome Then a certain percentage of people that they have to hire in order to meet these DEI standards So I'm gonna Jamie can ask a favor man. Would you mind bringing up uh r a f diversity? You okay? You're gonna have the beautiful story. This is a beautiful story. Oh, I'm happy Yeah Just look up for male white a useless male white pilots look at that one up.

1:11:28Yeah, useless male white pilots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That's a quote from their from their report. They were like you know what we're not hiring anymore White men to fly planes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely don't hire the people that are the best at it No, why would you white or black or Asian? No, just don't hire white ones Royal Air Force on lawfully discriminated against white male recruits in bid to boost diversity Dude you want the best Whoever the fuck they are whether they were their white or South American or Indian or you want the best who cast No one cares you want people who fly the planes the best right only the best And this is like controversial now.

1:12:05It's a war plan. Yeah, could you imagine? Imagine if like again, it goes back to the MMA fighters Imagine if like you know like the UK had one representative that was supposed to be fighting Francis and Gano You know saying You know you have you have one person is supposed to step up and fight that guy And uh, well it says you the right move is to you know send in a non -binary woman Yeah, cuz they don't get represented in even the u .m. State like okay What the fuck are you talking about this is she's representing the UK? We need someone to compete him man, it's It comes to a point and and this is where we talk about the university campus, right?

1:12:46You can have these Demented ideas on a university campus and all they are is an exercise in intellectual masturbation when you come down to it When you break it down to its pure sense, right? And in a way that's fine. What's wrong with having stupid ideas and debating and believing it But the problem is is when you start to implement it in the real world where there is such a thing as reality Right that's when the rubber hits the road and things really start going wrong That's when things go western. That's what we're called out here Right things got western right I will say as well in I think you know we've been talking about social media I think social media is a big part of this I don't know if you've seen the graphs but basically what happens in 2013 2014 newspaper articles just start That all the social justice bullshit it just goes through the sky and not just in the US in the UK Qatar it's it's every country in the world So I think social media rewards ideas that sound good It does but it also awards echo chambers.

1:13:44Yeah, no that's that's a big part of just like we're talking about universities That you know the echo chambers on the right wing online or just like the echo chambers in the left ring Yeah, it's like it rewards that everybody looks for their favorite commenters who jump on their threads and come on on each and every one and back them up on these things And they look at all the likes and yeah Kicking ass Yeah, but my favorite story of this year and this is one that I love so much It's by a beautiful woman Joe called Eilabryce. Oh, this is a great story This I remember last time I was at your club the mothership we touched on it briefly when we when you and I were talking But this to me is the most beautiful story of a beautiful woman living her best life.

1:14:29James We're gonna need to see a photo of this beautiful woman Joe you're you know you're happily married I don't remember you bringing this up right? Well, you know this happened in Scotland. Yeah, okay? Okay, what is the story? Okay, so there's a two -time male rapist called Adam Gray convicted male rapist right and then but before he was gonna say we sent to prison he got what constant I like to call Rapid onset prison dysphoria prison up. Prison on say you put it in the line, but it's prison on said gender dysphoria Yeah, there you go. So now he's a woman in woman's prison. Yeah, they put him in a woman's prison Yeah, there's a clitoris job if you if you're wondering they're doing that in America too.

1:15:08Yeah, there's a Quite a few there's one person that identifies a woman went to jail and got two people pregnant in jail Like you're there Like what It just seems so silly and I'm as liberal as you can get but I'm the onboard with that well I'm as liberals you can get to that's what's so crazy It's like they they push it so far to cuckoo land that any Rejection of any of these outrageously stupid ideas becomes far right. Yeah, you're far right if you don't think a guy with a regular dick Who's been straight as whole life should be able to identify as a woman and go into a woman's prison and be with women like come on And this guy's a rapist.

1:15:51He's a threat. We know he's a threat. It's so crazy It's just so crazy that they'll take it all the way to prison And then you've got politicians who on the question time which is our most prestigious political debate show They had a member of the smp because this happened in Scotland So this is a member of the Scottish National Party and this smp member was asked Is Adam or is is Isla Graham male or female and you know what she responded this woman she went hit their Aripist Refused to even acknowledge that it's a male that is a man. What a weird world So weird isn't that I would have never imagined if you came to me in 2013 said Guess what's going to be a crazy subject 10 years from now Guys are just say they're women and they put them in women's presence.

1:16:44What? Come on that can't be a thing imagine if you like you had to dress up like a woman for a whole year in order for it to be Like legit Like there was a rule like you could do it But you had to dress up like a whole year so criminals just started dressing up like women You came like the thing you know like guys like the sag Like that's how they wear their pants in prison right so they like the sag It's like part of the part of the thing what if that becomes the thing like you know There's only one one to get locked up with women you got to dress like a woman all the time So you got to dress like a woman for like a whole year in order to be accepted it would be the new style of like Just people just like I'm a criminal.

1:17:21I don't go fuck. This is what I do if I get arrested at least I'm gonna get arrested with women Yeah, I mean guys are starware and dress and I'll be honest to you man I don't want to be talking about trans my fucking my whole life. I don't you have no choice. I you will comply. I know no I will comply with will freeze your bank. Oh I don't want to be talking about the ship But when this is happening what we supposed to do Would you supposed to sit down pretend it's not happening? Well if you have any opinion other than what you're supposed to have Then you're some kind of a terrible person and a transphope That's nuts because there's always room for crazy.

1:18:00You got to leave room for crazy You got to leave room for crazy in all groups of people yeah including trans people and if you don't If you try to pretend that you know you have just this group that anybody can join and that these are new rules And we're all living in Narnia now come on Come on. There's always gonna be crazy people of course the Empress fucking naked man Ampers naked as fuck and he's got a heart on Yeah, right there. Yeah, he's like I want access to the female changing Yeah, and we're like come this way mad him and you're a big it if you agree Imagine Francis and Ghana was like you know what I'm a woman.

1:18:35I wonder what percentage of like people with kids believe that versus people don't have kids Yeah, that's an interesting right yeah, because I wonder if so many like there's so many people that have idea people They don't have children they have ideas that I think You just have this Ideology that they subscribe to but with no consequences for anyone that's really young that they love and care about And then when then they have kids and then there's someone young that they love and care about you start looking at the world Is a much more dangerous place You're starting oh these people like little kids like there was some little girl guy kidnapped really recently they they found They used geo tracking of cell phones and shit and the the person's fingerprints from the ransom note And they got her back pretty quickly luckily But you know nine -year -old girl just gets kidnapped like there's there's people like that in the world And when you have children you think like that like someone could steal your kids like that's real So we could hurt your kids and someone You know could go in the locker room and watch your kid go to the bathroom because they decide that there are girl And that doesn't mean that There's not people that are legitimately trans and identify as women and that's who they are And they're not perverts and they're not creeps of course of course that exists too But you're opening the door if someone just says I'm trans I can use that restroom There's you're open the door for perverts you 100 % most certainly are this doesn't deny the existence of trans people But we have to be honest about what could possibly happen That's why if people are uncomfortable with biological males walking around female locker rooms It's because some people are liars and they're con artists and they're not really It's this person that's like been trapped in a man's body their whole life They're fucking perverts and they want to be around kids or they want to be around women They want to make them uncomfortable.

1:20:21They want people to stare at their dick while they walk around and know that they can't say anything about it That's real too. So that's real too This doesn't discount the the problem that trans people have with integrating it to society and being accepted That's real too. That's real too But you have to understand that if you just have this blanket policy Where no one can question anything about this stuff you're you're opening the door to abuse Right. Yeah, and you have a front door in your house not because you think everyone is gonna come and steal shit from your house But you know that some people will so you have to put certain things in place to protect yourself and your family It's it's the most obvious thing man.

1:20:58Well, it's just there's no screening in women's bathrooms Like you don't know whether someone's a creep you have no idea No, it's not like you know getting into a fucking A job where they do a background check on you, you know It's not like applying for some top secret position when they have to make sure that you know You're someone who could be trusted with information. No, it's like a bathroom So it could be like someone just out of jail puts on a dress goes in a women's room That mean that's what we're accepting today that that is a possibility And women that feel vulnerable in those situations are fucking terrified and rightfully so because if they do encounter something like that They get no support no one can no one will say no no one will take your side You saw what happened with that the thing that happened in Hollywood at that massage parlor.

1:21:41Oh, yeah Yeah in California, but bonkers man Someone who had a history of being a sex offender walking around Naked in the women's room they complained and then also there's protests there. It's like come on kids man going to California and we love this country as you know we traveled all around it. You should mother fucker We love it. We rule Only an American would say the bridge supposed to be all yes or what might it's not too bad Fuck yeah, we put up flags everywhere. Yeah, and I don't know right there. Yeah, I mean there's small in California The California flag is about this big You're accusing me of being right wing when I had that flag behind me.

1:22:22I'm really very flag It's cool. It says cool our piece. I love it. That used to be the backdrop and people criticized they were saying he's right wing You know right wing or now we got an American flag people think American flag is right wing God, that's all of us kids. That's the whole batch of us You know we're supposed to be in this together. Yeah, and this is you know But California man what you see I mean it's many American cities actually sadly But what you see in California people go it's like a third world country I grew up in several third world countries. I did not see that Well, you were talking about the encampments the homeless encampments, but also the crime the way the people are I mean We've driven around places where you just see people you don't even know if they're alive.

1:23:04Yeah, it's that's good drugs Just nap anywhere Let's fuck the world This potted plant Yeah, yeah, it's not good man, and I don't know how that snaps back either Yeah, I wouldn't want to be the governor imagine that Imagine being the mayor of Los Angeles or the governor of California trying to clean that mess up But somebody's got to do it Joe. It's got to be there's got to be a point now where We got where only rational people just got you know what might enough's enough for AI We just farm it off to AI. AI is your new governor It eliminates bias AI follows the rule of the law oh boy AI will just to figure out how to get rid of the homeless people They're gonna shoot one every night until they all quit Robot dogs that just gonna show up at Venice Beach and just gun one person down.

1:24:00We will be back tomorrow We will shoot one person every night until the speech is clean And then they just driving in the center of it and shoot people so it's not even just the people the outside so no one safe Tell you what TV show would get great right That's an episode of black mirror about that's you ever see that one heavy metal where the the robot dog is chasing this lady No, no, it's terrifying. It's terrifying today too when you watch those Boston dynamic videos where they show those DARPA robots. Oh, yeah All those things are so crazy They got DARPA cheetahs and shit and all these like really nutty robots are working on the to do back flips and they can do parkour Like with their making super robots and when those motherfuckers decide to reinforce the will of AI and just roam to the streets like That fucking Will Smith movie I robot We're not far away from that man.

1:24:54That might be our best bet That might be what gives us hope is that AI takes over government and they take over allocation I can't tell if you've been serious or you're joking man. I'm kind of serious I'm kind of see that's how the eliminate corruption because they're not terrified of the corporations and their money because AI will control all the Go on chat gpt and try to ask it some questions about trends. You're gonna oh boy. That is that thing is um It's a little woke. Yeah, it's a little woke. It's also it will criticize certain people but not criticize others Yeah, yeah, it's interesting it also won't say anything nice about Donald Trump Really?

1:25:27Yeah, didn't someone do something like that they tried Say say something good about Trump and why he'd make a great president I wonder what it says let's find out in real time because somebody told me that but I always wonder you know like are you using the same program Are you using the older program or the new what is now 4 .5? You know and then what they're saying is when five comes out it's gonna be and like each one of them is exponential They're more and more complex their their answers are better They can code websites and seconds they can do figure things out that you can never figure out if you had a lifetime of Studying over books figure things out instantaneously What real real close to having like full -on training wheels for life just like you don't remember phone numbers anymore Because they're all in your phone Donald Trump has a talent for engaging with and energizing his supporters his ability to connect with a large segment of American population and inspire Passionate loyalty is not worth it.

1:26:28Additionally his presidency marked a period of significant policy changes Including tax reform and criminal justice reform which had lasting impacts in the United States It's important to remember the different people a varying perspective on political figures and recognizing their positive attributes can foster constructive dialogue She going to politics man. That's great. Yeah, that's a great answer. So that's chat GPT Jamie. Yeah, that's that's a great answer Yeah, can't GPT is the right wing biggest That's why chat GPT should govern us. Yeah, see what I'm saying like it's basically just echoed what we've been saying man So what if chat GPT is that smart and what if it understands that the policies were actually effective You know the thing that really worries me about AI it's that it's going to get rid of Low skilled labor.

1:27:15Yeah, that employs a hell of a lot of people particularly a hell of a lot of men in this country I saw this great clip from Tucker Carlson where he was going, you know, we're talking about AI But AI is going to bring in driverless cars is going to bring in driverless lorries Think about however How many men in the US at the moment are employed in the driving industry? What's gonna happen when all of those men become redundant there are no jobs They're at home and he goes I'm gonna be honest with you men without direction men without jobs earning without responsibility That doesn't end well. What are we gonna do then we're gonna transition all of them Hey It's got a problem.

1:27:58It's like we've found out that men create all the problems. We're just gonna turn you into a woman Yeah, there you go problem self -crumbs This is how we instead of putting all the men in prison. We just turn all them in a woman Fantastic Well, you know what I don't have a counter -occupied to that And this is a thing that scares me is like Before I used to look before COVID I used to think of myself as pretty anti -conspiratory But during COVID and post -COVID I've realized I'm becoming more and more conspiratorial as I realize that we were that we were being light Well, they're most certainly are real conspiracies the problem is no one wants to feel stupid And you don't want to you don't want to even entertain conspiracy theories because there's dumb ones out there So you get connected to all the dumb ones, you know And you can get connected to those if you're not paying attention But there's real ones there's real and there's a lot of them and they've always existed.

1:28:59What's your favorite? Conspiracy theory I'm the favorites always the war ones because it's just so crazy that they'll just lie to get us into wars And then that it's always been a thing, you know hitler burn the Reichstag and Nero burned Rome and you know the Gulf of Tonkin incident and they were the operation north woods thing that they planned That was signed by the joint chiefs of staff and vetoed by Kennedy where they're gonna arm Cuban friendlies and have them attack Guantanamo Bay and blow up a jet liner and blame it on Cuba. They're gonna do some wild shit Try to get us to go to war with Cuba Those are the most fascinating to me because they There are a bunch of people at high level positions in the government that are conspiring to get us to go to war And this is what Eisenhower warned us about at the end of his presidency He warned about the military industrial complex.

1:29:47It was a fascinating speech and if you think about it now It's like god damn was he right? That to me is the most fascinating because it seems like there's just this machine that's always been running society But we've kind of pretended it wasn't Pretended that was in the case and pretended it wasn't this massive industry that requires war in order to feed itself That to me is the wildest one That and then UFOs The UFO won then man. I'm kind of sower on it lately really yeah because they keep talking about it And yeah the more they talk about it not show me anything and the more they You know have whistleblowers and all this the more I'm like Why do I feel like I'm being fucked with?

1:30:31Why do I feel like there's something going on? Well, why do I feel like this is a juicy distraction? Why do I feel like Because it always happens in these military areas why why do I have a feeling like you guys have developed some insane technology That people aren't aware of I mean and it might even not be a physical thing right it might be something they can project from satellites Maybe it's some sort of a hologram maybe it's uh I mean who knows what the fuck it is Maybe it is from another planet. Maybe there are interdimensional beings that occasionally visit us and they always have but that sounds But it it sounds goofy But the problem is if something as crazy as alien life visited us wouldn't it just seem fake?

1:31:19That's the other thing I tussle with I'm like wouldn't even if they really were having actual disclosure They really are having congressional hearings about whether or not these things are or hours or whether or not There's any crashed UFOs that the government has retrieved is there really a program where they retrieve crashed UFOs and back engineers Was that real? So if it is real how long has this been going on and you guys are just telling us now Why if that's real That changes everything changes everything about the way we interact with the universe That we're like little children and they're just keeping an eye on us like chimpanzee like be careful over there Don't do anything nutty Be careful.

1:31:59It's just watch them. We'll just watch them as they evolve and Eventually travel into the cosmos like all the other aliens. You know There is an argument to be said for not telling the truth have you ever heard the story of war of the world when it was broadcast on the radio And it created pandit pandemonium because people thought it was a news broadcast And you know everybody you know loads of people lost their minds I just read recently that that was really overblown and that was a lot of propaganda and a lot of that was like the narrative They put out to show the success of that radio show and that most people were aware that it was a Radio program like a fiction really yeah apparently there wasn't any suicides I thought there's a bunch of suicides people killed themselves Did when didn't we pull that up recently we did right?

1:32:48Yeah, I think Jamie found it actually There's we've always been saying that that it like created mass pandemonium in chaos but apparently Apparently that's not really accurate Have you heard this might not be accurate? Have you heard of whether one about Hitler and Stalin? Which one? Well the idea is and I this I'm not into a lot of conspiracy theories But this one I having read a lot of various historians talk about I actually genuinely think could could be Real is the idea that Stalin encouraged Hitler Supported him which he did. I mean they signed a non -aggression treaty the Soviet Union funded Germany send them grain and all sorts of other things the idea is that Stalin wanted Hitler to start a big European war so that once he was all done He could come in and sweep over the ashes Which which makes a lot of sense because the communist idea was you can't make the shit work Unless everybody gets it that was the idea of communism right you can't you can't have communism in one country You have to spread it around the world and they thought and they said this openly the communist The best way to do that is to have a world war and then you can spread their ideas as a result of that God damn people have always been crazy We've always been insane.

1:34:05Yeah, imagine someone like that's your idea like what are you gonna do today? I'm gonna go play golf with Ron white I think I'm gonna start a war so I can take over Europe right yeah, but the the terrifying thing is there's always been those dudes They're and they're all and they're always will be they're always we don't want to think they're here now But the thing is for them you could argue it's rational right how do you best secure the future of your you Can rationalize in your head? How do you best secure the future of your people? Well the best way the North America right is controlled by the United States and it's safe because of it right You have Canada to your north you have Mexico.

1:34:41These countries are all kind of in your orbit You've got them under control. You're safe What's the safest way for Russia or the Soviet Union to do that? To control the entirety of their continent And so you can rationalize anything if you're in that position I'm looking after my people is not that hard, you know We are able to rationalize the most horrific shit in our heads if we really want to yeah And we always have and we always will yeah, yeah, and we always will and we've always wanted to build empires We've been building empires from Yeah, though everybody builds empires, but do you think that is also what we're talking about earlier a part of our operating system Like there's always going to be these conquerors and then the resistance of the conquerors and through this back and forth The society evolves Yeah, and I think I sometimes think like speaking of aliens what would it be like if you look down on planet earth, right?

1:35:33What do you see if you actually look you see these bands of chimps With every fucking weapon that they could possibly invent pointed at each other That's what we are yeah That's what we are yeah Well, you know what also you'd see though you'd see if you were really objective like what does this species do They make better things yeah, that's what they do like even in Star Wars. They never made anything better Go back to like fucking Luke Skywalker like the first movie Star Wars and then to the last movie They basically have the same weapons yeah same fucking light speed capabilities same problems with their spaceships and get any better We get better constantly.

1:36:11Yeah, we're we're constantly obsessed with innovation And if you just look at the species as a whole like what is it doing? It's making better stuff Yeah, and even the things that are weird about it like like This desire for material possessions Well one of the things that does is if it facilitates consumerism can facilitate people buying things that facilitates innovation You got to sell more things to people. I got to get you to buy a new TV you already have a TV I got a better TV And this is constant whether it's computers or cars or whatever it is that we make everything's better I think and when you combine that with this new emergence of AI and when you See what's possible with like quantum computing and What they're with their projecting for the implementation of that kind of technology?

1:36:59We're looking at another life form We're like building another life form. We're gonna build an artificial life form that's way Superior to us. We're the electronic Caterpillar that is building the cocoon and we're never gonna be able to stop it because there was this document You can't stop it because there was this document that was signed. I think it was signed by Elon as well Is it requesting that there's a moratorium on AI? Yeah China's gonna sign that yeah, yeah, go ahead. Do that. Yeah, I do that. We're like it's a mad race Just like the fucking you know the trying to figure out who makes the nuclear bomb first.

1:37:34Yeah, mad race Yeah, because we know that if we don't do it other people will and then they will have the upper hand and once And once another group has the upper hand over you if you just look at history It doesn't end well for the weaker group. Yes Especially with this one with if you can make us a purer life form that can figure out how to like just think about what chap It cheapy -teak and do in terms of like the average person with no coding just instantly make a website Yeah, you could do so you can get answers to problems You instantly can get information and explain to you how to do very detailed and specific things like that That's just the beginning It's gonna be so much better than you and it's gonna make a better version of it Like really quickly.

1:38:18It's if you give it the ability to create I mean why isn't that engineerable? It seems like it could If you get engineer creativity into some super intelligent artificial thing that you've created It seems like that's what we do We just think we do all these other things because that moves us closer and closer towards this But ultimately when that does happen all that other stuff will be bullshit the pyramids the fucking Airplane the invention of the iPhone nonsense. It's all nonsense compared to this life form that we're about to make So let us get caught up in fucking whether or not A trans person should be able to play women sports or whether or not climate change is so real we need to bury trees Let's get Let's let's pay attention to what's really going on We're about to give birth to a fucking super intelligent life form It's gonna take over earth and we're either we're gonna merge with it or gonna be consumed by it Whoa, yeah, the eater robot is you've ever heard of that no the eater robot is I think this is a DARPA program as well They've developed a robot that is fueled by biological fuel like biological waste like bodies Like you do is on a battlefield and it can consume bodies What yeah, it consumes things for fuel.

1:39:37Yeah, it can consume plants I think too But the implication is when they said biological I was like oh Jesus. Yeah, when you say biological I don't think plants I think like human beings like dead bodies on a battlefield like if you have a robot that kills people and eats them And that's what how it fuels itself you don't need to charge it It just goes on whatever energy it extracts from consuming flesh I'm not an expert Joe, but I can see how this could go wrong Pull up EAT or pull up EAT or robot I think it's real dude I think it's real well that way yeah the Wikipedia said everything you were saying and then it also included chicken fat was labeled as oh Yeah, just chicken fat guys It's not dead people from some fucking bomb we dropped yeah the purpose of the energetically autonomous Tactical robot eater just the fact they call it patent pending guys Hang on for that will make a big announcement when the patent comes through project is developed and demonstrate an autonomous robot platform able to perform long range long endurance missions without the need for manual or conventional refueling Which would otherwise preclude the ability of the robot to perform such missions the system obtained this energy by Foraging engage again biologically inspired organism like energy harvesting behavior Which is the equivalent of eating it fucking eats things it can find ingest and extract energy from biomass In the environment and other organically based energy sources as well as use conventional and alternative fuels such as gasoline Hepso he did anything it eats everything gasoline heavy fuel Carossing diesel propane coal cooking oil and solar when suitable in addition to missions requiring long range long endurance ability The eater can provide direct support to combat units without requiring labor or material The justic support for refueling because it eats the bodies on the field kids I think it's great for its own energy while the unit rested or remain in position So will you like about the terminate release it in fucking eat you this is so crazy What a good idea though.

1:41:56I mean it's a good idea because otherwise like those bodies just gonna sit there What do you want to do you want to feed the wolves feed the the vultures or feed your robots and when these fucking more kids When this war for America And some I saw lifting episode of the jar And experience that how well does that that's fucking wild that is a good idea right if you were a sociopath like that's I mean if you want to make a war machine look even I know I shouldn't even say sociopath If you want to make something that saves soldiers lives How about a fucking robot robot that fights the needs bodies But it comes to the point it comes to the point right Why don't we engineer werewolves or just like that werewolves lose But you look at all of this stuff and you then go well then what's the purpose of us?

1:42:44Yeah, you know that that's the fundamental question here It because if the most important thing in life for any human being is to have a purpose whatever that purpose is Why is that though? Why is that because it gives you a reason to get up in the morning It gives you a reason to do what you do it gives you a reason to move forward The worst thing for a human being to have is no purpose to have a lack of purpose because then you feel empty and hopeless Yeah, we talk about a crisis of meaning in the West particularly I mean, that's what it is right a lot of people not having purpose and then it plays into what we're talking about earlier Which is you go on social media and you can attack somebody and that that gives you power right?

1:43:20Yeah, that is a thing that people connect themselves to they get meaning out of destroying other people Yeah, really fascinating. Yeah, because that's your ideology and your team wins justified in doing so Yeah, the person disagrees with you supports some other candidates Support some ideas you don't like because pro life is this is that And you're morally superior because they disagree with you. Yeah, you're morally superior because I forget who was talking to David Pacman someone was talking to David Pacman and they brought up this idea of If you were alive and Hitler was there was an election with Hitler And you knew that you could stop Hitler from being elected You would do whatever the fuck you could morally and that that is Often the way they portray Trump which justifies people doing everything and anything they can throw every lawsuit at his direction Don't even look at the optics of it And don't look at the possibility that you're setting a precedent and then some right -wing person including Trump If he gets an office can now do this to you The weapons you unleash will be used against you.

1:44:22Yeah, yeah, they always will be they always have been That's why generally it's good for society to have certain rules about like we don't go there We do not deperson our opponents. We do not rig elections. We are this is democracy relies on the consent of the losers The moment you lose that you're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. Yeah, and that's what's spooky is that this this Sort of thought that everyone has now or that a lot of people have now that it's one side has to win or it's all gonna fall apart But I feel like if either side wins gonna be chaos right now. We're at a boiling point. Yeah, we're at a crazy boiling point I think that this year is the calm before the storm oh Jesus son It's gonna get worse.

1:45:05Yeah, I can get better. What if they just legalize mushroom 2024 you think that's gonna I mean legalize mushrooms maybe but what if they just put up Everybody goes hey This did these mushrooms and I've got some thoughts You know maybe we're spending our fucking wheels here kids. Yeah, well we banned magic mushrooms in 2005 Even though they grow naturally so late When everybody had already figured out they were awesome. Yeah, you know, it's not like you're not doing it in 1950 you have to watch reefer madness like yeah a mushrooms too are those legal? Get rid of them now they did in this country they did it in 1970 really yeah It was to break up the anti -war movement It was essentially to break up the civil rights movement and anti -war movement What they did is they made a sweeping Group of drugs illegal schedule one and um that's also part of like what mk ultra was doing by allegedly Encouraging and training Manson you know, that's a tomo kneel book chaos Fascinating story That what they were doing was trying to stop the anti -war movement and one of the best ways is to lock all these people up for drugs Lock all these people up make everything illegal and just start locking them up Lock them up for weed lock them up for you know mushrooms Whatever they have whatever so they made all these sweeping Like illegalization something including things that weren't even psychoactive.

1:46:28Mm -hmm. They made them illegal But isn't it bizarre that the UK government made magic and by the way that was a that was a left -wing government That was a labor government. It was a left government. They made magic mushrooms illegal in 2005 And magic mushrooms grow in every field in the UK Well, how does that work? Yeah, well so the poppies grow naturally too right and that's heroin But you literally pick a mushroom you dry it or you can eat it fresh Yeah, you eat it fresh. Yeah, and then you it will it will it will create a psychoactive And it might be the source of many religious experiences might it might be the source of many many stories that people have had about I mean, this is like so much ancient religious artwork that centers around mushrooms Including all the old depictions of Christmas all the old depictions of Christmas involved that amonita muscaria mushroom and elves All of them and that's a psychoactive mushroom That's the mushroom that John Marco Allegro wrote about when he wrote that book the sacred mushroom in the cross He was a guy who deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls he worked on them for 14 years and it was his conclusion afterwards He wrote a book about it called the sacred mushroom in the cross His conclusion was that the entire Christian religion was probably a misunderstanding and what it was really originally all about was fertility rituals and mushroom rituals was about the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms that brought you to God and fertility rituals Because having children back then was like it was imperative like everybody died You know everybody fucking died nobody lived got an infection dead broky leg dead So hard hard times back then and so It's probably the root of so many religious experiences It's the they'd believe that's the root the root of the ilusinian mysteries that's Brian Murr or rescue's book The immortality key where these people would travel to elusis and and partake in this ritual where they drank wine Where now they know for sure those wine vessels they've now tested them and found that they have ergod in them So these people were tripping balls they've opened up a field of study at Harvard about this now You know another thing that I find really interesting is as our society becomes more godless and we become more secular We've started to embrace things like ayahuasca as experiences Because there is still that deep rooted need within us to have a psychedelic slash religious experience We need it we crave it.

1:48:53Yeah, we crave it. That's also the root of wokeness I think that's it's very much religious You know and I think also right -wing Authoritarianism too. I think it's very much almost like a religious thing So like they they believe there's only one ideology There's only one way and that weighs the right way in the good way and there's there's a lot of like mark anddrisin Lated out that it's very much like a cult and that there's a separation They take you away from people who disagree take you away from your family isolate you There's people are cats cats The cast out of the group if they violate any of these very rigid principles and It's a lot of fear a lot of fear involved in it's very aggressive People that are involved in a very aggressive a very aggressive in enforcing their ideas on other people And wanting other people to comply with their ideas much like proselytizing.

1:49:45Yeah, and there's a very active disinterest in truth Yeah, very active and that that is a very cult -like thing man It's like yeah Because it's hard to form a cult around the truth because truth is complicated. It's shades of grades It's it's you're not gonna get the exact true You know you're working at it we can sit and have a long conversation and we disagree and agree Well, what about if I just gave you the way this is what you do this is what you say with this is what you believe This is what you follow right and if you don't we cast you out so don't don't be that guy You don't want to be that guy you don't want to be right yeah Absolutely done because that into where hide wire to think that the moment where that guy we get extra diverted from the tribe We're done.

1:50:26We're dead in the savannah. You will that was it you're over You know, there's there's some research that says that that's why almost everybody has a fear of public speaking Because historically in in the ancestral environment if you were in front of a group of your peers And they were all silent That was usually not a good place to be and if you had explained yourself to them You had to speak to them you fucked up. Yeah, yeah, we're coming to tell me about that I was like oh, that completely makes sense. Yeah, that completely makes sense. It's why dying on your roses Any public shame yeah, I think that happens to you in front of people losing something in front of people Well, they get to cheer that you lost Oh, man painful.

1:51:09Yeah, painful for people But the thing is there's weird thing about when you do comedy and you do die It actually isn't as bad as you thought at the same time. Do you know what I mean? Oh that depends I've seen some oh man. I've been a part of some horrible bombings. Oh man, especially early in my career They still wake up in the middle and I go Jesus Yeah, yeah, it's just but you know what it is is because everybody can talk So why should you be able to talk you're not doing something like really special like playing guitar that I can't do You're not juggling you're not doing something extraordinary that I'm I know I can't do yeah So if I go see someone play guitar.

1:51:46It's awesome. I can't play guitar at all. So it's cool to watch I can talk you can talk everyone can talk so everybody watches someone talk that sucks at it and go this sucks I could do better than this guy. Yeah, so everybody has that moment in their life where they've been funny Everybody said that one zanger that one time yeah, everybody talks about it. I'm wondering how that Bob Yeah, yeah, every now and then you catch the lightning in a bottle. Yeah, but to be able to do it on stage You know, it's it's a tricky thing because it seems like you're just talking But there's a lot going on. That's very complicated.

1:52:19You're you're it's hypnosis in a way You're hypnotizing people. Yeah, you're dragging them into the way you think about things if you do it well If you they enjoy it, they're having a good time. It's one of the most rewarding experiences both as an audience member and as a comedian But the other side of that is if you fucking eat shit up there I would say bombing on stage is like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother I think somewhere out there is a guy who wants to suck a thousand dicks in front of his mom You know someone out there going you watching mom 99 Just like There's at least he's probably been on your mom's house Yeah, there's one crazy guy out there that is probably into that yeah, but no one's in the bombing on stage Yeah, no, no, no, I'm excited about your club man.

1:53:07Francis was telling me all about it Hey, you were saying how you really worked out the design of it so that you know You're a comedian who's built a comedy club. There's got to be amazing. Yeah, we're real lucky too though We're real lucky that we got this this spot the rich theater. There was like the perfect place It's like almost like it is supposed to be there Everything just like when we walked into the room. We're like oh my god. This is like this is it like this is This is perfect because the perfect size like everything in this two rooms like oh my god This is perfect like we had to make some changes in shit like we raised the floor and lower the ceiling and did some a lot to the sound and all that stuff and Change all the seating everything like that and built a new stage, but the bones of it were perfect Like the structure that was available to build it and was perfect for this idea of just just having a place It's like even the big room is still real intimate.

1:53:56It's still like it's fun And it's all super positive people working there and super happy people everybody's getting paid well Everybody's having a good time and it's just like a real good energy Like it just feels good when you get there because everybody's kind of trying to do the same thing And the people that are going there are trying to do this. They're just trying to have fun everyone's just trying to have fun Yeah, so if you can create especially with everything so fucking cookie right now like people are so excited It's just blow off steam. Yeah, yeah It's it's a special place and it's not I mean the building and the the environment.

1:54:30It's all great It's all perfect But that to me is on what makes it special to me what makes it special is Wherever I go is a comedian when you gigs at a comedy club the comedian is always the afterthought It's the only comedy comedy club that I've ever been to where it's the comedian who is at the foremost It's what the place where the comedy is respected and that is unique man because Unfortunately with practically every other comedy club with the exception of a certain few The comedian is always the last person Yeah, because they build it as a business. That's why They make money I built it as a place for comedy.

1:55:11I genuinely The design and the idea behind it was just make the best place for comedy Just I just took the same attitude that I do with all other things. I just applied it to that Like what's the best way to do it was the best way for the art form the the best way for the art forms That a lot of open mics. So we have open mics Sunday and Monday the Employees the door people are all comics. They audition for the job with their act and they're all happy to be there And there's a real path to being a professional. They see it laid out in front of them with kill Tony They see it laid out in front of them with the showcase nights and all the clubs that are also in Austin that are blowing up There's like the sunset room that's right down the street from us.

1:55:50There's the Vulcan There's Creek in the cave. Those are all within like a really quick walking distance So door people can punch out and go do a set and come back Like they can say hey, we got I got a 9 p .m. Set of the creek. Okay, cool. Just punch out They punch out they go down the street for 15 minutes. They come right back and they go back to work again And they also can get spots on the showcase nights They can get spots on the open mic nights they get spots around town. There's road gigs You can go to they go to road gigs together You know, and it's like they see this path where you see guys like David Lucas and Hans Kim and William Montgomery have gone from Exactly where they are to being touring professionals who are headlining in clubs and making a great living and having fun Doing the thing they love to do so there's a path Because before it was like you kind of had to figure out your own path You know, and you got to kind of hope that someone would hire you to do the road and you would hope that a comedian would take you on the road with There's still some of that to some extent, but it's clearer now And you get to like you know, you get to see like Mike Vettill was there this weekend You get to see Andrew Schultz was here a couple weekends ago Tim Dylan's coming up.

1:56:56They just announced his show You know, this like Chappelle stops by when he's in town It's like you get to see as a person who's like coming up in comedy you get to see all these great comics So gurus there all the time, you know Brian Simpson just recorded a special there. It's a beautiful environment That's so exciting man And it's got to be one of the best things about being in your position is being able to create things that you enjoy But give opportunities to other people and create a space for other people to succeed. That's awesome man That's so awesome. It's really cool to be able to do yeah because it's um I know it's you know If I'm not gonna do it, who's gonna do it?

1:57:33Like it's like that's that's my role. That's like the spot. I was in Especially moving to Austin. There there wasn't a cup city had been closed down So there wasn't like a big comedy club. There's a couple low there was a scene. You know, there's a good good local comics It's a good area It's always been good for comedy. There's always been like good comics that have come out of of Houston and Austin Bill Hicks well, no, yeah Bill Hicks I think he came out of here. Yes, we started. I think it didn't in Houston too. Yeah, but You know um, it's just it's a good place Yeah, and I think you're making an impact on the broader culture as well because other people see what's possible You're creating a space that's free that's uncensored unrestricted.

1:58:14That's super awesome man It's also the cornerstone of the comedy community is the show kill Tony because kill Tony is a spot where people who maybe have some of them Never done stand up in their whole life They go up and they do one minute Yeah, and if they kill it can make their fucking career one Solid minute and some of them been doing comedy eight nine years Yeah, and you know they get their hat They're pulled their their name out of the hat they go up there and if they kill if they really meant and so you have a minute When you have a minute If they cut out all the bullshit you have to it's got to be like concise It's got to be sharp.

1:58:47It's got to get to the funny right away and it can't be full of virtue in bullshit You can't you can't be woke you can't you can't have a story about being a victim You have to fucking just be funny. You only have a minute And so that is a great cornerstone and the show is so wild and so crazy such a no -goal show It's so chaotic and it's fucking huge now They just sold out the HB arena in town for a new year show and they were they added a second show So they added a second night because there were so many tickets that were sold Fucking podcast is selling out two 15 ,000 C to rena's you know nuts You know well I went to watch Kill Tony well last time I was here and I have never seen the energy that was in that room Like you could use it to power like cities.

1:59:36I've never seen it. I could feel Yeah, that energy that is in that room from the from the audience and then like the symbiotic relationship with the comedians and the audience It's so powerful. I've never seen anything like that. Yeah, when Tony and Red Band moved here was huge Yeah, it was gigantic because that was a big cornerstone of the comedy community in LA as well You know, just in Austin it really came to life though In Austin it really got way more popular and way bigger And just it's just fucking it's just great the guests are great post Malone was on with me a couple weeks ago Flare was on the other day.

2:00:13I saw the red flare one that was a trip the protect our parks guys are on there all the time It's like it's always got great great shows and Tony's the master. Yeah, he's so good at running that show He's the fastest like with like a one liner than I've never seen anybody like in my life He's the best I've ever seen It's like people don't know go watch those episodes. He's a fucking animal It's so good and there's a wilderness to it. Yeah, it's and that's we live in a world which is ever more sanitized where people have to watch what they say Is that people are now watching what they think they think that go I can't think I would You can sometimes you have a conversation you can even see people Self -sensoring their thoughts as you're having a conversation But that's not an accident because when you control people's speech you control what they can think you have to be able to speak To think that's how we think right by saying things out loud This is why censorship is such a problem man because when you speak you you say some dumb shit We all do and then someone goes well hold on have you thought about this right and then you correct and you were just But if you prevent people from saying anything out loud they can't think properly and that's what we're seeing There's another thing that people should probably consider that's helped me greatly I don't think that my ideas are me.

2:01:27I think they are ideas. I am not married to them They are not a part of my body. They're they're just a thing and I'm bounced around my head and I can be wrong And if I can be wrong doesn't make me a lesser person And I think a lot of people equate being wrong with being lesser There's an intellectual competition when two people are disagreeing about ideas and the ability to say oh, I see your point Is not a weakness? It's a strength massive strength. It's a massive strength to be able to recognize someone's argument and go Okay, I see where you're going. Okay, that makes sense and when people can't do that It's very frustrating for people and look you can get a large audience of people if you can't do that You still can there's a lot of people that are just happy to jump into that Echo kitty pool and piss all over each other.

2:02:13They love it But it's not good for anybody. No, it's not good for all of us collectively You shouldn't do it and you're only doing it because it's a trick. It's an ego trick I think I think fear plays a large factor as well Joe. I think yeah, I just think people are scared man Most people there's a very famous quote, you know People most people most men live their lives in a state of quiet desperation people at the row yeah People a terrified and they're just so terrified that they're going to say or do the wrong thing Yeah, partner's going to leave them the kids are going to hate them all of these things in their entire world and everything that they've strived for so long to build this tiny little kingdom if they step out of line everything is going to crumble and most people are Living checked to check.

2:02:56Yeah, so that fear is even more like if you were not talking about the person who has a billion dollars Like why he's still working like look that's Elon Musk. Why is he so wild? He's wild because he's got 228 billion dollars Like if he's not going to be wild who the fuck is right But the fact that he's willing to do that and and he's so I think it's so I mean he's my friend. Yeah, I'm kissing his ass But I think he's fucking massively important cultural figure right now and he's often Moined and labeled as being alt -right Is he right all time? No, he's wrong sometimes. He's like yeah He he remember he tweeted that thing about the the guy who broke into Paul Pelosi's house Like you know like there was some Controversy about whether or not you know the that story made any sense like maybe this guy was already there like people were implying that maybe Paul Pelosi had like an affair with this guy or something.

2:03:48There was a lot of crazy theories that were bouncing around No, and then we saw the video knows a fucking crazy person with a hammer that broke into the guy's house but The ability to just find out to talk about stuff even if you're wrong Like that's real important and but the ability to know when you're wrong too and to be able to admit that's important too Like all of it's important It's important we gotta be able to work this out and you're gonna get people to say the wrong things when you when you're allowing people to just freely speak and think in real time without doing any fucking research sometimes You know, there's a lot of people to spouse ideas on on on Twitter or X or whatever they're not They haven't looked into this very much.

2:04:26Yeah, this is their belief and they're gonna spit it out there And then they're gonna start defending it. They're gonna yell at you and call you a fucking simp and you know You know that's okay too like that has to take place. Yeah This is the most liberating and fulfilling thing for us. I think doing what we do it. We have the freedom to speak yeah In public and discuss things and be wrong and be corrected and move on from that and grow as people That's that's the beauty of of what we do man. It's such a it's amazing that it exists That's why I feel so strongly about it needed to it needing protection it needing to be preserved because without that We're heading in the wrong direction.

2:05:04It's an integral part of our society whether you're on the right or the left It's important. It's important for everybody. It's important for everybody to be fair It's really important. It's important to be fair and to be and to just like try to think of ourselves as a community We really are supposed to be that. Yeah, even the people that snuck in I Mean my my grandparents basically snuck in I mean they came over when it was easy. It just happened about you get over here sign a piece of paper and you're in They don't do much of anything, you know, it's like not that much different other than they were pretty gangster because they didn't have YouTube They just took a chance that America was a good spot to be but You you got we got to think of it as a community if we don't think of it as a community There's no point in this calling this a country like that now it's just nuts Now it's just like it's only a community if you win It's only a community for your people.

2:05:57It's only it's only good for the people that agree with your side of things That's fucking nuts and we need wild people This is to go back to the watching kill Tony kill Tony is wild and to me as somebody who has been We obviously grew up spent time in the UK and that everything has become more and more sanitized It was kind of like a cold slap around the face. I was up. Whoa What's happening here? I remember the first time you guys came to the vault Yeah, yeah, before we were able to open up the club and you're like mate That's a good impression of you guys could get away with you Bigger is a hunger for it here too.

2:06:32There's a hunger for it everywhere, man The truth is everybody wants that freedom everybody. Yeah There's but there's a real like there's a recognition here that something cool is going on Yeah, because like Austin has become a major comedy scene. It's like it's a big comedy scene now It's a big deal, you know, yeah, and we have the other copy cap city opened up too Which is in domain which is real close to here too and it's all world class talent every weekend That's great for us to it's great for everybody. They have two rooms over there too I haven't been but I've heard it's a great club So it's it's great for everybody and so the the Austin community recognize it and we got all this crazy Comedy tourism people are flying here from all over the world to come to these shows.

2:07:10Yeah I'm Tony Tony asked all the time like how many people have come from somewhere else who came from the furthest people like come from Australia Just for the show of come from England have come from France have come from Denmark like the whole audience Fill with people to come from all over the place. It's beautiful, man When we started doing live shows where I'm done a few for a while for Trig and Ommetry But that's what we found people flying over from America to London to see us on stage with Andrew Doyle or someone like that Just talking. Yeah, so there's a hunger people have a real hunger for fun and for people who have Who have good ideas people that they want to hear talk about stuff and enriches their perspective of the world and I think that That's a very valuable thing whether you're on the right or the left I think we need to think about it just as a overall species the human species values interaction Values honest interaction.

2:08:01It's important for us We need to be able to do it all the time as the only way we're going to sort things out But we should do it with some principles and one of those principles I think that I've adopted I've tried very hard to adopt is I'm not my ideas Yeah, they're not me. There are things that I explore and I try to explore them with as much humility as I can and out some of them I fucking lock on do I'm like this seems pretty goddamn clear and if you disagree with me I'd love to hear your point. I'd love to hear your position of why you disagree But don't bullshit me like come to me from a real place and have you really Assess this have you really looked at this accurately if you look like this historically like historically What if people very similar to this done?

2:08:42What are we talking about here? And we need wild people you know, we're sanitizing culture to the point where the maverick the person who is a little bit Cookie the person who is you we would describe as a little bit out there Those are the people who change culture as well the people who see things in a completely different way We still love that we love our stars, right? That's those who are rock stars those were the comedians Those were the people are like oh, I mean he said it. I can't believe he said it But you know but we love that because we get to live our life for carelessly through those people It's so cathartic like I remember the first time I went like my friend A couple of comedians one of my mates went to me right you've got to go and see this guy called Bill Burr And this was like in 2014 and he was playing the Leicester Square Theatre I think you played it as well Joe back in the day It's a little 400 seat theater and I remember watching this guy and I'm like like number one This is the funniest thing I think I've ever seen and number two like I can't believe he's saying this stuff like what Why is no one coming to shut this down?

2:09:43What? That's the British response Why is no one shutting this down? Where's the council? You know, why is it's not regulated? But it's it's important. It's why we love sports. It's like we love boxing. It's like we love why we love UFC It's why you know hot air maverick that is a star Yeah, you need wild people. You need it look. I'm a big fan of wild people. Oh man. Yeah So like half my friends. Yeah, and you know you there's something you said last time we were here They really changed the way I think about it all and remember I asked you about Teddy Atlas and how that conversation went And how you felt about somebody saying something about a friend of yours that was not complimentary and and the thing you said was like The first thing is you have to let the person say their thing they have to let them express themselves And That is just so simple but so profound In the current culture you've got to let people speak You got to people always think you're supposed to push back immediately I always at Very the very beginning of any kind of wacky conversation where I think someone's off the rails or I don't agree with them Or I'm or I'm willing to think in the way they think I'll open myself up.

2:10:53Okay. Tell me how you think about this You gotta let them lay it all out. It's gotta You can't if you interrupt if you jump in when I had Bobby Kennedy on it was the first time in 18 years Anybody let them talk like that Everybody always push back everybody's felt like I have to stop you I have to say studies would disagree. I have to say what you're saying is not true. I have to say No vaccines have been the most important invention and I have to say let the guy talk let them talk Yeah, then try to figure out how we got to that spot. Yeah, where what what is it about the way you see things It's different than the way I see things and what do you know that I don't know And if you can't do that You're not gonna have real conversations with people you're never gonna know what they really think You're always gonna just be battling with them and you see that there's a lot of these talk show hosts online Well, not even necessarily online but on television Particularly because they have such a short format.

2:11:44You can kind of steamroll somebody And they just start the conversation and jump in and insult them and jump in and reject what they're saying and jump in and get louder and jump in And then before you know the segments over and someone's got a zinger or two that they've already prepared And they say that the problem with people like you Boom we'll be back It's just so limited. It's a limited way of communicating. We all know it's limited. It's not good That's why I'm so excited about new media. I think it's a real opportunity to start to change that You know with trigonometry we're increasingly thinking about it as trigum media in terms of bringing other people We're gonna start a show with Winston Marshall and Andrew Doyle and me on the channel We're gonna do being doing more comedy and stuff like that.

2:12:31That's great. Yeah, he'd be expanding So there's a hunger for it. You know, there's a hunger for intelligent conversations people People you agree with and disagree with and you know, that's how you find out about stuff I mean, I remember those conversate one of the things that I used to really love watching is these debates like when Christopher Hitchens was alive when he would debate religious people And Sam Harris as well they debate these we're fascinating watching people get their ideas shattered By a more brilliant mind. Yeah, it's like that those are so important and no one's doing that anymore These kind of convert they're they're just so at these ideas are So controversial and toxic now some of the things that a less or so controversial That people don't even want to discuss them.

2:13:20They just want to walk away. It's third rail I don't want to be a part of that and let me ask you something Joe about the new atheist because there's a lot of people I wrote an article my sub -cycle the atheism delusion and there's a lot of people now talking about having that Idea hasn't really worked out in the sense of once you take away religion once you take away people's we talked about it earlier People need religious experiences, right? I wonder whether part of the problems that we are facing it is is the lack of it the the criticisms that they were making were legitimate But where we've ended up doesn't seem to me to be a good place and then you get we talked about this earlier the woke Ideology coming in it almost feels like a replacement for what we had before do you know what I mean?

2:13:59Yeah, it becomes very much like religion in a lot of ways. Do you remember atheism plus? No, that was the thing they were trying for a little while some factions were trying where it was atheism plus a series of like ethical and moral guidelines So it was like atheism it wasn't just atheism it was atheism plus Like a lot of like very woke ideologies, but particularly at the time they weren't calling it woke It was like progressive ideology they were to and then I'm like oh, okay religion. So you guys have like rules You're gonna you're gonna have you it's not deities. It's a moral high ground.

2:14:36It's you know It's instead of a god you have a set of ideals that can't be questioned Yeah, you know we interviewed Dawkins a couple of months ago and one of my favorite ever conversations and you know What a brilliant man what a brilliant mind and Well, we were talking with him and and I was I said to him but people need religion rich because the reality is we're all gonna die That is a reality that is the harsh and brutal reality of human existence We're born and we shall die But the idea of death to the vast majority of people and understandably so is so terrifying that it's him that it's impossible to Intellectualize it's impossible to accept so I think the vast majority of people need religion.

2:15:25They just need it Well people need something something Yeah, and that's why you're seeing the ayahuasca rituals come like a replacement in a lot of ways for religion But you know, honestly a better one Well, I know a lot of people that have gotten like some profound changes from psychedelic experiences have done correctly with the right intent and the right setting You can't deny them whether it's psilocybin or DMT or with these experiences that people have had with legitimately changed as a human being. I don't think that they should be ignored You know, and I think that denying those from people That's not good for anybody either It's it's not good to deny people.

2:16:06They're right to practice religion There's not good to tell people that the way they're living is wrong Live your way live your way and if someone wants to live with religion as long as they're not imposing that on other people And that's of course where the big problem is yeah, that's where there's laws they get put in place You know, and then you know the certain restrictions on certain parts of the population whether it's homosexuality or women or Now we're dealing with problems. We're dealing with control issues. Yeah, you know and If If you say that there's no need for religion well, but all the people that benefit from it Right seems like a lot of people get real meaning from religion is that how could that be a bad thing Seems like it's only a bad thing when if they're imposing on other people They're forcing other people to give into their will and it's like that with workness like I'm like be woke If you want just don't make other people do it, you know It's like people are allowed to think whatever the the land to think but let me ask you something because I think all three of us are non -believers Is that fair?

2:17:07I think I'm a non -believer. No, I had a a psychedelic experience and January this year I took a like I did the full thing like I kind of I had a shaman and like I had did it like a mushroom ceremony in my house and We did we did the mushroom trip and then he the guy administered this kind this tobacco which they use in the The native native native people using South America's a tobacco you put up the nose I don't know what it is. I remember when it happened when he did it the first hit I didn't get anything from it I just felt uncomfortable he put the second hit up my nose Everything went black.

2:17:51I just saw these orange kind of squiggles in front of me And then I just felt myself like sinking backwards and I like I had no control over my body and I was Lying back and I had I and I remember at one point I kind of thought this is what dying is this is what it means to literally die And I and I panicked halfway through and I remember sitting up and trying to sit up and then whatever it was just smacked me back down and one of the parts of me that I I'm not proud of is a kind of sort of the press development to my personality and going oh this is fucking bullshit I want to die or whatever you know what I mean And it kind of like you always had that negative side to well you're gonna experience death mother fucker You know you're actually gonna experience what it is to die and Having gone through that and and having experienced that it It made me realize I don't know why either there's no way of intellectualizing it.

2:18:48There's no way of seeing it but just I know there is a god, but it's so beyond our capabilities to understand what it is that it's kind of Pointless to talk about you know what I mean? I think One of the things that I've gotten out of psyched out of experiences is that there's An inescapable connection that we have with each other yes in that the energy that we put out good or bad ripples and creates positive or negative reactions all throughout Everything you experience whether you want to believe that or not when you want to believe you're immune to that Well, you're doing coke and fucking stealing money from the hedge fund You're you're you're putting out an inescapable negative reaction and that the more Good you can do and the less you can do that the better you will be in life and That it should be a practice that you should practice trying to put out the least amount of negative energy.

2:19:49Yes least amount of conflict The least amount of bullshit the least amount of Where you could take the high -rotake it take it always there's a way to do it Find a way to communicate with people even people you don't disagree with with respect and dignity And it'll be better for everybody you both walk away feeling better Even if you don't agree with each other on something But so many people are so invested in conflict. They're so invested in that and it made me realize like that's just like a negative Trap just a feedback loop that will play out for your whole life if you don't stop it if you don't correct it inside of of your being and just Commit to no longer doing that if you don't do that you're you're gonna constantly be involved in conflict And we know people that are constantly involved in conflict.

2:20:41We know people like that. There are always always always something wrong There's always something always something chaotic with them or what they're doing and what they're who's doing something to them And they're doing this to that person and it's like It's a waste It's a giant waste. It's a it's a energy management problem. It's a It's a It's a sort of a sole problem. It's a direction problem. It's like you're just you're on the wrong path And you don't have to be yeah I suppose non -believers probably the wrong term. I guess what I was gonna ask you Joe is how do you think about death Well, it's inevitable.

2:21:18It's interesting right everyone I always say this that everyone wants to go to sleep But no one wants to die. Yeah, it's weird It's weird. You're looking to shut off as long as you know you can come back. Yeah, because you need it. We all do it It's Whatever it is I'd just be talking out of my ass if I said I knew And that's part of the problems that it's so unknown that so many people talk out of their ass And then they want to believe that the person who they agree with is correct And so like this is what happens to you in the kingdom of heaven like bitch. How do you know? How do you know you don't know you just guessing you might be right You might be right imagine if you go to heaven and fucking say Peter's there with a big book You run the list like what?

2:22:02There's a really dudes with robes and like oh my god angels are real cherubs flying around like little babies with fucking wings like wow Okay, it's real Would that be any weirder than earth? Would it be any weirder than human beings? Would it be weirder than Twitter be able to communicate a lot less with and Twitter But what I mean is timing with people in the other side of the world what I mean is how do you think about the inevitable the inevitability of your own death Something I'm thinking about and having children changes how you think about it for me at least Well, there's a certain amount of things in this world that are out of your control And if you concentrate on things that are out of your control, you're fucked and if you I mean that is the epitome of existential angst right?

2:22:46constantly worrying about your own demise It's gonna happen and that's part of the the wildness of the puzzle of life Is that you know it's gonna happen and you have to be able to somehow accept that and also appreciate life right now because if you were dead Or imagine if you're on your deathbed and you know, this is your last gasps of air If I had something that I could give you and all of a sudden you'd be 39 again And all of a sudden you'd be doing a podcast again And also need to see your wife again and see your children again and see your friends again and go to the places where all the people you love go You would be so happy you'd be so happy to be there like oh my god another I got another shot at this And we don't often think that way no, we really should appreciate the moment as corny and fucking spiritual guru wouldn't be You know as that sounds We really should appreciate the moment and It's a matter of managing your mind to the point where you could do that consistently and that's was hard It's hard to do that you know that I think We're kind of living together in a group now the trigger team and you know people are on the you got a cult Yeah, yeah, it's a good cult.

2:24:00It's one of the good ones That's how they all say that yeah, that's my point. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah But you know and uh, we're not actually living together We used to but Constantine's little boys there and it's so wonderful man It's just so because you're living with a person you know he's 14 16 months around 16 months and You're living with someone who exists purely in the moment. There's no agenda. Right. There's no like all but if I say this and I do this Then maybe he might like we which means I can there's just like I remember there was one instance where I was on my phone And I was trying to sort something out.

2:24:40I was frustrated and he totalled up to me And he had like a little plastic cup and he just went like that and gave it to me and at that moment like Everything disappeared. It didn't matter though. I was upset about they were frustrated because to him all that mattered Was him giving me something and saying here you go This is from me to you and it was like it was just like love Like pure it was just the most beautiful thing that one single moment He's one of the interact with you. Yeah. Yeah. He's a cutie. Yeah Um, I'm working on on on my on the second book and there's gonna be something to do with gratitude because you nailed it man You got we this is one of the things that I think is missing in our society is we don't appreciate what we have Can we hold that thought I have to piece over?

2:25:24Yeah, let's hold that thought right. Yeah, can we all pee?

2:25:29Yeah Yeah We're back What the fuck were we talking about gratitude? Yeah, yeah, yeah sounds again. It's one of those hippie things They've they've taken over that word. Yeah, you know, it's like the word god like a lot of people the word guys like oh come on What it you know, but what does it mean to you? You don't know hippie thing, man. It's a real human thing Mm -hmm everybody needs it gratitude is positive energy. It's like appreciating things So hard for people to do and again, it's like it's a mental management issue So many people haven't been Given the tools to to be able to do that or the moments in life where you have to Sort of cultivate that yeah, yeah, yeah, it's easier for us, man because You know, we started our show in a room above a comedy club with nothing like we had less than nothing We didn't have any cameras.

2:26:28We didn't have any microphones. We didn't have any money. We didn't have any profile We didn't know any followers. We literally had nothing and Every day now we just we we just experience it as it sounds Hippie and bullshit and whatever, but it's true. Every day is a blessing, man. It really really is you know This is I think what Again, this is partly the trip that I did Just made me realize man like everything is connection like the what we all crave at its most basic is connection Yeah, that's what we that's what we all crave we crave connection We crave to be around people to share ideas to be heard to be listened to to feel love to give love And that's why like you see social media is is the ultimate Contrick in a way because it's going you're more than connected more connected than ever But you see it when you see like a couple and they're going for a day or whatever else and that they're both on their phones And they've both got their head down And you go you're not Connecting you're not having a discussion which is why our show works and why your show works Because it's connection and that's it's it's a beautiful thing and to connect with another human being and to share to listen to share experiences To and to play yeah, it's it's but it's life and I think the other thing that's cool is like people get to listen your show and Have conversations.

2:27:50They they're kind of a part of this conversation. They get to go back and forth with it And they don't have anybody in their life. They could have that conversation with So is that they have access to these conversations that you have with these people And through that they get a enhanced perspective of things So maybe they're in a place where there is no one like these people that you're talking to and they get to listen and go oh Well, maybe the way I'm looking at things is narrow minded or maybe the way I'm looking at things is Flavored by all the people around me and I've just sort of accepted that as my own ideas Maybe I don't agree with them.

2:28:23Maybe I'm more in line with the way you guys think or maybe I'm more in line with the way you guess things and it's a As weird as it sounds like you're enriching people's experiences as a human being through doing that Yeah, and we reach ourselves for us From day one man every conversation. It's a privilege to be I mean in your case even more so you've got some of the most amazing people in the world Coming in here and sitting down for three four five hours whatever it is And you get to pick their brain and have a connection and a conversation it's it's the most amazing thing Pretty wild. Yeah, and again, totally unexpected just like you guys have started out with a laptop Yeah, yeah hanging out doing stuff on a webcam.

2:29:03I friend Brian And then it went from there and you know the beautiful thing about this show is that you humanize people You humanize people because in the world of media and Celebrity and they that what they do is a paint two dimensional pictures of people You know Joe Rogan is this Mike Tyson is this that is that is that and then you listen to the person you go I want you what I've been painted is bullshit. It's a two -dimensional representation which actually doesn't reflect One eye out of who they truly are as a human being Some people just accept it for what they hear but the good thing about the negative Perspectives that people have is it forces other people to listen doesn't force them it It Entices them to listen.

2:29:53Yeah, yeah, and Tyson is a good because they're like what is this crazy shit? Yeah, like what's going on there? Yeah, and then listen go oh, it's a reasonable conversation. It's just Going against what's the the narrative that you have to say and the the way you have to talk and that if you don't think that way you're some extremist some far right or far as far that or fucking proud boy or whatever you are yeah, yeah It's so easy to label people like that. So easy to dismiss him entirely So using label and like that and I think about this a lot because you know Even our perceptions like who Joe Rogan is or who constant in our Francis is it for most people It's it's it's a snippet of some information that they saw Different people saw different snippets So if that if you were arguing about who was Francis Foster will our perspectives are gonna be so different because we've got different experiences So I remember and this it was so crazy a friend of ours had a girlfriend who was very smart very interested She's kind of into the stuff that we talk about and whatever and we were at a party somewhere and she was saying oh You were just on Joe Rogan isn't he all right?

2:30:58And I was like okay, what let's unpack that what do you mean right? You know how I can go when I disagree with somebody, but I just held back and I was just like let's find out what you're talking And what it came down to is you're a masculine guy who's got muscles and tattoos Oh, that's what all right. That's what all right means That's hilarious right I think Francis is right when you take the time to be with people then you get to see a lot more of the human being Yeah, and hopefully we're doing that Yeah, and more people should do it too. Yeah, so I try to deal with your friends You know, I think it's you know, I love watching all these podcasts that emerge or people just starting it out Just trying it in some of them so I'd suck two of the beginning.

2:31:42Oh, we all day You could bring up I mean photos of us. I mean particularly photos of me when we just started out all my sweet lord But The I remember because I've been listening to show my don't skip over them and the transformation the new sense We've started. I've been fucking amazing. Yeah, inspiring to watch to be honest in every way. Yeah, it's been beautiful Yeah, and it's you know working like transformation in your mind. Do we think about things? The transformation in my mind The transformation in my body, but but also it's it's all that fat shame That's a word. Yeah, I mean, it really does it works you can look at a picture of me.

2:32:20Yeah, it's probably shouldn't do it No, it works for men. Yeah, it works. Yeah, maybe not for women. Doesn't work on burglar. Sure But I will say this man. It's like When I was I remember listening to one of your interviews with Mike Tyson where he was talking about DMT and how it changed who he was and how there was a Mike Tyson before the empty There was a Mike Tyson after DMT and he said that he looks back and he doesn't like the guy he used to be He goes that person scares me that person was wild that person was out of control I don't ever want to go back to being that person and I thought to myself How beautiful man that you get to be part of somebody's redemption arc of somebody going You know what I wasn't a very good person.

2:33:10I was very damaged and for whatever reason I did things that I'm not proud of but now I'm trying to be better And if you think about it man Imagine you you look back and you don't think that right how have you spent your life? Yeah, you're not better than you were 30 years ago, right? No, I don't care how good you were 30 years ago. You could still be better today Mike Tyson's arc is one of the most fascinating right because he was such a destroyer I mean he got all of his love and all of his attention from Smashing people like literally separating human beings from their consciousness in front of the world And he was that he I mean look I'm a huge boxing fan and you can look at all of these you know the great side the phrases the Arles You know the Joe Lewis is all you know all of these people But I would say that with Tyson with early early Tyson he was the most Exciting fighter.

2:34:03Oh, yeah, you just the moment there was a fight with Tyson Everyone was watching they were like executions Was it the knockout you think that that was really the thing there was the threat of the knockouts the knockouts the the menacing Image that he presented would come in with a towel around his neck and nothing else the black shorts black shorts Smashing people just so dedicated to this one thing being the greatest heavyweight of all time And it's also as well man like you know You know every boxer every fighter has got a nickname and some of them are more appropriate than others He called himself the baddest man on the planet and at his peak he was the baddest man.

2:34:43There was no UFC back then Oh man You know there was no no one could take him down. Yeah You know you just you don't and like I said before you know you took you had an interview with him You humanized him you made him you be to me he became not Mike Tyson this avatar the baddest man on the planet What he did he became a human being and it also enriched me because then I was like I really want to do psychedelics because I want that that insight that he has had about himself Yeah, and that process I want to go on that journey now Yeah, it's helped me yeah help me tremendously. I was speaking of the UFC Joe I am so gutted that we're not gonna see John Jones versus Francis and Ghana.

2:35:31We might still see it. You think we will I think it happened You never know we never know, but that is that's got to be the greatest fight that hasn't happened in the UFC history right? Yeah Now that's the big one that would have been the big one But you know Francis is gonna have this boxing match with Tyson Fury. Yeah, what do you think that goes? Yeah I mean Tyson Fury is one of the greatest if not the greatest heavyweight of all time. Mm -hmm. He's so good He's so slick his footwork his movement the way sets traps and catches people He's so clever. He's so skilled He's been unstoppable as a heavyweight boxer Francis is a big powerful knockout artist.

2:36:10That's undeniable, but You know the advantage obviously goes to Tyson Fury. It's his sport He's the best one of the best if not the best ever at his sport. Yeah, he's so fucking good And he's so clever Comes it all fat and everything and makes fun of it and takes his shirt off and and still beats the shit out of everybody And he's skilled isn't he super skilled? He's skilled like a smaller man and he's enormous He's so Fleet on his feet his footwork his movements. He's such a good boxer man. He's such a good boxer that you get You know Francis has got to catch him with a big punch and he's got to be able to figure out how to do that like how do you Catch a guy who's been boxing his whole life against all the the greats in boxing guys are the best boxers ever That said Francis I believe if when he was a young man if he had just gone into boxing and not in MMA Like if someone had found him when he was like mic tyson's age when mic tyson was 13 and trained Francis like your Custom on it would found Francis Francis is a terrifying specimen He's so big and he's so powerful.

2:37:18He's the greatest one -punch knockout artist I've ever seen the heavyweight division The stuff that he does the way he takes people out the way he knocked out aster over him and came the last guys and all It's just like he hits you. You're a fucked You're but that's with little gloves right you see you have to take into account the gloves are bigger You got to take into account. It's only boxing So the footwork and the movement is gonna be different and he's fighting a master You know if you can connect who fucking knows? You know, it is the quintessential puncher's chance But you would have to if you look at the betting odds they must be enormously enticing Furious favorite like what are the betting odds online for this fight?

2:37:55Let's take a guess I mean five to one six to one seven to one something like that maybe more Let's take a guess. What do you think there? I mean the thing is with Tyson as well is that he comes from a gypsy background And as someone who has taught gypsy kids they get taught how to box from the age of four to five It's It's part of their culture and their and their other part. I remember when he got He could we'll come remember which fight I was working at a radio station at the time and we were doing overnight So I watched I think it was the first while the fight may have been the second Do you remember when he got knocked down everyone went that he's dead?

2:38:28And then he got back up and then why don't I can't believe he got back up gypsy boys are trained You never ever back down from a fight you keep going until they are done or you were done that is it He didn't just get up. He got up and won the rest of the round He got up like the undertaker and then won the rest of the round and then it figured out That's the way to fight the ontae wilder to put him on his heels Yeah, then came in the second fight and beat him down and then the third fight got clipped in the third fight by a punch That probably takes out 99 .99 % of all the people have ever lived and somehow another he survived it from the guy Was the biggest one punch knockout artist in the history of boxing Deontae wilder puts everyone to sleep.

2:39:10Yeah, he's just shuts dudes lights off with one shot black He does it to everybody everybody you see guys get hit and they're like what the fuck happened He's such a brutal puncher and if you re -survive that survive that in the first fight Survived in the second fight survives in the third fight Well, this is what I was gonna ask you because if it's a punches chance the question is How does And gone and compare power wise to like a doodoo deontae wilder we really won't know We really won't know until we see him hit a boxer with the big gloves on We know deontae deontae hits anybody they go out except Tyson furies the only one is a bit able to survive it With then that fight you could see with the wilder walk away He thought he was he thought fury was done.

2:39:53He thought he was done when he hits him like that Yeah, the Lewis Ortiz fight you ever see that fight? No, he hits him on the right hand on the forehead Just blap and Ortiz is on the ground like like he got shot like he has no idea what the fuck? Watch it here find that deontae wilder knocks out uh loose Ortiz and loose Ortiz is from the Cuban Olympic program. Yeah, loose Ortiz a phenomenal boxer I think Ortiz is probably ahead on the scorecards because Ortiz is a great boxer probably close But he might have been ahead on the scorecards and deontae just blap one shot The way he knocks people out too.

2:40:28It's just like You think of flying so he's got magic in his hands He's not the biggest guy in the world. He's very tall and long But it's just the torque and the fucking the speed and power behind his shots It's like nobody in the history of the division even Tyson Tyson not guys out with a barrage of punches usually except like Michael spinks And you know, I mean even Larry Holmes you drop Larry before he knocked him out Deontae just catches guys with one shot So They're boxing here and watch when the one punch knockout comes So he's already got him hurt. Yeah boom boom Is that after he's dropped or was he dropped before that?

2:41:14No, I think he gets up I think the rational thing to do this to stay down Just the power this dude has is just so crazy You know the one that gives me nice second time they fought Jamie. I wasn't I don't think that was the right KO Yeah, I think they fought twice Matt typed in KO and those those are the two fights that pop Dude, whoa crazy The Brazil fight crazy power. I mean his power is just That's round one of 12 I mean Deontae is like nobody else He his fucking power so ridiculous And he's so long Yeah, that was wild. Oh my oh my Stavurn was the first guy to ever go the distance with him. I think in the first fight in the second fight he's put his light He's Oh, how is just extraordinary man look at that He's like you know, so Ken Francis punch like that.

2:42:24I don't you know, we're gonna find out The I don't know you know, I mean, it's like when you look at him move and you'll get Tyson if you're in move like wow That's an uphill battle. Yeah, but what is the odds? Yeah, I was gonna go 10 to one Joe It's I found two two different sites. It's uh If you're in Ghana is plus seven 25 Seven one. Yeah, you were right Yeah, and that's you know It probably will go up and the fight comes you know more people start betting on Tyson fury Yeah, this one has in Ghana just a little bit lower, but Fury is the same Yeah, 1100 But John Johns man, I would so love to see that five particularly when we saw what happened with Cyril gone Because you look at Cyril gone you go this guy moves so well for a big guy so skilled so talented and he was It was over Cake walk.

2:43:17Yeah, no one else can do that to see oh gone here. Here it is. This is the Lewis or T's fight. I'm fighting. Okay, watch this boom One shot one shot. That's the one I'm talking about. Oh man. Oh god So you can't on twice. Oh man. This this one was just one shot to the forehead on our T's was like whoa daddy watch this again Right here. Oh, is this the highlight? Yeah, this is I just backed up too far Oh It was a good fight up into this moment too Here comes Whoo see you get a hint yeah, our T's was scoring on a man. I'm telling you it was a good fight There it is oh my there it is one shot Oh Come on son.

2:44:15That guy budget is so hard. Oh man. So can Francis punch like that We don't know you know, we really don't know until he boxes can he can deliver it can he deliver it on someone's chin Because Deonte doesn't just hit that hard. He delivers those shots on guys like Tyson Fury. Yeah, you know, he delivers those shots on everybody You know, it's a it's a not -pill battle. He's a scary guy though, man. Yeah Francis is scary dude. He's big He's 265 naturally shredded So what is he what he said? He was walking around 275. It's 275 -280 This is walking around because he doesn't have to make the UFC's weight limit He off -season weight limit was 265 So he had to be 265 fighting the UFC It looked like he was chiseled out of granite.

2:44:58He's a perfect athlete for fighting tall big long crazy power And intelligent he figures out how to get better, you know You got so much better from the first debate fight to the second fight. Oh, yeah There's no comparisons. It's a completely different guy patient calculated technical You know, then the knockout punts that he hits deep it with The jazinha rosin strike knockout gives me nightmares. Yeah, that was crazy He's 290 to 293. Wow. Wow. So he weighs two Vulcan off skis He's enormous, but you know, can he deliver that power and the betting odds say no But are you a fan of the crossover fights?

2:45:38Yeah, I'm a fan of guys like Francis making a shitload of money Sure, I'm a fan of let's see Yeah, I'm a fan of craziness, you know Like if Jake Paul decides to fight canelo Alvarez. I'm gonna watch crazy. Yeah, they really do that. That's good. That's crazy I'm a fan of I'm a fan of these kind of opportunities for fighters like for a guy like Conor McGregor when you fought Floyd Mayweather, you know What made a hundred million dollars I'm a fan of that. Yeah, I'm a fan of those guys being able to do something like that with a making extraordinary amount of money doing something like that This isn't my argument, but it is the purest argument that There's some these crossover fights are you know, demeaning to the noble art of boxing You know, the boxing is it's a sport.

2:46:23It's an art form You know, it's it's taking away from fighters who have dedicated their whole lives to this noble art You know what I mean that that that argument yeah It's fun. Yeah, it's yeah, but also it's fun. It's fun fun to watch that fight It's fun. It's fun to fact that the heavyweight champion the UFC who you know Retired as a heavyweight or left left the UFC as a champion is gonna get to box the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time with zero professional boxing fights Let's say I mean, it's kind of like the Conor McGregor fight. Let's see You know and real similar in the the talent that they're facing You know when Conor McGregor fought Floyd May with their Floyd May with his Arguably the best boxer of all time I mean the most defensively sound boxer in the history of the sport like the guy literally is only been hit hard like three or four times His whole career.

2:47:18I mean, especially when when he really became like the great Floyd Mayweather like he was just out boxing everybody Canelo Alvarez man he packed you out everybody got it everybody got it Ricky Hatton everybody He beat the fuck out of everybody. He's the man the Floyd's the man like 50 and O That's the guy. I mean if you if you're gonna have an all -time great It's hard to argue that's not that guy Because he's the guy that got away from the sport with the least amount of damage the most amount of money And he's also been able to sustain himself doing these exhibition fights for crazy amounts of money where the people literally have no chance Literally have no chance and in these boxing these folks No, fly him over to Japan, you know when he had that fight over there with the this kickboxer He it's what he's doing is pretty wild And you know what Francis and Gano and Tyson Fure are gonna do.

2:48:12That's pretty wild too. Yeah, I mean you have to watch that right? Oh, yeah Where are you happy it's happening though? Yeah, just no ballard of boxing shit shut the fuck up That's where it's completely corrupt. Yeah, I look you're absolutely right I sometimes think the reason may whether it doesn't get his dues is because He ain't that likeable. It was an individual. You know what I mean? I think it was also less exciting than you know Mike Tyson type of thing in terms of watching as a spectator It's both of those things are fair to say you know, but also that's also how he got people to watch He got people to watch by rooting against him.

2:48:47Yes, you know he he you know when he first started out He was pretty boy Floyd. It's a different mayweather, you know, he was pretty boy Floyd and they became money mayweather That's when like more people started watching and the more shitty talked and the more he showed you as diamond crusted watches and Rolls -roises and the more people wanted them to lose and the more he kept winning. Yeah, he became the heel Amazing smart. Yeah, super smart in terms of marketing. I mean come on man It ensured a large audience of people that were tuning in just to watch him lose. Yeah You want us you want to see if that winning streak is going to get broken right or but you also want to see someone to beat him because it's so cocky Yeah, I'm tired of this cocky champion If we whenever there's a cocky champion people like want to see him Just good knock him off his high horse.

2:49:34So people are tuning in just to see that. Yeah, genius Yeah, but it was interesting you said you still think John Jones versus Francis and Garnett could happen I get happened. Yeah. Why do you say that Joe? Well because Francis has his contract with the pfl Let's say fights out his contract would say fights Tyson Fury and then he fights out his contract And then at the end of the contract the UFC offers him a giant chunk of money to fight John Jones So let's say of John Jones fight steep A Who knows who wins that fight right and then Maybe if he wins John Jones fight surge surge Pavlovich who's a very scary guy who's coming through the ranks There's not a lot of really Tom Aspenall is very promising.

2:50:16He's really good. Very guy. He's really fucking good Tom Aspenall is really good. He has a potential to be in all time great You watch Tom Aspenall's movement for a heavyweight his diversity in his skill set leg kicks missions He's fucking super intelligent fast as fuck. He's big naturally big guy Super dedicated to the game Tom Aspenall has a real shot. So maybe it's Tom Aspenall So may and depending if but if John Jones wins all those and Francis wins in the pfl and then leaves And then they could have another fight and that would be bonkers That'll be bonkers You want to see that man. Oh, yeah, well, I want to see that I was very upset that he was leaving the UFC because I wanted to see that fight But also very happy that he's gonna get this giant payday.

2:51:02I don't know how much money they say he's gonna make Are they saying? I've seen his Sorry Tyson signed that other side or fight against usick that he's gonna make over a hundred million for both of those but I haven't seen Yeah, so Yeah, Tyson very so wild he decided he's gonna book another fight like he's like this fight's gonna be so easy I'm gonna book another one a couple months later Wow talk about a cocky champion. Hey man. That's the gypsy king, you know, it's this barogative. He's the fucking king A hundred percent man. Yeah, that's that's also a fight that I really really wanted to see the sick fight Sports Illustrated says minimum of ten But that's you know, yeah, not sure how accurate that is Is that saying that it's the bigger payout than the entire person is that he's totaled from UFC Click on the link or is this the same reporter receive entire Entire UFC career.

2:51:52Whoa for Tyson Fury Boxing that makes sense for him. You can see you can see that Yeah, he's such you know John Jones to me is such a fascinating character Because when I watch your interview with him and he talked about contrition and wanting to be a better man I'm like I believe them every second of the way and then you look his behavior afterwards and he's still just as wild Just as crazy you don't get a guy who's that good without him being a wild motherfucker John's wild he's wild inside the ring. He's wild in his belief in himself. He's a wild fella I mean that dude opened up his fight against Mauricio Shogun who are with a flying knee at 22 years old against a legend Catches him with a flying knee just beats the brakes off of a legend at 22 years old and wins the title He's an extraordinary talent just extraordinarily good comes from Those whole family super athletes both both of his brothers playing the NFL.

2:52:49Mm -hmm. They're both killers It's just like that guy's the man, you know, and That fight against him him against Francis him coming up from light heavyweight and Francis being this enormous like terrifying force at heavyweight Who fucking knows what happens? Oh, man. I would so love to see that fight. I hope it happens man I really really I hope it's not one of those things where we always go I know you know what would be and the boxing is really bad for this and this part of is what maybe Fall out of a love of boxing for a bit which is When the fight does happen they're both past their peak They're not the same fighters.

2:53:30Do you know what I mean eventually? I don't want it to be that either right like man He packed him in front of Floyd. Yeah, to me that was the one of the biggest disappointments in sport Unfortunately, man he went into that fight injured. Yeah, man he had a torn shoulder Going up to that fight unfortunately, but Floyd was very clever and when he chose that fight He chose that fight after man he got knocked out by one of my mom Marcus You know remember that one punch crazy knockout where it was really bad where Freddie roach said I don't want you to do anything for a year like no fighting for a year So you got to recover from this one remember that knockout.

2:54:05I don't actually what google one man Well mark as knocks out mani pack you out because they had fought some really close fights and I think Well, I think mani won them. I don't know What was one of draw? I don't forget I forget what the previous fights were but I think this was the third fight and mani pack you out Got clip right here watch this the perfect right hand Oh And he's coming in as well as he gets here perfect timing perfect one punch KO out cold And this was the I think this was the end of their trilogy. Oh, it's four. This is the fourth fight they had Oh my god, I mean that is literally the perfect punch And mani just went out cold with one shot And did you listen to Freddie roach?

2:54:53Did he take a year? Yes, he did yes, he did I think came a little well, but I was well a knockout like that is so bad like you have to You that's a one punch Completely unconscious massive concussion And that's a massive knockout. That's a rare knockout at that level You know when you're watching guys. They're that good get you know There's there's some fights in the past you could see a guy gets knocked out with one punch like that Tommy herons versus Roberto Durand. That's one like that. Yeah, where Tommy herons had Roberto Durand in trouble And then clipped him with the perfect right hand Roberto Durand Faceplants and you when you watch him Roberto Durand faceplants like what it's hard to believe the guy will be Sugar Ray Leonard like one of the greatest boxers of all time and Tommy just catches him with a perfect right hand That's the thing with those with those guys man the power they unleash one of my my dad used to drink with a guy called Dilemento who was a former mid -white champion the world British guy and he fought and this was in the late 70s early 80s I think he fought he was world champion.

2:55:55He fought Haggler and he told my dad He goes you have never when he when he hit me. I've never felt anything like that I know it was monster. Yeah, it was a destroyer. Yeah, he really was he was like one of the first really elite fighters that fought so well from both Stances whether it's South power orthodox he could fight you from either stance He could you know and he he fuck guys up like that because he's switched dances and be just as good So you're looking at two different looks like the jab coming from the right hand the jab coming from the left hand You have to adjust and maybe you only stand one way and he can he can fucking switch it up anytime he wants He's unstoppable and he only got knocked down one time his whole career and it was bullshit He got knocked down by one roll down.

2:56:36It wasn't real knockout knockdown rather they called it a knockdown But we really just got knocked off balance and they called it a knockdown He fell down. You got clubbed in the back of the head and he went down and his gloves touched the ground They called it a knockout the knockdown rather and you got up and he's like what the fuck? And he went out to knock out roll down but Speaking of British guys Joe Patty the body versus Tony Ferguson. Yeah, it's good. It's good fight in terms of like you know, Tony Ferguson's been on an unsuccessful streak and Patty the baddie had that controversial fight with Jared Gordon It's a good fight.

2:57:11It's a good fight for for both guys because like you know, patty's the guy coming up and Tony is the legend And so it's a real crossroads fight and for Tony May very well be his last fight in the UFC if he loses it's that's that's you know fair to speculate A lot of people have been calling for him to step down to stop fighting His last few fights haven't gone that well. Well, it was really started out with him hurting his knee Yeah, you know, and then he came back after that and beat pettis Which was pretty extraordinary, but then when he had that gachi fight the gachi fight was rough Yeah, that was rough painful to watch as well, and I love Tony Ferguson The fact that could be never happened that was That was such a bummer That was one of the all -time bombers when he tore his knee backstage just tripping on a wire Just fucking some Unforeseen accident guy gets through entire training camp no problems trips on a fucking wire and rips his knee crazy need surgery Just nuts But in terms of patty do you think you bet on the young guy coming up?

2:58:13Oh who knows man Tony still has a lot in the tank. He looked good You know in his last fight against uh to get against Bobby green Bobby green is just so fast such a good striker so on orthodox You know, I think Tony still has something left, you know Whether he's got enough to beat a guy like that. That's what makes it exciting because it's a good challenge for patty It's a good fight for Tony in terms of you know Where he stands because you know patty hasn't fought like the elite of the elite that division yet, you know the camera It's the you know the these guys that are you know challenging soon for a world title because there's a few of these guys out there that are just like Super high level guys and patty is like, you know, he's making his way up towards those guys And this is a big step.

2:58:59Well, Fizzi of that will happen against camera. It was so disappointing Such a bummer man because Fizzi is so good. He's such a good striker That's that that was one of the most impressive just engage your performances that he out struck Fizzi You know that was that was a really impressive performance and then the dust the dust and poya if I was incredible Yeah The fact that happened in Salt Lake City and it's a mirror image of the Leon Edwards come on Usman knockout in Salt Lake City Crazy headkick knockouts in the world title That Leon Edwards fight was so crazy. I almost turned it off towards the end because I was all this is over You know Yeah, the greatest call in the history of sports John Anik says that is not the cloth from which he is cut and then boom He lands that headkick because they were talking about him like phoning it in from now You're just just trying to survive and accepting his defeat John Anik says that and then he lands a perfect headkick right afterwards But Nana's he doesn't really get the credit that he deserves Leon.

2:59:56Oh Leon Edwards. Yeah. No Leon Edwards I think he's getting it now. I think the Camaro Usman rematch is showed, you know that Camaro You know was very cautious about engaging. It was like a different fight than the first fight Also, it's take down defenses on point is getting way better grappling which showed in the first Um Camaro Usman fight because he took Camaro down which is crazy nobody saw that coming mounted him Everybody's like whoa, this is crazy. This is the first round of this fight. Leon's good man He's so technical his striking is so smooth like him hitting the pads He's like one of the most impressive guys have ever seen hit the pads His flow like between elbows punches and kicks.

3:00:36It's just everything is perfect technique Snap pop pop snap pop stop stop stop stop It's beautiful to watch and you add that with take down defense and and experience and now the confidence that comes up being a champion who He's fucking good. How much does that change things because I think in a lot of things confidence and the knowledge that you've achieved something changes everything Well, they're all very skillful at that level and everybody has a strong mind at that level, but you know like Being a champion is there's a there aura that comes from the champions that you have to overcome like when people Fuck could be they weren't just fighting the champion They weren't just fighting could be never gonna matter off in his skills They were fighting this fucking force that they knew they were gonna face that nobody else has been able to know He's been able to do anything to him Except glacing to you about that was a very close fight But other than that like he's steamroll and everybody he's fucking everybody up And you know it and you know it and you're you're facing this guy's undefeated and he just seems to be getting better with every fight There's there's an aura of those guys that you have to overcome as well as beating them You have to overcome this aura and everybody thinks you have no chance You're going into this fucking battleground with this guy who's like the most feared warrior in your division Guys been able to dominate the division like see You have to overcome that and Leon is now becoming that he's become you know When he beat come out of the second time everybody's like oh boy Okay, and then if he can beat Colby Covey 10 Who that's a big one.

3:02:11That's an exciting fight. That's a big one. That's a big one because Colby puts that fucking pressure on you He's got it empty. I mean an endless gas tank endless He's like an energizer bunny. Just doesn't stop cardio so good. It's wrestling so good He's just constant and he just stays in your face. He just drains you. He just drains people Camaro's been the only guy's been able to figure that out There's some people have gotten aura about them That it's undeniable and whatever sport it is at the moment they step on to the field or into the ring There's just something about them that is undeniable.

3:02:44Yeah, and you just go I don't know even if you don't know who the person is you imagine you immediately drawn to them Yeah, well, that's also one of the things that's exciting About the sport is that there there are those people that just get to this spot Where they just rise above to the point where like you know, like you can't wait to watch like Volcanovsky Can't wait to watch and perform again like damn he's he's on it right now. Yeah, I guys on it You know interested in silver when he's in his prime is like that John Jones when he's the light heavyweight champion was like that You know, it's like damn Guys on it like he's in that zone where like the greatness lies You know, it's not just Being the best in world, but handily defeating anybody who dares challenge him Yeah, when we had done hardy on we asked him what it was like to go into the fight against George Sampia And I think he said something like he kind of I don't remember exactly what he said But he kind of hinted that you know, you're aware of the fact that this guy is you know at that level.

3:03:43Yeah, yeah Crazy sport man. It's the most primal I love it. I love talking about the need for wild people Does the only way you get a sport like that? Yeah Yeah, wild people man. Well, you know, I think in some ways the rise of the UFC Obviously, you know, Dana Wyand his team have done a great job and it's a fascinating sport But I think partly it's like as the culture gets crucified people are crying out for something wild like that And they want to watch that. Yeah, you know In the world that's getting softer and less resilient as we talked about earlier You want to see that shit? Yeah, there's that.

3:04:17That's why people like fights and hockey People like Watching rugby and football. Yeah, they still like a little chaos some some aggressive energy Yeah, they like men being men. Yeah, they like men going to war It's why like you know when you watch New Zealand rugby team they're all black so they do the hacker before they play It's the war don't so scary. Yeah, the ock is a little awesome. Yeah, I love it. It's so awesome. Yeah Yeah, I wonder you know what this means for our our society You know like the fact that these two things are happening at the same time that there is this this blowback where people do still want to watch Wild crazy things.

3:04:59They still want to hear wild crazy things And then there's this push towards Anodering of masculine energy and the term toxic male energy and You know this idea that anything masculine is inherently negative and it's so crazy man It's so dangerous because if you're telling young boys. Oh, yeah, that they are inherently Evil and wrong and dangerous Then you're essentially alienating a very dangerous section of society number one and number two Somebody's gonna step in and go hey, you know what they think you're bad, right? So why don't we Yeah, you're fucking damaged and Jordan Jordan coming along was a healthy version of a response right saying to men be responsible take accountability Go and create things go and be the strongest man at your father's funeral all that that was healthy Now we're also getting a lot of the less healthy Responses as well in terms of you know people who are becoming big in that space.

3:06:00I feel well You're always gonna get people you know and people don't feel represented. Yeah, yep That's when when you when you're saying that everything that they like and everything that they are is just negative no matter what They don't feel represented when someone comes along and challenges that even if that person's a grifter you Latch on to that. Yeah, because when you make certain arguments beyond the pale and those arguments have merit and value And but you're not allowed to say those arguments anymore. It gives them an appeal It gives them an appeal number one and number two You were going to get someone from outside the mainstream coming along and going Yeah, they're talking nonsense to you and here's the truth and it is true and that's magnetic I wonder what's gonna happen with this you know There's clearly when you see what's going on with Canada with the podcast thing Trying to get people to register their podcast.

3:06:54I think there's a crazy fine too for violating it Was I think that fine might be something crazy like $250 ,000 or something? It's like a very high fine. See what the fine is for violating the rules But when you you get stuff like that When you It's I wonder what's gonna prevail? What is gonna prevail is free discourse and free speech gonna prevail or are we gonna go full Comby or we gonna go full censorship? Because if we do if we cross a line where you really can silence people you cross if we cross a line We can use dirty tricks and tactics to eliminate anybody that doesn't think the way you think and whether it's through censoring them on social media or You know with their intelligence agency step in and tell you to remove posts because they you know They go against the narrative that the the government is trying to push like that is fucking scary Well, I think the thing you didn't hit the nail on the head Francis earlier when you were talking about how they're changing the concept of safety That's what we have to push back against because there's this idea if you hear opinions you don't like of people are talking in a way that you don't like That makes you unsafe, right and we have to say that is fucking bullshit Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.

3:08:08We have to say that And that's that's to me because all they do is they redefine the word and then they weaponize it against you Yeah, the words are violence and of course you're against violence right right? Yeah, but It's bad no one knows sport and violence But here's the thing you can only make the argument the words of violence if you've never been punched in the face right right a lot of people And a lot of people could benefit from that Well, my fear is that a real war breaks out And that's my fear my fear is that we are beating the drums of a real war a real war involving superpowers and a real war Involving involving technology beyond our comprehension including hypersonic missiles They can change direction in air and you can't track on you don't know where they're going You know you can't do anything to shoot them out of the sky They're just moving too fast.

3:08:58Yeah, and they hit cities boom Bum bum bum bum and then we're fucked You know and then you're I mean, I don't even know if it helps to have masculine men then I don't know if it helped what helps If you can get to a point where you can debilitated confident a country's infrastructure kill their power grid You know remove them from the internet remove their ability to communicate with each other. That's not that I mean, that's totally believable. That's not an impossible scenario Where precise strikes even if they just decided not to kill everybody They just decided to destroy the power grid and destroy the infrastructure and kill the internet and kill the pipelines We can look what they did with the Nord Stream pipeline Okay, but what if they decide to do that with all kinds of gas and oil pipelines?

3:09:45What if they decide to do that and you know shut down Power plants and shut I mean and do so in a way that we're left powerless. We have nothing What are we gonna do when it rises up against who? Like they literally starve you out like they'll shut down the infrastructure of the country How would the country work if there's no power? You know, I mean how long do we have if ever the whole the country if the the whole grid gets wiped out Let's just imagine an attack even it's just some sort of a calm very complicated cyber attack that wipes out the whole grid How long can we survive with no power?

3:10:24You know, it's with the grid's very vulnerable. The Texas almost lost its grid here because it got too cold Came that close Came that close to because we're independent from the rest of the country in terms of the grid if the Texas grid It was like they were very close to like losing everything It's like how many people die then it's fucking freezing cold. No one has a fireplace anymore Yeah, how many they don't even let you build a house with it like a real wood fireplace in a lot of places I know in California you can't so If it's cold you're fucked like you're gonna freeze to death People were freezing to death like that can happen the power goes out and you fucking freeze to death That's a reality of life in 2023 You know, and it's also as well, you know, we've all become de -skilled as a population.

3:11:09Oh, yeah, you know We're so you know, where we're so dependent on this technology Like think if you went time traveling right and you went back a thousand years and people go to you Well, what's going on and you'd be like we've got all this amazing stuff. We do this. Oh, yeah How does it work? I'd be like I don't know. I just switch it on and it works right. Yeah, I just do a podcast If you left me alone in Ireland with all the books that have ever been written for a million years I'd never figure out how to make the internet right yeah, you know, yeah What you can do what 5G was that mean satellites?

3:11:45What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, I have to fly a metal piece High enough in the sky that it's weightless It just spins around the earth what Yeah, and we all take this stuff for granted as well. We're all like oh, yeah This is just normal. This is entirely normal and this is just our society And this is how what I was born into and this is always going to be this way Well, look we're victims of our own success right because we've built these amazing things and they're good things to have right having a power grid as good But we've got to also be smart and one of the things we're finally starting to realize at least in the UK Where we went super crazy on the SNED zero stuff is you have to produce your own energy You have to have control of that otherwise where you're buying it from who are you buying it from and what are they going to do to use the fact that you're buying the energy from them against you Yeah, and it's there's so many problems There's so many problems with just the way human beings acquire minerals that need to go into cell phones The the the the cobalt problem Like the fact that everybody's phone has this Element in it that comes from people literally digging it out of the ground in mines that are working in like the most horrible conditions imaginable and that has been documented And lithium to yep lithium to I mean a lot of the lithium that actually we need is in eastern Ukraine So one of the reasons that that shit is going on I think it was going to be the second biggest producer of lithium in the world after China.

3:13:12You sound like conspiracy theorists Yeah Just tune in the CNBC and shut your brain off. Yeah, man. Yeah, but yeah The the net zero stuff actually scares me because it's it's well climate change is is kind of a cult in and of itself Yeah, you know because that's also a thing where people aren't willing to listen at all to people with opposing viewpoints And then if you do you are now a climate denier Just like how if you were kind of like hey, what's going on with these mRNA vaccines? Oh your anti -vax like oh what What happened there? How did you sneak that in like what he's saying? Yeah, like if you are curious about whether or not all this stuff that you're offering up as a solution is actually Willing is that actually going to be effective if everybody stops eating meat how much does that change and what are you going to do about China and India and then they're output And what how much the CO2 is actually in the atmosphere and how much do you need in the atmosphere?

3:14:08Is there a certain amount you need? What percentage are we above what we used to be and it turns out it's like It's like 0 .04 is what we are now and we used to be 0 .03 and at 0 .02 plant life starts to die Because not enough carbon dioxide It's like what percentage of of that is human beings that's a good question and What percentage of it is the rest of the world and what percentage of it? Are we going to save by ruining everything here in the western world? Right well so in the UK we have this obsession about net zero and I'm like okay, let's get our emissions down to zero Let's say Britain produces no carbon emissions at all and the ones that we outsource abroad That's 2 % of global carbon emissions you just fucked our country to make no difference whatsoever to the problem Well the big the big polluter or the big contributor to the biggest by far is China and India yeah, they're the two biggest And they're going to keep doing it Which they are seems like what we need to do I mean this sounds very simple from a moron like myself But it is invited in during China.

3:15:13They need to figure out technologies to clean the yeah And that doesn't seem impossible in fact there was there was some talk of a giant skyscraper that acted as an air filter And that they were going to install remember those Jamie Yeah, see if you find that there's talk of construction. It might have been in China We they were going to build these Essentially skyscrapers that were really just giant air filters and that instead of a skyscraper that housed you know office buildings or people Actually housed equipment that just sucked pollution out of the air and filtered it And you're like, hmm, maybe that would maybe that's it.

3:15:51Maybe that would work Maybe you can actually capture there it is the skyscraper sized air purifiers the world's tallest wow So what if they just had those on every block or had those you know every you know x amount of blocks Where they figured out a way to clean the air Okay, it can reduce pollution in a major metropolitan areas by 20 % for example if if we can not oh I'm sorry, sorry, sorry I like to tell my students we don't need to be medical doctors to save lives Dr. David Pooey Professor of Mechanical Engineering University of Minnesota and one of the researchers So if they could just reduce air pollution by 20 % for example, we could save tens of thousands of lives a year Yeah, so this seems like it's about air pollution But you're point about China and India Joe so right because I was talking to an Indian dude and he he told me the time of partition This is 1947 when India became independent average life expectancy in India Jamie fact check me if you could please, but I think it was 37 years Right fast forward to today.

3:16:51It's over 80 you think those people are gonna give up burning shit to Live longer you think they're gonna do that because I don't think they will I don't think the Chinese are gonna stop making stuff and producing stuff and burning stuff Well, the people have a say over there in China. That's true. Yeah, but it's a big part of it Right, like there's not gonna be some movement against the government I've checked both I've checked both that zero plan. Yeah to reach net zero missions by 2060 the report estimates China needs between US 14 to 17 trillion in addition to investments for green infrastructure and technology And the power and transport sectors alone Seems like quite a lot of money to me.

3:17:30Yeah Okay, so says ggging ping said since September 2020 when China's president gging ping made the pledge to reach net zero by 2060 The country's ministers and locales have been mobilized devise decarbonization road maps for their jurisdictions Maybe they can do that maybe they can I mean, maybe there's technologies that either haven't been implemented or just theoretical where they can figure out a way to Clean it up without destroying their economy You know, and that might be possible. I don't know But it's certain that human beings are having an effect. I mean the like specifically with pollution And not just that not just the air we certainly should be looking at carbon dioxide and certainly should be looking at humans impact We should also be looking at what the fuck we're doing in the ocean.

3:18:16Yeah, we're killing the ocean We're filling it up with garbage and literally killing most of the species We were we were just talking about the other day that there's they don't really know what the real numbers are But they think it's estimated that we've killed somewhere in the neighborhood of like 80 to 90 percent of the fish Yeah, I what? Just scoop and fish out and killing everything and Giant fucking country sized floating garbage islands, you know like what? I mean the the island of the Pacific garbage patch is bigger than Texas Texas is bigger than multiple European countries And that patch of garbage is bigger than that.

3:18:54Yeah, you know The thing that I find really really the moralizing about this debate is that the fact that the complete lack of critical thinking skills People on the left therefore they think this people on the right they think this I know I'm not going to mention this person saying they came on your pod and they were like well I think you know, it doesn't exist climate change and and that person thought that way I think a lot of it is because they were on the right, you know So they see the way the tribe moves they move with the tribe instead of actually taking every issue Looking at it themselves doing the reading doing the work and then going well This is what I think regardless of this tribal that tribe yeah Yeah, you if you're on the left you think climate change is imperative if you're on the right you're probably more dismissive of it You know Certainly we should really look at nuclear power.

3:19:36Yeah nuclear power seems to be the cleanest way to do this And it's safe in relative it's safe. It's uh I always make this joke It's not Well you say that but actually if you look at the casualties from nuclear disasters There's only been three major ones right long island three mile island Chernobyl and Fukushima if you look at the the stats and you add it all up It nuclear energy is safer than hydro that one dam collapse in China Killed way more people than all the nuclear disasters put together. Yeah The real issue those it ruins that area forever So like no one's moving in Chernobyl. Yeah Fukushima is fucked.

3:20:16Yeah, that was just fucked like when when they do go south they go bad It's the point where a friend of mine who's this brilliant guy says he won't eat fish from the Pacific anymore And I said why and he said Fukushima goes the I don't think they're they're testing for it I don't think they're they're testing for radiation poisoning. I don't think I don't think they've measured it He goes who goes what if you know what if it's a lot worse than we think it is and we find this out 10 -15 years from now Maybe I'm wrong he goes I just don't want to take a chance So I don't eat fish from the Pacific.

3:20:45I'm like Wow to that is the fair point. Yeah, I don't know if it is. I mean is that ridiculous? I mean how much of an impact does Fukushima have on the entire mass of the Pacific Ocean? No, I mean your fair point about you can't live in that area for for a very very very very very long time Yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah, I mean hundreds of thousands of years. Yeah, those areas are ruined Yeah, but the thing is they can mitigate that now And they can figure out a way to have nuclear power plants with better failsafe than they had in Fukushima Fukushima they had like a backup and that got crushed too And then they're fucked because they can't shut it off and then you have this reactor that you can't shut down And it's just chaos.

3:21:22I mean Chernobyl they had to work really hard to make that thing blow up It was like incompetence and all sorts of other dynamics going on there was pretty fucked up It's wild downstairs. There's things living there It's like who knows what kind of crazy mutation Yeah Godzilla type shit is going on there. Do you know there's a there's an animal sanctuary Area in the Red Forest and it's one of the safest areas for wildlife in the world because there's no humans there Wow, but has anybody measured the effects of radiation on those animals? I mean some of them are getting affected obviously, but they're not getting shot by humans is the point Right, but what if we're developing like telepathy?

3:22:01Yeah You know in comic books radiation always leads to awesome things. That's a from Spider -Man exactly You know, that's a become the Hulk or yeah to X -man. Yeah, maybe that's China And maybe that's Russia's maybe that's the the next stage of the war Unleashed All of the problems in comic books like with radiation. It's all like someone becomes a superhero now They have these powers and they have well, I guess I have to save the world You just fucked yeah, maybe that's what we need to solve our problems is to spy the squirrel from to novel, too. Yeah, maybe we need aliens Maybe that's what we need maybe they need to come down and go settle the fuck down Yeah, this is maybe we just need beings who are just way smarter than us just to go you are a bunch of incompetent chimps Shut up and I will deal with it.

3:22:48What do you think about all this uap stuff when you see this? I mean, I don't like that they change it from UFO to uap. That's annoying Because I know what you're doing. Just coming up with new clever ways to make it less Ridiculous to the world, but like what do you think about all this disclosure stuff? The thing that makes me skeptical is UFO sightings are so disproportionately North America We're enthusiasts You guys love a conspiracy thing. Love a UFO. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean Yeah, and it's never a new you're guy, though. You know what I mean? There's a few. Is there a few? Yeah, yeah it happens in New York There's been so but also people like You know like that's a problem, you know, it's like the amount of like really good footage is hmm There's the compelling stuff is the stuff the fighter jets capture that's compelling like the tic tac footage That's compelling You know when they talk about the the amount of GeForce that would be involved in something moving in that way like most things that we have would just fall apart like Just what is moving that quickly?

3:23:52Is the is the all of the sensors of are all those accurate or all those detection systems and all the radar and tracking is all that accurate Because if it is accurate like what the fuck can move that quick like explain that what is that and if that's hours Like whoo whoo whoo whoo Like if they've managed to hide some sort of super sophisticated propulsion system That's beyond our comprehension like beyond Nothing you could imagine and that they've been working on this for decades And that that's what all this UFO talk is they you mean the government yeah, yeah, there's some black ops program some Special top secret shit where they're in the middle of the desert They figure out a propulsion system that works on gravity, but could they keep that secret for that long That's the thing man You know because it's it's it's easy to go down this route and go the government Keeping things secret and of course the government doing of course their cover -ups But if there's one thing I can know from the British government It's just that they can never cover anything up.

3:24:53You know what I mean for that incompetent Yeah, right, but that's the legislators and the Senate and the Congress What about the fucking people that are involved in the highest levels of the military? I bet they keep a lot of good secrets. I bet they're real good at it Especially people that are working with defense contractors like if they really did receive a crashed UFO And they were back engineering it it would be a national security imperative for us to get that first Yeah, there's some craft that came here from Alpha Centauri and they've managed to get a hold of it And they're trying to figure out how that thing works You better shut the fuck up until we figure this out And I think that would be like if you're a patriot and you were working for the government you would you would keep your fucking mouth shut That was your job also They're they're looking at every email you send every text message you send Probably got your house bugged if you talk about it.

3:25:41They're gonna know yeah You know, I think it's possible to keep secrets as much as people want to think that it's not But I don't know I don't know what the fuck is going on and I'm part of me is like They're talking about it too much, you know part of me is like show me something Show me something like I don't want to go All this talk like even David Grush. He never saw anything He just uncovered programs that he found who knows who gave him that information I mean if I wanted to fucking put out some disinformation I would encourage someone to be a whistleblower. That's what I would do I would tell him some nonsense and encourage them to tell everybody else and then it describes the whole thing Yeah, it makes the whole thing like preposterous or it also can cover up this other thing that you have going on You say oh these are off -world crafts can't be ours Meanwhile it is ours like one of the things that's happening that's weird is there always in these areas where the military operates like off the coast the east coast where They've seen those things is it like a cube inside of circles that what it is It's either a cube inside a circle or a circle inside a cube But they've they keep seeing these things that can hover at 120 knots completely still Move off faster than the eye can see and this is something that Ryan Graves experienced He didn't experience it.

3:26:59He's experiencing on a sensors the upgraded their sensors And I think it was 2014 and almost immediately they started spotting these things such as a violated everything that New about like the way objects could move and behave What do you make of the sargamin? I can't remember who's made it But it's the idea that if we were to encounter an alien species if they reached here They would be so technologically advanced They could do whatever the fuck they wanted basically maybe or maybe there's like levels like we are at Right maybe there's like if we are going to eventually travel to other planets and establish a civilization of the planets or visit other planets How long is that one's not gonna be is that a hundred years from now?

3:27:37Is it 50? Maybe that's where they are Maybe there's some that are a thousand years more advanced. Maybe there's some that are millions of years Maybe some of them live in a solar system that's much more stable And it doesn't have the problem that we have with asteroids Maybe there's you know less collisions and they're so they're allowed to Reach this technological level of sophistication that's evolving over millions of years And they're like gods. They're they're they're we can't even Fathom the kind of technology they have available. Well, we would imagine that if we keep going we're gonna hit that But it is maybe as well.

3:28:14They don't have the capacity for self -destruction that the human being does right Maybe they've engineered that out. Maybe that's part of the feminization of of males Maybe that's part of the in for real that's maybe that's part of all this like gender chaos Maybe That's part of the microplastics that are endocrine disruptors that are fucking pesticides and all sorts of other things that are fucking with people's reproductive systems Maybe it's like a natural gradual change that the species must take in order to evolve to the next stage that it has to like sacrifice its lust and anger and fury and all these chimpanzee instincts that are really associated with dominant male hormones and And primate behavior that we we see in the jungle Can we operate as a as a species without those I would argue that we can't When president Joe is telling you to vote for everybody AI takes over up an everland overlord it'll make people eat credit cards every day so that your body will develop more microplastics and shrink your testes.

3:29:22Yeah, I don't know. You know, I wonder. I wonder what's happening You know, I think it's happening very quickly and it's hard because we're in the storm. We're in the middle of storm washnet But if you look at the amount of change that's taking place in human culture just over the past 20 30 years It's kind of unprecedented since the emergence of the internet. There's been never been anything like this It feels like we're living in a culture which has hit the fast forward button And it's out of control like we're on the roller coaster ride. We used to be going like this Click click click click click click click click click now we're going like this Yeah And you know, I don't know where it goes I think part of it is that the We've got to fix the outrage machine that we've got which is corporate media Social media the way we communicate about things about ideas.

3:30:14Yeah, this way I have hope for new media We don't always get things right of course, but it's an opportunity to change the conversation To have more of this to have more long form stuff to to pursue the truth Whereas right now the incentives in France has said earlier in so phrase I repeat all the time human beings respond to incentives And right now Being outraged and being outrageous is what's rewarded and being calm Being sensible being reasonable listening to other people That isn't the thing that we've been doing for the last 20 30 years. We've been doing the opposite of that And I think we have to find a way to change the incentive structure of the internet whereby we are not incentivized to be our worst selves Yeah, we've got to do that.

3:30:58If we don't do that We're going to destroy ourselves long before any fucking aliens get here man And that's my worry man to go back to your metaphor about the roller coaster We are on the whoa, but I'm going to be honest you mate. I'm looking down. I'm like is there a track? No, there's never we've never experienced this before right as far as we know the human race is Never experienced anything like this before This connectedness Whatever informational revolution. I mean people have always talked about this example of the printing press Right, right? You have so lead the church that controls all information most people are literate and then you get the printing press And you start spreading information to more people and there's more perspectives and then you get two centuries of religious warfare That's what you're books about witches Yeah, you know that was one of the first things that people did when they started using the printing press You think oh they're writing all these great books about philosophy and psychology nope.

3:31:53Nope. How to spot a witch? Yeah First something that we can all get behind man And in it carriages are worst instincts and we'll be like you know what all the problems in the society it's their fault Yeah, there's a lot of one -shot thing going on right now Yeah, there's a lot of witcher. I mean jk rolling is a witch like how did that happen? You know what I mean like she was this most progressive Lefty person says one thing about trans boom. She's a Nazi. Yeah. How did that happen? You know it's the the Wild West out there and everyone just fucking went along with it like the mainstream media went along with it Controversial law that what you know what I know Hitler never went you know I'm gonna take over the world.

3:32:33I'm gonna write some beloved children's book Yeah, it's someone Violating the orthodoxy. Yeah, yeah, you know and There was part of me who thought okay now she's come out We're gonna have a modicum of sanity. That's what I genuinely thought when I was naive and more stupid Look we should say we are actually making progress in the UK on that issue We really are yeah on the trans issue and making progress. We shut down all those We shut down the clinic and the rules and laws are starting to change and we're starting to be sensible So maybe the great hope is we kind of overreached and now we're raining it back in A little bit.

3:33:10It's not the case here from what I can tell doesn't seem to be the case here at all No, I mean it's coming straight from the White House. Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's terrifying, and that's that you know It's so interesting like now that our show has become bigger and people recognize us like I get a lot of especially Gay people coming up to me to talk to me to thank me to thank me and ask for what we do This this young lady came up to me. She was like she was American. She must be in her like sort of mid to late 20s And she was like, you know if I was born 10 years younger and you know she's a gay woman She goes I would have been screaming the house down at my parents I would have been demanding a double mistake to me I would have been demanding puberty blockers because I was so miserable and distressed and deeply unhappy at the fact that I was a gay girl Yeah That's a lot of the way a lot of gay people feel about this whole movement that in some ways it's kind of homophobic Because it's saying you're not gay.

3:34:07You're just in the wrong body Yeah, and so many of them are autistic as well This is what we are not taking into account quite often is And we've had lots of people on the show to talk about this a lot of these kids are autistic a lot of these people particularly the girls they would have had anorexia or bulimia before before that They would have had something else is just a way of people showing distress about what it's like to be a young woman It's not exactly a great, you know a great time to be a young woman when it comes to body image when it comes to the perception and the reality of how Men and women relate in our society and all of that right in a lot of the young men They're what what's happening is they're being praised for this choice Yeah, there's there's social credit to being You know identifying in a different way.

3:34:51Yeah, yeah, and it's it's really sad man It's because it affects everything I was doing a gig a few weeks ago and there was a comic on the boo and older gay guy and Like you know the classic look over the shoulder both ways and he sat down started talking to me And this is a guy who partners experience the AIDS pandemic so a lot of his friends die His partner was basically given a flat near to the hospital because at that stage of the of the In the 80s and the 90s it was like look you've got this virus You're gonna die so have a have a flat near to the hospital where you can get treatment and then when you die At least you'll be comfortable and he looked to me and he was talking about everything that was going on Going to pride marches.

3:35:32He was like it's a really bad time to be gay. He went I went to Manchester pride and This woman got up on stage and she brought her six -year -old daughter with her Helder up to the crowd and went this is my daughter. She's a little gay girl And the entire crowd cheered and he and he went how was she said going? You're sexualizing your daughter But what are you doing? Right? You're seeing your six year -old attracted to women. Yeah And then and then people are cheering and going this is great and he's like no, it's not You know bread said something to me when I had my son. He said congratulations.

3:36:05Your heart is now outside of your body And that is to me the great hope on some of these issues is like people's love for their children is such a powerful force And it can be a force for good too And we've seen a lot of feminists stand up on this stuff in the UK and a lot of parents as well because you know What it's like and you're a father of girls right? Like these you it's it's now many people's one of their greatest nightmares about what could happen to their children, you know So that if your children get indoctrinated into something like this and make some change to their life that is permanent And that people are encouraging them to do that a pre preteen Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy and it's something that we've always known that children don't have The ability to see the future.

3:36:56Yeah, you don't like that's why you don't allow them to get tattooed. That's why you know It's like but with this they're like no, no, no, they know Yeah And it's and the fact that it's become so party political here as I think why you're not making as much progress in America on this issue Because it's like you're on the right you're against you're on the left you're for Why don't we just look at what is medically correct? What is good? What is bad? What damages people? What helps people? Let's take some fucking time now people only want to look at the side effects of some of these Medications are giving kids because it's too painful chocolate But they're sterilizing they are ruining their bodies permanently it reduces their life expectancy I mean Chloe Cole and there's lots of other detransition as you listen to their testimony And the scary thing is the detransition is gonna attack yeah They talk about their own personal experiences and the regret of transitioning and they get attacked Yeah, because you know there somehow got internalized transphobia now and it's you I just I really hope that we just wake up from this that we wake up from this and that's the thing That's great about the UK is that we do have left -wing politicians like Rosie Duffield who have come out and spoken about this Honestly, and she's a hero.

3:38:10She's an absolute hero because she has been called all manner of names by her own party She's been attacked to get she has stood firm. What a hero well. I hope people wake up here too. Yeah What how do you think that happens? I guess just talking about it I guess the discussion moving from being orthodoxy that you can't question To people seeing detransitioners seeing problems with that we know with children being malleable and easily influenced and seeing People that might just be a feminine man that might be gay and you're turning them into a woman and Forcing them to get castrated and Yeah, this idea that you know you're not a man if you don't like you know, you know climbing trees and cutting down logs and all of this nonsense It's just so backwards.

3:39:00I thought we'd overcome that. I thought you could be a feminine guy who loved writing poetry and was more sensitive And that was great and that's just another type of man We'll be again. Maybe it will be again. Yeah, listen guys. It's always beautiful to talk to you. Yeah, I appreciate you guys Thank you. You guys your show's awesome. It's very good. It keeps getting better trigger. No, I'm a tree. You can it's on you to you guys get dinged on YouTube at all Um, I don't think we do at the moment. No, we get you know occasional episode demonetized But we're kind of used to this part, you know No, we're loving it.

3:39:39We've got as I said we've got new shows coming with different people. We're gonna expand and grow Beautiful and spread this message. Yeah, um, all right. Well, thank you for being here. Thank you guys for having us. My pleasure. All right. Bye everybody