#2052 - Shane Dorian

27:40He's great. He's an awesome dude. And Mark makes a primal kitchen mayonnaise that's avocado oil, which is very good for you. I think we have some of that at the house. It's great stuff. And so what I do is I'll cook up on the the Trigger. I'll cook up like a few elk roasts like for the week. And then I buy like four or five jars of that Primal mayonnaise at a time, and I'll just scoop it onto a plate. And I'll just dip slices of cold elk into there. Like I came home last night from the comedy club at one 30 in the morning, and that's what I ate. I just ate a big plate of elk and some Primal Kitchen mayonnaise and watched YouTube.

28:19I cannot, that's disciplined, dude, to eat all meat all day. That's crazy. I'm pretty decent, like I'm pretty decent, like with discipline. And even with my food, I'm really disciplined with working out and kind of discipline with food. And I'd say for like, you know, 80 % of my food intake is like pretty darn good. It's like meat, nags for the most part. But man, I do love like I have sugar cravings to eat. Of course. Everybody does. And the thing is if you don't stop eating sugar, you're always gonna have these super strong sugar cravings. And there's such a big difference between hunger and cravings are two totally different things, but you feel them in the same way.

29:00You get this trigger of like, fuck, I'm hungry, I'm hungry right now. I always say that like, if you just give me a rib eye steak and I eat the rib eye steak, I will be satisfied. And I'll be done eating. I might not even eat the whole steak. You'll stop when you're done. Right, for sure. But if there's a bowl of pasta right next to that, I'm gonna dig into that spaghetti. I'm gonna fucking eat that whole thing. They don't really like, oh, and then my stomach's gonna be bloated and I'm like, oh, I've had giant meals and then just looked at my stomach and the mirror. I'm like, what are you pregnant?

29:28Like, what is that? It just bloated with food. I'm a real glutton. I have a real problem with food. Yeah, I do too. But I don't really, because I'm disciplined, but if I let myself, I will eat two pizzas. Right. I will fucking you give me like two pepperoni and mushroom pizzas. I will fucking keep eating. Yeah Right until I'm like stuffing it like the pizzas up to my neck like It's really hard to do that with me. It's really hard to do that when you're eating just meat We're gonna eat until you're done and then you're done Well meat has a very high satiety level. Yeah, we're and anything that's high in protein Yeah, it satisfies you very seriously delicious.

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33:03You have to get fat. Fat is important for your brain function. It's important for everything. So when I, um, if I, that's why I like that primal kitchen mayonnaise stuff. Or when I cook, uh, elk, what I'll do is, uh, most of the time I will slow cook it on the trigger, like, like 265 until it reaches an internal temperature about like 115 or so. Yeah. And then what I do is I take cast iron frying pan and I use beef talo. And so you get a lot of fat from the beef talo. Yeah. And so I use grass fed beef talo and I sear it on the outside and that beef talo. I get the fat from that. I also try to get fat from bacon.

33:42Your bacon's not good for you. Okay, whatever. Listen, trust me, it's good for you. It's fat. You need fat. It's not good for you if you're eating all cheeseburgers from McDonald's and processed food. That's not what the problem is. And then you put bacon on top of that. But bacon is not a problem. The real problem is there's a giant issue that people have with processed foods. And when you talk about like there's a bunch of goofy epidemiology studies that talk about how meat increases your rate of cancer. But what that, the way those studies work is. someone will fill out a form like how many days a week do you eat meat?

34:23And I eat meat six days a week. And what they don't ask is what kind of meat? Are you eating a jack in the box cheeseburger? Do you have fries with that? Do you have a shake? Do you have soda? Like there's a bunch of other things that people do eat. So there's a thing called healthy user bias, right? So if you're someone who says like, I don't need any meat, and well, you're probably listening to a lot. You're probably trying to do the right thing for your health. So you're listening to what would be like mainstream conventional doctors wisdom on diet, which is almost certainly off. Because most of these doctors that are talking about these, they're not up on the latest studies.

35:02They're not like Huberman or Lane Norton or anything. And he's like, like, if you really want to know, like, what's good for you and what's bad for you, I always say, listen to jacks scientists. like those the guys are gonna tell you, like these are the foods that are actually good for you, these are the foods that, and almost everyone agrees. Sugar's terrible for you. Sugar, breads, pastas, and then you get into the more controversial areas of seed oils. Seed oils, which essentially were initially, they were initially invented to be industrial lubricants for machinery. And they figured out, have you ever seen the process where they take canola oil, which you think of as like, like, oh, canola must be corn, must be healthy.

35:44No, it's rapeseed, which is a, that word people don't like, like rapeseed. What the fuck is that thing? I don't wanna have nothing to do with that plan. Well, that's what canola oil is. And then there's like, saffo oil, flour oil and sunflower oil. Oh, those sound wonderful. Not good for you at all. Yeah. Avocado oil is though. Avocado oil is very good for you. Olive oil, very good for you. There's a lot of oils that are very good for you. That's another thing that I use. to in particular definitely the best. This is another thing I really like to do with meat, a poor olive oil on. Put a little salt, put a little olive oil.

36:18That's why I'm getting a lot of healthy fats. And so with my diet, I have to make sure that I get healthy fats because you just eat just only like elk. There's not enough fat. They're too lean. The rib eyes, you can eat all rib eyes all the way. If I ate all elk, I would probably weigh 130 pounds. You'd just shredded those. Shredded like crazy. Shredded for sure. So for what I was saying was like for the first two weeks it was really hard my workouts were rough It was like I was sort of fighting off a cold almost like yeah, I just like Yeah, like when I it aches to No, not that bad. Yeah, no, just a little bit of fatigue and mostly just during exercise It wasn't really that much during the day Not at all during the day in fact, but I could feel the difference But somewhere along the line about two weeks in your body hits a switch and now it has no effect on me Right now.

37:12I feel great. I feel great hitting the bag I feel great doing sprints sprints on the air -dined bike I feel great with my body weight workouts kettlebell workouts everything's great But more importantly for my job for this my brain works better just works better right and for comedy writing much better all the above everything's better it's just carbs and bread and all that stuff, it's just the crash, like the inconsistency when you get throughout the day. And also like, the fact that you just keep eating, you just get bloated, you just stuff your fat fucking face with cheeseburgers. If you give me cheeseburgers with buns, I'll eat three or four of those.

37:51I can't stop. Oh yeah, you'll eat it till it's all gone. Yeah, I will too. But like, you know what I like to go, I like to go to In and Out and I get those flying Dutchmen, you ever get that? No. I don't like it in a no. You don't like it in a no. How dare you? I really don't. Their fries suck. Oh my God. I feel like I judge a burger going joint on the fries. Really? I love their fries. I don't like their fries. Do you like McDonald's fries? No. Who's fries do you like? I like like big potato wedge fries. You know how's the best fries? Sweet potato fries, I'm a big fan of them. Oh, those are the best.

38:24Yeah. But you know how's the best fries in all of fast food burgers? Five guys. Five guys. Five guys has some fucking fries. I don't think I've ever eaten in five guys. Oh, they're the best. Five guys will give you bacon on your burger and you get bacon in jalapenos. Five guys are the best. I prefer five guys over, even over in and out. Yeah, my son likes in and out and we go there sometimes and I get the animal style with the lettuce wraps. And it's all right. Lettuce wraps, okay. I prefer what's called a flying Dutchman. What a flying Dutchman is just a patty slice of cheese. Patty, that's what I get.

38:59Oh, got you. It's like a patty sandwich. It's like a cheese sandwich with the patties as the bread. Do we cheese on the regular? Yeah, yeah. What sort of the cheese are you? I mean, I eat dairy. Whatever. I eat all kinds of cheese. What about fruit? No fruit? Occasionally I have fruit. Does it make you feel weird or any? Did it give you a little weird influence? Sometimes in the morning, I just decide I want to a little pep up. I'll have a banana before I work out. But most of the time I work out fasted. I like berries and papayas. I eat a lot of them. Oh, those are great. I love papayas. I love mango.

39:29and go, mangoes probably my favorite fruit. Papaya's a really good for your digestion. I was gonna say that, while we're on this thing about the food, Denise, Fenyze, yeah, ways to well. She, I did my original blood work with her, and then we did a really cool Zoom call afterwards, and we talked for like an hour about my blood work, and I was deficient in a bunch of different things. And one of the things was vitamin D. And she goes, I think you should start supplementing with vitamin D, do you? And I said, yeah, I actually take vitamin D every day. And she's like, there's some weird disconnect.

40:09So we send me the brand or whatever you take. She's like, that's a great brand. There's something wrong happening with the way your body's trying to absorb and digest that. So there was a bunch of things in my diet that I was taking that I was kind of deficient in. And so she started me on this digestive enzyme, which is essentially papaya enzymes. And then I got my blood work done six months later and I was like really great on my vitamin D. Yeah. So there was something about your diet and the supplements where your body wasn't accepting the vitamin D. Yeah. Well, usually say vitamin D you should take with K2.

40:47You know, taking it with K2. I take both. Yeah. But my body for some reason just wasn't getting the vitamin D. That's interesting. There's a lot of people in our division of vitamin D. Yeah, oh, it's a giant problem. And it's a giant problem. Well, it's really a hormone. Yeah. Vitamin D is very different. And the best way to get it really is from outside. The best way to get it is from the sun. But if you don't get it from the sun enough, like specifically if you live in a cold climate, you really have to supplement. If you don't, it's just really bad for your health overall. In all ways, your immune system function, something like at one point in time, like 74 % of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D.

41:24This was crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think that most people just in general are deficient of vitamin D. Yes. And it's surprisingly most surfers are deficient in vitamin D. And they're outside in the ocean. It's great. How is that possible? Doesn't make any sense. What is true? What could be causing that? I don't know. Like, what about surfing? I have no idea, but it's, but it's that's an actual thing. Is it possible that somehow another something about the water? I surf I'm in the sun every single day. That doesn't make any sense. I'm in the deep. And you tan. And I was really deficient in vitamin D.

41:55That's wild. Yeah, it's pretty weird. That's wild. Yeah. God I wonder what would that be. That doesn't even make sense. I know. Very strange. I would think if anybody would have like super high levels of vitamin D, it'd be surfers. Yeah. Right? Shirt off. Shorts on. Barefoot. Yeah. I don't know where those are. It's like a big old fucking solar panel for vitamin D. I don't know, but I definitely wasn't getting it. So I have to supplement that. I have to supplement a couple different things. One of the things that I do that Hubert Mint says to do is I spend the early part of the morning like staring into the sun.

42:30I get up in the morning and the first thing I do is go into the cold plunge and where my cold plunge is set up. Like when I get it in the morning, the sun is like right there. Yeah. In the sky when I'm freezing my dick off. So I just lie in this thing and like stare at the sun and it's it's an amazing way to wake up It just fires me up like right away. It just changes my whole day. Yeah, you know Like whatever sluggishness and weirdness that I have I get in that thing and it's like yikes And I'm staring at the sun. It's like Yeah, my levels just go right back up to normal. I'm drawing a blank on the term.

43:05But what is it called when your body? Sets it's time for the day from the sun and the kid in one of them. Yeah, it's getting rhythm It's supposed to be great for that. So it benefits your sleep a lot, right? To get sunlight early in the morning. Yeah, because it's supposed to set your body's clock, your mind's clock. I've never had a problem with sleep. Yeah, I mean, either. Luckily, I'm just one of those guys. I can suck. Yeah, I have friends that really struggle with sleep. My wife struggles with sleep. I can go to sleep on a fucking train station floor. Yeah, I don't get it at all. And I'm not super empathetic about it too.

43:35Because sometimes my wife will be up, like doing something in a mill of night, and she's like, she can't sleep. but I'm like, what are you doing? Like go back to sleep. She's like, do you think I want to? Yeah. Some people just can't sleep. Well, Jocco only sleeps like four hours a night. That's not good for you. He says he doesn't need it anymore. Yeah, but this brain does. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe not like for functioning right now, but like long term, like you ask Andrew Huberman, and that's one of the things you could do to like, help your brain function as long as possible. And like with all his high -mars and all kinds of brain issues, like long term, Sleep is a major factor.

44:11Yeah, it's a major factor if they look at the correlation between the amount of hours you sleep and the instances of Alzheimer's, it seems to be some sort of reaction. Huge. Yeah, I don't know. Jocco's a different kind of animal though. Maybe he's definitely seems built different. Yeah, maybe he just doesn't need it. I think there's certain people, I think Arnold is one of those people too, Swartz and Iger. I think he said he only sleeps a few hours a night. Yeah. I think there's certain people that just, they have just different requirements. There are people that like physically don't need as much sleep.

44:42Like everybody needs some sleep, but I think there are people, I'm not one of them. I can notice the difference between six and eight hours. I know it's a big difference. Six hours is like, oh, I got a push. It's an extra push. Whereas eight hours is good to go. Yeah, you know, I sleep six or seven hours a night. But I feel like everybody's different. Like there must be outliers to only sleep four hours a night and function well, it must not affect your hormones as much as most people. Because I feel like most people, if you sleep four hours a night, it's terrible for your hormones. It really does have the crazy crash in your hormones.

45:16I think it really depends on what you're doing. Like for some people, like if you're only sleeping four hours, but your job is very engaging and very intense. And a lot of adrenaline, you're fired up. Like at the end of that day, you're probably going to crash hard. but you might be able to pull it off and keep going. If you have like some fucking paperwork job and you only slept like four hours, you're gonna be yawning and falling asleep. You're gonna be barely able to get through it. Or even this job, there's like the brain function aspect. You know? Here it is, huge. After 10 years search, scientists find second short sleep gene.

45:52After a decade of searching, UC San Francisco scientists who identified the only human gene known to produce natural short sleep, life long nightly sleep that lasts just four to six hours yet leaves individuals feeling fully rested have discovered a second. It says before we identified the first short sleep sleep gene people really really weren't thinking about sleep duration in genetic terms said Ying Hufu PhD professor of neurology and member of the UCSF whale, how do you say that? Whale? Whale? Whale Institute for Neurosciences. Fou led the research teams that discovered both short sleep genes, the newest of which is described in a paper published August 28, 2019, the Journal of Neuron.

46:40According to Fou, many scientists once thought that certain sleep behaviors couldn't be studied genetically, sleep can be difficult to study using the tools of human genetics because people use alarms, coffee, and pills to alter their natural sleep cycles, she said. These sleep disruptions, the thinking went, made it difficult for researchers to distinguish between people who naturally sleep for less than six hours, and those who do so only with the aid of an artificial stimulant. And natural short sleepers remained a mystery until 2009 when a study concluded conducted rather by Fou's team discovered that people who had inherited a particular mutation in a gene called DEC2, average only 6 .25 hours of sleep per night.

47:22Study participants lacking the mutation averaged 8 .06 hours. The finding provided the first inclusive evidence that natural short sleep is at least in some cases genetic, but this mutation is rare, so while it helped explain some natural short sleepers, it couldn't account for all of them. Interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. You would I think Jaco's just an animal. Yeah, just must very I think he likes being tired I think he likes waking up tired and then pushing through it his He's probably so used to suffering on a daily that that just becomes his baseline If he's not suffering he probably doesn't feel right.

48:01Yeah, right? Well, how many fucking good is Instagram? How many photos of their of his watch? Yeah, at fourth or even more? You got the worst, the best Instagram, but the worst Instagram. You're just like another watch photo. But you know he's gotten after it. I know it's a shitty time X watch. It was scratched so over. There's probably had for a decade. Look at that. My go to, when I'm working out, Joe, is I'll like go on Spotify. And I'll search Jocco, Goggins, Rogan, Jim Motivation. And they'll have like these snippets from different like YouTube videos of your show, when you have someone on you're getting psyched or Goggins saying you're a bitch if you don't work out harder or whatever it is and then like Jocco like saying a bunch of stuff and it's like this hyper motivational stuff and I'll listen to that as I'm working out.

48:48I swear for sure it's like maybe 30, 40 % difference in my output. Like I work way harder. Isn't a wild inspiration could do like a rock's crazy. Yeah I said it could be fun. I'll be working out and so fired up. I'll like I'll send I'll share it and be like hey next workout. You got to try this, it's like that good. It's like pre -workout, but the whole thing. Yeah, it's interesting how mental, something that happens to you that's inspirational. Like some sort of mental fuel. It's like a physical drug. Your body responds to it like a physical drug and you get fired up. Yeah. Yeah, it's real. Like music is like that.

49:29Like most of the time I don't work out to music. I just work out. I usually watch something on TV, I watch fights or something on TV. But ever now and then I work out with music on and my god, you're like an extra gear. Because the music. Get fired up by a good song. Like say if you're doing like Tabata Sprints on the airdined bike of good song, come flying like fuck. Right. It just gives you extra energy. Yeah. It feels so good when you're done, when you really worked hard. Yeah. I love that feeling. It's a drug. Inspiration is a drug. Inspiration through music. Inspiration through movies. Inspiration through.

50:03through little short Instagram clips. It's a drug. It's crazy how what you listen to through your headphones can completely change the way your brain's thinking and just give you more output, basically. It's pretty damn cool. It is cool. We're just very fortunate that there's so many sources of inspiration today. Yeah, no kidding. This is like infinity. Yeah, it's like no other time that's ever existed. Yeah. I save them too. I have like a folder on my Instagram which is fucking awesome clips. Yeah. Marks. I love that too. Yeah. So, um, how was the bow hunting and why you been? It's been it's been good.

50:41It's been good. It's been good for me. I've been I've been bow hunting access deer a lot. I actually um, I took the year off hunting elk. I saw I saw that you're hunting elk and we talked but uh yeah you had a really exciting elk elk season. I want to hear about that but yeah it's been it's been amazing. I've been not home very much but the last I was home in Hawaii. I bow hunted access deer. I went on this last trip. I killed four deer. And that was just lots of fun. I just spent tons of time mostly spooking deer and missing. But four of them in the way. Yeah, I was. The thing about access deer hunting is it's so sustainable.

51:20It's such a great way to get food because there's no natural predators. They literally have to be hunted. And there's fucking thousands. thousands, thousands. Yeah. When we did LaNai, remember when we had the dream team? Yeah. In a lot of eye. Oh, so kind of good again, man. It was you, me, camhains, John Dudley, Adam Greentree, Remi Warren, Ben O 'Brien. Benny. Oh my God. It was such a good crew. What a crew. I know. It was one of the great times we had. Yeah. We did that by casting my hotel room. A lot of deer got killed that week. A lot of deer. Yeah. That gave a lot of people a very delusional perspective of how easy it is to hunt access just deer and nine though.

52:00The guys told me that they had 150 hunters coming after us and one of them was successful. One, everybody else pulled a rifle. It's so hard. Yeah, it's funny. I always tell people that. I'm like, I'll see a thousand deer in a day. It's not unusual for me to see a thousand deer in a day. And they're like, how'd you only get one? How'd you get none? Like sometimes I go access to your hunting in Hawaii for three days straight and not get one. Yeah, easily. Yeah, easily. It is so hard to get close enough into bow range where you're trying to get 30 yards away from a deer, and there's 200 deer in front of you and I heard.

52:33I have a video of a shot, I'll try to find it on my phone, but I have a video of a shot I took at 80 yards, and it's a perfect shot. Like this arrow's arcing right towards the vitals at 80 yards when the arrow's 10 yards away from the deer, he's like, TOO! And he's gone. Like, not there. 10 yards. Like the arrow's going, I don't know how fast it was going by the time it got to him, but on the way there, it's going 275 feet a second. Yeah, and when it got close to him he heard it and he was Their evolved they've evolved to get away from tigers is not insane those mother fuckers are so twitchy. They're so fast Can you pull up Instagram?

53:11Can you go to matmiola his page one of my really good friends that I bow hunt with in Hawaii? Howdy spelled me. Yolo. M E O L a this guy is one of my favorite human beings by the way is a legend Really good bow hunter great surfer one of the best air surfers in the world but what's the air? Like he just incredible at airs. Like see that air on the upper right? Oh Jesus. He's the man. Wow. If you scroll down, yeah, if you scroll down, there's one, he's so funny, sky. Great fisherman, great bow hunter. Can you go, go back up in the middle right there? No, yeah, right in the middle. I think this one, if you see it, it'll show his taking shots at Axis here, and you'll see his arrow in the air.

53:53You see it? And watch the deer. It's going perfect. He's like, fuck it. Let me get out of here. Look at that. That was a perfect shot. Yeah. And a clean miss at the same time. Yeah, it's nuts. And they're so fast. There's another one right here. Well, when we went to the night, I know it's crazy. I mean, the arrows are going so fast. So fast and the deer are faster. They just duck and run. Yeah, it's crazy. The amount of perfect shots you've made and completely missed is crazy. Yeah, it is when you see him in slow mo and you realize like oh, I don't suck like this These are fucking grease lightning, but they will make you throw your bow in the air.

54:31They'll make you buy a rifle Yeah, I know so many people who have tried to go bow hunting for access deer and end up shooting one with a rifle Well with a rifle it's more ethical because the reality is with a rifle. You're you're going to 100 % get a deer and if you want to just get yeah, and if you want to get that meat That's the way to do it. Yeah, because they can't dodge bullets. If you're yeah, if you're filling the freezer That's the best one by your bar one by far the best way the best way to do it And I'm not opposed to rifle hunting. I mean I shot either shot a pig last year rifle It was awesome and after a long -ass bow hunt.

55:05Yeah, I just loved like having it on a rest Yeah, looking at that fucking reticle and just boom Stone dumb and he just dropped dead and now got you know a two. He's a big ass fucking pig So I have I mean who knows how many pounds of sausage I'm gonna get from this is gonna be amazing They make great sausage, but here's a fat boy. I've only killed one animal with a with a gun really? Yeah, the first animal ever killed Wow, that's a freaking dinosaur dude. Big ass pig. Yeah, big I'm looking too wild boar and where I was at in California. They're overwhelmed with them There's a soul man. We saw hundreds of pictures of me.

55:45Hard to get close to you though, right? Yes. They're very, very, very, very smart. Yeah. Very smart and butt with a rifle. It's like so much easier. Yeah. All you just do is just like, I'm gonna squeeze it. Don't move. Boom. There's so much less moving stuff. For sure. When you're at full draw, and you got your anchor point, I have a nose button. I have to touch this thing to my nose and I have to make sure that my finger is like right under my jaw line, because that's one of the things. Yeah, there's like a lot of shit going on. It has to be my elbow, make sure it's up in the air. And not like this, you know, there's like so many, like you have to like, I have to think the bubble has to be leveled.

56:22Make sure the housing is centered in the peep site. And you're going through all this while you're in this like, high pressure situation with this fucking massive elk of a lifetime is standing in front of you at 50 yards. And then you gotta put the pin on its vitals, then your nerves are going, so you gotta make sure you center in that pan and make sure that pin's not moving too and then the shot breaks perfect. But when it does happen, and you hear that, whack, and then the elk runs off, and in this case in California, my elk died in literally 10 seconds. Yeah. It was the fastest I've ever had an elk die.

56:55It was a perfect quartering away shot. So it shot through the ribs, like little back, so you know, you know, quartering away shot. What that means folks is, instead of the animal standing completely sideways, it's slightly facing away. So it's looking away from you slightly, which is actually a much better shot, because then you're going through like three and a half, four feet of body cavity with a broad head. Yeah, it opens up the vitals. Yeah, and the animal died almost instantly. It ran for 80 yards, like as much as it could before it just died, and it died instantly. So let me ask you this.

57:33So I'm totally not opposed to rival hunting at all. I think rifles are great for filling the freezer are in totally ethical hunting. But for you that rifle hunt sometimes, and boh hunt sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed and that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling. It's way better. Yeah. It's much, much, much, much, much more difficult because you can have a very ethical shot on a deer with a rifle at 200 yards where the deer might not have any idea you're even there.

58:10So if you, especially if you're prone, so if you have a pack and you rest your rifle on the pack and you're lying down in your stomach and you breathe out and relax, that bullet is flying so straight if your rifle is zeroed and you look at the radical and you get those cross hairs perfectly on the that's a dead deer, 100%. Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal senses. Like when I crept up on this elk that I shot last week, I wore two pairs of wool socks to my shoes off because I could creep in because he was bedded.

58:52And it was damn cool. It was so cool. Because it was the perfect opportunity because he was bedded and he was looking away from me. I was like, oh, he's dead. He's dead. I just have to do this the right way. And so I started out at like 110 yards and I crept in very slowly. The final 60 yards. And it took, because there was like a bunch of shit in the way, I had to get to 50. And I got to 60. I was like, I like it, but I don't like these branches and shit, I got to get to the right. Which is like another 10 yards. It took me like another 10 minutes. It was nice and slow. But when I got to 50 and he was still better, I'm like, oh, he's dead.

59:26I just have to wait for him to stand up and then eventually he got up stretches legs out and whack Were you on your knees or standing out standing? Yeah, I was standing in the tree This is actually a video of it. That's on my Instagram very cool It's pull that video up because it's dope because you see how good the origin camo is We're working with the origin now and origin is Jocco's company and Camhain's me and Kip folks who started under armor. Yeah, that's me right up there. Yeah, so look how well I blend Yeah, and you could actually hear it play give it give the volume so you could hear the whole thing Which is for a bow hunter listen to the sweet shot?

1:00:03listen Yeah, that's what you want to hear. Yeah, yeah Great noise right there. It's the best. Yeah, but it's also interesting like at 50 yards listen to this There's like half a second yeah, definitely that's enough time there like for an axis deer That one's probably gone gone hard to imagine but the elk he had no idea what that was. Yeah, he didn't even look He just heard the I mean, I mean, he just the slap into his body and he was gone He was gone in 10 seconds. That's the other difference too like gun gun hunting and And bow hunting like so it's so different like I guess like there's two two two super big things that I can think of are super different is like one is if that if that elk was behind some grass or brush, you still shoot.

1:00:49Yes. If you aim well, it's gonna go right through that shit. With the narrow, there's no chance. And then the other thing is, if you're going archery hunting for elk or access deer, something like that, you gotta practice a lot. A lot. With a gun, if that thing is zeroed in, yeah. And you shot a gun before? The animal's dead. I hadn't shot a rifle in over a year. Yeah, I shot that pig. Imagine doing that with a bow and going soul hunting. I would never do it. I would never do it. I would never do it. That's a huge difference. I would never even consider doing it. Right. And the unethical. Right.

1:01:22For sure. And so in Texas, it was 105 degrees in the summer. And I was outside in the summer every day for three hours practicing. And so I would do that, bring a 64 -inch hydroflask and I'd fill it up with water and liquid IV and I would just be drinking electrolytes all day and just shooting. Yeah. And that was the way that I did it. I was like, I would come in and I would be drenched like I just jumped in the pool. But that's what you have to do. You have to. I mean, I have a 40 yard range indoors here, which is great. That's amazing. But it's not enough. I need to practice. I don't shoot things at a really long distance, but I practice at 100.

1:02:01And the reason I practice at a hunt, oh, Jesus. Well, the reason I practice at 100 is not to shoot something at 100. It's because when I get to 50, I've got it. 50 yards to me is an easy shot. That's what they say, right? You want to practice it twice the distance that is your effective range. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Is your wireless full of stuff you didn't sign up for? Don't need or don't understand? Visible gives you everything you want from wireless and nothing you don't. No confusing plans, no hidden fees, no nonsense. With Visible, you just get unlimited everything. Unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot.

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1:04:58Because when you get nervous, it all dependent upon how calm you can stay. Right. And one of the things is certain people like yourself are very good at being calm in high -pressure situations because you've done so many high -pressure things. You know, when you're big wave surfing, I've got to imagine, I've seen some of the fucking waves you ride. That is got to be a crazy rush. And you got to keep your shit together and you're balancing yourself out on the forces of nature, of millions of pounds of water that's working at an insane rate. There's insane forces, and you've got to keep your shit together while you're on that.

1:05:34So it makes sense to me why so many surfers get into bow hunting, because it's another way that you can kind of stay calm in an insanely pressure -filled situation. Now, if you're a regular guy who maybe like played baseball ball in high school or something like that. You don't have any real pressure situation. Triggering baseball players. I mean, I'm sorry, baseball's hard. When you're at the plate, it's a little bit. Feel like just a baseball player or something. You have no high pressure situation. In high school, I said in high school. I'm just kidding. I mean, there's a little bit. There's a little bit in your balls, too.

1:06:09But I'm just so, uh, I go grushing out these days. Yeah, listen. If you like baseball, good for you. But the point is, it's like, if you're a guy who just has an office job, And you're you know, there's a little bit of pressure and work or stress and yeah, there's a giant difference between Managing your physical body under the demands of extreme pressure for sure. That's what I like. Yeah, I like Scary shit. I like to do things that scare the fuck at him. That's why I liked fighting That's why I like Jiu -Jitsu. That's why I like comedy. I like things that are nerve -racking. Yeah, I enjoy it I don't know why I enjoy when it's over enjoy success.

1:06:46I enjoy no doubt pulling it off That was a huge challenge. The battle to overcome fear or pressure in a moment is huge. And that's why I love bow hunting. It's why I love it, that moment when there's that elk and you know that this is your time, this is your window and every single thing that you've done in the last six months, every shot that you've taken, every target you've worn out is just critical on that specific moment and you have to keep mentally, you know, calm like you said in the zone and you see that arrow hit exactly where you aimed in that pressure cooker situation. There's nothing like it.

1:07:19I never thought I'd find something like that besides surfing really big waves. Now I have. It's incredible. A lot of fighters say that too. A lot of athletes, Derek Wolf, who played for the NFL, he's found a great relief and a great discipline in bohunting. He's really dive full into it. That's a thing for a lot of veterans that return back. That's a thing that really helps them assimilate and just find some new thing that's this discipline that they can high pressure. And also for me, when I'm sitting down and I'm eating a meal and I'm cooking a meal for my family and we're all sitting there eating, like this is something that I got myself.

1:07:56I harvested this myself. And so there's an intense connection with your food. And it's the best meat in the world, the best protein in the world. It's the best for you. I love seeing it on your Instagram that you eat your wild game all the time. I actually know hunters that, Like, especially when I first started hunting, it was kind of rare, like amongst my hunting friend group to actually make their own game. It just, they just love bow hunting, but it wasn't like they, it was like, like the meat part was a huge part of it. Like my wife eats, access to your twice a day. Mm. She eats it at lunch and she eats it at dinner.

1:08:35Almost every day. It's kind of wild. Even when I'm not even home, she cooks it from my kids. Well, it's delicious. Yeah, it's insane. Like when I first started hunting, she wasn't super into it. And now that she's eats it every day, she just doesn't want to eat anything else. Which is really cool. It's so good for you. It's the most nutrient -dense food in the world. And Axis Deer has amazing flavor. It's so interesting. It's almost sweet. Axis Deer has got just like, it's this beautiful, like, amazing renewable resource, especially where you live, that you literally have to kill them. They have to.

1:09:11There's no predators. Unless you want to bring tigers to the eye, like, well, that's what you would have to bring. And people will argue with that. But if the problem is in Hawaii, the deer were introduced, there's native forests, there's native birds, they have a huge impact on the land. And then if you just let them go, their numbers get so big, and then there's a drought, like a place like the eye, all of a sudden it won't rain for six months, and the feed goes away. And then you have 10 ,000 deer with no food and what happens is they die these horrible miserable deaths Yeah, so you have to keep those numbers in check that way when there is a drought.

1:09:47They still all live Yeah, well much healthier that way also it provides very cheap meat Right these people that live there that it's like the most incredible resource for that I mean you go to you go to lini the four seasons the lini is excellent It's it's such a good resort and it's so great that you could stay at the four seasons and then go bo hunting It's incredible, but they have like access sliders that they sell. What is that farm? Was that restaurant that's there? Malibu farms? Is that what it is? I don't know. I'll forget what it is. Yeah, I know my God. At the four seasons. They have access sliders.

1:10:21Oh, they're so fucking good. They're so good. Access is so, it's such a fantastic meat. But if I had to pick one, it's elk. That's my favorite meat, by far. And maybe it's because of the experience, and maybe the meat is absolutely delicious too, but and I can cook it so many different ways. I make elks stew, I cook sausages, I have some of it turn into jerky. It's like I eat it all the time. When's the last time you made yourself an elk steak and you got halfway through it, you weren't hungry enough for the rest and just through the rest and the trash. Zero times. Yeah. It always goes in the fridge.

1:10:53That's pretty cool, right? Yeah, be like, let me give all the people who eat half a steak. Right. And then just like send it back in the restaurant. I'm good. I'm done. Yeah. They didn't even think that that's an animal. But it's very, very different when you've hunted it yourself. You know, and my kids eat it, everybody eats it. And I'm just thinking it makes you healthier. It's just better for you. So nutrient dense. And it feels like you can run through a brick wall and eat that. I know. It looks so different too. When you look at it, it's like this dark red meat, like red gold. Yeah. You know?

1:11:23I love it when you get really, really fit. And people are like, bro, what are you eating? And I'm like, just deer meat. Yeah. That's the bad and it's true. I literally that's pretty much all I eat. It's very, very, very good for me. It really is good. If you're trying to get fit and you're working out and you're trying to eat really, really good, nutritious food, if you're eating venison, man, it's a crazy result. And if you're a person that doesn't have the patience for bohunting or doesn't appeal to you, get a rifle. Get a rifle. Go to Maui, go to the Nye, you can shoot three or four deer. Or Texas.

1:11:56Yeah, or Texas. There's a lot of them. Texas. In Texas, it's a little weirder because a lot of these places are these high fence places where these animals are essentially contained in a park. Yeah. It's a different thing. That's not my type of hunting, but if you're just going for the meat, like if you're going for the meat, I don't care, shoot them in the fence, don't shoot them in the fence. It doesn't matter. You're trying to feel the freezer. I go to one of the things that I also find is that you really need practice. like you you don't want your first shot of the year on a live animal to be an elk that's like a 350 elk in Utah that's going to the wood and you got a small gap to shoot it you're yeah you really would need reps and pigs provide the best reps in Texas definitely they have to kill them they're fucking everywhere the plague there's a friend of mine was a friend of mine my friend Tyler shot off to archery country best bow shop in the world it's out here in Austin, we go to, there's a hunting lease that he has and we go out there and it's fucking swarming with pigs.

1:12:57And you know, you can practice on pigs, you get this amazing meat from those pigs and you can get those shots in, which I think are critical. There's so many bases you have to cover if you want to be a successful bow hunter. And one of the things I should shout out is Joel Turner, because this shot IQ system that Joel Turner has developed. He was a sniper and he worked with the SWAT teams and he developed, he was trying to figure out like, what is it about these high pressure situations that cause people to flinch and panic and get target panic and fuck up shots and especially in a hostage situation like with a sniper, it's insanely important that you keep your shit together because you might have to make a headshot on someone who was a knife to a hostage.

1:13:44You can't mess that up. You can't mess that up. And so Joel researched what happens to the mind and what are closed loop and open loop systems. An open loop system is like when you're swinging a bat at a ball. So like you can't stop it. You know, you're swinging that bat and once you initiate that movement, it's going. It's going. Closed loop system is at any time you can stop. So during the process of a shot, you are well aware of what you're not just hammering the trigger and flinching and panicking. What you're doing is going through this very specific shot process. I have things that I say to myself in my mind while it's going on.

1:14:28I keep talking to myself so I'm never flinching and panicking and freaking out. I stay in my shot process. And because of Joel, I've been much, much better at like keeping my shit together during those, and I've been doing that for about five years now. Is that a book or a podcast or something? He's got a website. Yeah. What is it called shot IQ .com? And he's just information that you consume and then you practice it. Yes. Well, he breaks it down to one of the things that he makes. He's like video based, the stuff he does. Yeah. Video based. I have to check that out. He talks about, and he's thoroughly researched this.

1:15:02I mean, he keeps improving it and updating it, but I know, like, world -class archers like Levi Morgan will use it. It was like literally the greatest archer of all time. He uses it. And these guys use it in order to have a process that you utilize while you're in the middle of a shot to keep talking yourself. Cam Haines developed his own process on his own and didn't necessarily know that that's what he was doing, he just knew what was best for him. And what he does is he puts the pin on the animal and then he says to himself, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, boom, the shot breaks.

1:15:44It's interesting. Yeah, but he's going through it in his mind, like when he's at full drawn in animals, he's like keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, and the shot breaks. Whereas some people like, they see the, and they just fucking flinch and they fucking hit him in the antlers. So many people freak out in that moment. And having a process, I think the biggest thing is just even if your process isn't perfect, having a process to think about instead of thinking about the pressure, thinking about that moment. When you're just sitting there full drawn, you're like, hey, pin on the animal, get my anchor really good, look at the bubble, okay, first pin for sure or third pin for sure.

1:16:23He's 50, it's a third pin and whatever it is. having that process and then high elbow pull through, pull through the shot and then like, you know. And follow the arrow. Yeah, follow through. Yeah, it's, I think just having that process and like really talking to yourself in that pressure cooker moment is the way for you to see that. Remmy has an interesting thing he says too. Remmy says, be the arrow. Oh really? Yeah, which I like. I incorporated that too. I like that. This idea of be the arrow. Like you, you are literally thinking you are the arrow. You know where you want that arrow to go. You're concentrating on the B the arrow.

1:16:59And then when he releases that shot, he's like following it. He like is the arrow. And then Wack, and you know, very few people are more successful than Remy. One of my one of my bohunting mentors, Jeff, he's the technique bohunting when I was when I was a lot younger. And he goes, he goes, you know what I used to always tell myself when I was at full drawn right before the arrow broke? He said I would look at the animal. The last thing I would do is say you're going to fucking die. That's intense. And it sounds kind of messed up. There's all these non -hunter listening to this. Like, whoa, that's really messed up.

1:17:32But he goes like, think about it like psychologically. That's what you're doing in that moment. And you gotta like really embrace that. Instead of hoping, instead of coming from a perspective of hope, like, oh, I hope that arrow gets there in the right spot. I hope I don't mess this up. It's like, it's like that confirmation of your mind telling yourself that, this is what you're doing here. This is the intention. The arrow's gonna go there. And that's what's gonna happen. and believing instead of hoping, you know, that's the difference. But like the way he said it was interesting, but he's like, it's powerful, honestly.

1:18:00He's like, so having a process and being super confident that all the work is paying off, and in the moment you're gonna make that shot as key. It is a discipline, and if you want to take this journey, you have to understand, it's a discipline, and it requires work. It requires a lot of work, and a lot of thinking, and a lot, it's gonna be a lot of pressure, but that's what I like about it. Yeah, and again at the end the end result is it's so rewarding. Yeah Isn't it crazy? I don't know if this is gonna take us down a rabbit hole, but I like rabbit holes. I was just tripping the fact that we're here in your studio talking to him about bow hunting and food And there's a war there's like people putting missiles together into a machine like a some launcher thing right now and And Israel is about to write at this moment Gaza.

1:18:50They're they're talking about a ground invasion of Gaza and they're preparing for it That's so gnarly is terrifying. Yeah, it's so terrifying because it's we're so close to World War three We're so close. It's no jail commands. It's really that's really feels like that's what's happening It is happening. Yeah, it scares the fucking shit out of me. Yeah, it does mean to and someone from the government was just having some sort of a press conference where he's saying, you know, we are at war and war is messy and this is I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to avoid this, every single possible thing that we can to avoid this?

1:19:29And it doesn't seem like they look ahead. They just go, here's what we got to do. Right. Here's what we have to do. Like I get it, I get it's like what happened on October 7th, Yeah. Is horrible, absolute atrocity and like barbaric and absolutely terrible. And I get it, you have to retaliate and you have to do what you got to do. But how do you do that? Like, of course you want to get rid of Hamas. That sounds great. You know what I mean? I completely support that. I think everybody supports that for the most part. But how do you do that without so much collateral damage is ridiculous. And then even more important than that is fast forward five years from now.

1:20:08Right. What happens? What are the repercussions? Yeah, especially around that whole area with all those Arab countries. And we're backing that. We're backing them killing all these people there. And we're also backing Ukraine against Russia. And now it's looked like we're going to back Taiwan. We just sent an aid package to Taiwan, billions of dollars to Taiwan. It's like we're opposing all these like, you know what I mean? We're opposing China, Russia, and now these Arab countries. Yeah, it's scary, man. I'm not the person to talk politics, but I mean, or, you know, international military strategy, but I had just watching the news and trying not to and just trying, and it's funny because I, I mean, I've always known about Israel and Palestine just from what I hear on the news and like just sort of hearing like kind of understanding on the most surface level.

1:21:04And it wasn't until now, age 51, where I was actually, I've been watching, like, listening to podcasts, watching documentaries, trying to, like, educate myself and, like, figure out what this conflict, how it came to be, what the history was, and it's the more I try to learn about it, the more complicated it seems. Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah. It's terrifying in the consequences for all of us are so grave, because if it does go completely sideways, if someone goes nuclear, we're fucked. We're fucked. the world's fucked. I mean, we're getting knocked back into the Stone Age if we're lucky. If we're lucky, if we're not lucky, the whole human race gets wiped out.

1:21:40And all it takes is one person to go rogue. Yeah. And like you saw the like for for Hamas to do what they did in Israel. That was, that was totally strategic. They didn't do it. They didn't like do do all that barbaric shit in that way Like just a proof of point. It was super like they wanted a crazy emotional response They were trying to escalate the situation obviously right like you would never do that with that You're going what is this gonna do? It's obviously they're gonna fall on air strikes You know ground invasion It's pretty obvious that's gonna happen. Yeah, so they basically wanted that to happen.

1:22:24They wanted like I listen to the Coleman news podcast you just had Coleman on the show a couple days ago whatever that was. The way he broke that down how he simplified everything and like he made so much sense out of it but I just can't stop thinking about the repercussions of retaliation and escalation and getting every single other country involved and just it's just wild. When it gets me is late at night when I'm alone. This was even before the Hamas invasion, it was just thinking about Ukraine and Russia. I would be at home and just go through the news feed and read some stories and then everyone in my house be asleep and I'd be awake and I'd just go and fuck.

1:23:10Is this the last days of normal civilization? Because every movie where we ascend into the apocalypse or descend into the apocalypse. That's how it starts. It's like, you know, there's normal life, dropping your kids off at school, buy honey, I love you. And then hours later, sirens, bombs, powers off, no water, no food, people are struggling. It's just like, if nuclear bombs start going off, the world will be unrecognizable. There would be, we will be right back to barbaric Stone Age monsters in a matter of months, matter of weeks, days even. There's no power, no food, no nothing. You know, there's the fucking borders been invaded by hundreds of thousands of illegals.

1:24:05How many of them are militants? How many of them have snuck in across the border and are forming terror cells? We don't know. I mean, that's the giant fear. That's that's for sure happening for sure. No doubt for sure. I read this thing that there's like six to ten million people that came across this other border in the last four to five years. That's as many people that live in New York City. And then like a crazy increase in people coming across the northern border. Yeah, it's not like and I see it. I've been in California a lot last few months. It's insane how many more people are just obviously all of a sudden just appearing like getting dropped off on like street corners with buses literally just in the middle of nowhere they literally just get off the off the bus with a cell phone but look at New York City when coma was explaining how New York City yeah literally has a mandate to how is it homeless yeah and that was supposed to be the people that lived there that were down in their lock and now it's people that have come in from other cities and or other countries rather illegally and they're trying to make it so that those people can vote and you see what they're doing with people from Venezuela they're crazy they're sending people back from Venezuela.

1:25:12Only from Venezuela. Yeah, because Venezuela opposes socialism. So they're not going to vote democratic. Yeah. They don't want those people. That's crazy. This is fucking why. It's crazy how it's so like when you start thinking about it like that. That sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's like totally political. All these moves. 100%. Yeah. They're literally importing democratic voters. Yeah. They think by allowing the borders to be porous and by giving people aid and giving people housing that you're essentially guarantee that if you can rig it so that those people are allowed to vote, those people are going to vote Democratic.

1:25:44And if you could say that, oh, voter ID is racist. Like, what? Voter ID is crazy. That's crazy, but they think that. And they don't think that. They don't think that. They know that that's not true. It's horseshit. It's all political horseshit, but that's unfortunately the level of discourse that we have today, especially with all the virtue signaling on social media and all the people clamoring to prove that they're the most progressive and the most open -minded and equitable and we're all down for inclusivity and like... Yeah, bro. There's going to be repercussions to all that for sure. I mean you see the videos in New York City and Chicago and these places where they're dropping all these people off.

1:26:24They'll like video 500 people in a row and be like two women and almost everyone's like between 20 and 30 years old. All military age dudes. Yeah, like what do you think's gonna happen five years from now right with like 10 million Illegal immigrants here also if you're importing people that have come from horrible crime ravaged parts of the world That's what they grew up with that's their custom too And if they also have a defunding of the police Yeah, and you also have a a complete disrespect for law enforcement in this country Well, you're gonna it's a recipe for disaster Well, and think of it that is so crazy because everybody has a smartphone these days even in You know almost pretty much every country people have smartphone and access to the internet There's 8 billion people in the planet the US has incredible Like like the lifestyle like the normal lifestyle in America's craze like a joke how good it is like people got It's so good in this country.

1:27:19It's insane 8 billion people are looking at that with social media Yeah, and they're seeing on the news Thousands and thousands and thousands of people walking across straight into the US and getting all these incredible things in return for doing it. Like I would be wanting to come here too if I was so fucked up country. 100%. Yeah, so you can't blame them at all. No, I don't mean blame. I would 100 % be one of those people making their way across. And then I didn't go out of Molo or wherever. All I had to do was hike for a couple of weeks. And I could be in America. You have a landscaping job and feed my family.

1:27:52And you get a bus ticket to freaking Tijuana or wherever. And then just walk across the border. Yeah, sweet. It's crazy. Yeah, and then I feel like nobody agrees that having a secure border is a is a is a is a bad idea I think everyone thinks that secure border is a good idea well became a political talking point during the Trump administration Because people wanted to label Trump as racist and they wanted to label the wall as racist but meanwhile oh That's crazy. It's so dumb Obama was talking about that Obama was talking about that in 2013 We have to secure our borders and I was reading that it would cost between four and six billion to finish the wall And we sent a hundred and billion dollars to Ukraine.

1:28:32We accidentally overs sent six billion to Ukraine That's enough to finish the wall and secure the border like that's pretty well Well, they need more than that really because people climb that wall. Well, yeah drones and yeah all these they need reinforcements they need patrols. They need they need law enforcement That's what they need the border reinforcement. Yeah, they just they're terribly under manned and everybody that I know like my military friends that have gone down there and visited, like Tim Kennedy's always telling me, you've got to go down there. You just go see what's happening.

1:29:01And he was telling me this two years ago. He was like two years ago, it's fucking nuts. And now it's even worse. That's great. I feel like the problems are slowly then suddenly with that type of thing. Or like you don't really realize it's like a New York, like the Sanctuary city. Everybody's welcome in New York City, just come here. And next you know every single immigrant that went there was getting like a $3 to $500 dollar hotel room each night and everybody thought that was a good idea. It's like that's what I mean like slowly then suddenly like you don't really see the problems until it's overwhelming.

1:29:36Well and the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City is no longer a hotel. I stayed there before the Roosevelt. The last time I was really in New York City I stayed at the Roosevelt. The Roosevelt Hotel is now a complete housing center for migrants. I mean, see if you can find videos of the Roosevelt Hotel today Because the restaurants no longer restaurant the hotels no longer hotels crazy It's 100 % for migrants and it's overwhelmed and it's more than to capacity and New York City from most people I talked to who live there as a shit show now. It's much more of a shit show This is this is the Roosevelt Hotel Inside Manhattan's hotel is the new Ellis Island.

1:30:15It's crazy man. It's crazy Yeah, I was just in Tijuana for a week, Joe. Very way fewer homeless people in Tijuana. Way fewer than in America, than in California. No fentanyl zombies all over the street. It's the weirdest thing. I went to TJ thinking it was going to be like super dangerous. I had all these assumptions. I felt totally safe. I hate like five star restaurants right across the, like right across the street from where I was staying. I was staying at the Hyatt Kilder Hotel right across the street like three incredible restaurants It felt completely safe and like when I'm in California, there's zombies everywhere Do the fentanyl problem is so out of control?

1:31:01Insane yeah, we're fucked. We're fucked. You see this about fentanyl recently Mexico, Cidilone, cartels, message to members stop making fentanyl or die good Well, the crime group yields to intensifying U .S. law enforcement pressure and it's kidnapping or killing producers who defies ban on trafficking the opioid. Good, you're sting. Good. I'm with them. I wonder why. Well, I mean, it's fucking up their business. Their business is selling cocaine. And then these guys make fentanyl and they cut the cocaine into fentanyl and people are dying and then law enforcement pressure starts ramping up and then what they're really worried about is invasion.

1:31:38The military decides to go after the cartel. The cartels are fucked. I mean, they start air striking cartels with jets. That's a wrap. Crazy. How crazy is it? How like the fentanyl these days is mixed with trink? Or it's trink? Have you heard of that? What's trink? I can't believe you haven't heard of this. Trink with a Q. So trink is fentanyl mixed with a horse trancholizer. So the horse trancholizer makes the fentanyl last much longer as my understanding. Jamie's probably looking it up right now. But the trink is a horse trancholizer. They mix it with fentanyl. I think to make it last longer and make it more powerful and the fucked up thing is it's so toxic They they all injected it's so toxic that it it it's so poisonous to your body that your that your body's trying to get rid of it So it creates these massive sores where the drug is trying to get out.

1:32:30I saw that in Russia Yeah, and people know it's here now to a big time is people are getting sepsis and having get there There are there limbs amputated. It's really really not go back to that article that you were just posting D .A. Like message about okay, Zyla Zine is making the deadliest drug threat in our country That our country has ever faced fentanyl even deadlier said administrator milligram D .A. C Zyla Zine and fentanyl mixtures in 48 of 50 states the D .A. laboratory system is reporting that in 2022 apparently approximately, rather 23 % of fentanyl powder and 7 % of fentanyl pills seized by the DEA contained xylzene.

1:33:14Yeah, I have a weird, I don't know, obsessions right word, but I like watching like drug documentaries and like interviews with like drug addicts and like, you know, DEA agents like all that kind of stuff is just kind of fascinating to me because I don't have a drug The problem is just interesting to me how people like, choose to go down that road over and over and over, even though it just seems like the worst thing ever. But the addicts, when they talk about being on fentanyl, they'll choose the xylazine now with the fentanyl because it's much better. And they know they're gonna die from it like really soon and they keep choosing it.

1:33:52Pretty wild. And if you're a heroin addict, you can't even find heroin these days. You can't get heroin, it's all fentanyl. Yeah, really? Yeah. I've had a few different friends die from fentanyl. They thought they were buying a baggie of cocaine and a party and just dropped dead. Yeah, that happened to a group of comedians in LA recently. And so messed up. It's fucking horrible. Yeah. It's the number one killer I think of people in like 18 to 49, something nuts like that. It's like 100 ,000 people a year dying of overdoses. What do you think about parents sending test kits with their with kids to go to parties so they can test the drugs?

1:34:36Well, it's certainly better than not testing it and taking it. Right. Obviously the best thing would be to don't take any drugs but you know, especially in people kids are drinking your fucking All your judgment goes out the window. You're not thinking straight. You're drunk and then someone offers coke and there's peer pressure and you're like I'll try it and then next you know you're dead. You know if there was a method of testing and I know they use that a lot at raves because that was one of the issues at raves was that people were buying MDMA and that was lace with fence for sure. We wind up overdosing with that.

1:35:11Yeah. It's fucking scary shit man. Also pants are sending their kids Narcon or Narcan. Narcan. Narcan to help them survive an overdose. Well, and to help other people. Yeah. I heard a lot of kids in Portland are being trained and sending their kids to school with Narcan. And they're trained to give Narcan to heroin addicts or to fentanyl addicts. But just crazy. That's the other thing they say in those documentaries. They always interview the addicts and they say how many times have you over or they say have you OD before? And they're all like, yeah, of course. And they're how many times they all say countless.

1:35:47They don't know. Imagine Odeing so many times where you literally do not know how many times it's been. And then going straight back and getting high again, like with a needle. Yeah, it's a real crisis. Yeah, it really is a crisis. I mean, you have kids. I have kids, so these are things that are like totally on the front burner for me. Like, to me, I'm never sending my kids to a party with test kits. That's not like that's I feel like Talking to them from a super young age Totally having super transparent hard -to -heart talks with them about friends that I've had that thought they were getting One drug and it was laced with this shit that is completely deadly and dropping dead Just drugs are different man.

1:36:34They're not how it was when we were kids when we were kids like people would experiment It was completely normal like I feel like those days are over in some some aspects, you know for sure Well, the real problem, and this is a very uncomfortable discussion, but the real problem is that drug prohibition has made criminals the only source of drugs. And you have no idea where you're heading. And that's the problem. And if you make drugs legal, all drugs legal, you're going to have a bunch of people that are doing drugs that wouldn't do drugs if they were illegal. So you have that problem. And so how do you mitigate that?

1:37:09How long does it take for the dust settles and life normalizes because if you think about the prohibition in the United States Prohibition of alcohol in the United States propped up the mob everybody knows that it's a fact It's widely openly discussed the only people that were selling the alcohol or the people that were criminals They made a shitload of money. They they masked massive power because of that and They you know they used it they used it to control cities they and until They got infiltrated and the mob got broken up. They for a long time, they reaped the rewards of the power that they started to develop during prohibition.

1:37:48And that's exactly what you're seeing with the cartels. The reason why the cartels have so much power is because there's so much demand for illegal drugs in the United States. And that's not going away. Well, it's not going away. People have always wanted to do drugs. There's always going to be a certain lost segment of our population that wants escape reality with some fucking hardcore shit that puts them in a trance. Yeah, well they're finding it. Yeah, if they want that, it's everywhere. What is Hawaii's problems? What is like, like on the big island? What are the main drug problems? I mean, it's been meth for the most part for like last 20 years.

1:38:22That's taken a toll. There's no doubt about it. Meth with meth has been like probably the biggest problem. But now it's turning into fentanyl. Now it's turning into fentanyl. One of the little girls in my daughter's circle of friends was on Instagram Live. This was like two years ago, and it was like 12 years old. She was like on Instagram Live, no one was home at her house, and she went in her mom's medicine cabinet, and she found a little baggy of white powder, and chopped it up in a line. On Instagram Live, she just had her friends or whatever, like her 10, 15 friends that follow her, like a little girl.

1:38:56And it was like, dermy, she snorted it. It was pure fentanyl. Oh God. and it turns out her mom was selling it. That was on the big island, and my daughter's little circle of friends. That's you done. That's happening everywhere, man. That's my little tiny town. I feel like a little town, like a little farm town that grows coffee, and that's where you surf and hang out, it's like super mellow, but somehow that's really happening. Those drugs have infiltrated every last little corner of our country, it's wild, man, wild. It is wild and the alternative doesn't seem repealing either the alternative of making heroin and cocaine legal at stores That scares the shit out of me too.

1:39:38Yeah, it's weird that it's like it's like regional like Like it's really bad in Canada Horrible the drug the drug epidemic like I was in Not Toronto. Let's the other giant city in the West Coast when Vancouver Vancouver holy crap. Thousands and thousands and thousands of homeless people, homeless offentinel zombies all over these like big city blocks like thousands of them like you know slumped over have you seen that when they get slumped over that's the trunk. So that's a tranquilizer thing. So it's super high and they're tranquilizer so they basically are like you know they don't fall but they Canada, it's huge in the US, it's huge.

1:40:29But I just was in France and Spain, none of that. Yeah. None of that. Well, they didn't have the same opioid crisis that we had caused by the Sackler family and what they did with the oxy -content pills, where they just made, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people addicts in this country. Crazy. If not millions. I mean, how many millions of lives are ruined? because not just the people that, but their families, everything gets devastated, everything gets ruined. The most fascinating part, I think, about that series was, I mean, there were so many fascinating things about that series, but there was a window of time where no one knew what it was, what OxyContin was.

1:41:14No one knew. Just had his name and it made you feel good and it, like, took your pain away and took you out of whatever your stress you were feeling. Now, now we know about it. Like there's kind of no excuse now for like the kids coming up that are educated like, hey opioids, they're fucking deadly. You know, oxycontin, all these opioids are like highly addictive. They're pretty much all gonna kill you or lead you down this horrible road to something horrible. But there was a window of time where literally no one knew what that stuff was. I remember it went through my whole, not my whole group of my friends, all got hooked on that junk like right away When no one knew what OxyContin was.

1:41:52Yeah, well that documentary, that series, the Netflix series, Pain Killer is absolutely terrifying because it shows you how corrupt the system is and how they were able to prescribe this and make this thing and pass it where it can be prescribed to people. When we were kids, when I was a kid, no one did heroin. It was like an issue. If someone was doing heroin, that guy's off the rails. Like, oh, you hear Mike's doing heroin. like Mike's gone. You would think that guy's gone. Totally. He's suicidal. He's just fucking shooting up. Like I knew a couple of comedians that did heroin and I was like, oh my God.

1:42:27And they wind up dying. The two that I know that I was pretty aware of. They wind up dying from heroin. And it's just heroin was rare. Yeah. And then a big choice. Yeah. It was a big choice. Yeah. But now it's this. And doctors were prescribing it. Thousands and thousands and thousands of doctors were prescribing it because it was believed to be not addictive and safe Well, we're also we heard that that's safe and effective. Yeah She's I know we never learned we never learned well some people learn But it's it's so difficult to be completely informed and the problem also is that young people they they make bad decisions They're young.

1:43:11They don't have a lot of life experience You know, and they think they're just gonna party and other people are partying. It's no big deal. I'll just have fun Yeah, there's no doubt and I think that oxy content thing was the fact at least in my Lifetime was the first time I started seeing people start to distrust doctors Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like they were starting to look at doctors like especially after those documentaries came out in those DocuSeries, what was the other one called? Dope Sick. Yeah. Because doctors were like all of a sudden on board with this whole prescription thing and over -prescribing, like crazy and like buying a hook, line, and sink or whatever those farmer companies were telling them.

1:43:52And then that, and then with the whole COVID thing, it just accelerated that whole distrust of, I feel like that's a really sad thing. When I was a kid, you just trusted your doctors implicitly. I would call a doctor, my personal doctor, they're gonna ask them anything and believe anything they said. These days, if I've a broken arm, I'm gonna go to the doctor. If I have something super specific, I'll go to the doctor, but it's crazy. It feels so different. It's changed now. Doctors are captured by a system. And doctors, they're essentially rule followers. There's a very rigid system. That the FDA forbade them from prescribing Ivermectin during COVID, which is wild.

1:44:37Because now it's legal to prescribe. Yeah. Just like, now they allowed it to prescribe. And there's, I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but there's a lot of randomized controlled trials that show that it's effective. So like, what the fuck is that all about? Like what did they do? Well, I'll tell you what they did. There was a cheap and effective drug that is generic. So they can't make any money off of it. And then there's this other thing that they can make billions of dollars off. So they pushed that. And anyone that supported that cheap and effective drug, they were marginalized. They were mocked.

1:45:09And that's, that was, the media was involved in it because the amount of money that the these pharmaceutical drug companies spend on media advertising, that's the giant problem. So crazy. There's only two countries in the whole world that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on TV. And that's United States and New Zealand. And New Zealand is much more restrictive than the United States is. And the most fucked up thing is not only are they able to advertise in the US, they're able to advertise on our news channels. Exactly. You're able to prop up our whole media system. Yeah. And then the media can't say anything about pharmaceutical drug cybervists.

1:45:49Exactly. I mean, they're captured. So crazy. But that's also led to their demise. Like they looked at short -term profits over long -term sustainability. Yeah, because the trust in mainstream media is in an all -time low. Yeah, COVID ruined ruined trust Yeah, really CNN recently got the lowest ratings it's had since like 1991 I got 43 ,000 people watching one of those Anderson Cooper shows. I heard that that's crazy crazy crazy That's crazy Whitney coming said that she goes if I had 43 ,000 people that watched my Instagram real like killing myself That's insane, right? That's insane It's crazy that people with large personal platforms are bigger than mainstream media.

1:46:31Way bigger. Way. And amazing. It's good. It is amazing. It's a good thing. I mean, look at Mr. Beast. What does he have like 100 million YouTube subscribers? There's not a show on Earth. It's like that. Not a show on Earth. It's bigger than that. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like you're right. There's definitely never been worse. So I think they did it to themselves. Yeah. I mean, they all did it to themselves. I mean, and they've they do to themselves constantly they did it to themselves with this Hamas Israel Invasion with the bombing of the hospital like all that stuff. You can see there They're elated to tell the news right now.

1:47:09Yeah, they're they seem like they're they're so excited They have some in a people are just like locked on to mm -hmm They're the only ones who win and these wars those media companies. Well, I mean, it's it's kind of ironic that that's how literally really how they made Trump by constantly reporting on the stupid things that he would say and the ridiculous things that he would say, they would think they were getting him, but all they were doing was giving him more attention. And all they were doing was making it bigger, making his profile bigger. And every time they attacked him, he just got bigger.

1:47:37And now that people have a distrust in media, and now it works even in the opposite way, like it's even more ridiculous, rather. Like no one trusts them anymore. So anytime they say anything, people go, what's really going on? This is kind of off topic, but I meant to ask you about this. Isn't it funny that you are painted as like a right -winger? Solariris. And I don't think you're a left -winger. I don't think you're right -wing. I don't even know. Way more left -wing than a right -winger. But it's funny that like if you asked like, you know, this whole side, the whole left basically thinks you're right.

1:48:14You know what I mean? But like anybody who's like kind of semi -progressive or whatever would think that you are a right -winger, right? Because that's how they like depict you in the news on the left, right? Like CNN and all that stuff, right? Well, I look like I would be a right -winger on a bold of muscles and tattoos, I bow on and I do cage fighting commentary. You know, there's a lot of reasons for why you could label me. You fit the stereotype. But how many, how many, How many how many presidential candidates have you had on this show quite a few? Okay, let's name them Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders Tulsi Gabbard Andrew Yang Robert F Kennedy Jr Gary Johnson Is that it?

1:48:59So everybody well RFK Tulsi and Bernie yeah, what they're in common libertarian. Yeah, they're Democrats They're all Democrats. Yeah, so it's I just think it's kind of funny that everybody all these people think you're right winger when all the people over republican candidate for haven't for governor for s poor president for anything but it's for i've never heard that your bias from only having from not having republicans on your show that i mean that that's kind of weird they leave that out well it's just the mainstream media they they're they're just they don't like other people having influence and they try to attack them and one of the best ways to marginalize someone or use as a pejorative call them far right They like to call me far right.

1:49:43Well, the only thing that I'm right wing about is discipline. I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in freedom of speech, which is crazy. That's right wing now. There's so many tenants that used to be of the left that are now attributed to the right, which is crazy. Distrust in the government. That's all the sudden. It's really changed, right? Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. Distrust in the government used to be left wing. You know, promotion of free speech used to be left wing. But when it comes to like social safety nets and universal healthcare, basic income, things like that, I'm very left wing.

1:50:22I believe that there's people that are down on their luck and they need to be helped. But I also believe in discipline. And I also believe that the right to bear arms is probably the only thing that kept us from becoming Australia during the pandemic. You see what fucking happened to Australia during the pandemic. 100 % agree. They were locking people up. They were outside. They didn't have their mask over their nose. I mean, it was bananas. They were locking people up for social media posts. Did you see what happened in Canada? These guys got arrested for a conversation that they were having on a train?

1:50:51No, but Australian Canada turned into full China. Yeah, it's Australian. It's full authoritarian. I've been going to Australia since I was 16 years old, one of my favorite countries in the world. never an a million and Australians have this sense of pride and like they're just they don't give a bug. They're like rugged. They like no one can tell them what to do. It was crazy to see that during COVID where they basically had to all comply or else and it was like real. They got in so much trouble if they didn't. It was insane and you're right. That's the biggest difference. Like they thank God that's that's that's really the only difference that I have a couple Australian friends that said that like older or really intelligent Australian friends that were like dude.

1:51:31Yeah. The most important thing you have in America is a second amendment. It's the thing that keeps the first amendment alive because the freedom of speech backed by this second amendment. People don't want to believe that they want to point to school shootings, but here's another thing they don't want to point to when it comes to school shootings. What about the instances of psychotropic drugs that are used by people who turn out to be school shooters? Is there a correlation? Is there a causation? And nobody wants to discuss that? That's another thing that never gets discussed on mainstream media because of the fact that they're all compromised by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

1:52:05There there's a huge number of these people that commit these mass atrocities that are on psychiatric drugs. Now is it because they were already sick already crazy and that's what caused them to do that perhaps? Is it because a lot of these disassociatives and a lot of these SSRIs and a lot of these different things cause people to think and behave in very bizarre ways. There's no doubt. It has to. There has to be some sort of a connection. The fact that it's not being investigated, it's not being discussed, and if you bring it up, you're a fucking loon, that to me is crazy. And that's the weirdest thing that the mainstream media has done to try to control a narrative, specifically to protect their interest, because they are being funded by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

1:52:52Yeah, and it's not for the greater good of anybody including the people that run the pharmaceutical drug companies Look, there's drugs that they should sell that are great. They produce drugs. It's save people's lives That help people there's not it's not like demonizing the pharmaceutical drug industry It's not them. It's the people that run the companies that are money people the money people just want to make money. Yeah We had What's the guy's name? that litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies for Viox. Do you remember his name? One of the things Viox was a, like an anti -inflammatory, similar to ibuprofen, but caused horrible side effects.

1:53:40A friend of mine had a stroke when he was on it, and it killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 60 ,000 Americans. Wow. And in internal emails they said it's going to cause all these problems They listed all the medical problems that were off, but we are going to do well with this Yeah John Abramson Wow, so John Abramson just it says Joe Rogan's New Year's Eve tutorial on corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry so this was the the the drug John Abramson he's author of a new book sickening how big farmer broke American healthcare and how he can repair it and He's a lecturer at Harvard Medical School and the author of a 2004 book, Overdosed America, the Broken Promise of American Medicine.

1:54:24And the way he described their internal conversations about these drugs is absolutely terrifying, because it's the money people. The people that are just looking at their baseline profits, the responsibility they have to share holders, and what they need to do to constantly make more money. Their job is to always make more money. And they're willing to do really awful shit and push things that aren't even effective, don't even work any better than ibuprofen. And they're willing to push this stuff on people and tell them, hey, you got arthritis, we got a cure. Right. And I feel like a lot of times when people have mental health issues and they go and seek help, a lot of times they get put on drugs like immediately without other, and nowadays there's a lot of other options.

1:55:10There's brain treatment. There's like hallucinogenics that they're doing. Like there's a lot of different options now. And I feel like the pharmaceutical option should be, maybe the last option in some situations, you know what I mean? Yeah, in many, many situations. And in some situations it's a good option. And that's meant to be addressed to. It's not like a, it's not binary. There's some people that I'm friends with that got on antidepressants and it changed their life. Right. Got them out of a funk and allowed them to make changes. and then slowly weaned out my friend Ari. He got on him and then eventually got off of him.

1:55:46And he changed his life. He got much more successful and happy. And then realized like, okay, now I'm happy, now I'm successful. I need to get myself off of this stuff and stay happy and stay successful. It's interesting when you start making different, like when you get your brain pretty good, then you start making different life choices, you get healthier all around, and maybe successful in your work, and then you start having like meaningful relationships It helps heal your brain. You know what I mean? It helps heal your perspective. It can make a significant difference. How you view life. But that's a big one with psychedelics.

1:56:20But the problem with psychedelics is they're not profitable. And you go to Peru and fucking take a brew in the jungle that they make out of leaves and it fixes your life. Like not a lot of money in that. And you definitely don't get people addicted to it. I think it's starting to emerge though in some of these clinics that are like alternative mental health. Yeah, type of places. I've been doing, but I think I talked to you about this in the past, but I've been doing a bit of brain treatment. So years ago when I was surfing a lot of really big waves, I had kind of a cluster of concussions. Over like a six year period, I had five really bad concussions.

1:56:58They were all pretty close to each other and a couple of them were really, really bad. Anyway, I started noticing some kind of mental health issues, not super bad and not extreme but it was starting to creep in like like my mood started kind of going downhill. I started seeing that I was kind of getting more and more pessimistic. Didn't like being around people even more so than like I'm kind of I'm not the most social person but I started like having like anxiety about going in like big groups of people hanging out with big groups of people going to like public functions stuff like that would really freak me out.

1:57:32Now I was also getting pretty like mentally sloppy, like a lot of brain fog. My mental clarity was getting worse and worse, so being super forgetful. Anyway, I met a guy who has like a brain treatment center in California, so I went and got an EEG, it's called, so they measure like your brain function, your brain activity, and they get like all this data about your brain, and then I had some brain treatment. and then they sent me a, I got this at home brain treatment machine. Basically, I put this thing on my head in the mornings and... Is it magnetic for 30 minutes? Yeah, it has electrical pulses that goes through and into your brain and stimulates brain activity.

1:58:18Anyway, I hadn't had my EEG done in a long, long time, and I was just in California, and I was really curious because I can... So my machine at home is programmed. The protocol is just for my brain, specifically for my brain, based off my EEG. And so I wanted to get a new EEG updated so I can update my protocol at home so it works on my brain how it is now, instead of how it was two years ago. I didn't know if there was a difference or not. So I got an EEG the other day, talked to a neuroscience for like half an hour on a zoom call. He walked me through my chart for my EEG two years ago, my chart now.

1:58:54And he's like, what have you been doing? And I'm like, oh, I've had some, you know, I have a machine at home doing my brain treatment, but I'm never home. I don't do that much. And he was like, what, is there anything else that could like, like, make your brain better? Because we're seeing significant improvements in your brain function. It is wild. And I've noticed it. I've noticed like more mental clarity, better mood. And I've done a couple different things. I told them about the stem cell treatment, but it was right before that. So I don't think that there was a correlation between my current stem cell treatment and this EEG.

1:59:28And he's like, what else have you been doing? And I told him I started TRT just over a year ago. And after I started TRT, I saw a sick, I felt a significant improvement in my mood and my mental clarity and my energy. Well, that is one of the things that happens with concussions, especially multiple concussions, is it damages your endocrine system, damages the pituitary gland, which is apparently very sensitive. And my good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who's done a lot of work on traumatic brain injuries with veterans and football players and fighters, they've found that a significant number of them suffer from low testosterone and low hormones because their brain is just not producing them correctly anymore because it's been damaged.

2:00:11And by replenishing those with testosterone replacement therapy and hormone replacement therapy They've alleviated a lot of the problems of people out suicidal ideation A lot of like significant depression issues that they've been able to mitigate yeah with hormone replacement It's amazing though that we have like there's that even an option these days. It's incredible incredible Well, we're in the right time. Yeah with stem cells with TRT with hormone replacement with with the understanding of nutrition and with this brain machine that you're using, these treatments, we're in a good time for that.

2:00:42We're very, very fortunate. I'm thankful. I'm grateful for that. Did we live in the 50s? We'd be fucked. Just think about your knee surgery. Like my good friend Steve Graham, he was on the U .S. ski team in the 1980s. And he had, I mean, he's had some fucking, I don't want to butcher this. I think he's had 70 surgeries. He's had his whole life. He's had his shoulders replaced. He's got two artificial knees. Like everything. but his legs, like the size of his legs, are just covered in scars from these old school surgeries, where they would open you up like a fish and take a chunk of your hamstring and fucking drill it in place, and it would last for a little while.

2:01:20I'm blow out, you have to go and do it again. Modern medicine's insane. It's insane. How precise and like, it's so predictable, they know it's gonna work. Like my surgeon for my knee was like, dude, you're like tripping on this for no reason, Shane. like don't be a bitch. It's just, you know what I mean? He's like, I do this every single day, multiple times a day. Your knee's gonna be amazing. Like 50 years ago, like you said, it would have changed my life. I never would have surfed the same ever again. I could surf at a really high level still. And it's insane. We're very, very, very lucky to be living in the time we're living in.

2:01:54Even though there's a lot of problems. When I lived in Boston in, I guess it was 1986, 1986. I was 19 and I was working at the Boston Athletic Club. It was the healthcare club in South Boston. And I was a trainer, like showing people how to use machines and stuff like that and putting people through workouts. And Bobby Orr, the famous hockey player, was there. Bobby Orr's knees were so bad because he had so many surgeries that he couldn't straighten his legs out. His knees were always bent and he would walk with this kind of like robotic shuffle. And we to help him get on the Versa Climber machine.

2:02:32He literally couldn't get on it by himself. I mean, this is like one of the greatest hockey players of all time. And his knees were so destroyed. And he had these knee braces he would wear, but he would play racquetball. And he would like go for a ball and just fall down. He just like couldn't stand up. So crazy. Crazy. Imagine that guy had stem cells. Yeah. Or like modern surgery. Yeah, modern surgery. If they had modern knee reconstruction like they have today, where they put a cadaver graft in there, they fix it. They're even able to do cadaver meniscus now, which is crazy. I'm missing meniscus on my left knee.

2:03:05I had a pretty significant tear of my left meniscus. So it was called a bucket handle tear, where the ACL reconstructed in 94, I think. And then in 2003, I believe, they scooped out the meniscus because they tried to sew it back together, but it kept tearing and then it would lock up. a bucket handle tears is weird, you know what it is? It folds over and locks and plays my knee with a lock and is agonizing. So the only way they fix that is they would just cut out the meniscus. So now I'm missing a chunk of meniscus so the knee is kind of compromised. It's like a little wobbly and every now and then swells but at least it's functional.

2:03:47I can deal with a little discomfort if my knee is functional. So the knee, the structure of the knee is very solid. It's very strong. I could do all kinds of things. things, my hike through the mountains, I can kick the bag, but I have to deal with a little bit of pain and discomfort. But now they're able to, they can do graphs where they'll take meniscus. But it's generally only effective for people that are like 40 and under. I think that's the age. I think as you get older, it becomes more and more of a problem with blood flow. I don't know if that's the same with everyone. I mean, I don't know if that's the same with me as a person, someone who's sedentary.

2:04:21I don't know. I don't understand why I would have less blood flow. as much as I exercise in comparison to a person who's like 20 years old and sedentary with hormone replacement with all the other things that I do supplements all the different things that I do petal. The way you live. Yeah, the diet, the regular sauna use, cold punches. So many things that I do that keep my body healthy. Your health picture probably looks pretty similar to somebody like in their 30s or something. If you look at your overall health. Well I know for a fact the way my body functions it's very similar because like Like the other day I did eight rounds on the bag and I was thinking, like I don't even think of the fact that I'm 56.

2:05:02I just think of techniques. I'm just thinking, oh, boom, boom, boom. I'm not thinking of like, oh my God, I'm 56. Be careful. All I'm thinking of is just fucking, you know, 30 seconds left, push, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm not thinking about it. It's like amazing to not have to worry about your body. To be careful, be smart, train hard, exercise hard, recover hard, nutrition supplements, all that jazz. But at the end of the day, I have a very functional body at 56. When I was a kid, I thought you were dead when you were 56. I didn't think you'd be jacked and strong and healthy and have all this energy and do two shows a night at the comedy club and do five podcasts a week and do all the other shit that I do in life.

2:05:45And feel great. I feel fucking great. Guys in their 50s are functioning at a super high level now. It's just awesome. It's amazing. And the cool thing about it is like, if you talk to like Andrew Huberman, the stuff that he talks about, it's not a rich guy thing. It's really not. Like a lot of people assume it is, but like waking up in the morning and getting sunlight right away. Like training, food, running a little bit, you know, sleeping good. That's all stuff that you can do, even if you don't have Like a lot of you know, you don't have to be super wealthy to even and like even though Even like the hormone replacement thing if you're if you're 50 years old or older or whatever Even that is super inexpensive To us to be super inexpensive.

2:06:31Yeah, I didn't know that when I was younger. I had no idea Especially when you consider how much money people spend on booze. Yeah, you've got to a bar crazy You drink for a night. You're fucking spending hundreds of dollars on drinks. That's your whole That's months of hormone replacement. Yeah, one night at the bar and my and my testosterone is interesting because I wasn't really low Denise is my doctor and you know, I did my my blood work and we looked at everything and and mine wasn't really low for my age I didn't really look into it until it was right before 50 years old for those listening And I don't really think you should until you until you you know get a lot older but But I was at a pretty good level, but I wasn't like in an optimal level and she's like, you should probably just try it to see how you feel.

2:07:16See how you feel? There's no downside of trying it. So it's like, I do a cream. Cream on the nuts before I go to sleep. Super simple. Take a little clicker. Click, click, click. And then I also supplement vitamin D, which is a hormone, and I supplement DHA, which is a hormone. A hormone. DHAs. I believe it is from the thyroid. Is it thyroid? No, not thyroid. Can you look it up, Jamie? D -A -G -A is from a adrenal gland. A adrenal gland. And I think that's where your testosterone and estrogen are created. So I take those three. D -A -G -A does the testosterone. I take those as well as well as peptides.

2:08:05I take peptides that stimulate your body's production of human growth hormone, IGF, and then BPC157, which is really good for recovering from soft tissue injuries. That stuff is amazing. Yeah, I did that with my knee for six months. It's amazing. Yeah, it's great. There's so many different things that they know now that work. Like I said, we're super super fortunate to be at this time. I've had I've had doctors tell me that the BPC 157 that there's no scientific data to back it up and that it's Focus, and every single high -level athlete that I know when they get injured they get on BPC 157. Yeah, those doctors are crack Yeah, they're cracked because it's not true.

2:08:46There's plenty of studies Like I've had conversations with doctors like oh, well the saline works just as effective. No, it doesn't No, it doesn't like you don't you're not an athlete look at you fat fuck What is it when someone in the NBA or in the UFC, they get injured. Yeah. Well, that's what I hope you recover. Issues with the UFC in Usada was, I talked to Jeff Novitsky about this, who was the head of the UFC's anti -drug program. And what he was saying is like, Usada won't allow these athletes to take BPC1570, things that's wrong. You've got to give them the opportunity to recover from injuries.

2:09:23And it's not a drug, it's an amino acid stack, right? It's a peptide. and it helps your body heal. It really works. And there are studies on, I mean, when you, when you talk to someone like Andrew Hubertman, he's very high on that stuff. And he's about as legit as you can get. Yeah, and he's, he cites only data and current data. He's up on the latest. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Thank God there's people that came out there. Thank God. Yeah, amazing that we have that as a resource. For free on YouTube. Jacks scientist. Yeah, that's what you want. You look at that dude. He looks like he should be fighting in the UFC.

2:09:53And he's not selling anything. He's just like a frickin' Neuroscientist, scientist, health professional and he's just strictly going on data It's on his feelings. He's very careful about not being associated with anything in terms of like what can compromise It's good on him. Yeah, good on him. It's so important to have people like him out there Peter at Diaz amazing as well. Yeah, it's good friend of mine. Yeah, yeah, he's I love his bow hunter as well Is he really? Yeah, so cool. Oh, he loves it. Yeah, he just got back from Colorado You know, I'll have a lot of fun with him before. We went to Texas, deer hunting out here.

2:10:31He's great. He's an awesome guy. Do you have high cholesterol because of your diet at all? I don't. I'm quote, I cholesterol from what people think is high cholesterol. No. In fact, I got my cholesterol tested at one point in time. The doctor thought that I was on anti -cholesterol or little cholesterol medication. That's surprising. I just not dietary cholesterol is not really what the issue is. I mean, I'm the wrong person to talk about this. But, you know, obviously there's people that are, they have genetic issues. There's different body types. There's different predispositions to high cholesterol and coronary artery disease and a lot of different things.

2:11:15It really, I think it depends entirely on the individual, but I do not think that the food that's eaten by 95 % of the people in the world is the problem, which is meat. The most nutrient -dense food in the world is the food. Well, the process food is the problem. Process food. Yeah. Process food, overabundance of a calorie -rich, simple carbohydrates that people consume on a regular basis, fructose corn syrup, all that shit is terrible for you. And that's the problem with these epidemiology studies is that when they ask a person, like, how many days a week do you eat meat? And you say, well, look, if you show the people that are eating meat five days a week, there's a higher instances of cancer.

2:11:55Yeah, well, let's break down what else they do. How many of those people are drinking every night? How many of those people are smoking cigarettes? How many of those people are eating the high -processed food with that meat? How many of them? What is the form that meat comes in? You know, does it come in a Burger King, Whopper, or is it from Grass -Fed steak, and broccoli? Big difference. Yeah, big fucking difference. Big fucking difference. There's just so many factors that lead in all I know. I'm not telling you how to live, I'm not telling anybody how. All I know is how I live is the best way for me.

2:12:27I have never had better results than the way I eat. And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of people that eat the way I eat now. And it seems counterintuitive based on conventional, medical advice, but I'm all in, you know, and I feel fucking great. Yeah, well you look great and you live great, you know, you have more energy than anyone I know. You're so damn busy and ridiculous. You do so much. You're like a busiest guy ever. I'm busy but I'm happy. Yeah, well it's all good things. It's all good things. Yeah, it's all things I enjoy. And as things you're choosing to do. Exactly. And I keep you young.

2:13:01That's the difference. Well they keep you engaged, you know, but you gotta be careful. You know, you got to be very smart and taking care of your meat vehicle. This is the thing that you use to travel through this life. You know, we only got one of them. Yeah, allegedly. Yeah. You don't get to read it as far as I know. No, you might. I don't know. Who knows what happens when you die. It's all just guesswork. But right now, you know you're alive. Take care of yourself. You can't. It's possible to do. You just have to be dedicated to it. And it has to be a thing that is just a normal part of your life, like brushing your taking a shower, normal stuff.

2:13:38So, gotta be a part of your life. Well, and we have guys like that guy, Mark Sisson. How old is he? He's in 60s, right? He's in the 70s. 70s. He's fucking great. He's setting the bar high. Yeah. Really high. I like that. Full of energy. Very healthy. Vibrant. Yeah. Super sharp. Yeah. And again, that company, that Primal Kitchen, this fucking great company. It's healthy choices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a, again, we're very fortunate that there's enough alternative sources of information where people do have the data and they do understand, like, cut through all the, like, there's so many people that are still poisoned by the studies that the sugar industry funded in, like, whatever it was, the 1950s or the 1960s, where they bribe scientists to say that coronary artery disease is caused by saturated fat, which is just not true.

2:14:31What it was was sugar and they knew that these people were over consuming processed foods in sugar And that was leading to the decay in their health and they passed the buck on desaturated fat And they got people eating that fucking margarine bullshit and I can't believe it's not butter and all that crap Thinking that they were doing better that they were being healthier than actual butter, which is actually good for you You remember when we were kids we were told butter and eggs were bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, remember the food pyramid Yeah, the bottom of it was all bread. Yes I watched a snippet of a TED talk recently, and it was like a health, a health like a longevity expert, and he was talking about health and longevity.

2:15:11And he said, if someone told me that they wanted to get diabetes as fast as possible, they would, I would tell them to eat the food pyramid. Wow. Yeah. It's pretty wild. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. It's so crazy. Which is thinking about how many kids grew up with sugary cereals. Yeah. How many kids? Yeah, me too. You're getting kids addicted at an early age to sugar. It's changing their gut biome. It's getting them craving this bullshit. That's not even food. Sharger's powerful, man. It's so powerful. I'll eat a whole, that's my biggest weakness. I'll eat a whole, I'll eat a small little breakfast, super healthy.

2:15:50I'll wait until one o 'clock. I'll train, I'll go surf, do all this healthy shit, and I'll wait till one o 'clock, I'll make myself like four eggs, a big venison burger, and avocado, that's it. That's great. And I'll mac that whole thing. Plenty of food, right? I don't know, a thousand calories or something. The second I'm done, I get like a little bit of sugar cravings, and I'll be like, like walking by my freezer and I'll be like, I'll make a little aci -boil, little sweet treat. I'll make a aci -boil that's like a, I'll put like way protein in the aci, and I'll blend that up and I'll put it in a bowl with granola, berries, bananas, honey, and peanut butter on top.

2:16:36Sounds really good, but it's like pure sugar and it's huge. And it's just like a sugar, I'm not hungry at all, it's just a sugar craving, but it's powerful. Yeah, you can over consume because of sugar. So easily. Very easily. Yeah, that's my biggest, that's my biggest spice. Yeah, you have no vices, what are your vices? So there's food. Now it's the guards I guess is the vice, but food. Food. Yeah, my biggest, look I'm trying to. Not right now. No. Well, I just cut it off. But if I let myself go, it's pasta. It's lasagna. Yeah. Linguini. Italian. Yeah, Italian vibes. I'm fucking, I'll go hard.

2:17:15But then there's also like, the difference between the pasta that we get over here in the pasta in Europe. Yeah. You know, when they use that heirloom wheat, they use ancient grains. It's like they're not fucked with the way that we fuck with them over here where they increase the yield per acre So they change what the the grains are and more high more complex glutins your body It's harder for your body to process. Yeah, it's more inflammation and it's covered in glyphosate. Oh, yeah That's another big one. That's another big one that no one wants to investigate That scares you shit out of people and there's so many apologists that are tied to the fucking and pesticide industry and the herbicide industry, it's so scary.

2:17:53So many people that want to downplay the fact that - That's pretty heavy. No, they did a study recently and they found that 90 something percent of people have glyphosate in their blood. They think about that all the time, and it's so terrifying. It has such, such gnarly health, like negative health impact. I mean, it's crazy. I was, before I came here, I was watching YouTube, I got down a rabbit hole and it was like a little thing. it was like a documentary about there's this massive upswing in the amount of people in their 20s and 30s that are taking Viagra. So men in their 20s are taking Viagra.

2:18:28Super, super common. They're saying it's because their testosterone has dropped so much that it's really difficult for them to perform sexually. Well, there's also microplastics. Microplastics, which is... Michael, microprosic, are some of the biggest things. Yeah, there's a lot of things that are disrupting our endocrine system. Yeah. Well, I talk about a lot of time, but there's a doctor, Dr. Shana Swan, who wrote this book called Countdown. And she makes this connection between the introduction of petrochemical products and people using them, like microwaving with plastic and plastic bottles and all these different things that leach, plastic and chemicals into your, and the direct decrease of male testosterone, the shrinking of human beings' taints when they're babies, which is a direct indicator of whether someone's a male or a female, in males, in mammals, the teen is 50 to 100 % larger than females, but they're shrinking.

2:19:25And then also miscarriages in women, there's a much higher incidence of miscarriages and infertility. And she thinks a lot of it is directly attributable to these plastics and these thalates, these these different chemicals that get into the bloodstream. All of our food comes in plastic. Yeah, it's fucking awful for us. What a weird world we live in. You know, billions and billions of people, we have to feed all of them. So we use monocrop agriculture. So we've ruined the top soils. We're using industrial fertilizers and all that stuff pours off with rainfall and gets into the rivers. And there's so few farmers that have decided that people like White Oaks pastors like Will Harris, a guy I've had on his podcast.

2:20:09I've talked about this too many times, but I'll say it one more time. There's a video that shows the difference between his farm and the neighboring farm. His farm is an industrialized farm, or the farm next to him, rather, is an industrialized farm, and his farm is a regenerative farm. And it shows when rainfall hits and the water rushes through the top soil. And his neighbor's farm, it's polluting the river, like very clearly. The line of a very clear line of property between his farm and the neighboring farm and what it's doing to the environment. Just polluting rivers with pesticides, herbicides, industrial fertilizer, all that runoff and it just gets right into the rivers, killing fish and.

2:20:52Has an impact over the decade, the last couple decades. So there's us consuming it all? This is the river that runs near his property. So this is his neighbor's property and look at his property. Look at the difference. It's fucking bonkers, man. When you see the clear difference between the two places, I mean, it's a direct line. Yeah, that stuff has an impact, man. Yeah, it really does. Well, and I don't know what the fuck we can do to mitigate it at this point. You can eat all elk. Yeah, all elk. But not everybody can. No. That's the thing. I've heard that argument before. You're old, they're honing for your food, but everybody can't hunt for the food.

2:21:27Right. But you can't ask everybody to. But you, as an individual, you can make healthier choices. And healthier choices is buying food from regenerative farms. There's plenty of them in Texas. There's plenty of them that exist. There's polyphase farms. There's white oaks, pastures. They deliver to you. There's plenty of regenerative agriculture. There's a company that I work with, Carnivore Snacks. It's like my favorite. If I need to run out the door and I'm looking for something healthy that I have to eat like of them I car, They have these carnivore snacks. It's sliced rib -eye. It's just rib -eye with salt and They it's almost like a meat pastry.

2:22:08It's not like jerky. It's so delicious and it's got fat on it and I Bring them to the UFC like when I'm at the UFC and I have to sit there for six hours That's what I eat I eat those and it's from a regenerative farm like you can find healthy choices Maybe those healthy choices aren't available to 8 billion people. Yes, that's true But you as an individual can choose to use those healthy choices in your life. And if you can't afford them, this is your health. Do the best that you can to make sure that you get the healthiest food in your body. Do the best. No doubt. And it's never been easier to find them either.

2:22:43It's so much more widely available than it was even just a few years ago. People are so much more conscious of it now. You know, when we grew up, people used to really believe that, oh, just eat a balanced diet. You don't need to do anything. Like, oh, yeah. What is a balanced diet? Like, what are you saying? Yeah, and talking about the food here. Do you get a blood work done? Do you know, like how your body's functioning? Do you know how it's optimized? Getting your blood work done is super important. Way more so than I would have thought, like 10 years ago. No, I think so too. My wife kept telling me, gotta get your blood work done, gotta get blood work done.

2:23:16All the stuff you're eating, everything, how you're living, you wanna see that picture. I would have never thought I was deficient in a bunch of stuff. Crazy vitamin D. Yeah, that's a weird one. I would have never imagined that a surfer is deficient in vitamin D. I feel great. Yeah, well that's good, dude. You look great. I'm really interested to hear your results from this insane stem cell regimen. Yeah, I'll keep you posted. I've been doing it. I don't do the selfie video thing pretty much ever on my social media stuff. It's just super cringy and something I don't feel comfortable with, but I've been doing it lately.

2:23:51So I've been trying to share my experience and kind of just tell my story about what I'm doing, where I'm going, how I'm feeling, and sharing my protocol. Just because I have a lot of personal friends around my age that are pretty beat up, and some of our are considering surgery, and everybody's got aches and pains and injuries. So I'm trying to share it for them, and then I just had an incredible amount of feedback from people who wanna know more. I feel like from all the stuff that I'm doing and learning, I can help maybe demystify the stem cell thing. it seems pretty misunderstood. So I don't know everything there is to know about STEM, so I'm not pretending that I do.

2:24:31But what I'm finding out I'm trying to share with people, so I'll try and keep you posted. That's awesome, dude. Please do. And I really want to hear what it does for your back, because the disc thing is very interesting, because I do know that there have been some examples of people that have had these injections and that have increased their disc space, where the discs have actually grown. So people that are suffering from regenerative disc disease and we're told that they might need fusions or they might need an artificial disk. They've managed to stop that. That's awesome. I have a friend named Mike Eskamea.

2:25:04He's kind of like me, but in a BMX category. So he was like an ex -game's athlete, like a BMX guy. Super high level athlete, energetic, really fit, beautiful young family, kids, and his back got worse and worse and to where he could barely get out of bed, couldn't work, couldn't like live his normal life. I got so bad to where he was like really, really depressed. And he went, that's part of the reason I got stem cells recently, but he went to the same place, CPI, the place I went to in Mexico, and got the stem cell injections in his back. And 10 months later, full life changer, full on. He's like thriving, he's living virtually pain free.

2:25:47Like I talked to him on the phone, like four weeks ago, because I wanted to kind of see what the process was like. And he's like, I'm not joking dude. You're gonna trip out on your back. I didn't, my back was not nearly as bad as his was, but yeah, he was like a change my whole life. How often can you do it? Did you ask them like how many times you can go back? I don't think there's really a limit. I don't think you can do it really consistently, but I know people who go there for the IVs all the time. They go once a month for stem cell IVs. And then the fighters, all the UFC guys, like there was a couple different fighters there when I was there.

2:26:23And they go after every fight. Wow. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I mean, you have to be proactive about recovery when you deal with a fucking sport like that. And, you know, it's just such a shame that you have to go to another country to get that done. It really is. Yeah. The cool thing is they have a cartilage specific stem cell now. I was going to tell you that about your meniscus because my understanding is your meniscus is a lot of cartilage, right? But they have a cartilage specific stem cell now. Really? Yeah. What is that? And there was, I forget the name of it. It starts with an M. But a bunch of people when I was there were getting the cartilage stem cell based on their MRIs.

2:27:00So if they had cartilage issues and their doctor felt like they did, they would give you the option of adding cartilage stem cells to your injections. So that's something I think about. Well, keep me posted. I will. Let me know if you know I've got a bunch of back issues. I've been able to mitigate them you know and they don't bother me nearly as much as they did when I was younger because I'm very proactive about strengthening my back. I do like this whole core series where it's like I'd strengthen all the muscles in my back and my neck and use the iron neck and all the sides to do everything.

2:27:37The core stuff helps a lot. It helps a lot. Just keep that whole area stable and strong and reinforce it. Anyway brother. Good to see you. This was fun man. Always fun. Always fun. Always good to see you. Keep me posted. I'm really really excited. I might have to travel down there myself. Yeah. Alright, thanks. Bye everybody.