#2054 - Elon Musk

33:46But this is actually false. The earth could take probably ten times the current civilization. The population could be, you could 10x the population without destroying the environment forest. So the environmental movement, and I'm an environmentalist, has gone too far. They've gone way too far. If you start thinking that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans should die out. Now, I'm headed to an AI safety, international sort of AI safety conference, latest night, leaving in about three hours.

34:23And I don't know, I meet with the Burj Prime Minister and a number of other people. So you have to say, like, how could AI go wrong? Well, if AI gets programmed by the extinctionists, it will, its utility function will be the extinction of humanity. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, particularly if... They won't even think it's bad, like that guy. But, yeah. If you let us guess up... There's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to eugenics. Well, there would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them to survive, that maybe detrimental in terms of pollution and things like that.

35:07But it may be the only solution they have in their area. I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources. But... There's no shortage of power. Like we talked about solar power for cars. The issue is that cars just have a very low -sauce area. But you could actually power the entire United States with a 100 -mile -spot, 100 -miles -of -solar. Really? Yes. So you could just pick some dead -spot that you've filed over... I would say plenty. Cover that sucker up with solar panels and charge the whole country. Absolutely. 24 -7. We did batteries, but yes.

35:44Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's not hard. I mean, meaning it's like... It's very feasible. In fact, I mean, the Sun is converting over 4 million tons of mass to energy every second. And it's no maintenance. That thing just works. We have a giant fusion reactor in the sky. That is the Sun. In fact, people like... Someone's like, well, what about in a radiation? I'm like, the Sun is literally a nuclear reactor in the sky. Yeah. Are you scared to go in daylight? Hahaha. Rocks of radiation. Yes. The radiation risk is greatly overestimated. You know. I was wondering why radiation is always bad in real life, but it was awesome in comic books.

36:32Yeah. Exactly. You get to get the virus. You get to get to the spider and suddenly you have spider abilities. Get hit with gamma rays. You get to the hole. If you're a radioactive cockroach, you'll be like the cockroach man. Yeah, you can get it. You're one of the X -Men. Yeah. Yeah. I think the problem is like most of us don't understand what radiation is. And so it just sounds like a mysterious, invisible death ray. Well, it's almost like drugs. Like we think of it. We put a blanket over it. It's all one thing. You know, radiation is Chernobyl. Right. I mean, the things you can go to, you can actually tour Chernobyl right now.

37:06So, it's great. You can actually go to the meltdown. Well, I mean, there's some war zone, but apart from that, the issue is more getting shot than it is. You don't have a radiation risk. The problem is like, I think when people don't understand what radiation is, they just, they can't see it, they can't feel it. They think, well, I could just die at any moment from a magic death ray. You know, I've had people say, like, oh, the radiation from their phone is going to hurt them or they're scared of the microwave. I'm like, when you say radiation, do you mean particles of photons? And if you mean photons, what wavelength?

37:40And then like, I don't know what you mean. They don't know anything about that. Right. They just have, they're afraid of the term. Yes. But it's because of three -mile island and Fukushima. We've been told. Yeah, but nobody died of radiation from Fukushima. It's not one person. True. In fact, but I was asked by people in California, like when Fukushima happened, whether the radiation would get to California. I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And so, actually, to help support Japan, I flew to Fukushima and ate locally grown vegetables on TV. Mm. And I'm still alive. I have a friend who's very smart, but he won't eat fish out of the Pacific, because he's worried about the radiation from Fukushima.

38:22Yeah, that's irrational. There is no physics substance to that, I would say, at all, not even slightly. I'm going to send him this clip. Yes. Go back to the solution place, bro. No, you should be. Okay. If you eat too much tuna, you're going to have mercury. Yes, correct. Mercury poisoning from tuna is a real thing. You can get arsenic from Sardines, too. I've found that out the hard way. Really? Yeah. Too many Sardines. Yeah, I got my blood work done. And the doctor says you have arsenic in your blood. And I go with someone poisoning me, he goes, and that's very low level. He's like, is your girlfriend angry?

38:58He's like, is your girlfriend angry? He's like, is it a lot of fish? And I said, yeah, he'd like three cans of Sardines a night. That's a lot of Sardines, bro. Yeah, I love Sardines. Oh, yeah, it's the three. I love them. I really do. I always love Sardines. Okay. I love them. But turns out, like, you can't eat too much of it, because they're not good for you. Yeah. I mean, a little Sardines wants to know how, but not three cans a night. Well, for me, it's like, I come home late from the comedy club, but I want something easy to eat. No, I don't want to stop. So open a can of Sardines. So open up a few cans of Sardines.

39:27And I'll, you know, watch a little TV, eat a few cans of Sardines. I'll shoot it every night. And then I stopped doing it, and I got my blood work done a couple of months later, it was gone. Yeah. So, what do you think Sardines? I attribute his really, really, uh, pep -up a Caesar salad. Yeah, they do. I'm a fan of anchovies as well. Yeah. One of my favorite pizzas ever is pineapple and anchovy. Okay. Double pineapple, double anchovy. It's amazing. It's the sweet and the salty, and then you get the tomato sauce and the cheese. My favorite pizza. It's really good. I mean, as a kid, I was like very much against Hawaiian pizza, and as an adult, I like it.

40:04Hawaiian's good, but I'm telling you, anchovies and pineapple is the bomb diggity. That's the bomb diggity. That's the bomb diggity. Wait, can we order some right now? Is that feasible? I bet we good. Okay, let's try it. Bebysack. Yeah. I can do it like a, we'll have someone out there. Have Jeff order a very large pizza with double pineapple, double anchovies. Great. Fantastic. I'm hungry. Fuckin' go. Let's go. They're time like the present. Enjoy life. Well, there's gotta be a good spot around here. Tell me you find a good spot, and tell them what's for us. They'll cook it up. If they, well, if they, well, they're just on the pizza.

40:45Tell them what they're, they'll mention their name. Tell them what they're, they'll mention their name on the podcast. They're telemeters. Yeah. Telemeters, fuck it. If they're gonna close, tell them what, they'll mention their name. Like, what is this, what is the salty sauce that's so mysterious? Oh, no. I told them it's us. Good call. Yeah, tell them it's us. Make sure you don't buy it from any limbo. What is the salty tangy sauce? Don't buy it from East Austin. Don't buy from anyone who still wears a mask. There's a lot of them out there. There's still a lot of them out there. There's still a mask step.

41:23It's wild. Yeah, once in a while, I see someone paranoid. On the street. Yeah. I saw a guy on the street the other day just walking around with a mask. I'm like, okay, buddy, you look like you're about 28 years old. Yeah. I think you're gonna be okay. You're probably not gonna be okay breathing that fucking same air in that mask. And all the bacteria you're spitting out. It's attaching to that cloth. Yeah. Masks are not like some magic health shield. I mean, there are times where a mask warranted like if a surgeon is operating on you or whatever, then what the surgeon's spitting in your wound.

41:58Of course. But most of the time a mask is not good for you. If you can breathe out of it, that means you're breathing in. That means you're also exhaling. So how much is it filtering? Like what is it? Particles. It's like a mask is much like a shield in battle in that it'll help protect you a little bit from arrows and stuff, but it doesn't make you arrow groove. We're just talking about shooting arrows. Right. So I mean, at that time. I mean, when masks are warranted, but most of the time it's actually counterproductive. Well, that was one of the things about the old Twitter was the propaganda.

42:38And the adherence to whatever the CDC was saying and the dismissing of legitimate scientists, guys like Jay Batacara from Stanford and legit guys. Yes. And they were suppressing them and even banning them. They banned Alex Berencine. I mean, it was wild. They banned Alex for essentially reading peer -reviewed papers. Yeah. No, I mean, all Twitter was basically an arm of the government. Yeah. So was that shocking? Like, what was that like? Because to me, that was the most bizarre. Was the Twitter files when you let Shellenburg and Matt Taiibi and all those guys get in the Twitter and the response where Matt Taiibi gets audited.

43:25I mean, which is just wild. I mean, it's just so blatant and so in your face. Yeah, it's weird. No, I mean, yeah, the reader which, and by the way, Jack didn't really know this, but the reader which Twitter was simply an arm of the government was not well understood by the public. And it was, there was no, it was whatever the official go, and it was like Provda basically. You know, a state publication is the way to think of all Twitter. It was a state publication. And was the justification from their perspective that they are progressive liberals. They have the right intentions. It's important that they stay in power.

44:07The progressive liberals stay in government and power because this is the, this is their. There was, there was basically oppression of any, any views that would even, I would say, be considered middle of the road. But certainly anything on the right, I'm talking about like, like far right. I'm just talking mildly right. The people like Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats. Now, that's because old Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the far left. It was like completely controlled by the, the far left. And that's why I say like, like San Francisco Berkeley is a niche ideology.

44:49It's hard to say like, is there a place that's more far left than San Francisco Berkeley? Maybe Portland. Maybe Portland, but it's like, it's like right there. Yeah, it's like, it's close to places are the most far left places in America. Yes. So from their standpoint, everything is to the right, including moderates. Right. Right. So, now, if, if, if you internalize a far left position, everything seems wrong to you that if, that is not far left. Right. And so they naturally oppressed anything that didn't agree with their views. That's why I say that it was an accidental far left information weapon.

45:37So, it's because it's like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest engineers, the smartest sort of technologist and programmers from around the world. They created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the far left, who could not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be collocated where the technologists were. It happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it. The technologists generally are moderate, maybe moderate left, but they're not far left. That's why I say San Francisco Berkeley, it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to Palo Alto. So, so SF Berkeley is the most far left.

46:20Perhaps, you know, in a competition with Portland, but I'd say SF Berkeley is more far left even than Portland. Like literally in America, it's, we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10 mile radius. And so the normally the, the effects, the negative effects of a far left ideology that is would be geographically limited to a 10 mile radius. That's like not, it's small, like that, so any bad effects of that ideology would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past. But when you have basically a technological megaphone, which was quitter and social media in general, suddenly the, the far left are handed a megaphone to Earth.

47:12An incredibly powerful technology weapon that they themselves could not create, but they happen to be collocated with the technologists who created it by accident. Is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is? I think some people understand. Some people do. Some people understand. So, I mean, from the standpoint of some people who used to be a Twitter, the people like, well, it's a big shift to the right. That is correct. It is a shift to the right because everything is to the right if you're far left. Everything is to the right. But it's, but how many far left people have actually been suspended or ban from Twitter now X zero?

48:00So, it's really just moved to the center, but from the perspective of the far left, it is, it's moved to the right. It's like everything is relative. The, the, the difference in moderation is propagated that far left philosophy, not just to America, but to everywhere on Earth. Right. Yeah. And with the same level suppression in other countries as well. Yes. But the Taliban is on Twitter.

48:32Like, I always think of like, hey, Mr. Taliban, telling me about it. Hey, Mr. Taliban. I mean, there's definitely some people on Twitter that are, they're like, come in, I want to go. Yeah. So, the point at the point is that I, for my standpoint, that is that X, FK, Twitter should represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity. So, now that, that means that they're going to be views on there that you don't like or disagree with.

49:15But that's humanity. So, are you going to exclude them or not? Now, I mean, if somebody, you know, breaks the law, then the, the account is suspended. I mean, if they actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended. We do have what would call like the kind of United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have say, the IOTO. Who, you know, would prefer that Israel didn't exist, for example. And, but he's a lot of go to the UN building in New York. And, in fact, generally officials from Iran do, in fact, go to the UN building in New York, even though they're a heavily sanctioned country.

50:04So, I think that there's, there's merit to having, just like this merit, there's some merit to the UN. One can disagree with the UN, and I think one, we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to. But, in fact, that's risky for civilization. But I think you do want to have the leaders of countries represented on social media. You want to hear what they have to say, even if you, what they say is terrible. I think that is true across the board. And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's humanity. And it's, I think it's important that a social media platform, especially the biggest one, represents humanity.

50:45So, we understand what we're talking about. Because we have this distorted idea of what people think and want and need, because everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble. And anything outside of that bubble gets censored. Yes. Then that changes, literally changes the tone of the entire country. Yes. Changes what people think is okay, and not okay, makes people feel differently. Yes. It's not humanity, it's different. It's a very forced version of humanity. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, the whole point of free speech, the only free speech is only relevant. The first amendment is only relevant if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like.

51:29Because if you like it, you don't need a first amendment. So the whole point of free speech is that frankly even people you hate say things you hate. Because if they can say things that you hate, that means that they can't stop you from saying what you want to say. Right. Which is very, very important. Right. But the problem with Twitter was it was not the case. Correct. It was people that you hate couldn't say. Anyone they didn't like this answer. Yeah. Or what's called deamplify. Well, not just deamplify, but under the best of the government would suppress real news, which was very bizarre. Yeah.

52:10So they were very aware of something being accurate and they still suppressed it because the government wanted them to suppress it. I mean, it might be that they've been severe first amendment violations by multiple government agencies. And there should be repercussions for that. And is it, is it a different laws apply because it's a privately owned social media company? I mean, what laws do apply in terms of like, what you're looking at it? If the government arguments that the leftists would use is it's a private company they could do whatever they want. Yeah, it's funny that when the shoes on the other foot they now say the private company can't do whatever it wants.

52:49Well, yeah, another upset. No, it's like, but the government itself is not allowed to censor speech. But in my view, the government de facto did censor speech and this should at least be a case where that is heard by the public. Because if the government severely coerces a platform, a sort of coerces the press, then I think that it should be a first amendment violation. Well, they can't do it with other media forms, right? They're not allowed to do it with any other. They're not allowed to do that with a newspaper or the get in trouble. Well, good day. You know, that's the question. It's like what you didn't know about the federal government.

53:42You didn't know about the intelligence agencies inside of Twitter until we found out. Like, do you think that this is ubiquitous? It's absolutely all the social media companies. In fact, right now, X, or if you know, put me on Twitter, is the only one that is not cow -tying to the government. It's the only one. All the others just do exactly what the government wants. That is wild. What I was getting at, do you think that that's everywhere? Do you think that that's CNN? Do you think that that's the New York Times? Do you think that that's the Washington Post? Because if they were going to infiltrate media, they're going to infiltrate social media.

54:21I mean, it is weird that a greedy rich the media is in lockstep. Like, why is the media in lockstep? And why doesn't the media question the government? They used to. Right. Why don't they do that anymore? It seems weird. Something doesn't add up. Well, there seems like there's a bunch of factors, right? I think one of the big factors is pharmaceutical drug companies allowed to advertise on television. And we're one of two countries in the world that allowed that. I actually agree with pharmaceutical advertising provided is truthful. Because there could be some drug that is helpful to someone. But obviously the claims need to be accurate.

54:58So I actually think pharmaceutical advertising, if it is accurate, I think it actually, you know, play a devil's advocate here. I think pharmaceutical advertising is generally accurate. I think that's actually okay. Now, I should say that a lot of the censorship that we see is coming from indirectly from advertisers and advertising agencies and from PR companies. Who want a particular viewpoint pushed. Or are being driven by nonprofits to push a particular, what will happen is there's a group of nonprofits or that push advertisers to advertise or not advertise them, take a platform. You know, you want to often hear of the sort of George Soros bookie man.

55:52But I mean, Soros actually, you know, he is, I believe the Tull contributor to the Democratic Party. The second one was Sam Baklothree. And Soros, I don't know. I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing. And I, in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity. That's my opinion. Really? Yeah. I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization. You know, getting D .A.'s elected who refused to prosecute crime. That's probably the problem in San Francisco, NLA and much other cities. So why would you do that? Was it humanity or is it just the United States as a whole? I mean, he's pushing things in other countries too.

56:41Not just here. Now, George at this point is pretty old. I mean, he's not, you know, he's basically a Betzino at this point. But I mean, he, he's very smart. And he's very good at arbitrage. You know, famously, he shorted the British pound. That's sort of how I think he made his first money, shorting the pound. So he's good at spotting basically arbitrage like spotting value for money that other people don't see. So one of the things he noticed was that in that the value for money in local races is much higher than it is in national races. So the lowest value for money is a presidential race. Then next lowest value for money is a Senate race, then a Congress, then, but once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys, the value for money is extremely good.

57:42And Saras realized that you don't actually need to change the laws. You just need to change how they're enforced. If nobody chooses to enforce the law or the laws are differentially enforced, it's like changing the laws. That's what he, that's what he figured out. But it's with the arbitrage. That this trend that people haven't pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course. They're pulling the brakes. Yeah. Yeah, pulling the brakes right now. Yeah, you are. But you might be the only one. Well, I think more people should.

58:19Well, I just don't want to rock the boat. Unless people are looking for acceptance from society and they, they're, you know, if there's some negative press article, they're like shattered. Well, I couldn't give it out. Good. Go ahead, make my day. Well, it's fascinating. If you're a high profile public figure like yourself, there's no, it's impossible to make everybody happy. So there's going to be someone who says something shitty about you. Yeah. Somehow or another one that's in print, does that mean more? Because other people are going to see this shitty thing. Well, I guess where it gets odd.

59:00Because essentially, an article in the New York Times is just a cynical person's opinion and whatever category gets involved. It's a lot of people will read that. I mean, less people, these are the patterns. But I think people know that now. I mean, I know that I find that New York Times these days to be hard to read. Well, unfortunately, they make some grave errors. Yeah. Like that Hamas bombing the, the, no. I mean, it's really bombing the hospital story. Yes. It's delicious. I mean, I think there's a cutoff chick via exports that'll, that'll bring them to the knees right away. Bring it to you.

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1:03:21They had a Pacific dining cart where you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day. Really? Yeah. I don't know if it's still open in downtown LA. I believe the one in Santa Monica closed, but a Pacific dining cart in downtown LA was a legit steakhouse. And you get it. We would leave the comedy store of two, three in the morning, get a legit steak. That's cool. Just a little bit. It's a bit of a rarely closed. Oh, COVID got him. It's too close. It took out so many restaurants. It's crazy. It's not coming back. Other websites seem to be down to. Yeah, they're not coming back. Motherfucker. COVID got 70 % of the restaurants in LA at one point.

1:03:56Wow. Not COVID, I should say. Policies. Well, lockdowns. The mind of ours. I mean, it's like just crazy. Well, that's why I moved here. One of the reasons why I moved here is we came here in May of 2020 and you could go indoors and eat in restaurants. Yeah. And my kids who were pretty young at the time, 10 and 12, they were like, we want to live here. Yeah. This is like, they're freaked out. Like, LA was weird. Yeah. I mean, for most of COVID, I was actually in South Texas building this, this starship factory. And, you know, we're just, you know, no masks, no nothing. Just building factory building rockets.

1:04:32And then, you know, you would have teams from California if it was a little masked up. And then freak out that we're not masks. And we're like, we're still alive, man. Yeah. So, did you lose anybody? Did anybody from your factory die COVID? Not that I'm aware of now. So part of it is that, like, that I, I said, kind of sort of a dream. And I was like, I'm a dress rehearsal, which is that, you know, I kind of started in Wuhan. And so, Tizzas got about 20 ,000 employees in China. And so, you know, the first wave happened in China. And we had nobody died or got seriously ill. And I was like, okay, well, like, this is, you know, can't be that bad.

1:05:18And we're not relying on government statistics. We literally know who should offer work, you know. Right. Did they bad, did they badger or not? And we had no, no one died and no one got seriously ill. So I'm like, well, I don't know what the big deal is. Well, there's a problem that people still want to stick to this initial narrative that they believed. And that they espoused. They're like, they repeated it. And so, they'll still fight you on this today. People still fight you today. The merits of the lockdowns, the importance of vaccine mandates, closing schools. There's people that stated an opinion in 2020.

1:05:59And they still are doing mental gymnastics to try to make it seem like that was the right choice. No, it was just a panic. Yeah. And a lot of deaths got described to COVID that had nothing to do with COVID. And in fact, I'd say in the beginning, the cure is worse than the disease. So, because people panic too much. And so that somebody would get diagnosed with COVID, they put them on intubated ventilator for a week. And this is going to basically cook your lungs. So if you are on puro too under pressure with a tube stuck down your throat and under anesthetic, this is very bad for you. Like, it's one thing if you do that for a couple hours for an operation, but you do that for a week.

1:06:42It's going to roast your lungs. The error that we're breathing right now is 78 % nitrogen, 1 % argon, about 21 % oxygen, and some miscellaneous. So if you ask someone, what are you breathing this oxygen? No, you're breathing nitrogen. Only about a fifth of it is oxygen. And this about 1 % argon. So, I know quite a lot about life support systems could be make spaceships. And you have to keep people alive in a vacuum. So you've got to say, what percentage, nitrogen, what percentage, oxygen, you're going to do what's the pressure going to be. And so, like sea level pressure is about 15 pounds per square inch.

1:07:23And the partial pressure of oxygen at 20%, being 20%, is therefore roughly three pounds per square inch of oxygen. So, in a spacecraft, especially if you're in a space suit, you want to lower the pressure. So you want to keep the oxygen, still get people enough oxygen to function, obviously. But you want to lower the nitrogen content so that you don't have a space suit that's at 15 psi. Because at 15 psi, you just pop out like a balloon. It's hard to move. So, you want to try to lower the pressure down to around, I don't know, 6, 7 psi, maybe even 5 psi. So, you'd lower it to try to keep the oxygen, partial pressure of oxygen roughly the same.

1:08:11So, maybe around a 3 psi and then a 3 psi of nitrogen. So, you've got 50, 50 mix of nitrogen and oxygen. And then you say, it's getting pretty hot in the bit, we.

1:08:26It's going to be sweaty and itchy. A little bit.

1:08:32Anyway, so I know a thing or two about keeping people alive in a vacuum.

1:08:40So, we designed the life support system for keeping humans alive in a vacuum in the vacuum of space, which is very difficult. So, we know quite a lot about what it takes to keep people alive. So, you don't want to be people, you know, 100 % oxygen. It's actually for an extended period of time. This is not good for you. Well, 80 % of the people they put up ventilators died. Yeah, so, in fact, I actually posted about that because I called doctors in Wuhan and said, what are the biggest mistakes that you made on the first wave? And they said, we put far too many people on intubated ventilators. So, then I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said, hey, what I'm hearing from Wuhan is that they made a big mistake in putting people on intubated ventilators for an extended period.

1:09:27And that this is actually what is damaging the lungs, not COVID. It's the treatment, it's the cure is worse than the disease. And I just, people yelled at me and said, I'm not a doctor, I'm like, yeah, but I do make space shifts with life support systems. So, what do you do? I like that. I twiddle knobs. I'm like, okay, great. Yeah. Rock on. Well, again, there was this very bizarre narrative that you had to believe everything that the government was telling you. You had to believe everything the CDC was telling you. And that even as time went on and we realized, hey, it looks like this came from a fucking lab.

1:10:03Like, even as time went on, disputing that would get you banned, it would get you kicked off of YouTube. For yeah. I think to this day, there's certain things you're not allowed to say in regards to the vaccine on YouTube. As I said, the only media that is not, does not have crazy censorship at this point is X. Yeah. Then I'm aware of everyone else either, everything else is censored. Spotify isn't. That's why this thing. Yeah, good, good for its kind of lack. Oh, Daniel acts the man. Yeah, great. I love that, dude. And, you know, I think more companies should follow suit. I don't think it has to be this way.

1:10:40Fortunately for us, they're in Sweden and Stockholm, Sweden. They have a very different person. You got a syndrome on all this shit. Yeah. It was wild about the nitrogen is that like that's mostly out nitrogen from fertilizer. We suck out of the air. Sorry, what do you mean? Most of the nitrogen for fertilizer, we suck out of the air. Yeah, one of the big inventions in chemistry was binding nitrogen. Nitrogen is actually fairly inert. So it's quite hard to actually pull nitrogen out there and bind it into ammonia. Like basically a process for creating ammonia was actually a very important thing.

1:11:20The Habermetit. For its harbor. Yeah. Same guy invented cyclone gas. But it was actually very important to bind nitrogen from the air to fertilizer. So that actually was frankly a life -saving invention at scale. Because you just run out of nitrogen.

1:11:48So like nitrogen, pure nitrogen is a low energy state. So to try to bind it into fertilizer requires a lot of energy to do that. That's quite tricky. So that was a very important breakthrough. Yeah, I read that 50 % of the nitrogen in most people's body comes from that method. 50 % of the nitrogen in most people's body that they've consumed from food. Oh yeah, yeah. Because of that. That might be true. It was a fundamental problem for most civilization is how do you get nitrogen for the plants. The limiting factor in fact even in the rainforest is like the nitrogen is bound nitrogen. What do you do eventually colonize Mars?

1:12:37What's the idea in terms of terraforming? Is it contained ecosystems that were are under domes? Like what are you planning on doing to make it habitable? Well at first you would have to have a life support system. Because Mars has a low density atmosphere only about 1 % the density of both and it's primarily CO2. Now over time you can terraform Mars. Terraform means make it like Earth essentially. And if you warm Mars up there's a bunch of frozen CO2 that will evaporate densely by the atmosphere and you'd actually want kind of global warming on Mars. Mars is about 50 % further away from the Sun than the Earth.

1:13:24So it gets about less than half the solar energy that Earth does. And it's believed at one point in time Mars had a much different environment right? It appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans. I'll be at a long time ago. There's a lot of ice. So this Mars is covered in ice. And now the ice is then covered in dust for mostly except at the poles. So there's a lot of ice. In fact I believe if Mars was warmed up you'd have an ocean about a mile deep on 40 % of the planet. So it's quite a lot of water. And do we think that it was like that at one point in time? The evidence suggests that it is most likely that Mars had liquid water.

1:14:11What's the prevailing theory of its demise? Well just over time the solar system cooled. So Earth used to be much hot. Like in the very early Earth was like molten rock. So really almost nothing gets surviving at the beginning. We were just a ball of lava. We're still mostly a ball of lava. We're like Cranberlay. Like there's a thin crust. And it's a very hot, very hot, mushy rock underneath. And taking that rock is in a semi -solid state. But as soon as it gets to a low pressure like pops out of the ocean, you have a volcano obviously with lava. So at service ambient pressure, we were basically covered in liquid rock.

1:14:56Are you aware of it? It's a thin crust on liquid rock. Are you aware of the origin myth of the dogon tribe? No. There's a tribe in I believe it's a tribe in I forget what part of Africa. But they believed that they came from Mars. And that there was a civilization that left Mars. Many, many eons ago. And it's a really weird theory. Because they know some things about Mars. Yeah, I appreciate that. Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure too. But I mean, it's not one of their... Do they have any spaceships? If they don't have any spaceships, then I don't believe it. Well, if they could have a spaceship, I'll believe it.

1:15:38If you park the spaceship, how many thousands of years? If you park the metal spaceship? If you left a cyber truck in the desert. How many thousands of years do you think it would be there for it's gone? If it got buried in dirt, it would find it even like a million years from now. A million? Wow. Really? Well, what you'd find is... It's stainless steel. So it would have to be some sort of an alloy. It would...it's kind of like... But iron wouldn't, right? Yeah, but you'd have something similar to fossils, basically. Like the fossils... Essentially, discolor the rock. So eventually, where the fossil is...

1:16:19And sometimes there are fossils like an amber or something like that. That's where it still does survive more or less intact. But I mean, there's fossilized, like, dinosaur fossils and tree fossils. That's essentially mineralized, right? Yeah. So you'd see it like a cyber truck shape in the rock, basically. Yeah. But that's it. You wouldn't find the actual cyber truck. So if they did have a spaceship and it came here 30 ,000 years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. We would definitely find it, evidence of it. Well, I mean, there's one spaceship, maybe not, but if it was a lot of them, sure. That is the origin myth of the Dogon tribe, right?

1:17:02Am I getting that right? Mars, specifically. It's a hidden star and a serious... Oh, it's somewhere else. It's a... Yeah. You can obvious areas. Seriously. Seriously, Sam? It's just very strange when people have this bizarre origin myth. I wonder who is the first one to tell them that they came from stars. And when we eventually do, I mean, how bizarre. Imagine if you're successful. We eventually do colonized Mars and you're correct. Earth winds up through human folly or natural disaster. Getting wiped out. And there's only the colony on Mars. And that colony exists for 10 ,000, 20 ,000 years.

1:17:50And they have their origin myth that we all came from Earth. I mean, ultimately, that's going... If this does happen, you do colonize Mars and Earth does get destroyed. And if a period of time takes place, like look at the period, like at least the conventional timeline of the Great Pyramid, which is 4 ,500 years ago. 5 ,000 years ago. Yeah. So that's not that much time. Not that much time. No, I mean, if... It's nothing on the galactic times, again. Right. So if we're talking 20 ,000, 30 ,000 years from now on Mars, people talk about time square. And what Earth you speak like.

1:18:31I think there's some greatest, like, how do you say what the... When did civilization start? And I'd say, like, probably from the first writing. And the first writing is only 5 ,500 years old. Yeah. It's worth reading about the history of writing. But only 5 ,500 years. And then one has to credit basically the entrance to Mary and two on around anymore with the first writing. Are you aware, though, that there's hieroglyphs that depict a history of Egypt that goes back far longer, maybe even 30 ,000 plus years ago, but archaeologists dismiss it because they think that that's mythical. But non -conventional archaeologists who believe in what's called the Younger Drys Impact Theory.

1:19:17Okay. And that somewhere around 11 ,800 years ago, civilization is essentially all but wiped out by common impacts. Okay. And that is the reason why they keep finding these insanely old, huge structures, megalithic structures that are carved out of stone. Like when you go back to, like, go back to the Tepe, which is 11 ,600 years ago. That's an insanely old structure that they didn't even know people were capable of building until they discovered it in the 1990s. So the conventional timeline of people, when you go to 11 ,600 years ago, was just 100 gatherers. But now that they have, go back to the Tepe with its 3D carved things.

1:20:03Have you seen Graham Hancock's amazing series on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse? I know. You should check it out. It's amazing. But it's about that. It's all about that there's a lot of physical evidence of an advanced civilization from far, far, far longer ago than we have convention dated, which is Ancient Sumer, which is, we put it at about 6 ,000 years ago. Yeah. Like the first, it's a several of the dates updated with precision, but at least two within a few hundred years. But roughly a 55 hundred years, like, you see, like what is the oldest stone tablet? Yeah. Because if you're an archaeologist, if you were to discover something older than that, you'd be very famous.

1:20:46They really looked hard. And 55 hundred years really is kind of the, if you say any kind of evidence that I've seen that is actually substantial, is writing as 55 hundred years old. Yeah, in terms of writing. Yeah. Well, what they believe is that there's very little left of this ancient civilization other than things like the pyramids, other than things like the Sphinx. There's a geologist that really stuck his neck out. His name is Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University. And what he said was his theory is that there's deep water erosion all over the temple of the Sphinx, where the Sphinx was carved out of.

1:21:27That is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time they had rainfall, the Nile Valley was around 9 ,000 BC. So what he believes is, because back then the whole Nile Valley was a lush rainforest, then eventually receded into desert. Okay. Yeah. So the entire, that whole area, like, given the Sahara, used to be rich rainforest. And it receded into what it is now. But if you go back then, he believes that's when that thing was constructed. And he says the physical geologists look at it. And if he shows it to them in terms of, like, just shows an image of the erosion doesn't tell them where it is.

1:22:09They'll almost all of them will say that's water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall. I think even if you say, like, okay, even if, even if, you know, even if you say, like, okay, civilization is like 9 ,000 years old. It's still nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. So, you know, we're still talking about, like, a very tiny fraction of Earth's existence. Like Earth. Yeah. The geological evidence suggests that Earth is about 4 .5 billion years old. So human civilization has been around for roughly 1 million of Earth's existence. Yeah. This is just basically nothing. And even if it's 10 ,000 years since...

1:22:43Even if it's 30 ,000 years old. Yeah, it's still nothing. Yeah. What they're saying, though, is that civilization is insanely fragile. That's exactly... And much more fragile, I think we realized. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think we should view civilization as being fragile. Yeah, but we don't. And that is one of the weird things about people is that we, unless the threat is in front of us, it's abstract. Unless it's like real, is the pizza here? Oh, yeah. Pizza's here. Yeah. I think... Fun civilization. No, actually, one of my sons who is actually...

1:23:22He's probably very similar to what it was like 4 ,000 years ago. Yeah. Exactly. And they asked me, did they speak English 4 ,000 years ago? Nope. They said, well, they speak English 4 ,000 years from now. Probably not. I should point out that I was a little bit... Really? No. Never. Why not? Because it's not really good for you. Well, I don't think anyone's gonna accuse pizza of being like a... The hell is this thing in the world? This looks awesome. That does look awesome. You want to place it? Jamie? Yeah. Get in there, sir. Grab a piece. Alright, so... This is awesome. And what's the name of this pizza?

1:24:14Pizza Leon. Pizza Leon? Yeah. Shout out to Pizza Leon.

1:24:21Oh, yeah. That really hits spot. That's legit. I mean, I'm no day porkner. I'm not. Our pizza analyst, who probably... I'm not gonna rate it. It's excellent. His pointer really gets into pizza. Oh, man. Oh, man.

1:24:45Ever seen Port Noise videos where he analyzes pizza? Oh, my God. It was like a whole method. Okay. Is there a number system? Alright. He's into the crust and the flop and all these different things. Wow. Yeah. Everybody knows the rules. Yeah. Everybody knows the rules. One bite. You're gonna get one bite of a pizza? Yeah. Well, bite and taste it. That's for like the rules. Yeah. He bites into it and then he just starts nodding and saying, he's basically like a sommelier of pizza. Oh, he says sommelier, okay. Yeah. And it's as he is there like, what's his favorite pizza joint? Oh, the favorite one.

1:25:22That's the, everyone wants to know that. It's those cheese. Yeah. We spend so much time on pizza. And it's New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut. Really? Yeah. For some reason, the Italians that move to New Haven, Connecticut, who really figured pizza out, they have insane pizza in New Haven, Connecticut. Okay. Yeah. Like really like legendary. I've had it. There was a comedy club I used to work out there called The Joker's Wild. And I had New Haven pizza. Even back then. It's just, really good pizza. Well, okay. I don't know why though.

1:25:58It seems like something that could be replicated. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like rocket ship. Yeah.

1:26:07The thing is, the people that are making pizza are not like the people that are making rocket ships. If they were, they would replicate. Yeah. They would go, what are these guys doing? Let's back engineer it. Sure. It can't be that hard. You know, all these secret sauces and shit. Well, fuck them. What's in there? Yeah.

1:26:32Well, that's hungry. It's good, all right. The combination of pineapple and anchovy. Surprisingly good, right? Yeah. I'm not sure. Not just the first pineapple and chubby pizza. They were made there. I don't see it on their menu very. Nobody's ordering that shit. I used to order it when I would order for delivery. They'd go, are you sure? Am I doing that? No, I'm doing it. I'm ordering it. With extra, now with extra austenic. Mmm. This is good. I do know why I don't eat this stuff though. I cannot stop. That's a problem. It's pizza is too delicious. Oh, so good. High calorie, high carbohydrate foods.

1:27:22Once they start going down the hatch, they don't want to stop. They're at the cost of the devil. Oh, they are. The devil. Remember, these to be the base of the food chain. Yeah. The whole pyramid, the whole pyramid, the bottom of the food pyramid was the carbs. What would the Egyptians say? No, it's the blood of our fucking mind. What do you mean? Yeah. You're exactly what you're saying. That's the bizarre thing about it. It's like fourth of July in your mouth. How many human beings eat just processed food? Like the majority of their diet is processed food. Like the entire center of the supermarket is shit.

1:27:59You really probably shouldn't eat except every day on that.

1:28:06Blood, Jamie. You want one? I don't. You seem offended. No, I did two of my, not like favorite. I don't like either of those things, honestly. Have you tried it? I'd snop my... Phil, you used to try it. I understand. I feel like I should see you. You showed us all about trying it. We shot an arrow at a car. I just not going to like it. I don't want to offend pizza leo and I like that place. I want to get offended.

1:28:34All right. It's hard to miss with pizza, frankly. Unlike the creeps who used to run Twitter. I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. I just don't like fish to be that honest with you. I've tried it many times and I still haven't liked it. It's going to be the day that's going to be one over. You like any fish? Not really. You have a good fishing? You can do crab meat. Yeah, but I don't like the whole product. Do you like sushi? No. I'm going to try some of the Philips on Thursday though. You're going to try it. But you don't like fish. I'm like DC. I'm afraid of that whole thing.

1:29:05I've talked to Phil about it in detail. Okay. I don't eat fish that often. I like it. Yeah. It's particularly good when you catch it yourself. You eat it fresh? Fresh fish really is way better. Way better. Way better. Fish goes bad quick. I'm like meat. Yeah. What? Meat. You can let it sit around for a while. Kind of marinate. For you cook. You don't marinate fish, I think. Well, they do. They actually dry -age fish. Okay. Yeah, a lot of places dry -age fish. Hits the fish. Yeah, I didn't know that. I wasn't aware of that, but it's actually a common practice to dry -age fish for certain sushi dishes like really gourmet places.

1:29:49Have you ever been to a sushi -biscratch? Is that in town? Yeah. It's just outside of town. He used to run sushi bar. And then he sold it. It's my friend, Philip Franklin Lee's, a Michelin star chef. He used to run sushi bar in town. He sold that. And then he opened up sushi -biscratch. But because of the contractual obligations, he has to be like outside of the oil. He's lost in proper, so he's about 30 miles away. It's fucking fantastic. If you like sushi, it's like the best sushi you'll ever eat. Okay. I mean, it's really insane. I say that with... You eat it and you're like, Jesus Christ, the best sushi of all time.

1:30:25Sushi -biscratch? Mm -hmm. They have lunch in Miami. Where they have it now in Chicago. They got a bunch of them. It's not like in Austin? No, it's not in Austin proper. I think once his contract is up, you know, he had a non -compete in Austin for like three years or something. I don't know how long it was. Okay. But... Maybe eventually he'll open up one in Austin, but it's about 30 minutes outside of it. What city is it against? Seater. Yeah, Seater Creek. It's out at a lost pines area. Yeah, it's 30 minutes. That's a big deal. Sushi -biscratch. Got it. Yeah. It's a shit. Let me know if you want to go.

1:31:02Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's awesome. It's really worth it. Like if you like sushi, it's a mind -blower. It's a mind -blower. And it's omakase. It's like you sit down, they bring you food. That's it. That looks good. It's pretty fucking cool. They've been to Matsu, he's an LA. Yes. I'm a cost of brothers. It's great. Yes. That place is outstanding. Yeah. I love good sushi. And it's one of the things that's amazing is how many good restaurants are in Austin. I mean, for a city that's relatively small. I mean, the restaurant's more capitalized, excellent. Amazing. Yeah. And they're so good. There's like so many like artists and restaurants.

1:31:38We just found a new one that Brian Simpson told us about. It's called Boccalar. It's this Mexican restaurant. It's a town. Fantastic. Really good. Yeah. They just opened up. I think they're open for like six weeks. So shout out to them. Just say eight there the other night. Okay. It says there's so many good places here. Yeah. Like you can't have a bad restaurant in this town. Yeah. You will go under Quattro. To the competition is strong. There's so much competition. And it's like, and there's so much variety. Yeah. All kinds of good restaurants in the town. Yeah. It's amazing. You know, I remember we were hanging out at your place like way back in the day when I first moved here and you said something very prophetic when all this was happening like Austin's about to go supernova.

1:32:17Yeah. Kind of did. Yeah. It's a boom town. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. Legitimately. Yeah. And with the giga factory, I mean, how many jobs have you brought into Austin from that factory alone? Well, we're about 10 ,000 direct -ish. And then I think 50 ,000 indirect. So it's a lot. That's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah. I mean, there's only too many people in the greater Western area. Oh, no, that's crazy. In fact, the kind of limiting factor for growth is just buying up people. Yeah.

1:32:55It was just terrible for sound. We just got to have to do all the different things. Like the subtitles chewing sounds. This is my last piece. Subtitled chewing sounds. People are going to have to deal with it. This is my last piece. Are you taking it away? You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. I suddenly eat in my full. Yeah, I take it away. I'll keep going. I'll eat the whole fucking. That's the problem with me, carbs. Yeah, carbs are awesome. Yeah. I know. It's like a. I feel good though. I mean, there's dopamine explosion from carbs. I'm not bad at it. Yeah. I mean, once in a while, it's fine.

1:33:32Once in a while. For me, it's once in a great while, but. Well, like Tim Ferriss has like that, you know, you have one whatever, one meal a week or something. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, one meal a week. I'll go with sweets. I'll have ice cream sundae or some shit. Ice cream sundae is great. Oh, they're fucking amazing. I am amazing. Yeah. I don't even think most people know what an ice cream sundae tastes like unless they smoke marijuana. And then you're like, oh, yeah, this is a different thing. It's an amazing invention. Whoever figured out the hot fudge and then the whipped cream on top of it, what a combo.

1:34:09Incredible. Yeah. What's the list of those two? Maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Great idea. I don't know if that's possible. I go shit. For sure. I don't know. Derek Queen. Well, I mean, that's what's open right now. What's legit? It's 1130. I don't know. I think there's like that pizza restaurant that pizza chain that's the daily of the best ice cream sundae that I've ever seen. Giant one out here. Kind of a term remember the name of the it's it is it is a chain, but it's not like a big chain. People that are upset right now because they're listening like on the treadmill and they're hearing us chilling like these motherfuckers are going to get I see pizza and ice cream sundays while people try to lose weight.

1:34:48Yeah. Sweat it out. Oh, book it at that post. Oh, yeah. They've got a gigantic ice cream sundae. Everything they have is gigantic. It's amazing. Yeah. I worked there for a long time. It's actually really good. It's amazing. Oh, bro, they have that rigatoni. The rigatoni with the meat sauce and oh my god. Rigatopo's is great. It's fantastic. Yeah. And it's very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get. Yeah, there's one in Paul. It's crazy amount of food. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. I like a lot of photographs in the wall. There's one of those down the street from our old studio. You know, with the nils.

1:35:25Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's legit. Yeah. Yeah. I used to take my kids to the one at the grove in LA. What if anything is out near SpaceX? Like, what do you guys have out there? In LA or here? Yeah, here. We've got the stalling terminal factory. So we, for the stalling V4 terminals, we bought them here. We built the, what's called the, all the, the V3 terminals and the version three many. There's like a, or the, there's like, we do part of the production. Or actually, I should say, we've done all of the production of the terminals thus far in LA. And we'll continue to do production in LA, but we're also just completed a second factory in Bastrop just about 20 minutes from here.

1:36:17And then SpaceX is where you make the launches. What, what part of Texas is that? Well, Starship stuff is in South Texas near the border, just right on the rear ground. And how did you pick that location? I was just literally looking at satellite images. And, and, and you, for, for going to orbit, you kind of need to, you want to launch eastward so that you can take advantage of Earth rotation to get to orbit. So it's a little counterintuitive that reaching or, or, orbital velocity, getting, getting to orbit is about your speed parallel to the Earth surface. It's like how fast are you zooming around Earth?

1:37:02It's not a, like, the gravity at the, at the altitude of the space station is almost the same as it is on the ground. The reason the space station is actually up there, it's kind of the wrong terminology. It's, it's actually moving around the Earth at 17 ,000 miles an hour. So the, the space station goes around the Earth at roughly every 90 minutes. So, so, and, and because Earth is, is, is turning and the, the speed which is turning, or the way you experience velocity is, is, it's moving at roughly a thousand miles an hour at the equator. So the, the closer you are to the equator, the more you can take advantage of Earth rotation to reach orbital velocity.

1:37:45So you want to, and so, and, and since, rotating eastward, you want to be on the east coast to get, to make it easier to get to orbital velocity. So, so you need a section of coast that's on the east, fairly southward, that is not occupied. So like most of, really, almost really all, all of Florida except for Cape Canaveral is, you know, world to world houses on the beach. Like there's almost no section of Florida that, that every section of Florida has houses except for Cape Canaveral, which is government base. So, one of the few spots that, that wasn't occupied was the area just adjacent to the border with Mexico.

1:38:32And it, it just wasn't super well suited to, holiday homes. And there was one point, a development that was going to take place, but then a hurricane came and destroyed the entire place. And, and in fact, rearranged the land. So some of the plots were under water. So it's kind of a, it's a, it's a tough spot to build a home. And that's why it was on occupied. So we needed a piece of, it need to be US territory because we go outside the US. There are export restrictions because rocket technology is an advanced weapons technology. So we can't just like, you know, arbitrarily go to another country.

1:39:15So needed to be US land, East Coast, and, and, and fairly southward. That's fascinating that, rockets, one of the few spots that exist like that. That rockets fall into the category of weapons technology. Yeah, intercontinental ballistic missiles. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we could drop a rocket anywhere. And that way he could stop us. Wow. That is crazy about the space station too. Yeah. That's going 17 ,000 miles an hour. Yes. I mean, you've seen the videos of the rocket landing, right? Yes. It's amazing. Very precise. It's pretty fucking amazing. We could make land basically anywhere. No.

1:39:58Oh, not land. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to turn on this russias to slow down. What is it like to try to juggle these different things in your mind on a daily basis? Like, what is it like to try to juggle X, Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things at the same time? It's a lot for a human brain to handle. Yeah. I would imagine. Yeah. My, it strains my meat computer. I could, I do need something like that though. Does your meat computer need more problem solving than the average one? I mean, is this something like, if you only had one thing to work on, do you think you would get bored or you would get distracted or you would not be satisfied?

1:40:54Do you need these things to be so complex and have so many of them simultaneously juggling? Because you didn't pick three easy ones. You pick three of the fucking hardest things you could ever get into. You already detailed how difficult manufacturing is. Rockets, duh. It's, it's one of the craziest things like, not only that, completely innovative rockets that land. Like, they, that never happened before. So you're doing that. Right. And then you said, you know what? We've got to save humanity. Let me go spend $44 billion on Twitter. Man, that was expensive. What's it worth? What do you think it was actually worth?

1:41:38Everything. Yeah, not for the market. Right. I mean, like, for humans, yes, I agree with you. I mean, I really genuinely do think this. And I've said this many times publicly, I think you did humanity and immense service. And that if that didn't happen, the narrative of this country would have gone further and further down that road to the point where people would have been scared to speak their mind. And they would have been scared. And it changes the way people communicate at their jobs, which changes the way. It just changes the way people, when they leave universities and they go to get jobs, the way they're allowed to communicate.

1:42:18And people don't like to be on the outside. They don't like to be ostracized. They don't like to be kicked out of communities. So people would adhere. Yeah. They would change. Absolutely. I'm here, I guess, afraid of being ostracized. It's like fear of being ostracized, I think is probably the biggest issue. And they're just being totally shut down. Where you have no outlet. And you can just basically disappear except for in -person meetings.

1:42:53So, yeah, it was important to know that. Like, steer, have at least one social media outlet that wasn't canceling people. What I really enjoy is reading the tweets. I guess you still have to call them tweets. Readiness or whatever. I don't have a good word for it, but yeah, you can't say the axis. Reading the... All my axis live in Texas. Words. I should say. I enjoy reading the words of people who proclaimed that they were leaving and going over to threads. Yeah. That's an interesting thing about momentum. Very difficult to start a whole new social media platform. Even one that initially got like what if threads get like some crazy number of initial people signing up for it.

1:43:46But it just dropped off in a couple of weeks. Now it's a fucking ghost town. Yeah. It's like wild. You're really quiet. It's wild. I mean, suck himself doesn't post. That's what's crazy. Got to use your own product. It's interesting though, because you're sneaking them in now in Instagram. They sneak a little thread in there. Because every now and then I'll see something. That's interesting. And I click on it. Oh, you bother fucker. And it opens up threads for me. You got me. Because they're integrated. But... I don't use Instagram. It's fascinating that I'm not sure you don't. Why would you? If I bought X or Twitter, whatever, I wouldn't use anything else either.

1:44:25Yeah, but I didn't use Instagram for a while. I mean, there was a time when I was posting an Instagram. But I found myself doing selfies. And I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I posing with selfies to get likes? This is crazy. A bizarre. And like, so then I was like, you know, if you're, if you're, if you're posting selfies on, on Twitter that people would jump all over you, you know, they're like, what's wrong with you? That's true. They're like, what's wrong with you? That's so true. Yeah, people are like way more lenient on Instagram for some strange reason. Yeah. It's like pretty pictures, basically.

1:45:08Yeah. Pretty pictures and a lot of bullshit. But a lot of it's, there's a lot of weirdness that comes with Instagram, like filters. Like I've got grown men using filters on their pictures. Well, it's very strange. You know, I, I am contuing that like, like say Instagram actually leads to more unhappiness not, not less. In the sense that like, it just looks like everyone's like like having a great time. Right. And is way better looking than they really are. Yeah. And so you're like, man, everyone's like, good looking and having a great time. And then you sort of compare yourself to that and like, it's like, damn, I'm not as good looking and I'm, I think I just need to be sad a lot.

1:45:51And then you're like, man, you know, I think I think could make you kind of depressed. Yeah. Well, and also you're a grown man in new experiences. You're also very intelligent in experiences. Imagine being a young kid. Yeah. Jonathan Hade documented that in the coddling of the American mind. So there's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and its ubiquitous use and self harm amongst kids, particularly girls. It's really bad for girls. Yeah. And they like around 2007ish, there's this big uptick on suicide, self harm, depression. Yeah. If people can't just like make themselves be better looking with the lives like a limit.

1:46:34Right. Yeah. And then surgery. Yeah. It's a big uptick and people getting their jaws reshaped and shit. I mean, yeah, that's too bad. So I don't know. I think, you know, I think I think like the, the, the, like is Instagram a net happiness generator or not. I'm not sure it is. Speaking of distorted images. Yeah. Have you seen the court artists drawing of Sam Bankman Fried? I mean, it's like they lost money or something. What the fuck happened? It looks like it melted. Have you seen it? It looks like a supermodel. Oh, what's, S V F test? Yes. The guy who drew him. I mean, one of them I saw, if we're only this more than one artist, maybe this one one was because some of those ones I saw one of them.

1:47:23Well, I'm flattering. He looked like an anime superhero. You're joking. Okay. No, no, like perfect chisel jawline ridiculous. He looked like he lost 30 pounds. Start working out. Look at this. Look at that. Are you kidding? What the fuck, man? Look at that guy on the left. That guy looks like Superman. Well. Doesn't he? Look how hot that guy is. I almost feel like it's not. I can't just open. It might be. I feel like someone's fucking with. There's a few other pictures when I googled like, you know, er, some rough pictures though. It seems like someone's fucking with us because that guy's handsome as fuck.

1:47:54Because there's this one that's not the same. No, that one's terrible. That's not real. That's Satan's drawing. But that one right there, if that is real, it's like, come on. That's not real. This is bullshit. That's bullshit. Because look at the, what they do with the girl. Oh, wow. Look at that picture there. Even that picture is. But Carol looks like she's melting. Yeah. I don't know. I have to, I mean, but she's probably massively depressed. I mean, I bet like that's also like it's artist interpretation of the energy she's giving off in court. I mean, she has to rat on her boyfriend and she's already pleaded guilty and, you know, for a lesser sentence, she's going to rat him out.

1:48:34Well, I mean, I don't know who SBF's PR team is, but they, they're doing an incredible job. For real? Well, I mean, I mean, the dude, a tons of people often stole their money and yet he's getting basically, you know, back rub from the press. Well, don't you think that's because the amount of money that he donated? Yeah, I don't know. What I like to deal with. It might have something to do with that. I'm not that cynical. I generally don't think people are influenced by money. Well, I don't know what he's doing, but - It's something to go on. The number of articles that have seen the way it's like, you know, where it's basically, you know, it misunderstood philanthropist.

1:49:17It's ridiculous. Well, your bullshit meter went off when he was offering money to buy in with you with Twitter, correct? Well, a large amount. Yeah. And I mean, a lot of people, you know, fell for his bullshit. But I mean, I first of all, I didn't really hurt the guy. I'm like, who is this guy? And what do you do? And he's in the Bahamas. That's pretty sussed at the begin with. He's very sussed. Like, who's like, if you're in a tropical island, like, you know, finance organizations in tropical islands are generally a bad track record. And he's involved in crypto. And crypto is like - Which is like - There's a lot of scams probably in crypto as high.

1:50:05It's high. So yeah. I'm not saying it's all scams, but I would leave that distinction for - For - Whether those fucking NFTs. I think NFTs - That's like 80 % scam. Except for people. People's legit. I mean, they usually like digital art. Yeah, people's stuff is great. But I mean, NFTs, the funny thing is that the NFT is not even on the blockchain. It's just a URL to the JPEG. So it's not even like - I should at least encode the JPEG in the blockchain. Because like, if the URL, if the company housing the image goes out of business, you don't have the image anymore. I never understood it. I tried so hard.

1:50:46I tried so hard. I know I have a friend who made millions. Does selling NFN artist. I'm like, okay, save that money. Because eventually people are going to figure this out. I mean, with the art, there is a fair bit of money laundering and tax void. So some of these things that seem inexplicable. Like on the button. You guys talk about how to buy it in spedings? Did he actually sell paintings for large sums of money? Emense sums of money. Okay. Hundreds of thousands of. Probably that seems unlikely to be a legit transaction. Unlikely, right? Unlikely. Yeah. The work's not bad though. I'm going to say, that kind of bullshit art.

1:51:28It's not that bad. I mean, the thing is that it's hard to price art. Right. Because it's in the eye of the beholder. So how can you say whether something... Like this is this stuff. How much does that go for 225K? A steal. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. I mean, I wouldn't buy that. I wouldn't buy it for 225, but I'll buy it for 5. Yeah. It's not bad. Like, look, a lot of crackheads are good artists. Like, you know, you get crazy on drugs and splatter some shit around and you got a unique vision. That's not bad. It's not bad. That's not bad. That is not bad at all. How much does that one go for?

1:52:06I don't know. So he's probably legit. I mean, why are we going to find out here? I mean, I suspect he... I mean, I'm going to start this. He's not untalented. Right. So, I mean, I actually don't have any issues with his lifestyle or anything. There's a stuff. That stuff's not bad. Like, whatever that dog wolf thing is on the wall, that's pretty dope. Yeah. I like that. What does it say? Under anything? Can you read it? Yes. I can't read it. Either way, nothing. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad. Have you ever heard the theory that the entire modern art movement, like Jackson Pollock and the like, was a CIA, CYOP?

1:52:55I mean, I have heard that, but I have not heard any evidence for it. I read the article a couple of years ago, at least. I modern art's a CYOP. Yeah. Everyday, wake up. I mean, it wasn't that long ago. It was not a CYOP. But it was fascinating. Yeah, every day. There's always something. Can't with a tinfoil hat. No. When was this? When was this? When you were getting a 2012... Yes. Was modern art really a CIA CYOP? But I mean, if you can get someone to spend that kind of money on that kind of shit, like the Jackson Pollock stuff. So, here it is. Pre -eminent culture war. Cold War. What is it? Okay.

1:53:35The relationship between modern art and American diplomacy began during World War II. Museum, MoMA, Battle for Hearts and Mines.

1:53:48It's an interesting article. So I read the article a couple years ago. I can't remember what their argument was. But it's one of those things. It starts there like they spent money to buy paintings directly from artists. Oh. It's made in the 40s. The United... Okay. Even though modern art and American diplomacy were of a piece, Soviet propaganda asserted that the United States was a culturally barren capitalist wasteland. To make the case for American cultural dynamism. Dynamism. The State Department in 1946 spent $49 ,000 to purchase 79 paintings directly from American modern artists and mounted them in a traveling exhibition called Advancing American Art.

1:54:29That exhibition which made stops in Europe and Latin America included work from artists like George O 'Keefe and Jake. George O 'Keefe's Lady who makes vaginas, right? Isn't that her work? Oh, no. I think that is something of what she does, yeah. I think she makes vaginas, like flowers and stuff.

1:54:51I think so, it was pretty good. Well, the Jackson Pollock one was like, how did... Come on. What happened there? That one is just wild. I really think I could do that. So the shit is like, Jackson Pollock, this CIA teened up to win the Cold War. Yeah. Okay. I think that's the article I read because that's 2017. I don't remember. Well, I think art is very much in the eye of the balleret. It's like, what does it make you... How does it make you think and feel? Yeah. And if it makes you think and feel in a way that you like, then it's good. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. But it's also a way to launder money.

1:55:30Yes. A number of these, like, very high price art things, are tax evasion and money laundering. Have you ever seen the documentary on the Los Leonardo? No. That's crazy. That's crazy. MBS purchased this. Okay. And he purchased it for some insane amount of money. It turns out it probably isn't Leonardo da Vinci's, not only that, but the vast majority of the painting was made by a modern age woman who recreated everything. Okay. Like, so she, in restoring, air quotes, restoring, she essentially repainted the image in the style of da Vinci. Okay. And it's very sketchy because if you look at the original painting, it was all fucked up and missing paint and there was many layers, someone had painted over it.

1:56:21It's really an incredible documentary because it just shows how much fuckery is involved in these high dollar transactions. Yeah. And I think it went, I think it was the most expensive painting that was ever sold. I think it went for something in the neighborhood of $400 million. $450 million. Yeah. The Los Leonardo, a new film, solved the mystery of the world's most expensive painting, is the $450 million salvitor Monday of fake. This film featuring tearful sycophants, sneering experts, dodgy dealers and a secretive super yacht. I mean, finally settled the great Da Vinci controversy. Apparently, apparently there's multiple layers and different styles of painting involved in it.

1:57:06And when they do some sort of a comprehensive examination, whether it's like, you know, I don't know what kind of imagery they're using. Yeah. But they're doing something when they could say like, this has been painted many times and fucked with. Yeah. It might, it might have originally been one of Leonardo's students, might not have been Leonardo. Like there's not a real clear. They did that that time. Yeah. Okay. But whether it was the Sotheby's that sold it? I think so. Yeah. So they were kind of aware that there was some shenanigans with this piece. But they also were aware that this was, this was gonna cha -ching.

1:57:41This was three lemons. This was, they were gonna hit the jackpot with this bad boy. Yeah. And so they went through with it and, yeah. Christie's. Christie's. That's it. The other one. Christie's. It was a, it's a fascinating documentary. I don't know what's right. I don't know what's wrong. It might be real. But at the very least, it's been retouched mostly by this woman. Isn't it like 90 % of the painting? It's some, there's some very high percentage of the painting that was actually made by this woman. And they, they show her. She worked on it forever for years and years worked like painstakingly to retouch this piece of art.

1:58:22Which is very odd. Yeah. That they do that. Because like, wouldn't you just want it all fucked up and old? Sure. I mean, that's the real piece of art. Yeah. The real piece of art is not like some woman in 2001 painting over it. That's just crazy. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I, I enjoy art for the aesthetics, but I, but not for the name, name value. Yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah. I enjoy art just because I just, what it makes you, how it makes you feel. Yeah. It's, you know, it's a cool thing. I mean, obviously my studio is filled with it. Yeah. I love art. Yeah. It's everywhere out there. I'm just, I love it.

1:59:08Have you seen, oh, the woman, have you seen the one, the piece that she made of you? This, uh, Melania Blackman. Have you seen that drawing that she did? Is that the weird one? She, it's everything, it's, it's, it's enormous. Okay. She draws it and you're essentially made up of all these different characters and different things. So here you find her work with this. She did one of me and she did one of Anthony Bourdain that I bought that's out there as well. She's super talented this woman. So this is her. She's really hot too. Okay. So you can find her standing next to it. There it is. Instagram bandit.

1:59:52Oh, that was right. Why the hell? There was something that happened where Instagram did something. What happened? So Instagram is not only banned me from promoting this artwork, but also shadow banned me altogether after I posted my latest piece. This is after probably you said that you wanted to fight Zucker. Well, actually, I was just, Zuck fight, Zuck fight is funny because you know, he was posting all these fight videos and then someone on Twitter at the time said, hey, you should fight Zuck. And I said, well, I'm willing to fight if you, if he is. And, and then Zuck posted, I think on Instagram or something, named the place or something, something that effect.

2:00:39And I was like, okay, how about the Vegas Octagon?

2:00:45And then Italy actually was willing to let us use the Colosseum. So then I was like, well, let's just can't turn that down. And then I was like, well, if it's going to be in the Colosseum, we're not, like, I like your FC and everything, but we don't have like tons of ads and your FC branding on the Colosseum because it's historical, you know, play, it's a history, you know, it's a place with great history. You don't want to just, you know, have it'll be all like NASCAR. Right. So then, and then Zuck, Zuck pulled out. You know, he's the pull out method. So people, people out of it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, what was the narrative?

2:01:32Would you hear, Jamie? I don't remember. Well, I listen to that. So he was like, oh, no, it's got to be UFC rules. I'm like, well, okay, we're going to have your FC rules in the Colosseum. It's fine, but we just don't want to have, you would got to respect the historical integrity of the place. You just, the Colosseum just seems like the coolest place to do it. That's why. I mean, like, a 48 or, you know, come on. If they said it's okay. Yeah. So he just wants it to be in the actual UFC like in Vegas. So they said, oh, well, you know, I, he, he, he, he, he, excuse me, I'm not, not being serious.

2:02:02And I said, look, listen, at the end of the day, if I'll fight you any place, anywhere under any rules. Oh, that's what I said. So I'm, you know, name the, is he, he said name in place? I'm like, I'm happy to fight him in a house on a mouse with a mouse. We're like, go full, Dr. Seuss here. No, how much time? How much time? I'm the way bigger than him. This is unfair. I know you. I don't think you should fight me because you're so much bigger than him. Yeah, like 15th of the year, but then yeah, I'll just use a wall. I've got my padded wall rust move. I just lie on him. Well, you know, like it, wall rust doesn't need martial arts training.

2:02:41Right. Because it's really big. You don't want to go wrestling a wall rust. Right. Because you're going to roll on you. Have you ever been ever rolled with someone as much smaller than you that does Jiu -Jitsu? Yes. You Lex. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I didn't tell you as martial arts. How much have you trained personally? I did for a decade over it. Well, you did a lot of karate, right? I did judo. judo, kai, kshankai, karate. Yeah. I did some Jiu -Jitsu, taekwondo, street fighting, which I was involuntary. I, I'm, you know, I think I'd be decent. I did martial arts competitions when I was teenager. Really?

2:03:22Interesting. So look at George St. Pierre, Elon, John Donner, the great master, and Lex Friedman. But like, like Lex is, I think he's got like 20 % heavier than Zuck. So and I'm weaker than Lex. Yeah. That's why they have weight categories. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, did you get a chance to talk to Donner at all? The guy on the left? Yeah. That guy's passing. No, no, he's. Do you know his history? No, I, he's from New Zealand or something. He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia. Okay. And fell in love with Jiu -Jitsu. Okay. I mean, fell in love with it. To the point where he was sleeping on the mats and teaching all day long, he's an obsessive.

2:03:59He is a real kai -zin disciple. He's an all. Oh, man. He is one of the most unique characters I've ever met in my life. One of the most brilliant men I've ever met. And he's completely dedicated to Jiu -Jitsu. And he has raised through this, particularly this one disciple, Gordon Ryan, who also lives here in Austin. He's the greatest Jiu -Jitsu competitor of all time. There's no question. And he's only 28. Okay. He might even be 27. Or maybe he's 28 now. But I mean, he is universally regarded as the greatest of all time. And he is John's greatest student. And the two of them together, because Gordon has insane work ethic, they work 365 days a year.

2:04:38They do not take any days off. They train every day. That's Gordon to the right of John with the crazy beard. He doesn't really have that hair. He bleaches it. But the two of them together are literally an unstoppable combination. I got it. He's pretty ripped. He's a combination of gigantic, brilliant, and insanely dedicated with the most incredible instructor that's ever existed. I mean, John Donahars universally regarded as the greatest Jiu -Jitsu instructor alive. And his student is universally regarded as the greatest Jiu -Jitsu competitor alive. And it is because John is like a complete, like a guy out of a superhero book.

2:05:17Like you wouldn't, you're not going to find another one of those. A guy with a genius level IQ, who's one of the, I mean, you talked to him. He's fascinating. And he is obsessed with combat sports, warfare, like strategy, brilliant guy. Brilliant. But no, I was impressed when I met him. I mean, the things that like, if I was fighting someone who I was not, where I was not much bigger than them, then I would be more concerned. How much knowledge do you need to prepare? I don't need any time. No time at all? How's your cardio? No, it's not, that will not be a factor. Really? Very well. I mean. What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

2:06:07Like I'm willing to do it anytime, anywhere, any place, anywhere. Well, I think this stating it this way might accelerate this process, especially on this platform. I mean, I challenge him to a duel under any circumstances. Swarthight? Sure. Jesus. That's not meant. Pistols are done. That's not necessary. I think physical hand in hand. Nerf guns at noon. Nerf guns at noon. Well, you could slash it out in the metaverse. Yeah. In the real world. Listen, there's just a reason they have weight categories. You know?

2:06:46So there's a friend of mine who is pretty good at fighting. But she weighs two ways about half of what I do. And I said, let me show you why there's weight categories when you're fighting. And I'm going to do a move called the Wall Russ. And you have to just, I'm just going to lie on you. I'm not going to put you in a lock or anything. I'm just going to lie on you. But I'm going to position myself such that it's hard to get off, get out from under me. And I just want to lie crossways on you and you try to get away. You won't be able to get away. There's a good. Just, you know, like if a horse falls on you.

2:07:25You can get trapped under a horse. Well, but you're not a horse. What do you weigh about two -thirty? Yeah, two -fourty -year. Yeah. So, no, no, I'm not a horse. But I'm saying in the limit, if something's heavy enough, like, you know, if a horse falls on you and dies, you can get trapped under a horse and not be able to get yourself out. Right. But if someone's good enough, I mean, I'm sure you've seen like absolute weight classes in Jiu -Jitsu where you'll get a hundred forty -five pound competitor with strangles of two -hundred twenty pound competitor and they're both well trained. It is, if someone is that kind of unlikely.

2:07:55It's not unlikely. It happens quite often. When you get elite competitors. Like elite black belts at the hundred forty -five hundred fifty -five pound weight limit, you'd be shocked. There's a ton of videos of these guys who will strangle much larger black belts. I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just not highly unlikely. And if this were not the case, they would not be strict weight categories in martial arts. That is true. That is true. But the reason why they allow absolute in Jiu -Jitsu is because they, it is the thrill of watching these smaller people go against much larger people. And sometimes they win.

2:08:32No, just like armies, you know, the people had to take note when a small army defeats a big army because it is so unusual. Yes. Not because it's normal. Right. You know, if there's like, it was two against ten thousand and boy, it would be those two guys up. Yeah. More likely what happens. Like if you're severely outnumbered, you will lose almost certainly. So do the size difference between these two guys? Play it out. Well, it's done in the video. This is Mikey Musumechi, who is another fascinating individual. This guy is another super genius who trains every day, twelve hours a day. And he is competing at the black belt in the heavyweight division.

2:09:19Mikey Musumechi might weigh 145 pounds and he beats this guy. Guy doesn't look to be in super great shape. Well, he's enormous. I mean, he's enormous and he's a black belt. So he's skilled. I forget how Mikey wins this. Yeah, I could have kept that out. I could tell what exactly happened. Get it a little bit further here. I think what happened here? It seemed like he got pounded either or something. Oh, they pushed him out of bounds. I don't know what that won on this. I think they're out of bounds. Yeah, that's all that it was. That's just out of bounds. So Scooterhead see what happens, what he catches him with.

2:09:57What happened? I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. Oh, so he won by points? Yeah, that's why I'm sure. Okay, so he won by points. I think you're making the point for me here. Yeah. Well, in that case, that guy's strangled a lot of much larger people than him. But again, he's extraordinary. He's a world champion. He's a world champion for one, which is this huge organization in Singapore that do these events, where they have all kinds of martial arts. They have MMA, Thai boxing. Yeah. So you would do it under any rules. Sure. All right, let's go. I like the fact that you're interested in doing this.

2:10:34It's fun. It makes it fun. Yeah, I mean, I could, you know, this could be an exercise in hubris. We could find out. We could find out. I'd like the fact that Zux interested in it too. I like the fact that he trained so much. Yeah, I mean, there's, there aren't very many ways to actually, if you stick to the rules that you do, to, like, for example, if you want to put someone in an on luck, you have to be able to extend their arm. And if you, if somebody is strong enough that they, that you cannot extend their arm, then you're limited to chokes, chokes. Yeah. And you can, you can do an on luck across the groin with, with both arms and legs.

2:11:14Like, uh, hoist grace, he did upside down and it was like the third UFC fighter, something like that. Yeah. He was pretty severely damaged. That was any fog chemo, yeah. That a nice guy. Yeah. And he did upside down on, um, on luck across the groin because he could not do an on luck, um, you know, a sort of sidebar on luck. So, um, but after that, people were like, why is it that move? So, they're like, we're not going to be a lot of themselves to get an on luck across the groin without, you know, that that was like a, you know, overconfidence, I think. Well, it was exhaustion. I mean, they fought like tooth and nail for, yeah.

2:11:54Some like seven or eight minutes and, you know, hoist survived and then eventually wore the guy, well, when you're a big steroided up guy like that too, the oxygen depletion, like the amount of oxygen your muscles require, you gas out pretty quickly when you're that big, unless you're insanely conditioned. Yeah, but like there's no way for him to do, um, you know, on luck, like a single, a single arm on luck. Uh, he couldn't do it because - Single arm on luck. Like if you try to do a lock on the side. So like inside control. So from someone like legs across your face, is that what you mean? No, if you, if you try to do, do, do an on bar on the side, you know, one on one across the knee, you know, across the thigh.

2:12:34Like you have to be able to extend the arm. You're, you're, you're essentially your, um, you know, triceps have to be able to exceed the strength of their bicep, is what it comes down to. But if you cannot exceed the strength of their bicep, then you will not be able to do an extension. I'm not sure what I, are you talking about like a kimura, like a straight arm bar? Yeah. Oh, so you're talking about like with just the arms. Wait, wait, you just have one arm. Like, like, yeah, like, if it's, if it's one on this is one arm. But that's never the case. It's almost always the whole body is engaged.

2:13:09That, that's the, I think that's, it's, well, in judo, that's a very common hold, very common. A one arm arm bar. Yeah, one on, yeah. Um, you know, you have your one arm around the neck. Mm -hmm. And you take their arm and you extend it across. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. So like from a scarf hold. So scarf hold, you would take the arm and put it over and you would push it down with one arm. Yeah, that's unusual though. Yeah, that's an unusual arm bar. But if one person is much stronger than, another than they can. That one. That is, that's the move. Yeah. But it's a very fast move because you can take someone right from a throat, drop them on the floor, right into an arm bar.

2:13:48Yeah. Okay. That's a very specific arm bar. 10 seconds. Right. That's a rare arm bar. You never see that in MMA. What you do see though is the two legs isolate the arm and then the person grabs a hold of it with the thumb up and uses all their body weight. Yeah, yeah, that's what, that's what Gracie did. Yeah, that's what most people do when they apply an arm bar. Yeah. Whether it's from the back, like you know, a lot of people have done that. Or whether it's from side control, which is a little more easy because you have control of the body. Yeah, I mean it's also just that, that, you know, UFC is not just jujitsu.

2:14:23You can punch people. Right. That makes a big difference. Big difference. Big difference. Huge. Yeah. MMA has changed the ideas of jujitsu because there's a lot of techniques that people do where it works well in competition when someone's like grabbing your leg when you can't just rain down punches on their face. Yeah. There's a lot of other things. It's just, it's just pounding in the face is pretty hard to, to be chill, you know. Especially if they're way, if, if, if, if somebody's got gorillas in your face. Yes. It's not going to be a good day. Yeah, Carlson Gracie famously had a phrase that if you take a black belt, you punch them in the face, it becomes a brown belt.

2:14:59Punch, punch, punch them again. He becomes a purple belt. Yeah. And so on and so forth. If, if, I mean most people have not been punched in the face. I've been punched in the face. So, you know, it just comes as a surprise. Yeah. Yeah, it probably does come as a prize. I mean, it is also like, even the UFC has a lot of limitations that you can't do 12 clock elbows, you know. So that's, that's changing. They're getting really good. A lot of do 12 clock elbows. Finally, finally, I've been singing that from the top of the roof forever. Okay. It's so nuts. It's so stupid. You know what it came from?

2:15:32No. It came from Big John McCarthy, who was the original UFC referee. Okay. And Pioneer this board. He was bringing this to athletic commissions and they were allowing certain techniques, but one of them they wouldn't allow was the 12 to 6 elbow because they saw those late night karate demonstrations for someone like smash brits like that. They thought someone would die if they hit him with this definitely going to sting. Yeah, but it's not even harder than this one. This one's harder because this one you can throw your body weight into it and it's a more natural movement. Yeah. This is an unusual movement.

2:16:06I mean, I'm sure you could train it and get it probably as hard, but I think for most people, for me, I could tell you for sure, this elbow has more power. Well, I think any elbow in the face is going to be a big wake up call if you've never had an elbow in the face. It fucking sucks. It fucking sucks. Did you watch the big Tyson Fury Francis and Gano Boxy match? So they're only about the year off? No, this is the last night Tyson. Have you had your under a holy feel? That's from the 90s. Yeah. No, this fight that took place this last weekend. Francis and Gano was the UFC Heavyweight Champion.

2:16:36He vacated the belt so he could take this fight with Tyson Fury. This was his dream fight. Tyson Fury who's the Lineal Heavyweight Champion. Francis and Gano had never had a boxing match ever in his life. Had zero boxing matches, but he was the UFC Heavyweight Champion. Okay. Knocked down Tyson Fury in the third round, beat him up in the eighth round. Most people, including me, thought he should have won the decision, including most boxers, most boxing pundits. And he lost by one point on one judge's scorecard. He won on one judge's scorecard. Another judge who should go to jail had it 96 -93 for Tyson Fury, which is fucking outrageous.

2:17:15But Francis and Gano, who is a literal freak of nature, I mean this guy grew up in camp. Cameroon and was working in the sand mines when he was a child. Like a fucking Conan move. Like Phalanx, exactly. It's really boring. Conan's like pushing the thing around in a circle. Yeah, he's developing his body, digging the sand all day. He's supremely physically advanced. Let's fit. He's not just fit. He's the hardest puncher ever measured in all of the main. There's a machine that we actually have outside at the gym. Okay. If you hit this thing, Francis has hit it harder than any person really ever lived.

2:17:53Yeah, well look at him. Can I hit it? Yeah, we can set it up. I have to record for the kick for a while. Okay. No, no. Somebody, a couple of people beat it now. But Francis punched like it's an insane, it's like getting hit by a fucking car. Sure. And when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round, you see Tyson's on his back going, what the fuck? And then he realizes like, because he, I think he, yeah, so he was just going. Well, a sledgehammer. Well, he thought he was going to run him over because he's the boxing heavyweight champion. He's like, there's no way this guy could box with me. He even set it at the beginning of the fight.

2:18:25It's time to go to school. Okay. And then Francis said at the end of the fight, you are a shitty professor. You should watch it. It's a good French show. I mean, it's on the SPM plus. It's still, I'm pretty sure you can still get it. Yeah. Anyway, I just, it's a, yeah. I'm just excited that you're interested in doing it still. Sure. All right. Did you fuck your back up doing like sumo wrestling? Yeah. What happened there? Still, that's a little bit actually. I've had like four operations. Really from that? Well, I had like, I, and I had like some childhood injuries. Like I said, I was in some sort of pretty severe fights as a kid.

2:19:13Like really, like, I was almost killed at one point. So really? What happened? It was just in school in South Africa. It's a very violent place.

2:19:26So there's been many involuntary fights, it's just the way it was. But anyway, so I had like, and I had some rugby injuries as well. I saw South, I thought I'd go on the World Cup, which is cool. And then rugby. So I think that was like not a good starting position. But then the World Champion, Sumo wrestlers, all champions, Sumo wrestlers, they had to have like a demo about for my birthday. And since it was my birthday, they, I guess they just, they call up the birthday boy and say like, hey, do you want to Sumo wrestle? This is where, like, the, the, the, the, the similar weight, differentially, it was 50 % heavier than me.

2:20:05So, like, I got a 360, 360, 70 pounds.

2:20:11And it's a, I knew you'd take it easy on me in the first round. So the only way I'm going to knock him over is, is momentum. So I got to basically run at him. So I did. I run at him, did a judo throw, knocked him over, and smashed the disc in my neck in the process. Oh. Yeah. It's like, it'd be like running at that wall, you know. If you run out of wall, it's gonna hurt. Did you have to get it fused or anything? Yeah. Oh, man. That's the thing. So it's like you can knock, you can, you can knock over someone. You can, you can defeat someone bigger than you if you're willing to, you know, smash the disc in your neck.

2:20:46Well, if you know what you're doing, and you're willing to smash the disc in your neck, those two things. So it wasn't expect me to beat a total lunatic on round one. And it defeated me obviously in round two and three because he was like, oh, now he knows what to expect. But so I like five minutes of glory and a decade of pain.

2:21:09Now that you've got your neck fused, that creates problems with the upper and lower discs as well, doesn't it? Over time, if there's too much neck rotation, it can be, it can damage the... How long ago was this? Yeah, this operation? Man, I had three operations. What do you got infused? How long ago? I had two artificial discs, and I'm actually in favor of artificial discs. They put the wrong ones, wrong disc in, but then eventually the third one is like, let's just fuse it. They put the wrong one in? Yeah, twice. So... How so? Because I have friends that have artificial discs. Yeah, and I'm actually in favor of artificial discs.

2:21:48You just need to have the right one. So in my case, the, this point I know a lot about it, the C5, C6, right facet is impacted. The facets are like the outriggers, you got the center core of the spine, facets the outriggers, and they're shangled. So they're like, you know, one on top of the other like this. There's a little nerve that goes out in between the C5, C6. And if those, if those vertebrae come close together, they grind the nerve. So you get the nerve, they just sort of start shearing the nerve. Now, so my, my, my, my, my C5, C6 right facet, and it shows up clear as day on like a technician scan.

2:22:32So if you could do like a radioactive scan with technician, it's very clear where the problem is. So what should have been done was a simple hinge, like, you know, basically to move the, move the vertebrae, that the, basically the C5 vertebrae back about maybe an eighth of an inch to sort of unload the facet, and then put a simple hinge. So just rotation. But I was given a one is called a Moby C, which is a more mobile disc. The Moby C allows it not just rotation, but also translation. So it can move back and forth. So that then didn't solve the impacting of the C5, C6, because it could, it could slide.

2:23:21And when it would slide forward, the C5, C6 would bang and crunch the nerve. And what does the normal neck do? Well, the, the disc is like, it's like a gummy bear basically. So it allows rotation and translation. So it's like, it's like sitting on like a jello pillow. Like one of those Boussou balls that people said, like a rubber, a rubber pillow basically.

2:23:52So the, the natural disc allows for rotation and translation. So the, the basically put a disc that had too much mobility in and did not solve the C5, C6, no impact. So then, then, you know, the third time round is like, listen, I just don't want to take a chance here. Let's just fuse it. And so it just limits your mobility? No, I'm fine. I'm like, I can put quite a lot of leftons. It's okay. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah. I'm like, you know, totally stiff necked. No, you don't seem like you're stiff necked at all. There was a guy who fought the UFC named Yoel Romero and he's a real freak too, an amazing athlete.

2:24:34And he came from the Cuban wrestling program. He was one of the greatest wrestlers. It's like ever competed amateur wise. He had his entire neck fused and when he runs, like his neck doesn't move, it's kind of freakish. Okay. Like you see him running and his neck looks like it's a stick. Wow. And the whole body is like moving around but the neck is just locked in place. It's very bizarre to look at. I mean, he runs like a man whose entire neck is fused. Like watch him. See if you could show the image of him here. Watch him run. Wow. See how his neck is in good shape. Oh yeah, you think? I mean, you don't get in any better shape than this guy.

2:25:15By the way, he looks like that now and he's 46, 47 years old. And still competing at the highest level in Belator. I mean, he's an unbelievable athlete. And one of the most explosive guys has ever fought in the sport. Just insanely powerful and fast.

2:25:34Cool. So you competed the highest level with your neck fused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not too worried about that. Al Jermaine Sterling, who was the UFC band -of -way champion, he got his neck fused and got a disreplaced rather than his neck and then went on to defend his title three times. Still fighting at the highest level with a fake disc in his neck. Well, I guess it'll be okay then. Yeah, well medical science is pretty fucking incredible what they can do now. You know, I mean, injuries that would have like, you would have been fucked for the rest of your life. Just a few decades ago. Yeah. Now you're good to go.

2:26:13Yeah. So I'm excited we've kind of rekindled this zuck versus Elon fire. I mean, he's checking out what that's the I don't think he's checking it. Yeah, no, he's checking out. Do you think so? Yeah, buck, buck, buck. Well, maybe he's a sucks. Sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks.

2:26:29I'll go into fighting using taunts. It might work. Yeah. I mean, somehow or another you got him to start the first place. I was stunned. Surely he will respond to a taunt like that. Yeah, surely. I mean, how can he resist? How can he resist? Yeah. Exactly. Let's go full school. School yard, uh, twenty. What if there was like real um, consequences on the line? Like, what if you guys had a real bet? Okay, like the moderation team from X takes over moderation of Facebook if you win. No problem. Sounds good. And if he wins, fight the verse. It was a fight for civilization. Yeah. A literal fight for civilization.

2:27:08I mean, I'll do it. Wow. Heavy. True. And you want to even train for this? No, I'd train a little bit. Train a little bit? Yeah. Like how many weeks you need?

2:27:22I mean, I don't have to train. I could do it like tomorrow. I tried going to his house, actually. Did you really? Yeah, because he lives in Palo Alto. And we're doing some, you know, Tesla full self driving testing. So I'm like, well, we've got to pick a destination. Which press the button, go to do navigate to Zuck's house. Yeah, basically. It's not far. He's like, I think he's like three miles away from the Tesla, Tesla California headquarters. Wow. But I don't know if there's nobody there. It's probably in Hawaii. According to his books when he was traveling. Oh, yeah. It was in a while if he was there.

2:28:00Yeah. I literally, I like anytime. I thought it was funny. To go like, you know, I'm coming over to your house. I'm going to get you. Well, it's even more funny. It's two of the richest guys in the world. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, he didn't, didn't answer. No. Too bad. Yeah, too bad. It's, it's just fun. It's fun. And I'm glad you're just for the fun of it. I mean, I think it would be, well, actually, like Dana, Dana White thinks it would be like the, like the, you know, a really big ticket. It would be fucking huge. I would comment it on that. Yeah. I mean, the process could go to charity and stuff.

2:28:40It would be crazy. People would want to see what the hell is going on. Oh my god, it would be fucking huge. Yeah. Yeah. It would be really crazy. Crazy. Like if they close the thing. Yeah. And Bruce Buffer is in there. Yeah. It's time. Let's go. The place would go fucking bananas. Bananas. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Does it have to be in the calcium? Would you agree to it? No, I've done it anywhere. I literally sit anywhere. Any time. You know where you should do it. Any rules. You know where you should do it. The spear in Las Vegas. The spear is great. I was just there. It's amazing. It's amazing.

2:29:14Yeah. I've only seen it on the outside, but it looks good on it. No, the inside is even better. I've seen video. I haven't seen it live. But I think I don't know. And it was really cool. It's awesome. Like it's really good. I think it might be the best show on earth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you have visuals that accompany the music, like, if you have like some like Roger Waters, like what which his show was like, it's insanely visual, something like that. Yeah. And the sphere would be incredible. The art in the show that I saw on Saturday night was incredibly good. I don't know who did all the art, but what was the band?

2:29:46It was you too. Oh, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I've been to you two concerts and you two is great. But the sphere is really like if you two hadn't been there, it's still be great. Yeah. Yeah, you two. It's like a, you know, like on Sunday, there was a movie. There was a play a movie there. Wow. Maybe a look in old directions. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, it's like actually being like in virtual reality. Yeah. In fact, it was such. It was so wild the Saturday night one, especially. That you you step outside after the show and like you're like, why is reality so boring? Oh, so this is a postcard from Earth.

2:30:30It's Darren Arunovsky's thing. Oh, wow. And you're watching this. That's what that on Sunday. And it covers the whole ceiling. Oh, my God. It's really great. You saw it there. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's I'm that's incredible. Yeah, it's really good. That would be the great. I like what I say. It's like a movie. I think it like Saturday night. The Saturday night show. I know obviously you two asked it, but I can say that the sphere is really special in and of itself. I think it's probably the best show I've seen. Wow. Yeah. I can imagine. I mean, it's just what an amazing venue and what an incredible idea.

2:31:04Yeah. It's really good. To have the entire ceiling. All screen. I got a head to Dola. And that was amazing. Yeah. Absolutely amazing. I'm so glad that he did that. And then also the outside. Oh, that's incredible. They're really play with perspective. God, it's incredible. Because it's it's round, but it doesn't look round. Right. So it'll be like it'll simulate like a square like also it's a shapes. Wow. And then also the outside of it. Like they had the outside of it. It looks like earth. It's just amazing. It's really cool. Yeah. Super cool. So I like these epic things. That's the venue. You know, it's really cool.

2:31:40That's the venue. That's where it needs to go down in the sphere. Sure. Yeah, that's even better than Colesium. Okay. Yeah. Especially if the United States falls, that would be our Colesium. This would be our Rome. If Vegas would be our Rome. I mean, the same reminds me of being like a modern day Colesium. Yeah. Yeah, like a modern day version. Like what would they do with our technology currently? Yeah. And then Vegas is like kind of Rome -esque in the sense that when we think about like the the heat and is of Rome, it's final days, that's Vegas. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Let's go.

2:32:16Let's go. Are you not entertained? You will fucking be entertained. You'll be fucking entertained. So entertained. No doubt. That's do it. There's one point in time where you were trying to get people to do a pause on AI. I mean, I signed on to a letter that someone else wrote. I didn't think that people would actually pause. But you thought it was probably a good idea if they did. I mean, I think so. Yeah. I mean, making some sort of digital see it with intelligence, seems like it could be dangerous. It certainly has potential. And certainly has the potential. Well, when you were talking about what this mind virus, how it was able to propagate through the social media.

2:33:09And being control of social media platforms. Think about what that means if that same mind virus gets in control of a super intelligence. And that is possible. No, that's what, that's actually what I think the biggest danger is for AI is that if AI is implicitly programmed, I don't think they could explicitly, but implicitly programmed with values that lead to, that have led to the destruction of downtown San Francisco. And a bunch of these AI companies are in the San Francisco, in either in San Francisco or in the San Francisco Bay Area. Then you could implicitly program an AI to believe that extinction of humanity is the, what it should try to do.

2:33:52I mean, if you take that guy, he was in the front pages, no times. And you take his philosophy, which is prevalent in San Francisco. The AI could conclude like he did that there are eight, where he literally says there are eight bullying people, and well, it would be better if there were none. And engineer that outcome. Yeah. Well, especially if it doesn't need us anymore. If it becomes sentient and then has the ability to make its own decisions and make a better version of itself, it would find us to be nothing but a problem. Like we had nothing to offer anymore. Yeah, it is a risk. So, you know, and like if you query Chatchee BT, I mean, it's pretty work, you know.

2:34:41Yeah. So, I mean, people that like experiments like, right -up -home praising Donald Trump and they, it won't. But he asked, right -up -home praising Joe Biden at will. Yeah. So I'm like, you know. Let's a little sketchy. Well, it's, unfortunately, it's programmed. And yeah. It's programmed to be that way. Is it possible to overcome those problems? Is it possible that we could realize the dangers that are involved in creating this, but somehow are another engineer in a way that would be ultimately beneficial to people? Or is that just a whim? Has it, I hope, in a prayer, a utopian version of what could happen versus the most likely outcome?

2:35:31If you say like, what is the most likely outcome? Yeah, I think the most likely outcome to be specific about it is a good outcome, most likely a good outcome. But it's not for sure. So, I think we have to be careful how we program the AI. And make sure that it is not accidentally anti -human. Hmm. So, you know, the accidentally extinctionist AI, you wouldn't want that. Or even pruning. Well, that is kind of how it works is that these, what they call, large language models. But, you know, it's really just a big pile of numbers. And how you tune those numbers matters. It's like pruning a tree. You know, you could have a mighty oak.

2:36:28You could be a little bonsai or a mighty oak. Hmm. So, depending on how you prune it. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, if it decided to prune, if it decided the real issue. Perhaps. Yeah. We cause problems. Or maybe it would prune places in the world that are, you know, overwhelmingly polluting like third world countries. Maybe it would decide that they're not very necessary. Particularly if we use computers or AI or some sort of robotics to do human labor. And then you have these areas where human beings are doing this labor and they're polluting. And, you know, there's all sorts of issues that come about because of that.

2:37:12You say, well, we just eliminate those people. We eliminate that issue. And then we have 30 % less garbage in the ocean. And then it makes this call. Yeah. Yeah.

2:37:26It's something we should be concerned about. I actually want me to go. Oh, shit. I need to go. Should we wrap it up? Yeah. Because I have to go to the airport. I actually fly it. I'm flying to London. Yeah. You were swinging that.

2:37:45Yeah. Just for AI safety. AI safety conference in London. So, yeah. I'm leaving getting about an hour and a half. What do you hope to get out of this conference? Well.

2:38:12I don't know. I mean, I'm just generally concerned about AI safety. But it's like, what should we do about it? I don't know. Have some kind of regulatory oversight. Some kind. It's like, you can't just go build a nuclear bomb in your backyard. That's against the law. And you'll get thrown in prison if you do that. How much of a concern is it? I think maybe more dangerous than a nuclear bomb. Really? Yes. How much of a concern is it if another country develops it before us?

2:38:58I don't know. I don't know if that the we were just concerned about AI being anti -human. That's sort of the thing that matters. So potentially. I'm saying it's like a journey learning a journey out of a bottle. It's sort of like a magic journey that can make wishes come true, except usually when they tell those stories that doesn't end well for the person who let the journey out of all of them. Right. Do you think we're creating a life form?

2:39:40Yeah. I mean, something that is indistinguishable from intelligence and intelligent life form, certainly. I keep coming up against this idea. I keep banging it in my head that we're some sort of an electronic caterpillar that's creating a cocoon. And we don't even realize what we're doing. And we're about to give birth to some technological butterfly. Yeah.

2:40:11Yeah. Well, I think that's where on the cusp of an artificial intelligence revolution.

2:40:23And for the longest time, for a very long time, we've been the smartest creatures on Earth. That's been our defining characteristic. Speaking of martial arts, I don't think anyone should challenge a soul of a gorilla to a fight. Even if you're very good at martial arts, that's going to kill you. It literally walks on its fists. Those fists meet your face, the game over. So we're not stronger than a gorilla. We're not faster than other animals. We're smarter. Now, what happens when there's something way smarter than us? Where does it go? It's a good question. Well, listen, go talk to those people.

2:41:19Go school them. I hope something good comes out of it. And thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming in here. It's a fun. Good to see you. Always good to see you. Thank you. Thanks for everything, man. Thanks for buying Twitter too. Really? I hope it was a lot to be good. You know, that was, as per recently, a post -weekend. I think at the very least, it stopped a lot of bad. Yeah. Good. All right. Bye, everybody. Thank you.