#2057 - Dale Brisby

24:25Yeah. And the stunt bull is like a less aggressive. For sure. Yeah, I think it's aggressive as fuck. I call him, I call like the one I have. He would be like my bucket list, bull. Because like if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it, like I would put him on this one black bull we call him trunk. He just jumps and kicks around there and he's a little, he's kind of predictable and he's not mean at the end of it. And then we've got some other bulls that you know, we'll get it on in the gate and then be mean and might try to kill you. But I imagine I vaguely remember the show and what I remember about it, it would be like something probably a notch or two above trunk like my bucket list type bull rod.

25:04Like if you were to get on a bull, I would put you on trunk. Yeah, it's not going to happen. So not interested in that. Right. We don't want to be on there. I don't want to be on there. We got a relationship that way. It's we got a good agreement. And normally I try to talk people out of it. Good. Like I got my whole program like his revolves around like interns coming in. Like my Netflix show was those like my interns learning how to rodeo. And they and so I've got guys coming in that one ride bulls, one ride Bronx, and I'll tell them like all the thing like, listen, number one, you could die.

25:42Or worse, you know, you could die from the neck down and not the neck up, you know. Right. And I'll just be real with them. I'll have three or four of those conversations. And if they still want to do it, well, then I'll teach them, you know, because there are some precautions you can take to minimize risk, but there's always risk. Yeah, you get you might get kicked. Yep, stepped on you might get stomped. You stopped by a bullet. Good Lord. Have you been stomped? Oh, yeah. What does that feel like? I broke I broke a lot of bones like this. I broke my sternum like, you know, getting kicked, you know, stepped on in the chest.

26:19That one's pretty bad. But a lot of the worst ones would be like concussions. That's those are the ones that'll stick with you. You know, those bones will heal. But the concussions will kind of, you know, that CTE, that's something that's not measured in rodeo. Right. You know what I mean? Right. You get some guys then. All of a sudden start getting knocked out just they can think about getting jerked down and they might not go out. Yeah, that gets sketchy, right? Yeah. When the chin goes, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just like fighters. You get knocked out too many times and you get knocked out really easily.

26:51Right. It's very spooky to see. When I see it in fighters, it makes me very concerned. But sometimes you got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights. And he used to be real durable and then you see him get dinged once and you see like instantly the legs go and you're like, oh my god, he barely got touched. Yep. And he got rocked. Yeah. There's just, I'm sure with fighters too, there's just this once that sport grabs a hold of your soul. It's so hard to let it go. And it's the most exciting moments of your life is winning and competing. And that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull grade.

27:28Yeah. I think it's very hard for them. And it's also hard for them because their identity gets wrapped up in being a fighter. A lot of my friends that have retired, they really struggle trying to figure out who they are afterwards. And then they entertain one more fight. And then it's like, but they don't really want to fight. They just want something that makes them excited again. Yes, sir. And there's kind of a, I think the winning and going down the road is part of it. And then you have those certain individuals that, and I think, I mean, you know, a lot of them in that world. I feel like cowboy is definitely one of them, seroni, but like in rodeo, when there's somebody that is in love with the actual fight.

28:17Yeah. You know, like, I think a lot of people, and these guys get weeded out. They don't have that long of career in rodeo. I'm sure fighting's the same that like they like to have fought. They like to have ridden bulls. Mm -hmm. But then you get those guys who like, cameras are off. Nobody's there. And they don't like, they want to get on a brunt. Like they love the thrill of that fight. Not on your head. The gate opens. Right. It's you and it's so pure. Mm -hmm. So pure. And I'm sure like a fighter that is just, they're just hungry for it. Yeah. The actual between the bells. Yeah. That's what's scary.

28:51Maybe all of them that on your level, they're all like that. I think they would have to be, I guess, to a degree. Once they get to the highest level, I mean, that is who they are. You know, like Donald, I mean, he's a pure fighter. But Donald is also very, he's just a lot of interests. I'm not worried about Donald transitioning because he's, I think he has a legit possibility to be a movie star. I think he could do it. If any of those guys could do, I mean, movies are always looking for like a real hard looking cowboy motherfucker. And Donald's that guy. Yeah. I mean, he's perfect for movies. I could see him like, Randy Cotors turned it into a career in films, you know, with the expendables movies and all kinds of other shit.

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31:13Donald did? Yeah. It's really cool. It was very well put together. And we're working on, he and I are doing like a comedy where... Nice. Yeah. So I got a guy working for me that's right in it. Right now. Beautiful. So it'll be fun. I love Donald. He's a wild boy. Yeah, he wants you to come out to his kids camp. That seems to be his last chance. He's a kid's camp. It's in the summer in June. He does, like, he just has kids come out and they just learn to be like miniature cowboy seronies. Like they, we shoot bows, guns, they roll every day and they just, there's sessions, campfire sessions at night.

31:55That's awesome. That's like 50, 60 kids. That's his, that's probably the thing he's most passionate about now that he's done fighting. That's beautiful. He talks about it all the time. He's got a good heart. Yeah. He really does. Yeah. It's a good man. But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with his dude in the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud. You couldn't see anything. One of the, even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt.

32:29So he's like searching around for the opening to try to figure out how to get out. Yeah. That's an intense story. Fuck. Think about his family, think about his kids and his wife and never see them again. He's going to die in this cave. Like fuck. He's got that never quit attitude. Yeah. And also like don't go cave diving with people who panic. Yeah. You know, just people who panic are dazed. Don't do anything with people that panic. Don't do anything. Yeah. You have to experience panic many times in your life and figure out how to manage. That before you start fucking around in caves. Yeah. That should not be the first time you're really panic.

33:09I'm nervous if a situation went down that I'm not saying I'd be something bad ass. I'm just saying like I might be too desensitized, having been around rodeo. Like yeah. An emergency situation would be like we'd be eight, nine, ten seconds into it before I'm like, oh man, we need to do something. Right. Just because like seeing guys get harassed in the arena and like having to help them, you know, situations like that. Right. I don't know. But I'm sure fighters are the same way. But they definitely get desensitized to be able to get hurt. Yep. For sure. You know, what time my wife, she had like one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing and she was taking something out of the back.

33:54And the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know. And she stood up and slammed it, the corner of it right into the top of her head and blood starts trickling down her face. She was freaking out. And I looked at it, I'm like, it's like that big. It's like a little cut. We get super glute. I was like, there's nothing. Yeah. I was like, to me, it was like, if it was that was my head, I'd be like, oh, it's just a little cut. It's no big deal. But you're like, blood. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my god, I'm so, it's a person I love more than anyone. And I'm so desensitized. It's like a little cut.

34:27Yeah. I'm like, this is nothing. This is like a barely an injury. I'm so used to seeing people just busted open their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and they're like, don't stop the fight. Let them fight. You know, you're so used to seeing guys that probably have a broken hand because they haven't thrown it in two rounds. You're so used to seeing guys get fucked. I've seen so many guys. I've seen like four guys have their legs stamped from checking kicks now. You see so many injuries. Yeah. I get so desensitized seeing people just getting fucking knocked into another dimension with a head kick.

35:01It's so normal. I rodeo to the guy. We went together for years, Ross shared. He was a Marine. So he came back from Iraq and started riding bareback horses. And he got, he got jerked down into like a pipe vents and just like crushed his face. He had to surgery and he just never knocked out. Just stood up and he's just a little stocky Marine. Door to door Marine. He just walks out. He's like, I'm going to go down here to the hospital. Just blood everywhere. Broken eye socket. Broken everything. We helped him. But it made me think, I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena.

35:47But I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim. Right. Who have done MMA and band -aaf, Gannastan? Yeah, that's a different level of seeing people get fucked up. Yeah. Watch somebody come out without a arm. Not just an arm broken. Well, you know, Tulsi Gavard. She has that white streak in her hair. That came when she was deployed, when she was working on these medical units. Dang. Yeah, that's where she got that just from the horrors of seeing all these people shot up, blown up. Just to stress it. Just to save their lives, trying to put them back together again. Yeah. Dang. Yeah. Yeah, that's something you can't unsee.

36:27Yeah. Yeah, there's, I mean, and there's so many people in this world that have experienced nothing. Right. And there's floating around. Yeah. Not having any experience with any kind of chaos. Yeah. A little bit of pain here and there is, I don't know, just to show you what the good times mean. It gives you some perspective for sure and seeing how vulnerable the human body is. You know, we're vulnerable as shit. Yep. Whether we like to think of it or not, think of yourself as a badass or still made out of basically a fucking meat water balloon. Right. You know, it's, it'll, it'll make it. Is this water open?

37:11Yeah. Yeah, let's grab that. It'll make a guy come to Jesus on the back of the shoot. That's for sure. Oh, yeah. Especially coming back from an injury. Oh, I would imagine, you know, because then you get to get back on the horse. Right. Literally. Yep. Yeah. How did you start rodeoing? Wouldn't hold you. I mean, I was born into it. My dad was, I was kind of, I was on the rough, roughy end of the arena. So like if you go to a rodeo arena, there'll be time to vent side and a rough stock side. The time to vent is like a team rope and, uh, calf rope and barrel racing. And then the rough stock end is the bucking horses, bucking bulls, bullfighters, pick up men.

37:51There's five things you can do down there. Um, bear back side of the ronk bull riding and then the pick up man and the bullfighters. So there's five jobs you do on that rough stock end. And my dad did all those. And so like I grew up, like a roughy, so to speak, and fell in love with all of it. And, uh, you know, it's kind of two stories. Bull riding. I'm the greatest of all time. And the most humble, you know, I'm sick and tired of you two pulling down all my bull rides. You know, it just gets old. Do they pull your bull rides down? I'm just so violent. I'm just so violent. But broncriding has been like the thing that I've chased.

38:29And like that's what that's one of the last things my dad did. And broncriding is similar to bull riding except it's a horse not a bull. And, uh, but yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was like, 10 or 12. Oh my God. You know, and, uh, and then it was all down here from there. I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path I was going on no matter what. And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he, that's just, that was in our blood. That's just what we did. And I was going to do it whether he pushed me or not. And, uh, and then I just once it got, once that fight, experiencing that fight of every night, I wasn't much for the party.

39:13And there's a lot of guys that all of it together, the party and then that lifestyle, like I enjoyed having a good time. But for me, being behind the shoots, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back. I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys. I would agree with that. 100%. I was awake. In Vegas, there's a lot of times where UFC events or I'll do a comedy event and then we'll align with when the rodeo's in town. And then they're far. And those dudes are just different. Like you could see it in their fucking face. You know, they're just different. I'm usually driving them.

39:47Yeah. I'm usually driving them. Yeah, I've always been, you know, the sober one of the group. But, um, I heard you avoid the party and my dad did it. And so, like, just when I was a kid, like, I just kind of, I'm not really ever succumbed to pure pressure. Like, I just kind of was going to be on this path. And, uh, he was like John Wayne mixed with Woodrow call mixed with Billy Graham. Like, he was like a Christian man, hard cowboy. It was still a hard ass. And it was, so I kind of, he didn't like tell me like you can never drink, but I just didn't. And then before I knew it, I looked it back and I just had it and drank and I was having a pretty good time.

40:33I'm like, the old one, like when I get something, I get it. And I knew that if I got that, it would get me. Yeah, I just know that. Yeah, that's why I've avoided cocaine. I don't, I don't do cocaine. I do like the way it smells, but I don't know. I've never been smell that. I'm just kidding. I haven't done that either. I had a friend of mine when I was in high school and his cousin started selling it. And his cousin, like, it's almost like a dude who got bit by a vampire. Like, he became a different person. Like, he became, he lost a lot of weight, got really skinny, wasn't eating. And him and his girl would just, they had an apartment that was like in the attic of this house.

41:11And they would just sit in their apartment and like, do coke and watch movies and sell coke. And his life kind of just like slipped away into this very bizarre addiction thing. And this was like, I guess I was like 16 or 17 when that was happening to him. And I remember thinking like, fuck that drug. Whatever that is, that drug fucking grabs you. I don't want to have nothing to do with that. It seems like one of those forks in the road. And like, when you do try it or do it a little bit, like, it's going to take you down this other, like your life takes a turn. Like, that seems like a good illustration of it's just like, what would he have been like?

41:50Had he never done that, you know? Right. Like, it just, that, and maybe that's kind of the way I view the alcohol. But, mm -hmm. Well, it certainly is the case for some people. I mean, if I had an alcohol in my family, maybe I would have avoided alcohol too. That was kind of me too. Yeah, I didn't have that. Yeah, if you have that too and you see how it could wreck someone's life, it's hard, man. It's having control over your urges and especially if you have a physical addiction. You know, like, you get physically addicted alcohol. That is one of the ones that if you kick it too quick, you'll die.

42:23Yeah, alcohol and benzo, zanics. When people just try to kick that cold turkey, there's a possibility you could die. Yeah, scary shit. Yeah, I thought it was my sternum. I went in, I had some big life stuff happening and I was like, went in my doctor. I thought, like, you know, something with my, because my old man died with a heart attack. Actually, why was that a rodeo? And, like, in the arena. But anyways, I had like some chest pain and he went in and doctors was like, well, do you have anything big going on? I was like, yeah. And then he started talking about zanics and all this. And then I was like, I guess half ass like panic attacks or whatever.

43:02And I was like, oh, that's what it, okay. Forget we had this conversation and I just walked out. Like, I didn't want no part of like, I just, that kind of stuff would, those kind of drug or pills or whatever you want to call them, would just grab me and not let go, I think. Well, that's Jordan Peterson. I mean, he, it took him like a full year to recover. So it took him a long time to kick it and then a full year to get back to normal again. Yeah. That's that zanic stuff, scary. And they're just willing to give it to you. Like, hey, Dale, what are you? Freaking out a little bit here. Take this.

43:33This is our anti -freak out pill. Yeah. It'll only cost you a little bit. It's amazing. I've never done it, but apparently the people who've done it, they go, oh, like all of a sudden, life is a breeze. Like, we, and I'm sure when there's, like it was for me in that moment, like there's this professional telling you you should take it, makes it like, oh man, this guy said I should. Is it like, instead of this gopon? Yeah, he's legit. He's got pocket protector. Yeah, that's not going to do it. It's not going to do it. I got this buckle on. You might as well listen to me about bull riding. Must, must.

44:06Yeah, it's, and they want you to try it out. And unfortunately, they're incentivized to do that, which is even scarier. And also a lot of people want it, right? So if you're a doctor and you got someone who's got a lot of anxiety and you say, would you like Xanix? Like, yes, I would. And then boom, they got it. And they're like, thank you, doctor. I feel so much better. Well, he did his job, I guess. I don't know. Yes. Just now for me. Yeah, me neither. So you didn't have a, like this sternum wasn't like rebroken or anything. It was just a panic thing. Yeah, I was just, I was just short of breath.

44:36You know, and that's, it was kind of the start of me, like starting to look into, like, you know, cholesterol and whatnot and like really, and it ultimately led to like, I'm just going to change my diet around. But that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it's snowballed into like me changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things. Just realizing you got to get control yourself. Yeah, yeah, sure. But there's a lot of people that argue that I went the opposite direction now just eating all meat. Yeah, those people, I think, they should try it. Yeah. I mean, it's the best I've ever felt.

45:13Right. I feel my best when I don't fuck around with bread and carbs. I don't think salads are a problem, but I do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from monocrop, monocrop agriculture. That's real. I don't know how much that's doing to you. And I know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance. And then later on, you find out, you know, that fucking kills people, causes cancer. And it's a real problem and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues and this and that and that and this.

45:47And like, oh, now we know. But it took 10 years for people to figure it out. There's a lot of like very legitimate people that are sounding the alarm about the dangers of glyphosate. And the fact that when they do, they did this blood test like this study on people and they found that like 90 something percent of the people had glyphosate in their blood. Even if it's a small amount, like there's a lot of apologists to one who say, oh, it's a small amount. It's very safe. Like a small amount of something that kills you and causes cancer doesn't, I don't like that. It doesn't sound good in any way, shape or form.

46:21I don't think that should be dismissed, especially when we don't have long term studies. And how long have they been using this shit a couple of decades? Who fucking knows what it's doing to us? I don't know. What I do know about is like the beef, you know, and like, well, I say, I know more about that than I do vegetables and farming. And like, I'm a fan of, you know, I just watched this, you know, calf grow and I fed him out. And then I took him and got him processed and now I'm eating him. You know, and like, there's just something to that where I just, I don't know, that seems like natural to me.

46:59Yeah. And that seems like the way God designed it. And I like grain finished, but some people like grass fed, I think, whatever. But that just, I don't know, I just don't feel like that's wrong. I don't think it's wrong either. And I think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid. And they think that by not eating meat, you're somehow and other making life better for them. If you wanted them to live naturally, they would get killed by wolves and it would be horrible. And the way they get killed, they get their fucking hamstrings torn off. And they get taken down and they immediately tear their guts out and they swarm them and it's a horrific death.

47:36Yeah. A horrific, long, painful death. And if it's not that, they're freezing to death. If it's not that, it's mountain lines, it's not that, it's bears, it's not that, it's starving. And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild. And if you think that somehow another like pasture raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time eating grass, not a concern in the world, and then one day they get fed into a shoot and they get a bolt in their brain, takes a second, they're instantly dead. That's a better death, a better life, all the above. 100%. I went to the sailborne the other day and I took an old bull, old bucking bull there.

48:12He was probably like 10. Like if you're eating beef, odds are that sucker didn't live past a little over a year, like at the most. And so like this Joker had an extra nine years on his life as a bucking bull and it's pretty laid back. You know, he does his deal once, twice a week. And when I sold him, I bought another bull just I thought he looked cool. And now he's at my house and he's a bucking bull, a practice bull. But those other order buyers that were in the sailborne, if they'd bought that bull, like he was going to go, I guess this is just like an extension of what you're saying, like even with rodeo people that argue with it, like, man, if anything, I'm giving them a better life.

48:53You know, but regardless whether that bull would have come to be a bucking bull at my house or gone to, you know, be burger, I don't know. Is that what they would normally do to them when they're done with them, determine burger? Yeah, so whenever you get like an older cow and older bull, the stakes from them are just not as good. Like you want a young either, like I said, grain fed for me to like this perfect point, you got people in the feedlot that'll watch them, like that one's ready. And that's what, like if you go to these stake houses and get a primary buy, like that was a calf that was, I mean, that was not an old steer.

49:32You know, he probably weighed 11, 1200 pounds. And once he got to that weight, it was his time. And a steer is a castrated bull, right? Correct. So how old are they when they castrate them? We'll usually do it pretty young, like maybe three months old. And the whole idea with that is if they grow up like that, then their meat is more tender, then they get bigger. Their hormones just go a completely different direction. You know, and you can tell like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six month old, just he'll come down the shoot. He'd look at his head and he'd be like, I've got a heifer, got a bull.

50:07But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture, like that's not a steer. That's a bull, like the way that grow is much different. Like a bull is going to be more lean. A steer is going to have more fat to him. And heifers will be that way too. They're not as good to eat as like a steer. Like if you're getting a prime steak somewhere, it's probably a steer. How come? Again, like those hormones, like they're just there. So like a steer is going to be more muscular than a heifer. Like he just doesn't have the focus of like reproduction that she does. Right. You know, and now he does, he doesn't have any focus of reproduction now that you castrated him.

50:48And so like he's all about his only deal is he's going to grow and sleep. He's going to eat and sleep. And so you grow him and eat him to this perfect point in the feedlot. They'll start on a cow calf. There's three phases. When they're born, it's called cow calf. And that's the more sexy part of cow boy and ranch in is like you see him out in the pasture. And then that middle phase is the stalker phase. And that's where like a yearlin, you'll ween him at like 600 pounds. And almost a year. And then you'll send him to wheat pasture. And they'll be there for, you know, they'll gain however much weight maybe get to like 900.

51:29And then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1200 pounds. So that's the third phase is the feedlot. And they'll get finished out. And then they'll get slaughtered it. Have you ever eaten an old bull? Yeah. Yeah. So I had an old bull get crippled. And I was like, well, let's just try it. Like I got some rib eyes. Now that I'm on carnivore, like I need to meet, you know. Right. And I had this old bull get crippled. And sometimes when they get real bad crippled, you don't want to take them to sell born. So we'll just process them. And it is so much tougher. It's so much tougher. Like it, they wouldn't even sell it at the grocery store.

52:00Like a, like a 10 year old bull. If you get that rib eye, it's just not good. Did you try different ways of cooking it? Did you try like it? Because I would think that would be it would be. There's probably some ways you could doctor it up. And when I say it's not good, I'm talking like compared to a prime one. Right. But is it more like wild game? Like what is it like? Yeah, it's just, it's just going to be harder to chew through. Mm -hmm. You know, like an old bull. It's just going to be harder to... Even the tenderloins? Even the tenderloins. Now those are going to be better than like your sardloins.

52:32But they're still not going to be, there would be a noticeable difference between like a, that and a, a little over a year old steer that got processed. Because I've always felt that steaks are kind of a naturally tender anyway. It's kind of weird. When you see the difference between like eating an elk steak and eating like a beef steak, it's like you're used to like, if you eat an elk steak, you're used to chewing through it. Right. That's what meat is supposed to be like. Like dense fibers and... Oh, no, no. If you like the round steaks of an elk, then that would be similar to like a, a rib -a -maybe of an old bull.

53:14Mm -hmm. And Vegas that we eat out all the time. It's called Bizarre Meets. And one of the things that they have on the menu is old cows. Like he likes, he likes the different flavor that you get from an older cow. And so it's like, they have that as an option. I've tried it. It's really good. I was about to say, I'm sure those guys, as good as they are. Like I just got like this grid, a lot, throw it on and you know what I mean. Right. And so... I'm sure it may be sometimes if it's real thick, I'll throw it in the oven. But they probably got all kinds of tips and tricks that they can make a nine -year -old bull taste good.

53:50Well, they do it slowly over hardwoods. What they do is they have a fire. And when those Argentine grills, you know, they're cranks and lowers and raises it. The grill works grill. And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touched by the flames. And a lot of smoke and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then. And then they drop it down and sear it at the end. And it's... It sounds amazing. It's pretty amazing. When I'm at my house, I like to cook them all the same way. That way I can kind of judge them the same way. You know what I mean? Like, this is my process. This is how I cooked it.

54:22If it takes, you know what I mean? Then I'll know. But if I got to do all that extra stuff. And it's three meals a day. So like sometimes I'm just trying to have lunch, you know. And I just need to... Yeah, I need to do a quick. Eat and go. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah, it's um... So when you started and you were 10 years old, what was the first time you got fucked up? I went to... I was at Charlie Thompson's. He's in Lubbock. And my day I was like... My day used to work for Charlie. He started. He's this old stock contractor. And he was like, Charlie, I need something for him that... I don't know, just jump kick.

55:02And he put me on this big bastard. And I was maybe... I don't think I was 13. I was maybe 12. And for me he was big. But so like before that, like 8, 9, 10, like I'm riding steers and stuff like that. But my first bowl was... It was right around 12. And this Joker came out, big spotty bowl. And they come up in the front end. And everything in bowl riding is counterintuitive. So like when they come up, you've got to go up with them. But your intuition is telling you to get back away from their head. Right. And well, I mean this big scary bowl. So like first thing I did is get back. Well then when he drops, if you're back, he's going to like whip you down.

55:45Oh. And it's called getting jerked down. And it's the only time that I got jerked down. Because every time after that I jerk the bowl up. Is what happened. I'm just kidding. But he jerked me down, smashed my face. And it didn't look like Ross's from that bearback ride. But for a 12 year old it was pretty bad. I wasn't wearing a helmet. So you went face to the top of his head. Oh God. Which would, it's like a brick. I would have been what's called hat down. And now these days like everybody wears helmets. You know like JB, Mooney, good friend of mine. And me and him are two of the arguable goats.

56:25You know, and anyhow JB, he's one of the last ones. Like he's Marble Man and he would go hat down. And but like usually in a lineup you'd see one or two guys doing that. Everybody else is wearing a helmet these days. Yeah, it seems like a helmet would be a good move. Yeah, especially like I make all my interns like new guys. If you're an established bull rider and you show up at my house to get on a few, that's one thing. But if you're new, you're wearing a helmet. Yeah. Every time. I mean, it just seems like you could save a lot of people, no? For sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But is there a thing still like a bravado about being a no helmet rider?

57:02There's just something to it. Damn, it's just. It's got to be like a motorcycle rider too. I don't know. There's just something cowboy about it. Like I hate to say that because like kids out there that might be listening to this. Like I think you need to wear a helmet. But like when JB Mooney is wearing like there's just something to that like rider die. Like this is this is it's just damn. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. There's something to it. Yeah. I don't suggest it. Right. Like when he when he's got that Marble and like I don't even smoke and I don't think he's just smoke. But when JB is smoking a cigarette and he puts that he'll be an AT &T stadium.

57:43He puts that cigarette down and he's that's he's cowboy. That's a cowboy. Show me a video him. I'm running. Okay. There's a yeah there's I mean Bushwacker is obvious is one of the greatest. Yeah that's in Houston. It'll bow she's fighting just the audience appreciating more with someone's just wearing a cowboy hat. Yes. Kyle Hamilton on the shoot. He goes hat down all the time too. That is so crazy. Watching that thing kick and watching him stay on it. That is fucking nuts. Yeah. He's there's a reason people there's probably some go to Mojee's on that. Yeah like I saw a couple of them. Yeah people.

58:25Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's it. He's just so in the PBR you can have there's a point during the bull ride when you can pick your bull it's called the draft and like they'll come certain times there he is. Damn I'm going to run something in the shoot right now. This gets your blood going. Oh my gosh. Yeah this is in Austin. I mean obviously. Look at him go. That is crazy. There's Weston. He was there with me first. How many times do these guys get blown out knees, ankles? He's had too many surgeries to count. Died on operating tables. Like both shoulders done. He just broke his neck the other day.

59:14And that might have been the end of it for him. He did announce that that he was done but it took him one of my buddies. Randy was like man I'm sorry it had to be like this. You had to go out like this. You know breaking it and he said man this is what he was going to take. What did he say break his neck like what the extension of the injury? Like get to the hospital and they say okay lay right here and don't move. Tell the surgeon gets here because you could be paralyzed if you make a move. Oh God. If you make the wrong move. I've had two buddies this summer go down like that. Another one is a bronchrotter.

59:50Jacob Scrawley. They're like do not move until a surgeon flies in and does this surgery. Oh no. That was his back but it was JB's neck. Scary. That's scary shit. And that's like that's the worst of the worst kind of situation. You know what I mean? But I'm not suggesting people go try this. Like get on the other end of the arena. You know do team rope and do some calf rope and like like I don't know like I just can't. I just have to be down here. It got in my blood and I can't get it out. And I'm going in for a surgery next week for what? My shoulder. But I've had two back surgeries. I've had like six surgeries like in the last five or six years.

1:00:37Like I just got to a point. I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kind of like in your youth you just like. You're just hitting the fence. You're hitting the ground. You're getting stepped on and then all of a sudden like once they start. I don't know. But I'm going to get my shoulder redone. Is the shoulders from falling? It's dislocated five times. Oh. Yeah. Three of them were in the last few months. She's rotten. That was all from bucking horses. And is it you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on or you getting a shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?

1:01:12No, like the way I landed like the first time it came out like it was right before my back surgery because I didn't realize I was hurt. And I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses. And when I hit the ground my elbow drove and it came out the front. And so like there's you kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulders in. It's not like your hip but right. And so the bone broke off the front. And so now it's like I was trying to turn a horse the other day. Like I just reached down. He was running off with me and I reached down to turn him and my shoulder came out. And so we just kept running off like it.

1:01:47It'll just get easier and easier at this point. That's why I got a surgery. What's the extent of the injury? What's going on in there? Ligment tears? That bone that holds it in. Oh, so it's broken off? Yes, sir. Also it has to be screwed back in place. He'll take there's another bone above that they can use and he'll graph it and he'll screw it down to essentially remake that socket. Oh god damn dude. But it's bad but also like I'm FaceTime and J .B. Why he's in a neck brace. You know, like I'm not going to complain. It's all roll of the way. Yeah. I want to go visit Jacobs and he's like. So this is the video if you break his neck?

1:02:24Yeah, I haven't seen it. It's not from super close up but you can definitely see what happens here. It's not good. So here he is. Oh Jesus Christ. Oh, he landed neck first. And then he ain't going to get pulled out of there by stretcher. Like he's walking out. If his legs work, he's walking out. But he's hurting right there. Oh god. They told him he shouldn't have been able to walk out. But he didn't get jerked down there. It was just the way he landed on the back of his neck. Like his vertebrae got like twisted in there. It like broke it and twisted it in somehow. So did they have to fuse his neck?

1:03:01Yes. Oh god. Like maybe a couple of vertebrae fuse to a couple of them. It's serious. Like I said, try to get it open. But I guess once you do that, the thrill of it is probably very difficult to recreate in anything else in life. Yes, her. When you were talking about that a while ago with fighters, like that's what I was envisioning. Like what level of fight is there outside of getting on a bowl, you know. Same thing for maybe like Tim Kennedy when he got back from the house. Why do you know you guys call it bull fighting? It's just interesting. Like what is the bull riding and bull fighting?

1:03:38I'm sorry. I was talking about that video. Right. And there were there's guys around the bull ride that are bull fighters. And their role is to when he gets bucked off, they go in and distract that bull. Right. So I think that was Nate Jessus was fighting bulls there at that rodeo. And he snuck in, got that bull's attention. So JB can get out. And so you're basically going the bull to attack you. Correct. But you got on cleats and pads and you're, you know, yeah, that's Nate. And, uh, oh, look how he fell. And I think that's, that's either Nathan Harper, Cody Webster, around to the right. Like he's already getting that bull's attention.

1:04:15So like, and we're talking about like the best of the best bull fighters. So that JB's got no chance at getting hooked a second time. Right. God damn, the way he landed, that is crazy. Yeah. There's certain ways you get thrown into the, into the air that's like scary that. I've, the scariest moments are like when you're flying through the air and you can't, you can't control how you land. Right. And then, another scary moment is when you get hung up, there's a bad hang up on my, on my Instagram. It was like two or three videos ago. Like when you get hung up by your hand, it's bad. But when you get hung up by your foot, it's, and this kid almost dies like in my arena at my house.

1:05:04But like, because then you can't do anything. When you're on it, when you're hung up by your foot by your hand, you're standing up so your head's not under the bull. Uh -huh.

1:05:15Yeah, that's a Tyler Kips on a bowl we called Prison Mike. Good bull ride. Now he's about to get off.

1:05:25And see his foot, see his foot is hung. So first, like that's how you work a normal hang up when they're hung up by their hand. That's my brother right there, LaRoy. I don't know. Oh, that's not really protocol. And then my brother comes in with a knife and look at him dragging. At that point, he's out of harm's way because his head is so far away from that. Right. But you can see his foot. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, man. So right there, like where he could like, if he went under that bull, that's where we're talking about. If you got stepped on, like he could, he could have just died. And I'd been in that situation.

1:06:04So when I saw him in it, like he was like, okay, he's either going to die here. Or we got to get him out. Like one of the two, we either get him out or he dies. Right. And anyway, Tim, Tim Paulman is on it. But it's a, and that kind of stuff, it's can happen really with any, there's accidents that can happen with horses or bulls. Outside of rough stock, like you could just have a horse buck with you out in the pasture and little things like that. They're more rare. But when you go to rough stock, like riding buck and bulls and buck and horses, you kind of ask for that.

1:06:46But it's such a strange subculture that most people aren't aware of. It's a niche. Yeah. But it's a very passionate niche. Yes. And the people that are involved in it, man, it is everything to them. I think a lot of people, their eyes got open to it a little bit from Yellowstone from that series. Yeah, Tiger Sheridan's. He's amazing. He's the man. He's the man. Yeah. He's a cool dude. He is. You know, he owns that four, sixes from ancient Texas. It's 270 ,000 acres. I'm supposed to be there right now. Oh, really? Yeah. You going there after this? No. So there's, I go there in the spring and fall sometimes.

1:07:24There's like full -time guys that work there. Mm -hmm. And then when they wean in the fall or when they brand in the spring, they'll hire day workers. And they'll just come in for like a week at a time, two weeks. And I would be classified as a day worker. And what do you do there? Um, so like right now, they're weanin. So that, that, the cow calf phase that I explained earlier, where that calf is born and stays on the cow. Well, when he gets like 600 pounds, they'll wean them. And so you got to gather the whole pasture. We'll put them in the pans and we'll strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stalker phase.

1:08:04So that's what they're doing. It takes like two weeks. So on top of doing all your YouTube stuff and your podcast stuff, you're still out there doing like real ranch shit. Yes, sir. Yeah. You love that? Uh, it's. Yeah. I mean, this was an easy thing to say like, Hey, dusty, dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch. And he's one of my best friends. But I was like, Dusty, I gotta go up here. And he was like, yeah, you got to go up there. But, but yeah, like if I wasn't here, I'd be there. And I get to film a little, you know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me like little snap chats and little videos here and there.

1:08:42Because he also knows that I'm going to promote the four sixes. You know, we're not going to disparage anybody. And so, uh, but yeah, like that's, I've seen opportunities in my lawyers like, dude, you gotta get out of that small town and come to college station or Austin or Dallas Fort Worth to grow your business. And I just can't. I'll be smaller and stay where I'm at. I get to just, like I'm not going to trade this lifestyle for more money. You just love it that much. What is it about it that just gets in your blood like that? I mean, it's, I mean, like you, you felt being out, you know, Elk hunting, you know, Cowboys get that every day.

1:09:28And then when you get to do a job on the back of a horse and you, like you've got to, there's so many things involved. Like you've got to know that horse, you got to know the cows, you got to know your guys next to you. And when you get down with a full day's work, like there's, there's just something super romantic about being able to accomplish that task. I don't think anybody ever recreated to a point where people understood it before Taylor did. There's something about the way the Dutton family describes it on that show. It's like, that means how many people moved to Montana because they saw that fucking show.

1:10:05And it's real. Like people feel that way about ranching. They feel that way about rodeo. And it's just, and there's so much passion behind it. And here's the thing like the cowboy way of life. Chris will do how to song like you just can't see him from the road. Like it's not done. You just can't see us from the road. Well, I have a job now because I got good at Snapchat and, you know, and I'm showing the world like what's going on out here. And when we did the Netflix show, they were like, what should we call it? And I was like, well, I get 50, 60, 100 messages a day from people wanting to be in my intern program to just learn that they're sitting on a couch in Maryland.

1:10:49And they're like, I want to learn to be a cowboy. And so that's why we called the show how to be a cowboy was because the world is interested. Like I foresee rodeo and the ranching industry growing. Like I'm super optimistic about it. Like if legislation and all that bullshit, you know, can fade away where people think cows are the demise of society. Like then if that can like not get in our way, then the future of agriculture and rodeo and is super bright because America is interested. The world is interested. Yeah, they are. And they're I think people are interested in something that they weren't totally aware of, but that looks like it has this very passionate following.

1:11:31You know, and that's the thing about people who ranch and cowboys. It's like they fucking love it. They really love it. And there's a lot of people out there that they want to know like, why do they love it? Why does someone we everyone wants to have something that they love the way a lot of people love ranching. And they're like, why what is it? What is it about cowboying? These guys seem so satisfied and fulfilled. Like there's something very appealing about that to the average person that doesn't really like what they do. And there's something rugged and pure about it that just seems to appeal to people.

1:12:10Well, it's definitely more than just a job, you know, like if you had a it's a job. And then like I said, it's got that that that lifestyle passion factor to it where like if you're working on an assembly line, you know, in a warehouse. When that bell rings at the end of the day and you clock out like sometimes like that's it. And if it's five o 'clock, you're you're out of there before five o 'one like I was in I was in a factory the other day. And it's like it was mid day. And I was like, what are these people doing in their cars? And they were like, well, that's it's break time. Like they leave the building.

1:12:45By the time they get to their car, they only got like nine minutes. But they hated their jobs somewhat. They didn't even want to be in the building. So they went out to their car for their break. And just in the ranching and rodeo community, you have people making arguably the same amount of money on average. You know, like it's not a high paying, you know, lifestyle. But they're not leaving right at five. Like they're passionate about it. They're roping the dummy or working with a horse or, you know, having forbid solving problems, cows out on the highway kind of stuff. You know, but it's something that grabs a hold of you.

1:13:20Cowboy will grab a hold of you the same way that like rodeo and grabs a hold of you.

1:13:28I'm honored that like I have this program where three or four people a year get to come into it and they get to learn that. And I've got a few guys like my top in turn. He's been with me the longest. His name is Donnie. And Donnie was working at a bar for his dad in Missouri. No horses, nothing around him. And he came in and he learned to ride Bronx. And after four years, like now he makes money riding Bronx. Now, I don't want to be a hurt because I would feel a little responsible, but like he's hooked on this lifestyle now. And I don't know. I wish and I pray that everybody had some sort of opportunity in their life to grab a hold of something the way that rodeo and cowboy and grabs a hold of me.

1:14:13Well, I think that's what's appealing about it to people is that the people that are involved in it love it so much. And for someone who has no experience in it doesn't make sense. Like, what is it about it? So that's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to watching stuff like yellow stones. Like, other than the great riding and the drama and all that bullshit. But there's something very appealing about that, you know, I don't want to say simple life. It's not simple. It's just not modern civilization. It's not the bullshit that you have to deal with in cities and traffic and bosses and fucking cubicles.

1:14:47And it's a different complicated, but it's a complicated that seems more pure and that has people that feel deeply satisfied about doing that job. I think, yeah, you hit the nail in the head. Like, it's a unique thing. Like, most of the time people driving down the highway, they just expect animals to be out there. And then all of a sudden you look over and somebody's on top of one of them gathering the other animals. And it's just like, what is going on? Like, if you knew nothing about it, if maybe an alien showed up, you know, they're just like, and they're just like, what are they doing? And, you know, and so like, to the uneducated eye, it's just so intriguing and unique.

1:15:27And then you get into it and you realize that like, there's like a, there's a code and there's a, you know, there's passion and there's, it's a lifestyle for people. And at the end of the day, if we just break even, well, it was a free vacation, you know, and that's how people feel about money. And rodeo and the only reason rodeo cowboys care about money is because that's how they keep score. And that's how, it's like, how much money did you win? Okay, now you get to go to the NFR. If they did like a point system, we would be so broke because then we'd care about money even less because that's not why we're doing it.

1:16:00But thankfully, anyway, and that's how cowboys that are like ranch cowboys are the same way. Like, that's all I got the other day. He's a day work cowboy. When you're a day worker, you bring your own horse, you bring your own trailer truck, everything. You have your own insurance, like you're 1099. You're not W2. And so, yeah, you might make $150 in a day, but if you blow out a tire, a new trailer tire is 250. So like, you got to work two days for a tire. Well, I saw one the other day and we were, and he bought this new bit. And I know his financial situation, but as soon as he got an extra $1 ,000, he bought this badass bit that he had wanted.

1:16:41Well, that's his thing. That's all he cares about. And like, he's not doing that for money anyway. So part of that might also just be a little irresponsible with money. Like, you can be, you can be wise with what you're given. But at the end of the day, also like, for that particular person, like, why? This is all he wants to do. Some people, money's just fun coupons. Once you get past food, food and shelter, it's fun coupons. Yes. They're not thinking 1099s, 401Ks, 40 -year plans. They're just thinking, let's go. That's rodeo cowboys. Yeah. Well, there's something appealing about that to people.

1:17:23You know, the people really enjoy watching other people that love what they do. Because I think that's what we all want. We all want something that we do that we love what we do. We look forward to it. When someone sees something that's so counterintuitive, it seems like such hard work. So difficult and time consuming. And it just requires everything of you. And it's not like a thing you do for a couple hours and take a break. Like, no, you're doing it all day long every fucking day. Yeah. Yeah. I just started a jujitsu. I'm like 10 rolls in, 10 sessions. I was just shoulder holding up to that.

1:17:59It's pretty good. The guy you met up there, Ty, like he's my partner. We take it pretty easy. I don't know even what half got like this morning I rolled with a big guy. And he was like, all right, get in half -guard. And I was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, once he put me there, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, but I'm learning. But like learning, starting out jujitsu is very similar to being like, if you wanted to learn to rope something. Like you just, you're very first time against like a, for instance, this guy was like, jujitsu, dan or something. This big 250. In like a minute, he submitted me 15 times.

1:18:39And he was just rolling through me like folded me like a cheap chair. And that's what it would be like if we went to the ranch and had like some sort of like roping, riding type competition. Right. It would be the opposite because like he's got these years of just every day grindin' at his craft, where mine is, and most of these guys that are raised in the lifestyle is rodeo and in cowboy. The jujitsu lifestyle is very similar because people get really banged up and they can't stop. They can't stop training. You know, I had a bad neck injury that just kept getting worse because I wouldn't stop training.

1:19:14And I was like, it's alright, I work around it. Yeah. I never worked around it. And then my hands were going numb and I was like, motherfucker. Yeah. And then I finally had to get it worked on. But it's just, it's a thing where people get so addicted. They get so addicted that time off is just so fuck. You feel worthless. Yeah. You feel worthless. Also, it's just like there's something about the struggle of jujitsu that makes regular struggle easier. It makes regular life easier. It's like a medicine. It's like this literal life or death struggle that you're havin' on the mats, which is about as safe as a life or death struggle can be, because you were training partners and if someone does get your back and they do sink in that choke, you can just tap.

1:19:55And then you're back to square one. And then you start again. But that guy just killed you. That's what just happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He killed you. Yeah, he killed me 15 times. Yeah. I mean, that's really what's going on. And so if you get accustomed to that life or death struggle on a daily basis where that is your high water mark for difficulty, it makes everyday life way easier. Now when that high water mark is removed completely from your life, normal bullshit, bill stuff like nonsense, your neighbor's complaining, your fucking dog did something, that becomes more tense and more difficult to handle.

1:20:31Yeah. For obvious reasons. You don't have the adversity that you need in order to have what you have built up in your life as a healthy existence. I'll say that I have, my interest in Jiu Jitsu has been to, I don't know, I just get nervous about a lot of people show up to a booth where I'll be doing autographs or whatever. And like, I just get nervous like it would, I told Calboy, all I have is that I'm not in terrible shape and I probably won't quit. But other than that, anybody who's like done any training could just walk through me. So you're worried about like someone coming up to you that maybe just thinks like your videos are serious and when you're talking all that shit that you're, you're, you're 100 % yes.

1:21:21You're there. You just arrived there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then they just grabbed my hair and then just, I'm done. Right. And that makes me nervous. And so I guess like every little session, there's this black belt that comes over and teaches us and he's so smart. And I'll just at the end of each little move. And I'm like, okay, but if they're trying to kill me right here and he'll teach me like some street tactics. Because like, that's essentially what I'm, and I don't think, I mean, just like you like, I'm sure, you know, most people that come up to you are just. Most are nice. They're so nice.

1:21:56Most of the vast majority of people are real nice. It's one potential instance out of maybe 10 years. More potential, crazy person. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I would like to be kind of ready for that. Yeah. Whereas with rodeo, my drive to do that was a little different. Yeah. Have you done any striking? I did one session at Cowboys Camp with Coach Ray, his coach that had been around for a while. And like one 30, 40 minute. And I could see that being really fun. Yeah. My dad was a boxer. So like, we had a punching bag in the barn growing up. But nothing, like I said, I wouldn't, anybody with any training could walk through me.

1:22:36That's a good thing also though for alleviating stress. Nothing like hitting a bag. Hitting a bag is like one of the best stress relievers ever. Yeah. You just want on that thing. And after three rounds of that, you're like, I feel pretty fucking good. Yeah. You just feel relaxed and just squeezes all the caveman out of you. Right. Just really release it. Yeah. I'm supposed to, we were supposed to at this last kid's camp, but I'm supposed to fight Cowboy. Oh no. In what way? Just, I don't know. We were going to do something like just kind of getting the ring and... He'll be nice to you. Yeah. That's what I think.

1:23:12Yeah. Everybody says he's going to kill you. I'm like, he's a professional. He'll touch up a little bit. He's not going to kill you. He'll pop you a little bit. He'll just touch you up. He won't hurt you. Yeah. He always ain't gonna hurt you. When we were first joking about it on social media, like a mutual friend of ours was like, Hey, you're not, you're not like serious. You don't think. I was like, what are you talking about? But apparently random people just think they can beat him up. Oh yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Just like the deli said, that problem. Which is crazy. Just some people are just out of their fucking minds.

1:23:45They see someone who just beats a shit out of people on TV. They're like, I want to fucking try that, dude. Why do they think that like something in the cage doesn't transfer over to real life? They think... Some people are just really delusional. And they think somehow because of whatever delusional thinking and their ego and... Maybe their skits are frantic. I don't know what it is. They just think that they could beat up Francis and Gano. Like, yeah. I guarantee you, somebody somewhere at some point in time has tested Tyson Fury. He's gotten in his face. Right. It's crazy. There's people out there that are just out of their fucking minds.

1:24:21And they're just not well. You know? I was at a power slap. Like Lincoln Goal. Oh Jesus. And I'll sat there and visit him with Strickland for like 45 minutes. And he's like, yeah, that guy over there, somebody. He's like, I think he wants to fight an imamega. And we just got to talking about it. And I just like, I don't know that like... I feel like Strickland would be really good in the street. Oh my God. Yeah, he's not scared of shit. You know? He'd be awesome in the street. Cowboy too. Oh yeah. Apparently been in like hundreds of street fights. Yeah, there was a famous incident where some dude on a boat dock just wouldn't leave Malone.

1:25:05It was fuck with him. The guy was like, God damn it. And the guy did something and Cowboy just had kicked him. Knocked him off. I just put everything. Is that the one where Dana got had to get involved? Yeah. And yeah. He said Dana still gives him a hard time about it. Ever now and then. Well, you know, that guy fucked up and he found out. Yeah, exactly. He fucked around and found out that you're picking on the wrong dude. So I heard that like, he'll... When he was in the UFC, I guess maybe he learned his lesson there. And like, he would literally... People would be trying to fight him in the bar.

1:25:36He's like, bro, I will pay you $500 to just leave me alone. And then he retired. And I was like, hey, you still paying people not to fight you? And he's like, nope. Bring it on. He's like, I will whip your ass in the jiffy loop. I don't care. Because now he doesn't have to worry about it. Yeah, he's not worried about it anymore. But still, it would be a problem. Everybody knows who he is. You know, he'd get sued for sure. Yeah. Especially if there's no cameras that show the other guy started it and the other guy's a fake story. Yeah. Because no one tells the truth about altercations. And he...

1:26:10I was with him in traffic the other day and this guy, like, road rage dim and was like, almost trying to drive us off the road. And I was like, man, if this guy only knew, he thinks. But he just calm down. I think he knows he's hands or weapons. He's not going to use him. Yeah. He's somebody. Also, people have guns. That too. That's the real problem with road rage. Some people aren't playing by the rules. Just engaging with random people in the street. It's so fucking dangerous and stupid. He just never know. And he also never know where that guy is in his life. A guy might be suicide. I'd only be ready to take you with him.

1:26:43He might have reached his end. He might have everything might have happened wrong for him that day. He might have caught his wife fucking his neighbor or he might have went bankrupt. He might have... That's such a good perspective to have. Oh, you always got it. But you never know what the fuck that guy just experienced before he got in his car. And that's why he's driving like a maniac. He's freaking the fuck out. And if you contribute to that, now you're his focus. Yep. Yeah. That can happen. I've been like soul searching with, I guess, my pride in trying to be more humble rather than prideful.

1:27:19And traffic is my gauge. That's where... For me, that's where I think... That's where I think I'm going to be. For guys like, well, I mean, I used to get pissed off at people. But now, that's just kind of my gauge of where I might be at in the day. If I'm able to just let stuff go and not compete with the next driver, then I feel like... Do you know why people get road rage? Do you know why it's so common? And it's not common when people just walk around. Well, I think pride starts it. And then from there, it's just like you feel like you're impenetrable. Impenetrable? Yeah. Being in a car. There's definitely a little bit of that.

1:27:59But there's also, there's a heightened state of awareness because you're driving. Because when you're driving, you have to make fast decisions and you're moving fast. So everything is quick, quick, quick, quick. So someone gets a funny motherfucker. You know, it's like you're already at seven. And so when someone just gets in front of you, they bring you to 10 like that. Whereas in the walking around, if someone got in front of you, you wouldn't care at all. Like if you're just walking somewhere on the street and there's a bunch of people walking, and some guy walks past you and walks in front of you, it means nothing.

1:28:30Right. It doesn't even bother you. But when you're a car, like, you know this is fucking guy because you might have to have make... Like this guy decides to chain and lane. He's like, fuck. Like this guy's an idiot. He's making me hit the brakes. Like, now I got to fucking, what do you do with douchebag? Look at this asshole. And you're already ramped up. Yeah. And so people, they go, they get so angry, so quick. And that's why. Because you're at a heightened state of awareness because you're driving. And when you're going 65 miles an hour, you have to make quick decisions. And when people are changing lanes and doing stupid shit, like, you're at the whim of their shitty decision making.

1:29:04Yeah. Yeah. I guess. So I guess, I agree with you. I think we're saying the same thing. I think it probably amplifies. I think that's like a true test of someone's character, I guess. Like if you, like I'm not saying like anybody that gets mad is a piece of shit because you got mad in traffic. But I guess for me, personally, when I look at myself, like, it does the heightened sense of awareness with like, amplify the fact that like, my pride is what's controlling me that day. Right. And if I'm able to like walk through the day humbly where I'm not at competition with people, well, that means, you know, then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, okay, I'll just hit the brakes, let them go.

1:29:44And I'll probably get to my destination at the same time. Yeah. And it's no big deal. Instead of like making this gigantic problem for no reason, like pull over, fuck you, man. Pull. And then guy got a tire iron and you fucking swing in at each other like, what? Yeah. Over what? Like what? And people die all the time doing that. Fight each other. You know, fucking reason. For zero reason, not to save people, not to protect property, not to know, no fucking reason. Yeah. Just because they got let their emotions take control of them. They didn't have control of their mind and, you know, their humility and all those things.

1:30:19And the sad thing is they'll probably realize that. Yeah. Once they come down, like three forrested. Yeah. They five days later, they're just like, that was so dumb. So dumb. Yeah. When you're in a good place and you think about the stupid shit, do you do when you get angry? Like, oh my god, it's so embarrassing. Yeah. It's like, who was that person? How did I let myself become that person? Was fucking screaming in my car for no fucking reason? Right. Where I could have just let them go. Let them go and then breathe back to normal. No problems. No problems. Yeah. Yeah, that's a, like I said, that's where the true me comes out, I think.

1:30:58And then I'll go back, go back, go home and work on it. Yeah. Well, it's good, man. It's always good to have something to work on. But how did you get involved in making these comedy videos? Man. So, 10 years ago, July was our first video. But three years prior to that, I'd been like prank calling people. And like I just, I prank called my dad. I prank called like, what'd you do with your dad? Oh, man. I was sitting. He texted me. He was at, I was at A &M at the time and he was at the ranch like 30 miles away, where we, anyways. And he was like, hey, call the house. I want to see if the phone works.

1:31:41And I knew he didn't have caller ID. So I called him and he answered the phone like it could be anybody. He didn't answer the phone like it was me. You know, usually I can tell his voice, you know, it was my dad. And he answered the phone like it could be anybody. And I was like, hey, yeah. Oh, yeah, I got your radiator here at the shop. And you need to come get it. Like it was real like impromptu like, right. And I just told him he needed to come pick up his radiator. And then I just started prank calling a lot of people. Like it was fun. He fell for it and hookline sinker. And then I just started prank calling a lot of people.

1:32:15And then, yeah, in 2010, no, I'm sorry. That was when the phone call was. And then in 2013, I, we turned on the camera. And like just started saying what I'd been saying on all these prank calls. And we never stopped filming. And so like since 2013, like, I mean, I'm still rodeo and still cowboy and still, you know, live in my life. But then there was just YouTube got introduced. And, you know, so then it was more about, I don't know. I got to be me, you know, I grew up rodeo and I grew up the class clown. My old man had me. He was an ag teacher too. And he had me in this organization called FFA.

1:33:02Or I did a lot of public speaking. And so like I'd done public speaking, I was a class clown, other rodeo cowboy. And they all came together in these videos. And so we started 10 years ago. And I bet I made videos for two or three years before I even made any money. I didn't realize, you know, how to make money on YouTube. And then, you know, along the way I started the apparel line, rodeo time. And that was kind of my one of the things I always went to, like, is rodeo time also. And the apparel line did well. And that's been kind of my main source of revenue followed by YouTube and sponsors. And so it just started out just for fun, for sure.

1:33:42Which is always the best way to start something out. Because you're not thinking about it as a career. Like, how do I get the most engagement? I'm just having fun. We didn't make money for a few years. Like I just didn't really even think about it. Yeah. And... That's similar to this podcast. When we started out, I never thought it was going to make money. It's just for fun. Two thousand, fifty seven episodes later. Yeah, and a bunch of other ones. And a bunch of like all the fight companions. MMA podcasts. Yeah. I think that's the best way to do something. You do something like, because you want to do it.

1:34:15Because it's fun. Right. And that's what's most engaging to people too. And it's interesting because now you've got this Netflix show. But wouldn't Netflix have ever given you a show if you didn't prove that you could do something on your own? Absolutely not. No. And they would probably control it more. And fuck with who you are more. And there'd be a lot of... A lot of, you know, a lot of other people trying to shape what it is. Whereas now they go, we got this kind of finished thing. We just need to apply Dale Brisbane to this. We know who Dale Brisbane is. And they did try that. Did they? Yeah.

1:34:52Like it was... They wanted me to take my glasses off. And they wanted to like bring the story of my dad into it. And like how he shaped me as a cowboy. And I just didn't feel like it fit. You know, like I'll talk about it here on a podcast. But like if I'm making a video, like I'm a comedian, you know, like I don't want to talk about... Anyways, I just didn't want to bring my dad into it. Right. And it was nothing against them. And they didn't have anything against me. It was a good conversation. But I was like, these are kind of some bugaboo's. But I had already established like who I was for 10 years.

1:35:24And so like... I had the mobs approval. Like in Gladiator, you know, he tells them to win over the mob. Like yourself. Like it's Joe Rogan and then the audience. Like there's no middleman anymore. And like if I tried to do this 20 years ago, like you got to go through an agent and networks. And it's like, do those gray hairs. I think it's a good idea. And it's like, okay, maybe we'll try it. And then you maybe get to try a show. And like so going through that whole acting route. Well, with the internet, I go straight to the source. And the mob approved of me. And so that was the beautiful thing.

1:35:59Like nobody could have planned like my small story. You know, much like you couldn't have planned yours. Big story. But we went straight to the source and they liked it. And so then Netflix was like, okay, cool. Let's do something with this. Same thing with Spotify. Yeah. Well, that's the best way to do it. So do it because you love doing it. Do it because it's fun. And then along the way, get better at it. And along the way, people start realizing it. Recognize it. Then they start calling up. And then I want to be in business with Dale Brisbane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait till they call you, you know?

1:36:33Yeah. Well, that's the unique thing about our time. With things like social media, with YouTube and the like, you can create your own thing now. Like Cameron Haynes has done. 100%. You just create your own thing. And through that thing, you know, you don't have anybody telling you what to do. So you do it the way you think it should be done. And you learn how to do it better with each episode if you care. It's fun. Yeah, cams. He might even be more of a niche than I am, but like being like not only hunting, but specifically bow hunting, specifically elk. Yeah. And but yeah, you're right. I mean, he's, and then the mob approved of him.

1:37:13And he's. He's also an undeniable person. You know, like you see what he's done in terms of like ultra marathon running. It is his work ethic and the fact that he did all that shit. Well, he had a full time job for the most time. For the last five years, I was trying to talk that dude and acquit in his job. Every day I had text him, quit that fucking job every day. You don't need that job. He was making more money from his sponsors than he ever was from his job. Right. But, you know, he identifies as a hard working blue collar guy. And that's what he always was his whole life. And he felt like somehow another not having that job, but maybe even disconnect him.

1:37:50Yeah. You know, but it's not. It's the opposite. He works even harder now, but now he does what he wants. Right. He could actually sleep and he has time to recover. And he said physically feels better than he's ever felt before because, you know, he has real time to train and recover before he was working eight hours every day. And then still running a fucking marathon every day. I was watching him. What he was preparing for fucking ultra's. That dude was running 13 miles in the morning and then another 13 at night. Wild shit. And then shooting his bow and then going to the gym and then getting up in the morning going to work again.

1:38:22Yeah, that's another level of passion that is a little bit like that's so yeah, anybody that can run a hundred miles, I think is, you know, that's easy to say that they're just a unique individual. Yeah, but they're done 240. Like that alone is incredible, but then the sacrifices he made to go do that. Yeah. You know, like like what you said, like all of his free time. Yeah, he's not going to sit in his car because he hates his job. He's going on his lunch hour to run because he's passionate about this additional thing. Yeah. And there's people like that in rodeo too. You know, I think that the people that have that kind of work ethic, a little bit of talent, and then they're passionate about a certain thing, you know, that'll go all out.

1:39:05And then eventually they're the ones that are successful, provided they stay healthy. Provided this to healthy. Yeah, that's the hard part, right? Especially with rodeo. I mean, any one day could be the last time you ever get it. And the more you get on, the more you're reminded of that. Like it crosses your mind. Like I got it, like the last, I haven't been on in a couple months because I'm having this surgery. I was supposed to have it a month ago, but like I just got down on the shoot and we weren't even filming. And I just got like super remote. I just started in the shoot. Like I'm like emotional, you know, and I had to get out and start over.

1:39:51And you know, it just, it looks like, you know, he's bitching out or something. But really I was just like, let me just, because I'm just thinking about my dad, thinking about this. This could be my last bronchrot. Like this could be it, you know, and you just get overwhelmed. And then the smell, the arena and the music playing and your buddies are there. But just that fight, like as soon as the gate opens, it's just so pure. It's so pure and like all the shit talking, like all that's out the window. And it's you and the horse because the horse, he didn't hear it, you know, it's just like, can you execute the fundamentals in the midst of your emotions running among?

1:40:27And essentially that's what it is. Like executing fundamentals in the middle of the fight. Or do you let the fear overcome you and you do what your intuition says to do, which unfortunately is opposite of what you're supposed to do. Like in bronchrot and you're supposed to lift on your rain and stay back. What your intuition tells you to sit up and pull. And I'm sure it's a lot of the same things in fighting. Like your intuition is telling you to do this and you know, that's the move they want you to do so they can put you here. And so once you get control of your emotions and you execute the fundamentals.

1:41:00And that's what makes guys like JB so great, you know. There's something that people experience when they do something very difficult that makes them want to keep doing it. That the rush of doing that of keeping your emotions in check in this insanely high pressure situation. That becomes so addictive to some people. It says it's so hard for someone like me to understand has never done it. But I kind of get it. I kind of get them. I get the mindset for sure. I don't I don't think again, I'm not suggesting you get on a bull. But I don't think you're that far away from just realizing. I think I think the fact that the bull is involved is maybe what's so foreign to yourself and a lot of people that haven't done it.

1:41:41But like once you get over the animal part of it, the unpredictability of an animal, you just like, oh, this is like a thing. It's like, you know, football or fighting or, you know, going overseas. Like those guys like, I went on, I got to go on Marx's podcast and become good friends. Marcus the trail. Marcus and since then, I love it, dude. Yeah, he's a big fan of you too. He's an awesome guy. Yeah, he's been kind of like, I don't want to say like a dad to me, but like I've like used him as that. Hey, what are we doing? The situation kind of deal. Yeah. And like when them guys go around the corner at a house, you know, is there going to be a fight there and just that thrill of like, okay, now there is a fight.

1:42:32And I was talking to DJ Shipley. He's a seal team six guy. And he told me we were on the back of the shoots and he was like, what I respect about rodeo is every time it's a fight. And he said, when we go into a room to clear a room, 95 % of the time the room is benign. And so I looked up what benign meant. But he said he, and he was, you know, obviously the stakes are different in bull riding and, you know, guys going overseas and being in combat, you know, the stakes are much different. But he was just respecting the fact that when you do go around that corner, you have to execute the fundamentals in the midst of like fear and whatnot.

1:43:14Same thing. I'm sure there's guys going into the ring and the octagon where it's just like, they don't feel like at that day or this particular guy's got in their head. Well, they got to get that out of their head and execute fundamentals. Yeah. 100%. And that's just to them, that's that thing that they can't stop. Yeah. That's the thrill of that very insane high pressure situation and trying to keep your wits about you and staying in control of your emotions and just banking on your training and executing. So guys like JB. I was almost was telling the story while ago, like I just, I love it. And it's one that everybody in our industry knows, but like one thing that sets him apart, like it's some of those PBR events.

1:43:59When you get to like what would be like the short round, you get to pick your bull. And so that's unique. You know, at rodeos, you never pick your bull. It's more you, you get drawn your bull. Well, at these PBRs, there's instances where you do a draft and you pick it and where you're sitting going into that short round determines when you pick. Well, there's this real famous bull named Bushwacker. Like unwritten. Somebody wrote him whenever he was like a two year old. I wish I'd remembered the name now, but like he had this one ride when he was real young. But then once he started like going to all the big bull rod and it's like nobody wrote this bull, Bushwacker.

1:44:36And JB picked him 13 times. Like he always picked that bull. Some guys would pick a bull they know they could ride. Like I know I can be 90, 88 points on this bull. So I'm going to pick him. You know, there's these other two, three I'm unsure about, but I'm going to pick this one. I know I can ride and hopefully win. JB went to Bushwacker 13 times and he wrote him once. Wow. Like he kept picking him like the most dangerous, baddest bull in the world, undeniably. And he just kept going back to him. And that was one of those cowboy factors that and they played bad to the bone that they're a good song.

1:45:15And when that song comes on, the crowd goes for nuts. They know JB's coming around in corner. Like they don't play it for anybody else. And anyways, that mentality for him to pick that bull 13 times. And so when you say you only wrote it once. I mean, he made it to eight seconds. Correct. 95 and a quarter points, I think. Is this it? Bushwacker. This is Bushwacker. I'm not sure if this is that. Oh, yeah, this is the one I recognize it. This is the one where he does ride. I can't have no helmet. Hat down, baby. Sliding ride. He does not waste time in the shoot. Look at that bull. Oh my God. He had a different trip every time.

1:45:57And then bam. Wow. And the crowd goes nuts confetti spawn. Look at that lady. Yeah, they love that man right there. Like look at that lady cheer. Look at her face. Look at her face. It's like she was riding riding with. Wow. That's amazing. There was one of those 13 times though. He was a he picked him. And two seconds during the ride. So like he's on his back just like he is right here. And all the lights go out. Oh, no. All the lights shut out. And that's one of my videos just where he tells the story. Yeah, I don't know if it's actually on. Yeah, that that one down there is. The one that's a baby rides bull in the dark.

1:46:47That's another one of mine. Oh, I got the algorithm picked. Yeah, I figured out why. But no, um, yeah. And so like two seconds in the lights go out. And I was like, what'd you do? And he's like, well, I can't ride him in a lit up ass arena much less than the dark. Don't go off. Yeah, because that would be obviously the, I mean, I guess it would be similar to riding him a few blind, but riding something in the dark. That would be the most. So is he the only guy other than that person who rode on his two. Wow. Yeah, and they retired him a few years after that. I think that's crazy. And nobody else tried.

1:47:23Oh, yeah, guys would get on him all the time. Yeah, they just get flown. Yeah, just didn't. I can't remember how many outs he had had. How unusual is that that a bull's that good? In the PBR, written in 43 outs. Wow. In the PBR. I mean, like there's so many good great bulls like bodacious is a famous is probably arguably bodacious in book where Bushware. Or the two most famous bulls, I would say in bodacious he's more like the 90s and he had some some rods, but the the PBR these days is. Yeah, I think that's tough. What a crazy thing to want to do. The bull does not want you on them and you decide to get on them.

1:48:13Yep, and ride him for his. Oh, Jesus. That's what freaks me out. Would you go down and they're coming down with you? Yeah, that's tough. He didn't. Sorry, tough. I should have recognized your shirt. How long did it take to heal your sternum? That's a scary one to break. Like the thing that's right over your heart. It kind of just did its own thing, you know, just took a take a break. I don't remember exactly how long it's been a long time ago. How long did it take for it felt normal again? The breathing and everything like it was. I don't really remember it to be honest like it wasn't like it didn't just like crack open.

1:48:51You know, it was just like a break like it was like a I mean, it might have even just been. I don't know what it was considered like a fracture. But like, but yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't like a life threatening type sternum deal. But it was it was a sternum, you know, it was what the doctor said, but like it wasn't like it was a from getting stepped on. Yeah. By horse or by bull. Well, but the back surgeries were the ones that were kind of which they weren't near a series. It's like Jb's and Jacobs. What did you get done? It was a discectomies. Okay. So you're bulging disc and they took some of the disc material out.

1:49:34Yeah, pushing against nerves. But it just it didn't work. And they kept having to go back in. And yeah, it wasn't like it's just an it was enough to take it. And it was like, take me out for two years. And it was it's not like I said, it's not near as serious as like what they did to Jacobs and Jb. But it was something that just like took me out of the game. And then it's like now it's this lingering injury. Uh -huh. One of half a dozen. Have you ever gotten stem cells on them? No. They're doing a lot of stem cells with people with discs issues. My friend Shane Dorian just went down to Tijuana and they actually put him under and they inject stem cells directly into the discs.

1:50:15So the disc that had degenerated that have, you know, experienced all the wear and tear. They go right into the disc and swell it up. And it actually helps you grow new disc tissue. And some people have gotten some pretty significant results from that. What is it? Why is it? I mean, why are you going to go to Mexico? Like, do we not have any? Marigas fucked. I don't know why. I mean, you could ask the people that run the FDA. I assume there's a lot of factors that play and probably some of them aren't beneficial to us. But they there's a very big resistance to people being able to just go and get stem cell treatments.

1:50:53Although there's no, it doesn't seem to be any downside. I'm not seeing anybody that's getting stem cells and dying from the procedure. It's not what's going on. Like you're healing. It's helping people heal. And I know so many people that have had significant results. But you've got to go to Mexico. You got to go to Panama. You got to go to Colombia. You got it. And these people that do that, they come back with amazing stories of healing. But in the United States, it's much more difficult to get that countrymen. You just they can't do what they can do over there. Cowboy was suggesting that to me.

1:51:27But yeah, it seems like a miracle drug. You know, it seems like like don't have surgery. Have stem cells, you know, with my shoulder though, like, I mean, the freaking bone is missing. Yeah, that seems like something you have to have surgery on. Stim cells can't put a bone back. But, but yeah, there's like like the back thing and some other random little things. It's like, you need to, but I don't know. It just how old is now 36. Yeah, that's how when it starts falling apart. Yeah. That's someone starts falling apart for fighters. When I look at a fighter's age and they hit like 36, 37, I'm like, the moment I turned 30 is when I first had my first back injury.

1:52:06Yeah, well, it was a little before that. It was actually here in Austin at the in the which is in March in the short go. What was that ride? I was getting on a brunt. And he frapped me in the shoot. So he like, he rared up real hard and brought my legs down and kind of crunch my body together. And I didn't really realize it at the time. You know, I made a good ride that night. But then like later, it rodeos after that. Like I just started falling off like my right leg wouldn't. I felt like I wasn't stretching enough. And it just got worse and worse. I'd get out of a pickup. I couldn't stand up straight for half an hour.

1:52:47And I went to a doctor. Anyways, then I dislocated my shoulder and finally I was like, all right, I got to go, you know, to and I went to Tandy Freeman sent me to Andrew Dossett who does a bunch for the Cowboys like worked on Troy Aigman, Tony Romo. And he's like, yep, we got to cut you open to this right here. There's a lot of opinions on whether or not a guy should have surgery. But I was like, man, this guy's legit. Yeah, I'm gonna take his opinion. Well, you know, surgeons like to do surgery. And a lot of surgeons don't have experience with stem cell treatments. Right. What they know is, oh, your disc is bulging will remove that disc.

1:53:25The part of the disc is bulging and will bulge anymore. But you're also you're cutting out the amount of cushioning you have in between your spinal column. And you only have so much of that. Daniel Cormier said when he got his back done, he was never the same again. So I'd never get back surgery yet. And now that he knows and most people know that there's other alternatives specifically stem cells. And people have had great results. I know a lot of people though they were their pack was fucked and they got stem cell treatments. And now they feel great. Yeah, it can be done. Yeah, so the the back.

1:53:59So then it didn't work. I had another one. And it did get better after the second one. It took the recovery took like a year. And then like it started to feel better. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, like it was it took a year. And like before I could like get on a bucket horse again. Like I mean, yeah, three or four months later, I'm doing all the normal life things. But before I get on a bucket horse, it took a year. Because it just didn't feel strong and just felt well and just yeah, exactly. And then the risk of it reherniating because of the time you know, which that part doesn't necessarily that doesn't take a year.

1:54:32But just for me, it took a year. Do you do anything to strengthen your back? Yeah, I mean, I got like that deal. You got out there the teeter. Yeah, yeah, I got one of those. And yeah, they gave me a lot of exercises, which is like routine for me. Like I do the routine stuff like for a back injury. Same thing with my shoulder. So like that's why it's like I don't do the normal tim Kennedy stuff all the time. I've also got these like workouts that revolve around injuries and recovery that I'll do. And but like when I went to camps, I was getting ready for camps. And I didn't tell him this, but I was at about a month before like I was running a lot, you know, like trying because I didn't want to be a bitch up on this mountain.

1:55:16Yeah. And my leg pain started coming back. And then my hips started hurting. And I was like, Oh, shit, it's coming, it's coming back again. And anyways, I did the deal. We ran like 12 miles. And like I said, threw up in the borac. But I went back to certain he was like, where your leg pains coming back because of your back, you know, but it should go away. If you'll ease up on the run and but your hips, he's like, you have severe early onset arthritis. He's like, you got bone spares all of your hips. You'll probably have to if you did have hips replacement surgery would be early. And he said, it's just because of your lifestyle.

1:55:55But so like now every time I run, it's like I got rocks in my hips. Yeah, don't do that anymore. He's got to be other ways to getting condition. Sorry, Cam. Yeah, Cam. Joe said it. That dude doesn't have any problems, which is amazing. I just stunned that he doesn't have physical problems. He's a real freak. It made me like I was just like up on the mountain like my hips are just like crunching. I'm like, how is this man doing this? Like how is he doing this? Like because he's in his 50s. Like, yeah, he's my age. And you know, he's got some of those pains. He just doesn't, you know, like tape his feet, like him and Goggins, like, yeah, he's a different breed.

1:56:35Well, I think it's just what you get accustomed to him and Goggins. They're just accustomed to a level of pain and discomfort that most people just would not accept. And they just accept it as a part of everyday life. Yeah, but with Cam, I don't think he has any like legitimate injuries like his knees don't fuck with them his hips don't fuck with them, which is crazy. You think about the amount that guy runs and works out and he's in his 50s. Do you think that he's got like his body is condition like that. Obviously his cardio for sure, but I mean like his actual joints. They're like, we're okay with this kind of pounding because of how much he doesn't.

1:57:11Yeah, has to be. Yeah, they've done studies on people that run a lot and it shows that the cartilage and the meniscus and everything gets harder. It's your body gets accustomed to that. Whatever you force it to do, your body adapts sometimes to the detriment of the joint. You know, like Goggins had to he was bone on bone for so long with his knees and running thousands of miles bone on bone that his bone was deforming and distorting because it was like, it's really the constant irritation of grindy again. Against the other bones. The doctor looked at him and said, I can't believe you can walk with these knees forget about run thousands of miles.

1:57:50So instead of getting a knee replacement, what he did was where the bone like bulged out, they cut that off. They sliced like a wedge out of his bone, chopped this piece off and brought it down. So it's flat again. Yeah. So now it's just bone on bone and flat now instead of bone on bone at a distorted angle like fuck man. Also, he can start over and go back to doing it. Yeah. He just had another one to send me videos. I don't know what he had done now, but he had another surgery on his knees. And you know, he's eventually going to have to get fake knees. Eventually it's just going to get to the point where they don't work anymore.

1:58:30And then they'll put artificial knees. But the problem with the artificial knees is I don't know how long they would last with the way he treats his body. Like he put he would not stop pushing himself if he had artificial knees. Right. So like I think those things are only good for like 20 years. Yeah. So what happens to 20 years? Like they got to go back in. No kidding. Put another one in there. Right. Open cut the top of your knee off again. Because you know he's going to live to 105. Yeah, probably well. Yeah. You're probably running. They're probably die running. Die running up a mountain and be very happy.

1:59:09Yeah. Yeah. He's an animal. I mean, there's, but you need people like that in the world to show you. You need people like Tim Kennedy and Cam Haines and those kind of people. You need people like that out there to set the bar very high. It helps helps all of us. Even if you're not interested in doing that kind of shit, like I don't work out as hard as they do. But it sets the bar much higher in comparison to what you would, you would require of yourself normally. Yeah. You require more because you know, there's people like that out there that are really getting after it. And then you realize you can do more.

1:59:43You could do more than you think you do for sure. I think. Yeah. We've named all the ones that do that for me physically. Jocco. Jocco is another one. I got to meet the other day. Theo Vaughn. He's that for me. He's my man. I love that dude. Yeah. I met him at the power slap deal. Oh, okay. Yeah. He's just like, he's like that all the time. Yeah. He's like that all the time. He's hilarious. He's such a fun dude and such a good guy. And you know, he's like that. He's on all the time. Well, he's on when you're out of dinner. Yeah. He's on when you're just hanging out. He can't turn it all. No, no, that's the.

2:00:20Theo and he's such a. It's such a unique kind of comedy too. Like his comedy is like nobody does comedy like him. It's so different. You know, and if anybody tried to imitate it, they would know exactly who they were. Yeah. We're imitating it. And it would be a turn off. My favorite joke he goes, my cousin got bit by a gay guy. So we'll see.

2:00:46Somehow, he gets away with whenever he's like, I don't know. I'm not racist. You know, I have some flare ups and traffic. But other than that, like, how do you get away with that? He gets away with this. He's such a fun character. He's such a fucking character. Yeah. He invited me out to a show. And I'm, I'm going to go. He's another dude that seems so happy that he got out of LA. LA was just not for him. When he moved to Nashville, I was immediately like that's a way better fit for you. And he's talking about coming out here. Yeah. Do you think he will? I hope so. I hope so. He's got a home here.

2:01:23One thing about comedians, they need a place where they meet up with other comedians. You don't want to just be that dude on the road with only your opening act. Like that guy's lonely. He gets weird. You got it. Like we're a tribal group. We have to be around our people. And you know, when you're hanging out, like get the mothership in the green room, we're all talking shit and laughing. It's like that's our comfort zone. Yeah. You know, that club is like, it's like a clubhouse. Like it's a place where we can go. We're all practicing our art form. We're all getting better at it. We're all feeding off of each other getting better at it.

2:01:57We're all helping each other with jokes. We're all talking shop in the green room. And I got this bit. I can't figure out where to go with it. We're trying to break things down. And we're coming up with tag lines for each other. It's fun, man. And we had that in LA before the pandemic with the comedy store. And, you know, and Theo, when he was here, is like, man, this is what I missed the most. And I was like, well, this is worth that, man. Yeah. This is what we're trying to do here. We're trying to like, well, we set up with that club was like to have a place where all of us could go and and have that support and have that place where you're like, oh, this is my home base.

2:02:32And that's why I wanted to call it the mothership because you you go from there and you leave to go to other places. You know, you need to go to come back to the mothership. But that's it's such a good system. Yeah. And maybe maybe he can bring Bobby Lee to be his. Bobby Lee's never moving here. I talked to him on the phone the other day. He's like, fuck you, Joe. I'm not coming. I'm not coming to Austin. You're tricking everybody to come to Austin. Fuck off. He's scared he's going to have to live here. If he comes and visits. I don't think it's that. It just be it silly. He's just being Bobby Lee, but he you know, he stays in his neighborhood in LA and he's like, where I live is fine.

2:03:07It's like it's like, I mean, I don't go to skid row. Yeah, I don't go to the places that suck. You know, I just stay stay where I'm at. Well, that camaraderie is like, that's one of the major things like with rodeo. And I was talking to my guys at work for me. Like, you'll miss the thrill of, you know, depending on how you feel about it. If you are one of those passionate individuals that loves actually the fight. You'll miss that. The very next thing if not the more important thing is the guys and be behind the shoots going down the road like that camaraderie of going down the road with, you know, that that's the other thing.

2:03:45And it keeps you going a lot of times like when you feel like you want to quit when you feel, you know, especially when it's a, you do it for a living. You know, when that's like your rodeo and for your income. And so there's rodeos that you want to be at. And then there's rodeos like also like, hey, I need to make money. And so you're going. But no matter even those rodeos like, they're still like, you're on the back of the shoots. And it's the epitome of freedom. Like it's the standing on the back of the shoots. I remember. I think it was clear like South Dakota. And I just had this aha moment like standing on the back of the shoots, being a kid from Texas and going to those rodeos.

2:04:26And the national anthem was playing. And it was just this is freedom. And I don't know that you have a more patriotic bunch than for me at least the most patriotic individuals I've come across barring. You know, as a group, barring the actual ones doing the fighting like rodeo cowboys are very appreciative because like we get to see that freedom every weekend. That's her job. You know, when people do something that's very difficult and controversial and it becomes their passion, they really value freedom. And when you, when you're doing something that other people maybe don't understand because they don't have experience in it.

2:05:04They don't know why you, why are you even doing that? You shouldn't even be able to do that. Like they don't get it. They're not a part of the life. And that's why it's important to hear people like you talk about it because someone who might have had an opinion based on just a peripheral understanding of what rodeo writing. Look at this stupid. Why are they into this? Who cares about ranching? And then you hear you talk about it. Like, hey, you know, there's someone listen to it right now. Like maybe there's something in there that I don't understand because I just haven't experienced it. Maybe it's parallel to things that I enjoy in my life that maybe other people wouldn't understand.

2:05:37Well, I think, you know, you mentioned like the controversy. I think a lot of the controversy that's in and around rodeo and ranching are because people don't understand it. Yeah. And so they just make assumptions in their own educated like, for instance, that Bull Bush Wacker, like we could, we can slow it down. And I can show you like, I mean, we don't have to. But the point is, it's like nothing's wrapped around his balls. Right. You know, I mean, like a flank rope, it's a cotton rope about six feet long. And it's the equivalent of you tightening up your belt. That Bull is doing that because he wants to and it's in his blood.

2:06:08And that's what he wants to do. Like he's not, you're not going to make that animal do anything. There's a rope around their balls and people know there's not one. There's not. But for some reason, people think that that's what the flank is. And I mean, in Buckinghorses, some of them are mayors. So even if that's, that is what we were doing. What are you going to do with a mayor? Right. Because, but it gives them something to kick at their horses that are going to buck. And if they don't want to buck animal like, especially horses, like when they feel pain, they're running off. Sometimes they might run off just if they're scared or something.

2:06:40But like, so if they were in pain, they wouldn't be bucking. Like they would, they would stop eventually. You would train them to stop if they were in pain. And they're just, they don't experience pain like that. And you're on their back and it's don't want you on the back. And the fun part is right. Don't want you riding them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, you get around bulls like you can walk back there. There's so many bulls that you can walk up to and rub all over in the backpins. And then you run them in the shoot and they know that game. And when you open the shoot, they buck like crazy just because they want to.

2:07:14And so like, yeah, they don't, they're trying to buck you off. But if he doesn't want to buck, he ain't going to, you're not going to make him do that. Like you can't train them to buck. There's little things you can do to improve their bucking, but you're not going to make an animal buck. Like I said, I bought one at the sale barn. Like I've probably bought 20 bulls at the sale barn. And this one that I got is the only one that made it. Like it most bulls that you see, like they're not going to be bucking bulls. Like it's a unique same thing with horses. So it's just in their jeans. It's in their jeans.

2:07:49It's in their genetics and they want to do it. Kind of like how some horses are better at, you know, 100 jumper stuff or, you know, racing, you know, like my horse boom can't run on a site in a day. You know, but he's a good ranch horse. So that's what I've got him in. And then I got this, you know, buck and horse. That we call Baptist who went to the NFR and buck and then like that's what he was made for. And when you get a bull like Bushwacker, is it like very valuable to breed that bull? I mean, like guys are paying 50, 60, 100 ,000 dollars for bulls, 500 ,000 dollars for bulls. The last thing you want, and 100 ,000 dollars bull, the last thing you want is for him to feel pain.

2:08:31He's going to sleep in a little padded pin and maybe an air condition barn in the summer, a heated barn in the, like some of these bulls have cushy lives. And again, if they weren't doing that, they'd have been dead at a little over a year. Right. So I don't know. I think people think of it the way they think of bull fighting, like in Mexico. Right. Like when you see the Matadors stab them and all that shit. I think people connect rodeo to what they think of as the cruelest aspects. I think also they think of these animals as having the same pain tolerance as a human. You know, like these dudes ain't they're not coming inside in a winter in a hell storm.

2:09:18Yeah. They're just going to sit out in it and be fine. Like they're it's a completely different species. Yeah. And people look at it like, oh man, if that happened to me, that would hurt. Yeah, of course, because we're humans, you know. And like I'm not trying to justify anything. All I'm saying is you're dealing with a different species. And like there's just things that aren't painful to them. Like for instance, a flank. Like it's a cotton rope. Like I should have brought one. So simple. I've done a lot of tutorials on my YouTube where I show like I'll put one on, I put one on Boone in a YouTube video like my ranch in.

2:09:53And he's like a gentle horse. Like I put a flank on him and turn it and we turn them out. And he just walks out. And he's like, dude, I'm not a buck in horse. Right. And there's a lot of misconceptions like that also in the ranching world. You know, you might see somebody treating animals like shit because in some exceptional video that goes viral in the dairy or something where somebody. Yeah. But that's not the norm. Right. People don't feel like that. Like dude, when my dog died, I cried. You know, like I don't want to put, if I have to put something down, I'm probably going to call my brother.

2:10:28Like I don't like to do that. Right.

2:10:34But that's a misconception. That's why I say that like the animosity is really just because people aren't educated. And at the base of it, you know, some people do put animals and unapologetically put animals on the same level of humans. Well, then we've got a different belief system. Yeah. And now we're going down a road where we're probably not going to agree on a lot of things. Right. Right. Because as much as I love animals, they're just not more important than humans. No, not to me either. They're very important to me, but it's a different thing. I value humans above everything else. And that's how animals feel about their species too.

2:11:09You know, all animals. And that's the rule of nature. It's fucking tooth -fanging claw. We've just managed to figure out cities and buildings and cars. And we've managed to shield ourselves from it to the point where we don't think we're a part of the cycle of life. But we are. We're just in a very distorted version of it where you can just go by the meat at the store. So by hiring a supermarket hitman, somehow another you feel like you are immune to the pain and suffering. And so they don't, those kind of people, there's a lot of people that eat meat that don't like hunting. And that to me is just very strange.

2:11:46Like you're consuming food, then you have zero idea where that food came from. You have a goddamn clue of kind of life that animal had and you eat that. You're fine. But you think there's something wrong with someone going on and getting it themselves in the wild, which to me is crazy. And it's also like it's just ignorance. And it's convenient thinking. Convenient thinking that you're morally superior position because you're not involved in the actual death itself. And I don't think that's true at all. And those animals do not. I mean you've got some instances with certain horses, maybe certain dogs, but it's an exception to the rule.

2:12:28But the rule of thumb is animals do not reciprocate that love. Right. But Theo had that mortician on and he was talking about like it takes a cat like 24 hours. If you die in the house, that cat's eating you unless and then most dogs, all small dogs are eating you like within 24 hours. But the guy said that something about labs, labs won't like it take a lab a long time before a lab ate you, but like a little dog. As soon as they're hungry, they're going to eat you. Really? So like you got all this love for this animal and like you don't he's like, all right, I'm eating you Kathy. You know, which I'm not trying to say that Kathy shouldn't care for her dog.

2:13:14All I'm saying is is like there's an order I think that was the way God designed us. And I'm not saying that means that we have a right to abuse animals at all. And because I again, those are exceptions to the rule in my industry. People don't like other people that like do bad things to animals. No, we need to be responsible. It's a side of a serial killer. Yeah. Some of the tortures animals are hurts animals. It's a sick person. It's complete. Yeah. It's a sick person. I don't know. It's not something that exists. Well, those PETA videos are like really poisoned a lot of people's minds too. But then there is the reality of factory farming, which is, you know, in a lot of ways very cruel.

2:13:57Yeah. You know, we've all seen those trucks fill with pigs or trucks fill with chickens going down the road. And they're all slammed in there together and it just doesn't look good. Yeah. And that's real too. But regular ranching, like what you're talking about, it's not the problem. I took a horse to that elk. I mean, boat kills are right there. And the second arrow, he went, we had lost an elk that morning. Like, we ended up finding him, but at the time, I was like, I don't want this for ask of the leave. You know, so I put a second arrow in him. And the way the sun beamed through the trees, it just like highlighted him in the video.

2:14:36And I was going to post it in the next day or two, but then that arrow hits him in a little bit of blood, comes out. And I was talking to Cam about it and he was like, man, and he went over like the death thing. Like, imagine that that that elk's death outside of like this merciful arrow, you know. Yeah. And there are parts of it that are brutal, you know, that like meaning like just like, I don't know, manly and wild. And like, it seems barbaric a little bit, but compare that to just that stun gun when they're going down a shoot, you know. Like, it's not, I mean, like that guy is probably a little more numb to it than anybody.

2:15:17Right. Which I think, hey, I need to eat. So do what you got to do. Yeah, but those guys just walking them all day long. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. But I don't know. There's a certain level of connection that you get with nature as a cowboy, you know, and you do get faced with death. And you know, like when you're tending to animals, like it just happens, you know, I lost one of my dad's pickup horses the other day and he died. He colicked and you know, like you're faced with it, you know, and we cut off part of his mane and pulled his shoes off and put him out in the pasture, you know, where he got to, you know, go back to dust, but it's just it's part of life, whether we like it or not.

2:16:03And like you said, like, you're not escaping it by going to the grocery store. You just don't have to look at it. Exactly. And you're not also escaping the horrors of monocrop agriculture, with that does to animals. The idea of having thousands of acres of corn and when they harvest that corn all sorts of shit is getting chopped up with that corn. Yeah. Also whatever grain, but it's wheat, alfalfa, whatever, when they're harvesting that stuff, there's a lot of animals dying. There's a lot of animals dying. And then there's a lot of groundhogs that get killed, a lot of gophers get killed, a lot of things get murdered in order to make sure that you have those vegetables that you think are so ethical.

2:16:39Yeah. You know. Yeah. And yeah, the farm inside of it is something I don't know. The sod busters. It's kind of like it's kind of like the difference in roughies and timies, you know, like the segregation. It's playful, you know, like we absolutely need farming. And I got a lot of friends that are farmers. It's just not something I'm as familiar with. But that's another thing though that gets your blood. Those people that really enjoy, I think there's certain things that speak to human evolution. And hunting is one of those. Like you don't know that you have this connection with it until you do it.

2:17:13And then it feels so right. It feels like this is what I'm supposed to be doing to get meat. Like this feels natural because humans did it for thousands and thousands of years. Same with agriculture. I'm sure the same with cowboying. There's probably something in it that like speaks to a part of who you are and how we became a civilized agricultural society. That you had to be good at this in order to survive. And so this is sort of baked into the human DNA. Yeah, and there's certain parts of it that are, you know, maybe difficult to digest, but that doesn't mean they're wrong. When they're new to you and it's your first time seeing it, like it might be unique and different.

2:17:57At first glance, making them comfortable, but that doesn't mean that it's evil. Right. You know, that's the thing. People are very limited in their experiences, but very confident in their opinions. And sometimes those two things don't go all together. Right. With the unique things and things that they don't really have knowledge of, like cowboying, like bohunting, like a lot of things. Like they don't understand it. Like why would you want to do that? You know, but if you did it, you don't understand. How much bow hunting have you done? That was my first bow hunt September. That's the first time.

2:18:31First time for an elk. That's wild. That's the first time to kill anything with a bow. That's a wild thing to kill for your first thing. That's the big one. That's the top of the food chain. No kidding. Bow hunting. I was nervous and white and indico. He was like, man, you need to get out there in the brush and find some rabbits and whatnot. But like time got away from me and I just didn't. But I practiced a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. I was kind of, we were kind of glassing this one six by six and I was nervous. Where were you? What kind of country? I was in Cremlin, Colorado, place, Bear Mountain, Outfitters, this Brad probes.

2:19:12He was a genius all week. And my inexperience kept me from getting this big six by six. Like I should have drawn on a couple of bowls, but I just didn't like step out when I needed to. Right. And he was walking me through it. So the last day, the last hour of sunlight, we were watching this six by six and my heart was racing and then he kind of trotted off my heart calm down and then out of nowhere, this five by five came up. And so it caught me off guard and I was able to do this. Yeah, this is the second shot. And, man, Jamie, you found exactly, you see the blood, the puffs, the swelling. Show me that again, Jamie.

2:19:54Back it up to the shot. Yeah, this is the, this is my second one. That one's at like 70 yards. That's quarter and away hard too. And then you see the blood. I mean, obviously he was already done. I was just nervous. We were losing. Oh, that's perfect shot. I didn't really realize he was done. Yeah, but it's always good to get a second arrow in him if you can always. Oh, so jacked. But Brad was like, he's going to come right there and just perfect. It was, it's a wild feeling. It was intense. It was so crazy. Yeah, it's very intense, very hard to keep it together on the shot, you know, and then when you're eating that animal, the satisfaction of it is just amazing.

2:20:39It's crazy how good it is. It's not gamey. No, elk is delicious. It's so good. It's not gamey at all. It's so good for you too. It's so filled with nutrients and vitamins and you feel it when you eat it. You're like, errrrr. Feel fucking energized. Yeah, because sometimes I've been eating too many steaks. Yeah. Like on carnivore, like I ate a lot of steaks because I love beef. Yeah, me too. It's really good to like go to some elk every now and then. Yeah. Or you know, you're not, you know, it's just, it's so lean. You gotta get your fats in if you're doing that. You know, I usually eat it with bacon or a cook it in beef talo too.

2:21:18You know, it's probably usually just the next meal. I'll go back to a steak. Yeah. Well, that's good too. I know I get plenty of fat from my rib eyes. Yeah. Though that's the best one in terms of like just being able to get your protein and your fat. A good marbled rib eye is the best. Oh man. I'm a rib eye man. Yeah, me too. That's all I order. And when you get your body accustomed to eating like that, man, it just feels so normal. It feels like it feels healthy. Like I never feel like bloated or stuffed or just like exhausted from food. Just launches so easy. Eat it. Feel great. I did it all through hunting camp.

2:21:56I just ate steak and eggs. That's all I did. I cheated. One dumb. Well, so like I do a little bit of fruit. And then I'll do like mountain ups supplements like so like I guess I kind of cheat a little. But like I don't do any bread or sugars, but I'll do like protein. That's the most important thing. There's I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. But I don't think fruit is our problem. I think the problem is processed foods. It's the number one problem. What the carnivore does is it's elimination diet. So it takes out almost everything that might be fucking you up. It takes out all the sugar, all the bread, all the pasta, all the processed food.

2:22:33Anything that might have glyphosate on it. Anything that might be irritable to your your body and cause inflammation. And then you just feel better. And then once your body adapts to eating just protein and fat, then you're running off of ketones. There's many times when you're doing a carnivore diet that you're essentially in ketosis. And when I find myself in that state, my brain works better. I can think better. I can form conversations better. I'm just like I'm less foggy. I feel like I have an extra gear to communicate with. I think it was like a year ago. I heard you say all that. Yeah. Because you had said occasionally you might cheat on sushi.

2:23:16Yeah. And you gave that what you just said. And then I heard the deal about cholesterol and half of the people that dive heart attack didn't have eye cholesterol. And I was like, all right, I'm doing that. Yeah. And I started in Christmas. And then I've been good all year. And then on 4th of July I go to, I think you might follow. I just saw you follow Hannah Baron. Yeah. She does the New Zealand. Yeah, that's crazy. Every year I go. And Jeff, her dad, convinced me to eat ice cream. And I didn't poop right for a week. So it had been seven months. I know sugar and no bullshit. And I ate that ice cream.

2:23:57And for a week I kept texting Jeff. I was like, this is your fault. But now that's a, that is a crazy watching that 110 pound girl pull out 75 pound catfish with her hand. Yeah, that, that noodle and thing is nuts. Because what if you get a snap of turtle? Well, they say that, well, number one, I don't do it without Jeff over my shoulder. There's big biceps. Keep me safe. But they, they say that like snap of turtles and snakes aren't going to be where there's not oxygen. Oh. So if the hole is completely underwater, then it's like 99 .9 % that you're okay. So how do you find a catfish? Like the water's brown.

2:24:39So what are you doing? You're just sort of feeling around. So we, I've been in Texas and you kind of just got to like, either know what the holes are, like a rock. Or you just go down the banks. We just go down the banks and reach in and you'll find three and four pounders. They don't let you put boxes out in Texas. But like where we go over there in Alabama and around there, they, they'll be like, they'll put a box out. What does that mean? So like, a little smaller than this much of the table. They'll be a, maybe about where your coffee cup is and they'll put a hole in it on the, on the corner.

2:25:18Oh, to set it up so that the catfish go in there. So the theme, I think what the way it normally works is the, the female come in, lice amags. And then the male will come in and protect the eggs. And there's only a certain timeframe that you do it. And you go in and you put your arm in and you wave it around like this. You, like you'll get shoulder deep in that. And immediately they can, they sent you. They know you're in there. The catfish does. And they'll go to bottom, like a blue, the blues are like super aggressive. And like you can tell the difference. A flat head will kind of bite. So that's a box.

2:25:55Yeah, those are some different boxes that guys will put out. And then you just reach your arm in there and grab the catfish and bite your arm. Then we do grab it. Bite your arm and then you'll move to like putting your, Hannah should have. Yeah, so that's Jeff on the left. That's Jordan. She works for me. That's not Hannah. Jordan, she routes bulls. And so right there there's a hole in the reaching and trying to grab a whole of this catfish. And so what are you feeling around for? So you put in there and then you kind of, you, you just feel that fish. And eight times out of 10, they'll bite your arm.

2:26:31I don't know if she gets one caught right here. Oh, it is. Whoa. And you're reaching in there. You grab their bottom jaw with your hand and then you run your left hand into under the gill plate so you don't mess up their gills and you pull them up. And you let these things go or you eat them. Yeah, most of the time like, because you can catch like one day we caught 20. So like, we'll let them go most of the time. Like you might catch one or two and eat them. Like that night, we, I think we kept two and we ate. And you keep the males because the females are obviously going to, the yellow cats eat so good, so good.

2:27:14And, how do you cook them? Cut them up into chunks, roll them in flour and then dip them, put them in oil. Deep fry. Well, first you soak them, Jeff does this. He'll soak them in red hot for a little bit in a baggie like the chunks of them. And then roll them in just flour and then put them in, put them in oil and pull them out and then put a little bit of garlic salt on them. It's the best fish. I don't know. That's my, that and elk hunting. Like, they'll, those two trips are out of each other. Really? That's so fun. Is as fun as elk hunting. They're just so different. They're so unique. It's like, but you just got to experience it.

2:27:59It's such a rush and then you grab it and when you come out with that, with those big fish. So this is how you cook it? Yeah. That looks like Hannah probably. Yeah, they'll cut them up like that and... And then once you get them in the chunks, then he does the red hot. He'll put the red hot in that bowl or in a baggie. Take that little skin off that's on there. What's it similar to? I've had catfish fried before. I've had fried catfish like fillets. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's, it's like a really tender and better tasting like chicken. Really? Like, that's the only thing I could think that would be the closest thing to it.

2:28:43But, yeah, you can't leave it in the bowl too long and you want to, as soon as you cut it up, you need to be cooking it pretty quick. It can, it can spoil real fast. And the big one stays good too? Is there a difference between the big ones and the little ones? How they taste? I think there's a, now that I'm thinking about it, there's probably a way to like bleed them. After you, you know, when you're cutting them up at the end, like where you let that blood get out of me. They usually say that you just wasn't bleeding like right when you first catch them. We don't do that. Could you give them a lie for a while?

2:29:14No, I mean like it might be like two or three hours before we, you know, start cutting them up. But you don't, yeah, we don't, we don't bleed them right away now. So what do you do when you catch them? Do you put them on the shore? Do you put them in the boat? We just throw them in the boat. The boat? Yeah. Yeah, we'll put them in the boat and you can survive just breathing air for a long, fucking time can't think. I think, I mean, it looks like it when their jaws are kind of, you know. That's the unique thing about catfish and like some carp too, right? They can just come up and get some actual air.

2:29:49Yeah, Jeff and Anna would know better than me. Yeah, I don't know. They're the extent of my, like I, I let, like I said, I've gone a few times in Texas. I get a little nervous about it. But it's such a rush, grabbing them and pulling them out of those, those holes, man. I don't know, something about it. You should try it one day. Okay. I think you might really enjoy it. I bet I probably would. I don't, I don't think you'll enjoy it more than elk hunting. That was maybe a little bit strong of a statement to me. I don't think that's possible. But it's, it's, it's just a different thing. Yeah. And it is so fun.

2:30:24But well, I love regular fishing. Yeah. Yeah. Once you, once you start catching them with your hands, it's kind of like bow hunting compared to like sitting in a deer blind, you know, like, it's not that you throw rocks at it. But man, once you kill something with a bow, that's how you want to do it. That's how I feel about. I'm sure bass fishing, you know, would still be fun to me. I haven't gone since I've gone noodle in, but pulling them out by your hands is just like, it's like the man stuff. Tell that to Hannah. Dude, no, kiddin'. Like, that girl, you throw her out in the wilderness and she will survive.

2:31:00Yeah. Plus, she's also gorgeous. Yeah, there's not a lot of chicks like that out there. No. But when they are, boy, they, they could really do some damage on social media. You would expect a girl that's that good at pulling catfish out of a hole that, you know, they'd have a dip in and maybe, you know, look a little different than Hannah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's, that's another weird subculture, southern subculture of newtlers. People would look down on like, what are you doing? Yeah, I can't remember like it. Like, she'll like go out that and then go hunt squirrels. Like, she does all of it.

2:31:36Like, Jeff and like their country. They're gonna be all right. Their country. Country boy can survive. They'll like Williams Jr. song. That's it. Yeah. I'll be all right so long as I got access to some cows and horses. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you do a little bow honey too now. Yeah. I'm hooked now on that. Oh, yeah. That's one thing that when September rolls around, there's also something that's so unique about elk hunting because, you know, you're, you're sneaking up on them. Hopefully they don't even know you're there. You're experiencing the screams, the bugles and the rutting, the fights and they smash into each other.

2:32:16It's like, you feel so fortunate to be just witness to that stuff. And the small window, like you said, September, really like even just a few weeks depending on where you're at, that you have to like go after them. You know, and I guess that's one of the things about elk hunting. Like, I have nothing against, you know, the longbow, the rifle. But, and I've harvested a lot of animals that way, but like being able to like, I mean, can was like one yard away from that one that he shot. I know. That was very unusual. That was, he was in the middle of the trail and the elk had no idea he was there until it was like literally, I think it was two yards away from him.

2:32:54So it was for me to you when he releases the arrow. It was bananas. Bananas. You don't even use your sights. Well, he uses 50 yard pin because even though something's very close, the, what happens is when you are very close to someone, even though it's very close to a target, even though it's counterintuitive, you want to use the more distant pin because it takes a while for your arrow to rise up and hit its apex. So when it comes straight out of the bow, if you try to use like a 20 yard pin, you'll be hitting it very low. Really? Yeah, you want to use a 50 yard pin. Dang. I like two yards. I know it sounds counterintuitive.

2:33:33Yeah. But it's just understanding the arc of the arrow when it leaves the bow. So when your arrow leaves the bow, it goes up and drops in. And so you have to have that sight up in order for it to go straight at six yards because it hasn't started to climb yet. That makes a lot of sense. I would have not known that in the moment. It's very counterintuitive. You would think, oh my god, I can't even have the 20 yard pin. I got to roll it back even further, but you don't. You have to have rolled it up higher. Yeah. It seems I've never done it before. I've never taken a frontal shot like that either, which is also, you have to really understand what you do.

2:34:08I mean, he did it perfect. You see the arrow. He went right through the animal's heart. He has a photo on his Instagram of the animal's heart with the arrow poking out of it. It was the perfect shot. But that's a deep understanding of not just what pin to use, but of anatomy, when to pull the trigger, like what to do, you have to be very, very experienced to do what he did there. Even though it seems like, oh, that was so easy. You shot it at two yards. I probably wouldn't have shot it. I wouldn't have been confident in it enough. Right. And I might not have, I mean, if I don't have a pin that's set at 50 at that moment, what would I do?

2:34:43That's the arrow poking out of the heart. I mean, that is an absolutely perfect shot. You can't get any better than that. Perfect. That animal died in 30 yards, which probably took three seconds for it to hit 30 yards. 30 yards. Yeah. And it was down. Three seconds. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. That's a quick death. It's a quick, a merciful death. And again, that animal's not getting that death anywhere. I mean, that was in the mountains of Utah. They're surrounded by mountain lines. We saw some big one. I saw a big one there two years ago. Who was big? A lot of bears out there. They're starting to see wolves.

2:35:17You know, there's real animals there. And every few days, those mountain lines, bears and wolves are going to take down an elk. Every few days. Every few days. They wreck havoc on the calves, especially the bears. Like when the elk are calving, the bears come out looking for it. They smell it. That's what they want. Well, Cam's goal was to make more bow hunters and elk specifically. And he definitely did it with me. Yeah, he did it with me too. That's right. Yeah, I mean, he's the reason why bow hunting. He got me into it. He taught me to shoot. And then John Dudley gave me lessons. And those guys have taken me out deer hunting, elk hunting.

2:35:58It's a totally different life. You start doing that. And then you, I look, it's like my best escape from the grind of what I do. Yeah. There's nothing like it. Because when you're out there, you're not thinking of anything else. You can't. When you're making a stalk on an elk and you're playing the wind and you got your boots off because you're, you have to tread over leaves quietly. Like when you do it, you're not thinking of anything else. It cleans your mind of all your stress, all your things. The only stress you have is of doing what you've trained to do in that moment, that very intense moment.

2:36:33That's exactly what it was. Now that you mentioned it, like the only, especially having messed up early in the hunt and not stepped out and got this six plus six I should have. So then I'm just trying to, you know, play catch up. I mean, that was the only thing I was worried about. And when you're at full draw and you're about to execute a shot, the whole world disappears. The whole world goes away. There's nothing happening other than those pins on the vitals, staying steady, executing a shot perfectly, making sure there's no movement. Everything's just fluid and perfect. And then watching that arrow fly and hearing that, the whack.

2:37:09It's like there's nothing like it in the world. How many have you harvested? It's a good question. Dang, well that's enough. There's like 15 now, I think. Really? Yeah. Dang. Yeah. I saw them four or five out there. Yeah, I got a whole archery range back with all the other bulls in it. Dang. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell me and my, my, well, a dusty person, the guy that manages that branch at the six is, is who went with me. And that first, the five by five, my first shot before that one, he like comes up. And the same thing I would have done, Dusty, like tries to stop him with like a white tail grunt in the video, like, you know, like you can kind of, I don't know, it was just funny.

2:37:54Like you can just tell that, you know, we're kind of inexperienced in the out game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was our first one. So, well, white tail grunt will stop him. Any noise will stop him. It did that day. Yeah. Yeah. You need something. Right. No, I did ride the in. That's a whole different kind of hunting, that white tail hunting. That is a mind game. You know, John Dudley and Jaco are right now, they're in Iowa and freezing their asses off in a tree stand. That's a totally different game. We just climb up in the tree and you wait all day. Yeah. You wait all day and you wait many days in a row for this one moment where the deer is close enough.

2:38:31Yeah. The deer walks by you. You just have to just hope that the wind is right and hope that you play it right and hope that they don't see movement. That's a crazy game because I don't have the patience for it. I've done it before. I'll do it again. It's still fun, but it's a different mental game. I much prefer stalking the physical difficulty of getting up the mountains, getting close to them. The fact that you need to be in shape to do all that. Because there's going to be times you got to get to that mountain quick. You see them coming around the ridge. You got to beat them over the side.

2:39:02If you don't get there in time, you're going to miss that opportunity. You have to be fit. With the white tail woods, it's totally different. You're just sitting there. Just sitting there. The whole thing is just playing that mind game and not going crazy sitting in a tree stand for 10 hours. It's crazy they say that. I guess that's putting words to like, I got back from that elk hunt. Somebody's like, well, you're going to go white tail hunting now. I didn't have a drive to go do it. I was more excited about elk hunting next year. It kind of took away some of the drive of like, which I don't white tail hunt a lot.

2:39:38Anyway, I'll be excited about stalking maybe some pigs, which we have plenty of in Texas. I might go do that because it's so similar. The stalk of the elk hunt is so much of it. That's the way people have always done it, I think. That's why it's also the most difficult way. Because you really got to move slow. You really got to keep it together. There's a decision. It turns broadside, now's a time draw. Then it's like, oh my god, it's happening. Then you got to keep your shit together while it's happening. That's it. It's exactly it. It's so hard. It's so hard. But man, that food that you get out of that is so delicious and so nutritious and so worth it.

2:40:21And there's so much of it. Yeah. There are times, there are certain cuts. It's hard to compare to beef because they got to put beef in it. If you get the hamburger or the sausage, they're out of it. Well, they're out of fat. Yeah, they're out of beef fat. Yeah, we're pork fat. Butting them. They're just so different. They look the same. You throw them on a plate. They're very similar, but they're just so different. Yeah. No, it's an awesome way to get food. And again, it's an amazing discipline because there's so many layers to it. I've been bow hunting now for almost 10 years and it just keeps getting a heap learning.

2:40:59You're always learning. If there's a belt system, I'm probably like a purple belt in bow hunting. I'm a white belt. Still a shitload to learn. I know how to do it now. I can pull it off. If I don't have someone telling me what to do, I know what to do. I know to check the wind. I know to move when he's not looking. I know where I'm going to be safe and where I'm not going to be safe. Where I'm going to have a shooting lane where I won't. Don't take a shot. This one won't work. This one he's quartering too. You don't have a shot. You got to know when to shoot. When not to shoot. And all that stuff takes a long time to learn.

2:41:40And then you have to be confident in your shooting. So you have to put thousands of arrows down range. So you know like 50 yards to me is a chip shot. I got a 50 yard shot at a bowl. I'm like, oh yeah, that's dead. 100%. Whereas when I first started like 50 yards, I have a fucking football field. Oh shit. That's so far. But you know, the practice at 150 looks pretty easy. Yeah. That's where I mean, it took me probably four months. You know, before I felt comfortable with anything past 40, anything. Yeah. And then the second shot, like I said, was like 70. And I didn't have really time to think about it.

2:42:24I didn't even have a pin for it. I kind of had to stack a pin on top of, you know. And uh. Did a pin gap. Yeah. But it was the hours that it took to go into it. Like, I mean, any, I feel like an hour less. And I wouldn't have been able to harvest that. Do you have a coach like a archery coach? It just someone shows you proper. Wayne in the cut. Oh perfect. I just, well, I mean, I send him videos like once a month, I would, you know, like, hey, is my form look? Right. You know, like perfect. Like I just, I don't have nobody. Right. You know, Cam, I'm sure Cam would help me, you know, so he's just so busy.

2:42:59Yeah. You know, and Wayne is too, but. Wayne enjoys teaching people too. Right. He's an excellent coach. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he actually coaches people, you know, he's brought me to the competitions. And such. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. And that bow rack is a great, great fucking place too. Yeah. It's like, to have a place like we have a place like that in Texas archery country, which is just like that. It's amazing place. It's like having a bow shop is so important. Having people that really know how to tune a bow correctly. So you really have confidence in your equipment. You know, you could, you could go to them and say, this something seems off.

2:43:33There's something I'm hitting low, you know, something's going on. Oh, the strings are stretching. Yeah. Let's fucking recalibrate this and it's so important to have someone who really knows what to do. And the bow rack is a great resource for that as his archery country. Yeah. I've heard you talk about them. There is one place in Weatherford. I came here and was called like, I like overdrew. Like, I kind of, I was trying to really extend and pull back at the same time. And the, the, the, the lambs crunch down and stayed down. They didn't explode. And then my string was all. And I sent a picture to Wayne and he was like, send that to me now.

2:44:09But there was a bow shop in Weatherford and I just went down and they were like, oh, please set that down on the table. And I was like, oh, here it is. But apparently it was like ready to explode, which blows my mind. But I think maybe it's from the heat. I'd left it in the back seat of my pickup only for like two or three hours. But it got pretty hot summer. And I think the heat mixed with wind. But they were everybody was like, no, it shouldn't do that. But they got it fixed and I killed an elk with it. So it was fine. I wonder what was wrong. I don't know. I'll show you a picture at some point.

2:44:42Yeah, show me the picture. I'm curious is to what the hell was going on with that thing. But besides that fucking bell buckle son. Yeah, that's why look at that champion this year.

2:44:56I'm running to somebody like, oh, good for you. Don't get the joke. Yeah, that's it's such a joke too, because that's the most preposterous size bell buckle. Exactly. No, whatever we have belt buckle that big. This is not a real belt buckle. Yeah, like this is a real belt buckle. Right. Yeah, that's a normal belt buckle. Exactly. Yeah, that thing's outrageous. Oh, man. But that is a big thing about rodeo guys.

2:45:25Okay, let me see what's going on here. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's stuck like that. That's crazy. Isn't that wild? Like I just drew back and I just blew out. Well, your string just blew out. Yeah, and it went off the cable. They didn't replace the string. What? Like they were like, yeah, the string's fine and they put it back. And then I kept shooting for two more months and shot an end. So what made it, it came, if you look at the top, it's off the cams. The strings are off the cams. I wonder how that happened. Well, whenever it folded like that, the string was just so loose. Yeah. Well, the string is off.

2:46:00If you look at the top cam, the string is not on the cam anymore. That's why it's so loose. Oh, got you. See how it's not connected anymore? That ring thing is the cam? Yes, that's the cam. That's the mechanical advantage. As you're pulling back these powerful limbs, it rolls over these cams. And your string was off the cam. So as it rolled over, your string doesn't have any resistance at the top. So it's just like, it's got an extra half a foot foot to pull back. And then it's just loose. So it's not connected anymore. Yeah. Not good. It just doesn't make sense that it rolled over like that. I don't know.

2:46:34It must have fallen off. Something must have pushed it somehow or another. And then it was as you drew back, instead of rolling through that groove, it went off the side. And then you had nothing. No resistance at all. Yeah. Yeah, because that's just flopping around. It doesn't look like we explode, but it definitely doesn't look good. When they explode is when the limbs break. That can happen, but it's super, super rare. Especially if you get a modern bow like a hoit, they dry fire those hundreds of times to make sure that those limbs are fucking bulletproof. By the time you get a hoit bow, that motherfucker sorted out.

2:47:14Right. You know, they got out. So that is a cam issue. Something happened with that cam with a string. Either the cam got loose or moved or the string got pushed off the side. I never seen that before. Yeah. It made me feel like an elementary school kid. Like I was just like, I'd done this thing. And I was like, son of a gun. And I had no idea. Like I don't know any of the terminology that you'd been saying. Like, cam handed me the bow in February. And I've shot it a bunch. And then I'd message, uh, Wayne ever now and then. And then I would post a video and nine, nine people would be like, give me criticisms.

2:47:53I'd be like, sure I'd tell the hell up. But then I would kind of do it. You know what I mean? But I'm gonna remember that. And so I just slowly, and then stuff like that would happen. And I just thought like, okay, if that, if my target is at 40 yards, I can hit it. So if I can control my emotions, like I know how to hit that at 40, 50, 60 yards, if I can control my emotions in the moment, which hopefully Rodio had helped me do. Yeah, I'm sure it did. Then maybe that I'll be successful. And so I was super confident in the back of my head, just with my ability to do it. Like I was also not naive about my inexperience.

2:48:33But if I could get drawn on one with a good target, I felt confident I could maybe kill him. Well, I guarantee you that the nerves that someone must face when you're about to ride a bow or a bucking Bronco, is probably as extreme as anything you'll ever face in anything. So that would without a doubt help you with bow hunting. I was more nervous to come on here than I could. I could now dang sure be more nervous to do stand up. But this is easy. Look how easy it's been. For sure. It's been fun. I guess there's just that not that my, what I have to say is gonna change anybody, but just like having listened to like, I mean, there's some of your podcasts that just like, me personally have changed my life, you know.

2:49:17Change my life too. You know me part. Yeah, yeah, you know me part. Yeah. I still think about her every day. You know what I talk about adversity, man? That lady's life. That is an insane story escaping North Korea at 13 years old. I mean, the horrific story is crazy. Yeah, people like that have no patience for bullshit. You know, like I don't want to hear your victim nonsense. Like, you know what I went through? Shit. She went through everything. Why? Why are you fat? Just stop beating. Yeah, that's so simple. That's it. It's so simple. Like, just stop beating. Why are you fat? People that have come from really hard places, they have no patience for nonsense.

2:49:58Yes. They just, and they see it coming and like, oh my god, like you guys don't even know what you're bringing on to the world, with all this crazy communism talk. You don't even know what you're asking for. What you're asking for is the horrors of human civilization in its worst forms. Yeah, totalitarian dictatorships, the dictate exactly what you could do, exactly what you could say, exactly what you could eat, how you work, what you say, how you behave, what you can dress like. That's the North Korea. Yes, he said that. That's hell. The only thing they were free to do is breathe. Yeah. They didn't even have a word for I.

2:50:37They don't have a I. You were sitting in front of her, you know that. I was just like this. Yeah, they don't have that. Yeah, it's we. Yeah. That's North Korea. She's who, it's just like people that should we make communism a thing. All right, well, let's ask Park. Right. And put her on a pedestal and say, tell us. And then she would tell us. Look at the people that come from Cuba. They don't want to hear no bullshit. Yeah. No nonsense. No nonsense. Do you see the Biden administration is shipping people back to Venezuela, people that escape Venezuela and came to America because they know they're going to vote Republican.

2:51:14They don't want to have nothing to do with socialism. People that escape that shit in Venezuela, they are the ones that they don't want. So actively working with the Venezuelan government to ship back people to Venezuela. I mean, that's what Park is. She's like, she's like, I didn't mean to, but apparently on the right. Right. Exactly. I'm on the right side of the aisle now. Yeah. And she talks about that. Like the left hates me for some reason. Well, for some reason, they just don't want to look at her suffering and her story because it interferes with their narrative. Yeah. We just haven't done communism right yet.

2:51:48No one's done it correctly. What they don't understand is the only way to enforce communism is force. That's the only way to get people to give up their property and to fall in line and to do everything for the greater good of everyone else. And it's usually one group of people have mass control of the resources and wealth, which is what communist dictatorships are and everybody else suffers. The idea of equality is not equality. It never works that way. It's not human nature. You know, if what you want is like genuine charity from people. What you want is people that contribute to the community and they think about it and they do it voluntarily.

2:52:23And it's reinforced by the culture. That's what you want. What you don't want is the government telling you that you have to give up most of your money for the greater good of everybody else because then they just take it. And that's how it worked in North Korea and that's how it would work everywhere. The only way to enforce that kind of a lot because it's so unnatural for people to not exist in a true, like what people enjoy in life is succeeding. The difficult struggle of trying to do something that's hard to do and finding your own path and through that freedom becoming successful. A meritocracy, a real meritocracy where everybody has a chance.

2:53:06That's what we should strive for in this country. Meritocracies, not victim mentality and certainly not communism. It's a terrible idea. And it seems like a good idea because why does so many have so much and others have so little? Well, the problem is the culture is not encouraging the people that have so much to realize that they're so fortunate and to help out in some way. That would be better. What's the worst thing is taking from those people and giving it to people who are doing nothing. Then you're creating this entitlement class. You're creating this group of people to think that some other people that are successful or evil if other people aren't successful and it's just a way to pit us against each other.

2:53:47And that's not what we need in this country. What we need is people coming together and realizing that we're all one big community and trying to do something for the greater good of the whole community and encouraging people to do better in their own lives, encouraging people and giving them the opportunity to work hard and feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something. That's what we should all be striving for. So... Somehow another that's right wing. Yeah, which is got it crazy. What I was about to say, pretty much everybody where I come from is fist pumping. They agree with everything you just said.

2:54:25Selfishly for me, like not selfishly, I mean everybody's wondering it, but just like, what do I do? Even just me specifically, like with, you know, I've got a platform where comedy is my main thing. That's where there's so many things I want to talk about. I think people come to me for an escape. So two different questions, like what do I do on that level? But then also what do I do just on the human level of like making that change or like how do you talk about that because it's so divisive to people? I think you live your life as an excellent example. That's what you do. You live your life and people learn from watching you.

2:55:12They learn from, I want to live my life the way that guy's living. That guy seems fulfilled and happy and he works hard and it's obviously very satisfying for him. I want to feel that too. And through example, you live your life and you help people through the example of the way you live your life. That's real man. That's what I get out of very inspirational people, like we talked about Goggins and Cam and Jocco and there's a lot of people like that out there that inspire me. And Jordan Peterson and just really Douglas Murray, brilliant people who, through their own hard work and dedication, have carved out this life and then through their words and their brilliance inspire other people to learn and grow.

2:55:55Yeah. That's what's up Dale, Brisbane. What if they knock on, what if they knock on your door? Who's that? I mean like you're in Texas where they come and take it flag. Oh, you mean the government comes and knocks on your door? The problem is in this country people are very independent and we're very well -armed and we're also not interested in being controlled by the government. And the problem with the government is it's filled with people and most of those people that you would have to have control people are regular people. It's easy to convince some to turn arms against their brothers and sisters because the government tells you to do it.

2:56:37There are people that would fall in line with that. But I think they'd have a hard time convincing most people, especially most people that are genuinely patriotic that sign up for the military and for law enforcement. They're not interested in doing that. They're not interested in forcing the will of these people that are tyrants. Yeah. Now it'd be harder to pull off in America than with a lot of places. I think America has instilled in us this love of freedom. And some people, that's one of the reasons why they try to demonize that because that's very difficult to control people that have this reinforced love of freedom.

2:57:13I agree with that. And to convince you that it's for the greater good of everyone, if we take away your guns, the greater good of everyone, if you fall in line for the greater good of everyone, if you pay 90 % in taxes, if greater good of everyone, if you do this or you do that, and ultimately it's not. It's for the greater good of the people that are in control. And it seems like every time they make those decisions the world just gets worse. It doesn't get more equitable and fair. It gets fucking worse. It gets worse. The economy gets worse. The people struggle more. It's not good. What we need to do is figure out a way to give people more opportunity to succeed.

2:57:46Not to just give people things. And that's human nature. That's what makes people happy people. Well, maybe people happy people is teaching them how to live their life and allowing them to live their life in a way that gives them the maximum amount of freedom and the most amount of satisfaction. I guess I asked that, like I said, like my dad died 10 years ago, like two months before my first video, which was funny because he was the reason that it started, you know, but and then there was just like this gap where I was like, oh man, I got like I've got to become a man now. And it means like I've got to make decisions that are going to affect me and they'll be people looking to me like how are you going to decide on this and I get to set the tone.

2:58:35And there's certain things, you know, like my faith that are easy for me to make decisions on like what I would do in certain instances. But then there's other things like as an American and that's what makes me ask that question, just like how far do you take this or that. And that's where like listening to you talk about it on this podcast, listening to Marcus talk about it, you know, like I've had to look outside of myself to make decisions on what kind of man, what kind of American I'm going to be. And that's what made me ask that question. Like I guess, you know, I just kind of looked to my dad on a lot of things and like default to him.

2:59:15And then him dying was just it tested everything. I had to go back and like not that I thought he was wrong, but just like start over in a way and just like re -evaluate. And you got to figure it out for yourself. Figure it out for myself because if I'm willing to die for it, then I better be pretty damn sure. Right. You know, and I don't know sometimes I think, you know, people might say that and they're not willing to die for it. It's just sexy to and fun and they jump on a bandwagon, but like I'm kind of more like, I mean, I'm going to better be careful because if I do go down this route, I'm going to that's what I mean.

2:59:54That's what I think I mean. That's what I hope I mean. Let's hope that never is a problem. But yeah, I don't think that would be a problem. How the hell is going to be a problem in this country? I hope not. But my real fear is that if a tragedy happens, if some sort of a attack happens, some sort of a horrific event happens, then they start clamping down on people because that's what they did right after 9 -11. They passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That's where things get sketchy. What things get sketchy is they take advantage of something that happens and they clamp down on people more in order to protect you and keep you safe.

3:00:25You got to give away some freedom. And the DAT is just not the way to go. It took a long time to create something like America. And we got to keep this thing going. Well, I mean, there's some. There's some of those things that happen where it's strength in. Like for instance, COVID, like I don't know in California, there were like lines around the block for people trying to defend them, you know, get a gun so they could defend themselves. Without a fear. That was the George Floyd riots. Because the, yeah, because the defund the police movement and they realized that cops aren't showing up anymore and people's houses are getting broken into and that's when people were lying around the block for guns.

3:01:05And I had like a lot of my liberal friends asking me if they could use one of my guns. Like that's not how it works, bro. Yeah. Like you got to go get a gun. You got to go get one. You got to learn how to shoot it. Right. You don't know how to shoot a gun. I'm not going to give you a gun. You don't know how to shoot. You should go to a range, get instructions. Yeah. You got to change things. Change things. Change the team's second amendment. Yeah. You know, and when you really need that, when you really need to protect your family, that's when you realize why the second amendment exists. You know, it's very, it's, it's, when you don't need it and it's not a concern in your life and it's never something you've had to deal with.

3:01:41You could easily brush aside the idea that that's important, the ability to defend yourself. But it's very important. It's just like Woodrow F. Call said in Lonesome Dove, it's better to have it not need it than need it and not have it. Yes, sir. And it's like that jujitsu for me that one in 10 year, one in 20 year, maybe never happened at all. Like it's better to have it not need it than need it not have it because it's about a 20 minute before the cops can get to my house. It's like 20 minutes. Well, in these days, like, you know, in a lot of cities where they've defunded the police, that's generous.

3:02:19It might be an hour, even violent encounters. You can't, you can't wait 20 minutes. No, you can't. It's just like the people that don't agree with it. But they still want that meat to be in the grocery store. Like that's the level of delusion. I convenient thinking. Yeah. It's just I'm just not going to need a gun. But I've know a lot of people though in LA that have experienced violent encounters that have completely switched sides. Right. I have friends that were super anti -gun. Now they have multiple guns. I'm curious. I don't know where she stood before. It's Andrew Bullock. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

3:02:52Um, Sandra Bullock. Have you heard that 911 call? No. She's in the house on the phone with 911. And somebody's in her house. Is that out here? Where was that? I don't know. Like, I've heard it online. Am I wrong, Jamie? Is that recent? I'm pretty sure that that that it's Sandra Bullock on the phone with now. Is that recent? 2018. 2018. Like I don't like I said, I don't know. Scary shit. I'm sure the 14 is what happened. I'm sorry. Okay. Scary shit. But, but somebody like that, like it's pretty tested. Like you don't have time. You're on the phone with the police. Right. You know, it's and it's either you or them.

3:03:29Yeah. And that's like very basic, you know, but anyway. Yeah. Anyway. That's a cowboy logic. That's another thing that I think a lot of my people agree with. Yeah. Well, it's sound logic. Yeah. I just be prepared. Better to be prepared than not be prepared. Yeah. For sure. Well, Dale Brisbane. It's been fun talking to you brother. I appreciate you coming on. I enjoyed it. Tell everybody how they watch your videos and see all the shit online. Oh man, anywhere. YouTube. It's a great. Dale Brisbane Bull rider on YouTube. YouTube. And just Dale Brisbane on everything else rodeo time .com. There you go.

3:04:09Thanks for coming in brother. I appreciate you. Yeah. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for the hat too. Yeah, sir. Thanks for you there. All right. Bye brother.