#2059 - Adam Greentree

25:36And I was like, ah, stuff that I'll go with the trad bow for the next couple of days. And so I hung up with the tradbo on a shot of a bunch of pigs and a buffalo and stuff like that. And then when I went back to the compound, I felt like I was shooting a sniper rifle because the re -curve is so hard. I would imagine that it would help your compound bull shoot it. 100 % it does. And so my effective range with the tradbo is like 30 yards. Ideally, I'm at 10 or 15. So even half in the stalk in that close, which with traditional gear, and then having the compound and being at like 40, 50 and being just like, oh, this thing's done, you know.

26:12Right. And shooting it. So, do you bring a lot of arrows with you when you go on these backcountry hunts? On the Northern Territory one I do. Yeah, this hunt? No. Colorado one. How many you bring? Five arrows in the river. That's it. Yeah, I think. I think it's too practice it all when you're not there. Yeah, I think I took seven or eight, so I had a couple in the backpack this trip. And because I shot a grass as well, So pretty much the arrow is done because usually you shoot them off a branch. And then one of the days I stacked it pretty hard like fell over and hit the rest and bent the rest down or the rest shifted.

26:50Then I had spare arrows to actually pull it back up and shoot my bow in the place. And luckily it just sort of ripped that grub screw down. So I could see the position that I had this hit in and I had one shot and it was bullsized straight away. So but I still wanted a couple of shots because of it. So yeah, but like you're going the shoot one ball Right, I wasn't like I had a Mildew tag or another tag with me. It's just like grab it sometimes you have to take follow -up shots Sometimes things hit branches about five hours in the quiver you should be yeah, you should be you should be Especially if you're limited to a distance, you know, are you still using those two blade solid broadheads, which were company to use.

27:29Use Kaya Gaboraudeds. Yeah. So they've got a broadie quarter. Are you Australian, too, those? Because they, like, how can you tell if you're not hitting the bone or not, right? Like, I watch these videos of these white towel dudes shooting white towel, and the arrow's hanging out of the white towel this much. And they still kill it, because they've got a broaded that's fucking like 10 inches wide. Well, they use it in a mechanical. Mechanical, it just expands and opens them up. But like because we're shooting buffalo so I do that buffalo hunt once or twice a year and then like some of our bigger deer like the red deer are pretty solid as well.

28:03With a two blade broaded you can still split bone and punch all the way for the animal you know and it's like if you shoot something in Australia using that sort of setup like 70 or 80 pound bow a good like micro diameter shaft so there's no restriction on the shaft actually passing for the animal after the and a decent solid broader. If you're not picking your arrow up in the dirt somewhere out the other side, you're like, shit, where do they go wrong? You know, and it's like so. There's hardly any what we'd call flag and an animal where the arrow is hanging out of it. It's like punched straight through, whole in one side and out the other.

28:36Like that's what you want. I just know so many people that have made shots with those little single bevel, small, tiny heads. And they just, you know, the animal will run so far. Whereas if you hit it with a good two inch cut rage, the fuckers are not going anywhere. If you get past the bone, yeah, for sure. But if you've shot it in the right place, like double lungs is double lungs. So if you've actually got double lungs, that animal's dead, you know, and it's just like, but there's pros and cons to it for sure. I'll lack a blood trial, whereas you'll shoot something with your setup and... It's crime scene.

29:12Yeah, there's just pain to the ground. Cam Haines is shooting a four -blade. He's shooting a corner for. It's like throwing a crap in a hug. He's like, you're a fucking f**king hamster. I know. Because it's just shit just dropping everywhere around it. Well, he wasn't forever. He would go with a mushy trocar. That was his thing. Yeah, you know, three blades fixed head. That's all he ever shot. And then Wayne endocrats, like, you really have to try these. And he had like a questionable hit on a deer. And he's like, shit. And then he saw the deer run 30 yards and die instantly. And he's like, whoa.

29:44And it's just because you're just opening them up. Yeah, in Lennie, I was shooting the rage. That trip with you guys. And I made like a pretty average shot. Like I'd expect the animal to probably run 100 yards before he pulled up and dropped. And it was just like he ran 20 yards and just dropped. And I was like, wow, and got over there. And yeah, it was pretty much already filled dressed him and everything, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, that's the weird debate amongst bow hunters. Fixed blade or mechanical. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me.

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31:08It's authentically American, representing uncompromising quality for the rugged, the powerful, and the passionate. Tap the banner to learn more or visit buffalotracedistillery .com. That's buffalotracedistillery .com. Distilled, aged, and bottled by buffalo trace distillery, 90 proof. Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent, and perfectly untamed. And when I really got fixed on a fixed blade was called this big red stag in like he come down through the mist like I couldn't even see him just could hear him up there raking a tree like in the rut and then started calling and hearing him coming down the mountain and he sort of come, come slightly angling on but pretty much facing me and I was like like shit I'll wait for him to turn and he was pretty much going to come straight over top of me.

32:04So I thought, I can slip it in there. And as I shot, he turned. So I hit him right on that bone, that front leg bone. And it split the ball joint of the leg bone, like straight and half, angled down, went in through a rib, threw his heart out through another rib, and into the bottom joint on the far side leg. And like it just dropped you on the spot because the pindies legs together. Obviously died pretty much instantly through the heart. and like took all the meat out, deboned it, thought I'd keep all those bones and boil them out. And so it split four lots of bones to go through that stag. I was just wounding it.

32:45And it was from that point there that I'm like, I'll never shoot anything else. And I don't have to change like from shooting, you know, goats or deer or small deer to shooting a massive buffalo, I don't change my setup. So the arrow is always at around 550 grains. The broadeds are the same. I can re -sharp them. So you talk about these long trips and trying to save weight. I don't carry spare broadeds or anything because those broadeds, like they're passed through an animal. They'll hit a rock on the other side. You pick it up, you file it off, then you get it raised the sharp, so it'll shave in hairs again and away you go.

33:24That's why I like the setup. But every now and then I'll have limited blood trail. I'm like shit, I should be shooting a big expandable broaded, but I don't want to change. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. It's that six and one half a dozen and it's like, that's like nearly American hunting culture and the two blade fixed broadeds like Australian hunting culture. That's why I asked because everybody over there uses those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got, we're getting that way. There's a lot of people shooting those broadeds now, but like you guys had release aids and sites like 10 years before Australia would go to it.

33:56And if you shot sites in a release aid, you're a fucking pussy. Like in a sh - Oh, shit. You're a pussy? You're a pussy? You're a shit thing? Exactly. And then I was hunting with an old friend of mine, John. And he had a release aid. And I'm like, what's the big deal about those release aids, dude? And he's like, oh, have a shot of my bow. And like, we're just sitting around camp. You were shooting fingers. Shooting fingers. Like, always shooting fingers. With a compound? With a compound, yeah. And open sites. Like, that's all anyone done. Just instinctive. Tim Barrow is, dude. Who's insane. Like you had to spine test and check all your arrows and like twist broadeds to get them right and glue them on and stuff like that and He was one of the first sort of technical what we'd call the technical bowler in Australia that I knew and I remember him shooting and it was just like seriously like golf ball size at 20 30 yards like every time like how the fuck Can you do that because you know our arrows sort of had a spread of at least the tennis ball or slightly bigger?

34:53You know, and then I shot with his release eight like four or five times and I'm just like holy shit What am I doing right? It's just like pinpoint pinpoint pinpoint, you know Just a minimal amount of movement on the back end a hundred percent and the same release every single time And it's like I'm so fascinating about archery It's just one little tiny movement one way or the other as it translates 80 yards ahead. Yeah, foot and a half hundred percent Yeah, it's just so nuts and it comes down the so much the bow tune your side but you'll release the arrow, how straight the broad it is. It's just, there's so much to it.

35:28What release you shooting these days? So now I'm shooting a spot hog. I'm not a techie guy, so I don't even know the name. And the camhains one? Yeah, like a camhains one. The whipper snap? Oh, no, the wise guy. The wise guy, that's the. Yeah, the purple one. Yeah, that's a good one. I had a hunt in New Zealand and I had a release I had that I'd been shooting for 10 or 12 years. Jam up on me on a big red stag. I call this big red stagging and like pulled the trigger and it didn't go off. And then because I pulled the trigger and it didn't go off, I looked down like what the hell's going on. And then it went off and it shot between this red stag's antlers like I'm lucky I didn't heat him and wound him.

36:06And that like I ain't need to fail me once and I'm like I'm not doing that again. It's a grit knit or something. They actually changed the metal material that they were using. Yeah, yeah, they changed it and I've had two cents and they're both done the same thing they get jammed up and like Like you see them out of hunting. I've done them going through water I'm going through dirt and grit. I'm going through crap and it's just like it like probably locked up where it's holding on the 80 pounds of out Let him go And then so I mucked around up at my farm like I can shoot out to like what however decent you like I come up at the farm and then I was trying to get it to go off and I still couldn't get it to go off.

36:50And then so that's why I changed because that wise guy's got very limited moving parts in it. Yeah. It's the most simple release. It is, yeah. So I bought three because I, now I keep one in the backpack so I've just like cryovacted so no crap can get in the backpack and it's just in the backpacks here and they're waiting as a spare. Also, if you just breathe on that thing, it goes on. Oh yeah, it's sweet as. It's so hot. Yeah, I love it and it's either load or it's not. Yeah, so yeah, I really like that. It's very simple I like the belt buckle low better than the bower. Yeah, so I've got the bower one and I don't like that You don't know that it's in the same position each time right whereas the belt buckle.

37:30I've got a mark on mine You know, we talk about the littlest things help Yeah, so I've actually got a mark on mine So I know what one to do it up to each time and yeah, it's it's sweet The only thing that people don't like about the Wise Guy is that it's so hot that you can't get a surprise release because you're essentially, if you touch it, it's going off. Yeah, yeah, but I've always shot like that and I don't want to change. Like, let's just say a deer bust out of the brush and runs past me. You got to be able to just go out. I want to be able to punch it, what you call punch it. It's like I'm on bank, you know, whether you're leading it by a foot or whether it's going slower and a couple of inches, you're leading it by whatever.

38:08I've always liked shooting that. I've been thinking a lot about that. You know, because I've talked to Joel Turner and he brings you through, you know, the whole shot IQ process, I think you can shoot a release and make it go off, but you make it go off while you're in control of all your faculties and you're not panicking and you have a shot process. I mean, if I have a hinge and I pull it back from people that don't know what a hinge is, a hinge is a release that you don't have a trigger. You just rotate the release and eventually it goes off. Well, sort of, because it gets to a click and the click is saying, hey, we're real close.

38:50It goes click, it gives you an audible click. And what that is is to let you know that this release is about to go off and all you do is pull and it goes off. How is that any different than keeping your shit together and putting a finger on? What I think it is is a lot of these people, first of all, in the target archery world, that's a different world. Like you're standing still, there's all these people watching you, you have a target, it's a bullseye, it's a circle and another circle is an X in the center. And all you're trying to do is make this is absolutely perfect shot into the X and you have all this time to set up and relax and that's not the same thing as bow hunting.

39:34Bow hunting is a very different thing and I think the anticipation of the moment and the extreme anxiety that comes with the animal being, it's really about managing that anxiety. It's not about whether or not you can make a trigger go off because you can make a trigger go off and still have perfect form and shoot a perfect shot. Rami does it, Cam does it, you do it. I just think it's experience. I think, because there's some people that are really good on paper, but they're not good hunting. Right. And the big part of that is that I try not to think about it, because I don't have a shot process.

40:06And, but you also shoot animals more than almost anybody alive. Yeah, so I think I don't need a shot process, and I don't like to think about it, because that's when I think I'll fuck up. But right now I'm just doing, I'm doing, that's it. Right, you're doing it worse. It's the simple as that, yeah. And that's why I don't want to change Eva. Right. Because I do see heaves of people going to back tension and stuff like that. And I tried one years ago and I missed an animal straight away, so I'm just like, yeah, fuck that. It's done. Yeah. So it's one of those things where they say you have to get worse before you get better.

40:36Yeah. So you do that? I don't want to get worse before I just want to do it. I practice with a hinge. I've hunted with a hinge, but this year I hunted with a thumb button and I just had it set pretty hot. And I executed a perfect shot. But I went through a thought, I have a process in my head. And I'd also had the luxury of having one elk on, it was just a couple of weeks before that, where I shot a nice elk, and also I shot a pig a few weeks before that. So, no monkey on your back. Right, you have experience. And I think a lot of people drawing on an elk in September is the first animal that you shot.

41:12How did I do it? At least to you. I seriously don't know how I do it. I think that's where target panic comes from. Because it comes from the uniqueness and the novelty of the experience. You're overwhelmed like this is dumb moment. You've been preparing for it. Instead of like, oh, I've been here before. You know, if you ever see Remi shoot an animal, it's like he's been there so many times. He's just rock solid. He puts the pin on it and hits the trigger and it's a perfect shot. And he knows what he's doing. I also shoot two blade. A guy said to me, he's like, oh, only one percent of over the counter, Hunters are successful.

41:47And I'm like, yeah, but they probably get the hunt three days in the season. Right. He's like, I'm often at even practice. Yeah, I'm like, I just did 10 years of hunting in a month, you know? So, and it's just like, and I came from a hunting rich environment. Right. Like, I just come back from the Northern Territory Australia and like, I had, like, loaded up big time. and I'm just like, so all that pressure's off, but then when an elk bugled, I went the shit's deal because I'm just like, there's so much, not pressure, but it's just like, I wasn't saying anything, so it's like, this is your one opportunity.

42:21You're about the fuck it, you know? And it's just like, so there's all that pressure, so I don't know how American hunters do it. Let's say they're coming off the back end of the other one. That's the one percent. Yeah. That's the one percent. I've thought about this a lot because I'm very attracted to things that are very difficult to do. And I'm always trying to figure out why they're difficult like why are certain things difficult and a lot of it boils down to psychology A lot of it boils down to the way your mind processes that moment and there's something about Bo hunting that is so unique in that Every situation is different you can have similar situations.

42:57Oh, this is in a meadow. It's 60 yards I've been here before I know what to do It's a minimal amount of wind and I don't have to wear a wind drift. I can handle this. But then there's, you know, like cam shot this elk at two yards this year and he was crouched down on a trail. He came to full draw. He expected the animal to go like past him where he got a broadside shot. It's like right in front of him. So now he has to figure out what pin to use because you know the arrow comes out. He's shooting at two yards with a 50 made of pin. You have to do it. That's what you have to use, yeah, you have to use a 50 meter pin.

43:34That's literally what you have to use because the arrow's not coming. It doesn't hit its apex for quite a while. So when it comes off the bow, it's coming off low. So if you shoot a 20 yard pin on an animal that's two yards away, you're gonna hit it crazy low. Yeah, yeah, no, it's isn't it. Yeah, it's like I love that idea that there's no two the same. Yeah, like there's really there's no two animals the same. There's no two situations the same. They might be similar like you just said like same yardage in that. There's no two that react the same and it's just I think that's a big part of the appeal in hunting.

44:06Yeah. You know, is a part of that, you know? Yeah, you are, you're essentially every time you're doing it, you're getting an education. Yeah. And that's why I got a cam or got it yourself or Remi is so successful because you have so much education, whereas for a new person, the learning curve is so big. So when they say that one percent are successful, I'm surprised it's even one. Yeah, out of a hundred guys how many of them prepare properly? Yeah, how many of them are out there really I definitely know there's more hardcore guys out there now than ever before ever before because you Like some of those places are 14 20 miles into the back country And you see I I used to seem to just get to five or six miles in the back country and I wouldn't see anyone right Unless our on horses or something like that you wouldn't see anyone this trip I was further into the backcountry than ever before and I've seen 10 times as many hunters as ever before.

44:59So maybe we should stop talking about that country. It's too late. I know. I'm a fantastic fit. And fit dudes. Yeah. Like carrying in proper camps dude. Yeah. There was one morning I got up. I just had this massive snow storm like two days before and like this is going to kick the elk off. This is going to be sick. And I'm way back there. There's no human footprints or anything like that. no friggin' elk footprints either at that point. And by the time you get back to camp, you're in bed pretty early, like two hours after darks, all the thing. And I'll say the word again, you're rooted. So you put your head down, you're fucking fast asleep, two seconds flat.

45:38And I get up in the morning and it's dark still and I climb out of my tent. And there's this light colored blob, like just a cross from it. I'm like, what is that? And then I like I start walking closer to it and it's a dude set up a tent like right near me like 50 or 100 yards from me So he hiked in in the pitch black of night dude and set up his tent there And then so I went back in the tent and I'm like shit like I've like I've got company like this is it's competition back then You know there's no elk around so last thing I need is another hunter like pushing in on me Did he know you were there?

46:15I don't know if he walked in in dark on the dark I wouldn't think so but the other thing was it was blow on a gale and it's like one of the only flats And it's sort of like on a little saddle on the mountain So it's probably about a piece of yeah, yeah, and probably slightly out of the wind there compared the where he'd walk from was you cool Well, I don't know I didn't hang around the talk to him. You know like you're in the zone right and that zone's wild So the last thing that you want to see is someone from civilization right but it's actually you know you might run into someone like yourself, okay?

46:47Yeah, but they fucking noticed me and then they tell their friends and they think I'm in a bomb spot. So then all their mates hang up, come in as well, you know. So he's trying to keep a low profile back there. And yeah, so then I just made me coffee really quickly and I was like, I'll go and sit on that. There's like a rock that I wanted to sit on. It's a perfect glassing point. That's why I camped in that spot. And then so I made my coffee and looked up and he's walking up to the rock and this dude goes and sits on the rock that I wanted the glass from. So then I just high -tailed it like in a completely different direction.

47:18You know, and it's like, hey, well, both they're not looking at elk. They'll stuff all back there. But those sort of guys, they're out there now. Yeah. When did that change? When me, you and Kim and the other one started talking about fucking back country hunting. What is that like? I don't know. Probably. Was it COVID, dude? Never -one started realizing like, fuck, I better start looking at that defendant for myself. Yes, I think defending for yourself and being able to gather food, that's a big deal. Yeah, I know during COVID, I just got swamped with messages. Like how do I start in bow hunting?

47:59Like how do I get a start in it? Like I wanna go and, because like that, like it's one of the most amazing things there is that I think people are missing out on is going and harvesting your own meat. Yeah. And I say it all the time, it's like, I hate being labeled as a hunter. like I'm just, we're just human. And like I really do think hunting's a big part of being a human. I don't think everyone can do it. You know, and I don't want everyone to do it because look what I'm having a bitch about right now. Like you get to a trailhead, there's 30 other cars at the trailhead, and it's like rough hard country, and there's 30 other cars there.

48:32Most of those cars have multiple people in them. So there's that many people, you know, sort of walking around in the wilderness. Just gotta go deeper. You do. I just, I, or find spots that they don't know about, but that's the thing about you coming over from Australia. That's not really an option. That's not, yeah. There's a lot of guys that spend so much time scouting. And so much time, e -scouting, like they're looking on. I'd be better next year if that makes sense, because I already done so much land and walk in this year that it's sort of, oh, there's no sign there, there's no sign there, there's no sign.

49:05Even older sign, you know, like I've constantly taken note of like the trees that have been nibbled out by the elk in the winter. So they went to there or where there's a shedding antler, you know, you sort of taken all that sort of thing in and oh, there was heaps of hunters there So stay away from that. Oh, there was bugger all hunters there. So As long as I get the follow it up next year, I think I'm better off. Right. So next year you'll try to do the same sort of situation Yeah, but it's that whole I'm trying to make it harder. I don't want to go backwards So like I'm so you'd rather have less information and make it harder sort of because you want to learn on this part.

49:39Yeah Yeah, yeah. Just like punishment. You're a good thing for punishment. The big thing I want to do next year is walk from the very start of the season to the end of the season. So just walk one way. And it's hard to find a mountain range that you can do that. Because if there's no elk, you keep traveling. You know, and you run out of country basically. So like this year, I did just short of 500 miles. But if there was game, I might have only did 100 miles. Or 10. Or 10, yeah, but because there was no game, like literally like no prints on the ground that is like there's no use staying here, pack up, camp, move.

50:16And then I end up walking so far that I walked out to a highway at the end of the unit and called a friend and it's like, hey is there anyone that can pick me up because my truck is like seven days walk away. And then so yeah, he's dad knocked off work and like absolute legends. That's pretty cool. He's dad knocked off work drove like three hours to where I walked out pick me up and then drop me back to my vehicle Well, that's a nice guy. You know that dude. Yeah, I do I that dude I'll take your buffalo hunt. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I'll do well. Don't do that. You might get him eaten by crocodile

50:59Shit they're bad too at the moment. Are they bad enough? Yeah, they just seem to be more regularly everywhere Yeah, are you glad to hunt them there? or they protect it. I think you can get a permit. Isn't that funny? You get a shoot deer out of a helicopter, but these fucking monsters tell me about it. Tell me about it. What the fuck? Yeah, so about, it was about 12 years ago now. We went into the community, so like an Aboriginal community, and they had had kids taken, right? And that's their only water source, and they had kids taken out of that water source. Pretty sad. That just drives me crazy.

51:34That's right. I just don't understand that killed all fucking things. So I'm not saying kill all of them. Yeah, they kill everyone is around people management Right Jim Shockey was on the podcast while back and he was telling a story about how they had actually hired him to go to Africa To hunt crocodiles because there was so many crocodiles They were taking people in this village and they would set up stakes in the water so that the crocodiles couldn't go through the stakes Yeah, but they figured a way around the stakes and this woman while he was there was washing clothes and she got jacked.

52:05Wow. Yeah, he said everyone there was like missing a hand, by taking out of your leg. He said it was just an epidemic. And that's like the everyday life. It's not business. These are big, big, 18 foot, 19 foot crops. Just chaired enough and everyone's food. Yeah. Just giant African crocodiles, which are just the most terrifying animal in the world to me. Yeah. Because they could lay there underwater and you don't even know who they are. And they jump up and get you. Yeah. And they're so fast. Did you ever see the video that I've done in Northern Territory and? Is it online? It's online. How would Jamie find it?

52:40Oh, I think I pinned it to my Instagram And I sort of talk people through it like after obviously I'm not talking when I'm walking up there So I'm going up there and there's like all these like little water holes as it's drying up and there's all these pigs laying on like two or three water holes that way and no pigs laying on a water hole this way. So I'm like, oh, that's a bit suss already. And then I just seen it too. I can just see its eyes above the water and the back of its tail. Oh, this is it. So there's a small water hole. Yeah. Jav's out there in the bank, you can see a big salt water crocodile.

53:15You can see his snout in his eyes, closest to the bank and then you can see like the ridge of the front of his tail. Oh, God. water. Actually watched him come from the center of that billabong there right the edge when he noticed the line that I was taking to the edge of the bottom. Watch this thing sink away. Yeah you can see he's probably hunting me here you'll see his eyes and snout just disappear under that dirty water. Look how slow he drops away and he's doing that to try to get you and you're walking close to this mother's mother. Look at his tail prime see the water. Yeah. Yeah. So he's ready to go.

53:53How far away are you from here? Ah. 10 meters maybe? Why? Oh my god, look at it. It's getting ready. Look at its tail. I know they called it something. But they should be called normal water. They live in all water. Yeah, and I just threw that stick at him. I'm showing this thing outside. I know you're there and a little bit of a fuck you too. Jesus Christ those things are terrifying. I'm grabbing you and dragging you into that water and then twisting and tearing your limbs off. Oh, I wear.

54:27Oh, bro. You could take him, Joe. You could take him. Oh, that. I would take him from a distance with a 300 windman. Oh, they're so prehistoric, I'm fucked. Oh, so that, that crox probably never seen a person before. Probably. And there's nothing else getting around there that's walking up right like a human. But I was still food. I'll still on the menu everything on the menu completely on the menu Whereas if you see a lot of other animals in nature that have never seen a person You know the menu. Well, no, you're so foreign that they just want to get the fuck out of there Right, and he could have sunk down and turned around and sunk in that water I would never know that it was there, but instead he's like fuck food sweet To have a crack, you know Yeah, so but that seems more common at the moment I don't know why if the population's getting too high, but you used to get around and see like a soldier to every now and then the saltwater crocodile every now and then and But nearly like hard to find you know certain river systems not but like tucked away water like that Whereas now it's just like every fucking waterhole got a crock in it.

55:33So we just bought a property up in the Northern Territory of Australia and it's got a beautiful big lagoon on it and and Kim is like, oh, fuck, that's gonna be sweet for swimming. I'm like, that's the wrong state of Australia. You know, because the top of all the top of Western Australia and all of Northern Territory and the top of Queensland, that's where the Crocs are. Saltwater crocodiles are in that district. And they're deep inland. Yeah, they can be. Yeah, so and this property that we have purchased is inland as well. But they get pushed in there like, the Northern Territory will have a big wet season, water will rise like over the top of the land and everything like that water will rise and those big soldies can move into a little water hole where they've never been before so you might have a property in being like no this water is sweet and then the next year there's a big salty in there and they can go for a year without eating that'd be freaking desperate if they did like you're definitely on the menu if they do that but I mean that's just an extraordinary animal yeah I mean evolution just has honed those motherfuckers to a razor's edge Oh yeah, I think I told you about the story where like I shoot a big ball pig and like the ares zips through it and it just dropped over on the river bank and I walked over there with another arrow just to see if I had to follow it up and so I walked up and like I'm like a meter above it anyway I was just just on the side of the water like not in the water just on the side of the water and it was just like in the final stages of its life and I looked down and put the second arrow away like it doesn't need another arrow it's sweet and I looked down and put the second arrow away and just heard the water erupt.

57:09There's big salt water crocodile come out, grabbed it. I could still see it in slow mo. Grab this pig, like, through it over in the water, and then started swimming away of it. And actually took, and it was a big ball pig, actually took it under water for like 30, 40 yards, and then come back up with it. And then another big salty was trying to get it off that salt water crocodile. Now that pig was already dead. I would have just jumped straight down the back, the bank, and I would have been right in the line of fire. You know, it's like, that's how quick it happens, dude. You know, it's just like they're just sitting there waiting.

57:45I had another trip. I love these crocodile stories because I'm so in hate them. They make my skin crawl. Me and Kimmy did like 120 kilometers across like inland, Northern Territory. And it was funny because Yeah, when you're into the idea like back at home you got all the different things going on wherever it's bills kids You know just a thousand things going on work and stuff like that and Can we really enjoyed that trip because all you had to worry about every day was water? Food where you're gonna camp But we've water comes fucking crocodiles because you have to go down and collect the water like we're walking 120 Kilometers you can't carry enough water for 120 kilometers You literally feel it and it's stinking hot.

58:31So you're filling your water bottle up multiple times a day and I'm like you stay back here and And I'll race down watch the bank where I fill the water up at and because you're looking over this water hole I keep them with binoculars glass and that you can't see a crock anywhere like during the day light like you can't see a crock Anywhere and I go down and then and I'm fast like I don't muck around down there You go down your scoop up the water and it's dirty water. You can't drink it Then you take it back up the bank away from the crocs and you filter it up there from one water bottle to the another So anyway, I raised down there a scoop up the water.

59:05I'm halfway back up the bank like way away from the water though and Kim's like look behind you, you know turn around behind me in big salt water crocodile eyes come up straight behind me Like that's how quick that I went down scooped water got away from there right where I filled up the water Croc eyes come straight up because they had sense to move man. They just they're just on to it They're probably looking at you the whole time, you know, but you just can't see it And then, but at nighttime, you'd shine a torch around, and it's just like red eyes everywhere. So during the day, there's like, you can't see a crock, and then you shine a torch in a water hole at night, and there's just eyes everywhere.

59:38Do you feel safe in a tent? Yeah, because they only come so far at the bank. So this last mission that I did with a couple of friends, we had no choice but to camp within like 20 yards of the bank, but it's a high bank. And the saltwater crocodiles were trying to come up that high bank every night. So we end up running fish and line, you know, like three or four inches off the ground and like tying tin cans and like whatever we could, that would make noise across there just so you'd hear him coming up every night. Yeah. So that's uncomfortable. For some sickening reason I still sleep fine. But that's really uncomfortable, but generally you're a hundred yards up the bank.

1:00:21They won't come that far unless they're really desperate. So I had a buddy tell me that he'd had Crocs travel two 300 yards up a bank and they took his dogs off a chain. Like they actually ripped the dogs off the chain with our locked up. But he was like camp there for weeks and weeks sort of thing. So the Crocs were patented and that sort of thing. And that's what they do. And that's why you don't fill up water at the same place, like twice in a row. Oh, yeah. Do you know anybody that's ever gotten attacked? I know people that have come bloody close. I don't know Don't know of anyone that's been attacked because they're fucking dead No, I Not fucking worse than here bears are walking across the land At least that danger there is at the water.

1:01:10Yeah, it's right at the water So if you go down you need water. Yeah, but yeah, and they could be and the beach are. Oh sure. They can be. And then generally, I'll try and fill up water behind a tree. So there'll be a tree right on the bank and I'll stay behind the tree and try and fill up water. Oh, and then I had a good dodge. Yeah, I had another one. I tagged you in it, but I know you hate that shit. And I'm like, fuck, I'm tagging anyway. And I'm walking around at night with a torch and like walking through like ankle and knee deep water, trying to spot barra mundi. I was trying to debunk the myth of salt water crocodiles and freshwater crocodiles won't live in the same body of water.

1:01:57You know, and that's so that people are like, I have you see freshwater crocodiles, there's no salt water crocodiles. Well, I know that's bullshit. Is it freshwater crocodile smaller? They're smaller, they're not aggressive like that, they can be territorial, they won't eat us for starters. So a freshie might bite you, but he'll let you go whereas a salty will bite you and hold on to you and fucking eat you You know and then so I'm going around this torch and I'm seeing all these freshies Fresh water crocodiles everywhere and then I hear something moving up like there's sort of rapids below me And I hear something moving through the water and I'm like, oh no, that's not a fucking freshie And I turn around and start walking down there and shine the torch and the chair It's a big salty and he's like coming straight up the water towards me and And yeah, so fucking they do live, they do coexist with each other.

1:02:44So if you see a freshie, don't think you're safe and jumping for a swim. There could be a bloody salty in there too. So is that just a lack of people traveling in their area and so they've developed this? I think so. I think probably anyone that lives in the N .T. knows it's a myth. You know, but maybe tourists and that don't. And it's like, their horrible names, right? Saltwater crocodile lives in fresh water as well. Right. But a fresh water crocodile pretty much just lives in fresh water as far as I know. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I bet. There's a place called Car Hills Crossing up in the Northern Territory heading out towards a part of Arnondland.

1:03:24It might be actually the border of Arnondland. And there's so many saltwater crocodiles on that crossing and people come unstuck there all the time because it's tidal, right? So they'll try and drive across there for a car and their car will get washed off and And they got to swim back to the bank of all these crocodiles in the water. So it's pretty sketchy. But I still feel like Australia's safer than hunting bloody Wyoming or Montana because of the Grizzlies. And they're actually on land and can come to your tent anytime they like. Yeah. There's been a lot of discussion about removing them from the endangered list.

1:03:58Yeah. And putting tags on them, which they really should do. Yeah. There's a lot of places where they're overpopulated. I know they're talking about that in Wyoming and there's places in Montana where they're trying to have that discussion But again, you deal with these wildlife activist groups that don't want you doing that and some of those litigations and lawsuits and It's a hard push isn't it because you don't want it the other way where everything's just getting slaughtered Of course, so there has to be a bit of a fight back for it needs to be some sort of middle ground where it's like oh shit This is actually going to be better for the Elk and dear population and people population and probably better for the bears as well, the Grizzly just walk out the black bears.

1:04:37The problem is that these people that are the wildlife activists, they do not like hunting in any way, shape or form, and they don't want to give up any ground. I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, because this is pretty crazy. A friend of mine filmed this in California, a wolf that is near Bakersfield. Oh, well. Yeah, and he doesn't know how it got there and he suspects that someone released it there, but this was You know This is right off of you know mile or two off of Highway five which is just bananas like that this thing was there. No the husky is it. No, it's a fucking wall I'm gonna send you that's jamming love one You go jamming So, this, I'll just send it to you.

1:05:30So this friend of mine filmed this from the side of the road a couple of years ago. And they think that it's very possible that someone, you know, some rogue activist group just decided to start releasing wolves. Oh, I'm sure it's that. Look at that. Multiple of the hulks, smugs. Yeah. So this is in, a lot of beautiful looking animals. Amazing animal. Look at his eyes. This is in Central California. And you could see he's on Catalan, as you know, they're filming it and the wolves are aware of their filming it and you see a cow. Oh, the cast tries it. The cows are, what are you? The cow is no idea.

1:06:09No idea what a wolf is. Never seen one before. And also there's a wolf there. I'm sure that's happened multiple, multiple times. I'm sure. There's a lot of people that think the wolves should be everywhere. And they don't have cattle. And they don't have dogs. They don't live there and they just they're just and they look beautiful So people like you can't shoot and you can't hunt them, you know, it's just like I We've spoken about that a few times where it's like I if it's a pig or something ugly It's like I don't yeah, I'm as much as you like and then it's a beautiful deer and it's like you can't shoot that I know like come on my own agent said that to me She was like you should shoot pigs because they're ugly like that so crazy I got the same feelings towards a pig as a beautiful deer and they're good feelings, you know, and it's like you as a hunter to you understand this as well, that it's not like, you know, nah, shoot it, I wanna kill it, you know, it's not about that at all.

1:06:58No, they're all cool. They are, they are. It's cool. It exists, we're very fortunate that we get to be around them in the wild because it's such a unique moment when you're around an animal that, you know, especially the places that you go, probably never seen a person before. Yeah, yeah, I come across that a fair bit. And it, I actually had an encounter with a dingo while dog in Australia that had never seen people before. and he actually arced up at me, like, was like bark and flat out at me. And I didn't know what I was, and then I pretended to be prey. So I turned and started running the way to see what he'd do.

1:07:33And he come flying down the bank and like, was like, coming at me. And then he hit my scent, and then it was a completely different story. As soon as he smelt human, he knew it was danger, and he spun around and bolted. And he actually, there was a little water hole there that he just walked out of, like there was wet prints coming out of the water hole in the Harveaten Wallaby. And they were on a kill and rampage there, these dingos, and up finding three wallabies, one dead that hadn't even been eaten, it'd just been killed. That one that I was just talking about, that at half eaten, that at half eaten, the another one in the creek, and that also killed a wild cattle calf, and we're eating that as well.

1:08:13All in this one area, they were just cut and sick. How many dingos do they travel with, like in a pack? It depends. The first dog that I seen, he was a male and he was by himself and he might be just like a traveling male. But then I've seen packs of 16 to 20 before. Wow. Yeah. They could do some damage. They could do some damage. They generally always run the other way. And that's why that was a weird encounter. Like me and Kim were both walking down the bank in the distri -river and he both will in -plane view and just stood 40's grand on the top of the bank on the other side just going off at us.

1:08:48How big are they? The size of, like a cattle dog, bigger than a cattle dog. So 40 pounds? Yeah, 40 pounds or so. Those dingos right there? Yeah, they're dingos. So people keep them as pets? These will be in a zoo. Those are in a zoo? Yeah, they'll be some sort of fancy zoo. They look just like a dog. Yeah. That's what's crazy. Good for the animal. Oh, look at them go. They don't seem like if I saw that I'd be like oh someone left the dog out here. Oh, yeah I've seen one in Arnhland about three years ago that looked like it was cross with like a Tasmanian tiger Really? Yeah, it was had this cool back -end like we've faked stripes on it in a tail And then it was like and then my buddy Isaac Butterfield you met him when I was here last month the big talk of median dude Yeah we were talking about doing and like basically a search mission for them throughout Australia doing a series on it, which I think would be really cool because they haven't been extinct for that long.

1:09:51And there's a lot of remote country in Australia that there's still definitely a possibility that they're out there somewhere. There's a lot of sightings. Yeah, and I do think that that one with the stripes is that possible? That they could be a hybrid? I really don't know. I didn't say too much about it at the time, so I probably shouldn't have fucking mentioned it on J .R .E. Why? Why would you want to keep that a secret? because I didn't know and I don't, if it is out there, I really don't want the place getting stampeded with people looking for it. Well, you know, people have been looking for them for quite a while because there are so many sightings of them of the thylacines.

1:10:23You know, I mean, there's a lot of people that go looking for them. There's a lot of people that absolutely believe that they still exist. Yeah, I've, there was a Willem DeFoe movie a few years back. Yes. The Hunter. Yeah, it was about a guy trying to kill the last thylacine. Yeah, I set up a lot of trail cameras and and like I haven't seen anything on trail camera like that But then I've never seen a wild dog on trail camera and there's plenty of wild dogs in Australia And then I did another series of Isaac Butterfield looking for the black pan for an Australia because they come over It's like mascots on the US ships and then when I think when they were told to like put them down as in like Don't bring them back They didn't want to put them down like these these soldiers had these animals near them every day that they kicked them off on the mainland of Australia And then so we did this black pamphor one and I set up a couple of trail cameras and obviously we never got any photos of a black pamphor and Then you know eyes acts like do you think they're real then?

1:11:23I'm like well there's koalas here There's deer species here in the mountains. There's wild dogs in the mountains. There's possums in the mountains There's all these things that definitely exist right there and there's no photos of them. Right. So it's like everyone happens to get on cameras out there. It really doesn't prove that there's no Tasmanian tiger. No, there's so much land. There's only so many cameras. You'd have to get so forward to them. Oh, 100%. Yeah. But that's the argument the big foot people use to them. They think big foot knows what the camera is. Those people are lost. I'm sure there's been other species that we haven't discovered that are extinct or maybe not extinct.

1:12:05So they're still in hope for something like that. Well, especially when you get to places like some of these intense, dense jungle rainforests or how much of that's been explored. Yeah. I remember watching a documentary about a man who spent his entire career looking for the giant sloth in the Amazon because it used to exist and there's been a bunch of indigenous people that have told stories about encountering these giant sloths. So this guy was absolutely convinced that these sloths were there and he was kind of banking his career on and it wasn't working out and you can see the desperation in him.

1:12:42He was just realizing like what have I done with my life? I might be looking for something that actually doesn't exist. You know these people who tell him stories about is like this guy could be bullshitting me because I'm some fucking white door. Yeah, you know, the Pacific North or West or wherever the fuck is from. Yeah, looking in the Amazon for a really interesting Aboriginal paintings that there's so many the same that you like it was that a creature that existed that we haven't found the bounds the bones for that you know or that's still roaming that we haven't seen, you know? Like what?

1:13:17I don't know, they're real weird like tall animals and yeah, it's just like why did they paint that over and you know, there's like, there's 700 dialects of the Aboriginal language. So there's a lot of different mobs of Aboriginal people, you know, so it's like, but why did they paint that there and they painted the same painting there and maybe they never even got along with each other or communicated for them both to the same drawing, you know. And then I watched that Graham Hancock documentary, which was friggin' brilliant to watch. And I started actually thinking because they're starting to really date back some extreme Aboriginal civilizations now in Australia that I don't know if Graham's ever been to Australia to see and witness it and study it.

1:14:07but love for him to come out at some point. But there's every chance that those animals existed, you know, but we just haven't found them yet. And I was talking to Jamie when I first got here about that bone yard in Alaska where they're digging all of it. And it's just like, what's next? And they keep finding stuff that just seems to date back, date back, date back. We've seen these ancient bones that have saw marks on them. Yeah, you haven't seen that yet? Not oh my god very clear markings like it sounds like it Least sawed through where it seems like there was a mass extinction event that happened and its document look at that Holy smokes yeah, not just one sounds like they sound like they want to know not necessarily No, because they found things that are there that they did like these found multiples of these and this is very recent now here's what's crazy the saw supposedly was only invented five thousand years ago oh well and a lot of these things he's dating their way older than five thousand hundred and fifteen hundred someone was hunting and hunting thick yeah not only that but someone who had access to a saw and they were getting the marrow out of these mammoth bones which is nuts man that's in his carvings on them they found short face bear skulls they found the those skulls of cats that that weren't even supposed to be in Alaska.

1:15:33He's found a bunch of species that weren't even supposed to be existed there. Oh, man, John Reeves is the fucking man. And his place that he's got there is insane. It's absolutely insane. It's so filled with animals and a very thick carbon layer. Look at these bison has there. Did you see the one that we have out front? Yeah, I did, Jail, studying. Yeah, I have to find a university that I can send that to and get it carbon -data. Oh, yeah, cool. Also, but you don't know exact dates of any of the stuff. He has some and he just sent some of those bones that have been sawed. He sent some of those to be carbon dated.

1:16:09Yeah. So he's going to find out within the next few months. This is going to be really interesting. Fascinating because if they're older than 5 ,000 years ago, okay, now we have historical evidence that predates the invention of the saw because whatever those things are cut with, that's a saw. I mean, it's a smooth, clean cut and it looks like human beings did it to try to get access to the Mara. Mara, yeah. It sounds like the original butcher shop. Yeah, well, the area that he's at though, because of the thick carbon layer, what he thinks when he's listened to Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock discuss the younger driest impact theory, he thinks he's in an area that got hit.

1:16:49Right. And that these things died off instantly that there was, you know, a large area where they they existed in and he's finding hundreds and hundreds of these animals in a small area. The area is only like six acres. Wow. Which is smaller than that even. Well one of them is six acres and the one that he's currently digging at is four acres. So there's multiple areas where they do is they're blasting water into the permafrost. So they have like a cliff side and they're blasting water into this permafrost and they'll see a woolly mammoth tusk. And if you've ever seen the documentation that he has on his Instagram, he's got warehouses filled with mammoth bones and they skeleton must be one of the most exciting people there is.

1:17:36He's so fucking cool. Can you imagine just like blasting a wall and be like, what's that come and see? Yeah, well he's so fucking cool. But the other thing that he's documented is that the Museum of Natural History in Manhattan dumped these bones in the East River. So they had these guys go out and he announced it on the podcast He told everybody where it would be and these guys went out there and they find mammoth bones They found mammoth bones in the East River. You know, they found these 15 ,000 20 ,000 year old bones that are at the bottom of the East River That were dumped there by the museum How long ago the 20s the 30s?

1:18:10Far out. Yeah far out. So that's one that they just found so they found that in the East River He's gonna gift it to me. Yay Oh, you're gonna enough gifts in here. That's okay. We dope to have that one. We dope to have that one. Because the reason why those guys were there is because he announced it on the podcast. And so they have it zipped out because it's cracked. Yeah, it's a fall apart. But that thing is at the bottom of the fucking East River, which is just absolutely amazing. But John, because he's a gold miner. And so his land that he has up there is originally for gold mining. But along the way, he's found a fucking fortune.

1:18:48in mammoth bones and it's such an extraordinary area. So okay, this gets more interesting. Here's a picture of one of the straight cut bones, still frozen beef, ice wedge and the frozen muck, about 50 to 60 feet below the surface. So who knows how many thousands of years of ground is covering those things? And because it's permafrost, they're able to get these things out completely preserved. So. That's amazing. So interesting. And just the fact that this is a very small area that he's finding these things in. I'm walking around all the time like looking for, I've never found anything like that.

1:19:27I'm just constantly looking for something like that that's undiscovered, you know. It's like, we've got going out of my way. Like I'm just doing what I'm hunting. Did the aborigines, did they use bone or rock for arrowheads? Do they have that? So they didn't need bows and arrows, so they never discovered. They didn't have a need for it because they were so efficient with spears, boomerangs. So boomerangs were basically for hunting flocks of birds. So big flocks of birds would take off. So very situated for Australian conditions. Big flocks of birds, boomerangs, spears were you know, your wallabies, kangaroos, things like that.

1:20:05I believe a lot of the spears were just a hardened timberhead. So like over a fire and hardened up. Yeah, I'd have to look into it more. I don't want to say the wrong thing, but I'm sure there was cases where they did use stones. We're going to come right back. So I got to take a leak. But we're back. Sweet. And we're back. We're back. One of the things we were talking about last time you were here was that when you explained that there's 700 different languages that these aborigines have and that a mob, that's could be just 10 kilometers away from another mob. Yes, so one community to the next.

1:20:47They don't know what the other people are saying. Yeah, they wouldn't know their language. Which is crazy. It is crazy. Yeah, and then like imagine that many different countries inside of America. Right. Like, there'd be so much conflict. So a lot of these communities had conflict with one another and then certain amounts of them were actually pushed off the land and as it become farmland or whatever it might have been, and have now been pushed into communities where there's all these other separate countries, essentially, dialects that have got to now coexist. And like they've been at war with one another since the dawn of their time, you know?

1:21:26So it's like pretty full on when you think about it like that. And then the other thing that's really hard is, how do they teach that in schools where there's 700 different dialects. Are these, and they're not documented, these dialects? A lot of them are. A lot of them are dying out with the people, unfortunately. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's a shame. This thing that you were saying about these cave paintings that show these animals, can you, can we find those? You probably could, yeah. I'm sure there's something documented on the net, more than me just saying they look similar. I'm sure there's something like that.

1:22:02But, like, whether they're a spiritual person or animal or being is hard to say, but, you know, you hear stories about the hairy people and things like that. Like, that ain't people, eh? Yeah, what is that? Australian, yeah. It's really skinny Darth Vader. We put the Western word on it. What is it? Yawe? Yawe. like your big foot. Oh, so did they, whoa, what is that image? That's the yawi. So this is like the bloody devil ate something that, so these, and there's more, wow, there's more than one of these. Huh. This thing that they, what are they showing? Yeah, look at the similarity in them. Wow.

1:22:59Isn't that cool? And what are those things to the left of it? Like what is that thing? I don't know. Like what are all those things? It looks like a giant ball floating with a string attached to it. But there's so many, scroll back down again, Jamie. There's so many similar images of these long armed creatures with four fingers. Whoa. It's not amazing, I'm. Do they know how all these paintings are? I'm sure they do know some of them. But there's, so there's like, there's artifacts going back 70 ,000 years now. Whoa. I think it's six toes. Look what that is. Yeah, where is that thing? So, and there was like big, big like events in the last 10 ,000 years as in like media strikes and things like that.

1:23:54So it's quite interesting, isn't it? Yeah, there was a big one that's detailed off the coast of Australia around 5 ,000 years ago. Look at these things. How weird. Look at their heads. Aliens, Joe. Yeah, right? Yeah, so like, yeah. I think there's even some paintings of like, like spaceships. Really? Or what you would consider as spaceships. Wow. Now, did the our originaries, do they have a history of the use of psychedelics? Other psychedelics drugs? Take it there. Well, I guess because there was a lot of bush medicine that they used. So, whatever the side effects could have been of that. Look at those five things.

1:24:43Look at many, there is. Bush medicine, like when does that mean? Like just natural herbs, you know, natural things that, you know, might be the sap of a tree, it might be leaves boiled up, it might be some sort of nut. I was trying to rock aren't maybe the oldest in the world. Wow. Does it actually say how old? Look how? 60 ,000 years. Fucking 60 ,000 years ago and they looked like aliens. I mean, those look incredible. Giant black eyes, huge heads, that looks exactly like the classic gray alien. Some paintings might also mean something else. Like I know we're looking at those as faces, but so one of my companies logos is it's a bunch of dots and the words Nalia, which is in the Nullama language, which is like the community that I'm there.

1:25:42In the Nullama language, it means like people come together to create a community. And then so those drawings that we just looked at could also be similar to that, like there's two communities that are coming together. The line in the middle might mean this is their land, which could be a ridge line, you know, so your land's air, our lands here. And then the circle the whole circle around it could actually mean the world or community everything together. So even though it looks like a face it could actually mean something a lot different. Right. And that's one of the difficulties in Australia with teaching the traditional people's past is there's so much to it.

1:26:22There's so much that's not understood from one community to the other so it does make it very difficult. But it's sad that it is getting lost. Well when you're dealing with 700 different languages and people that have lived in this area for 60 plus thousand years and that is crazy. I mean how much work is being done to document all this stuff? I don't really know. There are a lot of these communities are very remote so I don't know how much help there actually is for them. I don't know how many people can go to a place like that, two -document it. I don't know how many people actually qualified to document So yeah, it is very difficult.

1:27:04And do they have a written language when it comes to this? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. So there's 700 written languages. I don't know about written language really. Because it's one thing to speak a language because that's what you know. But what reason do they have to write it down? Right. Do they have an alphabet? Like we do or do they share the alphabet? I don't believe so. Whoa. Yeah, I don't know enough to say too much because I don't want to offend these people, you know. Right. And I'm definitely no expert on it. I can only give you, you know, what I do know and what I've heard and learnt myself.

1:27:45But I think a part of the struggle in Australia with Aboriginal culture is that it's not a written language. So like how can it be passed on to someone else? you're either in the family and you grew up listening to the language and understand it. Right. You know, or you don't. So, or you don't. Yeah. And then we might lose it forever. Yeah. I'm sure when you're talking about 60 ,000 years old and over 700 different dialects. Whoa. That's a fucking dinosaur. Yeah. Wow. Whoa. It's apparently called a yaru or it's a very close representation of a place, COSOR, I think as well, just really. Yeah. Wow.

1:28:25Isn't it fascinating and just hiding tradition? Whoa! I'm just showing what it would have looked like. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Oh, getting a adrenaline rush. Wow. They have drawings of fucking dinosaurs. Amazing, I guess. where I was getting there. I don't know how I could hear. There's a lot of versions of that. I was trying to track that out. A lot of different versions of a place you saw. Oh, just a different one. Yeah, I don't know which was the original or a picture from this, but it's in color and some places and it's being talked about and other different parts of the internet. I'll just leave it.

1:29:04Look at that one that says the ancient history of UFOs. One over here? Yeah, look at that fucking. What is that? That looks like a person or something. Oh, a dozen of them. I hear very similar to what we're looking at. But just you just got a wonder like, were these people tripping balls? Maybe they had a dream time, which sounds like it would have been like their traditional religion. Have you seen these up close? These not those as close as these. Yeah. Yeah. There's a part, there's a place in Western Australia where there's over 70, this is just on a peninsula on the coast. There's over 70 ,000 ,000 rock art pieces just on that part of the coast.

1:29:4870 ,000. And the story is that there was people that lived on the mainland on the coast. This is the Pilber region of Western Australia. And then there was people that lived on the islands. So the Danpia archipelago's 40 odd islands, I think, just off the coast. And there was another community of people that lived on the islands. I think they called them like the boat people or the canoe people or something like that because they traveled from island island and canoes And they looked and talked and acted so much different than the people on the mainland that when these canoe people used to come towards the mainland The people on the mainland would clear out of there Like would leave that's how Freaky these other people were to them is like so fascinating to think about a What does that mean?

1:30:34I don't know what did this people look like? No idea, but the fact that there was over 70 ,000 rock arts on the mainland that says that there was a lot of people on the mainland and they would clear out of there when these canoe people would come. It's insane. Wow. What was canoe people though? I don't know. I wish there was a video. Wish there was something of it. It's like sucks not to go back, but it's cool that we can't go back because it's ancient. Yeah, but it is so interesting that they were so different that these people would be like what the fuck we got to get out of here These things are different than us.

1:31:11Yeah, yeah, like must have must have been so much so far into Oh look they have images of the things in the canoes I'm guessing this is the same thing you're talking this is these could be 50 to 70 thousand years old Wow 50 to 70 that imagine getting a fucking canoe 50 to 70 thousand years ago Oh, I can't wait across the ocean and some hollowed out log. Why? Where's that from? Kimberly Rockard. So what? The Kimberly's Australia. So that's Northern Australia and it shows deer. Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. Because yeah, deer obviously introduced species to Australia. So that is... Well, what was the animals?

1:31:53That was deer -like. That's what's crazy is if they're introduced. What was deer like in Australia if it wasn't them? That is insane that's so cool to look at so are there any deer that are native to Australia? No deer at all no deer at all So what the fuck is that that's if Australia didn't have introduced species It would be the most fucking boring country slide in the universe is it possible that there was something like that 50, 60 ,000 years ago, we just wiped him out or something or a hundred percent asteroid like the fact that no bones have been discovered from it right you really don't know but like we need a John Reeves over there with a hose yeah we do but you don't have a permit for us no we don't yeah so it's like this that digging how would you even find it I don't know and and and had it perished over that time right considering the interior of Australia is all desert right you know So yeah, quite interesting.

1:32:54No, it's an amazing place. And it is amazing that it's one of the few places that doesn't have a native deer species. Yeah, yeah. It's because it's a weed species. Like imagine never seen a kangaroo and seen it for the first time. Right. Like this thing hopping around, like Joey and it's pouch, standing up right. Like what the fuck? What the fuck? And even in an emu, you know, like it's got all the weed species. Yeah. And all the weed species that have got now I appeal to be hunted. And then we've introduced deer and pigs and goats and bloody camels and donkeys and everything else. That's just frived and gone.

1:33:26But kangaroo, you can eat. I've had kangaroo before. You can eat kangaroots very lean, it's delicious. So there's a market for kangaroo in Australia now. Yeah. Yeah, which is like odd that we're eating our bloody emblem, you know? It is odd. Yeah, like imagine that you were a gold needle. Like shit. Yeah. Well, it's certain places, eagles are like pigeons. Like you go to Alaska, eagles are everywhere. And New Zealand's the same. Yeah, and so New Zealand's really got no predators. I think they got like a stout like a little ferret You know, which picks on a lot of ground nesting birds and stuff like that But they don't have you know that there's no bloody bears running around or you know anything like that well The Europeans brought over animals to New Zealand to turn New Zealand into a hunting paradise, right?

1:34:09That was like When was it the 18th? That must have been like a filthy, filthy rich dream. Like let's just turn this whole island into a hunting mackerel. That sounds like a wood of really rich person would do to leave back then. In royalty, yeah. They just had the ability to do like get a boat. Yeah, fit it up a stug. I've seen the images of like the tar getting taken up to, I think it might have been the top amount, cork in like a trolley system on wires, you know? Like they went all out to get them to where they wanted them, you know. So crazy. And it started with bugger all of them and just they've just thrived.

1:34:46Yeah. So New Zealand is doing the same thing in Australia where they just, you know, they're helicopter hull, colon them and, you know, trying to eradicate them. Are they trying to eradicate them? Yeah, which is a shame because New Zealand's got a really good hunting culture as well. Yeah, that's what it's shocking. Yeah, like obviously if numbers get too far out of control, for sure, but trying to eradicate the whole species is just ridiculous. I was telling someone about, I think it might have been just yesterday, about I was actually in New Zealand, I was climbing a mountain, I don't know if I told this story here or not, like I had to like, I had ice spikes on and ice axe to get up there and I shot a bull tar.

1:35:27And as I was up there, I heard something and looked up and could see all this snow and ice flicking up in the air and then I've seen a friggin' tar, like full -drawn cartwheels through the air, fallen off the mountain. I had the grapple to the mountain to make sure it wasn't going to hit me. And this tar fell down the bottom. I ended up getting down the bottom. She was dead already, like she'd splattered on the rocks. But I ended up putting another two out of their miseries that had broken legs. And it's just like you hardly ever see Nate just slip up like that. You know, and it's just but this day the sun come out, melded that top layer of snow, then it come over freezing cold so it was just like slick ice up on the mountain and then so they'll fall on off and quite a few of them in the end so yeah pretty New Zealand's like you know people always ask me like what's the most scariest place to hunt you know and it's like fucking New Zealand that doesn't even have scary animals.

1:36:19Did you break your leg up there and have to get helicopter down or something? I actually fractured my spine. I haven't told that story that's how long it's been it's It's been bloody. Really? Five years since I did a podcast. I think that was year four, four years ago. Yeah, I was on a hunt, like climbed in over a couple of days up the mountain, like started from the bottom, climbed up the top. I was chasing a chamois. You know, chamois? Yeah, I was chasing chamois, which is like regarded as one of the hardest animals to harvest with a bow. And they're not necessarily a hard animal's stalk, they're just hard to get to.

1:36:54But really cool hunt, good, really good eating, great experience. And I think I end up killing a chamion day four and the weather was rolling in right really bad and I actually climbed into a you know pretty horrible spot but I was comforting and doing it because I was always going to get a helicopter out you know like getting animal on the ground process a pack -up camp calling a helicopter and get a helicopter back off the mountain because going down can be pretty risk it's it always feels safer going up then actually coming down with a bunch of weight on your backpack. And I looked at the weather, had a GPS on me, which could tell me the weather and I looked at the weather and it was coming in really bad for like the next four or five days was forecast.

1:37:39So I called the helicopter in a little bit early but they're like, hey there's a gap in the weather we can come and pick you up right now and I'm like, yeah look let's get it done. I was pretty keen to get off the mountain. and I was only like camped on this tiny little spot, like a tiny little flat spot that just sort of fit the tent and like me coming out the front of it and the back of it was just like shit, clef for like 200 yards straight down. Yeah, it was pretty sketchy spot, but the weather was still good, I felt comfortable there. I can hear the helicopter coming in and as the helicopter's coming in, these fucking horrible clouds just start rolling in, like at my height.

1:38:17And I hear the helicopter coming in, but it sounds like it's freaking below me and I've just got me sleeping, not me sleeping bag out me mattress because it's bright orange to flag them down in like the clouds So I've walked onto the far side of the tent and I can just every now and then see these lights flashing and they're like a hundred yards below me flying in the Clowns and I hear this chopper like coming in. I'm like it's gonna It's I thought it was gonna smash straight into the mountain You can see him coming in coming in like I mean, it's like sheer rock straight below me and the helicopters blow me and then they seen that they were about to fly into the rock wall and then they pulled back and then I just heard them leave and I'm like fuck I'm here now for the next four or five days.

1:39:00What sucked was in the panic of them saying yeah we're coming to pick you up now, I packed up and got super wet like packing up in the snow, starting to drizzle out of them clouds. So I was already wet, my sleeping bag was wet, everything was wet from packing up and I'm like shit, I probably should start hiking out And then so I looked at my GPS and it looked at the time like it was a pretty gradual climb all the way down into this creek. Like so there's a glacier up above me and it's been melting for however many years and it's carved out like a bit of a creek. And so it looked safe and then I started climbing down and the first I'd know two hours wasn't too bad like it was pretty gradual like a bit of and slippery stuff.

1:39:47And I had one little leap to do, it was like two and a half meters or a meter down, onto a rock to go out to this next rock. And it was like there was a big glacier pool below me. And it sounds weird, but you calculate and everything as you go. And so it's like, this is the best place to jump down because if I did fall, at least I'm landing in water. And that's just a two second process in your head. And that's happened in an all day. like there's never a point that you can switch off in that country. Like you're constantly on the ball, I've always, that's when you're gonna come unstuck. Anyway, what I didn't realize was the rock that I was jumping down onto had actually quite a bit of a slope to it and it had like clear ice, a layer of clear ice on it.

1:40:31Oh, you gotta remember I've got this chamois in my backpack and friggin' a wet, wet everything because I packed up in the wet so the pack weighs a lot and it weighs a lot anyway like, could she go and back for like 14 days? Man, I hit this rock and my feet come out for more than me that far. I said like it was just like full chest weight on the rock bang. Started sliding off the rock backwards. So I'm on my stomach, sliding backwards, legs going first. And I slide off the back of that rock and I've got a heavy backpack on. So it just pulled me. I just started plumbling it down to this ice cold water and like back neck first, straight into the water.

1:41:08And I just remember hitting the water, it pulled me all the way under, like it was a good enough fall, probably six, seven meters down into it from where the rocks lit off. And it pulled me under, I just remember my breath getting sucked out. I mean, like I mean, like it's crystal clear, like that blue water straight off a glacier. And it ripped me down and then sort of I struggled to come back up and get to the surface. And by the time I got to the surface, it was flying pretty hard, it was pushing me into one of the drainage shoots from it. And then so I hit this drainage shoot, sort of scramble and trying to grab on and then it pulled me down legs first as well, like down into the shoot, in the next lot of water.

1:41:48Then by the time I got to that point, there was no going back up. There was no chance I could go back up because it's dropped me into a spot where I wasn't on the sides of the bank anymore. I was stuck in this glacier, milk. And then I ended up getting out of there and I got to the next point. there was like a big tree like falling down in the water. There's no trees on the site, it's just whatever's been washed down over the years like a big stump and I end up wrapping my hand around that, my arm around that, get to my legs and then like weighed twice as much again because now everything's you know full of water and soaked.

1:42:23I still have the pack on. Yeah, I still got the pack on and then and then I got like got up on the rock then it's just like one rock in all this water and then it's a fucking long story so I'll probably skip a few bits. But I end up like fighting with it for the rest of the day and then I end up falling over another two times One time I actually had to volunteer to jump I had nowhere to go I was just like stuck in this little canyon in the water and I literally had to Come up with the guts to be like jumping to the next water shoot Which is just like a slide cut out of the rocks from the water running down there for fucking millions of years And I've still got my backpack on, I can't leave nothing, because that could be what saves me at the end of the day.

1:43:07I've got a sleep and bag, I've got other clothes in there. I've got meat from the chamois. I had this skin from the chamois. I still had everything in there. And I, like, have you ever done anything where you fucking probably got to convince yourself to do it? Because like I was, I didn't know if I was going to kill me going to the next step or if that was going to save my life. and then so you calculate any all that and then have them to have the guts to actually jump into the next shoot of water and go down Man like fucking I just remember just fucking doing it and I jumped perfect I landed on the backpack I put all the weight on the backpack Sleep into the next bit just like pump with adrenaline right?

1:43:47So I'm not even feeling the cold at this point because adrenaline's just going sick and I end up going down a bit further and then I could just hear this like deafening sound of water And I'm like, fuck me dad, like what next? Cause constantly it's seem to be like, what next, what next, what next? And I hear this deafening sound of water and I get to the fucking edge and it's like three, 400 yards straight down. Oh my God. And it's just like, like then it was like, no, there's no going any further. You're like to go further is definitely deaf. You need to work something out here, you know? And it got to the point, it takes a lot of courage to even be like, I need someone to save me.

1:44:28Like at least for me because I've always, you know, like it's the way that you brought up, the way that I was brought up, because you know, I never had the father figure in my life. I didn't have any of that, so it was always, everything I do I do for myself. That's why I never usually ask people for help. This is the biggest ask for help they're fucking here. And it's pressing the SOS button on the emergency device, You know, and it's like and I sat there for 20 minutes and Still pumped with adrenaline over that time. I fucking like getting adrenaline talking about it now and Then realize and there's fucking definitely no way off here It's time to hit the button like this is where you don't get to see your family again Or you don't get to do any of this again or live life You need to hit the button and just fucking like still hitting the button hurt and you got a hold of the info like 10 or 20 seconds It was fucking the longest 10 seconds of my life and And like at this point I've taken the backpack off, I took a jacket off because it was just so fucking heavy and wet and it's sitting there.

1:45:30And I'm holding the button in for like 10 seconds and it's like then it's like SOS, you know, and it's like oh shit. And then, but there's no reply, I told her anything like that at that point. It sort of just says the signal successful as in scent and that's about it and it's getting late. and I'm like I need to set up some sort of camp. I need to go from my pack, see what I can use, like what's gonna work out here. And I pulled me pack out and then like I've only got a spot that's like the size of one body laying down to even stand on in this area. And it's barely flat. The only thing that's kept it flat is a tree's fallen off from up at the Alpine tops at some point in its life, fallen down there.

1:46:15And then all the shale and rock that's fallen off these big wash outs with the water has like leaned up against that big stump so it's like laid out a flat bit and I could fit about three quarters of a little one person 10 on there and so I set the 10 up there I set the mattress that I was telling you that I was trying to flagged in the helicopter we're if I'd set that just on there that just sat on there and then I pulled the sleeping bag out and it was fucking soaked like the sleeping bag was drenched and I'm like it's still gonna be something. And went for the rest of your pack, I pulled the chamois skin out and sort of laid that there hoping it'd give me some warmth as well.

1:46:56And I've like stripped down then, all the like bigger layers to try and get that off me. And I've climbed in this wet cold sleeping bag which is the worst feel and fucking ever in that situation. Like you do you start you start to think like like this is the end, this might be deaf. And I climbed in there, I was trying to get warm. And then I kept looking at that signal, but it's through my phone. My phone, it's usually through my phone, sorry. My phone had already died, so it's just through the little device. And remember the old phones, how you had to go for the fucking alphabet on them, the type of message.

1:47:33I'm trying to type a message to my buddy that was keeping tabs on me as all this was happening. And the message just went out as in I need help and he like I've been around this dude for forever He's one of my best friends so he knows what I'm like He knows if I'm like I fucking need help that it's not good, you know and that message I didn't know if it went out or not I had to turn it off because I had like four or five percent in it so I shut it down Anyway, I'm laying in there of laying in there and then obviously the adrenaline's I've come and off and I think I dozed off for a little while.

1:48:09It might have been 40 minutes or so, it's like a power nap. And I woke up and my body was just quiver and flat out. Like from fucking deep in, it was just quiver and flat out. And that feels like death. That probably, that actually scared me. Because like I couldn't stop. I was just fucking quiver and flat out like, like my core is trying to warm back up. And it took me a little while to think about that because I shut, I end up shutting myself down. I stopped myself shaking. And then I was like, you fucking idiot. That's exactly what your body is supposed to do. It's trying to warm up. And then I sort of loosened up again and started shaking.

1:48:50And then I went to move this arm and this leg and they wouldn't move. Like I couldn't move them. And then I was like, oh shit, like as in the adrenaline, it was from that first fall I think or it was from the jump that I did. I don't know if I bruised it. I don't know if it's about nearly hypothermic. I don't know what really happened there. Just I just couldn't move that leg and I couldn't move this arm. So then that scared me a bit too. And I started thinking about Kim and the kids and like shook me up. And I got teary as well, which was weird because then I fucking warmed up. Like when all that happened, I was starting to warm up.

1:49:29Anyway, I tried this sleep, you can't sleep here in a wet sleep and bag, it's free. Like everything's fucking frozen around you, there's fucking rocks roll and from the top of the fucking mountain down into the river. What the creek that's now turned into a river, there's rocks rolling down there, you listen to that all night, there's like smaller debris and rocks hitting the tent and it's just like, and you can't move because I'm on this pad this big. Anyway, I don't even know how, but the morning came at some point. I got up, turned the GPS back on. No, there was no message, no nothing. So I hit the SOS one last time and I held it in.

1:50:03Nothing, nothing. I think I sat around for the first couple of hours of morning, like just holding me chest and stuff like that, trying to get warm again. And I got to the point and it's like, no one's coming for you. Like, it's fucking on you. And that was the best thing that happened to me because it was almost like I hit the button and then it was almost like a give up as in like, oh, someone's coming for me, it's fine. You know, and then it wasn't until I realized and said to myself, no one's fucking coming. Just fucking get up and do something. And I was like, I'm fucking gonna start a fire.

1:50:39Even if it takes me half a day, at least this is turning. Let's try and start a fire, let's do something, you know, like fucking stay in it. And then so I started pulling all the different rubbish out of me bag that I carried from the trip. I started piling that up. There's like no branches or anything around. So then I'm back at that tree where my tent was. And I'm trying to carve into that tree like to try and get into the middle of it, try and find some dry. Cause it's been raining for a day and a half now. Maybe even longer down low cause I descended so far down. And then I'm trying to get in there and I'm like, I'll burn the tent, I'll burn.

1:51:17What else can I burn? You know, I started thinking about all the things that I can burn. and I'm like, yeah, if you're here for another night, you can't burn any of that. So I left the tent set up, left the chamoiskin in there, and then I just got it to the point where I was like, I could probably start a fire now. It's not gonna last long because there's no wood on it, it's just all trash that I had in my bag. And then I started thinking, what else can I do? I'm like, I'm gonna build a fucking helicopter pad because there was no, you know, it was all sheer, like no commercial helicopter could live the land there.

1:51:49I only arrest you helicopter at that point could pick me up from where I was because they, you know, they could drop down a rope and lift me up. But if I build an actual pad, I knew once to ever clear I could just call in the commercial helicopter to pick me up. So I was like, fuck it. And so I start grabbing like rocks, it's just rocks everywhere and I was going to build basically a retaining wall and then start filling it. It would have taken days to do, but I was just keen to keep busy. And then I was fully trapped. I could not go back up. I couldn't go out the creek. I couldn't go out the sides I definitely couldn't go down low and that raw is the whole time right beside me Just screaming that water pumping down there Anyway, so I start collecting rocks and then I thought I heard a fucking helicopter And I was like fuck and this is like this is five or six hours now after morning And I'm listening and it's getting louder.

1:52:42I just see this fucking big helicopter a bank up this like it's a fucking urine a draw system in between these massive mountains and it just comes cruising straight around and I was like holy fuck like I was like so fucking pumped and then this arm still wasn't working I got this leg the mood will start working in the morning this arm still wasn't working properly and I was so fucking pumped and the dude comes around and he gives me the thumbs up oh fuck man my fun must have been so straight I was fuck I was like this you know I was so excited. And then at the same time, I was like, I don't wanna leave anything.

1:53:22I'm fucking rescued now. I don't wanna leave anything behind. I don't wanna leave this beautiful place like it's being touched. So I fucking packed up the tent. With jammy skin back in the backpack, I picked up the rubbish, I stuck that back in the backpack. The dude sort of had to look around to make sure it was good to come down. He just come down on this winch, dude. I fucking gave him a big hug. and he's like how the fuck did you get here? And I was like, I came from the top and he's like, hold, because they seen this fucking rock face that was straight below me. And I was thinking they wouldn't even take my backpack to tell you the truth.

1:53:59And I'm like, just leave the backpack here and he's like, yeah, but I'll bring it up on the next run and then fucking, he lift me up, I got into this big bird, right, went back down, I can come back up the backpack and everything and I'm like how did you know that I was here and my buddy Actually rallied the locals and they come out as a training exercise because they didn't actually even get the fucking SOS That I was down there. Oh my god. So they come out there as a training exercise and pick me up No one that I was probably there, but that's how they had to hope I'm not getting them in trouble by saying this I'd done it.

1:54:38Anyway, they fucking probably saved my life so they shouldn't be in trouble, but they come out as a training exercise and come and pick me up. What would you have done? I didn't know. I couldn't, I don't think I could have physically went anywhere without greatly endangering my life more than what it already was. Like there I had a chance to survive for so long, but walking anywhere from there, there There was such a great chance of fucking dying within the first couple of minutes. Down was 100 % deaf. 100 % deaf gone down. All these rocks of ice all over them, she'd fucking dropped down there.

1:55:17And then when I flew out of there in the helicopter, I just kept looking to see if I had done that somehow, if I could have went, because you couldn't jump off the waterfall, because it just hits massive big rocks down the bottom. It's not hitting in big waterfall. Big rocks down the bottom. Pass that point was fucking dozens of spots as bad as that going along the way. That there was no way I was going on fervor anyway. So even if I risked lemon limb to go fervor, I'll still fucked. And you couldn't get back up. Couldn't get back up. I was in such a shit spot. But that shit spot is probably the only thing that saved you.

1:55:55It is, anything that saved me. But the thing that saved me self, because I'm like, you're fucked if you go beyond here. This is where you stay. You know, this is as far as you go, you know. So the SOS message that I sent out, the International Rescue Center got that message. One guy got that message. Then they tried to call me on my mobile phone number. I'm fucking hitting the GPS. Fucking SOS, cause your phone don't work. Otherwise, I would have called authorities off my phone and sent me an email to be like, we didn't get the message correctly. We're not sure where exactly where you are. and it's just like, well at least then one.

1:56:31And then the dude went on a fucking two hour lunch break. Huh. Isn't that insane? I was reassured afterwards that they put all their staff through training again. So that wouldn't happen again. So hopefully I've saved someone else along the line. That sounds like a terrible place to visit. They said, do you wanna go to the hospital? Or do you feel okay? And I said, I feel okay. And they dropped me back at my vehicle, which was parked at like sort of like a trailhead. And I got out of the flight and then my bag was on the ground so I hadn't even lifted the bag up yet And I lent down the get the bag and I just fucking crippled like my back was like fucked up And I got back to Australia and I went into the hospital because I'm like like it feels like my bladder's about the burst my Baxle fucked up.

1:57:21I can't move. I was all hunched over. They did X -rays and they're like yeah, you got lines fractures through your spine. You're very lucky that it wasn't any worse and it probably, I'd know a month later I was fully picking up dumb heavy things again felt alright. But yeah so if anyone's like what's the scariest place to hunt? It's fucking New Zealand. No predators, no nothing. No grislies, no saltwater crocodiles. It's still the scariest place to hunt. Like I've nearly come unstuck there twice now. You know every year I hear about stories about guys just a small all slip on the mountain but they just keep going and they're gone.

1:58:00So yeah skip, skip NZ. Fuck. Damn. Four years ago that story still works. Yeah. Did you ever think about going back there? You know it's funny because like I've done that real sketchy stuff in New Zealand four or five times now and I've shot tar and I've shot shaming and I've done I mean beautiful ways like the bow, walking from the bottom to the top and days in and getting them. And it's like, and I wanna do it again, but like how your fucking time comes up at some point, you know, and it's like, and I don't think I'm any more sensible than ever, but maybe I'm a bit more sensible, that would make sense because I don't have to do that again.

1:58:48I will do New Zealand again, but I won't do that sketchy country. And it's like I'll do that because there's probably no one back there. Like that's what puts you there to start with. You're fully off the grid. You don't see any other hunters because that's all publicly and in New Zealand. But you're back far enough and doing the dumb enough stuff that people don't do it. And it is. It's... And you had no backup batteries. Do you keep backup batteries? I do, but they all froze and died. That night in the tent where I told you I was in a shitty spot and I wanted to get the helicopter back in. That was a super cold night and like I have spare batteries in my sleep and bag to keep them warm with me they still all died.

1:59:29I got up in the mall and the phone was dead. My main camera battery was dead. Then a battery bank was dead as well. Yeah. But that's generally what I do. I've always got a spare battery and you just sort of lean on your phone for GPS for you know these new phones at least in Australia now they've been trialing it. There's an SOS on your phone now. Yeah, that's how it phones too. Yeah, and it's really handy because you get the pick your situation. You know, car broken down in the middle of nowhere, immediate help, there's different things because I tested that out not long ago in remote Western Australia as well.

2:00:10Did you use that? Yeah, I did four car tyres stuck in the middle of nowhere. And then so I used that, got to tell him the problem and it's like proper communications. Got to tell the authorities the problem. They notified police. I told him of two people that I knew of that could rescue me. One of them was my older son and then he'd come out with spare tyres and then rescued us like the next day so we had a cold sleep in the car that night. I mean a buddy Campbell and said like a single cab too and I'm like, I'm in the front. He slept in the back. Yeah, and then he got the punches, so I got the best spot.

2:00:52And then yeah, me son, come out. But if it wasn't for that, like no vehicles came, we're broken down on a road in Australia and no vehicles drove past us in a day and a half. Like it's remote and it's hot. Like what do you, you've only got so much water that you can drink. You can't drink the radiator water, it's got fucking shit in it. Right. So yeah, it's another quick and easy way to die. And you're on a road in Australia, you know? Yeah. Well, you do so many of those trips, it's remarkable that this has only happened a couple of times. I prepare, you know, and it's like it might sound like I was prepared that time in New Zealand and, you know, and on a couple other things it's like you're not prepared, you're not prepared.

2:01:34And it's like, well, I am prepared. I was a what a fucking died age ago, you know. and it's like you've always sort of got that back up. And I think you've just got to be good in those situations. I've been in those situations with other people and they panic. And they make more decisions that are bad, you know? Yeah. And it's like, and it's realizing before you go in that this could be a part of this adventure, you know? But everyone's time comes up. You do stupid stuff enough and fucking, you can only handle the poison of snakes for so long before one bite you. Yeah, so you're rolling the dice so often.

2:02:11Yeah, so it's like I'm not gonna roll the dice in New Zealand like that again I'll roll the dice in Grizzly country here and I know you have a truck that you have completely outfitted and set up Right, yeah, like the land crews are 79 series. You just can't get a mere I was actually thinking about Because one of the next projects I want to do is by landing America building off grid cabin have a nice big truck here and RV and like live that American dream you know. And so I was like I might fright my 79 series over here like it's fully decked out how I want it. It's like a freaking weapon you know.

2:02:52Right. And I looked it up and got the price back and I was like yeah now I'll just buy an American truck when I get there. Well you can you can't buy a 79 here. We could buy an 80. An 80 series. That's yours. Yeah so the 80s old one. Yeah but like the other one? Yeah, the new ones are same, but I've like extended the Shazzy for a hundred mill. It's got coil springs the whole way around it. It's like the new ones like twice as decked out as that thing again. It just needs a tray and a canopy. Do you have a video of that thing? I haven't posted much because it's not finished, but yeah. But of that one?

2:03:28Of that one? Yeah, probably. Yeah. And so how long does it take to figure out like what to put in there and how to set it up? And Like, how do you outfit something like that? I've spent more time and money on that truck than I have time driving it, and money buying it from original. So it's like, that's at least a year in the making, you know, and it's just like, it goes to one place, gets one thing done, and it's like, and you're trying to figure it out as you go to, right? Well, some of the best off -road stuff comes from Australia. They're called man, e -moo, sharks, yeah. Yeah, there's fanatics there, and these fanatics have started their own business, you know, I'm just like, like Ayahbe's huge back home.

2:04:08Jav Ayahbe here? What is Ayahbe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're huge back home, yeah. I love my Land Cruiser here. My body here. I spotted it, I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, the thing's decked out. That's my apocalypse vehicle. Is it? I'm ready to go. Well, that's what my aim is. Yeah. You know, the back seat comes out. Yeah. It's removable so the whole bed and the back behind the two front seats is flat. So I take it hunting, I take the back seat out. It's so good on all my stuff. and if I have to sleep in and I can sleep in it and it's got heated seats and leave it rigged up where did they go? It's got a big ass gas tank.

2:04:40No that's the same one. I really haven't posted much on this. It's just like I've just been building it and it's going to be the ultimate, at least for me and Australia. I've been driving a Tesla around here in Austin. What is this thing? It's the opposite. It's the so opposite but it suits people here in the city right? Well, it's bizarre. I'll fast it is. Oh, yeah, yeah, and just Disco wire and just why you go. Yeah, yeah, it's just called Yeah, just a cyber truck yet. No, I drove one. I mean a saw one last week You want a shot it with a arrow. That's the one you yeah, yeah, so like obviously he's the owner So he's not choked up about it.

2:05:22He's a machine. Yeah, yeah, it's the end of life He wanted to see well he knew that it wasn't gonna go through. Yeah, I wish I had a single bevel that's all All of a sudden, I was like, I was doing wrong arrow. I think I could have gone there. I tried to find my chair and will. I did, we did all these tests on the next, the next is Arrows that we made with a solid broaded on it, shooting all sorts of dumb things, but I had like a gas, like a solid gas can there, and it would pierze that, and that's the two blade broaded. Field point wouldn't pierze it, just about every other broad that I shot it, I just snapped and crumbled or bent over.

2:06:03But what they actually struggled with was just pool glass. Like the glass, like the arrow wouldn't break the glass from a pool, you know, like the pool fencing glass. And so it's not as strong as like armor glass or anything like that. The arrow bounced off it and survived, but it took like four shots to break that glass. It would punch through any metal you shot at that, but it wouldn't go for that glass. I don't know why I don't know how it handles that shock, but yeah, it was it was quite incredible But yeah as soon as I say not like oh damn. I know that's all I had here I was thinking if I had an iron will and if I had my 90 pound bow and I had you know a collar on the front of the arrow Yeah, I had all these thoughts in my head punch it But I use a three blade and it just bounce about how cool that though Because if that was a normal car it wouldn't end up in the door on the other side I'm not present when I went away through.

2:06:56Yeah, Windows up obviously, so you're not hitting like a glass through the window, but it just would have punched right for it. Yeah, no, those things are extraordinary. It's a crazy car. I mean, the fact that he's decided to make it bulletproof for you. Oh yeah. No reason other than it's cool. And then Dorian sent me like this link to this company that's making like the campers for the back of them now. Oh yes. Oh, it looks epic. It looks so cool. But you only have a certain amount of mileage and that mileage dwindles substantially when it gets cold. Yeah, that's why I wouldn't suit me in Australia not because of the cold no solar You can't really charge it with solar yeah much more electricity than solar I have to lay out a giant grid of solar and leave it there for a few days Yeah, I feel like it makes sense if Your got solar on your house Then you plug an in at your house to recharge it.

2:07:43Yeah, you know that that makes a lot of sense And so I looked into electric vehicles in this house that we're living in now because I decked the roof out of solar And I was like, I'll put a smart charger and everything in there. We'll just get an electric vehicle for just doing the town stuff or the kids are growing up so they're getting their drivers license and a nice safe car like that. But by the time I looked into it, I'm like, it's just not practical for me. And the rest of the family too, because they're always going and doing things far away places as well. Yeah, that's the thing about the kind of stuff that you do.

2:08:14You could never take a cyber truck into the northern country. North and Territories are not, it would not make it. Just sitting there on my phone, like waiting for it to recharge. You get 300 miles away and it would die. It's done. There's nothing you can do. Whereas all my cars have long range fuel tanks on them. So you're good for a thousand kilometers and just like, and it's a long time between fuel stations in some of that remote country as well. Right. And do you have to make sure that you drive a certain speed so that you don't burn up too much gas? Are you cognizant of that one? No, not really.

2:08:45I've usually got plenty of spare that. How much how big is the gallon I mean how many Leaders leaders? Tank what's leaders? How many leaders is that I've got one 30 which is the main tank so 130 liters for the main tank and then Non -elites for the auxiliary tank and it's just on a switch what is that like 60 gallons? 130 liters is how many gallons Jamie 60 50

2:09:1735 that's it. Yeah, mine's bigger than that. Yeah, he's it. Yeah, I got it 40 Yeah, nice. Yeah, so you bought that like when the shit was going down in LA I was to start to think the shit was gonna go down in LA before I was thinking about earthquakes and things like that Yeah, if you get trapped and you have to drive off road I wanted something that was lifted something that a real off -road vehicle Suspension yeah, yeah real power. It's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it like I had it down ready for COVID 2 .0. Well, I was before COVID that I had it built. It's all, I've always been worried.

2:09:52Oh, you should say, especially like you better off being worried and prepared. Yes. They're not at all raw. I want to say worried like I don't. Yeah. What else is crazy about like a legit worry at night when I'm alone and I've been doing this a lot lately. It's global war. I'm really worried about that. That gives me real legitimate anxiety sometimes when I'm alone. When I'm alone, it leads it out of our hands. I know that's part of the reason why I think I worry about it. I just the world has never seemed more haywire than right now to me Never seemed more vulnerable and there's so much There's just so much tension and there's so much between this palestine Israel thing and the Ukraine Russia thing and then China and Taiwan There's so much potential for chaos.

2:10:40There's so much potential for horrors And it just sometimes I just really freak out. You know, I think about it a lot, but more for my kids sake, you know. Yeah, that too. Well, like if you have to provide for your kids, like, then how? What do you do? How long, you know, how long before you're out of water? How long before you're out of food? You know, how many bullets do you have? Like, what do you, what do you do? Yeah, I'm like, I'm fortunate enough to be very prepared in that situation. Like, I'm in the farm and Scott Porter on it. water tanks are full and providing for ourselves and things like that.

2:11:15Well, if you could get to your farm also, there's so much game out there. You would be in Longzies, assholes. Don't keep fucking gunning them down from helicopters. But for the people that live in towns and cities, just like what's your option, you know? Not much. Not much. It's such a precarious scenario because so many people have had things provided for them for so long. they have no skills, no understanding, no knowledge, no ability. They would have to learn from scratch while starving. And that's terrifying. And that's just assuming you're not getting attacked. That's assuming, you know, you haven't been invaded.

2:11:52It's assuming that you haven't been hit with a nuclear bomb and everything's gone. It's assuming the power grids up. It's assuming, you know, there's gas to pump. You know, there's so many variables that are completely out of your hands. and you know, because of what's going on in the world right now, I've never felt more like things could fall apart at any moment. Like now, again, it's always late at night when I'm by myself. I just think, because you know, as a father, you know, and a husband and a provider, you think like you have to figure out a way to take care of everybody. Like how do you take care of everybody?

2:12:30And then, you know, there's the walking dead scenario, right? like you got to really worry about people. When resources get scarce, people get sketched. As soon as people get desperate, yeah, it's very, very, very scary. Some of these streets look like the walk and dead already, man. Right, I would. I would, like, four years out of the country and then coming into some of the cities that I've, like I've always said, like Salt Lake, Austin's the most beautiful cities that I've ever been to. And then, so it was really in my face when I come back here, I'm like, Is this COVID? Is the current government like what is this?

2:13:04And how do you battle this now? It's fentanyl, it's COVID, it's the current government. It's, I mean, one of the things we found out about Los Angeles is the people that are working on the homeless situation are being paid, exorbitant amounts of money. Like there's people that work on the COVID situation or excuse me, the homeless situation in Los Angeles that are making $240 plus thousand a year. And there's no incentive whatsoever to fix it. And there's so much bureaucracy. Cash can, no. They probably don't want to fix it. Right. Well, they have no incentive. The incentive is to keep the problem going so that they keep getting these cushy jobs.

2:13:45That's what they have. That's a sad story. And there's no performance benefit. Like they're not paid based on the amount of homeless people that are moved into shelters and reintegrated into society, no, they're just paid because there's a homeless problem and there's a budget. We need to raise the budget for the homeless problem, we need to fix the unhoused situation, sure you do. What you really need to do is keep getting paid and that's what a lot of them are doing and there's no hope in sight. And it seems to me that it's reached a tipping point that once things get so sideways that people are just camping out in the streets when you go to Los Angeles, like there's parts of Los Angeles, She's like, what the fuck is going on?

2:14:26Like this is not sustainable. I have a friend who had a house in Venice. And in front of his house, 30 feet from his house, there's people camping. 30 feet, like right outside his house. You've got crack heads. People are openly doing drugs, fentanyl, and they're tapping into the power lines and shit, and they're putting generators in these tents. Like they have no plans on leaving. And there's no no one to force them out no one to try to say hey you can't do this You can't litter on the street, but you can pile all your bullshit on the street Yeah, all your garbage human shit You know and then you have places like skid row which might glover who runs He runs Forget the name of his organization but it's a Preparedness organization where it teaches people how to you know prepare for the worst and what you have to do if you know Something happens and he said skid row is the worst place He's ever seen and all the places has been to have a third world places been around the world in terms of like Just the sheer amount of homeless people the open air drug use the no hope no law enforcement no nothing It's just fucking That's what I've noticed.

2:15:45The last two trips, it seems to be a lack of law enforcement out there. Yeah, well, it almost seems like it's engineered. I mean, if you were real conspiracy theorists, you would think it's engineered to collapse society. And I'm sure there's some very legitimate people that can't help being on the streets at the moment, whether it's from job loss, fruit covered, whether it's from mental illness. It's mostly mental illness and drug abuse. People want to label it as job loss, but it seems like if you talk to the people that actually understand the situation, it's very little of it. Yeah. Because there's resources for those people, but there's not resources for people that are like severely mentally ill.

2:16:22And also, there's many cities that incentivize people. They actually give people money to stay homeless. They pay them. They give them a monthly stipend and they live on the street and they get like 600 bucks a month and they... Something needs to change in the system, I... And the thing is these fucking people keep voting the same way. They want things to go the same I just don't know what they think they think that voting any other way is racist sexist transphobic Islamophobic xenophobic It's like they they have this fucking ideology in their head like they're in a cult And they think their way is the only way to do it as long as they're safe in their home They don't take into consideration at what the overall effect on society all these laws and lack of enforcement of laws.

2:17:11I mean, there's so many cities that all these business, like San Francisco businesses are just pulling out, left and right because they're just constantly getting robbed. They're constantly getting looted. You go to a drug store in San Francisco, everything's locked up, everything. It's all behind locks and cabinets and people just go in there and steal whatever they can. They can't stop them. They're not allowed to stop them. You're allowed to steal nine hundred dollars with the stuff. Oh my god. I was saying nice videos fucking insane It's insane. It's a complete collapse of society and again It happened so quickly that you have to kind of extrapolate and go from here in 2023 And say well, what does it look like in 2033 because in 2013 you saw none of this.

2:17:55Yeah, yeah Do you remember any camping on the streets? No, Jamie? Do you remember any camping on the streets in 2013? I don't remember any some of it. Maybe in Skid Row. There was homelessness in Skid Row. It definitely wasn't like it is here. Not what I seen in Salt Lake like last month. You see it in Salt Lake, you see it in Minnesota, it's really bad in Minneapolis, it's really bad in Detroit, it's really bad right now in New York because they made it a sanctuary city. So the way New York state works, Coleman Hughes was on the podcast before explained it, that it's actually a New York state law where you have to provide housing to homeless people.

2:18:35But that was supposed to be for people that lived there. So these people have come here from South America, Mexico, and they've made it a sanctuary city. So now you have entire hotels that are no longer hotels. They just loaded up with these migrants. And you know. So the next president, if he's up to what's going to have a hell of a job in front of him. Good. Fuck. Look, and look, and how do you get past the New York State law that says that you have to have housing for these people? You have to change the law. That's insane. And New York is, they don't want to hire Republicans, everybody's a Democrat.

2:19:06There's no one person that can do this job. Like, seriously, like there's not. No. But then the problem is, even with a whole party involved, they get fought against so hard. But how can they make up any ground that really change? Well, that's a giant problem with our system. There's two party system. It's just so crazy. You know, and it's also a problem when people get into power and they want you to listen to them and do you mean you saw that in Australia with the COVID thing? They just decided, I mean, I thought of Australia as this rugged, individualist place that's all about freedom. And then COVID came and it was just like, you have to take this experience.

2:19:46It's really kind of drawn to state the state. So I tell the story all the time. So because we're governed by the minds because that's where all of our work is and then the government pushed onto the minds that To work on the minds you had to be vaccinated, right? So and the community that we're in is like all mind -based. It's a it's a mining community so they all got vaccinated They I didn't have to I didn't have to go to the site I just stayed in the office and my home and did my own thing So I didn't have to get vaccinated, but all my workers had to get vaccinated or they didn't have a job because I couldn't send them to a job site.

2:20:26So that was even pushed down the main. We did a few things around that, but anyone that had to go to the mine sites, went and got vaccinated. They still all got COVID. They still all spread it. They still all had to have time off work because I was sick and a decent amount of them got really sick after having the COVID vaccination. and some of them long -term. So it did nothing. That was proof that the vaccination did nothing, because I lived in a community where everyone had to get vaccinated. Like I said, they still got sick, they still spread it, they still had to have time of work. Yeah, they were lied to.

2:21:00They were told that it was gonna stop transmission. I mean, there's that famous Rachel Manau clip where she was like, if you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you. It was bullshit. It was never even tested to do that. It was tested to provide these antibodies. Does it give you any, but they never tested it to stop transmission. And they had to admit that over time. But this has just been the story of pharmaceutical drugs in America, the massive amount of profit that they can make by forcing people to do that. Just that amount of money just went really far to enforcing this, because so many people were on the take, whether they were on the take voluntarily, whether they were on the take psychologically, because this was set up as the one way to get out of this and everybody believed them.

2:21:43I felt like Australia was like, oh, what's that country doing? We better do that. Yeah. And it made me realize how badly the government's actually run. It's like the worst run business there is. Right. And it should be the best run business model there is. Right. And it's the worst. Because I would just scramble, no, you need to do this. Our COVID stays in the air for three hours. You know, you need to wear a mask. But if you're eating or drinking, you can have it off. And it's like people said, so what's the fucking difference? Doesn't make sense. plane ride for like six hours, the W .A .E. Weston Australia, and like everyone's got their mask on, and then when the food gets served, everyone's got their mask down.

2:22:21This is dumb shit. This is so dumb, you know, and it's just like, what was the death toll from people committing suicide? Because they couldn't do what kept them mentally healthy anymore. Like what, they weren't comparing apples to apples. Also, how many people turned to alcoholism? 100 years. and family breakups and stuff like that. It was ridiculous. So they weren't. They would just... Well, they destroyed the economy in so many cities too. I mean, Los Angeles, especially the restaurant economy. Los Angeles lost like 70 % of the restaurants at one point, which is just madness. Yeah, it is. And it's just poor policy making because that didn't happen in Florida.

2:23:01No. We were actually, me and Kimmy were in New Zealand in the back country when it really properly broke out. Like we'd heard about it on the news, don't really follow it. don't really follow the news, but you know, you know, we're hearing about it in China and things like that. And we're in New Zealand, me, Kim and a good friend, Tyler, in the back country. And there's one rise that you come up and you just get a little bit of phone reception there. And we touch base with the kids, you know, each afternoon, each night there. And we come up to this rise and I start getting messages flood out, you know.

2:23:36It's my son Noah and he's like, you need to come home. You need to get home now. They're shutting down the world, basically. And so I get that message and I'm like, shit, and I turn around and Kim Tyler behind me. And the sun's gone down, so the ground's dark, but the sky's slightly lit up still. And I just see these 14 bright as fuck lights in a row, like leaving the atmosphere, like cruising across like the horizon. And the first thing that jumps into my head after getting that message and COVID's gone mad is like all the fucking rich and famous like Joe Rogan's on one of them ships. And I seriously thought that there's ships leaving the earth, it's gone the shit.

2:24:21And I was like, and I said the camera like holy fuck what's that? And they both looked up and like holy shit straight away on my phone 14 lights in a straight line. and it's fucking the launch of Starling. Oh, that's hilarious. And so the sun was still hitting them and making them glow, obviously. Well, you thought people were leaving Earth to Earth was gonna blow up. It was fucking a drill. Well, that's the real scenario. That's the real scary scene. Cause COVID, you know, all the people did lose their lives and the economy got destroyed and it wasn't a catastrophe in a pandemic. It's fairly minor compared to something that could happen.

2:24:59if we got hit by a medium. Oh, 100%. There was a nuclear war. If, you know. Yeah, so you do, you have to be prepared to go for yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I, yeah. I, they can't, I don't think they can pull the wool over our eyes like that well, but you know, it's a little bit more. No, no, no. It's like the boy that's cried wolf though. Like, what if there is something legit next time? And it is a legit vaccination. Like, most of us are going to be like, no, fuck that. I'm not doing it. Right. it again. But what if it is legit, you know? So it's that's a long discussion. It is. It's bad in both vaccines.

2:25:35Now there's talk of at least in Australia and I haven't read too much on it because it's been hard to find sense that there's a vaccination that cattle are going to get and for anything to go to the stock the stock yards like the sale yards for cattle, They have to have this vaccination. That vaccination gets passed on the people. Yeah, through food. Through food. And like right now, I'm trying to buy acreage because I want to run unvaccinated cattle, like pure blood cattle you could call it and sell direct to consumer. Because I believe there's going to be a big market in that and you don't take your cattle to the market to be sold.

2:26:13They get sold for you direct. Because if that's something that comes out, I'm not going to want that meat either. because I'm meeting me now and I'm fine. I'm happy. Why am I going to change anything? Why am I going to get a vaccination? I've had something that they can profit off of. They're going to do. And if they can profit off of forcing cattle to get vaccinated, then these pharmaceutical drug companies can force these cattle ranchers to make sure they vaccinate their cattle. It's fucking mad. It's really crazy. And it just shows what happens when absolute power corrupts, absolutely. When money gets involved and, you know, There's just so much money was made and now they're scrambling to figure out how to try to make that kind of money again.

2:26:52To it again. It's like they made hundreds of billions of dollars in profit and then it went off. Like nobody wants the COVID vaccine now. The compliance for the new boosters and the by -valent boosters is like far, far, far, lower. Because everybody got COVID anyway. Yeah, that's right. So many people were like, well, fuck this. Yeah, and look, it was shit. Like the first time I got it, it was shit. You know, I didn't feel great, but I've had the flu before and I've had cold before and then the next time I got it I had it for a day and a half right but nobody ever told you how to get a flu vaccine We said you have to do this.

2:27:26Yeah, there was such a lack of information. I don't know if it was the same here But there was such a lack of information like what are the home remedies? You know what well That was the thing. There's a lot of misinformation on purpose And that's I got caught up in that where they were accusing me of taking veterinary medicine Yeah, you guys are out of your fucking mind You're literally talking about Iver Mectin, which is a drug that's on the World Health Organization list of essential medications. People have been taking, there's fucking billions of prescriptions have been handed out to humans.

2:27:53To call that a veterinary medication, that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medication because they use it on animals too. It's fucking mad and the media was involved in the tactics. Big business tactics that show you that our media is bought and paid for, which is really scary. At least in Australia, you don't have advertisement for pharmaceutical drugs on television. Or as they have that here in America. Flat out. Flat out. Yeah. And it's everywhere. And at the end, they have to list all the side effects. Man, me, including rectilbleeding. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's side of thoughts?

2:28:28Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I think it was like Chris might follow up. Faith in the government. Oh, no. Yeah. It might have been a Chris Rock joke. And he's, you know, he's like, do you wake up tired? You need this pill and it's like who the fuck doesn't like up feeling tired right? Well, that's the thing if you can advertise for things you could always come up with a reason why people need that Yes, that's the Sackler family That's what they did with that if you've seen that a Netflix documentary On the the Sackler family and oh my god the people that pushed opioids It's Americans. We got the entire fucking country hooked on heroin.

2:29:07And they did it by telling you, you know, paint, you know, but what about breakthrough paint? Can you just need a little bit more, little higher boost? You're body telling you something else. Like I, and this is how I've been my whole life. I try not to take anything unless I absolutely have to. Yes. And even at that point, I'm like, it's just a headache, it's gonna go away. Do I really need to take something for it? Everything has a side effect. Yeah, it does. It's like I'll take because I'll take that to fix that but then it's gonna feel like it's gonna burn a hole in me gap Yes, you know or something along those lines, you know The one thing I have been trying to take in Australia, which is so friggin difficult to get is like a plasma injection I've had this fucked heel for like 12 years about PRP me.

2:29:51Yeah, I've been the multiple doctors and This last one sort of heard me out. I struggle with I struggle with it for the last 10 years What is it? What's wrong? I split my heel in three places. The bone. Yeah, in the bone. And then there's a scar tissue or a fragment of bone above it. Now to do keyhole surgery could make it actually worse. So they don't want to do that. And I don't want to do that because I'm putting up with it. But it takes the edge off a lot of my nicer thoughts when I'm hiking and hunting. I can't run anymore because of it because the next day it blows up and my heels all twisted and everything like that.

2:30:26So they've been giving me quarter zone. I've had two quarters of injections. It wears off after two days. And I'm pretty sure it only works for the first two days because they put a numbing injection in there first so I don't feel it. Right. Latter -can. It's really hard to get in Australia or they just don't want to give it. The last doctor's like, oh, it's really expensive. I'm like, I don't care. Like, I want this fixed. That's my life, you know? I want this fixed. And I said, and it actually could kill me because it stopped me from having the right balance on that foot. And if I'm in sketchy country, that's the difference between falling or not.

2:31:00So I want it good, you know. And the last doctor has heard me out about that. But he keeps giving me this quarter zone that keeps wearing off. You shouldn't get to any quarter zone, shall I say, that they're very bad for your joints. Yeah, I'll be right back. Yeah. Yeah. When, have you looked into stem cells, have you looked into these places? I haven't. I only like listening to you and you sort of being a promoter of it. Yeah. I mean, you've had MRIs on the C -Lion Surin. Yeah. Yeah, this places you can go specifically outside of the country that can really do some stuff right. They can do some things in America as well.

2:31:30You're talking about plasma, you're talking about platelet rich plasma, PRP injections. Is that supposed to be helping it or is it possible to help it? Yeah, it's possible to help it. But I've heard there's no side effects, it even works or it doesn't. Yeah, platelet rich plasma doesn't seem to have any significant side effects. Drawing blood, they take your own blood, they spin it, they put it back in your body. Man. So like Mexico. Yeah, Tijuana is a really good spot the CPI. Yeah, okay. So they love. I think I think I think I think I think they're like, yeah, you just went there. Yeah, he went there and got a bunch of stuff Injected into his back.

2:32:04Yeah, I got back and shoulders and he's got pretty significant injuries. Yep. Yeah Yeah, it's sketchy. Yeah, I've had stem cells. Yeah, I've had it in America. They've they cured my shoulder I had a shoulder issue that my doctor was telling me you're gonna have to have surgery And then I got I had a full length rotator cuff tear and six months later I went back got an MRI I was like it's gone. Well, it's gone. Yeah, and I don't have any problems with that shoulder anymore I mean zero I lift weights with it. I do all kinds of things that it's very strong. Yeah, so that's a nice side of modern medicine Right.

2:32:39Yeah. Oh listen. I'm not anti -modern medicine. Yeah, no matter how I've had multiple surgeries of modern medicine is amazing The problem is money. Yeah, the problem is not these people that are innovating and trying to figure out new ways to help people and heal people. The problem is that you have your scientists, you have your innovators, and then you have the people that are selling it, completely different human beings. And those people don't give a fuck. They might as well be selling cigarettes, they might as well be selling, you know, nuclear waste. They don't give a shit. But it's fully promoted as good for our health, like we're helping you.

2:33:11Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they have, they have anti -depressants that make you suicidal, so they provide you with another drug that you take with the antidepressant that is supposed to stop the suicidal thoughts, but those side effects for that also include suicidal thoughts. It's just wild shit. It's wild shit. And none of them, no one are saying that one of the main ways to stop depression is exercise and exercise is actually 1 .25 times more effective than SSR. But they're not prescribing exercise. They're not telling people, hey, I want you to hike an hour a day. I want you to jump rope. I want you to do sit -ups.

2:33:54I want you to elevate your heart rate for 20 minutes, four times a week, and let's see if that helps. Yeah, come back in a minute. Feel good about yourself. Yeah, feel good about yourself. Change your diet. I get bored, super easy. And I think, like, boredoms are the thing that sort of leads to, like, mental health issues and stuff like that. Like, people that don't have their thing, you know? Like, I'm very lucky. You're very lucky. we've found something that we're really passionate about. And so you chase it. Yes. And originally that's the only reason I promoted bow -on and because I was like, who doesn't know this exists?

2:34:25Like if it makes me feel that healthy because of everything that goes with it outdoors, exercise, everything like that. Yes. Who doesn't know this exists? Well, and they're all in the backcountry now unfortunately, but you know, that's just the part of it. I still prefer to promote it and everyone know about it. Yeah, me too. And someone's thing might be bow -onning. It might be collecting cards. I don't know anything anything, but hopefully something is difficult. Yes. Having that thing, you know where you and that's what I keep talking about like I'm constantly looking what's the next way to test myself?

2:34:54I like those tests, you know like I had that rough childhood whatever no excuses who gives a shit, you know, what else is difficult? called, you know, I beat that now. What else can I try and beat? I think that's helped me with other things in life. I would 100 % have some serious mental issues and maybe suicidal if I didn't have my thing. You know, and you think can't be constantly work. You know, like that does keep you busy, but I always find that wears off over a certain period. Right, you need a passion. Yeah, have a passion, find something, you know. And if you don't have a passion, you should healthy.

2:35:30Yes. Yes. And if you don't have that passion, Then yeah the whole exercise like go on an out of your way to exercise. Yeah, it feels shit at the time But then afterwards you're like oh fuck I got that done, you know, I feel great You know, I'm looking forward to you got to look forward to life But then you got to do it all over again the next day. That's where people have a hard time. I I'm not saying shit I don't exercise. I just hunt and work and keep busy like well that is exercise though Hey, you're doing it so often if I didn't do it then I would exercise, you know And I always feel fit, like I'm in my 40s now, and just like this last trip, I'm like this is gonna kill me.

2:36:04Like I haven't been in the fucking Rocky Mountains for four years, but it's like, you hit day four, day five, and it's just like, you're used to it. Oh, you're loving it, you know what I mean? It's just, it is, but I think people don't find that thing. And it can't be just going out, getting drunk all the time. I think that wears off, and the next day you feel like, shit, it's gotta... I don't think people have the knowledge. They don't know what it is that they're interested in, and they don't have the time to find a thing. That's what's unfortunate. I've seen people come in the bow -earning and drop straight out of it, but it's because they're looking for their thing and it's not bow -earning.

2:36:37You know, it's not hunting and then I've seen guys like that, I follow them on social media obviously after meeting them and I see them move through different things, you know, and some people might be able to stick to one thing too, so they do a lot of things. I've always thought if I never discovered bow -earning, would I be like mad in the surf and instead, you know? And you get to go to all these different places. You don't see different places. Like there's more to it than just catching a wave. Right. Like catching a wave is your bull elk on the ground. Yeah. But there's all the rest of it in between, you know, that you get to do like, like find something that takes your places.

2:37:12And find something that's complex that makes you concentrate on getting better at it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Like how hard is bowing? It's fucking hard to shoot. Like you never fucking master it. No. You never master it. No. You just get better at it and it's constant. It's never ending and you always have to practice. Practice constantly. And so like I build a lot of things, you know, and it's the same because you never actually master it. There's so much to building something. What do you build in the table? A house. Like there's so much in between. So it keeps me busy. It keeps my mind ticking.

2:37:46It keeps me muscles going, blood flowing, things like that. So I think that's the other reason why I like that. not just at a manly thing to do. Well, I think human beings are designed to do things, and we're designed to have puzzles and complex things, whether it's playing chess or whatever it is. Like human beings need things that are complex. It helps fuel you. It helps keep you going. And it gives your mind something that it can focus on, which is what we need. And it used to be survival. It used to be just, I mean, your mind is designed to try to hunt, gather, find food and fend off enemies.

2:38:21That's what it used to be, fend off predators. And now you're stuck in a cubicle all day, and you're slowly going mad, because your body does not get any of the things that it needs, your mind does not get any. I couldn't do it either. I know people have to do it, because that is their survival right now. Right. The society we live in, and I always say it, it's not my design, like this is not how I'd have society. I don't think it's how anybody would design it. It's not anyone's design, but it's like, fuck, If you want to do that, you need a vehicle to travel. I need fuel, I need time for work, so I have to work.

2:38:57I have to make money. So then people get stuck in that. So their survival is, because they're paying bills and everything is working in that cubicle, which fucking seems disastrous for the mind. Oh, terrible. Fucking traffic's disastrous for the mind. Oh, that's terrible. Unnatural environment. It's such a weird, it is such a weird setup and system. But we're all in it and we've just got to adapt and get on with it. But it's like, what are you going to do or what are you aimed towards? Originally when I went into business is because I was like, I want to hunt, but when I go away hunting for a couple of weeks, there's no money coming in.

2:39:36How am I able to go hunting and still be financial? And it's like, well, I'll start a business. I have people working for me. I'll set that up, you know, put the years in to do that to get to a point where I'm like, I can hunt. Money does keep coming in. So it's like people need to find what, like what's their vision and aim towards it. You know, whether you're successful, unsuccessful, leisure aiming towards something, you know. But it is hard. And I feel for these people that are stuck in a cubicle or in a situation they don't want to be in, you know, and it's just like, where's the light at the end of it for them?

2:40:10Not everybody's going to make it out. But enough people that are listening to this are realizing they have to do something. And it's conversations like this are important because they hear that and they go, God damn it, this resonates with me. I got to figure it out. I got to find something that I do that's different. Yeah, and it does, like I think a big thing is it doesn't happen overnight. And I was like, people, even me, you know, and I'm like, no, we're near famous as a bloody anyone you have on here, you know, but I'm sure you get a lot to, whereas people think they can just jump into that situation, but it would have taken you years and years to get to the point that you're at now.

2:40:47It would have taken you years and years to get to the point of even when you first had a podcast. And they don't see that background story, you know, because it's if you go through my Instagram, you just see all the glory bits, generally, I try and show everything. But anyone's Instagram, you just see all the glory bits and you don't see that big gap in between, that was fucking hell. You know, and it was like, you know, I've been I've been broke. I've had no fucking money starting the business and then I've had all those struggles I've had all those stresses that you don't see yeah you just see Adam Greentrout hunting or if I can live in life and it's just like Yeah, it took so much to get there here So everyone today wants something to happen very quickly.

2:41:26They do yeah short attention span and they want results instantly They want six minute abs, you know, they want to lose weight in 30 days They want all that That's me. That's me. You lose them weight, bitch. I'm just like, I'll just eat clean for the next week and blah, blah. I think that doesn't do shit. But if you look at things have like little goals, like tiny little goals, even if it's like, today I'm gonna research this. And have a real goal. That's what's also important. Right down that goal, right down a checklist of things you're gonna do that day and do those things. That's a hundred percent.

2:42:01A giant factor in my life. And you just keep eating a little bit of it off and the next minute you got the whole pie. Yes, next thing you know, like, oh my God, I've done this for 480 days now. Look how much different I feel. Yes, I love, it was just a little real or something. And it was about if you spend this much time a day doing something that in so many years, you're a professional at it. I can't remember exactly how it went, but all it is is just saying what you said, you've got this big goal, you know, you've got the picture and it's written down and it's like every day or each week or each month you keep tapping a bit of that away.

2:42:41Knowing that at some point you're going to be there where you want to be. And it's like the once you've done it it's easy to think back on because you've already done it. I'm even talking about multiple things because you've already been at that point. You've already gone through that shit and you know what's on the other side of it. You know, And that's like I sum up hunting like that as little bit, you know, I've done enough of those horrible backcountry elk hunts that you know, at some point, even if you're not successful, you still succeed in yourself. You still grow. And that's the end and goal and result for me.

2:43:17But because I've done it before, I already know it's coming. So it's easier to keep going through that shit. Kim's never been through that. She hasn't killed a bull. She hasn't had an opportunity to shoot a bull. So she's not enjoying those weeks in the mountains, but I know it's on the back end of it. And I'll say it every time, I've always been successful. I'm waiting to not be successful because that'll be even better for me. Like in here, what I'm chasing and mental health, not being successful will even be better. Because you drive you even further. Exactly. What's the next year like? Or what's the year after that?

2:43:53Give me a couple of unsuccessful times. to have some success to get to that point. Yes, I wanted to fail. Kim hasn't had that. You know, my first elk hunt was on a big ranch in New Mexico. And I was seeing bulls every day, it was sweet. You know, and it was still a hard hunt. You hunt with the bow. Right. And then I killed one and it's like, oh, sweet. And then next year I'm like, I'll do this over the counter thing. Fucking can haunts, you know, like that. You know, that's what all cam used to do. So it's like, I want to experience that and a bit more like Australia, We just out on your own doing your thing and I went through hell on that first back country hunt and I killed one on the last day Like day 30 or something like that But I'd already then I'd done that and I had all the feelings and I'm like I want that feeling again You know back to doing that.

2:44:39Yeah, and it's the same with a business You know, I've had seven or eight businesses now And I know what then resolved is if you keep putting in so it's easy to start another business and keep going forward Someone that hasn't done that just this isn't successful. This is too hard You know, it's just like, but that's also what separates the men from boys. Yeah. Yes, it does. I've been unsuccessful in business too before. Once you get past that point, it's actually not a bad feeling because you know what not to do. You've got that experience, you know, and we're not all the same and not everyone can have a business.

2:45:10Not everyone will have a business because I know people that just like their nine -to -five job, and they get paid every week, they don't have to stress about chasing clients, bills, any of that stuff. So there is, there's different people too, you know. But those people also need something that interests them. They do and hopefully it's not sitting on the fucking couch being shit food, watching TV and drinking beer. And it's like, and you see so many people stuck in that cycle, you know? Yeah. But if they're happy, fuck it, good on them. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Hey, we need someone, we don't. They all the people that lined up for COVID injection straight away or not.

2:45:48I just think, I just think humans, are inherently tribal hunter -gatherers. And I think there's certain human reward systems that are deeply ingrained in our DNA. And you can either accept those and find some way to satisfy those needs or you can live a life of misery. Or with a thorough call, we said that most men live lives of quiet desperation. Yeah, yeah. You don't wanna be one of them. No, I held none. That's most men. Yeah, it's most people, but it's not you having a good dream. I can't do it. I can't either. I can't do it. And it does upset me when I do see people doing it. But there are different make and a different model.

2:46:27But it's true, too. But it is. It's sort of like, fuck, do this. You can't speak to everybody. But what you're saying is speaking to a lot of people. That's what's important. My brother, it's always good to see you. You too, my friend. Thanks for coming out here. How long are you in town for? I mean, I've got about another week and a half or so. Oh, okay. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna get you into waste of well. and see if they could do something with your heel. Really, that would be sad. Yeah, now let I know that you're here. Okay. Legend. Thank you brother. Good to see you my brother. All right, bye everybody.

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