#2067 - Dave Smith

42:22I miss read that and I what I said I didn't actually mean I wasn't agreeing with you. Oh no, I disagree with you You know, so it's like You know, it's not unforgivable. It's not like he tweeted something like that. He replied to somebody else saying yeah, that's right Yeah, he you know, but I agree with you. It was not it was not good and that probably that will get you heat when you're that big and famous of a person No matter what with what's going on? Yeah, so then he scores points on the other side by saying that agreeing that that phrase from the river to the sea Palestine will be free that that is implying genocide.

42:57He's saying Yeah, I mean, I look there's definitely people who say it who mean that by it I don't know it. I don't know it. People that get interviewed when they're they're chanting and then these people interview them like What do you mean by to which river and which sea like what are you saying? And they're like what why you asking me questions Like I'm just trying to find out like what river are you talking about and what seed is it go to yeah, but dude This is this is protest in general because I remember videos of um the the march for our lives Uh when they were marching in for gun control They had like these big protests up in Boston and stuff and they'd go around interviewing them and just ask them You know, they'd be like so uh, you know, what is it that what policy do you want?

43:37They're like we want a ban on assault weapons and be like what's an assault weapon And then you already see them being like um Well, dude's the scary ones. Joy Bayhara was on the view Talking about shooting a deer with an AR there'd be nothing left to the deer She's and she should have no idea just has no idea five five six is small round yeah, yeah, yeah, ARs don't shoot a big round It's not like a 300 wind mag. It's not like a big rifle round. It's uh, it's a fairly small round Huge percentage of these guys because this is like so many times I've seen people make this mistake a huge percent of them think the air 15 is a machine gun Like they you know what I mean like there yeah a lot of them don't just looks like a tactical gun And there's some people that like don't like the idea of using it for hunting Because it's a semi automatic, but realistically a semi automatic is more ethical For hunting than a bolt action revolver right right right bolt action takes too much time to reload So if you hit an animal and then you want to hit it again while you can still see it You want to be able to go bang bang You want to be able to get a second shot into that animal it's more humane right right So it's really a very well good gun except for the round the round is not like that heavy One of the real problems in the gun control debate is that which kind of makes sense by the nature of it But the people who are on the side of gun control tend to not light guns And not be around guns right But then the problem is that you're having a debate about something that you just don't know Anything about sure like saying that an AR 15 would be terrible Like keep people guilty of deers with way bigger rounds.

45:12Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's just uh statement out of ignorance Now by the way, that's not a blanket statement for everyone like there are people who are for gun control Who know a lot of that guns but generally speaking yes the people who support that tend to be the ones Who aren't around guns don't know people with guns live in blue cities Where the only people who have guns are criminals and cops yeah, but it's one of those things where you Have an opinion and that opinion is oftentimes just An opinion that you have adopted from your ideology There's like a predetermined pattern of opinions and behavior that you've adopted This is acceptable for my tribe and you know and you say AR 15 You don't even have to know anything you just tell people all you're gonna blow that deer to smithereens It's gonna be nothing left.

46:00Yeah, and then the other the major to me like the major problem I think this is kind of like the fundamental libertarian insight is that people remove themselves from what they're actually advocating for When they're advocating for like laws against things right and so you in in a lot of people's minds When they're advocating for gun control what they're advocating for is like less mass shootings Right, you know what I mean like that's what I want. I want less mass shootings. We hear is how we get it It's a same same thing when people advocate for a criminalizing drugs or prostitution or whatever it might be What they're advocating for their mind is like I want less drug use or I want less of it But also reality is what but the reality is and this is what I mean But the libertarian insight is that what you're actually advocating for is that men with guns Throw human beings in a cage for the crime of possessing a gun Not doing anything to anybody not violating anybody's rights But just and in this country all throughout this country We have people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of just owning a weapon Like many in many cases for self -defense in many cases They were just doing it because they wanted to protect themselves You could bring you could just have a gun and bring it across a state line Which in many cases people live right on the border and cross state lines all the time going to work or going on a friend's house or something And the crime of having that gun and bringing it over this state can land you like a 15 -year jail sentence And so even it's true with with drugs and with all of this stuff the real question when you're talking about writing laws against something Shouldn't be like how do you feel about that thing?

47:38It should it should be like are you willing to throw another human being in a cage for that and Basically, I think if you really ask yourself that and you're a decent person you get to a place of like The only thing that it would be morally acceptable to throw a human being in a cage for is a violent crime where somebody is victimized or Some type of like property crime You've like you burning made -off shit Well, yeah, I mean because stealing from people or just like burning somebody's house down You know like stealing their money from them because when you steal when you take somebody's property That like it may not by the technical letter of the The statement be a violent crime, but you have violated them in some sense like you in a sense like if you if you work all day And you make X amount of dollars for that and then I steal X amount of dollars from you.

48:30I basically stole your day Like I almost retroactively enslaved you yeah for a day that you just worked for me against your well So those but outside of that Outside of like property crimes and violent crimes There's just like I just think there's no moral case that we should throw human beings in in a cage over it no matter how much you don't like Their their behavior or their actions. There's a lot of problems right one of the problems is that it's profitable to put people in cages That's sure with everything in this world When it becomes profitable they figure out a way to justify whatever the fuck they have to do whether it's lie about side effects or lie about The dangers of certain food additives or lie about the effective pesticides or herbicides whatever the fuck it is They've always shown that they will find a way to justify what even if they if it's the sugar industry Bribing scientists to pretend that saturated fat is the problem.

49:24Yep. They will find they'll find a way if money's involved So if money's involved in that why would it be any different and it's not well right? So and this is basically kind of the beauty of free market capitalism which we have so distorted with this kind of giant crony capitalist system that we live under is that in a in a free market You're it if there's no government involvement and you're in a free market There's still all of those incentives that you're talking about though all these companies want to make as much money as possible But what it kind of does is channel that into something where like all right How do we make as much money as possible?

50:04Well, you got to make something that people really want to buy you got to make something that they really want You know what I mean? And that I'm not suggesting there can't be any corruption in that type of system But once you get the government involved in it now the way the the way to make the most money is to force things on people You get the government to write a rule and now the people have no choice And so these incentives that can somewhat exist in harmony With doing good for society in some conditions is now totally corrupted right like it's totally So even if you think about something with like let's say there's a you have like the vaccine or a vaccine or something like that and Theoretically there's no collusion between the government and pharmaceutical companies and you want to get people to take Your vaccine Well, you're going to have to like convince them that it's really good for them You're going to have to sell them on like no look at look at this data look at how many how much this reduced the you know The rate of death from this look at all this great information about the vaccine But if you have the government involved then you're like well, you know what?

51:04Just go lobby the government to make it mandatory Then then we'll rake in profits. That's that's so much more of a profitable direction to go And so you know this all these things get corrupted and particularly Today we just um, you know the size of the US federal government is that's the biggest organization in the history of the world And there's nothing even there's not even a close second and it's got survival instincts Yeah, it doesn't want to give up ground. It doesn't want to give up power Well, this is to keep expanding once more funding for its projects It wants to hire more people to deal with something in an incompetent way And it's not like the free market where it like if it's incompetent Like this going to be a competitor that comes along does a better job and you're going to lose the market No, you ever look at the um if you look at like the uh the list of the richest counties In in America and they're like I forget the exact numbers.

51:56It's like it's all obvious Well, it's like 10 of the they're all not all but the vast majority of them are right outside Washington DC And right outside New York City And so like what is that this is that is that capitalism? Do you go to Washington DC and you go oh there's all there's more millionaires there than there are in any other part of the world In the suburbs around Washington DC is that because there's great big factories and they're making so much stuff that everyone wants to buy It's like no that's because our centralized federal government spends over six trillion dollars a year And where does that money go?

52:28It goes into all the people who are connected to government and why is it outside of New York City? Is it because in New York City? They have great big factories where they're making all the things that everyone wants? Like no, and that's not because of capitalism That's because Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard And now it's just this phony casino wall street money. So it's everybody All the people at the top who are making all of this money. They're not making it be one thing if you are If you're like a John D Rockefeller before you've got and colluded with the government and you're you created standard oil And now there's this big oil company and you're making the country richer by this But they're not making the country richer.

53:04They're extracting wealth out of the rest of the population It's all just extracted. I mean literally the federal spending is extracting wealth out of people by taxing them And then spending it is literally taking the money from people who work and giving it to politically connected people And then the the wall street money is just printing money And then making your dollar less valuable so just in another way extracting wealth from the people And this is basically why we live in this populist moment right now where so many people are so freaking furious At the establishment Because they're right to be they're right to be it's a shit system It's a shit scary system that you can never beat if it gets to make its own rules Well, it's not what it's and it's not what America was supposed to be.

53:51It's you know, it's so wild Stock market is such a wild idea that it's based on confidence and you you bet on companies Yeah, essentially betting on buying and selling and you can recommend you can own them And you know, and there's people that just play that game all they do is like chase after businesses short businesses You could short a country. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's pretty it's pretty wild and all crazy gambling But this is also you know like to go back to like Ron Paul stuff This was like at the center of his campaign. I don't think anybody else Outside of like the libertarian party will we'll put up candidates who like talk about this stuff But Ron Paul was the only one like in a major party who got like a huge The amount of traction behind him But where he was like look this is all like when you go when you have a fiat currency system And you go off of any type of gold standard or anything that kind of limits the government's ability to just print As much money out of thin air as they want to you get this thing where we live in a cycle of constant inflation And this is something that people don't put that much thought into like you know When you're talking to your grandma or something and she's like in my day a bottle of coke was a nickel We just take that almost as like yeah, well, that's how it works Things over time get way more expensive That's just how because that's been so just how we've always experienced life That it's just a given that everything's always going to be a little more expensive And we may have a bad year where things are like 9 % more expensive And then maybe we'll have a better year where things are only 2 % more expensive But it's always going in this direction But that's not a law of nature That doesn't just have to be that way and in fact if you looked at like from the year Say 1800 to the year 1900 Somebody talking to their grandparents would have had the complete opposite Uh thing they would have been like oh my god.

55:37It was so much more expensive when I was young and now things are getting cheaper And in fact The natural tendency in a society that's developing The natural pressure is for things to get cheaper because if you just think about it right like you get more efficient at making them You get you know what I'm saying like you get you get more efficient at making them You can make more things with less manpower that would naturally put a downward pressure on prices But because the government keeps printing money the value of the money goes down And so we live in the system where things get more and more expensive But then when you have that right and then you have all types of government incentives on top of that right So it's like okay first of all You're gonna if you just hold your money because this is what people used to do many generations ago Was the idea of just saving your money You save it, but if you just save your money today Joe you're a sucker Because of this system right like if you just hold your dollars You're well, you're just losing money actively So you gotta be chasing interest in order to just not lose money You have to be chasing an investment You know what I mean?

56:37You have to be like gambling on something and so now and then of course There's also other like tax incentives where like you you can kind of defer taxes if you invest in things And so you're kind of like pushed into you know like well put it in your 401k put it in this put it in that and then you won But just think about that like logically aside from being really good for rich bankers Why would you think that it's a good for like in average you know say like couple who's just like working and making money They don't know anything about stocks and bonds and trading for you know exchange traded funds and what to invest in and what not Why would you say that you you should be working No, you shouldn't be working and saving a little bit for your for your retirement What you should be doing is gambling You should always be gambling your money constantly isn't that sound financial advice gamble and gamble on something that you don't understand Right and you've done no research on yeah trust someone works on Wall Street Do you remember that time about a year or so ago where bank started failing?

57:39Mm -hmm remember that about spooky that was yeah where bank started going under and there was a real concern that it would cause it You know a cascade they were very very concerned about that. Yeah, and it didn't but it got close and we had never heard about that many back I mean there was a savings in loan crisis. Remember when a bunch of those places went under. Yeah I remember that I found out about that because Vinnie Pazienza the boxer lost a bunch of money in one of those oh really Yeah, like you know, I think his life earnings I think you lost a shit load of money like quite a few people have lost a lot of money in these fucking things Yeah, banks go under yeah, and suddenly you lose everything like what?

58:15You don't have my money well, and I was in 2008 that was that was the big one You know in 2008 and they really set a precedent there with that kind of too big to fail Inavlogic where if that's true that the banks are too big to fail and then you bailed all of them out And now they're bigger than they were then Then they're really too big to fail now, right? So it kind of perpetuates this idea that we listen the banking system and everybody kind of knows this The banking system is built on a house of cards And it could collapse at any moment and if it does The federal government's gonna have to come rob you of your money to give to a bunch of bankers again That's our system.

58:56That's our financial system and The CEOs of those banks still got bonuses. Oh, yeah. Yeah They said they had to give them bonuses otherwise they would leave and go other places and it shows it shows a real Like a roading of something completely different than the political system just our culture that there wasn't at least like Like enough shame of those people to just go yeah, I'm gonna not take my bonus this year Because I don't want to get my right through the streets and like killed by the citizens of this country I don't want to feel like that and it's not as if these people didn't already have Tens of millions of dollars like they really needed their bonus from this year Like little Timmy isn't gonna get his thanks getting to yeah, it's like no, I want a fifth yacht.

59:42Yeah, it's like that level Yeah, but the whole banking system is it what's the um Oh, man, I'm gonna get this or what's the Christmas movie where they kind of go over fractional reserve banking Uh, is it it's a wonderful life or the one where they're like Where they all come into the bank? There's like a bank run and they want their money and he's like oh But don't you see your money's over here at Frank's farm and then his money's over there and that's how but like uh I can't remember which one it was but anyway, was that also wonderful life? Is that what it was? Yes, I think it was a wonderful life.

1:00:11Oh, maybe not that's moving. Yeah, yeah It's an old one but they're go but the whole system of Fractional reserve banking is really kind of this fascinating Like thing because everybody still kind of has in their mind that if you you kind of have in your mind that the money in your bank account is your money And that you're holding it That they're holding it for you, but that's not right. That's not what's going on And if you ever actually read like the contract that you sign when you open Uh, checking account that's not what it is. It's more like Your loaning money to the bank and they owe that money to you But they don't have to give it to you.

1:00:51They you could legally speaking you could walk in tomorrow To a bank. I mean no one actually walks up to a teller anymore It's a wonderful life is in a Christmas movie. It's a banking movie. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, so that is the scene. I was right about that. Okay But so you you could walk into the bank tomorrow and you're checking you know account balances whatever say it's $5 ,000 And you could go I'd like to take out $2 ,000 and they can say no You can't have it now they owe it to you Technically, but they don't have to give it to you. They're not just holding it for you to give to you on demand Now the system hasn't collapsed so they will give that to you today if you walk into a bank But would if too many people come in and they want too much money?

1:01:31Well, they don't have it Yeah, is the point so when you open a bank account and I don't know exactly what the reserve rates are now because I know they did change this during COVID But for a while it was 10 Was the what the federal reserve set as the reserve That you had to put away so when you come into your bank and you give them a hundred dollars to open a checking account just to make it an easy number They they hold ten dollars and they loan out 90 dollars and now so they they'll loan that money out And so essentially they owe you a hundred dollars But the the effect of this right is that now there's this this guy So let's say you open the account with a hundred dollars Now there's another guy who takes out a loan for 90 dollars and you're now in the economy and kind of like you think you have a hundred dollars And he thinks he has 90 dollars But really there's only there's not a hundred and ninety dollars.

1:02:22There's only a hundred dollars that you get what I'm saying But here's where it gets even crazier than that This guy doesn't just hold his 90 dollars He goes and puts it in the bank And so the bank holds 10 % of that money and then loans out 90 % of that to somebody else Who then puts that money in the bank and then they take 10 % of so when you actually look at the effect of it There's like not nearly as much money in the bank as we all think we have in the world So essentially if everybody came into the bank or even just too many people came into the bank and said we'd like to withdraw our money There's nowhere near enough money for them to give you So inherently the whole thing is kind of a house of cards It's like when you're going to a stadium and try to use your cell phone you realize there's no signal Even though you have five bars right because everyone's using their phone So there's no signal for you.

1:03:16You can't get online. You can't make a phone call Right like this thing only works if we're not all trying to do it at the same time But if we do then we're in a lot of trouble. Yeah Yeah, cell phone towers get overwhelmed And they're fucked Yeah And you realize I didn't realize that before right Well, oh yeah, yeah, I have Dude even just the other like a week ago I was on a flight where the uh just like the Wi -Fi was out And so just like your phone's useless now, you know And it's just it is such a weird feeling when you're just like I guess I'll look on this TV thing now just connected like it's like it's like you're almost instantly zoomed into Like 15 years ago or something like that.

1:03:59It came back down to be excited. Let me check what I got. Yeah Yeah, yeah, but it's but there was something kind of you know There is something kind of nice about it not putting your phone away for a little bit and just doing the old thing Oh, yeah, no something very nice about it It's unfortunate, but we're moving in that direction further and further and we're not coming back Oh, and you just got there's no fighting that you know when we were talking earlier about the gun control argument I think that is one of those other red and blue Discussions where if you were on one side you're like we got to take all the guns away and it's which is so crazy short -sighted It's the I mean it sounds like a fucked up things to say but if things got way worse It could protect you from tyranny like it it's happened in the past It's a it's a real issue and to think it's not a real issue is so crazy It might not be a real issue with the current administration But to give people more and more power as they acquire more and more power And then you see what happens in other countries that can happen here kids.

1:04:56It can happen anywhere It is a way human beings behave But one of the things that is always stunning to me is this willingness This desire to ignore The fact that almost all these shooters are on psychiatric medications And if you bring that up Somehow or another you're a conspiracy theorist we are literally talking about chemicals that alter the way your mind works And there seems to be some connection whether it's because Only a crazy person would wind up being a mass shooter maybe right maybe that's it But the fact that there's no discussion of maybe there's a connection Can it be it it also might be because I don't know if if we actually know this or like if you're drug testing These shooters after but it could be also like being on this medication and then suddenly going off of the medication You know like it's hard to tell but that's still a concern about the medication itself It's also like how are you going to make sure this person isn't going off it if that's the issue You can control it right and then but look even on a lot of these like SSRI Psychotropic drugs they'll they'll say in the disclaimer like side effects can be like Depression thoughts of suicide things like this like there are that we're messing with chemicals in your brains And they're saying well for the most part we think it makes people feel less depressed But there are some people who would actually makes feel more depressed And then they'll even put suicidal thoughts on there And so you're like are you telling me that it's a crazy leap to think that if a drug might make you have suicidal thoughts It might make you have homicidal thoughts Because that is that crazy to say and then you know and look obviously like you're what you're saying here is like there's There's kind of like a circular Like aspect to the argument because you could also make the point that you're like oh no the reason why so many of these Mass shooters are on these drugs is because they're the type of people who would need these drugs But there's at least something to look at there where it's like yeah, but is it possible that the drugs itself are making this worse because look We just when it comes at least to the school shooting, you know stuff We did not have this problem before There was a time in American history when this just was not happening And it was a time before we had this these drugs So there's at least at least raises the question of is it possible that this is actually what's going on and then how exactly can it be that like What like through all of human history it was just wrong and the truth is that children must be medicated Like children must be on drugs as they're being raised up and it is it is um Criminal it is criminal how quickly the vast majority of of uh Psychiatrists will just prescribe a little boy Uh, Adderall or you know, I think that's more popular than Ritalin now or whatever the other one that new one That's the kind of like Adderall is now.

1:07:55They'll just put them on drugs like I can't sit still Put them on drugs drug them That like you're not even talking about like like perhaps there is an argument to that there are there are certain people I think who need to be on medication. I mean I've known people who have like a bipolar disorder and like if they don't take this medication They're going to be in a very bad place, you know what I mean Um, but the idea that just like every little boy who can't sit still needs to be drugged Well, that's just insane if you've paid attention to the relationship between pharmaceutical drugs and the salespeople And then the doctors and the the cozy relationship that these people all have And you realize like well, there's a lot of money to prescribe in these drugs and is disgusting as that sounds People are willing to put people on drugs.

1:08:42They may not even need that could have detrimental effects if it can be profitable And I think one of the things certainly I learned this in a very personal way Um over the last few years And I think probably a lot of people listening did too is that a lot of doctors are let's just say Totally reliant on whatever the institutions say And they will then come out in their white coat and be like I totally recommend this medication and it's just because One of these major institutions said it they're trusting them They have not done their own independent research on this at all I'm not sure if it's like how many cases it's because they're corrupt and it's actually that's profitable for them to do this Or how many of the cases they've just kind of like Accepted that the experts have them they themselves have accepted like the experts have figured this out And so it doesn't hurt that I'm making money off of this too, but I'm going to tell you to do this But I had this experience um with with doctors telling me to Not only telling me to get the covid vaccine, but telling me to give it to my little children Um starting it with my my boy was only a little over six months When they were or telling me to give him the covid vaccine and then I'm arguing with the doctor about it And I'm dominating him in the argument like he hasn't read half the shit that I've read about this And he has no response to like the the points that I'm bringing up and it's just very eye -opening to be like Damn man like I always just kind of trusted that my doctor knew more about medicine than I do And if he's recommending something it's because he's looked into it and knows that this is a you know Why is recommendation?

1:10:19There's a lot of good doctors for sure There's a lot of doctors that are not paying attention and don't give a fuck and are just working and shuffling patients in another offices And they're in debt and then on top of that they're probably medicated The people that I know I know a couple people that are doctors that are shockingly medicated Like they'll tell me that they're on this and that and that and this and this one for that and that one for this This is a moot stable. I was like whoa Yeah, so are you just like experimenting are you like Going to your friends also the doctor and saying let's try that out.

1:10:54Let's try this out Well, it's crazy if you're just prescribing medication to people wouldn't it be Even normal for you just to be taking a bunch of medication. Yeah, well, I guess so but dude I know I mean I know a lot of people. I'm sure you do too I bet everyone listening to this knows somebody who I know people who have like gone to therapy the first time Had a 45 minute session and it ends with a prescription being put in their hand Like they've talked to this person for 45 minutes Just had like haven't even gotten to know them at all You know what I mean and just ends with the like here. This is what you're on now We're gonna try around with this and to me that sounds crazy But by the way, I should say just because the point you made and I like when you said there are a lot of good doctors out there I totally believe that too and doctors saved my son's life and those doctors are like the those doctors And nurses are like the greatest people I've ever met in my life and I owe them everything I have like I owe them my house and my You know, everything amazing.

1:11:52Um, so I do I'm not like trying to like say there aren't these amazing people particularly what's touched my life the most is like Pediatric cardiologists and cardiac surgeons and stuff like that are Preach and incredible Neon Excuse me Nikki nurses are literally the best group of people I've ever met in my entire life So I'm not like trying to disparage the entire medical community It's just that there are so many like of your kind of Family doctors pediatricians things like that who will just tell you to get your kids give your kids the covid -vax when there's no solid argument for that And we passed the point when there even could have been an argument for that on top of that They fired those nurses that weren't willing to get vaccinated.

1:12:34Yeah, even the ones that had had covid and got through it Even the ones who were really good at tiktok dances. They all got out. They all got out They fucking knew They knew that it imparted natural immunity and they're like no you got to be a part of the marked team Yeah, you gotta get marked And the good thing on the good side the craziest thing about that was that many of these these nurses at the point right because when when they were When the point when they were firing them Was already well into 2021 I mean it must have been like in the summer of 2021 when that started happening And so these people had been working around covid positive people since Prat what at the latest January of 2020 they went through so worst of it when there was no treatments available So 100 % of these nurses had either had covid and gotten over it or figured out how to protect themselves from getting covid by being you know like super careful with you know like and 95 masks and washing their hands and stuff Even that there's probably their antibodies.

1:13:35It's probably their system that fought it all Yes, but I'm just saying none of them have not figured out how to like Work under the conditions of the reality of of covid 19 And so to then at that point and it was just what was amazing about it And it shows you a little bit about how the propaganda machine works is that the propaganda starts with and this happened several times throughout covid right Where the propaganda starts being oh the nurses are the heroes The every day at 6 p .m. In New York City We're gonna open our windows and clap for them while we're all locked down because they're the health care workers And they're really on the front lines of this battle And then as soon as you're not compliant With with with the latest requirements of the regime your life's ruined Yeah, there's no room for nuance.

1:14:18There's no room for oh you've had it Then you don't have to get it because then you're gonna sell less vaccines right it's really that simple But there's also no loyalty to the like oh weren't they like our heroes last year and they're like no They're not helping the current agenda But you saw that a lot with there's a you can hear Fauci talking in 2020 about how we're never gonna get a vaccine and even if we get a vaccine It's gonna take a decade before we'd know it'd be safe and so that blah blah because he was trying to sell the lockdown regime at the time And so he was saying like no, no, no, no, no, don't think there's gonna be something that gets us out of all of this We have to lock down that's the only way to do it But then as soon as that's that switched and it was like okay now the plan is to push the vaccine It was like no, you have to get the vaccine everybody has to get that no questions.

1:15:02Don't think about it Don't do your own research. I'm your own research. Yeah, do you see what they're doing with soldiers? So you know, they fired a lot of soldiers who weren't willing to take the code vaccine and now they're inviting them back Yeah, well, they're having a big recruitment issue. Yeah, in the military. Yeah, well how many fucking videos do you have of Some Navy soldier in the Navy sailor who is doing a tick -tock and turns into a woman and dances around really like What are Are you in the Navy? Yeah, like shouldn't that shit be not what you're broadcasting like this is like what are you doing?

1:15:39You doing this for attention. Yeah, you would what you all so the Navy you also would think and I'm not inside the minds of everybody who joins the military But I feel like That isn't what most of them get in it for you know what I mean like that would probably turn off a lot of the these uh These young brave boys who want to like join the military and protect the Bill of Rights and defend our country And make sure your sister doesn't get attacked by a terrorist or something and they're not really like the wakest amongst us And uh, yeah, like that might win you some points in like Portland But I don't think that like most of the kids from like rural Texas or Alabama who want to sign up to in list in the military They might be a little bit dissuaded by that culture.

1:16:20I think you're gonna turn them away I'm oh shit the fucking military's gone woke to yeah, it's a bud light thing for the military. Yeah, you know the military went bud light But it is look dude the the COVID stuff and the the woke stuff it all does just like It's like if you just try to like step out of a little benefit and just like observe what's going on It's kind of easy to just be like oh like we're living through a moment of national insanity Yeah, um, let's hope this passes, but this is this is craziness that for almost I think almost anyone else of any other generation it would be very easy to To describe exactly what you're seeing right now.

1:16:59You'd be like oh, this is insanity Well, it's the first time ever where propaganda has encountered new media. Yeah, it's the first time ever So everything seems so insane and if you're a person that's always gone like 100 % mainstream news. That's it. You have narratives in your head like I know a lot of older people They have like very specific CNN or Fox News narratives in their head yet. Well, dude This is this is really to me very revealed with with Israel Though with the war going on over there right now where you see that particular is huge generational gap where it's like the older Generation is like no, I know what I know about this is this and I've always known that it's like The story here is yeah that Israel just wants to exist and then these crazy barbaric Arabs just want to kill them and that's it and but you see amongst the younger generation A lot more of an understanding of that that's not the entire story now I'm not saying they get everything right either, but they at least know that like that's not the whole story Um, but look like well because of people like you that just laid it out and here's the best thing about it What yours and what too many people believe that their side is correct and there's a solution if you really look at the whole thing You go boy that is insanely complicated and it's got such a history of horrific violence now and One of the other things I forgot to ask earlier the the origin of like When it was what what was it originally before it was Israel?

1:18:34What was it named like what's the history of that land? Well, uh, so was it ever a Jewish state before Um, I I don't think a Jewish state but like in biblical times like some the Jews like lived there Right, but like uh, but in the more like recent history So before it was basically it was the Ottoman Empire ruled it for hundreds of years And it was called Palestine, but it was under the control of the Turks of the Ottoman Empire And so that was like I think for four hundred years or something like that they controlled uh the area and then in a so basically Zionism starts in the late 1800s Uh, this is when the first Zionist writer start and it starts uh mostly by uh Or maybe exclusively, but definitely mostly by Eastern European Jews And Zionism was Reaction in my opinion a very understandable reaction to the pogroms Which like dude if you ever want to not be able to sleep at night go read about the history of the pogroms It's the most disturbing thing in the world.

1:19:35I'm not aware of it at all. Okay, so basically there would be Over and over and over again. There were waves of what you would just describe as kind of state Allowed in some cases state sanctioned Um, just waves of mass violence against Jewish people in eastern Europe and if you If you think like the um, you know like if you ever like if you're in the dark recesses of the internet And you see some like anti -Jewish conspiracy and you might kind of like roll your eyes at it and be like this is pretty stupid But the stuff back then It was like like a virus would come in and they would accuse the Jews of practicing black magic And that's why everyone's getting sick from this virus.

1:20:20So like try arguing your way out of that one You know what I mean like years is what time period this is this is happening um all throughout the uh The 1600 1700s and and into the 1800s. It's either waves of it over and over again And it's like I mean, I'm talking about where like they would just storm Jewish areas and like literally the stuff that'll give you nightmares I mean it's like like like just rip your baby apart in front of you rape your wife make you watch and then beat you to death afterward And this happened over and over and over again And so the early Zionists were basically like They were like we can't live like this anymore like we can't live with this just like waiting for the next program to happen So we're not doing this anymore and what we need is a Jewish homeland That was kind of their conclusion and you can totally see where that's a totally reasonable conclusion In the face of that type of of violence now there were lots of other Jews who disagreed with them There were lots of Jews in fact at the time the only opponents of Zionism were Jews because they're the only ones who knew about this plan Anyway, it was only a small group of people But they were kind of like well, no you're You're giving into the same anti -Semitic narrative that we're trying to fight Like because they'd be saying things like look we are different and we need to remove ourselves from society And they're like no, that's what they're saying we disagree with that We just want to be you know members of the the society we live in and give we just want our like equal rights But anyway, the Zionists took off one of the things that's really interesting if you read the early Zionist writings Um, they did not talk much about Arabs this is something Darryl Cooper did a really good job of covering in his series by the way But they were not talking about Arabs they they very rarely mentioned them It was like they they kind of picked Israel because that was the place in their holy book You know what I mean?

1:22:06And that was like the history of oh, this is where we started in Israel like those are our holy sites But none of the early Zionists had been to Israel they are Palestine at the time They had never been to to this area They were just like this is the one in our holy book. So like let's do it there And they they don't talk much about Arabs when they do they speak of them in pretty friendly terms They liked the Ottoman Empire the Ottoman Empire was was a lot cooler to the Jews than the Russian Empire where most of these Jews lived And they liked them the Ottoman Empire tended to let Jews practice their religion and work and stuff like that Um, and so their enemy was Europeans That's in the early Zionist writing the bad guy is the Europeans who keep oppressing us And then they're like look like let's let's they basically started organizing to like let's get people to go move To to Palestine and start a life there and over the years they started to gain Um, some influence over like some really wealthy Jewish financiers to kind of like back This is in what time period?

1:23:05It starts in the late 1800s And then it kind of gets going in the in the first say like 15 years of of the 20th century They start building a little bit of momentum. They start raising more money more Jews start settling in Palestine And things were relatively peaceful there for for the beginning There were like there there were incidents here and there But like relatively speaking the Jews who lived in in Palestine there were there were Arab Christians and Arab Muslims and they lived there and it wasn't like a disaster um, and then things started getting much worse in the during And particularly after the first world war um, there's the Basically so in the first world war the Ottoman Empire Goes to war with the British Empire And uh there were others involved as well, but the Ottomans and the British Empire are fighting each other Um, and it's uh the first world war There's never been anything like it before in human history It's the biggest war at the time ever and it was very in doubt who was gonna win I mean like the German like military was I think viewed as the the toughest at the time certainly there uh their their their subs We're like way more advanced than the other uh countries in there and brit britain britain is a pretty desperate at this point so the british They cut a deal with some of the the Arab nations so the Arabs are are being ruled by the the Ottoman Empire at this point so the british convinced them to rise up and fight Against the Ottoman Empire and then they say if you do that will grant you your independence When the war is over and we've won But then at the same time they also the um released the balfour declaration which is so this is in 1917 This is in the middle of world war one And they they write this balfour declaration to the Rothschilds who were like a crazy rich powerful banking family And because they were they were Zionists and so they write this letter they were pro -the Zionist calls And so he writes this letter that says like um it pleases the king that there should be a Jewish homeland In Palestine so But he also said in the in the declaration that um with respect to the rights of the non -Jewish people there This is kind of egg But it was kind of like the king basically saying like hey We wrote Rothschilds we could really use some money for this war So here's like a declaration that like will support a Jewish homeland in in Palestine And then they also promised promised the French Syria when the war is over so they basically were just promising anyone Whatever they can if you help our war effort and it's just like we got to win this war We'll figure it all out after that.

1:25:54So then after the war there's all of these different groups who kind of feel entitled To it because they were promised and so the British Empire the Ottoman Empire collapses after the war They lose then the British Empire Takes control and they take control from the end of world war one up until 1947 and so the land was You know under the control of European empires for hundreds of years But If you ask me that's not really what counts Like what really counts is like who was living there You know, I've heard again like bench pearo Kind of talk about this before I've heard Laura Lumer who I just debated last week for for zero hedge And they they'll both say they'll use this they'll be like there's no such thing as Palestine And there never was a thing as Palestine you know like and basically what they're saying is that there was never an official government That this is the state government of Palestine It's just something a you a word people use to refer to this strip of land So they they don't have like a right to it because they never had like their government there But to me it's just like I don't know that's the most un -American Like way of looking at that all you got to do is read our Declaration of Independence to know that that's complete bullshit It doesn't matter if that's not what counts doesn't matter if you had a government there Just read the Declaration of Independence and that wipes all of that away.

1:27:18Sorry. Here's the deal We're free because God says so that is self evident and doesn't need any more explanation than that That's look that's literally how the Declaration of Independence starts right it we we determine that it is self evident That God gave us freedom So no argument about that we're free people and governments governments are just this thing that man institutes to protect our freedom And you know what if they're not doing a good job We have every goddamn right and maybe even a duty to overthrow them and create a new one So that destroys that case right there These people are there and they deserve natural rights just like everybody else does and there you know, so anyway The things after this After the Balfour Declaration and after World War One or when things start to get really really tense hold that thought I got to pee sure So we're gonna come back we're gonna come back from World War One.

1:28:08Okay sounds good All right, we're back World War One Okay, well we were at I think the after World War One, right? So here's there's a little interesting uh Detail of history that I always found this really fascinating And so I don't again, I'm gonna give Darrell Cooper credit for this because I knew about this But I totally missed this aspect of it and I think yeah, he covered it in one of it in one of the episodes But so there was a After World War One there was this commission setup called the King Crane Commission And it was it was run by the Americans. I believe if I'm not mistaken on this double double check me people who are listening on this But I believe initially the English and the French were supposed to be on board with it too But they pulled out and it just ended up being the Americans which is really a shame because it probably would have held more weight If they had stayed in it But so the King Crane Commission basically was assigned to go on basically a fact finding mission To the Arab world because they're trying to figure out what we're gonna do with these countries now You know like it's the Ottoman Empire used to rule them.

1:29:12They've collapsed The mentality there too was I mean this is like it's It's a pretty colonial mentality too where it's like I mean obviously these people can't rule themselves So like what are we gonna do? Who's gonna figure it out? You know So they go they go to Syria and Palestine and they basically just interview thousands of people The interview thousands of people trying to figure out what's going on what people want I knew about this because one of the details that I always found really fascinating Which I learned from Tom Woods who's a brilliant historian as an amazing podcast the Tom Woods show That in in the King Crane Commission Syria overwhelmingly Wanted the United States of America to be they asked him who what country would you like to rule over Syria under League of Nations mandate and they overwhelmingly wanted the USA and I just find that to be an interesting thing because it really kind of destroys the whole They hate us for our freedom, you know narrative is like actually know before we started conducting wars in this part of the world They loved us for our freedom They liked that we were viewed as we weren't the imperialist country right like you don't want the English or the French Those guys are jerks, but the Americans they're all about limited government and freedom right that was the perception of us before You know, this is this is World War One.

1:30:30We're not like the Empire yet Um Resort I was thought that detail was interesting, but I did I either I read and forgot or I never read the part that they come back about Zionists and they basically they come back to Woodrow Wilson and they say Point blank that they're just like look this thing in the Belford Declaration about like the idea of a creation of a Jewish state That is also respects the political and civil rights of the Arab population is just not gonna work out And that it's gonna take an overwhelming amount of force to do this They said they think it's gonna be an army of 50 ,000 people in order to force these, you know like Arabs out and create some type of Jewish state And that it's really gonna be and he says to Woodrow Wilson they say Mr.

1:31:16President You should know that if you side with the Zionist project here You're committing not only yourself, but all Americans to the use of force against these people in order to create this state and in order to maintain it And Woodrow Wilson shortly after that has a stroke and uh this advice just doesn't you know like get taken or anything like that But so that's so that's in the immediate aftermath of of World War One Then the British take it over they they rule it through World War Two and then this is where So Before World War Two say in like the 1920s the Zionists are not having that much success There are tiny percentage of the population over in uh In what is Palestine?

1:32:00What is today Israel and the it's um I mean they're living there, but this they're this call for all Jews around the world to move there is really not going good Because it's a totally new world now and the there were a lot of Jews who were very involved With the Bolshevik Revolution And so now it's not the Russian Empire anymore. This is the Soviet Union And the Jews again, I'm not saying any conspiracy like it was the Jews who did communism I mean this is but there were Jews involved in it, you know, lots of them weren't at all But Jews now are like given positions in government and their their religious freedom is is like being respected at this point Stomler turns on the Jews, but at this point he's cool with them So that problem isn't really happening with pogroms in eastern europe anymore This is the roaring 20s now, right?

1:32:52So Jewish people in England Jewish people in in New York City they're doing pretty good So this call of like abandoned your country forget everything you have ever known to go live in a desert You know like just isn't resonating with people and The Zionists are very adamant that they're like no no you don't understand This is the calm But another storm's coming because another storm always comes, you know, like they're just oh you think you're being accepted into this society now But wait and see you're gonna regret your decision to not leave and come here and so and then You have the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s and then the Holocaust in the in the 1940s and So it the Zionists were kind of proven right in a massive way like kind of like see we warned you and now look at you Look what happened, you know, and so this has you know after World War two particularly There's a huge, you know like influx of Zionist settlers into where Palestine is now So now they start actually getting their numbers up to um where they could you know beat like Have a chance at actually creating their their own state And then that takes us kind of to what we what I led with I guess I did this kind of backward here But then start to 1947 when the British Drop the whole thing and then uh, then to you know them then taking over control of 80 % of the land And then 100 % of the land and then all the way up to today and you know like so anyway All of that to get back to like October 7th is it's like You know that was like a horrifically brutal attack and it's just like un it's like unfathomable And I know they you know a lot of people do compare that to the pogroms Um or call that a pogrom But there there is like It is a different situation than what was happening in in eastern europe to juz It's a different situation than what happened under the holocaust it's just you know What was the original hatred from the original hatred in eastern europe?

1:35:02Um, you know that I think it was there was a lot of anti -Semitism I'm not exactly sure in that in that culture what it was that they blamed the juz for I think that the juz were They were a distinct minority who had a different religion and different traditions and kind of like you know what I mean And and I you know, I don't know I'd I'd Have to read into that more like what the stated grievances were But I'm telling you that I know one of them was that when viruses were going around They'd blame the juz for practicing black magic And so I do think some of them were just on that goofy level of it was just like tribalist hatred Did you ever see that really old cartoon?

1:35:44Where at one point in time it was uh A like a Jew dressed as a wolf Oh, what was that like a Nazi wolf chest as a jup - no it was like a fucking like an old Mickey Mouse cartoon. Yeah, I don't know if I've seen this one. I can't remember it. There's some look at this Oh, yeah, wow. It's a wolf dressed as a Jew Look at this So no wasn't a wool yes, see there it is. Oh, it was the wolf pretending to be a Jew. Yes Oh, I took that all the wrong way at first. I thought it was a Jew Pretending to be a wolf Now I get it wolf with a Jew mask on but how crazy is that and this is 1933? Yeah How wild is that yeah, it is it is pretty wild to say Three little pigs 1933 the Jew peddler scene Now didn't they change it in the future and I think in the future they redid it and They turned it into just a wolf.

1:36:56Yeah, so this is the one on the right, see what is the the cleaned up version They stopped having a That was the first iteration of wokeness was they were like yeah, we can't really get away with that Jew thing anymore in a wild It is pretty well you know it's wild about like a that time When you see like the the propaganda that was for adults Clearly at that time But it would be cartoons have you ever seen the one there's the one where it's a Daffy duck not is it daffy duck or wait, I'm confusing the two ducks. It's one of those ducks, but it's a whole like pay your taxes I think is it Donald yes, Donald duck.

1:37:36Sorry. I always get I always get those confused and I got little kids I should be better and then there's the one duck that's like really rich Who's the one that was scrooge McDuck? Yeah, scrooge. Yeah, scrooge. That's right. Yeah, he was his uncle, right But do you ever see the one I'm talking about where it's like pay your taxes? I do believe this one. Yes, let me see that Disney weren't propaganda Well, it's Donald duck versus taxes. It's just haircuts of video looks Wow 1943 Yes, payday Millions of dollars pouring into the hands of the American worker Now in the mind of the average worker live two separate personalities One the thrifty Scrooge wait a bit laddie you're going to save a bit of that Aruncha Oftentimes idle money burns a hole in your pocket which brings out the other The A spend thrift You know, he's a bit I got a couple of good dates But laddie I've got some bitter dates Important ones too American should pay his or her income tax gladly and proudly This year thanks to Hitler and hero Hito Taxes are higher than ever before Will you have enough money on hand to meet your payments when they fall to you?

1:39:11Ah, we take care of that lady It's possible, but you don't know what to forget our fight in men do you? Then you'll have to start saving right away to meet your tax payments Spand Yeah, it goes on I think for a while, but isn't it like is it crazy? This is for grown -ups. Yeah You must save for victory What's money for? Spand it shoot the works Na na na wow Trying to get him to the idle hour club Oh You say and that's what happens when you don't give your taxes you go to the idle hour club It's a swastika for a front door now. Well you didn't pay your taxes support your boys Look, he's got swastikers in his eyes You mean it looks like Hitler oh My god, they gave me a Hitler mustache in the little swoop a swastika for a tie Oh my god This is crazy and then how like Well, you know It was pretty easy to distribute propaganda back then yeah, you could make cartoons for grown -ups and that would convince them Look what they did with reforemandus.

1:40:33Oh, yeah, yeah, we're for madness in the what is it the 30s when they put that out? I think so yeah fuck people up for a hundred years. I know it's and it's amazing that it says something about how different our Cultures though that like that type of propaganda would work back then and how much more sophisticated it has to be today You know like it was like a simpler time. Well now it's a comedy you yeah if you watch reforemandus now It's a comedy like a thing that was meant to terrify you is now unintentionally hilarious Yeah, and just imagine like if people if if someone from like say like you took someone from the 1930s and just showed them Like an action movie today Like like like a high -deaf action movie they'd be like what in the world is this like they just blow their minds You know I mean yeah, like Or you like there used to a movie where it's like ah see now.

1:41:21Yeah, we got a damn comment and then like you just show them this it Like just isn't it also interesting that we accepted a certain very specific way of talking that is completely unnatural for a narrator A narrator to be explaining what is happening to Donald Duck. Yeah, I had a weird fucking DJ voice thing I was watching Recently with my daughter the the original frosty the snowman movie and the movie just opens with some guy You know, it's just like it was it was the voiced snow with a season and all frosty would come up You know what I mean? It's just such a I just found it kind of great because I was like this is just such a lost like thing I'm kind of glad she's seeing this you know what I mean because it's just such a different time and a different you know what I mean like A different voice and it's like it's it's very strange.

1:42:12That's it's kind of cool in a way I mean it is interested in that time period. I mean not so much the Pair tax propaganda that part I don't like but frosty is no man the frosty was cool. Yeah, I got that guy was all right freeze -meister Yeah, over that dude I'm just I'm thinking how would you have seen this in 1943 when it came out? I can probably the movie theaters before something like it just played a bunch of shit. Yeah, I'd imagine these theaters They'd play the news in right theaters I think you go to the movie theater and they would show you what is going on in world war two allied troops They would show you talk about it.

1:42:46But you talk about how easy it would be to just capture the narrative completely back then You know like it's a false flagged. They're so easy to pull off. Yep. Look at the golf at Tomkin. Uh -huh No, so so easy to pull off. Yeah, they they would get away with a lot of that stuff And then you know look it's obviously you know world war Then world war one Like to me world war one is the big one I think Woodrow Wilson's the worst president in the history of the United States of America He did more damage to just the entire world and particularly our country It's the guy you know like I hate him because he created the federal reserve in the income tax Or sign them into law in his administration But he's the one getting us into world war one and this is why my thing isn't like oh, I blame Israel for everything Or I blame the Jews for everything.

1:43:32I blame Washington DC for everything like I really I mean again Not everything bad things happen in the world But there's so much responsibility on on the US federal government because basically world war one was a war that we never should have been involved in It had nothing to do with us It was a war between European Monarchies, you know what I mean battling over who runs the world and all of the advice of all of our founding fathers Was like that's exactly why we're here to not be a part of that right like if you read anything that That Adams or Thomas Jefferson or George Washington said about foreign policy It was all like that is what you do not do do not get into entangling alliances between these despots That's not what we're here for What we're here is to be a city on a hill to have free people, you know that's I mean short as they may have fallen of that vision The whole slavery thing was a pretty big one But regardless that was what they said and then world war one comes along and it's like textbook like yes Don't get involved in this and the war was Basically thought to a stalemate before America got involved and then America got involved and tipped the balances over So much so that not only was it not a stalemate anymore, but they got an unconditional surrender Out of the Germans and then because they got this unconditional surrender They forced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans and totally like just you know Devastated Germany and humiliated them in front of the world and then that's the ground by which the Nazis rise up And then that's the ground by which we're in a second world war, you know what I mean And so and then these two things the first world war in the second world war It's just the biggest bloodbaths in human history just goddamn horrific I mean, you know you think if we if we think now oh, it's it's kind of depressing how bad things are going in this area Or this area.

1:45:20I mean man nothing is like the two world wars that we fought in the 20th century nothing just nothing Just people by the tens of millions dying I mean just to put in perspective and this this assault on Gaza is pretty damn awful And what are the estimates like 10 ,000 people died there? It's that's horrific And I don't know if those numbers are exactly right or not a lot of that does come from Hamas So I don't know but a lot of people are dying thousands of people are dying for sure for sure But by the tens of millions people were dying in the world wars and it's just like the it's on a level you can't even fathom Right, but the real fears that that could escalate again and then we could have something like that again And it's much more scary now Well, yes, but the prospect of a world war is we have You know much more power and much more devastating military weapons than we ever did So yeah, you really want to avoid one now even more than you wanted to avoid it there But I mean basically I'd say that it's just like Right and look when you say there's the threat of it spreading to a wider conflict It's no question about that.

1:46:20I mean you got you got Hezbollah right there in Lebanon They're strong fighting force man and they really hate the Israelis because Israel occupied them for a while And they successfully drove Israel out of southern Lebanon and you've got a ran of course who the Israelis have Have hated for years and they hate them right back to and there's been a whole bunch of people in Washington DC who have been Have been dying for a war with Iran for a long time now I mean they wanted that war in Iran under George W Bush. They didn't get it But they this was if you know we always go back to that um Wesley Clark The plan of all the countries they were gonna topple Iran is the last one and they say that he says that specifically ending with Iran Like that's the goal, you know And so you have them in the region you have you know the the Saudi Saudis in the region You know there's all but the Houthis now who have have are Flirting with joining into this conflict against Israel.

1:47:15So there's a whole like possibility for this to spread to a wider war And I just think that it's like The response so far from Israel and the response from the US government of basically saying yeah Well, we're gonna back them no matter what they do is the most dangerous way to handle this because you are really now um Risking this thing escalating and getting out of control and if you want an actual solution to this I just the only way to actually do it is you just like You just got to let these people go you just got to let them be free and I'm not saying that there's no I'm not like some type of hippie on this I'm not saying that like there should be no violence as a response to October 7th I mean obviously Israel has every right after that to try to kill those people who who came and did that to them Obviously, I think first you try to negotiate all the hostages out which there is some attempt to be to being done right now But they have every right to like find those people and kill them But you should do it in a way that absolutely leads to the least amount of civilian casualties possible and not talking this rhetoric about flattening Gaza Doing whatever it takes To get rid of Hamas, which is like what okay?

1:48:27What does that even mean? What would it take like how many tens of thousands of babies Got to die in order for you to do that and that's a that's a much different thing than just saying like the people who did this attack You know what I mean like that we're gonna flatten all of Gaza those are very different things and But the the reality is that people make you know like I was debating this loreloomer Lady and she's saying to me the whole time basically. It's like it's like George W. Bush stuff It's like oh, it's radical islamic terrorism and it's the problem is Islam and the problem is that they're just so crazy And they're just so barbaric and they just hate us for our freedom And so you can't give them their freedom because blah then there and it's like look man.

1:49:04There's If the problem is just radical islam Well, there's a there's a big issue with that right and it's that Israel has had peace with Egypt since the 1970s Israel has had peace with Saudi Arabia Israel has had peace with with Jordan israel all of these surrounding like Arab countries Haven't gone to war with Israel say for decades, you know At what do you didn't tell me there's not a radical islam problem in Egypt You think there's not a radical islam how about Saudi Arabia You know what I mean like there's these are rad there are plenty of issues with radical islamist in those countries But they're not constantly going to war with with Israel and part of that's because Israel doesn't occupy them You know like they have the issues that israel has had has been in southern Lebanon with hezbollah and in Gaza with with Hamas and with Years ago some terrorists and in the West Bank um This is all the areas that they occupied, you know And so like the only answer here is to just like Let these people go let them have their freedom Do what do whatever you can to like targeted operations to take out the people who are responsible for october 7th You got to really offer them a deal and not like the deals that they pretended to offer them in the past Because I know that's the other narrative too that that bench appear types like saying all the time is we offered them everything We offered them everything they wanted and they said no Which just on the face of it should sound a little ridiculous to you how many negotiations do you know that go that way Right here's everything you want no I'll continue to be occupied like what this is ridiculous um and so what it what is the solution like is there a solution in terms of like a percentage of land that you have to get back to them yeah and creating a different relationship I think that uh the and is that even possible is if hezbollah exists Is that even possible well hezbollah is over in in Lebanon.

1:50:58I'm sorry. You're the Hamas is where you exist Is that even possible well look? I mean right now obviously like we're in the mid they're in the middle of a war Um and so this is you know But I'll say this when Arifat Who was was the leader palestine for a while there when he came to the table and even what Hamas like I mentioned this earlier Even what Hamas has said in the past is that they agreed to recognize Israel in 67 borders Then the 67 borders are referring to before the war in 1967 yes So the what they refer to when they say that is you know when I said the UN recommended the Israel The Jews get 56 % of it they fight this war they ended up getting closer to 80 % of it that 60 That's 67 borders Israel gets 80 % of it But there's a and there now so they're willing to accept 80 20 they have said they're willing to accept 80 20 On the record many times now they've also there's also been lots of rhetoric that you know like Hamas has used that's that kind of you know counters that but I think there's almost no question that they would take that deal if they were offered And if it's 80 20 what happens to all the Jewish settlers that live in the area that's now part of that 20 Well that many people were talking about You know, I don't know the exact numbers.

1:52:18There's not they they already moved out the settlers who were In the Gaza area they do have Settlements in the West Bank and I don't know what exactly the the negotiation of that would be But you know the truth is that it was illegal for Israel to build those settlements There's a violation of international law settlements Yeah, well, they just kind of kept moving because this is basically the Since the late 1970s They've been in what they called the peace process Where the government of Israel has kind of said that one day we're working toward Giving them their own state at some point Um, but then they just kept building these settlements on Palestinian territory And like building these big Jewish settlements there and then it's like oh yeah, no, there's no This is just indicating that there's no plan to to move You know what I mean to ever move toward granting the Arabs independence So is it individuals that are doing these settlements?

1:53:18Is are they being guided or that's a funded or because one of the things That I saw that was like super disturbing. I don't know how accurate this is or what the actual story was Was there was a Jewish settler who had taken over the home that a Palestinian Family had at one point in time. Yeah, how does that work? Well, you know, that's There have been cases of that Because the government allows them to do it and that those Palestinians people have no rights And if they decide they're gonna do it they let them do it And this is kind of what's going on the whole time Palestine or is it in Israel?

1:53:50Is it in Gaza? Yeah, I don't know the specific story you're talking about But I do know that the there's been in both for years in both Gaza and the West Bank Which are basically you know the two the two big sections that are Palestinian Territory but really controlled by the Israelis That they've done there's been settlement building on both sides of them I don't know the specifics of that That story but there's been there's little stories of like really you know, fucked up things happening on on all of this And it's been it's been waves of that for a very long time So those people have all moved out since October 7th.

1:54:23Is that what you're saying? Your settlers no in Gaza. Oh, no, they moved out before that so they uh so in in 2005 The um the Israelis did move all those settlers out and they uh they If the way they'll say it is they ended the occupation of Gaza The more accurate thing is that the IDF pulled out of internally martial law style Policing Gaza that it's like uh sheldon richman who as I mentioned before wrote a great book on this topic coming to America The way he described it is he goes it's kind of like if all the prison guards left the prison But they locked all of the doors and surrounded the perimeter You know, and then they went I see we freed you you know, it's like no that's not so it's then so they pull out They still controlled the border they still controlled what went in and out there there's no airport They're have no seaport they're not allowed to come and go as they please they need permission from from the Israelis in order to do so They control the electricity the utilities the amount of medicine that gets in this is why international you know human rights organizations like uh Amnesty International and human rights watch they they say they were like no this is still occupied territory like sorry That doesn't count that just because you're not doing martial law anymore.

1:55:43It doesn't mean it's not an occupied territory But then it was so this was in 2005 and then in 2006 Uh at the insistence of the Americans because this is George W Bush when we were going on that whole spread and democracy around the world thing You remember how great that was they worked um yeah, it was fantastic and so Condoleezer Rice and George W Bush They were the one that insisted that they should have elections in Gaza So they kind of like it was their idea and um that this is when Hamas One uh they won like a plurality Uh and and took like most of the seats in their little like a parliament thing or whatever it is and um So that was and that's what a lot of people refer back to when they go you know um today a lot of the hawks who are Supporting the war you'll hear them say oh they voted for Hamas So this is kind of what they get because they voted for Hamas.

1:56:39They're talking about back in 2005 Which is you know having half the population there I think is under 18 So none of them even voted in in that election You know what I mean and it's not like they won like uh like an overwhelming super majority or anything like that But so that's what uh So it was around that time in 2005 when they did get those settle uh those those settlements out the Israeli government forced them I think they kind of did like a um Like I think they they paid them off to move type of thing So like an eminent domain deal like where you know here take this money you got to move But you don't have any choice about it you got to move right So that might be a necessary part of uh of some of this or maybe an arrangement could be worked out where those settlements are kept I do just think that it's um If you if you want to move toward any type of serious solution to this in the same way you know like the other week that Osama Bin Laden's uh letter to America went like super viral Yeah on tiktok and then they scrubbed it off of the guardian as a response to it Which is just number one like what does that doesn't that just say everything about our society Is that that's the response To scrub it off the guardian Take it down so people can't see it the guardian being the newspaper covered it Yeah, they had uh they had published it and it had been up there I think since And what were they they were concerned that it was encouraging people to support it Yeah, like a bunch of a bunch of tiktokers like young lefty tiktokers started like making these videos where they're like Osama bin Laden was right about everything and then they were getting heat for it so they just took it down I mean you can still find it like on the archives But still a lot of people's videos are still up right It's a lot yeah, I don't know I don't know about that.

1:58:14I'm not on tiktok I kind of just saw on twitter when people were sharing the tiktok videos So I don't know if they were taking them down. I don't Tiktok takes down stuff pretty quickly But I don't know I don't know what they were doing with uh with that I don't why would they take that down though if I was a Chinese run propaganda Corporation tiktok removes hashtag for Osama bin Laden's letter to America after viral video circulate So it did just remove the hashtag Guardian also pulled the text of the alkydow founders letter from its website after people cited it on tiktok and x That's uh not the correct response Yeah, I was I mean listen Osama bin Laden was trained by the United States Like the he was a part of our our Thing to run the mujahadin to fight the Soviets and not just trained but trained for a specific Reason trained to lure a superpower into a war in Afghanistan that will bankrupt them Yeah, I mean we trade them out and then fell for it the idea that you shouldn't read that guy's words Oh, it's it well just tells you that like that's not just to find September 11th Yeah, like it's just like no understand that there's a lot of contributing factors to all these global conflicts Yeah, educate yourself and look like the people were all arguing about it too because obviously It's kind of stupid for like a young tiktoker to be like the takeaway is that he was a good guy or something like that Like that's pretty ridiculous But then people would like kind of point to what they want to in the situation But basically the letter says it's like I mean to sum it up.

1:59:47It's kind of like um He goes you know you may be wondering why we attack you Well, we attack you because you attack us and then a whole bunch of islamist talk a whole bunch of praise be to Allah And Sharia law she'll sweep the world and all of that and then a list of grievances along with that and one of the major ones is what it's that we we Prop up Israel who has stolen the land from the Palestinian and keeps them under subjugation that we have military bases in their holy land in Saudi Arabia That we use those bases for the bombing and sanctioned campaigns that killed so many Iraqi babies And that we prop up these dictators in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and like I think the takeaway from that is not Therefore Osama bin Laden was right to kill a bunch of innocent people in the twin towers because that's stupid and evil And it's the it's the same justification in a way but I should name it says not in a way Osama bin Laden made the exact same argument that the people who are saying they voted for Hamas Therefore we can kill them are making that's what he said He was like you vote for your government and your government does all this stuff to us So you American citizen are fair game for us to attack and any decent persons to just immediately reject that like no It doesn't follow that because you have elections that therefore if any crime that Bill Clinton commits You can now go kill some baby for like that's insane.

2:01:15That doesn't make any sense but In the same sense the idea that some Palestinian baby doesn't have any rights in his fair game to just be blown up And even if you want to make the argument that like okay, but we're not trying to blow up that baby We're just willing to blow up that baby while we're trying to catch some bad guys. It's just like that's just not right It's just like that's not fair That's not just that's we would never we would never accept that if we were talking about our kids, you know what I mean like if if some murderer even a mass murderer ran into a daycare And you know held a bunch of people as hostages and say with using them as human shields, let's say We would never say okay.

2:01:57Well the sheriff department's gonna come down and blow up the building We'd be like wait what right like that's insane dude like wait you couldn't even imagine if that was suggested If it was like our kids there You'd be like what are you out of your mind? Okay, take that option take that off the table What else you got, you know, and like but why should that be acceptable like in this case? Well the argument against it is that Hamas is doing this on purpose and that they're putting all of these Military bases. Oh, this is nothing. You brought up you said That there was this talk of tunnels that were under one of the hospitals and you said some of it was Computer generated images.

2:02:37Yeah, well, so this is just a just recently so the al -shefa Hospital there right so the Israeli government said there was like a raid on the hospital and they They said that this was there was a huge like network of tunnels and that this was basically their command center Was under this this hospital and they they created a computer generated Like image of what they say it looks like what's under there Um, and it kind of what you ever remember Uh, I think it was Colin Powell who had the ones of Osama bin Laden's layers It was like this crazy complicated none of it none of that was real um, so but they that's right That was like there was like super sophisticated structures inside the house Yeah inside of like like like looks like a volcano type.

2:03:24Yeah, this is where they're Not in that. That was real wild by the way Uh, the Colin Powell's diagram of Osama bin Laden's super sophisticated Evil villain layer that was carved into the side of a mountain I think it was in the same UN speech where he brought the vials of that I might be wrong about that. I might have been from a different. Yeah. Yeah. I think I might have been a different one but uh, yeah um But so so they released that and then they go in and they rate now part of I think You know the reason why they were suggesting that's what it is is because it would You know, it would require such a justification because you're going and attacking a hospital You know like you'd need something really crazy to be under there right um and then look it's kind of it's a little bit in doubt exactly what It is so they get there and the IDF releases videos of um in the hospital and there's like a couple rifles In the hospital Wasn't there also videos of uh hummus like funneling hostages through a hospital or something like that That one I have not seen um but in this video they just basically show you there are some weapons and then they showed you kind of like the opening Of like what appears to be a tunnel underneath uh the hospital But they say oh it's booby trapped and so we can't go in there and no journalist can go in there so we don't actually see what's Uh like you know what I mean like exactly what's going on like there certainly hasn't been any proof that it was exactly what the computer Uh generated image was then Another interesting little detail here is uh but there is a tunnel opening yes for sure But then Barack who was the former uh prime minister of of Israel He said recently in an interview Uh, he said we know that there's tunnels there because we built them And so and the the interviewer questions up again she goes i'm sorry did you miss speak Or did you say you know that there were tunnels there because you built them and he goes no no i'm saying we built them back when we were When we were doing martial law and the IDF was in gaza in the 80s we built this tunnel underneath this hospital So we know that it's there um so i guess they he said they built it to like expand the hospital or something like that Um but it was a weird admission So it's like because he's saying we know it's there because we built it But then the real question isn't then so then if you say that well then just showing me that picture of a tunnel proves nothing At all because that's not even indicating that hummus is using this as some type of central you know command station Um, so the question is what was being used there?

2:06:05By the way, I am not at all to be clear I'm not saying like I wouldn't be shocked if I found out that there were The hummus people and then it was put it out yeah like all of this could be true But we have not seen any evidence to back up that claim we've just heard You know assertions made by the Israeli government um so that's you know what i mean that's fine that colon pal thing I found the smallest picture of all time it wasn't very good picture at all And then I found the speech he had the speech didn't have the video or the pictures of it I'll show you what I found you know they found the The temple of the first emperor of China And I think they found it in 1974.

2:06:44This is from they buried him 2200 years ago and they uh protected him with terracotta statues of soldiers ever seen as no and they're terrified to go into the the the tomb Because there's all these writings about it Having rivers of mercury and booby trapped and really and it's supposed to be like unbelievable riches But It's so they're so concerned like trying to send a scientist through there and trying to open it up and find out what I mean even 2200 years later that there literally might be rivers of mercury That's pretty wild some fucking indiana joneshid. Yeah, you ever seen what it looks like no I don't think so dude there's it's insane they I believe they found it in 74ish somewhere around that okay, and this is the very first emperor of china and As they uncovered more and more and more they found an alliteral army I don't know how many with the number of these terracotta statues of soldiers, but it's fucking insane Wow, and this is all lined up in front of his tomb How many of them were there So Find the the first emperor find a tomb of the first emperor of china 8000 soldiers 103 chariots 520 horses 150 cavalry horses the majority of which remain in situ in the pits near I don't know how to say that King she whines mausoleum Other non -military telek terracotta figures were found in other pits including officials acrobats strong men and musicians Do you think about how much effort It would have taken to make all of that two thousand years ago here it is 100 flowing rivers were simulated using mercury and above them The ceiling was decorated with heavenly bodies below which lay the features of the land some translations of this passage was Refer to models or imitations however, there's those words were not used in the original text was which also makes no mention of the terracotta army Hide levels of mercury were found in the soil of the tomb mound giving credence to I don't know how to say his name Seemey quan's account Also the emperor is well documented for building monumental statues in human form during his reign such as the 12 metal Colossi What is that clicked on that 12 metal Colossi What is that 12 meters high?

2:09:23Oh Why do they call it 12 metal 12 metal Colossis bronze statues cast to see is there photos of these things? There But how crazy is that there's there is high levels of mercury in the soil and they're really concerned that if they look up the door Rivers of mercury will flow out and kill everybody Like how much mercury did they get where did you get all that mercury? Why were you storing all that mercury down? How did you store all that mercury? How did you know that it Would fucking stay there and not kill everybody? How did you get it there how many people tied movement it there? Rivers of mercury see like you would say ordinarily that's nonsense But the amount of dedication they had towards their emperor that they were building this and the fact that the soil tested Yeah, high in mercury that those two combined does make it enough.

2:10:14We're like I'm not opening it up Jesus, I'd like someone else to do it and bring a video camera, but I'm not gonna be there I can't we send some robots to open that up but imagine if it just flows out like that would be so wild to get some go pro footage Of rivers of 2 ,200 year old mercury. Yeah, that would be pretty nuts How much would it take to do that like how much mercury would you need? Like what are we talking about where's mercury come from? I I? How do you get it? I have no answer for you on how this possibly could be true. How do you get mercury? Like if you want to get mercury for a thermometer, where are you getting that?

2:10:47I don't know. I've never even thought of it Yeah, I mean right now. I never even thought where could one get mercury You know about it Chinese people I just thought I thought I do it. I guess the fuck they did If they have rivers of mercury waiting to kill you if you open up the tomb mercury occurs naturally in the earth's crust It's released into the environment from volcanic activity Weathering of rocks and as a result of human activity. So how would you produce mercury? How do you refine it? So naturally occurring chemical element found in rock and the earth's crust. So they figured this out 2 ,000 years ago how to refine this What did they do like how did they refine it like how do they get it to the point where there's so much of it you have rivers of it That's cinnabar stuff came up before when we were looking at stuff Uh, I think maybe with primer rescue an ore in combination with cinnabar It tends to be found in high concentration and geographic To do the dining cinnabar wow I know they used it for red like anything red back.

2:11:48I'll love forever was Imagine if that's your job and you know it's gonna kill you you have to make mercury for the the emperors temple To to set up a booby trap. So you're out there just Making mercury all day just dying I bet the I've been those people fried in their job in their job They're like I got someone's got to make the emperors mercury, you know. I'm out here doing it You need mercury to get gold oh Wow How's that? I'm looking at something that says cinnabar is a mineral from which mercury is extracted Both are highly toxic a few countries still permit cinnabar mercury mining mercury was very important and gold mining So they had a lot of gold back then right didn't they?

2:12:31I'd yeah, I think so I think that's when they were starting so that's probably a side effect of their gold mining is that they had all this mercury Does that make sense? I don't know how do you getting how are you getting rivers of it? Yeah, the rivers of it don't really make sense me, but that also may not be true What is yeah, well it might be true though. That's yeah, if there's high levels of mercury I will say that one gives that gives you a little bit of pause Yeah, one thing I've heard that it hasn't come up a lot is like from people there's all those uh Puddles on the ground if not puddles are just like reservoirs of water to look at the stars It's easier to look down than to look up all night So they would make something reflective to show the stars cooling up like coming over and certain patterns or whatnot Mercury is also highly reflective.

2:13:10So if they had Ooh puddles of mercury that would use like mirrors some of the stars wow Yeah, maybe but so the amount of effort Theoretically to collect all this mercury rivers of it Yeah, and store it in there for what purpose booby trap just so that you couldn't come in So if someone comes in they get flooded with mercury and they never get to the emperor's riches Oh, apparently there's fucking a good jillion dollars. We're the shit in there. Oh All right, so now you made it a little bit more interesting. Okay, I didn't realize that's what they were keeping you from so now Are you gonna roll the dice on the rivers of mercury for a jillion dollars?

2:13:47Busies come on get a hazmat suit and a fucking scuba let's go Oh Don't they have those fucking DARPA robots get with them DARPA robots to lift up the lid Yeah, I can't believe you couldn't like figure something out. Yeah, like one of those uh Those like the bomb you know robots you see them sometimes in like time square or something like that But if it's really river then you're gonna lose all the terracotta statues Which are look a national treasure? Well, you want to roll the dice on more treasure? You got to risk some statues They have to move the statues. Can you imagine? I mean they they moved entire temples in Egypt.

2:14:25Do you ever see what they did? No, oh my god What an underdog speaking massive enormous statues they Why did they move them and move them? I believe is to make room for a damn Okay, I think that's what it was but so they took it apart and put it back together Wow and you know these epic works of stone art from thousands and thousands of years ago and they're fucking sawin them and lifting them and moving them It's such a weird thing like I find that footage Because it's crazy what they did Isn't it weird to think about the idea like like we we build some buildings to be cool looking buildings today You know what I mean like some of the new buildings we build but almost all of them are just built with like a purpose You know what I mean and it's so it's so like we are to think about a time when human beings were it just like in the game of building gigantic monuments to look because like you imagine in a world with like with That will look I guess we don't know exactly what technology they had at the time But just like back then like to just go and see the pyramids or something like that would just be like whoa I would if I had like a moment in history like they're going to only pick one time What could exist in like a bulletproof bubble where nothing could touch me but I could stand and observe I would want to be like right at the plateau like right in front of the great pyramid What did you do yeah, what what was your culture like how did you guys do this?

2:15:54No one knows it's a hundred percent guesswork When they talk about the construction of it. It's the dumbest theories none of them make any sense Not a single one from the simple fact that they're cutting these things from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away And they're moving these fucking giant stones many of them weigh 50 tons plus yeah through the mountains Through the mountains 500 miles to get to Geesea How and every like attempted explanation always just falls short like they used pulleys and ropes and it was so spectacular What they did that it defies any conventional explanation if you told a Construction company that they had to do that And they had to do it within the life of a pharaoh which is the most ridiculous proposal because if you cut in place Tens stones a day.

2:16:45I believe it is That it would take you six hundred and sixty four years to make the pyramid Cut in place massive in north so this is it they they saw this fucking face off They saw this whole thing. It's it's crazy when you see the video footage of it because that thing they moved all of that And they moved it over relatively short period of time Which is so nuts And so they saw it and moved it and saw it and moved it you know, it's one of the most amazing things that I've Been educated on about Egypt is not even just the pyramids the pyramids are insane But their pottery is nuts their pottery is nuts.

2:17:29They have taken computer Measurements of it so they've taken like you mean like their ancient pottery yeah, three deep some other pottery is not pottery It's carved out of insanely hard stone in perfect symmetry with a handle Where if you spin it on a on a wheel It's perfect. It's within a less than a human hair difference on each side And we have no idea how they did it. Yeah, like how they're pot just they just these these so that not ceramic these stone Vases that they built defy explanation well It's yeah, and that's that's part of the thing about the pyramids to write. It's the level of precision It's the level of like how they face true nor east and west Not just that the faces right right Faces are perfectly symmetrical and from our understanding of what technology they had like what the official Historical kind of you know what they would say it's like well that just makes no sense I'm done if you're saying with no technology they were able to do this thing that we with our modern technology can't figure out Exactly that doesn't make sense.

2:18:37It's like something else And the thing and I learned I learned all this stuff from you like I didn't know nothing about this until I heard you talk about it Years ago, but the water erosion on the sphinx is a really big one too that I've never heard a sad factory like rebuttal to yeah, these are the inter these are all interesting things that they're making Jamie But the ones that are really fucking insane. I know what it says like they're keeping their incest or traditions alive He shows them digging with these crazy tools into their ground right But they're also using steel supposedly steel what hadn't even been invented then they were just using copper These guys are all using steel.

2:19:10I mean look. It's this is all beautiful work But this is not those vases those impossibly symmetric vases The some of these things That you see them they're like insanely hard and okay There's no evidence of a diamond use in ancient Egypt all those substance like that must have been utilized some of these vases You know when they they find the perfectly intact ones. They're impossibly symmetrical And they they seem to have been carved out where they have like a very small lip But they go inside and it's perfectly carved out in the center like how did you do that? How did you do that and how did you make it perfectly symmetrical?

2:19:46You're not even spinning it on a wheel because you have handles on it So how did you put the handles and how how did you make the handles perfectly symmetrical? So do you think and by the way you know a lot more about this than me But do you think it is like the most because again the one I said the water erosion on the sphinx is the one that gets me that I've never heard A good rebuttal to because it's clearly it's clearly water erosion It's not just water. It's thousands of years of rain right and if you and they know that it there wasn't rainfall in that period from like 10 ,000 years or something like that right so do you think it's that the most plausible explanation is that all of this stuff is not the time period that we put ancient Egypt It's many many years before that and there must have been we must have been it some type of peak of technological advancement That is a different type of peak than we've arrived at today We don't really understand what that is and then all of that kind of That collapsed and bit what we think of as ancient Egypt is just kind of like what was left after that and basically people Just walked into these things that they had already been built.

2:20:47Yes Is that like the most reasonable? Yes, the most reasonable and it's also the most reasonable when you consider what they did to the pyramid Because the pyramid with the great pyramids The great pyramid was covered with smooth limestone and they looted it to create chiroles So the same knuckleheads that existed after the pyramids were built were so stupid They they took chunks of the pyramid off to build like fucking shitty houses That was it So that was your you had to hold bit about that. It's like the same guy who built it as like Is the guy with like the dog on a canoe You're like I think that was the dummy who did that one But I don't yeah, I think it is just showed up and they just they showed up for payday and the smart people were all dead That was my joke was that where the idiots don't do the children of the idiots don't work as a V -Jumped But I think it's the younger dry ice impact theory.

2:21:35I think that's the most plausible And that's because there's physical evidence of it and that's something that Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock have talked about extensively And then there's this whole group of actual scientists that are studying this impact theory because they have physical evidence of in the core samples of a radium at high levels at 11 ,800 years ago and that's when they think it probably wiped out Most of civilization and that's also probably one of the reasons why if you go way back in civilization is 5 ,000 six thousand years ago people were barbaric Because those are the people that survived So now go six thousand years before that where there's no history.

2:22:13There's nothing like Ancient Sumer right that's six thousand years ago messopotamia like those that's what's bad as far back as we that's We used to believe yeah, right before to go backly tapy We used to believe that was the origin of a sophisticated civilization that was capable of writing It was capable of mathematics It had some general understanding at least of our solar system in terms of like they had charted that not just the Sun But all the planets in the proper order. They don't know why they did it or how they did that But that is six thousand years ago and until recently it was pretty widely believed that that was the origins of civilization Then when they found go backly tapy which is for sure carbon dated to have been covered up Meaning someone either conquered it or someone decided fuck these people were gonna cover it And they did that intentionally 11 ,600 years ago.

2:23:05So they know that at least 11 ,000 years ago people were building these massive stone Structures right so it's not really carving super complicated 3d carving with the The animal was carved out of the stone and the rest of the stone remained not carved into the stone So it's not like the old story of like oh, we were basically like hunter gatherers until the ancient Sumerian society came along It's like no, no, no, nothing much more than that was going on And they think that the 11 ,600 years ago thing was still Thousands of years after people were building the pyramids The people that are putting like the oldest date on the pyramids like John Anthony West who is this Renegade Egyptologist that had this fantastic series called magical Egypt and This guy had this unble his life's work was studying Egypt and studying the history of Egypt and one of the more amazing things is that Egypt has a Written history in the hieroglyphs that go back 30 ,000 plus years But archaeologists conveniently dismissed that as myth and they say that no, no, no It's like 2500 BC and that's where an all merges But the problem with that is there's what why would they lie about that like just this is just so that you can put your time stamp Where you think it should be and this is what you've been teaching in lectures Been teaching in books.

2:24:30Well, that might be that might be part of the The motivations to is if you you know if you are the one who's been teaching this for a long time Or if you're the one who even maybe discovered something and that's kind of what you hang your hat on for someone to discover That you've been teaching the wrong thing the whole time and you're wrong about all of that I'm sure you're gonna counter some resistance that that's kind of true in almost any um In any field If you're coming in and going hey you guys all have it wrong right this is right You're gonna get a lot of resistance from people who are being like no my whole identity is that I'm right about this Yeah, so you don't get to just take that all away from me and now I gotta go back and be like all right that thing I've been teaching All forget all of that let's move on to this But has been taken away from them for the most part in a lot of instances and the go backly tappy one is where they're the most ridiculous Because they want to believe that hunter -gatherers built these structures.

2:25:21Yeah, that's that's tough to believe It's insane these things are fun. You've seen go backly tappy. Yeah, I've seen you And it's only one of many of these megalithic structures that they found that are still buried They've only uncovered that you know when they use ground penetrating lidar I think they've I think they've uncovered five percent of it And it's fucking insanely impressive. So someone was doing something really wild at a time where we thought people were using Stone tools to hunt you know deer and shit And perhaps they were in parts of the world They're doing it right now. Yeah, that's the thing we have to understand like yeah right now There's indigenous people that live in the Amazon as people that live on North Sentinel island There's a lot of like very primitive tribes in terms of like the way we view ancient history They live the way people lived a long fucking time ago and they coexist with people with iPhones And the idea that every Every single moment in error in history There was an equal distribution of technology and information is ridiculous because it doesn't exist now Yeah, well doesn't exist in the most ubiquitous time in terms of like the access to information and cell phone usage and all fucking most people on earth have a cell phone Well, that's still this primitive tribes 100 % but even like we were talking about for a lot of this Podcast the Israel Palestine thing.

2:26:35I mean there's this huge divide versus the way those two live this crazy power imbalance And that's by the way, I think that's why Which maybe is unfair, but I think that's why I kind of like I hold I hold the powerful to a higher standard in a sense because there is such this divide and power Yeah, that's why it's like it's more like you know, I blaming the US Empire for all of these things It's like because you know, even when people would say like oh you put all of this blame on you know With the Ukraine war which by the way we're breaking up with now So which I wanted to say something about that, but then it's like well just because it's like well Yeah, after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

2:27:14Yeah, you know America's the sole superpower of the world So it's like you have so much more power than them like now's the time to not provoke them and pick a fight with them when they don't There are no threat to you. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean It's amazing that kind of like the power imbalance We have with all that the United States of America literally if we decided to and and we haven't for now and that's very good but we could disappear an entire Country yeah, if we wanted to with the staff of a finger we can just make you disappear and then The other things that we will use we can overthrow your government we can and there are new our countries that are completely help us simultaneously Yeah, that's right at the same time.

2:27:52Yeah It only it kind of only makes sense that Egypt was the most advanced because Egypt was in Africa in Africa Where humans literally came from the idea that the the only humans that advanced were the ones that left Africa That was the idea that everybody had that you the humans left Africa and then they founded Europe right But it no it appears that that was the most sophisticated society ever and what we are is a rebuilding Right human society many many many many thousands of years later Many thousands of years later after people had already achieved a level of sophistication beyond where we're at now But through totally different methods right right right right we haven't we haven't even invented yet We've gotten so far along Um the combustion engine petrochemical products electronics We've gotten so far down that road that we think it's the only technological path And it's not necessarily right definitely not these fucking these people that made that temple made rivers of mercury Back then and that's all we know that's two thousand two hundred years ago Like what the fuck did they do Before the impact like what how how sophisticated was society 20 ,000 years ago because we want to think it's not sophisticated at all But with John Anthony West West thinks is that the reason why this finks was facing a very particular way He says I think it's 35 ,000 years ago 34 ,000 years ago that was facing the constellation Leo So he thinks that if you look at the thousands of years of rainfall that they believe is responsible for the fissures on the side walls Like how many thousands like how many could it be 20 and if it if are they telling the truth about is it is it really a 34 ,000 year old structure that that indicates that 34 ,000 years ago people had achieved this insane level of sophistication because they keep pushing back further and further and further The original age of a human being like the original homo say it bands keeps going it used to be 50 ,000 years Now it's like hundreds of thousands of years like what happened yeah, what happened Well, you think about because it's really interesting the way you say it I don't know you think about like um like the butterfly effect.

2:30:06Yeah, that idea which I don't even know like if I Yeah, I fucking wind patterns Whether So the idea the idea the wings of a butterfly can cause a fucking hurricane Yeah, but there is certainly some truth to the fact that if you like we're Rewinding the tape and like starting and playing it there are different decisions that like one crucial decision could send your life in a whole different path Or something like that right so like the idea that if we were like kind of running This whole start from scratch again. Yes, it's not It all a given that we end up in even a similar place at the end of that and you think about like the process of time Like I love it.

2:30:45I might use to talk about this in your act a bunch too Which I always thought was a really interesting way to look at it like when you talk about uh where you had the bit Where it was like 300 years. Yeah, it's that's three people. Yeah, it could be the length of the 300 You know what I mean? Like that's really not that crazy country founded three people ago right and this that's a really interesting way to look at it Where if you just go like it's like you know Um if you want to go you know 150 years ago like the oldest person I know is is 99 Um So like me plus her is almost 150 years ago. You know what I mean like that's not that's not much And if you think about say that's pre civil war every right right So you're going back now to a time almost what right just shy just uh, but you but okay, but it's pre Or just about pre -industrial revolution yes right around that time basically is that the industrial revolution is basically me and the oldest person I know ago and that's everything what we talk about with our you know modern technology today That's the whole basis of it right there sure like before then it's night and day difference to the way civilizations I and that's it just that little bit of time that took us from you know literally like we're we're An agricultural society to the Joe Rogan podcast.

2:32:01You know what I mean in this little Blip little blip of time. It's wild. Yeah, it's wild that it's not stopping. We're in the center of it So it seems stable But it's it's accelerating at a fucking super bizarre pace a super bizarre. Yes. It's just impossible for us to see it Totally like all the innovation that's happening simultaneously So the whole thing is wild and we're experiencing it from an individual perspective We're looking out at our eyes and getting a map of the world based on our neighborhood where we go and the things we do and the the immediate we consume But what's really happening is If you could see all the babies that were born at this if you could if there was a giant screen where you could see every baby Coming out of a person every time it happened it would just be like What Just a life pouring into this dimension And if you could look at all the innovation that was happening simultaneously on some sort of a chart It would be a whoa It'd be just babies and technology Flooding our dimension babies and technology that's what's really going on And all this other stuff like the fighting for resources is all an aspect of this constant movement Quartz new life and innovating technology.

2:33:19Yeah And well and like you were saying like we're kind of it's a Tech technology is we're in this period where it's like in exponential growth And so it's like we're just starting to kind of get like a little bit of a A vision of what that's gonna look like flashes every time a baby is born that country It's a hundred since I've been on it. Yeah The babies are just constantly coming out. Yeah, that is that is every second babies are coming out All of them 50 and like two seconds. Yeah, bam. They just flooding out Yeah, it's just a dimensional portal where life is coming through vaginas into our dimension Just And that's all everybody wants to do is fuck everybody wants to fuck and everybody wants to make more babies.

2:34:04Let's Do you feel like a I remember feeling this way when I get like first -aid kids Um, cuz I got little kids you have older kids than me, but I've been my oldest is like a bat's turn five Um, but I remember When the first time we had baby went my first got my wife pregnant and then when she had the baby and stuff like really feeling this weird um This connection to just the fact that like I am an animal You know what I mean like I'm an animal and this is what I'm here to do Like everything's kind of been working toward this and this was like the point of it all Well, certainly rewires your brain.

2:34:43Oh, yeah for sure It rewires your brain and makes your brain concentrate on that above all and in a strange way It's like a shit and you Louis CK said it best once you said you just got to let it change you I mean that's a very good way to put it because that's kind of what you got to just really just let it change you You can't resist it the guys, you know, you resist it's like But it's it is a part of this biological super organism. That's the human race And it's capable of amazing things But there's a constant battle and this constant battle you can call it good and evil and that's the simplistic way to To look at it But there's forces that are moving con and these forces Are required in order for things to progress the even like Even the forces of evil are required for someone to develop a system that combats evil that's more efficient and then Yeah, enforce the idea that society should not be evil.

2:35:45We have seen the negative aspects of evil We choose to never be evil. I mean, this was the you know, obviously there was a lot of flaws in the founding fathers Like we discussed, but that was their idea. We're gonna do something better We're gonna do something we all believe that we want to be free everyone wants to be free That's why we're here. Let's set this up to keep it as free as possible from tyranny Now let's resist any and all efforts to change that And that's what the like heavy -duty constitutionalist feel like they're like looks and there's a reason why they set it up this way And and there's a natural human impulses to control things against and you know That's what everybody was terrified about with Trump They're like he's a dictator.

2:36:26He's gonna get in the office He's gonna fucking ruin the constitution and throw everyone in jail and none of those things happen No, they literally just sang the other day I literally just heard on msnbc the other day. They were just sitting there going You know if Donald Trump wins this time. He is gonna start prosecuting his political enemies. Yeah, they're like gonna execute people like But you're literally doing that to him right now right now. So what are you talking about over some oh fucking fagazzy Price gouging scheme. Oh, I did. There's what I wanted to say before by the way I forgot so uh, but this I don't know I found this kind of rewarding but uh, so Joe Scarborough who hosts Morning Joe on on msnbc.

2:37:05It's one of their biggest shows So it might get like a tenth of the listens of this show or something. They're big. They're one of their big boys um and he called me out after the last time I was on here as being a pro Putin Propagandist Picard was always really effective. Yeah, and then he said something about how I uh, you know, I blamed America for um for 9 -11 Um, that how dare you yeah, but he said I didn't even know that I get out of here and see he said he said up Well, this is my final show here guys We had a good run um, now, but I can't remember exactly what you said But he took issue with me saying that you know, Asam bin Laden had had legitimate grievances and he took issue with me Saying we shouldn't negotiate an end to the war in Iraq and I did I responded to him in us I said well look if we can't Agree that you know, Asam bin Laden was you know had some legitimate grievances with our Our foreign policy can we at least agree that it was a bad idea for your wife's dad to bankroll him So that probably didn't go over too well because he is his wife is meek of brijinsky and her dad was a big new brijinsky Who was the guy who came up with the strategy to uh, lure the soviet union into Afghanistan by funding uh the mujjahadine Osama bin Laden so he literally his wife's dad bankrolled Osama bin Laden But he's very morally outraged at me because I said he might have some legitimate grievances Anyway, I did I will set this is all I'm building up the conversation building up toward a compliment for uh, yeah I didn't respond to that one We treated back and forth a few times, but that was the final one But uh, so but he did uh, I'll compliment him because I saw just yesterday He said that we need to think about cutting funding for Ukraine and encouraging Zalinsky to negotiate with Putin because now You're allowed to say that it doesn't make you a Putin supporter anymore to say that right So finally after like two years of getting called all those names It's just like all the stuff with covid like just one day you're allowed to talk about lab leak now.

2:39:05Oh, yeah No, we all believe that oh, I know work. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I know we I ruined your life. Could you said that last week But now it's totally cool to say that we all agree with that now But it's literally and it is no coincidence that as soon as this warn is real like popped off There's just immediately it was it was almost perfect timing. There was this time magazine piece Um that came out and it was the same author I'm blanking on his name But it was the same guy who wrote the the man of the year or person of the year they call it now They gave Zalinsky the person of the year And this guy wrote that article and so I'd imagine he got like some access to Zalinsky's top people From that and so now he just wrote another piece just a couple weeks ago That was just a devastating take down of Zalinsky and it basically was all of his top guys Being like this guy has lost it And he's and and that the the military are actively refusing orders Oh, god because he's basically like telling him to go like get out there and they're just like we're gonna get slaughter We're not doing it oh my god.

2:40:01And so it's basically I mean, I'm just saying it's exactly what what I was saying On the last several times I've been on here and I'm not like trying to take the credit for it It's just I read smart people who say this stuff and I recognize that they're correct But it's like what really great guys like what Scott Horton and all the guys at the at anti -war .com and what Ron Paul and what like all the people who have been like So great on the John Meersheimer. It's just been incredible Throughout this this whole thing nailing every but that all the the US do saying we're gonna give you this blank check to fight this war and then Going out of our way to break up active peace negotiations when they were happening Well, we'll give you a blank check to fund this war all it did was just ensure that more people Particularly Ukrainians we're gonna get slaughtered and this war that could have been negotiated away at the very beginning And then you know ironically all the same people who support this you know the the narrative the whole time was like Putin's a war criminal and he's violating international law and you can't get land by war You can't we can't negotiate with him because then we would be letting him acquire this land by war And then the next day they're like and we have to support Israel Who got the whole country by war and By the way, I'm not like saying because some of the people I've said this to me before like they'll be like Oh, sir you saying we should give all the land back to the Native Americans then or something like that But no, I'm not saying that I'm not saying Israel should give all of Israel back like There's people they are now and you're not gonna do the same thing to them that they did to other people You know what I mean But if you're saying should we give the Native Americans the land back?

2:41:41Well like no that's not gonna happen but should we Make sure that the ones who are still here are free and their natural rights are protected like yeah definitely So that's all I'm saying about that but anyway they were outraged about Putin taking this this land by war Look this thing like just the practicality of it. He's gonna end up keeping some of that territory That's that Ukraine doesn't have the strength to take it back from him. So what particularly we cut them off Yeah, when you see Zelensky asking for credit He's like oh my god that was that was drug addict vibes wasn't it? He was like scratching his neck and shit It's just kind of like credit please I have an old boat.

2:42:19I can sell you some You know this about me days with but I like weapons Dude is just so oh man is that and that whole thing just unraveling and you know the problem like with so much of this stuff about Like even like whatever say with israel palestin and all that it's like look man If you just want to understand what's going on if you want to solve a problem You got to at least just like look at what's really happening here, right? You said that's the first step right to solving a problem is recognizing you have one Yeah, and it's this whole time The the issue with the the war propaganda is that then you never solve it because you're just looking at something like If you just say if some have been lawden hates us because we're free.

2:42:56Well, what are we gonna do? Stop being free so the only answer here is go to war something like that You know, but if you understand that like oh there's also like oh some been lawden attacked us for being free Well, why didn't he attack Sweden for being free or Denmark for being free, you know Was alkaida really happy in 2020 because they were like oh look they're locked down They don't have so much of that freedom that we hate so much right like that doesn't make any sense Well these simplistic narratives like the you know the Putin's war criminal. That's that and this is it You can't do that and that we have to support Ukraine without any understanding of how it got to be that yes In the first place that you described the the coup of 2014 and the NATO moving arms closer and closer and the red line that Putin had said Established yeah, yeah, which was well and if you guys Didn't listen to me the last couple times I've been on here.

2:43:46I talked a whole lot about all that stuff Yeah, but uh and also just the fact that's and look I by the way I'll also say I do think Putin's a war criminal and like so I'm not denying that but the way we would paint Ukraine as this bastion of democracy was just ridiculous. You ever see the kandas Owen thing was amazing What did she what did she say? New York Times tweets at kandas Owens because kandas Owens says that Ukraine is corrupt and they say to her What evidence do you have that the New York Times corrupt and she says oh evidence from your fucking newspaper and she quotes all these articles She posts all these articles from like 2017.

2:44:19Yeah, we're talking about how in the New York Times how corrupt Ukrainians right because before Before Vladimir Putin invaded That lie hadn't even been told yet nobody was saying that Ukraine was a bastion of democracy It was known as the most corrupt country in Europe the idea that that would even be especially for the New York Times That that would even be at all a controversial view its young kids that are working there that are activists essentially Yeah, well, and they're they're fresh out of university. They're they're doing their journalism and they don't have an understanding of the history Well, a lot of the ideological narratives a lot of the adults go along with it too That you know what I mean because there does become this That it's like this narrative that gets created one of the things I remember Scott Horton talked about this I think in one of his speeches or I might have been in one of his debates But he was talking about how in 1996 There was I think it was on CBS.

2:45:16They got like an interview with Osama Ben Laden and he was all right You know like they had they were running al -Qaeda and they had pulled up some small scale terrorist attacks I think this was the African embassy bombing had happened then and stuff and and they were asking and they he said Just like reported it as a matter of fact like it was just like well They hate us for our military presence in the Middle East, you know Yeah back to back to weather or whatever like that was just a fact and that it wasn't until later that the lie got told that It's oh they hate us for our freedom and so with that stuff no there were there were the New York Times was reporting on the Nazi presence in Ukraine Like that was a no that was a known thing there were nobody was disputing this but it was inconvenient Yes until after this and then you got to go at this country that like he banned All the competing opposition parties to him.

2:45:59He said they're probably not gonna hold elections He nationalized the state media. He's you know, he's drafting people to fight in this war It's like no come on. This isn't anything that is representing like this perfectly free country um and whatever it's it's just uh We would be way better off if we had never provoked the thing to begin with and never just decided to fund it for these years And if you don't if you don't like look at that or grapple with that Then yeah, you're like well, this is a perfect democracy versus evil war criminal So we have to just fund them forever and all that does is get tens of thousands of more people killed the problem is to figure all this stuff out You need Alternative media you are never gonna hear all this stuff laid out the way you just laid it out and People gonna fact check it and they're gonna find out you're right and it's an eye opener Yeah, because in the like well what What is wrong with the world that we're living in where we're never getting these straight narratives?

2:47:01We're always getting this very Distorted one -sided take whether it's from the right or the left on what's going on But that's what that I'll tell you that's what I'm so like encouraged by because like I remember I mean I was I was younger, but I was an adult when uh we the war propaganda for the war in Iraq was being laid I mean I was a young adult. I think I was like I was I guess 2003 was the start of the war so I think I was 20 Yeah, it's 20 in 2003 Um, so the the year before it 2002 which the whole year was a propaganda campaign to fight the war in Iraq and I was 19 I'm old enough. I remember it quite well um, and it was Look the the whole thing was just dominant It was like look he's got weapons of mass destruction and he was on in he planned 9 -11 with Osama Ben Laden He's friends with al -Qaeda and he has this weapon that you like and he could pass it off to al -Qaeda at any point And then they drop a nuke on Kansas and if you don't believe this year some type of anti -American queer You know who hates this country or something like that like we all know this is true and everybody and we just did not have anything like You back that there was no show that was like way bigger than anything in the corporate media that would have anybody on who was like breaking down how all of this is lies This is none of this is true and we're going down a horrible path right now and like today We we not only it's not like we just have you like you're the biggest but there's You and Tucker Carlson and then like on the other level like so many shows that are like just do Like really letting the other side get out there.

2:48:40I mean I was literally just listening the other day to a breaking points with Sagar and and crystal and I mean the discussion they're having on on the war is just so many light years more Like you know thoughtful and nuance than anything you're you're seeing on Fox News or MSNBC or something like that And there's so many shows like that now you know like there's this weird thing in the you know I'm sure this happens to you all the time where you'll like discover a show that you never heard of before And you almost like look at like the view count on it and you're like oh I never heard about these guys What do they have and it's like 700 ,000 views that well?

2:49:13Oh, there's a pretty big show. You know what I mean like I had never even heard of these guys There's so many shows at that level that people don't even and so And this is recent very very recent like this to give a perspective how recent it is This okay, nothing like this existed when Barack Obama was running for president right not on this level. No When Donald Trump was running in 2016 still not even close to what it is now there were a few of them But there weren't like this many 2020 there there were some so we've been through like one presidential election cycle with actually having this and even this is a totally new dynamic where There's just so many more people now.

2:49:54There's so many more presidential candidates Who are like coming on these podcasts like you've had RFK on RFK's on my podcast I had the vape rama swami on like three times like these guys are now realizing That they got to get you know what I mean to like get in front of audiences That's the real mainstream now. Yeah, like when you're saying a video has 700 ,000 views. You know what's on CNN and Struggles to get anywhere near that Michael Males convinced me to stop using the term mainstream media Yeah, and I think he's absolutely right because he was like they're not the mainstream anymore It's corporate controlled media corporate media like that's called call them what they are They're the corporate press, you know, and this is but no, it's ridiculous to suggest that again like that somehow like Brian stelter is the mainstream and you are the alternative like that just doesn't make sense anymore Well, they thought that the case just a few years ago.

2:50:43They really didn't understand. Yeah, they didn't understand the landscape Yeah, well, it's pretty and you know there comes with Because they've they've had such control like with all monopolies. There's this naturally growing like atrophy Well, because you don't really have to try when people over you know what I mean like you just don't develop these skills And then they almost just didn't they didn't have the skill to ever adjust to this changing landscape They can't because of the format. Yeah, the format won't allow them also they can't speak freely Yeah, they'll they'll lose advertisers especially if they do anything that's against either the corporate control like whatever whatever is funding these organizations and we know a large part of it is pharmaceutical drug companies a large part of it is food companies that are advertising shit.

2:51:36It's fucking terrible for you. It's like running companies and so many different things and You're not gonna change that you're not gonna change the the structure where they do it where they have a commercial every seven minutes So no conversation ever gets in depth everything is set up for people that have short attention Because they thought that's what people had well again like I mentioned earlier when I was when I was bringing up this uh this Awesome Darrell Cooper like series of podcasts. It's like 20 hours long and you need like even in a even in a podcast like this Like I can do no justice to telling the entire history of this story.

2:52:09You need so much time right with the idea That you would ever be like I mean, I've literally seen segments like I the debate I mentioned that I did the other day I think we went like two hours or something like that It's like a reasonable amount of time. Okay, you can get into some stuff and that I've seen they'll do panels On the war in Israel versus Gaza that are seven minutes long. Yeah with that time being split between three people and a moderator Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go and like how so it just reduces everything down to like who can get the better sound bite off Yes, in a second exactly and like what is this there's no way for adults to communicate yeah Dave Smith you're a national treasure.

2:52:48I always appreciate you coming on here and freaking everybody out Well, thank you, dude. I put things into perspective. It's incredible how much information you've stored and you're fucking head about all this stuff But well like like I said it's uh, I just honestly I've just read a lot of the right people and I'm very lucky that I found like Ron Paul and the the Mises Institute My ses .org and anti -war .com my guys over there Scott Horton being the the leader over there And so I literally I'm very lucky I found a lot of people who do a lot of really great research and made a lot of really great arguments And I'm not bad at remembering it and stuff and I'm I'm like the you know, I'm like the The smartest dumb guy or the dumbest smart guy or something where I'm like just smart enough to remember to kind of get it Yeah, and then I'm I'm still one of you so I can come back and explain it You know what I mean in a good way that kind of makes sense But uh dude, I mean like I'm so grateful for everything you've done for me and that I get to come on here all the time Tell talk about this stuff because I do think it's really important and uh, so I'm very grateful to you I'm very grateful for you to appreciate you.

2:53:49All right. Bye everybody