#2068 - Cameron Hanes

24:47It was awesome. Don't forget very bonds. Very bonds, right? Very bonds as well. But yeah, that was like, that was a heyday of baseball. Oh, so you're trying to make people not care? Yeah. But those guys were juiced to the tits. And baseball, which is the American pastime, we associated steroids and baseball with cheating. He's a cheater. We're not cheaters. We're Americans. Right. You know, but listen, if you could get a hold of any NFL player in between camp, like, what are the odds? What are the odds? Sportsmen of the year. What year was that? I think they were doing it. I think whatever. I think that is.

25:2990. Why they were in togas? Because they're gladiators. But the gladiators were togas? I don't know. Who wears togas? Those guys were to. Oh, animal house. Yeah. Yes. They were with John Belushi. Yeah, look at Mark McGuire with the glass of milk and the baseball bat. That's hilarious. I have milk, g even though guns. Besides those guns going, going, going, going. I'm growing milk. Let's see Barry Bonds. I want to see him. Oh, Barry Bonds got super jacked. I know. He was so good just naturally. And then he added all that muscle. Oh, look at this. Yeah, if they could allow those guys to do the sauce, look how skinny were they versus them.

26:10Boom. But he was so good when he was skinny. Yeah. Oh, he was great. Yeah. Yeah. In the beginning and then got that extra horsepower from all that, all that clear, the stuff they were rubbing on them. I know. I had that guy on. The guy from Balco. Victor. Bigger content. Yeah. Yeah. We explained it all and how it's all done and what they did. Well, I'm fascinating. Yeah, because I remember McGuire said he was taken like, androle or it was some supplement you could buy. Androstein dion. Oh, that's a, and it just skyrocketed off the shelves. Yeah. He probably took that too. Yeah. You know, I know that stuff did work.

26:46It gave you a little bump. I couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you what I take that works. Because I take 30 different things. Right. So he probably wasn't lying. He's like, yeah, I take this and here's the results. But I take a handful of who knows what? I take a lot more stuff now after that Gary Brecker podcast. I started taking methylated B vitamins and also to other stuff that he was at a good, I didn't listen to that one. Oh, was it good? It's a great one. Yeah. That's a great one. Holy shit, he goes deep. Yeah. That's an amazing one. He changed Dana White's life. I mean, Dana White was basically on Death's Door.

27:21And he put him on a ketogenic diet. Now Dana looks fucking 15 years younger. He does, yeah. He looks amazing. Well, he's in this light bed. He got this red light bed every day. And his face just looked better. One of the things that happens when you lose fat, and this definitely happened to me recently, you lose fat in your face. So your face starts to sink in around here. It kind of looks like shit. He bowtocks. No. He doesn't have to help because it's, you're losing face fat. You know, it's also collagen. You don't have as much collagen as your older as you do when you're younger. So if you're a younger person, you have a lean face.

27:54It doesn't look as bad. It's when you're an older person. You know what I said that once? William Shackner. He's like 80 years old. He's talking about how he gains weight because it keeps the wrinkles away. Does he keep a fat face and you don't have as many wrinkles? My daughter watches all these like before and after things. So it's like, I think buckle fat removal. I think buckle fat is somewhere on your face. I don't know what Jamie was buckle fat. Buckle fat. Yeah, I think it's like what you're talking about maybe. Well, what I'm talking about is when you, if you're a fat person, you're not going to have a gaunt face.

28:27Right. But if you're a person who loses weight, here it is. Buckle. Oh, BU CCAL fat removal. Yeah. Oh, so they take that out so they have more like the high cheek bones. Oh, I see. You know what I mean? It's like sculpting. Yeah. So you're making your face sculpting? Yeah. So you're just doing that naturally. You're more sculpted. Yeah, I'm just, I lost a lot of face fat for sure. I lost a lot of body fat. But that's all from carnivore diet. That changed everything from me. How come Has Dana ever been on the podcast? Yeah. He has. He's been on. When? Oh, while back. He'll do it again. I'm sure he'll do it again.

29:05I don't. Man, I never remembered him being on. Yeah, he was just at the club the other night. He came to the club. Oh, Thursday night. Wednesday night. Yeah, just a couple nights ago. Oh, good. Yeah, he was coming to hang out. Yeah, he's great. I love that dude. He looks fucking amazing. He does. He looks so good. He looks so much in. He looks at a different person. But at first his face was looking gaunt, kind of like mine does. Where your cheek sunk in. But it's like, if you want a six pack or you want a fat face. You know, you don't get both. If you got a fat face, you don't get a six pack.

29:33No. Yeah, it's a given day. And if you want a six pack, your face gets thinner. But this red light thing is like plumped up his face with collagen. And it just looks so healthy. His skin looks so healthy. Yeah. I'm really impressed. But his energy level is so different. It's amazing. But he doesn't need any sugar anymore. He doesn't drink alcohol anymore. And he's just fucking super healthy. No alcohol, huh? No alcohol. I mean, I'm sure occasionally maybe he'll have a drink. But he does not drink regularly. What's next big fight? Well, there's a nice card this next weekend in Austin that we're going to go see.

30:12Pumped about that. That should be fun. But then the big one is Colby versus Leon Edwards in Vegas. So for the Walter Way title. And that's a couple of weeks from now. That's a big one. That's a big one. That one's big. That one's exciting. Ooh, that's a good one. What else is that card? Pull up that card, Jamie. Tony. Oh, that's all right. Tony and Patty Pimbley. Tony's training with David Goggins. Which is crazy. I know. Oh, Pentosa versus Brandon Roy Val for the flyweight world title and Chavcott Rockman off versus Wonder Boy. Woo. That's going to be a good one. I end Vicente Luki versus Eden Gary.

30:50Woo. Those are good fights. That's a good fight. I'm very interested to see Tony after he's been training with David Goggins. There's a lot of like very mixed reviews about whether or not that would be a good thing or a bad thing for him. Yeah, I see that. I read a bunch of those comments. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like, who else is on it? Oh, Josh Emmett's on that fight against Giga. Oh, Giga Chakazes on that fight too. Look at this card. Card guard ran and Brian Keller. Oh, shit. This is all on the home. Dustin Jacobin, Alonzo Menifield. Wow, these are good fucking cards. Yeah, it is. It's a good card.

31:27Holy shit. Yeah. Go all the way back down there again, please. That card is fucking stacked. Yeah, that Cody fight will be good with Brian. Mm -hmm. Yeah. And Randy Brown versus Muslim Salahkov is a fucking killer fight too. These are good fights. Yeah, and holy shit. It's a card. Yeah. Top to bottom. Yeah, that's a really good card. How many fights is that? 13 fights. 14. 13. That's a long day for you. Ooh, yeah. That's a lot of day. Mm -hmm. This one though. Who's gonna win this one right there? Very interesting fight. Very interesting fight. You know. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery.

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33:02It's authentically American representing uncompromising quality for the rugged, the powerful, and the passionate. Tap the banner to learn more or visit buffalotracedistillery .com. That's buffalotracedistillery .com. Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent and perfectly untamed. How's Cole be doing? He was pretty fucked up by that soccer punch, right? Yeah, I think he's doing better now. What was the extent of the damage that... I don't know what it amounted to. Yeah, I'm not sure. Because he was suing him and did they settle that?

33:52I think they settled. Did I read that they settled? Did you see that? Yeah. So he just said, pay me, bitch. I think it was just proven a point. Yeah, you can't be going around soccer puncher, but you just kicked your ass. I think it was on your chance to punch him. He had five rounds. I think it didn't work out at all. I think it's just on principle, I think Cole be was just like, no, I'm going to make you pay. Yeah, well, you can't just let people get away with that. No. Because then they're going to do it more often, and it's going to really muddy up the sport. It's going to be a real problem.

34:28It's just, it's a crime. I mean, you literally commit a crime. Don't do that. I think, yeah, I think that, I think Cole be's going to get that one. You think so? I want him to. I know you do. Just like him. Yeah, I like Leon too. It's a good fight. I'll tell you that because if you were going to pick someone, Jorge Mazudal pleads no contest to charge from altercation. This is November 6th. Oh, so this just happened. So they haven't settled it yet. I think that was the end of it. If he pleaded no contest, okay, it says the plea deal said that too felony charges of aggregate assault and criminal mischief were dropped as part of the plea agreement.

35:05There is a no stay away order in the agreement. Also a no stay away order. What does that mean? That what's a no stay away? I could understand a stay away order, like a restraining order, I think, but not a no stay away. There is no stay away order is what's saying. There is also no stay away order in the agreement. Right. There isn't a stay away. So it doesn't have to stay away. So they can hang out with each other. Yeah. The 30 38 year old has been facing over 10 years in prison. The case tends from altercation, punch them twice, breaking his tooth, even causing a alleged brain injury. Incident occurs a few weeks after coming in, defeated Mazvidal by unanimous decision in the main event.

35:47Mazvidal says I just beat the case. I want to thank God. I also want to thank my attorney because I'm a free fucking man. Fuck you, Colby. It's going to be a fucking movie now. All these orders, all these restraining orders, all these things have been lifted off. It's going to be a fucking movie. I don't know what that means. Who's going to play Jorge? I'd be a boring ass movie. Like, you guys sucker punches a guy and then gets off. That's a movie. Thank you. Thank you, Jesus. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be a movie. Yeah, I think that brain injury, that's just maybe had a concussion. Yeah.

36:22I mean, so. If you got a concussion, I mean, if you got sucker punched, you just likely got a concussion. The thing is, you can only get someone else, someone else your life. Yeah. And if you get a big one right before you're going to fight Leon Edwards, it's good that he took a lot of time off because he did take a lot of time off. Yeah, he did. It was like two years, right? Yeah, almost. Yeah. People pretty close. Leon is fucking good, man. That's a good fight. But if you wanted to pick someone who'd have a really good shot at Leon, it would be someone who's an elite grappler who has an incredible gas tank who can push a ferocious pace.

36:56That's Colby. And Colby wades right into the fire. He starts it off like that just to, I think, keep him honest. You know, he'll come in throwing bombs because they know he wants to take him down. So he's got to keep that honest, I think, and just like get him thinking about the big punches too. Yeah, he's got to get him thinking that this isn't just take downs. And if you just think about take downs, I'm throwing haymakers your way. Yeah, he's fucking good, man. I mean, everybody other than Usman got fucked up by Colby. Everybody. And the Usman that faced Leon Edwards, man, I don't want to make excuses for Usman, but there is a reality of that guy's knees.

37:35It's an inescapable reality that I know firsthand. I've talked to him about it. I know people that have treated him. I know his knees are so fucked up. It is just his mind that allows him to compete at that level. We were talking about it during the last fight. When you see the difference between his upper body and his legs, right? His legs are like smooth and they're not that muscular. And then you look at his upper bodies off. Fucking superhero. Yeah. His upper body is so much bit because he can't do much with his legs, man, which is so crazy. Yeah. This guy is one of the greatest UFC Walter Reed champions in history.

38:12And he compromised. Yeah. He fucked up knees. Yeah. He has to walk backwards downstairs. Yeah. That's insane what he did. It's insane. But how old is he now? 36, 37. Yeah. And then he just lost to Hamzaat, which is just boy, look, when that fight was announced, I was like, ooh, that's a great fight. But if I was in Kamaz, I was in a shirt. Is that short notice, too? If I was in Kamaz, here I'm like, dude, no. And I would have said that the same thing to Volkanowski. I said, no. Not a short notice. Not 10 days. You're the world champion. Yeah. You're the world champion. You're one of the best ever.

38:49Yeah. And you have a real opportunity to go down to history as the greatest of all time. Then he gets head kicked with a 10 day camp and he gets knocked out. Like that's counts. Well, and it also can change your career. A hundred percent. Yeah. And a head kick like that could change your life. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the extent of the damage is. But there's been some head kicks where like Terry Adam, when Terry Adam fought Edson Barbosa, Edson Barbosa, Wheel kick Terry Adam in the head. And we kind of never saw Terry Adam fight at that level ever again. It was a devastating kick. He Wheel kicked him and just shut him off.

39:26And I believe it was the first Wheel kick knockout in the history of the UFC. I'm pretty sure it was perfect. Yeah. It was just like the perfect example of how devastating that kick is when applied properly. And Terry Adam was like a world class contender. And kind of never was the same again and he disappeared. Yeah. That's a risk. I mean, everybody likes somebody who will go out on their shield and take any fight and like always game. But man, 10 days is not enough. What's the risk? Because obviously he wasn't in shape. So he's having to lose all that weight, you know, 30 pounds or whatever had to lose.

40:03You're not going to be your best. No way. No way. You're fighting the champion. But then you have the opposite. Which is Tom Aspenal. Tom Aspenal fights Pavlovich and takes that fight on two weeks notice and becomes the interim champion and fucks his back up and can't train at all. That is crazy. Also though he's a heavyweight and he doesn't have to go. Yeah, that's what I'm just going to say. The bigger guys, I think it's not quite the same. It's not quite the same. Doesn't have to cut weight, which is a giant factor. So he doesn't have to do massive amounts of cardio and he could literally just let his body heal.

40:36And I don't know what he was even able to do. His back apparently was pretty fucked up. But the other good thing was that Pavlovich is not a grappler. In fact, his lone loss was to outsterover him and outstero got him down the ground and grounded bound to him. That was very early in his career. But Aspenal, like that guy's, he's something special. He really is something special. He's a very unusual, very unusual example. Yeah. Because he's a heavyweight and he's a big guy, a really big guy, but he moves so fast. And his coach. I think it's Colin. I forgot how to say his last name. How do you say his last name?

41:16Colin Hume? I forget. It's from Cobald. This gym that he trains at in the UK from the time he was young, emphasized his speed. So he knew he was going to be a big guy. You're always going to be a big guy. Yeah. Colin Huron. Yeah. That's it. Breaks down. Curse plays. He's challenged. Okay. So this guy who is, he trained down until he's, he looks tough himself. I'm sure he's tough. You don't train those guys unless you're tough. No. But the point is that like Colin from the early days of the, of the career was like emphasizing a speed. And so his speed has always been like extraordinary compared to other heavyweights.

42:01Like, just fucking moves in. It's all like fast explosive movements. So he's got natural speed, but then he's also got a lot of training to execute quickly. So when he moves in, he closed the gap. You can see like, fuck, he's fast for a big guy. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah. Uh, I don't know. And when I think of Volk, that fight, you know, was very close. He lost the first time. That was at the full camp at his best. Yep. I mean, yep. Yeah. He lost. He said he didn't, he needed something to do too. Wasn't he like that idle time was killing him? Yeah, I was killing him mentally, but he's got to fight with Ilya Tuporia, who is a fucking killer.

42:41Oh my god. That guy punches so hard. Oh, he does everything so good. Ilya Tuporia is, uh, that guy is, he is fucking special. He's a real challenge. When he fought Mitchell, because I thought Bryce Mitchell, I mean, he's good. Bryce Mitchell is very good. And he beat the shit out of him. He beat the shit out of him. But also Bryce Mitchell apparently was recovering from his blue. Oh, sick. That's right. Yeah. He said he wasn't making excuses. So I mean, it was making excuses, but here's an example. Maybe, I mean, I get it. I'm sure he's telling the truth. That was a freaking. It's a normal thing to have in the camp.

43:14That impressed me. How good. Yeah. What's his name? Tuporia. Yeah. Well, then the Josh Emmett fight was really impressive. He beat the fuck out of Josh Emmett and Josh Emmett is a hammer. He's a scary dude. And I think Tuporia is special. He's a Volkswagen him next. Yes. And he's fighting him after getting knocked unconscious. Yeah. And I mean, look, all fair play to Islam because Makachev looked fucking fantastic. He made all the adjustments between the first fight and the second fight. One of the first things he did is like heavy kicks to the body from the left side, which set up that high kick through a lot of front kicks down the middle.

43:51I mean, he was hammer and vulk from the outside. Yeah. Vulk did a lot of things in the first fight that he just could not do in the second fight. Because Makachev had improved so much. And I think the embarrassment of having a very close fight with a guy that you're supposed to steamroll, you know, and a guy who's the 145 pound champ, you're the 155 pound champ, you're talking about going to 170. And you have this incredibly close fight with this guy and you're not able to submit him and he's laughing at you and talking shit. At the end of the fight, he's on top. He's on top beating him up. I think that was a very, very strong motivating factor.

44:28And Makachev just trained like a fucking monster for the second fight, which was supposed to be not, who was it supposed to be? Olivera. Yeah. Supposed to be Olivera, Olivera gets injured, you know, but the point is like, he was that very best. He said it's very best. Very best. Always getting better. Yeah. He's the best pound for pound fighter in the world now. And I'm telling you that argument could have been before that fight. It could have been Volkanovsky. You could have said Volkanovsky's the best, even though he lost that fight. He's going up and wait extremely close. I kind of thought he won the fight.

44:59I gave him the nod, but very close. It's not a robbery, but very close. But now you got to say, well, Makachev just was bad. He's better. He's better than he was the first fight. And we don't really get a chance to see if Volkanovsky was better. Right. Because Volkanovsky didn't have a camp. You have to have a camp. The difference between these guys with a camp and without a camp is giant. It's like the difference you're fighting at 40 % and 100%. I couldn't imagine. It's crazy. I mean, mentally you'd have to, I don't know, how could you believe in yourself? So Kamarovsett. Kamarovsett, he kept wondering whether or not he had the gas to go.

45:33Didn't know if he had the gas to step on the gas. And at the end of the fight, you started tuning. He did. He did. He looked good in the third round. I was wishing that fight was two more rounds. I was wishing they'd just fucking figured out some shit for his knees. Yeah. If that guy didn't have bad knees, who's going to touch him? Yeah. He was so good in his prime. God damn. Especially when he got his, he got that power. You know, at first he didn't have it. It didn't seem like he was, you know, hardcore wrestling. But then, I mean, he hit Colby a couple times. He stopped Colby. But how when he knocked out, Mosvid, I was like, shot.

46:08Yeah, that was brutal. Power lights out. Yeah, he's a real warrior man. But the most, the thing that impresses me the most is his mind. The fact that he can overcome that pain. The fucking guys in pain walking, you know? It's like Goggins. People know now, because we talked about it, Goggins just got another fucking knee surgery. Yeah. I mean, his knees... After Tony or before Tony? Before Tony. Yeah. His knees are destroyed. They're destroyed. It's bone on bone. There's nothing going on there other than two bones banging into each other. And he's running thousands of miles. The doctor looked at David's knees and he said, I don't understand how you can walk.

46:47Never mind run a thousand miles. Right. How the fuck are you doing this? And it's just the mind. Yeah. That's the same thing with tomorrow. I love it. Tomorrow just, he just like puts that shit aside. How do you think that... What do you think about Tony training with David? What do you think it's going to do? I don't know. I don't know, because we've never seen anybody training with David before. Yeah. You know, like you could say on one hand, look, clearly, when the two of them are training together, David's not struggling at all. And Tony is struggling. So there is definitely some ground to gain when it comes to endurance.

47:24Or endurance. End mental strength. Yes. But it built endurance. Just Tony's, I mean, David's not even fucking tired. They're going side by side with each other. He's like, who's going to carry the boats? He's not even fucking tired. Because he can go for days. He could just go for days. He's an endurance athlete. Right. There's without a doubt some benefit in that. Yeah. So looking at the two of them are doing that. And they're doing the workouts together. Yeah. And David looks like he's like hanging out at fucking planet fitness. Yeah. You know, trying to pick up a check. You know, like he's like, so what are you doing after this?

47:56You know what I mean? Yeah, look at Tony standing up. Tony's dying. Tony's dying. I think he pukes here one of these videos. Yeah, he pukes. I'm sure he puked to top. But David said that Tony was the first guy to get through hell week with it. Yeah. Which is incredible. So they're doing miles of lunges, miles. And David's doing all this. Look at his knees, destroyed knees. And this is just a few weeks after another fucking surgery. Yeah. They opened up his knee like a fish and sewed that bitch back up together. I don't know what the fuck they did to it. He's such a stud. He's an animal. Just a fucking pure machine.

48:32You know who hates him? Who? Weekman. Yeah. Weekman. Weekman and jealous man and people who don't know him. He gets misunderstood, you know, unfortunately by some people that I like. They just they don't look into it hard enough. And then there's also there's a natural inclination to try to find someone who is just excelling above and beyond everyone and find shortcomings and then pick them apart, find something. Instead of just look at the message that guy is saying. All right. What is he saying? Take control. Take control. Use your fucking mind. Take control of your life and be better at everything.

49:10And you can do this. And I used to be a fat fucking. Look at me now. That's a great message man. That is. That message you sound. I mean, their message resonates with me and resonates with you. It resonates with all the people that we know. I mean, that is a fucking message and a half. And he's living it. He's not just saying it. He's living it. Yeah, it's a. I think he's a national treasure. Oh, so do I. I mean, you know, you have this quote I see it's been going around on Reels talking about God. There's a like a certain set of men who that are just, I can't remember how you say it. It's so good.

49:43I've been seeing people put put it on their own Reels, but like they're just built for, I don't know if it's chaos or something. Do you remember this spiel you had? I've said a lot of things. Yes. No, but it's like a good one. This go that's really popular right now. But it describes people like David to a T. Yeah. And it's a there are. There's a certain group of men who a lot of people aren't going to understand right because it's so different. But to those people, it's like those are the national treasure. Those are the people. There's a beacon. It's like, okay, that's the goal. Well, most people they don't understand what it's like to really test yourself and to really do something that's difficult all the time.

50:24I'm doing this thing now where I'm running this boot camp for comedians. Yeah, I've heard you've talked about it. So I did it today. Yeah. And so Derek Poston just joined today. Shout out to my man Derek. So Assana Ma, Derek Brian Simpson, Duncan Trussle, when he's in town, he was in town today in Shane Gillis. And we get after it. And these guys are getting after it. That's awesome. And they start every day with 100 push ups, 100 body weight squats. We do five sets. And I tell you, you can't do 100. Don't do 100. You can do five push ups in a row and you're struggling. Stop at five. I'm trying to build a base.

50:57Right. So I said, I don't want you to kill yourself. The whole idea here is we're just building a base. And we're going to keep going and they've been doing it consistently. This week was four times a week. For how long? For how long? This week. When we were with the rock, we worked out for three hours. No, two hours of work. When did you start this? We can't. Four weeks. Four weeks now. So they're four weeks in. Yeah, nice. And we're very consistent. They should be seeing results. They're seeing results. Yeah. But they're seeing results in how they feel almost immediately. Because I'm not killing them.

51:24I'm not killing them. But when the rock was here, I killed them. Yeah. And the rock was here. I was like, we were going to get after it today. How'd that big fucker do? He did pretty good, except for the mobility stuff. Like windmills. He struggled with windmills. And he struggled with a couple of things. Windmills. Is that the thing that you do? Uh huh. Nobody can do those. Yeah, I can do those. Yeah. People can do them. Well, they require flexibility, but they require range of motion and core strength. That's a real core strength thing. But that is a thing. Those in Turkish get -ups are they're not sexy.

51:55They don't give you big biceps, but those apply very well to functional strength, like martial arts and things like that. Like if you got a carrier, a fucking out quarter up a hill, they really work for that. Because you can throw stuff around like your core. Yeah. It can manipulate heavy things. So I do it with 70 pounds, right? So I clean and press 70 pounds. And then I have this motion where I'm going all the way down like that, and then all the way back to the road. No, I tried it. It's, it works those lower back muscles. It works your abdominals. It works the strength and stability of your shoulder.

52:32It works everything. And do you, but that's not Turkish get -ups. No, Turkish get -ups is, that's even harder. Yeah, what do you get that way? Those guys are going to start that next week. Now they know. So Turkish get -ups, they should be doing it with no weight, right? Well, I'm going to start them with 10 pounds. Something, I mean, just doing it is hard. Yeah, especially when you're doing reps. We're going to start, they're going to do it with 10 pounds. What Turkish get -ups is you line your back, you know what it is, right? You line your back, you press it, and then you get up. You get up to one leg.

53:01You lift it overhead, stand up, and then slowly lower yourself back down, lie back down on the ground again. Switch hands. Get up. All one leg. Stand up. Lower yourself down. And, you know, I'm going to show them a technique. How to hip, you know, hike your hips up. You know, pop your hips up when you get one leg up. You know, see, you put one leg up. You pop your hips up. You get the other leg underneath you, and then you stand up. But it's not sexy. No. But it's very, very, very functional. And it just breaks you down. There was a guy back in this gym that I trained. It's closed down now. It was international fitness, but his name is Will Denwitty.

53:37And he was the strongest guy I've ever seen, but he used to do that with 135. Like he put the Olympic bar with the 45s on it and do Turkish get -ups with 140. Oh my God. He's an animal. Oh, he also squatted 225, 100 times without stopping. Just like 100 reps. I gave him a t -shirt. Just body weight. I gave him a t -shirt. Yeah, I know. I gave him one of my t -shirts. This is like 10 years ago. And I'm like, you earned that. I mean, just took him seven minutes or something like that. Is it a key pamper? I'm sure it was at nobody cares, try harder. No, I think it was a... The greater the sacrifice, the greater the reward or something like that.

54:16Goddamn, that's a crazy one. But yeah. That's powerful. Yeah, he's a beast. But anyway, that's where I first saw Turkish get up. Cause he would put on, I mean, he'd be yelling and screaming and putting on a show over there. I told my boys they were just starting lifting. And I'm like, that's the strongest guy in Springfield. And nobody knows them really other than in this gym, but he's just a freak. Have you ever heard of Tom Havalon? No. Okay. Who's that? This guy's a real weirdo. He's a freak that lives in Australia. And he does these insane workouts and he puts them on Instagram, go to his Instagram.

54:54And he wears like fucking flannel shirts and jeans and shit. Probably a cow, is it? I don't know why, I mean, join it. Well, it's good, I can't get access to it until you're pretty much. Oh shit. Hmm. Why is he private, Tom? I think because he doesn't want to be bothered because all he does is the guy's out in the outback, fucking lifting homemade weights. He's six foot five, I think. And he's 300 pounds. God. And just jie. Damn, I want to see you. And the workout, that's the guy. And the fucking workouts that this guy does, there's on a goddamn chance in hell he passed the piss test. I bet his piss melts styrofoam.

55:39But this guy, it's jailhouse strong. It was like some, I don't even know if he's been in jail, but he looks like a guy that you wouldn't want to go to jail with. But I mean, he's just absolutely freakishly powerful. Yeah, he is. This is like normal conventional stuff, but the stuff that he does like on his property, he does all this stuff outside. So he's got like fucking dogs running around and shit and he's deadlifting 600 pounds and walking around with it. He does like freakish shit. And he documented all on Instagram. I wish I could show you. I wish I could stream it to you, Jamie.

56:19Yeah, yeah, he's a stud. I don't know, there's some guy. I love following guys like that. But it's definitely private. So like look at the kind of shit he does. So this is how he works out. He works out with like a fucking lumber jack shirt on it. I've seen this guy outside. So he's got his, he's got the most freakish physique ever and he's got it covered up. I don't even know how much weight that is. That most of the, most of the videos are you seeing him? 49, 749. Yeah, Zerker. Zerker swath. This is insane. And he's, you see him from behind when he's doing all these things. Yeah, so here he's pressing 612.

56:59He's benching 612. Like what the fuck dude? And he just throwing it up there for reps for five reps, 612. And what just wants to be a freak? Just a freak. That's the goal. Just a freak. I mean, I don't know what his goals are other than that. But I mean, some of the shit that he does is just fucking insanity. Look at this deadlift. Look at the size of that motherfucker. No, no. Now imagine also he's 6 '5. God. 6 '5, 300 pounds and just deadlifting. What's he deadlifting there? 1 ,000, 3 pounds. Imagine how good, like back in the first year. There are seas. Like, like, look at that. Look at his neck shit.

57:40He'd be a perfect guy for the, remember when UFC started? Yeah, but not really. Hoist will have strung a little. I know, but he'd been fun to see him. The size of this motherfucker. Holy shit. Yeah, it does always atleast don't stuff. And a lot of the stuff he does is like, he carries things around a lot, which is very interesting. He does a lot of explosive training and a lot of just carrying things. Like see how he's like dragging and he drags him off like, so he's got like way on one side. Yeah. And then he'll switch it to the other side. Oh, he's 6 '7. 7. 6 '7. Fucking giant. The guy's so big.

58:14Yeah, but you know, that's a freak show that like pride would have liked. Mm -hmm. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, that would have thrown some money on him. Like, if you could teach that guy how to fight. Yeah, him versus who is that the big black guy? Oh, Bob's app. Yeah, yeah. Bob's app was 75 pounds every the name. I know, but imagine this. What is he way? I think he was actually trying to weigh 400 pounds. Tom Havillaud. Wasn't he trying to get up to 400? That's a good weight. That's total doable. I think he's pushing, I think he's heavier than 300 pounds. Now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. 385.

58:50365. 365. Three, what? What? That was the thing, that's right. Now that I'm thinking about it, is the road to 400 pounds. So he's trying to build himself. I want to see him versus Bob's app. But what he does a lot of, which is very interesting, is like unconventional type workouts, like where he attaches a chain to his right arm and he's dragging behind all these weights, while he's carrying a log with his two arms. I saw that, that was. He does a lot of interesting stuff like that, that he thinks that that's important. Like of course. Yeah, like farmers carries and shit with insane amounts of weight.

59:21I've heard that before from many people that not just pushing things and pressing things, but carrying them around is where you get real strength. Yeah, you're rocks. Yeah, that's right. That rocks. You guys take up to Pigska. Works. Yeah, there's something to that. There's something to unconventional movements. Because your body has to hold and correct, and your core just gets hammered. Just like the Turkish get ups, same kind of thing. Yeah, and that's what it's all about. It's just like not being just, a lot of people can be strong straight, just doing pretty uniform movements. But when you can be strong out of position, awkward things, that's real strength.

1:00:00That's real strength. And I think that real strength also applies to conventional lifts. And that's why guys like this Tom Havillon guy can lift insane amounts of weight also. A little bit of Mexican supplements, if you know what I'm saying, maybe. Little maybe. Creating. Yeah, oh, yeah. And Brent's changing amino acids, they're very important. And milk, a lot of milk. Yeah, he's probably eating wild boar milk. Yeah. What the fuck that guy eats? But that's a huge fella. Oh my God. That's the greatest thing about social media is finding freaks like that. You know what I mean? And this freak, I mean, I think that's all he's doing.

1:00:39I mean, he's not like selling things. He's not like telling people like, hey, get a part of my workout program, 20 % off with code, be a freak. No, he's just fucking just a beast. And his photos, it's very unflattering because everything he's doing is from behind. You only see his back and he's covered up. Everything is covered up. He's wearing like a lumberjack shirt. Yeah, that's where it's kind of that Sam Solic does that too. You know who that kid is? Who's Sam Solic? Dude, Jamie, you gotta look him up. He's like 21, just a fucking freak. But he wears this all this big shit and will do the hardest squats.

1:01:19Like so much weight, deep, just freak. But then when he takes his shit off, I can't remember what they call it. Like when you're all covered up. And then, so you never let them reveal? Yeah, then you never let anybody really see what a freak you are. Oh, yeah, actually, I think I've seen this before too. Yeah, Sam Solic. Yeah, you gotta look at him. Solic, S -U -L -E -K. Oh, Jesus. Jesus Christ. He is like young 20s. Oh, I have heard about him because he used to be a lot smaller and then got saucy. He used to be a diver. Whoa. Yeah, like a, you know, into a pool type thing. Really? Yeah. I bet he makes a hell of a fucking splash.

1:02:03Well now, there is like an old one. Okay, so it was 183 pounds in 2000 and... In 2019. And now what is he weighed now? 237 in 2023. That's crazy. Yeah. That's so crazy. That's so much weight. And I don't know how, I think he's super young. He looks young. Yeah. Also he covers himself up like that when he was... Yeah, like even, like show some squats, Jamie. There's some good... I don't know if he had it on this... I was starting to look behind the video. There's not a lot of video. Oh, I see. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's on YouTube. 3 .6 million followers. Yeah, he's got a lot of... That's where he gets all those videos.

1:02:54Well, like what does he have? Yeah, 2 .3 million subscribers on YouTube. Just from being jacked. Just a freak though. Isn't it crazy that just being jacked could get you millions of subscribers now? Yeah. Yeah, right. So this is what he'll do. But he trains freaking hard. So he's doing like all kinds of crazy... Yeah, let's watch this one. Crazy little mental battle before the set of squats. I think it's worth discussing. Bro, you can hear the stellar. It's in his voice. He's gargling its steroids. I've played it on that one. I didn't... Who cares, Jack? I know. But there... I don't know. We're gonna fucking legs on him.

1:03:36Holy shit. Look at his fucking thighs. Bro, that guy must chafe like a motherfucker. He needs some good meat undies. The kind that go all the way down. Yeah. Those boxer briefs. Keep your legs from rubbing in the center. Yeah, I don't really know what his goal is. But... Be massive or... I mean, more massive. Maybe it's Tom Havillon. And maybe that's his goal. These guys, you know, they want to be when you walk in a room. They want people to be like, whole, like, pointing. Like, holy shit. Look at this freak. Well, he gained 50 pounds in, what, four years? And he shredded. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

1:04:09Yeah. Yeah, you don't do that with oatmeal. No. You need some help. Need a little help. Yeah, so I step away, you saw that. It's... All right. Yeah, nothing to see here. It's fun to see guys like that. I don't know. It is fun. I don't want to do it. But it's fun to see. Yeah. Like, that Tom Havillon guy, I'm obsessed with watching him. I think Brian Kalen was the first guy to tell me about him. But he isn't Brian Gay. It's like, I'm sure he was attracted to him. No, he's attracted to some men. But he's not gay at all. He's attracted spiritually. Oh. Yeah, he's not sexually attracted to them. Oh, yeah, to their...

1:04:43You'll be imagines if he was in prison. Right. That he would do with that guy, and that guy would protect him. Yeah. And he wouldn't snuggle with him. Keep him warm. Yeah. Yeah. Spooky dudes. There's some people out there doing freaky shit. But man, that's a great way to get hurt too. Try emulating that. I mean, when you're lifting like very, very heavy, I don't lift heavy. Obviously, I'm not big like that. The heaviest thing I lift is like 90 pounds. I occasionally do 90 pound kettlebells. I think it's good though, because yeah, you're not gonna do that, but you see how hard he's working. I mean, he's soaked with sweat doing squats.

1:05:20Oh, yeah. That's... I think people can be inspired by that and be like... Fuck yeah. Hey, I need to. I'm not gonna be a freak, but I can push harder. Also, it might make them take a road trip to Mexico to fill up the trunk. I don't know. I know. You know, here for a good time, not a long time. Well, that's definitely the case with folks like that. Yeah. You know, because a lot of those guys, you know, those really big guys, they have real problems. Yeah. So, you know, there was that one good rich piano. I know. I love that guy. Yeah, that guy was ridiculous. I still share his, like, he's got so many good reels too.

1:05:56Yeah. Like, he just says crazy stuff. Because he's like, the one, my favorite, is that he's sitting with this girl. And he's like kind of a serious question. He's like, he goes, would you rather have the dick hang lower than the balls or the balls hang lower than the dick? That was concern. That was his question to her. Yeah. Well, some people worry about stars and asteroids and black holes and aliens. And some people worry about balls and dicks. Yeah. So, he has so many funny ones like that. He was so freakishly huge. No, he's giant. He was so stupid. He had an eight hour arm workout. I know.

1:06:32Look at this. Yeah. I mean, but he was like super open about his asteroid use. And, you know, he died from it. He died at, like, I think he was like in his early 40s or mid 40s. I think I thought he was. Look at this. I know. Size of his neck. His neck looks like there's a tumor below his ear. Yeah. Look at this. The fucking neck muscles. That's so preposterous. Look at his arms, dude. Ridiculous. He used to do an eight hour arm workout. Mm -hmm. Insane. I know. Insane. But I guarantee you, no matter where he walked in, yeah. People noticed him. That's a goal. Well, that's what he wanted. Yeah.

1:07:07Yeah. I mean, teach their own. I mean, I love the fact that it's freedom. You could do whatever you want. If you want to be that guy, you could be that guy. Mm -hmm. I don't want to be that guy, but, you know, he obviously that's what he enjoyed. Gold 22 -inch calves. Jesus Christ. I didn't know he did legs at all. That's like a waist. Oh, he did legs. Yeah, giant legs. His legs were huge. I just so focused on the arms. They're preposterous, but they're probably useless. Didn't he have like an MMA fight? I feel like he had an MMA fight. I thought he died from, he passed out and hit his head when he's getting a haircut.

1:07:48Really? I think so. Really? Thought so. Are you just putting that out there? Are you doing research? No, I don't do much research. I thought he had like a massive heart attack or something. No. I don't. It's a lot of how those guys go. Yeah. It's like everything gets bigger. Oh, yeah, yeah. When you're taking this heart, it was probably this big tube. Yeah, it was probably a basketball. Superhuman levels of everything. Let's see how he died. He collapsed in early August and died after being in a coma for two weeks. Mm -hmm. Drunken involvement could not be ruled out for you since you were little.

1:08:23Drunken involvement couldn't be ruled out. Crazy. Yeah. I don't know. It's, yeah, it's pretty young to die. But I didn't know that. I bet if you got vaccinated, they'd rule that out. I did. Yeah. Heart disease reported. Oh, yeah. And the history of drug use. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not good. Probably never touched cardio. No, fuck. That burns muscle. Fuck outta here with your cardio. Twenty bottles of steroids found out his house. Only twenty? What's the name of treat orders? Yeah. Jesus bottles of steroids. Jesus Christ, buddy. Yeah. That's amazing. Oh. Uh. Have you shot your new bow yet? I have not.

1:09:06No. Your Alpha X? No, I've been too busy. Unfortunately, I'm supposed to, I was supposed to go to take it today. But obviously I had some stuff we had to do today. Yeah. But I'm going to take it on Monday. Go down. It's a good bow. Well, archery country. Yeah, I'm very excited. Look, if it's better than last years, last years models were better than the year before, which I don't know how they keep doing. I don't either. But Hoyt keeps making better bows every year. They're just smoother and more accurate. Like I shot my, um, not this, this past year's bow, but the year before, I shot it one day just for goof.

1:09:40I said, let me just pick up my old bow. Yeah. See how that shoots. It wasn't out tune. But it was significant. Like I could see the difference in accuracy and the feel in the hand. It was like a little more vibration in the hand, a little, a little more clunky in the draw cycle. And then I picked up last year's bow and was like, wow, you feel the smoothness of the draw cycle. And then it just, I was more confident with it. It felt more accurate. It's crazy how they just keep making them better. I think when you're so dialed in with, with your bow and you shoot as much as it doesn't take much of a difference to feel it.

1:10:13Right. You know what I mean? You shoot so much. Yeah. A little change. You're going to be like, whoa, it feels like a lot, even though it's a little. But you imagine being those engineers and you've got to like fine tune every single aspect of these cams and the limbs and the limb pockets and the visor. And one little thing they did, which is pretty cool because you know how you have those little kickstand things, the go sticks. Yeah. And you're last year, the cam would sit in the dirt or whatever. Now they have a little shelf that it sits on. Yes. Even that little tiny, that's an improvement.

1:10:49That's an improvement. But that's a big one because I would be looking at where my cam was sitting and where the string was kind of rubbing on rocks and dirt and be like, God, is that wearing through? So they, they pretty much come up, think of everything to make it better, to tweak, to fine tune. And then you feel it. I mean, the Bose this year, that, that one I just set up, they say, you know, who knows how they, I'm sure they measure it, but it's 25 % quieter, I believe. And it's, I don't know what percent, but it's quiet. Very quiet. Yeah. I don't know how they're doing all that. I don't either.

1:11:24And then there's the factor of heavy arrows versus lighter arrows, lighter hours, make more noise, heavier hours or a little quieter. Yeah. But not probably not 25%. That's a lot. No, you're, you are obsessed with art, like you're always sending me, hey, have you seen this? Have you seen these? Have you seen these heads? Have you seen these hair? Yeah. I mean, it's so cool. That's a, that's kind of the, the best part about archery is all the options. Mm -hmm. You know, it's just how can I tweak this, make it a little better, give you a little more confidence. Is this going to perform better? That's the, I mean, that's the chase every day.

1:12:01Yeah, I'm excited about those, uh, arrow, those broad heads. That I showed you, those tooth of the arrow, broad heads. Yeah. I like those because they're American made and they figured out some way, they, first of all, they cut them out of one solid piece of steel and they figured out a way to have most of the mass in the feral. So apparently they fly really good. So Jordan over to archery country was shooting them out to 100 is like, dude, these are incredible. They shoot so good. And it's a four blade head. Yeah. So like, the four inches a cut. Mm -hmm. That's what the XL's. I think these smaller ones are a little bit less, but it's still more than three inches a cut.

1:12:34Does the XL's weigh more than 100 grains? No, they get, they can get them in 100 grains, 125, I think 115, 175. And all they're doing is just putting more mass in the feral. It's not a bigger thing. Like so it's still like a heavy field point. And so the mass goes deep into the arrow and into the front, front point. It's not in the heads. So they probably, and especially with the vented ones, they probably won't plane or won't plane much, but then you don't have to think about mechanicals, whether they open or not open or shooting them through grass or anything kind of stuff. So I'm, I got a hunt with Ronella.

1:13:11We're going to hunt for white tails in South Texas for meat eater. That would be fun. In a couple of weeks. Yeah. So I'm going to use those heads. Okay. I'm going to try them out. Did you stay with the FMJs or the access already trying those procoms? I do not know. Yeah. We are trying to figure out what, what arrows to use. We're going to, we're going to sort that out actually this weekend. Didn't. Okay. Because I'm trying to go a little lighter. Because procoms I think would be, because minor 484. The problem is like there's not the best options for lighted knocks with four millimeter arrows.

1:13:46I sent you like from Gary at Eastern. That whatever brand he shows. Yeah. He says, hey, loads of the, or the move. Yeah. So I'll, I'll give those a try. There's also a fire knocks. Have you ever seen that guy? I don't use lighted knocks. That guy is a fucking mad scientist. There's this gentleman who is a, I think he was a physicist or some kind of, he's got some sort of background and science. And he created this like very high end lighted knock called a fire knock. And you have to, it's more difficult to install. You have to kind of glue in an insert and then screw it into the insert. But they're supposed to be super legit and very, very tight tolerances.

1:14:28So I might try those out too. Yeah. So fun. There's so much to tinker with. I know. It's so fun. But you got to make sure that you're done tinkering like a couple weeks out. So like, oh yeah. So like I, I'll tinker up until a certain point. And I'm like, I'm locked in. This is what I'm using. Now it's time to just practice with that. And let's get it all locked in. I had to give up on like I'm a big fan of Garmin. I love all their stuff. You know, I have this Garmin watch that I love this. Yeah. I just love that. I just got GPS on it. I can put maps on it. I can literally take phone calls, listen to music.

1:15:05It's got a stopwatch, barometer, altitude. It's so functional for the, it even has a fucking light. Look at that. If you're out in the woods, you double tap this bitch. Bam. It's actually pretty bright. That's pretty bright. I love this. How long does the battery last? Fucking weeks. Really? Weeks. Weeks. That's impressive. Like a month. Like it'll tell you, I think I've got like 25 days of battery life. I'm blind. It's not light right now. It's crazy. But I was running that Garmin site that they have a range finding site. Right. I was having a problem with it though. Like sometimes at distance, I was getting multiple ranges on like a, like that foam elk target that I have in my yard.

1:15:49Like I'd be at full draw and I know that it's 74 yards away, but I would be getting 82, 71, 65. And I'm like, what is going on here? And holding right on it. I'm trying to hold right on it. Maybe I'm moving a little bit, but how much am I moving? And why isn't it, I don't think it's totally, I think look, I used it last year and I had a perfect shot on two white tail deer and a Neil guy with that, with that. I liked it. But that scared me. Then I'm getting different ranges. So like, what if I'm at full draw on an animal and it says 67, but it's really 74? Yeah. That's a problem. That's not good.

1:16:27And with a 522 grain arrow at that much distance, you're going to have a lot of drop. Yeah. So I switched before Utah. I went back to the spot hog and I went to just using that loophole full draw, which I really like because it shows you the height of your arrow. That's giant, man. That's giant. If you have a gap that you're shooting through and you're like, I don't know what the fuck is going to happen here. That thing is so dialed in. It measures the speed of your arrow. It tells you you put in all these different things. Like how fast your arrow is, what your arrow weighs. And it'll tell you exactly what's the height of the arrow trajectory.

1:17:04So at the arc. So when you range it, and I used it in California because there was a gap that I was shooting through and I ranged it and I knew I had full confidence I was going to get through that gap because I had that line. It showed me the line was like four or five inches below where I needed to pass through. And that's perfect too because without that assurance, sometimes you're picking a spot, but you're still thinking about that, of course, this arrow going. And that can cause that focus to a falter. And that results in a bad shot. So it's so much confidence. Yeah. Like you have to, you have, when you're executing a shot, you have to say, I know I'm going to hit 100%.

1:17:44If you can't say, I hope, if you say, I hope it, oh, you're fucked. It's like pool. I know. I was talking to Joel Turner about that. That there's real parallels between archery and pool is that you have to have a shot process that you go through. Like when I play pool, I have a very specific shot process. I go through with every shot. And before the shot, when I'm playing well, especially, I'll take my practice strokes. And then I pause the back end and drive through with like a, a port, like I try to use a perfect stroke where it's just the weight of the, the weight of the pool queue and there's the forward motion of the arm is perfectly timed.

1:18:23And I'm kind of like allowing that cue to do all the work with the weight of my arm and the stroke. And if you don't have that thing in your head, like, I am going to make this shot. If you say, I hope I don't miss. You're going to fucking miss every time. Yeah. Archery, you have like a more of a window because like you could say, you could put your pen on the target. I hope it on miss. But as long as your pins in the target, maybe it'll be like three inches here, four inches there. But still, I'm shooting into a four inch pocket. Yeah. From nine feet away, you, there's no room for. For if you're off that much or more of the cues here.

1:18:57Exactly. Yeah. And then as the distance goes, like if you're shooting a seven foot shot, as the distance goes, if you're off like a half of a millimeter, yeah, it's going to over the distance, right? It's going to be two inches. Yeah. It's going to be fucked. Yeah. Yeah. So there's very precise. But that's what I love about archery. And that's what I love about pool. It's like the arrows don't give a fuck who you are. They don't give a fuck where you live. What kind of car you drive? Like it's like, are you doing it right? It's there's no room for fuckery. Right. It is, you got to be dialed in, you got to be prepared.

1:19:40You have to have thousands of arrows down range. Thousands where you know, you know what that feels like when that shot breaks and you watch that arrow, and you practice. And you know, like you know better than anybody, we practice in camp. Yeah. We don't just get to camp and say we're done. No, every time you get a chance, we're lined up at the targets and we're shooting at 90 yards. It's a, you know, it's so hard to gain that confidence. Or you said, you know, am I going to do I know I'm going to hit it perfect? Or do I hope I'm going to hit it perfect? So getting that confidence like, no, I know I'm going to hit it perfect is so freaking hard and can go away like that like that.

1:20:19I mean, one fucking shitty shot. And you're just like, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. I mean, that's where archery can be brutal because once you're confidence and you start doubting something that takes on a life of its own. And archery has so many factors. There's the, you know, you have your release. You have the site. You have the rest. Maybe your arrows are touching the rest. Maybe maybe you've got your, the way your pins are set up when you have your furthest distance pin. Maybe your fletchings are touching the bottom of the housing. String stretch. String stretch. You're string over time.

1:20:59You have to make sure that you're when before you go on a hunt, you got to bring it in and check the chronograph. Is it still at 273 feet a second? Oh, shit. It's at 265 now. My string stretched. So now you have to put some twists and the strings and I have to add a couple yards to shoot. Yeah. There's so much going on. Yeah. And then just the preciseness of these sight tapes is this. It's so amazing how much goes on like when you use archers advantage. You're entering in the weight of the arrow, though the, the, the, the length of the arrow. Like what is the poundage of the bow? What's the speed per second that you're shooting?

1:21:36Like, yeah, there's so much. There's a lot of, a lot of data going in there. But when you execute a perfect shot, not even on just on an animal, just on a target, just you're shooting at like 75 yards and the shot breaks and you watch that go. Right in the center. It's a beautiful moment. Oh, yeah. I wish everybody could feel that. If everybody, the world goes away, the world goes away when you execute a perfect shot. That's what I had a Hubertman, you know, down and he was, you know, he's so intelligent, obviously, but like an analytical and everything. But it's like we're, and he's focusing so hard at the bow rack, just doing everything, focusing so hard.

1:22:18And I'm like, how great is this? I said, what are you thinking about other than shooting this bow right now? And he's like, nothing. I'm like, that's it. Yeah, you can't. That's so beautiful about it. It's like people say they're a puny and all this, but it is because you can't beat. If you're distracted, you're not going to hit anywhere close to what you want. No, or not consistently. You might get lucky, but it's one of those things that takes all your focus, which is so freeing. Because then you're not worried about all the other BS of life. It's, it cleans your mind. It's, it's like Jiu Jitsu does that too.

1:22:51Like when you're doing Jiu Jitsu, it's cleans your mind because you can't think of anything else because someone's on top of you trying to yank your arm off. Strangely you. Yeah. It's like you, you have to be completely engaged in the moment. And that's very hard for people to do, to find things that keep them in the moment. We are so constantly distracted by mostly things that aren't even important. Like I can't tell you how many times I'm up at night worried about, I mean, it is a concern, but I'm worried about Ukraine and I'm worried about, you know, Israel and Palestine and I worry about nuclear war, worry about chaos.

1:23:27I worry about the fact that they're sending these young men to go and die in these wars. And some people are so flippant about it. It's so easy for them. And I freak out about these things. And sometimes it's like, it fucks me up because I go to bed with that in my head. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just lying. I'm in bed going and I like, is this the verge of World War three? Like if you were living in some place like right before a war broke out the day before that happens, everything's normal. Yeah. October 6th in Israel, everything's normal. Right. And also in everything fucking changes. And then the world is chaos.

1:24:00You're like a world's upside down. You know, I think you need something. You certainly need to be aware of the world, but you need to, everyone needs something that can take them out of that. Yeah. And I think for some people it's golf, some people it's pool or something, whatever the fuck it is, it's running whatever it is. But you need something that takes you out of that and allows you to be in the moment. What I like, this is another part to it. But what I like, so like with the human man or with somebody like people say intellectuals, but people who are operate up here all the time. I never up there.

1:24:34So I don't have to fucking worry about it. But it's like operating at this highest level of intelligence of whatever they're at. But what I like about archery and hunting is like, this is a basic. So you can't get up here unless you're down here figuring out what you're going to eat. Right. And how to do it. So it's either you can get it all figured out and say, well, I'm not going to kill shit myself, but I'm going to could I pay somebody? Could you kill something for me? And then here's some money, right? Somebody still has to do the bottom shit. But I think I told Andrea, I'm like, God, if you could, I would see you're up here all the time.

1:25:09But if you could also understand the bottom, what it takes to kill and get out there, carry a rock up a fucking mountain, do that, that hard, gritty, lower level shit. And imagine what you could, because I always say, I would love for you to have your perspective to build and explain what hunting is in your way. Because I can't, I can do it like what I've been doing the whole life. Right. But somebody who operates up here all the time could also understand the basics of survival. God, imagine what enlightenment he might build a shine on. Why we hunt? Yeah, he would definitely be able to have a very unique perspective with his mind.

1:25:52And that's what Peter Tia brings to the table. Because Peter has become obsessed with bow hunting over the last few years. And he's so fucking fascinating because he and I will have these conversations. We'll talk about broad heads and this and that. All the things and hills shoot an animal. And then he will make a video where he does an autopsy. Right. And he breaks it down and uses terms. I don't understand what the fuck to talk about. All these different, yeah. You know, different types of hemorrhaging and this and that. And what the area of the lung had hit. And this is why it took so long for the dying.

1:26:25And this why it died quickly because it severed these arteries and caused massive hemorrhaging and. Yeah. Yeah. That's super interesting. But I don't get any of that shit. I mean, I get the major organs. And I know what happens for the hero goods to there. But within those organs, like you're saying different parts of the lungs. Yeah, it's who knows what? And like he's breaking it down as a surgeon, even even like with a human man. We're in the borac. And he's like talking about we had it on the lift for an episode. But he's like, he says something like, oh, like on skateboarding, you can switch stance.

1:27:01Like left foot forward, right foot forward. I think he goes, can you do that with the boat? Like left hand right hand. And I was like, no, it's your dominant eye. You know, you got to use your dominant eye. And so he starts to explain why prey animals with their eyes on the side. They, if you're not moving, they can't, you're basically invisible because they have to be able to see that movement. And sometimes it'll go like this to like use both eyes. Whereas, whereas we're like depth perception because our eyes on the front, we can see movement like this. A prey animal can't anyway. He's explaining this whole thing.

1:27:34Like you could talk about anything with hunting where I would be like, this is black and white. Oh, you do this because of that. And then he would have some crazy explanation with amazing detail on why it's this way or that way. It's pretty fascinating. So I'm like, God dang. If you could bow hunt and get out there and understand what it means to be, you know, we're, we're predator hunting prey. And just what is that? What is that about? Right. You know, I just want to hear his take on it because that's his like his superpower is he's 20 times smarter than anybody, but can talk where I can understand it.

1:28:13Yes. Not all those smart guys can't do that shit. Yeah. But he can. So he's gone through an interesting journey with broad heads too. You know, because he, oh Peter. Yeah. Yeah. Because he shot a two blade single bevel head. And did you ever see it? No. OK. I'm going to show it to you because it's kind of crazy. When you see it, you're not going to believe it. He had to make a follow up shot. Well, you wouldn't imagine it when you see this. And now, so we had this conversation. And he was saying, do you know, like there's, there's this thing, whether or not you want to have a big cut. Like you have been using over the last few years.

1:28:55Yeah. With these, the ones that you like, the Grim Reaper, Corner Force, which is a big cut. Or would you want to get penetration? Mm -hmm. Right? And both. Yeah. So, well, that's why you shoot like a really, a really powerful boat. Now, look at the, look at the shot placement. That looks perfect. Perfect. Right? Yeah. He had to make a follow up shot. And was it perfectly broadside? Yep. That is, I mean, crazy. That's where he wants it. In the crease. It's perfect. Perfect. Now, imagine if you hit that thing with a corner for chaos. No, it's not going anywhere. Right? So that's the benefit. That doesn't make sense.

1:29:34Right. But he went right through it. Through the lungs. Both lungs. That is weird. Yeah. Crazy. You look at it, you're like, how? But I think that's the thing about a small cut, a very small single blade or, you know, a two -body rubber that slices right through. And it's, you just get an inch and a half slice. Right. That's it. And maybe you can see it up. Maybe it takes a long time for it to bleed out. I mean, whatever it is. But when you have something like one of the things we were talking about was these, these tooth of the arrows. So I sent him these images that I got from this, this is a guy named John Lusk.

1:30:13And he has these very interesting videos where he does all these tests on the rod heads. Everything. He's got like a whole system to it. He's very scientific about it. Look at the fucking holes that those tooth of the arrows make. That's the XL four blade, which makes your steel through steel four inches of cut. And it makes a canal. This, this wound channel is not healing. That's not healing up. You're going to get blood out of that thing. People don't see that. That's what it looks like. And that's the goal is, you know, to kill with an arrow, you need hemorrhage. Right. And here, that type of hemorrhage, that type of wound channel is going to allow that animal to expire quick.

1:30:55I mean, it's going to die fast in seconds. That's what we want. And also one of things that he showed in his explanations or his videos, John Lustid, which I'm very interested about with his tooth of the arrow, brought ahead, is that it got incredible penetration too. So he does this test where he shoots them into styrofollow, layers of cardboard. Right. And I think this 125 grain one had the record. It went through 75 layers or 73 layers of cardboard, which is insane. That's a lot of layers. I wonder how heavy is the arrow? Not sure. Not sure. Yeah, because that makes a big difference. Makes a big difference.

1:31:32Yeah. But it's just, he's a standard set up. He's a 72 pound bow. If it's the same with every head. And one's every head. And one's outpinnitating the other side of me. Exactly. Exactly. And it has four blades as opposed to two. So you're getting double the cut at least. Yeah, I always think that. So if you have two blade and the animals say two foot wide, that's 48 inches of cut. Right. If you got four, that's 96 inches of hemorrhage. Big difference. Big difference. Big difference. You imagine a 96 inch cut. How much that's going to bleed? Yeah. And it's a channel through the body. So if you get a pass through, that thing sprang of both sides.

1:32:12And then maybe even more importantly, what you do and what I do is we lift weights. So we're strong. So we can pull back a heavy bow. And so now you're shooting a really powerful 80 plus pound bow that is launching this 520 grain arrow at 300 feet a second. And so when it does hit, it's a tremendous amount of momentum and force. And it's just blown through everything. So when people say you don't need that, Paul Bach, the Con, wait, I've heard that stupid shit so many times, it drives me nuts. And it's just people that are trying to make an excuse for why they're not strong. Yeah. Well, you don't need 60 pounds then.

1:32:51Because why do you need 60 pounds? And by the way, 60 pounds for you is probably harder than 90 pounds is for me. Yeah. Because you don't work out. And what I always say is, yeah, I shoot 90, you shoot 60, 70. I will kill every animal you'll kill if you hit at the same place. You won't kill every animal kill. Yes. So there's two it. That's all there is to it. I'll go through more shit and still kill it than you will. But every arrow that you shoot that kills mine would do the same thing. There's no argument that having less power is good. It doesn't make any sense. The whole idea is maximum lethality and the maximum amount of, you want to humane kill where it kills it quickly and ethically.

1:33:35So that means you have to be fucking super dedicated to your practice. And I think you should be super dedicated to your fitness. And you should be doing rows every fucking day, building those back muscles so that when you do pull back 70 pounds, 80 pounds, whatever, it's not hard. It seems pretty simple. Yeah. You know, like there's a video of me pulling back that 95 pound bow that Dudley made me, that squirrely bow that I had a couple years ago. That thing was ridiculous. But I pull that fucker back easy. Yeah. I can do, I live a lot of weights. I live all the time. I'm constantly doing chin ups.

1:34:10I do weighted chin ups. I do chin ups for the 25 pound vast. I do all these things. You can. Yeah. So I get ready for it. I need to be at your best. So you don't need that. Shut the fuck up pussy. I know what you're doing. I know why you're saying that you're the only reason why anyone would say that is to try to make up for the fact that they're not strong. Yeah. That's all it is. That's it. You know, and you know, hunters love them. Love bow hunters. Love the whole, this whole community. But God, we are so judgmental. Some are. I mean, they're a loud voice. It's, but it's a small percentage.

1:34:45It is. But it's like, yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. And it's hard too because when you're so passionate about something, people do talk shit about you. You take it like it means something because like, God, I'm poor fucking everything I have into this. And you're talking, it's still not good enough. So it's, I had this guy the other day. He's like, why don't you go into the ego cap and, and pack in and kill a bull by yourself on my, you did for 20 years? Oh, I mean, it is like, you got me thinking is like, you can, it's never enough. Right. It doesn't matter. It's like, you wrote a book about that.

1:35:19I wrote it. That's what's hilarious. I wrote it literally. I told the guy. I said, yeah, I said, I've heard of that area. I said, I read about it in a book called Backcountry Bow Hunting. I can't remember who wrote it, but it's a pretty good book. And I mean, so the point is, it's like, I've been doing this my whole life. I started doing that. I've killed, I don't know how many bulls I've killed from backcountry, do it yourself to now some of the best elk in, you know, 400 inch bulls done the whole thing. That's still not enough. Still there's people say, well, why don't you do this? It's like, well, what the fuck is it ever going to be enough?

1:35:55You're going to always hear that though. Yeah. You're going to hear that from everybody no matter what it is. And, you know, imagine if I read the comments on this podcast, on any of my podcasts. Like, why do you have her on? She's fucking stupid. Why do you have him on? He sucks. Like, this is boring. Or just watching this get it. Don't read this one because it'd be like, oh, this fucking red neck again. I'm like, I'm saying, hey, guys, I didn't, I didn't ask. I've never asked to be on here. Have I? No, you're my friend. I want you to come on. Plus, we had to get you stem cells. I didn't ask.

1:36:27It's not my fault. If it was up to me, I wouldn't be here. Oh, shit. The fuck up. You like being here. Come on, man. We have a good time. No, it's, I'm just not good at podcasting. You are a great at podcasting. You're full of shit. Now you do your own. You line some of it. Not good at it. You're good at it, man. No, not good. You're good at it. You are like, it's a fun thing to do. And look, it's not for everybody, but this podcast isn't for everybody either. Yeah. It can't be. You can't make something for everybody. You have to do your best. And I think the best way to do your best is to not listen to all the criticism.

1:36:58Because you are also as well. You're very self -critical. We're both very self -critical. And I think that's important. That's also why criticism hurts because you take it to heart and then you get upset. And you're like, I do so much. You can't make everybody happy. Guys, I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best, guys. I really am trying my best. And I know you are too. I try my best at everything I do. And I'm not, I fuck up all the time at everything. And that is just something you get from sticking your neck out. I mean, I started bow hunting in my 40s. And I'm obsessed with it. I mean, also as a famous person, if you're going to fuck something up.

1:37:32That's what I mean. I mean, it's so impressive because most people don't like that had success in their whole life. You earned a course. But you've been at the high slope to start all the way over at something with no experience. But it's so exciting. That's the best thing to do. Most people wouldn't do that. Yeah, but they should. Yeah. I know that most people don't like to do that because they like to be, they like to be impressive at things because it makes them feel good. But what makes me feel good is getting better at things I suck at. And learning new things that I suck at is very, I don't have any room for anymore.

1:38:03Like right now I'm full. I'm all full. You know, and I'm decent at bow hunting now. I've gotten to the point where I'm a very accurate. I practice constantly. I put in a ton of work. I put in thousands and thousands and thousands of arrows every year. But because of that, I'm confident and I'm good at it. I'm pretty good at it now, but I'm still not an expert. I'm like a purple belt. If I would say like bow hunting had belts, I'd be like a purple belt now. Yeah. You know, years away from a black belt. It's a long fucking road, you know. It's tough. But I did all that in Jiu -Jitsu. The reason why I started Jiu -Jitsu is, look, when I started Jiu -Jitsu, I was a good kick boxer.

1:38:38I was a, you know, a very high level Taikwondo fighter. And then I got into kickboxing. I was good at kickboxing. I was good at stand -up striking. You know, there's plenty of videos you can see of me kicking things. I'm good at it. I was helpless at Jiu -Jitsu. I could have easily said, fuck this. I'm just going back to kickboxing where I feed my ego and I feel good. But I was like, oh my god, I'm helpless. Like I remember, I was training with this guy. I just started out. I was a white belt and I think he was a purple belt. And this dude mulled me. I mean mulled me, this Brazilian kid. And he wasn't being mean.

1:39:18It wasn't like he was like, just, like, just, better. He was destroying me. I mean, it was so humiliating. It was like, just one night or one, just one, it was one specific training session. Yeah. So what happens when you first start training is, initially, you will spar with other white belts and you're both kind of clunky. You don't really know what you're doing. You're trying to choke people. You don't exactly know how to do it. And you get tapped, you tap them. And it's like, you know, it's like, you're learning. But then as you start to progress, you're in a couple of weeks or a couple of months.

1:39:49They'll start putting you in with blue belts or occasionally they'll even put you in the brown belt. And generally, the brown belts and the black belts are pretty gentle with the beginners. They'll tap you and they'll give you pointers. Like, you can't put your arm here. It's vulnerable. You got to keep yourself like this. Don't extend because that doesn't get you in trouble. And they'll give you tips and it's very valuable because you can learn from, oh, that's why he did this. But this fucking dude just ran through me. And it was like, one of the first times I had trained with someone who was really pretty good.

1:40:18And my initial feeling was, I'm so shocked at how helpless I am. I was really delusional. I had this idea because I thought I knew how to fight. So that would kind of apply to Jiu Jitsu. It didn't apply at all. And so I realized at some point in time, I mean, during this training session, okay, this is a long road and I'm on it now. And this is what I'm going to do now. And even though, you know, I was on a television show and, you know, I was doing stand -up comedy and I had things that I was good at that I could just stuck with those. I was like, I got to get cut at this. I can't live knowing that guys can do this to me.

1:40:57And it turns out they could always do it to me. Like even at the high as no. But also as time went on, even when I became a black belt, I'll still get mauled by the elite black belts. Right. You know, like if I went and rolled with Marcelo Garcia or whenever I'd roll with John Jacques Machado, you just feel kind of helpless. Yeah. It's like because their level is so much higher than your level that even at black belts, there's looking what Gordon Ryan does to everybody. He takes the best black belts and make them look like they don't belong there with him. And he talks shit about it before he does it, even writes down in a piece of paper how he's going to tap them.

1:41:29And then he seals the envelope and hands it to the so he has in his mind, I'm going to get him in a triangle. And this is the only way I'm going to tap him. So all these other things he has to pass up on, all these other opportunities he passes up on just to set up a triangle. So he's setting it up to three, four, five steps ahead of them. So they think they're doing good and all of a sudden, stop. Did you ever see him roll with bowl nickel? Yeah. I did. Great match. Yeah. Great match. Bo -nickles a bad man. But he caught him too. Yeah. He caught Bo -nickle and strangled him. Yeah. That's how good Gordon is.

1:41:59But that's the levels and levels and levels and levels. But the only way you get that good is time. Yeah. Time and effort. And it's got to be so rewarding to be Gordon Ryan. I mean, I bet. I mean, he's fucking, must be amazing. I bet. Must be amazing to be that guy who stands head and shoulders above all the others. He gave us the Abu Dhabi belt, by the way. That's his Abu Dhabi belt. That's up in our studio. I love that. I love how his confidence in his. He's awesome. He's, I mean, he drives people crazy. Yeah. But I just love that part. Well, that's also psychological warfare too, because you're so upset that you can't, you think I can't lose to this guy.

1:42:36But guess what? You don't have a choice. Well, because he trains 365 days in here. Yeah, his coach is, I love, I don't even know him. John Donner. Yeah, I've listened to you talk about him and listened to him on here. And it's like, that is an unbreakable mindset. Yeah, basically. Well, Donner, her is like a character from a movie. He doesn't exist in the real world, because John Donner, her was a philosophy professor at Columbia, who became obsessed with Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, incredible. And then was like literally sleeping on the mats and teaching people. And so he's operating mentally from, he's probably got 150 IQ.

1:43:14And he's operating at this insane level mentally, also just completely obsessed with what is the best way to progress in Jiu Jitsu, what is the best way? What are the roadblocks, what's holding people up, what's holding people back? And what they decided at some point in time is that it's not just about training. It's about analyzing things. It's about breaking down technical aspects of things, watching video, discussing techniques, not just training hard, but thinking. So the amount of hours they put in a day, even though they're training 365 days a year, they're going at Jiu Jitsu five, six hours a day.

1:43:57Well, and he watched this tape too. That's all he does. He wears rash guards everywhere. John Donner, I don't even know if he has regular clothes. He's a freak. I love that. That's amazing. I mean, that's the, that's a whole, that's an outline. I mean, one of one. That's what, that's what makes this world so interesting. Yes. People like that characters like that. One of ones. Yeah, it's called, what he calls it, there's a Japanese term, it's called Kaizen. Can you look that up with the actual term means, but it's about the pursuit of excellence in one specific place, one specific avenue, one specific discipline.

1:44:35So the constant pursuit of excellence. That's, I mean, I don't know. What is the, here it is. Kaizen is a Japanese term, meaning change for the better or continuous improvement. Yeah. It's a Japanese business philosophy that concerns the process, that continuously improve operations and involve all employees. Kaizen sees improvement in productivity as a gradual and methodical process. I think there's other names for that don't just apply to Jiu Jitsu. I think it's, I think it's old or rather, let's hear him say it. Well, let's just hear what he says, just hear what he says. Your Instagram description said living in the spirit of Kaizen, and I was wondering why it's got a rash guard on.

1:45:22You always thought about it. You never know. I'm a huge believer in the idea of small progressive movements towards goals. If you look at the course of an average day that we all go through, every so often, maybe two or three times in your life, there's one day which changes the direction of your life. But the vast majority of our days are unexceptional. They're just a boring Monday, mundane day. You come home at the end of the day and if someone asks you, what happened today? You would literally have to think back and be like, I'm not sure. That's probably a description of 95 % of our days. So there's a chance in which you could drift through your life where only about 1 to 5 % of your days have any real meaning and that 95 % of your life was a waste of time.

1:46:16And that's a tragedy. So we have to be very, very set on this idea that we have to maximize the use of all of our days if we're going to amount to anything in life. And that means at the end of every day, there has to be a concerted look on your part. What was the most significant thing that happened to me today and how will it influence my life tomorrow? And if we can do this, your days become progressive. Most people live day to day where the events of yesterday have no bearing on the events of today and the events of today have no bearing on the events of tomorrow. And this means your life will simply run in a flat line until the day you die.

1:47:11But if we make a concerted effort to build one day upon another, even if it's just a very small thing, and in most cases it will be a small thing. It's rare that we have a day where something monumental happens. Most days are not monumental, they're mundane. So on every one of these mundane days, we have to take one small little gem that happened. It may not be very big, something small and add that to your performance tomorrow. And if we can do this over 10 years, something truly remarkable can happen. It's so easy just to let a day go and they say, I'll try again tomorrow. But until we get a sense of one day building upon another towards a goal, you'll never achieve anything.

1:47:58You'll just melt on and 10 years will go by and you'll look back and say, what do I do? And what did I do? And it may not be anything significant behind you. So be intentional about doing something that's going to make your life better. And that way, the whole notion of chisin is this crystallizes this idea that if I can improve my performance in any given area of my life by even a very small percentage point and then add day by day, you get this compounding interest effect where at the end of five years, something quite remarkable may have happened. You may have literally reinvented yourself in five years.

1:48:35You may have an entirely new skillset, which you didn't have previously. And so it's up to us to do this because the natural tendency is for days just to run into each other until by the end of the week, you're looking back and say, what happened? This way, I don't know, it's just gone. It's so easy to let that happen. There's so many distractions in life. There's so many things looking to grab your attention that you can lose a day, a week, a month, and even a year, even a decade. And it's up to us to ask, okay, what was significant and how is it going to be built into my life tomorrow? And how does this relate to the goals that I have?

1:49:15And if you can do this, this is the basic idea behind chisin. And you can do remarkable things and you can reinvent yourself many times of the period of your life. It's my belief that it takes around five years of full -time training to develop world -class skills and most athletic endeavors. There are many, many examples of people beginning training and somewhere between five to seven years after the onset of their training, competing at the highest levels of their given sport and getting within the top five athletes in the world. Many, many examples of this. It's a clear signal that it takes around five to seven years of full -time training to get to world -class level in sports.

1:50:11You could extend that into other areas of life. You can become in the same time it takes you to win an Olympic bronze medal. You could become an outstanding day trader. So we think about five years not a long time. That means we all have within us this ability to reinvent ourselves many times in the course of our life. If you start off at 20 years old, there's a lot of opportunities to be in the engine at that. That's it. Well, that guy is a treasure. Yeah, but somebody that introspective and with that perspective and then coupled with somebody like Gordon Ryan, this incredible driven athlete, no wonder.

1:50:50Exactly. I mean, that combination, that's going to be tough to be. Yeah, exactly. And the crazy thing is they put it out there for the whole world. Like this is what we're doing. Like you could do it too. And the thing is it's so difficult. The dedication to it. It's also the focus. To maintain that focus constantly and to have this idea that I need to review all the things I'm doing to make sure I'm doing them better. Yeah, that mindset. That's very difficult. I mean, he's like, yeah, on such a higher level than most people. That's what I keep thinking about like with with Hubertman talking about hunting.

1:51:26It's like, because I want, I was like, I always think about what I'm passionate about is hunting. Right? How can I understand my place and the mountains and as a as a predator and a bow hunter? How can I get better? How can I get more in tune? And I'm always like, because it's so easy to be out there. And I mean, you you are immersed in it and you're in it. And you're trying to feel the wind, the ground under your feet. You're trying to like be so in tune. But I'm like, God, is there another level of consciousness that maybe it's don't understand and I want to. Right. Yeah, because I want to be I want to continue.

1:52:08I learn something every time. And I'm sure you do too out there. But it's like, I mean, I don't know. I want to be the best I can be. Yeah. And I think that also comes with many, many days hunting. And this is a thing that becomes controversial. But people say, oh, you should only hunt what you eat. But I think you should hunt as much as you can. And there's plenty of people that you could give that meat to. As long as it's legal. So I do. Yeah. And I agree with what you do. And I know it's controversial, but I don't think they're right. I think you're right. Because your success in the field is unparalleled.

1:52:47And I think there's a reason for that. And it's because of this intense dedication and drive that you've been doing it for so long. But you're still so focused on it. You're not relaxed about it at all. Like you and I have had so many conversations about hunt. And you've been hunting for a foot with 35, 40 years, whatever it is. When you and I talk, it's like you're fucking locked in all the time about this. I'm going to try this. I'm doing this now. I've decided that this is a new thing. This is I've found this improvement. I made this small adjustment in this. And that. And then I learned this in this last hunt.

1:53:20And this was a thing that came up like the elk that you shot in Utah. Perfect example. What what people need to understand is even if you're right up close with an elk and say if you have a 20 yard pin. So a 20 yard pin really the the arrows not dropping very far in 20 yards because these arrows are going very fast. It's only a couple of seconds to get to 20 yards not dropping very well. So you would think that you can shoot an elk that's six feet away. Up. Up. That's the thing. It goes off the bow and reaches a peak. Yeah. And so what happens when it's that close is your eyes is here and the arrows here.

1:54:03Right. So you're you're looking at where you want to hit with that 20. But the arrow's still down here. Right. It hasn't lifted up yet. Right. So to hit where you want at like where that bull was which was from here to the door. I'd aim up high with the 50 yard pin and then the arrows going to hit where you want it to. Right. If you hold 20 it's still low. It's going to go off the brisket off the bottom of the chest. Right. I wouldn't have known that. I don't know that. Like you need to learn that. And that's just years and years in the field. Yeah. And what the hardest thing was like it happened like that because I thought that bull.

1:54:39He was coming in. So I had my sight set on 20 because I knew he's coming hot and heavy. He was bugling crashing down through. So I set it on 20 real quick. And I'm seeing that I made a mistake of sitting in the trail. But I thought he was coming straight down the ridge. And so I was going to draw back when he was like it ten yards. Stop him. You whack. But he hit that trail came right to me. And I'm sitting there on my knees in the trail. And I was a full draw luckily because I never wait for them to get close. I always draw early. He was where I am. We're right. Yeah. Where you are. And so I'm like all that happened in a split second.

1:55:18And then he was like looking over, looking for the, you know, he heard the cow call looking over and he's like, look down. Wack. He saw you. It was second. Like fractions of a second. See if you find that video. Because it's, but this is a perfect example of this is something that you learn from many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many days. Yes. The hard thing there is not getting caught up in the moment because it's so emotional in adrenaline. So much adrenaline. A giant bowl looking, looks, he's seven foot tall right there basically. And I'm on my knees, not getting.

1:55:54So here it is. So here it is. Um, before I get too far. Let me see. No, no, this isn't it. Now that's, that's, this is a Roosevelt, an Oregon cow. That's not sound. I know. It sounds so amazing. Hey, look at Jelly Roll right there. Hey, Jelly Roll and Nelly. I know. That's awesome. Uh, well, certainly on YouTube. Is it in your Instagram? Yes. Uh, I think it's on YouTube. Not in your Instagram? Good. I don't think the shot was. So it's a very unusual situation. But you guys pulled it out too. It's like the two yard, two yard Utah bowl. The thing is it's like every step. What happened? That's my, that's my theme song.

1:56:41That's Cam Haines by Schaefer. You have a song? Yeah. Shut the fuck up. No, it's a bow hunting song. Oh my god, I gotta hear this. Play, play a Schaefer Cam Haines. Who's Schaefer? An artist. He wrote the song for me. Do you know him? I don't. I think I did meet him at the, I think at Utah hunting next bow. But he wrote this song. And I said, I go, I said something about it. And I'm like, well, man, if it's good, I could just have it on to start my lift run, or the, the month in the mountains, or my, my videos. Oh, the podcast. That's what I was. I have an example of how your passion can change your life.

1:57:20Even if that passion is something as obscure as bow hunting. Bow hunting changed my life. Your passion, whatever that may be, can change yours. The mountain that raised me, they call me crazy. Cause I can't handle the way that I live. I am the apex, I am a monster. When I am hammered, I do not quit. I got it from camera, made up my mind. I'm about to be better than I ever been. What is the difference between me and you? I'll die legend before I give in. It's like every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop by you. Every comment, hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom.

1:57:51I hear them talking, saying the way that I move is so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood to why I'm alive. My fault, they want someone to blame. They sent the hey, it fuels my pace. I am Roy tough. I am the change. The view in dirt, feel like camhants. That's pretty bad. That's for you. Your own song, son. Yeah, so anyway, I have it on just start my podcast. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Wow. But, Jay for heat, and he had the Roy tough. And there I love that. But, yeah. Well, one of the cool things about Texas is that you can hunt pigs any day of the year. And they actually need you to do it.

1:58:34And it's that experience. Oh, it's so important. So that's what. Yeah. Oh, here it is. Oh, no, that's not the, that's not the, that's not the, see if you can find that, that shot because the shot's crazy. Oh, it's at it. Oh, maybe it'll show you. Maybe it'll show it to you. So you're, you're talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, this is it. Is the most watched part of the video? Is the song playing? No, I had to stop playing the song. Oh, okay. Yeah, so this is here it is.

1:59:06So was Rihanna doing the cow calling? Yeah. She was behind you. And the filming. She's trying to film. There's a bowl. There's a bowl. There it comes. Yeah. That's literally as close as you are to me. Yeah. That was, and then the arrow, I mean, he's down, he's already dead. Yeah. But you can hear him like his last breaths right here.

1:59:37Yeah. I was working with my own company. I was right there down like this. And I just had to shoot her in front. Look at the sound down there. It's down. I like this part. She's so excited.

1:59:59I just fucking called you in the ball. She's like, I called you in the ball and I'm like, what? I called you in the ball and I'm like, okay, can you see him? He's good. He went down instantly. Yeah, 30 yards. Which in a bowl's pace is like literally three or four seconds. Yeah. I mean, he, it was crazy how fast he died. But that went right through his heart. The shot when you pull the arrow out, let's see if you can find the image on Instagram. You can see the heart. Yeah, this is where it was. And I saw him coming right here. And I saw him down and I drew like this. And then he came and he's running right out of me.

2:00:42I was right here and you see. I hit him right here and then see there's blood. This went all the way to right there in the front of his chest. Self defense basically because there's no other trail. He was looking over the top. Rihanna was down there filming in Calcone. You got a trampled ease off. I shot from there to right here. Look at this blood right here. And had to hold my 20 up here to hit him right in the chest. Almost full penetration. Then he started bleeding right there and you see on that tree. Wow. I mean, he just gushed and he went right toward true it is. Perfect shot. Like when you want to talk about lethality and a quick ethical kill.

2:01:24Seconds. See if you find the image on Instagram. It shows the heart with the arrow poking out of it, which is wild. Because it's got this, this grim reaper corner for which is this massive four blade broadhead that just goes through the, there it is right there. It's on our video. Is it? Yeah, I can't control that. That's okay. You can play it and he's holding up the heart here. There it is. You can literally see the arrow poking out of the heart right there. That is wild. That is a perfect shot. Yeah. So that arrow broke, you saw this holding a broke, but that was left in the heart right there.

2:02:04Crazy. Yeah. I mean, that's what we want. We want those animals. You know, we're trying to offer a merciful death. That one in seconds, 30 yards. He didn't know, he didn't know anything. Yeah. You know, his just lost blood pressure done. Yeah. That's as merciful a shot as you could ever give. Yeah. And as you mentioned earlier about the meat, so you know, yeah, I killed four bulls this year and don't, I don't want anybody to ever think that any of that meat is going to waste. I mean, there's so many people who love wild game meat, especially now when you're, you know, people are more conscious about where their meat's coming from.

2:02:41And to get something that I killed, I took care of myself, you know, it's, we know exactly where it came from. That's like, that's valuable. That means something. And it's also, it means something. You know, when people, you know, as we say, people go order burger or steak or whatever, they get full and they say, I'm stuffed and too much bread. I'm done with this. So half that steak goes back to the kitchen. That was a fucking life. That was a, that life doesn't mean shit to you, but that bull right there, that means a lot to me. And when I give that meat to somebody, that means something. This is like, oh, yeah, this is a bull I killed on Utah.

2:03:19I hope you like it. That fucking means something. You're not going to send that. You're not going to throw that shit in the garbage because you're full. It means too much. There's reverence to it. That's what. So, yeah, I kill multiple bulls, but that is the greatest part of being a hunter and a provider is sharing that with your community. I love giving it to people. I give, I give meat to a lot of people. And I love seeing the images. They send me pictures of like, hey, look, I cooked this. It's awesome. It's the best. And then, you know, the, it's so delicious too. I mean, wild game, I've said it so many times, but if you can try some of the elk that I cook, you'd be like, oh my God, where can I get this?

2:04:02Well, you got to go hiking. Well, that'll learn how to shoot a bow or a rifle. You have to find someone who's willing to teach you. You have to, you know, you have to put in work. What I love about, I mean, there's so much I love about sharing our lifestyle. But when I have people come in for the lift run shoot is they train with me, they learn how to shoot a bow and everything, but then we always have elk chili. Oh, nice. And like, Hubertman came in. I think he had three bowls of it. And I'm like, yeah, this shit is fucking fuel. This is real fuel. And this is a bowl I killed. You know, I think that was from the Arizona bowl that I, this is actually, oh, the last time I had my bling on, Tanner made this.

2:04:42Oh, that's from the Iveries. So he, he filmed that bowl I killed. And it was the biggest bowl he's ever seen, you know, is, you know, giant bowl. And so he made an necklace for himself and made me one. Last time I had the CH gold bling. So now I'm like, well, we'll offset that with an ivory. But, well, you know, Elks used to have, they used to have tusks. Oh, yeah, I think they did. Yeah, that's where it comes from. The ivory at one point in time was a massive tusk that Elks used to have. And then they evolved. It's so, in a way, it's so cool. Just like, I mean, you know, bohunting, especially, well, not just elk, anything, but it means so much.

2:05:23And it's just like, it's, it's who I am. You know, so when it's something that, that is that meaningful and you can share that, um, another example of that was I took Kat Bradley. She's a elite ultra runner and she killed her first buck. And it's like the, the most special part, I haven't made a film on that yet. But, uh, is she, we had to run, we had to do the stock in the rain hustle. She made a perfect shot. Um, we had to pack that she, she had some weight on her back, packed out of this steep hole, worked her ass off. It was just like the perfect time. Then we took care of the meat, did everything, got up the next morning, wearing this little cabin and, uh, made, uh, tenderloins, cut that up, cooked the tenderloins, eggs, hash browns, and bacon.

2:06:15And it's just like, can you, I mean, after working your ass off on a hunt, killing a buck, having a meal like that, listening to old country music radio, just like crackling on this AM radio that was in that cabin, it's like, I, I don't know if there's anything I'd rather do in life. I swear to God, people could offer me anything. And I'd say, I just rather have this morning right here. This, this experience. Yeah. It's real. It's real. And when we were out there in the mountain and standing in, and we were fucking soaked, it was pouring. She killed this buck. And I had, you know, me and my buddy, Kevin broke it all down, gutted it.

2:06:59We had to actually skimmed it and cordored it up right there to pack it out because it's such a hole. But I'm like, looking and we're just soaked and freezing. And I'm just like, this is life. This is, this is how life is supposed to be. All this other bullshit, all this around here, that's not fucking real. This is real. Out hunting, killing what you're going to eat and packing it out of the mountains. That's fucking real. And earning it. You earn that. And it's, everything else is like a distraction over real life. That's why that buck is on the table. That's the first animal I killed with Stephen Montana.

2:07:36I remember that just from here and you talk about it and how meaningful it is, your first buck in Montana and you, I don't, you didn't make a great shot. Did you? Yeah. It was a good shot, but I had to do a follow shot. Right. You went down, but he was spined. Oh, that's what it was. And I made a follow up shot. And you could see the follow shot on the video where it's like the intensity. But I remember, I remember seeing that, that I haven't seen that show, but I remember that's, now that's stories you remember. Because that's real. Yeah. It's real. And you ate that. Yeah. Did you guys cook it?

2:08:09Oh, yeah. We ate it that night. We ate the liver with the onions that night. Why Brian Cowlin pulled thorns out of my thigh because when I got down prone to make the shot, I laid down right on a cactus. And I just cactus thorns all over my leg. Like I had like fucking 40 thorns in my leg and it was hilarious because like, whereby they camp fire, I'm going like that. I got my pants down and Cowlin's got fucking pliers and he's pulling thorns out of my legs. We cooked the liver. We ate the liver that night and then we went back because we shot it late in the afternoon. So we got it it, hung it, got the organs out and then brought the organs back to the camp fire and cooked the liver that night.

2:08:54And then we went back the next day, cut the buck down in the morning and then ate it for dinner that night. And then when I went when we were eating it, I was like, this is what I'm doing now. That changed your life. 100%. 100%. But it's so hard to get someone to get you to do that. It's so hard. First of all, it's so hard to find someone who has the knowledge who's willing to take you and teach you like an forever in debt to Steve Endiou for doing that. But to also want to do that and to have, I mean, we're camping. It was nine degrees outside. It's fucking freezing in Montana. You know, we're on the Missouri breaks.

2:09:30It's like you're just walking through these intense canyons. But it was so difficult that when we did have success, the feeling of elation and joy, it's very difficult to describe. A lot of people, they see these videos of a hunter making a shot and go and like, yeah! And they go, where is the spirituality? Where is it like you don't understand how hard it is to do that? And the joy is in the fact that you made an ethical shot and the animal was down. Like I had a hard hunt in California. We went like five, six days, put in tons of miles every day. You know, 10 miles, eight miles, 11 miles going through the mountains.

2:10:12And then when I finally shot that bull and he dropped, he was dead in 10 seconds. It was like a perfect shot. I fucking cheered so loud that Evan and Cody, the guys like Evan, Evan Hafer from Black Graffa Coffee, who's running with me, they were on the other side of the mountain and they heard it. Because I just went, whoa! And then, you know, me and my friend Biscay, we hugged and it was like, holy shit man, we did it. We did it. And it wasn't like, I'm happy that this animal is dead now. It was like, no, we were successful. I know how hard it is to do, difficult to do. There was so much adrenaline and tension involved and I had to make a great shot and I did it.

2:10:56And so all that hard work, all paid off at the end. All the reps all year. It wasn't just that hunt. It was like all the reps that thinking about it, the envisioning that moment. I think about it all the time, dude. I think about it on the UFC. I'm at the UFC about to call a fight and I'm thinking about like, perfect shots and thinking about shooting in between branches of trees. I'm thinking about like, wind and fucking angles and it's, well, I mean, it means so much to me like, so on that deer hunt that I took Kat on, I, there's access to this timber company land. I pay for that, right? So I'm paying $4 ,500 each and I take two people and it's just like, I don't even care.

2:11:39I don't even tell them it costs money. I just want to do it because I just want to be out there with somebody, a new hunter and share my world with them. And it's, I pay to so I'm like, no, I can, I can take them. We can, you know, I can expose them to the hunting lifestyle the way I want to on this it's a warehouse or land, this timber company land and it's maybe it'll change our life. Maybe it won't, but I know I'm going to gain from sharing that with somebody and that means everything to me. I just, you know, you filmed it too, which is awesome. Yeah, yeah. It was great. So people can watch it and see like the real moments that you guys had together.

2:12:18And even if she never does that again, that experience she will keep with her forever. If that hunt that I had with Renelle was the last hunt I ever had, I would still be telling people about that today. Yeah, it was awesome. We're in the campfire. We're freezing our asses off like eating this, this animal that we just shot and eating it, cooking it over a fire, a campfire and it was so satisfying. Yeah. It ignites a part of your DNA that you didn't know existed. There's a hunter gatherer aspect to whatever it means to be a human that kept us alive for thousands and thousands of years and that's inside you.

2:12:55Yeah. And you don't know it's inside you until you put an animal on the ground and you eat it and you're like, oh my God. It's like the way I described it to people, most people have been fishing. There's a feeling you get when you catch a fish. We hooked the line like, whoa. You feel it fighting. It is inside of you that like this is going to feed me and my family now. This is going to feed my loved ones. This we're going to survive. And that's why it's so exciting because it ignites this thing that was imperative for human beings to make it to 2023. You might be able to go to fucking H .E .B.

2:13:27and just buy a ribeye. Yeah. That's great. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But the reality is that was not always the case. And for us to get to 2023, it had to be people that were doing that shit with bozen arrows that they made themselves. They had a knock rocks to make this. Where's that front there? Right here. Yeah. This is a real fucking arrowhead that the command she used from right here. This is from right here. I love this. I love the history of some of our stories. We sent that arrow into a white tail. And then it probably passed through and dug into the dirt and then someone dug it out of the dirt hundreds of years later.

2:14:04Yeah, that's incredible. And it's in pristine condition. And this was made by some person who painstakingly crafted this so that they could eat. That is a perfect head, too. It's fucking amazing. This thing's amazing. But it's like, when you, I don't know, people who might not think contains for them, maybe it's not. But when that happens and you do kill, there is almost like the curtains pulled back. Yeah. And you're just like, holy shit. Yeah. This is, this is, this is how this is survival. Yeah. And you didn't know it because that curtain's been closed. Right. Until you were, that's why it's so meaningful to me.

2:14:42I buy those two hunts every year and my goal is always take somebody new, you know, just because it's like, it's, it's for me. It's not for them. But I can like twist it into like, it'll help both of us. But I just, it's, it's, the, joining the process of seeing someone experience it for the first time. I love it because you only experience it for the first time once. I love it. And as a cat was perfect for that because she got it, you know, she immense so much and like, that's what you want because obviously she's someone to understand sacrifice and hard work. Yes, definitely more than anybody.

2:15:17Yeah. And as it was, I'll never forget it. It was, I seriously think it was the best hunt of my fall. That's awesome. I mean, I had some, I had some great hunts. But that's just, that's just what hunting, that's the power of hunting. Yeah. And being part of a, I don't want to say tribe because like people throw it around, but that's a good word. It is. I think bow hunters, the ones who aren't country, they are a part of a tribe. Even the ones who are country, they're in the tribe. They just have ego problems. Yeah. It's just wasted energy. Yeah. It's wasted energy. Like if you want to be upset at someone, be upset at the people that litter.

2:15:53Yeah. Be upset at the people that leave garbage at their camp. Be upset at those people because that's not cool. Don't be upset at fellow hunters. Right. Don't be upset at someone who's trying to spread this message. Yeah. And then there's the dumbest fucking people that don't like the fact that the trailheads are getting crowded now because so many people are getting into this. Well, find another trailhead stupid. There's a lot of trailheads. You can go all over the place. You can just with a little bit of research, there's all these maps, onyx hunt and go hunt and fucking hunt and fool. There's all those places you can get resources to find different places to hunt at.

2:16:25The reason why people like that get a little traction is because there's a lot of people who don't kill every year. Success is, you know, it's most people fail. So when people fail, they're looking for an excuse. So if this guy or whoever it is gives them an excuse like, oh yeah, it's too overcrowded because of Joe and Cam talking about it. All of a sudden they're the victim and like they got other victims who didn't weren't successful. So like, yeah, we're all the losers. We can gang up together and talk shit about these guys. Did we get that here in Austin? There's local Austin comics that hate on the mothership because the mothership was brought in 15 world class comedians.

2:17:02It's hard for them to get spots now. Guess what's stupid? This is the greatest opportunity you've ever had in your fucking life. If you rise the occasion, we'll put you up and make you famous bitch. Yeah. Like, come on man, we want you to be good. We don't want you to be floundering in this fucking, this area of mediocrity that you've been existing in for so long. Like, yeah, the big boys are in town. Yeah. It's good for everybody. And people with hunting, they like to talk about that everybody should have the same opportunities. It's like almost like making it hunting socialism. Yeah. You know what I mean?

2:17:37And so, well, if you work your ass off, shouldn't you get better opportunities than somebody who doesn't do anything? Of course. I mean, but if, and also the guy who kind of coins this thing about whatever, everybody should have the same opportunities, it's like he has a great job, gets tons of vacation, doesn't he have an advantage over a guy who works in a mill who gets fucking two days off a year? Well, there's a lot of people that complain, but yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. It's just complaining is a normal part of human life when you're looking at other people's success and trying to find flaws in it, but it's very bad for you.

2:18:14And that's what people don't understand. It's not productive. It doesn't help you. And you could disagree or agree with people's approaches. You could think that everyone should only hunt on public land. You could have all these ideas and you could debate those opinions and you're more than welcome to. The problem is when you look to criticize instead of look at the good side of things, there's a lot of good to this. There's a lot of good to what you do. It's more good than anything. I see no negatives. The educating people about the value of this is very good. And during COVID, that's one of the real times where people realize like, hey, this food chain is kind of fragile.

2:18:52Like, I went to the supermarket, there's no fucking food. Like Duncan texted me, he was at a supermarket in North Carolina where he's living and he's like, dude, there's no meat. There's no fucking meat. He goes, I gotta learn how to hunt. And I was like, wow, that is a moment when you have children and you have a family and you still feel like we might not have nutrition. And they're looking at you and you're the leader of the family and you're like, what the fuck am I going to do? Right. And now you realize like, oh my god, I need another skill. I'm susceptible. Yeah, we're all vulnerable. And obviously for the most part, we're not.

2:19:23Obviously for the most part, we do have supermarkets, we do have food. That's all great and everything. But we're trying to tell you that there is another way that's vastly more rewarding. It might not be available to you because you might not have the time. You might have a job that requires you to work 51 weeks a year, then you have a family and a lot of obligations. And I understand, but don't hate on people that can. Yeah, exactly. It's stupid. It's just a waste of your time. It's a waste of everybody's time. And you're just going to get a bunch of losers that like you. Yeah. Because they're going to be like, yeah, socialism's awesome.

2:19:54I know. It's crazy. It's a, yeah, I don't know. I feel, I feel, I mean, it's one reason why if we can educate people like when Andrew comes or like the other, quote, outliers who I've had on who might not be hunters but can go and take these, the lessons archery teaches you and maybe we talk about hunting. And then they go back to their peer groups or whatever it is, their constituents and they're saying, well, actually, I did learn this about hunting. And so we're, and your podcast has done that, obviously. You know, educated so many people who don't know anything about hunting on the benefits to it.

2:20:30But it's, I don't know. It's so important. And we're not saying everybody needs to hunt, but just have a, just have a honest take on it. Yeah. And I think that there's real value in doing something that's very difficult, whether it's hunting or ultra marathon running or jujitsu or whatever it is that you choose to approach. There's real value in doing difficult things. And the thing about bow hunting that makes it so special to me is that it requires so much of you. And so that when you are successful, it's so rewarding. It's, it's insanely rewarding. It's a rewarding on a different level that most people don't understand.

2:21:11And many people never get to experience in life. They get, never get to experience that moment where you have to make the split second decision and you're drawing on an animal. And you have one arrow to make this happen. Yeah. You have one arrow and it might be 65 yards away. And you, and you that fucking pins moving around, you got to settle that pin and settle your heart rate. And you have to be confident in your training and then release that perfect arrow. And when you watch it to this day, when the happiest moment of my life was you and I. I know. That photo right out here. That photo with that, that elk was 67 yards and you like draw back, draw back, take him buddy.

2:21:54And it's just, you see that arrow with that lighted knock just sail and swap and hit perfectly. Oh God. And you know, if you didn't know how much that meant and how much pressure that was and how, how much was writing on it, we were like smiling and hugging and I love you. And like if you didn't understand, you just look at that and go, what is wrong with these guys? Right. Right. But it's, there's so much writing on it. Yeah. And so it's just that, you know, you achieve this monumental goal with somebody sharing it with people you care about because Colton was there too. Yeah. And it's, I mean, until you've been there, it's probably shouldn't criticize because if you were there, you'd understand.

2:22:37It's hard for people to understand also because a lot of people's exposure to hunting has been hunting television shows. Right. So if you watch a television show, basically they're preaching to the, the converted already and they're doing these shows for other hunters and who are going to understand this and they're condensing a seven, eight, nine day trip into 22 minutes and out of those 22 minutes, like there's 35 seconds, 45 seconds of the shot and the animal running away and then dropping and then everybody cheering. Yeah. And it's just a disproportionate experience for people that are watching it.

2:23:13You're not getting how hard it is. You're not getting the eight, 10 miles in the mountains with elevated heart rate, how exhausted you are at the end of the day when your legs feel like rubber and you're pounding and electrolytes and you fucking eating like a starving person. And then you look at your watch, like I better go to bed right now. I'm going to get up at four hours a sleep. Yeah. I got to go to bed right now. And then you get up and you do it all over again. You drink some coffee and you get out there and you, you know, you check your site, you check your bow. Let's go. You know, and people that have never experienced that, they're not going to understand it.

2:23:45But I think you do an amazing job of relaying it to people where they kind of get a glimpse without actually experiencing the kind of understanding from your passion, from your ability to explain it, your ability to like be like totally honest about the emotions and the feeling and the dedication and the hard work and what's required of it. It's not a fucking easy thing to do. And even rifle hunting, rifle hunting is not easy. It's easier than bow hunting, but it is not fucking easy. It's hard. Yeah. It's a, you know, that presentation, especially nowadays is important. And I, I was reminded of this, you know, went and trained with Rich Froning and Nashville.

2:24:30And he's bow hunting too now, right? He's bow hunting. But he killed a bear with a rifle in Colorado. And he put up, he's getting death threats and everything because he's a cross fit, you know, world's fittest man four times. He's a complete freak. But he's like been enamored with hunting now. And so he killed this bear this year, big bear in Colorado, big bore. And he had a picture because he worked as asof. He got, you know, didn't kill a bow. I think the last two years killed a cow with a rifle. But just, you know, a heart hunting is. And he's just trying to learn on his own out there. And so he gets this bear killed.

2:25:08He's happy. He's got a picture of this big bear and a big smile. And I just told him, I said, that is hard. That's hard for people. And I learned the hard way. It's like I made the same mistake too. So now I build the story. I share, you know, the, the animals out there, the country out there. I don't share the kill shot until after I've shared breaking it down in the meat and what it means. And then at the end of all that, you'll see the kill shot. But because he's a new hunter and he's just was fired up. He's a big smile with that bear and that's the post. And no fault of his, anybody would do that.

2:25:51But with social media, it's like they'll crucify you if that's all, and especially with the bear. And I told him, obviously he knows now. I didn't have to tell him anything. But bear and lions, the rough one. You better be explaining that whole journey before you get to that kill shot. And I feel bad because nobody wants to read that, you know, they want to kill you or kill your family because you killed some animal. But it's, it's just I've learned over the years that it's, I mean, you just, there's so many people go like, my page will get to 30 million people in a week. There's 14 million hunters.

2:26:32That means most of those people aren't hunters. I better be explaining part of it to them too. You know, and so that's, that's a challenge. The odds are that all 14 million hunters are looking at it. That's small too. Yeah. So there's probably only a couple million hunters. Right. Right. Most of it's probably non -hunter. Right. So it's like, we have to think about that. Yeah. Like his group, a CrossFit group, of course they all eat meat. You know, you can't have that muscle, but they still don't hunt. Right. So it's like that dance of explaining. And now he's so enamored with it, like most of his podcast now are hunting.

2:27:07So people are like, wait, is this, are you the CrossFit guy or the hunter? And he just loves hunting now. It's all he thinks about. Well, he's a strong man. He's got a strong mind. He can navigate this. But that is a, that's fine with it. He's fine. A great message to way you describe the way you have a process for it. And I've seen your process evolve over the years. Yeah. What you realize, okay, let me lay this out in the best way possible where it's going to, people are going to really understand as much as they can from social media. Right. Because without a podcast and people talking, without videos of you actually being, and the video literally should be eight days long.

2:27:44Yeah. The video literally should be the amount of time. An accurate portrayal. Or at least a day, like you should see, like what's involved in the stock and all that stuff. Like nobody would want to watch it because the fucking takes forever. Yeah. Everybody wants to cut to the chase. Yeah. Like when does the elk come into the canyon? When did you see it? When do you, when you make the stock? Yeah. Like even that, most people wouldn't show like on that boy killed in Arizona. I hit a little back and I caught the, the long in the liver. And he went up and I thought he was going to go die right there.

2:28:18I thought at first it was perfect. So I looked at, reviewed the footage, but I had to shoot him again. Most people making hunting TV wouldn't have showed all that. They would have showed the one shot went up to the animal dead. Yeah. I wanted to show that, you know, there's, it weighed. It was like killing me, seeing that animal not, not dying like that because I, and then a bear went, walked right below him, got him up. He was on the verge of death. A bear got his adrenaline jacked up again. And then he moved off like 30 yards and I'm just like, you're just killing me. So I took my boost off snook up there to 72 and shot him.

2:28:57But that was real. Yeah. And most people don't see real because we've, we've watered down what we show on TV to make it fit this, oh, you know, made a good shot. Animal died after 50 yards and seconds. That doesn't always happen, unfortunately. Well, it also looked just the consumption of meat in general. Most people have never been to a slaughterhouse. Most people have never seen, including me. I've never seen a cow get a bolt in the head. Yeah, it's terrible. And I've eaten so many cows. It's terrible. It's the process used to be absolutely normal. If someone saw that you had venison and you described the kill, they're like, yeah, that's what you do.

2:29:38That is how you get venison. That is the only way to get our meat. And everyone did it forever until the last 100 years, which is so crazy, that it's become controversial over the last 100 years. Only now and we have other options and life so comfortable. And places where it's not normal to hunt, but yet the average consumption of meat is very high, like the UK or Brazil and Brazil. I friends that have posted photos, you know, that are from all around the world. And they get hate from these people from Brazil. Which they're famous for steak houses. I know Brazil is steak houses. Yeah, all the meat you want.

2:30:16Yeah, you literally all you can eat. Yeah, yeah. And but they don't have a history of hunting. So because they don't have a history of hunting, they don't understand it. And they don't, they don't, why would you do that when you could just go to the supermarket? And I say that it's terrible with the cow with the bolt through the head. I just feel bad. I don't like watching even the animals I kill. I don't like washing them die. Yeah, I don't. I love animals. So when I say it's, it's, it's awful for the cow. It's just, I feel bad for it. That's it. That's it. I understand it has to happen. I mean, I kill myself, but it's like, does it mean that I enjoy the act of killing?

2:30:50No, no one enjoys the act of killing. You enjoy the success and the meat and the fact that it's done quickly and cleanly. And you know, we've been guilty of this before, like kind of kind of, mentioning factory farms and not giving credit to ranchers that do it right. So it's not like every cattle operation is terrible. Right. I've had a bunch of ranchers on to try to correct that and explain to people. So it's not that when I said it's terrible, I don't want any negative because there's some great ranchers out there. Beef is like the staple of the meat that we eat here in this country. So it's, we got to do it right.

2:31:26Yeah, but it's just a symptom of the culture that we live in that most of the time it's not done right. That's what's so crazy. What's so crazy is people like my friend Will Harris who runs White Oak Pastures. Yeah, that's where that book right there. Yeah, he's amazing. And he's, I mean, that guy really, really put in effort. It took him 20 years to convert his family farm from an industrial farm to a regenerative farm. It took immense resources in time and they knew it was going to make them less money and he still did it. And he did it and he's out there preaching the gospel and telling people that this is the way nature is supposed to be handled and that what he does at his farm, which is an amazing place is he recreates nature in a contained environment.

2:32:10And these animals all live naturally, the pigs live naturally, the chickens live naturally. I mean, he was explaining the entire process of it. It's incredible. And it's very difficult to do what and what he's done is pretty amazing. And he has friends that are running these industrial farms that are right next to him and the difference in the impact. When you see like the impact that it has on the river system that he has near him, like the difference between his river with a runoff from his farm, which is nothing to the one next to it, just like completely pollutes the river. And there's no, there's no regulations on that.

2:32:45There's no regulations on how much herbicides and pesticides and fucking industrial fertilizer just gets washed into the streams and chokes the fish to death. So no, no one's paying attention to that. And he's doing all right. That guy's doing it right. And kudos to him and they and I try to highlight those people as much as possible. What's him or Joel Salatin who runs polyface farms and there's a bunch of great regenerative ranchers in here in Texas. And you know, we get Rome ranch and we, you know, we get a lot of our meat. If we buy steaks, we try to get it from those places. It's just I'm getting fucking hungry.

2:33:17I'm getting hungry too. I do. Before we wrap up, I got to say one more, one more thing. Okay. We got it. We got to give credit to jelly roll. I love that. I love jelly roll. No, we talked about him last time and I think we've even listened to his songs, but I finally saw him live at the Aubrey. He was like the fucking, I mean, I could, if I think about how nice he is, I would, I could almost, I don't want to say I'm going to cry, but it's like he is so nice. Dude, it's like he treated me like family. Yeah. I mean, he was, we went out to dinner. And then even after the show, he was like, he goes, what, what'd you think of my family?

2:33:59I mean, he cares. Yeah. He is such a big, hard, it person. And I'm, it was amazing how welcoming and kind and thoughtful and puts on an amazing show. Talks to the people like makes people cry when he's talking to him in between songs, because he's so heartfelt. Yeah. He's been through so much, but he's like, I don't, he was you and him and Nelly. That's awesome. And I don't know how, you know, I don't know how he was. Back in the day, you know, but all I know is, I know he made mistakes. I know he's been in jail. I know he's whatever. But now I don't know a nicer word. I don't know a better person.

2:34:39Yeah. He's been through a lot. He's, he's incredible on the other end. And the reason he's a person, he's fucking nominated for two Grammys. I know. What a journey. What a journey. I mean, I just look at him. Like you would never, look at that guy. When you hear him sing, you're like, whoa. No. And what, you know, Tanner mentioned this too. He's, when people first see him, they're like, oh, it's, you know, he's got tattoos on his face. Tanner says after you get to talk, he goes, you don't even see the tattoos. Right. You see, you see this, this pure soul. Yeah. And it's like, what tattoos? Yeah.

2:35:11I fucking don't see shit. So like you get distracted by that at first. But when you talk to him and realize, you know, what a loving person he is, you're like, I don't see anything. I see, I see you just, this big, hard, it man. That's the same thing with Post Malone. Yeah. Yeah, you got to meet him. He's amazing. I love that dude to death. He's so fucking talented too. We saw him perform in Houston or wife and I flew to Houston to watch one of his shows. Really? Oh, I was a man. And then we hanging out with him afterwards. Yeah. So once we play Magic the Gathering. I don't know. Those artists, I just, I don't know.

2:35:45There's different people, but they're so, I don't know. It's, it's pretty inspiring. Yeah. He's very inspiring. When he gave me that platinum record and we posted out there, you saw it. I did. It's incredible. It's incredible. A great gift. Well, here, and here's another thing too. He said, when he was a kid, he used to dream about having records like that. Yeah. Like have it all. And he goes, now he goes, now he goes, what I want. So we went to the show at the opera, but then the next day, I had to go, oh, train with rich. But then he said, you know, can you meet for lunch at the so house or whatever?

2:36:21And I said, yeah. So he's like, I want you to sign my book. He's like, because or your book, he had my endure book. And he's like, I used to think that I wanted records on the wall. He goes, but now I want a book signed by you. That's what I want. And he had like gloves from, I think a fight. I can't remember whose gloves like UFC gloves. But it's like, it's, that's what means something to him now. Yeah. Not the personal accolades. Right. But I just, God, I can't, I can't talk enough positive about that guy. Such, he's such a warm soul. The first time I met him, I met him at the mothership. He came there to see Ron White.

2:37:01And I was, that was when the club had first opened. And I was kind of there just hanging out, make it sure everything was running right. Because we had just gotten open. And then they said, Hey, jelly rolls here to see Ron White. And then you know where the green room is. Yeah. At the club. He was coming up the stairs and I was walking out. And I saw him. He just goes, what's up? Just big giant hug. I'm like, Oh my God. This guy's everything I hope to be. He's amazing. This beautiful people in the world, man. Yeah. You know, he's one of them. They changed the way you feel about the way you interact with people.

2:37:33And he makes me, I, that's where I said when I got home, it makes me want to be a better person. Yes. Because I saw how he treated everyone. Like there'd be people on the sidewalk. And there'd be like, you know, these little old, old women and are not old, probably my age. Fuck one of my talking about, but it's like so like caught off guard. Like, Oh my God. Jelly rolls here. And he's like, what's up, mama? How are you doing? How are you doing tonight? Give him a big hug. Yeah. Just like looking him in the eye and just the sweetest person, just some, some person walking by. Yeah. But he was, that's a guy where life gave him a fucking terrible hand.

2:38:06And he got through it. And he came out on the other end. And now he's amazing. You know, now it's like this amazing journey that he can like really, truly appreciate every aspect of it. And he's so good at expressing that. He's so good at spreading that love, spreading that positivity. And it really does make you want to be a better person. It makes me want to be a better person. Both him and post, they make me want to be nicer to everybody. I have never tried real hard to be nice to everybody. I you do a great job. You do. You do an amazing job. But it's like, you don't do as good as him. It's like, there's levels.

2:38:42There's levels to everything. It's just like, yeah. His, I think his eyes are just so kind to. Because it's like, what I see, and we said this the last time, but like you see the pain he's, you see pain in his eyes still a little bit. Yeah. Or I do. Yeah. And, or I don't know. You see it in his music. You hear it. You hear it. You hear it for sure. You can't be that soulful unless you've experienced some dark, dark, dark times. I mean, there's some, you know, there's some magic to the way he sings that I just don't, you don't get that from a trust fund, baby. No, you get that from a hard life, man.

2:39:18And coming out on the other side as this like beautiful creation of love and creativity. And that's that dude. That's the real thing, man. You know, that's not an act. That's him 24, seven. And it's amazing. And it's very inspirational. And it's, it's very good for everybody. It's good for everybody. It's good for everybody he encounters. He was like, you know, he was so busy after the show and they had to do a promo stuff at the after the surgery. So we took off. And then he told me he's like, he goes, oh, he goes, I didn't, you know, I didn't get to say goodbye to Tanner. I took Tanner to the show and his girlfriend.

2:39:54And he's like, I said, I think you said goodbye. He's like, I didn't give him like a good hug to say goodbye. And he's like, I mean, thinking about even that. I know. Just about my son is just. There he is. Yeah. Did you see that? Let's play this. We get in with the speech. Because the speech is fucking incredible. I think it's cute up.

2:40:37Megan Parker. Hey, I love all of y 'all. We're friends. Is that Brian? I think you're one of the hottest things on Earth, not just country music. You deserve this as much as anybody else. I love you. I'm glad we're sitting there party in the rest of the night, baby. I'm most importantly, there is something poetic about a 39 year old man winning new artists of the year. I don't know where you're in your life or what you're going for. But I want to tell you to keep calling, baby. I want to tell you success is on the other side of it. I want to tell you it's going to be okay. I want to tell you that the speech still is going to be okay.

2:41:11I can feel it for a reason. Because what the point of view is so much more important than my mind. You can't worry about it. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. It's a preacher. That's what I told him. He's a preacher. I said, dude, if this music thing doesn't work out, you could be a preacher. 100%. You should, because we prayed before at dinner and then before a show. And it was just like the most incredible prayer. I've ever, ever heard. And I'm just like, this, your calling might be a preacher. Well, he's got to doing it through his music and it's reaching more people. That one. It's so powerful. I love that guy.

2:41:46I love that guy too. I love you too. Likewise. Bye everybody.

2:42:05Bye.