#2069 - Dr. Shawn Baker

25:22It's even more insidious than that because the people that are involved in the FDA eventually go and work for these corporations, which is so wild. When you see that happen and you go, oh my god, there's a clear revolving door. It's not like shell corporations or some secret hidden money overseas. No, it's like right in front of your face. These people work for the government. They make these laws and they make these recommendations and then they go on to get these incredible jobs, or they get paid lucrative amounts of money. Yeah, gold parachutes, right? It's crazy. It's that that's legal. It's not only I mean as you probably know like the FDA I mean corporate capture.

26:02I mean the FDA for new drug for new drug Approvals it's like 65 % of that budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry and Itself so they're like they're paying to regulate themselves and so it's like so it's kind of creating the USDA is not any different You know because we talk about our food stuff. I mean these guys that go on to become you know exact you know, big people in the USDA often do the same thing. They'll go into these food companies and they'll have the same sort of situation. And so, dirty business. Yeah, here's, I'll tell you, here's an interesting thing. So I've been trying, so like Harvard recently came out with a study, nonsense epidemiology that red meat is contributing to diabetes and creacierous for diabetes, right?

26:40Yeah. And this is a study done by Harvard. Walter Willett has been the chair. He's been vegetarian. He's been, he's been conflictive for years. But basically what they did was they said, Well, we're gonna count lasagna as red meat. We're gonna call sandwiches as red meat. And the people that eat red meat are overweight, they're smokers. We didn't really correct for that. So it's but the headline is red meat causes diabetes. Meanwhile, you got a study that you know that Harvard did Three years ago with David Lugge says look these people are eating nothing but red meat and their diabetes is going away.

27:08How can those two things coexist? Well What I'm trying to do is get an interventional study done. So I you know, it's kind of mentioning because this is how far what I think the problem is. So I went to something called the NCBA. This is a national catamask beef association. This is supposed to represent all the cattle producers in the United States, right? And there's something called the beef check -off. You remember that beef that's what's for dinner? You remember that thing? It was like Robert Mitchen back in 92 and then I think Sam Ale, they got great voices, right? You know beef is what for dinner, you know, that type of thing.

27:39This is what they're supposed to do. So they collect, it's part of the beef check -off, like every time a cow moves in the United States, like if your cattle ranch and you sell your cow, you got to pay a dollar. If it goes to a slaughter, so it's got to pay a dollar. If it goes to a feed yard, it's got to pay a dollar. So every year, and there's roughly, we slaughter about 34 million head of cattle every United States, which interestingly, India slaughtered more cattle than we do, which I didn't know that, but they slaughter 38 million head of cattle every year. You think about India, they're all vegetarian and eating cows.

28:10They export most of that, but they have the biggest herd to cattle in the world in India. There's 300 million had a cattle in India. That's insane, I thought. So, the United States are sacred. Well, they are in some parts of India, right? But they actually slaughter more cattle in India than we do in the United States. And they export most a lot of it. There's something like Southern India they still eat and they'll eat a little bit of beef. In fact, there's a lot of carnivores in India right now. It's kind of crazy. I did conferences in India and it's just like, wow, it's kind of a growing movement down there.

28:41But back to the point, So we've got this beef check -out system. So every can of answers, they pay a buck, right? And then so at the end of the year, they collect 30, 40, 50 million dollars a year. It's supposed to be to promote beef, like beef, it's what's her dinner to do research and all that stuff. And so I, you know, the US Catalysts Association, which represents the cattle producers, but the NCBA represents cargo and Tyson and the packing things. And so there's a little conflict look between that, but they have all the money. And I went to those guys to the beef check -off and I said, hey, look, we want to spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes because we know the results are going to be.

29:18The people are going to go on and all meat diet or close to all meat diet. Their diabetes is going to go away. So it's simple. And it takes all the confusion out. Because whenever you do a, you know, you realize dietary studies is like, oh, but you was eating hamburgers in French fries. And there's all this confound. Or something. It's like, you can't really test it. I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens. It's the only way to test it. Right. You do an epidemiology study, and you don't account for sugar, sugar, right?

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31:17You're not even counting sugar. That's so crazy. Right, but they get this published and this is really bad science. And guys like John and Idis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world, has basically said, all the septidemiology we're doing, we're just wasting money. It's not telling us anything, because it's all garbage, but they keep doing it over and over again because they generate headlines. The headlines I want. But anyway, back to this beef checkoff thing. So I said, hey, look, every year you award money, hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars to promote beef. So let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes.

31:52And they literally said, now we're not interested in doing that. And I'm like, you got to be kidding me. The beef industry is taking a beating right now. You know, you listen to it. It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef. It's their cowfarts are boiling in the oceans and, you know, it's going to kill you. It's going to give you cancer, which all of it is largely nonsense. And this is, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes. In fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCAA two years. I sat down, I was presented in front of the California Catalyms Association.

32:25And literally the president of the Association stood up and said, I went on a convertite and cured my diabetes. It's like, yeah, it's clear. And the guy said, yeah, I get it. We're going to help you out. We're going to get this going. I didn't hear nothing from these guys. So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these check -offs and they just kind of say look You can't say that because we want to promote You know because again, they have all these processed food lobbies nabisco and PepsiCo sitting on the you know They're on the board and they're like if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this processed food, right?

32:57Then what are we gonna do? We're gonna lose a lot of money you think about it You know not that I'm advocating that everybody on a carnivore diet because I don't think that's I don't think it's necessary from you know, for one, but if you significantly cut back on all those people consuming all this garbage, you know, what does that do economically to this country? I mean, you think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs are needed to be treated, and that you're talking, I mean, we spent four, four point three trillion dollars a year on healthcare in this country, and what do we get for it?

33:26We got one of the second populations in the world, our life and respect is going down, everybody's fat, everybody's depressed, everybody's on drugs, That's crazy. It is crazy and it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that. Or if they do, they look to these epidemiologists studies that don't take into account exactly what you're reading with the meat. Why is it meat that's always demonized? Well, I think for a number of reasons. One, if you go back to like dietetics in the beginning, like back in 1917, the American Dietetics Association was formed. This was formed literally by seventh -day Adventist, so that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science field, the seventh -day Adventist who are religiously vegetarians, you go back to the Kellogg's brothers, John Harvey Kellogg, where he's out there, circumcising females and saying, we can't eat meat because it's gonna make you have sex and make you have lust and masturbate.

34:23This is all like this religious stuff. And then it got good people. People don't know that, but they should know that he developed this serial, this blend serial, to discourage masturbation, which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard. Yeah, that guy was a wacko, man. He was in their fucking... He was giving himself high pressure animus every day. He was just like fucking 20 gallons of men and animus to get he thought that was something. He was a wacko, he was a really nutty guy. You read about some of this. 20 gallon animus. It was some ridiculous super high capacity, like a super -soaker on steroids thing.

34:54Our animus bad for you, because I've always wondered. if your internal gut the fallora is important and it is. Isn't that getting washed out? I think to some degree it is. I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle, but I, you know, I, I think in some cases, like, you know, some people's got some problems with constipation, it could be helpful, but I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most. But I know those people that are like putting where it's up up their butt, man, it's just kind of, yes, like, I think it was good. It might flushed out. It might, but also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess.

35:26I've never done it. But apparently there's a tube and they look at it, oh look here's your problems. Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where they, they consume like this charcoal and this jelly and stuff and this kind of gruel mix. And then it kind of like fills up their intestines and they poop it all out and they say that's clearing out all my intestines. I can't remember what they call up, but it's like, there's these crazy, crazy videos where they just pull on all this like gelatinous black stuff out of their butt, but it's like like you just ate all that stuff.

35:56That's what's coming out of you. It's not all about the toxins. Exactly, you just ate the same stuff. People are obsessed with that term, like releasing the toxins. You know, they really think that that's what's happening when you sweat, you get in the sauna, you're releasing the toxins, like what, you're sweating. Your body's regulating your heat temperature. Yeah, that's what's going on. You know what, clears your toxins, your fucking liver. That's what that thing's for. Yeah, liver kidding, we got a pretty good detox system for sure. You don't need all the smoothie juice fast detoxes. You know, it's like somebody people are detoxing when they're teeth fall off, they're detoxing their teeth.

36:32Well, the other thing is with the smoothie thing is my God, you're getting so much sugar and you're getting it in a weird form. If you're in eating fruit smoothies, you're getting sugar in a very unnatural form. Fruit juices, we say the fruit juices are really good for Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar. And to get it in that sort of liquid dose where it just goes right in your fucking bloodstream and your liver, that's a lot of sugar, man. Well, you'd think about it because you're out hunting all the time. And when you go out and you're like, if I had to get food out here, what would I have available to eat?

37:10I can tell you what you wouldn't have all this processed food, but particularly like powder. We make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine them together. but we've changed the nature of the food so much that it's interesting. You know, I saw Darius, who was a foreign, who's a researcher at Tuftu. He's got to put out the study that says, was part of the study that said, you know, like Lucky Charms or Healthier than eggs. You saw that last year that's told to be us, right? But one thing he did point out was like, over the last 20 years or so, we haven't really been eating much more calories than we were.

37:43Like from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories. and maybe that explains why everybody got fat, but since that time, we really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much more ultra -process food. And in fact, right now the US diet is close to 70 % ultra -process, which you think about. It's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat. But one thing that's interesting is like, because you're talking with a microbiome, right, our gut floor, when you eat whole food, it goes farther down your digestive track, and then our microbiome actually consumes something. Up to 22 % of our calories can be consumed buy our microbiome, but when you're just eating sugar, it goes straight in you.

38:21So those calories, your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that. So you're like, it's like you're absorbing more calories. So just by changing the quality of the food, you're changing how many calories you absorb. And that is what some people say is part of what leads to this obesity thing. But we know like, for instance, well, here's another thing. USDA came out with a study like, I don't know, three months ago. 91 % processed food diet is healthy. You know, this is what they're pushing, trying to get us. because they're trying to position us to say, well, this is the USA put it out. It was probably, I think it was the Nova study.

38:52I think I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's basically because there's some, there's starting to be backlash against ultra -process fruits. I mean, like South America is starting to ban the stuff, which I think, I'm not for banning food. I mean, I think that gets into freedom of choice and things like that. So you shouldn't, just like you can still smoke if you want to. You know, it's not the best for you, So you don't want to do that. But at the same point, you know, they're saying like, this stuff is, there's a lot of backlash. Like people might myself and probably you and others just saying, look, this ultra -process car was just literally killing us.

39:27It's making us crazy, it's making us depressed. All these people with mental health disorders, a lot of nutrition is part of that. And we can talk about that. But, you know, what they're seeing is, there's a backlash against that. Yeah, so that's a no but no. So. Dietary guidelines meet Nova, developing a menu for a healthy dietary pattern using ultra -process food. Yeah, so they're basically saying, hey, how do we make people eat more processed food and make it quote unquote healthy? And they showed that they can make a diet that's like 91 % ultra -process foods and still be quote unquote healthy.

39:59Look at its size here. So is the purpose of this proof of concept study was to determine the feasibility of building a menu that aligns with the recommendations for a healthy dietary pattern from the 2020 DGA and includes a over 80 % what is that KCAL? What's that KAL? From UPF, ultra -process foods as defined by NOVA, designed to accomplish this objective. We first developed a list of foods that fit NOVA criteria for UPF, ultra -process foods fit within a dietary patterns in the 2020 DGA and are commonly consumed by Americans. We then use these foods to develop a set, What does that 7D? 7D, 7D.

40:437D, 2000 kilocalorie menu, modeled on the MyPierreMid sample menus and assessed this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet quality using the healthy eating index. The results in the ultra -process DGA menu that was created 91 % of the kilocalories were from ultra -process food or NOVA category 4, the HEI -215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points. The sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium and an insufficient amount of whole grains. This menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micronutrients except vitamin D, vitamin E, and co -ling. Conclusions, healthy dietary pattern can include most of their energy from ultra -process foods.

41:33Still receive a high -diet quality score and contain adequate amounts of most macro and micro -nutrients. Boy. Right. So, remember, USDA, the guys that go there, they leave USDA and they go sit on the board of directors at Nabisco and PepsiCo. And so this is really, I think what this is, it's positioning us as a society to accept that ultra -process foods are our food. It's really human pet food. I mean, you see what happens to our pets? Yes. And everybody's fat, so we're going to say, well, it's okay. If it's okay if you eat your human dog chow or your human chow, just keep doing that. Don't ask questions.

42:10And oh, by the way, here's an ozampic chow or a semi -glutite chow. Well, some aglutite chow will give you to kind of keep you chilled out. So it's really, I mean, it's almost sinister in a way. It's very bizarre. It's very bizarre that this is unchallenged and that shows you how captured our food industry you really is. The fact that that's not challenged, the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on, hey, what you should be eating is what human beings are designed to eat in nature. Well, I mean, which is real food. I mean, you know, my opinion on dietary guidelines, because we have a USDA that meets every five years in, by the way, so the USDA dietary guidelines pounded, you see there's a physician from from Harvard named Fatima Stanford, right?

42:56And she went on 60 minutes and said, obesity has nothing to do with diet. It has nothing to do with exercise. It's all disease and genetic and there's nothing you can literally do. And really, and she's also sponsored by Novonordisks who makes ozempic, right? And she's on there. And she's also a member of the US Dietary Guidelines panel. So 95 % of the people that sit on the US dietary guidelines panel today for this next one when they're gonna come up for the 2025 guidelines all have financial ties to process food company Which you I mean you think about it's just like this is crazy. So so if you go to like Brazil like Brazil's dietary guidelines Or at least one day released a few years ago.

43:33It was like here's what you should do cook at home Don't eat processed foods and and eat with people around that that she love and that that's their little that is their recommendation, which I think is better than our guidelines, because, you know, I mean, if left to our own, you know, I mean, we are now being told we gotta eat all this garbage, and it's just making us, it's just making us sick, it's crazy. And I think, you know, like, you know, I mean, it's like, this is the most, can you remember a time, because you and I grew up the same time, we're like, I turned 57 in six weeks, and you're like, so we grew up the same time back, and we were kids, I mean, it's like, we were kids, we all watched the same fucking shows, because there was nothing else on, right?

44:10There's what the CBS ABC NBC and maybe like PBS right maybe a local news station That's all you had so we're all watching Gilligan's Island and a Brady bunch and Duke's a hazards and Charlie's angels and stuff like that And everybody had the same thing, but now it's so fraction everybody's divided I mean, I don't know if I can't remember a time when this country's been more divided. I mean can you I mean it's just like every single issue Palestine is real you know COVID, shot, not shot, climate change, no climate change. It's like everything's a war. It's like crazy, but I think part of that is, I mean, I don't think half people's brains work anymore.

44:44I mean, because we're just so nutrient deprived. I think that's really true. And it sounds crazy to say, because people, oh, that's not it. No, it's social media. I think the mental health aspects of social media, which are significant. There's real mental health issues involved involved in these posts and commenting and seeking things that outrage you. I think it's exacerbated by people's poor physical health. Oh, sure. Sure. I'm going to go back to mental health a little bit. So there is another guy at Harvard's named Dr. Chris Palmer. He's a good dude. He's like an Indiana country boy, but he's at Harvard.

45:20And he just wrote a book called Brain Energy, where he talks about how nutrition metabolism significantly affect mental health disorders. And you know, we've got something like 25 % of Americans are on a drug for mental health, which is insane I mean it's like how the hell do we do we make it through millions of years as a species, you know or hundreds of thousands of years rather But what they've shown in one study they showed that you know they took like 30 people that were inpatient like psychotic. I mean schizophrenia Manic bipolar disorder major depressive disorder and they changed their diet they put them on you know clean diet that kind of a lower carb diet, and all of them, every single one of them so a significant improvement in their mental health.

46:02And so, but what do we do now? If you go to rehab, drug rehab, or you put somebody in an institution, they just feed them garbage, and they just keep them perpetuating this horrible, right? When you go to the hospital. Yeah, the hospitals are horrible. Hospital is terrible food. They give you garbage, they give you little fucking things, apple sauce and cheeseburgers. Yeah, that pancakes with syrup and orange juice, and some jello, like the crappy jello that they always get. Yeah, it's all bad for you. You don't get grass fed steak. No, no, no, it's fiber. This is another thing that always comes up when I tell people that I eat only meat.

46:37What about fiber? Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good topic. And so what I would say is fiber is conditionally beneficial. So if you're eating a standard diet, yeah, you're gonna need, if you put fiber, fiber really is a marker for die quality, right? So if I'm some poor guy and I'll meet in his potato chips and cookies, I don't get a lot of fiber. If I got a little more money, I'm probably buying the fruits and vegetables, probably out of guilt, but it generally represents higher socioeconomic status, better overall die quality. And I think it's beneficial in that situation, but if you go like, is it providing anything that I can't get from me?

47:15So there was a study that got named Tommy Wood and the other research that was maleer, I can't remember her first name is female. They did a study looking at what happens to the microbiome, because we're always here, you need fiber to feed your microbiome, you need those short chain fatty acids, you need the butyrate, the butyric acid. Well, they looked at that and they said, look, our gut has incredible metabolic flexibility. And so, even in the absence of fiber, you can get the same short chain fatty acids from protein, you can get it from being a low carb state, where you have more ketones being produced because the main ketones in our blood is called beta hydroxybutyrate, which is very similar to butyric acid.

47:55It's only one hydroxyl molecule, and it reverses all the time. So they indicated that we don't need fiber for that particular aspect. And the other thing, there was a recent study, because I see, well, I see so many autoimmune conditions. I know you've talked to Jordan and McCale, and they've seen these crazy autoimmune conditions, which I've seen in the thousands now. It's crazed like Crohn's disease, also colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, asthma, anything. That there was a study looking at fiber actually exacerbating problems with rheumatoid arthritis because of its interaction with a particular bacteria called pre -vitella, copriol, I think, or something like that.

48:38And so we're seeing, yeah, so high -fibre diet synergizes is an exacerbate rheumatoid arthritis. So basically, you know, it's showing that, yeah, I mean, there can be problems with fiber for a lot of people, particularly if they have these issues. And so, So when people say that fiber is beneficial, what they're essentially saying is that, if you have a poor diet, if you have a diet that's rich in ultra processed foods and garbage, fiber would be beneficial to you because it would help, what does it do? It helps push out. Well, I think it's displaced. I think it's displaced in the garbage off the plate, right?

49:09So if you load your plate up with fruits and vegetables, which I think generally, I'm not a guy that says vegetables are trying to kill you and nobody should, I know there's other people, it's kind of funny, the car you talk about cults. And car was kind of become a cult, right? And it's not because of me. I'm like, I tell people, hey, we're omnivores. This is a therapeutic protocol. Use it for as long as you like. If you want to do it for a lifestyle, have that is fine. I'm not gonna, but I'm, but, but what I think was happening with fiber in a lot of ways, because this fiber goes back to, what's the researcher's name, I'm blacking on his name, he had a cancer named after him, But anyway, from 1920s, 1930s goes to Uganda in Africa.

49:43And notices like, oh, these people are fat and sick, like they are in England and Burkett, Dennis Burkett, say his name. And he says, well, oh, they're eating a lot of fiber. But they weren't also, they weren't eating a lot of sugar and they weren't eating a lot of garbage, like they were in the UK. Because sugar has been around since about the 1600s and progressives increased. I mean, the US right now, it's kind of interesting. Like compared to like the 18 early 1800s, the average kid by the age of something like eight has eaten more sugar than they would have eaten in a lifetime back you know 150 years ago.

50:12So it's kind of crazy. By the time they're eight. By the time they're eight years old the average eight -year -old has eaten more sugar than somebody would have eaten in their entire life. You know, and that's just the normal kids. You know, you see some of these kids are just like, I mean I got, Jay, I got a picture. I got to show you this is so incredible. Jay, there's a there's a gal performing after picture. We got this food addiction stuff. So I interview you to gal, she was 800 pounds, right? It's like, how do you get to 800 pounds? It's like impossible. I don't think I could do it if I tried, right?

50:41I mean, I don't, you know, food at, I couldn't stop eating chocolate and ice cream and all that stuff. And this is her. She's ate almost 800 pounds of 350 kilos, which is the most I've ever dived left at. So that's kind of an interesting way. But 22 months, she goes on carnivore, right, I interviewed her a while back and she's now lost almost 500 pounds on carnivore when nothing else would work for her. I mean, she literally, I mean, she told me it was like I finally found the off switch. She tried weight loss, or she tried like gastric, you know, band surgery. She tried vegan diets, she tried juicing, she tried weight loss, she tried everything you could think of, but could never stop, stop.

51:19And finally for the first time in her life, she's like, I finally found freedom from this food addiction. And you know, recent studies show that that other guy in the hat, this is a funny guy. This guy in the hat right there, his name is, oh, what's his name? I'm Lincoln, I was a toddler. He's a dude out in Montana, right? He was 770 pounds, right? Same sort of situation. Start drinking coax when he was, when he was 14 years old. I'm doing an interview and he goes, yeah, I saw him, you know, I didn't know he was and he starts telling me, he goes, yeah, I was 14, I was 600 pounds. I'm like, what?

51:49600 pounds at 14. I was like, how the hell can you get the 400? But you know, they're poor family and his mom and sister and everybody's in the family was you know very obese and they had tried Got gastric bypass and it didn't work for them But same thing with this kid. I mean, he's just like I call him a kid. He's 40 He went carnivore for the first time in his life. He's like I don't need the sugar And I don't need the coke. He was drinking like 20 coaks today or some ridiculous stuff And he just blew up and blew up and he could not stop until and this is why one of the reasons I think I think they know this I mean the food industry three, nose are making addictive food.

52:20They clearly know that. In fact, I had a gal who worked for one of the major food manufacturing companies and her job, she was a chemist. And her job was to design food to be as addictive as possible. And she literally told me that. She goes, I can no longer get live with the guilt. I want to come work for you guys. And you know, she was just so like, just beside her. So she says she realizes what she's created with this epidemic of disease and suffering. I mean, because these people are suffering. Did you see that movie, the whale? Did you ever see that movie? I did not. It's good. It says itching movie.

52:49It says the umbrella phrase or anything. It's like 700 pound dude. It shows he's lives in his cow. He lives in his recliner. He can't barely get up. He can barely go to the bathroom. Refridure right or next to him. His whole life is in it. And this guy did the same thing. He said he spent like, he said he wasn't, he fasted one time for 40 days trying to lose weight. And he never left his chair. He just sat there for 40 days and didn't eat. Wow. Can you imagine that's like hell. That's like hell on earth. You know, but now he's like, now he's going back to work. He's getting out in the field and he's working doing like electrical work or something and like that.

53:17But I mean, it's just the sugar in one way. There's people out there saying, let's not sugars find, cell seed oils and stuff like that. But I think clearly there are people that are addicted to either sugar or sugary foods. You know, it's like, you know, because you like, would you eat chocolate if there's no sugar in it? I mean, it's like, you know, that 100 % dark is kind of like, you know, have you tried that? Have you come out? Gross. It is. It's like, the only reason you eat that stuff because the sugar's in there. So people say, well, no one's no one's mainlining bags of sugar. I mean, I actually, I know people that have actually done that.

53:45I mean, it's kind of crazy. You see these people that are so addicted to this stuff, but they've mainlined. Well, I mean, well, I mean, they just eat it out of the bag. Oh, so I don't know. It's kind of like they're not shooting it. No, I mean, they're not like heroin addicts. But I mean, they're like, you know, let's, because there are people that say they'll do that if they can't get anything else and you just eat a bag of sugar. They'll sit down. Well, there's the lethal dose for sugar is about like five pounds. If you like sat down eight to five pound bag of sugar, it would kill you. It would literally cause you going to deliver failure.

54:10So there is like an LD50 on sugar. So it is over what time period? Just like whatever, maybe a day or something like that. If you just sat down and ate, and some of these people, you see some of these, have you seen like, they call them fat fluencers, like these body positive? I mean, it's like influencers, but they're fat, right? And they're literally out there. And the process food companies actually pay these guys, right? They do? Oh yeah, it's the same thing. They're getting kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy behavior and unhealthy food. And they're going through what I eat in a day. And it's like, you know, everything.

54:41You know, it's like Doritos and cookies and coax and all the garbage that they're they're they're challenged down on and you know We got this whole the body positivity Movement is being funded by the process food industry. I mean if you didn't know that I mean it's like they're they've clearly Directly they're paying these people to do this the other thing process food come they're paying dieticians on on social media Also to recommend process foods. So it's it's just like it's it's I mean it's it's clearly corrupt It's so dirty. It's such a dirty, but it's like a war against your health and they're the enemy.

55:14They're the propagandists. Well, and then they want to, you know, me seeing this stuff like like, you know, they come off to you. They say, oh, he's a racist or he's a right wing fast just or something like it because you're like, I don't want to be sick and fat. Yeah. That's what they come out and say. It's, you know, it's like there was there's some article like, you know, working out is a right wing conspiracy. Do you see that? Yes. It's like crazy. Wild, it's wild because some people will read that and people that are like extremely aversist being labeled right wing or being labeled racist or xenophobic or whatever it is.

55:44They're terrified of those labels. They don't want that smoke. And so they see these things and it does affect the way they view the world. As ridiculous as sounds, and maybe one article won't do it, but if you see enough of them over time, you will associate that activity with some sort of problematic label that could be put on you, which is incredible that we're so easily influenced. Yeah. Some of us. Yeah, I mean, I saw like, I know you've had Elon Musk on several times. I know he said, like, look, I was a middle of the road, dude, and that's me too. I was like, I'm just kind of middle. Let people live.

56:18I'm not political one way or the other. And all of a sudden, the whole spectrum shifts way over. It's like if you're not promoting like craziness you're all the sudden this Racist crazy person. I've always been left wing Yeah, it's really crazy, but the left moves so far away from what the left used to be and I you're not you're fascist Now I'm a right -right influencer Yeah, I've seen people label me as an alt -right person. I'm like that is so wild that they can do that with a straight face Because I've always I've said hey, maybe we should look in a universal basic income Maybe we should look into universal healthcare.

56:53I think education should be free. You know, I think we should subsidize the schools and we should fix the roads and we should fuckin' fix inner cities and we should, if you're gonna use tax dollars, that's, and if I thought my tax dollars were being used very appropriately in that way, I'd be 100 % in favor of all that stuff. If I thought it really was an overall benefit to society, the problem is bureaucracy and big government is insanely inefficient. Like if you were talking about if there was some sort of private industry and the private industry only profited if something was successful and they got involved in these particular activities.

57:34If they got involved in education, if they got involved in dietary health and the only way they were profitable is if their methods were effective because there's a free market. That would probably work. But when you get the government involved all it does is make the government employees More wealthy it makes the government larger and it makes them protect that industry We covered that with the homeless thing in in California if you're not aware There's people that are working on the homeless there's like a shitload of them and some of them They're making a quarter million dollars a year and they are not putting a fucking dent in it They're not effective at all In fact, the only thing that I saw that was effective at all in stopping the tense in the home situation was when Gigi -Ping physicists got it.

58:21They fucking cleaned it up like that. You could have done this the whole time. What do they do to those people? Where do they put those people? I don't know, but what are they going to do now? Now that Gigi -Ping is gone, are they going to take down the fences and let people camp again? You showed that the overall quality of life of the people that live in that city is not important to you. What's important is the view, the optics, when a fucking dictator comes in visits, which is so wild. Yeah, I saw the governor Gavin Newsom. Do you think he's gonna run for? I think I'm just, you know, I try not to get political, but I'm just like, what's gonna happen in the next election?

58:58I mean, is Biden even gonna be able to run? I think at this point, they kind of have to run him unless he dies. I don't, we don't have, we have one year now. We're in November, we're in late November. We have less than a year. Like, what are they gonna do? I mean, you could look, if Biden died tomorrow, and then what do they do with Kamala Harris? They're gonna put her on the moon? Like, what do they do? She's the vice president. So if he dies, she becomes the president, which is fucking wild when you hear that lady talk. What if, what if, like, Biden says like in, I don't know, May, he says, you know, I'm just not feeling up to it.

59:37and then and then they say come all is now the president she's a first female president and then she steps down at the convention and they said let's give to do some i mean that's a plausible scenario is possible but it would be a real problem for people that are common hair supporters and believe it or they exist yeah but i mean help i mean i'm sure that i'm sure the democratic parties is like calculating how they have to how big is this and what's what's the thing i think they have fucking no cards and they're looking at this this game and i I don't know, I think they're depending upon party loyalty and they're depending upon Trump getting convicted and arrested, I mean, and imprisoned rather.

1:00:13I don't know if that's gonna happen. I don't think it is. It doesn't seem, it seems like as if a bunch of Trumped up charges, no pun intended. Yeah, I mean, I just, again, I'm not a political commenter, not expert, it does seem like really like, why are they going after him so hard right now when they could have done it, you know, like the whatever, the hotel thing or the valuation of the property from 20 years ago. It's bananas. The valuation of the properties, so obvious, so off what it should be. $18 million from Mar -a -Logger, I'd fucking buy it. I'd fucking buy it immediately. That shit was $18 million and you were the only one that was able to buy it.

1:00:50You'd be a fool not to scoop it up because you could sell it right away. You could get alone and you could sell that bitch right away for who knows how much. I mean, I think Forbes valued it. I think it was like well over $700 million. and Trump thinks it's worth over a billion. And he might be right. That's what's crazy. It's a giant piece of property in one of the most valuable pieces of land in all of America. I mean, a house next to them, down the street, a much smaller place, sold for 50. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense of the world. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense if you want to look at Banana Public, Republic tactics.

1:01:24I mean, when you're imprisoning and trying to convict your political opponents, which is the problem with that is, even if you think Donald Trump is a crook. Even if you think that he should be arrested. This sets a precedent for future presidents. If we get someone who is not just Donald Trump, who has a lot of people in the center that say, hey, his economic policies were effective, his foreign policies were effective, even if I think he's a jerk, maybe that would be better to have a jerk run the country in a way that's better overall than what's being done right now. Even if you looked at that, what if someone furtherright than him steps in?

1:01:59What if a war breaks out? What if things get even crazier? What if nationalism really upticks? Then you have someone who is now in power that is far right like it's happened All over the world if that happens and that person if that precedent has been set for Prosecuting your political opponents and going after them with trumped -up charges We have a horrible situation and that's one of the reasons why we have to stick with the rule of law We have to stick with the way this country was founded on. These principles were set up because they wanted to mitigate corruption at its base level at every step of the way.

1:02:35They wanted to stretch it out so no one could be an authoritarian dictator in Run America. Yeah, because you talk about the backlash because you saw like, like, recently in Argentina, you know, that is a libertarian one and then just in the Netherlands, which is kind of interesting because they were like, in the Netherlands, they're trying to get rid of cows. They're like, oh, these cows are farting. they're killing the atmosphere and the farmers were like, we don't like this. And so they had this, I guess is PVV or PPV party, freedom party. And they won that by landslide. And so when you saw in Italy, Maloney takes over.

1:03:05So you've got this, I think backlash coming back. It depends how far it is. It depends on swing back the other way. And you kind of like, I don't know. I mean, it's day to day to me. It doesn't really affect me that much because I'm not like a political crazy person. But I'm just like, how does it affect my day to day stuff? I mean, a little bit of the COVID stuff. I was a little annoyed by that. I don't know. I know it was very annoying. I don't know. I was, I just spoke in a conference in Florida and I had, I had a lot of my loans sitting next to me in the car when it was going out there. I just kind of saw some of the craziness there and I know that's a, that's a really sensitive issue but you know.

1:03:35It's sensitive but it shouldn't be. It should be sensitive the other way. You should, every one at this point in time should realize that we got hoodwinked. Everyone should realize that it was an overall net negative for children that got kept out of schools, masks, all the shit that we saw that went on And forget about just the vaccines, the lockdowns, just what they did, the closing of businesses, the essential businesses that they had big chains labeled as essential, but the small mom and pop stores were forced to go under. People had worked their whole lives to develop these businesses and they took them away from them.

1:04:13And it's fucked up. And the fact that no one is outraged still and that this narrative has been allowed to be portrayed through the mass media that this isn't a major problem and that this cannot happen again. This is fucking madness man. Yeah it's like you said, I'm wearing it. This is from my jujitsu coach, this guy's from Greg Anderson. He was a, he was a, he was a, you know the following of my Instagram? He's a good guy. So he, uh, special forces, special operations rather army ranger, 15, 14, 15 tours overseas, comes back as a Seattle cop and during the pandemic and they You're like, hey, you need to go arrest this lady for doing people's nails at her home.

1:04:51And he's like, I'm not doing that. This is total bullshit, right? And he made a video and it went viral. And the cops, the Seattle police commission said, hey, Greg, we agree in principle what you're saying, but you gotta take down a video. Like, and he just said, no, fuck you, I'm not gonna do it. So they fired him. And so he got like a go -fun me page and he raised much money and he opened a jujitsu studio in a crossfit, and he's like, I make more money now As a great you did to guy that I ever did as a cop so he's great online too He's very wise. He's a guy and he always beats my ass whenever I roll against him Always on marketing that motherfucker man.

1:05:24Of course. This is like I try I one time one round I got to like within two seconds around and he hitting got me and he got me in the last second Well, that's the process. Yeah, exactly. I mean one day you'll be doing that to people Yeah, stay healthy hopefully if I sell the stem cells were for exactly Well, appreciate that. I guess we may have talked about that. So you've been doing stem cells for a while, right? Oh, I've cured some really serious injuries with stem cells. Yeah. I was told needed surgery. Yeah, that's the interesting thing, because I'm an orthopedic surgeon, right? I'd operate them.

1:05:55I replace knees and hips and shoulders and all that stuff over the years. And the orthopedic, it's surgery, orthopedic, you know, academy says stem cells don't really work. But the question is, is it because, again, there's a conflict of interest there? because if you're not getting surgery because you're getting stem cells, I'm losing out on shoulder arthroscopy money, right? So I mean, there's a little bit of conflict of interest there. So I go in it with a little bit of skepticism, but I'm open -minded and we'll see. Like I said, if I notice, because I want to get back to rolling, I mean. The key is you have to not roll for quite a while.

1:06:25Yeah, well, I'm really let that thing heal. Well, what I'm planning on, like I said, I got one of those iron neck deals. I mean, you're a fan of that. And I talked to the guy Robert, I think, is the head of that company. And it's pretty cool. I was doing it in the hotel room this morning, but I mean, it was just like, I wanna, because I got a long neck, I don't know if you can tell I got a pretty long neck. I'm pretty big, strong guy, but my neck is an area where I didn't really like spend a lot of time developing because I mean, when I played rugby, I did. I'd do some neck bridges and wrestlers bridges and like neck bridge and start bench pressing with the blade on there, but I hadn't done that in years, cause I was just like, so then, you know, when I got into Jitsu and I've been doing, you know, two years into it basically, then I just got dumped, man, it was just like, like, you know, we're talking about that.

1:07:06It's got later my head dropped on my head and flex under me. And my, because I'm about 250 to 60. And the other guy was like, I don't know, 220. And it's just like that combined weight. It was just like, it's a lot of weight. Yeah, so it's one thing. So I want. Nexer real problem. John John Machado always said, never trust your neck. Yeah. Yeah. So my goal is to make it as strong and as flexible and pull the proof as powerful before I go back. You know, because I, I may go back to just doing some like drilling and stuff like that, but not the actual live around for a while, but yeah, you just have to avoid aggravating it while it happens.

1:07:38My buddy Shane Dorian, who's a big wave surfer, he just went down to the CPI in Tijuana and they could do some wild shit down there and they inject because that's part of the problem with it not being completely approved by the FDA is they're limited in their applications, so but in Mexico they're not. And so they've had tremendous results and they inject directly into the discs. They put you under under anesthesia, they inject you directly into the discs and they told them don't I want you doing anything for eight weeks nothing Yeah, you're walking. That's it. No, no nothing straining. That's hard to do.

1:08:14It's hard to do But it's it's important. It's so hard for guys like you and I that work out all the time But it's so important and one of the things that I realized I Was getting a lot of stem cells in my left knee in particular. I had a torn MCL and I just wasn't letting it heal properly. I would get the stem cells and then four weeks later, I'd go back to Moitin, I'd be smashing the bag and kicking the pads, then my knee would swell up again and I was like, fuck, and I was thinking, God damn it, I don't wanna get surgery. And then I would go back again, get more stem cells, do it again. Then I finally got the stem cells and I said, okay, I am going to take a year off of kicking and I didn't do any kicking at all for a year.

1:08:53Now it's back to full strength. I have no problems with it. slam in the bag, no problems, it doesn't hurt. It's still I'm missing miniscus in there because I had it scoped in 2003, I believe it was. And so there's a chunk of, I had a bucket of handle tear, it was a real problem. It was a nasty miniscus tear that I had. So they removed some miniscus which can contribute to arthritis if you're not careful. But it just gets a little sore sometimes. But the structure is not, it's not a problem at all anymore. And I did a lot of that knees over toes stuff. You know that guy that guy's amazing. He's amazing.

1:09:30Yeah. And I love that he puts all that information out there for everybody. He just lets you know for free. He shows his mom doing it. He shows how he had all these knee surgeries and all these problems and now he can dunk, he can run, he can sprint, do all these different things. So I started incorporating all those knees over toes things, the Nordic curls, the tip bar raises. My knees are significant and stronger than they've been in years. Yeah, I do some of the backwards stuff that he does. I've got a hill, I've got a hill up my house is about 80 minutes, could you still do a right rear hill sprint, Jody, still do that stuff?

1:10:01No, I haven't done those, but I do a lot of sled work. I do a lot of pushing the sled and I still run a little bit. I do, I have one of those treadmills that are self propelled. Yeah, like an arc one in. Yes, those are great. Those are great. I've got one in the garage. Because you're on the ball of your foot, it's fairly cushioned and that doesn't irritate me at all. Yeah, it's supposed to sort of, I guess, provide better feedback for better correct running technique. Yeah. So the salt air runner is the one I've got it. Yeah, I think that's what I have too. And it's supposedly, I think it's 13 % more difficult than running regularly.

1:10:38Yeah, I've heard it's a little harder. Yeah, so it's nice. So it gives you a real good cardiovascular benefits and doesn't hurt my knees and it doesn't fuck with you. Do you run sprints? Or do you do kind of run out? I mostly just do distance. I'll do time and keep my heart rate at, you know, in the high one for you. 40s, something like that. What percentage of, like when you say, because you're doing, what percentage of your training is jujitsu versus striking, or grappling versus striking? If you do, I haven't been doing much grappling lately. So I've been doing more striking than that, but it was mostly because of my knee, because I just wanted to give it time off and now that it's better, and then I was going through Elkontex season.

1:11:15Elkontex season, I didn't want to fuck anything up, because you know, when you Elkontex, you have to, you know, you're doing 10, 12 miles a day, and you're doing it in the mountains. So most of my work was I was doing rucking, I was doing a lot of farmers' carries, I was doing elevated treadmill with weight on my back. I was doing a lot of things like that that is just designed, stair master, doing all the different knees over toe stuff, box steps, all these different things just specifically to condition my legs for the mountains. And I didn't want to fuck my knees up, well. But that's over, so now I can go back to shit.

1:11:49So I'm done. Yeah, I was just wondering, like, you know, because you got a black belt, you've been doing it for 30 years or so. Forever, forever. Yeah, so you kind of like you figure out like, I'm still in a learning phase. I'm like, the biggest problem for me is like, I can't get into it enough as I want to hit that learning curve. And so I'm just like. The big thing is drilling. Drilling is everything. And everybody loves to roll because it's so fun. Yeah, exactly. It's so fun. But really drilling and live drills, you know, like, you know, and especially if you get good training partners, good training partners are everything.

1:12:19someone who gives you like 50 % 60 % resistance and then you go through a pass phase, you know, you go through a guard pass phase Or you go through a back mount phase, you know, whatever your routine is that you do just fucking do that over and over and over and over and over again I made my biggest leaps when I was a blue belt because I'm good friends with Eddie Bravo and He and I would drill twice a week. We would just get together and nothing but drill nothing but drill and it made massive leaps in my improvement because I was conditioned to hit those my my body knew what it just like tying he would describe it like tying your shoelace.

1:12:58You don't even think about tying your shoelace right? You get it once you know how to do it and you just spring it just does that. You want that with your gizu techniques and the way to get that with your gizu techniques is to drill just drill over and over and over again. That's right. That's why I practice on white belts. Yeah that's why I like Because I find, you know, because I'm still a white belt. I mean, because I just, I don't go as much, but I mean, it's just like, when I go to another white belt, it's like, it's like war, man, it's just like, you know, it's going to be playful. So you got to learn how to be playful.

1:13:27That's what the graces always say. Keep it playful. I try to play, like I have my better roles with the higher belts, like the black belts. Because they know, like they can dial it back in there. It's just kind of like they kind of let you work a little bit. So that's really, and I always, but I always try to get the harder ones, because I'm like, I'm like a big guy and I like, you know, that's a problem too, is that you're so big. You know, when big guys, it's hard for them to learn, that's like a big guy that has a guard is so fucking dangerous. That's why Fabrice Overdum was so dangerous because he was a heavyweight, a giant guy who had a lethal guard.

1:14:00Cause it's so rare, cause big guys can just get on top. They get on top and smash the smaller people, and that's fun. And so they do that more often than not. And it's very rare that you get a big guy that has really sharp, sharp technique. Most people say the best jiu -jitsu to learn is learn jiu -jitsu from a smaller person. You learn jiu -jitsu from, you know, like one of the Mendez brothers, or a hoiler, Gracie, or someone who's a smaller person physically, Marcelo Garcia. So their technique is just sharp. Has to be. Has to be. There's no options. You can't muscle your way around things. How many times have you been caught in an arm bar, you can just fucking yank your arm out?

1:14:37Yeah, it's better if it's a white belt putting on it. usually get out and usually I like it because then I'm like I'm going to get out and land on you. Exactly. But if it's somebody good like Greg, I'm flying. Yeah. There was a period where I was kind of figuring out, I was like pushing his lower leg down and catching it between my legs. And I was doing that for a while and I was kind of defeating him a little bit than he then he of course figured that out and still arm hard me anyway. But that's what being a black belt's all about. How much does he weigh? He cranks, he's 200ish. So that's so that's season size, you know.

1:15:05Deez and size but you have a significant advantage. I'm usually like, I'm not like to 60 it's right now, use them about 250, I'm a little fat right now. You gotta learn how to not use that. And it's so counterintuitive. Well, what do you, they says is use it when you need it. I mean, there's times when strength is important. And you don't wanna, it's like telling a fast guy, don't be fast. I mean, you wanna use what you have to some degree. But that's in competition. What you're, what, what learning and training is supposed to be about is drilling those techniques into your central nervous system.

1:15:34Drilling those techniques into your mind and your body. so that when the opportunity arises, like when you hit an arm drag, your body immediately knows what to do. It's just instantaneous. It's not like, oh, okay, I got the elbow and I pull. Now what? It's just, yeah, I mean, that makes total sense because it's like, it's got a fun, before I hurt my neck, I got all these data hair videos. I'm like, watching them like, because John, John, it's like he's funny. I mean, it's just like, you listen to talking on his videos and they'll just say something off the wall. It's like oh, yes like when you're at the if you're hanging out at the strip joint last night I'm like what you know, so he throws these funny things in there He's such a good explain.

1:16:11You know, he's such a good just you know guy at describing what you're supposed to be doing Yeah, what you're supposed to be thinking why you're doing it. I like I enjoy that But but again, but then you go to a live role and you're like wait a minute It's happened changing too fast for me to keep us. Yes. Yeah, that's what drilling is home Yeah, I really is everything when you thought you meet guys that drill versus guys that don't drill Another thing that really helps is teaching. When my friends who realize that they really love Jiu -Jitsu and they started teaching lower belts to make a living, they didn't want to do their job anymore so they got a job teaching, private lessons.

1:16:50Those guys got so much better. It's really incredible. It's extraordinary the leap that they make because they're concentrating on the basics and they're explaining it to me, to people. So when they're explaining these things to people, it's like cementing it in their mind, like really carving those grooves deeply in their mind and their body. So their body knows exactly what to do in those situations. Yeah, we used to have a saying in surgery, C1, D1, T1. I mean, it wasn't exactly that, but I mean, if you could teach it, then you really had it down. A hundred percent. That's when I got really good at martial arts when I was teaching.

1:17:25When I was a kid, I started teaching very early on my instructor realized that I had some potential So he told me at a very young age. I think I was like 16 when I started teaching He said look we need someone to teach white belts You're good and you're very dedicated if you teach you can train here for free. So I was great I was like this is awesome not enough to pay dues. I'll have to do a show up and teach Which I love to do anyway and it helped me it made a big I got big leaps in my improvement from teaching Yeah, I make sense. You know what you want really shocked me is because you know I doing this carnivore stuff a lot of people are reaching out to me I had the first time I met like a Professional MMA guys name was George George Carcane and he thought it in Bellator.

1:18:07Yeah Yeah, very good fighter and he goes hey Would you mind if I came your house and trained? I was like yeah, sure come on over and he's such an I was like This is a killer these guys are assassins. I mean their job is literally to beat people up right? The nicest people have ever met. I mean, I've been amazed at how just super nice all these guys I mean, I've met a lot of them now and it's just like, there's nothing to prove. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, that's the one thing, one of the reasons I like about you to is like, it puts the rest of your life in perspective. You go there and literally, like someone's literally like trying to kill you, trying to kill you.

1:18:36If they choke you to death, you'd be dead. If they like, continue, you literally die. And so you're like, you're fighting for your life. And then the rest of life is like, well, at least I'm not getting, it's so much easier. It's what's the hardest thing you do is always the hardest thing you do. If the hardest thing you do is parallel barking, I can't do it. It becomes a fucking real issue. But if you're used to Jiu -Jitsu, the rest of the life is easy. You just try not to get your arm broken. You try not to, like literally. I mean, how many people are running around all day where multiple times a day you're trying not to get your arm broken?

1:19:11Right, yeah. It's pretty rare. But in Jiu -Jitsu, it's insanely common. Yeah, it's like 10 times and a half an hour. So it's very rough, yeah. Also, it's such an insane stress reliever. and it's a moving form of meditation because it's so engrossing and it's so all -encompassing. You're all your thoughts are on that movement at that time. If you're training, you're rolling. All your thoughts are completely locked in. You're not thinking, fuck my electric bill. I forgot to pay it. Oh my God, I gotta do this. And what about the end of the month, I owe taxes? You're not thinking of any of that, Shep.

1:19:42If you're thinking of any of that stuff, you're quickly gonna be choked. Yeah, it's just like, you know, it's gotta fun. And this is trying to explain that to us. like my, you know, my, my spouse is like, she sees me coming in my face, is all scratched up. I got black eyes. She's like, what the fuck? You know, this stuff doesn't, she doesn't compute her. But I'm like, it's so fun. It's just like it's so there's such a pause of trade off for that. And you only like the, like I said, I'm just thinking about for like, you know, think about longevity and stuff like that. And it's like, yeah, if I get hurt, then I can't train.

1:20:10And then that's going to have a negative impact. And we so it's kind of balancing that out so that you can still continue to do the things that keep you healthy and still enjoy this. The thing is training smart finding good training partners like if you trained with Greg I guarantee you it's safer Training with someone who's like a brute of a blue. Yeah, he's never hurt me You know, he's never hurt me, but he's he's submitted me like a gazillion times It's like again. That's what being a black belt all about But if you can just find training partners like that and then also drill you'll be able to train well I mean the Iliogrecy was training well into his 80s Yeah, but but if you watched him train he was training with his sons and they were just they were flow rolling You know, so he's always going over the techniques, but there's no spiking them on his head You know I'm saying it's like that the problem is the actual chaos of rolling where knees get yanked and you know Fucking the backs get fucked up.

1:21:07That's where the problem lies But if you can train smart and train with other people that are also dedicated to training smart you can continue your improvement Yeah, that's why I look forward to getting back out. I'm thinking probably with this mech thing probably, you know You know three or four months down the road. I'll be so addictive. I remember I was like I guess I was probably like 27 or 28 the first time I got hurt and I went to a doctor and the doctor's like Well, you got to stop doing jujitsu. I was like okay Fix this and get right back in there. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about like all I was thinking is like Like how long do I have to recover from surgery before I can get back to rolling again?

1:21:44That's all I was thinking. I was not thinking like, oh, I have to stop now. I was like, what? He was saying stop. I was like, stop what? Stop the one thing that keeps me sane. Like, cause, you know, especially if you're a person that deals with other high pressure things, it makes those other high pressure things so much easier. It really does. And it elevates your human potential. like whatever you do in life will be easier to do because you do something that's so much more difficult than anything else. Yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, they're taking the cold, the cold plunge, the cold charge.

1:22:17Like if I get up and do that, the rest is, like you say you get first thing in the morning. So the rest of the day is downhill from there, right? Exactly. I get up and the first thing in the morning, I'm fucking cold, I go out there, I'm in a bathroom, I'm like fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. I don't, it never feels good. I never want to do it. Every single time, my bitch ass brain tries to find some way to override my discipline and tell me you don't have to do it today. You've done it three days this week. You go, I'll take a day off. Let's go inside and get a cup of coffee and watch TV. I'm like, shut up, pussy.

1:22:48Let's go. And then you get in there and I just stare at my stopwatch. I stare at the watch and I go, when three minutes is over, I'm gonna be so happy I do this. And every time three minutes is over, I get out. I feel amazing. Yeah, because you got this crazy. Like you said, rapid river. like it keeps circulating water. It's called a blue cube. We have it in here. Yeah, that thinks sucks, but it's awesome. But you don't have to have it on. You can turn it off. It's still cold. It's still cold as fuck. But if you really want to experience the stuff, the real suffer crank that bitch up and it's a raging river.

1:23:21Yeah, it pushes the thermal layer away from you. Yeah, and it's also like really well built. It's an awesome machine. I can't recommend it enough. Blue cubes are the shit. I also at my home, I have a Marasco forge, which is amazing too. I love any one of those. It's great. It's cold as shit. The whole thing is just suffering. The whole thing is getting your body to adapt to this insane environment, making more brown fat, elevating your cold shock proteins, and also ramping up your dopamine in a significant manner. When you get out of there, your dopamine ramps up for 200%. And it's like that for hours.

1:23:57I remember, I can't remember. Like, well, I used to do ice baths, you know, back way of the day. And I would sit in there for like 30 minutes. I mean it wasn't as cold as it would but I get out and I'd be you fork I mean I would literally be like you for it was like I'd shiver but I'd be like it was like I would happy for like That's what it is. I have a group of comedians that I'm running on like a little comedy Em like comedy training bootcamp But I am trying yes, they're all they're gonna do it in January Okay, I'm working them out to it now world carnivore month, which is when I first did it So I've got them now where they're cold plunging after workouts and eventually like within the next couple of weeks we're going to start with the cold plunge which is that's next level.

1:24:40That's when it gets hard. Then I'm saying look we go through, I start them off, every workout starts out with 100 body weight squats, 100 pushups. And I tell them if you can only do 5, do 5, you don't have to do 100, you know like I'm doing sets of 20, if you want to do sets of 5, do 5. The most important thing is we want to build a base. So if you get to like five and you're struggling, stop right there. I'm not trying to kill anybody I'm just trying to give you guys a base so you have a good time So we're all laughing. We're having a lot of fun I'm running through these workouts. We're doing it three four days a week and then we get in the cold punch We get in the sauna first which is the way I've been doing it with them So they get to the point where they're actually kind of looking forward to the cold because I don't fuck around with the sauna I get that bitch up to 185 degrees We sit in there for 20 minutes if anybody complains of throw water on the rocks I'm like, come on man, this is the whole, I know you can do this, I know you don't wanna do this, but the whole idea is when it's done, you're gonna feel better because you did a thing that you didn't think you could do or you think you had to quit and you don't have to quit.

1:25:39Cause sometimes they'll be in there like, I gotta get out. I know you don't, you have four more minutes. You can do anything for four minutes, almost. But just fucking concentrate. Concentrate and relax and just deal with it. Count to 10 and then count to 10 again and then keep doing that. And eventually it'll be four minutes. Just do it and then afterwards I get them in the cold and when I get them in the cold They get out there like oh my god. I feel amazing. I go don't you feel great? so By doing it this way where I'm just introducing them First two bodyweight exercises then to very light kettlebells You know like 12 pounds swings clean presses some wind mills Then I've now got them doing renegade rows a little more difficult You know and then now I've got them doing you know like the rogue So I've got them doing like those sit -ups where you hang low and come all the way up.

1:26:29I'm like, if you don't only do three, do three. I'm doing sets of 15. You don't have to do what I'm doing. Just do, because I built up to this, we're going to do those. Then we're going to do some back extensions. I'm going to strengthen your core. We're going to do some reverse squats with the pulley machine. So we're going to do those with 50 % of your body weight. If you can only do two, do two. I want you to get up to 10. We're going to do sets of 10 eventually. But we're going to build a base. And so we build this base and now these guys are fucking happy, they're confident, they're coming to the green room before the shows like, dude I feel fucking great.

1:27:01So yes, because I mean, I imagine like I mean you've been a comic for a long time, right? And that's got to be a tough lifestyle that went away because you got late at night all the time. It's drink and smoke and Party, I mean are these guys because I mean obviously the UFC fighters are different breed than the comics and are you finding that that like in your own personal experience that being in shape helps you with your craft. I think it helps you with everything in life because it makes your mind function better. People wanna think that the mind, the body are two separate things. They're not.

1:27:32You're an entity. Your existence is all symbiotic. It's all working together. If you eat better, if you rest, but look if I'm tired, like for some reason, I had a travel or this or that or something woke me up and I'm not getting any sleep and I have to do stand up and I have four hour sleep. I don't have as much juice. You know, I'll have to drink like a couple of spressos. I have to fucking do some jumping jacks, get my brain fired up. And then at night I'm significantly more tired that day. If I sleep eight hours and I eat really good food and I come in there, I have more energy. If you have more energy, you'll be better at everything you do.

1:28:09There's not a thing you can do other than sleep where when you have less energy, you do it better. Nothing else. So if you have more energy, you'll be better at comedy. You'll be better at talking to people. You'll be better at whatever the fuck it is you do. Whether you're an accountant or a fucking songwriter, you'll be better at it. If you have more energy, it's not like mutually exclusive that you have to be a drunk fatso in order to be a funny comedian. It's just not true. A lot of drunk fatso's are funny comedians because they're wild, impulsive people, and that's fun to watch. But there can still be all those things and be healthy Yeah, I mean I think you know, I'm not not a comic I do some stupid skips or kind of funny, but it takes a lot of creativity intelligence to be funny I mean, I mean you would know that I mean it's like it's something that a lot of comics are very very intelligent people I mean I would you know yes, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of my friends are surprisingly funny a lot of them are Uneducated but they're also very smart They're very smart.

1:29:09They're very what you call it street smarter wise. They get things they understand people They're armchair psychologists. They understand what makes people think and behave like Patrice O 'Neill is one of the greatest comics of all time He was diabetic and he was a big overweight guy But he was brilliant and he had an understanding of human psychology that came from life experience and Whatever shit he went through when he was younger that he brought to the stage and And he would have been better if he was healthy, which is crazy, because he was so good already. So these guys that are training with you, are they all living awesome or local comics?

1:29:47And so you've got like a new club or something like that, right? The comedy mothership. Yeah, that's some town or something. Yeah, so these guys are all guys that I work with all the time. So if I'm doing shows, there are Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'm doing shows with these guys. So there's like a really cool camaraderie and brotherhood with all these guys, and we all work out together. And you know, it's like, I don't like that term team building because I don't think about as a corporate environment, but there's something to that. Like, we're all brothers and we get together and we have fun together.

1:30:16And they're learning. They're learning, they're like, oh my god, this actually makes me feel better. And I was never, they were never involved in anything like this before. They never had like organized workouts on a regular basis. But to fact that they're all going through it together as beginners and that they're getting guided by someone like me who loves them and who is already fit and they could see the benefits and I'm telling them, dude keep going you will have a fucking six pack before no before you know it. You will be better you will feel healthier. Change your diet, change what you do, change how you live your life.

1:30:50Make sure you get your sleep in. Start taking vitamins. Just start listen, athletic grains is the fucking easiest thing to take. Take a scoop, put in water, spin it up, you got vitamins. Do give your fucking body the nutrients it deserves. Do these things and you will feel better. Yeah, I mean, is there ever like, I mean, there's some like, I can remember through the years, like John Belucci, John Candy, these giant, you know, they all died early, right? Where your drugs are, whatever, probably the obesity didn't help them. But is there a danger of like, once you become that role, like you're the big, heavy guy, you got to stay that way to get the job.

1:31:22So, I mean, you're like, maybe in Hollywood and stuff like that. Yeah, in Hollywood. If you want to be a big fat guy in movies, yeah, my advice sucks You don't have to be the big fat guy. What's the guy that he's like I can set there something like that He's like a red -headed kid. He was Seth Rogan. No, not Seth Rogan is another. No, I can't remember the guy's name Anyway, he was a big chubby kid and he lost a lot of weight and I can't remember what his name was But he was in like super bad or something. Oh, yeah Um, Jonah Hill. Yeah, yeah, him. So he's like lean battle. Yeah. But he's still he still has a career.

1:31:56I guess of course he does. He's talented. Yeah. But also those movies that he used to be in, they don't fucking make those anymore. Because the the woke PC culture is fucking through water on that fire. I mean, they used to make movies like Tropic Thunder. If you made a movie like Tropic Thunder today, everyone's going to jail. Well, it's one of the greatest comedies of all time. We're super bad. You could make super bad today. Jesus Christ the backlash should be insane. That's it's crazy how like I don't know I mean, I guess I guess like like generation X is the toughest generation You know, it's kind of like you know, yeah, but there's a lot of like really funny guys like Andrew Schultz is a perfect example One of the best comics a lot.

1:32:36He's fit. He's thin. He's smart. He doesn't party and He's you know, he's still hilarious. You don't have to be dying to be a good comic. It's not necessary. Yeah, there's a comedian saying it's Brent Pellad. You know who he is, if you're seeing him. He does like a lot of these carnival diet things and stuff they did. Do you know a place called Hopdotti? Have you heard of that place? It's a birdie place. It's a hamburger place. And my friend is one of the executives over there. And they had like an imposter burger and beyond meat on their menu for a while. And he was like pissed off about it because he's kind of carnival leaning.

1:33:12And they were kept trying to get rid of it, And I think one of them paid like a million dollars to keep it on the menu. It was like ridiculous. They were just, you know, obviously forcing this on the population. And beyond me, it's just like tank. Nobody wants that stuff. You know? The stock went from like two, 58, like three years ago to house like five bucks. It's like, you know. Not only that, they're fucking getting sued. Like people that are, that were shareholders are suing. Oh, for, for, yeah. And it's, it's like, so, the hop -dotty made a video like we're getting rid of Beyond Meat and they threw it in the garbage and it was comic print, and it's funny little, it's like a three minute funny video.

1:33:46And beyond me, it actually sent them a cease and desist not making fun of us. Which is a whole lot of it. How can you say that? I don't know, I guess he did. I mean, don't make fun of us anymore. How can you send a cease and desist for making fun of something? That's what they did. It was just funny. Yeah, I don't think you have to obey that. Well, I don't know if they did. It's part of culture. You can make fun of anything in culture. It's in America. You see what they're doing in Ireland? Ireland is recent they're trying to pass some law where if you have memes on your possession so if you have something in your possession that could be used to marginalize or incite violence which is very open ended like something funny could be used to incite violence in their ridiculous ideology that you could be arrested for that.

1:34:35It wasn't there a guy that was sentenced to jail for having a meme about Hillary Clinton recently. No, he created a parody meme about Hillary Clinton. He went to jail for it, though. Something happened. It's like crazy. I don't know if he went to jail or if he was convicted of something. I don't know what the sentence was. But yeah, and this was because that they were... What were they saying? That was like, Jamie will find it. But it's something egregious. Because it was a very subtle parody. where you could say that this was just not true. These are falsehoods. So here it is. Man who spread misinformation on Trump's behalf sentenced to seven months.

1:35:17The man Douglas Mackey spread internet memes meant to fool people into not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. So what were the memes? Let's find out what the memes were. Okay, but let's find out what the thing. Evidence, oh, that scrolled up a little bit. But evidence show that the participants discuss generating interest in email stolen from the Clinton campaign by Russia, betraying Miss Clinton as a warmonger, and promoting the claim that she had cheated during the primaries to get supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders to hate not just Hillary, but the Democratic Party itself. Mr. Mackie published, pushed the hashtag right in Bernie, hashtag right in Bernie, evidence showed and stated that women and naturalized citizens should not be allowed to vote.

1:36:09He also wrote that black people were unintelligent and gullible and suggested spreading a hashtag, hashtag never vote in black social media spaces. Yeah, but here's the thing, like this was all parody. This I'm 90 % sure. Let's find out what he actually made. But I remember looking at the things that he made and going well that is if you didn't know any bad I mean you seem like today with the AI stuff I mean I know you've had like fake AI Joe Rogan's right? There's gonna be stuff that are just like they're gonna Take something and make you say something that you never would have said and you already doing that I don't know what to do.

1:36:49I don't know what I can do They're selling big dick pills and I'm selling all kinds of stuff online Rappers are using me to promote themselves like I'm talking about this is the hottest rapper alive and you know It's an age. Yeah, if you can't do anything against that. I don't know what you can't be doing. What can anyone do? I mean, it's good to come here. Well, I guess you could ask Instagram to take it down, but Instagram has some wild shit up in the algorithm now. I see murders every day now. Every Tom Segura and I have this thing where every day we send each other worst shit that we can find.

1:37:22And because of that, my algorithm is now conditioned to show me the worst things. Oh my God, every day it's people getting pulverized. Yeah, but they're banning like I saw Chad Mendez, you know Chad Mendez and you know see yes They've took down his hunting photos. Yeah, so you can't put up hunting photos Yeah, you're showing murders and all this other crap on there It's a lot I think they're doing it from these like really sketchy accounts and they just make thousands of these accounts Pope put that up there It says Twitter user convicted for false voting information not Hillary Clinton memes fact check Okay, but this is like you were the two are the fact checkers.

1:37:56No USA today. It's just fucking Mainstream. Go back to that, please. Oh, sorry, the pop -up, I popped up. So, scroll down and what is it saying? Instagram post directly scroll back up. It's like a read that includes a screenshot of post on X, formerly Twitter that claims social media users being in prison for political memes. Breaking Twitter user Douglas Mackey sentenced to seven months in prison for being found guilty of election interference for making memes, The Sparaging Hillary Clinton reads the post, which links to a post -millennial story making the same claim. It received more than 70 ,000 likes in two days.

1:38:35Another version of the post shared on X by right -wing commentator Denesh D'Souza received nearly 1 ,300 shares. It's a scroll deck now. Okay, our rating false. Making memes to sparaging political figures is not illegal. Mackey was sentenced for posting memes that encouraged Clinton supporters to vote via text message Which is not a valid way to vote? Let's let's see if we could find the memes I mean that's what it has a link for it, but okay, but no, no, that's a direct link to something that said he was sentenced to prison For a political commentary Generally would have the meme in that these posts though, so yeah, doesn't I mean we had to check let's see You're going to Gulag?

1:39:18No, that's that's them doing that. That's different. Let's see if you can find what his Memes were that he made Douglas Mackey memes. There they go. Okay. That's not really a meme though you there Kind of is save time avoid the line vote from home text Hillary to 59925 and we'll make history together this November 8. Okay, that's borderline, right? Because that is kind of misinformation information. I don't think the guys who go to jail for it. But like click on that one in the upper right hand corner. Yeah, that one says vote for her vote from home post Hillary using hashtag presidential election.

1:39:56Yeah. This is definitely not true. There's nothing funny about that. Right Right, that is yeah, that's different. Avoid the line vote from home text Hillary. Yeah. Okay. So I wonder how many people got fooled by that a lot I said over five, like for some of the range of 5 ,000 people texted one of those numbers or something like that. I'm sure. I'm sure they did. Because if you saw that and you all have to do this and I don't have to vote in person, yeah, if you're not aware, I could see how that could get you. So that's, that's, yeah, that's a little different than a meme. I mean, it's kind of a meme, but it really is, maybe that kind of falls under misinformation.

1:40:38I don't think the guy should go to jail for it, but it probably, You probably shouldn't be allowed to maybe lose your count or something like that. Yeah, because I've been, you know, I got banned. I remember I got banned from Twitter for like a year, you know, just because... It's for what? I don't know. I mean, they said they said there was like a copyrighted music, like music playing the background on one of my videos tonight. We're going to ban it for life. And I was like, ban me for life. What did I, you know, it's like there's people out here putting, you know, promoting murder and death and her on there.

1:41:05Yeah, and I'm like, I'm like... The Taliban's on there. Right, exactly. It's kind of crazy. It's not that. It was that you were promoting this all -right lifestyle of eating meat only like an exercise and Very problematic Shawn it is we can't have people eating meat and being healthy and working out That's fucked up. I don't know why you did and I hope you've changed your ways while I'm working on that So I like I said where you we talked about that debate with the wacko. Oh my god. That was my favorite one you've ever done So I don't know when this took place, but I just discovered it was like two weeks ago I just discovered a couple of days ago, but you are debating this guy and You by the way you played this brilliantly where you just had this like little smile in your face and you let them talk and This guy was saying that you've never met a vegan like me Not only do I not think that you should eat me because you were talking about the animal kingdom What about the animal kingdom like and in the world?

1:41:58He was like oh, I don't think the animal kingdom should exist I think we should replace it with human infrastructure. He was saying that he thinks that all animal prey, predators and prey, that's all problematic and we shouldn't have any of that. So he's for eliminating all animal life. Yeah, it's kind of bizarre. I was just like, I don't even have to say anything. It's not even a debate. All I got to do is just let you talk for like... By the way, where does this motherfucker think fertilizer comes from? How are you going to grow your vegetables? What he doesn't care about that he he said basically I don't care if you kill Billions of creatures to grow avocados doesn't matter to me that that's fine Even if they were he said even he went as far as say is even if they were humans You were slaughtering to produce crops that I ate.

1:42:44It's fine But if you feed a fair cow and then kill the cow that's a rights violation That's a problem like and then he was like he said he won the debate because I said I probably wouldn't need a homo erectus You know like he said if we could bring back something as close to human human homo sapien But not exactly You're trying to get me to say it's okay to eat humans, but but that's how he won the debate That's what I say claims he wanted to pay if you say I don't think you should eat orangutans right right right then you're He won then he that that was the whole thing. It was just it was bizarre.

1:43:14I was just funny. I mean it was hilarious But he's in a cult, you know whether he realizes it or not He's in a cult in this cult is not it's it's not based on any objective assessment of the reality of Biological life on earth. It's just not it's like to say that you think all animal life should die Are you including insects? Because if you include insects then you're including bees then you're there's no pollination Yeah, you know like what are you saying? Well, I mean we were our species week if there are no animals We would all be dead too right everything would be going so it's like you know It's almost like, well, you don't really seem like you fit to well on this planet, dude.

1:43:50Well, I think that's a deeply unhappy person that's probably very depressed. And also a contrarian to the point of complete illogical thinking. Like the idea that you would think that all predator and prey animals that exist on Earth, including Africa, in the wild, like areas where there are no human beings ever. and these animals all coexisted in this very balanced food chain where you have predators in prey and the predators keep the prey animals in check and that there's just like balance in terms of population. The fact that you think that human beings should somehow another stop that and replace it with human infrastructure.

1:44:38That's basically what he's saying right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all over the parking lot and grow food in a factory. See if you can find that guy. It's hilarious because I don't think he understands like plants literally survive on biological material that is being broken down by the natural process and converted into fertilizer. There's this symbiotic relationship. They breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe Breathe out oxygen. We breathe in oxygen. We breathe out carbon dioxide, the more carbon dioxide, which is a real problem with the whole climate crisis things. The earth's literally never been greener in observable history.

1:45:21Right now, with the higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, you literally have a greening of the earth. The whole thing is super complicated. And to try to boil it down into some very easy to follow away because it supports your ideology is what most people are doing. Yeah, Jamie, if you go to my Instagram, like a couple back, like, uh, there was like, I think it's like, I take on the final vegan ball show. Yeah. And it was like, did you put those seed oil bottles behind it? No, he did. It was his. That's because he's a big promoter. And he thinks, you know, there's a whole argument about, you know, you should be drinking gallons of canola oil and it makes you.

1:45:58So he did this. Give me some volume and refresh this. I could hear what this guy says because it's really funny. World in to non -existence, right? Like I think the wild, I think the natural world is actually morally problematic and I advocate for its non -existence. So you go, go. Can you expand upon that? What does that mean? You advocate for getting rid of the natural world and we live in a, oh, absolutely. Yeah, the natural world is filled with death and destruction things I find morally problematic. So I wouldn't, I would. What would you replace that with? Human infrastructure. Human infrastructure.

1:46:31and you're saying we would do a better job as humans. Yeah, I would even go so far as I think the end goal should be to ditch this ball because it's a liability in and of itself. But a lot of people might find that problematic. It's fine. People are free to think that I have a weird position. Just on that show, like, do you see where he's coming from there? I haven't given this title. I can see his argument. I would disagree with that pretty little thing. You know, to create that if you make human infrastructure over where there's usually a huge amount of suffering and death in the last violations most likely this season.

1:47:03So I guess if we're calling a rights violation a lie and eating a zebra, is that would that fall into your definition of a rights violation? On my definition, yeah. Okay, interesting. So who's the other guy? Obviously that is a nice. I'll tell you this. So the other guy's a name, he's a vegan activist, his name's James Aspie. And he would just be like a drug addict and I was vegan and he was like, he made this like rap video saying, I wouldn't, I was afraid of him and wouldn't debate him. And I was like, okay, whatever. So he wanted a partner to debate with me, and I said, I don't go bring somebody on.

1:47:33And this is the other guy he picked as his backup, and I'm like, he's probably regretting he brought this guy on now, because he's like such a wacko. But, uh, Well, the guy that you're the other guy, not the final vegan boss, but the other guy is like, don't you see his point? Exactly, exactly. Rights violations. Right violations. So a mountain lion eating a mule deer is a rights violation. Well, then I asked him, I said, well, what about the lion that needs to eat? Doesn't he have any rights? He goes, oh, I don't care about them. I'm like, oh, God. So let's eat them. Let's eat the lions. That's only predators.

1:48:09No. That's a rights violation too. That's a rights violation too. Yeah, they're bizarre. Well, it's just a complete, it's convenient thinking. It's not based on facts. And if you mean, there's one of the things that's been discussed at Nazim, but Ted Nugent that covered it. That if you want to kill the most things, eat a vegan diet. If you're thinking, like you made this argument that one cow, like one cow is one life, and it's probably better to eat cows because if you eat a cow, that's an enormous animal. And you can eat that cow for like six months. Yeah, how long has that elk last you, Joe?

1:48:44Months. Months. Yeah, that's it, I was just, so I was just, I was just a pounds. Yeah, I was just an organ and that's the end of the Lewis and Clark Trail, right? And you read back there, If you've ever read like the history of the Lewis and Clark in a position, those guys were eating up to nine pounds of meat a day when they had a lot of game. They had 31 dudes and they would go through like every day they go through four deer or an elk in a deer. A lot of ball fairs. A lot of bear stuff like that. Have you ever eaten bear? I've never had it. How's it taste? I got some here. You got some. I'd like to try.

1:49:11I'll give you some. Awesome. Yeah. Cam Haines shot a bear and he turned it into pepperoni sticks. What kind of bear was it? Black bear. Black bear. Yeah. But you can eat grizzly bears too. The problem with bears is, the real problem in society is that people view them as what my friend Steve Renelle likes to call charismatic megafauna. Because we think of it as like yogi bear and only you can prevent forest fires and you know teddy bears and all that shit. Not teddy bears. But yeah, they're fucking giant predators. But when you eat grizzlies and you eat particularly brown bear that are coastal, which are really large ones.

1:49:51They're eating a lot of fish and they might taste like shit. Whereas if you get a black bear that is munching on blueberries, they're sensational. Steve Rinaldo says it's some of the best meat he's ever eaten in his life. And when there's a video of him, see if you could find Steve Rinaldo blueberry bear. So they specifically target these fall bears that are eating blueberries. And when he opens it up, he says they smell like blueberries. Their Fat is purple and he said the meat is delicious. So this is an interesting thing because this is like So that's This is him right what he's doing now This is Steve after he's shot the animal and these are pieces of meat that is quartered up and so he's taking this fat And this fat has a blue see how it has like a blue hue to it.

1:50:41Yeah, that's from the berry And see give me some volume What's it saying to that? Oh, there's good stuff right there. So he's going to start? He's up in Alaska or something like that. Well, he lives in Montana, but he has a fish shack in Alaska. And I believe he was hunting them in Alaska. Because that's where he'll specifically target them where they're eating blueberries. getting in the third line here by some rare red meat. There's a good sign. And so what he's doing now is he's gonna use a jet boil. It's running on the hip. Yeah. And he's gonna cook the meat in the fat. No, it's kind of. So that fat, if you look at it, it's got like a blue shoe to it.

1:51:28Like a reddish -blue shoe to it from blueberries. So he cooks that down, gets the oil, gets it fat, and then he dunks. On the other way you can do this, you can actually put it. So it gets so much a hot melted fat and anything that cooks is like coffee, like coffee duck, yes. You have to make sure you cook it to 150 plus degrees to avoid tricking those. I forget what the number is. I've had a lot of fatt of wine up sitting on top of the water, but for deep -frying meat, it's better to have pure oil. But if you just want an oil out to drink, just if you need it like, you know, a quick energy charge, you can do it that way a lot faster than rendering it like this.

1:52:08My brother one time I watched you like rendered a mug full of bear fat and just drank it like coffee That's all good that stuff Hunters like Daniel Boone. I mean that guy would shoot bears just for oil. You could sell the stuff. It was a markable from You can continue to cook these fat pieces down down down And it was behind me crispy little treats like a little pork. How hard is it to bear to get a bear tag like it's not that hard Depending on where you go. They're they're over populated in a lot of areas You want to hear something crazy? What state would you think has the largest population of bears per capita?

1:52:42Per capita? Yeah, take a guess. Per capita Wyoming. New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey has a real bear problem. People live in New Jersey. I know. A kid a few years back who's going to Rutgers got killed by a bear out there. Wow. Black bears are more likely for some reason to kill people for food. Whereas brown bears and grizzly bears, is generally they kill people because they get startled or it's a mom and her cubs. I had a black bear walk through my backyard. It was like, got it on video with like, I put them in Washington. Pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty good. My spouse was taking a bath.

1:53:17She heard them dogs barking. She looks out there as a freaking bear walk. And I was out of town. She's like, oh my God, there's a bear. But the interesting thing, you know, it's about the blue, you said about the blue stuff and the fat. So, and Jamie, I've got a paper. I think it's from Stefan van Bled about phytonutrients in meat. So we talk about phytonutrients, right? You gotta get all your plants, get your phytonutrients. meat actually contains thousands of fight and nutrients. So when those animals graze, they actually absorb that fight and interest and it goes into their fat and their tissue.

1:53:42And so you actually get it in almost as much or even more than you can get implants because we ignore that. But meat like Stefan Van Blie, who was a researcher, initially out of Dukes, not like Utah State, showed that meat has something like 50 ,000 unique compounds. It's not just amino acids and a little bit of vitamins and minerals. 50 ,000 unique compounds and many of them are fightin' nutrients. So it's pretty amazing. So because like a bear can need a hell of a lot more than I can. Right, yeah. Health -perwending photo nutrients are higher in grass -fed meat and milk. But you don't necessarily gravitate towards grass -fed.

1:54:17I do both, you know? It's one of those things that, you know, I mean, I don't know what your opinion is on taste. I mean, I know you like a lot, a lot, a lot of elk. And so, I, you know, it's kind of funny because I become like the meathead guy, right? Like everybody, I get a lot of ranchers to send me stuff. They're like, here, have some free meat. Have some free meat. Yeah, I'll eat that stuff. And I get a little bit of everything. I get some really crazy, there's a one in Colorado, Colorado craft beef, which Jaco has invested in. They're part of that partnership. They get really good meat. But it's pasture raised, and then they finish it out themselves in their own facility.

1:54:52But there's one in Montana. They finish their cows out on Sprouts, which is kind of interesting. And the sprouts can grow like you don't even need a light. Oh, you need water and they grow very massively. And so this guy said in a building that's like 40 by 60, he can grow enough sprouts to finish out 400 head of cattle, which takes almost no room. It's like amazing. So it's called the Caffity Ranch Beef up in Montana. And they're trying to spread this because you think about we're talking about how do we sustainally feed people more meat because I think that's a real issue. And that's one of those things that's out there.

1:55:29So it's kind of like, because I think, you know, again, I don't think everybody needs me on Carnival But I do think we should probably eat less junk food and more meat. I mean, I think that would be a clear win for First society in general and it's like, well, how do you do that? I mean, we used to have You know, this is this goes back to the beef checkoff. I mean their job is to promote beef But since 1977 our beef consumption in the US is down like 30 40 percent and yet diseases are going up So it's like exact opposite direction and literally like half a million ranchers have gone on a business since the 70s.

1:55:59I mean, it's like, you know, we talk about 3000 ranchers or 3000 farms closing in the Netherlands, half a million have gone on a business here in the US, which is, Grace, I'm always trying to support your local rancher. You know, whatever your preference is, but you know, get these guys out there, because, I don't know, I mean, these guys are good. I mean, this like everybody else. I mean, ranchers are hardworking people. I think they're one of the backbones of this country. I mean, you know, you get people that feed you. I mean, what it was? Because he used to be back in 200 years ago, everybody had produced their own food.

1:56:27Now you got like 2 % of the population feeding all the rest of us. And I mean, you know, I mean - I had Walt Harris. Oh, Will Harris. Will Harris. Yes, Will Harris and his daughter Jenny on recently, and they explained, and I've had Will on twice. And they explained his situation where he developed this regenerative farm from what used to be an industrialized environment, how difficult it was. I'm reading his book right now. It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I've interviewed Will before. And I've interviewed all these regenerative guys, and I'm totally for that. I think it's wonderful. It's great.

1:56:59It improves the ecosystem. It's like something we need more of. It's just incentivizing the guys. Because a lot of the guys are on like more kind of a commodity beef, which he likes to call it. He doesn't like it anymore. But a lot of those guys like, I just, I'm worried I'm gonna go out of business if I try this because maybe they're up in North Dakota or it's snow all the time. And we're not gonna get the alpha off and hate, a feed, the stuff, and it's just, it's kind of, you know, it's just what you have to do. He's lucky, he's in Georgia. Well, he's in a good place. He's like, I've got perfect land for this, and not everybody has that.

1:57:31But he's also recreating nature in a detained environment, which is really what we should all be striving for. What we want is these animals to exist in a way that's ethical, humane, and that they exist in a way that they've existed for hundreds of thousands of years. And that's how they're healthy. And if you eat that, you will be healthier. There's no pesticides, herbicides, no bullshit involved. Well, that's the only thing, because you've heard of glyphosate. They spray it on everything. They've been sprayed on everything since, I don't know, the 1980s or something like that, not showing up in your urine.

1:58:04And it's, most of it accumulates in like grains and legumes and stuff like that's where it's most densely founts. If you want to avoid that stuff, don't eat that stuff. Eat more of a meat base, because mammals basically break it down it doesn't really show up and they're meeting their milk very much. It's very limited, but it's you know, it's like these guys that are due are generative, they don't they don't need any herbicides, they don't need any pesticides, they get rid of all that stuff, saves them money in the long run, but it's it's like like they said you got to go through the threat of going out of business for five years or six years before you can make it.

1:58:38Well it took him like 20 years to convert that farm, which is an amazing task that he achieved and but because of that it's like a shining light To all these people I mean we should subsidize that stuff is what we should do instead of subsidizing all these wheat and grain and corn commodities Which go into you know potato chips and garbage? Yeah, well that's just crazy about you know We demonize Russia, but Putin banned GMO foods. What do you see what they did in Italy? Maloney said no no lab -grown meat because that's another thing you know that's because you know the plant like people have Caught onto the beyond burgers and in Possible meat.

1:59:12It's just all ultra -process garbage and nobody, and the people are speaking with their wallet, which is, when I look at all the corporate sort of malfeasance and the corporate influence, the corporations own the politicians, what did you, you gotta know that? I mean, they're paying the politicians in one way or another. And it's like, what can I do as a, what can I do as a lone individual? And it's like, all you can do really is vote with your pocketbook. And just every time you go to the store and you buy that bullshit, that crappy food, you're putting more money in their pockets. and they have more power of you.

1:59:45And so I'm just like, you gotta turn it around. So I'm pretty good. In a perfect world, they would invest all their money into regenerative farming. And they would change, if people change their diet and they realize, look, the only thing people are buying is grass -fed meat and organic vegetables, all from regenerative organic farms. If that really became something that was sustainable, they would try to pursue that. Yeah, no, I think the market will dictate where things go. and it's just convincing the market that hey look, you know, if you want to continue to be sad and depressed and miserable, keep doing what you're doing, but you gotta change it, you know, and you gotta make a big change, and that's what, you know, I mean, we'll be told not to do it.

2:00:26It's like that USDA study, hey 91 % processed food diet, that's a okay, keep eating this way. So crazy. It is crazy. But it's what makes that sort of propaganda so insidious, is like you're literally holding back people from gaining health and gaining control of their health. And the evidence is clear in terms of if you just look at what people you still look like and what they look like now. Something's wrong, something's really wrong and all that comes from diet. Yeah, 100%. Centenary lifestyle and diet. Well, that's, but I mean, I will say this and because I mean, I'm sure you agree that what distinguishes healthy people that age in a very healthy matter, I mean diet is important and I'm a huge proponent, but physical activity and exercise is important.

2:01:08It's such a huge, I mean, I don't care what diet you are. You need to be taking care of your health. And I think, you know, because I hear it all the time, well, you're in your 50s, you need to slow down. You need to, you know, you need not be doing that stuff because you're gonna get hurt and it's time to get down. But I mean, I've heard that since I've been 20 or 30. Oh, you're 30, you gotta slow down. Yeah, I think once you lose capacity, like, you know, if you say like, my 100 % was here, and then you say, I'm not gonna do 100 % anymore, I'm just gonna do 90 % well, that 90 % is now your 100%.

2:01:36Yeah. And then you keep doing it and all of a sudden, and it's like walking down the street is now a chore. You know, and you see so many people, it's like, I had a guy talking to me about, I thought it was a goodness, got a name, and he said, Dr. Hutt, but I interviewed one time. He said, you know, what happens is over life, you have this sort of spectrum of things you can do. This is me laying in bed, and this is me doing back flips, right? And then it gets smaller and smaller. And eventually you're like, all I can do is walk around the house, and then I can do the laying bed, and then you're dead.

2:02:03So you need to keep this as broad as possible. And that's why I say when people say you need to slow down I'm like bullshit man I'm gonna you know you gotta be trained you gotta train smart you don't get hurt But you need to push yourself also if anybody watches your workouts Clearly you don't need to slow down because you're doing some pretty extraordinary stuff and you're deep into your fifties Yeah, it's like it when the same thing right yeah, and we were kids We were told that when you get into your fifties. It's over You know it's if you've ever seen the those images where they show the archie bunker and Judy Falker, is it?

2:02:35When they're like, they're like 38, I'm like, should they have, Fred look like? Fred was like 48, and he was like, it's amazing. It's crazy. That big belly gray hair, I can't believe that stuff. Yeah, they weren't healthy. They didn't take care of themselves. That's amazing. They didn't work out. But if you look at some people today like yourself, and it's like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, had a time in human history where we've experienced people that are pushing it that way and still training hard into the late years.

2:03:07And I've seen people like in their 90s. I saw a guy who's 91 years old, he's dead lifting 405 for a triple at 90. And he only weighs like 148. That's incredible. It's like where did this guy come from? So it's like what is going to be possible? And you know, like I said, I don't know. I always, the longevity stuff, I was like, I don't know. I mean, I don't think anybody really really knows. I think you're just speculating. I mean, my thing is like, let's get healthy today. Let's stop being sick and then just keep doing that. And then if you live extra long, great, but you know, because a lot of people say, well, if you eat a carnivore diet, you're gonna die of a heart attack at 60.

2:03:42I'm like, I don't know that that's true. I mean, maybe I will, but I don't think that's, I don't think we have enough data to support that. What I can't say is like, if you're sick, you're diabetic, you're fat, you're high blood pressure, I can fix that by diet. Let's just do that. And I think we would just focus on that. Instead of protecting people from cancer when they're 90, it's just like you don't even know. The evidence is so bad on that stuff. Well, what we know, what you can do for what you are right now, where you are right now, that if you change your diet and you eat healthier foods and you exercise, you'll feel better, you'll be better.

2:04:17That's a fact. Yeah, clear. Whether or not you're looking at, like, look, clearly these people that are eating off the Twinkie tree, they're not worried about being 150 years old either. Like that's this is nonsense and that's a bullshit argument like you're gonna get of a heart attack You're gonna die young and what you're sedentary lifestyle eating fucking Oreos. You're gonna be okay I mean there's some people to say we've only got a limited number of heartbeats and I don't want to you if you heard that I'm like what you gotta be crazy, but that's based on who and what like based on what says who that doesn't make any sense It doesn't make any sense Do we have a number of calf contractions that you're allowed to have?

2:04:55Your heart is a muscle. Like who says? If your heart is healthier because your whole body is healthier and you're more metabolically healthy, I would imagine that everything is healthier. You're brain. People that are fit and older, their brains work better. Everything works better. It's just good. Let me. Hey, Jamie, there's a picture of a galop blonde hair. Do you see that one? I just want to show this galop because it's quite interesting because people are asking Where's the people that have been doing carnival for a while? So this is there's a rancher her name is Maggie. I can't remember. Maybe a Maggie Widerson She's up in Alberta, Canada.

2:05:25She's been doing suppose we're carnival diets since she's like 15 She's now 82 and if you can find a picture she just looks like that's her she's 82 That's insane and she's bust in her ass working on a ranch every day She's learning Spanish because she's getting tired how the Canadian government screw in a ranch Or she wants to move down to Bolivia and start a new ranch in Bolivia. She's 82 You started a new ranch in Bolivia, didn't you? Yeah, that's amazing. That's a current picture. Now, for a new mind, I went to go visit her and looked at her birth certificate and her driver's verified she, and that's literally what she looks like in 82.

2:05:56So it's like, pretty cool. Well, that's 82 years of no bullshit in your body on being physically active. Yeah, it can do that for you. So we'll see what happens. You know, like I said, if the vegans are right, you and I are dropping dead of a heart attack in six months. And you're gonna drop dead too. Listen, that's the fun on this. So I had a, you know, I was talking about baiting into vegans. I used to not do it because of such a waste. I find I was a waste of time, but now I'm kind of humorous. Just because I don't know, I guess I'm bored. But listen, if you can get a result, like the guy with a cannolo oil line, that's amazing entertainment.

2:06:25It was, I thought it was, it didn't, I didn't learn anything except how crazy these people are. But I had a guy that I was like, you know, he's like, well, you're gonna get cancer, heart disease. And I said, hey, well, what do you think vegans are dying of, right? What do you think they die of? And he goes, well, I don't know, skiing accidents. And I was like, that's bullshit, man. They're all dying skiing so they didn't ski they'd live forever. Right right so I go that's so I looked it up And I looked I looked up studies have actually had endpoints of death on vegans and number one cause of death There's heart disease and cancer.

2:06:55It's like you guys have the same thing everybody else So I get it all those years of suffering and farting and Pretending you know versus like for what you dropped it anyway Well another part of the problem is they've become attached to an ideology that's very difficult for them to escape And when they do try to escape that ideology, they get attacked. Oh, it's amazing. It's by their people. Oh my God. There was this one vegan influencer who ate a piece of salmon and just felt amazing. I believe so. And then they started fucking attacking her and she was crying. But immediately started feeling better because she's giving her body what she needs.

2:07:32How many of these people are suffering? And how many of you think of the vitriol that comes from the vegan community and so much anger and so much hate and just horrible things they say about people. How much of that is based on hurt people, hurt people, right? How much of that is based on them being in pain and them being in agony, whether it's mental anguish because their brain's not functioning well, their body's not fine, they're overwhelmed with inflammation, their guts are filled with fiber. Well, I mean, if you imagine, if you literally believe the ideology really hard, you literally hate almost all of humanity.

2:08:07It's like every 99 out of 100 people, you see you like, I hate you because you're a murderer. It's like, how do you, you even live in that society where you literally hate every human being around you? I mean, it's got to be crazy. It's not good for you. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there was a guy in that movie Game Changers, you know, that he can sports film. And he was, he was, he was gonna be in the movie. They had, they had film ball of stuff. His name was Team Chief. He was like an obstacle course. Like, you know, those obstacle race guys, right? Ninja guy American Ninja type thing and he was like the vegan prince like they loved him and then he said He got sick and he was like I couldn't do it anymore and they like literally threw him out of the movie Well, there's so many stories of that.

2:08:48Yeah, that's what's fascinating There's so many stories of people who were vegan that had to abandon it including a lot of celebrities that come out Yeah, and when they do that they get attacked they get attacked viciously instead of people going interesting That's an interesting point of data instead of saying it that way you're going against an ideology. It's not about facts. It's not about the reality of the science or what we know about nutrition in the human body. It's about being attached to this ideology that makes you superior morally to the people that are around you. Yeah, I always laugh when they say, I'm going to eat this guilt -free whatever salad.

2:09:21I'm like, no, there's a lot of things that die to get you that salad. But they're just like, oh, that doesn't count. Or it's kind of crazy. But the whole point is out there are some, I mean, there literally are people that do reasonably well in a vegan diet. I mean, you probably see, I don't know, I'm sure you know, I'm, they tell about Nate Diaz, you know, he's a USF. He's not vegan. That's what I heard. He's fish and stuff like that. But they always point to Nate Diaz. They point to him as the guy like Novak Jokovic, who also is not vegan, but they keep pointing to him. It's just kind of like, as he also eats fish and stuff like that.

2:09:51How about when they put athletes on vegan diets, they get these castravid injuries? Yeah. Yeah. Because Cam Newton was the prototype for that. I mean, there's a bunch of those guys because you're not getting a lot of the things that you need. You're not getting creatine You don't unless you're supplementing you're not getting Taurine carnison carnitine. I mean all these things that are either Conditionally beneficial are absolutely needed and and you just not seeing that so we see that like there was a Depression study Stanford University 2018 People with major depressive disorders have low levels of carnitine or do you get carnitine from you pretty much only get it from animal products And so it's just like it's like your brain turns back on these people say like the brain reset when yeah, I got the right food Yeah, well listen man I'm glad you're out there preaching the gospel and Glad you're still alive And everything's fine and I think what you're doing is important because I think People need to understand that we've been kind of hoodwinked in more ways than one and that there's a you can kind of follow the chain of evidence and you could figure out how this happened and why this happened.

2:10:59And it's not to preserve your health. It's not evidence -based. And when you look at the real evidence that supports vegan diets and supports that meat is bad for, you find out that that's a bunch of chicaneery too. There's a lot of bullshit going on there. So I'm glad you're out there, Sean. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. to talk on this joke. I think, like I said, it's literally, it's helping people. And I think anything that helps people, we should be in favor of. And like I said, I think when, because we're seeing people are like saying, we need to shut down meat.

2:11:28We can't eat it anymore. And I think that's a really, it's going to have some really bad, unattended consequences. I agree. So tell everybody where they can find your content and your social media. Yeah. So, uh, uh, first thing company, Rivera .com, ReVee, ERO, if you want to, you know, get your health taken care of all 50 states. I'm on social media, Instagram, Sean, SHHWN, Baker, BAKER, BAKER, AR, 1967 on Twitter, I'm at S Baker, MD. I've got a YouTube channel, Sean Baker MD, and that's mostly where I'll be. All right, brother, thanks for being here. Appreciate you. All right, bye. Bye, everybody.

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