#2070 - Evan Hafer

31:56It's bold and sophisticated yet incredibly smooth Finishing long and deep. It's authentically American Representing uncompromising quality for the rugged the powerful and the passionate tap the banner to learn more or visit Buffalo Trace distillery dot com that's buffalo trace distillery dot com Distilled aged and bottled by buffalo trace distillery 90 proof franklin county can tucky buffalo trace American family owned independent and perfectly untamed We'll say that the highly motivated people that are kind of that will live their life with virtue and courage and pursue all of what I would say is Western philosophic.

32:44Yeah, like principles I think we can we collectively can be trusted with that responsibility But then you have that other piece that's saying I don't want to have anything to do with that. I'd rather have a safe secure Existence without any accountability or responsibility. Yeah, I 100 % agree. That's why I and this isn't like It's not meant to be like over complimentary, but I think that's so This show and other people like you and Jaco and cam and Jordan whomever all said it's out kind of out there in the ecosystem You guys are are putting really good information out into the world saying like I was I was uh to reference Your podcast with Lex that you did maybe like a year ago He was asking you straight up advice like how do you how do you make yourself better?

33:37How do you be a better person? You're answering saying hey, this is what worked for me Well, you're obviously successful. You should be propagating that out into the into the country into the world Having men and women everybody else saying fuck yeah, I'm gonna take more accountability I'm gonna be more responsible for my life I'm gonna live radically free because that's fucking cool That is What people who live in cities don't like If you're living in a city you're in an apartment building and you're an urbanist You're yourself in there. So you have a scarf and you're going to get your latte and you know Maybe you're getting an uber or you're hopping in the subway Like what you like is infrastructure.

34:19Yeah, you know, you like everything to be set up for you Oh, we have dinner at the Italian restaurant at 730 great you go over there You eat food that someone else prepared you get a glass of wine that someone else grew the grapes You're not doing shit other than consuming and this is what you enjoy We're gonna go to the play. We're gonna go to the opera. We're gonna go see a film up in a hymer's out We're gonna go home. Oh, this person is the fucking comedy club. Let's go see that. Yeah, let's go You know, let's constantly consume and those people like people say no You need to get in shape and you need to start eating well like oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

34:58I'm not interested in this At all I want someone to wipe my ass. I have a I have a seat on the toilet that sprays water up my ass So I barely have to wipe anymore. It just hoses my ass down. I press buttons I go to sleep. I take an ambient. I go to sleep. I wake up in the morning. I go to Starbucks. Yeah, it's it's it's Almost a prescription for what I would say is if you want to live within the the safety and in the sanctuary of an urban environment Where you've got everything mapped out to you so you've been indoctrinated under a system of like bells and whistles Yeah, it's nice conformity means everything in in academia Which is don't don't don't don't stick out you know like Beyond time be best in class make sure that you're you're hitting all your bells and whistles When you move directly into that urban area where you're also working from nine to five or whomever You know or whatever it's like 60 70 hours a week but everything is laid out.

35:58It's very lockstep conformity all the way through Dude, I have zero interest in doing that Like that sounds like a prison to me to be honest with you That sounds like a fucking prison Well, that's what's fascinating is that these people that we're talking about that live in these urban environments that Have jobs like that and are not interested in physical health and are going to restaurants and doing all the things Those people are the most fucked up Yeah, they have the most Health problems. They have the most mental health problems. I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing But I know a lot of people that live in urban cities that are on SSRI's right I know a lot of them.

36:41I would like you know like there's that 15 % of the people that have 85 or below I do What percentage of the people that live in cities that live like that are on anti -depressants or some sort of psychoactive medication? I Read that too. I think it's I think it's about the same. I think it's almost equal There's another like 10 % of people out there So when you think about the numbers depending on how much overlap there is there's 50 million people between You know below 85 and then that are what you would say is clinically depressed indoor on some type of psychological drug, right? So that's like 15 % as well.

37:19Yeah. Yeah. I think it's almost equal Yeah, I wonder how much of those are confined to urban areas It's got to be higher. I think it's a it's almost a math thing. It's called standard deviation So there's like it was going to be a certain number that are you know 50 % this way 15 % that way You know, what's interesting with depression is that no one takes into account how well you're doing Like don't you feel better when you're doing well Like when you have a good relationship. You got a good group of friends You got to why don't we think of that as medicine? I I Think about it like I've had a lot of time over the last I would say a couple of years to try to like turn the bolts on this to figure out what it is That's like makes me happy or creates more endurance or energy or whatever it might be and There's this Utimonia have you ever heard of this?

38:09No, it's principle. It's like this old Greek term that they would use to define happiness and fulfillment through Hard work and accomplishing your goals and and objectives. So it's essentially being happy in establishing Very difficult criteria for yourself and then adhering to it and it's it's older than the Stoics and I realized I was like oh that's that's kind of what makes me tick I love Just grinding myself in a moon dust like we're talking earlier I was like I'm running this whole machine in the red all the time right it's like I'm 5 7 160 pounds. So it's like I've got to work to put out physical energy To even keep up you know in a special operations team or Or whatever previous profession that I've had I've got to push this thing to the red carry weight To carry enough energy that I can accomplish a task and then when you're floating just above maybe an average IQ You also have to run this thing in the red.

39:09There's no Like plus or minus 5 % dude like I have to get in and grind myself in a moon dust every day And I got to ring the sponge out of it if I don't Well, I'm gonna be just average because I'm average. Yeah That's a thing like But you you found ways To use the way you think about things and and figure out a path in life I think the difference between a guy like you and these people we're talking about is some people are just looking for a place to plug in And I think that's where the despair comes from I think that the spare comes from not having a real purpose Like not everything you really built or anything that you really feel proud of or anything that you really feel like Like your company like black rifle is Creative as well as like really great coffee and cool people and it's all veteran owned it's like something to be proud of It's like a real thing like you go there people are smiling.

40:14It feels good You've created this amazing business like that's But that's a very different feeling than someone who's in some corporate structure and you know There's fucking all these weird rules and laws and and social things you have to do in the office in order to get ahead Right, and you have to you know, you have to learn how to play golf. Yeah, even if you don't like even if you don't want to play You want to play golf you want to do deals you got to play golf you got to hit the links on the weekend and like suck up to some other guy that you know pleated front docker wearing like back slapping guy that you're like ah man like Maybe he's a cocksucker.

40:53Yeah, maybe he's a complete dick. Yeah, maybe he's gonna be a dick And also if he's a dick and he's good at golf and you suck a golf. Oh my god You're never gonna win any of these fucking Conversations when it comes to business where you already really just want to do something else like that I got to go play golf every weekend folks songs Yeah, I want to play a acoustic guitar or be it work I used to like have that conversation with guys of the agency because there are people that just They weren't into the mission They To your point. It's like my purpose my mission and kind of the way that I've laid things out Was I've always had to work for something bigger than just myself like I can't Just be really selfish.

41:38It doesn't even compute my DNA I have to look at something from a bigger purpose look at the mission the goals and objectives be somewhat altruistic and then just fucking dive in Then you can be You can be selfless in some of what you're doing and you can kind of Behave as a cog in the wheel, which I think is actually a A really important piece to development is How many people have ever worked is just a number Just a number in a machine like right you don't feel valuable. No, no, you don't And creating value with a team with a bigger purpose. I think That's what Guys in the military and guys from my background As they transition out they go through What I would say is is an existential crisis because Their life has meaning their essence is clearly defined.

42:32They're They're they're striving to accomplish a big goal and objective that takes complete intellectual and physical capitulation and When they get out they're like now we have all this freedom 360 degrees Well, you have to lay your own life out You have to redefine your purpose and then drive in as deep as you can. I think they go through A significant existential crisis. Well, that happens to guys that get out of prison too. Yeah Guys that get out of prison a lot of them want to get arrested go back because they're more comfortable in jail Right, they don't like the freedom. They don't like this new life.

43:10All their friends are still locked up Their social connections are locked about in the street. They're a pariah. They're a next con You know and it some of those things are like transitioning into You know the professional environment especially from from the team room Like I was in a team room my entire life and I mean you know me You know better than most which is not politically correct I couldn't build an ecosystem nor could I have a I could have ever survived in the corporate environment because My mind doesn't work like that like I I have the diplomacy of a sledgehammer sometimes and it's not It's least there's a place for a mind like yours.

43:49Yeah, the thing is when you're a kid. They tell you there's not right When I was a kid man, I was fucking absolutely convinced I was a loser really? Yeah Yeah, I fought with fuck up in school big fuck up in school You know always getting kicked out of classes for making fun of things Never had any work ethic at all the only time I worked is when I like if I needed money to buy a car or something like that I'd get a job and I'd do that But I was in hell thinking like imagine having to do this for life like all the I had a bunch of my dad was an architect So I had a bunch of construction jobs growing up and Those fucking taught me that I don't want to do that right like I had a whole summer I worked my friend Jimmy Lawless and we I carried cement bags and pressure -treated lumber all summer Was like I only worked there for like a couple months.

44:38I'm saying all summer. I don't even might not have been a couple months Might have been a couple weeks I was 19 and I remember really clearly going I am never Going to be able to do this because I would leave at the end of the day. I was toast. I was done man I tried I'd go to the gym to work out. I had nothing. I was just so tired There was nothing I realized like okay. I can't do this. I don't I admire people who can do it You can just show up for work every day. I feel like I'm in hell right? I got to find a thing But I got lucky that there's things and you got lucky that there's things but in school They don't tell you that there's things.

45:11They don't say hey Joe. I see how you can't pay attention to class You're always cracking jokes like maybe you should be a comedian like no Never they're like you're gonna fail. Yeah, you're a fucking loser You're a loser and until I started being good at stuff I didn't realize that I could that I maybe I wasn't a loser like still yeah Just when I started doing martial arts. That was the first time I was like oh I could fucking apply myself to things. I could actually be really good at stuff It's just a matter of I didn't find a thing that was interesting to me until this Yeah, it's very similar like you and I had very very similar backgrounds like my dad was he was a logger So he was up at three four o 'clock in the morning every day like I saw this do just work his entire life and He was so committed and so disciplined like I never saw my dad in ebreated I always saw him with a lunch box.

46:04He'll be worked in the woods just my entire life but I Wasn't good at shit like it which is also good like you know, I like to You know fuck around with my buddies and I like to do interesting things I guess for that like try to jump motorcycles or whatever kind of random shit you'd come up with but You know is Is I got into the military? I was like oh, I'm good at this like I'm really good at this for some reason Yeah, I can run fast. I can shoot well um You know, I can put together semi coherent sentences. So Shit, I can be good at this and this is something I can And you know to steal the phrase accelerate your life or whatever I can accelerate my life and it was fun, dude I could jump out of planes and Learned different languages and spend most of my life out of the country uh, but it was the same kind of uh Evolution it's like I found this thing that I was really good at I loved it and I could just go chips in on it and it built layers of confidence and allowed me to To just build the confidence to say well, you know what if I was good at this I could probably apply this to other things in life.

47:19Yeah And it just compounds like way I built black rifle and why I did was like my mission statement when I transitioned out was To transition out a government service and live a happy and fulfilling life That was it It didn't have anything to do with you know, money or goals or any of those things It was how do I define happiness? How do I define fulfillment? And then as we grew the company after about the first year It became really evident that I could Not only do something because I had this beautiful family that I loved like my kids and my wife and they're giving me so much power and endurance What if I built this really cool company where you could leave the family that you love And go to work in a company that you love And then it would become a flywheel who just get faster and faster and faster in your life and create more happiness more fulfillment What if I could scale that and give that to other people And So far, I mean, it's fucking work I feel like I got I feel so happy and you know, I feel so um Like I'm so grateful like I'm just so grateful for the things that I've I've been able to do over the last 10 years And you know, I I tell this to people all the time or go to my refrigerator, pull milk out for my kids There's not a morning or a day that doesn't go by where I don't think my customers For they get they've given me this opportunity right they've given me this opportunity to make crazy our Amazing coffee and build this culture of people that I love Fuck that that is cool, man, and it's very cool.

49:01It's it's them. They did it. They did it for me I I just kind of like have facilitated it But it was the perfect thing for you to plug into yeah and to apply your passion into a new direction What's interesting to about black rifle and by the way, thank you for the cup. Yeah, man Evan from me a mug. This is how thoughtful he is It's white on the inside so I could see how dark the coffee is yeah, that's a real coffee nerd folks Yeah, it's built perfectly from In I won't like everybody will gloss over and start like tuning out, but it's one to 16 ratio brew method 30 grams of coffee in and 480 grams yielded, but then you can see it How dark is it how light is it you can kind of I built it for the perfect mug based on how many fingers can you get in Through the handle.

49:49What's the weight of it? I also build things that if you have to hit somebody in the fucking face with it They're It's got some half. Yeah, yeah, these little bitches will break easy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah This got a lot more half to it. It's got a heavy heavy bottom in it So there's a little bit of thought the women's Get your hand around it. This is what that's how I would do it. I wouldn't hold on the hand I'll not trust in this handle. Yeah, I put my fingers through the handle I'm looking at this end right here right being the most durable spot to hit somebody with it. It's got a good I'm looking at yeah, you know, I hit him with up there.

50:23Yeah, you get him with this This is what I'm looking at a nice angle See yeah, yeah, this is a good three finger handle, too. It's just perfect like fat fingers. It gets right in there I got a pinky in the bottom to brace. I like it. See yeah, yeah There's a little bit of thought went into it. Yeah, yeah, the coffee thought is nuts man When I went to your place and I saw your lab. I was like this is so preposterous. It is you are such a nerd The way you measure the exact amount of coffee and your experimenting with different temperatures by like two and three degrees Yeah, it's so crazy I but you can tell when you make coffee in coffee camp when in hunting camp rather like it was the most spoiled time ever Like we get like the most insane coffee and it was hilarious like we ran out of coffee filters and Someone was it Cody?

51:12I think I said oh, we can use a paper towel. You go you just turned them We were not using a fucking paper towel. Yeah, I got angry. I got angry Because he was serious. I was like you can't are you serious? No, we're not doing that like I'll go to the store I'll get I'll get filters These guys are fucking cowboys. They would throw some fucking coffee beans and throw a rock into a fucking Yeah, this is what these guys are animals. Yeah, they're They're amazing guys. They're amazing guys. They're amazing hard work and dudes. I love those guys I look forward to going there every year dude. We have so much fun together too.

51:50That's such a fun week I I had so much fun this year like for for you know the people listening I guess it's like I got to watch you do like 30 stocks Yeah, it's a lot of there's a lot of stocking and blown stocks and miss shots and missed opportunities and you get winded and yeah Elkunding is amazing dude That it's amazing that bull That you killed A pair of fours like that thing was so cool to watch because I watched the entire thing and I'll I'll recite it from my position because I couldn't really see you Very well because you'd moved off and I'm looking at him from across I was on one spur you were on the other and there's little valley in between us, but we were probably I don't know a thousand yards away and I'm watching you through my binos Trying to figure out what you're doing because I could see the bull and then He got up and I couldn't tell if you were winded or not, but then all I heard Like I saw him tear ass up the hill and then tumble down.

52:57He was dead in five seconds really worked Three and a half five seconds the most and I heard it from across the canyon You yelled so loud We were and we started laughing good you like And it echoed all the way down through the canyon. I was like well, hold down. Let's go. Yeah, I give a brick flare Yeah, I give a giant woo Yeah, they're the fucking most interesting animal to me. I mean, I've deer hunted I've bear hunted of 100 axis deer. I've found it a lot of different animals But elk to me are like the most majestic. They're the coolest looking. Yeah, they're they're fucking smart as shit when they smell you Their senses are so good They're they're always tuned in to what the fuck is going on and the only time you catch them slipping is when they're hungry They're tired or they want to fuck yeah, and we caught him when he was tired It's not to take a nap.

53:54I was like okay, but you just fucked up and I creeped in while my socks on I creeped in for a half an hour. I was moving so slow because his head was kind of turned sideways And I could never tell if he was looking at me So I had to make no movement. I'll just inch in towards that motherfucker and every time you turn away I get a copulous those steps and I have to stop and then I'd have to wonder I wonder if he remembers what he saw when he turned before and if that fucking tree is closer I wonder wonder if he's gonna perk up It's so exciting your fucking heart's pounding And I'm breathe. I'm doing all these breathing exercises to slow my heart rate down It's so much fun man.

54:37It's so much fun And I'm always whenever it gets dark around that spot. I'm always wondering about cats. Yeah There's so many cats there. I'm always wondering. What if there's an old one who can't really catch deer anymore? He's like that thing looks good. That thing looks slow as fuck Yeah, it's that words and camouflage makes you look maybe like caramel or something Smoker coffee and sugar Jacked up on RTDs and like Yeah, like I worry about cats. You do? Yeah, but once I saw one in Utah I was with my friend Colton and we were maybe 30 yards away He stops the truck and he goes look at that cat He goes look at that fucking lion under the tree And I look and I see his eyes glowing I'm like, oh my god He's huge and then I get the binos out So I'm inside the truck and I'm looking in his fucking face like like right and it was terrifying He was so big Yeah, these massive forearms dude Just jacked forearms and his big old pumpkin head.

55:41I mean, it was a big male cat And I was like I've never seen one that big. I'd seen little ones before I saw like a one that looked like it was about like 60 pounds and the other one was pretty much the same size There's only two cats I've ever seen before and I saw them like very briefly This motherfucker was just sitting there under a tree at dusk with the big fucking head man And I it's just the feeling of helplessness was overwhelming That I look if that thing decided to jump me. It's over. You're done. There's not a thing you're gonna be able to do It's so much stronger. It's a gigantic house cat.

56:16Yeah Do you guys have cats? Not anymore. No, but I've had I've had cats many years and cats Kill so much to do they kill so much. It's always a debate like My wife and I've gone back and forth. I'm like do we get a cat? Do we not get a cat? And there there's some they carry some parasite. I guess I was most. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Mostly the wild cats get it. Is that what it is? It's from like wild. It's from rats. Oh Okay, it's okay. It's a it is a wild parasite And there's a guy named Robert Sapolsky out of uh, is that a Stanford? I think he's out of Stanford uh, psychologist brilliant guy Um, he's done a lot of work on toxoplasmosis and toxoplasmosis is the reason why they tell people not to touch women's Women that are pregnant not to touch their cats litter box Because they can really fuck the kid up.

57:10Huh, and it can really fuck you up too But what it does with people is wild what it does with people is it makes them more reckless and a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims Have test positive for toxoplasmosis Some countries at one point in time France was as high as 50 % of the population was infected by it What? Yeah, it is a wild parasite that changes the way you think And one of the things it does is it's it's parasites are so fascinating Because they literally can hijack another body and get it to do different things So they get inside a rat the rat gets infected with toxoplasmosis and it rewires the rat sexual reward system The rat now becomes sexually aroused by the smell of cat urine It also completely removes any fear that the rat would have of cats So that the rat goes towards the cat the cat kills the rat needs the rat the only way the parasite can reproduce is inside the cat's gut So the cat which is seemingly unaffected by this parasite is just making it inside of its body And then when it gets out it affects all the creatures around it.

58:20It probably does affect cats too But cats are so crazy anyway. How would you know just make some slightly crazier but with people it makes them wilder Make some more reckless. Is that why you don't have cats? No, I probably have it. I probably have talks though I've had feral cats. I had a feral cat for a while. He was nuts He was so nuts that I when I had to fix him He was like I guess he's like when I got him a friend of mine Had these cats under her apartment and her and her boyfriend captured these cats these little kittens And then she goes you want you want a kitten and I had a cat already And like I'll get my cat a friend and so I get this fucking cat And the the moment I see it is a tiny little thing Who's tiny things hissing at you like it's a demon and I pick it up and it instantly starts purring Purring loud like you've knit like a foster kid who's finally been hugged, you know what I mean just purring like And I was like oh, it's poor little dude So to get him accustomed to me I had to stay in one of the bedrooms in this house that I was renting just with him So I brought some books in there I brought his litter box and I brought cat food and I just hung out with this fucking cat for like days in this room And I had to do it that way because every time I would leave when I'd come back in he would literally climb the walls Just hissing and jumping and clawing at the drapes It was wild and then I would corner him and I'd touch him and he would start purring it and then I pick him up And I said patting him and then I just sit there like reading a book and I did it for days to get this cat comfortable with me It worked yeah, I was the only one he was comfortable with though anybody else came over that you could not pick him up You try to pick him up he will fuck you up like you'd bite you he'd claw at you, but with me he was cool It was weird, but he was only cool like I had to like slowly approach him His name is Jack Dempsey because Jack Dempsey was a hobo So I thought it was a good name for yeah, yeah So I'd pat him and then he'd immediately start purring then I could pick him up and he's like you're the only one I'm like it's okay as long as it's with me you and me buddy.

1:00:28We're good. So I had to get him fixed and I had he must have known that my intentions were different You know then yeah, and so he wouldn't let me pick him up And I had to get him into a laundry hamper. There was only what I was gonna be able to carry him So I cornered him in the bathroom and he's hissing He's jumping from the tub to the sink and I might do calm the fuck down It's just me calm down So then I got a blanket and I throw the blanket over him and I wrestle him and I stuff him into this fucking Bamper and I bring him to this guy dr. Craig who was an amazing guy You want him dying later in a car accident was one of the saddest fucking things.

1:01:05He was the coolest bed ever He was the coolest and I brought him in and I go hey man. I don't even know if you could do this But he's spraying in my house right he needs to get fixed But he's he's wild and he's like how wild? I go look how I have him I got him an hamper So they had to hold this cat down somehow or another and and nested ties him put him out And then they had to fix him and then brought him back and he was cool He's fine. Yeah, he was cool with me Yeah, he was always cool with me like we got over whatever that was that I fucking kidnapped him We got over it and he would let me pick him up again But only me like no my friends no one even people there were over the house all the time no one could pet him That's actually kind of cool.

1:01:49Yeah, I can I probably got a talk so from my cat if I had a guess That's one of the reasons why we we haven't had him like because I'm like yeah They they're they're ruthless little murderers. Yeah cats kill Billions of birds every year Bi in America. Yeah billions there Billions that is so nuts. What is the actual number Jamie because it's so crazy I see the number of small mammals and birds that house cats. Hey, I look it just house cats kill I look at my dogs and I'm like Due to if I leave for like 45 minutes. I don't know if you guys are gonna make it You There's just like fluffy You know, they live on the couch basically.

1:02:34They there's like no wolf left in them like So here's the number 20 20 .7 billion small mammals the journal of nature communications cats kill Between 1 .4 billion and 3 .7 billion birds and between 6 .9 billion and 20 .7 billion small mammals Such as metal voles and chipmunks. So that's 20 billion mammals and somewhere between 1 .4 billion and 3 .7 billion birds That's crazy. That's crazy They're fucking murderers like that's like mad respect there because like these things are living in our house. Oh my god This one says Between 1 .3 and 4 billion birds in between 6 .3 and 22 .3 billion mammals So it's probably going up every year because there's more cats every year Because they keep fucking and the wild ones are the you know, wild cats.

1:03:30They're fucking unbelievable murderers That's fucking wild Look at these researchers get that a single cat may kill between 100 and 200 mammals annually See I like I could have a barn cat make that be cool. Well, they will definitely keep rats away. Yeah That is I mean they have a function on farms They're great 100 % they're great. They're great to do and if you want to have a wild cat That's the place to have them they fucking keep everything away There's just a hunting lease that my friend Tyler from archery country has and we went there And this is cool fucking wild cat that hangs out there But he's like domesticated like he comes up to you and rubs up against you And like what's up little buddy and that cat just kills everything all he does is I mean he's I don't think anybody feeds him I think he just wanders around that ranch killing everything he needs to eat.

1:04:22That's that's a great It's a great life for him. He's so happy like that cat because he he loves people like he's not a He's not a wild cat in a sense that he's not Domesticated because he does come right up to you and rubs up against you and you pat him and he rubs over You can rub his belly. He's not worried about people at all. Everybody treats him really nice So he's like a sweet sweet cat, but no one's feeding him He's just a little murderer just run it around eating rats and mice and fucking birds and I've got a whole new respect for him Like reading that I had no I had no context to the billions of animals there or the small rodents and shit They're murdering every year.

1:05:01That's amazing. It is amazing, but it's also kind of crazy that they also seem content to just chill in an apartment Like cats don't seem to have a problem being in an apartment. I went out to I went out to Ryan Holidays book story yesterday Oh, and now just cruised around in there because it's not just like 20 minutes outside of town And he's got two cats cruising around in there just like hanging out in the book store hanging out in the bookstore and Like laying on boxes and running around. It's like that's fucking cool, man. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I love cats It's just like my kids are alerted to him.

1:05:36It's a real problem. Yeah. Yeah, and my wife's alerted to him too But I prefer dogs, but my dog is uh my dog is an amazing dog, but he's dumb as shit too Well, that's the goal. I just got him back from the hospital. I'm gonna send this to you Jamie So you can see these pictures. I just got him back um So we came home the other night and Marshall had uh eaten Chicken food that was outside on gravel, but he didn't bother to differentiate between the gravel and the chicken food So he ate about two pounds of gravel. Yeah, I'm not exaggerating to his pounds of it was pounds of gravel There was so much gravel that he ate That he threw up that that's a pile of gravel that he threw up That's one of seven piles of gravel show the other picture that I was saying that's my foot for reference I just sent you another one That one so that we found that oh my god.

1:06:33That's all gravel that he threw up So that's uh once he threw up like six six times in the house and then the seventh time it looks like you threw up several different times there So I took him to the emergency vet And they do an x -ray and he still has gravel in his stomach and gravel in his colon and they're not as concerned about the gravel in his colon But they were concerned about the gravel in his stomach So I had to take him to a hospital where he stayed overnight for two days and they gave him liquid therapy They put an IV to him and they monitored him and they made sure that he was okay And he eventually shit out all the gravel and they didn't have to do surgery But there was a concern that there could be an obstruction But they finally let him out today and he's fine But like That's the kind of shit you have to do if you have pets that's the eight gravel Yeah, it's the plans of gravel my my golden's name is potato And I rebranded him because His first name was Maximus And we were driving down the road one day.

1:07:32It was like this this dog needs a naming rebrand because his fucking brain is like a potato And then that was it His name is potato does he have his balls? He was a we adopted him. He was like two years old and when we got him I've got a golden doodle on a golden So they're just one's beans one's potato the other one's doctor beans I've met doctor. Yeah, doctor beans is the best. He's like he's a cool dog Yeah, he's the chillest of the chill. I I'm not like a cat hater, but I absolutely prefer dogs Unless there's a thing I have a relationship with my dog. He's like my friend. Yeah, like I come home I could talk to him.

1:08:13He listens to me. He kind of knows what I'm saying You know like there's little things that we do like you want to get the ball He just pops up like that's what I can go these these videos of me with him with the ball I've never been more excited in my life about anything. Maybe other than Elkonte Right this dog is fucking bouncing around. He's going and every day. I'm like. He's gonna be bored We could do this ball. Yeah, every day. He's weird. There's not a fucking day where he's bored He's like the balls out Holy shit, we're gonna do the ball It's like he's so simple But if if you had a guy come in and you're like you want to get the elk you want to get the elk Joe You probably be the same way you like fuck yeah, no the thing is With Elkonte the only way it's real exciting is if it's hard Yeah, that's what was so exciting about that hunt that you watch from a distance was like I had to like creep in on this fucking dude and hope the wind didn't shift I had to creep in on this dude and hope that he didn't catch me moving I had to hope that there was a window where I could draw where he wasn't gonna be let's once he gets up What if he's getting getting up facing me and I can't draw and I'm trying to figure out when do I draw There's a lot going on.

1:09:16I don't like I know I ranged him at 50 but I took two steps What is this right here is it fifth is he at 48 is he at 47 like where do I aim? There's so much going on that that's what when it's successful That's what's so exciting that it's hard to do yeah, the balls fucking he knows that ball come in every day Yeah, he's so excited Instant gratification like the ball coming did you shoot that bow yesterday? Yes, so what's the difference? It's smoother. It's better. Yeah, they made a few significant changes There's a new Hoyt bow that just came out. What are they calling it? Save you can find it the key pammer in addition These the vxm 33 did you go up are you still 80 or did you go up?

1:09:59I have two bows. I have an 80 in the 90. Okay. Yeah, so ones that are 81 or 82 and the other ones at 90 Can you feel the difference? Yeah, you feel when you pull them back. Yeah, what about accuracy? Well They're both super super accurate the thing is you just can't shoot as many arrows in a day within 90 pound bow I've figured that out a long time which is why I got an 80 I have a 60 at the studio, which is like a kid's bow It's amazing. You draw it back. It's just like so easy and I just do that use that one for practicing Form and and because it's just nice to have a bow at the studio and then there's the 80 that I shot Elon Musk's Cybertruck with Like they just happen to be laying around That thing just bounced right off of it That was that was actually one of the fucking coolest videos.

1:10:47It's pretty cool. Let me shoot his truck with a bow Is it got yeah, you want to go shoot it? Let's shoot it. Yeah, okay, so it's got a little scratch on it now forever Um the tiniest scratch too, right and that's not fucking heavy -ass arrow from an 80 pound bow And didn't do shit to that door. It's blew it up Yeah, but the new hoids they One of the things about bows for people don't know um unlike fire arms Which are essentially like if you have a like a sig p 365 That's what that gun is like if you got that gun five years ago like they made a comp version of the 365 So they put competition in the barrel.

1:11:25It just makes a little better a little easier to shoot That's that's the but they They make essentially the same kind of gun with small improvements for years and years like if you buy a five -year -old gun It's still a top -of -the -line gun, right? Bowes somehow or another they through engineering and these fucking wizards they make them Better incrementally every year. They really do like I noticed the difference between Last year's bow in the year before like the moment I shot I was like wow, this is smoother and one day Just for the fuck of it I picked up the previous year's bow and I was noticing a difference.

1:12:04I was like oh, this doesn't feel as good The the draw cycles know as good the release doesn't feel as smooth But it was better than the year before right and so last year's bow is like this is how they're gonna top this this bow is amazing It's so accurate. It's so smooth. Boom. They did it. They topped it They keep making them better. They're more efficient. They pull back smoother. They they're more dead in the hand This bow feels like nothing when it goes really nothing. It goes off. There's like zero vibration It's incredible. Whatever they're doing in terms like this is a particular design of their riser That the the vibration even if it goes through the bow on the shot almost none of it is going through your hand Right, it's incredibly like dead in the hand, which you know leads you to be more accurate There's everything is about accuracy and efficiency and smoothness and comfort have you transitioned over to the That stand clicker yet.

1:12:58Have you tried that thing? I do like that But I keep going back to the knock to it because the thing about the stand clicker is it this is nerd dog false It's a it's a it makes your draw length one quarter inch longer Because it's one quarter inch longer than the head of the knock to it, which I'm so accustomed to So all my anchor points are slightly different So with the stand the string is just like quarter inch further forward And there's something about that that maybe I have to get used to Maybe if I pull harder on the wall, I maintain the same stability or maybe if I extend my arm out a little bit more I maintain the same stability I'd have to transition and try it because I've been using Dudley's archery releases for so long like between the two smooth the hands, which I really like and then his other one the Knock to it, which is the thumb button that I really like there's I'm just so used to those I'm I'm I keep going back like I've tried you know stand clicker the stand nine clicker.

1:13:58I think it's the T I've had the hinge. I've had a bunch of these and I keep coming back. I'm the most accurate Hands down with the knock to it. I think it's just because I've got So many wraps. It feels so natural. Yeah now that I've got that thing dialed to like Super hot hot sauce. Yeah You breathe on it wrong and it goes off Be careful with those you gotta always check them because I've had it when those are really hot with harder releases Well, they'll go off just based on the amount of tension that's on the string because my my pulling so much weight Right, you know, so I always wherever I like it I crank it a little bit stiffer now Just a little bit I wanted to I could put my thumb on it and Know that the slightest amount of back pressure that motherfucker's going off just a slightest amount.

1:14:48So when I get that Then I go to my shot process. I don't have any concerns about it going off It's just everything's there. Let's fucking go and it's off and I feel like that to me is the most accurate And there's a lot of different schools a lot of people like it very heavy and what they do is they hook the button In here in the crook of their thumb and then they pinch their finger around it and they can get a good grip And then they're just all pulling with their back muscles and that makes it go off And you could do that too But that's I think that's because they want an absolute surprise shot Because they're concerned they're going to punch the trigger in that moment But I think the real things about controlling that moment the real things about staying cool in that moment And that's the hardest part of it And I think the less anxiety you have about your release the better I know that motherfucker's going off if I wanted to But I also know how to do the shot process correctly So that's my little whatever I've learned is I like it hot.

1:15:51Yeah, I like that bitch hot. Yeah That that's where I'm at because I had mine said way too tight and I would be You know essentially be pulling and pressing on the release slow Like looking at it kind of like a firearm trigger So like slow pressure build the pressure straight back like no deviation and I'd go through this entire Shot process from the rifle that I was incorporating into the bow But I'm too I'm taking too much time on the back end Really building in to my thumb release versus when you're ready And everything's dial you know you've you've you've got your ring overlap your levels good everything's set It's time to go like it's time to go.

1:16:38Yeah, you can't be building to the shot Hot sauce is like that is the way to go. Yeah, the way to go is hot sauce with a good shot process But you have to have a controlled shot process like in my mind I have like a whole process that Joel Turner process that I put myself through So it's all it's really just all about Not hammering the trigger Over anxiety. It's really all just about staying calm and letting it happen and knowing exactly what you're doing You concentrate on breathing through your nose and trying to get More oxygen as you're going through the thought process or do you just open your mouth?

1:17:14I concentrate on breathing through my nose when I'm calming myself down as I'm moving towards the shot Like when in that particular moment like my heart was pounding as I was closing the gap because I was like I think I'm gonna get this motherfucker and there was it's exciting like stalking on a bedded Elk is very exciting You know because that's You got to get I was trying I had to get within 50 yards because there was a log in front of them There was like this This down tree and the only gap was I had to go up up above him in 50 yards And when I'm doing this as I'm like creeping in there There's so much anticipation that your your heart's just fucking pounding And that's what I'm doing the breathing exercises, but once I get there I'm telling myself that I'm calm once I'm there I'm like I'm not allowing myself to get ramped up again once I'm in position So once I'm in position is just task oriented.

1:18:05It's just that I'm just I'm just completely locked in on his vitals In my shot process. That's all I'm thinking about And what I like about hot sauce is when I get to that spot and I'm a full draw There's no other things to think about. I got that pin on his vitals my bubbles leveled Everything feels good pop out Wack, you know, and then Then you couldn't have fun. They then you then you can go back to just being a normal human Right, but in that moment you gotta I for me I have to be task oriented If I'm thinking about it. I'm not thinking I hope I don't mess. I'm not none of that shit I'm not letting any of that in all I'm thinking is task.

1:18:46I'm I have a task very clear task And this is this is a mouth. There's gonna be weird decisions that I'm gonna have to make because who knows What he's gonna do when he gets up? Is he gonna go left? Is he gonna go right? But if that asshole steps behind the tree now I'm fucked again I have no shot if he just stepped and went left which they do all the time Now I'm behind that log again. I'm fucked Do you do have any anxiety or um That same type of build where your Your heart starts to increase is you're stepping on stage any stage. No. No. You have none of that No, I had that in the beginning.

1:19:22Yeah. Yeah, in the beginning. There's a full panic But no, yeah, you have zero now. No, now it's just exciting now. It's like now I I have a whole thing. I do I get myself ramped up. I jump around I stretch before I go I Gaisley have a little cocktail but the whole idea is just get loose get loose Which is the the best thing about comedy as you're doing with a bunch of other people that are doing comedy It's almost like you're all going on stocks together So we're all hanging out in the green room talking shit. We're all and we're all going on the same show So we're having fun and it's like everybody's lively right so you think you just don't want to go on stage cold You would never want to go on stage and you would never want to wake up I can alarm clock My mom get up ladies and gentlemen Evan Hey, for it It would be like it would be terrible You would it would take a while for you to warm up it'd take a while for you to get into the groove You know, so you gotta be you gotta be at entertainment groove As you step on stage.

1:20:22So there's like anticipation But there's nothing like the anxiety of Elcontainants nothing's even close It has a strange effect because I don't get hardly any anxiety ever for anything really like unless I'm in a car rack or something where it's I'm not trying to do that but the elk hunting for some reason you get in front of this animal and you get ramped up and you're in I'm always talking to myself like what the fuck it's not like the swords on this things head are gonna come after you like why are you doing this right like why is your body doing what it's doing right now so I have to have this whole process of like calm myself down breathe through my nose you know and then once I get into the shot it's it's fine building into that shot for some reason you start going I would I need to to wear a heart monitor and just watch to see how high that thing gets as you're moving in on a stock on the end because as it as you're building into that moment there's that time before you can settle into that that position where you're you're questioning like why am I so so ramped up right now I don't exactly know why so then you have to dial everything back pull everything back into perspective focus on what you're doing and then once you have a task and the task is there then it seems to just settle down and get right back into the moment yeah once you have the task once it's it's moving into position but sometimes I can stop it when I was in Utah we we were on this one ridge and on this other ridge was this big bowl that was running these cows he was the king of the mountain you could see by his body this is an old bowl and he's running these cows but he's way over right he's a like you've got to go down and all the way up he's way too far for us to end the way we're out in the open there's no way you're going to plan a stock on this bowl in the position that he's at especially with the way the thermals are all going up so we start moving down this this canyon and as we move down this canyon the bowl just randomly decides to run his cows down into the bottom and oh shit this can happen and so as that's happening I stop myself from getting ramped up completely stopped it I just recognize it was possibly coming because he's he's I see him making his way down this ridge right and he's going right to where we're going and we know that there's a pond down there so if the pond is where he's going he's going to go to get a drink and he's going to come right down through this bottom and that's where he's going to be at and I stayed calm the entire time I never let myself ramp up I never got ramped up I mean I was probably above normal heart rate but I was pretty fucking calm and then he came right out to 62 yards it was perfect he was right out there it was perfect everything went drew back whack them watch them go 30 yards and pile up and it was watching the whole thing play in the end of it then I was like that was pretty calm I stay pretty calm in that one like for whatever reason I never got rent I stopped it as it was happening yeah I would imagine the more reps you get in yeah but the next one was like a month later yeah I was super ramped up huh because I think it was the stock part of it the creeping in is like more sneaky than anything this was like an ambush right right you know there's something about like creeping in on them yeah there's the momentum right yeah you're letting that the drama build to the story okay we know what's gonna happen yeah do you think did have you talked about this with cam is cam does he still get ramped up at all he's pretty calm he's resting his resting heart rate this would be like three yeah yeah I think that certainly helps I think the amount of cardio that you do has an effect on how you can maintain your heart rate it just must it has to and if someone has like a low resting heart rate I would just imagine they'd have more control on bringing their heart down it just makes sense totally makes sense you know and he's just caught he's done it so much man yeah that he's like he just he's a killer he knows that a stay calm under pressure and there's like one yard kills that yeah oh my god those insane that was crazy dude one yard like a yard and half or whatever was from that thing was as far as you know to me and that's nuts nuts like that guy I went out and did his podcast a couple months ago we had so much fun like he's such a fantastic human like very infrequently do you just bump into people you're like that guy's salt to the earth yeah exactly like he's he's he's he's reached and then he's gone way above expectation as far as the type of person he is like he's awesome yeah he's an amazing person so this dude named Schaefer he made a rap song about cam we played it on the podcast the other day it's number eight in the hip -hop charts now seriously in the all around hip -hop charts and it was numbers notes I think it's number six now and it was number like 90 in all songs it's a rap song about a bow hunter and it's number six in the hip -hop charts yeah because that makes sense yeah just because we talked about it it's the bonkers it's a good song though guys good kids fucking talented I'll have to check it out yeah but it's just nuts I have to piss so bad hmm let's piss we'll come back all right yeah it's all random shit how is he carnivore guy oh he's great yeah he was great he's still alive crazy yeah guys eating only meat seven years fucking wild it's wild it's thriving is that are you still doing only me yeah I cheat every now and then Saturday night I cheated I had sushi but uh sushi was great but I felt like shit afterwards I felt like I ate a brick I never feel like that if I just yeah it's just right I ate a lot though I over ate I overordered and they were really nice and I felt obligated to keep eating thanks giving you don't do potatoes nothing I did this Thanksgiving but most other days like today for breakfast I had elk sausage eggs and bacon that's a normal breakfast for me yeah I don't know I I steer clear of I think I just meet vegetables and limited amount of fruit because I still I still like vegetables like that's the problem with yeah I like vegetables I like bok choy yeah yeah I like squash we had some sweet potatoes the other night they were great it's not but I've I've completely cut out everything else like I don't I don't drink hardly at all like very very limited uh everything is gone like no bread no rice that's good if you can do that you'll feel better oh yeah it sounds nuts but the way he described it you know and there's the studies that he shows there's enough evidence the point to that at least for some people that's very beneficial what to eat and live but I think really what it is is this thing of eating only meat most I think I think for sure it meets very nutritious but I think a big factor in that is that you're just cutting out all the crap right and if you just eat only meat and or organic vegetables I don't think that's bad I don't buy it I don't buy that salads are bad for you I think that's crazy what in it's good it tastes good tastes good I think what's bad is the shit they spray on them for sure glyphosate is bad seed oils are bad there's no ones out there saying seed oils industrialized seed oils are good for you they're not but olive oil is good for you so you could have olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette on a nice salad I don't think that's bad you know some heirloom tomatoes some onions some olives you know no my wife did like a whole gardening thing this year that's nice we so we had this giant garden with you know heirloom tomatoes and a bunch of stuff it was amazing it was awesome when you get an heirloom tomato right off the line slice that bad boy up a little salt on it a little balsamic vinaigrette ooh chop up some avocados oh yeah it's amazing amazing so is there anything that's worse for the environment that avocados it's like avocados and almonds I think almonds yeah they they it's like 10 gallons of water for one almond to see people like shoveling them down you're like oh there's where all uh California's water goes right there oh but I was reading this thing um recently but I think the discovery was from 2021 about a new very inexpensive method of desalionation is that I say it salionation I know you mean yeah how do you say that how's how do you say the word yeah but anyway removing salt from water so that you could use ocean water um but that that they were going to be able to have them available in like a home size version like you it's like not even that big like a suitcase size I think it is really yeah they can literally desalionate the water that comes from the ocean and you can turn into drinking water that's like a game changer game changer yeah but this is what I've always said like I used to have a bit about people wanting to go to Mars and you know like like you know America has we have a water problem I go we're right next to the fucking ocean the last thing we have in California is a water problem we have a salt problem there's so much fucking water you could it could eat us up it could literally devour the entire state with one giant waving and we could be living on the beach in Arizona like this fucking thing moves all the time there's so much water we know the water problem now salt problem yeah it's it I think the Israelis have actually figured that out they have like full full plants that they're out there doing I'm gonna send this to you Jamie because I saved uh I think I screenshot it with the intention of looking it up later to make sure it's legitimate but I'm pretty sure it is yeah how much how much stuff do you typically when when you're thinking about how many episodes have you done now 2000 2000 yeah and then a bunch of fight companions and then a bunch of MMA shows so it's more than 2000 when you think about all the different pieces of information that you've you've cataloged in your head with all these different interviews I can't imagine like the information that you've put out to just in terabytes as far as the volume is concerned now you've got interviews with Elon from Jordan from all these different people hmm that's so much information how much do you think that you've you've been able to just store in your head not so much desalination system could produce fresh water that is cheaper than tap water MIT engineers and collaborators develop a solar powered device that avoids salt clogging issues of other designs this is from September 27th the 2023 so this I want to know why I thought it was earlier than that I found this very similar titled article from a year ago okay even 2021 too okay that's probably where I saw it so engineers at MIT and in China are aiming to turn seawater to drinking water with a completely passive device that is inspired by the ocean and then powered by the sun that's fucking amazing this is where science is incredible the configuration of the device allows water to circulate and swirling eddies in a manner similar to much larger hmm what's that word thermo halene circulation of the ocean this circulation combined with the sun's heat drives water to evaporate leaving the salt behind the resulting water vapor can then be condensed and collected as pure drinkable water in the meantime the leftover salt continues to circulate through and out of the device rather than accumulating and clogging the system that's amazing and then also couldn't you just recapture the salt and use it seems like it produces about four to six liters of drinking water per hour and last several years before requiring replacement parts one of the things that Gary Breco was saying that I found shocking was that some Himalayan salt like you always think of like Himalayan salt looks super healthy he said no some of it has mercury in it because some of it the way they mind it like if they get too close to like certain areas that contain mercury it can be contaminated with mercury and he was recommending Celtic salt over Himalayan salt see if we can find an article from that see you can actually get Celtic salt yeah Celtic salt it's I don't know because you just order you gotta hope they're telling the truth right one thing I found out through this lady that was a beekeeper that came on here she goes a lot of the honey by his bullshit like when people are buying honey they're buying like corn syrup they think they're buying honey it's like some honey yeah it's like drugs they're cutting it with baby powder yeah one of my one of my really close friends that's what he does he's a beekeeper so I've been out there like helping him with the bees oh it's saying Celtic sea salt and Himalayan sea salt can expose your children to too much lead mercury and other heavy metals wow so Celtic salt can have it too so none detected so it looks like what's the best salt so Celtic gray sea salt it seems like it has a lot of merciless lead it's a lot of lead Mediterranean sea salt so the what has the least lead seems like is really sea salt of course it does right did the Israel times put this out

1:34:28there is mercury though no pink salt does not contain mercury um unrefined sea salt there is so it's controversial minerals in it but also other minerals in it but who's saying it doesn't include mercury where's it say no you said no sea salt does not it said pink salt it didn't say to sea salt it says specifically pink salt no pink salt does not contain mercury okay but some can but I that said I mean is that people that are selling it yes it's from all okay maybe from Nepal it doesn't contain mercury what they were saying I think would Gary Brecker was saying with some of this from China that contains mercury well that's not Himalayan that is it well I guess it technically I don't know you know I don't know I mean when I'm buying salt I'm not really looking into he know it's really fucking good what is that there's this veteran owned company is it firecracker firecracker dude dude that stuff slidge it so it's so legit if here's here's something that you can do which is you put a little bit of that in your coffee dude it's good it is good I better to be good in bone broth oh my gosh man that stuff like hard boiled eggs game game changer on hard boiled eggs I'll make the other day I had some people over and I was like just this is the right here firecracker farm yeah I love this guy super legit yeah and taste good too it's amazing yeah sauces come with all that like the sauce right and this this sounds like a straight up commercial it's it's not I love this guy and I love his product it's awesome so you know the dude who's running this company yeah we do him each other back and forth oh that's cool and he sent me Mike Glover and Andy a bunch of this stuff and most of the time I'm like man I think I found out about it from Eddie Gallagher oh yeah Eddie loves it too it's legit it's very legit it's hot it's shit I put something when I got it I cranked it I put it in my hand and licked it I was like whoa my daughter had some kids over and they were messing around in the kitchen and they got some of their fucking eyes oh my god oh my gosh you know it's shocking legit this stuff wicked cuts Carolina killer beef turkey it's a hot oh my god is it hot it's like hot sauce like fucking Carolina Reaper hot okay like uncomfortable hot it's like damn because you think like a hot like a big company like wicked cuts they're not gonna fuck you up they're gonna give you let's do a little hot yeah it's like if you get one of them what does it Burger King has a spicy whopper like a ghost whopper sure you know yeah you're not fucking anybody up with that whopper this stuff will fuck you up really oh it'll fuck you up you want to try please yeah no fuck you up it's legit it's good to it's moist I hope it's not like preservatives and make it moist like that right you know you always wonder because like whenever I get jerky from like the the butcher like I'll have some of my elk turned into jerky it's not the most moist no you know it's it's dry it's tough it's but it's it's good it's delicious it's good for your jaw muscles yeah like I started using one of those stupid jaw muscle things yeah yeah yeah all the time I use it while I'm doing I actually learned this from this guy that I fall on Instagram shout out to Bill Maeda he he does it while he does neck exercises I'm like oh that's legit put one in your mouth while you're doing the iron neck it's legit right mm -hmm spicy as fuck right yeah like shockingly shockingly yeah like yo you're not playing that's legit whoo like I like a hot sauce man um senior lechuga you know half face blades they do a combo with uh senior lechuga yeah and uh they put out this uh it's like it's it's it's got dried it's got dried tomatoes sundried tomatoes it's got um I forget what the hot is but it's also got truffles it's fucking so good and it's got it's got like real a senior lechuga is so so we we did three we put together three different sauces that I love that are like a collection and one of them is the half face blades version so half face blades by the way awesome company to make fucking amazing knives um and he's actually making me a set of chef knives um and a couple other knives with the antler shed from the big bowl that I killed with you two years ago okay yeah yeah so he we got a shed from that bowl and he's making knife handles yeah I got some out of my moose that I killed with Dudley a few years ago and it was a dink it was like a tiny little bowl moose but delicious nonetheless and I got a bunch of chef knives from him oh that's so cool it was so cool and the they're yeah it's ceremonial right you pull it off the rack you're cutting it to the steaks or the the moose meat or whatever it is that you're eating it's phenomenal yeah everybody loves them they're like yeah these are fucking awesome yeah that's killer yeah stuff like that's killer um what point was uh senior lechuga hot sauce that's another one like if you like it hot but taste senior lechuga will fuck you up that's the fucks you up right dude I eat a whole bag of it and I was playing pool and I had my stomach was hurting I was like oh boy I was like this is rough yeah that's no joke yeah like that is no joke yeah like yeah surprisingly for a big company to put out a beef jerky is that spicy so what's what's next what's going on like from a context of like what do you you just opened up your club what's the next big thing are you going on tour I don't know I'm thinking about starting to earn again um I think uh right now I'm just having fun and you know now that uh hunting season's over I can chill I'm getting back into jiu jitsu I want to do that soon and then um just fucking enjoying my time yeah that's it I think we're talking about this in in california did you build this here like it's part of like getting reps in just getting rep at the club yeah well I built it because there wasn't a home base here right you know when when all these comics came out with me when we we moved out and we found out that we could perform in austin and for comedians like performing is like a drug so you can't perform like LA shut everything down for so long and then the grapevine got out that like from November 2020 we were doing shows here totally responsibly indoors and they were like what they're doing comedy indoors in austin this is crazy the pack shows and put them up on Instagram people like what the fuck this is nuts and so many comics are moving here and then I realized what we missed about LA we missed about the comedy store was that was home base and that you need like comedians need a community you need like a home club you need where a bunch of comics hang out you fuel each other everybody inspires each other you know when you see these guys like Brian Simpson going up and murder and he's doing all this new material and Shane Gillis is going up and murder and Tony Hinchcliffe is going up and murder and there's like a feeling in the building like there's an excitement to the building and that's what I wanted to create here I wanted to create a real home for these comics and I also wanted to create a real development platform I think that was that's a that's a key part of comedy clubs that's missing from these places that just want to make money because you could take your Sunday and Monday and just bring in headliners and pack the house and make a lot of money or you can do open mic nights and develop talent and have these people have a real opportunity to get up at the best comedy club on earth for the very first time ever and go up and do a couple of minutes of jokes and see if you can get a laugh and you never know you might be good you might have it in you you might be that fuck up in school that they always told you you're going to be a loser but you have a funny way of saying things and you go up and maybe you have some insight that other people maybe they would be too scared to say or maybe they would notice it or maybe you'd point something out you never fucking know and the only way you get to develop talent is if you have some sort of a place for people to perform that aren't any good that are just starting out so we set aside two nights for that every Sunday and every Monday we have open mic night and we also have people that work there are aspiring comedians all the door people they all had to they all had audition with their act so the the talent coordinator Adam had to go and watch them perform and there was this giant audition for door people for people to get jobs at the club so there's this feeling in the club like everybody's coming up everybody's coming up together when everybody's doing good Esan who's just fucking amazing dude and hilarious comedian who's at the club all the time he said whenever something happens with the door people or anybody else in the club everybody always says we up we up I'm like that's amazing that's amazing something cool happens we up we up and they'll yell it like that's cool it's great so that that that that environment like that's what I wanted to create that was the goal but it's way better than I thought it could be right it's like I just I had an idea I was like let's just do the best we can and turns out you got some spot of my money you could make it really good and and have it set up where the comedians get paid really well and everybody gets taken care of and you feel really good about it and it's a fun place to work and it's a good environment for everybody that's what I wanted so that's what we put together it almost seems like the the the center of gravity from comedy is moved off the coast to Austin and I think and I'm probably not the first person to say that but you're the guy that is kind of moved the epicenter of comedy over here I gave him a spot I created a spot I mean it was it was me because I financed it and it was my idea but it was also we all need a spot and if one of us can do it and put it together I'm a good person to do that right because that's a lot of what I like to do I like to help people I like to blow people up I really do I love to have people on that I think are talented and let the world know about them and I like to I like when I talk about things whether it's you know on my Instagram or on the podcast 99 % of the time I have no affiliation with those things I just think these are good things right people should see these good things I don't think oh I should get a piece of that or I just think these are good things these good things should make more money this this business should be bigger this comedian should be more popular this musician should be known people should read this book this is these are good things just put good things out as much as you can and so that was my idea with this comedy club just get great comics pay them well and have a place where people can go where they know that they're going to be able to work on their act everyone's phones locked up so that people aren't distracted and they're not filming things and just having a good fucking time enjoying this just let's just work together and fucking all get better together and have a real home base and I have the ability to do it and so I said it's kind of my obligation to do it like the universe put me in this place where all of a sudden I moved out of LA all of a sudden I'm in Texas and all these other comedians come out here with me and I'm like who's gonna do it if I'm not doing it I have to do it so we just when did it and with a fucking grab of Ron White grabbed me by my shoulders when he got off stage the first time he got on stage he was he hadn't done state done stand up in like over a year I think it was or close to it and he grabs me by my shoulders is whatever the fuck we got to do you know you're gonna open up that club we're gonna do this like he hadn't done stand up in so long and he was so cheap fucking murdered and he went on stage and there's this giant standing ovation it was insane I wish we filmed it because it was such a beautiful moment it was his first time doing stand up forever and he was kind of genuinely like concerned about it he listened to his material he went over his notes he worked on it all fucking day and so he went up that night he was just on it just on it and so you know Ron White is like he's a good friend but he's also kind of a hero like to me like in comedy he's like he's a legend right so like Ron we have Ron White here there of course what do you want to do you want to open up I'll buy a club I like let's do it and so that's that was the you know this was the second place I bought right I told you about the first place he's owned by a cult yeah he told me to buy that place too he did yes you should buy that place owned by the cult fucking beautiful theater it was on the UK's road fucking gorgeous theater and buy a cult boy then I watched the cult document and I'm like oh fucking no what is this what happened here it's there's so much bad juju going on in that building so many bad vibes so many people lost their lives like literally lost their lives forever in that building that's fucking wild it's wild yeah it's still a theater I think they still do shows there God they built that theater for dude to dance in front of his followers that's like a whole other that's a whole other segway is like how how like crazy you know cult leaders are and what type of personality that person is and like what happens to people I love this mockumentaries that a few people have done around cult leaders I think there's a series on Netflix that went into like a three -part episode how to be a cult leader it's called yeah it's fucking hilarious well it's just like you were talking about before about 15 % of the people have an IQ lower than 85 and some people just want to be led there's a bunch of people a bunch who are really lost and never develop the tools to be personally responsible for themselves they never develop the ability to be autonomous they never develop the ability to have their own thoughts and the the objective analysis of all the information and coming up with a rational conclusion and they don't have people around them they could mount these ideas off that they respect that they can go what about this and that person go yeah but you have to also consider this and you're like yeah you do right right hmm okay so what is really going on like they don't have that in their life and so some fucking dude comes along and he's wearing speedos and he does yoga and he tells you he can give you the knowing and you can be in touch with God and you just fucking you buy into it and it's it feels better than being by yourself and you're hanging out with all these people and everyone's cooking together and you're doing yoga together seems good seems great it seems like a good time like that wild wild country yeah yeah you ran that yeah me and my friend Todd were talking about this once and he's he's real sweet guy he's a funny guy but he was like in the beginning is like God I want to live like that he goes it all goes bad at the end but in the beginning like God I want to live like that I kind of want to live like that too everybody wants to be a part of something bigger than them and especially if it's like a cool community where everybody's nice to each other and you're all like you're all connected to God and you're all like a part of this movement of spreading love and hope throughout the the world seems great in the beginning yeah it seems like utopic yeah it's a drug I think people have this natural inclination to look towards a leader so it's like looking towards an alpha -chimp in a pack or the leader of a tribe is a natural inclination to look to someone who gets it and if your brain's not like good someone can come along and fucking throw Scientology in your face you're like I like it I like it what do I get my own planet when I die you can convince him if you fucking sell it if you're especially if you're successful like if if you're running like the giant church and like clearly you must know what you're doing just pulled up in a Rolls -Royce this guy knows what he's doing he's a cult leader he comes out people are like open the door farm they're calling them the beloved you must be legit maybe I found the real guy yeah right guys attached attached to God energy how do you think about that from leadership perspective you know you've had a ton of guys on but you find yourself as a leader you find yourself as a voice like is that come natural is that something I just do my best to be like the best version of me that I can be and if that also if part of that is talking about the things that I've learned then I do that but there's no part of me that says like I need to be a leader there's no I don't I think you could really fuck your head up if you start believing that and I think that's where the cult starts that's what the cult started guys I'm a leader I need to teach these people they need to follow my ways like probably not maybe you need a leader too maybe all everybody needs to like work together maybe that's a better option like I think the whole leader thing is like there might be people that you admire or you see them as someone who is a great example of how to live life like whether it's Jaco or many of these people that like put that out there like Jaco's one of the best examples of it like he's written books about extreme ownership and and that those are there's valuable valuable lessons and that kind of stuff but I think even with guys like him it comes natural it is just like this he is just telling you what he learned this is real this is what you need to do if you want to get ahead you got to fucking take accountability for your own life you got to you got to embrace your fuck ups embrace your failures figure out what you did wrong regroup get back after it those are super valuable lessons and you can call him a leader because of those lessons but really what he's leading is an example of an excellent life right and that is the best thing that we do for each other we lead by example so you can see a guy who like I was hanging out with this friend of mine who's this very wealthy guy who owns all these businesses and one of the things that I was like super like inspired by is how nice he is to everyone to everyone everyone he meets he's super friendly and engaging and but genuine like I'm with him all the time so I know if he's turning it on or turning off it's never off he's like genuinely and he doesn't have any time for negativity he doesn't use email he doesn't fuck with social media and he's a multi billionaire right and he's just just running his life with a smile in his face and genuinely engaging with people like that guy's a leader by example like that's a beautiful way to live your life if you can do that you could be very successful but never turn into a tyrant that's amazing that's amazing because most people they take the easy way and they turn into a tyrant everybody around them's walking on eggshells like yell at people you always hear about that with talk show hosts and you always hear about that with like people that are leading a sitcom they just yell at everybody shut the fuck up and listen to me I'm the star of this show like you know that kind of shit you always just to hear about that especially before the internet yeah and I mean some of the best leadership examples that I've had in my life were guys that were bad toxic leaders because you're like God I do not want to be close to that guy yes and you know and I've had like the just the I guess the fortunate opportunity to serve under some really incredible people and with amazing people that they just inspire you through action and like one of those guys I've had a really close relationship over the last few years is Johnny Morris the founder of Bass Pro and he's that guy really he's so founder of Bass Pro shop he is so humble he is so nice he is so genuine we went out cutting a few years ago he called me he's like hey Evan you want to go out cutting I was like yeah let's go like you don't say no to Johnny right you're not like right no like of course of course I'm gonna go and one of the guys he brought out one of the guys that plays in in his bar there in Branson Missouri and he shot an elk we're tracking it Johnny's out there tracking it and he's like hey guys you guys want some water like runs down and grabs everybody some water because we're putting in some miles he's driving the truck with us and stuff I mean the guys I don't know how many stores that he's open I don't know exactly what his individual wealth is but he's humble he's incredibly kind and he's always there to offer an opportunity for somebody we went out to one of his places in Arizona just sat with me for a full day just talking about brand like you know he's sitting on the couch in his slippers we're going through brand and in kind of brand moments and how important those can be and how important it is for your customer the customer came up a thousand times like how important this is and it's like those little pieces that I can pull away from incredible leaders people would inspire me or whatever it is it's not only the good people that you can find where they're authentically engaging with you but it's also the flip side to that where you're like this guy is incredibly successful and there's another person that's very toxic and they're not engaging people in an authentic way I don't want to be even close to those people yeah like not even close it's like when people have alcoholic parents that you know they're in and out of jail always getting arrested and those people wind up being super disciplined because they're like fuck this I'm not living my life like that you know I'm not where cops are banging on the door at three o 'clock in the morning to pull your dad out of bed right like there's a lot of people that live their life by the negative example they go I am never going to live that life I know a lot of people who don't drink at all not because they have a drinking problem but because someone in their family had a drinking problem it's one of the reasons why I've never done coke I had a buddy of mine in high school and his cousin used to sell coke and I watched his life fall part I remember thinking oh my god like this guy was fucking so normal and cool now also needs like a vampire like hiding and just doing coke all the time like they would hide in this attic apartment and do coke and when his girlfriend they look pale and they're like oh my god you guys get bit by a vampire it's like the cocaine vampire came along and stole your life the cocaine vampire bro that that vampire steals people's lives I remember it from high school because it's not like like there's a lot of coke heads in my neighborhood but there was enough people that did coke where you watch the change in their personality where it just all became about getting coke they just wanted to get coke why can't I imagine it's it's got to be prevalent within like the media world and in LA it's got to be oh yeah it's got to be every where it's got to be everywhere in LA I mean I've had it offered to me a couple of times not a lot though right not a lot it's not like it's something that it's not like weed my god how many times of people put a joint in front of me who fucking knows how many but not coke is not I think coke people know other coke people you know they fucking know you got that vampire mark on you they're looking at you going now this guy's way too fit yeah but I know some healthy people that do coke which is wild I know some jiu jitsu guys you do coke really yeah yeah there's people that just like the party they just enjoy it enough that they they disregard or ignore the performance negatives which are very real like if you're fucking ramping your system up with go gay and you expect to perform at your best and you're doing it all the time well there's no way even if you're really talented you're taking a chunk out of your potential for sure yeah I think that's where especially if you're in a combat sport and yes I definitely you know from from my subculture of the people that I grew up with in the military we're always concerned about brain injury KBI I think one of the most positive benefits that you know the veteran community specifically can do is stop drinking just stop once you mix drugs and alcohol in an already compromised or or could be compromised brain you don't know what's gonna happen right and I know that it's one of those things that I've I've tried very hard to just eliminate out of my life because of that I've lost too many friends to to suicides specifically one in particular that was you know my best friend to just about a year ago and I guarantee it was because the the mix of chemicals with a TBI guarantee TBI with fighters one of the wild things is when you think a guy's punchy and then you have a couple of drinks with them they they get drunk so fast like obliterated so fast like you're pretty normal and they're gone and you're wondering like wow wonder what if like that whole brain the whole punch drunk thing which people always used to call it punch drunk before they call it pugilistic a dementia but punch drunk they are kind of drunk and then you give them alcohol and they get really fucked up and there's a lot of people just walking around like that and also your your endocrine systems disrupted your your body's not producing dopamine or serotonin properly anymore because of the brain injuries and so then you're looking for something to get you out of this fog of depression and a lot of them turn to drink it which is crazy because it's a depressive it's the same it's very very similar in the veteran community because guys will come out they're redefining themselves trying to find purpose in their lives they get depressed because they're dislocated from their tribe the people they've been emotionally physically psychologically more connected to than sometimes their family and then they are dealing with overpressure and or they've been blown up guaranteed because even on internal breaches and explosives on targets you're going to be exposed to the overpressure from the explosives you're going to have some type of impact on your brain like I would say guaranteed if you came out of the special operations community and then they switch and I've seen it there's too many examples for me to list but I've seen it directly impact in a negative way because they switch to alcohol and then they find themselves in in the bottom of a bottle and it doesn't get better like there that doesn't improve their life in in any way shape or form there's an interim band aid for it it might make you feel better for a short amount of time but after a while it it puts you into a spiral and I've seen it happen too many times to count and it it affects you like I mean it directly affects me every day where you know whether it's the the war itself or the post -effective war I've talked about this a few times where it's like Iraq is with me every day of my life whether I like it or don't like it I've just dealt with it and now I'm just trying to do the best that I can to make sure that one the machine is when a 100 % capacity and two that I can be an example for other guys to say you know what I don't have to I don't have to be in a social circumstance I have a drink I can reach out to a friend if you know if even if you just reach out to people now and again just say hey what's up how you doing right like that's it helps it does it definitely helps and I think from the that I think that's one of the reasons why fighters and military guys find each other a lot and there's a huge percentage of veterans that get into jiu -jitsu and some of the things after after service they're looking for a community they're looking for a tribe they're looking for something physical and and I see a lot of parallels between that makes sense yeah I would think military guys like jiu -jitsu and martial arts would be an automatic makes sense and complete makes sense to help you transition and also just a great thing to keep your head and check keep your mind right it's martial arts particularly jiu -jitsu is really good one because there's no head impacts and you know you can keep your mind right the problem with sparring like when if you get into striking sports you're getting damage whether you brave it or not even if you're light sparring you're you're getting popped you're you're getting jabbed every now and then someone hits you with something a little stiff you know you see stars it happens it always happens I can't remember a time you you have to have like really good training partners when it comes to striking where you really trust them that they're gonna hit you hard and even then sometimes accidentally they hit you hard right like you zig when you should have zagged you run into something it just happens but with jiu -jitsu you cut that down way down like the amount of head injuries and in impacts and concussions and jiu -jitsu's tiny comparison every now and then you accidentally collide heads or you accidentally catch a knee to the head and get noxily that does happen but for the most part it's like the safest way to engage in combat sports and also it's one of the rare ones where you can do it with a buddy and you can both go full blast and you don't have to worry about killing each other right if you're going full blast in gym kickboxing I mean you're gonna fucking break your brain 100 % and I know a lot of guys have done it and I used to do it used to we used to go to war we didn't spar we beat the fuck out of each other we hit each other full blast all the time and it was all just about having good defense and being able to move around away from shots but you know the real shots were coming your way and you got dinged up a lot and if you're doing that like forever all throughout your years like Jerry quarry is a good example Jerry quarry was a boxer fought Muhammad Ali on his return when he took those three years off and Jerry quarry was like notoriously tough just tough just would eat fucking punches well his brother was like him too and I think his brother only had like one professional fight they were just always sparring in the gym his brother wound up with brain damage just as bad as Jerry horrific brain damage just from the gym the gym fucking counts kids if you're listening out there and you're sparring and you're you're you're fucking tuning up on your friends and you guys are beating the shit out of each other that counts for the rest of your life whether your coach is telling you that or not those sparring sessions if you're going in there and you're getting dropped and you're getting rocked and you're rocking people and dropping people you guys are giving each other brain damage a hundred percent and I was just having a conversation with a friend of mine who was a professional fighter who is now dealing with one of his friends who suicidal who used to be a professional fighter and they were talking about the sparring sessions that they had they were talking about Jesus maybe we shouldn't have been beaten the fuck out of each other all those years because they would go to war and in the early days of MMA in particular now they're a little bit more sophisticated about it and they're they're much more aware of preserving yourself like there's certain guys like Max Holloway doesn't even spar he just fights he says I know how to fight I don't want to get beat up in the gym and go into a fight compromise he goes I want to go into a fight a hundred percent so I don't even spar he just does drills and you know he's one of the best alive but then this guy's like Sean Strickland that spar constantly just he his house got brought into yeah pull that video was what a wrong house to break into out of all the houses out of all the houses to fuck with that guy you have see middleweight chairman who is a gun nut yeah and really knows how to use guns yeah out of all the guys yeah trains you see every photo that he has he does YouTube videos just fucking ARs on the wall behind like he's not fucking around kids he's ready he's hilarious that guy is he is hilarious he's very funny he's like he's so marketable as like an anti hero but also a hero you know he's a guy like so here yeah go to the volume give me some volume so this is drunk guy and he's outside Sean's apartment Sean sees him it's a music play

2:07:13so he throws the guy down on the ground points a gun at him and he's standing on him I don't know what the guy was doing it seems like the guy was just a obliterated drunk and he thought the guy was trying to rob him but I think the guy was just shit faced and he was like looking for his keys or something what was he doing since he was arrested oh he hit a curb okay so so he was driving drunk he stomped out a girl oh my god oh a security guard saw him stomped out a girl he jumped into his car and drove off security followed him he hit a curb completely shredded his tire drove on the rim for a while then jumped down tried to hide it's Sean Strickland's house gosh yeah whoops wrong dude wrong dude that's that's karma that's the universe sending you to the wrong spots the gravitational pull this to Sean's house he was such a con he was such a con the universe guided him to the absolute worst place he could ever be while he just did those things stomped out a girl drove drunk smashed his car into a curb ditched it tried to hide at that absolute wrong spot like that guy social media like it's got to be some of the most entertaining social media oh hilarious yeah and he's a champion so it's like he's behaving like a wild young contender but he's the number one guy on earth I mean looks it's hard to say look people can say what they want about that out of Sonya fight oh is he wasn't himself dude he wasn't himself because he got clip with a bomb of a right hand by Strickland in that first round Strickland connected with a picture perfect right hand rocked Izzy and then hit him with how many shots did he hit him with afterwards eight ten clean shots to the head left hooks in the clinch mean of course he wasn't himself after that right you get hit like that in a fight you're a fucksville for the rest of those he probably doesn't remember those rounds he fought five rounds compromised who knows how dinged up he got only he knows only is he knows how bad he got hurt in that first round but when you get rocked that way and your legs give out and you go down like Izzy did that's a concussion kids you got rocked that's a real getting rocked that guy did that so you could talk all the shit you want you know because Strickland seems like he's got this awkward style and people think he's not as good as he is but you watch him tune dudes up you like that guy's a mother fucker man at all you know he spars more than anybody than you know see and they put a mouthpiece that measures how many times you get hit he gets hit less than anyone seriously phenomenal defense man phenomenal defense his his distance management it's off the charts and it's because he's constantly sparring so like that's what he does better than anybody he fights right and when he spars if you've seen the videos of him sparring he's fucking fighting you're fighting him yeah guy like boxers coming in talk shit he beats the fuck out of them with just boxing he's fucking dangerous man so the universe led to that man that's like perfect karmic justice oh it's beautiful for a guy who stomps out a girl and then drives drunk and shreds his car and tries to run that is the absolute perfect way and then it's all on camera it's amazing yeah it's the universe sometimes it delivers yeah sometimes there's an opening and that fucking wounding gazelle wanders into shonstricklands house you fucking victim that count of a gazelle god every now and then yeah every now and then the universe will give us one of those yeah and thank god you know what I mean yeah yeah it's good it's good it's good but again that's the right to give him bear arms that's that's freedom that's like the ability to protect yourself he didn't know who the fuck that guy was what if that guy was a creep yeah who knows I got another one I got one for you this guy a guy tries a rob a gun store what yeah I sent this to my friend Sean my friend Justin rather my friend Justin is a real gun nut like a fucking bonafide salt of the earth gun nut and I sent him this because I knew he would get a kick out of it I'll send this to you Jayme this is one of the ones the sensitive content do you really want to share this it'll ask you if you want to see the real like yeah I want to see it and then you try to send it hold on do you really want to share it anyway it says this post includes a notice saying it may contain graphic or violent content yeah I want to share it of course I want to share it there's so much of this on instagram they must be either promoting it but they're absolutely aware of it right they have to be aware of it because they put a notice on it saying you sure you want to share it first of all they they asked me twice you sure you want to see it right I say y 'all is it I said you sure you want to share it like you want to share it and so they let me so they must know about it so they know about violent violent shit like murders like watch this so this dude comes into a gun store give me some volume oh some talking over it

2:12:34imagine this guy thinks he's gonna rob a you see that old dude hey that old dude has been planning for that moment every day when he puts his shoes on yeah one day someone's gonna rob the gun store and I'm fucking ready that guy's at the range practicing for that one day that's from the Instagram page this underscore motherfucker underscore right underscore here which is an amazing page but imagine these guys thinking that they can go he got two guns on him too thinking he's gonna walk into a gun store and rob a gun store and he just gets dusted like immediately look at this boom right away yeah there wasn't a decision making process in this imagine thinking I'm gonna go in this gun store I'm gonna rob them and I'll take all the guns yeah yeah that what do you think works there kid who do you think works at gun stores people really enjoy guns yeah you don't get the average Starbucks barista it's like I heard there's an opening at the gun store am I allowed to wear my lip ring how many pronouns I don't think you get a lot of pronoun name tags and gun stores no no I'm pretty sure they don't I don't think you have to have he ham in your social media bio no no yeah somebody sent me that's something the other day this every time someone says sends me something that has like their pronouns in their bio of an email I just delete it yeah I'm like no no not playing along with this no I somebody asked me the other day than the company they're they're like well do you want to do this it's like absolutely never not they asked if you want to put pronouns in the mind they were saying if if we should do it oh my god or let people and I was like hey man your title and your name that's all we need to do here we're we're all good we don't need to do this they're not participating in this like horseshit I saw a comedian that had that in their bio are they funny I find that hard to believe it's not possible they can't be culturally they don't like there's a section of the population that tends to be like really liberal like the woke side of the spectrum they they're not funny they they can't have humor they could they could 10 years ago they can 15 years ago you could because there's a lot of people that you would consider woke they were very liberal but they were able to use humor in a way that is very offensive if it was not humor right because it's it but it's humor it's only supposed to be funny it's not like they're making statements like these are apodabas this is my real beliefs on things no they're saying things in a way that's either ironic or sarcastic or it's a parody or what but it's very funny and it's very funny and uses outrageous language and uses what people would think is problematic stereotypes and all kinds of children like that and there was a lot of liberal comedians that would walk that line and be really good at it you know they would say something racist from the perspective of a racist person and make fun of that person but also make fun of the way that person's talking about things and that the way that person's talking about things are also funny and you could do that now you can't do that anymore because now those people are so the left is moved so far it's so far into this weird world of Narnia where you know like gender transition surgeries are cool like yeah you should be supporting trans kids like what are you saying the fuck the fuck are you saying support Ukraine like are you sure did you go over there what are you saying what are you saying free Palestine free Palestine from what like okay what what do you know about it tell me what you know like are you just jumping on every fucking bandwagon that the left wants you to jump on or if you've really looked into this shit like do you what how much do you know about Israel how much do you know about Hamas how much do you know about the history of the region it's very little but you got a fucking flag on your Instagram bio because that's the fashionable thing to do that it's moved so far in that direction what are your pronouns put them in your bio okay like you don't even have your pronouns in your pile like this kind of nonsense and compliance has led them into this weird world where you can't do proper humor anymore that's why there's no comedy movies anymore man is that the reason you think yes they're scared you can't do like super bad today no but the guys who did super bad are all woke yeah yeah one hundred percent I mean all of those guys are a hundred percent on on the woke side yeah now and now they're like kind of they woke themselves out of jobs they woke themselves out of one of the the most cherished aspects of movie going times which is going to see a great offensive movie like the fairly brothers like something about Mary hilarious fucking movie try making that today we're blazing saddles try making that something like that yeah like could never happen to never happen like everything no Brooks everything that they did oh yeah there's no way it could be made no way and he's very liberal very tough when got you used to be able to do that used to be able to do that with humor there's a lot of comics that are really liberal that we're really funny like 10 15 years ago and now you watch them it's like a lot of claptor and virtue signaling is like you're scared you're scared you're scared of upsetting that base you you're scared of them turning on you you want them with you always and they're not with you man they're all trapped in the fucking the undercurrent the tide they're getting pulled by a rip tide of this culture run a muck and they don't you know they don't do anything to stop it and the oh that's why guys like Bill Mar are interesting yeah because he does he does he's he never stopped being a real comic even in the the tide of all this crazy left shit he's like well what the fuck is going on like what is happening here like he's not like he's one of the few guys is saying hey Biden fucking step down like what what are we doing like what are we doing the fuck is happening here this is not this is this time is gone this is nonsense do you guys want to win this thing like what the fuck are you doing and that's against what most of that ideology wants you to say well there's there's they've lost the ability to be objective and anything yeah so if you're if you don't agree if you if you if you if you don't pass the purity test yes then you're gonna be on the right you're not see yeah you're you're gonna go over here you're a fascist yeah you're labeled as something that you're not obviously just because you want to have a different opinion there's no ability for people to have a constructive conversation be objective bring in facts they've got to make it personal they've got to go really deep into these obscure philosophical conversations that don't make sense I think part of it is like I truly do believe that there's part of this that's directly contributed contributed to from our our strategic enemies I think that we're yes in the middle of this information operation and I think people wittingly and unwittingly are participating in this crazy chaotic narrative and they're saying but this is what we need to do actually what you're doing is you're just directly relaying propaganda that's what you're doing and you're trying to cause cultural divides and they're trying to divide us they're trying to make us argue because they're the ones that directly reap the benefits of all this chaos who else would reap the benefits of this yeah it's it's laid out by Yuri Bezmanov in the 1980s and people who haven't seen that go watch this video it's on YouTube former KGB defector Yuri Bezmanov he outlines how Russia has invaded our education system and that what they're doing to try to destroy our culture and whether or not you believe in that shit or not just listen to what he's saying and see what's happened he is outlining exactly how it would take place he's off by about 10 years yeah but he outlined it in terms of how many generations it would take for a complete moral decay and a complete complete like or in erosion of our faith in democratic process and all of it's laid out all of it's laid out exactly what you see and that's that's the enemy of comedy you're gonna fucking fall in on that like you can't you can't be funny no and you can't be funny and be involved in this fucking chaotic war I was watching a jujitsu coach online they were talking about whether or not he supports trans women competing in women's division and he was saying of course I do because I'm not a Nazi we're not Nazis right so if you don't support biological males competing against women in jujitsu matches you're a Nazi I was like this is crazy this this kind of nutty shit has made it all the way to jujitsu do you think that it eventually it loses the effectiveness of the term if they're just overusing you know fascist and Nazi in every sentence do you think eventually it at least runs out of inertia because they've used it so much that it loses its effectiveness it definitely does but the problem with that is there's real Nazis out there yeah exactly that that's the problem with crying wolf right like one day you're gonna see a real wolf like oh my god that's a wolf and everyone's like shut the fuck up like no no guys that's a actual Nazi right like they have a swastik on their back is a real Nazi like real Nazis are real that's what's so offensive about calling someone who doesn't want a biological male with a mental disorder to compete against women in a jujitsu match that's that's why it's so offensive to call anybody who objects to that a Nazi because there are Nazis like no I just I think biological males have a massive advantage and I'm not gonna live in your narnia world and pretend they don't because it's fucking stupid and it's dangerous and that's the reality of the world we're living in right now there's a bunch of people that whether willingly or unwillingly knowingly or unknowingly they've given into this whether how what percentage of it is put out by our enemies what percentage of it is is really effective psychological warfare through manipulation of social media algorithms and for the use of bots and and troll farms that shit's real it's 100 % documented it's 100 % real and if we if you don't believe that it happens you're living in a fictional reality because they're they're either participating in it or they're taking advantage of it yes that's their job by because there are strategic threats whether that's militarily or economically this is their goal and when you're controlled by one party in China it's with a communist party they've got a long term look and how they can directly affect and ultimately degrade what we believe is Americans because they benefit from that yeah they want the position that we have so if people don't believe that you're just living in a false reality period yeah you're living in a false reality and you're not taking into account all the things we discussed earlier about some people fall into cults some people 15 % of them in IQ below 85 like all that shit is a factor because they're really easily led easily and if you are one of those people maybe you don't have an 85 IQ maybe it's 89 maybe it's 90 maybe you're just gullible you can get sucked into thinking this is the only way to think and if you see it magnified in your social media algorithm because of China because of Russia and because of these troll farms which we absolutely no exist it shifts the narrative it shifts the way people discuss and think about things it shifts what's acceptable when people start going against the grain they get attacked by all these trolls it it fucking puts the brakes on a lot of discussions well and and that's the only way that we're going to move the the ball forward and I hate using sports analogies but that's the only way we're going to be able to move things forward as if we can get out of what I would say is this the these the idiot circus participating in these nonsense subjects versus hey guys we have to maintain our sovereignty we have to maintain what we would call our principles internationally why why is that important why should we be thinking about these things and I think these are real questions that we can be talking about like a good one is why is our national debt the way where it is today why do we have 33 trillion dollars and in debt what is the debt service going to happen for our country the individual taxpayers how does that look like how does that what does that look like 10 years from now versus whether or not we're arguing whose male or female or how many pronouns you have I think we should be talking about those things right those are really substantive conversations yeah and then climate change comes up and that's the next one people start fighting about it's like you got to keep as many beach balls up in the air at the concert as possible just keep bouncing those fuckers around to distract people distraction it's a giant distraction whether you realize it or not whether you you're overconfident in maybe your own ability to navigate waters and you're like it's not affecting me it's affecting culture and if it's affecting culture it's going to have an impact on you it's going to come towards you you're going to have to push back against something that you wouldn't have to push back against some real nonsense shit you know and if you go against it you're a Nazi like this whole men using the women's bathroom like listen I'm not an anti -trans person but if you don't believe that there are certain male predators that are sex offenders that wouldn't take advantage of the ability to wear a dress and then all of a sudden be able to go into any woman's room they want well they definitely do and you don't have a way of discerning who's a legitimate trans person that has gender dysphoria that really just wants to be accepted as a woman and who's a sick fuck who just wants to go watch women shit because those guys are real too and if you don't agree with that if you don't say that those people are real now all of a sudden you've created a whole category of sexual predators that prey on women that have a Willy Wonka golden ticket now they could just go into women's spaces they can go in the women's locker rooms they can go into women's anything all they have to do is say they identify as a woman it's not hard to do no you don't even have to look like a woman you just say you identify as a woman you can put lipstick on if you want like we're so lenient about this shit and I'm not saying I know a solution because like if you ever met Blair White oh yeah she used a women's room why shouldn't she use a women's room like that's a trans woman who's like that's a trans woman that's a real she lives like a woman she wants to call herself a woman I'm in but that's not everyone there's there's there's this one I think this person lives in I want to say Canada but somewhere north but on their social media they wrote some women have penises and if you don't like it you could suck my dick full beard wearing a dress looking like a guy in a dress and you're like okay you might be insane how about you're insane right and how about if everybody just accepts that blanket this well now you have like you leave this door open for chaos and if you can't talk about it because if you talk about it you're a Nazi like what are we doing like what are we doing we we we we gave perverts like a complete will we walk a golden ticket a hall pass give him a hall pass and then you can you you can monopolize the conversation in the country around what quite literally small meaningless things versus saying you know these are big strategic threats to our way of life like I think there's in there people outside of this country every day that are looking to undermine our entire premise of what we built over the course of the last several hundred years I mean I I don't even necessarily say that I believe in this and it's not a feeling it is what it is and the context of spending most of my life overseas and working against these intelligence agencies you know what they're capable of and yeah you know what they're doing they love this like they love this chaotic weird conversation that were trapped in arguing about all of these different things because at that point we're taking our eye off the ball like they love the fact that we are trapped in this like you know endless cycle of of wars of occupation where we spent trillions of dollars they love that you know why because it degrades our long -term military viability in some of these regions and then you know China can snap up ports and economic influence and they can start building their power and we as a country if we don't like focus on those things we don't really try to focus on what is culturally important to us what are we really going to protect freedom of speech good for instance in this is we were talking about it in California like comedy is one of the last places where you should be able to say what it is that you want to say like and and I'm saying everywhere we should be able to do this and we should absolutely protect it but if comedies under attack from people wanting to cancel comedy because of jokes that's a problem as a as a country as a society that's a fucking huge problem well the the Lakota had a term called the the heyoka the sacred clown they had a person in their society that made fun of everything because they had this need to test things like how do I know if this thing is legit if it will someone can't make fun of it that's probably a thing that there's a problem with that thing if you can't discuss it and you can't mock it there's probably a problem with that thing like maybe that thing is like maybe there's a little bit of a culty aspect of that thing and well here's a question do you think we're doing the same thing overseas are we are we doing the same sort of social media campaigns we must be this Mike Baker and you fucking gave me the run around oh I think I here's here's my honest you know I everybody that starts a a conversation by saying here's my honest opinion but my assessment in this is I think that we have uh we have forfeited portions of of foreign service to the left in the context of wokeism politically correct like the act of maintaining your sovereignty in the context of military and then economically is not politically correct you can't broker in uh in that rhetoric and then implement a strategic long term goals and objectives that are going to meet and exceed what we have to do to maintain America and ultimately America's power overseas if you believe in it you just can't because it's not politically correct uh if you believe that all nations are created you know equal and all political ideologies are equal that's that's just wrong it's it's it's it's not uh you know I tend to not tend like I think uh communism is a dog shit ideology I think that it should have been flushed down the international toilet a long time ago we just haven't done it good yet yeah we're gonna figure it out this time Evan yeah and you can't doubt you can't dabble in it like it's so dangerous to start dabbling in these things because it's a failed ideology you have to flush it down the toilet it has to go away forever and then you have to evolve past that at a certain point but when you've co -opted our academic institutions and you've indoctrinated generations of uh the academic elite and then they've worked their way into foreign service and they've worked our way they've worked their way into uh the intelligence apparatus now they're going out and they're not willing to implement at the same degree that they might have been able to in the 1960s and 70s in the context of zero sum game we are here to win that's what we do and you got to play by the rules of nature which is things will die and when I say that ideologies have to die like they do when they're failed and they're bad for freedom which I tend to believe in radical freedom when they're bad for individual liberty when they're bad for freedom they got to fucking die and if you're going to have communism you're gonna need someone to enforce that it's it's it only is implemented through tyranny that's it isn't that wild yes that no one wants to do that math they don't want to get to the 10th problem right they want to stop a problem number seven and go well it's really important that we share wealth and the economic you know disparity is is wrong and we should all have money from the state and equal money and and and and and we should all share and billionaires shouldn't exist and okay okay how do you make that happen right how do you take the money from the billionaires who do you give it to who gets to decide who gets what do we vote on where the money goes what about those people that are under 85 IQ are they voting on this too they're going to vote for free twinkies for everybody free twinkies and mountain do I mean if you just had should all the billionaires spend their money on free twinkies and mountain do and you just left it to people weren't billionaires to vote for they yeah fuck those people it's gonna vote it in should we take 90 % of the money from people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett fuck yeah they don't need that money click there's a lot of people that'll tell you that yeah they they don't want like if you're starting off you're playing any game like the game's capitalism if you're starting off in your 20 years old 21 years old and you know you don't make any money and you're out there trying to find your your purpose in life and then you see in someone who's been playing this game for 50 years and he's flying around in a fucking private jet and getting driven around at a Rolls Royce like fuck that guy yeah fuck him fuck him he's too far ahead of the game but you're playing that game too if you're working and you're getting paid for your work you're playing a game you might be playing a very low level of the game but you're playing the game called capitalism and the more work you do the more money you get the more effort you put in to figure out how to get more money the more money you'll get if you're successful and if you're not successful you'll at least get lessons on how to do it wrong and hopefully you're gonna figure that out because many people have including that guy in the fucking Bentley including that guy in the private jet he's he's just 70 years old he's been playing this fucking game for 45 god damn years hard you know he knows what he's doing and if you don't like that game don't play it but for you to say that he shouldn't have that money okay what do you what are you gonna do you gonna take it from him who's gonna take it from him the government armed people what are you doing because that's the only way he's gonna give it up it's only a way that's the only way you get to enforce people redistributing wealth evenly across everybody including people that have done nothing like and now you're gonna get a lot of angry people and you're gonna get a lot of resentment you know pops out of something like that those ideas far right ideologies super far right that's the that's the rebound to this radical leftism you know Steve Bannon was talking about that he was talking about Trump like the people that are afraid of Trump they're like he's a moderate he's a moderate in this movement and believe me if you guys fuck with him more someone else is gonna come along that's gonna resonate with these people that realize they're getting fucked and it's gonna be just like it's what's happening in Argentina where this guy gets elected and he's like fuck everything everything's gotta go everything's gotta go and it's wild because people are very excited about that there's a there's a ground swell of people that are really fucking fed up with this bullshit being implemented in all sorts of countries all over the world there's they're passing these wild hate speech laws in the UK we were talking about yesterday where you can get arrested if you have something on your phone that could be used to incite violence so if you if you someone sends you a meme it's a hilarious meme that someone decides that meme could incite violence because it's offensive yeah they could arrest you this is wild wild shit and this is the kind of thought process that leads us down a very bad path I think that that's where people start to sell this thing is this is a utopian future right where everybody's equal everything is the same we're all you know in this fictional reality together but what they don't understand is it it it is not look like that it looks like a dystopian nightmare is what it looks like in order to get to this place that you're briefing us is so so amazing and equal it's it has to take so much control it's anti -psychology it's anti -human it's anti -freedom like when you take a person's freedom that's the most valuable thing that we have yeah it's it's you're taking away the human purpose I and that's the thing that I I I often kind of wrestle with with people it's like you can't take away an individual's purpose and expect or try to and expect that to go well it's just not it's not like you can't put them into a factory job and say well you know what this is your plighting life for the rest of your life this is what you're gonna do and take away their their entire existence and essence their ability to create and thrive as an individual that doesn't work like it doesn't work and also you're gonna get the halves and the half -nots like you had in Cuba you get it the halves and you have knots like you have in China you know China has kind of a hybrid system right like they allow some form of capitalism but until you step out of line they send you to the bodies exhibit yeah it's it is it's wild how many young people are not getting this information and I think many young people are getting it now they understand it now because of podcasts and but they're still they're they're outnumbered by the people that are just the zombies that are buying into this shit wholesale and they're out there and they're out there with these very strong opinions that are not very well researched at all the lack of understanding of human nature and also a lack of understanding of all the forces that have led them to this particular ideology in the first place that you we are as a culture being manipulate we're being manipulated and it's moving us further and further away from just sanity just pure sanity it's the foundations of western logic right it's it's they're they're trying to poison the the roots of western logic by completely rewriting what what we would call the history of the world and the progression why we around physics and math and you name the thing that's under assault it's under assault today and I think who benefits from that you just have to look around say who benefits from that oh yeah our foes that's who benefits from this I and not much has changed if you think no twenty five hundred years ago we'll say socrates was was put to death for corrupting the the corrupting the youth I think is what it was and I'm like trying to recall it but he was out there on the street arguing and debating with people talking about ideas and they're the Athenians were like we got to get rid of this guy he's like he's pressure testing what we're doing like we got to put this dude down and I think well that was twenty five hundred years ago so anytime the state deems information is a threat we should probably be looking at that information and then really trying to like have an open discussion about it that's a beauty of America like freedom of speech yes it is the beauty of America but it's also why they're trying to crack down the internet right the internet has been the biggest force in not just relaying this propaganda but also fighting against propaganda and letting people realize like hey like these people that are supposed to be your leaders they're compromised and they're fucking you and there's some things that they're doing now that they're just doing and like what what is the economic consequence of the hundreds of billions of dollars that being spent on these wars that we're not interested in what are what are the economic consequences where where are the actual legal consequences for I mean here's an easy one which is we invaded a country of Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction and they didn't exist yeah not one person went to jail we spent more time trying to connect this fiction around Russian collusion for two years and we did investigating why there was a massive information operation internally to the United States it said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq not one person went to jail not one person stepped in front of Congress and we had depositions around why did you say that there was weapons of mass destruction when there wasn't not one person but we spent how many trillions of dollars on this war and how many people died yeah how many innocent Iraqis died well I mean these are hundreds of thousands of people I mean my peer group alone just thousands of people that are physically and mentally altered forever that spent you could you could you could say the best years of our life in a war under false pretenses and now the long -term effects are coming back and also the government doesn't want to pay for that bill as well so they they were trying to deny Gulf War syndrome remember that when they were using depleted uranium rounds so these people were all getting radiation poisoning and their their children were born deformed and they were having these massive problems and they were trying to deny it because they didn't want to pay for it they don't want to pay for it they don't want to write the check they do when it directly benefits uh what I would say is the military industrial complex in these wars of occupation I don't want to make it sound like I'm anti I think there's a there's a difference between a war of necessity that maintains national sovereignty and a long -term war of choice for occupation that's a war of choice in occupation is an exercise in transference of wealth from the taxpayer into the military industrial complex and that's like firsthand experience spending uh 2003 to 2009 in Iraq uh I mean that's that's a lot of time four and a half years on the ground and then another three years in Afghanistan just seeing the expense from blood and treasure alone over the course of uh 10 years of deployments and understanding what the difference is between precision uh tracking and then killing terrorists and what we need to do in order to stabilize a region and then long -term massive wars of occupation there's a very distinct difference yeah I think that's very important to bring up and it's also very important to bring up that you have to have military power because other countries have it and people who don't think that you should support the military there's there's people that think all militaries evil listen if we didn't have it what do you think would happen what do you think the whole world would lay down their arms if we did do you think that's what would happen we have to live in reality and the reality this world and you know it better than anybody this world is a fucking messy place it's we live in a bubble here uh you know uh a very protected artificial reality when you get out into the most dangerous places in the world that's where you see nature that's where you see the the real rules of life which is the only rules are those of physics bullets travel at x you know x feet per second you have a collective team trying to organize against in a in a very chaotic environment trying to survive but really you you you strip every piece of what you know around rules around what's right and wrong your morality is put into question your mortality is at stake all the time and you see the real world it's it's it's it's eye -opening to the point of you you understand how great we have it in the United States and how beautiful this country is and you also understand how fragile life is in how brutal the the world can be in how brutal humanity can be towards each other you know it can be gone like that and I think being exposed to it for that long and then coming home that the the uh the things that I've been able to pull away from that earth this place is amazing it's beautiful it's it's it's something that we should foster and encourage and continue to pass down through generations because we're so fucking fortunate to have hit the birth lottery being born here yeah like I roll out of bed every day man I'm like this this is fucking awesome like I'm so happy to be alive like I'm so happy to have all my fingers and toes and I'm so happy for the experiences of war because it's show me what it's like to understand my mortality sometimes second to second but for sure day to day for years on end and understand that we're only here for a short amount of time and we got to make it fucking count and we also have to be very grateful and gracious to what we have here for our freedoms and our country and our countrymen and the experience of war itself that chaotic environment that show me traffic rules don't apply over there right it's like traffic lights and police officers and you know the things that we take for granted every day going to work you know making our coffee doing all the things that we do you strip all that away into just the law of nature it is wild like it is forever life changing but you also understand this is what we're living in like these this is the actual consequence of what we're living and we we're very protected in the way that we live life right now yeah I'm real glad you said that I'm real glad you relayed that message that way people need to hear it let's wrap this up sweet appreciate you brother thanks man always a good time yeah dude having hay for legend gentlemen bye everybody