#2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

26:22And think about only as a this is just a business thing. I'm just making I don't want to work at Wendy's. And so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm going to invest this money in real estate and smart. You could you could look at it that way. What would be the threshold of acceptable behavior on only fans though, because it's like it ranges from like bananas in your pussy. Yeah, it's a way you could be just from what I understand is a lot of fitness industry girls to will just they're already almost nude on Instagram essentially right and they will just post different iterations of, you know, the same poses or whatever.

27:01In the same kind of clothes, but behind a paywall. And I guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them, which is often like a.

27:17That's what I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kind of gay. So because it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what, what you'd want to do with him and this and that and speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her, which presumably a lot of girls outsourced to whoever they can get to do it or have, I don't know, some cookie cutter scripts or something. Yeah, but yeah, it's kind of a weird. But if you were doing that, you would know exactly what to say to the guys because you know exactly what the guys want here.

28:00Yeah, if you're just running a scam, I mean, it's not really gay, unless you're getting aroused, thinking about this guy's jerking off to your words, which is a very gray area. Yeah, I can't, it's a weird situation for sure. It's definitely weird. Well, that's also the criticism that Andrew Tate has gotten about exploitation. So supposedly he would get these girls to fall in love with them and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him. Yeah, it's wild. How much content he has that exists from back then that he's so articulate and well spoken. Yeah. When he speaks about it, but then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot that it's hard to, I can imagine the people who are very hard on him.

28:46You watch the old videos. It's pretty hard to decide with them when you see those. Yes, but also you got to think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention. You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it. Yeah. And the best way to do that is to be a character and over the top completely arrogant guy who shirtless with sunglasses on smoking a cigar talking about hose. Yeah. And pimping hose. It's like, is it a character or is it really you? And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites and he does have these girls working for him.

29:31Okay. But then some of the girls talk, actually, he's really nice and he was kind and he gave me this business opportunity. I want to make a lot of money with it and you're like, oh, okay. This is complicated. Yeah. How much of this is theater and how much of this is like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from. Yeah. Yeah. Any interactions I've had with the guy before he was, you know, super famous and whatnot. I've always been positive too. Like super nice guy. Very intelligent guy. Yeah. Super art. Super art.

30:05Super art. And, you know, his brother too. Doesn't doesn't give as much credit. But you know, they're very, very smart guys. But boy, what are they tap into? There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture. Like actually what men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to knock a yelled at the wild shit they talk about. And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxers, standing there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps.

30:48And, you know, that's very appealing because it doesn't exist. Yeah. Like if you're never going to see Donald CNN or NBC or it's not no mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this. What is obviously a lucrative market young guys who don't want to be like their parents. They don't want to be like their teachers. They don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and potbellied and fucking depressing and talking about equity and inclusiveness. And they're like, Jesus fucking Christ. And then they see this guy and like, oh, I like that guy. Yeah. Yeah.

31:27No, he's definitely inspired discipline and thinking action and it's like a responsibility for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's like a more problematic version of like what Jaco does or different. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also it's different, you know, because it's like, you know, he's in the he really is in the Pimpin hose business. It's like if you're running campsites like that. Yeah. You're really, you know, farming those girls out to make shit loads of money for you. Yeah. For a bunch of suckers. I can't even imagine what the life of only fans manager or something would be. Yeah. This got to be a lot of them.

32:10Oh for sure. I know that there's a lot of people that they hire. That manage the girls DMs. So there's like companies, I guess. Is this the case? I'm pretty I've just been told this. There's got to be agencies that are, you know, turn key. We take care of it. I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those. Oh, well, I wanted to use my verified account. I was like, what is going side? I mean, that's sneaky. But what? What? So what did they want you to do? DM chicks to offer them like you can be on only fans. I was like, they don't jam me. Do you know how bad that would turn out? Like, they don't fucking know that already.

32:47Like why would I have to tell them? So if I could convince them to do it. Yeah. The return is I get a kick back of their revenue. I just like I would just remember that as you guys are talking about it. So when they contacted you, what did they say? Like, hey, Jamie, do you know a lot of girls that are willing to take the call? Yeah, it's like we've noticed you're it's one of these DMs I get from multiple accounts for various reasons. But like we've noticed your account. You're, you know, I have X amount of followers. You know, you could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram. If you do, you know, and how much would they give you?

33:18I don't I've taught my head. I don't remember I could check. I feel like it was 10 20 % something like that. So that's Luke. Yeah. If you can get a bunch of really. I've heard these guys are making 50 % the managers do like they just split it. That seems to be. That seems crazy. Yeah. They're not doing anything though. Like the girls don't do anything besides make the content and then the managers are running the account. Still 50 % seems pretty high is without the girl. You know, I think a lot of naivety around business operations though would definitely drive girls to think. I don't want to deal with you know, accounting.

33:53Yeah. With this and I don't even know how. Right. Yeah, but I'll mean to take 50. That's especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says look, you can do this and you can make $3 ,000 a month or you can do this with us and you can make $150 ,000 a month. Yeah. So yeah, you'll get 50 % we'll get 50 % but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing with. Yeah. And you're not going to get there on your own. And we have this vast network. And we can also introduce you through other girls. Like other girls like this is my friend Cindy. Like you'll see them do that on their Instagram page.

34:22Follow her and then you know, they're just like pumping each other up like comics would do. Okay, go see Mike. He's playing at the ha ha really funny guy. Yeah, you know, Cindy's got a great pussy. Check her out. I wonder who the Joe Rogan of only fans. Chicks is. It's got to be one. Yeah, it's just like a ringleader of all. Put some oil on put platforms. 48 million last year. I think it's a lot of. Oh, I don't know that way. I guess. Yeah, different way, but she's the top of. Is the rapper. Oh, wow. Jesus 48 million. Yeah. God damn. So now you go show your ass. Oh, baby. I want a Ferrari. For 48 million, like you better read.

35:04Yeah. Well, also you could just do that for three or four years and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life. Is the azalea the new queen of only fans not even Cardi B can match her racy content. Damn, she got a hot body. 48. There you go. 48 million. Good for her. Jesus. Good for her. That's still pretty good. Hey, here's the wild one is Tyga. Who's a guy? Is this like self reported though? Like how do they even get these figures? They showed those I've most of these have come from them sharing the figure like online like they'll take a screenshot or something, but I don't know specifically each one.

35:39Scroll up. We can see the tomb. She's hot. I get it. It's like when you see a. I don't know like when you Google somebody's like net worth or something. It's like, you know, because that actually what it is. I feel like probably not. But right here you can say that it says her net worth is 15. But she just made. Reportally had a net worth prior to that. 48 million from the website written the 320 % hike in her overall value. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I mean it makes sense if you're just a business person and especially if you're a celebrity in that world like the female rap world. Like what's the longevity of that?

36:21You've got a few that hang in there. But I mean how many like long term rap females have been super successful? I'm a little ignorant in that genre. Yeah, I definitely don't follow it closely. So I'm not sure either. How's that tiger guy making all that money? I would have to. He's got me intrigued. What do I have to do? I mean an extra 20 year. Yeah, that's pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post like porn videos. Right. Like what if we had one episode of the JRE only fans where we did only in juxtaps. How would that probably need a juxtap camera? Maybe I don't know. It would be like all gay guys.

37:06You could say you're in a juxtap right now. Nobody would know. That's true. That's true. Women don't pay for guys though. There's just like this for tiger. Who's who's paying for him? I've only heard there's a guy that's on the challenges names Devon this TV show MTV and he makes a lot of money doing that. But I think he said yes. It's all guys. I feel like in less than makes sense. Full blown porn for gay dudes to buy. I would be very skeptical of 20 million. Even if he's like a a list of love. Like it seems insane. Is tiger an a list of love? Like in the Kardashian world. So he is. Yeah. Yeah.

37:43What I don't know what a list actually means by the way. I don't know what it means anymore. It used to mean nothing. Yeah. I used to or used to mean you were only movie stars. I think he might have been with Kendall is on the screen. That kind of makes 20 million year. He said popular songs. But I would imagine 20 million a year from all the fans. Do we have any examples of his only fans content? I got a paper that bro. But there's got to be something you can find on fucking reddit. My understanding is they're pretty intense with making sure it stays off of that's bottom of the panel. So it says he says he deleted his account.

38:22Also, it's a kind of meant him in a bunch of chicks. That's what this thing is. It's like who's paying for that? You know, that's just like Instagram hype content. Well, if it's him in a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that. Oh, it's just Rob. Hold up. Go back to that. Go back to that. I click too many things real fast. I didn't want to be staring at it. Go back to that. Maybe this one. Yeah. So he does show his cock. Well assuming by this one picture, how do we know? And reddit that it's also him. But that also could be a filter. It makes his dick bigger. Yeah. How about they have that?

39:03They have lip filters for sure. They have filters for your eyes. You give your eyelashes. If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not do it. Yeah. You want to make some money or not. Tiger. Yeah. Get that dick filter running. Tiger starts only fans model management company and he's looking for clients. So he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how, you know, revenue driving he is. But are they allowing like self declaration? Tommy Lee's got his cock out. He is. It's got that six -year -old fucking started this whole thing. Weathered. So Tommy Lee joins only fans.

39:41So Tommy Lee is showing his hog. Yeah. Okay. I guess you can kind of get away with that of your Tommy Lee. Yeah. I guess. I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight kid rock. Oh, buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards. Tommy wants to meet you. I'm like, okay. So I go to one of their concerts when they when they're doing that show rock star supernova. Do you remember rock star supernova? No, what was that? It was like a television show where they put together a band. They're like made a band. Okay. And Tommy Lee was a part of it. Who else was in that? Who is that? Was that really handsome guy?

40:20Dave Navarro. Wasn't he in that too?

40:25I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it. Right? I'll put the pictures. I don't know. Oh, there's their names. So Lucas Rossi, Gilby Clark, Tommy Lee, Johnny Colts, Jason Nusik from Metallica. Yeah. So they had this thing. So I think we went to the concert. Good show. And then afterwards I got to meet Tommy. And Tommy was like, I want to fight kid rock. Kick his fucking ass because like kid rock and dated Pamela Anderson and Tommy used to be married to Pamela. And so they had some fucking. So they were trying to set up a fight like kid rock and Tommy Lee in a fight. So what were you going to do?

41:02I was going to like introduce him to trainers. And I just wanted he asked. He just wanted to talk to me about it. I did not know what he wanted to talk about. And so then when I got there, I was like, hmm. Okay. What do you tell it's what's your lifestyle? Like how committed are you to do? Like how much can you train? Like how much time do you think you need to prepare? Do you have any experience at all in combat sports? Like do you just think you're going to kick his ass because you hate him? You know, and kid rock. Like I'll put my money on that motherfucker. Like he seems he seems like a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before.

41:35So who? Why didn't that happen? Oh, I don't know. A lot of people. There's a lot of those things that people talk about that never actually take place because like the reality of it. Elon versus us. I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was real. Like that was lawyers and negotiation. I was training twice a day for six months. That was fucking hard. I was so tired all the time. And I only got like a taste of what it's like to, you know, to train like an MMA fighter because I was I was training knowing that the fight was eventually going to take place. I was building up a base.

42:11So I was kickboxing every morning and then I was doing Jiu Jitsu every night and I was doing it for six months. So why did fall through? I think as he knew I was going to kill him. I think in the beginning he thought that he would be able to stuff take downs and he would kick my ass. And then he found out, no, I'm going to talk about no champion. Yeah, I'm a kickboxer. That's way better. It's standing up there. I'm on the ground. And then I don't know what happened. But there was a bunch of different demands. Like a first was going to be 50 50 and then, you know, he wanted to be 60 40 and I agreed to everything.

42:43And then finally it was like, okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want. I'm like, I'm going to fucking strangle that guy. Like, let me get ahold of him. Yeah. And it never happened. But I just wanted to do I just like, this would be a perfect thing to do. Like he's never fought and never made before. I would ever done it before. This would be fun. And it'll make a lot of money. And just I just the idea of this guy who had never had any competitive fights at all ever. Yeah. That he thought he could do that. I'm like, okay, like you know, I can know what that feels like.

43:15Like I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it. I know what that feels like when the referee's looking at you, are you ready? And then if that's a moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes dang and you're like, oh shit, is this real? There's just going to be too much weirdness for him to process. I guess it wouldn't be good to have that blemish one as a history. No, no, I just, you know, I think he was doing a lot of blow if I had a guess because he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes. And he had some advisor, those like, you know, one of those dudes that tells you, you know, it's unconstitutional, big taxes.

43:55Look right here. There's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that, you know, they're not going to prosecute you because then it'll have to be revealed. The taxes are against the Constitution and there's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the, you know, the influence of unfortunately. And he went out of Goon of jail. No, it's easy. Yeah, he went out of Goon of jail for tax evasion. Damn, dude. When it's time to Wesley Slimes doing jail. Taxes are a weird one, right? Because if you owe taxes, like if they find that you don't just pay them back, they put you in a cage.

44:30Yeah. They did it to Lauren Hill from the Fuji's. Dude, it's like the most odd. Yeah. Here he goes. Slimes is convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008. It was sentenced to three years in prison. After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison. God damn. I think Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now. Yeah, I think she got off though. Or didn't some of the happen where she won her case. I think that was that in Spain? Yeah, something like that. It's like I wonder what like getting off like even in tales on that because if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid.

45:12How do you you just did and they didn't catch it somehow? Right. How much paperwork do you have? She struck a deal. She struck a deal. A lot of money to pay. God damn. Except for the charges. She accepted the charges and a fine of 50 % of the amount owed more than 7 .3 million. Is that pounds? What does that little mark? Euros. So she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount. How does that make sense? I don't know. May I end it next year 500? Oh, you just pay an extra 438K and you don't want to go to prison? Yeah. That's got to be unique to where she is I would think right? Yeah, I think in America they try to make an example of people, especially famous people.

45:54Hey kids, pay your fucking taxes. The IRS does not fuck around. Yeah. And it's a, there's shady institution. They, they go after you. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever had a situation that was like fuck I need to get an accountant? No. Usually there's some sort of, like from day one you're pretty dialed out. I've had a business manager for 25 years. Oh damn. Yeah, luckily. Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff or if you just have like how you built the team under you. Yeah, you have to have people. You have to have real people that really know what the fuck they're doing that do this for a lot of other, you know, high income people.

46:33Yeah. Yeah, they know what they're doing. They make sure you pay all your fucking taxes and you don't have to think about it. And you don't, that is the last place you want to be is in the hole to the government. That's, when you're in the hole of the IRS, they start auditing you and find out even lying about this or, you know, maybe you've been deducting things you can't deduct. Like, shh. You start going up your ass with a microscope. Yeah. It's not good. And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes like snipes, they fucking put you in jail man. And they do it to make an example out of you because if you're a famous person like, you know, Lauren Hill or someone like that, how long did she go away for?

47:14I think she did a year. Yeah, it's crazy man. They'll take fucking superstars. And I don't know what her deal was. If it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes. Because like, you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you have to have some sophisticated people around you. But that's not the case. No, it's like, off and not. Here it is. Federal judge of sentence, Lauren's Hill, to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings. Damn. Which is crazy because she could have easily made that million dollars back for the other man.

47:52And they're like, no, go to jail. Go to jail. So how do you vet? Because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy. Like, how do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great? I got very fortunate. He's very conservative. He doesn't fuck around at all. He's like, you don't want that smoke. You want to pay your fucking taxes. You know, he does everything by the book, you know, and they're really good and they've been around forever. It's like, that's what you need. It's like, you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady Jimbrose that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for you, Sada.

48:37But yet it happens all the time. All the time. There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sick of fans and hang out in camp that could tell you, you know, this stuff they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America. And you're like, oh, no, I'm gonna touch for it. The next thing you're taking it. Did you hear anything about this that just was going on that brightened the background of stuff that's very important in life? I did hear about it, but I didn't hear the detail. So it says Glenn Big Baby Davis convicted an NBA insurance fraud scheme. And what was the scheme? My understanding without getting two into details is that once these players graduate when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of pension.

49:20It's part of the pension, I guess. And based off of how they go and file things, certain they get payments for certain levels of whatever it is, doctors, dentists, whatever it is. Just fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years. And they were just taking the money, I guess. Hmm. And they like, I guess a few players got wrapped up into it. But I remember reading about it. It was just like $1 ,000 a year, $1 ,500 a year, $2 ,000 a year. And it just adds up. Yeah. But these are guys that, you know, NBA champions made millions of dollars. The thing is you make those millions of dollars and then your career is over.

49:58And you're like, oh shit. Yeah. And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something. And you're like, oh. Yeah, I can just, how many pro athletes do you know that have been crushing it and then got weighing over their head with lifestyle? Well, a lot. I know a lot of fighters like that. And with fighters, it's also, you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury. Because one of the things that happens with people that have been hitting the head a bunch is they become very impulsive. They make risky decisions. They gamble a lot. They're real.

50:35Something gets knocked loose. That's the real thing. It happens with football players. It happens with a lot of fighters. And those people, they lose their impulse control. It's part of getting hit in the head a lot. It makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild. Damn. Yeah. So they, if anyone needs that high level advancement, it's those guys. But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to. Right? Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong. You know, strong egos. They've been doing it their own way. They become champions that way and to like adjust that shift in the way you think.

51:15And say, oh, I'm kind of a fuck up. I'm a little wild with my mind. I need someone to invest my money. And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where hey, in three years from now, you're going to making zero money. Like if you're a 36 year old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low. There's only a few guys. There's guys like Jan Bhovich, who's a world champion in his 40s. Glover to share a world champion in his 40s. Like most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormin is another example, rare.

51:55Very rare to be elite at that age. Most of those guys are done. And when I see a fighter, and I see like a guy who's like on the way up 28, and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36, I'm like, ooh, this might be the one. Because this might be the time when the wheels fall off. Right. Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries. Like it could be a neck and a back, a hip, a knee, something that fucks with them. It's not able them to train properly. They can't make specific movements when they want to, because it's painful. So even though they look good in their fighting, they might be compromised, like pretty significantly.

52:40There's guys that fight, and they have fucking bulging discs in their neck, that are giving them like nerve pains in their hands, and if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked. Yeah, didn't you? You said recently, Usman, his knees are just destroyed. Absolutely, that's amazing. Destroyed. And we were talking about it yesterday with Daniel. If you see the difference between Usman's upper body, he looks like a Greek god. And then you get down to his lower body. There's almost no muscle tone. They're thin legs. They're tiny legs. And a lot of that is because he can't do anything with them.

53:09His knees are bone on bone. His cartilage is worn out. He's almost no meniscus. He has to walk backwards downstairs. Damn, dude. Yeah, and he's a world champion. Has he tried? I'm assuming he's done pretty much everything. You probably sent them down there. Yeah, he's gone to Colombia. Got stem cells. But the problem is, and it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get, like my friend Shane Dorian, do you know who he is? Yeah. Big wave surfer. Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico. He went down there and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body, smashing down the discs.

54:00They told him you're not doing anything for eight weeks. Nothing. So for guy like him, it's like super fit and very active is like, what can I do? You can walk. Well, you have to give these cells time to actually do their work. And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these preexisting injuries and conditions. And stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job. Like you've got to give this tissue a chance to reproliferate. You've got to give your body a chance to heal. And they have to go to work. And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to work.

54:38You recently had it thought and you're taking, how much, you have to do the same thing eight weeks off for that. Yeah, you have to, if you're doing something like that, you have like a pretty significant injury. And then I have to take off. And that's I think because they're going into his discs. But I had a torn MCL on my left knee. And I got stem cells in it. And then like a few weeks later, I was training hard again, like kicking the bag and doing more time, kicking pads. And it just kept getting, it kept flaring up. And then I said, okay, I see what the fuck is going on here. And I know how hard headed I am.

55:16I got to take a year off of more time. And I took a whole year. One year I didn't kick at all. And all I did is those knees over toes, guys, things and stem cells. And now it's great. But I had to give it that time. I was just always re aggravating the same injury. It would get a little bit better at the point where it didn't hurt anymore. And then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power, you're taking the mass of your body, which is my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground. And then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again.

56:00It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise. If something's wrong there. What was the recent treatment you had done, like what was it for? I had it done just a couple days ago because I have, I think what is over use. I think it's probably like some sort of 10 minus in my lower back. And it's from archery. It's from, you know, when you're pulling a bow back, I have two bows. One is 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day. Over and over and over again. So it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down.

56:44And like maintain your posture is in my right lower back. That's where like everything sort of like balances out. That's like the full chrome or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet. And that's what kind of keeps the stable. And that was getting overused to the point where I would draw my bow back. And I could do it a few times. And then like on the 10th time, 11th time, it would start to flare up. And it was becoming an issue. So I got some stem cell shot into that. So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now? I have to take some time off. I'll take a couple of weeks off.

57:20Yeah. But I have an easy bow too. I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds. And so that one doesn't seem to bother me. So I could do that. It's just like as soon as something bothers me, I stop. And then I'm doing the ice bass and I'm rolling it out. I'm shooting BPC 157 in there. And it's better. It's already pretty significantly better. Nice. Yeah. So a part of your daily routine is like 150 shots. No. Like you said, every day I'm doing 100 to 150. Oh, yo shots with the arrow. Yes. Yes. I thought you'd see what 575 would be. It'd say no. No, no. Yeah. Every day is like 100, at least 100 shots.

58:02So that's just here or where do you have it? I have a range here at the studio. It's an indoor range. And then I have it in my house. I have an outdoor range. You got to show me your own after. I don't think I've ever even seen the gym. Have you seen a gym? No. Oh, yeah. We got a great gym. It's like a real gym gym that you would like pay a membership for. Is it? It's pretty dope. Public or? No. No. I'm assuming. Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it. And so it's like, you know, I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they didn't talk about it for a while.

58:34They don't work out at all. And I'm like, look, come down. We'll have a fun time. We'll laugh around a bit. And we'll, I'll start you off, real light. I started them out with just body weight exercises. Like we're going to do. I do like a series of 100 pushups and 100 body weight squats every day. And what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge. So I start the cold plunge. That's the first thing I do. And then I do, once I'm done with 100 body weight squats and 100 pushups, then I can start working out. Because I'm pretty warm by then. And then I'll start doing my other stuff. And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the body weight squats and the pushups.

59:08And I'm like, don't you have to do sets of 20? I'm like, if you could do five, if you could do 10 to five, because we're going to do five sets. And so you'll wind up doing 25 pushups. And you want to do in 25 body weight squats. Which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base. And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms. And you're doing swings. And you know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleanse and presses. And then I work them into windmills. And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came. So we had a serious workout.

59:40And I'm like, just, everybody try to keep up. But we're going to get after it today. We did like two hours. Me. Okay. Me. So the rock does your portion. Yeah, he did my workout. Okay. Yeah, which is cool to see him do because he, you know, I think what he mostly does is stuff that generate size. I think he does a lot of machines. Yeah, it seems like a, like very bodybuilding focus. Yes. And longevity for his joints and whatnot. And he did football pro wrestling for years. I mean, beats your fucking body. And all those guys that are retired pro wrestlers, he is unquestionably in the best condition.

1:00:17Like he's not, like Hulk Hogan comes in. He's got a crutch. You know, and he's fucked up. He's got to walk with a cane, his back. He's got like seven. I think he lost four or five inches of height due to back surgeries. Because they're just fusing all his, you get to think you got a little space in between each spinal column. And then that goes away. That goes away. That goes away. So everything is compressed. And then that creates all sorts of problems in your body because everything's kind of out of a line now. And then your back is one stiff rod because everything's fused. It's fucked. But the rocks avoided all that.

1:00:54Like he's in pretty good condition. He's not that mobile. Like we had him doing like windmills. You know what a windmill is? He cleaned press with a kettlebell. And then he go down like this with your hand all the way down the ground. And then all the way back up. That was a struggle for him. Oh, I mean, he's pretty tall too. Yeah, he's huge dude. But he's just, he's doing mostly like bench press squats. He's doing things with machines, leg curls, leg extensions. I think he does a lot of machine stuff, which is probably the safest way to do that shit. Does he usually train on his own with no macro partner?

1:01:30Yeah, he does. Seems like every video he's like in a gym that's like been propped up somewhere. Mm -hmm. And it's still like all the equipment is there, but there's no one there. It's like a mobile facility, I guess. Yeah, that's what he does. I mean, he has that. And then he has this enormous place at his house. Yeah, so it's all, it's all machines. I mean, does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of what he's utilizing is, you know, machines. Which, you know, you really can get strong and you really can't get big with those. Yeah. But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength.

1:02:12Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic materials too. Yeah. Like even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard. And I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot. And my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder and actually being able to get it past my ear even. It was like I was smashing my head with my delt. And I couldn't even like keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible. And it was, that was the first time I noticed, damn, this is really limiting.

1:02:46Yeah. Like you become athletic looking and like you could do things at a high level because you just, you look good objectively. But the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff. Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right? I mean, if you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do. Yeah, like that Tom Havland guy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a great example of jacked as fuck huge and does a lot of like functional type stuff. Yes. Yeah. What is his deal? Yeah, he's an interesting character for sure.

1:03:26Yeah. I think he's former special forces. He's, he's a, he kind of, I think he used to compete in certain strength events, powerlifting potentially. There is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago and he's, his face is actually showing, which a lot of people don't know about. But yeah, he's like six, eight, three, fifty right now, I think. Yeah, he's trying to get to 400 pounds. That was his thing. Yeah, I think he did before. I don't know if he's still trying to get the 400, but yeah, the guy is a fucking freak show for sure. A real freak show. Yeah, and he's like, his equipment, it's like you don't even know where it came from.

1:04:04It's like, is this a fucking piece of like railroad equipment or something? I know a lot of it is like, shit, he built. And what's really crazy is most of the stuff he's wearing work boots. Yeah. And like a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit. Like, look at this, like how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains? Yeah, like there's definitely a, I wouldn't want to work out in jeans personally. Right. That would be the last thing I don't know where. Like, why is he doing that? I don't know. What is the mentality about, like I guess it's, it's, it's gotta be just like the way it looks, man, I guess.

1:04:38It must be. Because it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything. Right, like why is he wearing work boots? Why is he wearing jeans? I mean, why is, why is he never show his face? It's like the ultimate blue collar, you know, this one's wild. He carries a log while he's got offset weight. So the, the chain is wrapped around his right arm and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him. When Goggins ask who's gonna carry the boots and logs, I show them this guy. I mean, what a strange thing to do. But he also is a big advocate of carrying things. Like one of the things he said, if you, if you want to get strong, take something heavy and carry it around.

1:05:20Yeah, yeah, and it's like stuff that actually would translate into, you know, real life. Hey, look at this shit. Look at this guy who carry your groceries, bro. I mean, this is insane. This farmer's carry. He's like, how much weight is that? 410 pounds. 410 pounds, farmer's carry. What's that, Jim? He channed 410. He channed 410? That says farmers walk with 800 pounds. Oh, my God. Now look at that. Look at those, he's, those are not weights. Those are like gears. Like what are those things that he's got on the sides? Yeah, and he's got like one plate and then the other thing looks like a gear.

1:06:01So everything he does is like these really awkward movements. But then he supplements that with traditional stuff like zertra squads, dead lifts. Yeah, I don't know why he's a, I think it's Instagram's private now too. Yeah, I don't know, earned or intake intake. Today's calories 6 ,389 cheese Louise, which is like, you know, for his size. Yeah, I can believe it. 100 % he's fucking six nine or whatever he is. Yeah, I don't understand his like branding though around the whole. Don't show my face, private Instagram. Like, I don't know what it is. Because like obviously the posts are to document progress and or inspired people or bring intention to programs or something.

1:06:50But then it's like, I don't know, maybe he got a lot of harassment or something. Now you get to see where he's sure. Oh, there we go. Fuck you guys at house. Jesus, look at the size of that motherfucker. I think that's why he wears all those clothes. That's very distracting for what he's doing. If he's just trying to show you how strong he is, you just like look out. Like look at this. He's doing an axle with two wheels on it. Yeah. Like what? Imagine just driving by and seeing this guy. Just walking around in the fucking field carrying logs and shit. Yeah, look at this. He's got two wheels on each side.

1:07:24He's doing these shrugs. Very strange stuff. Yeah. Nice pulling things with his neck. I mean, he literally looks like a superhero. Yeah, yeah. What is his jailhouse strong? Does he have programs that you can buy? I think so. Because he's got a website. Because that's one of the things that he has ever... This is book series. What is it? Go to it. I'm just trying to do everything I want to. No worries. No frills training, gas station ready, Amazon selling book series. Jailhouse Strongwa Instagram.

1:08:04Is jailhousestrongwa website? You go to jailhousestrong .com. You know that. It's like a Facebook profile. Go to jailhousestrong .com. See if there's a website. He'll have a barrel. Okay. So jailhousestrong is just a barrel. It's all him. It's always giant back. Okay. Yeah. He's definitely not overly promotional though. No. Almost a win you even know that he has anything. Yeah, that's what's really strange about it. It's like, what is he doing? I don't know. I don't know, man. He's getting people to talk about it. For sure. Maybe that's part of the mystique. Brian Cald sent it to me first. He goes, you need to see this freak.

1:08:44Yeah. And he goes, you're Tom Havilland? I go, no. He just reads me all the details of how big this guy is. And all of his videos are him from behind. Lifting insane amounts of weight. How is he? I feel like every year I'm going to be asking the same question as Brian Cald sent it to me. Not yet. Oh my god. I don't get it. He's waiting to die. Literally. I don't understand it. Yeah. He claims his testosterone is fine. Oh really? Okay. Okay. I don't know who he's going to. Certain friends listen. Certain friends are stubborn and they just don't listen. And they're like, okay. Do it. You know, do whatever you want to do.

1:09:25With all these comedian guys, I was telling them forever, as long as they would listen. I'm like, if you have more energy, you'll be able to do more things in your life. Like, forget about what you look like, but you won't most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well. But maybe more importantly, you'll have more energy for everything you do in life, including go on stage. Like, I'm 56 years old. I still do two shows a night, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. That's six hours of comedy in three days. And I don't get that tired. I'm fine. Because I'm fit. I eat well. I'm healthy.

1:09:59I'm like, I have energy. Like, you don't have energy. Like, you guys get tired doing one show. What's your current, I don't know, like, supplementation and or, like, drugs for, you know, staying dialed or mentally sharp? Or is it just perfect diet or... Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Breck on the podcast. And so I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends. I just started doing it. I can't tell. I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement. I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger.

1:10:38And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat. I know it's when I get on the carnivore diet. Like, your cheeks get kind of sucked in. And you kind of look like shit because it's like, you don't have face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more. So your face starts getting, like, kind of sunken in. His face did that at first, and then it plumped up again. And I'm like, what's going on with that? And he's like, it's the red light bed. Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin and you use it every day. And he uses it, he's got a routine that Gary Breck does.

1:11:08What does he call it? The superhuman protocol, something, I forget what he calls it. Is Dana still, like, I'm pretty sure he was on a keto diet when he was dieting down. Is he still on keto? Yeah, he's going to be on that forever. He's like, dude, I feel so good. I have so much energy and so much mental clarity because I'm staying keto forever. He hasn't added carbs cyclically or anywhere. Because that would definitely be like, he's holding less water in his face too when you have no carbs. Right. So that would be a big, you know, suck out of there. Yeah. Well, that's what happened to me for sure.

1:11:39When I got on the carnivore diet, this is one of the things I lost a shitload of body fat. Like I got really ripped, like pretty easily. I like this is kind of extraordinary. And also, the thing that's the most beneficial to me is the mental focus and clarity, which I did, I mean, I did it once before in like four or five years ago. I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds. But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week. I'll fuck off. Yeah. But I've been really good at it for the last couple of months. Like I had a slice of pizza last night. And then on Saturday night, I had some sushi.

1:12:17The majority of my diet though, and that's rare. I won't do that again for another month or so. The majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon. And it's it's all just healthy fat. I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and occasionally have a piece of fruit. But the vast majority of my diet is just animal based. So you don't like this. I feel like one last time I was here we were talking about like fruit and adding it in around your workouts and whatnot. Like is that sometimes I'll still do that. I'll have like a banana before I work out. Okay. But it's not every day.

1:12:50It's like once a week. Some like that. Like or I'll have like berries and yogurt. But most of my food is animal based. And when I do that, I have a 100 % recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally. Like when I do the pot one that when I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk. And I was like, I can't drink every night this fucking club. Like this is just too fun. I'm hanging out with these comedians. We're at the bar. We're all laughing. You know, if anybody wanted to get a shot, I would do a shot. And then I get home like god damn it.

1:13:27I got to clean my act up. And I'm like, you know what? I really need to go back to that carnivore diet because that's when I felt my best. So I go back to it. And then within two weeks, I notice a clear difference in my mental clarity. And this is someone with me who already takes, I take this alpha brain black label, I take neuro gum. I'm already taking things and enhance my focus. But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference. And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from that one. Because this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimizes performance. Like I just, there's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact.

1:14:06Yeah, that's when you wake up, isn't like your, your waking energy levels are heightened too, or is it just a stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant? Yeah, it's this stability. I'm always tired when I wake up. But then I get in the co -plunge and I wake right the fuck up. There's nothing, it's like the on switch. When you wake up in the morning and you know, and I always, I look at my phone, I fucking pet the dog, I'm trying to put it off. Do you still have the mental battles in the morning? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I always win, but they're there every fucking day.

1:14:43Every day when I get up to that co -plunge, am I like, should I listen to music? Maybe I listen to music this time. And then I'll get my, I'm going to go get my headphones. So then I get my AirPods and then on what song do I listen to? It's all procrastination. But then once you get in there, all that shit's bullshit. And then you're just freezing your dick off for three minutes. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. And today it was just covered in ice. I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in. But when I get out after three minutes, it's just this rush of endorphins. You just feel fucking amazing.

1:15:18You feel great. And then my mind's firing and then I'm in a great mood. I just got to get through it. Do you still train right after? Yes. Today I didn't, because today I was up really late last night. Like a bunch of people. Like Daniel Cormier came to the club last night and Gordon Ryan and my friend Anthony from the UFC. And there was just like a shit, Michael Bisping was there. Yeah, nice. So we were all at the bar till like two o 'clock in the morning. We were all just laughing and having fun. So I came home and I had some food, watched a little YouTube. I didn't get to bed till like 430.

1:15:52So I woke up at 11. I just got in the cold plunge. Did whatever shit I had to do at the house and then made it to the studio today. Today's the rare day where I didn't work out right after the cold plunge. What's like a typical day in the life? Is it like wake up, cold plunge, work out? Yes. Then eat something in podcasts or like? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And then after that, what? Yeah, usually my first meal is at noon. Okay. You know, usually my first meal. I'm generally waking up in the morning saying goodbye to my kids, getting the cold plunge, starting my workout routine. And then my workout routine is always followed by sauna.

1:16:31So cold plunge starts it off. I heat my body back up through body weight squats and push ups. And then depending upon the day, I have a, I create my own routines. And I found that that's the best way to do it for me. Where I know, like, I write it all down on a whiteboard. And then I know, like, what I have been doing. And I know, like, okay, I'm doing pretty well with this weight. Let's ramp this weight up a little bit. Let's change the reps. Let's add in these. Let's add in one or two extra, you know, kettlebell movements to this routine. You know, so I'm working out for an hour and a half or so.

1:17:09And then when that's over, I do the sauna for 20 to 25 minutes. And then then I eat. Is that typically here? Like you come here or here? Or when I'm doing these comedian boot camp things. When I'm bringing the comics in. So what I do is I'll tell them, don't try to keep up with me. Just, I want you to do like, can you do a chin up? Okay, if you can do a chin up, I want you to do one chin up. If you can do three chin ups, I want you to do two. Just do two. Stop. I'm going to give you like five minutes of rest. And then we're going to do dips. I'm trying to like get them through these routines where they're not like struggling to pick up a fork the next day.

1:17:46So, you know, I started incorporating the torque sled. Do you ever use that? No, no. I think it's fucking fantastic. We have a really, we have a 40 yard strip of astroturf. And then we have this torque sled. And it's a resistance base. It's a really phenomenal sled because you don't have to put weight on it. You just reach down and crank the gears up. So you could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it. So it's really hard to push. And then we push it all the way down. And then we pull it all the way back. Yeah, finding a, I would like to do sled, but public gyms often, it's a, you're that guy when you're like walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway.

1:18:24Right. So there's only so much you can do with the flexibility on that. But, um, yeah, I would like to do it at some point. Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something. Yeah. A place to do it. I used to do it in my yard. I had one that I would do outside. Just, uh, strap this, uh, weight thing around my waist, uh, weight belt, and clip the cord to the sled. And then I would stack like, you know, like 90 pounds on the sled. And then just do a lot of it's doing it backwards. So I pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees. That's like what Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, what he recommends.

1:19:00So I would do that a lot. But then I got the torque sled. It's just so much better. Yeah, that's my, that's the torque sled. That thing's the shit because you can change the gearing. And so like for a lighter person, you can make it a little bit easier. And then if you really want to go hard, you could crank that bitch way the fuck up and it's fucking hard to do. Yeah, I might start doing a reverse, it's like reverse treadmill walking. That's my favorite this way. Yeah, reverse treadmill walking is great. Apparently it's like, uh, maybe it's not, it's not as good as this obviously, but it's like, I've had patellar tendonitis for years.

1:19:35And I've kind of just like left it essentially. And the knees over toe stuff, that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work. It seems like. Yeah. So I should, uh, yeah, the knees over toe stuff is great. I do, like with my body weight squats, I do them on a slant board. So my knee is going way down and I'm going all the way, you know, asked to heels and all the way back up. And it's made a giant difference in my ability, because when I go elk hunting, my ability to move around through the woods, my legs are going way bigger, just from doing that every day. But also I add, you know, like a goblet squats with kettlebells, I'm doing lunges, I'm adding a bunch of other things to it, but the consistent one every day is the bodyweight squats.

1:20:20Now the day goes by where I'm not doing a hundred bodyweight squats and a hundred pushups. Because it's pretty easy to do. It takes 10 minutes. You could just do it. Just force yourself to do it. Hmm. Who do you think is the most improved comedian body composition wise? Zero of them. No, they still eat terrible, but they feel better, which is the most important thing. So I've got the feeling better now in January. January. Usually do like a November or October competition with certain October. Yeah, so October. But that's with Bert Kreischer and Tom Sigerra and Ari Schaffer. Okay. But what I'm doing with these guys is in January, we're going to do a carnivore diet only.

1:21:03So January is apparently World Carnivore Month. That's when I first started trying, oh my god. Okay. It's a thing where like if you know that other people are doing it and you're being held accountable and you declare that you're going to do it, hop on and try it. So I'm going to tell these guys for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs. Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat, get all your healthy fats, meats and eggs. And you can have some avocados. I want you to be bacon. But I want you to just completely cut out all sugar, all bread, all pasta, all rice, all bullshit.

1:21:43And let's see how you feel at the end of the month. But you got to commit to it. And so they're all on board for that. That is where they're going to see radical body change. Because they're just going to reduce their body fat. Your satiety level from just eating meat is so different. It's crazy. People that have a problem over eating. Like I have a problem over eating. Like if I have a pizza in front of me, I will eat that fucking whole pizza. If I have a bowl of ice cream or a carton of ice, I'll eat the whole carton. It's something I've noticed is a portion control of like men versus women.

1:22:16I don't know what it is, but like dudes, it's whatever is in front of me, I will decimate the whole thing. But for girls, it's like, oh, I'll have a little piece of this. I can't wonder if they're doing that around us and how they are. Because it's not bad for a guy to overeat in front of one. You know, like if a guy has a sits down with a 22 ounce cowboy ribeye inside of mashed potatoes, like no one, no woman is going to go, what are you doing? You think they secretly want to decimate it too? I think so. I think especially when it comes to like carbs and pasta, I think it's just human. What do you do for, because it's interesting, because Peter at the F, for example, is known as one of the foremost longevity experts he's seen as the go -to guy for a lot of, I don't know, people seek education from his content and whatnot.

1:23:08But even him with his dialed in practices and whatnot, if the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails. So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids. Because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it's like pisses them off. So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house. Yeah. Yeah. Like obviously you have kids, how do you handle that? Well believe it or not, my kids eat really well.

1:23:41Especially my youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness and it's kind of the strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school. And she'll run 10 miles. Wow. It's not, dude. It's been watching Goggin's shit. I don't know what it is, man, but something switched in her. You know, it's been pretty recently, like over the last five months, she's super consistent. You know, I mean, it's very strange. Like I'll get up if I have to get up early and it's like 6 .30 in the morning and she's in the fucking gym. She's in the gym riding the treadmill. She probably helps you as well for like, well it's inspiring.

1:24:21Yeah. And I'm proud of her. Because no one's telling her to do this. And then she, you know what happened? She got a fit bit. She said, I want to get a fit bit. And so we got her a fit bit. And then she's like, hmm, what's the, what's the, what's a step goal that most people have? And so she's been getting like 28 ,000 steps in a day. Holy shit. Dude, she's amazing. It's nuts. And her body's changing. The only time I get that is if I'm in Europe on a vacation or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Well, she does sports. You know, she does volleyball and basketball and soccer. She does a lot of different sports.

1:24:57Okay. But she's noticing also that it's an improvement in her sports. Like she's not getting tired. When the other girls are getting tired, she's like, let's fucking go. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of interesting. But it's also, it's so weird how your kids will just, like something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing. And then that becomes the new part of their life. Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and what not like and gamifying it is I think for some people kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot.

1:25:33So it's kind of interesting because that, I don't know, you're obviously familiar with Brian Johnson. And we talked about him before. The not Brian Johnson liver king Brian Johnson, the Bill, Bill, Bill, billionaire, vegan longevity dude. He has like this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age. And he has like this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging. And this leaderboard is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can. And you know, their exercise regimens, supplementation diet, et cetera.

1:26:12And it's the biological clocks are kind of not founded in science necessarily. Is it measuring telomeres? Like what are they measuring? It's like a methylation. So it's as much as you could point to the results of it. And it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be, which is like one year equals one year. You could be 0 .6 per year if you were doing everything amazingly potentially. But still that is highly manipulatable via like very, very acute changes. So if you do something, for example, if you're super healthy for even one or a few days, you could change the result of that plus minus like 10 years.

1:27:01So often, I think there was one study where the same guy has tried multiple different tests. And each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time. So it was like obviously if it was a legit tracker, it would your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day. It would make no sense. Right. So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of not necessarily founded, it's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of quality of life, performance, et cetera. So as much as like the whole, like the problem with it obviously is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever.

1:27:51But overall, people are tracking this stuff and getting meticulous about trying to beat each other. They're competing to get as healthy as possible, doing all the right things. So yeah, it's pretty interesting. And he's, uh, he's not interested constantly talking about how he's like, you know, top ranked and fill in the blank metric. Is it on a vegan diet as well? Yeah, which is, uh, it's really interesting because like some of the stuff he does I think is greatly is putting out good information. But then sometimes it's like, I think it's total calorie intake is like 2 ,250. His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great.

1:28:29And then obviously the, the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it. And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as their suppressed via the diet model he's on. So he like, he has all these metrics that he tout says, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers. And you'll say, I'm top 0 .01 % in grip strength for my age or top 1 % in, you know, liver markers or what have you. But then you'll be like, I'm top 1 % in testosterone. And it's like, yeah, you put it in there. Yeah, like no shit, buddy. So he could be higher than that if you want.

1:29:05Yeah, you can manually change it tomorrow. You could be top 0 .01%. Yeah. But, um, yeah, overall the stuff he's doing is, uh, it's interesting. And people overall, like the gamification of it, I think is good to keep people, I don't know, make it more interesting and want to actually improve. I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet? Because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's got to know that the most nutrient dense form of food is meat. Yeah, but he has like 7 ,000 supplements. So you can just make up for it. Can you? I don't know, dude. It's a, I wouldn't say kind of good.

1:29:41I was definitely what he's doing. Nutty pudding, extra virgin olive oil. So my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate his choices of what he's doing. And I think he also has like an ethical stance on, uh, meat consumption to some extent. Oh, okay. Um, but that makes sense. He also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's driving like the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable. Obviously, when you're looking at like, like what the fuck are some of these meals, right?

1:30:22Yeah. Just his dinner at 11 a .m. Yeah. Yeah. What? So what time does he get up? 12 1 a .m. What the fuck? So maybe he has one of those restricted calorie eating days. He intermittent fast for a big chunk of the day and then he compresses it and make sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality. And then he has apparently like one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly is what he claims, which you know, I wouldn't doubt his legit. But I mean, like that's an example to of gamification, which is, is cool. In my opinion is when you can track trends in, oh, last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal.

1:31:03Why did it happen? Oh, maybe it was that I ate, you know, this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep. And then my body temperature elevated. It was harder to get to sleep and my heart rate trying to, you know, I'm metabolizing food. Well, I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time. Like there's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise necessarily. So when you have it in this nice laid out, like visually friendly format, too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight you should probably stop eating two hours before sleep.

1:31:34Or what happened yesterday or HRV is lower and perhaps focus more on recovery. Like that kind of stuff, I think is cool. So it is cool. And that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do. Because you're chasing, chasing numbers, you're chasing steps per day, calories burned. It could go off the rails for some people. Yeah. But at the same time too, I know a lot of people who would never get 10 ,000 steps if it wasn't on a tracker of some sort. Yeah. The trackers, we used to use, when we did the Sober October Fitness Challenge, we used the MyZones tracker.

1:32:15Okay. Have you seen that one? No, no. It's a, you wearing a chest strap and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spend at like 80 % max heart rate. So what we feel, we realized when we started doing this challenge, like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month. What we realized is like burning it out in the red. You don't burn, you can't go as far. So you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't get as many points in a day. It's just too hard. Your body breaks down. But you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time and the yellow is like 140 beats per minute.

1:32:55And so it ramped up while we were getting a certain score like 200 a day, 300 a day. And then one day Ari realized you can watch movies on an iPad while you're on the treadmill and you just keep going. Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff totally escapes you and then all of a sudden you realize one day I could have been fucking. Yeah, doing listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something. Yeah, and well instead of just straight suffering through the cardio, you're getting engaged with this film.

1:33:28And it just becomes normal. So you just breathing heavy while you're watching, you know, apocalypse now or something that's like got you riveted. And so Ari racked up a big score one day like 400 points. We're like, what the fuck did you do? He's like, sorry boys game changer. I realized you watch movies while you're on cardio. And then we started going really crazy. And one day I did seven hours of cardio because I wanted to break the guys because Bert Christch was talking shit. So I did seven hours of cardio and I ramped up an 1100 score for the day. I set off the fire alarm in my gym from sweating.

1:34:02Holy shit dude. Yeah, I got a video of it. There's puddles of sweat on the ground where it looked like I threw water everywhere. So I'm constantly drinking water and electrolytes like constantly ends sugar. I was drinking like cans of Coca Cola, root beer. I just needed some form of like quick easy calories while I was doing it here. Give me some volume on this. From my workout. And I set off the fucking fire alarm. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that was when I was watching John Wick like 50 times in a row. But yeah, like that was, I mean, that was October in California. So it's like, wasn't that hot out.

1:34:51It was like normal temperature out and I'd made that room so hot just from my body weight that the steam from my body set off the fire alarm. Have you ever got a walking like a standing desk before? No. So one of the most wild things I've seen and maybe this is more common than I know. But Ben Greenfield, the longevity biohacking dude, you've had him on a couple of times I think. Yeah, he essentially every time he's doing a podcast, he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside. So the guy is literally never not in motion essentially. Like he is, I don't know how many steps he gets in a day.

1:35:32But a lot of people maybe in that space, like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks, shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting, which is pretty wild. I think that makes sense. I mean, if you could just walk around and do podcasting, you could do that. But for me, my desk at home in particular is for writing. And I couldn't imagine writing standing personally. I need no distractions when I'm writing. I need a blanks like I use focus mode on Microsoft Word where you don't see anything. No notifications pop up.

1:36:10You don't see your tray. You don't see anything. I just see the text on the screen. That's it. That's the only way I can do it. And then I have to really like lock in for hours just doing that. If I was walking, it would just be another thing that my body would be occupied in that would take away the resources from thinking. Did you ever get a burner phone that has no apps and stuff? I think you were talking about that. I have a phone that has no apps. Okay. That's a made a big difference. It makes a difference. But my friends still send me these fucking Instagram links. Oh, it's still number.

1:36:40I have two numbers now. Okay. And the old one still has Instagram on it and all that jazz. But it significantly cuts down on my use of it significantly. Yeah. Because most of the time, see this is what I found out. If you have two phones and one phone, if you have an iPhone and one phone, the iMessage is hooked up to your number. And the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account. You still get all the text messages from the old number. Because they're going to the iMessage email account. So that's how this phone is set up. So you really can't call me. Okay. But you can send me text messages.

1:37:19And the text message will go there. But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring. And they're not even calling the same number. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. That's annoying. I didn't know that. Did you know that, Jamie? It's a static. It's a static. Is that a good turn off or on? Yeah. So I toggle it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I'll switch it back just to the phone number and then nothing comes through. You're with a good hack as Alex Formozzi, if you guys know him. Yeah. She's a business entrepreneur, content creator.

1:37:56Super jacked. Yeah. Super fucking jacked. And he has this hack that he mentioned where you basically go into your color filter settings and you set it to grayscale. And just like that Instagram is like 50 % less enticing to fuck around on. That makes sense. Yeah. So like next time you're on the toilet, you pull out your phone. It's like, oh shit, it's black and white. I don't care about this. Yeah. It's a time suck, boy. And I always trick myself in the thinking that I'm going to get something out of it for material. There's got to be something that I connect with here that's kind of like, what?

1:38:29And I'll get one of those every 10 days, 15 days. Yeah. But those other days is just nonsense. Yeah. It's just looking at muscle cars and fucking nonsense. Yeah, I don't know if it's the algorithms are changing or what, but the explorer feeds are kind of fucked up now. Mine are all murder. Dude. My Twitter at least is basically that. Yeah. Yeah. Twitter's wild under Elon. Yeah. Do you see that interview he did with The New York Times the other day? Oh yeah, he would like to learn the fuck. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Let me be clear. Go fuck yourself. Dude, how many have I ever done on my platform?

1:39:09Go fuck yourself. How much has he changed since you first met him to now? Because at least based on podcast behavior, he seems wildly different and more loose and broish. He's having fun. Yeah. He's a fun guy to be around. Yeah. Like, and he was here last time I was here, he brought a son and you know, he's hanging out with the kid. He's like a fun guy. He's not like, people have this idea, he's this like fucking serious driven business man, which he most certainly also is, but he manages it all really well. Like, he's always laughing. He's on a good time. Was he like that off camera the first time he met him too?

1:39:49Or did it kind of was like a warm up period? Well, I think it was a warm up period he has to get to know you. Yeah. And know he can trust you. I mean, when you're in the richest guy in the world, it's probably a lot of people cutting angles on you and it's probably it's really odd. But what I did notice is that the first time we did the podcast, when I first met him, he was super loose and relaxed. Like, he has his fucking, he brought me a blowtorch that I'm not a, what is it? Not a flamethrower? Boring. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot the company name is. So, so he's, there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the edge.

1:40:29And he's like, I'm out of this in the middle of our lobby. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He's just wild. But I guess when you have that much money, you're not, you really have zero concerns. Like you could just be, if you're that guy, you could just be kind of a silly guy. And he's just fun. He just likes to have a good time. And on the podcast though, it took a while to loosen him up. I think the, there's also like, there's a thing that happens to people in the come on podcast, at least this one, where the scale of it hits them. Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasts. Essentially.

1:41:07Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention. Yeah. You know, but once we started drinking, we had a couple of glasses of whiskey and then things got loose. And then we're having a good time. Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys. It's like, I've been on podcast where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something or some like big production. And it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds. And there's, you know, seven different camera angles that you're thinking about.

1:41:44Oh, don't shift this way too much. Oh, don't do that. Yeah. And here it's, I think a lot of people would be surprised how like chill and lay back the whole setup is. It's by design. Yeah, like it's definitely the most conducive to a real conversation, I feel like. Yeah, you don't want a bunch of people in the room with you. Like I've done people's shows where they have people in the room. I go, do you understand that these people are distracting? Yeah, it's like, it's going to take away for the conversation. I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro -podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value consistently, no matter how high it gets to you.

1:42:16It's equal is better without thinking about the detriment that has the actual conversation and becomes very manufactured. Yeah. Well, I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making? Well, what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible. So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible. You want to give them as much space. You don't want to interrupt. You want them to feel good. You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly and have them be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill.

1:42:53That's what I'm trying to do. And the only way to do that is to make people comfortable. And the only way to make people comfortable is to not distract them. So when I do some people's podcasts and they have literally a glass wall and there's a control room, and you see people running back and forth and they're holding up pieces of paper and they're timing things and there's five different people in the keyboards. And I don't know why they want to do that. I don't understand, like obviously not everybody's Jamie. And one of the things about having a guy like Jamie, it streamlines the process so well because Jamie does a job of three people, at least.

1:43:29There should be three people doing what he does. There should be one person that's googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything is going smooth. You would have multiple people doing what he does. So you mentioned 25 years ago you got a great financial advisor. How did you guys meet to get this whole set up? I just met Jamie at a comedy club. Yeah, Jamie came to show at the ice house and we were just talking, just hanging out and he told me he's a professional audio engineer.

1:44:03And he was saying we have problems with our sound and I said what would you do to fix it? He goes I could take a look at it. And that was kind of the extent of the conversation, right? Yeah, mostly. Pretty much. And then Jamie said he took a one -way ticket from Ohio to come to LA because this is what he wants to do. And I was like really? But it seemed to me and I, for whatever reason, I tend to follow instincts even if people say don't do that. What do you do? I'm like, I don't know. This seems like the thing to do. And like with him, I was like, I think I'm going to hire that dude. And then right away, God didn't even know.

1:44:42I didn't know shit about him. He could have been a fucking serial killer, he could have been a fucking con artist. I mean, did we do a background check on you? You'd have to tell me that. There were talks of it, but I don't know. I think we probably did to make sure you're not a criminal. I did sign something. Yeah. But then right away, I was like, yep, I was right. Was the man? What episode did you come in on? Jamie's been here for nine years. Yeah, 11. 11 years. But like there was some episode number where prior to that, I don't remember. The audio was shitty and everything. It came in around 300.

1:45:15That's okay. 29300 was when I started. Yeah. But again, not everybody's Jamie. But Jamie is Jamie and I are like kind of telepathic in this weird way. Or like I'll be talking about something and Jamie will already have it pulled up. I'll start the conversation. Do you see this new jet? And then all of a sudden, Jamie's got the video. And you'll see, Gasko, how the fuck did he, how did you do that? Did you guys plan this? I'm like, he's the man. Yeah. We have the best working relationship in that regard. And I have other friends that run podcasts and they're always complaining. They're like, the producer chimes in too much and interrupt sentences.

1:45:59They get things wrong. They fuck this up. They do that wrong. They don't show up on time. They're late with their video editing or whatever the fuck it is. It's always something. Yeah. And Jamie and I just have it dialed in. But again, it's a skeleton crew. We have one guy who's a video editor. We have one guy who's a booking agent. So it's like, because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast. Like how do you find a Jamie or something that is like high level positions. Even for like companies you have, I've always wondered how do you find the people to run those. So you can actually do what you do best.

1:46:34Yeah. Well, with the comedy clubs, a good example. With the comedy club, when I started that and I came out here to Austin, it was like the universe had opened every, it was like, you know what you're driving? Sometimes you hit every green light. Yeah. It's like, it's crazy. Yeah, it feels like it's meant to be. It's amazing. Yeah. That's how the comedy club was. It's like, I realized that, you know, I had always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of LA. And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this field. I just want to be a fucked up materialistic, famed driven, bizarre world of LA.

1:47:13Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present. And just having like a well -adjusted, well -balanced adult human being. I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here. Like I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids. These are grown up babies raising babies. I mean, this is fucking madness. I got to get out of here. And so when the pandemic hit and then the riots were hitting, and then there was fucking zero police presence. And there were keeping all these businesses locked down. And all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under.

1:47:51The comedy store was going, was fucked. We're letting them host any shows. There was no stand -up to be done. And we came out here in May of 2020. And initially, I was thinking, maybe we'll get a vacation house and we could visit here and go. And then my kids wanted to live here, like right away. Because when we were in LA, everybody had a mask on and you couldn't go to a restaurant. We came out here, we're eating at a restaurant in May of 2020. And I remember my kids, like, I can't believe we could sit down in a restaurant. We don't have to wear masks. Like they checked your forehead when you get in there at the temperature.

1:48:23It was all nonsense. Like, what's your temperature? Like, sure. And then you sit down and you eat. And everybody was fine. And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything. They're like, yeah, no restrictions. Go back to life. And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's going to die. What are you doing? And they kept everything locked down forever. He kept kids out of school forever. So we came out here. And when we came out here, we started doing stand -up. So I started doing stand -up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is outdoor venue. We did it very responsibly. We tested the entire audience.

1:48:55The audience had to get there an hour before the show. Everybody got tested. We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out the test of positive for COVID over the course of, like, however many shows we did there. And then we started doing shows indoors. And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing we really need a comedy club, like a real comedy club here. Because comics from LA started moving to Austin before I even had a club. Because they realized that I was doing shows here. And that we could all do shows together. So I'd like, come down, do a couple shows.

1:49:27So I'd fly them in. They do the podcast. They do a few shows at the club. And they go, this is fucking amazing. So we're doing comedy again. And then they started moving here. And then the comedy store was shut down. So because the comedy store was shut down, all of the best employees were unemployed. So I contacted the talent manager. I contacted the manager. I contacted the bar manager. I contacted all these people. And I said, hey, I'm going to open up a comedy club. But I want to hire you now. And so I'm going to pay you. You'll fly to Austin. I'll give you money to relocate. And then you'll get free money for like a year and a half.

1:50:07You'll get paid a full salary. You'll insurance everything. Just come here. And we're going to build this club together. And so everything aligned perfectly. So that when the club was open, we were dialed in. The people had already lived here. We had like carry. Our bar manager is amazing. And she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders. Brought everybody in. They got up and running. And we were smooth within a week. So it was like finding her though. Is that you or me? I knew her. Okay. She was a good friend. Yes, she is. She was my friend at the comedy store for years. Like we always hang out together and you know, have drinks after a club.

1:50:49She was just cool as shit. And she was really disciplined. And she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on. Because there's a comics bar at the comedy store. And it's literally Mitzi's bar. She has a bar from her home that is in the comedy store comedian's bar. And that was our place we'd go in between shows and after shows. And we would all hang out there and it was just fun. And it was just laughs and this and that. And I'm like, that's gone now. When we're in Austin, I'm like, I need to recreate that. And I needed carry.

1:51:25I needed Adam who was a talent coordinator. He needed all these different people that understood how to run a club and had been doing it at the highest level at the store. And they were all available because they were unemployed. So it was like everything was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam. And so when people say, how'd you put together this comedy club? I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way. Because if I had a start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them.

1:51:58I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas. Yeah. But it was attractive three years ago. So overseeing it all is a kind of just, that you have high level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and stuff. The fun shit. It's not like that. Yes. I mean, there's a few issues that I have to deal with. There's some decisions that have to be made. And there's problems that have arisen. But nothing major. It's pretty manageable. But it's because the team is really good. And if I didn't have good people, and also people that are legitimately my friends.

1:52:35Like if we never work together again, I would still call them. We'd talk. We'd hang out. They're all my friends. So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy. It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up. Said, you know what the world needs? Is a new hub of comedy. And I think you could do that. So we're going to like align all these things. You could do this thing that's completely separate from Hollywood. Which was always the problem in California. You would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows.

1:53:12And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say, hilarious, funny shit. That was like really risque. They curved that. And they started becoming a little mediocre. Just a little soft around the edges. They nerfed all the hard parts of their act. Because they were connected to this machine. This fucking woke bullshit leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas, notions, and if you didn't, you were out. And if you, you know, you want to talk about Christianity or conservative, you're gone. They're not going to hire you. They're going to hire another person.

1:53:47You're not going to run the Daily Show if you're also running a white right wing website that uncovers political, you know, discrepancies in the Democratic party. They won't hire you. Do those shows still do well? No. No, they're dead. They're useless. I mean, if you go on the tonight show now, no one watches. It's like, it used to be when Johnny Carson was running the tonight show, if you were a comic and you got on the tonight show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country. Because 20 million people were watching. Yeah. And if you had a big splash with like a great routine, and they'd go, hey, he's going to be at the Charlotte Funnybone tomorrow night, and then people would go see you.

1:54:28And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was the tonight show. Now, it's a non -starter. It does nothing. It does nothing. What's the best way to get discovered now just like podcasts? 100%. YouTube videos, TikTok videos, podcasts. I mean, there's got like this guy had on the other day, Ralph Barbosa. Very talented young comedian. Just started putting some stuff out on TikTok. Went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts. Like he was trying to like middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson, some other comics that were more established. Two all of a sudden selling out like five shows in a row on a weekend.

1:55:08And then, you know, doing theaters. And like that, it went from struggling to killing it. And over a course of a couple of months. Yeah, it's like that Matt Rife as well. Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's exploded. Exploded. Yeah. And all just from crowd work videos and, you know, stuff that he puts on TikTok and YouTube and Instagram. So in general, maybe it's a stupid question, but people who are at, you know, you're the comedy, it's the mothership, right? Was it all again? Comedy mothership. Yeah. Okay, so they're performing there on a semi -regular basis or what have you. What material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly?

1:55:49Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff that is, you know, your... Oh, putting it up on Instagram stuff like that. Yeah, because it's like guys like Matt Rife, for example, their crowd work videos go bonkers. Yeah. But then I'm assuming that stuff is not part of the actual like main thing. Right. So, and this is like a totally inept, you know, not... No idea how this works. That's why I'm totally oblivious in asking like this. But is it only testing new stuff and crowd work at these shows or like how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these...

1:56:22These videos? Yeah, or like even when they're performing at your place. Or they hesitant to use good jokes because it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something. Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff like... Especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd. Like Andrew Schultz is great at that. He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd. And he's really good at crowd work. And so, he'll put these videos up. But he also has really good stand -up material. Some of these guys are good at working the crowd, but then their material's shitty.

1:57:02Like the best guys are like Andrew. Like Schultz is great at stand -up, like regular stays, materials brilliant. And also, he's great at fucking around the crowd because he's real loose. So, he'll make a lot of videos of just crowd work. Those videos go viral. And then, he eventually puts the material together where he puts out a stand -up special. That makes him even bigger and then it all compounds on each other. That seems wild how people could be like situationally funny. Yeah. Like, context dependent. So, like, what if you're the guy who's good at crowd work, but not have good material or vice versa?

1:57:40There are guys like that. Yeah. There's both kinds of guys. Yeah. There's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart. Yeah. You know, that's a that's a crutch too. That's not good. You don't want to be in that situation. You want to be loose. Yeah. Or when something goes down, you can go, what? What are you talking about, man? Like, what is it? And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit and we keep people from interrupting. The most important thing is the stand -up and the environment that the comics are able to be comfortable and doing their material.

1:58:13So, it's the best show for everybody. So, if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show. They'll, I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit that as it's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it. So, that bit's done now. So, you have to abandon it. So, you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out. I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like synthetically create crowd work situations. Oh, I'm sure they do. I'm sure that's the case. But the best guys don't need that.

1:58:50Like guys like Shultz, he doesn't need that. He doesn't do that. He just, he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and joke it around. He's super friendly. So, it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone smiling. You know, and it's great. No, I guess he's a skill set. You can't fake it. Like you can only get so far by fake it. You have to be genuinely, impulsively. Funny to make that work. Right. And he's genuinely, impulsively funny. He also has a shitload of charisma, which also adds to that. Because it's like everyone's enjoying it. It's like a good time. And he's really, he's kind spirited.

1:59:27So, he's not mean while he's doing this. And even if he says something mean, he says it in a way that you're laughing. And then he's like, I mean, I don't mean anything bad by it. And it's like, you got to like him. But what the comics that the mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights. So, people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform there. And they get a couple of minutes. And if you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and this is how much material have you got, how long have you been doing it.

2:00:02And then maybe you'll get on Kill Tony. And Kill Tony is the cornerstone of the standup community. Because Kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute. And you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience. They pull your name out of a bucket. And then they read it and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down. And Tommy Jones gets on stage. And people have careers from that now. Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery. They're headlining on the road selling out weekends. And it all came out of this show. And one of the things about the show is you only have one minute.

2:00:43So you don't have any time to fucking to be virtue signaling or to be to get clapped or or woke or to talk about your trauma. Shut the fuck up and be funny. You have one minute. So it teaches you economy of words. You got to get to the point quickly. You got to edit your jokes well so they're not rambling. And you'll see people that don't know how to do that too, which is also awesome about the show. Because they'll, you know, Tony and the gas will just destroy that person. And make fun of it all. And it's like a roast. Yes. Oh yeah, 100%. And Tony's like the best roaster alive. So he's like the perfect host for this kind of a show.

2:01:21But so that is our Monday Night Show. So every Monday night we have Kill Tony. It's packed. It sells out six months in advance. It's an amazing show to go watch if you're in town. It's so fucking funny. And it gets better every time. And he's got like this amazing band. These local artists, local musicians that play in the band. And they're really fucking good. And so the whole show is just, and he's been doing the show for 10 years. So it's just super dialed in. What's the wait list like to be on the, you know, the open mic? The wait list. I don't know. The wait list to be on Kill Tony is anybody can sign up hundreds of people sign up every week.

2:01:58And they only pull like three or four. Get the put like a audition or like some sort of breakdown. Nope. Not for Kill Tony. All you have to do is write your fucking name down. Damn. Yeah, you write your name down. It goes in the bucket. They pull your name out and then you're on. Yeah. And every now and then you get a banger. Every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill in the audience. Loves them and you're like, holy shit, man. There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone. So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker. And he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker.

2:02:37And he has his phone with talk to text. So he will type very quickly and you only use one hand like his other hands fucked. So he's using his one hand and typing out a response. And then it'll play out through the phone. That's crazy. And he's fucking hilarious. Was he on America's Got Talent? Yeah, he was on the finals. Yeah, kids in America's Got Talent from Kill Tony. Huh. Yeah. How popular are those shows now? America's Got Talent? Still? Yeah. Yeah, I think those are pretty pro. I always wonder like the real thing. This is the kit. See how his left hand is like completely fucked. Yeah. I'm sure you can get the excitement in my voice.

2:03:17It's not working. It's not working. Sorry. I got a text and my phone died. Please hold.

2:03:26Hi. I'm so happy to be back for the finals. I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice.

2:03:34This is part of, I heard Rabi and explain that. I had to compete again. They had some audio issues during this final that kind of following his whole bit. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Dude, have you seen Simon Cowell recently? Yeah, what's going on with him? I don't know, man. He looks worse than Aaron. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, uh, I feel like there's a point where the plastic surgery, no matter how little of wrinkles you've managed to. Jesus. That's probably a generous picture compared to some of the ones I've seen. Well, he used to be a good looking guy. Like that was what he used to look like. Yeah. Right?

2:04:11And now, show what he looks like now. Like what? What is like, eyes are sinking. Is, is forehead looks bowtoxed? Looks like he's got some fillers in his cheeks. Yeah, the thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like objectively. You couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just like does. Even though there's no wrinkles at all. Look how good he looked back then. Handsome. He also went on a vegan diet too. Oh, really? Yeah. And didn't you like get significantly hurt? Yeah, he got into a bad accident. I think I'm like an e -bike. Yeah. He fucked up his back and I needed surgery.

2:04:54Yeah. Well, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Well, maybe when you see people like that, it's a combination of multiple things. So if he's on pills because of his surgery, he might be like, you know, and then he's got bowtox and his, uh, just get old, buddy. Some of the old and keep you smile. Some of the celebrity stories about why, like some injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did though. It's like obviously manufactured and totally fabricated. Oh, really? Like Zach Efron have you seen this before and after? But isn't that just he got juiced up to move?

2:05:28No, dude. No. Look at his face before and after and you'll be like, what the fuck? The cow will announce he, okay, he began eating animal -based foods again in order to rebuild his strength. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. Hmm. Where we heard that before? So he felt, he broke his back when he fell off his electric motorcycle. Oh, yeah, the motorcycle. Hmm. Many press sources confused with an electric bike. The incident occurred when he was testing in his home in Malibu, taking the hospital, underwent back surgery overnight. Oh, serious shit. After the accident, he began eating animal -based foods again in order to rebuild his strength.

2:06:03Like, but clearly he's got some Botoxy thing, filler thing going on with his mug. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how old he is. There's a difference between like watching someone age, which is, you know, oh, he looks old. To what are you doing? Yeah. Like Madonna. Yeah, it's not even a human anymore. It's like, when you see, well, I guess Madonna's. Maybe that's what I'm saying. Someone said that Madonna had gotten plastic surgery on her face. And then when they saw her that one time at the Grammys, her face was swollen still. And then it hadn't gone down yet. Apparently, when you really get a lot of nip in and tuck in, it takes a long time.

2:06:40That guy's a ton. It happened from a fall. Oh, yeah. It was like. He had his jaw wired. Ten years ago, but. Breaking in a fall. He almost died in 2022. Or he revealed he had to almost died in 2022. During the incident, almost died by breaking his jaw. And then it was responsible for facial swelling. Apparently apparent in the viral 2021 video for Bill Nies' Earth Day musical. Basically in a couple of years ago, he showed up looking unregionizable. And then he claimed it was from an injury 10 years ago. Well, it says he had a potentially life -threatening illness, a form of typhoid, or similar bacterial infection, while filming the adventure series, killing Zach Efron and pop out New Guinea.

2:07:19Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. He's a lot of... Someone was telling me that he looks different. I thought he just got super jacked with the movie. Zach Efron faced before and after. He's talking about his face as messed up. Is because of the jaw being we wired? Like, he definitely took shit for his recent role. Like, there's no question about that. But it's like, this is beyond, dude. It's like... So he didn't get plastic surgery as well. Oh, heavy duty. Yeah. Like, what kind of stuff? Look at that. Hmm. Like, tell me that's from hitting your jaw and a fountain. Wow. Yeah. Well, that to me looks like Roy's.

2:07:54That... That's like Camille Nangeani. That same sort of thing. Well, that looks... That looks very different. It's like actual mass accumulated, not just body fat loss, and it's not like his. He's gained muscle for the recent role, but his face, even when he's out of prep for body type roles, he still has... Looks the same. Hmm. So, yeah, like, Camille, obviously, he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face. So there is... Yeah. Some development there, but this is like... Next level stuff, dude. Hmm. At least I think so. And I think a lot of people think the same. He definitely looks different.

2:08:31Yeah, like... It's... Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you think he's got going on here? Like, cheek implants? Like, what is it? Um... I think... I think there's like... Fillers you can get to make this bone pop out way more. Make it look like there's more structure to it. And that seems to me pretty clear there's some sort of fillers or something. And that's what you see in the cheeks? Uh, potentially, but I think mainly the jaw area. It's just so much more substantially pronounced. It's a... I don't know. You couldn't chalk it up the roads. Hmm. So maybe when his jaw broke... Like, to gain that much mass on your face and then not proportionally on the rest of your body, it would make no sense.

2:09:15Hmm. He said he slipped hit the corner of a fountain, passed out and woke up with his chin broke hanging off his face. Whoa. Yeah. Hmm. In 2013. Yeah. So... I don't know. Anyway, it's like... It's weird too though, because the guy is objectively one of the better looking guys in Hollywood before whatever he did. So it's like what would have... What in your mindset would have motivated you to do this, to begin with? Like, obviously... Well, I've seen it with women many, many times. Where... Oh, yeah, they like fuck up their lips or whatever. Yeah, they just start going in. Yeah. And then a little bit of this, my nose a little too long.

2:09:58And this is girl that I knew and I hadn't seen her for a while. And I saw her like two years later and looked like someone punched her in the face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because she just had swollen cheeks because she decided to put filler in her face. And I don't know her that well. So it's not like I can say, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Like, don't do that. Like, whatever you're doing, you gotta stop doing that. Yeah. So it was just one of those things like, okay, this is what you're doing now, huh? You just like... You know what, it makes like this stick up and that takes away the crow's feet.

2:10:34You know, because it like stretches everything out. Right, right. But it also makes it look like your face is swollen. Yeah, it's weird because it's like, I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young, even though they were young to begin with and looked young. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. Well, you know, it's body dysmorphia. You don't see yourself the way other people see you. Yeah, by the same token, why would a guy take... Why do you want to gain a bunch of muscle and take steroids or anything?

2:11:06Could be seeing just as fucked up by... I don't know. I think when guys get jacked, it looks good. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I've just... It's a difference. Sure. I'm just saying, like, there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels for sure. Well, if there was something available for women, like there is for men. Like, so men can take steroids and they can get jacked. Yeah. And you can get a guy that is just, you know, a fucking pre -normal looking physique. And within 24 months, he looks like a fucking superhero. Yeah. Men want that. If there was a thing like that for women where you could take this and instead of like cosmetic changes, you would literally be more of a woman.

2:11:43Because these guys are actually physically stronger, they can move faster, they have more power. They're a different version of a human being than they were before. But women don't have that. They just have appearance, shit. You can make your tits look bigger. You can suck your waist in. You can get your ass stuffed with fat. And it's not the same. There you go, Jeff Bezos. I don't know if he did, but if you could go from that, looking like that. Yeah. I fully support his jackedness. I like the way he lives. Yeah. But when you think about, if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has, you know, like a twiggy body, just like kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into genophilopus.

2:12:32Yeah, they would all take it. Yeah, but I think it's less, more, less well known and educated about at scale among women in order to they care to learn about it. They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys, we like, we follow bodybuilders and people in fitness industry and what not. It's a bit of a different like exposure, I feel like, but it's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fakes and thetic fucking blubber. Right. You know, so it's a whole different element of mindset for sure.

2:13:07Well, have you seen the Madonna videos of her on tour now? Have you seen these, Jamie? Yeah, I'm a sender stick because it's fucking bananas. Like, I don't know what the hell she is doing, but it is very strange. Here, look at all the, you know, she's in her sixties. Like, probably deep in her sixties, right? Here, I'm a sender stick, Jamie. But I mean, it looks like she's wearing a fucking diaper. Here you go, I've sent it to you. This is something that's, this is madness. I mean, like, she's thin. I bet her body would look good if she just was this 65 year old woman who's thin and fit. But instead, look at her butt.

2:13:55Oh, geez. Yeah, what, what's going on there? That is so insane. It's so insane because first of all, it doesn't make sense. Like you could not develop an ass like that and have such thin thighs. It's not possible. And the only way that looks good to have an ass like that is to have those fucking quarter horse thighs that go with it. Yeah. Like, when you see a woman who has a big butt that she's developed from squats and then she has the legs that go with it, that's hot. Yeah. That's hot. This is just fucking sad. And also like when she moves around on stage now, she moves around like someone with arthritis.

2:14:32Yeah, I wouldn't even know how you could focus on your performance knowing that you have like a fucking diaper sitting on you. You know? It's like I'd be thinking about, does this look, you know? Yeah. Well, I think she's probably delusional at this point. Yeah, that would be. I mean, you got to imagine what it's like. You go from being the object of total desire to everyone. Like when Madonna was 27 years old, she'd walk in her room every day like, holy shit, it's Madonna. She was so hot and she had this incredible body and she was so talented and she was just desired by everyone. You go from that to being a monster.

2:15:11Yeah. Yeah. You mean, when you see her and the Grammys, when her face was all swollen, you've seen those images? I think so. Yeah. Those are extreme because they were so nuts that that was the entire topic of conversation for most people after the Grammys. It was like, what the fuck did Madonna do? Oh my God. Yeah. That's wild. That's wild. I mean, that's pure insanity. It's like Adam's family should. Exactly. It's all fillers and I mean, your head is not supposed to be that big. Like, why is there a chin stick out that much? Hey. And that's all things that were done to mitigate. Yeah. That's what she used to look like.

2:15:48Crazy. Yeah. So that was her when she was young. So she goes from that to being that and what is that? Well, that's the worst journey that a person whose identity is wrapped around them being attractive can ever go through because not only that, your father times fucking you and then you fucking yourself by trying to compete with father time and now you're becoming a monster. Yeah. So now when people see you, instead of going, whoa, that's Madonna, they're like yikes. Yeah. It's a cautionary tale now. Yeah, that's like, and overshadows their musical achievement. Yeah. Sure, too. 100 % because then it becomes a subject of attention.

2:16:28Yeah, like Michael Jackson. Exactly. Exactly. Like, what are they doing now? What's this? Yeah. The Michael Jackson one is the greatest example for sure because it was so nuts. Yeah. I mean, his nose caved in and there's pictures of him. It looks like some skin grafting around his nose because it's collapsing. Yeah, there was some speculation around if he was like castrated as a child, too. Yes. That was what his doctor said. The doctor that was convicted of giving him what was it, propanol? He used to take anesthesia to put himself under because he couldn't sleep. Have you ever heard of the Kastrati?

2:17:07Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I suspect that he, similar to them, is like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angelic kind of like singing voice. That's what his doctor said. Yeah. His doctor said that his father had done chemical castration on him, which is what they do to some sex offenders. They give him chemical castration and they did it to him while he was going through puberty so he wouldn't develop a deeper voice. Which then begs the question, too. There's all this like, all the scrutiny on him for the pedophilia stuff. It's like, did the guy even have sexual desire at all?

2:17:42Right. It's kind of weird. I think probably a lot of that stuff was. He was emotionally stunted. They say that like your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous. So if you're a child star, you're kind of fucked for life. Yeah. I don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed. Every child's, the child that started to wear sat down and talk to everyone I've ever met in the real world, they're always fucked. They're just, I've met a lot of really cool actors. Like you hang out like Scott Eastwood. If you were hanging out with Scott Eastwood, he's like a regular guy.

2:18:21You would not know that he's a movie star. Chris Pratt, completely normal. I've been around that guy a couple dozen times. I'm in mixed company. I've been in Elcunton camp with him. He's super normal. Just a cool guy. There's people that are like that that make it through fame and they're still cool. They're fun to be around. Matthew McConaughey. Great guy. Great guy to be around. Wise and says a lot of cool shit. He's very interesting. But you can hang with him. He's not weirdo. He got famous pretty young. But he's smart. And he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man.

2:19:03But there's a lot that don't, man. There's a lot that they become famous at a young age and they're just fucking broken forever. The Corey Feldman's of the world and the, you know, fill in the blank. There's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults. They, they, it's like someone made concrete, but they didn't put all the water in. Right, right. And so the concrete is just brittle and just, this isn't that structured to it. They didn't go through the normal process of being a young person, trying to figure out your way in the world and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happen and realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then he developed this process and then you mature over the learning experiences and become a person.

2:19:48You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man. You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young. You're fucked. Yeah. You're fucked. Everyone who does it is fucked. Yeah, yeah. It's some people, I haven't met any like huge celebrities really, but some of them, you can just feel more relatable when they speak even in the, I don't know, conversations that are published online and whatnot. Yeah. And especially in podcasts, when you see them show up, you can sort of see if that's a person that even has like a human interaction capacity with a average joke kind of thing. Yes. Yes.

2:20:22Some of them, they'll do podcasts and you can tell that they're in like PR mode and they're putting together, it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing. Yeah, yeah. And with actors, you never even know if it's acting the whole fucking time anyway. Right. You kind of know. Do you? Yeah, because they're off script. And then, you know, if I feel like someone's acting, I'll, I'll prod him about little things. I'll try to get him to talk about ghosts. I'll try, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, like what, what ridiculous shit do you believe in? You know, what do you think?

2:20:53Do you believe in the healing power of crystals? You know, like there's something you could fuck with them a little bit and maybe antagonize them slightly, like joking around and see how they react to that. Just try to get them off of whatever they're on, whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared, that you, you know, you think is going to be a good monologue that's going to get you to relate to people like what else? Yeah. I definitely think a lot of now, obviously, this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy, but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcast that they've been invited on that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while, because it's like certain guys they'll have like a weird mystique around them.

2:21:36And they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild like, I don't like Tom Cruise, for example. Yeah. You can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know him probably or of like, I don't know if he's ever done public stuff. Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the today show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine and that, you know, the anti -depressants are terrible for you and he was talking about Brook Shields and, you know, and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete cook.

2:22:11So is he like the head of Scientology or like what is that? It seems like it. Yeah. I don't even know what it goes into that or what can be said about that without getting fucking assassinated. Well, there's the main guy and then he's got this wife that seems to be missing. That was his David Miskevich. Okay. So he's got this wife that there have been no sighting of her for like over a decade. Holy shit. Yeah, there's some weird shit going on. Like Scientology is wild. Like in my mind, I picture Tom Cruise in like an emperor Palpatine hood like walking around a palace of like Scientology people.

2:22:47And I'm assuming that's not what happens. I was assuming it is. Okay. He never know. I was, I mean, did you ever see the time where he receives an award, some sort of like greatest human ever award? And he gets like way bigger than the Olympic gold medal. It's like a fucking dinner plate, a gold dinner plate around his chest and they salute Elron Hubbard to L .R .H. Have you seen that? No, I haven't. It's leaked internal video of one of these celebrations. Whoever leaked it's dead for sure. Yeah, they killed that guy. They threw him off the fucking seaworth. Fed up to the sharks. See if you can find that video because it's so bonkers.

2:23:25He gets this fucking award for being like a really good actor. So look at this. This is like Tom Cruise. The freedom medal of honor of valor. Freedom medal of valor.

2:23:42So I guess this is cell phone footage. Look, this is saluting. This is like the real live stream. Yeah. It was taken or something. Yeah, somehow or another, somebody got a hold of this and put it out to the general public. So David Miske, which is giving that fucking dinner plate. He's got his deck. He's giving the freedom medal of valor to the mission impossible guy. And everyone's cheering. They salute each other, which is my favorite part. So Elrond Hubbard is a fictional author that is dead, no? Or is he a yes? He's dead. Not only is he a fictional author, he is a guy. Please put his speech up here.

2:24:25We'll talk about Elrond. Give me here. Say something. This is so crazy. Look at him. International Association of Scientologists.

2:24:44We got Aaron Horns and everything.

2:24:50So he's the top dog. Yeah, that's what I would think. Try and skip ahead and say six times. Yeah, how long did they cheer for? Yeah, I think. It might be like North Korea. We have to cheer or they kill you. You're welcome.

2:25:09I'm really, really honored to be here with you. Thank you so much. That's the whole speech. Thank you for your trust. Thank you for your confidence. Like this is acting. Yeah. In me, I've personally been very privileged to see what you do to help to protect to serve all of us. See what's that mean? Protect and serve. You protect my fucking gay rumors. I don't know. It's pretty cookie, but at the end of it, they salute Elrond Hubbard. And they say to LRH and they all like point to his fucking photograph and they salute it, which is one of my favorite. There it is. Like what does this? 12 or 8? Elf's dead of its loot.

2:26:06OK, so Elrond Hubbard was not just a writer, not just a writer of fiction, but the single man who wrote the most fiction in human history. He has the most published words of any human that has ever lived. And if you ever read his stuff, this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. They are terrible books, terrible stories. It's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read. Like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down. And it was, I think he initially wrote for those pulp magazines, like science fiction magazines back in the day and then wound up writing, dionetics.

2:26:53And Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in Going Clear. I read the book and there was a HBO documentary series on Going Clear, all about Scientology. And it was all of it. A lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Lyremony, that at a certain important time, they were like, what the fuck am I doing? Like what is this? And especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge, and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just so obviously crazy. Like the Thetans came down and they're frozen souls and they threw them in a volcano and you're a container for this.

2:27:34But you only get access to this literature, if you're like, exactly. And somebody has released some of it. There's people that have released some of it online. Like you could find it. I don't know if Scientology's had that stuff removed. But today is Wikipedia. Okay, here's October 19th for American Judge issued a ruling, writing of Hubbard that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements. In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish, you know which ones were lies, you are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies at all.

2:28:11You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever, stick to your true adventures. Or if you wish, as you will, tell adventures which happened to others, people accept them better. I don't know what that meant. Oh, he wrote that to himself. He wrote it to himself. He also gave himself a bunch of medals. So there's a photograph of him wearing this seawork jacket on and it's littered with medals. He was fucking overseas. He claimed to have been wounded in combat but was never awarded a purple heart. He lied apparently about his military background and a bunch of different things. And it appears, at least what Lawrence Wright is saying that what he created Scientology for was sort of to self -analyze his own mental health issues.

2:28:57And he utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct dionetics. And dionetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. Like I bought it and this was like 1994. I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff and I was always trying to like better myself so reading self -help shit. So I see this commercial for dionetics. It was like dionetics. This book will unlock all the power of your mind. It's like the commercial, I'm like a volcano and all this different shit and like, oh, okay, let's try that out. And for years after I ordered that book, I don't think I've ever read it. I opened it up a couple times and I lost interest.

2:29:37For years, I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do. They would just use this mailing list. They got from the suckers that ordered dionetics and then they would just try to get them to join Scientology. Damn. It was like a big funnel system. Yeah, and it was super effective too because they were really good at recruiting famous actors. So they had a ton of famous actors. You know, it was obviously John Travolta and Kristi Ali and Tom Cruise and that famously chef from South Park, what was that guy's name? The singer. Isaac Hayes. So Isaac Hayes wound up leaving South Park because South Park was shitting on Scientology.

2:30:24So is this sort of like the steroid use celebrity thing where you just don't ask them about it? Like in interviews for like the Scientology people like you would think if I'm having a chance to talk to Tom Cruise or whoever else, I might ask a few things about this fucking, not, you know? Well, I think in order to get access to Tom Cruise, you have to be vetted as a person who's not gonna push him. You're not gonna ask him any weird questions about Scientology or anything. I think they're very controlling. And obviously getting an interview with Tom Cruise is a big get so you have to greet all these things.

2:31:01I would imagine that that's part of the program. That's just a guess though. But the point is El Ron Hubbard literally wrote that if you really wanna make money, you start a religion. That's crazy. And that's what he did. He literally, I mean. It's like the religion, all of his works consolidated or was it just a specific subsect of his random publishing. I think it's not all of his work because most of his work is just pure fiction. And then, you know, he had the stuff where it was at least Lawrence's right to search in this that he was trying to psychologically manage his own issues. So was his assertion that his fictional work is to be disregarded as connected to this and this is actually real?

2:31:41Yes. But meanwhile, his fictional work mirrors like the nonsense and his fictional work mirrors the nonsense and Scientology. It just seems so fucking kooky. Yeah. Like what do they believe? Like what are the fetans thing? Like there's something really kooky about what the underlying principles of Scientology and what their core belief is. At the point where some of the people in going clear, like they're talking about seeing it. This combines two of our favorite stories from this podcast, the Trapped in the Closet thing, Arkelly. Oh yeah. This is the Trapped in the Closet episode of South Park.

2:32:18Right. And it's Tom Cruise. Show yeah. Yeah. They show it in full cartoon. Oh, and they explain. Yeah, this is exactly on the screen. It says like this is exactly what's in their book or something like that. We'll play that then. People Lord Zee knew. Oh, oh, oh. All began. It isn't for people feeling sad and depressed and alien reason. It all began 75 million years ago. Back then there was a galactic federation of planets which was ruled over by the evil Lord Zee knew. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Zee knew thought his galaxy was overpopulated and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets and then had those aliens frozen.

2:33:01This is actually what Scientology believes. The Xenus Galactic Cruisers, which looked like DC -8s except with rocket engines. The cruisers then took the frozen alien bodies to our planet, Earth, and dumped them into the volcanoes of Hawaii. The aliens were no longer frozen. They were dead. The souls of those aliens, however, lived on and all floated up towards the sky. But the evil Lord Zee knew had prepared for this. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Zee knew didn't want their souls to return and so he built giant soul catchers in the sky. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The souls were taken to a huge soul brainwashing facility which Zee knew had also built on Earth.

2:33:41There the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material which tricked them into believing a false reality. Zee knew then released the alien souls which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion. At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies which they could grab onto. They attached themselves to all mankind which still to this day causes all our fears or confusions and our problems.

2:34:08Elrond Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth. Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off. But I don't know any of this stuff. Neither did Elrond when he started. He said he just closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind. You can do the same. Just let it flow. Okay, I'll try. I just wish I could write my room but Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet. I know. We've sent Nicole Kidman up there to see if she can hurt her nose. No. So that's the thing that they found out when they reached the highest levels of knowledge. Has anyone come after your South Park in any significant way?

2:34:45Because it's like they, they're probably like the only show that has no holds barred will like fucking wreck you. Well, they're the only show that Comedy Central leaves alone too. Oh really? There's no way you could make South Park today if you were an unknown group of cartoonists. Yeah. No chance. It would never let you. It's too crazy. Yeah. But it's the only good show on the network. So they kind of have to let it go. Have you seen their depiction of Disney? Disney World and stuff? It's fucking comical, dude. Oh, it's the one. Mickey is this fucking tyrant over Lord and he like goes and beats up his employees and stuff.

2:35:20And he's just talking and it's high pitch Mickey voice and just swearing at his employees and stuff. Oh God. That's hilarious. Well, this is the one recently the Panda verse where Cartoon was replaced by a black trans woman or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great show. I mean, and it's been great forever. I mean, I saw the first South Park episode was a VHS tape. There was their little Christmas special. Like what would Brian Boytono do? And that was in like 95 or 96 or something like that. That's crazy. Yeah. They've been banging it out ever since then. I guess that's the upside of cartoon as you can keep the characters the same age and just run it in perpetuity.

2:35:59Yeah. And you can get away with wild shit that you could never get away with. Like remember when Paris Hilton and that gay teacher had a slut off, they had a whore off and he stuffed her up his ass. That's how he won. He literally jumped on top of Paris Hilton and stuffed her in his ass. Oh my God.

2:36:29I love how they don't even try to be careful about how they tip towing around it. They'll just say the actual names, have an actor who sounds as close to them as possible and just go full blown. Yeah. They're national treasure. They go hard. And they're so important. Because like one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore, there's so few comedy movies being made. You're never gonna see a tropic thunder today. Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies now it is but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie personally.

2:37:09It's been forever. It was like the hangover. Yeah. Yeah. Super bad. I mean, it's been a long fucking time. I went to Hawaii for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I saw the license plates and that was the thing reminding me of Michael Evans' fake idea. So I can sick movie. That was a great movie man. And you can't make movies like that anymore. Just too many people who come after you but South Park still does the same shit. They go as hard if not harder than ever before and without them, we wouldn't have it. Yeah. Not on a television show. Yeah. Have you seen the enhanced games? Oh, I've heard of that.

2:37:50Yeah, total tangent. But it's like, is it real? Is it happening? Apparently. OK. If so, tell everybody what the enhanced games are. So I'm not fully, you know, in to know about updates on it. But my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to stand up against the proposed corruption that is in the IOC and the Olympics system. Like basically you have these top tier athletes to prepare their whole lives to compete at these events and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in their, you know, whatever category they're competing in. And they'll be like essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has like a monopoly on it.

2:38:37And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it. So people do it anyway. It's a represent their country. It's a big pride thing. We've talked about the people who said they would take years off their life to win a gold. That's still very much a thing. But it's like we've also seen massive corruption among, you know, the testing organizations, certain countries getting around like the Sochi Olympics, for example, Icarus, great documentary to watch about that. We're basically certain countries are depending on how risky they want to be or how, you know, in depth they want to get what their, you know, doping regimens essentially get around the system and there's protections in place depending on which country they're in.

2:39:20And ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people. And they will, I don't know, selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot and just create this weird dynamic where, you know, you can't perform to the greatest capacity that you could because you have to remain within their narrow confines of what's allowed and what's not allowed. And then also that could be at the detriment even if your recovery capacity. Like there's a lot of compounds that you should be able to use even for recovering from injuries that are on the water band substance list that make no sense to be on there.

2:39:55Like even recently BPC 157 was added, which is fucking crazy when it's like essentially bioidentical. But yeah, it's like this organization, the enhanced games is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology, performance enhancement to the max. Interesting. So it's like whenever we talk about, oh, this guy popped for whatever and then, you know, a lot of us will say, I don't give a fuck if they take shit. I would just wanna see what the highest level of performance could be, let them do what they want kind of thing.

2:40:37This is that with Dr. Oversight apparently from high level individuals and they, they tell that it's gonna be as safe as it could be within the confines of, you know, pushing yourself to the limit essentially. So it's basically like the anti -Olympics, Olympics, and they're gonna hold their first event I've heard at the same time as the Olympics to basically cannibalize the watch time and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics and they have like cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure. Yeah.

2:41:16So they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well. Whereas the Olympics, you're kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not. Look at this. He's the fastest man in the world. He's broken Usain Bolt's 100 meter record, but the world isn't ready for him. The Olympics hate him. Come watch him compete in the 2024 enhanced games. Who's this person? Video says he can't show his face. So it says yeah right there, I can't show you my face. He's white though, so I'm skipping. That's crazy.

2:41:50That guy's faster than Usain Bolt, really. This also does a marketing video, so. Yeah, maybe it's just like this hypothetical person exists. Interestingly, it says new version of the video as Twitter decided to take down the last one. It's pen from July, so I don't know. Did Elon even own it then? When did he buy it? Yes. And Elon's in July, right? But yeah, it'd be worth maybe going in their site for a better summary of, but essentially, it's like sauce to the Gills Olympics versus and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want, but oversight from high level doctors to keep you as safe as possible.

2:42:29Cause oftentimes in the Olympics, people argue the safety capacity of it, but it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile, simply so they can circumvent the testing. So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you, just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one vector. Whereas here you could use actual testosterone, however much you need or want, or worth for a pointin within the confines of whatever is safe for you.

2:43:05Obviously there's risk for sure still, but it's a very interesting pivot that a lot of people have eyes on. It is interesting, but where is it gonna air? I don't know, they say they have partnerships being spun up with big broadcasting networks or something. I could be misbeaking on that cause that seems hard to coordinate when it's traditional media potentially. So I don't really know. Well if I was ESPN, I'd jump right on. Oh yeah, fuck. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, I want to see the freak show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah, I want to see the freak show. Yeah. And I think that, you know, the only issue would be disruption of the endoconsistent for young athletes cause if you are doing steroids, your body's gonna shut down production of testosterone, you can become infertile.

2:43:50Yeah, like there's ways, again though, when you have, you know, no holds barred, access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain. Like we know now that you can sustain fertility on hormones. Right. It's just something, like for example, when I first started taking gear when I was, you know, like over 10 years ago at this point, no one was talking about how you could take HCG concurrently with your exogenous anabolic to sustain testicular volume. And we were just told, if you want to get fertile again, at the time when you want to have a kid, just start taking the fertility drugs and then you'll be good.

2:44:27Little did we know, it's actually fairly important to sustain that testicular mass. Oh, as you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery. Because it's like, if the organ is literally atrophying, trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken atrophied triveled testicle versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure. It's like a night and day different. So like there's new education around a lot of this stuff that you would ideally be getting if you were one of the guys competing. But you know, obviously it's nuanced and up for interpretation.

2:45:06If that's like no one, I don't think would ever be a proponent of it being safe. Like I wouldn't say it is at all. Like obviously you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk, brain, and yeah, like your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff. Right. And you could obviously see if you will have it in hands games, if someone went super hypophysicological. Like that's - That's mouthful. Yeah. I figured you would be the guy to say that mouthful around. If you went over the top, you would have more performance, but also a lot more risks.

2:45:42Yeah, for sure. Like there's gonna be a diminishing returns and obviously when it's no holds barred, you're, you know, people are gonna push it. But my understanding is, I, you know, the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me, it might be worth connecting with them. But it's, I think the doctors are going to oversee and I don't know if they're gonna put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory, like, tone it back. Yeah. Cause then obviously you, then at that point you present a layer of doping of to get around the thresholds. So, so then it's like you have doping in the dope the Olympics, you know, which is interesting.

2:46:19So either way though, I'm interested to see the outcome. I've heard a lot of Olympic athletes that have been popped are competing. I've heard a lot of people that just want to compete and wouldn't have been able to in the Olympics because they want to be you shit or competing. They do a lot of people apparently interested. So, interesting. Yeah. If they do start breaking Olympic records, that will be wild. Yeah. That will be wild. Yeah. Well, you know, Foreign Script and Joyner, her record still stands, right? Don't they? Yeah, yeah. I don't know of which records have been rescinded other than, like, off the top, my head the only one that's notable that I would mention is like, Lance Armstrong is that everything rescinded and...

2:47:01That doesn't make any sense though. No, it's fucking... His makes the least sense. Yeah. Because you have to go back to 18th place to find someone who didn't test positive in some of his races. Yeah, like the wild thing. Yeah, like the wild script and Joyner. With, like, you're saying bolt to you, it's like, of all the people who have broken 100 meter dash records, he's the only one who supposedly is natural and he has the best record of all of them. Like, I suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario it's possible, but it's like, you know, what's the likelihood of he wasn't also, you know. Also, imagine who's saying bolt on some shit.

2:47:37Like full board, not just like finagling system, which is what a lot of people think he did, but no way to prove it. Right. Yeah, if you could just let that guy with superior genetics just go ham. Yeah. I think they need to break some world records to really get the attention too. Because it's like if they just have above average exceptional athletes compared to the average layman, but not exceptional enough to be, because you still even naturals that are at the peak of their... That's him beating everybody. Yeah, that's crazy. It's so, they're straining so hard. Yeah, it's just like, it's like in every sport, there are gonna be outliers that even naturally shit on guys who are doped as hell.

2:48:17So, like, it's certainly possible that they still fall short of world records even with the talent that's using fucking everything. So, to be determined how impactful it is and who's competing, I guess, but I'm gonna be watching regardless. Well, UFC went through one of the starkest contrasts when they brought aboard Usada, and you got to see people's physiques melt, like literally melt. You had to see their shoulders shrink, and Vitor, Belford's the greatest example of it. Because Vitor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you'd allow fighters beyond testosterone use therapy, but you're also self -administering.

2:48:52And he was going hard. He was going hard. When Luke Rockhold saw him, he was like, Jesus Christ, this guy's muscles on his fucking teeth. He was like, what is this guy on? And he had not just this incredible physique, but also a lifetime of combat sport skills and the mind for it. And then on top of that, this intense confidence, because he was basically not a human. I mean, he had levels of testosterone that no human gets to. So he was just fucking raging. Just no fear. And he gets to staining it through the horse training too. Exactly. That's the thing, we were talking about Jiu -Jitsu, like these Jiu -Jitsu guys before the show, I think we were talking about.

2:49:39These guys are training 365 days a year. And you don't do that, and train six hours a day every day without some gear. Like this is the only way you're gonna recover. You'll break everything down. You won't be able to recover in time for the next training session. There's a balance it has to be achieved. And when you start adding like hardcore antibiotics into that balance, like it shifts everything. And your ability to sustain work is just radically improved. What do you think about U -Sat, are you getting replaced? I don't know exactly what the new protocol is gonna be, but I have heard that they're not gonna let them take a PPC -157, and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

2:50:20So they're adhering to like the water band substance list presumably. Allegedly. But it could be, you know, like a little wink, a little nod. I don't know. I don't know how they're gonna do it. And only time will tell. I think this current administration's contract with U -SATA is still applicable for the next few months. Yeah, yeah, I think U -SATA standard protocols in place until January. So it is? Yeah. It's gonna be interesting. And you know, that's why I'm gonna turn to you to say like, what do you think's going on here? Yeah, I guess it depends how they document the positive test results too, because it's like back in the day, depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what, you know, scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed.

2:51:11And it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily. Right. And then U -SATA kind of took this different angle where they would kind of be a little bit more vague about it and then they would get some scrutiny about if they're covering up for certain people. But at the same time, they were like, you know, I'll be getting scrutiny for being hyper stringent where they'd like show up to guys places in the middle of the fucking night when they're trying to sleep. Yeah. And it's a very, as far as the new organization, their level of scrutiny and how it's gonna play out and how, I don't know, private, they're gonna keep the results.

2:51:47It's to be determined. But if they're following the same water, band substance list with the same kind of protocols, I imagine it's gonna be similar, but with, from what I understand, more scrutiny is testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals. So like, EPO, I think Navitsky said, they're gonna up their frequency of testing. Because, you know, some of this stuff at the end of the day, there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing. So it's like, are you gonna EPO test like every fucking sample of every single athlete? However many times a year, like some people are tested like, I don't know, I forgot what Yuri was tested.

2:52:24It was like some insane amount of time is per year. Are you gonna EPO test HGH, Isoform test them, you know, carbon isotope ratio test, are you gonna do that on every sample he's ever produced? Right. Probably not. So you gotta have some reproducible, economically viable strategy. But, I think they tested Yuri a lot because he's in recover from shoulder surgery too. Yeah, but then it's like, why isn't guys like, you know, Connor getting tested out the ass? Because he got out of the pool. Yeah, but even when he went back in the pool, it's like, Well, now he's testing. How frequently though? Well, I don't know, they just started testing him.

2:52:59Really recently. Guys, face definitely still looks a bit saucy. Well, he was jacked. And also, that's when you should do it. Oh, for you have something like a castrophic leg injury. I mean, he's got rods in his legs. He said, multiple surgeries. It's not just one. Yeah. And then, you know, it doesn't always heal right. And it breaks again, like Dan Hooker. He has a rod in his arm. He broke his forearm in a fight. I think it was the Jalen turnr fight. And so he had it fixed, how the rods put it, he just broke it again. So now he has to have a second surgery. He has to have, they're doing some new procedure to try to get the bones to fuse because the bones didn't fuse correctly.

2:53:40And the rods were the only thing holding it in place and it snapped. It's really weird how they justify certain compounds like I mean, in and out of testing, because it's like, you could abuse the fucking of it and fedamines out of competition, but then you can't use BPC. Like, how does that make any sense? It doesn't make any sense. It's all bizarre. And I think in a perfect world, professional athletes would utilize everything possible to get the best possible performance. Again, my only concern would be young people ruining their endocrine system. And then the possible mitigate, you know, there's real issues with overuse, like over dosing.

2:54:17Because if you tell someone, hey, if you take, you know, 100 milligrams of this thing, you'll have an improved performance, okay? What's gonna give me a stroke? Yeah. If I take 200 milligrams, what happens? Do I do, do I move twice as fast? Like, what happens? Yeah, and some of the weight cutting will get even more extreme with diuretic use. Right. Some of it will have a kidney failure's pre -competitions. Right. And then the question is gonna be like, what kind of testing protocol are they gonna use? Is it going to be random? Is it gonna be something you can game? Like, you know, I know who is the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time?

2:54:55Alex, right here you go. There you go. He was taking a bunch different shit. But they were taking testosterone gummies that would only stay in your system for a few hours. As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very, you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny. So, you know, with things like test, EPO, yeah, I've seen upwards of 50 % of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping. Like, knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of, you're getting microdosed EPO and we're gonna test you for it rigorously and still passing, even when they're trying to catch them via the study parameters.

2:55:36So, I think a lot of people are gonna be doing the same shit they've been doing. I think the scrutiny is gonna be similar probably, but perhaps more, like at least in the Vitzky's framing, like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests. But I don't know, I imagine it'll be similar, but I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other pro sports, which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast. Yeah, so I would imagine this can be a little more lax and I would support that. Yeah, I certainly support guys taking things to recover from injuries like Connor did with his leg injury.

2:56:14100%, no question about it. I'm 100 % all in on that. That's the only way. No one comes back from that. No one has ever come back from that catastrophic leg break. Yeah. The shin break, not a single athlete has come back from it and performed at the same level. Anderson Silva's the only guy who came back and fought multiple times. And he was not the same guy. Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know, like Connor's definitely got a win when he comes back. Yeah, it's kind of like his legacies, like not entirely hinged on it or anything, but I mean, he's got a lot to live up to to not just. Oh, yeah. But also, if you were a coach and you wanted to look at this in terms of a long -term career strategy, I would want a tune up fight.

2:56:59100%. I would not want him going right in there against Islamokachab. Yeah, he's still trying to go like balls deep and pick the hardest dudes. Oh, that's him. That's why he's a champion. That's why he's a warrior. I mean, he feels like he could just get, but one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poirier fight, the first one, the first set, the second fight, but the first one of the most recent ones where he got knocked out. Said I was inactive because it just, it caught up to me. I could feel it. I could feel it well's in there. My timing wasn't as good, you know. You need to be active to be at the highest levels of world -class mixed martial arts competition.

2:57:35I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world. Maybe he can do it, but if I was his coach and the option was available, I'd say, let's get someone who's not even in the top 15. Let's get some guy who is beatable, but a good test, we'll call it a tune up fight. You, we get to see how you perform. This guy gets an opportunity to beat Con Mcgregor. You get an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure, get your timing back, have that fight. Six months later, you have a big fight.

2:58:15Do you know when UFC 300 would be? I think that seems like a pretty big event that they would probably... When is that supposed to be, Jimmy? April. Is that too soon for him to be fighting? Well, there's a six month thing in the pool, right? So here we are in November. Contingent on... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in contingent on... Right, right. If you saw this out, maybe they don't have a six month thing anymore. Right. Good point. I wonder if he's a... Like, obviously, that's an event you would think he'd be in. I would think... You would definitely want him in that event. But then the thing is, here's a good question.

2:58:53If you give someone an exemption, you let them get out of the pool. And they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their shin break. What... How much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance? Because it's not zero. No, it's a... I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component. So it's like if you're able to... It's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of, oh, your bench press went up by X amount. It's also... How many more hours were you able to train relative to your competition because of this?

2:59:34Right. That's that many more hours working on X skill, this skill that... Right. Doing your endurance, whatever. You're able to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your skill, I don't know, sustaining or development. So as far as the studies go for... The tension of what's called myonuclei, how much you can actually bank up from steroid use, it doesn't seem to be something that's gonna sustain for, I don't know, in perpetuity. Like we once thought, it's kind of finicky if that's actually something that happens or not. Like a lot of people will still shrink back down when they come off, but...

3:00:11He's competing pretty soon after being like, what appeared to be pretty fucking full board. Like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional, you know, Conor. Yeah, he looks like a light heavyweight. Yeah, it was like, to me, his face looked like the first time a guy takes gear. Oh wow, you've gained like 15 pounds of water. Yeah, yeah. Everything got big. So yeah, like it didn't even look like it was an attempt to do it in a, you know, I'm trying to micro dose way. It's like a real cycle, seemingly. Right. So, and why not if you're not being tested in the exam? Yeah, and it's probably fun.

3:00:46Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. For sure. But the question is like when it comes to performance, like physical abilities, strength, power speed, you don't go back to zero. So if you retain some of it, like how much of it? That would be so speculative. So I think it's speculating. Like let's say a guy takes one cycle of testosterone at like a traditional amount that guys use. Like 500 milligrams is a pretty common like bodybuilder starting level cycle. Is that per week? Yeah, 500 milligrams per week. So that's like, you know, three to three and a half times what a traditional TRT dose would be.

3:01:27That would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength and you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as the residual leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training, subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non fluctuating values other than the bleed out time. So this size difference. Yeah, it's wild. Look at it with 2022, he's fucking massive.

3:01:59The face difference is like the most staggering thing to me too. Look at his neck. So weight cut, I don't know how to say this. Yes, dude, that's shot with him on the bottom left. Yeah, with his arm around the dude. Yeah, they cut off his quads, but his quads looked fucking nutty in that picture. Yeah, the one where it shows him at the bottom of those three photographs, Jamie. That is when he made weight for 145 though. Oh, skeletal. Yeah, he was literally starving himself. That's wild. He was starving himself. He looks like one of those like pirates of the Caribbean monsters. Yeah, that's what he looked like back then.

3:02:35So yeah, I think that, you know, within the span of competing within a year, like you're going to retain, it would take, depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system, depends on the ester chosen. Like I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone, probably a testosterone ,cipionate. For example, so that like determines how long it will hold, take to metabolize out of your body. So that one has close to a 10 day half life. So that would take 50 days, essentially, to clear out of your system. So for him, if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, like you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter, for sure.

3:03:14And whether it's gonna be 100 % or 0%, you know, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, you know, the interest. You're gonna lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly though. Like a lot of that blood volume water attention will dissipate within the first number of weeks. And then after that, you're kind of, whatever tissue you've accumulated it will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he, maybe 25 to 50%. But that's, you know. Do you think the attitudes about this stuff are changing because it used to be, you know, the Barry bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, they're cheaters, these guys are cheating.

3:03:53Do you think that the perception will change as the use of these things gets accepted more? First, maybe with peptides, then with some other things. And they would realize like, look, sports are all about watching people do the greatest fucking things that's physically possible. Why are we stopping them from using modern science to do this when we use modern science to enhance every other thing? Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like, all this thing is not, you know, you're a, it's like frowned upon if you're using it. But platforms that are educational and provide insight into the realities of the pros and cons, I think are becoming more widespread and viewed and the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases.

3:04:48So like with a BPC 157, the only thing you'll hear from, you know, WADA is how it's banned and it's performance enhancing. But then you'll hear guys like us who we talk about, hey, this is literally essentially a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut. So it's not like some synthetic, you know, form a sketch drug. In addition, it's pretty well tolerated given the anecdotes we have. There's not like human literature but very impactful on recovery. And it's, you know, we know tons of people who've used it with great success. And it's like, I don't know anybody who's used it that has had a problem.

3:05:24Yeah, so now that's not to say it's risk -free because it's like pro angiogenesis, which would be cancer cell promoting in the wrong situation in context. But like in general, there's more education than ever and it continues to accelerate, bringing attention to the validity of, you know, even the stem cells that you can only get out of the country. Like where are you gonna hear about that shit at scale other than a platform like this? Right. Like you would probably get scrutinized the help if you were talking about that in like a traditional mainstream medium. Like that's illegal in the US. 100%.

3:05:54And then, you know, that's one of the most important things I think about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tip toe around these things. You're just completely open and honest about them and that encourages other people to do the same. And then you're also really well read on these things. So these discussions get had in a form. And then when you're talking to like guys like Huberman or Peter Atilla, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms behind all these things are. So it gives people, I think right now, we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are.

3:06:33Yeah, no, absolutely. And I hope more people continue to seek education and it's great to see like the more mainstream adoption from guys like Huberman and Atilla, because you know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional scientists to go like against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as, you know, for research purposes or things of that nature or you know, it's illegal in the US. So it must be bad. It's like, well, maybe look at both sides of the equation. Yeah, for sure. But listen, man, it's always cool to talk to you. I'm glad you're out there.

3:07:07And you are the poster boy for, if you look at like low production value, but a high reward. I mean, you have a fucking air conditioning system. Do you still have that in those videos? Oh, it's the same, man. His wood panel and an air conditioner behind you. And you know, it's super successful. So I'm really happy for you. And I'm really happy you're out there because I've learned a lot of shit from you. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. My pleasure. More plates, more dates on YouTube, Instagram, everywhere. Yep, that's it. All right. Thanks, brother. Appreciate you. All right. Bye, everybody.