#2077 - Tim Dillon

27:50It enables us to bring you a global perspective 24, seven right from the heart of our AI native newsroom. All presented by our team of AI generated reporters. Maybe you hear the words artificial. Wait, is that a real dude? No, no way. It may be at one point was, but that's this is AI generated movement talking, blinking, all that. Oh my God. I say, maybe this is so dystopia. Maybe do AI news though, because the reality is, most people can't do much about the news anyway. Right. So AI news, where you just kind of make up stories, right, might be the future, or you might heavily, um, sensor, what you want.

28:41And people could choose their own news. Yeah, that's what people are kind of doing. That already kind of doing that already. They choose their own news. My aunt chooses her news. In her news, Donald Trump has been running the government for the last four years. He speaks to the generals directly by doing his been dead for a while, which by the way, that's harder and harder to argue with her about. And in her news, Donald Trump will then come back to the throne. But he's still running anything that she goes anything. She tells us Thanksgiving. Because anything that could happen with China, Russia, Trump's doing the negotiation, not Biden.

29:18Did you see the Biden ear conspiracy? No, but I love it. This is ready. I love it. If you look at something in his ear, those of Biden, his earlobe hangs down. As he gets older, his earlobe is connected, which is impossible. That's odd. It's impossible. Like your ear, your ear doesn't change its position unless you get surgery. So what do we think? I think he had a face lift. Oh, definitely. 100%. Definitely. Which is, by the way, that doesn't work on guys. Right? No, it doesn't. It doesn't make you look better. It just makes you look weird. Your face is shining. Who can you use? Russia has different doubles.

29:58He has body doubles. He has body doubles. But they 100 % can do that. They can do that with makeup. Like I've seen videos where a person is talking and it just looks like some weird old man. And they just grab their face and peel it off. Like their makeup they can do is like Hollywood stuff. Like stuff like Rick Baker could do. Sure. Like they have like real actors. I did some dumb cameo in a horror movie and they made my whole head. Yeah. They just made my head. They molded it. It looks exactly like my head. And they cut it off. Yeah. The special effects and the ability to do things like that is it's insane.

30:37And they can 3D print things now. Now the technology is so good. And the materials are so good. And these artists are fucking incredible. They can 100 % make you look like a totally different person. Oh for sure. And I guarantee you they employ some of those people. Like if you were going to have someone and they were like a CIA undercover person going into a terrorist organization, wouldn't you fucking have them dressed differently with the absolute different face? Why wouldn't you do that? Well the things that they're doing at DARPA and all of these things are so far from what we, you know, they had the internet in the 70s, right?

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32:44Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent and perfectly untamed. And this is our new stealth bomber. Yeah, this thing's insane. And can if you're rich enough, can you rent it out? You take it up? No, I don't think it has humans in it. Damn it. I think this is one of them, Jammy's words only, but it can carry nukes. Does it get it too, Jamie? He's sent me a different link. It has sent you a different link. Yeah, I realize it was some Caitlin Jenner thing. That's what I was saying. Caitlin Jenner's in a stealth bomber.

33:23Instagram is odd. It looks sometimes it just changes. She can fly. She does fly. That's really? Caitlin Jenner flies. She came to my Christmas party in LA and showed everyone her plane. Wow. She flies every, like every few days. She flies around. Interesting. That's a wild hobby. It's an interesting life. Yeah, for sure. It's an interesting one. Don't go on your phone when you're up in the fucking sky. I bet she is. I bet she's on the phone. I bet Caitlin Jenner's in that plane on her phone. Probably checking them. Tweeting about how much she loves Donald Trump. Because that's what she was telling everybody.

33:57That wild at my party she was going, you know what I'm saying? Nobody's patriotic anymore. I love Trump. And everyone's just like, great, it's fun. She's a fun archetype of person. Yeah. We're at the end of time. Yeah, check this fucking thing out. This is crazy. Check this thing out. This thing, it carries, I think, four nukes or six nukes. This is an animation here. I want to be fun. This is amazing. Yeah. And it, but the thing is, and that links that I sent you, I know, I know. Put the link because I want to play that because he describes all the things it does in terms of jamming radar. It's crazy with this thing.

34:36Was the first stealth in like the 80s or the 90s? I want to say the 90s, is that makes sense, Jamie? Yeah, but essentially 100 % radar proof. It cannot be detected except for with your eyeballs. This one right here. Holy shit. It looks sexy as fuck. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. So it has, it is able to analyze algorithmically the enemy's radar package, like how they're able to determine radar. And then it can fucking instantaneously send that information, not just radar, but so it can instantaneously detect the enemy's radar patterns. It can detect all of their troop placements, their aircraft carrier placements, their submarine placements with ground penetrating radar, and their armor placements, and immediately send a graphic of that back to every fucking other friendly force in the work space, or I'm sorry, in the battle space.

35:39Instantaneously, one of these, this fly over an area undetected, and we're like, all right, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, and this shit starts popping up. It also can carry six fucking nukes. This aircraft is essentially 100 % radar proof. Jesus. Well, we need it wild is that. Well, we need it, you know, that's why we're heading into perilous times. And we need something that can carry six nukes and invisible six nuke down, that can detect everything instantaneously. Yeah, but China's got it, and Russia's got it. They have good stuff over there. That's why we got to have that, right?

36:21I think that might be the top of the food chain. We'll see. We'll see. That might be the top of the Chinese. I wouldn't count them out. I wouldn't count them out. They go do a really good job of siphoning information that they might have stolen that fucker years ago. Corporate speed -hushed. They're trying to do that. They're so good at it. Well, also we let them in and we let them buy companies. Oh, yeah, which is wild. So to say this, by the way, which I think this is good, he's basically, and the real estate lobby's fighting him, he went out in Florida, it's like, we got to make it harder for Chinese nationals to just buy property here.

36:59Right. And then the real estate lobby's like, hey, man, you're fucking up a good thing. Yeah. For that. We like making money. We like earning commission. We like, and China is a huge buyer of US real estate. So all these real estate people, the black rocks, the, you know, are coming into Sanctus and going, hey, we can't have this. You have to let the Chinese play.

37:28It's real weird. You know, like they're, they can buy property, like a certain amount of property here in areas that were like, hey, isn't that kind of close to a military base? Like, yeah, isn't that close to the infrastructure? Well, they bought the world of a story, a hotel in New York City, which is where the president used to stay every time he went to New York. They bought it. Now he stays at the New York palace, but it was just a fun thing to do. They were like, oh, where is the president's day? Let's buy that. We're going to own that. And they own it. And they just flipped it to condos.

38:01They don't care. So the thing is so much of these cities, Miami, New York, LA, even Austin now, a lot of this real estate investment is foreign. People that are laundering money, watching money, hiding money. Yeah. And that's why the prices of real estate keep going up. No matter what happens, rates go up to 8%. It's still more money. A friend of mine who was telling me about this apartment building he lives in in Manhattan. Yeah. It's just filled with empty apartments. Oh, like super expensive, empty apartments. And it's just like Russian billionaires. Yeah. It's just Russian fertilizer magnets and Chinese amusement park tycoons.

38:40Just weird configurations of humanity. I wonder what percentage of those giant luxury apartments that are purchased are unoccupied. Tons of them. Tons of them. That's why tons of them are and people just stash money there in case the government in their country decides to get cute. Right. And I love some of that. And that's what happens. So when you walk around New York City, you look at all these buildings, right? And here's what you see. Cheers. No, you'll see three lights on. Yeah. You'll see three lights on in this massive billion dollar building. Cost of construction was a billion dollar.

39:21And there's five people home. Where is everybody else? Where are they? Are they at dinner? No, it was a scam. It's a vertical money laundering scheme. When I understood, because I was a tour guide in New York and I used to ask all these questions all the time. I go, so what happens to the Chinese people come here? And they go, well, we love Central Park. And they want to live there and they go, yeah, but you know, they spend maybe a few weeks a year. That's it. Some of them spend nothing. And a lot of foreign buyers will not just buy one apartment. They'll buy 10. Cheers. And they'll just stash their money.

40:00They'll have a floor of a building. Maybe they'll throw a kid in it and why you go, you go become non -binary and disgrace us. I'm going to stay home and run a business. You go to New York, become non -binary, have your moment, have your time. And we're going to sit back in China and chill. But a lot of times these things are completely empty. It's criminal, it's criminal criminality. It's wild. It's a good method to move money around though. It's really smart. Oh, it's really smart. And it's great because real estate is perfect to launder money. You can buy it with a shell corp. You don't have to buy it under your name.

40:39You can buy it under that. And by the way, you can disguise that shell corp with 100 other shell corp so that like nobody's going to go through. It's like a pad where they'd have to keep flipping pages to find the actual owner of the actual company. But wasn't this part of the problem with the Ukraine stuff? Oh, yeah, that was part of the problem. I don't know what you mean, but I am agreeing with 100 bun. Yeah, in the family, there was a bunch of shell corp so. Oh, yeah. Well, Hunter Biden's an attorney. Number one, and he did some financial investments, but he certainly had a very healthy budget for fun.

41:19And now he had a budget for extracurricular activities. And where does that come from? It's a slush fund that comes from a lot of shady dealings. This guy had no expertise in energy. He was working at, he's a consultant for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company. And now we've given you, Crane. I don't know what it is. It's an insane amount of money. I think the last count was, is it $170 billion? How much money have we given to Ukraine? And it's just interesting that that's the country that our president's son was having his little intern, Shabin. It's just a coincidence, dude. I know. Sometimes, coincidences happen, but it's no, we can't, you know what it is.

42:04It's like I, I watched the most, the worst people in the world, the people of Beverly Hills who like scream at valleys and yell at their nannies and they're not humanitarians. Right. Overnight they allowed Ukrainian flex. Yeah. It's interesting. They don't care about Darfur, the Sudan, anything going on in Africa. They don't care about any of the problems happening in countries like Yemen, but they all immediately decided almost overnight that the only humanitarian crisis worth caring about was the Ukraine. Well, when baseball seasons over, you start paying attention to football. That's what it is.

42:42What it is. That's exactly what it is. That's what it is. It's sports for dorks. Just how much aid is USN to Ukraine? Total 75 .4 billion. I don't think there's more. I think that's not more to, but this is, and you know how much this aid disappears. Well, is it funny that we're saying 75 billion? I think it's more like it's nothing. But how much of this aid disappears off the backs of trucks? Oh, it's 113 billion. I don't know. That's his past president. And by the way, you could start looking into how much of it is just evaporated. How much of that money's disappeared where it went? Well, there was this one story about this one guy who had pilfered off a billion dollars and they didn't even arrest him.

43:23They just made him resign. Yeah. And I was like, what is that story about? Yeah. I read the headline. I was like, I'm going to get to that eventually. Right. Did you, did you see that story, Jamie? Whenever you're dispersing money in a war, it's always strange because you have to pay people off. Oh, yeah. There's a, it's a perfect place for things to disappear. Money wise. One of my favorite moments during all this was the New York Times going after Candace Owens. Oh, sure. They just did that. For what they had reported. It's no, she's, they said to her, what evidence do you have that Ukraine has corrupt?

43:57And she said, you're fucking New York paper. Yeah. From just a couple of years ago, well, it's like 2017 or 18 million vice documentaries about how Ukraine was the home of white nationalism. The thing we were all, you know, supposedly, supposedly, this was the greatest threat to human civilization. Right. And we were told that every single day, this country, the Ukraine was a white nationalist country that had lots of these groups that fomented terror and were, you know, a terror and they were going to start working with the white nationalist groups in America. And that's what there was articles written about that.

44:34There were documentaries about that. All of that became went out the window. Do you remember when? Right out the window. Who was it? Was it John Stewart that gave that dude the award? He gave them a medal. Yeah. And I'm sure Stewart doesn't even know it's like this guy's a hero. You pin something on him, but they are, listen, they're a vowed neo -nances in that country. This is they have SS tattoos. This is not a conspiracy theory. It's not everybody. But that is of battalion is a huge force, you know, and that's so wild. It's wild. And it's one of the reasons people think Selinsky was going to sign those Minsk Accords and end this little civil war issue they had going on in the northern province in Dunbas.

45:21He didn't sign any of that. People think and people have, you know, pontificated that either those hardliners in the Ukrainian government and military go, you sign this, what kill you? Like if you use or the US State Department was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't sign this. You keep doing what you're doing. Oh, God. And if there is a war, we have your back. Oh my God. And this is, this has been, this is a well -known fact that everybody wanted some type of agreement early before there was a war with these northern Russian speaking regions and the government of Ukraine so that there was autonomy to a certain degree that they could speak the language, that they could have political parties.

46:07And again, I'm not saying that Russia is like, even though I do, I am spiritually Russian. Someone told me that and I have a Russian aesthetic. But that's not why I'm saying this. I'm just saying the facts are all there. And we've had this long bloody war in which every time this guy wants to negotiate or thinks about we go, don't, don't, keep going, keep fighting. We got you. And then, you know, Nikki Haleo, these people go, no, it's civilizational. By the way, nothing's regional. Everything's civilizational. Israel, Palestine, civilizational. It's odd. It's like, but wait a minute. That's been a regional conflict forever.

46:46Since 1946. They go, no, no, no, it's about values. It's about our values. So we got to send them billions of dollars and we might have to get involved because it's about our value. And you start going, wait a minute, it's about our values in northern Ukraine. So all of these little, and I'm not saying they're little, but all of these conflicts, we can't not get involved. We can't in some way. We have to be involved. We have to fund them. We have to give weapons because we convince everybody that all of these conflicts are a big battle for the future of civilization. And the next step is Putin is going to steamroll for Mont.

47:26He's coming to Vermont. You let him do what he's doing in the Ukraine. He's going to steamroll. He's coming to Aspen. You want to see what happens when Russia owns, like, and nobody thinks logically, like, maybe we like war. Maybe we just like having a constant business. Maybe Eisenhower was right. Yeah. But Eisenhower warned people when he was leaving office. I mean, that should be required listening to anybody that's confused as to why we're doing certain things. Right. They make, they're making a lot of money right now. And if they can keep this rolling, they're making great money. And I'm not making any of it from that.

48:09And if you could have some sort of motivation, you get some sort of motivation, like you're trying to save civilization. Oh, always. He's in justifies. So, oh, now, notice that when Saudi Arabia is killing Yemenis, it's not civilizational. That's not civilizational. But Ukraine, Russia is. And anything that goes on in Israel and Palestine is. But when the country of Yemen is being starved out, bombed and killed with money and weapons from the US through Saudi Arabia, that's not civilizational. That doesn't, that's not civilizational. But Nikki Haley's up there like, let's fight it. Let's go. China, let's go.

48:48Why do you think she's doing that? Because she wants. She always been that way. She wants the big money. And the big money people like when you get, well, she's a woman, so she's got to be top -top. Bantik, I'll kill you. She wants a bandit. Oh, bannet. Bannet. And then we're going to go there and kick Chinese ass for making it. I'm Nikki Haley. I'm tough. I'm, well, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton came out like a, like the running of the bulls going fuck Putin. We should kill like, Hillary's on record saying some of the most bella coast things ever about what we should be doing with our CIA and with our military.

49:24And Nikki Haley's basically going out there going the big money likes when you're open to a little conflict. They like that. The Koch brothers types like when you leave the door open. You don't have to say we're going to do it, but leave the door open. All options on the table. That's your favorite word. Their favorite sense is like, oh, we're leaving all options on the table. It's our, it's about our values, says Nikki Haley. It's about our values in northern Ukraine. They like she wants the money. I don't know what Chris Christie's up there talking about. You know, a Zempick or whatever, but he's not getting a dollar.

50:00No one's giving him anything. He's a weird one. He's just there to ruin things. Here's what I appreciate about Chris Christie. He exists only to destroy. He's not trying to build. He cannot win. He's not going to be elected. He's there to kill that Vivek Ramaswami. He's going to kill him one day. He's there to just destroy other people. He's not there to succeed. And he knows it. And Nikki Haley now is having the big meetings. She's having the big closed door meetings when they take him up to Monterey, El California in the Bohemian Grove. And they sit down by the redwood trees and you go, I like, I like your style.

50:38I just like what now, by the way, who the hell is Nikki? No one knows. No one cares. She was the governor of what? What was she the governor of South Carolina? Great. Great. Great. But again, none of these people gave a shit back down, right? I think her big thing was when someone climbed to the top of the state house and took away the Confederate flag, she was like, well, that's good. I think she didn't do any of that. Whatever she had that moment of like, look at me. I'm the governor and I'm progressive. I'll let people vandalize the Capitol, maybe for its good reason, whatever. But nobody, nobody knew who this bitch was.

51:12Until she got on stage and started saying, hey, I really, I would love to go to war. I would love to go to war. And then all of a sudden, all the money started going, you know, Nikki Haley, who she's not a particularly engaging or electric, you know, she's fine. She's not like, she's not like somebody who's like, whoa, this is. What do they do? Do they step in and say we need better speechwriters? What do they do? Do they say we need some sort of a clear, dynamic message that comes from you that's uniquely from a woman's perspective that might accyclocons? Yeah, the Karl Rove types sit down and go, we've really lost our way here.

51:51We've lost our way because right after 9 -11, we were able to sell people on this idea that America had to dominate every corner of the globe. And we were going to throw a lot of lives at that. And we were going to spend a lot of money to do that. And that's what's ultimately going to make us safer and secure us. And Americans after the Iraq war did not believe that. The Americans said, no, we don't believe that. So then all these Neal cons became Democrats, all the people that had pushed that war had become Democrats and they started coming at it from the left and going like, well, Russia's dead -on -like trans people.

52:29Did you hear that? They don't like trans people. They don't have a real housewives franchise in Russia. Like they went at it from another way going like, we have to confront these countries, these evil people like Vladimir Putin, who are irrational. They're not acting in their own self -interest. They're irrational psychopaths that want to dominate the world. Even though Putin's never showed any inclination of doing that one time ever once. But he's gonna. He won. He's 75 and he may not have Parkinson's, but now he's going to go and dominate the world. Even though he can't, he can barely dominate the Ukraine after a year and a half fighting two years.

53:10But they go, no, no, no, he's going to dominate the world. And so the whole idea is basically just like they have to get back on that thing because Americans have lost the belief in that. You can't sell that to people anymore. Nobody wants to hear that. What do you think changed the Iraq war? I watched it. I saw it. I was a kid. I was in high school. Friends of mine signed up for the military. RIP to some of them. A lot of them survived. People watched soldiers dying every day. They watched a lot of people get rich. They watched the 10 counties outside of Washington, D .C. become the most valuable places.

53:53You know, the biggest, you know, in terms of like net worth. They looked at all these counties around D .C. And they're like, wait, what? We're not talking about the Hamptons or Manhattan or Malibu or the Hill Country of the Texas. What are we're talking about? Virginia. And people watched a lot of people get rich. They watched a lot of corruption. They watched a lot of people die. And then what did we get for it in Iraq? What did we really get? What did we get in Afghanistan? The Taliban's built back. They're back. We left 20 years later with nothing. So then people start going, OK, we didn't just leave.

54:30We armed them. We armed them and then coward out. And then like, so watching that, watching that whole process has, I think, disillusioned a lot of people in my generation. I'm 38. And we're looking at all this shit and we're going like, dude, nothing new promised us happened. Right. We don't feel safer. It doesn't feel like we're safer because we invaded Iraq. Have you ever entertained the idea that they left behind all that equipment so that the Taliban could become a threat and they would justify going back to it's a circular thing. To the door open. It's a circular thing. All options on the table.

55:07Let's put them on the table. Nikki Haley will be back in there in three months. She'll go in there. She'll go, well, they'll win. You know, women, you know, wow, women are being trained because it's always a tugging or heartstrings because we all agree that we shouldn't throw most of us. We shouldn't throw gay people off the roof and we shouldn't stone women. We all agree with that. And that's the things they, they try it out. Yeah. They go, you know, the women are being stoned. Meanwhile, they're letting people into America who some of them want to stone women and some of them would throw gay people off the roof.

55:40And if you question that, you're a Nazi. Do you ever see some of the photos of Kabul from like the 1970s? Yeah, it was fucking the spot. It was amazing. It was go there all the time. It was great. They would take vacations there. Well, also Iran before the coup was this progressive place. Yeah. And we realized, you know, British and the United States, it doesn't, it's, that's not going to work for us. We'd actually rather them to be the scary. Yeah. Because the dictators will, you know, work with our company. That's why that, um, oh, some have been ladded in letter to America. Oh, yeah. It's a fun viral on TikTok.

56:21People like, wait a minute. What? What do we do? My 12 year old cousin's in Elkida. He's walking around going, this motherfucker makes a lot of sense about a lot of things. But that's the problem. It's like the problem is like when, when, when Laden did that, we were told the dumbest thing ever. He hated us because of our freedom. He hated us because of our freedom. It's our freedom and that we, and that what we needed to do is give people our freedom so that they didn't hate us. It was just mannequin, good and evil thing. And we bought into, I bought into it. I would, I cannot count the amount of parties I was at, Coke to my gills screaming about the need for the Iraq war.

56:59I was like, we're over there. It's smoking a cigarette. You don't have to. We're over there. I was like a fucking a parachic. I was running around Long Island, drunk in my car, coked out of my face, screaming the yelling that we needed the surge. We needed a surge. And they got me, they got because I felt good about I went, this makes sense. We're America. We have freedom. Right. I have freedom to sell subprime mortgages and do cocaine. They should have that. Right. And we need the surge and we need money and we can't give up. And we can't stop and John Kerry is a pussy. And he went to Vietnam to just, I don't know, take photos or whatever.

57:41And I, I totally bought in all of it. I was bought in and now I was on a lot of drugs. You're also young. When you're young, I was being patriotic like that. Like blindly. Blind young is super common. I remember this girl goes, as she said something to me, it was one of these girls who was like a little bit more like, you know, not buying into it. Right. And then she was like, she goes, do you ever think what it would feel like to be in a house and just have your city bombed? Like I know that you're saying this is all for a good reason and this is to liberate them. But do you ever think about what it would feel like to just be in a place and then just hear bombs and then things are shaking and everything?

58:30And, and I was like, no, no. But I was, I, but things like that will stop you, right? Things like that stop you in your tracks, so you go, oh, that would suck. When Callan was a kid, yeah, he was in Beirut. Wow. During the, the bombings. Interesting. Yeah, he experienced that. It's interesting because I, that probably fucking sticks with you. It sticks for you. For sure. And watching building blow up. Yeah. Three blocks away. There's just this is the thing with Israel and Gaza right now. Like everyone thinks Israel should and does have the rights to respond. Obviously they have to secure their country, right?

59:09They were invaded. We get it. The problem becomes when people are just watching massive civilian casualties all day on tiptock. You know, there's a certain level where people, they lose their tolerance. They go, this is a lot. And I think in the modern world, people don't have the stomach. And nor should they to see this level of death and carnage, especially from innocent women and children. Yes. When you see people being pulled out of the rubble like babies. It's tough. And two years ago, it was idiot's dancing on it and pajamas. And these kids are going, what happened? It used to be Charlie, to Millio doing the hula hoop.

59:52Now it's people being pulled out of the rubble and kids are like, what? So it doesn't work anymore. Like this type of all out conflict. It doesn't work. And I appreciate Israel's position because it's a tough position to be in. That being said, it's not going to work. If we had ticktock when we were in Fallujah, it would have been crazy. Oh my God. None of it. All these the stuff that got out about the, what is it called? Which prisons? A grab. A grip. A grip with the fucking dogs. Yeah. They were doing it. People that cigarette smoking girl in England, who now, by the way, works at a strawberry festival.

1:00:34I found that out on my podcast. I swear to God, Lindy England, the cigarette chain smoking cigarette girl, who tortured those guys at Abu Ghraib literally was one of the like sponsors of a strawberry festival. I forget where, but it's, you get, it's absolutely true. And you can check it and, and it's amazing. And I thought, you know, everybody has a second act in this country. By the way, everybody. Yeah. Doesn't really matter what you've done. Everyone has a second act. OJs on his third act. Trump's on his third or fifth, sixth act, seventh act. Everyone has a second act. If you're still on the planet in this country, that's the thing about Russia.

1:01:14They had to kill that guy. Progozion. You don't get a second act there. That's not the way it is. They don't have the mechanism. They can't give him a reality show. Progozion doesn't get a game show. They got a blow out of the sky in America. Like Hollywood would love Trump. Now if Trump goes, I'm not going to run for president. I just want to do a big show. They would build him a fake White House in Burbank tonight and let him do, and they would all, they'd give him Emmys. They pretend it was all good. They'd hug him. It wouldn't matter as long as he doesn't do the thing they don't want him to do.

1:01:47I don't think that's true. I don't think he ever comes back. I don't think they ever let you back in. Well, no, no, no, no, he just said I'm not going. Well, look at George W. Bush. Ellen's hugging him going. And we love him. And then people are going, he wasn't that bad. He was much worse president than Trump. Yeah. Did much worse to America. But I think if Trump just said, I'm abandoning politics, Hollywood would be there in two seconds because they don't have any morals. They're amoral. So think about Hollywood. They don't care. They're only thinking about what can make the money and what will get them in trouble.

1:02:19The least. But don't you think that in this day and age being moral, at least like signaling that your moral is an important part of Hollywood? That didn't exist before. It can be. And it is to a certain degree, but they all know Trump is a fucking massive train of money. They all know he's a train of money. And if he just said, listen, I'm not, I don't want to be the president anymore. I want to host a game show. There are people that Ted Srandos is calling him. And anyone that says shit about that, like he would go, Hey, what do you want him to be president? I gave him a show. What are you nuts?

1:02:58He'd be in his Malibu house screaming like I gave Trump a show. So I do think that there's a way back in. They just they don't want him to be the president. Yeah. But they don't, but he wants to be the president. And he's going to probably be the president. He's going to be the president. It's going to feel interesting when he's inaugurated because it'll feel like we're living in a loop. How far do you think they would go to stop it? Because it's really wild watching him being prosecuted, right? Yes. Really wild. I know for inflating the price of a condo, it's the dumbest thing ever. It's weird.

1:03:29They were like, he's an asset of Russia. And now they're like, now it's totally switched to where they're like, he said it had six bedrooms. It has five. It's like, guys, this wasn't what we were told. Right. We were told he was an asset of Russia. And then they switched it up immediately to go, Oh, he inflated the price of his real state. By the way, everyone does that. Everyone does that. If somebody's appraising your house, you walk up at the end and go, you saw the basement, right? That's what work that I did. Everyone does that. He doesn't on a grand scale because he has more money and more properties.

1:04:01But the idea that that's what we're getting him for, it's hilarious. It's weird. It's crazy because if this keeps going, like how far will they take it? Like if he keeps getting bigger, because it seems like at least in public perception, the more they come after him, the bigger he gets. Yeah. Because the more people realize the game, right? They're like, Oh my God, this is like banana Republic shit. You're prosecuting your political opponents. Yes. And you're doing it specifically to time the trials around like Republican conventions, primaries, all these are you doing it on purpose, right? It's pretty clear.

1:04:33Right. So everyone's like more and more supportive of them than ever. So how far will they go and how far can I? I don't know. I think he'll run the joint from the can. I think I think he'll run the country from prison. I mean, I think he'll run it from the federal prison. I mean, it might get to the point where we have the first mafia president where he's in federal prison in Bomb Beach and he's running the country. Yeah. Is that is that possible? I don't think they'll kill him. I don't think they kill anyone anymore. I don't think they kill anyone anymore. They don't seem to. They're torturing a sange.

1:05:07They'll bleed you out slowly. But they don't seem to be killing anyone anymore. The way they used to kill everyone, MLK JFK or FK, everyone died. But now they're not killing people nearly as much. There's a few people disappear. They're connected to the Epstein case. They go. They got to go. They absolutely few of those guys. They take this off and they come allergic to it. They got one guy. I think it's crazy. The one guy that 30 miles from his house, he hung himself from the lecture court and then shot himself in the chest with a shotgun. That's right. There was a guy in Bomb Beach. They found him in his pool.

1:05:44Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I've seen friend he was in a pool. There's a few of those. They got to tie up the loose ends. There's a few of those loose ends that have to get tied up. They got to tie up those loose ends. Yeah, there's a few of those. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. They tied them up. Few of those. But they don't go after the big guys anyway. They used to go after the big guys all the time. Right. They don't seem to do that. They're, they have this prosecutor in a Jack Smith. Jack something. They always have a guy they love. It was, uh, who was it? It was some muller, muller. And then there was another guy.

1:06:19Everybody's, it's like he's the white knight. Yeah, this guy now, Jack Smith is the guy. See, everybody's put, they're all put their hope in Jack Smith. They had put their hopes of turning.

1:06:32Mm. No, this is not Trump's turn. This is the guy who's going at Trump. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. He's the special counsel. Oh, so this is the guy that's trying to prosecute Trump. And they're basically saying like, you know, he, this is the one. He's got it. That we've heard this for to fucking forever. Yeah, it's like it's hard when you see the amount of crime that people are getting away with on the streets. And then you see this disproportion thing. You're like, you're trying to put someone in a cage for what? Right. And you're releasing people when they just storm into Nordstroms, they just run out with racks of clothes and smash.

1:07:13That's right. People justifying that and you're, you're making laws. So you can't prosecute someone for stealing less than a certain amount. Like what are you talking about? Like in you, and you're going to go after that guy for what? Like what, what is our goal? Is our goal a safer world? It's our goal. Yeah. A place where you want to be protected from Donald Trump's inflated condo price. I mean, it's so crazy that the two things exist in the same country. Absolutely. And well, erosion, erosion of law and order. If you talk to anyone in California, everybody knows somebody who's house has been robbed.

1:07:46Yeah. Home invasion. Yeah. Everybody knows somebody. Scary shit. Scary shit. It's a pretty shit. And yet they're not concentrating on that at all. You know, like New York City is a giant wave of crime. And they're prosecuting Trump for this. Meanwhile, they also have this insane thing where they're a sanctuary city. So they have to take in all these immigrants. But the president's son and everyone keeps talking about this. They go, well, he's being, it's a political witch hunt. And I'm like, he has videos of himself smoking crack with Ukrainian hookers with gun to their heads. Yeah. The guy lives in Malibu and he has art shows and so how he's doing okay.

1:08:27Like anyone's life's ruined with one of the videos at his laptop. Any one they've done a remarkable job of minimizing the end. Oh, yeah. The guy was so what? Yeah, he's, he had his problems. It's amazing. He had his problems. What do you have no compassion for addicts? I'm like, he's in the Ukraine with the gun to a hookers head smoking crack with a job his father got him. You don't have compassion for addicts. It's a little different. It's slightly different. Can we admit that? Well, it's also much different if we can find out that Joe Biden was involved. Oh, yeah. Sure. The idea that he wasn't involved seems more unlikely.

1:09:14Seems odd. Seems weird. Odd. Did they would just bring in Hunter? It seemed like they had conversations too. It seems like he said that they didn't. It's a tough family. But it's just imagine. Yeah. If that was Trump. Yeah. Just imagine the overall media coverage of it would be imagine how insane it would be of Donald Trump. Donald Trump was like, we should support the Ukraine that everyone in the media in this country would go fuck the Ukraine. Right. Yeah. Anything he said, they just, it's, they run the other way. But how crazy must it be for people like the CNN people that realized their greatest profits when they were having Donald Trump on every day?

1:09:53But that's why they want him back helped him get elected. That's why I think they ultimately want him back. They ultimately kind of want him back. If kind of the engineer had his come back to a degree, Bill Burmete point he was like he was on the casino circuit and then everybody started guiding him and talking about him. And now he's about they like him. They love him. He was a creature of Hollywood in the media before he was a politician. Yeah. They did create him. And I think he's, he's certainly not bad for business. It's just wild how they turned. Well, it's just wild to live in a time when we feel like we're almost in a, in an actual loop.

1:10:30Yeah. Where you go. It's going to be the same people. Over and over again. Over and over again. The Bushes, the Clintons, Chelsea Clinton run for president in 2020. You know, and it's just going to be the same things. And that's why you check out. That's why my dad is so checked out now. And I used to think like, oh, he should learn more about or he shouldn't. And now I've realized he's like, maybe the wisest person I know. Because his whole response like it Thanksgiving. Someone goes, what do you think about this Israel thing in a Gaza? And he goes, not cool and just cut beating. And I went, that's his left.

1:11:03Like he's got two or three words for any global event. My father has at maximum four words to describe it. It's usually like, that's not good. And then he keeps eating. And I'm like, maybe that's the move. I used to say that. I used to ridicule that. I used to go. He's really out of touch. But now I'm like, oh, he's lived through Vietnam. And yeah, first Iraq war, the second Iraq war. Afghanistan, Iran, Contra, the president getting his dick sucked. You know, Obama, Trump, like I think eventually you just, you, you kind of just toss it. He toss it. And you decide that you're not going to get involved.

1:11:44And you're just going to try to enjoy your life. Like these young kids on TikTok now that scream about, they just yell about Paul. Like there's a whole group of young kids who yell into their phone about politics. You see them like, there's two kids who like love buy in and there. And I had them on my show and they just, they go, we love Joe. I love Joe by. And you had them on your show. How do I buy my show? And they, they, they, they, you know, the kids that you, what are they? No, about any. Did you get through to them at all? No. Was there fun? I don't get through to them at all. I get through to you.

1:12:18There's a few people I get through to. Was it fun? They were cool kids because, but they're insane. Right. They're insane. But did you have any good points that they had to address? Yeah, for sure. You know, but they don't that level when you're a kid or whatever you are, they're not kids either. They're like young adults, but that level of certainty that you have about the world. You never see the world more clear than when you're like 20. You know it. 20. Why everyone's a loser. Right. Why everyone's a winner. What's wrong and what's right? And so now we have an app where you can go on it and scream in the app and tell everybody all the things you figured out in 10 years of summer camp or whatever.

1:13:05And what they, you know, but what it really is is you've never, you haven't lived long enough to have any of your ideas challenged in any real way. Right. You're also your brains not fully. Your brains not for you and you want attention. And you're in the middle of this weird culture shift where people are like getting rewarded for yelling about politics on TikTok publicly where you would normally just kind of do with your friends like you did over the year at war, coked up with a cigarette. If I had TikTok back then, oh my God. If I had a TikTok back then, I was a guy where I was, I would go over my friends houses.

1:13:47I would hang out with their parents until like they would be working like shit little jobs. It'd be like the end of high school beginning in college. And I would sit there with their parents. It would, they would make more teenies and we would drink gin and we'd watch the O 'Reilly factor. And we would smoke cigarettes in the backyard. And this was like, you know, if I had TikTok at that point, it would have just been this sweaty, disheveled co -cats screaming about how Donald Rumsfeld needs our support. Because that was, you know, I was like, you, it's in your not America. If you don't. And that's a, I just think about myself.

1:14:22I was like, fuck, I couldn't have been more wrong. So I look at these kids who now have like the technology to broadcast every thought they've ever, that they think they're having. And I'm like, you're going to look back on that and go, that was so cringe. Right. When I was like doing Biden youth and screaming about the importance of Biden and how great he was, even if you believe in Biden or think he's good or whatever, the way that they do it, they're going to look back on it. And they're going to go, oh, I was caught up in something because that's what I feel. I go, I was caught up. I didn't really.

1:15:00I read a few books that I didn't understand. And I went all around the night and screaming about the need to democratize the Middle East. There's something about doing that on Long Island. Oh, it's amazing. It's so classic. It was great. And it was like, I remember being in the car with people, you want to fight him here? You want to find him here? Yeah. Every talking point that was given to me, I completely now realize sounds ridiculous. And I look at these young people and I'm like, I'm not saying don't be passionate about things. I'm just saying like live a little. Yeah. All the way to little bed.

1:15:41It's hard to realize why you're captured in like a way of thinking. Wow, while it's while you're in the middle of it and all your friends are in the middle of it and everybody's in the middle of it. See what? Well, at least back then you didn't have social media. So it's like I wasn't doing it to be famous. I was doing it because I was a genuinely fucked a lunatic. I was a genuine fucking lunatic. Now these kids go, oh, there's cloud. I can make money. Right. I have followers back then. I was like, no, no, no, I got a backyard. I got a bottle of vodka. I got a pack of cigarettes. Let's go. But you know what's ironic?

1:16:12Yeah. Yeah. If you were on TikTok and there was all these other people doing it at the same time, if TikTok existed back when you were a kid, you would still rise to the top. Yeah. Well, I like to think so. Yeah. You would have to think so. You would have 100 % because a lot of this people getting attention that are mediocre. It's just a lack of other content that's available. No, I would like to think so. I would like to think that there'd be people being like, do you watch that guy? I'm like, he's the guy. That fat closeted gay cocaine addict. Who talks about why we need to do with the Iraq war?

1:16:49He's good. Who knows? You would be a Fox News consultant. I could go to Lock the Murdoch right now. You would have and say, give me 20 million dummy. Imagine a Fox decided to go Wild West and they had like an online, like wild, right wing swear all the time. Yeah. Talk about whatever the fuck you want to. If I get the lot of the young guys in, it would listen. If I, I'd be the oldest person in TikTok, if Fox News did a TikTok show with me, and it was just me screaming at these kids. Yeah. And you know, they're all like young, young guys who, they all have a boy band aesthetic and they're kind of like, they're also trying to get girls as they talk about politics.

1:17:33Right. So it's the weirdest thing. They're like, you know, they're like looking in the camera. They're like, you know, like, you're like healthcare. Like you have that abortion. Yeah. And you know, which is lovely. I mean, I'm not anti abortion, but it's so funny to see this. Everything's conflated with everything else. So it's like, they're out there trying to get pussy, trying to make money, trying to be famous and also trying to be right. And by the way, a few of those things have to get sacrificed. The people that I've known, well, I'm like, God, you're right. A lot of them are not rolling in dough.

1:18:05Right. A lot of those journalists who are like, right about stuff or they're, they even care about the idea that there is a right. They're not rolling in dough. They get sub stacks. They get sub stacks. You'll read them doing better now. Like, they're doing better now. They're doing better now. The green walls, people like that, Taibe, absolutely. They're doing a lot better now. And you can fucking trust them. God damn, it's hard to trust. It's hard to know what the fuck you're reading. What the motivation is behind. Like more than ever before. That's why I was. No, I'm good. Thank you, buddy.

1:18:36More than ever before. I mean, so many times I'm reading things. I'm like, where, what's the fucking motivation? What's the true story when I came up in the world and understanding, trying to understand the stuff? There was cable news dominated the discourse. So it was just the three networks, the big three, the papers, the times, the journal, the watching and post, whatever. But then it was cable news. So it was MSNBC Fox News, CNBC to a much lesser degree, CNN, even to a much lesser degree, but it was Fox and MSNBC were the ones that were really propaganda factories, Fox is the right. MSNBC was the left.

1:19:18And that's what you had. That's kind of still what you have if you're a boomer, you know, but now the internet has just opened the gates of hell so that it's every idea. Yeah. And every permutation of every idea, so you get some really good ideas and some really bad ones. And sometimes they're all in the same package. But don't you think you get a lot more of an understanding of what is actually going on? If you're listening to Jimmy do or if you're all over the place. Yeah. If you're listening to breaking points, of course, there's so many there's so much information it verges on. What can be?

1:19:53It can be. It's almost impossible to keep up. You have a full time job. But I mean, it is much better than what it was when I was growing up and you were fed. Oh, yeah. So Bill Arreilly would come on and feed you a narrative. Well, the fucking weapons and master's instructions narrative. That's responsible for the death of how many fucking people? Right. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. And then it was like, Iraq didn't even make sense. Well, it made sense for people that had a lot of money in it. They wanted to knock over all these countries. They really wanted to go into Iran. They come to the Wesley Clark, of course, that things wild.

1:20:31They wanted to go into Iran. They wanted to remake the entire thing. Yeah, it's crazy. When he talked about that, I remember watching that going, what is it? What is he saying? Like they really have conversations like this? Yeah. Well, I think it really does come down to the fact that listen, our system of government has a lot of benefits. A lot of, there's a lot of, I wouldn't want to live in any other country. There's a lot of great things about our system of government. So the idea of going like, shouldn't everyone have this stuff? Some of it, sure, freedom of speech, all these things, you know, freedom of association, freedom of religion, all of the things that we like value.

1:21:16When they talk about we should go and give that country that. Absent in that discussion, those number one, whether the country wants it. Right. How we're giving it to them. If we're doing it at the barrel of a gun, RFK talks a lot about how China has been really invested in soft power building schools. What are we doing? Building bases. What do people hate? Military bases. China's Belt and Road initiative is like building schools. Economically reaching out to people and trying to build bridges and expand China's influence in those parts of the world, namely Africa. We've been doing it at the end of a gun for a very long time.

1:22:00Yeah, what China's done has been pretty fascinating because they have such an interesting way of running things. I mean, it's horrible if you're stuck under the thumb. But if you look at the way their government and their businesses all work together, like no one can do anything that's bad for the government. No one can do it. Like the government like, it's a hard country to not respect. Even though you go, I don't want to live there. Right. You have to respect them like you're a fighter. You respect an adversary who has strengths that you don't have. China has strengths we don't have because adherence.

1:22:34Yeah. Compliance. They have a system of government. Sensor ship like controlling people completely is probably a strength. Not it's not a good thing, but it probably does strengthen the nation state to a degree by preventing the type of information from getting to them that would make them go, Hey, we're getting fucked up. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But people probably know like that's the thing that happened during Russia during the time of the Soviet Union. I would talk to this dude who was Russian. He said, nobody believed anything that was on the news. Everybody assumed that it was all propaganda.

1:23:13No matter what. But the state news was telling me, you know, they kind of had this like cynical perspective that they were trapped. And this is just how it is. Yeah. I mean, we, I've said it before, but we're a country of believers. Like we're not that cynical. We actually do believe in the thing about these places where they control people. It makes it very difficult to get creativity. That's true. You don't get any funny because it's too dangerous. No irony. Yeah. You don't talk shit about the wrong people. They're going to fucking kill you. The Gacha. Yeah. And you don't get any political discuss.

1:23:44Did you hear about the show in Russia where it's like, let's find out who's gay and they literally put these guys in a house and one of them's gay. Oh my god. And they have to keep kicking them out until they find the gay one. I mean, it's like hilarious. Oh, that's the type of entertainment you get like an authoritarian country. They have gang fights in Russia. Yeah, MMA fights where they have teams of 30 guys on one side and 30 guys on other side and they run at each other like Braveheart and beat the fuck out of each other. And then we're in different color outfits. Yeah. You know who's who?

1:24:15It is wild. It's a wild placement. You're going to stop. You're going to have a happy medium between that and let's have seven year old drag queens. Right. And this is the problem because we don't we we're not designed for balance. The country is not designed for that. Right. And certainly the internet is really not designed for that. Right. The minute you acknowledge certain things and go like, yes, people should be able to pursue happiness as long as it's not at the expense of other people. What tends to happen there is, you know, in freedom, you have a tremendous disparity between people that are going to abuse it.

1:24:57Right? Yeah. And so then the answer for those countries is to give people very little freedom. Right. And to wrap it up either in religion or nationalism or whatever it is. And then our country, it's we maybe go the other way where we tell people. Your self esteem and your sense of, you know, is at the expense sometimes of a cohesive society. And that also becomes a problem. So a lot of people now are looking at like, what are the limits of a liberal democracy? What are the limits of self will completely run rampant? You know, if everyone in society is thinking only of themselves, their own happiness, pleasure at every moment, how do we have a cohesive functioning unit?

1:25:49So that is the struggle. That's the struggle is like finding a way for people to be able to have freedom without infringing on other people. And that doesn't seem to work because as soon as you give people freedom, they go, you have to agree with me or you're fired or we'll take your kids away or well, whatever. And that is what makes people throw the whole go like, fuck it. No freedom. No, it's like the abortion thing. It's like both sides of that debate have been in the trans thing. They've both been hijacked by extremists. There are people that believe that you should be able to get an abortion at any point during a pregnancy for any reason.

1:26:35Then there are people that believe you should never be able to get an abortion. Those are the only people we hear from. The rational middle ground just goes to work. That's the problem with all these debates. We don't hear from sane people. And if you chime in, if you have any sort of a balanced perspective or, you know, you're in the middle on these things, you're in the center. If you chime in on these things, you just get attacked. You get attacked by the strongest forces from both sides. Yeah. The most, it's just very aggressive. And most people want to avoid that in their life. So if they do wait in occasionally and they get called out for it, you could get fired.

1:27:17You can get in trouble. They can contact your boss. Do you know that your employee is a this or a that? Right. And they're, they support this and they support fascism and they support, you know, and they're like, well, I don't want to hear this. And we're going to start an email campaign to boycott your company and like, oh, fuck. That's why everyone should choose like really one terrible thing to be on the internet and they get to be at whether it's a furry or a Nazi. You get to be like one thing. You have to be one. You have to be one. You can't be everything. It's confusing. What would you be?

1:27:45I don't know. For I guess furry, we're halfway there with the code. But I just think you have to, you know, it's like what's interesting about Caitlyn Jenner is trans person also heavy maga also rich athlete. It's a lot for people. It's a lot. They go, there are people that are hating her for different reasons. Right. There are people that love her and then hate her. It's very interesting when you have those cross sections of person where it's like the trans people are like, we like her. And then she goes, I'm against gay marriage. You go, what's happening? Yeah. Like when Kanye put on the mega hat, I was like, hey, yes, what's happening?

1:28:23He's had an interesting run.

1:28:27I bet he bounces back with this new. I bet he bounces, especially right now, we're going to see a lot more high profile break downs. Well, right now, you're seeing more anti -Semitism. We've ever seen before. It makes it a lot of it. It's a lot of Kanye said seems super mild. It's super mild compared to what a lot of people said. All he said was I like Hitler. That's fine. By the way, I love Hitler. I love Hitler. That's not even the worst of it now. I love everybody. That's not even the worst of it now. If your kids are only saying I love Hitler, you're lucky. Count yourself lucky. If your kids are only going, I love Hitler.

1:29:01Oh my God. It's a lot of anti -Semitism now. And it's a lot of people that are like, I don't know. And I feel it's open. It's open. People are going wild. Wild wild wild wild. Those those here we've talked about it too many times already. But those those hearings were that Congresswoman. Yeah, is addressing the president. Why doesn't anyone lie? Why doesn't anyone lie? Why didn't she go? What what? Like nobody lies like the fact that the president of Harvard can't lie scares me more than the discrimination. I don't think it's a matter of that she can't lie. I think it's a matter of she believes that those things are okay.

1:29:42Ask me the question they asked her and I'm going to tell you what the right response was. Does yelling death to the Jews? Constitute harassment. I was in my office. I heard them say I thought they were saying death to the blues. I had no idea they were talking about Jews. None of that's going on. I don't even know what's happening. I go to work every day. Jews trying to make this the greatest country in the world. And apparently people yelling about the Jews. I don't even, of course not. The Jews are happy. Everyone's happy where we are. Jews are happy. Muslims are happy. The things you don't see are the Jews feeding the Muslims a lot.

1:30:22Cause and the Muslims making the homies for the Jews. You guys are seeing the bad stuff. But we have, I mean, we have Jew and Muslim dance night every Thursday. Like just make shit up. You know, we desperately live in a time of intellectuals and we need to live in a time of business people who cut deals. This is again, an argument, maybe for Donald Trump. We intellectuals are rotting everything with their double speak and there. It's, it's what we need is people that realize the limitations of their own intellect. Those are business people. People that come in and go, you want something? You want something.

1:31:05Guess what? Neither one of you's getting it. But here's what you can get. There's a smugness to those people too. That's bizarre. When the one lady was what what university was over the lady was smiling every time she went to answer the question and not answer them. Thomas, if it's actionable, right? If it's actionable, if you are actually commit genocide, like what do you say? Thomas Soel, who's one of our great thinkers said the thing about intellectuals, you wrote a whole book about it. They never have to be right. If you bake pies for living, if you are a contractor, you cannot put a house that falls down.

1:31:40You cannot poison people with a pie. Intellectuals can be wrong all the time without consequence. The only thing is that whatever they say has to sound good. That's why these people at Harvard are sitting there making no sense, because they know they don't have to be right. All of the intellectuals in the early 1900s were all on board with eugenics. They thought it was a great idea. Only in hindsight was it like, oh, all these intellectuals were on board with the Iraq war. It's stunning. Go find. Go look at everybody writing. People were fired from Chris Hedges, a journalist fired for giving an anti -war commencement speech.

1:32:22Most intellectuals are on board with that. Now they all go, oh, we're a guest at that. So these people at Harvard are just trying to say things that sound good. And they're not. And because they know they don't have to be right. There's no consequence. Right. In the real world for what they say, as long as it sounds good. So they can say, hey, it's about free speech. This is they don't believe in free speech at all. But like as long as it someone goes, huh, that was a well thought out, well articulated point. It doesn't matter what they're saying. And you know, I don't know. Well, that's clear in those conversations, right?

1:33:06Because they're saying nutty things like if it's actionable, like she's just dancing around answering just say, no, that's what I would have said. Can we say we go with genocide? It is just no. No, it's really bad. I go, that's bad. That's not good. Who's doing that? That's what I'd say. But here's the saying that what is the fear is the fear that the students will attack? What is the fear? The fear is the on campuses. I would imagine a lot of these progressive campuses, the pro Palestine sentiment is the strongest by far for sure, by far for sure. And it's probably a problem when someone has a pro Israel stance.

1:33:50I think probably gets warmed up. These institutions now are fully, they've been captured. This institutional capture, meaning that they don't want to say anything or do anything that gives the idea that they are backing an oppressive right entity, the colonizer, the colonizers, the bad guys, the colonizers, the big ones. So they're like, we got to let people say whatever they want to say. And we're not going to get, now we don't want anyone getting hurt. Maybe we'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but they're also saying, we're going to allow people to say, however, you couldn't say that about trans people.

1:34:33Couldn't call for the genocide of trans people. Well, how about no one called for the genocide of Russians? Right. There was never a death to the Russians. Like that, that's kind of why no, no genocide calling for it. Right. School. Isn't that, but that is really wild. If you think about that one, there wasn't a similar backlash against Russians. Because Ronald Reagan said, oh, would you mean recently or when we had the call even like while this is happening recently, Ukraine, Russia thing, Russians are fine over here. Like they don't have any problem. Like when Russian fighters get view the Russians as controlling party in our society.

1:35:09There's a lot of people that view the Jews as the, as the de facto rulers of America, the controllers of America. Interesting. You know, and that's, I think the reason for, I don't think we look at Russians as having that type of power. Also, the scale of the Israel's response in Gaza, it dwarfs everything that's happening. It's wild. I think it's not, it's foolhardy. It's, it's, I think strategically, it's going to be an issue because what are they going to do now? They're going to have a security role in Gaza permanently. And it seemed like there was some Kamala Harris talk, where she was talking about a country that was going to rebuild it.

1:35:54Right. And they're in negotiations talking about rebuilding Gaza, which is like, hey, that's the, that's the fucking Ferris wheel. It keeps spinning around. Yeah, it's the Ferris wheel. It just keeps spinning around. And this is the money again. We, I feel bad. And what is going this way now? Halliburton. Yeah. I feel bad for people that are victims of anti -Semitism, for sure. And that's legit. And especially people in colleges are probably getting the brunt of craziness. Yeah. But then there is also, you also have a thing where every criticism of Israel can't be anti -Semitism. That, that, that also, how about the citizens criticism of Israel?

1:36:41Right. They were in the streets hundreds of thousands of them. For months, that they were not standing at the end of the year. Yeah. So there is room and there has to be room to say the course of action we disagree with. I think it's unwise for the United States to allow and fund and open ended engagement in Gaza. Open ended. Well, you know, that's, you know, it's been like two years, two, two months. They're already saying that it might be beyond the tipping point of rebuilding. Like they've destroyed so much. Have you seen the footage? The recent footage. It's crazy. It's not just bombing mosques.

1:37:22It's bombing buildings. It's, it's their moment at what we did after 9 -11 did not make us safer. And I think they're having that moment right now where there's an understandable rage. They are upset. Hamas has their babies and women and children and every, you know, what Hamas did. Was strike at the heart. That's what terrorism does, right? You get, you get to the core of a human being by saying we're going to rip away the things from you that you care about the most. This is the emotional response to that. I don't know how strategic long term it is. It's terrifying. And I think it's, it's unfortunately, when you see women and children being killed that are innocent, we got to minimize that.

1:38:14This is, you know, if not, you know, we got to, you know, this is why when we have a modern civilization, the whole point of being a civilized country is to, you know, minimize death's of innocent people in these types of things. Especially like that. Yeah. I mean, that October 7th thing is so what the fucking, the music festivals. It's crazy terrifying. No, and I understand why you have a situation now where Israel is in a position where they're going, well, we can't live with Hamas. Right. That's not going to work. Right. We can't live with them. But we need, there needs to be some two -state solution.

1:39:00When I grew up, all we heard was that. They never materialized, never came to fruition. But then over the last few years, no one's talked about it and no one's cared. And I think it's become a situation where you have these elements, these radical elements in that society that are reacting to the very real and unending, you know, like unlivability of that situation. You know, where your, Gaza's unlivable. It's not a livable situation, the situation. So then there's going to be people that are ultimately hopeless. And as where terrorism comes from, it comes from people that feel like they have zero hope.

1:39:49Nobody blows them self -op or engages in this type of activity because they feel like there's a myriad of options for them in line. You know, they might be polluted with fundamentalist religion, but where does that come from? It comes from the idea that if somebody came to me and goes, blow yourself up, I don't want to. I have a show tonight, you know, for law enforcement, I have whatever. I got stuff to do. I don't have the greatest life in the world. I don't even have to say that. I have a record code on. But the point is, I'm not going to blow myself up. No young 19 year old person should be at a point in their life when for a religion or a political faction or a government should be thinking of doing a kamikaze mission.

1:40:34So you do have to address the political conditions that create that level of hopelessness. You do. That doesn't mean that anti -Semitism is okay. And that doesn't mean that at every turn you're going to be able to convert people that if they just want to kill Jews, maybe they're just going to kill Jews and you have to eradicate that threat. But you have to address those political conditions that create that type of desperation in people that turns them to that type of violence. Have you ever heard Dave Smith talk about it? Yeah, I heard a little bit on your show. He goes deep. He's deep in him.

1:41:14And when you look at what it's all laid out, it was, oh my God, how do you fix that? It's very hard. Well, I believe in a crusade. I believe my fat aunt and uncle, the Christians take it. They come in on a carnival cruise ship. They come out. The Jews in the army go, what happened? And then Big Daddy, the originals, the Christians, the ones who used to run it, come back. They set up Dave and Busters. They're in there. They're at buffets. My aunt's pointing at the tomb, which Jesus supposedly called out of. She's taking a photo with it and her sandals. You know, it's very hard to imagine fixing any of this stuff.

1:41:57We're going to have to learn to live with some compromises. Now, don't only mean like political compromises where we go, you get this, we get that. There's just some compromises in life where we're going to have to just understand that certain areas might be dangerous. Yeah. You know, certain areas might be dangerous. That's what it is. Did we fix the South Side of Chicago? Did we fix inner city, you know, East St. Louis? Did we fix any of those? No, people left. So that's unfortunately what tends to happen a lot is people go. They leave. So I don't know that I get out of Gaza. That's the problem.

1:42:45That's a problem. That's part of the problem is that it's kind of an open air prison. That's a problem. They're going to have to go to some of the other Arab countries. Are the other Arab countries taking Gaza refugees? No. That's a lot of them. That seems like they should take some. But again, I don't want refugees. I almost agree with them there. It's like, I don't want refugees. If my family started calling me going, Hey, our pipes froze, I'd go, oh, that's, I'm sad. That's horrible. Wow. There's beat the hotel again, huh? Well, we figured you got a house in there. What? It's like, it is a limit to the refugee game.

1:43:25Well, that was one of the funniest things about the New York crisis. They were asking people to take them into their homes. No. What are you talking about? Some guy who walked over here from Guatemala, he's going to sleep with your kids. It's great. What do you say? How do you do know that guy? He's, is he cool? Here's the thing. And I know this is going to sound horrible because we're, I think even if Jesus were to come back, he would even say enough with the refugees. Like, I think, you know, we got to not fuck up the whole world and then take them all in. Like this writer, Steve Sieler, said he had a great quote.

1:43:57Invade the world, invite the world. Can't do it. We can't go around fucking everything up. And then all these people show up and we go, well, we owe them. Like, oh, I don't owe them. I didn't do it. I didn't bomb them. Well, your tax doll. It's like, we have to stop letting people destabilize all these countries and then let them in. We have floods of refugees in here. Why do you think the refugees are coming in from the southern border like they are? Why do you think they're allowing that? It's economic migration. And the reason is that a lot of these business owners enrich people benefit from cheap labor.

1:44:31They want gardeners. They want nannies. They want chefs. They want people doing their nails. They want, if you think they thought of that, it looks like some in so they can do our nails. Of course they don't want to pay American wages. If you can hire so many, three dollars an hour, whatever it is, off the books, illegal labor, you know how many construction projects go up with illegal labor? You know how many of these construction projects in Miami? They're building like 20 new towers in Miami with floating bath tubs for Bitcoin criminals. And God only knows the poll brothers and God bless everybody.

1:45:04I like them. But like they're building all these big, big towers in Miami. How's that? I'm not doing it. It's illegal labor. Is it really? Oh yeah! Now DeSantis shut that down and all the construction projects are grinding to a halt. Because there's a lot of illegal labor being used in putting up certain buildings. Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Wow! This is a huge part. This is what, or were to believe that the people living in Greenwich, Connecticut, love El Salvadorians. It's one of the two. It's one of the two. It's either that they're benefiting financially from it or there's a housewife in Greenwich going, you know, I love an Arrapa.

1:45:47New Florida immigration rules start to strain some businesses. Some employers say they were losing workers because of the new law which is championed by government runs for us. A dude roofing a house. Yep, yep. This is building a house. We have this massive housing boom that was enabled not only by the low interest rates, but by you have to have people to build these houses. What do you think, DH Horton, all these companies like, they don't admit to it. So how do you mitigate that? So you think that's literally why they're letting everyone know it. You don't think it has anything to do with voting?

1:46:22Yes. It has a lot to do with voting. It has to do with, allow people to register. Certain demographics are better for the Democrat party. And we know that however Republicans up until recently didn't care that much because they thought they could turn Latinos Republican and some of them will. Some of Latinos are Catholics and they go, we don't want to do gender monopoly and gender musical chairs or whatever games they're playing over there. We're going to stick with, and a lot of Latinos don't vote. So you have a large percentage of people that don't subscribe to the political systems bullshit who cares.

1:46:55Well, also you have the Biden administration sending people back from Venezuela. Venezuela people who escaped and combed his government. They were Republican. Yeah, they got out of here. You got to go. So they don't want to let more Cubans in from Miami. No, no. No. But I think the economic interests of these people are we can bring in people that will do the work for nothing. Yeah. The Tyson chicken raid. This was the big thing. The immigration, the raid that whatever ice or whoever did on the Tyson chicken factories is a big story during Trump's term. They raided that. African American unemployment dried up in the months after that because the Tyson chicken factory had to hire Americans.

1:47:39So when these companies are forced to hire Americans and pay American wages, they do. Right. But until they're forced to do that, they're going to rely on largely illegal, unregulated labor. Mmm. And that's in their personal lives and private lives. So if you can hire a landscaping company to come to your Hampton's house or your house in Bel Air or Greenwich or here, wherever. It's beautiful places. But it seems like such a huge strategy. Just keep the border open. It seems like such a fucking dangerous move. Chicken plants lured them, feds jailed them, how Mississippi's immigration crisis unfolded.

1:48:23Oh, the chicken factories. Undocumented workers once considered an acceptable part of our economy. Now they are demonized. Interesting. Mmm. And again, I'm not saying like this is a great thing to do these raids. And obviously there's human costs. But what tends to happen when you lose illegal labor, you have to hire Americans. And they don't want to do that. Why is the Chamber of Commerce pro immigration? Why are the Koch brothers open borders advocates? Is it because David Koch loves people from Central America? Or is it because he wants to drive down the cost of wages? He believes in a market rate.

1:49:04And a market rate is, hey, anyone will do it. This is the problem with kind of that libertarian type of philosophy. It just doesn't work if you import the third world to America. Right. That doesn't really work. Because then you're setting wages. People on Park Avenue Manhattan go, what is that I want? $4? Let's find someone to do it for $250. So is this idea to try to compete with other countries that do this? Like China? That is one of the ideas. The other idea is to get a ninth sailboat. Yeah. It's people that go, what are our profits? How can we maximize these profits? What's the bottleneck?

1:49:42How can we maximize? How can we put up cheap labor bottleneck? How can we put up 100 houses for just the material cost and a minute labor cost? What do you think about this is a real, I think there's a bill that just got brought up where they're trying to stop these companies from buying up houses. Yeah, black rock in all these months. And they're trying to stop them from doing that because they think that they're controlling the housing market. Yeah, it's pricing single family homes. These are the big problems. The big problem is single family homes. It's a good idea. Hege funds have invaded the housing market.

1:50:23A new bill would ban them. A sweeping new bill introduced in Congress would essentially ban hedge funds and private equity firms from buying single family homes. There you go. This is interesting. Yeah, this price is out. A lot of people. You think they're going to vote on this? This seems like one. It's going to be very interesting to see how they vote. What's going to be interesting? Bill, which is introduced both the US Senate and the US House of Representatives on Thursday, would over a 10 year period require hedge funds and large institutional investors to completely divest from single family home ownership.

1:50:56Called the N Hege Fund Control of American Homes Act, the bill would require large funds to sell off 10 % of their homes each year over a decade. Well, basically what they want to do is create a nation of renters. How do you feel about this, though? How do you feel about a ban? Well, there's a lot of people that own those houses that are not going to be happy with a ban because they want BlackRock coming in and giving them more money than the house is worth. How much more do they give them? They can give them 30 % above, which is money. And then it's the BlackHomes out. And they least them out.

1:51:32It's part of this idea that homeownership and automobile ownership and all of these things, eventually it's going to be replaced by more effect. Whitney Webb, as somebody I've had on my show, and she's wild. She knows her stuff. When she came on my show, she made a lot of great points about these legacy systems that people want to get rid of. And then she went to the house and said, you know, you know, you don't need to own whatever you don't need to own. What does owning do for you? That's that famous article you'll own nothing and be happy. So I think the ban would sort of put the brakes on that, I guess.

1:52:18The problem is a lot of these companies find ways around these bands. You gotta remember, these are the smartest people in America that become, and I don't mean smart, like, contemplative intellectuals. I mean, shrewd, effective sociopaths. They're really, when I say smart, I don't want people going, you think that, I don't mean that. I mean, they're very effective at gaming the system. There are 10 steps ahead of all these laws that are being passed. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to pass the laws, but like, a lot of these people are already anticipating that and then how to get around it. I'm fascinated to see how that bill does.

1:52:54Because it seems like they would put extraordinary pressure to make sure that bill does not get passed. They're not going to allow that bill to get passed. It seems like you're going to find out who's on board now. Well, again, when RFK came on my show and called up BlackRock fan garden, I know we did it on your show too, BlackRock fan garden, state street, as these companies don't own everything. You know, I got a lot of messages from a lot of financial people going, well, everybody's portfolio is tied up in that. This is part of the whole issue with everything. It's the Thomas Sowell thing. There's no solutions.

1:53:25There's only tradeoffs. It's hard to get honest at this deep in the scam that is our financial set. It's like hard, any deleveraging, any winding down of the military industrial complex, all of this will have ramifications in our society financially for people across the board. Anything you want to, I'm not saying you shouldn't attempt to do it, but like anything like this, like you go, I don't like illegal immigration. It's like, okay, your house is more money now. They go, okay. I don't want Chinese people buying real estate. Okay, well, maybe, and that, you know, maybe the real estate industry is going to take a hit.

1:54:14Not only realtors, but people that work in that business, right? Property managers, interior designers, architects, people that stage homes, appraise it. Whatever it is, people might take a hit. This is part of the issue of where we're at now. You ban BlackRock and all those things from getting in there, that's fine. And then, you know, people will take a hit financially with their portfolios. But do you think that how many people have to vote yes on this? How many people are involved in this decision? Well, it would have to pass two houses of Congress and then get signed into law by the president.

1:54:53Now, that seems very unlikely. It's a while. It seems very unlikely, because BlackRock will have a great argument as to why they're helping people. They'll get out there and they'll be like, hey, man, we're here. And we're buying these fucking houses. And the people that we're buying them from love us, these, the boomers love BlackRock. The boomers will get on a BlackRock cruise with BlackRock shirts. The boomers, because the book, one of the problems in the American real estate market is, boomers will not sell their houses for anything under a $1 .6 million profit. They just won't. They won't, because they like to lord them.

1:55:33They like to lord around them. They like to make their kids feel guilty. They like to go, you could never afford it. They like to tell you how cheap the house was when they bought it. And then, this is every, every Thanksgiving or Christmas, somebody will go, pick this up for 200 grand. Now it's worth one eight. And then it's their millennial kids are sitting there, saddled with student loan debt. And the boomers are big. It's their last fuck you before they leave the planet. Yeah. They're a spiteful generation of monsters. I respect it. But their last fuck you before they leave the planet is instead of selling their houses for, I don't know, a $900 ,000 profit.

1:56:08They just won't put them on the market. Some boomers, which is hilarious, that we read the articles on my show, they're actually retiring to bigger houses. They're sizing up. It's sick. It's like insane. And so that becomes an issue too of like, you know, it used to be like, you would have a house, the kids would move, you'd stain it probably for another 10 or 20 years. And then you'd get a condo. And you'd go, I'm out. Fucked what I want to mow lawn for. Now the boomers are going, this is the only thing we have that makes us truly valuable in societies that we own this like a mick mansion. And we're not giving this up.

1:56:51We are tax paying citizens. And we are not giving this up. And our kids are going to come here every year and they're going to suffer through the size of our house with nine empty bedrooms. While they live in a two bedroom apartment, and we're going to, we're going to chastise them for their decisions and their choices. And the mick mansion defines you. And your car that you drive up to the mansion and all that defines you. And where are you vacationing? That's right. Where are you going? That's right. And they're going to go, they're going to go, they're going to go. Because they all bought those houses for very little money.

1:57:25And they are going to hold them over everybody's houses until they are found dead in them. They will not leave those houses until they are taken out in an ambulance. The boomer, the most important thing for the boomer is to be right. And that's their main thing. They're not a soulful group. They're not, they've been around forever, but they've attained very little wisdom. It's actually kind of impressive. They're the most American generation of people that have ever lived. They're a deeply selfish, self -acgrandizing, paranoid, you know, delusional. But one of the things that makes them right is what they have.

1:58:03They go, well, how can I be wrong? Look at this fucking house. Look where we're sitting. I've got 13 -foot ceilings. Don't tell me you know about Gaza. You know. I have to be so bad. I can't hold it anymore. I didn't want to stop your rent. Let's pay. Let's come back. Okay. It might be microdustin. There's some brownies that will send you to a new place. I think I'm allowed to do psychedelics, but maybe not. Why not? I think I'm allowed. What are you afraid of? I don't know. I don't think it's a Coke. No. No. It's like the opposite. Nobody does shrooms and yells about the importance of Thonel -Rum's Feld.

1:58:38Did you do that? I mean, I never got the point of any of it. I would do acid and then go around the garden city hotel and be like, you know, these people have made it. Like I totally didn't. Whatever was out there, whatever deeper lessons about the universe I should have learned, I did not. You were young. You were also New York City comics just passed away very sad. Guy Kenny DeFarris, he was a really funny guy who was a really good guy too when he was driving his bike in New York City. And it's a fucking life is just, it's like crazy. He had to hit by a car. He had to hit by a car. I heard about that.

1:59:16I heard that he was hospitalized. And we're all like putting, you know, raising money and stuff and it's like, you know, it's tough. It's tough because he was a great prey. It's tough. Life's a fucking nightmare sometimes. Sometimes. You know, that's when you hope that there is a mechanism by which, you know, there is whatever you want to call it. And after life is right. Yeah. Yeah. Where there's something, something makes sense because it's hard when you look at things like that. You get very frustrated with life. Yeah. You know. And then there's the inevitability of our own demise. Right. We only have some time to find mine for sure.

1:59:58Well, not yours, but mine for sure. You'll put you in some suit and fly you out of here. Your demise is not as inevitable as your friends. You'll wave to us. You'll be like, and then you'll call us. You'll call us from the spaceship, but go, I'm trying to work at some type of deal here for some of you. I'm the last dude. You're going to get on that ship. I'm going to stay right here. No, I feel like you won't, I feel like you'll just be like, hey, man. No, thanks. I'm not interested. It doesn't seem fun up there. I think it's a mistake. I think it's one of those things, like I said, just because something's hard to do.

2:00:31It doesn't mean it's good to do. You know, I think it's the people trying to make their way across. You ever see that show 1883? It's one of the prequels to Yellowstone? Yeah. Barbaric, really wild, wild show. But it's that time's a million. Like you're going to land on some planet. It's going to be no air. Would you go up in a... Should you just take a look? Maybe. That would be cool. I saw Shackner did it, you know, Jeff Bezos and that, you know, went up in the... It was called Deep Blue, is that his spaceship? Something like that. Yeah, I mean, maybe. Maybe, but I don't think so. It seems safer than going to the bottom of the ocean.

2:01:05Much safer. That was a tough one. That's immersive. It's a ball. Go see the Titanic. Fuck. They sent the distress signal and then it just... Ooh, that's tough. Did you ever see the CGI recreation of what would happen with that amount of pressure when the hole gives in? It goes... You explode. It's an explosion. You almost don't feel it, right? Oh, you don't feel it. You're gone. You're gone instantaneously. You're missed. You turn into a pink mist. Boom. I mean, it's just the force of an insane amount of weight. Yeah. You're... You're covered by an insane amount of mass. The water is so deep. Yeah.

2:01:50That's so much fucking weight, man. Yeah. It's so crazy that you... It's such a crazy thing to do with your dad. Well, it's crazy to do with your son. Right. That's a good point. It's probably the billionaire dad's idea. That's right. That wild crazy old fuck. Yeah. He wanted to take his kid down and just like, let's experience something wild. Let's go on an adventure. That's the thing about the boomers. That's where they're here forever. Here's because they're whole like, they're just like, let's have lunch. So this is the recreation of what it must have looked like. So look how far that... How scary that is.

2:02:26That is brutal. Look how scary that is. 3 ,800 meters. Oh my god, that's so crazy. That's what it says, right? 3 ,800 meters. Oh my god. And they're sitting just like that. Yeah, they're just sitting in this fucking stupid tube. It's a possible break point. And this is what happened. And how fast it would be. And look at this. It's just... Shhhh. Boom. 20 milliseconds. Brain pain response is 150 milliseconds. You don't even have a chance. Real time. Boom. That's it. Gone. Slow mo. Shhh. Bubbly. And they found it, right? That is what happened. Oh yeah, they found like pieces of shit. They're left from behind it after it implodes.

2:03:16Fucking insane, man. Look at the bodies. Watch what happens here. You imagine that experience. Just missed. Let me ask you, do you think that fully shut down the industry of people going to see the Titanic? No. Or is it just giving people the opportunity to say, hey, we're doing it better. We can do better. That's the great thing about American capitalism. There's definitely somebody going, hey, that was a blessing in disguise because we are able, we have it luxury vessel now, and we have solved all of the problems. Yeah, there's no problems down. In fact, the president is going. Right. He's trying to see the Titanic.

2:03:57It is perfectly safe. You know, we sadly, when those things happen, it gives us the ability. I could even sell these things. I'm like, yeah, it gives us the ability to just like get better at what we do. Yeah, I mean, this is the Jurassic Park argument. Yeah. Don't you want to see the Titanic? A few people died, but we, those dinosaurs were, you know, was an early prototype. Yeah. Yeah. It is an unfortunate situation where you have probably, I hope they got to see it. The Titanic? Yeah. Oh, do we know that? We don't think that far enough down. I think they died on the way down. That sucks. Didn't they, Jamie?

2:04:40I don't think they made it. I hope that if you get down there, by the way, you're looking at the Titanic through screens. It's a double -who cares. You look at a ship wrap. You could look at it in the same way above there. It's just you're close to it physically. So you're probably got a keep Lee roll away down here. Yeah, it to me is like, who cares? I'm not impressed. If somebody told me that, if somebody lived with a part of the party or dinner and somebody went, I went down and I saw the Titanic. I'd go, oh, I would not even ask a follow -up. Who cares? Yeah. Oh my God. Good for you. Oh, death tourism.

2:05:10Oh, great. Yeah, who cares? It's like a psych, it's a psychopath thing to say, by the way. It's a crazy thing to say. Go like, eh, me and my dad went to see the Titanic. It's like, that's not getting you laid. You got to, you know, that's crazy. The first people that go to the moon and go to a moon base. That's going to be a one. That'll be fun. There's going to be a lot of that. Like really wealthy people that decide to go to the moon. It's probably going to be like 50 million bucks. I think a little space tourism could be fun, but there's going to be accidents. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to lose some billionaires.

2:05:41There's going to be people that go. Yeah, if we decide to go to the moon, and we set up a hotel in the moon, you're going to lose it. How close is the planet that's closest to us that can sustain life? We don't know. That's a good question. I think they're all really far, like years at light speed. So we're not getting anywhere. It depends on what kind of propulsion system we have currently available. See, what we're using now is all we light things on fire, and it pushes us forward. Like I was saying about like the rocket ships, like every time they go up, like how much carbon are they burning?

2:06:17Like what the fuck are they doing? Like how much of that is affect? Like if we're trying to stop global warming, what are we doing? Shooting rockets. Right. What's the big deal here? Right. If they can develop some new propulsion system. And I think this is my thing. I think that's what all this UAP shit is all about. You know, what's UAP? Unidentified aerial phenomena. Gotcha. It's the new way of saying UFO. Gotcha. When you're hearing all these disclosure talks and all this stuff, I think two things are happening simultaneously. I think it's highly likely that there is intelligent life that's aware of us from somewhere else, and I bet they visited, and I would if I was them.

2:06:58I also think that the government probably has in its possession some new form of propulsion that it uses for drones that is insanely sophisticated and above and beyond what we think is currently available. Some gravity -based propulsion system. And that's what a lot of these pilots are seeing. That's what these things move in ways that no one has ever seen before. That's why they can go into the ocean. That's why they can shoot through the sky. I think there's some kind of wacky drone that we've developed. It's probably true. When they're telling you it's aliens, that's the moment I stop thinking of aliens.

2:07:37I'm its aliens all the way up until the government starts talking about aliens. Yeah, that's a great point. You're all in on aliens, and then when they're like, hey, aliens, we're like, fuck you, it's not aliens. I'm like, no way you're being honest with us. Oh, we've just decided to be honest with you. For the first time. Yeah. If it was aliens and they did have aliens, they would say it was their shit. They're just trying to, I guess you're right, just kind of see what the technology can do. Also, it's a great way to get people off your trail. If you just say, look, there's aliens. We have no idea where these crafts are coming from.

2:08:10They're from other worlds. These planets that can sustain life that are light years away. They were unable to. What's the closest planet? Yeah, where is this planet? Where is the closest planet that's in the Goldilocks zone? They've found, like they had this one planet, I think they called it Earth 2 or something like that. But it's theorized because we don't really have the actual ability to get to that planet and have high speed drones that get high definition video. See the atmosphere. See the atmosphere. Did you ever see that? Which one of the alien movies was it where they landed on this planet?

2:08:50One of the more recent ones. The nearest potentially habitable planet to Earth. 14 light years away. So if we can go at the speed of light, it's 14 years to get there. Wow. The planet more than four times the mass of Earth is one of three that the team detected around a red dwarf star. But here's the problem. That means if it's four times the mass of Earth, that means it's four times the gravity of Earth. Doesn't that mean that? Is that direct? Is it one to one? Like that? I don't know if that's one to one. Because the Earth is the moon is one quarter the size of Earth, but it has one six Earth's gravity.

2:09:28It depends on big that wolf, one six one or whatever. And there's probably life on that planet. There could be. I would imagine there had to be something. What depends. I don't even know if we know what it's composed of. It might, it says, okay, it says a particularly exciting thing because all three planets are of low enough mass to be potentially rocky and have a solid surface, potentially. But it also could be a gas giant. And the middle planet wolf 1061c sits within the Goldilocks zone where it might be possible for liquid water, might be possible. And maybe even life to exist. Yeah, we'd be talking about a 14 year journey at light speed.

2:10:08If we could go to speed a light. And we can't go to speed a light. We can't even come close. Unless these gravity propulsion systems are legitimate. In which case you could kind of go anywhere instantaneously. The idea of this, the way it's been described by like people like Bob Lazar was supposedly worked on back engineering these spaceships. Is that it's like if you had a very soft mattress and you put it immense heavy bowling ball in the center of mattress, push the mattress down. So it like, the uses the gravity to push space time to that spot where it wants to be. Yeah. And then it unfolds again.

2:10:45It sounds insane. And it's beyond our comprehension, my comprehension. It sounds totally like science fiction nonsense. But what is happening I think is that I mean, you know, you could imagine if DARPA was talking about the stealth bomber and things like that, you know, the 70s or whatever. Imagine what they're talking about now. Eric Weinstein has some very interesting ideas about it. He thinks there's a separate branch of physics that was been secretly working on things. He points this one obscure university in New York state. Hot horse. And he kind of knows different. It has an insane physics department, like completely unqualified physics department.

2:11:29And it's also connected to this hedge fund that does like Bernie made off type numbers. There's got to be what is going on. Yeah, there's got to be something going on. Listen, the things that we're unaware of are are vast. And also there's probably a lot of these billionaires privately funding stuff. The government's getting in. Everybody's kind of getting in. That's kind of the book I'm reading where they're like, they're trying to create fake people. AI people. They're, you know, those news network. This is what they're doing. But they want to, you know, like, I don't know. It's it's it's all very creepy.

2:12:04And none of it seems like it's it's all going to be good. It's not stable. Let's say like when they were creating penicillin, we're like, oh, we get it. You get sick. Here's the medicine. This is odd. Right. Well, this does not have a practical application that tends towards, oh, that's going to be great. Not good for truth. No. Yeah, the Sam Altman thing was really interesting to me because I had him on the podcast. Open AI. Yeah, very interesting guy. And then he gets kicked out of the company. And then they bring him back. And then there's this talk that he wasn't straightforward. And I, you know, many people speculated that they think that Chan, GPT has reached the standard to be considered AG.

2:12:44Like artificial general intelligence, AGI. Right. Which means it's alive. It's means it's going to give this fucking thinking, calculating life. And Sam Altman left the company. It's about him back. And I'm going to tell everybody about this. No, no, no, they kicked him out. Interesting. The board removed him and then brought him back on. I don't know what happened. I bet something happened. Well, the thing is that they were saying that he wasn't being forthcoming or something to those, you know, something that sounds like that. They know what's going on. It's going to happen. It's going to happen.

2:13:19All the AI companies are moving in his hand friend. A lot of the big AI companies are moving in his hand friend. Yannis Popus used Chat GPT to show that SNL stole from him. Interesting. He has Chat GPT. Like, that's it. Like, who popularized that term? That's it. And said, Yannis Popus used it for his character. Interesting. That's what Chat GPT is doing. Chat GPT said that.

2:13:47That's interesting. Yeah. Well, it's certainly a terrible time to be, you know, like one of these people who, you know, is paranoid. Oh, yeah. Like, I often think my mother passed away, but she was paranoid. She was a schizophrenic. Now it's like, are they schizophrenics? Right. Or are they, because if you are unduly paranoid now, oh my god, it is just a daily dose of fucking stories that are like Jesus Christ. And we've gotten to the point where Alex Jones, despite all his troubles, makes sense. Not just makes sense, but a lot of people are like, hey, what did he say? Right. Right. Now he's back on Twitter or X.

2:14:36Yeah, well, he's just wild. He's going to do a daily show pointing out a lot of things over the years. Some of them have been correct. A lot of them. A lot of them have been correct. A lot of them. So you can't discount. Now some of them aren't. But you can't discount what he says anymore as easily as you could have. No, not as easily. It's like there are too so much insanity has gone on over the last three years. Like so many people like, what the fuck? Well, the erosion of trust in everything from the government media church. Every institution we have is completely kind of collapsed in terms of how we view them.

2:15:14And we now see how politically motivated they are, how corrupt they are, how criminal they are. And now that we're just left in a world of individuals, some of whom are truth seeking, some of whom are sociopaths, some of whom are funny, some of whom are whatever. But now we're just kind of left with a world of people trying to figure it out on their own. And it's pretty scary. Because some of those people are going to build cults and communes. And everybody's going to drink the poison and they're trying to go find a hellbop comment. And some of them are going to build media companies, some of them are going to build AI bots, some of them are going to build.

2:15:55And some of them are going to come up with new religions. But it seems to be now that everybody's operating outside of the institutions. Yes. And that the people that are still operating within the institutions are almost taking cues, all of the honest pop is like, from people on the outside. So it does seem like the institutions are rotting a bed. They're trapped. Especially the media. They're so trapped in the television format. Yeah. That format sucks. Well, it's just people not wanting to lose their job. Yep. That's all it is. It's people protecting their own revenue source. That's all it is.

2:16:40It'll go on as long as they can. It's the most basic human desire to protect your family and your money. And that's a thing that no one ever thought was going to go away. And no one thought it was going to go away. And now it's going away in the pace of it. And the pace of change is disorienting. And people are like, what the fuck's going on? And you know, now we're in the Wild West. And the Wild West has its problems. It has a ton of benefits. We all know them. Yeah. A lot of information. You know, but then the Wild West has a lot of problems. Yeah. And it's deep fakes. It's the AI stuff. It's what isn't real.

2:17:22Yeah. What did and did not happen. Right. A lot of charismatic, cunning people are going to be able to manipulate this technology. And you know, you know, a lot of� people are going am iki Oh, manner of events that may or may not have happened. Wait till they come with fake police shootings that didn't happen. Wait till they just start manufacturing footage from something that did not happen. And there's people in the street riding about a thing that did not happen. How far away from that? A week? Because foreign actors could easily do something like that. If they wanted to start sort of. Oh, for sure.

2:18:02Chaos. Dude, for sure. Oh. That's the type of stuff that you want to so care us. And you could do stuff like that combined. And people wouldn't tear or sell. Yeah. And dude, people wouldn't believe that it didn't happen. They'd go, the government's covering it up. Right. They're saying it's right. Well, there's so much confusion. That's the big problem with not having a main source of information that's reliable. That's right. And then people have to search around a lot. A lot of people don't do it. They don't search around. Just make it in for wars. Nah. Just make it in for wars. What's the worst that could happen?

2:18:37Just if we got to do one, he's been right enough of the time. He's been right more than CNN. Just give, just have it be in for forces our national news. That's our BBC. I mean, if you think about what they did, you think about what these governments in conjunction. What is this? Back on Twitter. Yeah, I was just saying that. I was getting it. I was getting it all day. Oh, yeah, he's back on Twitter. But he also has a new show that he's doing. Right. At the end of the day, he's going to do, like after he does his main show, he's going to break down all the different things that they talked about.

2:19:09What I'm going to do is when I'm on that next week, I'm going to be out FaceTime, CAA, all my agents and go, Hey, because the thing is, they can't even get ready anymore because they just need you to sell tickets. When you can't even. We're on the podcast. It was one of my favorite times. It's one of the greatest things I've ever been a part of and done. And I think it's like this iconic moment of like encapsulating the world at one of the wildest times ever before an election, before a contentious election. Yeah. And it was, yeah, I mean, it was an amazing time in the red bill, the old one, the old studio.

2:19:52Yeah, it was amazing. It was fun. Yeah, it was a fun time. It was a good time. And he was on, he was great. He was really sharp and really. The fucked up thing is how many things he was right about. Like when he's talking about like polio being something that kids are getting from this vaccine and Africa, they had a stopgivant. What are you talking about? And he pulls up this AP story like, holy shit. Well, all the people that he calls out, listen, we always talk about this stuff, right? He infiltrated Bohemian grove and stuff like that. It's like, it's blatantly obvious to everybody that all of this secretive, you know, whatever you want to call it, whether it's you want to say deep state or whatever it is, they don't want anything they're talking about out there.

2:20:42The real rationale for the decisions that are being made, they don't want out there. They don't want that out there. That's why Harvard and Yale and these places exist. That's why all of these secrets societies exist. They're all groups that create loyalty amongst a group of very, you know, people that could be very powerful, certainly are usually very rich. And they're just, that's why all these things exist. And then this guy comes around and breaks into one of them with cameras and shows all of those people in cloaks, mock sacrificing an owl or whatever, or mock sacrificing a child. I think the effigy of a child with a big owl, you know, it's creepy.

2:21:23It would be creepy if those people were all broke. Not only are they not broke, they're the most powerful people in the world. It's doubly creepy, right? Even if it is just a big orgy, whatever they do, there's a lot that they don't want you to know. And the fact that guys that came around there, they don't, that is unsustainable. They don't want that. No, that's not good. I remember something I was going to talk about before you were on a rant, when we're talking about people existing in these AI realms, that this is probably going to, are people going to get indicted for crimes that are committed in virtual reality?

2:22:07What I was thinking is these things are going to be run by the same kind of companies that run YouTube, right? And now imagine the restrictions that YouTube puts on content. Yeah, me YouTube would take you off if you had anything that didn't go with the COVID narrative. They'll take you off if you have anything that doesn't go with the gender narrative. They'll demonetize you, they'll limit your reach, they'll shadow ban you, they'll do whatever they want. Now imagine if that is life. Imagine if most life now takes place in some sort of a digital realm that's owned by a corporation. And then that corporation decides to impose its ideology and all the people that exist in that realm.

2:22:47Well, it's also like one of the things that was interesting in this book was when does a crime start? This is very interesting. Was it thought with a thought? That's right. At what point does a crime would stop it? Because we have all this metadata showing kind of what you, what we can create a compositive view on what you're thinking about. When can we stop it? These are all very interesting things that are going to come up that are coming up right now. And these are debates that are going to have to be had as more and more of our life exists on these virtual platforms. This is only the beginning, right?

2:23:25Like we're still in the infancy of like what this is all going to look like. I don't think we can even guess, right? I think it's going to be so fucking bizarre, so quick. And the thing is if we get hit by something like whatever took out the ancient Egyptians and the civilisation, if we get hit by something there will be no evidence. Everything is going to be on hard drives. That's right. You're never going to get it. That's right. No one's going to know what the fuck Aristotle said. No one's going to know. Someone's going to go, someone wore this coat. Yeah. They're going to find this coat. They're going to go, they were wearing this.

2:23:59He had a spear and he wore that and he hunted shields. Right. Little did they know. They're never going to read the work of Feynman. It's all going to be gone. The books are going to be insanerated. The little bit of hard drives will be rotted out and we're going to have to do it all over again. And I think that's what they did. I think that's what people, when you look at ancient Greece, I think those are the people doing it all over again. And I think the real people that did it at the first were the Egyptians. Right. Whoever was around at that time that didn't have those insane monuments. But we know that they did.

2:24:28That's like the best evidence you could ever have in front of your face. There's a piece of this puzzle that's missing. Look at that. Definitely a big piece of the puzzle that's missing and it is interesting to think about because it's about 2024. If you look back at 2014 and look at the changes to our society in 10 years, expedited by the pandemic and things like that. Yeah. You imagine 2034. It's going to get wild. Oh my God. It's going to get wild. That's going to be like. Is it going to be where me and you are able to meet for coffee in a virtual world of our choosing? Most certainly. That's exactly what that's already happening.

2:25:19That's already happening. The Lex Friedman Mark Zuckerberg podcast they did. Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. They look exactly like them and it's just avatars talking. Like eye movement, lip movement, everything. They're wearing these goggles. And so that seems to be coming. That's 100%. That's coming out. It's going to streamline. It's going to be small and then it's eventually going to be in your body. And then when it's in your body, you're going to have the ability to be anywhere at any time you want and not really where you are. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's inevitable. And then also communication with people of all these different languages instantaneously will have, either will have a universal language or will have instantaneous translation to the language of your choice.

2:26:05And there'll be no confusion anymore. It's going to feel silly that we were debating whether the background actor who was a hot dog guy could be reproduced with that just in satellite. Right. And I understand why we got to have all those discussions. But things are going to get so crazy. They were going to look back at that goal. That was quaint. They're doing this. There's a dam and it's leaking. And they're doing this with their fingers. And it's not enough. That thing's going to come down. And I don't think there's anything we could do about it. I think AI actors are inevitable. AI films that are amazing, that are entirely designed, written, performed by AI.

2:26:41I think it's inevitable. And I think when the first one comes out, that's a fucking banger. We're going to be all on board. Because you can fail with this. What is this, Jamie? Have you seen this commercial going around? No. I'll play it for you. It's pretty interesting. AI pin. You've seen on TV a lot over the last few days. So it's a pin you carry with you instead of having a cell phone. Right. You wear this. And there's multiple companies with these. All right. Can I eat this? Yes. Dragon fruits are low in sugar. What we hear? Hey, what should I get here? What's at your liqueur de la chimala?

2:27:13What we see? Yeah. So this is sort of like right, right down. That would become nicer if that was embedded in your wrist. Just give me the chip. And by the way, human to human experiences when it comes to customer service and things like that, they've been declining. Because everyone's so used to the internet. Like people are like person to person. You walk into a store now. People are running away from you. They don't want to help you. It's better. Let's just do this. Are you playing songs from the last time we were here? She said play songs from the last time we were here. It's recording stuff all day.

2:27:49Oh, boy. Translating it and putting in some sort of files that can go and reference it. Oh, the NSA is going to get you. You could ask it to recall stuff. What was Tim saying yesterday at 2 o 'clock? Oh, well, don't do that. Don't do that. Fun, fun times. 2 o 'clock was a rough day. There will be no more secrets in the future. There will be mind reading. We'll be everywhere. You will never get away from your thoughts. Other people are reading your thoughts. Everyone's going to know how much money you make, where you live, everything about you. It's going to get fucking squirrels. It's your life, but for everyone.

2:28:23It's like a life of a celebrity where people know those things. But more, they will know your thoughts. That'll be in truth. Every moment will be in truth. Intrusive. Intrusive. There's going to be people that decide to opt out, shut it off, but then I guarantee you that people will be able to go to the Christmas village. Like it's going to be the holiday village. You probably can't fly unless you ever show up. They're not going to let you do it. I want to know if you're a terrorist. Yeah, that's right. We can't fly in this plane. What if I think you're going to take over the cockpit? We're going to live in a time of certainty.

2:28:54And that's going to be scary because it does kind of take some of the romance interests. Some of the excitement out of life is knowing everything. And in the middle of all that, that's when AI is going to just start running shit. And start going, get out. Isn't the fun of sitting across the table from somebody going, what's that guy or woman? Like, what are they about? Right. There's something interesting about it. You've done it more than anyone. To me, it's like if we just live in a world where everybody's thoughts are kind of available, it seems like I think it's coming, man. Yeah, no, no, I don't doubt it.

2:29:31I don't think we can stop it. And I think it's going to be the thing that transcends us. The thing that moves us from what we are now into what we're going to become. I think it's going to happen technologically. I don't think it's going to happen. What do you think? Can you put a year on it? 2030? No, no, no. I think we have a couple of years. I think we have a couple of years before things get real strange. Because I think artificial general intelligence is going to emerge. And when they start implementing it, and if they decide to implement it in government, that's when things are going to get really crazy.

2:30:01If they can figure out a way to stop corruption through artificial intelligence, who's not going to be on board? If artificial intelligence can make all transactions completely equitable and fair, and morally just and righteous, and make an even distribution of government finance, and take care of all the complex problems. Well, that's when they'll shut it society. That's when they'll go fast. But if they can sneak their way in, and they can sneak their way in and run things. And then what if artificial general intelligence decides that eugenics is a really good idea? Because it's what we do with certain animals.

2:30:32We don't let bad dogs that like to bite people. We don't let them breed. For sure. Yeah, what if that happens? A little happen. It could get real weird. And I don't think anybody has any idea how weird. Because I think we all just have to see. We have to see where all this stuff goes. We have to see what happens. And if artificial general intelligence, once they start using it to make better technology, wow, that's going to be cool. Doesn't it feel like comedy will be one of the last things, though, to get affected? For the biological humans that remain, the last days of their lives, they'll be chuckling and drinking and smoking cigarettes and trying to avoid cancer.

2:31:06And then the new humans will take over. And they won't want comedy. They don't want it. They're not going to care. They're not going to care. They can just be happy anytime they want. They're just going to be able to manipulate their own. Do you think you will ever interview an AI bot? 100%. Yeah, I think there'll be someone sitting there, like that lady from fucking X Machina. That's crazy. Works with me. And you'll be like, thanks for doing this. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Guarantee. That's a crazy thought. That X Machina movie is so fucking, it's so perfect for right now. Go, please, it's one of my all -time favorite movies.

2:31:41I've watched that movie at least five times. Someone listening to this, go watch that fucking movie because that's common. That's common. I love the end of it. I won't give away the end of it. It's crazy. You're going, oh wow. It's amazing. The guy who plays the dude from Star Wars, that plays the genius guy that invents it. What's that guy's name? But maybe we need this. You know, if we're just going to find about Trump forever and you know, like maybe we just Oscarize it. Maybe a couple of bots. Maybe a botter to him. This would be the last gas or biological existence, the Trump election. It's so funny that you're probably right and that's what we're doing.

2:32:17It's like the last thing human beings can do is yell about Donald Trump. Yep. This is it on these apps. Trump, Putin, G -Zing, Ping, and then. These are the last human leaders we have. Yeah. All right, Tim Dillon. I love you. Joe Rogan. Thank you so much. My pleasure, brother. We're going to have fun tonight. Yes. I'm excited. Thanks everybody. Watch Tim Dillon's show. It's fucking amazing. Thank podcast. Incredible Netflix special. Everything. You can build comedy that comes from live tickets. It's me and AR. Let's go. Thank you. Bye, buddy.