#2080 - John Reeves

51:34Everyone's like oh we'd have utopia But would be, would we? I don't know I mean it seems like we're designed for chaos We're designed for constant struggle And maybe that's like an engine To further encourage innovation And to further encourage society to progress further and further And that you have to battle against these evil forces You have to battle against incompetent government Otherwise you have no motivation to do better Well I think the pandemic was brought on a whole series of mental disorders in this country Oh yeah In this world We're getting set up for it again probably Yeah And you were talking once about quite desperation Yeah There's a lot of people that were worried I was worried You know I have a family when all that started going on Going oh no Yeah I want to protect my family if I can I can't Nobody can Not when they're making viruses and labs For what reason?

52:44Right Why would you make that virus? Right You know, it's crazy Right Why are you making them more infectious, more dangerous, more deadly? Why are you taking viruses that were never designed to infect humans And didn't exist in the human population and you're engineering them? Why? So you can study them so you can get research money? What are you doing? Maybe that virus is designed to make people a little crazy I'm sure there are You know, just make them go nuts Kind of like what's going on Right We got shit going on You know, you're talking about planet killers We can kill this planet right now if we want All those triggers get pulled and all that Oh yeah Many times over Yeah That's where we're at It's unfortunate that we have to live like that and think about that We shouldn't be thinking about that No We shouldn't be No, we shouldn't be But we are But again, maybe that's part of the design of how the human race evolves That it has to go through these things In order to have an incentive to restructure things and get better I don't know I don't know The problem is also our personal timeline of being a human being is so limited and so short That by the time you realize how fucked everything is, it's sort of the end of your ride Yep By the time you really, if you ever read War is a racket by Smetley Butler No It's a great piece that was written by a guy who was a general Who it was in the 1930s And at the end of his career he wrote this piece called War is a racket And what he thought he was doing versus what the motivation for these military actions actually were He would find that, Jamie And it's a very famous piece that was written by Smetley Butler War is a racket Yeah, the book's not very long but this is a great quote, War is a racket, it's always been It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious Is the only international in scope The only one international in scope is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives And he wrote this very long piece explaining all the military campaigns that he was involved in And what they were really about was about making things, you know, protecting bankers, protecting the investments of oil companies And all the different things that what he thought they were and what they really were I spent 33 years in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for big business For Wall Street and for bankers, in short I was a raccoteer, a gangster for capitalism And he wrote that in 1935 Wow And he had figured it out by the end of his tenure, you know, when he was looking back at his career as like Jesus Christ I thought I was doing the right thing I thought I was protecting the world You know, you get so many years and like we've made it both around, one more trip around his sons as I saw you last time Yeah And what he mammoths had a built -in escape, you get six sets of teeth When the last set is gone, you've starved to death Yeah Real simple Real simple, that's the wild The wild is a built -in system And our ancestors, you know, that were living with us And I'll say this because I know they were living with us back in the ice age And they weren't working against us and we weren't working against them All that we wanted to do was survive from one day to the next This was so brutal And that's all they wanted to do You know, I went off on this a little bit recently about the way that we portray mammoths being the extinction caused by humans I'm going, no, you got it all wrong We live with them side by side for tens of thousands of years What if we kind of lived together?

56:57What if we went out and collected their wool and made clothing? What if we didn't run them off cliffs? I've seen the spear tips You're not going to stick that through five inches of fur, three inches of skin, leather To hit a vital organ and a woolly mammoth thrown by a guy from me to Jamie First of all, you're not going to get that close It'll stop the shit out of you Woolly mammoths had ten, twelve foot tusks They just don't stand there going, oh, stick a spear in me They're swinging their head and they're cleaning their cleaning stuff out The short face bearer's new better Short face bearer will go after baby mammoth, but not a big woolly mammoth I think they were kind of like domesticated to some degree Same thing with musk oxen I talked to Slingesby up there and I know him about this He spends a lot of time out there with the musk oxen He sees how they protect their young I can see kind of us living with those guys Domesticating them to some degree Hey, you live us and then we'll leave you alone but let's work together We didn't always stick spears in them You know, all the paintings you see now, even prints on online shows This caveman sticking a spear in a mammoth I call bullshit on that And you know why I can do that Because nobody can say you're full of shit Because they don't know either No, it's a lot of speculation And until the younger dries impact theory The main theory is to do the extinction event was the berserker theory That human beings had become such effective hunters And by the way, this was this preceded the invention of the bow and arrow This is the Adel Adel So which is essentially like a better method of throwing a spear Like I have this thing that I throw the ball for with my dog Yeah, we got one of those You know what I mean?

58:58It's like a cup at the end of it And a long stick and it allows you to whip that ball really far with leverage And they had something along those lines that they would throw a spear with And you know, you probably could kill some young mammoths with that You definitely could kill some bison with that And Caribou I could kill some stuff But kill them all No No I don't think so either I think it was an impact event This episode is brought to you by Visible Is your wireless full of stuff you didn't sign up for? Don't need or don't understand Visible gives you everything you want from wireless and nothing you don't No confusing plans, no hidden fees, no nonsense With Visible, you just get unlimited everything Unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot all powered by Verizon's 5G network Plus, they're an all digital wireless service So you can easily switch within a matter of minutes from your phone Either in their app or online Ready to switch?

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1:02:30Well first of all you can go kill that caribou skin at gut it needed for a few days, meat won't go bad Right You knock over woolly mammoth with the 2500 pounds of meat, you ain't going to eat very much before it all goes bad Yeah And we have a woolly mammoth brain in our one of our permafrost tunnels Oh really? Yeah, we were way ahead on this frozen DNA stuff We formed a little, we have permafrost tunnels They stay frozen year round, there's no electricity, there's no cost to it, it stays frozen And that's what you have to do with the unamed material, keep it frozen So you find something substantial, you put it in one of the tunnels And come back to that later, we'll get that later So you have the brain that's inside of the skull?

1:03:22No, it's outside the skull Really? Yeah, it was found frozen And we've had pain in the pelvis How is it outside the skull? Probably the woolly mammoth got ripped apart and the brain got frozen into the gravel and the muck How intact is it? Half of it's there Wow And the pain in the towel just doesn't come out You got a photo of this thing? I don't know if I posted one or not I'll have to look That's pretty intense It is, I think I got one, not I'll ask you if he's got one There's a company in Dallas that's going to supposedly bring them back You know about this? Mm -hmm They have, I think, an Indian elephant which has a large percentage of the DNA that a woolly mammoth has And then they're going to splice that with whatever DNA they have of woolly mammoths And they're going to recreate woolly mammoths How far away we from Jurassic Park?

1:04:23How far away we from some asshole But no fucking dinosaur in Costa Rica Those guys were all up in Fairbanks That ones you're talking about Brought them out to the bone yard Yeah Showed them some of the stuff we got Now I'll go out on a limb here This ain't about clone and woolly mammoths It's about cloning humans And so you think they're trying to do it effectively with woolly mammoths first? I think they're already doing the humans We just don't know about it because of the ethical issues it brings up Yeah I've always said that if the moment they tell you they can clone humans The person telling you's probably a clone By the time they tell us All I know is that some of my DNA material is in that permerfrost tunnel And with instructions If down the road somebody in the family wants to bring the old man back I'm your huckleberry Well you know they're doing it right now with human pets With people's pets you can get your cat cloned You can get your dog cloned Get your horse cloned Yeah Race horses Dolly sheep Yeah I think Dolly was the first one Well there was a group called the Second Coming Project So while back where they were trying to use DNA material from the shroud of turn to clone Jesus Jesus H.

1:05:53Christ That guy I think though the shroud of turn has been proven to be fraudulent And that it's I believe it's only 500 years old So it's not really Jesus's image that was in the cloth And it looks fake Have you seen the shroud of turn? I've seen pictures of it It's a little hokey Yeah Looks like with someone 500 years ago would think Look I found Jesus is covering This is what he died and there it is right there Yeah That looks like a guy So just outside the hotel last night Yeah that looks like you know when they find the Virgin Mary and a fucking grilled cheese sandwich You know? You know?

1:06:43Shroud of turn Okay Is a length of linen cloth that bears a faint image of the front and the back of a man has been venerated for centuries Especially by members of the Catholic Church As the actual burial shroud used to wrap the body of Jesus of Nazareth after his crucifixion And upon which Jesus' bodily image is miraculously imprinted the human image on the shroud can be discerned More clearly in a black and white photograph negative photographic negative Then in its natural sepia color and effect discovered in 1898 by Sakhandopia who produced the first photographs of the shroud This negative image is associated with the popular Catholic devotion to the holy face of Jesus The shroud's authenticity as a holy relic has been disputed even within the Catholic Church And radio carbon dating has shown it to be medieval artifact with the main image created Via prolonged differential exposure of a prepared fabric to bright sunlight So the documented history of the shroud dates back to 1354 when it was exhibited And the new collegiate church of Leary of village north of France the shroud was denounced as a forgery by the bishop of Troyes in 1389 It was acquired by the house of Savoy in 1453 and later deposited in a chapel in Chambray Where it was damaged by fire in 1532 and 1578 the Savoy's moved the shroud to their new capital in turn where it has remained ever since So what was the years that they found it?

1:08:29Yeah, it has scroll down a little bit in 1988 radio carbon dating by three different laboratories established the shroud's linen material was produced between the years 1260 and 1390 To a 95 % confidence level defenders of the authenticity of the shroud have questioned those results usually on the basis of the samples tested might have been contaminated or taken from a repair of the original fabric Yeah, but imagine if that's how Jesus comes back I mean, you know the whole idea is that Jesus eventually going to come back when the shit hit the fan like okay guys I'll let you try it on your own forever, but now I'm back.

1:09:14I mean what better time for Jesus to come back when they've figured out a way to fucking make humans out of DNA That would be a good time for Jesus to go whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Don't you guys have bigger problems? Yeah, our our side is called clone fathers and we haven't done a lot with it because it's emerging technology let's say But can you imagine raising your own clone? Imagine raising a little you Uh -uh What? I'd have to put it in the bag and throw it over the into the river I would know what to teach it Because I would want it if it was gonna be me if it had to make all the fucking mistakes that I've made And I would try to tell it hey don't do that But you can't because it has to make those mistakes in order to really appreciate the negative consequences of those actions Yeah, your folks were telling you don't do that and you did it anyway They weren't telling me shit, which is why I did it I was a lock key kid, you know, which is probably how I turned out the way I am But the baby that if I had a baby me and I was raising I wouldn't raise it that way I'd bring it to the best schools I'd take care or give it hugs all the time I'd give it all this love it would have no motivation to be the kind of person that I am today Who is motivated at least in part by neglect Well, you've done quite well and congratulations on being the most widely watched podcast on the face of this planet If that's not reason for the aliens to land, I don't know what it is No, you're bringing you're bringing a lot of needed information to the world You really are Well all I'm doing is All I'm doing is going after what I'm curious about That's all I'm doing all I'm doing is approaching and engaging with things that I'm curious about That's it.

1:11:18Yeah, that's the whole it's this this whole thing is run basically with three people and my iPhone Literally, yeah, I don't there's no no one's telling me who to have on or what to do And you know that because how do you and I book these podcasts just you and me text messaging Yeah, hey, what are you doing come on back? I loved it. Let's do it. It's fun and I think that's part of well also the reason why it's successful Is that people know even though this is on Spotify and there's a massive corporation behind it that distributes it and all that Spotify leads me alone at the end of the line is just me and Jamie I mean the real the people that are making this podcast the people that decide thing Jamie and I have we just have conversations It's just me and him.

1:12:08Yeah, just talking. What do you think we should do? That's it? That's it kind of what Drew and I are like we're just two guys in a truck Yeah, we leave the house in the morning phone rings. That's also why it's interesting. That's also why it resonates with people People don't like it like if you get your news from CNN Jesus Christ how many fucking people are behind that thing? How many executives and producers and how much financial influence is involved and everything that gets on the air? How much incentive to the people that have that are saying those things? What how are they being pushed?

1:12:45How are they being motivated by progressing their careers along the same path? What lines are they not willing to cross? What toes they not want to step on? What narratives are they pushing? You don't trust it. There's just too much nonsense and also the way they talk like the way those old timing they had things to worry about more than just a caveman Like that's phony talk right that's the the modern phony talk is the phony talk of the people that are the broadcasters on MSNBC That's modern phony talk people don't like that. It doesn't feel right to them They like when when they talk to a guy like you so like I found it fucking sprayed water at the permafrost like I found this I know this is the guy who actually found it I don't have to deal with an institution.

1:13:31I'm not dealing with a museum. I'm not dealing with the university. I'm not dealing with a board of investors and dealing with one guy. That's what people like. The only thing that resonates with a human being that's listening to this on the other end. And I think what resonates with people about our boney art is that it's real time. This shit's going on real time. Real time. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not going well that that bone there is only 190 years old so I better put it away so nobody knows. Right. Right. Exactly. When we found that I'm going holy shit. It's in the bones on man. Yeah.

1:14:06This is ice age shit. That's what we thought. And then boom. No it's 190 years old. Okay. Now we got a real problem. Yeah. Now it's even more interesting. It is. Yeah. And like I said we don't sell them. We can. What how could you put a price on that? Right. Could you? Could you? I mean it's a million dollars for a saber -toe tire skull. You know how much is it? I mean how many millions and millions and millions of dollars are all the bones that just the AMNH has. Yeah. How many? How many? I mean if you put them up for auction hundreds of hundreds of millions. Oh yeah. A lot of money. Yeah. Meanwhile it's just on your Instagram.

1:14:52Yeah. By the way that bone jurors. This is mine. Yeah. Thank you. I love it. I told you I was going to fix it. Oh thank you. You got a spitzer bone. That's pretty dope. I love it that it's actually the bone. You see here folks where the chunk has been sought off. That's what I'm going to say. I've been dated. Yeah. That's what I took. I was a little aggressive on that because I want to make sure they had enough material. I wonder what kind of a saw they had back then. 200 years ago. It could have been a whipsaw. Who knows? It could have been a little handheld. It's just so fascinating to think back to 200 years ago the actual human that was on through that.

1:15:34Yeah. And then as it goes through time, frozen into the ground, pushed out with water, found by you, cut and sent to get DNA tested and carbon dated and then it comes back to here. Boom. Where it belongs. It seems like it belongs here. It does. It does belong here. Yeah. It's right here. Yeah. Forever. You put your pens in there. That's not a bad deal. No. I mean they had pens back in it. With feathers. They wrote a constitution with that shit. Tapes are gone. That sucker. There you go. We have some that aren't empty of the marrow. But we only sampled one so far. We might have to sample one or two more.

1:16:18How many things have you carbon dated? That's the only one I've ever. Of the bones. Of the 300 ,000 we found that's the only one I ever carbon dated. And we've had maybe 10 others carbon dated by other people. And what is the oldest one that you found? 40 ,000. That's off the most latest one. It probably goes back farther than that. But 50 ,000 is about as reliable as you can get on carbon 14. And what animal is it that was 40 ,000 years old? William Amath. Those mammoth ivory. So from 40 ,000 to our next oldest was 22 ,000. There's a lot of thousands in between them. What happened then? Yeah.

1:17:04Where are the people? Right. Well, you have found evidence of human beings. Right. What's that one bone that has a human face carved into it that you've? Yeah, that one. That one there is. That was found on a tailing pile. That looks a lot like the shroud of turn. By the way. Yeah. That's that. That's that's that's that's the Virgin Mary and a grocery sandwich. What paleontologists told you that's natural natural. And I look at what come cut the shit cheeks nose mouth eyes. And I posted that Joe and about half the comments were Jesus Christ learned how to take a picture. Would you? Yeah, right?

1:17:48The only thing in focus is you better your pickup. That's true. But that's the problem with iPhones right or any kind of phone. Yeah, I mean, come on guys. Yeah, I'm a boner. Yeah, that does not look even remotely natural. That looks absolutely like a face that was carved into a bone. Why would they say that that's natural? That's so silly. It is. It's so silly to say that because it just makes you look stupid because that might be natural under the craziest of circumstances. It might be natural that a symmetrical face with eyelids and eyebrows and cheeks and a nose and a mouth and I mean everything about it is carved.

1:18:30It almost looks like that shrouded Jesus. Yeah, it's almost the same face. Very similar. But the idea that that is natural is just fucking stupid. Yeah, come on. Come on. So stupid. Has that been carbon dated? No, no. You see what I did to the one I gave you. Mm -hmm. A lot of people go, you need to carbonate all your fossils. Okay. I'm gonna have 400 bucks a pop and I got 300 ,000. That's 1 .2 million. I'm sorry, 120 million. You want me to spend? Well, also with that maybe it's an old bone that someone carved thousands of years later. That's possible. It was on top of a tail and by one of the bone yard.

1:19:13Yeah, we have gravel and gravel pits and mines everywhere. How could paleontologists with a straight face? That's natural. I mean, it might be under the craziest of circumstances. It might be natural. But the if you had a bet, if you had a bet, everything you had. I'm going to put it on red or put it on black. You know, I'm putting it on someone had a fucking stone or a knife or whatever it was and they carved that face. Yeah, that looks carved as fuck. It looks like it to me. Yeah. I think it looks at to 99 .9 % of the population. Other than people that vested interest in it being natural. Yeah.

1:19:58Yeah. For what reason? Just to push a narrative? Like why would you say that that's natural? No, I have with my friends at AM and H. They said with witnesses, unfortunately for them. Two of the up to the ups there said the reason they don't want to give the bones back to me is they think I'm going to sell them. No, let's think about that. That's stupid. You have a hundred times more than that. Just sit in a fucking warehouse that you've never sold. And I met with the University of Alaska State Senate recently, true and I met with them. And we said we had this deal lined out 22 years ago. They were supposed to return everything in the basement to Alaska.

1:20:45We agreed to it. I funded it. I put money in the account to make that happen. Time goes by while we can't because there's a possesses in the ceiling. But it has to be abated. Okay, abate it. Let me know when you're done. I'll come get them. Well, we got sight tracked with 15 years at the bone yard 16 years. I said, no, I'm better at this unfinished business. I need to go get those. In the meantime, I said, fuck this guy. Yeah, fuck this dirt tramp. We're going to keep him. He's just going to sell them. How crazy. Let's let's show the images of what you have that you have and sold just so people understand how silly that is because you have photographs on the Instagram that show massive amounts of tusks and bones and that's just one day right there.

1:21:33Yeah, let me we'll go and scroll down because show show the warehouses. Jamie because he's got warehouses. What is that of the cave drawings? What is that scroll back up that art? The one in the middle. It little right above the guy with the good. That was something that I saw online after I came out and I said that we domesticated the Willie mammoth. Somebody sent me that picture. It's a guy on top of a mammoth. Yeah, a guy on top of a mammoth. Whoa. And you know how your kids you got a golden retriever. You know, kids take a brush and it dog just lays there and they comb the hair out of it. Yeah.

1:22:12Why wouldn't we do that with the Willie mammoths? Well, listen, we know people write elephants. I wrote an elephant in Thailand. You can write elephants and domesticate them. If you treat them right, they'll let you write them. Yeah, the fossilized creature. The mummy. Yeah, what is that? Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Down. Is it up there? No, you had it. It's it's a little down further, buddy. There it is. There it is. Yeah. What is that little fella? Well, we don't know yet. We. Is it look like a rat or a shrew when Dick Mall was up there doing his research for that film. You know, Dick Mall.

1:22:54Yeah, he talked about it before. Yeah. Yeah. Just wait for you to say what an unfortunate name. Yeah, it is an unfortunate name. He said, keep your eyes out for our background squirrel. And that has been a few years ago. This year, we just found that this year. We've never found one before and it was still frozen. So that looks like it could be a ground squirrel. It could be. And I've got other pictures of it where you can actually see the ribs. I mean, it's really unbelievable. Well preserved. I gave it to the museum up there. I said, here, you guys, this is out of my league. You guys do the research and they took it and they're still studying it, but they've had it since July.

1:23:40Scroll back up a little, Jamie. A little down, a little down, a little down. What is that to the right? That, yeah, that's a mammoth tooth that my buddy that carved those pipes. Oh, he carved that into the mammoth tooth. Yeah. Wow. A couple of pieces. By the way, this is a good time for me to give you something that I got from him. Oh, you like it. Okay.

1:24:09What was that? That's a pipe. Oh, wow. What is this man out of? You think it'll work? Yep. It's a new sick. A new sick. Yeah. What's that mean? Jamie. What's a new sick? Yeah. That one guy that have you a champ. Oh, oh, S .I .K. Oh, oh, S .I .K. Oh, it's a dick. Well, I can't believe Joe Roomb put a walrus dick in his mouth. That's the first one in half. We've got another one in another room somewhere. Yeah, we have a what do we have another walrus dick fossilized walrus bone? Yeah. Anyway, that's so. So there's a walrus dick. Yeah. Well, not a big one. No, there's a broken one. Yeah, which tends to happen with dick bones.

1:24:58Sometimes wild. Yeah. You never know what happens. Yeah. Wow. They anyways, he carved. He carved that up. And I said, I'm going to give it to Joe. It's a good conversation starter. Yeah. What are they called again? There's a word for those bones other than usick. There's a word for fossilized. I forget what the word is. Steve Vinella told to me when he gave it to me. Yeah, it's right. Vacuum. That's the tactical term. How do you remove a raccoon back? We just been doing what we did when we saw you last time. Just continuing. I told you that. Hey, man, I don't have a whole new to report on all the new bones we found because we're finding so many different kind of things we've never found before.

1:26:14But when we moved the whole operation down to where we started, but a new pump started up that left left limit. We're starting to find all kinds of shit. We're just trying to find. Yeah, that's all new. That's what's still in the basement. That's just nuts. The amount of stuff you have is just absolutely nuts. You know, when that guy wasn't looking, I grabbed the sample that as best as containing material over the where the lights are. This is in the AMNH. This is all your stuff that they think you're going to sell. If you get it out of there, it was just hilarious. What's funny about that is, so what is my stuff?

1:26:50It came off patented ground. I can sell it if I want to. But I don't need to. I don't want to. I want to study it. I want to find out what happened. Why did all the animals go extinct? Right. The 65 % of the megafauna at the same time. Right. Something big going on. Something big. And Pat Druckermiller says the secrets are in the bones. They have diagnostic tools now that can tell what the animal was to eat and how many times it had sex. How far it traveled, how long it lived. Things that we don't even know what the questions are yet. We just need the puzzle pieces back so it can be studied. What really fascinates me is the skull on your t -shirt.

1:27:30What's the one on your t -shirt? Find some of those there. The problem with finding some of those there, though, that would change everything in terms of who goes and who could look at it. Right. One another one. Can you fill me up? Sure. I can. We'll talk deeper.

1:27:53Right. That's the problem. I think you call them the dude. Yeah. The dude. Yeah. The problem with the dude is then it becomes archaeology. Right. Yeah. Dudes are archaeology. Yeah. And dudes mean that the university is common. Or whoever. Government is common. Hypothetically, let's say you found a dude. Right. And hypothetically, let's say the university did come look at it. And hypothetically, they said, okay, you need to go turn yourself into the troopers. Why? Because that's those are human remains. So if somebody did find that, they'd have to go to the troopers and fill out a report. That's that we found that body.

1:28:40You'd have to say we found human remains. Right. Let's say the person taking the report said, let me get a homicide team out here to talk to you. And you so you'd hypothetically said that bone is older than everybody in this building. All their ancestors combined and going back a hundred generations. Well, we're not interested in that then get out of here. Well, get out of here after the reports written hypothetically. Hypothetically. Yeah. So everything was okay. So if hypothetically completely hypothetically, if they found a dude that's 40 ,000 years old, then shake its wild. Sure could. Because if they found this dude in the same level of permafrost, where you're finding woolly mammoths.

1:29:35Hypothetically, let's say it was ten feet away from a woolly mammoth skull. Hypothetically.

1:29:44Yeah. That would be very interesting. It would be very interesting. That's really interesting hypothesis. Also, is it anatomically modern? Is it a denisovan? You know, those type of humans that they found in that cave in Russia? Completely different branch of humans?

1:30:04I don't know about those. I haven't heard about those. Yeah, they found I don't know how much they found, but they found bones that are from I believe this was like, I want to say 2007ish 2017 somewhere around there. Real recently, they found this new branch of the human tree that's called the denisovan. When did they find that, Jamie? Jamie? James can look it up, but they were in Russia. There's many versions of human beings that coexisted apparently and Homsapiens were the... Article from 2019 says they recreated what it looks like from a pinky bone they found. First portrait of extinct denisovan human relative created from pinky bone DNA.

1:30:56Wow. Denisovan girl shown with dark hair piercing eyes in a broad face. So it was a completely different kind of human being, not in the end of tall, not a Homsapien. Something different. More than 100 ,000 years ago, modern humans in Eurasia lived alongside Neanderthals and denisovans, two other hominins that have since gone extinct. While much is known about Neanderthals and how they lived denisovans have remained enigmatic because only a handful of bone fragments from the ancient group have ever been found. But now they have a good idea of how denisovans look. In a study published Thursday in the journal Cell, scientists took DNA from a denisovan pinky bone found in a Siberian cave in 2008, there it is.

1:31:39And used it to predict denisovan anatomical features. I wonder how they did that. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Click that. 56 features that differ. What? Yeah. Oh, that's that's all it is. Wow. The little tiny piece of bone. How much denisovan bones have they found? The graded DNA molecules from a group of human relatives who went extinct tens of thousands of years ago have been reassembled using a new technique yielding a genetic code for the mysterious denisovans that meets the standard for modern humans. The findings are based on samples drawn from 40 milligrams of ground up bone from Siberian girls finger.

1:32:25They confirm what's imagine that they can tell it's a girl too. They confirm what scientists saw in a month. How do they know what gender it is? Why they misgendering this poor denisovan scientists saw much less detailed genetic sequence. They produced a couple years ago and addressed some of the deep questions surrounding the denisovans, but they also raise a few new questions, including a basic one just how old was the sample that they analyzed. Wow. Is that all they found? How much Google? How much how much? How many bone fragments have they found from denisovans? Thank God for scientists. They got a job on.

1:33:06Oh wow. Half a job on. Oh wow. And Tibet. Wow. They made it with the enders also. Wow. A hybrid bone reveals in life science. Click on that. Well here was that where they figured that out. That was 2022. Wow. So they're finding so from 2008 to 2022 they're finding more and more of these bones. Clothes is known extinct relatives of modern humans with a thick brow, Neanderthals and the mysterious denisovans. A bone fragment for Siberian caves. Perhaps of a teenage girls revealed the first known hybrid of these groups. A new study concludes the finding confirms in breeding that it only been hinted at an earlier genetic studies.

1:33:49Very amazing. Now a number of now extinct human lineages not only lived alongside modern humans, but even even interbred with them leaving traces of their DNA in the modern human genome. These lineages included the stocky Neanderthals as well as the anachmatic denisovans known from only a few teeth and bones unearthed in the denisovacave in the Altaim Mountains. Click on that now extinct human lineages. How many they have? Wow. They got a tooth. Wow. The scientists have just completed the sequencing the entire genome of species go scroll up. It was above it. The species of archaic humans called denisovans, the fossils consist of a finger bone and two mowers from the extinct lineage.

1:34:44Scientists don't know the precise age of the material found though the estimate it ranges between 30 ,000 and 80 ,000 years of age. Wow. About 40 ,000 years ago or so? Somewhere. Yeah. Somewhere along the same lines as the oldest shit you found in the bone yard. Wow. Wild stuff. We have no idea the range that we find because we've only sampled a few of them. Well that's what's really crazy is that the sheer amount of material that you guys have excavated is just a drop in the bucket. What's still there? You talked about the carbon. Yeah. We don't know how far it goes. We just know it's there. Yeah.

1:35:35We know that in front of it downstream of its decomposed bedrock and decomposed bedrock in that area has gold in it but it's very hard to recover the gold from because it's a clay and you can't wash it very good. But underneath that's another layer of bedrock. Did something come in hot? Something came in hot. Something caused a lot of water to melt real quick. See levels rose 400 feet worldwide. 400 feet. We came from Jacksonville yesterday. The east coast from Jacksonville was 85 miles farther east. That was all dry land. Holy shit. Now it's worldwide this happened. Talk about climate change.

1:36:24Climate change is climate change. It's always going to be a climate changing.

1:36:30I'm comfortable with that. We say we're melting the climate. We're melting the world. We're doing all this shit. Don't worry about the world. We don't have to be ash holes. We don't have to pollute it. We should take some care of it. Let's go electric vehicles all the time. People are saying that don't realize how much more copper has to be mined. How much more lead has to be mined. You're using fossil fuels for all that. You're not going to get a D11 dose or on batteries. You just not. You got to use fossil fuels. Yeah. And also the thing about this whole climate change argument is climate has never been stable.

1:37:16It's not like before humans it was ever like flat. Like you could predict it every year. Oh September 13th it's going to be 75 degrees. Nope. It's never been. Never ever. It's always been up and down. It's a constant, constant changing environment on this planet. It exists within a range where biological life can survive. But have you ever seen those structures that they found under the ocean outside of Japan? No. Fascinating. It's called the Yonaguni. And they've tried to say that these things are natural, naturally occurring. But Graham Hancock has dived with them and many other people as well.

1:37:57And there's right angles and there's portals. So there's all this stuff down there that just doesn't look at all like something that's natural. It looks like some ancient structure that was under the ocean a long, long, long time ago. Look, look at that. There's corridors and steps. They have no idea who made it. Why it's just immense structure that's underneath the ocean. See how deep that is. I'm sure they do. It's 165 known structure of unknown origin 85 feet underwater, the southern coast of a right. Raiyukyu islands in Japan. They would fit right in with the 400 foot. Yeah. Yeah. Fit right in with it.

1:38:43Yeah. I mean, look at that thing. Yeah. It's insane. But what's really insane is the pathways and the corridors and these things that just don't seem to the right angles that exist everywhere that just absolutely don't seem to be natural. They seem to be carved. It seems to be something that someone made a long, fucking time ago. Graham Hancock is absolutely convinced. He's like, when you swim down there with those things, there's no way. There's just no way. There's no way that that wasn't created wild stuff. And who knows what it really looked like? How many thousands of years ago before the water erosion, before whatever the impact did to it?

1:39:33You know, if you nowadays people want to get something done, they always put in the effects on the climate will benefit us from this study. If we do this study, it's good for climate change. I know the guys that are cloning the woolly mammoths are saying, they want to bring them back and put them inside Beary to keep the permafrost from melting and the methane and gas from escaping. Yeah. But for some reason, I have an idea that as soon as they get one out there on the on the steps, somebody's going to come along and go, hmm, how about shoot me a woolly mammoth? Especially if you put them in Russia.

1:40:18Yeah. Yeah. No, we've I think you got a steady population of them in Russia, someone for sure is going to say, do want to hunt the woolly mammoth? We can make this happen. How much money do you have my friend? There's never enough. Never enough. No, I mean, I know we're we're involved in the fossilized ivory market a little bit because we find broken tusks and we make stuff out of it. And there's a very few American crafts people that use woolly mammoth ivory to manufacture stuff. And I know last time we talked about it, you know, it might be kind of, but that's what we do. Yeah. Like I said, this is an adorable little hobby, but it's what my wife calls it.

1:41:06But when I go to pay 400 bucks for a carbon 14 sample, that means that's 100 gallons of fuel I didn't buy. So I kind of I kind of go like this. Yeah, right. I just zoomed by the fuel because this little hobby pays for itself. You guys buy this now buy fuel, put it in the pump and I'll go find more. And that did it to do. I want to just do that. Yeah, make real real nice things out of it. And this is a good time to give you this. She's got another gift. Oh, yeah. My daughter, my daughter, Alora, choose wife out there. Alora, longly. Last time I was here, I told her told you she's sex fifth avenue.

1:41:47She's beyond sex fifth avenue. She wanted to give you that. Hmm.

1:41:58Oh, it's appending on a silver chain. Oh, wow. She didn't know if you were a jewelry or not, but I said I'll give it to him. I wear that. How old is that? It's old old. So I can go around this fat head.

1:42:17And she also said, you know, Joe gets all this stuff. I want to give something to his wife. So this is for your wife. Oh, yeah. You'll or made that too. Oh, cool. Another one. Wow. Little gold. There's a little tiny gold in the top. That whole do you think this is 30, 40 ,000 years?

1:42:46So imagine she could be tall all the timeline of the animal roaming around. Yeah. No, she's to being converted into jewelry. Like I said, last time she was sex fifth avenue, but she's putting those guys to shame with this stuff. She finds the ivory. She finds the gold. She makes this stuff. She gave us from last time here. Oh, that's a nice one. Yeah. No one's gotten high off this yet. No, I bet that other one I said it. And they were seeing the. I don't I wouldn't do that to it, but I'm sure you guys do sell them. I'm sure there's people out there actually in the space smoking weed off of a mammoth bone.

1:43:27If I was an astronaut, I wouldn't even if I didn't go into space, I'd do it. Now the other thing is I had a guy call me and goes, I love that Joe Rogan podcast. I want to make him some pistol grips for a 1911. I said, I don't know if he's got a 1911. He says, well, give me his address and I'll mail it to him. I said, I ain't going to do that. I'm going to see him if you want me to give him to him, I'll give him to him, but I'm not giving out his address. He says, okay, so he sent me the Berkett customs is the name of his operation. Check that out. Yeah, check him out. Oh, wow, look at that. Only mammoth.

1:44:25There's a little wrench in there for you to attach it to your... I see. That's pretty bad ass. It is bad ass. Look at that. Oh, wow. So he sells them. Mammoth Ivory full size 1911 grips. Wow. That's beautiful. It's just crazy that there's so much of this stuff that you can make stuff off of it. It all starts with a broken... for us a broken tooth or broken piece of ivory. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And they're very functional. Yeah. No, I'd imagine. And beautiful. Now, this is for you. Yeah, more stuff. Jesus Christ too. This is for your kids. Okay. Just add sandpaper. Just add sandpaper. Yeah. They're little ivory shards.

1:45:17You give them a piece of sandpaper and he sand it to a mirror finish. That's what you make stuff like what we make out of. That's a raw... those are raw shards. Okay. And... I'll give it to him. Yeah. And last but not least for you and Jamie. Another one? You used to get one of these little packets. Okay. Now, I know that he plays golf. Uh -huh. I don't know if you played golf. No, I don't. I'm scared to golf. Well, you don't have to steal the ball marker from you. But I made you a ball marker. Awesome. Thank you. You're welcome. And Joe too. And there's a guitar pick in each one of those two.

1:45:52Oh, wow. Yeah, I've got the guitar picks for Gary Clark Jr. Oh, nice. Ball marker and guitar pick. All right, Jamie. Got to play golf. No. You to mark your ball? I don't have the time. No, we could try. I'm scared of the golf. I've never played a game of golf. Golf absorbs your time. It's scary. It's just playing nine holes. Yeah. The nine holes leads to me being a fucking golf junkie. I almost have time. Tony Hinchcliffe and you and Ron White out there playing everything. Imagine the four of them. That would be great time. It would be good time. I said I'll go with you guys and get it. It's all just get drunk.

1:46:24Have a great time. That's a lorissa. I'll do that. All right. Stuff. Nice. Wow. Beautiful. Incredible. It is amazing that you could. There's so much stuff that you could make things. Make jewelry and make pistol grips. Like I told you, Drew and I are. We were the dollar general. I told you that last year. But I think we got a meeting with family dollar coming up next week. Yeah. No, I'm just bullshit. Yeah. We just enjoy working with it. It's a really cool material to work with. Because you take a piece, Joe, and you look at it and go, what can I make out of that? It might take a week or two to figure it out.

1:47:09I have a pool queue that has a mammoth ivory joint and a mammoth ivory butt cap that my friend Eric Crisp of sugar tree cues makes. Oh, cool. Yeah. He's from Alaska. And he has a mammoth ivory that he puts inside pool cues. It's beautiful. It's got like a very. See if you could Google sugar tree cue with mammoth ivory joint. Because I know he's made a few of these. You know, he doesn't have a lot of the material, but he's made a few and absolutely beautiful. We, uh, we've had people contact us about that. I'm going, hey, man, I don't know how to do it. You know, I can't make pool cues stuff. But I have the raw ivory if you need a little bit to work, do it.

1:47:55Yeah. You can do it. Well, I'll connect you with him. All right. Yeah. He's the man. He makes some of the most beautiful pool cues in the world. And he's an interesting guy kind of like yourself. He doesn't give a fuck. He makes him what he wants to. Yeah. Sell them if he wants to. Yeah. I can't give him money. He just keeps giving me cues. And I've never been able to give him money for him. I'm like, you got to, you got to take some money. Yeah. You don't take any money. No, I don't. He'll sell them to other people. Yeah. But have you found one that has a mammoth ivory? People talking about it.

1:48:29There's no images. I don't think I don't know if this is actually his or his. Yeah, that's his. That's 100 % his. I can tell by the ring work. So that's some mammoth ivory joint. That might actually be my cue. Because it looks real similar. So he puts that mammoth ivory scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Scroll down that one right there in the middle. Right. Yeah. Click on that. Yeah. That's exactly what it looks like. Yeah. It's not clear on the white side. It's not clear. Ah, it's probably some of the fucking Android phone or some shit from the early 2000s. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's beautiful.

1:49:03Yeah, that's what you start with those little shards. That's just, it's just so crazy that there's so much of that stuff that you could actually make things out of it. Yeah. No, it's. Something happened. Something big time. Something big time happened. Yeah. Nobody knows. But it's crazy that this particular subject of the mass extinction event, which is related to Atlantis, which is related to the melting of the polar ice caps that led to some sort of a mass extinction event in North America that all this stuff is connected. And one of the big pieces of the puzzle is your property. Yeah. And maybe one of the biggest pieces that's ever been discovered.

1:49:48I think so. And if I can get the other stuff back, well, you saw the video, all that stuff probably got dumped in East River. You know, they, yeah, it's a mammoth leg bone, but it's broken at the end. And we don't want it. It's not museum quality. Throw it away. Right. And so a lot of that stake, they say in a report, mistakes made in the field. Well, those are your people. Those are your employees that made those mistakes. Don't blame it on my company, guys. Is it mistakes made in the field? Meaning that the bones got damaged? Means they didn't document where they came from. Oh, I see. And the paleontologists, if they don't know exactly what level of soil where it came from, they want all that stuff.

1:50:28And if they don't know that stuff, it's got no scientific value, none. And so the stuff they sent back, none of it, maybe a couple pieces have scientific value. They weren't supposed to take that. And they know it. And that's why they don't want to return it, because it's quite valuable. It's just so crazy. Well, you saw that film, 12 tons in one year. Yeah. They did it for 1928 to 1958. That's nuts. That's a lot of tasks. They talk about hundreds and hundreds of them shipped there. I've seen them. I mean, I saw them. And when I met with the head guy, I said, I want them all back. I want all the bones back.

1:51:08And he said to himself, who is this fucking guy? Get him out of my office. Next time he shows up, make him stand in the rain. Which we did. It's not like I'm afraid of getting wet or dirty. Jamie, see if you could find the photo from the Boneyard Instagram page that shows that carbon layer. I'm looking for it the whole time. I don't know why I can't find it. I kind of know what it looks like. Do you know how far back it is? I find it real quick. Do you know, is it an old, like how, when did you post it? It's been a few years. Okay. So it's probably, you post quite a bit. So it's probably pretty far back in there.

1:51:49I've reposited a few times. That's the big piece. What's up? I found a few that looked like it. I just couldn't tell what the description wasn't saying. Like this is the carbon layer or anything. How far back was the ones that you found? I'm back to right when he was on the far first time. So I'm back in the bone rush. How thick is that carbon layer? You know, the picture you pulled up with the guy riding the mammoth. There's a picture right next to it. Show on it. Oh, okay. You'll find that. Oh, there it is. Okay. And there's the picture of the guy. Right. So it's right next to it. Not that. Look right above.

1:52:31Right there. Right here. No. Right there. That. That's the carbon layer. So here it is. It says something came in hot. There's burnt gravel laying on top of a burnt bedrock. 80 feet below the surface. Topography at the bone yard. Tell me it's not natural. It's the most natural thing in the solar system. Of course, it's natural, right? That's something came in. Boom. I'm burned everything. And it's 80 feet down in the permafrost. I wonder if they did a core sample. What they would find. Imagine if they did that and they said 11 ,800 years. I bet. I'd be willing to bet. Bet that's it. It totally makes sense.

1:53:20The short face bear that a job only just saw. No, those were bad ass. They're extinct. Oh yeah. I mean, that animal was. They think that might have been one of the animals that kept people from crossing that bearing land bridge. That it was just such a fucking monstrous predator. Far bigger than a polar bear. An immense predator, like the biggest bear ever, that existed. And when extinct, along with all the other megafauna, 65 % of the North American megafauna, instantaneously existed. That's one of the reasons why we have weird stuff here. Like the pronghorn antelope. Like why are they so fast?

1:54:02Well, they were so fast because there was an North American cheetah that lived here. Wow. It was faster. Yeah. So we had a North American lion that lived here back then that was bigger than the African lion. And we have those up North. We found one. Really? We found more than one. American lion. Really? Oh yeah. The skull that you see sticking out of the muck bench. That's what Dick Moll calls the American lion. Wow. And when we were going through just some bones I had on a palette and he goes, I do you know what that is? I said, no. I said, Lion scapula. I told him we got a bunch of those. Really?

1:54:38Yeah. We do it. We got a bunch of those. So was there supposed to be a North American lion as far as the... The skull I have, they say is the best one of the four that have been found. Wow. And some guy offered me 85 grand forward and I said, eh. There's a door. That's not enough, fella. And we don't sell this shit. Yeah. Also, like that's a historically important piece of bone. That's a very important piece. Yeah. And to think that again, you have just, that's a drop in the bucket. I shouldn't say a drop in the bucket. That's a drop in the fucking Olympic swimming pool that you have up there.

1:55:19Yeah. I mean, if someone made a full scale excavation, just really went all in to see what the fuck is going on up here. God, that would be amazing. The problem is it's the scarism. It's the scary sight. Because we're not talking about dirt and rocks. We're talking about melting ice. You get over next to that muck bench. You look up 60 feet and up there's trees and there's not boulders, but big chunks of ice. They can fall. And so we're real careful with what our guys don't go along. And we're going to go under there. Oh, if you had any kind of collapses before? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had a piece of ice.

1:56:07We knew it was going to collapse and we kept working on it to make it happen quicker by undercutting it with a giant. And it was... When you say the giant, you're talking about the water sprayer. Right. Yeah. It collapsed two days after we shut the pumps off. We knew it was going to go. We said, okay, stay out. That was five stories tall. The piece that broke off. Wow. It took us a whole summer to get rid of it with the giant. But within that thing was about half a dozen tusks. Wow. So we just sprayed it and sprayed it and come back and get a tusk. We restored the tusks. If they're not broken, we fix them.

1:56:43We got a bunch of them restored. A bunch. It's just so nuts that this is one area that has so much. Not five acres, either. 2 .1 Albert. I mean, 2 .1 is like a really big backyard for a nice suburban house. And I think I mentioned to you, it goes all the way... It goes downstream where there is a creek that's a mile long. And that creek is going to... If we ever get to it, someday somebody will get to it. Maybe Drew and Alora and my other kids might get to it. They're grandkids. So here's the area. And this is showing the giant in action. Because it's spraying. And so do you just spray for a specific amount of time and then just start looking at what's been uncovered or do you look at it while it's doing it?

1:57:37Sometimes we'll hang out if we see something coming up. We'll aim it. But a lot of times that one's an automatic giant. It'll sweep by itself. You turn the pumps on and it just goes back and forth. And then come back and just start looking around. Wow. It's like looking for Easter eggs. It seems to me insane that no one's contacted you that doesn't want to do some sort of collaboration with you and do some massively funded expedition. It's going to take a massive amount of money and I'm not opposed to having them do that. But generally speaking what I get is some guy goes, hey, I'd like a man like a puss.

1:58:16What's that, Jamie? It's ice, right? It's ice. Just like... It doesn't say what it is. This is a lot of ice age cool stuff emerged from the frozen block. We, because we don't know what that is. Or it's just shiny black, can't tell. Oh. Reflecting the sky. But the stuff, the little things on the side, the microbes, we've spent a lot of time looking for tips, spear tips. Have you found them? Yeah. Yeah. We find one mammoth hip bone with the spear tips still sticking in it. Really? And I've got that one posted, little video thing. Ooh, find that, Jamie. That's wild. Yeah, it is wild. Now, how old is that?

1:58:59Got to be tens of thousands. There's got to be some people in there. You might have like a full Denisovon in there. I found things that I thought... Oh, there's a tip.

1:59:20And hit a vital organ in a mammoth. But if you found one in a mammoth hip bone, it has to... We found a tip. We found a tip. In a mammoth hip bone. Yeah. But don't you think that they hunted those things? Especially if they're above them. Like if you were above them on a cliff or something like that, you sneak up and throw spears down. They could have. I don't know. And they did it with elephants. I know people hunt elephants with bone arrows. They... There's a video of people hunting them with traditional bows, like long bows. From like the 1900s, early 1900s. But remember, the step had no trees, no wood, saw grasslands.

2:00:05And so the browsers, you know, the woolly mammoth, the caribou, the stepbiscons, they had big grass. And the moose came in later, the browsers. And there was no wood to fashion a spear out of, really, to speak of. It was all grass. So I'm thinking they kind of might have moved through a little bit, got a little bit farther south. Maybe they went somewhere else that was on the limits that was emerging into uplands. So maybe some nomadic people traveled with spears they had gotten from somewhere else. And they made it to your place because that's where the mammoths were. The carnivores had a field day up there.

2:00:53Because it's where it faced bears, cave lions. They have all kinds of stuff to eat. Cave bears? Oh yeah. Yeah. They were there eating good. And that was for thousands of years they did that. They got along, you know, that balance is there. We have them right now with wolves. You have a year with a lot of wolves and then you have to, you know, they'll kill everything all the moose. And you'll have a few years with the wolves disappear because there's nothing to eat. And then the moose come back. And then the wolves come back. I mean, it's just, it's time. Constant cycle. Constant cycle. Yeah. I've got a creek now with two packs of wolves on it.

2:01:31Then when I invited you to go hunt them on. There won't be a moose left on that creek. I don't think this summer. Probably not. Oh, yeah. I'll put you on a different creek. They're a fascinating animal. They just, they just, we just showed yesterday the reintroduced them to Colorado recently. Good luck guys. I don't think the people in Colorado understand what just happened. No, no, they have no idea. They did fucking city dwellers. I think wolves are amazing. They're so beautiful. Why'd they go extinct? I had that video of a little young wolf that's right by our road. You know, we're driving down to look at a cut.

2:02:10And he's just sitting there looking at us like, hey, what's up? Then he's howling and you can hear another one in the background howling. They show up at the pony yard going. Tom D. All right. Oh, yeah, they smell that rotten flesh. I'm sure, right? Oh, that's a stench of that. You can't avoid it. How bad is it smell when you start excavating? It's the kind of stench that you'll never forget, but you'll never smell it anywhere else. So the invite is still open for you to come up there. I need to make it my way out there. If I do, I want to bring Randall. Do it. Yeah. But here's the other caveat to that.

2:02:48We build our new building. We put two 1885 Brunswick pool tables in there. Got them restored. I saw. And I told Drew, I said, you're welcome to play on it, but I ain't playing until Joe Rogan plays on it with me. And as soon as you cue it up and rack it, I'm going to run out the door and leave. Okay. I'm not a very good pool player. Well, that's why I'm scared of golf because I have a good pool player. I know you're good. I know you're a good pool player. But that's what it takes to play good pool. It's just massive amounts of time that I don't have. Yeah, that's practice. I already have one thing that sucks my time.

2:03:27And if I was living where you are, I probably, my time would be spent spraying, spraying water. We're trying to figure out a way to do it while we don't have to be there. You know, put the auto giant up there. Did you get a bunch of people that reach out to you after the podcast? Oh, I like the volunteer to help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can't do it. You know, only too many weirdos. Look, dude, you talking about you too? Yeah. It's me and Drew. Yeah. And when it's all hands on deck, it's happening like the day, then it's all hands on deck. That day we pulled out a whole wooly mammoth and a half.

2:04:06Wow. And one day. A whole wooly mammoth. And a half. And a half. And we got the other half the next day. Have you thought about putting that thing together? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we got it all. Like museum style. I don't want to. Peace in it together. We'll put it together and put it in our building. How do they do that? They use like metal to connect the bones and the ones the one the museum I saw in the Yukon, they use a metal frame and they attach it somehow to that. But I've seen them. I've seen these woolly mammoth replicas that they have with the skeletons and you see the tusk going out. And I'm looking.

2:04:44There's nothing supporting those tusk those are made out of foam. You can't hold a 250 pound tusk in a skull without it just breaking. You got to have something underneath it to support. Oh, so those are replicas? Oh, yeah. Most of them are just all foam. Well, that's the thing about the dinosaurs, right? They'll have some pieces and then the rest of it is just kind of bullshit. It's just what they know it looked like and the dimensions that it would be based on the shape of whatever bones they do have. Yeah. Yeah. And we have all the bones. We have whole herds of those things. Wow. And just a matter of that thing that we invented called time.

2:05:24Yeah. My time's better spent doing collecting it than it is trying to put it together. It's just amazing that there's this one spot in Alaska and it really makes you think how many spots are like that somewhere else that just have not been explored. Well, I told you last time that that guy Chuck says there's 10 ,000 of those dead animals on my property. Willie mammoth. 10 ,000. 10 ,000. That's the estimate. Yeah. He's the carver. And he's dealt more Willie mammoth bones and tusk than anybody. I know. Probably in the world. It just makes you really want to imagine what the scene was like when it all went down.

2:06:09What the scene was like. Boom. Boom. When they all just died all at once. Yeah. And all at once might have been 500 years. Right. Might have been 1 ,000 years. Right. But faster than they could, you know, adapt to it. Yeah. So. And you know, all the salt and all the shit that covers the ground there. That's left over from the melting glaciers. The glaciers melted and the wind came in and blew all that stuff. Posit itself on the gravels. And that's why in gold mining, you got to strip that shit off to get down to the gravel on the bedrock. You know, that's all covering it. Have you paid attention to any rental crossings work a little bit?

2:06:53He thinks it all happened very quickly. I think he's right. Yeah, I think he's right too. But I think there's another one in there. Earlier. Hmm. I bet. By about 20 ,000 years maybe. Completely makes sense. Yeah. I mean, if you go 20 ,000 years ago from us, I mean, look, we think. Talk about the pyramids and we think about Egypt and we really don't know when they made those. But Robert Schock, who's the guy who was a geologist from Boston University, who did the work on the sphinx and the temple, the sphinx and found water erosion that indicates thousands of years of rainfall after they carved that thing.

2:07:35After they carved that area out, he's like, this is thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like rainfall in the Nile Valley, it was more than 9 ,000 years ago. So you have 9 ,000 years ago and then you have thousands of years before that. So now you're in that area. Now you're in 12 ,000 years ago, 13, 14, who knows. There's also speculation as to when the sphinx, which used to have the head of a lion before they carved it and made it an Egyptian head. And they think that because the head of the sphinx is much smaller than the rest of the body, it also has much less erosion.

2:08:12And then they go back to, okay, at what point in time was this thing pointed towards the constellation Leo. Right. And now you're at 30 ,000 years ago. And they think that might have been when these people had made this thing. And I've heard you talk about the pyramids and the engineering that went into it. How did you move a block like that 500 miles? Yeah, insane. So, well, intricately, you can't put a razor blade between the fifths. Yeah. Amazing. You can't do that now. Well, 2 ,300 ,000 stones, the way between like two and 80 tons perfectly placed. To true North, South, East and West. The line with constellations, you have these shafts that align to certain star patterns.

2:08:55And it's like, whoo, what was going down in Egypt? I got a thinking Elon Musk has come back. He might have been there. Well, I bet there was millions of Elon Musk's back then. Who knows? I mean, I really firmly believe that we are sort of a reimagining of human civilization. And that human civilization, as it were when they did construct the pyramids, was probably more advanced than we are today in a different way. Yeah. And this is what Graham thinks is that Randall thinks a lot of these people think that whatever technology they had, whatever, you know, so far undiscovered technology, we don't really know how they carved that stuff.

2:09:42We don't know what methods they used, you know, because modern conventional thinking is that they only had copper. They didn't even have steel. So, how the fuck are they doing that? There's also these drill marks that these cores that have been cord out that seem to indicate diamond drills, diamond bit drills, moving an insane rate to speed that have cord out sections of stone. Like, who the fuck did that? Who, how, where, why, when, even if it really is 2 ,500 BC, what the fuck did you use? What did you use? How'd you do that? Yeah. It's probably not 2 ,500 years ago, because that's just based on organic matter.

2:10:23It's also based on they find like little pieces of organic matter that they can carbon date that there's no real proof that that wasn't done, that they didn't sort of like resurface things or refix things or try to update things. There's also the hieroglyphs, which is really fascinating, because the hieroglyphs, they accept the hieroglyphs up to a certain point. And then when the hieroglyphs go back and they indicate kings that existed 30 ,000, 40 ,000 years ago, they'll call that just myth. Like, says who? Says who? Says you, because you've written books on this and you've taught lectures and been, you know, you've based your life work on this timeline.

2:11:10Is that why you think that old stuff is myth? Because you don't think that news, you don't think Ramsey's this myth. You don't think that Tutankham and his myth, you don't think that all those other things are myth. Why do you think it's myth when it gets back 30, 40 ,000 years ago? I bet that's not myth. I bet whatever was going on back then, 30, 40 ,000 years ago. There was a deal. Those people were probably insanely advanced in a completely different direction than we have gone today. And I think that if you wiped us out and left a few nomadic tribes of people and they repopulated the earth over the next 20 ,000 years, we'll probably figure out some completely new direction of technology.

2:11:52You know, I think people get on a path, they innovate on that path and then everybody sort of chips in on all the different inventions that have previously established and they make them better and they refine them and make new versions of them and make better stuff. And then it keeps going and going and going in whatever direction, some of our genius heads in. And there's probably some fucking insane geniuses 30, 40 ,000 years ago that figured out some stuff that we haven't figured out yet and they probably were more advanced in that direction that we are today. We can't even tell what happened in the case of that spits are there.

2:12:30What happened 200 years ago? Right. Who are those folks? Who the fuck did that? Right. And why? Do they think people were living there 200 years ago? Nobody thinks nothing about nothing because Fairbanks wasn't there. Fairbanks wasn't discovered till 1902.

2:12:50So they have no idea. Eight or 12 % of the carbon dating, they say that they spread out a lot of timeline. 12 % I think came in around 1600, late at 1600s for that. Then the 1700s are more than the early 1800s and then pretty soon they have a 95 % certainty that's 190 years old or something like that. But we can't even tell why, who, what, where, when? Right. 200 years ago. Yeah. Give me 2000. Well, we had Jesus over there with the crowd. Right. Hmm. Some maybe 500 years ago said, I'm going to make some money on this. Right. I'm going to get me some tourism business. Now go 2000 years before that and then 2000 years before that.

2:13:45Like we have no evidence. Yeah, the burning of the Library of Alexandria, all the records are destroyed. Then go 20 ,000 years before that. And that's what really get going here. Well, that's it's really crazy is that they find older stuff in Egypt that's buried under newer construction. So they build temples on top of older temples. And then as they excavate the sand, they find different construction methods that seem to indicate different ages. They do things differently back then. And as they get deeper, the things seem to be more sophisticated, more difficult to make. Yeah. Look at Austin.

2:14:21Tell me that's not going to happen here in 1500 years. Right. Or any city in the country. Yeah. You know, it's, but we're only here for like, yeah, maybe a hundred if we're lucky. If we're lucky. I'm thinking a hundred and maybe not be that lucky. Maybe 80's better. It depends. With modern science, I mean, they think that we're going to be able to live to be 150 and thrive. I'm going to get me a clone going. Yeah. Just download your brain into the clone. Imagine a 20 year old John with the brain of you now. All spry and young. You know, if I could tell, Drew, I'm going to run it over the 966. I'm going to scan, run up the ladder and then I'm running that some bitch.

2:15:10But we translate it into that. Drew, I'm going to shuffle over to that machine over there. Can you lift me up with the loader to get inside it? Right. You know, it's just, I had one shoulder out last year. I couldn't pull myself up a ladder. And I got a rotator cuff gone. Got to get you some stem cells. And just need a new me. Well, we just need, we also need to take care of the me that you got right now. Yeah. I'm going to be around a while. How long are you planning? Another 15, 20 years. That's it. Yeah. If you do, if you wanted to plan your life out, what would you want to happen with the bone yard over the next 15 to 20 years?

2:15:55What's ideal for you? Best case scenario. To get the bones, all the bones back. First of all, why are you so concerned with those bones when you have so many? Because they have so many more. So many more. So they have more there than you have or you are. They took, you got to remember, there's 200 nozzles running. They took them all. They took hundreds and hundreds of thousands of bones to New York City. Hundreds of thousands. I only got a couple hundred thousand. They took millions. And they've got them all. They got them every one of them. And the guy that was their collector, excuse me, he was just a field hand on the Alaska railroad.

2:16:50And they said, hey, you want to collect bones for us? They're sure? So he ended up, when it was all said and done, with an honorary doctorate from the University of Alaska, who was in on it, by the way, on this tri -partite agreement, and probably influenced by Charles Frick, son of the industrialist, that used to shoot his laborers because they wanted more money in the steel industry. Henry Frick was a prick. Where was this? In America. Look up Henry Frick. He used to shoot his workers if they wanted money. He had a gang of gunmen come in when they were striking to make better wages. And he was killing them.

2:17:34This is in our steel industry. What year was this? It was on the men who built America. It was on that show.

2:17:43He was the old man. So it was back when the steel industry was just getting going with Carnegie and those guys. Charles was his kid. So here it is. The lifelong opponent of organized labor and his refusal to allow union workers at his minds led to the infamous homestead strike of July in 1892, in which 10 men were killed in 60 wounded. The same month Frick himself was attacked in a failed assassination attempt by a 25 -year -old Russian anarchist. Wow. What did Frick do to his workers? In June of 1892, he slashed wages, evicted workers from their company houses, stopped negotiating with union leaders and threatened to bring the Pinkerton's, a detective agency for higher than amounted to a private army of thugs.

2:18:29Wow. That's what he did too. Wow. Man. And the guy, so the guy that his kid, childs, is the one that was head of AM &H. And he hired this guy, Geist, to go out and collect fossils in Alaska. And he just didn't limit himself to here. He went out to the West Coast. It says Frick fired 2 ,500 of his workers and cut their pay in half of those who remained. At one point, he was named the most hated man in America. Wow. Fucking greed. I'm fucking, boy. Fucking greed. It's always been the fucking, the bane of mankind. Oh, the guy went out to a gnome in St. Lawrence Island and dig up babies out of the permafrost because they wouldn't decompose and put them in pickle jars.

2:19:22Send them back to Henry or child's Frick and AM &H. I've seen these jars of pickled babies. And now they're being repatriated. And 60 Ministers had a big thing on Cambodia and all the things they stole out of there. AM &H and Smithsonian and all those guys are in on it. They just don't want to return them. And they justify this based on the idea that they're the keepers of this historical record. Yeah. Natural history. That was a good segment on 60 Minutes. I quit kind of watching them a long time ago. But this kind of peaked my interest because it's all about what they're doing. They're doing it right now.

2:20:02It's not like this has just happened in the past. These guys are like real life Indiana Jones. Let's go out and plunder and bring it back home. Some of it gets to the museum. Some of it gets, goes home. I've heard people that say they've been in an auto guy's house in Europe. He's got all kinds of stuff in his house that came out of our bone yard area. Really? Out of Fairbanks. Yeah, skulls, short face bears, saber tooth. Anyways, he ended up with a doctorate and a street's named after him up in Fairbanks. You find a guy who's willing to do anything for anything. That's what they found. They found him.

2:20:44And Charles Frick had no problem. Look at his dad was a prick. That's dead. Yeah. And you know what they say about. Yeah. Apple in the tree. Yeah. Yeah. So, so you ask what I want to do. I want to make things right. At least on the bones that came out of Fairbanks. I want the proof that men and animals live together. It's there. But when they haven't studied those bones in a hundred years, I don't know. Do they have human bones? The M and H? Do they don't talk about it? Well, of course, they're not talking to me. Right. They might talk to our legislature though. Boy, if they found out they've been holding on to human bones all this time too.

2:21:36Yeah. They probably, the people that are there right now probably don't even go into those boxes. Mm -hmm. So if you're dealing with stuff from more than 80 years ago, well, who the fuck knows what's in there? It's all just stored, huh? Well, there's a whole bunch of spare points they found out in Esther, which is one of my areas. That just disappeared between Esther, Alaska, and New York City. Just disappeared for 15 fucking years. They found them in North Dakota, because some guy was trying to track them down. They got some of them back. But I've asked for reports on those. They haven't done any.

2:22:16Wait a minute. You guys were supposed to report on everything you took. You haven't done any of it. That's my leg that I'm standing on. I could litigate this if I want to. I'm not afraid of that. But I want it this to be a good story when I start off. We're bringing the bones back. We're going to make things right. We're going to study it. We're going to solve some issues. We're going to solve some historical questions. Let's all get together and do it the right way. Let's do the right thing for once. Yeah. No, do you have the signed contract? No, there are copies from 1928. Well, that's not how business worked back then.

2:22:56You had the Boston men who financed it through the United States smelting and refining mining company went to M &H. M &H? Yeah. Yeah, we'd love to get those bones. We'll go get them. But here's what you got to do. They didn't do it. So I'm saying give them back. That's why the University of Alaska went with me to New York City. And said, we want them back. But they know they're in the business of fucking longevity. Jew, they know how long people live just outlasts some bitch. We're an institution. We don't ever die. People come in, they raise hell, then they go away. Well, that's probably true in my case, but drew out there.

2:23:43Go ahead and deal with him. He plays hard balls.

2:23:49So your best case scenario is all this gets handled politically. You recover the bones and then we start putting the bigger pieces of the puzzle together. Exactly. People want, oh, send me these bones so I can carbon date them for you. Carbon date them up here. Get your ass in Alaska and set up a research. I already built it for you for Christ's sake. I spent a million dollars doing it. It's done. I built it last year. Anticipating, they're all coming back. I might not know how it's going to go, but I know how this is going to end. We're going to get the bones back in Alaska. So just stop doing this bullshit.

2:24:32Let's get it. Let's just do the right thing here, boys. Is the hope maybe some of the younger scientists that are listening to this? Realize the potential of these discoveries and start working with you? The problem is in organizations like that, the younger scientists don't want to ruffle feathers because that's a career ender for those guys. Oh, he raised hell with the uppity ups and Smithsonian or whatever museum. Stay away from this guy. And they all want to be successful in their careers and I get it. Right. But maybe somebody out there goes, you know what? There's a few of them out there.

2:25:09I've talked to a few of them. They're just, they can't go public. Right. And I don't blame them. They got to put beans on the table too. Right. But some of the plunders, plundering's have gone on Mongolia, that area. That's been plundered for their cultural artifacts. And the people that know about it are at the museum in natural history. And they can't say anything about it because they don't want to lose their job. So these artifacts, do you think that there's just like these wealthy people that keep them in their homes? And then just don't tell anybody, but because that was always the case with Egyptian relics.

2:25:54Right. That because we don't even know how many tombs were rated over the, you know, several thousand years and where all those artifacts went and what happened. I mean, because we know that like when they found King Tutts, when they found his, all of his remains in the sarcophagus and all the gold line, this and gold line, that imagine people found that 500, 600 years ago, a thousand years ago, where did all that stuff go? Like did they melt it down? Was it more valuable as gold for them? What's the, what's the coin of the realm? It's gold, right? Yeah. It's been the coin of the realm since beginning of time.

2:26:34What's the oldest profession? Prostitution. That's right. You got, you got the prostitution, you got the gold and you got people who are willing to die for, you know, one or both of those things. And so it's been the basis of conflict forever. You can melt all the gold down. It's ever been mined on the planet. It's still here. It hadn't gone anywhere. You can't get rid of gold. You can't, you can't vaporize it. You can melt it, but it would fit in an Olympic sized pool. That'd be all of it. It's ever been mined. Right. The whole world's, yeah. And if you've been watching the price of gold in the last year, it's up 12 % since you and I met last time.

2:27:20And it'll probably keep going because people are, they buy it to hedge against inflation. You know, Costco started selling gold bars. Really? Costco. You can buy gold bars from Costco. Gold bars from Costco. And they sell out as soon as they put them up for sale. They sold $100 million worth of them in the first quarter. What? One gold bar, sweet lady for tuna, Versa can. Members only item 24 karat gold. Item is not refundable limit to per membership. Costco gold bars at Costco .com. What the fuck? Jamie, would you know what that's about? No, but do you remember the story from where am I at here?

2:28:13This guy had a private collection in Indiana is 91 years old. Says it was unlike anything we'd ever seen collection of stolen artifacts to be returned. It's somewhere in the range of 5 ,000 different things, just in his house in a small town in Indiana. A delegation from China went to Indiana on Thursday to claim hundreds of artifacts that were seized from one man's private museum. He had items from all over the world, everything from ancient jewelry to human bones. Those Chinese artifacts are part of the 5 ,000 seized from a home in from 90 year old Don Miller, a man well known locally for his passion for collecting and global travels.

2:28:49He died in 2015. I remember seeing that story. Super old Chinese. Look at that. Look at that. Acts. Why do I know more info on exact things that they pulled out of there? But I didn't find anything really great. So there's probably dudes like this in Europe. It's probably dudes like this in Russia. Dudes like this in China. Just like this in the USA, man. You think so? Oh, this guy. Yeah, this guy at least one. Yeah, look at that. A hammer. Hammer and the ax. That's incredible. That hammer is for splitting the skull open. I'm sure it's not from making a house 2000 human bones. One dude. Yeah, he's not he's not the only one.

2:29:37Yeah, how many of those dudes are connected somehow to the AM and H? Well, there's just a story out recently where they have like 12 ,000 human bones. They got a return to someplace. On this letter that they wrote, this is a letter from this year in October. We're going to talk about what they're going to do with their human remains in storage. They have a lot, but wow, where it came from, how they got it, this is a long letter. Super worth reading, but it does say that they have them. They hold them out of exhibits. Some of them were given to them through like science. What's this? Is this serious?

2:30:17These remains were removed from a burial ground in the inward neighborhood of Manhattan during a city road construction project in 1903 to 1904 and accepted into the collection. In Slavement was a violent dehumanizing act removing these remains from the rightful burial place and sure the denial of basic human dignity would continue even in death, identifying a restorative, respectful action and consultation with local communities must be a part of our commitment. Wow. So for sure they've got some fucking human bones. I just want to know if they have some human bones that they got from your spot.

2:30:55Because if they did, I just think there's got to be some in there. If you've got spear points and you've got arrowheads, God damn it, you got to have some fucking humans in there. I also when looking up the American lion, I found in the Wikipedia, it says that the MNH got something from Alaska in the early 1900s. Few additional discoveries came until 1907 the American Museum of National History and college Alaska collected several panthera atrocks skulls in a local locality originally found in 1803 gold miners. How do you say that word? Cots of B. Cots of Cots of Cots of view. Alaska. The skulls were referred to a new subspecies of Phelous panthera atrocks in 1930.

2:31:48Phelous atrocks Alaskanesis Alaskanesis. Despite this, the species didn't get a proper description and is now seen as a Nomen Nudum synonymous with panthera atrocks. Further south in Rancho Lebraya, California is a large field skull. Is that no, no, fallet, feel it, feel a feline, I guess. Phelous skull was excavated and later described in 1909 by John C. Mariam, Mariam, who referred it to a new subspecies of Phelous atrocks, Phelous atrocks, bebe. The subspecies is synonymous with panthera atrocks. Wow.

2:32:35Amazing. Look at that thing. Holy shit. Look at that thing. So that's the North American line. Wow. And bigger than the African line, which is wild. We got a skull of that. Nice. I bet you got a lot more of them on that ground too. We might have stuff we don't always post. I bet you do. Hypothetically speaking. Hypothetically. I bet you do. You have to be a good bet. You're allowed to. It seems like they should play ball. They should. I mean, it just seems like if you guys want to know some stuff, how about there's this one extraordinary area in Alaska that's produced an insane amount of artifacts.

2:33:22Well, the bone rush you started. You started it. No, you started it. I couldn't do it without you. Hey, you know what? We're tied inextricably at the hip. About this. I've had ample opportunity to be interviewed. I don't do it. I'm here with the greatest communicator on the face of the planet. And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I got an MSNBS. So you put me in here with you. If I don't know it, I'll make some shit up. But for the most part, I'm not kidding. Your ability to communicate is letting people throughout your listening world. And there's something wrong here. And these people need to step up after our broadcast, after our podcast last time, within two days, Amin H.

2:34:11Put out a press release, denying this ever happened. Well, that seems silly. If you've actually visited the bones themselves. Yeah, they denied the existence of that report that I read from. So I posted that cover today in case Jamie wanted to look at it. That report was written, co -written by one of their own employees at Amin H. Now come on, boys. You can bullshit everybody. You can't bullshit everybody. This is a problem with archaeologists. This is a problem that they've found with trying to establish an earlier date for some of these Egyptian artifacts in the temple of the Sphinx and some of these other things.

2:34:52The people do not want to give up any of the power they have in controlling narrative. Early man in eastern Berringia. Berringia. Berringia. Yeah. Late Pleistocene and early Holocene artifacts and associated fauna recovered from the Fairbanks mining district in Alaska. Wow. Yeah, look at that. That says early man. Robert L. Evander. So let's read. Yeah. The report I read. And what you said here is on your thing. It says this is the document. AMNH said they have no record of. I read it on Joe Rogan podcast a year ago and identified the spot in the East River where the AMNH dumped approximately 50 tons of my company fossils back in 1949.

2:35:45It started a bone rush though it only took two days for AMNH to issue a press release denying existed. Note that one of the authors an employee of AMNH co -wrote it. My goals get the remainder of the collection still stored in their basement sent back to Alaska so the scientific research can be conducted on them. I'd like to see these Alita snobs hauled in front of Congress and testify under oath about their misdeeds. That process is underway Alaska is not the only state nation the AMNH plundered archaeological paleontological anthropological and cultural resources and artifacts from. They're doing a disservice for the people that want to understand things.

2:36:27I mean they are a blockade to understanding how there is this area that you own that has this insane amount of bones. It's insane and it's a massive mystery and it's one thing that is so compelling to human beings that want to know like what is going on with the history of animals and the human race and also with this theory, this young grader's impact theory. If they can just do a core sample on that area that you have uncovered that's 80 feet down that shows all this carbon that seems to indicate massive amounts of fire and something big. As you said something that came in hot and that there's evidence of this all over the world now because of the research that's been done on this young grader's impact theory, they know that there's a layer of heredium that exists that indicates that something from space.

2:37:29Iridium which is very common in space and very rare on earth. There's a layer of this shit that indicates we got hit. And if you add that to what you have this layer that shows some fucking insane event took place in your area that led to all that burning and all these fucking bones man. How is this not something that they are actively collaborating with you and working together with the scientific community to get an understanding of how this took place? Because I think it gets back to the whack -a -mole game. You know some guy steps up and goes, I'll do it. And they go, well you're not going to have work in the industry anymore.

2:38:19Right. Yeah, we're going to black boy. They're afraid too. It goes against the grain. They don't want to stick up for some dirt tramp in Alaska who's saying, come on, let's study this stuff. I already built the building for you. I did it already. That is what's really crazy. You really did spend over a million dollars to build a scientific history. Pictures of it. I got all the receipts in there. I mean I got everything they need just bring the bones back and I'll build another building just like it. What do you want me to do? People go, well have you carbon dated all your, no, it's not my job.

2:38:59Well have you done this and have you done it? What are you asking me for? Why don't you call M &H and ask them? They're the ones that are supposed to do this shit, not me. I don't have the skill set. I'm not a paleontologist. I'm just a simple fucking boner making my way through life. Well super boner actually.

2:39:21Yeah. All you have to do is get one piece out and you're a boner. Yeah, I like to be a boner. You're going to be a boner. I need to be. You need to come up, bring your friends with you. Yeah. We'll go out there and have a boner party. We need to make a YouTube video. Oh yeah, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, put you on the manual giant. It doesn't work out there. Is it hard to hold on to? Not really. No. You can make it look like it is. And it's really easy. You know, just move it around a little bit. My kids do it. I mean my kids are the great support. My wife. We're all in on this. It's just to me, it's so strange that they continue to resist what it seems to be inevitable.

2:40:02And the more we talk about it, the more millions of people hear about this, the more it will become inevitable. Exactly. This is a massive mystery. And it's not like a little bit of evidence. You have the most insane amount of evidence I think I've ever come across. And the fact that we're all finding out about this because of social media. What a weird time to be alive. Not just social media. The Joe Rogan experience. Yeah, but I found out about it through Instagram. I don't even remember how I found your page. Well, I'm glad you did. And I told you last time it took me three years of saying I only talked to Joe Rogan about it.

2:40:40Having knowing that's not ever going to happen because I didn't want to talk to nobody about it. But when we talked about it, I got to tell you that my Instagram blew up. And it went from like 40 something thousand people following my page. I think that it's at 370 ,000 now. Let's see what happens by this time next year when you come back again. Sweet Jesus, I might build a political base. I might have enough people that can contact their legislators. Well, that's the hope. The hope is that if we can continue to highlight this and can just continue to show people, this is really important stuff.

2:41:21And there's a reason why people are so fascinated by it. We have all been fascinated by the history of the human race and the history of animals and the history of whatever caused these extinction events. We're all fascinated by this. And they're doing a disservice to humanity by not exploring this further. And by not playing ball. They should play ball. They should get involved in this. And they should do so in an honorable way where you don't have to bring in politicians. This should be something that as educators and as the... These are the curators of this information. These are the people we turn to.

2:42:01This is one of the most prestigious institutions in the world when it comes to natural history. It's supposed to be. Yeah. And they're not doing themselves a service doing this. There's a big disservice. And did you just invite me back for this year? Let's do it again. I gladly accept. Let's have this an annual thing to see how much progress we make. As long as I'm the last podcast of the year. Yes. That's our tradition. You are the last podcast of 2023. You'll be the last podcast of 2024. Thank you, sir. We're going to... And my sincere hope is that they come to their senses and they do this in an amicable way where everybody realizes like this is important.

2:42:40It's bigger than everybody. This is good for the AM and the H. This is good for the scientific community. It's good for the curious people like myself. It's good for the world. It's good. We really should find out what the fuck is going on and what happened. And I think you have a massive piece of the puzzle, sir. And it's extraordinary. And I just... I'm very happy that you're the guy. You got some hard -nosed motherfucker who doesn't give a shit. Who is willing to stick his neck out and tell the truth. And also to show the world. Just the evidence that you have on your page. Just that bone with the human face carved in.

2:43:18Shut the fuck up. You know so many carved that. Stop playing games. What is it? Just the fact that you've got saw bones, sawd bones. Who did that? Just the fact that you've got an insane amount of willy -man with tusks and bones. And all these animals that they said aren't even supposed to have been in Alaska. And they clearly were. Like, there's a mystery there, folks. There's a mystery. And it's being played out. Not only on my Instagram page, where it's the only place. But with you. If you want to know about it, you got to come here. You got to listen to the Joe Rogan experience. Because I ain't talking to the so -called mainstream media.

2:43:56I'm not interested in being a story one night. For, by some guy sitting in a studio that's never even gotten dirt under his fingernails. You come out here and you walk around in this shit motherfucker. And you listen to him. You smell what we're dealing with here. This is the Ice Age baby. We live in the Ice Age. People say, think outside the box. We live outside that some bitch. If you're in the Ice Age all day, it changes you. Maybe makes you fucking crazy. I don't know. But. I think you might have been a little crazy to start with. I think so. I think that's why the universe chose you to own that land.

2:44:35I really do. Either that of the universe says we need some prick out there. That's our guy. I think that makes sense. Because I think a lot of people just wouldn't have gone through the lengths that you've gone through. They wouldn't have been so stubborn and determined. And also, just the fact that a guy like you is exactly the type of person that you need to do all this work. It's got to be a guy like you. A regular person is not going to be so dedicated to this. You know, this is like I said, this is my cause. Last year I said, okay, everybody takes a BAML 21 seconds to take a leak. That was a great contribution to mankind's knowledge.

2:45:18Because I got a lot of people going, you're right. I tie myself to the day I piss for 35 seconds. And somebody else said, hey, I piss for 55 seconds. If I was a drink beer, I'd guarantee you they could make it. But see, I like to think that people can still think. Yeah. So I also like to think that there's a certain degree of what you do goes into the presentation of what you do. It's in the presentation. Can I give you an example? Sure. Three guys go fishing in Valdez. They leave Fairbanks. They try down the Valdez. They get in the late and they need a hotel room. So, the clerk says I only got one room left.

2:45:59It's kind of nasty. It's got two two pots and a couch. How much is it? 30 bucks. So each guy pulls out 10 bucks out of his wall. It gives it to him. He's in the key and they go to their room. The night clerk comes in a little bit later. The night manager. He says, hey boss, we rented that last room out. He says, all right. What did you get for it? He goes 30 bucks. He goes over charging by five bucks. He gave him five ones. He says, take it back to the room and give it to him. So he goes back to their room. Knocks on their door and he gives each guy a dollar. Okay. And he kept two bucks in this pocket.

2:46:40He said, fuck, they don't know they overpaid. So let's do the math on this one. What's H meant nine bucks now, right? Okay. What's three times nine? 27. Yeah. And he kept two bucks, right? Right. 27 plus two is 29. Where the fuck did that other dollar go? I don't know. Why are we wearing about a dollar? I'm not sure where you're going with this. It's a presentation. Where did it go? They paid 30. They got $1 back and back. That's the way you tell it. 29 bucks is not 30 bucks. They spent 30 when they walked in. Right. But where did that other $1 go? I don't give a fuck about that dollar. I don't know where you're going with this.

2:47:39Where I'm going with it is I'm making. I'm throwing this out there for the people that listen to this show going. And that don't make sense. Right. It doesn't make sense, Joe. There you go. What the fuck? Maybe you're thinking that right now. What the fuck? Where did that dollar go? I'm definitely not thinking that. I know you're not. I'm thinking where you going with this story. I'm talking about the presentation. I understand. You know, and sometimes things get lost to the presentation. Mm -hmm. You know, am and age can say, well, we did this. We did that. We did the other thing. There's no evidence of this letter.

2:48:19Yeah. Nothing happened. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where that other dollar went. Well, I think for the longest time, they have become a custom to being the ones where the gatekeepers of information. And when it comes to this kind of information, little press release here, a little statement here has been adequate. They've been able to cover their tracks. But in this age of information, that's not good enough anymore. No, it's not. And it's like I said, it's the way it's laid out. I'm playing it out as clearly as I can to these guys. You have the opportunity to do the right thing. And it's the right thing for all the curious human beings that deserve access to that information.

2:49:05Because it's a part of the human story. It's part of the story of the earth. It's part of the story of the animals. It's part of the story of your land. It's part of the story of probably the impact theory that wiped out massive amounts of animals and human beings. And I think you've got a piece of the puzzle. We have 20 pieces of the puzzle. And there's 1 ,000 pieces I want. I won't get them all, because I know a bunch of them were stolen. Well, let's hope that by this time next year, things have progressed. And when we talk about it in December of 2024, for the last podcast of 2024, I hope you've got some good news for people.

2:49:47Yeah, and when I got a hold of you and I said, I don't know if I have anything, you know, I was trying to give you an out, like, you know, just in case he's got nothing for me. I was trying to manage expectations is what I was trying to do. I just, a lot of people liked my podcast with you last time. They don't like this one, too. And I just don't want to disappoint you or disappoint the people that follow you or listen to these stories, because frankly, some of them might not be interested in it. A lot of them are. And I think a lot of now are invested in this. And specifically since the, when the bone rush yielded results, and now people know it's true.

2:50:28Yeah. Undeniably. Undeniably. Stepbison, jaw bones, don't, they're not supposed to be at the bottom of the East River exactly where you said to look for them. And what are the odds of that? And don't forget what I told you about. There's other people out in the river. Yeah. We're talking, if I have a guy come up and go, hey, I want to go prospect this creek. And I say, okay, go ahead and prospect it. And it comes in really hot as a good. But somebody else comes along. I'm not going to send them to that creek. The other guy's already there. So there are things happening in the East River that spread all over the place.

2:51:10This guy might find this. This guy might find that. These other guys might find that. I'm not going to tell any of them anything. You go about your business. I'm not going to, I'm not going to divulge any confidential information to anybody. Just keep looking. I don't envy him for it. We don't have to look. We go get coffee. We go drive out there. We pick up a touch. Coffee's still too hot to drink. These guys get to get on a boat. Go on the East F**k and River. Put on scuba gear. Go down there with zero visibility. That ain't easy. How did they find them? I don't know. My daughter out there, Lauren.

2:51:48She went on the boat with them, I think, last year. She was in New York and she went along for the ride. That ain't easy work. No. But I hope they find them. I hope they do too. I hope they hit the mother load. Me too. And I will tell you this. The mother load is still out there. I know that. We're going to piece it all together, my brother. We are. And we're going to talk about it next year. See any year. Yes, sir. You're the man. You're the man. You're the man. No, you're the man. You're the man. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you very much, my brother. All right. Bye, everybody.