#2083 - Taylor Sheridan

25:57It doesn't seem like that dramatic a change. Obviously there is internet, but you still had cars, you had phones, you couldn't take them with you, but you had them. But 1937? We haven't even we haven't even made penicillin yet. Right. That's just 40 years. Yeah, trench warfare. Yeah. Yeah. World War One. No, these these they came over here. They didn't speak the language. They knew nothing about the land, knew nothing about the water, had no, it did, by the way, you can be rest assured, it did not say in that advertisement in the Romanian times. There's other people who already live there who will kill you when you show up and they didn't mention any of that.

26:35They didn't hear about the Indians until they got to Galveston and they're buying their supplies and you need a gun. What do you need a gun? Well, the Indians, the who? What are you talking about? Who are Indians? Well, you're going to find out. Yeah, that was a part of Empire of the Summer Moon, you know, that these folks had just established these homesteads and had no idea. And the command she would show up and just slaughter them. They had no idea. They had no idea that there was even a concern and they had to figure it out along the way. Yeah. And you read it in that book, and from a military standpoint, it's such an impressive achievement that Nikona decided he was going to raid all the way to Galveston.

27:16And he marched through Burnd Austin, went all the way to Galveston. Everybody got on their boats, went out on their boats, and watched him burn Galveston. And then they went in and looted all the stores and found these parasols. You know, you could sit there and block the sun. And the committee thought that's the frickin' smartest thing. I wish we'd had Fabric to do that with. So all the braves took these parachutes. And when they rode off, there's thousands of Comanche warriors with parasols. All these different colors blocks getting the sun off the shoulders running away with umbrellas. Yeah That's insane, but what what a terrifying visual.

27:53Oh, yeah Well, I mean I had no idea Until I read Empire the Summer Moon and then the author come in. What is this thing again? S. G. Gwen S is that it? Great great fucking guy and he found out when he moved to Texas like he he moved here and then was researching Texas history S. Seguen. S. Seguen. And when he moved here and he was researching Texas, then he was like, oh my God, how do I not know about all this? How do I not know what this happened? How do I not know about the Texas Rangers and how they were established and why they needed them and what went down? Yeah, it was the Wild West. Yeah, well it's one of the reasons why Texas is such a crazy place.

28:36It's like this was kind of the last stand. Yeah. And Texas was its own nation for 14 years, 13 years. And it's still, that independence is still pretty embedded in it. Did they want to put it back on the ballot? Every year. This experiment hasn't worked. Yeah. Well, what's crazy is when you think about the United States only being established in 1776 and how recent that is in human history. But the idea of a new country being established today seems insane. like there's no one in possible. No, it's not gonna, you know, there's part of Oregon wants to secede and join Idaho. There's a section up there around Humboldt County and up in that area in California, they want the same thing.

29:22And it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the Eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture. Right, right, they're ranching or they're farming or they're doing something. Same with that part of Northern California, You're in timber, you're growing something, whether it's weed or whatever you're doing something agricultural. And then you come to these big urban centers and where people do not understand where their food comes from. I read an article, this is when I lived in LA as an actor, and there was some up war. Some cheerleader had gone hunting and killed a deer or something.

30:00And the picture made it in the paper or somehow made it somewhere. And there was this massive people went nuts. And I'm flipping through the paper, and I'm reading the letters to the editor. It's kind of bare in the front. And they were all about this girl. And there's a picture ever. And one of them said that all hunters should be killed. How dare they go out and kill that animal? Why can't they just go get their food at the grocery store where it's made. No, someone got mad enough to write that letter and wrote it and re -read it and sent it. And then it was printed not from a sense of irony from that paper I doubt.

30:46And I remember thinking, God, people don't even know where it comes from. They have no idea what it takes to put food on a table. Any kind of food? I don't care if you're vegan or not. It's all been given to you. And all you have to do is work and then spend your money. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've had conversations with people while they're eating meat. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers, it embodies the perfectly untamed spirit of independence.

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32:31I'm saying I can never hunt. Like I don't know how you do it. Like what are you talking about? You're eating meat. You just hired a supermarket hitman. Yeah. Like you just exported the execution. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, we're so detached. and that was why it was fascinating to watch this massive uptick during the pandemic where the food supply got cut off for a while and it was very weird and a lot of people got into hunting. A lot of people got interested in it and there was a big uptick. Or started to want to take some responsibility, some kind of control. Whether they get chickens in their backyard, whether they come to a ranch and there's plenty of places where you can buy it direct to consumer.

33:12You know when that hit me. Yeah, I've got three steers and two deer in the freezer, you know I've got 60 chickens. I've got a greenhouse. I didn't yeah, I didn't miss a bait Yeah, well, that's the way to live if you could yeah, most people are like well, I know how everybody can move that way right Figure out how you can you yeah, you can you can't I did it in LA did you for five years? I went everything I ate was wild caught or it was grown from I bought it from the farm if it was a vegetable or fruit and in in L .A. it really wasn't that hard to do. Farmers markets and stuff. Farmers markets for heck you could even get you know you could go get wild caught fish at the farmers market.

33:57Right. You could go get what farm grew this well there's your kale or whatever you want it's all right there. Like it's it was actually not that difficult and I'd come back to Texas and hunt for a weekend and that was by you know go shoot three deer and that's a year's worth of food right three animals for a year. Yeah yeah that's that's best case scenario if you can pull that off but most people are just so disconnected from it and so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything everything has to be brought in by trucks. I was reading this this story uh it's a it's a book called the dissolving illusions and it's all about the introduction of vaccines and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century.

34:39And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in in these urban cities before cars because there was no buses. So how are you getting food? How are you getting vegetables? How are you getting all these things into these cities? These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starving in death, living in places is where there's outhouses that were shared by thousands of people. Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings. They're all breathing congested air. Everyone's getting diseases. There's no drugs to treat them, no antibiotics to treat them, and everyone's fucked.

35:13Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, these, and it's been that way, by the way, for 1200 years, as soon as massive urban areas, you know, as soon as they sprouted up, I mean, look at the plague. Yeah. That's what that is. That's where it comes from. That's a flea -borne illness that you get because you're living in such close proximity to rats. Mm -hmm. Yeah. And why are there so many rats? Well, because there's that much vermin and filth and waste for them to feast on. Yeah. I mean, it's nature's way of balancing things out. Nature's like, well, this is a fucking problem. Whatever you guys are doing here is not the way to do it.

35:52So how fun with this. Yeah. Yeah. It's also with the Native Americans, you know, look at the Comanche, you look at any of them. It was the disease that, you know, when from the first pilgrims, all these things that the Europeans brought over. I mean, it just decimated, I think, cholera killed 60 % of the Comanche. Yeah, they said that 90 % of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases. 90 % of the Native Americans. Yeah. Yeah. And that story hasn't been told properly, you know, And that's what I really appreciated about 1883. It's like you talked about, I mean, this was like the end of the Native American Empire, essentially.

36:32This was when there were still a little bit of Buffalo left. There's still, you know, there are moving Indians to reservations than the Indians that were out. They were resisting it, you know, and it's just, and then these people were trying to make their way in this fucking wagon train across the kind of, what percentage of those people died that we're trying to do that. I mean, I don't know that there's any anywhere along the organ trail. You can drive along or, you know, there's markers just everywhere, everywhere. And especially the further up you get into Wyoming, and the further you start getting through like the land or cut off in South Pass, then they're just.

37:11And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker. Yeah. So it's, how do you know? Right. You know the handcart the Mormon church brought a lot of people out and they didn't have a lot of money enough money to give them Full wagons even though that's what they promised and so they made these handcartes that people would pull from Wherever they took off from somewhere in Ohio to try and get to Utah And so these people pulled them by hand They put their wife and their gear or their kids or whatever and then they'd pull them these two -wheeled carts like chariots without a horse and You know one winter they left too late and got caught in the winter and the whole trick was if you didn't make it to the certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th You were not gonna make it you were gonna get caught in the past and you're gonna die and something like 25 ,000 people died in one year

38:03Just my numbing statistics insane Yeah and saying and it's it's so interesting that the the early films on the West They never covered that. The early films in the West were like these really sort of shallow surface films that worked fun movies, you know, Cowboys vs Indians, the spaghetti westerns and that kind of stuff. But no one had any sort of real understanding of what actually went down. No, you didn't. The notion of getting free land that you could go farm with, by the way, nothing. You're going to go somewhere with nothing like there's those stores. You're going to have to make everything.

38:47You have to figure it all out on your own. Who would choose that? Not a successful blacksmith. Not somebody that's got a nice comfortable home in Maryland or wherever and why? Why? Why would you do that? You have to have no other option. Right. All the people that came over from from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure. Right. They came because they were fucking starving. My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine. They didn't want to. They had to. They were dying. So they had to come. So that's why everyone came. Desperation. Desperation is what settled the West.

39:24Fueled by a manifest destiny, which was a cruel, very cruel, you know, in city of Sidea that a bunch of politicians had that says, hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war. And we've been doing that and we've been getting the shithanded to us because the Lakota were until the repeating rifle came around the Lakota and the Comanche, the Arapoho, even the Sunmeen, we did not have their skill level on a horse. Their arrows were actually more effective than our single -shot muskets, like they were a superior army and stayed that way. It wasn't until we started sack and villages when the braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone, when that dirty shit started, then it started turning the tide, And then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it.

40:06Yeah, which is part of the wiping out of the buffalo. I mean, it was a commodity for sure, but it was also, it was a concerted effort to cut off their food source. It was, but it was also, you know, there was a demand. The buffalo tongue was the number one delicacy in New York City. Isn't that crazy? And the tongue. And the tongue. Which nobody wants anymore. I don't know. Oh. And then they sold all the buffalo skins to France. And they made giant massive silly ropes. Well, at one point in time, the richest man, one of the richest men in the world was, he dealt in beaver pelts. Yeah, I don't doubt it.

40:46There was fucking beaver everywhere. They wiped out most of the beaver in this country. Yeah, you know, but they've come back. Yeah, they've come back, but not nearly to where they were. No, but they've come back. It's pretty impressive. I mean, it's pretty impressive how much they've come back. And it's a pretty keystone species. So wherever they are, you know, they build enough dams and they create a pond, they create a wetland. Have you ever eaten beaver? No, it's good. That's what I hear. Steve Renelle was a delicacy. Yeah, the tale, the tale's disgusting. We ate the tale, it's just all fat.

41:16They just were starving and they needed fat. Maybe we didn't cook it right, but Renelle cooked it as best he could, but he made like a pot roast out of the beaver or hams. It was very good. It was like really good beef. It was delicious. It was surprisingly good. Like not like, oh, I could eat this, but like, I want more. It was fucking great. It was really good. Yeah. No, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate, and it wasn't, it was kind of a similar, I'm eating what they're serving situation on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas, and they, they, we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo. How was that?

41:51I was so frickin hungry. It seemed good to me. You know, this is well before I knew they had leprosy Checked everything I'm good. I'm 40 years in and I'm fine. Is your temperature you have to kill kill leprosy at we cook the food to like Trichonosis Well, look when you smoke though you smoke it for like 12 hours. So I think anything just kills everything What is this what is armadillo tastes like I kind of taste like pork really like hobilina then yeah? Yeah, which is taste a lot well. They even look like pork. Yeah, well they are pork. They're a peckery Yeah, yeah, cousin of pig. Yeah, some somewhere and they cross bread I think with the pharaoh hogs a bunch.

42:28Oh, how they really I think I shot one last year and it turned into chorizo Zadible. Yeah, it's not great. Yeah, but it's a pharaoh hog. I'm not you don't want to eat those I've eaten a lot of pharaoh hogs. Yeah, I shot one at a home turned into sausage. Yeah, it's good Yeah, those things were a problem. I mean they are real problem out here. Oh my gosh and the destruction that they that they reap on the on the ecosystem. I mean, that's the reason the Bob White quail population is just plummeted. Rattle snakes have stopped rattling. Because of the hogs? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, one of the first things that happened when I moved out here is Ted Nuget invited me to shoot hogs from a helicopter.

43:09I guess I'm in Texas. Welcome. Come shoot hogs out of a helicopter. It has gone in and down. Have you ever seen a pork ellipse now? No, but is that is that with the pork? No, no, a pork ellipse now is Ted Nugent and this guy that calls himself pigman who has a show on One of the sportsman's channel the outdoor channel. They shot like 250 plus pigs in an afternoon and they all did it out of helicopters And it's like like, it's fucking, it's insane. And you watch, you're like, how is this legal? Like, I guess it's legal, because you have to do it that way. They have so many pigs, like here it is.

43:57This is the pork looks now. It's all slow mows of head shots. That's pig, man. I don't wanna put a name on it. I'm having an album of time. I got guys scattered everywhere. All on dead digs, got them. Loan them in Ryder, taking them, feed them. A lot of people. That's the other thing, the hunters for the hungry. I mean, they're really good. It's an amazing program. Yeah, they shoot an incredible amount of these pigs and then feed them to people. And it is good, man. There's a guy out here named Jesse Griffiths, who owns a great restaurant called Diedue in Austin. And he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt.

44:38He teaches them, first how to shoot rifles, then how to hunt, then they hunt hogs, teaches them how to butcher them and cook them. And he's an amazing chef. And this guy, I mean, if you think that wild hogs tastes like shit, talk to this guy. And - Because he'll knock it out. Oh my God, oh my God. Some of the best meals I've ever eaten in my life. He cooked diver duck, whichever he says they're disgusting. I've only had it once. I've only had it once from him. Because they say that diver ducks eat all the shit that's at the bottom, all the muck that's at the bottom. And most people say they taste disgusting.

45:11He cooked it. It was one of the best foods I've ever eaten in my life. Really? Yeah. He just knows how to do it right. He's like, it's not that these things taste bad. It's as people don't have the knowledge of how to prepare them correctly. Well, if you think about it, you know, you can go to any gun store or pawn shop and buy a 30 -year -old Remington 700 with a scope on it for 400 bucks. Box of bolts is going to cost you $30. License is going to cost you $35. You can go shoot a hog, you can go shoot a deer, which someone's got to manage them, the ecosystem's demolished, so there's nothing else doing it, so they're just going to overpopulate in disease.

45:53And you can create a year's worth of meat for $600. Yeah, it's incredible. And then the next year you cut it down to $300. And then the next year you cut it down to $150. Yeah. And it's fun. Yeah, that's a fun thing to do. Yeah, and it's a very satisfying. You're taking responsibility for your own food. Yeah, and still there's people that think there's something wrong with that. But that's how disconnected societies are. Well, that's the look. I think one of the most absurd positions anyone can take is they're a vegan for an ethical reason. It's preposterous. You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process meat, you can't process proteins like that.

46:36But to do it from an ethical reasons absurd. And the reason I say that is, I have piled out of field. It is carnage. It is 12 feet of carnage. And every single plant that you eat is going to be tilled into the ground in some capacity. So you're going to kill everything. When you plant that field. Famous conversation thing Kevin Costner has. I wrote that's why I wrote it. People have to understand. You have to take ownership. That same thing, Ted Nugin has said this on this podcast. He said, if you want to kill the most things, become a vegan. Yeah, 100%. If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion.

47:21And that's a weird discussion. But if you think that all life is sacred, Well, what about the lives of the ground nesting birds, fawns? What about the lives of rodents, insects? All those things are getting demolished. The average organic avocado farm in Central California is going to kill on average around 19 ,000 ground squirrels a year. That's not counting the billions of bees because they're going to bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the trees and then they're gonna fucking die. They're not sending them back anywhere. They're not keeping them and they're going. They're gonna spray with some organic, which is probably just like compressed cayenne pepper.

48:03They're gonna spray the trees. They're gonna kill every bug, every plant, everything. You all you gotta do is drive I -5 through the San Joaquin Valley and you won't see, you'll see plenty of almonds, you'll see plenty of all these different groves. You won't see any birds. You won't see anything else. and take fucking kill them all. Yeah, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow that think they're doing something that's ethically correct. Well, if you look anywhere in the ecosystem, take man out of it. Virtually everything is living at the expense of another organism. To the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass that's coming to grass, the tree grows up, this little sapling grows up over the grass that's killing the grass.

48:45The grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds, kills the flowers, kills this. It everything is in competition with everything else. There is not a vegan fish. There's not a vegetarian fish every single fish every frog They are eating they're eating another organism to survive every one of them and that's what we did for As long as whenever we split from apes That's what we did apes still do it. They talk about all they eat fruit They eat fruit till they get a hold those little freaking pans or monkeys Yeah, then they go to town those chimpanzees They didn't even know about that until that David Attenborough documentary.

49:20Yeah. You ever see that one? Oh, dude, they go to war. If you ever wonder where our violence street comes from, oh, yeah, watch chimpanzees. Yeah. Have you seen Chip Nation? No. That's another great Netflix series. Yeah. Fuck. Incredible. They killed each other. The, the, the, and I asked the guy go, how often do they kill monkeys? He goes, we really didn't show how many times they killed monkeys because they did, they do it so often. Oh, yeah. I mean it's literally their preferred food. Yeah, they're gonna eat the leaves and the fruits and everything until they need that protein. Yeah, they eat the fruit because it's easy.

49:52Yeah. But if they can find monkeys, they go after monkeys. Yeah. And they eat them alive. They just start chewing on them. There's a video of this monkey's like screaming while this chimp is eating them from the hips down. Just, you see his little face and just looks so much like us to watch him just get eaten alive by a chimp who also looks a lot like us is just so fucked. That's the real nature. That's not vegan nature. That's not this bullshit utopian artificial paradise that people have created in their mind that they're doing if they're eating vegan. It's just not true. Unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard, unless you have a contained environment where you're composting and using mulch and you're making sure that everything that you grow, you're picking it yourself, if you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels from eating it.

50:44If that's not the case, you're involved in murder. But even then, even then, you don't think you're going to have a what happens when the grass hoppers come. And they'll get through that fence. Oh yeah. And that is to your crops. You have to kill the grasshoppers. You kill the grasshoppers and then what are you going to do when the squirrel gets in? You can't fence off your trees. Yeah. So what are you going to do? Well, you're going to give a way, a lot of your crop, which you're not going to want to do. Are you going to come up with a way to, or are you going to run the squirrel off? Okay, well then you just killed it because you ran it out of its habitat.

51:14So it just dies a slower death Yeah, so that with you don't We don't get to exist Without another organism fueling our existence period. I know it's such a hard thing for people to accept Well, I think it's because you they're so dissociated. Mm -hmm. You know, I talked about it in win river With the very end when he's given the speech to I don't know if you've seen that one or not. I didn't okay So, this guy, it takes place in the wilds of Wyoming. And there's a young woman who's an FBI investigator. She comes and she's investigating the death of an Native American woman, culminates in a big gun fight and she gets wounded but she doesn't die.

52:00He visits her in the hospital, Jeremy Brenner's character, who's from this area. And he says, you know, luck doesn't live in the wilderness. It lives in the city. You know, whether or not your car is the one that gets card jacked, whether someone's on their cell phone when you're walking through the crosswalk, that's luck. But out here you survivor, you surrender. Wolves don't kill unlucky deer, they kill the weak ones. Yeah. And that's the reality. That's the reality of our life. When you can walk from your condo to Aeroan, and buy your $19 almond butter and never ask yourself, I can tell you, I can tell you exactly right now, how much water it takes in a state with no water to make one almond and it takes three gallons.

52:52Yeah. So if you wanna amort it out, one almond takes three gallons. And how many almonds does one almond tree have? 10 ,000? We'll do the math. It's nuts. Do the math. Nothing comes without, there's an expense. Nothing makes me crack up more than the stop oil people when they're blocking the highway with clothes Made with oil like they have this is this is one of my like try me. It's fucking insane I'm making I'm making a TV show about this right now. Yeah called Landman with Billy Bob Ford Oh, wow about the oil industry and about energy. I love Billy Bob. That's a gangster. I love that dude gangster He's great and doesn't give a fuck does not give a fuck.

53:34He was great in 1882. Oh yeah, he's great. I love that dude. Showed up for one day, he goes, what am I doing doing this? Great. Just perfect. Wicked. Wicked. That's when I decided I got something for you. Nice. Or something we can do. But people don't understand, they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California. 75 % of California's electricity comes from fossil fuels. about 15 % comes from when then alternative energy and then they still get a little from nuclear. I don't know why everyone got off nuclear. That was like - That's the best thing for the environment. Believe it or not.

54:12We are, I spoke, when I was research in Landman, I reached out to some guys on MIT has a climate change board. They've got a bunch of scientists that are, you know, all they're doing is trying to figure out what is our next energy source. like what is a reliable energy source that's clean? And cold fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned as this is gonna be the deal. But they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power. Right now for the first time ever, they were able to create electricity with a through -calfusion that created more electricity than it took to create it.

54:54Like so they just net zeroed it. So how long before they can make enough of it, they can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it, and it's still affordable to us. How far off and then the infrastructure? What's the method of cold fusion? Like I don't even know how it's done. I mean it's the same, it's similar. Google that, Google like how is cold? Because I know there was a cold fusion thing a few years ago, but they decided that it wasn't, they couldn't repeat it. But I didn't know that they've actually pulled it off now. It's essentially you're splitting an atom, but you're not you're splitting it in a manner that doesn't seem to create the waste.

55:34And I think that's the reason they're backing off nuclear. They know something about the waste that they don't want to tell us forever. It lasts forever. And you dig holes in the ground. You got to cement it in there. Like there's spots in Nevada where they have just like fucking trenches filled with nuclear waste. But there's also emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries. There was something about that. There was some sort of technique that they were developing that was going to be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries. But we have a reasonable fear of radiation, obviously, because it's, you know, we know, like Chernobyl's fucked.

56:17It's going to be fucked forever. Fukushima's fucked. It's fucked forever. It's fucked for as long as there's ever been people alive, it'd be fuck three, four, five times that in the future. It'd be fucked. And then we also know that they haven't been real forthcoming with some of the dangers of it. Like the depleted uranium rounds they used during the Iraq war and all these soldiers came back and they had Gulf War syndrome. And that was, their babies were born all fucked up and no one wanted to take responsibility for it. But there's been some documentaries done on it. And I think the consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the depleted uranium rounds they use because apparently those fucking things are just lethal.

56:56They just go right through tanks. They depleted uranium rounds. Are they shit? But the problem is then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where all this stuff had gone down and they're breathing in and they're absorbing all this fucking radiation and they weren't warned. Well, look at all that look at all in the fifties when people used to go to Vegas and sit on the roof and watch nuclear testing I had a professor in college that was one of those guys and Got like umpteen kind of fucking different cancers I have to story about John Wayne. Yeah, John Wayne Well, John Ford all of them died of cancer because they kept shooting in monument valley where they were fucking setting all these things Exactly, but did anybody like definitively connect John Wayne and his cancer to that because I think I'd read something about many people that worked on those films Also also got similar.

57:48Yeah, yeah, but I mean John Wayne lived like he smokes cigarettes and drank a lot too It's like I heard the guy smoke five packs a day. Yeah, he was like a guy was part of it. It was all like a second pigs heart He'd had like eight different organ transplants in the late 60s He was actually kind of a tank that he survived a big heart. Yes They really did that with him. No. I mean, a joke about them, the Oscars. Whoa. They've actually successfully transplanted pig hearts. Yeah, I mean, have him. How do I not know this? I know they've done it with a friend of mine as another person's heart. Yeah, you got a heart attack and a heart transplant.

58:24Pig valve. Pig valve. Pig valve. Oh, I knew they were doing that. Yeah, they do artificial valves. My friend Everlast from House of Pain, he can take a microphone and put it to his chest and you can hear his fake valve going like tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick yeah it's weird it's weird he does it you like yo you got a fucking machine inside you keeping you alive does it run on the energy of his own body? it's a valve right so I guess it runs as the heart pumps you know it opens and closes just like the biological valve that you're born with but his is artificial wow yeah I think it's I don't want to speak out of turn but I think it's titanium or something like that something like very durable and like I know they're using titanium for other body parts.

59:05They're using it for articulating neck discs. So when people get bulging discs that turn to herniating discs and then they get degradation where the it's pinching on the nerves they have two options oftentimes. They'll either fuse you which is could be fucking horrible or they now they'll give you an alternative which is articulating disc and And guys have had those like Al Jermaine Sterling had one of those done and then went on to defend the bottomweight title in UFC and defended it more than anybody and just fucking dominated people. Yeah until he lost to Sean O'Malley he was like I think he defended the bottomweight title more than anybody and he won the title and then after he won the title he got need in the head during the title fight it was kind of a bad deal like he won the title by disqualification so a lot of people hated him and he discredited him.

59:54Then he got this operation, had this disc replaced his neck, and then they had the rematch and he fucking dominated the dude. Really? With a fake disc in his neck. So really was fucking him up. The children of John Wayne, Susan Hayward and Dick Powell fear that fallout killed their parents. This is from 1980. Wow. 1980. Twenty cast members, this is 91 that had contracted cancer. Wow. Oh my god, and this is pre -internet kids. And that's at that point too, 1980, so. Right, but this is you got to think this is like it was difficult to track down this kind of information back then and then to put it out on People magazine that's pretty wild Where they were doing St George Only 137 miles from atomic testing range at Yuka flat Nevada Yeah, they just blew shit up out there.

1:00:44Have you ever seen the map? There's a video of the map of the United States and it's actually the map of the world I'll put a lot of them happening in the United States. And it shows all the nuclear tasks that are happening all around the world. Like when they first did it, like it shows the Trinity bomb, boom. And then it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then it gets into the 50s, boom, boom, boom, boom. Watch this. Go to the first one. It goes on for 15 minutes. I know, but it's amazing. We don't have to watch the full 15 minutes. Can you like triple speed or something? Doesn't it do that?

1:01:15We did it a little bit, right? Playback speed, normal. Yeah, okay, so just watch a little bit of this So the first one goes off boom boom they're doing them in the ocean Because that's great for the top will tell you who's doing them, so like the couple are us five I'm so we've we're five in now is the United States eight United States. We're like I'm not sure if it works Let's keep doing it. These are all in the ocean by the way. There's so far the ones we've seen now rush to start Popping off. Oh shit rush has got one boom. They did a test and we're like Oh, bitch, we're gonna have to do some more tests now.

1:01:50You guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker? We got 500 ,000 of them. 16, 17. Now, by this time in 1951, the United States has 24, and Russia has three. This is 1952. I mean, here now, now the United States has 30, not now, look at this, we go up to 45, like quick. And then Russia goes to eight. They're trying to keep up. Australia's stuck some in there. Oh, did they really? Look at that, they got three. Or Great Britain didn't, they just decided to set it off in Australia. Yeah, that's probably what they did. Look at this United States has got 66 now. We're just popping off. So now these are all happening in Nevada You're seeing them all pop off in the United States So far at least in the same area which has got to be Nevada.

1:02:29See there. Look. They're all popping off in that same area It's all one which is new can one spot in the country and then we let gambling in that is 40 in like a year You know, oh my god, it's so insane. We talk about one thirty nine Yeah, right here. What night the October 1956 right 87 oh That's so insane and no one could tell them no here's the thing It's like they are the literally the people running the world back then and by March of 58 where at 121 How not question so we're setting off Thermonuclear weapons getting in pretty soon here probably some hydrogen bombs 67 we're at 510 Jesus Christ and we talk about things so insane.

1:03:14We talked about things that warm the planet. Yeah, that did a lot of warm and for sure I've never heard a new one. It's mentioned the half a 1000 nuclear bombs we set off here's the question. I know that the the fallout from Like meltdowns when reactors meltdown. That's pretty significant. That's a big deal But how much of a big deal is the fallout from bombs going off like like there's people that live in Fukushima now, right? Or Nagasaki right now, right? They live in Japan and the areas that got hit. They live in Hiroshima. It's okay there now, right? So how long is it, like those areas where they did the test, like what's it like now?

1:03:55Is it fucked? Is it, I did read at one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in those areas. And I don't know if they're still having those issues. Right, that was my question was like, just right after the bombs, were the people that survived, did they got all that horrible radiation? And then... I think it came in waves. I think there was a lot of cancers in like the three to five years afterwards. And then again, in 10, 15, we could probably look it up. But it was a continuous... The rush account jumps really fast here in one month.

1:04:32It jumped it did like 60 or so in one little area and it looks like July No, yeah September of 61 Oh, boy, that went to 60 bombs went off. That's the dude that's cruise Jeff That's the duty bang this fucking shoot on the on the desk remember you said we will bury you See find that That's that you want to think how scary things are now you want to think of what it was like in the 1960s when cruise chef is banging his fucking his heel on the but let me hear it because the the fucking tone of his voice this is beat to the rhythm issues out there made a song of course that's hilarious that was a scary fucking time and those are people that had lost millions and millions and millions of soldiers in world war two Oh yeah, were the 20 million Russians died?

1:05:30Yes, something like that.

1:05:39We live on earth now by the grace of God. No serve by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence.

1:05:56You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings allowed and will go on ringing. Death and destruction to colonial servitude away with it. We must bury it and deeper the better. He didn't bang a shoe. So when does he bang a shoe?

1:06:31I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, the way that they're controlling their own people is by threatening, they're basically saying the United States is threatening our existence. Uh -huh. Yeah. And that's the exact same thing that the American government said about the Soviet Union. And that's all that those nuclear testing's words. It's a dick measuring. It's just like, look what we could do, what we got. It's all, that's where communism goes, kids. It seems like a great idea.

1:07:10It seems like we should all share money. You know, we should like we shouldn't be so materialistic and if we just pooled our money together Everybody would have enough. We wouldn't have to worry about anything and the government just tells you what your job is I just want someone to show me an example of it working. It doesn't work Just show me one it works in small groups. That's what if you can get a small group of bad motherfuckers Well, here's where it works. You could be communist You could make the argument that the planes Indians tried for communist. You could make that right right right Because they didn't understand possessions.

1:07:40Well, everything and so I'll take the Lakota for example. Everything was predicated. Your wealth was basically how many horses you had. And those horses you stole from another nation, another tribe. The Lakota would steal from the Pawnee, they would steal from the Crow. Everybody stole from the Crow. They were all rating each other. Yeah. Which is an important point that is kind of left out of the narrative. And it's also, and they would obviously kidnap and one of the reasons that they did that was, you know, these are all familial tribes and it's survival. So we need a new bloodline to get in there.

1:08:12In that wild. Yeah. They also had low birth rates because of the riding of the horses. And probably the low body fat too because it's a purely for the large, for the most part, it's a pure protein diet. And they're just eating meat. And they were carnivorous completely. Yeah. Yeah. They would have, you know, there were certain things miners let us in various annual seasonal fruits and stuff they could find. They could think that they could find, but come winter, man, that's six months. It's your eating beef jerky, you know, and horses. And that's where they're falling the buffalo and 100%. I mean, that is the way to do it.

1:08:53But that's the thing is the people that let that way. Communism worked in that thing because what did we remove from it? Money. Right. Right. As soon as you take a trinket and you assign a value to that trinket, then people need to go be able to earn that trinket. That's such a good point. And if you look at communism, there's plenty of rich people in communist countries. Real rich. They just all work for the communist party. Yeah. Right. I do a lot of research on Cuba for a project and interestingly enough, they are given a ration of food every month, you get this, you're gonna get a certain amount of eggs, you're gonna get a certain amount, you're gonna get a sacrabene, you're gonna get your flour, you're gonna get your sugar, you're gonna get this, you're gonna get your coffee, and you're gonna get your rum, because we'd prefer you stay nice and liquid and happy, right?

1:09:44But you're not gonna get to choose where you live, you're not gonna get to choose your job. You're just not gonna get to do that. And I was studying up on this thing because I was riding about a fisherman. And if you and they live on an island, so you think, well, they could just go out and catch fish and lobsters and eat that. No, that belongs to the state. If you were caught with a lobster, you're going to prison. Oh, Jesus Christ. So you sacrifice any freedom. So yeah, you may have you may have free healthcare. How good is it? I don't know. But, but you don't get to determine your own path.

1:10:21It's a gangster system. And And then they have their athletics program, which is just off the charts. They produce some of the fucking craziest athletes in combat sports, particularly in combat sports. I know they do another things, but T. Phil Stevenson, who was the guy who was the rival to Muhammad Ali, but he never left amateur boxing. He just won the gold medal. I don't know how many fucking years he won in a row. But everybody was like, we could get this guy at Acuba. This is a guy that could actually test Muhammad Ali. He was that good. And he was just in their Cuban program. And everyone was terrified of him, because amateur boxers, they reach a certain level of ability and they get a good record going.

1:11:03And either they go to the Olympics, and if they can medal, that can ensure they get a big purse in the first few fights. Olympic gold medalist, pernell Whitaker, yeah, crowd with America, America. But if they don't, they just get enough experience where they can go professional. But in Cuba, they never go professional. So you get guys that are 15, 16 years into a boxing career that's essentially always been professional. Always been with the most elite coaches. The most elite sports drugs, like whatever the fuck they have, whatever therapies they have. They're not natural. Like you're gonna take whatever the fuck we give you.

1:11:36And that's what they did with Russia as well. Yeah. China. So how many times did he win the gold medal? Three golds in a row. Jesus Christ. Three golds in a row. That's 12 years of gold medals. Then all these other golds to other events. Yeah, all these different events I mean he was the fucking man. He was the fucking man So what you're essentially dealing with is like a Mike Tyson type dude who's at like that level of like world Championship caliber boxing, but you're having a fight amateurs So everybody else is just trying to get together a career so they can go off into the professionals This guy can never be professional.

1:12:11So he is a professional So he's the best in the fucking world, but he's just not getting paid to fight Muhammad Ali on television. Right. He might mean Ali might have beat him, Frazier might have beat him, form him might, some of those guys might have beat him, but he never got, we never got to see it. But what we did see is like that caliber of boxing come out of Cuba. And some of the scariest guys that have ever fought in the UFC have come out of Cuba. Yoel Romero, the freakyest of freak athletes of all time, came out of Cuba. Really? Yeah, he's like, he never won the gold in UFC, but he got to the fucking game when he was like 36.

1:12:46Really? Yeah, man. He's like in his 40s now and just jacked natural. Still fighting. I told the story before, I apologize if you've listened, but the UFC brought him to a doctor because he had a broken orbital bone in a fight. And they brought him to his doctor. And the doctor contacts UFC and says, where did she get this guy? And he goes, he's one of our fighters. They go, I've never seen a guy like him. He goes, yeah, yeah, he's amazing, right? He goes, don't know, you understand? I've never seen a human being like this. I've been a doctor for 35 years or whatever it was. He goes, the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person.

1:13:27He goes, he's already healing. He goes, the bone that's fractured in his orbo, is very healing. It started to heal. It's like, where'd you get this guy? What the fuck did you get this guy? Have you ever seen him? Wait, I just wait to see what he looks like that's you all around brown. He's in his forties here in his forties And he's a fucking amazing guy an amazing guy he came in here and did a podcast with me and Joey Diaz translated So he can only speak limited limited English, but he was talking about Cuba. He was like Well, you are think you but they so many so many guy They're killers and killers and you become a much a muchine.

1:14:07You become a muchine and I was like, oh my god. But that guy went through so that is also a part of what cube is. They're forced into this. If you were at the best level, you get to eat three times a day. But if you're at the other level, you get to eat twice a day and you don't get to sleep in the good places. You get to sleep in the shit places. So all these guys are training with each other, all fighting for these spots, literally for food. I think crazy. Stevenson then 22 years old was rewarded with a house for himself in Havana, and another for himself and his family, and I don't know how to say that, delicious.

1:14:42At least yes. Stevenson later recalled, I had no idea how some deletious was going to be so big. When I was showing the plane, I said, what is this? A bunker of the plans, Rather. I said, what is this, a bunker? So they gave him stuff. They gave him like houses and shit. Yeah, they would treat them well. They did that also for the Soviet athletes, like guys like Correlin, the guy who's, that's another experiment. They literally called him the experiment. You know who he is? I should have showed you the photo in the gym. There's a photo of him that I have out there just constantly, I need a constant reminder of what a pussy I am.

1:15:18And it's this photo of Correlin who was like six, two, 300 pounds and moved like a cow. I know, I know exactly this guy is, yeah. literally his move was to pick guys up and smash them into the ground. So look at his face. He was beating you up with the world. So everybody else was trying to wrestle. And what Karelian was doing was wrestling so that he could beat you up with the world. He's hitting you, boom, into the world with all of his weight and all of your weight. And he just kept peaking people up and slam them. And he would let them go back to the ground and he'd pick them up again and slam them and he did it to everybody.

1:15:55Nobody could stop it. He was that much of a freak. And his parents were little, like little folks, regular size folks, five, five, five, seven, just a little time folks. And he's just as fucking human cat. He just got, just like human cat. Don't look at us of whatever their best genes were. So that's the other side of communism. Like they'll force you into this program and the killers, the guys like this is him. Look at you, dude, people. These guys, this is a fucking, that's a national champion from some country. and Correllon just got a hold of him, but he's just gonna fuck him up. Boom! So he's just throwing you into the ground over and over and over and over again.

1:16:33Watch how he does this. Boom! The fucking amount of power involved in that is absurd. That's a 260 pound man. And he's just hurling him around. So that's the plus side of communism. You can get some amazing athletes. If you do it, you're farming athletes. Yeah, I mean they're essentially like the best of the best doing it that way. We could do it better here for sure We definitely could do it. We have the best athletes for sure If you'd looked at like you watch the NFL you watch the you watch the best athletes are right here Even if they've moved here to become a part of this like Francis and Ghana who came to America They're the best athletes are here.

1:17:14It seems there's a lot of really good ones in other countries They're real close, but man, it comes to like super freak athletes. There's capitalism seems to be the way to go. It seems to be that's especially capitalism if you don't drug test them well. That's the best way to get a little sloppy on the drug testing. It's gonna help. Yeah, that'd be nice guys. If I was running shit, like I would do, you know, the UFC has usada and then they got rid of us. Usada and other drug, drugs free sport, which is going to do a similar program, but just do it more logically in their perspective. You side would like, sometimes wake fighters up at four o 'clock in the morning or six o 'clock in the morning, the day of the weigh -ins.

1:17:51Oh, terrible. Terrible. Terrible, because they're cutting weight in their just... Right, to exhausted their dehydration. And now you're gonna test them on the day of a weigh -in. That's so stupid. Like, you don't have to do that. You can catch them. If they're doing something, you're gonna catch them. And if they're not doing something, let them go through this fucking insane process without disturbing them. The weight cut is an insane process. And nobody, people have never seen it before. Don't know how nutty it is, but I think they should do some stuff. I think they should be able to do some stuff.

1:18:21I really do. I think it's science. I think it helps you heal better. I think there should be like rational limits of what you can and can't do. You know, I don't think you should be able to do full -on like trend and steroids and wild shit. No, but can you do pep -dot therapy? Can you do that? No, that's my problem. That is 100 % my problem. If you look at, and I've done it, if you look at the NFL's rule of all the shit you can't take. Yeah. Like one of those guys could go to GNC and pick something up and end up testing. It happens with the UFC all the time. And it happens with guys that 100 % are not taking steroids.

1:18:51Yeah. They got some creatine. Yeah. And there was who knows what they mixed it on or the creating spike too high or did something. Well, that was one thing that UFC's drug program did a fantastic job of. If you went to the USADA website, there was a full list of all of the things that if you bought you would piss hot. So it's like whenever they find like a contaminated, because like one of the things we found out when we started on it, when we started this supplement company, with my friend Aubrey myself, when we started making this vitamin called alpha brain, we had a certain amount of ingredients that were in there.

1:19:26And so then we would get it third party tested. And so then we get it third party tested and third party tested like, you guys have this in there too. Like what is that? Why is that in there? Well, it turns out when you're getting your stuff mixed, they're not really cleaning those barrels out real good. Right, they're just tossing shit in and... Right, so if you're buying like fucking super pump from the vitamin shop, whatever it is, you know, that has like something that's supposed to boost your testosterone, and they're making the same place where they're making real roids. Yeah, well then you're getting it.

1:19:54You're gonna get a little... It's gonna get it, some of the stuff that works, works because it's roids. You know, that's the thing. Like those gas station dick pills? It's probably just Viagra. Uh -uh. Not a core. I've never tried them, but not a core to my friend, Brian, who was a gas station dick pill addict for a while. He says they're steroids. He says they have to be steroids. Because they make you so aggressive, and they give you so much energy, and he goes, you're dick as hard as a frog. He goes, I was addicted to him. So there's just salons. You're gonna see a big spike in sales of like dragon fire or whatever they call that shit.

1:20:28Yeah, well they did find out that a lot of them had viagra in it. And that's one of the reasons why they kept getting pulled. But they would get pulled and they'd come back with a new name. So they're all done like with foreign companies and sneaky companies So they'd be like you know like black rhino would be one and then like that would be like white rhino would be the new one Like you got got rhinos we got the white rhinos. Okay, give me one of them and people were essentially going to gas stations and buying these Wild unknown amphetamines spliced in with viagra, spliced in with steroids. What exactly is rhino pills?

1:21:03Some rhino products contain sedentifil or tedapha fill according to the FDA. These are respected in the active ingredients of viagra and sial. Yeah, but I think they also had some other stuff in there, man. They had some other stuff in there. Minerals, herbs, vitamins, enzymes, amino acids, it doesn't have to say what they are. Right. Maybe also steroids. Maybe also, maybe also, Yeah, there's some stuff that you can take in oral form that I guarantee that that's not expensive and if you can get people like my friend Brian Who's like completely addicted to this fucking thing to spider wall at time He didn't need to like reviews of gas station dick pill Brian red been you the man.

1:21:43He did read did reviews He's a character man. This is a dude who when Pepsi Spice got made, he developed a website called PepsiSpice .com because they didn't have the domain. So he bought the domain. So he bought Pepsi Spice and then documented him drinking Pepsi Spice all day long and horrible diseases happen to him. His life fall apart, he's losing weight. He was making it up. He just made up this fake blog about dying while drinking too much Pepsi Spice. Yeah, this is the dick dick pill guy. He's a mania Pepsi over there like hey, I think they did I think they did and I Think they introduced you to our attorney.

1:22:26Yeah, I think they fucked up though and not getting the domain and this guy had the domain And then their concern is this guy actually drinking 15 gallons of Pepsi spice a day doesn't really is he having fucking cholera? Like what's happening to this kid? But how do we get on this tangent? It was all about left. Do you have see allowing peptides? And we got there from nuclear waste and we got there from Coal fusion. That's a pretty good. It's been nice little run. Yeah. Yeah. It's um We're in a weird time in this country where where people are so divided that they don't even want to look at the actual truth of things If they have like an ideological position on things they just want to only hold onto that and never open their mind up to other people's perspectives and It's also at a time where more people have access to information than ever before so it's so easy to change your perspective today because there's so much information you can always get new information.

1:23:19And there seems to be a between both political parties, a feverish need for control that I don't ever recall. You know, you can watch the debates between, there's a real funny one between Reagan and Mondale. And Reagan says at one point, you know, age he was 70, for maybe when he was running for re -election. and his age was an issue. That might be an issue in this scub coming election. That'll be spring chicken in this election. And Reagan said, he said, listen, I'm not going to allow age to be an issue in this debate. I will not hold my, the other candidate's youth and an experience against him.

1:24:09Let me just turn it into a joke. But it was a joke and Mondale laughed. I think they shook hands. It was a civilized debate about what's the way to run this country? That's pretty quick right there. He did look pretty old back then. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience. In what Mondale laughed? Yeah, what a better time back then. What a better time these two guys are in a debate And he says like, oh, you got me. Good job. He just took it on the chin. Yeah, like a man. How come they can't do that anymore? Even the fucking guy. My dad, Mr. Truett, I might add that it was Seneca or it was Cicero.

1:24:52I don't know which that said, if it was not for the elders, correcting the mistakes of the young, there would be no state. Mr. President, I'd like to head for the fence and try to cast that one before it goes over. But I'll go on to another question. So it was a time when you really feel like and forget political leanings. Both of those guys, it seemed, you know, they had different ideas about the way to get to the same place. Yeah. And I think we're in a very unique place right now where no one's even talking about where we're trying to go. This is really about thought and beliefs. No one's talking policies.

1:25:31I haven't heard anyone talk about various policies in 34 years. What we're talking about is, which by the way, when you're talking about what you can believe and what's this and we're going to argue about arbitrary things that aren't arguable, really. And we keep our focus on that and everyone's so impassioned about their position on some social issue that we have no solution to, then you don't focus on a $34 trillion debt. You don't focus on the fact that we're so reduced in our in our position on the world stage. There was a time when our our military and our political resolve was so aligned that Nobody wanted to fuck with us and we could sit there and say hey guys We're not gonna have a war in Ukraine.

1:26:19We're not gonna do it and they go okay You know if you think about 9 -11 and And George W. Bush was not a very popular president at that moment in time. And people have forgotten that Al Gore and the Democratic Party, and I didn't vote for George W. Bush, they questioned that election then. They said it was rigged. They said it was this. They took it to the Supreme Court. We didn't have a president really for almost two months. Was that the dangling chance? Yeah, that was the hanging chance. and then cut to, you know, a year later and he's woefully unpopular and then 9 -11 happens and he gave a speech, the best speech of his entire presidency, I thought, that galvanized the nation and I remember and I lived in LA at the time when that happened and everybody was, they'd see a fireman or a policeman that said, hey, thank you for your service.

1:27:21Like, let me buy you a cup of everybody in a while. And there was a sense of, the sacrifice these guys and these men and women took on. And we were really unified, moving forward against what we needed to do to protect our sovereignty and protect the people of the country. Then it got fucked up, then it became about oil and became about a bunch of other things. But there was a time that time was the best of us. That time I remember driving to work and I was driving on the street and every fucking car had an American flag on it. My friend Jay London used to sell them. Sell these little American stuff.

1:27:53But I don't know, yeah, everyone had them. Everyone had them. And this is Los Angeles. This is in LA, yeah. There's liberal cities, there isn't America. They woke right the fuck up. And everybody came together and people were nicer for a while. It was interesting. It was a really unique time. But it didn't last, you're right. It didn't last. But also it was like, wait, why are we going to Iraq? It got real squarely, real fast. Wow, that's. and the weapons of master's instruction thing and all that other stuff. It's like, God damn it. Like we had the world's faith in love for a little bit. But we did what we did what we do.

1:28:27We did what we always do. Yeah, we found a way to make a business of it. Well, that's what people do. That's their job. It's human nature and you're not going to find it. You know, consider you can pick the historical moment and we can find someone who exported it. That's why it's fascinating to watch something like 1883 because you're seeing human beings exploiting human beings in this very raw way. One thing that really got me was the robbers, the groups of robbers, because I didn't really take that into consideration either. But it wasn't just that you had to worry about the command sheet, you had to worry about these groups of robbers who would just show up and kill everybody.

1:29:02that actually, you know, if you look at statistics, bandits killed more of these immigrants moving north and people on the Oregon Trail than the Native Americans did. Wow. I never even considered that until the show. I mean, I knew they existed, but I didn't think of them as that big of a factor. Well, you got to... Well, it's this. It's an area with absolutely no governance, no rule of law, whatsoever. None. And I think that's something that people need to be thinking about now. you know, we've got, I always think, what do I leave in my son? What's the world like in 30 years for him? Right? And decisions made now, we sit here and break rules that are clearly established in a constitution, which has existed for a couple hundred years and held this place together.

1:29:51When we start manipulating that document to maintain relevance for a very short -term goal for for a politician or for one specific cause, whatever that cause is. When we start manipulating that and abandoning the rule of law, when we start doing that 30 years from now, that benchmark is what's going to be used against all the people that pushed it right now. That's what scares me right now about all this talk about primaries, about limiting people from primaries. There's been, see if you can find this, they were saying that many states have chosen to You only have Joe Biden to vote for in the primaries.

1:30:30And you know it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, such a bad idea. Here's, this is my point where, and you, and you, people could think of Donald Trump however they want to think of Donald Trump. It doesn't really matter who the individual is. A, a court in Colorado is going to essentially make a decision based upon a trial that has not happened yet. In other words, they're basically saying he's guilty of something that he hasn't been tried for and therefore they're removing him from a ballot. Right. Right now, maybe the Democrats feel as though they're justified in that action because they're so terrified of what Donald Trump may do if he becomes president again.

1:31:13But are they thinking about what's going to happen in 20 years or 30 years? Because this has now been established. And at some point, the Republicans will gain control. they will get a majority in the Senate again. We look through history. It just swings back and forth. It's gonna for eight years, it's this, and eight years, it's that. So another party will be in control. And that party can use all of these manipulations of rules to maintain control. And that's when you start to have a dictatorship in the end of the day. Regardless of who's left right, doesn't make a difference. Exactly. And if you let that happen, Biden won't have challengers in North Carolina 2024 primary elections at State Democratic Party decides.

1:31:50North Carolina Democratic Party declined to allow any Biden challenges on the ballot for the 2024 primary. They made a similar effort in 2020 attempting to put only Donald Trump on the ballot that year. Both of those are terrible ideas. In order to get on the ballot, you need to have donors in the state and actively campaigning in the state. Neither of them have been here this cycle. Who are the other people? Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson. How crazy is it? Who's Dean? Who the fuck are you Dean? I never heard your voice. I've never seen your face. I'm a soda. Come on, let me see Dean. Imagine if Dean pulls it off.

1:32:29Maybe Dean's the man. I don't even know. He's in Marianne Williamson. Look at him. Like a self -help writer. Um. He's in the South right there. She's a self -help writer. Self -help author from California. Pfft. Pfft. I want to thank highly of everybody without prejudice. But if you tell me you're a self -help author from California, I automatically, what? Kind of, that's like, I'm mini. You're gonna have to do a lot of counseling when she gets to DC. Yeah, I mean, she's gonna self -help the world. Maybe she's good, I don't know, but either one of them have almost no chance against Biden anyway, right?

1:33:01So why are they limiting people's choice? You should never limit people's ability to choose. I mean, maybe those people can get on a debate stage and rock the world and all of a sudden there's a big movement behind them, but that's supposed to be what it's about kids. That's supposed to be what the whole thing is about. Someone comes along with a more compelling candidate. You're supposed to get them. It's not the party is not supposed to be able to decide who the guy is against the will of the people because that's a lot like comedy that some kids. It is, it's fascist. It is, it's fascist, it's crazy.

1:33:31It's crazy that you think you can do it because you think your team is right. We're the good guys. Well, if you think you're so right, then why won't you allow your positions to be challenged so that you can prove how much better they are? Because they have the ability to enact control. And when you give people the ability to enact control, they always take it. That's why you have to always resist them moving those fucking boundaries. Because it's just human nature. You could call it evil. You could say all these different things. You could call it greedy. It's human nature to want more. And when you have a certain amount of control and you get a lot more things done with more control, you try to get more control.

1:34:06And then you try to figure out strategies. How do we, what could we do in order to make it important that we pass a new law? So now we have the NDAA. Now we have the Patriot Act. Now we have this. Now okay now we got a lot more control Now we have the NSA spying on everybody. Much more control. It's much and every time this happens you get more and more. The problem is those politicians It doesn't matter if you're a congresswoman from Indiana or California or Texas. Yes, you you were elected by a certain district And you're representing that district, but you're also representing every other citizen of the United States, you're a U .S.

1:34:43Congressperson, okay? And you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution above and beyond everything else, and they're manipulating the document for very short -term game. And I'm not blaming, they're all doing it. And people need to wake up to that because they're going to manipulate it in a way that is going to to look, there's plenty of countries in this world that have elections. They have a, now we're not a democracy or a republic, but they have their free elections and they got one candidate. Yeah. Guess what? That candidate always seems to win. Crazy. But the overwhelming majority in that shock.

1:35:25Crazy how that happens. And anybody who's a rabble rouse or gets shot. Sounds good. Sounds perfect. It's just we should know this by now, you know listen how about you leave the document alone will let you keep inside of trading Just like a little bit. Well look aside. I'm not hating the game I'm not hating the play that I saw a really interesting thing about These senators on both sides that have been in for 20 30 years they make 175 ,000 here And there were hundreds of millions 85 million a hundred and 95 million They're really good investors. Oh Yeah, that's it. They're really good investors some people are good at it.

1:36:04Okay, maybe not so good at it. Sorry They just they're prescient. They're like, you know, maybe there's a room that you can go to in the White House and you can just You know, I think I think I think we've hit a point to where and this was a pretty popular conversation of the 80s and 90s And then it just disappeared. I think we got to start talking about term limits Yeah, that's a good idea term limits are good idea. We see someone like Nancy Pelosi Yeah, because she's like the best at riding out that wave with her day trader husband. Yeah, how about Feinstein? She wrote it out until she's literally dying and they're telling her who to vote for.

1:36:37Yeah, they're just pushing her out there. I think maybe it's gonna probably take two terms to even figure out what you're doing in the House of Representatives. My favorite is Mitch McConnell. Oh, dude. When he just switches off, that dude just switches off. Hey, we've got some Auca -Generians up in there right now. Yeah, once you switch off, once you can't drive anymore. Okay, you know how to drive you just switch off okay grandpa grandpa give me the fucking keys Yeah, okay, and so you're driving what what are you doing? What are you doing you're involved in important decisions for the entire world?

1:37:12Should there be age limits? Fuck yeah Fuck yeah or at least an aptitude test an aptitude test, but also Depended upon future aptitude test and future physical fitness evaluations. Yeah, that's what I think I think if you can't just say every 75 year old is the same as every other 75 year old because look at Robbie Kennedy Bobby Kennedy Jr. Is like hold is he 69? He looks fucking great fit. He's fit. He's always at gold's gym. He works out jeans for some strange reason I don't know why he does that. That's the mold school shit. I guess it's a little skid in them back in the day Yeah, it's Scotts guard their jeans ago skin.

1:37:48Yeah That's actually I first met him. I met him in Aspen just randomly. Yeah, I was up there I don't ski. I used to skate, but my last accent, I was like, that's right. I did the same thing. I'm like, I'm like, that's horses are dangerous. I have a friend of mine who has a fake knee because of it. He went skiing, he tore his knee apart, and he had to get an artificial knee. Yeah. Fuck that. I know it's fun. I get it. But anyway, I ran into him there, and he looks fucking jacked. Look at him. Yeah. That's a 69 year old guy. Now, there's a lot of dudes that I know that are 69 that don't look anything like that.

1:38:18I mean, no disrespect, Ron White. But put Ron White's body next to the Robert Kennedy Jr. spotting. When the guy's fucking really fit, that's fake. Yeah, that one's fake. But the real ones are very impressive. My point is, it's like, okay, that guy don't have a problem with his age at all. He's obviously very bright. He's constantly writing books. He's a brilliant environmental lawyer. But then there's other guys, like they get to like, he, you think of that, okay? That's only five years younger than Reagan in that video. Yeah. There's a difference. Yeah, there's a difference. Now somewhere at 70, you should have to take some type of aptitude test and a physical fitness test and then maybe every two years after.

1:39:00Yes, for sure. And maybe for driving. I'm pretty sure after a certain age, you have to have an annual driver's test. Is it? Yeah, it's something like that. Maybe in some states it varies. I don't know, but you should definitely. Because my grandpa, when he before he died, whoo, he would take me out and I'd be like, oh shit. And my grandpa had an old Buick. this big ass, was it a Chrysler? Chrysler, old Chrysler. It's big ass fucking car. So it was like one of those boats, like when you turn the wheels, like we're in the car. And he couldn't see anymore. Like he, and he didn't want to admit it.

1:39:32So he didn't want to not, you know, he didn't want to not drive, but he couldn't see. It was fucking sketchy. And he couldn't drive it night at all. But it just, you know, take us out, we're like seven, like gripping the fucking seats like Jesus Grandpa. And those old Chryslers, you know, there's about this much play in the wheel. You got so much play, you can't make any fast maneuvers. They don't handle it all. For running the fucking most important army, the world is ever known. Yeah, you probably should have aptitude tests. If you're going to be the president, there should be some way we can tell.

1:40:07If there's a foolproof way, we can tell you're not falling apart. But do you really think Joe Biden would pass that test? He wouldn't have passed that test before he became president. And he's aging rapidly while he's president. Every president in my lifetime, you've watched them. Think about some of the younger presidents, George W. Bush and Obama. You know, they went in there in their 40s with a full head of dark hair. Yep. And that is not how they left. They got scared. I mean, that is... Pressure that job must be insane. And you know what it's like, and this is... There's no comparing the two, but just how ragged you can get run And if you're gonna go do a comedy show here and then there and then there and you're just living out of a suitcase And then you got to say this you got to be on yeah, I mean it takes a toll Yeah, when I go direct I mean if I go on a six month which I'm about to a six month seven month run of directing every single day Where I have to make decisions from six a .m.

1:41:01Until nine o 'clock at night Then I got to watch footage till midnight. I get three four hours of sleep at night for six months I'm a fucking wreck But you were telling me about season three of Yellowstone that you essentially wrote it on Saturdays Yeah, I was directing a movie with Angie, with Angie and Joly in New Mexico. And they had a start date that by God they were going to start, didn't matter they didn't have scripts, they were going to start. And I had to, you know, we would shoot, do a night shoot Friday night and finish about seven in the morning. And I'd come home and sleep till two and wake up out of coffee and write the script, Saturday till, you know, One, two in the morning, wake up Sunday, do it, do it again, finish the script, send it off.

1:41:44Oh my God. I did it 10, 10 episodes, I did it 10 weeks in a row. Fucking killed me. How do you keep your brain active during that time? Are you careful about what you eat or you drink a lot of water? Very, very. Very, yeah. I would imagine that your body's on the edge. You can't fuck around. I'm very, very conscious of what I eat. You know, I try to be pretty conscious anyway, but I'm a freak when we're directing Do you take any neutropics or anything like that? So I take I take a big mix of different things. I take muscle factors. I take I take in in in men And I'll do like a thiamisin alpha, which is a which is a peptide that's an anti -inflammatory Your body And I'm and I'm just really rigid.

1:42:29I do a B12 shot every other day Mm -hmm on set But just anything that I can do to keep me alert and, you know, because you'll get what they call the movie flute where you just get run down. You just, you know, the hours are, you know, it's 14, 16 hours a day. Yeah. And then - And you have deadlines and you have a budget and you have to do it that way. I mean, the budget, yeah, we have a budget, but you've seen my shows. They let me run. So I have - The CGI in 1883. I was like, this is insane. because I don't want to give anything away with his scene with a storm where you're like, oh my god. Like you can do some wild shit.

1:43:07Well the other thing is yes, but the other thing is I waited till a day with 60 mile an hour wins to shoot that. Oh perfect. I like God do a lot of the CGI. No, there's a terrible storm coming in and I said let's go. Let's sweep the schedule. Yeah, because there's no way you could ever have done that with your hair and all the things flying around. Yeah, yeah, it was fun. It was great, man. It's a great show. How about that ending? Whew, it was rough. It was rough. It was just walking around my house, like two hours afterwards. And the funny thing is I told the audience what was going to happen on the first scene.

1:43:43Yeah, I know that was a wild thing you did. Yeah, it's like you're waiting for it throughout all the episodes. You know, there's only 10. So you're like, wow, let's just go down. It did definitely added a layer of anticipation. It's brilliant man, it really is. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen. And I shot 70 % of it, 80 % of it at the four sixes. How the fuck is Tim McGraw and Faith Hill so good? That's crazy, isn't it? How would they so good at acting? Well, let me tell you what, every singer can act. Just like every comedian can act. Dude, he's fucking incredible. Did you ever see him in Friday Night Lights?

1:44:28The movie? No. No. That film that, and I know Pete Berg came on the show with you here. Pete was a big mentor of mine. And that, to me, is a perfect sports film. It's a fun, if you haven't seen that movie, you've got to see that movie. It's Billy Bob Forton and Tim McGraw plays this abusive dad and it is, I mean, he's raw, but he is, the well runs deep with that guy. Well, you can tell in that movie, man, or in your show, rather, he's just 100 % buy that he is a stone cold killer. And Faith, she hadn't acted before. We were just hoping. Incredible. And she brought it. Incredible. Yeah. Boss said it has to help that there are real life married couple.

1:45:12You know, it's like, there's like a real like you, there's like layers of chemistry when they're on the set together. And the subtext is that every day it was and the heavy moments. I don't want to give anything away But some of the heavy heavy moments between the tool and like oh my god imagine deal with that The fucking shit those people out of deal with it's insanity It's heavy dudes. I have a show but it's really good I think it's a really important thing for people to be aware of that. That's a pretty act It's obviously fiction, but it's a pretty accurate representation of how it went down Yeah, I mean the circumstances are imaginary, but the tools and the things.

1:45:47I mean that's how they died and that's how they lived. Yeah, you know, when you look back at all the civilizations that have existed, that have risen and fallen and you know, and the idea that that's happening to America now, like this is what's happened on this continent over the last 400 years is one of the most insane stories in all of history, in all of history. I mean, there's some insane stories and saying, you know, empires that ruled the world for long periods of time, you know, the Portuguese and the British and the Mongols, of course, and the Vikings. But what the fuck happened here is so crazy that there was a country full of nomadic Native American tribes that were warring with each other all the time and living off the land and living in harmony with the land and then all of a sudden boats start showing up.

1:46:40and then within 50, 60, 100 years, 200 years, it's just flooded with Europeans, like a mass invasion of a place that had people have been living on it for 20 ,000 plus years. Yeah, maybe longer, you know, they found some, you know, the Clovis point that they found in New Mexico which dated back to like 12 ,000 BC. And I could go on a sidebar with these archaeologists when they find something that's the oldest, they will defend it to the death. They do not want anything older to be found. Well, yeah, that's a real problem with Egypt too. But they found another point of some kind in New Mexico that dates back another 8 ,000 years.

1:47:21Yeah, they found footprints. Yeah, yes, that's what it was footprints. I think it's 22 ,000 years. Yeah, it shatters. Also, it's just what they found. Yeah. Like who's to say there's not one that's 35 ,000 years old. Yeah, we're saying that the oldest thing we found is the oldest thing. That's ridiculous. Which is just fucking human. It's ridiculous. Well, that's what they're realizing now with human civilizations. That it's very likely that there was a mass disruption of human civilization from asteroid impacts or something like that. And we had to rebuild. And that's what the pyramids are and that's what a lot of the structures they've had even in North America.

1:47:54And, you know, catastrophes do happen. And I know we don't want to believe it. It's just like the vegans don't want to believe they're causing any deaths when they buy their kale. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing. We don't want to we don't want to believe that this could ever fall apart and we could be right back to square one Right back to living like nomadic tribal people, but that 100 % can happen. Well, you know what? You know Einstein's famous saying when they asked him what will be the weapon of destruction in World War three And he says I have no idea, but I know what it is in World War four.

1:48:27I said what does it go sticks? Yeah It probably doesn't even have to be the war though. That's a problem. The problem is we're in a fucking shooting gallery. We're spinning around in a shooting gallery of massive chunks of space debris that literally is the stuff that forms planets. Yeah. And it's everywhere. There's so much of it out there. There's hundreds of thousands of near -earth objects. And there's a whole asteroid belt. And if one of them collides with another one, and one of them's coming in from some other place and it hits one and just shh. It sends it right towards us. And some of them are fucking huge.

1:49:06And when those things hit, that's a wrap civilization. Whatever people are left, good luck. Good luck. You're gonna live like barbarians for the next thousand, two thousand years before people reinvent civilization again. Yeah. And it'll be interesting to see if it's reinvented the same. I don't think it will be. I think there's a certain amount of genetic memory in people. And I think even if something horrible happened and we had to start right now from scratch and rebuild civilization, I think I still think we would be better off than people who tried to do that 5 ,000 years ago or even 10 ,000 years ago.

1:49:45I think the human, the collective human consciousness is something other than just what you know and what you've read. I think there's some shit that's in you in genetics. I think people are better at stuff now than they've ever been before. But clearly, if that's the case, clearly, whoever built the pyramids, they must have been around way longer. They must have been they must have been able to have a civilization that thrived way longer than ours They still can't figure out how they built it and and there's something that I just read about If you look at its longitude and add it to it's like a perfect one one millionth of it.

1:50:29Yeah, it's almost perfectly true north -south east and west. Yeah, it's amazing Yeah, and it's whoever did that that probably was along the same lines that were on. They just had way more time to do it. They had thousands and thousands and thousands years. Where we've only had a few hundred. Few hundred of craziness, few hundred of the industrial revolution, combustion engines, utilization of fossil fuel. All this shit that we're doing now, nuclear fuel, nuclear weapons. This is real, real, real, real, real recent. So if they had some more time than we did, that's what explains that shit to me.

1:51:05And I think that if we go and then there's a few barbarian people left of you know few thousand all over the planet and they eventually Reduce civilization to probably do a slightly better job. I think I think each group does a slightly better job But it probably takes forever it would probably take another four or five thousand years for civilization to really emerge again Are you familiar with the I'm fascinated with anthropology, human anthropology, and the fact that we now know that there were four different human species living on the planet at the same time. Yeah. At the same time. Yeah, maybe more.

1:51:46The homework. The homework was still around too. You got the deniveres, you got Neanderthal, you've got your homo sapien, and then there was another of some Indonesian island. Yeah, the homo floresc. for SCNs, I think that's how you say it, those little hobbit people. Yeah, they think there's still some of those a lot alive somewhere. There's a thing in some parts of the country they call them the Orang Pendeck and in jungles people have reported seeing these little tiny people, little tiny hairy people, like you know 30 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. And so there's this myth of this Orang Pendeck and they never took it seriously until they found these little people in the island of Flores.

1:52:27And like some of these jungles are just so insanely dense, like in Vietnam and places like that. Like, who knows? There might be a small population of these things still alive today or where a lot of a few uncontacted tribes. There's that one in India that every time somebody tries to kill that. No, a Sentinel island. They kill them. Yeah. Well, they didn't use to. You know, when they started killing them, there was a guy named Commander Maurice. I wanted to make a movie about that. Maurice Vidal Portman, yeah, he was a pervert. He'd run around fondling people and drawing pictures of them, making them dress up like Roman soldiers and talk about the size of their dicks.

1:53:04Did you know about that? Yeah, it's like this one, a testicles the size of a sparrow's egg. Like he was doing science. He's a little pervert. And this guy, he was responsible for getting a bunch of them sick and a few people died. And they even kidnapped people and they tried to raise their kids somewhere else. I think they kidnapped some people. But that was a very hostile interaction with white people. So from then on, you see them start killing them. They're gonna give you herpes and they're throwing spears at helicopters. They're gonna make fun of your balls. So that one guy, he just like did, you know, air quotes science, just traveled around to all these islands and fucking with these people.

1:53:46Yeah, and now they were like that. Yeah, now they'll fucking kill you. They'll fucking kill you. They kill everybody. You can't even get out of the boat. They're already shooting arrows in your direction. Now they have metal too, because they took one of the boats that got stranded there. They had to rescue these people that were stuck on this boat, because the North Sentinel people were coming for them in the boat, and they literally had to rescue them in time. But they got on to the boat, and then the next time they saw them, they noticed that they had metal weapons. So yeah, so they think they've salvaged pieces of the boat and turned it into knives and sharpened them and stuff like that.

1:54:20Yeah It's crazy because there's only 39 of them and They're the direct descendants of people who left Africa 60 ,000 years ago And because they're such a small number of them on this island the size of Manhattan They just never passed like how humans were a hundred thousand years ago or whatever it was 60 ,000 years ago They're exactly that they live exactly the way people live back then, which is really wild to see You know, uncontacted tribes man. That is that's one of the weirdest windows into the variability who we are Yeah, who we are but also the variability that you can have people that are driving around electric cars Talking on cell phones and at the same time some guy is sneaking up on a monkey in the jungle with a bow and arrow with a poison tip on it And you know, and his family's been doing it that way forever, forever.

1:55:13They're both happening at the same time. You know, that's kind of the wildest part of the story of the people coming to America. Is that the Native American people lived in this. Like one of the things that's really, the way was so appealing, the one of the things that's so interesting about the reports from back then, was that people that had left modern air -quote western civilization and moved in with Indians, it started living in Indian cultures. They never wanted to go back. But whenever they took people from, like when it was Cynthia Ann Parker, when they kidnapped her when she was nine, and then they rescued her when she was a woman, she wanted to go back.

1:55:52She escaped twice. Yeah, she's like, I don't wanna be, this life sucks. Like that's the life. Like the living in the tent and fucking chasing the buffalo, that's the life. Everybody said that. Nobody wanted to go the other way. There wasn't people that were dying to like get educated and fucking be forced into, you know jobs. Well, Aquana, who was extremely smart as the last chief of the Comanche Nation. And then when he finally went to the reservation of Oklahoma and they said, okay, here you are, he was smart enough and a student enough to make a business of it. And, you know, there's a few ranchers, Sam Burper and Het, who founded the Four Sixes, and W .T.

1:56:36Wagner, and Charles Goodnight, who needed somewhere to graze their cattle, because that part of West Texas was having a terrible drought, Oklahoma had a lot of good grass. They went up and talked to Kwanan and said, hey, could we graze our cattle here? We'll pay you. Things like your pay us. Yeah, we'll pay you. All right, yeah, I'll do that. And so it became a great, you know, partnership that they had and did that for years. Really until Congress got wind of it and they're like, we don't need those any people making money. That's not, we should outlaw that, which they tried to do. And then, Berk -Bernet, they reached out to Teddy Roosevelt and had him come out and he hunted wolves on the, on the Comanche Reservation and then down at the Four Sixes as well.

1:57:26and they convinced him, they got a two -year stay before they finally outlawed it. Wow. But in that time, Quantan needed a house because he had so many people coming to dignitaries and governors and Teddy, and no one would obviously give him a loan. So a good night and Bernad gave Quantan the money to build the starhouse where he lived and house people. In his bedroom, they called the starhouse because he painted the ceiling with stars. and he would sleep on the floor, not in the bed, and stare up at the ceiling on his stars on the ceiling. Wow. Well, I think until people have actually spent a night camping looking up at the stars where there's no light pollution at all, they don't understand it.

1:58:11They don't know the appeal. It's an amazing experience. It's like one of the coolest things you could ever see in your life, and you're denied it. You're denied it because of advanced technology that allows us to light the streets. We let the streets, but we cut off the majesty of the heavens, because it humbles you in a way, and it grounds you in a way that's soothing. And I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people, this is a lot of reasons why people have anxiety, but I definitely think that a factor is we're disconnected from the universe. We're disconnected from all the things that our ancestors saw.

1:58:48When they would go to bed at night, and they would look up, they'd be like, like, wow, like before you went to bed, what you saw was wow. Yeah. Like look at that. Well, think about, you've been to New York. Yeah. I lived there for, I don't know, six months. And in that time, one day it hit me that I hadn't seen a star and my feet hadn't touched anything but concrete for six months. And I thought I can't, I can't live like this. That's not good for you. But there's people who have lived their entire lives like that. Oh yeah, my friend Aari loves it. Who loves living like that. I mean, he goes to other places too.

1:59:28A lot. He travels a lot. Maybe those people that lifelong New Yorkers that they have to record the sound of New York so that when they go somewhere to sleep, they can play that shit. Madgirens and helicopter. Camping with a guy who does that. You fucking dick. Yeah. There's something about the stars that is to me. It's also like the ocean and the mountains and the daytime and the daytime the oceans and the mountains offer a similar thing Like when you see the mountains when you're it's one thing to see photos of the mountains But when you're in their presence they look beautiful in photos But they don't you don't feel them when you're driving through a mountain range and you see like snow cat peaks and these beautiful meadows of grass and big trees.

2:00:10It's like It's like the most amazing art that you could ever experience but it's nature. And I think nature has a way of getting us attracted to places that are fertile and places that would hold life. And so when you see the mountains and you see these trees and valleys and a lake and like this is very fertile, these fertile places are beautiful to us. Just like fertile people are beautiful to us. You know, see women with large breasts and narrow hips and big waist or a big butt and you're like, like, oh, narrow waist and big hips, you're like, oh, she could give birth. She's fertile. Like, this is what's attractive.

2:00:50Perfect symmetry. Oh, she has good genes. She's fertile. Oh, look at him. He's big and tall and handsome. He's fertile. There's like, there's something beautiful about that to us. It's just nature's way of attracting it to us. So when you're denied this thing that literally gives you a certain amount of energy, when you go through a beautiful place, there's something about it like, wow. Wow, it's like you're not just living life. You're living life in the presence of this greatness, this insane vision that you can see all around you. And I think it humbles people in a way, and it grounds people in a way.

2:01:25And I think the city does the exact opposite. I agree. Does the exact opposite? It gives you this weird energy. It's like, eh, eh, fuck you. Hey, touch it. It's an angry energy. It's a, it's a, you know, there's, there's herds and there's packs. Right. That herds of the prey animals, packs are the hunters. And the city feels full of herds. And the country feels full of packs. Yeah, that makes sense. People much more self -sufficient. One of the more impressive things that I found when I went to Alaska once, we were in Anchorage, we were doing shows out there. And I was like, these people feel different.

2:02:07They feel like more sturdy. I guess if you just live in a place that gets cold as fuck and it doesn't even, like it wasn't even dark out and it was like two o 'clock in the morning. It was still like light outside. Like this is a weird place to live. And these people are literally at the mercy of nature. And they're surrounded by grizzly bears and wolves and moose. And like everywhere you go, you can see a moose. You can see a moose. They show up on college campuses and stomp people. They're everywhere. It's like you're living in a totally different environment than the rest of the world. And because of that, the people, they're sturdier.

2:02:43They're more solid. Even when you talk to them, they've gone through more to get where they are right now. And you know what they have no interaction with? Almost none. Government. Right. You go to a small town in West Texas or a small town in rural Wyoming or anywhere. there. And you know, I split my time. We moved to Wyoming in 2013 before I moved back down to Texas. We still spend the summers up in our ranch there. But it's a town of 175. There's a, the driver's license office is open for an hour on Thursday. There are, there is no, there are no public services. There's, if you want to go to the Social Security Office to get a Social Security card or turn in some paper, you're driving 12 hours to Cheyenne.

2:03:34So the only interaction, and this is what people in the city don't understand, the only interaction that people in true rural areas have with the government is paying taxes and the military because they most of them join the military at some point. Those are their only two experiences with the federal government. Aside from the rules that the government tells them, they don't get any of the benefits that you may or may not get. There's towns in California, you go out into San Bernardino County, you go up somewhere around Visellia in that area, and all this money that they're going to spend on roads and shit and everything else, none of that is making it there.

2:04:10None of it. So their perception of government is, what are you going to make me do? How much money are you going to take for me? That's their experience with government. Right, they're not going to get anything out of it. Nothing. That's a wild thing to think. Yeah. They give into it, but what do they extract from it? Right. If they get to 65, they get an $1800 a month check that they've been paying. The worst investment in history, so security. The worst investment in your future you could possibly make. I'm going to give you whatever 8 % of my check or 12 % of my check. For my entire, from the day I turn 20 till I'm 65 and retired and then you're going to, you're going to shit out an $1800 check to me each month.

2:04:51Well fuck, I'm gonna do it that. Yeah, can I opt out of that? Oh, you a lot of opt out of social security? You can't. Seems like you should be. And if you could, it would collapse because the top earners are paying for the entire thing. And never getting in. Like there should be some sort of a social safety net for old folks, for sure, especially for impoverished people, for sure. But making people pay into it is where it gets quarrely. Especially if you're not going to get anything out of it. Like, okay, like, how's this being doled out? Well, at least, if you're going to collect that money, if you did the same thing, if you took the same money, and you put it into, and I'm not a big, I'm not a big 401k IRA guy, but if you did, and you took that same money and invested in just the major your indexes, you know, you would take that money and multiply it 10 to 20fold.

2:05:51You'd be a millionaire. I mean, fucking millionaire. And I don't know why the government doesn't at least, well, they probably do invest it. They just don't give you any of the investment. Yeah, I don't know who knows what the fuck they do. I don't understand the my number one problem has always been with when people say, you know, that we need the rich need to pay more to access. I'm like, sure, where's it going? Where's it going? Do you know where What's going on? Do you know if the people that are taking that money in are competent? Do you know how it's being distributed? Do you have any idea where that money's going?

2:06:20You're just going to trust these people that are so dumb that they work for the government? We'll remember that's the $1 ,300 toilet seats. Yeah, there's no the government's the most inefficient. They don't manage our money well because it's not their money. Yeah, they don't have to. Yeah, like whenever you have a situation where you're outside of competition, which the government essentially is They're they run the show like if you if you had some sort of a business and Your business was really inefficient and always Fuck things up and really had terrible strategies and can never be audited because your your books were always fucked up by like millions is missing every year There's no way you would survive.

2:07:06There's no way you would survive. No, you'd be out of business. Because someone better would come along, they'd do a better job, and that's what competition is all about. But as soon as you say, you're the ones who get to do this, and then everybody has to pay you, no matter what, no matter what, no matter if you do a good job or a bad job, you don't have options like, hey, this one doesn't seem to be working so well, so there's a private firm that's gonna take over this service. You can opt into that as well. And these people are much more efficient, and these are some people that actually run businesses and they understand businesses and they're going to be a publicly traded company.

2:07:37So they're going to be responsible to the shareholders and they're going to make some fucking money and they're going to do it right. Well, you know, Texas, I mean, this state makes money. There's no deficit here and hasn't been for Bakkuno so long. They're trying to figure out what to do with all their surplus over here. That's interesting. Is it because of oil? A lot of it. Yeah. What is the percentage from oil? I don't know. But a lot of You know they're they're charging something you know, California has is much oil is anybody they just won't extract it Well, California is so silly It's such a silly but they they have the highest deficit they've ever had California's deficit.

2:08:18What is the California deficit now? It's like 24 billion. I think it's a lot more than that I think it's more than that. I think it's something kooky. I Think it was like they just announced it was the highest ever deficit it. Well, they're running people out of the state. I have more friends that have moved here in the past five years. I don't know an act. None of the act. Think about this. 32. 32 billion dollars. That's so crazy. 32 billion dollars for a state. For a state. That's not the country. That's a state. One state. 32 billion dollars deficit. That's so kooky, man. Who? Comptroller, reporter that legislators will have record.

2:08:58Is this Texas records surplus of 32 billion. Oh, why don't we just give it to California? Just give it there everybody moves there. Anyway, just give it to California. Yeah, they would fuck that up next year would be more. The thing the thing that I think you know there's this debate about climate change which by the way climate's always changing. It's always changing before we showed up. Yeah. We definitely have an impact. No, you can't have eight billion people on a planet, 7 billion now, 8 billion by the time this fucking podcast is over. And not have an effect. We're going to have an effect anyway.

2:09:34But they found a way to make it accusatory. Everybody was, no one knew that this was bad. We built an entire, not just America, the world, built an entire social structure, economy on petroleum products, starting in the 1880s. And you can't just shut that off. you can, but the collapse, the amount of death that would happen, starvation, economic collapse. So it's perfectly fine to go, look, we bet on a horse that has some real complications. We need to do one or two things, or two things. We need to figure out how to access cleaner energy, and we need to figure out if there's a way to make this fuel source that we've based everything on.

2:10:18I mean, look, let's look at all this shit on your table made out of oil. First and foremost, this thing. We're talking through, yeah. Everything, headphones were way. The headphones, the souls of my shoes. Yeah, every time. The socks I'm wearing, everything. You can't shut that off. You've got it, you can wean yourself off of it, you can figure out how to make it cleaner. We're more likely to run out of oil before we find its pure replacement to be perfectly honest. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to come up with a cleaner source. But we're probably more likely to put energy toward how do we refine it cleaner?

2:10:55How can we utilize it cleaner while we're trying to figure out what this other thing is? Yeah, that's a good solution. The bad solution is decide that you can't talk about any of the things that you've just said and that you have to toe the line because climate change is caused by humans and climate change is all bad and we have to go electric and you just, you have this very surface view of what the complex problem in front of everybody is and then it becomes a thing and it could be kind of a thing just like 9 -11 became a thing. So after that thing like we got attacked, now we can do action and then everybody agrees.

2:11:33That action is important. We need to, like, even as ridiculous as going Iraq, like why are we going over there? That's also something that will happen with climate change. If you have a thing where everybody tells you you have to comply, this is necessary, we're all going to die. And meanwhile, every one of their predictions has always been wrong. I mean, if you go back to the Al Gore's, a killer of convenience. You can be in a true... ...it would be no snow by 2006 or something like that. All wrong. No one guesses it right. But that aside, the problem is you're putting in new control. You're putting in a new mandate, a new narrative.

2:12:08This narrative is you have to do this because if we don't, we're all gonna die. Okay, so everybody has to get on board. And where our patience is wearing thin and everybody has to get on board. Why are you driving an internal combustion engine? Why are you still, okay, but also people are making money in this conversion. You have to understand there's businesses that are set up that are being positively affected by this conversion. They're gonna make a fuck load of money. And those are the ones that are gonna influence people to pass legislation that mandates things and make sure that we have only electric cars by 2035.

2:12:40But how are we going to propel those electric cars? Well, how about where you're getting all the fucking conflict minerals? The craziest thing about electric cars and electric everything is cobalt mining. And lithium, it's all in China. It's not just in China, it's in the Congo and they're using slaves to pull it out of the Well, where you start digging into the Congo, you start getting into some pretty precious resources there in Varunga and that area. I mean, that is a world heritage site. It creates like an absurd amount of our oxygen. I mean, it's an extremely important region that is, unfortunately, extremely mineral rich.

2:13:16Yeah. And the story of how they get the minerals out, this guy said, Darth Cara came on the podcast and he was a journalist that was got embedded in these cobalt mines and got these footage, this fucking insane footage of a sense slave labor essentially. So people have dirt floors, they have no money, they have no food, they have no options. They're carrying their babies on their back while they're mining cobalt. So they're getting all this cobalt dust everywhere. So they're all getting poised and they're all of a host of fucking diseases that are coming out from this toxic fuse, they're shit, they're chipping out of the ground.

2:13:53And that's what powers all of our electric devices. That's a part of it. But the other big problem that no one wants to talk about. And I think that the debate needs to be approached from the standpoint of, we've got one side that says, go be proof that the world's going to end. I don't need to show your proof. I said it. Right. Do this bullshit. Okay, let's just say that we took a corner of Utah and we just sold our panel that fucker and we made enough electricity for the entire nation. Guess what we can't do? Get it anywhere because the grid we do not have the pipeline of the grid. California's maxed out.

2:14:31They can't bring anymore. They've got to run, they've got to run pipeline, they've got to run wires. They're maxed out. They can't get enough power to the cities as it is. They're doing fucking rolling blackouts. They're telling people to not charge their electric vehicles in the summer. They said that like two weeks after they made the mandate for 235. Yeah. So maybe figure out how you're going to get the electricity to the cities. Yeah. And I'm a big supporter of fuck, especially there. Throw solar panels on top of everything. Yeah. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? It's free power. Yeah. Good.

2:15:04It's free power and it does work. You definitely, you can power your house with solar if you're based on your yard and you've sun at especially in LA where it's sunny all the time. Yeah. It's inexcusable to not do it. Every new house should have them. Yeah, but the problem is it's just, boy, you're dealing with so many people. That's the problem. Like, if you wanted to come into California right now and you wanted to manage it correctly and you wanted to fix all the wrongs and you wanted to clean up the streets and stop all the crime, like, you couldn't even do it. You couldn't even do it. There's too many people that are against you.

2:15:39There's too many people that no matter how badly they fail doing it in a certain direction. They're gonna keep going in that direction. They're gonna double down. Yeah, and they're gonna try, you know, and now there's so many people leaving California. They're trying to come up with this new Tax where if you leave California for the next 10 years. Yeah, you still have to somehow pay. Isn't that nuts? It's just it's nonsense. You can't do it. No, it's not legal, but also you fucking criminals like you suck and you know you suck So when people are leaving, you're like, well, we still want money.

2:16:13No, we're leaving because you suck. Like, that's what states are about. You get to move to a new state, and this state's got different laws. I like this one better. Bye. That's it. We don't have an agreement where I'm, we're not paying Alamonia. I wasn't married to you, bitch. Yeah, I gotta go. Yeah, see you later. Gotta go see Bye. Yeah. Yeah. Figure it out. I get the random California letter. Like, are you sure you don't know us any money? Yeah. They're in 10 fucking years. have a bit there and five. I mean, when you have a 34 or 32 billion dollars deficit, you cast it out there. So if you catch it, you got a fucking send dudes out like, let's go.

2:16:48But now they're talking about inquiry, you know, here's here's one of the things that I've always found interesting because everyone knows this and no one says it when they talk about the top 1 % of the 1 % that they don't pay income tax, you know, the average, The guy that makes 80 ,000, 100 ,000 years is paying higher percentage than those guys. Well, yes, because you know what billionaires don't get? They don't get a paycheck. They don't get a W2. All those leaders of the, all the head of this bank or that bank, they're getting a dollar. That's their salary. And they're getting stocks. And until they sell the stock, we don't know what the stocks work.

2:17:26Everyone talks about Elon Musk is worth 140, however many billions. No, he's not. If he's tried to sell all his stocks today and get that he would collapse all his companies collapse them You can't do it same with Beetzos and with any of those guys. So it's paper wealth Are they extremely wealthy? Sure, where do they get their money from? Well, they sell a million shares here. They sell a million there. Maybe they take a line of credit out off of their shares I don't know but they don't get a paycheck right exactly and you can't tax an unrealized gain because we don't know what it's worth It's a did they find a loop pull of course they did their billionaires Yeah, they're smart guys.

2:18:01They're not paying their share. But if you look at the, that's the narrative in New York City, but you've ever seen the New York City tax breakdown? How much of the taxes paid by wealthy people? I'm sure it's 60 %, 65%. It's an enormous percent of a small percentage of the population is paying an enormous percent of the taxes. Well, it's still chaos. Let's just say Jeff Pizzo's worth, let's just say he's worth a hundred billion. And if he gets his effective tax rate down to 10%, he's paying $10 billion.

2:18:34So how many people making $100 ,000? On the same thing, they're paying $10 ,000 on their 100 ,000. I'm no mathematician, but how many 10 ,000 times what equals 10 billion? 100 ,000 million. Is it a 10 ,000 times a million? Something like that. Yeah, or a hundred million. What is that? I mean, 10 ,000 times, it'd be 10 ,000 times a million. 10 ,000 and 100 millions. Yeah. Be a billion. Okay. 10 times a hundred million. All right. That's a lot of money, kids. So it takes a hundred million people to make the same amount of taxes. Yeah. And also, if their stock drops, like if they pay that much in stock, and when the stock drops the next year, like, what are you gonna do that?

2:19:18Now they have to pay less, but now they haven't even left. Yeah, but they can't, they can't even sell it all. He couldn't sell beets us could not sell right 20 % of his of his holdings without dramatically negatively effect in this dog price right so if he sold the I don't know what it What it's trading at but let's say it's trading it. Let's keep it round numbers $100 Okay, if he sold his first million shares at a hundred he's selling his next at 90 He's selling his next at 80 and then there's a then it's on fucking MSNBC and now it's worth 30 Yeah and then SEC calls and goes, can I stop trading something's happening?

2:19:52Yeah, I'm trying to sell my shit. So it's mythical numbers. It is weird. It's weird when you think about it that way. Yeah. So that's why they're not paying taxes on all that money kids. Because there's not money yet. Yeah. Yeah, people don't like to hear that. It's the truth. They like to hear that the problem is with the wealthy people aren't paying enough. They don't wanna hear it's incompetent bureaucrats. you have a fucking gigantic machine that is very inefficient. That's right in this country that does not want to ever give up that position. And they want your money. They want a percentage of your money.

2:20:28If you don't give it to them, they're gonna come after you like gangsters, they're gonna lock you and put you in a cage. And if you owe the money, it's not good enough to pay that money back. Now you have to be punished because you owed that money. It's the only kind of debt that you really get like fucking for sure locked up in a cage for. Yeah, and I look I spent way more of my life being broke than having money and I do get a paycheck and Uncle Sam takes a massive chunk of it. They take a chunk. They take a chunk It's interesting. It's a lot of money, but I wouldn't mind if I thought they were doing a great job I wouldn't hear I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind if the one machine they did Just one thing worked.

2:21:10Yeah, just one let one of them work that one of these programs work Yeah, but this is a narrative that kids get when they're in college and they get introduced to Marxism The narrative is that you know just hasn't been done correctly and that in an equal and just society You wouldn't have such disparity of income and I understand that this capitalism thing that we're running is not perfect It's not perfect, but it's the best system that we've ever seen and The thing about what everyone's saying when it comes to equality of income You need to take into consideration equality of effort, equality of focus.

2:21:48Sure there's people that have become wealthy doing shady things and ripping people off and finding legal loopholes to extract money for sure. No if -hands or butts about it. but also people have put in insane amounts of work and focus and dedication to whatever the fuck it is and become way better at it than other people and gotten very successful too. And their businesses have blown up and now they sell you know, X amount of units at Walmart and this and that but what the fuck did that guy have to do to do that? And are you willing to do that? You probably aren't. So there's a competition going on.

2:22:27And that guy's way ahead in the regular competition, not the stealing competition, not the taking advantage, people, he's way ahead. And that guy has been an insane worker for 30 years. So if you come along and say that guy needs to pay his share, and this is the reason why the world's all fucked, well no, you have a juvenile perspective. The part of the reason why the world's all fucked is that there are people out there that only deal in numbers. I mean, it is throwing numbers around and betting on this, and there's a bet on that and they're all doing coke and they're fucking going crazy and flying around in jets and everybody wants the newest watch.

2:23:02That, those people are real too. For sure. But there's also a lot of people that are doing the same thing you're trying to do. They just did it better and they did it for longer and now they're 70 and they're worth a billion dollars or whatever the fuck they're worth. And he's not the evil of the world. That's just called success. Yeah. Now there are definitely people that are manipulating the system. 100%. And if we if we decided to become a communist party tomorrow, those same thieves will be the leaders of the communist party Yeah, they will find their way. Uh -huh. Oh, there'll be just as fucking rich 100 % 100 % but the guy that goes and Takes the idea and builds the business and yeah If you have communism you're not gonna get rid of psychopaths You're not gonna get rid of sociopaths or just get integrated to the opportunist They're just gonna integrate into that system.

2:23:55I mean how much does that drive us nuts about politicians if we think that a politician's full of shit Like oh, you're fucking bullshitting you're bullshitting to get to that spot and then when you get to that spot You're gonna benefit from it. So you're just playing the world you're playing us off that drives everybody nuts And it should because that's the problem the problem is not a system that's in place the problem is who exploits the system who Fucking wants to be president. Oh god. Who wants that job? I mean, you know, one of the things you said to me that I really liked when we were on the phone, you were like, I'm trying to be less famous.

2:24:28Like, I don't want to do your show to get famous. Yeah. This is the last fucking thing I want. Like, good. That's a healthy way to look at it. So you only reason to want the job because it is so unpleasant. It's so unpleasant. It is either A, for the most part, you crave power that much. Yeah. Or B, you crave fame that much. Yeah, you'd be the most famous, most powerful person in the planet. Essentially, if you're the president of the United States. Because there's some really, really smart, good, thoughtful people that care a lot about the country on both sides of the aisle. Yeah. And none of them are running for these offices.

2:25:08They don't want to wade through that shit to get to that spot. That's the oddest thing about Trump is that he just fucking like water off a duck's back. He just wades through that shit and that's what I think drives people the most crazy It's part of what they call Trump derangement syndrome is not just outrage about what he has said or what he has done That's infuriated people. It's his ability to fucking brush it off like it's nothing. It's not hitting him It's not hurting him they want to hurt him So then you're seeing these lawsuits now now you're seeing you know these these crimes that he's being accused of.

2:25:50Now you're seeing all this shit that's going down, like Rudy Giuliani just gets hit with a $149 million lawsuit with these two ladies. He has to declare bankruptcy. This is what you're seeing. All of this stuff that's happening, and they're just feverishly trying, like Colorado removed him from the ballot. Now he has to appeal that. Colorado removed him from the ballot because they said he was an insurrectionist. Just wild. Wild that you get to make that decision, because if somebody else comes along and that president is that, there goes the other way now. Here's the interesting thing about that.

2:26:27And he has not been convicted of that. No. So you have a court of law. This is what's dangerous. And everyone has to forget their blind hatred of Trump. Right. Yeah, forget it. Just look at the structure of our society. Put the widget in there. In the cert x is the person. Right. Right. X has not been convicted of a crime. A Supreme Court looks at evidence that was not presented. They got it from wherever they got it from with no defense and makes a decision. That's dangerous shit. And it may not feel dangerous to people right now who think at any cost, keep Trump from being present again. But what happens when that same methodology is used against someone that you do sport?

2:27:17Well, you know once you open Pandora's box and the rule of law is m - is malleable. Exactly. That's what P - That's what I say. I'm talking about how is this how is the the action of today and affect the the world that that my son's trying to raise a child in? Yes, that's what's terrifying to me is there's so much irrational emotional behavior around our government, around our government. And also, that's - You can get on the view and say whatever wacky shit you want to say, but when we're talking about courts of law, like everyone needs to, our government was built. You've got an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch, and it was built to operate very slowly.

2:27:55It was built to be impervious of the emotion. That's the whole reason we're a republic, and not a democracy, because the founding fathers said, You know what? People get real emotional. If they can just vote on anything and you could look at California as an example because it only takes like 20 ,000 signatures to get something on a ballot, which is how they've passed some feel good emotional laws that have actually had some real adverse effects on that state. Yeah. And that's the whole reason we're a representative government. And when we can just start arbitrarily changing the rule of law and the nature of the courts, that will be used against us as a people.

2:28:37It will be used against us. It certainly will be. And that's what's so disturbing about today's short -sightedness. And that's what's scary about a person like Trump. What's scary is not him. It's the reaction to him. It's the fact that he is able to brush these things off. They keep coming after him with all these different things. And none of them have really taken him out yet. And so they're just curious about it. They're so angry. And that makes them more likely to use that defense. like we got to stop Hitler. So the first debate in 2016 or 15 or whatever it was was on CNN. And they put Trump, who at the time is, you know, he's on the apprentice.

2:29:16He's got his show. And they put him front and center. There's two or three governors up there. There's a senator up there. There's all these other, there's Rubio's up there. their jet bushes up there from Florida. I'm not saying that they're, I'm just saying that we have season politicians and CNN put him front and center and said, all right, wait for these firecrackers to go off. This is going to be great. This is going to be great. And the Republican party is freaking out. Whoa, what's going on here? And there was even debate if they were going to ratify him as the nominee at that point. And they were the media was sitting back on the ratings or through the roof.

2:29:57This is great and I think we're kind of this is gonna work out great for Hillary and All of a sudden he gets elected and and the media was complicit in that and I think one of the things that Pisses them off more than anything is that they put him there. Yeah, they put it right. That's part of it But it's also he's such an easy opponent to rally people against if you're on the that other side. And when people are very ideologically based and you can connect one person to all the things that you hate, whether he's xenophobic, he's racist, he's this, he's that, he's going to stop, he's ignorant to climate change.

2:30:39This is a problem. It's a threat to our democracy. He said he'd be a dictator for a day. All these different narratives that get spread out. And then people act on that emotion. They're just very easy to manipulate when you have a guy that is boisterous, has said ridiculous things and does talk the way he talks. It's just easy if he's the opponent to get people rallied up and come up with these really irrational things like what we're talking about, like removing him from the ballot. These are crazy things like you can't do unless a guy is actually guilty and proven of it. They have to be convicted of this.

2:31:14And what if they go to appeal? What happens then? That takes years. Like, there's a decent chance that the fever to get him will be the thing that gets him reelected. I think so. I think it's sort of along the same lines as what happened with CNN during the first election. They thought that they were going to highlight how ridiculous he is and it was going to crush him and then Hillary was going to come along as this very competent, seasoned politicians, secretariat of state, shooing, first woman president, everybody's excited and people didn't buy it. They didn't buy it and now they're terrified that's going to happen again because Biden is way more vulnerable than Hillary.

2:31:54Hillary was at least a seasoned politician, the wife of one of our most famous politicians. Very articulate. Very articulate. Lawyer, you know, knew how to handle herself. And Biden is barely there. Like he can't debate Trump. It's not even possible anymore. It can't happen anymore. We all know it can't happen. It barely happened in 2020. But the idea of that happening again in 2024, no one believes that. No one believes that. We're in a spot. We're in a crazy spot. And then Bobby Kennedy drops out of the Democrats. And now he's an independent and you're like, okay, that's not ideal. The idea was they primary him and Kennedy wins, but then there's all this, there's different people that don't want that primary to take place.

2:32:47And so he makes this decision to become independent. I think they were going to try to block him from primaries in some way. One of the things that's, and it's been trending this way since the 80s, you know, the primary system is where, is where this, the wheels really start to fall off because the primaries are controlled by the extremes of the base. Right. And they - The registered voters of the Democratic and Republican Party. And the more vitriolic it gets, the more it pushes both sides further. Yeah. And so the further we go to the extreme, that is going to be the choice. I mean, I really think Bobby Kennedy could have won.

2:33:28I think if he won in the primary and then it's him against Trump, I think that's the there's a lot of people that would have voted for Bobby Kennedy. I don't know if be enough to make him elected, but I think that would be a viable candidate. I don't know if they did. I've seen him speak some. I think I saw him on your podcast. And he was like an articulate guy. I don't know enough about him. Well, he was an environmental lawyer forever. I mean, he's one of the main reasons why the Hudson River got cleaned up. Holding corporations accountable for environmental pollution. That was what he did for the longest part before all this vaccine stuff.

2:34:04That was his big thing. That was his big quest. And just incredibly knowledgeable guy. Like when you're talking to him. I mean, not perfect. He's a human being. But like a viable candidate. Like a guy who would, I think, make a great leader. But they didn't want him. They don't, that's, I felt the same way when Tulsi Gabbard was running. I'm like, OK, you got everything you want here. You got a brilliant woman who's a veteran was deployed overseas twice in medical units, like put together people that got blown up. Congresswoman for eight years, articulate from Hawaii woman of color, you got everything, you got everything you want there, but you don't want her.

2:34:45Why? Because you can't control her, because she's independent, and she has like these rock solid moral values, and she's not playing ball. She's not playing ball, you don't like it. And so this best case scenario that you had that you've always said you've been looking for, or now you're ignoring that one. Well, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're playing a weird game. You're controlling what the people get to choose on. You're not just controlling once you get into office. You're controlling what the people get to choose who gets into office. And that's what fuels conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and the people that are secretly controlling the straf.

2:35:22You don't, you wonder why all those shows are so popular and all those Reddit conspiracy threads are so popular. There's no popular because it's obvious people are conspiring. We're not fucking stupid. We're not stupid Like that that's the whole point of the Bernie Sanders thing Bernie Sanders the Democratic party was trying to keep him from fucking ruining the primaries with hit with Hillary Yeah, and they conspired They they work together to keep their guy out because they didn't think he was gonna play ball and he probably wouldn't know no It's a weird thing that people find these these justifications and rationalizations for doing something that's completely opposite of the structure that was put in place by the founding fathers to prevent tyranny.

2:36:06They put this stuff in place. They set up in a very specific way that there was all these checks and balances so it was insanely difficult for someone to become a tyrant. Yeah. But we have the landscape now that's being laid out that's ripe for one. Well, that's what makes it so dangerous about social media today, and that's what makes it so dangerous about having a guy like Trump Who is either loved or hated? That's it. It's either one or the other. Yeah, there's not a lot in between. There's not a lot of people that are like, Mmm, he's all right. Just like you either love that guy or you hate that guy and as an enemy as like a force that you could root against.

2:36:48You know, that's it's a natural inclination for I look I went to a fucking high school football game the other day and it was Houston playing against Austin Great game incredible how good these guys are in high school Incredible game incredible game Texas football is a fucking religion it was amazing, but my point is When you go to this thing everybody is Angry at the people from Houston and the people from Houston are angry at the people from Austin They're like, Bullshit, Bull, that fucking call sucks. This ref sucks. These are your fucking state. This is your fellow people. They live two hours away.

2:37:29You could drive for two hours. You can go visit them. But the fuck, we're so tribal. That we're tribal even inside our state with fucking kids playing football. And it's, and I think a lot of it's this fucking, sorry, 100%. Yeah. It gives equal voice to someone who you would never care. phones and social media. That's why I don't do it. That's why I'm not on that shit. Good for you. Yeah, I wonder if I would do it if I wasn't, if I didn't use it for my business, I'm still fine. I find value in it. There's definitely some value in being exposed to interesting things. So I'm exposed to a lot of interesting things, but you got to be real careful with that trickle.

2:38:10You got to be real careful about how much it turned that spigot on, because it's really, it could really fucking flood your house. There's a lot of people living in the garage apartment over Mama's house that have nothing to do. Yeah. But sit here and fucking troll. And it, and troll and just even just waste your time scrolling through things. Forget about the negative aspects of it, people doing negative things. But just wasting your fucking time. You gotta be careful. Cause you, you, you, you could like look at girls doing squats for like four hours. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And you go, where did the time go?

2:38:44I didn't get anything done. And it's also dividing us. And it's creating these bubbles, these echo chambers where people get in and I find them all the time online. I'll find someone saying something ridiculous. Like there was some post where this lady in Canada, she just did a press conference, like a couple days ago, where she's doing this press conference, telling everybody to get vaccinated and wearing a mask at a press conference. And then my Canada has a fucking time machine. They just brought us back to 2020 like this lady was on to recommending for kids I'm not they get vaccinated with a mask on You know what's fascinating to me We this whole This whole vaccine thing is one of the most fascinating things I've ever sat back and witnessed Yeah, that again comes back to that rule law and you know right a privacy Mm -hmm right of you know independent decisions about your body all these things that are and yet But we start, if you don't get vaccinated, people are getting kicked out.

2:39:46They were losing their jobs. And then it turns out, oh, whoops, it doesn't prevent you from getting it. It doesn't prevent you from transmitting it. And it might have a host of side effects. Whoops. And then it's just kind of like went away. And every now and then you'll see a commercial catcher booster, but all the, all the, you're losing your job, you're no, you know, they were vilifying people. They're vilifying people. And in Canada at least they're trying to bring it back. I just can't, watching that video was like bananas. You see this lady giving a phone. She's wearing a mask. And there's no one near her.

2:40:25She's in front of a podium. She's wearing a mask. I was saying it earlier. I see people driving by themselves. Yeah, wearing a mask. Yeah, it's an anxiety thing. It's a mental illness thing as well. It's also a delusional thing because it doesn't if you look at it scientifically it doesn't work It's just doesn't work, you know like right those cloth mass if people are those like little surgical mass Those don't do jacks. Well, they told they told us they didn't work for the first six weeks or eight weeks of the deal Yeah, Fauci stood up there and said hey, it doesn't work in fact. You're more likely Yeah, to get it if you wear a mask because you don't know how to wear a mask Which kind of sounded like bullshit to me, but that's what he said um And then he's like I can't hurt and then about a month later later you have to.

2:41:09Yeah. Where's the scientific data for any of this? I don't know what happened there. Maybe Nancy Pelosi had some mass stock. Maybe they all did. I mean, I get why you would think it would work. But as soon as you know that it doesn't work, we should move to science then. Because if you're saying trust the science, okay, well the science seems to indicate that it doesn't work. So maybe we thought it worked. We did some studies. We found out not only does it not work, but there's also problems that come from wearing dirty masks. There's also a thing where you're not supposed to, If you have those like really tight ones like this and 95s whatever you're not supposed to wear them for long periods of time They're not designed for whether cutting your oxygen.

2:41:45Yeah, they're designed for short periods of time They're also increasing the amount of karma dioxide. Yeah, it's not good And it's also your bacteria spraying on the mask. It's growing inside the mask You're breathing that in who knows what the fuck's going on there? It was science was conveniently used again. We politicized a a pandemic. Right. And they haven't figured out how to un, that genie's not fitting back in the bottle. It was also one of the rare times where people were told not to do your own research. Yeah. Don't do your own research. Trust the science. Like that was a narrative. Like trust who?

2:42:22You brought to you by Pfizer on FFN CNN? This is crazy. I can't believe this is even real. This is so, it's so or well -in. It's so propagated. If it was in a film, a dystopian film about the future, You'd be like, how do they get that stupid? That seems weird that they would be that dumb. That it's brought to you by Pfizer. Don't do your own research. Do your own research. What are you a conspiracy theorist? Are you an anti -vaxxer? You're the reason why people are dying. Like you'd be like, this movie's nuts. But that's exactly what it was. The fucking White House put out a press report that said that for the vaccinated, don't worry, you've done your part.

2:43:03But for the unvaccinated you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death This is when when it was mild This is what the mild strain that was killing probably less people in the flu. What are you talking about? It It was the it's the craziest thing I've ever seen. It's nuts It's nuts and now we're finding out that the government was paying Social media sites and paying media to go after anti -vaxxers You know, they're paying them. The thing that I think is the greatest casualty of the past really, I'm going to say six to eight years, but with 2020, with the vaccine, with everything you go back to.

2:43:51And look, again, I'm not a, I'm not a saying I'm a supporter, but I mean, when you sit here and say, this is a hoax, that's a hoax, oh, turns out it's not a hoax. This is not true. This was that. No, turns out that is true. Yeah, this is misinformation. Yeah, yeah, and then we just try and wash it under the rug and we just Don't look over here. Look over here. Don't don't look at the fucking thousands of homeless in San Francisco that are all suddenly gone the day before the Whatever they call the prime minister of China premier whatever. Yeah, the Xi Jinping thing. Yeah, streets are spotless I was just looking through my phone to try to find that video Jamie See if you can find out of that lady announcing that people should be boosted God damn it, I should have saved it.

2:44:31But maybe it's end -wovenness on Twitter. Maybe he had it. It's one of those accounts that I follow. The great casualty of this is going to be mainstream media. They're going to lose because as soon as you lose trust in a news source, it becomes not a news source. Unless it's telling you what you want to hear. So now, these major news publications that we all relied on for unbiased news or largely unbiased news are no longer that. And so all you can turn to is the one that at least you agree with. Right. They become activists. And so then yes, and so then you keep dividing us. And then as we come up with new pick the issue of the week that we now are confronted with, it wasn't an issue a week ago.

2:45:18Now we're divided over that. We just keep getting carved into smaller and smaller groups. Yeah. And that would definitely be in the favor of people who want to keep us divided. And going after each other so they can continue to tighten their grip on what we can and can't do. Have you ever looked, have you ever seen the green beret handbook has basically a pyramid of how to overthrow a country? Really? Yeah. I got a piss. Can we hold that thought? Yeah, yeah. Come back with the green beret pyramid. I want to hear that. All right, we're back. We're back. The green beret handbook on how to overthrow a country.

2:45:52So how's that work? Yeah, well, I'm going to get it wrong, but essentially it really begins with dividing of people and creating a lack of faith in the government and the more that you can if you can start to infiltrate institutions like institutions of education, if you can start to, if you can start to, chances are very high that our enemies, and we have them as the United States, we certainly have enemies that have a lot of money and a lot of technical power and time, and play the long game and have been injecting these things for 30, 40 years into our society. But if we could probably pull it up somewhere I bet he could find it.

2:46:37Well that's the Yuri Besman off thing. You've seen that video, right? On YouTube? Yuri Besman? Oh, you haven't. It's amazing. It's a guy in 1984 who's a defector from the KGB explaining the ideological subversion that they've imparted in these American institutions, how they've done that, exactly what you're talking about. How they started injecting Marxism and Leninism. He's talking about how many generations it takes before you destroy the morale of the country and all faith and democracy. And it's essentially what we're seeing now. But he was saying, it has already begun. This ideological subversion.

2:47:08And he lays it all out in 1984 in an interview. Yeah. You have to see it. Paul Harvey, you know who that is. Sure. So he did a thing, God back in the 60s or 70s. And he equated it to the devil. And maybe it is, or you could also say it's just that. But he did a radio piece on how to destroy America, the social fabric of it. And as though somebody just took America, the social fabric of America from the late 60s to today, and the timeline of the things that he said, it's pretty wicked, it's pretty powerful. I'm not shocked. I mean, if you think about all the things that we do to manipulate other countries, I'm not shocked that someone would do that and manipulate us, and that they would do it through education institutions, that's the way to do it.

2:47:57You get kids, and then you train them as they leave, and then they go into the workforce. They have these ideas, like burned into their heads, and that's probably what all this gender confusion should is, this giant uptick of it. It's literally probably engineered. And I think that's also what a lot of the climate stuff is. and a lot of the different things that people are fighting over, it's not just these big financial institutions that are invested in climate change and green energy and all these different things, but it's also other countries just fucking with us. I think it's a lot of the trolling that you're seeing online is fueled by other countries.

2:48:35I think a lot of the narratives that get pushed are fueled by other countries and I think that's what we would do if we were probably doing it too. I'm sure it's a sia up right? Yeah, I'm sure we're doing it too Yeah, I'm sure but I'm sure that's also one of the reasons why it would be nice to be able to lock down the internet We have to be able to stop that so we're gonna only have government approved internet like China has that's how China keeps us from Interfering with their lives and the only way that we know that we're gonna do the right thing over here But you know what China's really playing they're doing something nasty so we're not gonna let them in our internet anymore We're gonna shut our internet down and only make it for people in North America and everybody be like okay Gotta keep chained out.

2:49:15Yeah, slowly but surely if we let them they'll try to get more and more control and that gets fucking super sketchy. Super sketchy. Yep. So what do you find this green beret? I mean, not subscribe. I went down a pass and I don't think I'm gonna get there because what I would the green beret handbook that tells you how to overthrow government be available on the internet. The better not be. If you play a little of that Yuri Besbinoff, I know we played it many times, but you need to hear it because it's so wild to watch him say it. You watch him say it in 1984 and back then you pull up the Paul Harvey thing from whenever that was about the devil.

2:49:54Maybe let that pull that up because I haven't heard that and I've heard the Besbinoff thing. We played it only five times at least. It'll blow your mind. You hear this? It's not good, but it also gives us a chance to write the ship. It hasn't fucking hit the rocks yet. like we can still come out of this.

2:50:12Paul Harvey. If I were the devil, is this the thing? Yeah. Yeah. If I were the devil, if I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I have seized the Ripast apple on the tree, The. So I said about however necessary to take over the United States. I'd separate the churches first. I'd begin with a campaign of whispers with the wisdom of a serpent. I would whisper to you as I whispered to you. Do as you please. To the young I would whisper that the Bible is a myth.

2:50:52I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square and the old I would teach to pray after me, our father, which are in Washington. And then I'd get organized. I'd educate authors in how to make a lured literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I'd threaten TV with dirty or movies, and by subversa, I'd pedal narcotics to whom I could. I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I'd tranquilize the rest with pills. If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves until each and its turn was consumed and with promises of higher ratings I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.

2:51:45If I were the devil I would encourage schools to refine young intellects but neglect the discipline of motions just let those run wild. Until before you knew it you'd have to have drug -sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. Oh shit. Within a decade I'd have prisons overflowing. I'd have judges promoting pornography. Soon I could have picked God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress. And in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion, and deify science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money.

2:52:22If I were the devil, I'd make the symbol of Easter and egg and the symbol of Christmas, a bottle of... If I were the devil I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious, what would you bet? I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich. I would caution against extremes in hard work, in patriotism, in moral conduct. I would convince the young that marriage is old -fashioned, that swinging is more fun, that what you see on TV is the way to be. And thus I could undress you in public, and I could lure you into bed with diseases, for which there is no cure.

2:53:14In other words, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing.

2:53:21What year was that? 1965, but holy shit. 1965. That's amazing. 1965. Wow. April 3rd, 1965. Paul Harvey nailed it. Wow. So you can use devilism, euphemism for anything that you want. Yeah. But the result's the same. And we're seeing that. you know, I think they said somebody said all these things are bad work ethic all these things are racist. Yeah, toxic masculinity. Oh yeah, I've been accused of that. Congratulations. You're on the right side. That's a fascinating one. Yeah, defund the police. toxic masculinity. Yeah, that worked great. Yeah, they're all in the same sort of category of things.

2:54:17Like that seems silly. Seems silly to think that way. You need all of it. Indeed, masculinity and femininity. It's okay. Be whatever you are, but you fucking need it. And if you wanna tell those dudes at a playing football that they're toxic masculine, who, what else are you gonna get? Who's gonna play football than like super aggressive alpha males? What are you talking about? But why is that? It's not toxic. That's not toxic. No, it's just natural masculine behavior. Yeah. It's not toxic. What about toxic? It's all stupid. That term as applied. It's like... These are all terms that have been created.

2:54:55It's fascinating that language is being reinvented before our eyes. There's all these new words that are just meant to keep one person from disagreeing with another person's position. I love microaggressions. That's a great one. Just like little bitty up, that was a micro -aggression. Yeah, and you can call people out. I called them out on this micro -aggression. But I don't think I've ever been guilty. I don't think anyone's ever been curious about my, you know, if I'm upset at you, you're fucking know it. Yeah, that's how it should be. Yeah. Well, that's one of the things I really loved about that Ronald Reagan Walter Mundail thing.

2:55:33Like looking Walter Mundail laughing when Ronald Reagan got him with that. They had respect for each other. They completely disagreed, policy -wise. Yeah. But what changed? What changed in us then? So there's a, and I'm going to, this guy's a wizard on the computer, so he'll find it for me. There's a guy that wrote a book. I have not read it. I just read this passage. I think the New York Times Atlantic or somebody wrote about this. And he's either a political writer. And I can't remember his name. Book was written in the 90s. And he talked about the fundamental difference between liberalism and conservatism and the reason that it's destined to continue moving out to these extremes and that there can't ever be any compromise.

2:56:21And essentially it stated that the liberal point of view was that crime in all these social lils, it was a social construct. and that if you could find a way to level the playing field for everybody, the crime would be eliminated. All these issues would go away. Poverty would go away. All the social ills that we have would disappear if everyone had the same opportunities and the same stuff. The flip side of that is the conservative view, which is there's evil in the world, there's good in the world. we're going to try and manage the evil as best we can and create an opportunity for people to succeed or They can fuck up and best of luck One side seems naive one side seems extremely harsh, but those are the beliefs and that side can never Compromise with this side and vice versa because you're abandoning your own ideology.

2:57:19Yeah That's essentially it and You're also seeing now This is a weird one. I was watching this clip that I saw on YouTube of Tucker Carlson on Tim Poole's show talking about aliens. And he's talking about it from like a, like almost like a religious perspective. He's like, I think what they're essentially saying is that there's like, he was talking about good and evil. See if you could find the clip. He's talking about good and evil. And he's talking about it in relationship to UFOs and that they've always been here. So it's like, are you trying to say, like, what does he know? And can you say what you know?

2:58:03Like, why do you think this? And are you saying that like a lot of the talk of like angels and devils in the Bible and good and evil that it actually manifests itself in physical form and we don't know what it looks like because we haven't seen it but when we do see it we think it's a UFO. So we think it's from another planet but it's really just evil or really just good. So it's angels and devils. Is that what you're saying? Because that's what you're saying. Boy that's a that's a fucking freaky argument because that's one of the weirdest arguments about the UFO thing is that we are essentially containers of souls and that what this planet is for for these beings is they mine souls here and that they develop souls here and that all of our motivations for existing and all of our ego and all of our ambition is really just a way to carry that soul as a vessel.

2:59:03And that they then harvest? Well, I don't know. I don't understand what the argument is. That sounds like what should have been the sequel to Matrix instead of what was right or been a better version that that's how artificial Intelligence is created that that's how life is created much how like a bee creates a bee colony They could be hive inside the hive the queen lays the larva everyone knows how to do it and they all do it that way Maybe the soul being in this biological vehicle and given this intelligence and this desire to achieve and to pursue technological innovations and all these different things that human beings do allows them to get to the point where we're at right now where they create artificial intelligence and what these UAPs and UFOs that are appearing in greater numbers and being reported by all these fighter jet pilots, and I was saying maybe what they're doing is they're witnessing the farmers who are coming by to watch their creation give birth to this thing, which is them.

3:00:10Which would be AI. Which is an artificial, the artificial is the wrong word, a new form of life, a life that is not based in biology and breeding through sperm and cells and eggs, but instead completely technological and able to self -reproduce and able to create its own version of itself that's far superior to the one that initially created it and that it would constantly do that and that's what the universe is filled with that what we are. We're just this fucking caterpillar that's making a cocoon. We don't even know what we're doing and we're going to give birth to this butterfly and that's what the whole human race is about and that's the sinister aspect.

3:00:51That's what good and evil and all these different things playing off against each other is that we need this constant competition We're always searching for utopia searching for that meadow. We can retire in but it's like this strife in this struggle It's what makes us continue to push society further and further until this thing is born Listen to what Tucker says It's my personal belief based on fair amount of evidence that they're not aliens They've always been here And I do think it's virtual. That's my view. And again, it's not provable, but based on the evidence, I think. Absolutely. If the US government has in fact had contact, direct contact with these beings, whatever they are, I've already told you what I think they are, and is entered into some sort of agreement with them, which is the claim of informed people, I would say, whether they're right or wrong, I can't say can't do that.

3:01:43I mean, if that is true, I mean, it's a very, very, very heavy thing. A lot of people say it's for dimensional beings. I want to ask, are angels and demons, or how would you describe these beings? You know, I, these are, again, I'm getting into the realm of conjecture, so I just want to say that flat out. Entity? But one thing I know for a dead certain fact having seen it is that there is good and evil. We're being acted upon it all times, and I think every person can feel that it in themselves. I mean, there are moments when you are moved to do things that are much better than you actually are, and they're also more evil and destructive than you actually are.

3:02:19You are subject to forces from outside yourself. That is absolutely true. Now, we can argue about what they are. But every person in the room, if he's reflective, will tell you, yes, I know what you're talking about. And so, there are forces that are not human that do exist in a spiritual realm of some kind that we cannot see. And that when you think about it, sort of make you think we live in an infarming being right and that's just that is real. Okay. And there's that might be what's going on. Here, well, those are some patient freaking alien angels because they waited around, you know, 10 ,000 years from discovering a wheel and and domesticating the first plant to electricity.

3:03:06Well, if you have artificial intelligence, And if you have life form, that's a million years more advanced than us. It's non -biological at that point. You have all the time in the world. And if you're going to... And what is time at that? You start bending time. And one of the primary theories about how life got started on Earth is pan spermia, which is that amino acids and various building blocks of life come in in asteroids. They slam it to the Earth and that somehow or another over the course of millions and millions of years of chemical interactions, billions of years. You have life, single cell, complex life, and then that life advances to the point where it creates a new version of life.

3:03:44And if that is just how it works everywhere, we say, oh my god, that takes so much time. But does it? Because think about how much time it takes to make a fucking planet. Think about how much time it takes for all that matter to coalesce and to gel up into this fucking ball. And then for the temperature to stabilize, because it has a moon around it that's, you know, one quarter the size of the planet itself and everything is kind of stable and it gets the point of biological life can exist. And then it starts fucking making shit and make better and better and better and it's our arguing with shit about climate change and gender pronouns and all this stupid shit while it's the real thing it's doing is forcing you to get that motherfucker online.

3:04:22Get that new life form online. That's what you really do stupid. The thing that as always, and even Stephen Hawking talked about it, so you've got the big bank theory where you have essentially all this antimatter compressed upon itself until it explodes and creates a matter. And the whole in that argument is antimatter, there's no matter. There's nothing, and there was so much nothing that it compressed until there was something. And so the first thing that we base everything on defies the laws of physics like how can nothing Compress itself until it makes something You know we could be off 0 .002 percent On our theories of life and how this universe was formed and if that's wrong We don't have a fucking idea where we are what this is no we don't and And Terence McKenna once said it best that science asks of you one miracle.

3:05:24That's a big bang. It has one miracle. It really is kind of like a miracle. In the beginning, there was nothing. And then God created the earth in the skies. And essentially, what the Bible is trying to say, they're just doing it in a way. And they interesting, you know, the Bible got it right. They got the order right. Right. You know? I think it's based on an understanding that people had achieved because if you think about the Bible, right? And if all these people are correct about the original history of sophisticated civilization if the Randall Carlson's and the Graham Hancock's and the Robert Schox of the world and the John Anthony West of their correct and the timeline of like say the most sophisticated society that we are aware of which is Africa if those people that lived in Africa 30 ,000 40 ,000 years ago in Egypt if they created a society that was infinitely more sophisticated than anything that we had ever seen before.

3:06:21Like, how did they do that? Who did that? And what was that like? Like, what the fuck was that like? What was that world like back then? Maybe you've ever really stopped and tried to think in a mansion, what was that world like back then? I mean, well, how about that you have a similar world in Central and South America where they also had built things many thousands of years ago that still like how the fuck do you do that? Yeah. How'd you do that? Easter Island. Well, how did you all make those things? Yeah. How in the world and then move them? Well, I think if those things go down and then people have to rebuild, I think it takes a long time before people figure out what happened.

3:07:13I think it takes a long time. And I think that's where a lot of the confusion that you see in the Bible comes from. Like the God it made the earth in the sky and everything in like six days, right? Then on the six day, he rested. Okay, what are they actually saying? This is, you're getting things that are translated from a written, an oral history of a thousand years, and then they're writing it down in or a Mac, they're writing it down in ancient Hebrew, and you're getting it many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years later, long after. Deluted and well -carned. Well, kinds of, think about what people are willing to do today to the Constitution.

3:07:51Today, with all the information that we have about the dangers of this, think about what they're trying to do today. Now, imagine what you would do if you had the real knowledge of the birth of the solar system, of the development of human beings and the God energy of the universe. And you tried to translate it over an oral history because there's chaos because there's no more cities anymore. Everyone's dead. And you're just like hunting and gathering as cave people and you're trying to relay this origin story of mankind. And then it gets written down in parables and it gets written down in Latin and it gets translated over the years.

3:08:30And then people try, okay, then they sit down and they look at it many years later and they go, what the fuck were they trying to say? Like what were they trying to say? Because so much of what they're trying to say, if you're really paying attention, I could seem like it's kind of laid out like the origins of the universe. If in the beginning there was nothing, yeah, like they're talking about the Big Bang. If these scientists all agree, how do they know that? There was light, but it would be the Big Bang. Why wouldn't they assume back then that God was always around? Why would they assume that God had to make everything?

3:09:01Why would they assume that there was a beginning winning an inch because they have a beginning in an end. Is that rational? Why would they assume that? And why did everybody assume that? Maybe because they fucking knew. Maybe because at one point in time, whether it's 10 ,000 years ago, 20 ,000 years ago, they had figured a lot of this shit out. Well, someone figured something out for every through the pyramids and the way that they were built. Yeah. To be aligned so perfectly with a true North and just to be able to construct them. If those people were that smart, why wouldn't we imagine they had an understanding of the birth of the universe.

3:09:33Why wouldn't we imagine they would have this bizarre understanding of the way morality and good and evil play out with human beings? Maybe they were right. Maybe they were right, but it all just got fucked up over the thousands of years after asteroid impacts, thousands of years of the destruction of the advanced civilizations and the world going back into chaos and then slowly rebuilding. And you're rebuilding with these ancient texts that you find in clay pots in cumron and that you never see them when they translate like the Dead Sea Scrolls, they lay them out, they have to try to figure out which pieces go with which scroll and they do it based on DNA.

3:10:10This all this DNA is from this cow, so let's take this scroll from this cow skin and put it together and try to read what the fuck they said. It's incredible, but it makes sense. It makes sense if you buy into the idea that there's been a restart of civilization and And then you go back and say, okay, what is the history of the Bible? Like, how old is it? What's the oldest version? Like, what's the oldest version of the story? Who knows? Right, who knows? Right. What was the original, like you're playing a game of telegram, right, or telephone with over a thousand years. With whom it knows how many people.

3:10:44But if we've seen what the Egyptian people were able to build, what was that like? how sophisticated were they? And maybe what we're getting at in the Bible is just the longest game of telephone of a true story. It's just all kind of gumbled up in stories and God's testing you and all this thing about you know God telling this guy to kill his kid. It's just a little screwed up but it's showing you that there are evil forces at play and there are temptations that you must resist those in a story that you can understand. Exactly. But it's the hard evidence to intrude to it. Because what is a day to God?

3:11:29Yeah, what does that mean? Is that a billion years? Yeah, a hundred billion years? Who knows? Who knows? Yeah. Who knows? But it's presented in a way that you can digest it. Yes. And then our version of this simplified, uneducated, barbaric version that gets translated from people that are involved in sword fights. They're fucking, they're fighting each other with swords and hacking each other to death for thousands of years while they're telling the story, the crusades. All these different things that people did during that time, horrific things. And during that time, they're doing it many of them in defense of their God and defense of their religion.

3:12:06They're motivating people by these books. It's fascinating stuff. It's fascinating. But when you hear a guy like Tucker Carlson saying that he, like, what else do you know, bro? Say what you know? Like, what makes you say that? Because if that really is what it is, that would make sense to me why the government would keep that information from people. Because if we found out that people were essentially just a vessel of souls and that we are essentially designed to give birth to artificial intelligence and then that will be the end of us. And that's where they're not worried about nuclear war.

3:12:39That's why they're not worried about the environment. That's why they don't a fuck about anything. This is all coming to an end. We're there. Like we have it. You have it to the degree that people are already relying on it heavily. Yeah. Advertising agencies are relying on it to tell them how to cut a commercial, how present the logo needs to be in the commercial. I guess this is happening right now. This shit just appeared three years ago. Right. And now I think somewhere, maybe it's Brazil So that and I could be wrong, but somewhere AI just wrote its first law. They used AI to write a law. You can look at it.

3:13:17Where is that? That's scary. I don't know why I think it's Brazil or El Salvador somewhere. South or Central America? That's how it begins. I for one welcome president AI. I think they'll be wiser. They're going to do a great job and they're definitely not going to be anti -human at all. They're gonna see our flaws as our strengths. Brazilian city passed a law without water meters. Chat G -P -T wrote it. Wow. Wow, only after it had passed, they revealed that it was created by AI. But that seems like it was prompted. AI has to prompt it. The really scary thing is when AI doesn't prompt it and it just creates its own shit or when someone doesn't prompt the AI, rather.

3:14:01Remember how wild you thought Terminator was the first time you saw it? Yeah, we're just skipping toward it. Have you ever seen those memes? It's Sarah Connor looking at you while you make friends with chat GPT. No, I've never seen any memes in my life. I don't know. That's right. You're meme free. I have to start sending you some because I got some funny ones too. You want to text them. I'll text them to you. Don't worry. I got some fucking bangers. I'm in some text chains with some comedians. I got the best memes on earth. They all come my way. It's awesome. There's so many funny people out there that are creating memes.

3:14:33It's a specific type of humor that is really accelerated because it's totally anonymous Because sometimes people put watermarks on them But oftentimes the people put in the watermarks on them are not even the people that have created them I know that for a fact because people will put watermarks on my videos And it's not even me not my watermarks somebody else puts watermark on my video and puts it online and so that's There's a lot of them like that like a shitload of them and they'll take clips of this show and then they put their own watermark on it and put it up on YouTube or put it up wherever on TikTok and what happened to me.

3:15:05Yeah, happens all the time. So for sure they're doing that. But the memes are for the most part anonymous and they're hilarious. Like some of the funniest shit that I see on any given day is a meme that a friend of mine sends me. So it's like just regular people that are figuring out this new comedy art form It's pure because you don't monetize it. It's pure. You just get in scent to people in text messages and you're like, BAAA! And it's just, it's like the amount of people laughing at memes through it any given day. So you don't even know this. All right, I'm gonna have to hit you with some of these.

3:15:43No, send me one. Because some of these are fucking great. There's some bangers out there. Sarah Connor watching you all become President Chad G .B .D. How funny is that, right? Well, that's great. Yeah, there's a shitload of those, man. They're constantly making them. and I send them back and forth to my comedian friends all day long. Here's one. Thank God California passed band plastic straws. See? Funny, right? Yeah, that's what you get a lot of, man. Like all day long, I'm getting these fucking things. It's just a minute. Here's a good one. How vegans be looking at you while you're finally trying a bite of their fake macaroni and cheese.

3:16:22See? hilarious. Did you see what's this guy's name? You know that one, Jamie? That one's a bag. Pears Morgan? Yes. When Pears Morgan had the 8th hamburger in front of the vegan, did you see that? No, I didn't. Oh. Did they freak out? Oh. While they're wearing leather shoes. Here's another good one. Feminist when they hear the people being drafted for World War III.

3:16:48There's so funny. There's so many good ones like fuck climate change. I discovered cock All day long getting these I'm laughing all day You know, I'm very appreciative of all the people out there you mean warriors keep it up Making my day more fun and I have no idea who made any of those I'd give them all credit But they're hilarious. That's fucking I get them all day long man. I'm just constantly getting them. That's great Yeah, I'll send them all your way. That's great. I got a Oh shit load up. Yeah, send them. And I don't even know where they come from. Maybe AI's making them. Maybe Russia's making them.

3:17:22I don't think their Russians are that funny. They are that funny. That's part of the internet research agency was making really funny memes during the 2016 election. So one of some of the work, yeah, there's a lot of dispute about this because some of the people that have created this research have also partly been responsible for similar disinformation allegedly. But anyway, there's this one woman who came to my podcast to talk about it and she done a lot of research on it and her name is Renee DeResta and she said there's Hundreds of thousands of them that were created by these Russian troll farms and some of them were really funny They were really funny and they created these specifically to mock like Hillary Clinton or to mock Donald Trump or to mock this or to mock Texas or to mock the blue states or mock the red states and they just would crank these out and throw them online and just keep everything Right.

3:18:12Yeah, yeah. Make people argue about shit. You're thinking about you're reading the comments on your deal, what Instagram or whatever the fuck it is. And the chances that that's some Chinese 23 year old sitting in a fucking warehouse on his computer. Yeah, with a whole sheet load of them. Yeah, the Ministry of State or whatever they call it and he's just sitting there firing off his troll shit. Highly likely. Highly likely that a percentage of them are that. There's certainly people that engage in that stupidity all day long, but there's also I'll go to look I'll see someone that has a ridiculous take on something I'll go let me check out that guy's page and I'll go to his page I'll go, oh, you're a fake person.

3:18:51You're a fake person. This is like you got an American flag and you're fucking Twitter bio you're not a real person you have two followers and you don't have any posts But you're just like shitting on people and you're getting involved in these things like okay I see you're all you do is reply to things and when I look at your apply They're all very specific the way you do it and a lot of times you can take certain things that people say and you can put them in a search engine And you'll find hundreds of Twitter accounts that are the exact same thing. They're saying verbatim really yeah They're all fake accounts and there's a shitload of them like Inflammatory things about whatever it is whether it's abortion or the border or whatever it is You'll see that there's a certain percentage of that argument that's being fueled by people that aren't even real people So then it's China Russia some groups.

3:19:35Yes Yeah, they're trying to I mean it's part of the long it's not the whole plan, but it's part of the plan Yeah, it's part of the whole long game to keep us out of those throats. Yeah, they've made fake accounts And I bet we do it too. I try to ask Mike Baker about that. Remember you skirted that one Jamie Yeah, I go do we do that? I would hope we do that that was my I don't know what it does. When people were saying that the FBI was involved in the January 6th insurrection that they were instigating people to break into the Capitol, I'm like, possibly, but also, if you got an extremist group, if you got a group that you think might break into the Capitol and you're the FBI, you're supposed to get embedded in those people.

3:20:24You gotta find out what the fuck they're doing. Ideally, if you find out that just a bunch of knuckleheads, you're supposed to leave Malone. You're not supposed to convince them they have to kidnap the governor of Minnesota or Michigan or wherever the fuck it was Where was that lady? I think it was Michigan. Was it Michigan? Yeah What is that one's like 12 of those dudes were FBI informants? There's like two regular guys They're really fun. Well, that's kind of the DeLorean deal right like you can't What was the deal? Oh that was like a DeLorean when they entrapped him and they're like hey if you'll sell this Oh, they like to do that too.

3:20:53That's a good one. That's a real good one. Yeah, that kind of entrapment thing That's when it goes unchecked, but also if you do have a legit terror cell, wouldn't it be nice if the FBI fucking embedded themselves in that and stopped that from happening? Would have been great to have a couple of those in that fucking airplane school, huh? It would have been great. It would have been nice. You know, they can't be everywhere. But, but you know, there's so many stories of them actually doing that, like convincing people to do shit that they would never have done. And that's what they said about the Whitmer thing, that these poor guys that are just dummies.

3:21:28You know, like there's a certain percentage of the population of this country. I forget what the number is, but they're below 85 IQ. There's a certain percentage of people who just have low watt brains. And if you get ahold of those dummies and also near their friend and you're convincing them, hey man, we gotta stand up for something. You know, stand up for something, you're not nothing. Like yeah, we gotta fucking stand up for something. That fucking governor, man. That's the problem. You know if we kidnap her we could fucking turn this whole thing around we could take over this fucking country We do it the right way.

3:21:58Yeah, probably well so listen. We're gonna meet at the dogs at nine o 'clock We are brothers. We are brotherhood in this fight. Okay, no, let me go there like I just wanted a friend. I just wanted a friend Such a two fucking ten years of syncing That's not that's not good. Hey guys. That's the wrong way to do it But when you do it the right way and you infiltrate, infiltrate terror organizations, I know that's real too. Like you can't throw the baby out with the bath water, but gotta be some oversight on this. You can't just allow the same sort of unchecked shit that goes on with everything to go on with that.

3:22:34You gotta wonder how much, how many 9 -11s we don't even know about that they, that they averted. That they averted. Maybe. It's possible. I'm sure they've done a lot of good. I have no doubt. I mean, that was 20, was that 22 years ago now? Mm -hmm. And that crazy. That is crazy. And there's no way that in the two decades since then, because shit ain't got better. Right. The relations haven't got better. There's no way that there haven't been any number of things that those guys have had to for it. That they just, they won't tell us about Cantal's, because it'll give away the fact that they're inside.

3:23:11That's the argument for things like the Patriot Act and for the NSA's mass scale surveillance, surveillance of the population. You want to be able to leave everybody alone, but you want to be able to point out when some shit is about to go down. And this is really the only other way. If they're communicating through media, we gotta be able to tap into this shit, and we'll just use keywords and find people and get them. I'm sure that those guys have like red flag B. 85 times. What have you been googling? What I'm writing, think about it. Read Mary King's town. You know look at look at Yellowstone look at lioness look at Sikario like the shit.

3:23:48I'm looking up drug drug Now there's terrorists this and they've got to go. Oh, how we got a humdinger over here in frickin Texas and then they put like now. It's that guy is that guy This will be in him you this will be the plot and something here in two years. You just watch Sikario's fucking awesome How much is involved in research with that like how do you do research for something like Sikario? I did a lot of research for Succio. How did you? I was able to talk to some people on the inside of different things. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa, that must be heavy. Yeah, yeah. And to be honest, of a lot of the things that I uncovered, I didn't uncover them, but they were shown to me.

3:24:31Like, there's a, Succio is the PG version of what it could have been. Holy shit. as barbaric as that is and how we were shielded from them. You know, the drug war, and that was really, that was 2010, 2011, the drug war that it's based on. More people died in the five years around that than died in Vietnam. Holy shit. Oh. Holy shit. Yeah. That's the wildest one. The wildest one that we're dealing with, like when you talk about major problems that this country has, sure we have immigration problems, sure we have, we've got a lot of problems. One of the wildest ones is the amount of people that died from fentanyl overdoses every year.

3:25:19So, doing research, I discovered, I was trying to figure out what are the, just to have a perspective on the scale of, revenue generating industries, like, and I did started with oil, like how much money do oil companies make? And if you look at the top 10 revenue generating industries, it's up there like five or six or seven or eight somewhere. It's not as high as I thought it would be. Pharmaceuticals sit there at like 3 .2 trillion a year in revenue. Illegal drugs are estimated at 3 .3 trillion. And we talk about Big Pharma is this fucking monster. Think about the fact that illegal drug trade is bigger than big pharma.

3:26:08Holy shit. Wow, I had no idea. Yeah. Holy shit. Bigger. Yeah. And all funded because it's illegal. But obviously there's a demand for it. And there's no way to know. There's no way it's because it's illegal. Right. Those are estimates. I don't know how they make the estimates, But here's a question if you're the president of the world and if you have this fucking magic wand Do you even want drugs to be legal? What do you want to do? Do you want to go after the people that are making the drugs and just say it's a war on America on American youth because of 100 ,000 people die every year and we need to involve the military and go after the cartels or Do you say we need to wake up to the fact that people are gonna take these fucking things no matter what?

3:26:59So we need to regulate them, make them legal and make them pure and also give people some sort of an understanding of what the correct dose is Tell them not to do it offer counseling have rehab centers have all that funded by the taxes that you're gonna make from selling these things Legally, but allow people to sell legally because you either you're either Boosting up the pharmaceutical drug companies, which are pretty gangster or you're boosting up the real gangsters like we I would I would argue you and I don't have an answer. Look, I've written movies about this. I don't have the fucking answer.

3:27:31But if you look at and we he can pull it up right now, overdose deaths from prescription medication, oxycontin, all these various things. And that's a that's exactly what you're saying. That is a regulated, narc -heavy narcotic, regulated, heavily regulated. You know, It's a class A or one, whatever they call it, schedule one. You write that prescription as a doctor. Somebody's going to come knocking and go, eh, what was this for exactly? You write up a ton of them. You better be a frickin' orthopedic surgeon. Especially today. Yeah. And the number of deaths from prescription overdoses, it's pretty substantially high.

3:28:12I think it would be a failure. I think I don't think it would work. I don't know what we do. I think that and I talked about in Sicario where he says look until we can figure out a way to convince 20 % of the population not to smoke and snort this shit the Measure of controls the best we can hope for right Yeah, if you made it legal for sure there would be people this is the argument against it if you made it legal for sure There would be people that try it that wouldn't ordinarily try it, but they try it because it's legal Yeah, like when Elon was on my show and he smoked with me One of the things they said, oh, it was legal.

3:28:49I mean, that's legal here, bro. We smoked weed together. But he said it's legal. And so he felt like he could do it. I go try it. How many kids would do heroin if it became legal? How many kids would do coke? How many impressionable people that wouldn't do something illegal will now do something because it is legal and how many generations does it take before we figure out how to start that? And I guess the question would be, could they make a heroin light? Like a Miller light. Like a cocaine light. Because if you ever watch one of those shows about how they make cocaine, you're never doing cocaine.

3:29:22Well, we had Mariana Vanzellar who has that show, what does that show called? Excuse me? Traffic. And she was embedded in this drug producing lab in, was it Costa Rica? Where was it? Columbia? I think it was Columbia. I remember Columbia. She was in there with these people while they're making cocaine and they let her document everything. And she even walked out with them when they were hiking it out as mules on their back. She took the trek with them. She retraces one of the world's most, yeah, Peruvian jungles to the Colombian coastline, to the streets of Miami. Yeah. It's a crazy episode, man, because that lady has fucking courage.

3:30:08They're bleaching those leaves with like diesel and freaking cow piss and horrible. They have this vat and they're pouring these chemicals in there and they're taking all the fucking coke out of it. And then they're packing it up, this pure cocaine. It's so pure, it's really good for it. And they're taking that pure thing. But they're cool. You could trust that middle man, send out put a little fentanyl in there just to cut it a little bit with some fucking flour. Now that's the argument for it being legal and hard to get. That if it was legal and you really went after the people that are making it illegally and you test everything, you would stop all the fentanyl overdoses at least.

3:30:42But you're not gonna stop all the overdoses. For sure, people just overdose on regular coke. They definitely die on regular heroin. They definitely have. It's just, would they die as often? Would it be as bad? And would you have to deal with propping up this illegal drug regime, which is the scary part? Is that right next door? We could just walk over there. Do do do do do do. You could literally walk over there. Walking over here, we could walk over there too. You can walk over to a place that's run by drug cartels. Yeah. You have to look at the desire. And obviously a lot of it's going to, if you've worked really hard and you built up this and you've got a family and you've got a kid in college and someone goes, hey, you want to go to this new bar?

3:31:28They've got cocaine. You're probably going to go, ah, you know what? I don't. Right. I've got a lot to lose. That sounds sketchy. Yeah, I don't think I want to do that. But if you've grown up in this fucking shitty family and you know, your father's abusive and moms and alcoholic and she's a drug abuser And you feel like you have no hope and you're gonna turn to that so it prays on the weakest the most vulnerable of our society I wonder if if there's not a way I would want to try I would want to try like how do we and I don't want to sound How do we just walk this place down long enough that we freaking keep the drugs out?

3:32:02I don't think we can at this point. I don't think we can either. I think they're so sophisticated on the ways they get it in. And there's enough people corrupt on the side that let it in. I don't think you could ever do it. And it's a $3 .3 trillion a year business. So they've figured out things, there's probably some fucking highway under New Mexico that comes up in a warehouse and they're trucking this shit out and they've paid off everybody. And it's a $3 .3 trillion business. The corruption is undeniable. There's always going to be corruption. One of the things that Mary Ann Evanseller found out, one of the things she investigated is cops that are corrupt in Los Angeles taking confiscated weapons and then driving them into Mexico and selling them to the cartels.

3:32:45Because you can just get in. They don't check you when you come in. They check you when you leave. So if you want to bring Coke, whatever you want. But when you're going to go in, come on in. So they're going in with these confiscated weapons that they've gotten from you know gangs and what have you and they've got a trunk full of shit They drive it into Mexico and sell it. I've always felt if you think about it probably the two public service jobs that are the most important teacher police officer. Yep. How are those not $250 ,000 of your paying jobs? Right? right? And there's, and there's, by the way, there's, there's great police officers out there.

3:33:24There's great teachers out there. But there's a large portion that are not because, and you're going to see it in LA now, you defund the police, we do this. Now you don't have enough cops. So now you've got to do what you did with the rampart, lower your standards to get enough bodies in there and then all of a sudden, they're using illegal immigrants. Yeah. They're using non -citizens to be police officers in Los Angeles now. Like Google that, Jamie. me. Without guns though. We're now. They can't have guns or they can't have guns at home. They're not allowed. They can't have guns on them. Right.

3:33:57For now. But are they trying to pass? So they can't have points. Wouldn't you want, you know, look, if you're going to be in the FBI, and there's a lot of politicization of the FBI right now, but what they're not doing is getting in a shit ton of like shootings. And if they are, or that we're not hearing about them. Those guys and those men and women have college degrees. A lot of them have law degrees. They're going to go through a year at the farm before they start out somewhere very small, have all these different training regimens before they're running around busting down doors. OK, here it is.

3:34:32LAPD moves to accommodate new DACA officers who can't personally own guns, can't personally own guns. But I don't know if that means that they can't carry guns on the job. Possessed their department issued firearms while off duty. So while on duty, they are armed.

3:34:55So you could be an illegal alien who comes into this country and then no one wants to be a cop so you could be a cop and they'll give you a gun. And so you could be a citizen of America getting arrested by someone who is not a citizen of America in America at gunpoint. But the DACA recipients is that weird. That's a interesting. Well, that just means that people that they graduate the academy. That's what means, right? No, no, no. Is that the dreamers? Yeah. So what that would mean is that's a they were brought in as a child. Is that what it means? Yeah, brought in as a child. And I believe Obama gave him amnesty at one point.

3:35:30I don't know that it was ever rescinded. So it's had a certain age, the firt action of childhood arrivals. Yeah. OK, so that's people that came here as a child. They're parents illegally immigrated here, but they've been here their whole life. Why not just make them fucking citizens then? I was a big fan of things. There was a thing... There was a thing... ...that you get deported when Trump was president. George W. Bush actually initiated legislation for amnesty that involves back taxes and some things, but would give people like all the immigrants a green card. And there was a bunch of pushback saying, well, once I go, now we want a path to citizenship.

3:36:09And I think the Democrats are like, whoa, you're not going to take all our fucking Latin vote. Hell no, you can't do that. So it got squashed. But there was an attempt to legitimize all these people that had moved here illegally, but had created a home and were working and contributing members of society. And they killed it because it didn't go far enough for some. And politically it just got squashed. That's unfortunate because if you can get to the point where you can tell those people they can be police officers And they can carry guns on duty which Colorado it's a did there as well. So it's a Make them citizens that seems like they're good people.

3:36:45They're doing a good job. They're here at the paint taxes They're living their part of society. They want to be police officers. Why would we assume they're bad? Let's that the problem is that they're not citizens Well, why is the why is it such a difficult path to citizenship for someone who is born somewhere else but came over here as a child and and I'm assuming if you're a cop, you don't have a criminal record, I'm assuming, right? California, I don't know. Yeah, California might help you. Yeah. I don't know. It's a wild world, it is. We're to the name of the time. I'm sure every generation thinks that they're at the precipice of disaster, but certainly World War II felt that way, and I know it felt that way in the 50s with the Cold War.

3:37:28For sure. I'm felt that way in the 80s. It sure did. Yeah, like when we were kids it felt like at any moment we could have a nuclear war with Russia I don't think you've seen the internal divide in this nation since Though late teens early 20s. I agree You know when you know the big commie just pushed in and then the time before that we had a fucking Civil War And I think a lot of that is accentuated by what we were talking about earlier with the social media use and The subversion of our educational institutions. It's that's a big part of why we have this divide and I think I think one thing that can combat that is a rational discourse that's appealing to people.

3:38:06And the people like you and other people that have these opinions, they say out loud and people listen and they go, you know what he's right? Like this is crazy. Like this divide is crazy. And what is accentuating this divide? Engaging in these fucking stupid arguments online that might not even be with real people It might actually be with AI from China. What are we doing? We just have to, someone's got to step up and go look the minutia of the argument. Is irrelevant. In a greater picture, obviously it's very important to the people stuck in it. And I don't give a fuck if it's gender -neutral bathrooms or it was climate change or whatever it is.

3:38:45Everyone has to first admit we all have a right to think different. Yeah. And it's not violent when I disagree with you. It's not an irrational fear of you when I disagree or vice versa But until we can respectfully Disagree and go hey you have your thoughts and I have my thoughts. How do we coexist? Right but right now co -existings off the table right and that's the thing that has to get back on the table Well, and people are very upset about that's why songs like that rich man from Richmond Yeah, that's why it hits like that. Yeah, cuz people like yeah, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on?

3:39:19Yeah, and they want it to be better I mean most people don't want to be involved in all this stupidity They just want to live a good life and have fun before the aliens turn us into fucking vegetables I didn't know that was happening until that's what I think that's what I think anyway I think we just did like four hours how long have been on? Three and a half hours dude fuck like that. Yeah, well listen It's been really fun. I really appreciate you love your work. You're fucking awesome dude Everything you've done has just been some of my favorite shit ever on television for for sure 1883 is one of the greatest shows I've ever seen in my life.

3:39:57It's fucking incredible. Thank you. Appreciate you everybody go watch it. It's awesome And whatever else you got going on let me know I'll do it. I'll blast it out there. Oh yeah