#2085 - Charles Wesley Godwin

1:13:51You feel like a fucking loser Good because you are a loser Like right now you're a loser You don't want to be a loser right? Okay, get to work Yep, you can't be resting on those laurels You know You just gotta keep pushing You know, a really valuable thing And honestly, I've been listening to this show This show feels a lot of time When I was on the road all these years And so I was like a 23 year old kid Driving my old highlander to gigs And I listened to this show And there's Care remember exactly when It might have been multiple times But you'd be talking with like fellow comedians About your olds come up And you were talking about getting the famine mentality Out of your mind You had to figure out that that's a toxic place To be at mentally Is letting other people's success Like fuck with you Or being jealous about it And all that And I remember listening to that as a kid And I didn't figure that out yet for myself But hearing that and I was like oh yeah That's smart Just be happy for folks And keep moving and focus on you And that was one of the most valuable things That I ever You know, learned from somebody else Was that just to get that out of my head Way back at the beginning And just have that like healthy mindset Going into you know what is a A decade long crucible Trying to make it in the music industry That's beautiful Is getting that Just positive frame of mind You're just working on you And if you see something good happen to somebody else Hell yeah, good for them It can be a positive thing When other people succeed And you have that Jell's demon gets in your mind You can turn that around And use that as inspiration But you have to consciously understand what's happening here And other people's success That is not your failure That's their success And you could use that as fuel That could be inspiration And it could be entirely positive And especially if you know those people The saddest thing to me Is when there's a friend And one friend has something really big happen The other friend gets jealous And starts shit on that friend because of it And you see it in comedy all the time And it's a terrible mindset And there's The same experience Could be approached in a completely different way Where your friend makes it Do fuck yeah God dammit, you did it This is incredible, holy shit You're killing it I'm so pumped man, I'm gonna get to work now I'm gonna work harder I'm gonna carve my path now Now that I know that you did it And now that I feel that That sense that I want that in my life I wanna achieve that It can be fuel And that fuel is important It's so valuable And instead people piss that fuel away as jealousy and bitterness Where it does you no good It poisons you It ruins you You're hoping for someone's failure It's such a terrible weakness It's a terrible weakness of character That so many people just give into And you don't have to The exact same experience Where someone is killing it Can be fuel for you Even if you don't like that person Like that's the highest level of it You don't even like a guy And you see they're killing And go you know what?

1:17:07They fucking earned it man They're out there kicking ass Maybe I don't like their personality Maybe they're just fucking They're so focused on success They're kind of a cocksucker to other people But you know what man Look that fucking guy put in that work And now he's like I admire that ambition I admire that work ethic I embrace that I don't want to be that person I don't want to be a shitty person I want to be a nice person But I also want to be successful How the fuck do I incorporate this into my life I need this This is fuel for me And to look at it that way That's a way better way And it's the same exact experience The same exact materials But instead of using those materials They're like Why not me?

1:17:49Instead you're like Fuck yeah I'm now going to go for it It gives you positive energy Instead of negative energy It's just a mindset that you have to embrace It's huge Yeah and I think without that I don't know if I would have made it You know what I mean Just those Those years you Have got to muster up all the positivity you can Because you're not getting it You know from the bar The restaurant and the brewery and the cafes And sleeping in the back of your car Being broke You know folks coming up And telling you to turn it off I mean I mean shit So yeah Having that frame of mind Gets you through those hard times And the scene I came up And basically in the West Virginia music scene There wasn't much at one And it was not that It was very much the family mentality So I got help from certain promoters And venue owners But other established musicians in the state No And When I recognize that at the time I told myself if I'm ever And if I ever have the opportunity To I'm going to do things differently And then once I started getting out there And the music world a little bit And actually playing some proper shows And then I was I was blessed to be To get to open for very supportive people That helped me out And we're happy to bring me on the road That's awesome And you know they wanted to bring the best show that they could And you know I never forget that And then I try to do that now Who's the first person to bring in the road The first legit shows That I got to play And open for somebody You know travel and show to show With them was William Clark Green Here out of Texas I did an East Coast run with them And William was super cool to me And you know I was nervous going into it Because these are some of my first like actual venue shows Outside of my hometown that I ever played I've only done restaurants and bars before that And I remember one night William was like if you he told the crowd towards the end of his set He's like if if one of you all If you guys buy a piece of Chuck's merch I'll give you a free CD Like a free sign CD or something like that So I mean Oh wow I mean I think I made like $700 at the merch table that night As a solo opener And that was a good night then Back in that day And then Ward Davis took me out with him for two years And you know That allowed me to get my feet on the ground And start building A good loyal following And you know Ward Ward's learned a lot of hard things Like a lot of things the hard way And shared a lot of experience with me Which has saved me some hard lessons That's important Like someone who's a mentor that's gone through it already Can give you some advice Yeah absolutely And then Zach Bryan And you know in Zach's way Just opening up his giant following To us And letting us open Three of his tours You know what I mean And you know those three In particular We're huge And then I've opened for some fantastic people Since then But like those were the three that were like William was the first and then Ward was the Warden Zach were the ones that I opened for The longest Yeah it's nice to be in a spot now Where I get to pick Folks that are coming up That are really really Fucking good And get to bring them out on the road And having a show Just the internet You know the internet Here say And you just hear things about folks One guy that he opened a West Coast tour with this summer And this is like kind of that That great example of just like Having a good A good circle of folks that you You're able to work with Why at Flores And why I can't be opening for me now Like I mean we did our last show together He was one of my My openers at the at the ramen We shot after the second show And I said you got to remember this But remember when you play Mass In Square Garden the first time You make sure you have me in the boys As your opener for that one Because you know just everybody Is on their own timeline And why it's just you know His is going real fast That's awesome And it's great for him man That is cool And that is where that mentality comes in That other people's success is not your failure It's beautiful Yeah my wife and my kids are fine My band now everybody is you know They're getting married, getting homes And like we're good That's crazy to be fine We just keep doing our thing Exactly And the more folks that succeed the better Yes And the world needs more great music It really does Ain't nobody that's only listening to one person I always say iPod, no one's got an iPod There's nobody that's only listening to one artist On their spotifier It's probably a stalker Maybe Taylor Swift Taylor Swift might have like one dude Out there that only has Taylor Swift songs Going 24 -7 he's got a Taylor Swift D -shirt He talks his dick and his fucking underwear And stands in the mirror and pretends he's heard Oh right There's a few people out there But the world is on its game Yeah God imagine being her security detail Jesus Christ I'd be interested to hear some of their stories I bet there's been some shit Oh my god it has to be Like there's I mean in the history of artists There's only a handful, a small handful That have got to that Taylor Swift level That's the level where almost Everyone goes crazy I don't even think you can count it on two hands I don't think so No it's like there's Michael Jackson The Beatles, Elvis There's like a few But she's in a crazy place man She's doing stadiums every night Every night Stadiums, stadiums, stadiums They sold out instantly Pickets go for astronomical numbers And then there's a stadium Of people outside the stadium Just trying to listen to The echoes of the PA That's something I've never seen Like you see, you see some sold Out stadium tours and stuff But you don't see that Or like it's that overhead And then it looks like the Washington Mall Outside of the stadium Yeah, folks, it's trying to hear like That echo of her voice from Half mile away Some of the first live shows that I ever saw I was a security guard at Great Woods Great Woods is this place in Mansfield, Massachusetts It's like outside performance Amphitheater And some of the first shows that I ever saw Live, first show I ever saw Live was a J -Giles band Maybe it was George Thoroughgood It was like George Thoroughgood and Destroyers And I think that was like The first band that I paid to see When I was a kid But then when I was older And I worked as a security guard I worked for this place So I saw concerts all the time I saw so many different concerts And I remember one time I saw Bon Jovi I was working the Bon Jovi concert And we were pulling the security Truck up And as we were pulling the truck up We got out And outside of the venue Here, shot through the heart And you're too lame You give love A bad name Pound and everybody goes And I was like This is crazy Because it was one of my first nights on the job And I was like Hearing that pop for the first time That energy is insane It's insane The energy of a live show is something that's just Because it's not just You're watching the performance You're watching it with other people And they're all excited And you feel their excitement And everyone's happy And it's all Everyone's together And that fucking yeah It's all together It's wild It's a beautiful thing man It's so beautiful It makes the travel worth it To have that feeling You got all those voices They're all having that moment The travel's rough The travel breaks you down Do you do anything to keep the travel from breaking you down Do you take vitamins?

1:26:10You take care of yourself at all Yeah, I do I do my best and I'm getting better As the years go by I run Just about every day That's awesome Yeah, it's good for my cardio Good for my head too Good for my head And then yeah, I take vitamins A lot of vitamin D trying to keep my kids in daycares Oh my god, brother They're little disease factors Dude, I've been sick more in the last two years And I was the 10 years prior Since my son first went in It is like a little peacher dish I'm going to come out like a cockroach Here in 18 years You come out of it You're going to be a system But yeah, I take vitamins I start doing AG1 That's great stuff With the little droplets in it too A couple of months ago Vitamin D and K2

1:27:02Everything is the same Except that afternoon I could take a nap I don't have that when I'm taking that That's good That's the big difference I've been getting from that one The hard thing is the diet When you're on the road That's the hard thing Yeah, really make sure you eat clean Just as a giant factor And whether or not you can recover Yeah, the discipline there After the show is a big part of it Yeah, the jack in the box Burger King pole is strong Yeah, if I had perfect discipline I'd look like an Olympian You know, I'd be pretty I wouldn't be that strong But we're moving to the bus this year So this would be my first year in the bus And I'm looking forward to that sleep Yeah, I don't know if I can sleep that good in a bus I always worry about crashing Because the thing about a bus if you crash He's just falling on top of everybody You're not even strapped in It happens to me What was that woman's name Gloria Estefan, she fractured her back I think, yeah A serious accident Party had a bus accident I think last year And yeah, I think you know Yeah, I think it was pretty bad Well, it's scary shit man And you gotta rely on that driver Stay awake And then who knows what kind of Fuckheads are on the road doing stupid shit Crashing into things But we've been Driving myself You know, for the seven years With my dogs And then, you know, sleeping And a roll out mat And the back of my car, you know, behind venues And then the hard way Three years in the van With me and the guys and driving all day So, you know This is the only way I see Being able to keep my health up For the rest of my life Is getting that sleep Do you drink?

1:28:54A little bit I cut way back this year Yeah, I get into the thirties Things start sticking to you A little bit more And I was looking to myself We went to the beach back at the end of May And I was looking at pictures of myself I was like, yeah, that's it I gotta like this shit down Or I'm gonna let you get in the way from me Well, it's just the fatigue factor The difference between drinking and not drinking Like how you feel the next day It's so significant It's hard to ignore That fatigue factor Like you're poisoning yourself every night Yeah, it's fun Yeah, it's great, have a few beers Throw a few shots back Woo, have a little party It's great, parties are fun But you are legitimately poisoning yourself And you gotta be aware of what the fact of that is Yeah, and it's not good for the voice either You know, sometimes I'll do four headlines in a row And that's like exact smoke cigarettes like a chimney And I was like, how are you doing that You have this fucking incredible gift This amazing voice And you're sucking on cigarettes all the time Yeah, he's a pup still He is a young boy He's a young fella One day, maybe I don't know, I mean, maybe his voice will change with the cigarettes Like sonatras You ever hear Sonatra when he was young?

1:30:15Oh, yeah There's really 50s like Christmas songs and stuff It makes me strange Strangely different It's like a completely different kind of voice Like when he got older, it was like this I did it my way But when he was younger, it was like this insane voice This beautiful, you know, he was arrested I have one of his mug shots out there You know, I have a whole collection of mug shots out there in the lobby One of them is Sonatra And he was arrested for seduction Yeah, I think it banks somebody's wife They're all in person's wife I guess somebody to like the mayor But that was listed on his It was seduction See, that's true, right?

1:31:02That's an old school all right there Here it is, seduction Let me explain. The year was 1938 Years before Sonatra would go on to Starnis first movie or releases first single He was just 23 years old by today's standards Shocking that he spent any time in jail for his crime Even though it was less than 16 hours So during that time period a person could be arrested for seduction Which was a charge usually given to a man Who slept with a woman based on false promises Are using some kind of lie Oh, interesting For instance, a man could be arrested after sleeping with a woman After a false promise of marriage Wow, reportedly Sonatra's ex -girlfriend was his accuser Also, it wasn't a wife, I was wrong Saying that he promised her marriage And then broke up with her You get arrested because you break up with a girl, that's hilarious Frank was willing to say anything to get in that However, it turns out that she was actually already married Which canceled out the charges of seduction That's why I thought it was someone's wife Even so the state of New Jersey arrested Sonatra and charged him with adultery After learning that they couldn't nab him with seduction The charges later dropped after he paid a $500 bond $500 in 1938 That's probably a stiff bond That's a lot of money back then People buy a house for like $500 Yeah, in Detroit right now I thought about that right as I said See if you find some recordings of Sonatra from when he was young Because it really is crazy when you listen to the difference in that music The sound of that voice and that's got to be like a lot of Jack Daniels and cigarettes I think the earliest I've listened to him is maybe the 40s So maybe if he was singing in the 30s there, I probably haven't heard that It's an incredible voice But it's so different, it's hard to believe that it's actually Sonatra Because it sounds so young and high pitched It's just a different And it had so much range His voice had this incredible range That all got blunted by the cigarettes And then, you know, I also got older It just became ad regrets It became almost more talking than the vocal range that he had when he was younger It just kind of adapted All the years of Just playing night and night out too It can take somebody's range away Oh yeah, man The vocal surgery and stuff like that Yeah, it's torches your throat He left 29 broken hearts That's different Yeah Now there are 29 sellers complaining to their mom So about the ladies, 29 palms Wow, yeah What do you got here I've got you So this is very different This is the wig days I've tried so Not to give in I have sent to myself this affair It never will move Strange times It is looking right at the camera doing the hand work It's just saying Well, you got to think back then That's all new Being on television was new He's the fucking man right there That didn't know There was no one on TV before him How many years of television even existed before that?

1:34:29Was it 10? You know It was like 15 It was like the early 50s when his late show started Oh my god, and if you go back and watch those What's crazy is If you go back and watch those shows Especially like the late night talk shows And stuff like that That thing where you have the desk And then someone sits beside on the couch They still do it that way today I know They fucking never adjusted It's the same weird It's weird like why you have a desk Are you working? Are you writing books up there? Like why do you have a fucking desk Why are you sitting in front of that desk It's just like that was the tonight show Ladies and gentlemen Hey, have a seat And he's got this guy sitting there at a desk And next to him it's a This is a bizarre way to do a show But because it was the way they did it originally These uncreative motherfuckers just kept doing it that way forever And everybody does it that way Yeah, they still do The only person like Norm McDonnell, man I'd sit there on YouTube And just watch like his late night show interviews Where he's in that situation He turned that in like Yeah, yeah No, he was a man A few people did it differently Arsenio Hall did it differently Arsenio Hall had like seats Or they were sitting next to each other He did it differently George Lopez did it differently George Lopez just had like seats They just kind of faced each other Kind of like Letterman's Like Netflix show that he does now Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's a cool setup It's a good setup The only problem is That way of talking to people You don't really It's too performative There's people there Like a real conversation It's not the same when there's an audience It's a different thing Sometimes it's a fun thing Like live podcasts in front of an audience They can be great But it's a different thing It's not It's not the same thing that you get From just sitting in a room with someone having a conversation with them Which is the best way to talk to people Yeah, yeah You're getting a little bit of the public persona For somebody if you're in a theater Yeah You're doing an interview Yeah, I mean, everybody does it differently Be real who we're talking about before He has a show called the hotbox Is it called the hotboxen?

1:36:50No, that's Mike Tyson Mike Tyson's hotboxen What's Be Real's show Where he has this Old cool car That they've done up And they got cameras inside of it Smokebox And you get Barbecued I mean barbecued You don't know what you're talking about five seconds ago And you're on this podcast Just getting baked And you're stuck in this car with Be Real And those guys are Nobody smokes weed like rappers You want to smoke weed? No, I can only imagine I was uh I was fishing with Jamie Johnson Last week and I was just trying to keep up with him And he had me He had me blasted there He can get tricky And I'm sure Jamie Johnson can hang in there too He definitely can I'm sure he could do it But I can't try to smoke a weed with like Snoop And Wiz Khalifa Oh yeah, you're going heavyweight Action Bronson Action Bronson did the podcast once We had to take a picture Of all the blunt that were in the ass tray At the end of the podcast Because it was so ridiculous Like how are you alive?

1:37:56Yeah Yeah, did it Some folks had tolerance Might as opposed to this It's like I said the first 48 hours He just the whole time he's talking He's just rolling blunts And he rolls his own blunts So he's sitting there talking to you And he's just like We're talking about shit He's just rolling blunts Yeah, he had a sound machine with him He had lights and shit He's such a character Snoop is an original That's an original human being Everybody loves him too man Oh my god, how do you not love him He's a great guy A few people in the world There's like a second grader That knows who he is And my mom knows who he is Remember, he was doing that show with Martha Stewart And it was great Like who would have ever thought That that teaming would work That pair Yeah, back in the day You never see that coming Perfect, we're straight She got done dirty Back in the day They got her They got her and they put her in jail For the same shit Nancy Pelosi She's made hundreds of millions of dollars For So many of those folks I wonder why they went after her Like that I wonder what the real story behind it was She must piss somebody off Uh -huh Yeah, there had to be something Otherwise it doesn't even make sense Like why would you scout her Why are you going after her Martha Stewart What you don't like Beautiful things Well, and Elsa was saying in his book He thought they they came after him Still hot Look at her She looks great She looks great Looking good Got out of the Olympics or something That's a thing It's a dangerous thing to some people Yeah Some people give them My friend Brian got horrible side effects It was like bedridden For some people A certain percentage of the people It affects them, affects their gut very badly Yeah, they get all these gastrointestinal issues And all you have to do is just not eat Shit And you can lose that weight Just not eat shit Cut all the sugar out of your life If you will watch weight fall off your body Yeah Yeah, there's another way to do it There's another way to do it But that's not what people want People want that quick fix You know Especially if you're a wheat smoker You're a wheat smoker and you just want to All the munchies

1:40:23Especially late night It's hard not to just fatten up Yeah Sometimes at home And I'll raid that pantry Absolutely It's hard You have to have healthy choices Like something that you can eat That you actually enjoy One of the things I really like doing Like late night after a gig I like cooking I'll come home and cook a steak Like one in the morning I'm like look I'm a fucking grown man I could eat whatever I want Like I could cook a steak right now Just cook a steak You're hungry Don't just go pour a bowl of fruit loops Make a fucking steak Good to eat something healthy Let's eat real food Let's have some vitamins, drink some water Let's do it the right way That's another thing I'm looking for To that bus is because you know We can stash some better options On there for after a show And yeah I think it'll I think it's going to help They pulled over Willie's bus in Texas And arrested him That's amazing When did they do that?

1:41:24It's the bus I want to say it was like 2000 Oh that's fucked up Seven or some shit 2009 When did Willie Nelson get arrested Might have even been later than that Might have been 2013 There was something crazy where the whole world was like What? 2010 85 miles outside of Al Paso For weed Willie Nelson What are you a communist? That's like butchering the Texas Longhorn Like mascot or something It's so stupid too It's like the dumbest thing to arrest someone for Like Jesus Christ How are we still doing this in 2024 We're not really Like it's decriminalized in Austin But it's still illegal in the state of Texas It's still federally illegal Even though it's legal in a bunch of states It's still federally illegal That's a thing in music is you know People will stop and dump it off Like in the van And stuff like that So stupid Kansas too is another one Well there's a lot of states where when you go through the airport They have a designated marijuana Depositing box Like so if you're traveling And you're going to fly into a state where it's illegal You just dump it in this box Like in Nevada they have that Because Nevada has these You know weed dispensaries They have stores now where you can buy it legally So if you're flying to the airport You're like all right I want to get caught Dump it in this box And at the end of the night I bet those people that work Rade that box Yeah, of course Yeah, we're a We're going to do Canada for the first time this year And that was like a A thing that Our tour manager was telling all the guys Make sure you get passports Going now and like Make sure Playing on like Not having any weed when we cross the border What's legal in Canada?

1:43:20Yeah, but you can't cross Right, you can't cross with it But once you're there You can buy it there Why did you bring it with you? Yeah, they got dispensaries up there Yeah, I remember when it was illegal in Canada And then all of a sudden I went there one year And it was like, oh my god, these weed stores everywhere That's how it should be It should be legal You don't like it good There's a lot of things I don't like Doesn't mean it should be illegal You don't have to take it Yeah, I was kind of hoping back home They would legalize it And West Virginia Kind of more at the front end Of the states and made some of that money You know, we needed that Yeah, that's the thing that's really crazy Despite not the nose, despite their face Yeah, missed out on it We could have been selling people in all the border states there For a good handful of years and making good money Are you living there now?

1:44:08Yeah, I still live there with my wife and kids And that's where I go back to when I'm off the road You plan on living there forever? I always have, you know, my family, we have family land That always have my great -grandmother's house So I'll always keep that And you know, whether my wife and I end up splitting time Maybe between there and somewhere else That might happen, but yeah, I'll never I'll never leave that completely I feel like it's like in your bones Yeah, I love it, man It's like my comfortable place in the world It's like truly, you know That's nice I'm fortunate to feel that way about where I'm from That is very fortunate that everybody does It's nice to have a place that grounds you too When you go back, I'm at home base again Especially for a guy like you that does the road so much And all the travel Yeah, like my routine, my small town And I grew up with so many people I see around on the day to day That's cool And folks watch me grow up You know, the older folks They know me And yeah, I get to go about my day -to -day life And it's all very, very normal We're even in Nashville, it's not that Because everybody's in music Right, right, right You got people that they want something from you Or something like that Yeah, that's what I keep hearing about Nashville That Nashville has become kind of a Hollywood light In a lot of ways And it's great, I'm just saying There's a lot of people in the music industry And if you're in the music industry And you're going to get people come up And ask you this and ask you that At home there ain't nobody in the music industry So there ain't nobody that has anything to ask of me Right That's where I'm comfortable Yeah, that's nice It's nice that someone's not trying to angle on you And just use you for something else Or get to this to you or connect themselves to you Or hit you There's so many social climbers And so many people that you know They've got a business they want you to invest in And yeah And that's what when I met you I met you the first time at two -step -in That festival north of Austin, back in April That's when Zach was playing Yeah, and I met you just real brief And like that was the last thing That I even wanted to come off That's why I was like real weird when I met you that first time Because it's like, hey man, it's nice to meet you I don't want to bother you I can only imagine what you run into on the day -to -day So yeah, it's just, it's nice back home I don't get that so much So yeah Yeah, it's an unfortunate aspect of the life that I have But this life is so fortunate in so many ways I'm so blessed, I'm so So extraordinarily lucky That's the complaint about that I mostly put it out there so people realize Like that's what that's something that comes with this And just you should know And if you're on that path too You want to be in show business, you want to be in entertainment Or if you just want to be successful I think in any business Like there's going to be people that They pretend when they're talking They don't really give a fuck about you They're not having a real conversation, they're angling They're just trying to work an angle They're just trying to like figure out a way to get close to you To get your number, to get an email address To talk to you about this or that And some people are terrible at it They're just like right away Like there's a thing that I love you to invest in So new startup that's like, I love to show you a doc No, bro Yeah, the currency of status Yeah, it's a yeah I had to have a conversation with a guy, he had a push And I go, hey man, I don't invest in anything I don't invest in nothing, I got nothing I have a guy who takes care of like financial stuff And as far as like me, like investing in businesses I do zero of that, I don't want to have nothing to do with that I don't, I don't want to, you don't even have to think about it Well, I'll think about it I will fucking think about it If I give you a bunch of money And I'm attached to this company, I'm hoping you run it right Like what are you crazy?

1:48:10You don't think I'm going to think about that? Of course I'm going to think about that Well, everything's going to be handled I don't do that, I don't do it Sorry, not interested Yeah, that's tough Yeah, and some people just don't want to take no for an answer They just keep coming back, and then you just got to like Okay, I guess I need a new phone number now Hmm, so how do you got the game? I have four phone numbers Yeah, I'm thinking about maybe switching And again, here we are like complaining about this stuff Listen, it's the smallest of things It's the smallest of things I always tell people that have too much work I go, listen man, the worst thing you can have is no work That's the worst thing To have too much work is so much better than have no work To be too busy is so much busy, it's so much worse than Or it's so much better rather than to wish that you were busy Yeah, yeah, yeah If you're too busy, you can back off a little bit You can take some decisions and go, you know what?

1:49:04I'm wearing myself out, I'm going to slow down a little I'm doing a little less of this, a little less of that And you'll be alright Yeah, there's something I was like I would kind of tell myself In the last handful of years I would say yes to Damn near everything Because like the story I was telling you about in 21 That's where I'm coming from So, you know You say yes So that you get to that point where you can say no Yes, for the long term Right And finally this year like, you know The quantity of shows is going to dial back a little bit You know, I've already said notice some things That I would have dreamed of Just having the opportunity to do in years past But, you know, it's more time You know, with my wife and my kids And, you know, doing my best to find that balance with the babies Do you take them on the road with you at all?

1:49:56Cherry Pick, some, you know, some good ones They're down here in Texas with me in October We did a green haul And we did that, the Texas Motor Speedway before that And so they came down for that weekend They were in Nashville with me in December But, you know, not all the time And yeah, I'm trying to balance that Yeah, you don't want to wear them out either Yeah, I don't want to wear them out And just trying to have some Keep some normalcy and routine in their life And hopefully, you know, trying to navigate those waters And, you know, with some math in my wife Like trying to balance that Yeah, there's like so many benefits To the life that you have But then there is that The time away You have been going hundreds of days a year for years Whew, that's hard That's hard Yeah, I mean, I've had these guys on that are WWE wrestlers And not only have they gone hundreds of days a year There's like some of them were doing 250, 260 days a year But they're also getting thrown on the tables 260 days a year They're getting piled -rived and fucking body slammed And like, imagine that and then you come home Every Monday and Friday Yeah And then like, you know, the two other ones in the week that aren't on TV Exactly It's like 52 weeks a year And you come home and your beat up and exhausted and broken And your backs in agony Your knees are all fucked up Yeah Yeah, that's another level Back to the paint pill thing Like the knees Oh yeah And things like that And all those guys And music too, a lot of folks The knees, neck and backs Oh sure, man I mean, that's how we lost both Prince and Tom Petty Lost them both of them defense and all You know Yeah It's a sad shit, man And with Prince It was just all that dancing And he apparently had a fucked up hip for a long time and he was in agony You know, and he just Doing all those moves all those years Show after show after show after show Yeah I'm from friends with Maynard from Tool And he had to get a fucking hip replacement From stomping Yeah It was always like stomping on stage when he was singing Yeah It blew his hip out If I keep going with my neck, I'll end up having You know, next stuff I already got this thing that I lay on 10 minutes a day At the end after show Is it decompresses all of it?

1:52:23What's going on with your neck right now? Yeah, it's just head banging and stuff like that What I'm playing shows Right, but is it fucked up? Yeah, good Nah, I don't... It's nothing serious Now, that's why, you know, maybe I need to adjust that And... How long are you in town for? I'm not leaving tomorrow And tomorrow... Or tomorrow morning, like later on the morning What time in the morning? What time is your foot? 9 .30 I want to see if I can get you into ways to well There's a stem cell clinic in Austin And they'll take care of you They'll shoot you up with stem cells in your neck You know, yeah I was trying to talk my dad into that My dad worked in the mines for 27 years Oh wow And, you know, he's 71 now And he's feeling all that So, where minor imperfections come from?

1:53:04Yeah, that's a great song Yeah, my buddy, Zach McCord and I wrote that for our dads That's a great song Yeah, both of our dads are minors And that was for him That's a great song Yeah Yeah, that work is fucking insane That works insane Yeah That's like when people... Man, we want to talk about the hard life That's the hard life Yeah Yeah, when my dad was my age From 27 to 30 He worked in 26 and a half inches of coal Shhh That's from Florida ceiling And it was for a small... So, you know, there's coal companies And then sometimes there would just be this guy That was a landowner back in the day That would get, you know, the right permits And stuff to be able to mind And see McCold want some property he bought And that's what the case was with...

1:53:53With, you know, that job that he had there for three years Was, it was like for a small like private mine They weren't using roof bolts Oh my gosh So he had cave -ends before Where he was digging his way Crawling on his belly trying to dig his way Oh my god Yeah, he did that for three years Oh my god, he had cave -ends like that? Yeah, that's complete... I mean, that never fly nowadays But my dad started in the... He was born in 53 So he was started in the early 70s And he went into the early 90s So he was at that unique time Where there was still some of that old time stuff And then, you know, it was transitioning Into the modern day minds, you know, today Where it's just underground cities Like, when he left, he was the long wall boss At federal number two for Consol And that was the biggest long wall in the world at the time And I mean, that mine It stretches like Over a hundred miles underground You know, it's from Western...

1:54:58It's like from Western Monk County To damn near the Ohio River Like... Really? Yeah, and that's a small... That's small to compare to what people are doing now Really? Oh, they got mines in like Utah Because of the elevation of the mountains They can almost... They can drive in To a seam of coal And automatically be like, you know, Already 10 ,000 feet underground Because of the height of the mountain above them And then it's like 16 foot seams of coal And stuff like that Things have gotten, you know The stuff that my dad started out in Is just a thing of the past So when your dad was doing it, he was...

1:55:41Would you say 27 inches? 26 and a half And so you're just on your back Chippin' coal out? No, they would have... I mean, they would have machinery They weren't doing that by hand So with machinery, though, you're crawling on your stomach? Yeah, crawling on your stomach And then how are you getting it out? Would have been conveyor belts or something Oh my god Yeah And you're just in that entire Includes environment Crawls... Yeah, I mean... All day long Yeah, I would be freaking out if it was that... Oh my god, and then you're dealing with caveans Yeah Oh my god Yeah I had no idea that there's mines that are that big That are a hundred miles Oh, yeah, they're huge Is there photos or videos of the counties?

1:56:25That sounds insane, I had no idea Yeah, they'll keep... Yeah, from what I understand, I think we got mines That start in western Monk County And go all the way to Wetzel County Like over close to the Ohio River Huge Wow And these massive ceilings And they have lights in there and everything? Yeah, you know, lights and guys can I imagine Pretty much stand up Have you seen those mines? I don't know how to all the scenic homes in it They've had fires in them since like the 50s Yeah, there's a town in Pennsylvania I think that There's like a before and after picture Because ended up one An old mine ended up catching fire And things still like smoking Toxic fumes Everybody had to move out of the town Yeah, like 50, 60 years later Yeah, it's still on fire to this day I'm just like, what?

1:57:18Okay How much coal's in there? Yeah The fires are too deep to burn And too hot to be fought effectively 250 years before what? However, experts believe the fires Under Centralia could burn Another 250 years For they exhaust the coal supply that fuels them Wow The fires are too deep and burn too hot to be fought effectively That's insane Jamie, if you would 1962 Wow Fact check me on like how long those mines can go I was just trying to figure out where should I look Where should I check for? Just be like Like long like biggest mines in the world Longest mines Just make sure I'm not talking out of my ass Well, it sounds like that Again, I'm a musician Very at least they're huge And just this is all in knowledge This is my dad's knowledge That I'm trying to spit back out Just make sure I'm not talking out of my ass The largest coal mine is 10 ,000 acres Whoa Yeah, it's pretty big, that's miles That's fucking huge 10 ,000 acres And it's a mine I hope that mine complex Holy shit, where's that?

1:58:29West Virginia I just kept in West Virginia I'm sure there's the bigger ones in Colorado I think They have footage of that?

1:58:39It's gonna be a lot underground Yeah, but I like to see it I just want to see what it looks like 10 ,000 acres of mines Holy shit, man That's incredible Yeah, they got some big ones out in Utah Alabama's got some big ones I think Drummer knows as well I would have never guessed I would have never guessed through that big underground That's a strip mine That's strip mines, that's different That's the like underground coal mine footage It's a hard life, man That's a hard life And in some places it's the only thing that's available Certain parts of the country Yeah, it was a great opportunity for my dad You know, it allowed him to You know, elevate himself economically Does he have lung problems because of it?

1:59:31No No, no he didn't No, he was I think starting in the early 70s I think they figured a lot of that out Oh yeah Yeah, I don't think it was as bad then as it was You know, back in the 50s Right Yeah, I don't think he has any Like Long -term issues You know, Sturgeon has a lot of people in his family That came from that too It's like there's That is just a different understanding Of hard work And of poverty too I mean, the people that When those mines shut down That's another sort of similar example Those mines, if they shut down The whole town relies on those mines And there's nothing Yeah, you got ghost towns in West Virginia Yeah, you got Do you ever read the book Rocket Boys No By Homer Hickam And then he made the movie October Sky About it.

2:00:30Do you ever watch that? No, what is it? Dude, it's an incredible Look at that machine, holy shit There you go What causes coal It's vegetation and pressure Over millions of years, isn't it? Is that what it is? Wow

2:00:54Wow, look at this fucking life, man Underground Just using machines to cut out chunks of the earth That people are going to light on fire And then most people want to ban that shit anyway But meanwhile, China, we're just Looking at how many Like when people are talking about We got to stop people from eating meat To save the planet, bitch You need to be attention to the world Because most of that shit's coming from China There's more than a thousand coal mines in China Yeah, there's more tonnage of coal being mine now than ever before And history Crazy, you know Yeah It's a complicated world with a lot of Like really narrow -minded narratives Like a lot of confusing things that people repeat That they don't really understand the whole depth To what they're saying Yeah, you could close down all the mines in the United States And that demand for that coal is still going to be there And it'll just get mine somewhere else Yeah That's not to say that maybe, you know, they'll come a day Where coal probably becomes a thing of the past And isn't used anymore, but Probably, you know, once they run out of it Once they run out of it, you know, they think it's something better But it's just, you know, it's just And then we're going to have to deal with earthquakes and sinkholes Because they're going to fucking carve these huge fucking pockets Yeah, pockets out of the earth And things are going to collapse Yeah, yeah, they, you know, at the end of the day If that's not going to, that's not going to solve the world's problems If they just shut all that down in the US overnight I watched a video of a coal mine collapsing in China And it was horrifying Met my friend Tom Siger and I We, uh, every day we sent each other worship We found on Instagram It's, it's very traumatizing It's like, I'll show it to you On my phone after the podcast is over You're going to go, what the fuck man, every day Every day we sent each other car accidents Gunshots, animal tax Over and over and every day Every day some new shit Yeah And, um, one of them was this Insane coal explode Does this is it?

2:02:58This is it So these people are working in this Oh my god Yeah, they just get engulfed Open pit coal mine collapsed Four people injured six Missing 49 others Yeah Just 53 folks They're dead, they might be missing their dead Massive landslide Wow Wow, that's right, and you're digging into the fucking ground And creating instability Scary shit Yeah Yeah, the people want to stop coal mining Like, yeah, I understand But you have to understand how much of that is going on Outside this country And we detailed that yesterday One to this sort of a deep dive on it Most of it is coming from China Most of it is China, and then second place is India The United States is minimal in comparison to what's going on over there And they're not going to stop They don't give a fuck They don't give a fuck about what you say about the environment Yeah, over there in Paris Like when they're all having that conference They don't give a shit about what they're saying And those things Well, it's just crazy when they're talking about climate change And then they cornered Bill Gates You fly here on a private jet It's like, yeah, I actually have one of the largest carbon footprints So you're a hypocrite What's your real angle here, buddy?

2:04:17You probably have a business that profits from people Deciding to take a green angle And that's really what's going on He's trying to push plant -based meat And bunch of other bullshit And that's why it's important for him to get that narrative out there about climate change Just like during the pandemic He was heavily invested in mRNA vaccines And then at the end, he bailed, he sold all his shares And then started talking shit Like, it wasn't as effective as we hoped Like, what about what you were saying in the beginning? When you were saying it was really effective Everyone needs to take it Remember that?

2:04:51Why is anybody listening to that guy, either, by the way, when it comes to public health You were one of the least fucking healthy people alive As far as people at his age, he looks way older than he should look He's got a pop belly, he looks like shit Yeah, looks like total shit Yeah, and that, I mean that vaccine thing, that was a You know, I had to get that, I had to show that to play my shows Yeah, in 21 And you know, I felt like I had to do it in order to work A lot of people did A lot of my friends did, they did it because they had to People were coerced and then it didn't even work Then it ended up getting it Yeah, of course And you know, it was fine It was like a cold for a little bit Yeah, it wasn't what we were feared What we were afraid of And then you realize like, oh, there's a lot of There's a lot of motivation that they have to get a shit out of you Because that's how you'll do it Remember when the White House, this is during Omicron Which is like the most mild version of COVID It was basically just a mild cold For most people, especially healthy people And the White House Put out a release That said, for the vaccinated people You've done your job For the unvaccinated people You're looking at a winter of severe illness and death Yeah Where did that come from?

2:06:16They're cunts, that's what it came from You're a bunch of cunts And it's not even true It wasn't even true I mean, the number of people that are dying from COVID now Like the CDC is like, we need to get People need to get vaccinated The COVID deaths are up No, they're not Go look, they're really low They're super low And by the way, those people that are dying They're in terrible shape They're not doing good already And most of the people that died Even during the pandemic It was someone in the range of 90 % of the people That died Had an average of four comorbidities Four things that were killing them And then COVID got them And then also, there was the thing Where the hospital had an incentive To say that So and so died from COVID Yeah My friend's grandpa Had some horrible disease And he didn't have COVID And when he died He died in a nursing home They listed him as a COVID death And he was furious He's like, he didn't have fucking COVID, man They didn't even test him for COVID But they listed him as a COVID death Exactly, there was a financial incentive To list people as COVID deaths Yeah And that's how you inflate the numbers And that's how you motivate people to take that vaccine It's wild, man It's wild what they pulled off There's a lot of goofy shit And that year, year and a half, two years Scary what happened My wife and I talked about it And we drew the hard line with our children You know, we weren't going to do that Good for you Good for you Because my kids were being pressured By some of their families' friends Like their families Like their kids were getting it And their families were wondering why my kids weren't getting it I'm like, hey, man, you can go fuck yourself This shit's all totally experimental And by the way, the early data Very early on, it was shown That it's not dangerous for kids Both of my kids got it and it was nothing I mean nothing They've had flus that knocked them on their ass And this was nothing like that It was very mild for the kids Yeah Yeah, you know, we're just fine With 10 counties saying my kids Shit it out in a day Dude You know, obviously I experienced the backlash And the wildest way Because I got healthy quick They came for it But they came for me in a way that was so stupid It was such a checkers move It was such a dumb move Like because you're going after a guy for taking a medication that worked Yeah By the way, it was one medication Amongst many medications that I said I took And here I am Three days after this thing that's supposed to kill you I'm 55 I'm not young And but I'm healthy And I work out all the time And I take a lot of vitamins and I'm always fit And I got over it quick I'm saying sorry, I can't make the dates It was about a concert that I was supposed to do with Chappelle We were doing shows that weekend Like we got to move the shows, sorry I got COVID I'm fine now Three days ago I got it And then they, whoa He's taking veterinary medicine It's like that's when you get to see how corrupt the media is That they're all on CNN And MSNBC and all these different shows Lying Straight up lying I didn't take horse dewormer I took human Ivermectin That I got from a doctor Yeah A doctor that by the way They have prescribed that medication Over like what three billion times For who knows how many people all over the world It's on the World Health Organization list of essential medicines Big range of things I imagine you got good doctors I got good doctors that are objective That really understand health And they're not just about injecting you with shit They're about staying healthy all the time I mean I've been preaching the value Of a healthy lifestyle Healthy diet and vitamin supplementation Forever So when I get sick I get it over it quick If I got sick at all The only reason I got sick was I was out my friend John Schoeman Who's a shout out to my friend John Who is a pool queue manufacturer And I love this dude And he makes some of the best pool queues in the world And I was in Florida So I got a chance to see him I mean we played pool till like Fucking 330 in the morning And I had like five margaritas That's why I got sick Yeah we get that run down And I was after a show So I did a show at an arena in Florida So people are screaming So it's like 15 ,000 people And I'm in the round And they're laughing so it's like So they're just a COVID spray And you're getting rained on by droplets Was a hot word there for a couple of years And I was still fine I was still fine until I got drunk I mean I was at the end of the night I was pretty tired I was just beating up From playing pools of 330 in the morning And then we were drinking And the next day I was like God am I hungover?

2:11:10I feel like shit And then it hit me I did a show the next night With COVID no problem Killed at a great time Yay see you guys And then on the way home I was like man I feel like shit And then I called my wife I was like I might have it I feel kind of shitty Then I woke up in the morning I was sweating, I had to fever I was like got tested, got positive Got all the meds, got the iv vitamins The next day I was like oh Feel pretty good And then the day after that I made that video I was like yeah I'm alright And then they came for me I was like wow you corrupt cock suckers You don't give a shit about health If you did you would be saying Hey look This guy who's not young Who got COVID and is not vaccinated Got over it pretty quickly So look there's maybe it's not as bad as we think it is Or maybe it's not as bad as you're fit And healthy Or maybe there's some other options Other than just taking this experimental medication It's never been mass injected Into hundreds of millions of people in this country Yeah But no they were all corrupt Because they're all a part of this industry That was relying on the advertising revenue From the pharmaceutical drug industry And they were all in the pocket Oh yeah they jumped in Dirty people, man Dirty, dirty monsters Yeah they came for it And you know most folks around the country You know a lot of folks They don't speak publicly on it But they saw that and knew exactly what it was Well they killed their credibility They're going for Joe And then just kept you know Moved on and never tuned in anyways to watch them Well there's a lot of people now that will watch Those news reports on things Especially medical things And go hmm How much you tell them the truth How come you guys are ignoring all the deaths How come you guys aren't talking at all about the vaccine deaths How come you guys aren't talking at all About the all -cause mortality spike That's unprecedented How come you're not talking about that?

2:13:04Are you guys the news? Are you guys some corporate mouthpiece For some company that pays you Exorbitant amounts of money to push their shit Because that's what it seems like And if that's the case Somebody should probably step in and regulate you cock suckers Yeah I was, I just watched the That the Netflix sort series on The painkiller Oh my god it's amazing I just saw that and you know I affected West Virginia big time Big time But I didn't you know And there was a dramatization Of kind of the The bullet points of what happened there That was yeah it's a broken system Well they're monsters man They don't care about death They care about profit And that is their business Their business is making money I mean there's the people that make the medication And their business is just to make effective medication They're scientists And then there's the people that are just money people And they're just their businesses to sell it And sell it as hard as they can And their incentivize Especially the Sackler family I mean that family is still not in jail How they not in jail And they spent six they gave up Six billion dollars to try to avoid prosecution But then the Netflix special The series came out And when that series came out I believe there was a judge That put a hold On the decision to allow them to have immunity And they're like hang on Hang the fuck on What did you do And when you see what they did You know I had Peter Bergon Who made that series He's amazing and he explained it What they did And you know he went into Even more depth you know like things He couldn't cover in the in the series And it's it's terrible It's terrible awful evil demonic behavior That's that off a chain reaction That affected a whole generation And so many people died But the people that didn't die How many lives are ruined?

2:15:01I in my family I have people whose lives were ruined Multiple people in my immediate And my close family And my connected family You know I know many people Who just got devastated by that shit And they're still struggling to this day Yeah Try to get off of it Yeah that's the kids that grew up in migraine We lost I think one or two to a couple of accidents And then one to cancer And then the rest are all As a result of that It's ended up OD Do you ever see there's a real good documentary on Huntington West Virginia I think it's called heroin No And it's just like following around the fire chief Of like Huntington And she's just going around just This is just like a day in the life And she's just going from person to person You know Apartment to house Just either saving somebody Or finding somebody too late Just all day It's incredible They did a good job of like showing the reality of it And what it does If you talk to EMT That shit is happening all over the country All over the country right now Still to this day And now unfortunately It's harder for people to get the real pills So now they're getting this This cartel shit It's lace with fentanyl And they're all the fucking dying left and right So many people are dying It's parents worse nightmare Oh my god it's so scary man You know at my comedy club We had to start carrying Narcan You know So one of our security guys Made it imperative to get Narcan To make sure that you know Like we should have that on Fortunately we haven't had to use it We haven't had anybody overdose during a show But we did have a lady go into a K -hole She's taking ketamine This is ketamine for whatever This fucking people that are recreationally taking This insane Drug which is You can order that on Amazon Can you?

2:17:03I think so I think you get that on Amazon It's wild I don't know if they do I'm pretty sure it's It's so potent man Get it like a vitamin And so they're doing like this nasal spray Oh my god People are doing nasal spray And it's legal In some weird way It's therapy Get me therapy He's getting blasted with ketamine all day I know people that are claims sober But they're in therapy And they take ketamine for therapy But you are not sober You're cated up all day long And it's part of a different way I have friends that love it They love it I'm like get that shit away from me John Lilly the guy who invented the sensory deprivation tank Have you ever used one of those?

2:17:48No We have one here I'd be interested to check that out It's by itself without ketamine It's really great You don't really need ketamine But John Lilly used to do it with intramuscular ketamine So he would inject his thigh With a blast of ketamine And lie down And just Go into this other dimension And communicate with beings And you know it's like Whatever the fuck happens when you take ketamine And meanwhile people are doing this regularly At a comedy show Out of the show And this lady just fell down And just blacked out in the middle of the show And everyone's like What is she on? What is she on?

2:18:29And the boy friends She's in a K -hole in the middle of a comedy show Probably about Dunkin's on stage Which is ironic Man I love Dunkin's cartoon It was amazing I don't know how the fuck they cancelled that Me and my bandmates like that Adventure time He did a monologue I can't remember what it was Adventure time was like the same guy who did it Also did Adventure time The night gospel Thank you Oh my god Dunkin's the best And the cartoon just follow his monologue Yeah It was great Yeah no it's incredible He's like I said he's such a unique guy And when he moved here I was so happy I was so happy and he's so happy too You know Austin such an amazing place You made it like It's like It's like the center of comedy Yeah we When we built the mothership that was the goal I never thought it would work as well as it did It was just kind of like let's try Let's give it a shot We're here I'm not moving And I got out of California and I'm like I'm not going back Every I've got out of California Early I saw the writing on the wall in May of 2020 So the the country shut down in March And I was like wow you know two weeks The you know flat in the curve And then when it was like a month later I was like what the fuck is going on I'm always distrustful of authority And I'm always distrustful of narratives I just I don't There's just too much bullshit in the world And I've read too many books Yeah I've been I was being exposed to too many conspiracies I went too far down the JFK rabbit hole And the 9 -11 rabbit hole And the fucking NDAA And the fucking The Patriot Act And I'm friends with Alex Jones Right?

2:20:18So what's the fucking thing My head is filled with conspiracies You know with all this Epstein shit Alex Jones taught me about that A long time ago He's telling me about that And I was like come on man You're telling me there's an island Where they take elites And they film them having sex with kids He was right about that one He was 100 % right about that Yeah He's right about most things Alex is just unfortunately He occasionally Goes down the wrong road And he did with Sandy Hook And so people always point to that But he's a human being Human beings make mistakes And he made a horrible mistake with that But he's right way more than he's wrong And he's right about all of this shit He was telling me about the world economic form A long time ago I'm like what power do they have What are they going to do And now you see these fucking people Like you own nothing and you'll be happy Like what Yeah that European guy We have a photo of him in the bathroom That's kind of bad I haven't seen that We got a photo of him with the full Darth Vader's garb on He's literally telling you what he is At every step he's talking like this It's like it's too much on the nose Like if he was a bad guy in a movie You would be like that's too caricature -ish No one knows It's going to be that obvious Dress up like Darth Vader Talking to German accent And then try to control the world To get everybody to give up their cars And eat bugs And he's like a villain in a comedy Amazing You know that goes back to like the Bill Gates thing too Where he's jetting around But then he's preaching to you You know you should do this You shouldn't do this That doesn't apply to me though He's preaching about health This folks are a big fan of that aren't they Yeah they're a big fan of that A big fan of the doesn't Yeah meanwhile they were all eating meat Like one of the reports of the people that went to this thing They're at this conference they're all eating chicken and steak And they're talking about how people need to stop eating meat Like what the fuck are you saying This is all bullshit This is all just control So the Oliver Anthony song That's what it is He's a great example too That guy's first gig that he ever did Was in front like 14 ,000 people Did it like a farmer's market Incredible The state fair I think it was Like a farmer's market Yeah I think it was like a farmer's market Yeah Jamie was telling me about that He said when he heard about that He got over there to try to You know protect him From what he knew was coming his way Yeah I helped him too I got him on the phone early on He was like well people are telling me That I should sign this and say I go listen to me man Don't sign shit If they're doing that they're just trying to catch you when you're vulnerable They're trying to catch you when you're vulnerable And they're trying to lock you up with some sort of a contract It's like well people are saying that if I don't act now No no no no no I go listen man you got talent You're fucking talented You ain't got to do shit You're gonna be fine You got talent people love you You don't have to do shit You don't have to sign shit You don't want anybody controlling you If they're giving you a million dollars Or five million dollars That means they think they can make 10 or 20 And they're gonna make it off of you More than that And you're gonna be the one that gets fucked Don't do it You're the one with talent You don't need anybody man You already got through People already realize That rich man from Richmond Richmond North of Richmond That song is so goddamn good People heard that song and they're like holy shit Yeah connected Connected Dude with a guitar When you got 10 ,000 folks that will come see anywhere you're at You don't need anybody You don't need nobody You don't want any weasels and vampires Like Zack's song Cold damn cold vampires Yeah yeah yeah Love that song That's the thing man finding the right people To work with It's honestly The biggest pieces of the puzzle If you find good people To surround yourself with One hundred percent Good people in the business aspect too I've had the same manager since I was an open micer I've had the same manager for 35 years It's amazing 34 years?

2:24:3634 years I think That's the best case scenario I've been doing comedy two years when I met that dude Yeah, rather than having like the The Cooked Up Manager that's like Oh don't worry about your taxes I'll take care of that Exactly Exactly Yeah There's a wide There's a wide spectrum And you find yourself with good people And that's Half the battle That's having good people around you And you know I can I just met all of a real brief Backstage at the opera just one night Just at high So I don't know him but I can only imagine what He's going to be fine as well He's a good dude He's a good solid dude He's going to be fine Of hung out with him He went to the mothership And when Thompson Girl was there He went up on stage And performed in front of everybody And they went nuts They went nuts It was beautiful It was beautiful No one expected it You know, Tom got off stage He was like, I don't want to bring somebody up And brings up all over Anthony Yeah, they went nuts He's fucking living it man It's happening, what a dream I mean this guy was like selling farm equipment You know Seven months ago And now he's a giant superstar But he's a cool mother fucker He's a genuine nice guy And he's really gotten into the Bible And that's what's really crazy This guy was like Smoked too much weed, drink it all the time Waste in his life And then Has this like epiphany of like giving his life to Christ And then Within weeks His this song comes out Within weeks And all of a sudden he's fucking huge It's like he did this thing Where it's so cliché It's like in the movie Like I'm going to change my ways And change my life And then it all happens right after that Like it's hard to know what to believe in But it's hard not to believe When something like that happens You tell me that's a coincidence Are you fucking sure it's a coincidence Because I'm not I'm not sure Seems like he's kind of like a messenger Like something connected in him Like whatever you want to say Whatever name you want to attribute to it Whether it's God Whether it's love Whether it's the universe Whatever it is Something got inside of him And he changed his life And he changed his mind And then he started changing the world Yeah Yeah You always also you got to be Be aware of anybody that says they know There's nothing Yeah You know what I mean We don't know there's nothing Nobody knows It's faith It's either faith or don't have faith But nobody knows But also you can't dismiss Positive experiences You just can't Who the fuck knows What happens when you die You do not know And then when you think about Like the history of the Bible And you think about the history of the human race That the human race was essentially Almost wiped out somewhere around 12 ,000 years ago Well these stories all come from before that These stories were all oral traditions They're all so they're so similar to Like the stories of 6 ,000 years ago Like the epic of Gilgamesh It's so similar to the story of Noah and the Ark There's so many stories They're just like there's got to be something to this stuff Yeah It's coming from something It's coming from something And there's so many parts of it that resonate with people still In their core Like when they think about When they have feelings of love And companionship And they see beauty in the world And they have these moments They said, God damn I know there's something I don't mean to say God damn there But damn it I know there's something there I'm connected to something There's something there Yeah then I have faith And go to church And I think it helps me It helps me navigate And I'm not pretending to know anything That's for sure But I choose to partake A lot of the people that I know That choose to partake And choose to behave in a way that is inspired by that Live beautiful lives I think there's something to that Yeah Yeah if you're coming from a place to love And just trying to be the best you Yeah Who's that hurt?

2:29:06That's exactly what I feel Can we leave on one of your songs? Sure Okay let's say which one Let me think Minor impressions Minor imperfections Let's leave on that one That's a beautiful song Because we've been talking about minors Yeah Let's leave on that Can you play that Jamie And we'll wrap this bad boy up Tell everybody how to get a hold of you Social media website Yeah Charles Wesley Godwin My website, Charles W. Godwin Has everything Anybody want to find all the dates All the social media The albums and Do you have any dates coming up in Texas anytime soon? Oh I think I'm Think I'm down here With Luke San Antonio And August we're playing whatever The football stadium is down there Oh cool Yeah I'm one of Luke Luke comes as openers this summer I love that dude too He's awesome He's awesome We played a show way back before He was even there Oh sorry Jamie I just kept rambling Let it go

2:30:16I wouldn't leave you with this ladies gentleman Much love to everybody Bye Thanks for having me on man

2:30:35I didn't get it Then every day that man would fight To punch the clock And make it home alive He's got minor imperfections To blame it on his roots The calluses on his hands Caught us on his roots He's not a world for conversation When there's work to do That boss then get paid in cash Company scripts news MCD folks would shame on me if he let them But he's proud of his minor imperfections

2:31:29Me losing by and I grew up Miss Brown hair faded white He's somehow picked up every