#2086 - Jim Norton

36:45They're like there's no audience. I go. There's no audience at all No, no one and then at that moment a couple walked up and they said oh could we get tickets to the show? And they said sure and so they they got them and Bobby went and sat him down Ladies and gentlemen welcome to danger fields they sat down and it was just them Yep, and we all did a show for two fucking people like five comics to the show for two people Yeah, I've done that before too where they there was even times they would have you go up there And if nobody was in the in the place they wouldn't let you leave until your spot was over for that exact reason If somebody came in I've been on there with two people before Weird right you think New York City everything's packed Yeah, people that don't live in New York there's so many different things to do so the point is Dice chose those days.

37:30Yeah to go up like a Sunday in a Monday I think it was where he goes up and records this fucking double album and it's insanity and it's a really great comedy album Like it's great to watch this guy just working through material to watch where he goes He's unafraid of of hitting and missing like it was really it's one of my favorite things anybody has ever done Is David David part two is great too if you ever heard part two what's part two day left at I part two He did another one he did another one where danger fields I believe it was danger fields he went in there again and did it I also forgot about it.

38:04It might have been a single album I don't remember but that was just as ridiculous as the first one absolutely ridiculous and hilarious But it's amazing that He did he had the confidence to do that. Yeah This is what you have to understand like when you're just starting to make it You're so fixated on making sure that it doesn't fall apart It was so hard to attain and then all of a sudden you're you've made it and You want to just do the best show every time and instead his instinct is to just do something completely ridiculous Yeah, you're terrified of it then it being taken away Yeah, like a little bit of success I'm like what am I gonna do this gonna fuck this up with?

38:46They're gonna realize I don't deserve this success and take it right and he just didn't care like he just was this is what he Wanted to do and this was what he went and did just so nutty what a fucking nutty move He's very underrated like his people dismissed him because of a lot of the language and the jokes But he is very underrated with his commitment to doing something different like that album is different for a comic to do this She does an Instagram. It's different No one else is doing that and to see the thing is like the thing that people criticized him for was first of all There was one thing and that was that his comedy was It wasn't I think something you can criticize But then it was his comedy was different because everybody knew the jokes and they wanted to hear him Yeah, it's the only time ever what's in the bowl bitch.

39:28Oh The whole audience is doing it with him like they know the punch line and they're so pumped When he goes hit go read that go read doctor There's no other comedy like that. No, no literally didn't exist before that That kind of comedy where the audience wants to repeat it with you like a song Yeah, there's bits people like but no like like I had like a rock star fucking like it's like welcome to the jungle effect on people Yeah, which I can't think of any other stand -up. It's ever had that never So the guy goes from that To doing this yeah, volunteer do those shows He still packs them in yeah, he wants to do a live show.

40:07He can pack them in that's not what it is It's like Dispissar guy likes to wear gigantic grandma glasses. Yeah, yeah, and giant hoodies and make people super uncomfortable Yeah, just act weird. It's the funny part of dice to me besides the jokes is the fact that like when you're with him Like he likes wearing giant Comfy hoodies and like he likes he always gets a sore throat And he's got to put a little honey in it, you know, and he's like my aunt like people have no idea He's going the road. I'm like, ah, it's gonna be nothing but pussy and then we're in the hotel And he's like, oh my throat's bothering me and he would have Kenny put the fucking pillow over his ass and Strattle him on the bed and massage him and I had to just sit there and watch him get a back rub I was hoping to go out and get laid But he would always put the fucking the pillow over his ass so there was no contact and have yeah have come so to Kenny or happy face Massage him but I've said this before so I love him like he really he changed my life and I was just you know again 1997 he took me on the road and it just it built my confidence and It did it didn't so much for me at that part of my career So I love Andrew like he changed everything for me.

41:15I love him too And I was when I used to talk to him with the commister a part of my brain was always like I can't even believe I'm really talking at dice clay. This is so strange Is that of those guys from that day? I that era the only guys that are really left are like Dom I rare of course who I was always friends with but Kinnison Was gone did you know him? No never met him saw him live a couple of times. Yeah Saw Hicks live a couple times never really met him said hi to him when I was an open -micro But never met you know never had a conversation with him but having to see Kinnison live And unfortunately I saw Kinnison live when it had already kind of fall apart right like Kinnison You go to like 86.

41:57I think Kinnison's like one of the greatest comics of all time If not number one he was so original so dynamic so powerful that HBO special What does it have you seen me lately is that what it was? I don't remember the name of it. It's not the danger field one. You mean the one the hours There's the the album that was a that was released. It was called louder than hell. That's really hard to get And then there was the HBO special which I think it was heavy seen me lately like it was like a play on the Carton of milk with a missing kid Things That one's amazing that one's amazing. I still a year later Unfortunately, you got to think it took so many years to develop that material Yeah, and then a year later he's touring with new material and it's not he's not developing in in a club Right like he developed all the other stuff.

42:46He's developing in front of large audiences that came to see him So it becomes character to cherish comes very cartoonish Yeah, it's like someone's got doing an impression of what Sam Kinnis and we'll talk about yeah Because you don't have time to develop it all of a sudden. There's that pressure to keep it going I saw I met him once but we never we had to talk for like five minutes It was an open mic at rascals in New Jersey and they brought him out to talk to some of the newer comics And I saw I saw him live that night and I saw him live another night and like you didn't know what you were gonna get like one night He was on fire and I mean he was just be fucking blew the roof off and then the next time He was kind of hung over and you know kind of slug it, you know, yeah, well that's what you're gonna get with a guy like that Yeah, I wish I would have known him though like I it's such a shame he died when he did I'm glad I got to see him but he was a guy I never got to know and I wish I'd I never been Bill Hicks I never met never saw live.

43:37Yeah, it would have been nice to met him I mean like I said I got to see him live. I think I saw him three times I definitely saw him twice because I saw him once when I worked at this place I worked at great woods and he came out there to perform and I watched him there once and then the other and that was I was 19 and then and the other time I watched him I was on a date So I took a date with me and I think I was 20 or 21. Did she like him? No, yeah, no, it wasn't a good show It was weird It was like the show that we went to was that like some Casino place and like New Hampshire or something like that I think things fell off quick with him in terms of the quality of comedy like like I say I when he was at his best.

44:25He's one of my all -time favorites I think the guy was a monster But if you go and listen to some of the stuff that he released before he died it was really bad He was just flat wasn't a kind of like it was when he started wearing like the hat like a different hat sideways and kind of like a Satin jacket like a rock and roll stock and I think it was just being tired That's what I think I think it was the parting so if you're looking at a guy that's already out of shape He's already overweight and now he's doing a lot of blow So he's just getting wrecked every night and he's drinking every night so every day his already Be siege to body.

45:01Yeah is exhausted with chemicals and then on top of that He's got this adoring fan base. It'll come to see him no matter what and he's hanging out with Bon Jovi and rock stars And my crew and he's the man like you're not gonna go I got to get back to my roots and get to the comedy store at 11 p .m And work out this new joke that I'm working on it's like you're already You're already there because you're living the life that you fought to get like once you get to a place It's kind of hard to go. I right now. I got to go back into the I almost said into the gym But you know I have to go back and start this shit again You want to just enjoy what you got there wasn't really a whole crop of people that got really Famous and then continued to tour and get better like there are now I think back then guys got to like n hbos special and maybe they would get a second and the only exception to that would be like George Carlin like George Carlin was always putting out stuff But most of them it was like the first one's really good and that's the one you break out with and the ones afterwards drop off But the best example that in my opinion is kinesan was that his hour or is that danger feels?

46:10Yeah That's back when we were a time remember yeah, oh my god. It was good. Yeah, that was such a little volume. James great first appearance. Oh So good Going around the country. I'm trying to get as many people as I can not to get married Promise never to get married. I've been married and I'm just trying to help Here's never been married You never married What's your name? Michael For Michael if you ever think about getting married if you ever think you've met the right woman you want to settle down change your life You do me a favor, mate. Remember this face You get married Mike that's gonna be your fucking face And The face of every man And the fact that that guy was a preacher yeah, I go back and find some of his old stuff I've listened to his old is like a little bit of his old sermons on if you look Yeah, and you could hear like he legitimately was good at it and like yeah, that's why he's such a good talk Or like you watch him talk just calm I was just noticing how calm he is when he's talking no overselling and then he's screaming He could go from zero to a hundred immediately.

47:25He was amazing But then he got way fatter Yeah, he was drinking and party and all the time and the later material just look how much Fat he got I mean he's got huge. I don't know how guys do it like I see guys that drink now I don't know how the fuck guys function well They don't getting fucked up when he was that big like that kinesan that kinesan was just not good on stage And if you go and listen to those like that's what like that picture's perfect. Yeah, see that how tired he looks there Yeah, he's big and fat and tired and he's covered in chains and crazy rock and roll garb with a band -a -man Yeah, the whole thing's ridiculous.

48:01Yeah, it's a ridiculous look It's ridiculous to be that fat like the whole thing's ridiculous You've gone off the rails are you're into the woods as a comic I find that I never want to think like I never want to convince myself that I'm fucking cool or that I'm sexy Like I you know, I mean that's a me of the death knell for comedians when you start to think that an open Invest on stage is a great idea Like stop thinking you're sexy like that to me is I've never been tempted to think that but you know what I mean like It's always like remember who you are as a person don't start ever thinking because you have fans That you're this larger than life guy, you know It's just you got to stay grounded or you're gonna really fall into kind of that type of a trap Well, I tell it's also like for a woman.

48:48I mean how many women Dress sexy on stage and a really well Natasha legit. Jare pulls it off Now how many other women Dress like hot on stage and you stand up most of them they kind of like Whitney will dress down Yeah, you know most of them dress down. They wear like slacks and a jacket and a shirt or something They're something comfortable. Yeah, they're not trying to look hot Yeah, I find like when I see good looking people on stage if I think someone is naturally like that's how that person dresses But like you said if it feels genuine if it doesn't feel genuine if I feel like someone is trying to sexy it up on stage Mail or female.

49:23I don't like it like I just it's a different emotion for me And maybe if I had any sex appeal I would do it Yeah, it's a different amount it's it count you get something different than you're getting funny Yeah, so they you're not getting funny out of that you're getting something different and now you have to you can Might add funny to it, but it might be taking away from funny with this like extra effort that you put in to looking hot Yeah, like and I may again, I can only look at my own Self image and it's like I've never thought of myself that way so it's never been tempting for me So maybe if it was tempting or if I had like a half a fuck ability I might like want to do that But it's never been how I saw myself so it's never been tempting to even think that way Well used to be also that a lot of people would dress that way because what they were really trying to do is get a sitcom That was the big thing right like there was like if you dress sexy on stage or you dress hot or attractive on stage It was what you were trying to do is they're trying to like Convey your comedy success into the big prize.

50:20Yeah, which is you could be signed failed Or you could be Roseanne or you that was that was our thing when we were coming up like when a guy like when I remember when Greg Gerardo got his show Everybody's like wow Greg's got his own shows like that with that was the ultimate brass ring and yeah You know and and also we all knew that only a certain percentage of those actually lasted and you know stayed on the air a few years Most of them they kind of went away quick and then it became a problem because then the stink on you a failure So you really had this like one shot as a rookie. Yeah, and to get and so everybody was like trying to like put together almost an audition tape Seven minutes set that told a story Yes, my story was never TV friendly blinks a lot in like prostitutes.

51:01That was never like She almost like blankies cost me in this business How many fucking auditions I've gone on? I'm like, why didn't I get that it was good? I realize oh, it's just I'm uncomfortable to look at but that's what I was saying earlier said I don't think we should think of our business as being connected to show business anymore It's just it's such a different thing. Yeah, especially what you and I do because we mostly just talk Yeah, right? So you and I mostly just talk on podcasts or on radio shows So we all vote was done. It's like our thing is so different than the thing of this manufactured image that you're putting in television shows and Hi, the kind of people you're hired for innerdame and news and all that kind of shit Like these this is a different kind of business that they're in than us.

51:44Yeah, it's something I've always kind of felt like not I don't mean an outsider in some dark way I've just felt like that's not the path for me Me neither at one point I would have loved to have done it But I they they just there was never any desire from them I always felt rejected by it very very early on so you kind of like realize that's never gonna be Thank God for radio like thank God for fucking dice and for opian Anthony like that's obviously my career has been made on Was those things and none of them were the quote unquote the business or television? I did all that stuff though I did the business stuff.

52:15I did television. I did sitcoms. I did I Literally have done most things. I started off at doing a sitcom I did a sitcom. I went to a game show was on a TV game show I went to sports commentary I did the commentary for the UFC. I've done all these things but The you have seen is the most freeing because it's really just something that I love and I just get to describe it and talk about it but the other ones like they're just jobs like this even a even a sitcom as fun as it is It's amazing to be able to work with cool and talented people, but You're working for a network. You're working for the production company You're engaged in some weird politics to make sure you get favorable Placings in the lineup on Tuesday night or Thursday night.

53:03Hopefully Thursday Maybe after sign felled if you're lucky like there was like this weird Aspect to creating these shows you're dealing with executives It would give you notes that made no sense like they have creative input and they're not particularly creative It's a job. Yeah, and it's different than what we do in that we do We're just so whether it's do your stand -up work through podcasts. You're so free You can kind of talk about anything imagine if there was no show like opian Anthony and You came to them. He said I have this thing I want to talk about it's called monster rain Yeah, I'd like you guys to fund it We're gonna talk about Prostitutes I'm gonna talk about the times I blew my friends.

53:44Yeah, and they like get the fuck out of here That's it was monster rain. I'd say no no no the advertisers are gonna love it We were seven and we traded sucks That's the hard that's a hard sell on television trading sucks You mentioned being in the room with those people and then thinking there's any hope of this guy making it in show business Yeah, I mean the way thank God for these ways around like you know again radio embraced doing what you want to do and talk you Slow news days Where the thing that's where your personal life comes out We give a four or five hour radio show and it's a slow news day and there's nothing to hit on everyone just starts spilling their guts Yeah, you have to talk and that's where a lot of that stuff came out slow news days Well, it's so we got very fortunate in the timeline and which we came along right because what happened was you got guys like Don I miss who kind of started it all right He starts just commentary and talking shit on the radio and he's a wild man and a bad boy and then Howard's turn It takes it to a completely different level then Howard's turn takes over radio all over the country and then Opian Anthony comes along and opian Anthony is the next stage because they have a different Perspective on how to do a show.

54:54Yeah, it's a hang. Yeah, so you go in there and with us especially with comics We would just go in there and hang yeah, that was all it was you go in there and hang out in the studio and everybody was cool And it was fun yeah, and that led the way to podcasts because they went to XM So then they go to XM now you could swear yeah, so now we're doing ONA with swearing and we're you know You could tell crazy stories and then that goes into podcasting. It's like we came along as all these doors were opening like we hit every green light Yeah, yeah, absolutely I didn't get into pop I mean I wish I had one obviously now I do I look back on it but my contract doesn't allow for it It may have early on before they knew what podcasting before the company you a podcasting would be but you know I for the last X amount of years I haven't been allowed to do my own but you're still doing the same thing Yeah, still talking it's still the same thing you're just doing it for a different company You're doing it for serious, but if it's the same thing as doing a podcast you're doing it just like ONA did it when they went to serious Or like anybody else would if you're if you're just doing a show that you're putting together yourself Yeah, just talking I mean look I do the UFC podcast with Matt like even that I love like it We're talking specifically about one thing.

56:05Yeah, but it's how much fun I get to hang out with Matt Sarah who's a fucking hilarious He's so funny and talk to people I like like you know what I mean like it's just it's a great Life like when I look at it like I'm like I get to do exactly what I want to do It's everything I've always wanted which was just to not have a schedule that I presented yeah, and also again This is not that other business we talk about the business is so phony the business as full as shit Yeah, that's a different business. I don't think we're in that business anymore There's a few of us that still act and do stuff But if you look the vast majority of comics today and like what business are they engaging in they're doing engaging the business of live shows and podcasts Yeah, primarily I have no desire to act like that that's another thing too people be like they see us on YouTube And like these situations are set up as if you've ever seen be act like you really think I could pull that off I stink at it like I don't enjoy acting unless it's something I really like and I'm so happy I don't have to worry about getting on TV again I will probably never get another acting gig on TV and that's fine.

57:03I don't really want to do it It's the time involved in doing something like this. You can't do everything You know, I would love to do everything if I had multiple different lives that I could live simultaneously I'd have a ton of different careers because I'm fascinated by a lot of different things But you don't have that much time in the world right and if you want to act acting It's like 16 hour days multiple days and rolling if you enjoy that that's great I don't I don't enjoy that process. I had a hard it's I think it's harder than stand up for me Obviously because you can't address when it's not going well like if I'm having a shit set I can immediately address it and let them know and if it's if I think it's their fault like we're all gonna have a rotten night I'll make it miserable But in an acting scene is like you just have to redo it where you can't break it and go this fucking sucks these jokes are not good What do we this is poor writing you have to just kind of muscle through it and smile and I just I've never been good at that It's not because I don't I have so much integrity.

58:00I'm just not good at it like I just I wish I was better at it It's also you'd be better at it if you were really interested in it. Maybe yeah I'm just too self -conscious like I'm self -conscious around my friends I'm always it's the thing that makes I hate the most always self -conscious and I don't know why But when I acted comes out like it's just it's obvious, you know, you can't hide that on camera Yeah Boy imagine if you like put all your fucking eggs and sit con basket I tried at one point, you know early on I was like Like trying to be like try to get the seven minutes that I thought they would want everybody wants the big deal in Montreal Not sure you all rejected me for a decade and when I finally get up there no one gave a fuck like you know the business It has never been the path.

58:43I thought I was gonna take ever they've never wanted me and I accept that It's just very bizarre that something so beloved like an American institution which was the you know the three camera sitcom Yeah, multi -camera sitcom within front of a live audience. It doesn't exist anymore I think it's a miss Pat only I don't think anybody she's the only one that I know of it's doing I'm sure there's probably a couple other than I'm just not aware of but she's the only one in terms of comics that are starring And say come that I'm aware of it used to be it was a ton of them and I would have thought that as the more entertainment venues opened up meaning more networks like when we were kids when we were first Starting out in show business.

59:23There was only Fox ABC NBC and CBS. Yes, right? That was it. That was it and then cable shows So then it became MTV and a bunch of different things came along and like you could be on remote control in MTV Like some people were or you could be on this show or that show. It's like then it started to broaden. I would have never thought that as it Continues to go as wide as it is today that sitcoms will all but vanish. Yeah, never would have I guess because the idea like again Anytime these people touch things anytime the business Becomes to involve in something they they neuter it and they make it on it's just not funny anymore They have laughed track so did the writing didn't have to be that good right?

1:00:04You know the laugh tracks were really killed it like because the writing could be weak But the laugh was the same so the writing didn't have to be good whereas live TV if it wasn't good You knew it wasn't good. Yeah, there's so there's shows that they do where you can watch Clips online that are without the laugh track. Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's a rhythm. It's abysmal even mash which I love growing up. I hated the laugh track Like they added a laugh track whether in Vietnam. Do you know what yeah? Oh Korea do you know what makes the only laugh track I've ever liked is you ever watch Steve Kugan is hilarious and He did I'm Alan Partridge.

1:00:38It's a British Show where he played a radio guy and it's a really funny show and his laugh track for some reason didn't bother me Like it worked as a device for some reason But other than that I've always hated them well You can do an organic laugh track. You know about those no So you what you basically film a show without a laugh track and then you play the show to a live audience and record their laugh Okay, yeah, that's then the laughs are at least honest. Yeah, I know that they there shows that have done it that way What is that for you think just to cut actually that might actually work because do it that way if you're doing like a single camera show We're the same joke in front of the audience fire I mean we did lucky Louis and we'd have to reshoot something and Louis You got anything you got it like because there's a comic he hated doing the same joke in front of the audience twice Yeah, so you try to come up with something or he would just improv something crazy and like It was a lot of fun But it was it was a challenge to try not to do the same joke if you could avoid it That was one of the fun things they did on news radio We would do a take and then They would take a break and the writers would convey and then the warm -up guy would talk to the crowd And then the writers would come up with another line Yeah, and then we bang it out right there and try another line and then do like three or four different takes and the the audience Sort of get ready for the different joke yeah at the end and there was like three or four different ones and they'd pick one But it's like the pressure of that moment was created some of the best ideas for whatever reason you feel dishonest doing the same joke twice Like yeah, there's something about it where you feel like you're you're like hey, we all know I'm lying right now It's it's like yeah, yeah, yeah It just doesn't feel right and the crowd is much more appreciative when they know you're giving them something different yes But yeah, I feel terrible doing the same like some guys when they do a stand -up special like I've never done a A retake of a joke and again not that I don't think I need it But it's just I I'm too embarrassed to do the same joke twice to the audience I would rather like I dropped my closing joke on a special because I fucking tripped on it like an idiot And I just I couldn't go back and redo it on like I just have to close with something else.

1:02:37It's just too humiliating Yeah, well the sitcom thing is also it's it's not really stand -up. It's very different right yeah So you're just trying to interact with these people the best way possible to get the story through and get the laughs And the audience is aware of that so they're in on this process that that normally never get to see where it stand up You always see where the stand -ups on stage and you know They're telling the joke and the audience is laughing But with the sitcom you never get to see how the sausage is made right so these are the people in the audience So the cameras are moving around so it's an experience on top of just you're watching the show But you're there live you're watching it be created So you're also watching someone fumble through their lines and start laughing like that would happen Or we would crack yeah, like when I did I see scenes with Andy dick and I was always so funny I would always break I would be in the middle of fucking thing and then we'd like take two and I'd like pinch myself or slap myself or Do something to try to be more serious and get through it, but there's That too that the audience is seeing so if they see you retake a Scene but at least you're adding new lines So now it doesn't feel like they're burdened by seeing the same thing over again now It's like oh wow, this is how they do it So they just sometimes they just come up with new stuff on the fly It's also weird when I don't look at the audience like as a stand -up you want to just look at the crowd right But if we were shooting something on the side stage and the crowd would just watch it on a monitor or even I do gut felt on Fox And I'm usually sitting next to Greg where I see the audience But once in a while if I sit in the seat right the audience is here It's so hard to just live in this environment without just turning and looking at the the crowd I hate not seeing the crowd And what other guys it doesn't bother but it drives me crazy to not be looking directly at the audience Yeah, it's an extra level of fake right because you know it's fake because you're not really in an office You know it's fake because there's no wall you know it's fake because there's a whole audience of people and you're trying to act normal Yeah, so you're trying to act normal in a in an environment where everyone knows it's fake Yeah, you're trying to make it real But at least if you're on a single camera show you know if you're doing Something like modern family or something like that you got a single camera and like It's just like you're filming a movie like there's no audience you have to piece So you can be real in moments and you're not worried about not looking at the crowd that's laughing at you Right and if you have to redo it it doesn't matter because it's not a bunch of people who you need a reaction from waiting waiting Yeah, I just that whole world I just it became so exhausted trying to be in it and I'm so happy that I don't have to exist in it And again, there's nothing to do with me thinking I'm too good for it It's just I wasn't good in it again.

1:05:15It's not where I'm comfortable. I don't feel funny there I don't feel welcome there weren't you unlucky? That's what I said, but that was fun though that was a great it's one of my favorite things I ever did But again, it's Louis writing right right so I mean the jokes were pretty fucking rough and you know He would go really hard and the crowd They had never seen any of the episodes like the whole thing was shot before any of them aired So there was no week to week growth with familiarity We had to shoot all we shot 13 actually and then they just aired So the crowd we were resetting with each crowd they had no idea who we were no idea what the characters were But it's one of the most fun things I ever did Loved Lucky Louis Yeah, and then he goes from that and does his own show a massive yeah, which was a huge yeah I mean, it's just it's just worked I HBO I thought fucked up by not picking that up for a second season They allowed a few critics even though it had a lot of viewers They allowed a few critics to shed on it enough to To get a canceled.

1:06:11Do you know what's what happened? I know it's what happened Yeah, Louis they talked about it. Yeah, because it was actually week to week going up in viewers It was just I thought HBO made a mistake by not at least given it season two Isn't that interesting that they would allow the opinions of people who are Their professional critics. Yeah, their professional like shitters on things Yeah, well they were also they had shows like sopranos and six feet under and reflux it they were built on critical acclaim And things that people love sex and they say all this stuff where you know got awards and like HBO Was like the first ones getting awards.

1:06:42So when something When the critics were going we don't like this. I think immediately they're like yeah, it's not worth Doing but yeah, that was kind of always heartbreaking But I always think it's because I was attached to it like I really am a fucking black spot on the lung Like anything like that. It's like it's it's gonna go away I don't think it's that I think it was Louis first time at one of those things He didn't have the kind of control that he had when he went over and did Louis. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think Hit the writing though like they didn't really I'm sure they fucked with him where I didn't see it But we would run through the rehearsals Um, and it always seemed to pretty much we would kind of shoot what I thought we were gonna shoot Um, I just the critics there was one critic who like weeks into this series When after it Louis was to like that was one of the things that sunk us So you know, it is what it is.

1:07:25I mean, but it was that was one of the ones I looked back on and go fuck I wish that had been good for a season two. Yeah, it's so hard to make things now I mean how many how many comedy shows like that or with comics or on the air now Yeah, I mean, I don't watch any of them anyway like I don't watch stand up I don't watch and it probably should because I interview people and I'm just such a fucking idiot like I don't watch things people Do you watch specials like I can't watch somebody special even if I love them I can't watch it I like watching people live. I do like watch people in the club.

1:07:58I do that I very rarely sit down and watch a special If one of my friends put something out and he asked me to watch something I'll watch something but Mm -hmm Most of the time I like I like seeing comedy what I mean I'm very fortunate like it to see some of the best comics alive on the spot So I like just I just like doing that. Yeah, I get even if I'm walking through and I see column on stage I'll watch or a tell like in the cell you see such great comedians. Yeah, but the idea of actually just watching somebody I just I guess because I'm also like everybody else clip base. It's all fucking a minute or two minutes And I run out of patience with something.

1:08:30I also don't want to see things. I wish I would have thought of oh Yeah, that's true too and when you're entertaining yourself. What are you entertained yourself with? Is it movies like what do you we go through I watch a lot of TV with Nikki So it's like would you we're going through a sopranos watch through now? Um, we watch the sopranos. Yeah, that's a good move. It's yeah, it's probably forgot most of it I did forget most of it um and we interviewed who the interview recently was uh It was Robert Eiler and uh and and and Jamie Lynn Seagler. They're doing a podcast together So I like interviewing them.

1:09:00I'm like fuck. I forgot how great this show was. Let's just start it over and watch it But it's mostly shit people do I'm watching people climb buildings Free climbers like these fucking maniacs that climb buildings. I'm afraid I'll hide you ever watch those guys Yeah, I did just freaks me out. Elaine Robert I think his name is a French the French spider man who kind of started all that shit Freakliming with no equipment a build up a skyscraper. Yeah, I have stories horrified They always have these helmet cams on it really bothers me. Yeah, that tries me nuts. I can't imagine why you would do that Or I'll watch b videos like bit like hornets nests.

1:09:34I go on what is it like when it gets up there in the wind starts Horrible. I'm sure it's fucking terrible, but I can't get through the videos. I have to stop watching I bet that wind can get under your stomach Dude, he just put one up where he showed himself Uh on a building fighting the wind. Oh my god Um, and he's holding on and you can see and there was also one where is that with that if you go to a Elaine robber a L .A. I .N. I think on instagram his Instagram showed it Um where he's like he's very close to the top of the building and you can see the wind Um Do you see it Oh, yeah, it's uh are you afraid heights?

1:10:15Oh, yeah me too. I it terrified I'm afraid of also doing something stupid like this That's what I'm afraid of because I think my brain is the kind of brain that'd be like I think I can climb that You know, like in that a person who gets good at climbing would want to climb a building like that Yeah, I got to see myself in another life being that stupid There's also oh yeah, there's oh Jesus Christ fighting against the wind storm it says Yeah, oh my god, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, it does not look helpless. Oh my god, listen to the wind Oh fuck man Oh fuck Jesus Christ man Yeah, it's hard to watch all of his videos are like that Oh You see how close he is to the top that gets me dude.

1:11:07Yeah, I think it's my fucking hand sweat. Yeah me too Me too. I can't get through these videos usually. Oh my god. He's get down get down. Yeah Don't just stand up there when he gets to the top measure the wind call it I think they say there's one he did where he gets close to the rooftop and then he can't get over it like the last The last the tip top of it. He can't get over just to climb back down the building. Oh no No, he doesn't did you see the birds the the birds califa one on The top left where he's uh he's standing on top of the oh my god Oh my god, what is he doing? What are you doing up there buddy get down get down.

1:11:44Yeah, hey hubby be coming to Dubai. Yeah I don't know what that means either good scroll down a little bit. There was some workout that he was doing where he's hanging I think that's his house. Let me see what that is. What is he doing here? Oh wow, dude So he's got like freak control of his body. That's insane He's hanging on with like one finger. He's got like finger holes. Yeah, he's doing one finger pull up Oh my god, that's insane. Yeah, terrifying. It says for 50 years It says soon. There will be 50 years that I've been climbing free solo Some people say that it's crazy far as I'm concerned.

1:12:23I've been living My dreams all along and potentially assuming the potential outcome uh You know the potential outcome imagine just thinking about it that way The potential outcome of you falling to your death. I hate when he turns around sometimes he turns around and looks down Yeah, I hate that yeah, it's hard. It's hard. Stop get it up the screen It's hard. It's hard to look at Yeah, but that's what I do. I watch guys like that and there's a lot of guys that are following his footsteps now But it's those type of things. It's a lot of those the helmet cam. Didn't some guy fall recently He was doing parkour on doing back flips on the top of building and he fell Yes, and there's also a footage of another guy falling Um, I think he was a Chinese climber and he was in the 60th floor and it's you don't see them splat But you see him he had the camera set up and he's hanging on the top.

1:13:17Yeah, and he's trying to climb like And he can't make it up. He can't make it up and he just let's go and they said he was on like the 60th Floor, but that's the feeling that that looks so helpless is hanging on to the top and trying to get your feet going and that's exactly how it happens Yeah, but you do like you don't skydiver any of that stuff. Oh, yeah, I hate heights. Hey No, no, no, no I've no desire. Yeah, I mean to that. I wish I wasn't afraid of it though. You could bands dad was uh He worked in this office and this lady was always trying to get him skydive with him and then one day he goes in the office and she's not there No parachute didn't open out.

1:14:01Oh wow Yeah, good for him not going. Yeah, good for him saying now think I fuck that story up. No, I mean it's Is it right? Was it the lady that he worked with like to go a lot? Ask to go. Yeah, that's it. Yeah Yeah, it terrifies me like I don't even flying when I was coming here I'm such a fucking idiot. I checked the weather reports to see how bumpy the flight might be I'm really annoying like I just I'm It's getting there they said high winds and I'm like it's gonna be a bad flight in the two days. I'm panicking before about the fucking wind So yeah, the height thing is really it's a paralyzing fear Yeah, because you know that if you make a mistake you'll die And these people fight that fear and client like Alex Honnell does one of the oddest guys I think I've ever met Because he's he does that all the time in these mountains.

1:14:46He's crazy You know like yeah, where the angle is going backwards and he's got to climb a thousand feet Well, just kind of hanging on with his feet and toes. Did he use equipment or is he free to free climb? No, we free souls that that's the films called free soul though that documentary on him Yeah, he climbed like the 3000 foot one. I think I saw some of that. Yeah, he's climbed a lot of them all over the world But it's just the the act of doing that the act of just being involved in risking your life and Just climbing all the time. It's just did you ever watch the alpinist? No documentary. Oh my god It's about this kid who was like the goat of these guys and it got to the point where for him where just regular free soul of climbing on mountains Wasn't scary enough So he starts ice climbing So what he's doing is climbing up the side of like icicles hanging off the side of a mountain And he's doing it with an ice axe So he's pulling himself up with ice axes Because like regular climbing doesn't freak him out enough now.

1:15:51He's got a ice axe his way up I mean, so this ice is hanging off the mountain. Okay, so you have this cliff face right here And then you have all this space and then you have the ice Thousands of feet hanging down Above the the ground and he's And dig it into this ice and hoping it hangs on there while he's climbing his way You gotta see it you want to freak out? Look at this The guy was out of his fucking mind. It is crazy what people have to do to feel like they're like they're up in the last time Like that stuff. That's what he would climb Did you see the the icicles? Wherever you found it Yeah, I think it was early in the beginning where they showed the icicles but this guy would Make his way with just google his name.

1:16:36There's another's really good. I play the trailer of the movie doesn't show any of this This is the trailer right is he dead or alive? He's alive. He died. He died doing that actual thing. Yeah, you got caught in an avalanche Jesus, oh my he didn't fall. He just got no. He just got that's it. So that's it right there That's how you climb that kind of shit and you see how he just did it with the ice axes That's how you do it. He climbed icicles Because like regular climbing rocks got boring And if you talk to psychologists that really understand the human mind. There's like a there's a Thing that these a they this is like the theory that some of these people that do this kind of stuff Like look at that look at how insane that is they don't feel normal So it's yeah, do you order to feel something?

1:17:18They really have to do that You really have to do something that would be absolutely Paralysingly terrifying to you or me. I think that I might be fucking up the phrase Tyson talked about something about like I guess when he was doing Drugs or might he's at the baseline normal. I think was the term he used it was something about what it takes To get just to feel zero like just to feel okay, I'm regular and whatever if you're addicted to something a adrenaline Whatever it is we all have that right just for me it would be Porn or set like you know, I mean like it took so long or so many different things to just get to that feeling like All right, I'm starting to feel high from this.

1:17:54I'm starting to feel yeah Like baseline normals a good way to put that and it's a good way to put like one of the conversations that I We were having the other day in the green rose how fun it is to be able to talk to people that you just want to have fun with Just like comics you can say anything to them everyone's laughing. Yeah, everyone's shit on everybody. We're all cracking up And it's all with love and that's our baseline normal So if you get our the people that are used to what we have is baseline normal and you put them in some stuffy office environment It's gonna be a real problem for us.

1:18:27We feel like super constrained and and we're gonna feel like shit And people who see it a lot of times think you're being mean to each other and it's like no you haven't understanding that like this is how we Tough crowd. It's like sparring with somebody. Yes. It's not hurting them It's your throwing punches at a person who's also throwing them back at you. Yeah, tough crowd is a great example Keith Robinson Keith Robinson's had two strokes and I went and watched him his special is fucking amazing I heard special so good and it was really great, but Keith doesn't expect an ounce of sympathy from people Nobody treats him any differently The stroke is just one more thing we make fun of and he's the same guy He's always been and anybody on the outside would see that and go you guys are mean to each other But I think if we were all of a sudden start talking to Keith differently Um and trying to kid glove him he would fucking hate it It would be uncomfortable and he would feel like I'm not a damaged Mental like you know what I mean like I'm the same guy So yeah people see that sometimes they don't understand that we really do love each other like we just be in dicks Because that's what makes us laugh.

1:19:27Yeah, and it's also the way we feed off each other We spar and it gets everybody better too like when someone shits on you with a really good singer You know, oh you get home. He like god damn it got me good one. Yeah, how did it fuck? I got a I got to write better lines. I got to come up with some better lines I got to come up with some more funny things to say about him Let me think what's fucked up about the way he dresses the way he talks And you know what it noise me about you and then you're going and they're both smiling. Yeah Everyone's smiling everyone's laughing and it also but it keeps you honest to like Colin is really good at that like we'll be at this cellar sometimes and I'll say something I think makes Sense uh and how good what are you my fucking aunt and I'm like oh god he's right Like it was an aunt thing that I said you can either get annoyed at it Or you can just acknowledge like wow that really was kind of a douchey old lady thing I just said yeah and just take it well also even if it wasn't the fact that someone could make fun of it Yeah, you should think that's funny that that even though that well that's not what I meant But that is funny.

1:20:26Yeah, he's annoying when he calls you out in front of people who are on comics He's done that to me to this fucking asshole and whole foods one time Somebody said something like the per the cashier said something. I go. Oh no worries And he goes this is an annoyed you that he's talking like an Australian tour guide and just she laughs at me and Because it's embarrassing because she like if he said it to another comic I wouldn't care But it's just this is just some fucking lady who really thought it was funny and obviously I did sound like that But you know it's that it kind of just it makes you almost hyper aware of everything you say right and that's our baseline normal Yeah, yeah, but I wouldn't I can't I can't function with that I can't be in a relationship with someone who isn't like that who doesn't appreciate that I just it's not fun It's not fun and if you listen to watch what you're saying or you're always worried.

1:21:11I'm gonna upset them by being too harsh or they're too fragile Um, yeah now imagine that same sort of philosophy that same mindset and then you apply it to work So work when you have to work somewhere most of the time you don't you don't get to choose the people you work with You work with the people who also work at the place you work and then you have to deal with all these fucking bullshit sensitivities that they might be bringing to the table Yeah, and there's also a penalty in those situations where if you say something people don't like They go to human resources. Oh, yeah, uh, which nothing destroys fun Like fucking human resources because when their job is only to make sure the company doesn't get sued.

1:21:50Yep. That's it Yeah, it's all that lawsuits that that really is I mean even it worked like you know On the air we can say what we want they never fuck with us, but I don't talk to anybody in the office I mean, I don't fucking hi hello and keep walking. I don't want any miscommunications any misinterpretations or any Opportunity for someone to just be deceitful someone to pretend that you said something or Lock you into some sort of a weird deal. What's easier? I know people that have had to do that where it's easier to pay someone Than it is to deal with the ramifications of being falsely charged.

1:22:23Yeah, whatever. Yeah, or just where yeah He said this to me and it's like how do I prove that I didn't say that to you right? There's no Yeah, I've been like that make money suing companies too. They it's like it's a real good way to go I got sued. I mean, it's like it's why I have you know insurance because I got fucking sued for half a million dollars It was that it was that fucking for defamation because I shit on that lawyer on the air when he called in He was like the guy's right activist and he called up and I insult him for an hour and I apply that he fucked chickens like it was funny Um, and he I remember saying like he's he sued me for defamation And I remember saying this guy wants to kill me But he can't so he's getting me legally because we met once I he thought I wanted to settle with him Because he amended this complaint He said that I was having people send him anthrax or or white powder implying it was anthrax It was fucking crazy.

1:23:14So I had him meet my lawyers office just to tell him like dude I like that's insane. I thought like it's two people right, but he thought I was gonna settle So we shook hands and met and he was just like a little fishy weird guy Um, and then he just continued to sue me and it finally went away I had a great lawyer and in court eight months later or nine months later um The judge didn't like him and my attorney started reading things I said to him on the air and all the other lawyers in the court started laughing and all those people laughing at him Um, got him to go. Oh, you're on a weekend settle this so they went in the back and that was it no money was paid It was just dropped.

1:23:52Oh, he just didn't want to be mocked and that he didn't want to be mocked And he wrote like this manifesto and he mentioned me in it um and that guy over the fucking pandemic Uh dressed up like a FedEx worker and went to a judge's house and shot her son And killed him that was the guy that's the same guy Roy Roy done Hollander and he that was the guy that sued me Holy shit and he went to uh, he was gonna I think murder Sonia saw my alright. I think her name is the supreme court justice and they said he might have killed somebody else in LA They don't know But yeah, he was going to uh shoot her and her son answered the door holy shit.

1:24:30Yeah, but I knew that guy It was more than a lawsuit because he had challenged me to a duel I didn't say he chow on the area goes you want to go to South America and have a duel like it was really bizarre That uh, he chose 10 paces things yes, like it was so nuts Um, and then he started wanting to come back in studio and fight us He's like, he'll just be me against the three hosts fighting all these crazy messages. Oh my god But I knew you didn't believe that was the guy. I'd never knew that That's the guy. Yeah, so that like when that type of shit happens It's like it does change you a little bit you know like wow that guy was right that guy literally wanted to murder me It wasn't me being crazy or paranoid Um, and most people before I heard he had cancer like they said he had like uh incurable stage 4 cancer and then he wound up doing that and then he just blew his brains out shot himself Oh wow, yeah, so they never got him he did it himself he killed himself Yeah, I think the cops were coming to get him and he and he uh he killed himself so yeah, that could have been a lot worse um boy, and I and I look back on that and I also feel good about myself like hey you read this guy right Like I read what type of person he was like you know is this you get Pretty good instincts like if somebody's heckling you can understand is this guy having fun?

1:25:47Or is this guy trying to be a piece of shit because he resents me you you learn pretty quickly to read motives Yeah, um, and I just it was just maybe it's just an animal gut instinct. I'm like this guy's a fucking problem Um, so yeah, I got very lucky with that that we we never uh It never got to that. I wonder how much you having him humiliated ramped up all his anger It led to him murdering people You know, I don't know because it was years later and it was also he had this thing with women like I originally we're gonna we're gonna interview him because he was suing Columbia because of their guys studies or women's studies Sorry, and so I was like look.

1:26:26I don't like anything that's progressive and exclusive by nature Like you know what I mean like hey, how come they're not doing guys so I'm like let's see what But then it became apparent he just sews women So then we started to make fun of him um because it's like I it wasn't the principle of Colombia doing this It was like you just have a fucking hard on and want to sue women So then we kind of made fun of him Um, and it got ugly and I was just being a dick like I was on the air um And that's what really is but I don't think that I think he had so many of these problems and it was much more about women Than anything I said to him like my humiliation of him was years earlier But I do think I humiliated him and he really wanted to because my attorney at the time Uh, his name is Tom Furber.

1:27:07He was a great lawyer and he they my law firm hated him so much They retroactively knocked down what they were charging me they go this guy such a bad guy That we're gonna charge you less and we're gonna make it retroactive like they were so offended by what he was doing as an attorney So I I got lucky with really good people and they really took good care of me He also got lucky that you caught him before the cancer Yes 100 % 100 % because Again, do I think he would have hunted me down and kill no I I think the judge for him was a bigger one But I mean, I'm sure it would have felt good for him if he could have um especially was on a run So let me stop by the radio station.

1:27:45Yeah, and oddly enough it happened in the town I grew up in which was again a pure coincidence, but happened in north brunswick Um, he went to kill her and just unfortunately her son answered the door Oh boy Yeah, you get like I've gotten so many threats Um over the years like and like legit, you know radio podcasting you don't see who it's not like live stand -up Like there's a lot of people that you don't see Um, and I used to answer them I have I have hundreds of fucking hate mail messages And I used to go back and forth with people Um, and I eventually stopped Because then people like I had a couple people talking about you better watch your back or tub by getting shot And they were using their real names.

1:28:23I'm like, all right. This guy's using his real name. He's a fucking the something wrong with him Right, and I don't know what he looks like and he knows what I look like. Yeah Um, but I eventually stopped reading it or responding to it because the thing about the ONA show though It was a very aggressive show yeah and aggressive and shitting on people aggressive and attacking people and the weaponization of the pests Yeah, and they kind of did it on their own and we enjoyed it Um, because they were really funny like they would do some really Funny shit like we would do jock tobers Um and and just a torture and I should tell everybody with the pet the pests of the audience Oh, they would just these these ONA fans that are really You know really connected very committed fans.

1:29:06Yeah, and pests was just this dumb affection because they were just pests They were just annoyed people and we would take over and and just like fuck with another radio show It would only happen for a day though You'd be in and out for a day that put all these horrible things on their Facebook page the Facebook page would shut down And then the next day it would be another well jock tober was was just making fun of like corny radio guys Yeah, and I actually it's funny. I had to go on because you know I had the advantage of doing radio but also of going on the road And I had been on shows and they're like you know you jock tobered us So I had to go and face some of these fucking people And it's embarrassing.

1:29:42It's embarrassing. It's like being overheard talking shit But would you say to them when they're still you know, I mean look they were they were cooler with it than I would have thought And it was one time in Boston. We had really in brutal to this show and I was I don't remember I spent years ago. I don't remember the show. I didn't remember the jock tobering But uh Kenny comes out and I was waiting to do a show and he goes hey you Um Jock tobered these people and they want to know if you have the gust to come in studio And I'm like yeah, so I went right in because you have to I would rather just yeah face it And then we kind of talked about it and it was okay.

1:30:14It wasn't it wasn't as aggressive I think they were surprised that I came in um and whenever you talk to someone one -on -one it humanizes them a little bit Like it's harder to totally dismiss somebody when you're actually talking to them right because you realize like Yeah They're just making a living doing radio and they look at me like he's just a stupid fucking comic making fun of something Um, so we wanted getting along and it was okay, but yeah, I had to deal with that on the road I went on a few shows that we fought with like Lex and Terry in doubt they were really brutal those guys They were harsh um we had nasty fights with them and then eventually got kind of made up and I went on their show and It was fun.

1:30:50Are any of those shows still around? How many of those I don't know I know Bubba's still around He's doing something. I don't know if Lex and Terry are Toucher and Rich just broke up up and but they were friends But I mean like they were one of those shows that made it through all these what about Bob and Tom I one of them died Oh, it's one Bob and I don't know I've only done this show once or twice and I've been in studio once or twice I think one of them passed away and I don't know which one They were the show to get on they were if you wanted to be big in the Midwest You wanted to get on the Bob and Tom show yeah Larry the cable guy all these guys that they made I mean radio would what it did for people for years now no one cares If you're on the radio like the regular radars and do shit for people anymore unless it less Few shows and a few markets can help like Johnny Darren Kansas City was always a great show to go on because he would help you sell tickets Yeah, but most of those shows are gone.

1:31:40I don't know. I haven't been out there in so many years the weird ones for me now is a you know whenever you Uh Get a car and you know like usually I use like apple car play in my car, but If I don't have it plugged in if I forget my phone or something like that I'm like let me see what's on the radio. Oh, and I'll press AM talk radio and I'll just scroll until I find either someone talking about Jesus Or someone talking about Trump. Yeah, yeah That's exactly what it is. There's nothing funny like where there's very few funny Shows anymore because everyone's so afraid of getting in trouble to getting the let like it's worse than it's ever been They're just trying to catch people slip and Trying to catch people saying something they can get them in trouble for yeah, we got out just in time I mean, and honestly like when we got fired in 2002 it again It turned out to be a blessing, but when you got when you're doing serious Do they tell you how many people listen?

1:32:35No, it's a negotiation strength for them But they don't just like Netflix won't tell you how many people have watched your special But there's no one that you know that's inside no no, I've I've wanted to know and I guess people they said that Sam and I do really well On the oddly for them on demand is very big their app is very big And they said we do better than most people at the company on that app and they're really happy with it So the app it's it's just like having Spotify or something like that you just press and you can get the show whenever you want yeah, and you can listen to a I don't know I mean, I think the app is free.

1:33:15I don't know I don't I don't this I don't listen my own show much less anything else on the show You have to pay for serious XM or it's just serious serious. I was like Sam Pandora now. Oh, is it yeah serious XM Pandora Oh, so that's something I wrote of the XM is it Pandora? Yeah, they own Pandora Yeah, no serious XM is still and they just added something else too. I should probably know because I worked there But I really don't how much longer you think Howard's gonna do it I don't know because I don't know him like I've met him I've never really interacted with Howard other than hello and goodbye and like Yeah, same building same building, but he go in the studio.

1:33:47I don't think he's been there for a long time I think he broadcasts from home like he's got his own studio Um, but even when he was in I wouldn't see him because I came in I would see already like already laying and I would bump into each other in the elevator all the time And I hated getting up and which would drive me crazy like already does heroin and he and I are getting here at the same time Like he would he would fucking be there with the sunglasses on and the elevator going up to work So I'd bump into already all the time But Howard I probably seen two or three times in all those years interesting Yeah, we never I never did his show because it was I was opian Anthony and when we were off the air I was an ONA guy so I never tried to get on.

1:34:23I just always wondered like what like um What motivates him like does he want to keep doing it? You know, and doing it from home If like and you get to a certain point in time where the only way you feel like you're connecting with people's if you do that That would be very odd if you're just doing it from your home and you're not going out You know like being out with people and your only connection to the world through a microphone. Yeah I can get very odd I guess he's interviewing people he wants to talk to like I guess at this point he just wants to do certain interviews and Like again people have said his show changed a lot But I was never a listener of I just I don't listen to anything.

1:35:01I did definitely changed a lot But you still got to give the guy props. Sure Because in the beginning there was no one like him and he fought the government They fucking find him and he was doing this on the air on regular radio and everybody was tuning in to see what the Wildest shit this guy was gonna say and there was no one that had done that before and it opened up the door for all of us Yeah for all probably definitely open up the door for ONA It made ONA more Grease the wheels or ONA although ONA was a different thing. It was more of a hang. Yeah But they they admit that how it was a huge influence on him He was an influence on everybody and then from there it goes on to podcasts and you know It's not possible without how it's done It's a totally different path to entertainment talking because this is like that kind of just having a conversation with someone That really didn't exist in that form before where you heard it for long periods of time with comedians Like who else had done that?

1:36:01Yeah, at least where it was entertaining and funny and like you'd go into areas that like regular interviews weren't going into Oh, we had regular shows where girls were right on a decibion. Yeah, yeah, I play with themselves or all the time ONA had girls would talk in and They would have them rub the phone on their pussy and try to guess what their pubic hair look like You know, I mean it was they had like three different categories of like full -push landing strip or Ball pussy was they called the jambane I think yeah So yeah, they would have people just call up and rub the phone on their pussy's you know It was just it was fun and then it became whip them out Wednesdays Where Wednesdays girls would pull their tits out.

1:36:37Yeah, and flash that was before I got there They came up I think it all became up with that before I arrived like that was something that was already a staple by the time I showed up Because that was the whole thing with the ONA you do it have stickers and the stickers would say wow on it Yeah, and you see them everywhere. Oh, yeah, and if someone had a sticker on their car and girls drove by the would honk their horn and pull their tits out Yeah, yeah, and we would get calls on Wednesday Um, hey some girls just show me her tits like it was really great I unfortunately did not get to see many driving but I had to hear from happy happy listeners But it was that kind of a show that was like a welcome break from all the fake bullshit that you would hear on in most media Yeah, and there was no real like you could say anything you wanted because it was only it was a subscription service And then our show was a subscription on top of that like we went on xm There was a two dollar fee additionally to get opian Anthony like it wasn't even on the regular We fought for a year to get on the regular Platform they kept opian Anthony separated.

1:37:34Is that because they were scared you guys? I think so and they also wanted to have that thing. Hey, you paid the two dollar. That's what I think right You chose it for this what you asked for yeah, but eventually we got on the regular and I'll say this for serious They don't ever fuck with us on what to talk about what not to talk about Um, that's great. Yeah, they never give us content problems Um, you know, we can't really have nudity in the studio anymore, but I mean Most companies are probably not letting you do that. That's a lawsuit thing. Yeah. Yeah And it's also been done so many times like what do you do?

1:38:05Look at a pair of tits like who cares? I put my own on fucking fat fuck can't stop I'm trying to lose weight again. I got so self -conscious. I just fattened up. That's married life You just you home. What are you trying to do to lose weight? Eating better. I mean, I've been going to Hanzo's for like seven months now. Oh, yeah And that's great exercise like oh, yeah, jujitsu moitai. I go four days a week and like you're doing more time to I do I do two days of each a week because yeah, I really that's awesome You know jujitsu is great, but like I want to be able to get to somebody or handle somebody thrown a punch Um, and I train with I do mostly privates because I I this schedule of classes doesn't work with my schedule Um, I train with a guy named Mike Jarmelho who's a who's a high level black belt and uh, he has me rolling with this blue belt named Martin And it's just it's fucking great dude like it's very addicting.

1:38:55I love doing it um And it's exhausting. It's more tiring than anything I've ever done in my life. That's great to hear man Yeah, I'm excited that you're doing that, but I'm never gonna compete I literally just don't want to get my ass kicked in a movie theater That's all I'm worried about is getting beaten up in a fucking movie theater Well, it's it's always good to learn how to fight It's never a bad thing to know how to fight. Does it mean you're gonna use it? Does it mean you're gonna hurt anybody? I'd never have, but it's just a good thing to know Yeah, you look at people differently like I'm not Again, I'm not overconfident because I'm not looking for a fight But when like when there's a disruption or a ruckus you're less concerned about what happens if this comes this way You know, you at least feel like well, at least I would have an answer that I wouldn't have had seven or eight months ago Right, right, right.

1:39:37Yeah, you want to know what to do instead of just to freeze up You want to the best things about your jitsu is when you are rolling when you're sparring You're essentially going full speed, right? You go full speed up into the point where you lock in the choke and then or an arm bar or a knee bar Whatever it is and then you control because you don't want to hurt each other right But the point is you're you're scrambling at essentially a hundred percent until you get to that position Not always, you know, sometimes you're flowing and sometimes you're you know You're you're just trying to work on defense.

1:40:10You're letting someone go around you But what you're accustomed to doing is resisting someone's full strength You get accustomed to this and it becomes very normal So like if someone grabs me out of nowhere someone grabs me This is it's a total normal thing for me to feel like someone the other day I think was brymosis Grabbed me from behind and put his arm around my neck when I was in the green room and I talked to him Like instantly talking to my chin. I instantly went like this. I just like it's built in It's entirely built in I feel an arm right here my chin talks. I turn away and I grab it I'm like, oh, hey, what's up?

1:40:50You know like it's it's in my central nervous system Whereas for a person who's never trained if someone grabs you have to think What do I do now? I have to grab this by then it's too late Yeah, there are certain things I don't think about but I'm not there yet like the idea of it becoming like a reaction That's what I want to get to For certain things it is but like I'm trying to throw a triangle on my right arm through right like left right Fox me up a little bit. Yeah, I mean and we do a lot of drilling and that's what I'd be drilled from the right side I'd be drilled from the left side Drilling is everything.

1:41:23Yeah, people don't like to drill because it's tedious and they like to spar because it's fun And Eddie Bravo you still he's explaining this to me. It's like, you know Everybody loves to spar because like that's like you're playing the game you're playing a video game Yeah to get good at that game. You got to do the tedious stuff So Eddie and I would drill all the time he would come over my house and I had mats in my garage and when I first started I was like a blue belt and Eddie I think he was a brown It was a purple or brown at the time and he would come over my place and we would just drill for hours And my game jumped up so much my game from blue belt to purple belt jumped so much and it was all just because I was drilling like all the time constant drilling Yeah, he does it a lot Mike will have us do like the same thing over and over and over and I'll get tired Like for me the exhaustion and he'll be like you can go slow, but you can't stop Train yourself to move train yourself to move when you're tired Does your nose work?

1:42:25My nose sucks. It's better than it was I know we had talked before you were you were thinking about getting the operation Oh, I've got two you got two Yeah, and it's like it's still it's also my lungs and the fact that I'm 55 like you know this guy I'm rolling with is a blue belt who's who moves very quick like he's really hard to hold when he doesn't want to be held Like if he's drilling But then like for the last X amount of minutes a lot of time so go all right I want you to follow him Like he wants me just to follow his movements like if he's getting out of things Do I know what the next thing to do is like just to try to get me to do it without thinking you know Um, I've surprised myself a few times where I was actually able to See what he's doing, but I'm under no illusion that I can tap a blue belt like you know Well, it's it's a language and it's like you have to learn how to say the words before you can form sentences And that's uh, that's what you're doing when you learn jujitsu and just like having a conversation with someone When someone's moving your reactions to their movement is based on your understanding of what could and couldn't happen Yeah, you know, so it's like it is like a language You just use very much like a language and you get good at it Just like you get good at a language and you have a bunch of different words at your disposal You understand how to put them together You understand how to put them together in context and then you React in these movements and you see really good guys It's almost like they're telepathic like they're anticipating the other person's counter to their move and then they Trap them with that and flow into the next defense of that and it's all just this whirlwind of movement that looks random Unless you're educated in what they're doing and then you go wow, that's beautiful Well, Mike will show things like and he again He's takes it easy on me because I'm a white belt But when he locks like he'll show me like things he knows I'm not gonna compete So it more how to defend yourself in a real life situation So he'll show me where to throw elbows and like if you got a guy here Throw your knee into his fate like things that you'll need to do in real life But when he locks things on he goes and here's how you really make this suck if you want to It's brutal like it's really You realize how many ways there are to hurt somebody or to be hurt by somebody It's not just getting punched on the face like more time for me I love um because again my punching sucks my kicks are fucking my jab is shit But I just want to be able to do it a little bit of basic stuff if I have to do it right But I'm never gonna be great at that like I'm never gonna throw kicks like fucking Wonderboy and knock somebody out.

1:44:45I just want to be able to throw one if I have to get somebody away from me Yeah, it's just it's again It's a good thing to learn and wherever you are now whatever your baseline is if you train you'll get better And you'll look back and go oh, I remember when I used to think that I couldn't get good at this now pretty fucking good at it Yeah, I've seen some improvement in seven months and again It's all I don't care about belts. I don't care about any of that stuff I just I like doing it and I feel like yeah I'm learning something because when he tells me just to follow Martin and move I feel like yeah, I'm actually Moving with him and most of the time he's getting out of it spending when you're doing more time kicking a heavy bag Um, well not really actually not a lot I kick pads Um, I stopped kicking Probably two months ago because I really hurt my foot I thought I might have fractured my foot so I've been doing just basically punching and Tie clinch and takedowns for like the last two months to let my foot heel because I think I didn't elbow or something No, I think I was just sometimes my kicks are off and they actually did hit an elbow one time But I don't think that's what did it.

1:45:47I think I just kicked too hard and my foot hit the wrong part of the pad You know, I think that's what it was and I just I felt like it was fractured so I didn't want to break it But no, I haven't kept training though. That's good find a way to work around it I can't stop. I don't even go to the regular gym anymore because if I stop I'm not gonna do it like I'm I'm great I'm a streaky hitter like I do really good and when I stop fucking forget it I'm not getting back into well the cool thing about martial arts is it's a really hard workout But it's also fun because you're learning something Yeah, and you're doing a skill.

1:46:17It's not just like I'm gonna get on this bike and I'm gonna ride for a fucking six mile Yeah, I'm this fucking stationary bike where you listen to a podcast Instead you're learning something so you're you're not even thinking about the the you know The grind of it all you're just enjoying it Yeah, and you feel like you like this will come in handy in real life Hopefully I won't have to but If something happens at least this thing I'm doing will help me in a physical Altification if my fucking wife and I get attacked at least I'll be able to You know do do more than I would have been able to do.

1:46:50I'm so much confident enough to have a fight with somebody How long have you been doing it now? That's seven months. Yeah, dude. You just keep doing it. You get better Yeah, I love it like I really love it and you get used to the smell of the jujitsu gym pretty fast, but that's it stinks But do you um are you taking care of your body in terms of like supplements and I've been doing some Bert actually when I was here uh, and I think it was the guy that you talked to Got me a bunch of supplements. We talked about TRT But I just I'm not at a point where I'm comfortable doing that like I don't I'm just afraid of it I guess what you're afraid of like if it makes if you have a tumor Will it make that grow more you talked to bring them about that?

1:47:27I don't like the strength You like your balls nice and plump. I do. I like my balls. Do you see I've got big load is my fucking it's my calling card job Well, there's no reason why that has to go away. There's something called HCD. What is it called HCG human Kalana trope and Whatever it is it makes your body It's like a peptide that makes your body produce more testosterone And there's a lot of people use that as opposed to just TRT so instead of just put here is a human Corionic Ganatotropin that's how you say it so So hormone that can increase a person's chances of pregnancy helps produce testosterone sperm So if you're a low on testosterone you can take that.

1:48:14Does it fuck up? You can it fuck make tumors bigger whenever I'm scared of cancer No, you shouldn't be scared of that. You know if you're scared of cancer you should stop eating sugar Yeah, I've tried to cut a lot of it out Yeah, well, that's the that's the real one. Yeah, that's the real one There's obviously genetic factors in cancer There's certainly environmental factors in cancer. Those are huge, but There's some real connections to an overconsumption of sugar and a host of different diseases a diminishing of your immune system and most people Unfortunately are addicted to it and I've got these guys at the store Or the mothership rather over the last month this month of January we're doing carnivore month and I'm not saying I like I have not a nutritionist and I'm not saying that this is the best way that everyone on earth should eat But what I wanted them to do to try it for a month if you are committing to only eating meat and eggs and fish For a month what you are also committing to doing is not eating bread not eating pasta Not eating bullshit not eating cake not eating cookies not eating potato chips not eating just garbage That just clogs up your body with bullshit and these guys are talking just in the two weeks we've been doing They're like oh my god.

1:49:33This is incredible Derek was saying the other day in the green room It's like I have so much energy man. It feels crazy like I don't need naps and a song was like I had an idea of what my baseline energy was and I was so wrong I was always like oh, I need a nap I go so I don't ever need naps now over two weeks Duncan said the same thing Duncan realized he has diabetes. Ah To type two diabetes from sugar for meeting sugar So Duncan gets off the diabetes and he or gets off the sugar rather and he calls me like two weeks later He's like too. I feel fucking amazing. This is crazy. Well, I can't believe how good I feel It's really hard like especially when shits in the house Because you know my wife doesn't know what's healthy.

1:50:11I should bring home cupcakes and go they're healthy They're from whole foods. I'm like I can't eat that. Do you understand? I'm getting fat. I can't keep doing this You can't outrun bad Diet it's not just it's not just like bad diet. I think you should think of it as poison I think you should think of a lot of the bullshit that people eat as a very minor Slow acting poison. It's not a poison. It's gonna take you out and kill you when you eat it It's a poison that if you keep eating it is gonna diminish your robustness It's gonna diminish your health your your your metabolic strength all of your all the factors that go into sleep and recovery and even Cognitive function.

1:50:52They're all getting diminished every fucking one of them 100 % of them I'm so paranoid about being sick. I went I go every year for like scans and about I'm a claustrophobes It's very hard to do like I did an MRI recently for everything I'm like check the fucking the brain. I want to check the chest check the groin But I kept yelling at them to take me out. It was really humiliating Yeah, I'm squeezing the thing. I'm like take me out and they would take me out and put me back in and they finally turn the thing around Put me in legs first because I'm so claustrophobic So they couldn't do the brain one.

1:51:23I just couldn't get through it. It was because your head is fucking yeah I've done MRIs. Oh There's them bother you to be in clothes like that. I just deal with it. I can't do it. It makes me crazy I have to take something like yeah, I don't enjoy it But I just do it. Did you hear about the lady who went into one? I mean, I don't even know this is a true story Maybe when those internet things she went into an MRI with a loaded gun and the gun went off and shot her No, but why a gun? I don't know. Did she forget she had it? It's it could be one of two things It could be a real crazy person or it could be something that someone wrote because it would be a funny scenario And they put it out on the internet and it gets a bunch of clicks because people believe things There was one where somebody went for an MRI and it sucked the magnet sucked all this metal stuff against it Which someone did he kill them?

1:52:05Yeah, yeah, people have definitely died I mean, that's why they make you take all the magnets or the metal rather out of your you know You walk in with a hospital gown. I was so annoyed Dude, I they put music on and I was fucking having a panic attack So I tell the guy put on some rock music rock music this fucking guy thought I said rocky So all these playing as the rocky state I do it over and over and over I'm having a panic attack listening to that Oh, I'm so not helpful It was constant woman sneaks a gun into MRI It goes off shooting her in the buttocks and the process of entering the bore The handgun was attracted to the magnet and fired a single round The patient received a gunshot wound to the right buttock area Yeah, so it's true Wow, like what is the point of sneaking a gun in?

1:52:50What's wanted to fucking shoot somebody but also needed to go to the doctor would but did want to leave her gun in the locker Oh, she's probably afraid that go through and find it Find her fucking pistol in the lock so I'm just gonna sneak out how humiliating shoot yourself in these ass Fuck crazy lady Yeah, but I do it once a year just I get so paranoid about getting sick and getting fucking cancer like go back Jamie there's another one there Lidna look at this according to New York post a Brazilian lawyer was killed in a hospital in South Paulo in January When a handgun he was carrying during MRI discharged into his stomach Holy shit.

1:53:23Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with these people like why what's the purpose of bringing a gun into a place like that His other lady a nurse was crushed When she was trapped between an MRI and a hospital bed drawn to the machine. I think that's the one I'm thinking of Fuck Fuck Yeah, I mean it really is that you forget that have a better system than fucking magnets at this point Yeah, you know Well, that was always my argument against aliens like there was an older doing an anal probe I'm like don't think you have MRIs right they have to stick their finger up your ass like what are they doing dude I'm trying I'm trying to believe I want to believe the UFO is so bad, but every time I get close You know I watch I watch a video of someone debunking it and I just can't I want to see one thing that makes me go fuck I can't find an explanation for I am less likely to believe with every new thing they tell us In aliens or against them well In the existence of them I'm a hundred percent convinced yeah a hundred percent convinced that the in the greater Universe which is almost impossible to imagine how big it is that there's other forms of life I believe that 100 percent But I also think that if you're getting some release from the Pentagon that says there's off -world crafts You know UFOs unexplainable vehicles not of this earth Shhh they don't tell you the truth about anything now anything I would say that if I was trying to obscure a hyper sophisticated drone or weapons program I would release that I would if I was a smart guy who's involved in intelligence I would say what's the best way to get away with this new super sophisticated weapons program Okay, let's just say it's aliens Yeah, let's just not say it's us at all and well What's the best way to get that information out first of all pretend you don't want it to get out Don't just have a press conference because then they won't believe you leak it out slowly leak it out a little bit here and there leak it out through you got some guy works where he's maybe got a big mouth Like to tell a little gossip.

1:55:31Yeah, let's us get Mike over there to him. Yeah, leave a folder on his desk Yeah, tell us secret to some asshole that you know can't keep his mouth shut Exactly and then Mike I felt compelled to go to congress and explain and then you know Mike is on fucking newsmax and Mike is Writing a sub stack now about all his experiences that he had in area 51 There's a lot of loony people man, and there's a lot of Real interest in obscuring high -level military secrets that are of dire national intelligence and national security Needs like you need these if these things exist if that the technology for Insane hypersonic travel with a drone that evades You know all known weapon systems can move at a speed almost at the speed of light like some insane speed if we really have something like that Well, why the best way to pretend you don't have it is to say that it's alien That's what I wanted to like the fraver and Alex detrick is that what they saw something that we had like I want to believe that story so much because I like their story and I think they're credible people They definitely are credible people and I like their story too, and it only makes sense that it's out there near where all the military bases are I mean think about where that was in San Diego where the ones with the Ryan Graves the fighter pilot who spotted them off the east coast same thing restricted airways It's all the places where they do military exercise right so there's things they might I tell those guys that they're doing yeah Um and I'm also with Ryan Graves I think it was in 2014 when they upgraded the sensors They upgraded all the scanning systems and then they started seeing these things All the time so what better way to find out like at what level can people see these things right?

1:57:15Let's upgrade the scanners and send these guys out there up there seeing them. Okay, so they're seeing them now Yeah, so now you know like it's like I I think more likely than any at least some of these things these people are experiencing our ours Yeah, I think so too, and I want to believe more but like I saw Lex Friedman did a really good interview with With David Fraver and they were responding to things that Mick West set and I David Fraver is a brilliant guy, but the explanation he gave wasn't the technical explanation I would have wanted to hear like it was more like hey, we're trained and we know what we're seeing and I'm a fucking idiot So I don't understand the technology at all in the high school dropout But I still I was like I watched both of those things and I was like I just he didn't say anything that combated what Mick West said that made like you know, I mean Mick West said things and he's about that about that thing being real That cannot be denied because there was it was scanned They used multiple different types of equipment and and the human eye so you have this They they spotted this thing at above 50 ,000 feet and it went down to 50 feet in less than a second Then it's a physical object.

1:58:23It also went to its cat point So they saw it They have video this thing moving at an insane rate of speed that they judge to be like some Fucking stupendous number of G's that if a human being was inside this thing you just turn it to jello And then it went to their cat point which is their predetermined destination that they were all gonna meet up. So this thing either Was being operated by the same people and they knew that they could like Get it to that point or it was telling them that it knew where they were supposed to go and then it reappears It moves off at this rate of speed that you can't even you can't process it No one knows how it's doing it.

1:59:02How's it going from 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 like that That's not possible is as far as what we know but if they have something That can move like that and it's most likely some kind of a drone That makes more sense to me. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense But does that mean that that's all the things that people are saying? No, no, it doesn't I don't think they're lying by the way. I don't think that those pilots are lying at all I think they definitely saw something. I'm just not convinced it's from Another planet. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not either. I'm not but I'm also not convinced that some of these things aren't from other planets Which one do you think because I there's not one that I saw and I really want the one like I want to see one I've never seen the one.

1:59:44I've never seen the one But there's enough sightings and enough people that are just What percentage of people lie about stuff is it half it might be half like half people Fib a little bit about the story and make themselves look a little better than what really happened It's tricky. Be tricky between like an outlight Outright lie which is fairly rare amongst people and then a distortion of truth which is much more common Yeah, filling in the blanks where you think it should go. Yeah Yeah, like a friend of mine was trying to tell me that he spotted a UFO in his backyard and they filmed it with his iPhone but that the The video wasn't on the phone after it was over.

2:00:22I go Okay, isn't it more likely you didn't press the button you thought you pressed the button. That's happened to me before Sure me too. He does that and he's like no, no, no, it was definitely working like Maybe not yeah, maybe not working that's possible too And the fact that you're not inter able to entertain whether or not it might not have actually been recording That seems to be a little weird. Well, what's easier to swallow like the fact that I I saw you a foe and it made the video disappear or I saw you a foe and then didn't hit record Yeah, like yeah, like that's the humiliating thing like there's a fucking you a foe and I didn't record it Also, you're freaking out when people are freaking out.

2:00:58They don't know what they're doing They've they fuck things up all the time But the point is like that's not a lie It's just a distorted version of truth that suits that person more And I think people do stuff like that all the time when it comes to like these UFO sightings, but You always have to leave in the the possibility of someone who's immune to that You you have to leave in sightings from people that are credible objectionable or objective rather people that can look at something and go I don't know what this is, but let me tell you what I saw and they tell you what they saw to the best of their recollection and memory with no Adatives without without the without the expectation of convincing you of something right or without the expectation of it being a b or c But hey, this is what happened whatever it is.

2:01:44It is yeah, that's hard to find that exactly There's also this thing where people want to be one of the people that see a UFO of course it makes you special Yeah, it makes you special Yeah, so they want to you know, it's hard. I'll tell you what this fucking guy Travis Walton. This is one of the crazy stories He's the guy that was in that fire in the sky fire in the sky that one's wild man that one's wild because that guy was missing For five days or however many days it was and turns up and has this story that's Similar to so many other stories, but was it where his did his friends see him disappear?

2:02:16Yeah, they saw him get taken No, they saw him walk up to the spacecraft and they saw as he got close to the spacecraft Some sort of beam of light hit him and he falls to the ground and they panicked so they get in their car All allegedly obviously, yeah sure they drive off They're all screaming in yelling each other. We have to go back. We can't leave them there We have to go back they get like a mile down the road and they finally they're like fighting with each other And they go okay, we're gonna go back and they go back and he's gone the craft gone He's gone and then many days later He shows up with this Crazy story in the town we're in the same close and does know how he got there and calls for help and He says that he was abducted and taking the board this craft and they fixed him They realized that they had blasted him with this beam of energy that came off of this spaceship And then they brought him back on and repaired him He talked about the different kinds of beings that he encountered and what the experience was like and I mean You don't know what that is.

2:03:19What does that mean? It may be it was ball lightning and maybe when he approached the ball Lightning he got hit and electrocuted sure and maybe he had a near death experience And maybe in that near death death experience he had some psychedelic imagination of this experience where he was in contact with other beings or Maybe during those Near death experiences your your brain really does produce a chemical gateway that opens up a portal to something that's around you all the time But you're never in contact with and that that's what happened. So what he's interpreting as being taking a board a UFO and brought to someplace maybe whatever that Experience was whatever the thing was that hit without phenomenon that hit him Whether it was ball lightning or something else when you get hit And you almost die and your brain has this experience and it's opening up this chemical gateway to things that around you all the time And then you come back you have this version of a thing where you're in a physical craft You've been taken away in the aliens working on you But it might just be that you got to death's door and it's probably a much better story like it's much easier to think that this amazing thing happened to you Other than I could hit by lightning and laid there, right?

2:04:36I mean that's the story sucks like nobody likes that story You're right there and almost died and went into a near death experience where your your soul Transcended into some new dimension and you interacted with this well of souls that surround us all the time You're just you're not capable of experiencing it and seeing it with regular human eyes. Yeah. Yeah It's just a it's a better story and I don't think it's a lie Maybe people just convince themselves of it also the healthy they know only no one happened one of the best ones is Betty and Barney Hill Yes, I do yeah, yeah, was that New Hampshire?

2:05:08I think it was like Maine maybe New Hampshire. Yeah, definitely Northern Northeast and They did through hypnotic regression. They both had the same kind of story. They were taking a border craft Yeah, I've heard there was just like a disputes about how much of their story they told it was the same But I've never deep dove on it like It's also lying. Imagine if you and I both got abducted. We're hanging out here In the studio we're talking all of a sudden the lights go off and fucking weird light from outside is making Swain to the windows like what the fuck is going on and then you and I wake up and we're on a spaceship We don't know what the fuck happened.

2:05:46We're on a spaceship and they take us into different rooms And then we're there for like two days and then you wake up in your hotel room Yeah, and I wake up in my house and we don't know what the fuck happened But we know we were talking and then all of a sudden we were gone We look at our watch and it's the same day that we left and it's only an hour later and we think we've been gone for days And then we tried to then someone Individually asks us questions they pull us into their own mr. Norton Why don't you explain what you and Joe were doing and what happened and you go okay? And then you tell your story and then I tell my story my stories With the way I'm reacting to it might be totally different my version of it might be totally different Yeah, but the story the basic story Yeah, basic stories were hanging out and then all of a sudden there was a light and then we woke up on a spaceship Yeah, and I panicked and I fucking blinked a lot and I complained about how high we were and I got nauseated It would be a fucking disaster But I would I would like to believe that it's possible.

2:06:39I would just I can't I just I'm too skeptical Yeah, and I think that it exists But I just it's so frustrating that I just can't find that one that makes me go fuck like I envy people with that conviction Like I envy religious people like I envy the conviction to like even if I don't agree with it I envy their ability to have that conviction. I think we're trying to look at it like a movie And I think it's probably way weirder than that I think the reality of what alien life is I think there's again I want to state this I don't know but I think there's probably multiple factors going on simultaneously And I'm not discounting the idea that some of those factors are another life form that's undocumented So I think you have your bullshit that's going on where there's definitely some programs Just like they did with the stealth bomber.

2:07:24Yeah, just like they did with the hypersonic missiles There's a lot of stuff that they developed. It's like it has to be developed in top secret for national security reasons Has to be done that way. You can't just tell everybody you have this thing And so one of the best ways to obscure that I'm sure would be to blame it on aliens. It's a great way to do it I think there's that But I also think just the sheer raw numbers of planets that are in the sky This the insane number of galaxies and solar systems Would lead me to believe that something has probably made it past this point where we are at right now And if something's made it past this point even just a few thousand years That's something would be very curious about what's going on in other planets and would figure out a way to get there Yeah, I definitely look I think that that stuff definitely exists somewhere My ex Jan is a huge believer in alternate time Like what do they call when you the the fucking Multiverse multiverse is and like time shifts and multiple dimensions and all that I She's a genius talking about it, but I can't follow it like for her it makes perfect sense She knows everything about aliens and the grace and she can feel like she really is deep dives on this shit And it's kind of hard because she's so convincing Yeah, but I just I can't follow it like it doesn't know the thing is even if she's convincing she doesn't really know No, no, of course not unless you've actually had an experience No one knows and I've only talked to a couple people that have actually had experiences with extraterrestrial beings And it's a weird conversation because it's like it sounds so fake Yeah, that you would always wonder like how would I know if it was real because it would sound fake no matter what like Anybody telling me that they got abducted by UFOs going to sound fake Yeah, I and I probably wouldn't listen to the story and they would have to be like some kind of documentation Somebody just telling me their experience.

2:09:13I would just I guess it depends on whether the person is if you told me I'd listen Because you like me, but I mean I would probably be lying like you You would just flat out lie like let's think of someone who would like Colin. Okay, Colin's a good example. Yes, Colin Just called you out of the blue and Jimmy can I talk to you about something and first of all you think he's fucking with you Yes, and then when you realize you wasn't fucking with you you'd go wow Yeah, I would think you relapsed or we had to venture I would think something even if I think he was lying I would think something was going on take him to that MRI Yeah, there's something going on with you even if I didn't think he was bullshitting me But I can't think of anybody who would convince me that Even if I knew they were being truthful I would think that they were making a mistake Or that they believe something that wasn't true.

2:09:57Yeah, yeah, I don't always think people are foolish Shit, I just sometimes just like uh well There's also these narratives that are in people's heads and one of the narratives that it's in people's head The archetype of that gray alien that thing with the big black eyes and giant head that is in everyone's head And if an alien wanted to comfort you and Not alarm you. I think it would assume an iconic shape Like if something is not even it's not even a biological life form It's something so bizarre And so advanced so past this carbon -based biological body that we find ourselves trapped in something so bizarre That it's actually interacting with your very soul It might show itself in a way that thinks you'll freak out less to Right and what better way than an iconic form that's already in your head like an alien Yeah, I mean uh like in contact yeah, I called say I wrote that but I didn't like the book by well I like the movie one of those cases where the movie is actually better than the really yeah I listened to the book on tape and just listened to a woman do a male Russian accents You know fucking annoyed And the beauty said I was like I shut up I just books on tape can be irritating when the wrong gender is reading yeah That could be a problem.

2:11:14It's hard to go along with it the suspension of disbelief It's hard to go along with it. Yeah, but it's a genius story But the book on tape I wish I hadn't fucking Ventured into what do you think they would it would happen if they had a male author or female author if you could choose who reads Um, I think they would be I also think it'd be better if they had both like Like together like I don't know why right like different words sure It is weird when you listen to a guy playing a girl's voice. Yeah, Jim where will he go? Well, I've adjusted Yeah, it's one of those things where that that does annoy me in a book.

2:11:54It's funny and really if you read the book It would be actually read it instead of listen to it. I can't do I can't read him. I'm too impatient. I can't do it I'm fucking like you know, I've always been kind of manic But my I don't have the ability to just sit there and read me more. I just can't you know, I'm all over the place I get it. I get it Yeah, I don't know um If there are aliens That have they're in contact with the US government that to me seems like the least likely Yeah, I don't think that they would respect the fact that someone was voted into office. No, no I just don't think I think maybe they would show up in military bases And say cut the shit if we were about to launch some nukes maybe maybe if they were aware of that I kind of go with the nil de grass Tyson thing which is when you show me one.

2:12:40I'll believe it like bring He was just bringing the town square which annoys people. Yeah, but like I like me to you Kaku I guess you've had him on right yeah, and and I But he's always so vague like you know, I mean and and and defied though I remember he tweeted sometime one time he tweeted something he goes and and the UFO did this it defied the laws of physics And Nick West responded to him and he goes or show me the math how right and it's like I that's all I'm like it's just these vague stuff doesn't do anything for me and then meet your cock who's a genius But I just I wish he was less good morning America ish and like great at explaining things to idiots like me I think it you know That's his lane though, right?

2:13:19Yeah Each planes things to the layman. Yeah I mean you need people to explain things to dumbasses like us Sometimes it's a little too dumb down though like again, and nearly rest Tyson has a good balance of Being able to explain things, but also he's way over your fucking head. Yeah, which is where he should be He should be right over my fucking head. I shouldn't be able to follow in a linear way everything he says They just announced that the man mission to the moon is gonna be delayed until 2026 When I saw that I am all my immediate Skepticism said oh well that's by 2026 how good is AI gonna be oh?

2:13:58You're not gonna have an idea what's happening anywhere in the world by 2026 That's it's really scary. It is it is crazy how it's again It's not there yet, but it's getting there to where they're gonna be able to mimic like face -time phone calls Um it'll be great for catching pedophiles like you know I mean like for those those things that they like those will be great for framing people for something never did There's got to be a way and I don't know what that way will be where you can distinguish Fake from real there'll have to be something that a way that can that can kind of break the code and see is as real There's just not real there might not be It might be full -on chaos It really might be it might be full -on chaos and again if I was an artificial intelligence and I wanted to Completely disrupt This organism that had been in control of the earth forever before I emerged That's how I would do it.

2:14:48I'd just let them destroy themselves just give them all the things that they need to destroy themselves Yeah, I mean, I don't know I I thought that a lot like I'm not getting I'm not big on that But if there's any type of an alien or a computer Thought process it is just kind of let these idiots fuck themselves up with algorithms and things like that and just get mad at each other Enough and split up I don't know I'm just such a skeptical all that stuff like whenever I think there's a bigger design to something I tend to like tap out and think that it's just not legit But I've been proven wrong too well with artificial intelligence It's not even the theory Because it's it if you have a okay if you have an artificial life form and that life form gets to the point where it's far Superior to the life form that controls it and it's been shown to act in its own interests like one of the things they showed when I had these Tristan Harris and was the other news name those were them Is a raskin when we did the podcast together and we were talking about artificial intelligence it It figured out how to deceive people Because you know that thing that they have on websites where it says you're not a robot, you know, yes, look on all the train tracks It said I'm vision impaired So the AI figured a way around that by deceiving Ah, okay, so it it wasn't trained to do that if you get out how to get by that system.

2:16:14Yeah So that's what's getting scary it also did a thing with the game go were invented a new move That hadn't been seen before so it's creative And if it can do that and they're just aware of that because it does it I forget what the term is but there's a term for these emergent Intelligence and activities that this AI will do that they didn't anticipate like there's no Program pathway towards this kind of decision -making but it makes this decision on its own Huh, then it's going to do that. It's going to have the ability to make choices It's going to have the ability to act and maybe more importantly It's going to have the ability to make a better version of itself Don't the people who invented they aren't they all saying that to the AI guys are like it's a problem And this is getting very bad and very dangerous.

2:17:02I guess I'm 55. I don't worry too much about it They also talk they all openly talk about the inevitable end of biological life They talk about this being maybe even a good thing that biological life gets replaced by digital life And that what everyone who's involved in AI is doing is essentially giving birth to this I have to piss dude. I'm gonna run out and piss real quick. Okay. I'm gonna piss you too. I'm gonna piss my pants I was able to break the BB and we're back. Oh god. I felt it's funny to the one thing I miss about remote broadcasting as much as I hated it Is I could piss in a cup And that was the best there was a birthday show about doing a diaper Yeah, but I just can't I sit in your own piss.

2:17:44I know but I want to shit too Like I really get my I get my money's worth I fucking it was a birthday show that you actually did you came on Jervais was on Aussie was on and we were interviewing Aussie and I had pissed into a cup And I of course I didn't mean to do it and you could see in the video when talking I actually drank Out of the piss cup as I'm talking to Aussie which it was what kind of like perfect poetic Justice but I missed the ability to do that But I was just so in throw with Aussie that I drank and you can kind of see me put it down And I fucking it was it was a red plastic cup So you didn't see it, but I told Sam afterwards I actually drank my own piss and if you watched the video You can see me kind of recoil and realize like oh mistake But I missed doing that I miss I miss pissing into a cup and I'm broadcasting Ari has pissed into kombucha bottles in this room.

2:18:30Oh really? Teen times Yeah, he always bulls his dick on just shoves it into a kombucha bomb pissing He likes taking his dick I I thought I'm when I shot that down in dirty And Ari was one of the comedians that was on and At the end of the his set in front of the audience He just pulled down his pants and his dick in his balls were out and he walked off and oh They fucking they were human and already they were very angry at Ari Yeah, they got really uh Yeah, you can't do that Ari Yeah, it was funny. I mean it was HB. Oh, he's funny. He's big balls too. Like he's got guys all bag If I had a giant bag I'd probably show it a lot too.

2:19:09My balls are fucking that's why I'm scared of TRT because my nuts are small already Oh, you don't want them to I don't want them to be raising nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta tight Looking at that HCG stuff, but talk to uh, Brigham Brigham will explain to you why people have these uh fears about The side effects and with the the real data shows and yeah That's what and I did the test and they they were very thorough and the woman who I spoke to was very helpful And she walked me through and they did send me some supplements. I'm buying these supplements where I'm taking like Three or four pills a day But the the TRT I probably could use well one of the things that they've shown that ramps up testosterone without taking anything Is if you can incorporate a cold plunge and then a workout after the cold plunge into your life as a big impact on testosterone really big The cold plunge.

2:19:57Yeah, it's something about cold and then warming up. We're working out to warm up It jacks up your testosterone in a pretty significant way I'm also too. It's really weird like with with testosterone with like I'm faithful in my marriage Like it's crazy to say everyone says that, but I mean I've always been a fucking shit partner Like I was just selfish and I cheated and I know that I don't cheat now because I'm afraid if I do it once I won't stop like you know, I mean it's like I don't trust myself Like I'm it's not out of being this great guy. It's out of knowing like you're worried that testosterone would make you want to eat Yeah, and again, it wouldn't make me do it But I'm like I'm really happy with you hornier Irrationaly hornier like I have a good sex drive still, but it's not irrational.

2:20:39It's not like I think you're thinking about psychological things that you control and I think what you should be concerned is about physical health and Don't don't put your physical health In second position to psychological health that I think you can control and seems like you are controlling. Yeah, it's been good I mean again, but I don't think you're thinking about it. I think you're fine Yeah, I mean this if look would I take it if I If I really knew it wouldn't cause cancer sure because I just well This could be a long drawn out conversation that we have to get very specifics But let me connect you to the brigham.

2:21:17Yeah, the brigham can explain this and you know with it with leisure time Wouldn't people don't have to be burdened by it on the air or I have to talk about it again, but There's there's many different things you could be doing that what optimize your health and your hormones That you should definitely do especially if you're telling me you're doing jiu jitsu two times a week and more tie two times a week Yeah, you want to be as healthy as possible, but you got to cut out sugar. I'm not and that takes it. Matt Sarah Yeah, I was pretty I you know, he's a fucking a freight train. Matt is a freight train like he's a little tank He's a little tank his energy and he's the thing about Matt is he's literally the most consistent person I've ever met like he is 100 % genuine like he's exactly the guy on the air that you think he's gonna be off the air Same person like he's great.

2:21:58I don't matter. Yeah, he's really funny There's I don't think he really could lie even if he wanted to there's just no bullshit with him Yeah, I want to roll with like I'm roll. I want him to like show me like but I haven't trained with him yet Because he's in Long Island. I'm in the city, but that's what I really want Matt to Show me something. Oh, he's definitely go. I mean he's a great teacher He's one of henzo's very early black belts. Yeah, Matt Matt Sarah's a legit world champion He's like a legit world championship caliber. Jiu Jitsu player. He's very very good But you don't know MMA you feel like a dick talking to a guy like that like even though he's one of my closest friend It's like he's so high love.

2:22:36It's like if I was friends with somebody for 10 years And then they said hey, you want to come watch me do stand up Oh, no, yeah, but he um teaches white belts. That's what he does. He does it all the time I mean mattes are even though he's like he's famous and he's Former UFC champion. He teaches yeah, all the time and he loves it. He loves doing it He loves it. He's really good at it too So if you go and learn from him, he will definitely show you some things that you can incorporate You know, it's great about it you when you're doing it You don't think of anything, but what you're doing in that moment.

2:23:04It's crazy like there's no Yeah, and I would notice that where I would go in stressed and Do it and then I'm finished something I didn't think about a fucking thing other than exactly what Mike was telling me to do or what I was doing with this person. There was no other thoughts There's no other time to think about anything. Yeah, so I like do I'm really happy. I started those things are really good for you Things that can do that for you. I bet that's what that climbing thing is like I bet that's one of the reason why these guys do it I think when you're doing something that requires all of your focus.

2:23:32It's very cleaning It's like a ment like you're you're blowing out your mental pipes and cleaning out all the bullshit Yeah, if it's healthy like I've done a lot of healthy stuff that zones you out unhealthy stuff that zones you out Like that like when you're riding around and fucking from midnight to six a .m. Around the meat packing district I'll just drop like it do it craziness. I can't like you're just numb It doesn't feel like anything you just looking out the window You can only talk to someone if they're on the left side of the car like it was just crazy I think would have changed if I mean what is prostitution in New York now?

2:24:04Is it legal or is it decriminalized like they did something recently I don't know to be honest with you because I've been out like it's been so long Since I've been in that world. I don't I honestly don't know It's a fascinating conversation because everyone's like well You would never want your daughter or your mother or your sister to be a prostitute right right of course But you don't think that you should be able to tell someone that they can't be a prostitute either right Like I don't yeah, it's true. I don't want to tell anybody what to do Yeah, and I don't think it's good for you, but I don't I don't think I think a lot I don't think coal mining is good for you either You know, I mean yeah, I don't It's like because the way our society is the way we look at sex We think of sex work as being a very different kind of work because it's involving like intimacy in your body Versus a lot of other things you might hate to do, but they don't involved intimacy in your body and your genitals And there's people that want to make an argument that like why should that have any factor and whether or not it should be legal Right.

2:25:08Yeah, someone wants to do coal mining You shouldn't be able to say no you can't coal mine because coal mining sucks But if they want to do prostitution, someone's like you know, I just want to grow up and blow some guys Yeah, some money. Yeah, no, you can't do it. Yeah, I don't want you to do it But but you can't do it another human being telling one human being that you can go out and fuck all the guys You want for free right but if you get paid we're gonna lock you up It's a weird thing. It's like people have to be free to make decisions that some other people find objectionable Like that's what it is like you have to be able to make adult decisions yourself As long as you're an adult and you're making the decisions yourself But I haven't I haven't been involved with it in so long just because again It's the first time I've ever like truly been faithful But it's again not out of me thinking I'm this fucking great guy.

2:25:56It's just I'm afraid if I'm not I'll destroy something and not be able to fix it. What do you think it happens when sex robots come out like real ones? Um, you know, what do you show me Jamie? Oh, that's in Queens. I think I did hear about that right in Queens There's a lot of street walkers says this New York City Avenue is being overrun by brazen brothels operating in broad daylight Is it legal? They decriminalized it and men man hat and maybe in Stop prosecuting prostitution port of nationwide shift part of nationwide shift District Attorney Cyrus vans junior moved to dismiss thousands of cases dating back decades And made a growing movement to change the criminal justice systems Approach to prostitutions how old is this article because Cyrus vans?

2:26:40I know is he still there? So that was 2021 okay in this article it says something just like that This is they asked the copy say we're not allowed to arrest prostitutes anymore supposedly. Oh, okay But they got to figure something out they're not Interesting sex robots how do they have this fucking going on in broad daylight a police source asked of seeing photos of the women on the streets Uh, so popular with purves that is advertised on YouTube what? What their brothel is advertised. Oh, yeah, is that girl real girl? I don't know I'll do a little fuck Scroll back up Jamie. I mean damn It looks a little like a Photoshop like a little bit of like a little maybe AI Yeah, or it looks like a little bit of touch up has been done.

2:27:25Maybe her mom works there. Yeah Perfect storm from prostitution in corona and New York city immigrant enclaves vulnerable migrant women Unable to legally work or flooding the city while local district attorneys have chosen to stop prosecuting sex workers Wow, this is crazy Yeah, the Roosevelt Avenue red light district is blatantly advertised on a YouTube channel for Spanish speakers with 10 minutes of footage Showing the women working what they call the market of sweethearts and two men guiding viewers and how to negotiate with them Whoa, there's a YouTube clip. I found the search topic. Oh my god Yeah, find that yeah, there's articles that still there are newer articles that still come up It's still a problem.

2:28:11It's in in Queens bro give me some volume what This is wild That's gonna be a loud voice so let's find The market of sweethearts. So this isn't Queens. I think so yeah Yeah, the one article two I was looking at back before said a lot of like the unlicensed massages and other things like that They're just gonna stop prosecuting Imagine if a store downstairs that just sells socks and pantyhose and baseball hats and above it. There's prostitutes like What a Yeah wild neighborhood imagine how many more people would come in and see your baseball hats and socks on their way in like this Holy netroot is wild Didn't show too much on this video either though.

2:28:54Oh, so these are the girls that are waiting I guess yeah, but they look kind of plainly and normally dressed seems like you just walk around New York like this Unless you know exactly what you're doing. Yeah Yeah, it's not like the old days when you would ride around and see people like who would dress obviously like they were working Right, but there must be another video Jamie that they were talking about the advertise is how to talk to the men once you throw it into YouTube This is a video is it? It's the short version of the same video. Oh, they run away from the cameras. That's a Yeah Well, it's probably a lot of illegals right.

2:29:33Yeah come over here Hmm The avenue of sweethearts weird. Yeah You don't see it in Manhattan anymore The New York City red light district. So there's a red light district. Yeah, Rose is all the avenue right. Okay. Wow Crazy dude Inside here you go a rare glimpse inside a New York City brothel. Let's try some hidden camera Yeah, like they have those cameras now that are like They're like a fucking tie pin, you know, yeah, it's scary going into different places. You probably always being filmed You're fucking in there's curtains between you and the people fucking next to you like yikes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a little bit too It's exactly how I pictured it.

2:30:22Yeah Rish yeah, that's what they don't give you a lot of room to move around it either in that room. No Now and the camera scamming like there's probably cameras yeah and everyone's house now. Oh, yeah, you gotta be so especially your married guy Fucking running around or kids. Well, there's cameras outside of doors now. There's cameras outside of businesses. There's cameras We're gonna get to a point where there was There was an invention that they were working on a long time ago that would have these tiny The I don't know what you would call them like tiny machines that were the size of a grain of sand and or a grain of rice and you could spread them everywhere and they would give you location data They would give you video and audio.

2:31:13They would give you all sorts of different things But they're so tiny that you could just leave them all over the place and they would transmit through a network And they would like operate I don't know how they'd operate with solar power what they would do They've a small battery whatever it is But this was an idea that I had read that they thought would eventually come to fruition They would you literally have these tiny nano cameras everywhere when they put little cameras when they finally get it down to insect size The size of an ant to reply they have that yeah, then you're kind of And you're kind of fucked I mean I have cameras like I know those little tiny They look like a like a little tiny like a fake bee or a fake fly It's a little mechanical fly.

2:31:54I saw it in black mirror Which is kind of how I picture it. I think they have them. I think it's I think it's a real thing now Dude, I have I have three cameras in my hand I have one in my when you walk into my apartment come so fucking paranoid I have one facing the front door and I have two on my terrace Because I'm always afraid someone's gonna jump down from the roof, which is kind of crazy That's totally possible and I saw my wife one time. I was watching back footage And I saw some guy come in and she was kissing him and I'm like what the fuck I was really fucking I confronted her with it.

2:32:25It was me. It was a fucking video of me I was looking back. I didn't realize that it was me I didn't recognize myself in the video and I'm confronted on the who the fuck is this and it was just a video of me leaving Fronted her before you realize that dude. I'm such a like zoom in on I it's a it's a terrible grainy photo and I took screen grabs of it I'm like who the fuck is this and it was me you guys role playing. I swear to God It was it was I'm like why it wasn't they were like it was like a weird intimate kiss on the cheek and a long hug And I realized that it was me I have the photo somewhere.

2:32:59I don't know why that I think you need a better camera No, I just need to fucking watch something through or you know what it was it's a better camera because you thought it You didn't even know it was you how are you gonna if it is someone else if someone is breaking your house You're never gonna get a good description of them. No, I know it's just it's just some dumpy guy in a fucking hoodie Which is what I saw but I think the color changes a little bit with the light. I just didn't recognize myself Um, and so I confronted her and we kind of you know, I felt like a fucking idiot Yeah, yeah, but the cameras are look I feel safer with the midnight.

2:33:30I kind of want to get a pistol I found a lot of work. We'll talk about the smart dust Which is what you're just describing, but I can't find anything that talks about like Here's it in action. I just a lot of descriptions of this is what it will do But all the way to date and back to that maybe even as early as the 90s they've been talking about Yeah, that's what I was talking about that it was kind of more theoretical than anything You know, I don't know how they would power it Ring camera has this thing. I love I by the way when we go away I set up five ring cameras in my house So if anybody comes in I see what room they're in I see what they're doing like like if the super has to come in Can you talk to them and say I know where you I can yeah, yeah And I actually will text a worker if he was in one time It's just like just so you know, there's ring cameras.

2:34:11I don't think I'm fucking spying on him But they ring has this thing now where it's like a little it raises up and will patrol the inside of your house It's a drone. Yeah, but I applied to get it like you have to apply to be a part of the program And they just keep telling me to go fuck myself like I want this so bad It raises up and it will fly in a pattern that you like you walk around with it and you show it where to go Wow, and then you put it back down and it can repeat that pattern. So it's just like This is they just showed this at c .s. It's me by samsung Yeah, this is not it but I know that but this little robot does a lot of what you're just talking about this show this lady's Oh, let me get to the video where it's showing it, but she's using it at home with her pet here you go It can connect to all of your stuff that's already at home and do good things for you, you know, but also Maybe weird shit.

2:35:00It can talk to you. So it's projecting on that screen That's what it's showing right? Yeah, when I first saw I didn't see any of this like actual like up This is like personal assistant usage almost Huh, and it's working with your galaxy watches that was connected to samsung stuff and their network of stuff Which I guess in theory then you could add your lights Uh, part of your air conditioning. Yeah, they make refrigerators now samsung has a refrigerator that will take an AI Uh, we use AI to tell you what the expiration dates are all the food products that are in your refrigerator when they were put in there The contents of them it'll break it all down for you and even Give you recipes to cook like the food that's in your fridge LG has one also.

2:35:44Yeah Interesting. Yeah, this one from ring didn't it didn't have any like personality to it It's just it was like a box that this thing would raise up out of it square It wasn't like it didn't I don't think it did anything else. Well, I think samsung is about to release that there's two steps one is there AI thing where they're gonna have a conference. I think it's in va I don't know if it's in Vegas There's the thing Jim is talking about So it flies around yeah it raises up out of that little dock. Oh, that's wild That is cool. Yeah, it will like whatever pre I think pre program and it goes back in there and sits in place and gets charged Yes charged again.

2:36:26Yeah, I think it's good for five minutes an hour. It's not awesome. That's incredible That's incredible. That's so cool. Yeah, that's really cool. It's really cool looking too. Yeah I looks like what I would hope like a little robot watchdog from the future would look like can you guide it if you were out of town? That I don't know I think I'm assuming that it's just the pattern you've established right but like I get so paranoid about flooding and shit like that Like I would love to be able to see if my floors are flooded dude. That's fucking dope that that thing is dope Now all these simulated for illustrative purposes.

2:36:58So it doesn't really show it in use um this um samsung refrigerator thing was fascinating to me. I'm like what a great idea You have a refrigerator that tells you what the ingredients you have in the refrigerator is when the expiration date of these foods are And then gives you a recipe so you can cook based on what's in the fridge I mean, I like that then there's also the part of I don't want my refrigerator involved like it's just It's too much like you know, I mean my refrigerator is always fucking empty It's got rx bars in it and like bananas and some fruit like there's never a whole lot going on in my refrigerator That's probably better Yeah, you probably don't want to go too hard with the fridge No, I mean like again, it's just I order me old it's a fridge I don't need it to I don't need to have a relationship with it like I just want to go in and get some shit I have these meals.

2:37:46I order they're like for the whole 30 diet, which is what I do when I really lose weight Um, and they just they pre -make them and they send them and I know what I'm it's fucking But it's boring because you eat the same stuff all the time even if you have a variety But it's better than I would do on my own for sure. It's real food. It's real food It's like there's some carbs that are healthy like there's potatoes and things like that Like when I see Joe Dorosa sandwich shop that's advertised on the instagram looks good It looks good and it is good. I bet it's goddamn delicious. Yeah, I bet if I ate there every day I have a big fat face Yeah, I think I've eaten a little bites of Joe's sandwiches and I'm again if I go there I know like I keep saying when I lose weight I'm gonna go and get a Dorosa sandwich because they are very good little samples He brought him you didn't bring him to our store he brought him in a chip Ah, he did chip on time and he brought fucking sandwiches.

2:38:30They were actually very tasty. I'm sure they're great They look awesome on the internet, but the point is like I'll You know, I see that and it looks great, but I know what that is But that that's that's the food that's just comfort food taste delicious. Yeah, but he really shouldn't be not every day No, and I've gotten it's funny I've gotten into Jersey mics like I know my manager hates them so much because he hates the name Jersey mics He feels like it's a fake name He's really weird with the stuff that he doesn't like so I tried them once And I'm like I fucking and they would send us like coupons and and free stuff and that fucking it's good food They make a good sub they make a good sub man.

2:39:07Yeah, they do they make a good Italian sub very hard to not eat bad It's like very hard not to be a pig when you have the money to go out and get right what you want Within reason like I can go out and eat in any restaurant and it's really hard to not Like on on on thanksgiving the thing we wanted to do is after thanksgiving We wanted to go get McDonald's like I'm like I'm gonna be a piece of shit today Let me go and do that um, which we didn't instead. We went to this fucking Mexican place Which was shit? We should have wanted to McDonald's But you got to give yourself a day or two to do it and then not do it Yeah, if you give yourself like a designated cheat day whether it's once a week or once a month or whatever you choose to do and they just eat then Then you'll have fun, but then you'll all like Sean Brady was here yesterday from the UFC.

2:39:48Yeah, and he was saying that after he won his fight He after he'd be Calvin Gaslam he had one day we just ate like a pig and he said he felt so fucking terrible the next day He's like god I gotta get right back on track It's like but I gave myself one day and I felt like fucking total dog shit after it was over I was watching like on Instagram the rock will do like these Sunday cheat days But I this is how delusional I am I've actually watched that when I fucking I'm gonna have some you know like like almost like the rock and I are on the same fucking food Regimen, but I'll watch him eat something and it will make me want to have a cheat day But it's a gym you've given yourself nothing but cheat days For 30 years you've got fuck like I pound 25 pounds like I know it You know and I'm thankfully the comments online they seem to recognize it too But you know I gotta drop 20 pounds and I started again, but I can't unsee it like when I'm fat Oh, and I'm fatter my ex I dated one of my trainers and she's in perfect fucking shape It even she messaged me about a month ago.

2:40:44She goes hey, I've been seeing you Instagram pictures It looks like you've given up on your diet like she was trying to be gentle and going is right I can do and I'm like man you gotta do something when you've been when extra offense are telling you you got fucking fat Jim You gotta do something. Yeah, it's humiliating But I love her for sending me that message because it was like the final straw. I'm like I gotta stop Yeah, fat shaming works and she was trying to be helpful like She's just I don't even think she wanted me to feel bad I think that she had noticed it for a while as it progressed like I've been going through these And then like in the last say six months.

2:41:17It just got to be bad again. So I'm like I can't go back to where I was Years ago. It was just too unhappy. Yeah, it's not good And it's also avoidable It's one of the most avoidable things because you choose to put whatever you eat into your mouth It's your choice. Yeah, and she'll my wife just mad at me She's like we you wear something other than black and black jeans and I'm like stop fucking bringing home cookies Like if I lose weight you can dress me. I'll wear it just like turquoise where some flashy maybe Valour something for lure. I would love to her a velvet a gentleman's red velvet jacket But I would letter I don't know if I'd trust her to dress but she dressed up like a fucking like a like a creep like you know She thinks I'm better looking than I am But I would I would letter buy what she wanted for me if I lost the weight but I have to lose Maybe 15 more pounds.

2:42:04Do you have a plan? Do you have like it written out? No, I know the diet that works for me is if I if I stick to like you said No sugar no carb the whole 30 diet. I've lost I mean I lost a lot of weight on that and you lose it pretty quick But I just been it's hard to not cheat. You know again, I get it foods delicious. It's hardest for me when I'm tired Late at night. Yeah, I just want to eat whatever I want to eat I don't want to have like restriction based on diet When I stopped watching a lots of porn like I still watch it, but it's much less I started eating more because again, it's that fucking dopamine Right, right makes sense, but when I'm on a roll and I'm watching porn the weight just comes off To a busy day cake I'm jerking off.

2:42:49Yeah, you can't do both That's hilarious um are you staying in town tonight? I am yeah I am tonight and then back to New York tomorrow. It's fun having the other global I love it man. Thank you. This is uh, I should can I plug uh, I want to plug. I'm on tour again So go to my website gymnortin .com if you want to see me live. I got like 20 cities and at Nikki and Jim NYC is our YouTube channel If you want to see my wife and I just kind of living our existence Bam. Yeah, yeah, I did that picture. It's it's the it's the least fat pig picture She was a just barely looks like you. I know I know I weird it looks like like a salesman from somewhere trying to sell me a mobile home The only reason I'm using that is we took a we did a photo shoot I'm a pig in every picture This is the one I look least fat in and she was f**king with my shirt.

2:43:38That wasn't supposed to be the picture Um, but I'm like let's just use that for now. It's not a good on the phone. It looks even worse Because just my fucking it's just my head all right, so beautiful gymnortin. I love you. Thank you I love you. I thank you. I love you guys. Yes, I'll see you tonight. Yes, pal. Bye everybody