#2108 - Tom Green

25:22And they bring these dogs in from the Bahamas in Mexico called Potcake Dogs. And Charlie. Anyways, we went out in the desert and everybody loves Charlie, like you said. There's Charlie. Charlie looks like she was just taking a nap. Yeah. What the fuck you wake me up with, dad? But she's just taking a nap. The funniest thing is Charlie actually goes on stage with you. We should tell people. Yeah, she just chills out up there. I just kind of take her. It's got to be so weird when you're killing all that noise. She's, she's, she's kind of used to it. But isn't that strange? What a strange experience for a dog.

26:00Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be in the Bahamas. Yeah. And then all of a sudden she's on stage with Tom Green. That's right. She left. She left his chair and she's just sitting there like, what the fuck is this like? Yeah, yeah. I'd look at her sometimes and wonder. She left at five weeks old, the Bahamas. So that was. Oh, she got her five weeks old. And then was in San Diego. She got adopted by somebody else for like three months, basically. And then they couldn't keep her. I got her at three months. And. And it's funny. She grows up in the Bahamas. Then she goes to California. And then then I moved back with her.

26:37I moved back to Canada since I was last here. And I left left Los Angeles following in your footsteps. The exodus continues. I wasn't just me, man. I keep getting like label as a pied piper of this. But come on, everybody was leaving. Yeah. I got to say though, like, you know, there was a lot of factors to change my entire life. I, you know, I sold my house around the time right after I was here. And that was the house that was the Tom Green show. I owned for 18 years that I did the WeboVision show in WeboVision. We called it. And why don't you do a show now? So I'm actually, I'm building a podcast studio in my barn.

27:17It's in a unheated century barn. And you can heat it. Nope. Not going to heat it. No. But you're going to have conversations where you're freezing. Yeah. We're going to wear really warm jackets. That's one thing that's cool about Canada. Like, people, people talk about the cold and how, you know, fucking cold it is up there. But like, the cool thing about the cold when you get, when you kind of get acclimated to it, is you can kind of regulate your temperature. Like, you wear a really warm Arctic jacket in the barn while you're doing the podcast. We'd probably move it in at some point. Also, you can die outside.

27:52You can't die. Yeah. It's a different thing. Yeah. It's a different thing. And it makes more resilient people. Yeah. I think it makes better people. I really do. I was thinking about how you do. There's the barn, yeah. You're freezing. You're dick off, son. First of all, why not? That's my dad. That's my dad there. Yeah. So, yeah. If, you know, you should get sponsored by like one of those, like heater body suit companies. Yeah. Yeah. For deer hunters when they sit in those blinds. Yeah. That's cool. If deer hunters when they sit in tree stands, you know, fucking cold you get. Yeah. See, if it's cold out, that's one thing.

28:26But if it's cold out and you're not moving, that's another thing. Yeah. That's another thing. You can be, it can be fucking zero degrees. But if you're hiking, you're fine. Well, I wear these. We're talking, we're actually talking to a sponsor right now. They're, they're, they're, they're might sponsor it. They're, they're, they're this clothing company bath and then they, they make the warmest jackets, right? So, it's like, you can really regulate your temperature, right? And that, that's the thing. Like, if you know how to do that, because I, I got, I, it's been a lifestyle change. I bought, I got this farm.

28:56I'm on a farm now that I live on and basically I'm going to live there now for the rest of my life. I know it. I'm never going to leave this place. I love it so much. That's awesome. It's, it's a wilderness area with, I enjoy your videos from there. It looks like you're really enjoying it. I am really loving it. You know, it's just, it's just such a piece of mine to get up in the morning. And I've got this mule and I got my strap there on the side on, yeah, I got my mule. And this is a whole new thing, Joe. I mean, I don't know, I didn't, first of all, I didn't know anything about horses and mules.

29:35But I got a mule and a donkey and some chickens and the mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse, correct? Yes. And I did not know that a year and a half ago, they're supposed to like the most resilient animals for like riding trails and stuff. So mules are, so yeah, I, it's sort of all, it, it all started with, I found this property in this farm and I wanted to be outside. And then there was these two old barns there and I would look at these barns and I'd say, they were kind of calling for something to be put in them. They were a hundred years old, there's stuff stored in them. And so some, some friends of mine and I, we kind of cleaned up the barns and we, I got this mule and this donkey.

30:17And so initially the idea was, I thought a mule would be kind of funny, right? Because they got bigger ears and they're kind of, I was thinking three amigos, I was thinking a donkey, I was thinking a mule was a donkey, I didn't even really know that much about it. But, and I started looking for a mule that you could ride and there's not that many mules in Canada. They're much more of a southwestern, you know, American thing. You know, George Washington bought, brought mules to America. It was a big part of, you know, settling America with, they would use him for farming. He brought them in? Yeah, he was instrumental in being a big part of getting mules here.

30:56They would use them for, you know, harvest, and you know, pulling, you know, harvesting crops and doing all the work around the farms and stuff. They've also been used in war a lot. They've been used in military. So a lot of pioneers preferred them to horses. Yeah. They're extremely strong and they're very, very smart. They go longer without water. Longer with? Yeah. They use less water, less food. My friend Clay Nukum is actually a mule expert. Okay. He's been on the podcast before. Oh, cool. He talked about fancy mules and like how you pick a mule and train in a mule. Oh, I want to, I want, oh, I follow him actually.

31:30I follow Clay on Clay's interest on, on, on, he's got a podcast called the Bear Greece podcast. Uh -huh. You know, it's a lot of it is about bear hunting and Arkansas. Oh, nice, nice. And just interesting, like outdoor stories, like he's a very, very interesting guy, but he just knows a ton about mules. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery, actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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33:14It's so crazy about them is they're extremely smart to a point that it's, you know, people say stubbornness amule. It's not really stubbornness. What is it? What is it? Self preservation. So they figure out, basically I'm riding this animal now. She's a very big mule as you can see, she's a very big mule. She's called 16 three hands as the way you measure horses and mules and she's like as tall as they get. But her mother was a horse, so a persharon paint mix. So it's a persharon workhorse, almost like a Clyde stale. So she gets her size from that and her father's a mammoth donkey and she's 10 years old.

33:56A mammoth donkey? A mammoth. Yeah. What a great name. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's definitely created a very large, strong, serious animal. I want to say a picture of my mammoth donkey. Yeah, how big of that? There we go, yeah. Yeah, so you can sort of see. Whoa, look at the size of that fucking thing. That's a donkey. Yeah. Holy shit, dude. And you can ride those two, so. Oh. And that's, but our, our donkey's hearted between 900 and 1200 pounds. Yeah. Our donkey's hearted. It's hard to train than mules. I'm not sure of the answer to that. I'm not sure. But I know that mules are easier to train than horses.

34:35So I would assume, because they, they'd learn and mules are sterile. They're sterile, yeah. So a, it's a hybrid animal, and it can't breed, which is, isn't that fascinating that, like, a male of one species can breed, but the male of another species, they make an offspring. It's alive. It has testicles, it has sex drive, it has everything. Can't breed. So, weird. So the horse has, let me get this right. I've been, I've been trying to learn as much about it as possible, because I'm riding this thing and I don't want to die. Because you can fall off it, and it's not fun falling off. I've fallen off a couple of times.

35:11But, yeah, it wasn't too bad. Yeah, during the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it was, it was my own fault. I was streaming on Instagram and not paying attention. That's a good for beginners. Don't, don't, don't let go of the reins and play with your phone while you're riding on a 1 ,400 pound mule. Fanny's 1 ,400 pounds. That's fucking huge, man. But yeah, I guess though it's a horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62. And so when they breed, they take one of, it ends up that the donkey, the mule has 63 chromosomes, which is not an even number and therefore makes it sterile. So, this is what I'm trying to ask.

35:50Oh, that's what it is. It's something of a number. Something kind of complicated like that, but. This is fascinating though, that nature figured out a way to stop everything from fucking everything and just getting it pregnant. Isn't it like nature's like we've got to have a system in here? Because that's just, that's untenable. That's going to lead to chaos. Like if humans imagine, humans could get other things pregnant. Everything would be a hybrid of a human. Like everything. Yeah, like be a lobster human hindrance. But somebody would do that. Island filled with turtle people. People walking around with exoskeletons going, hey, this ain't so bad.

36:27You could be on the island, I can't believe someone on fucked a turtle. And there's going to be this guy like with a turtle shell on. Fuck you. Yeah. You know, he's going to be mad at you. Like I'm just saying. Because people are insane. Insane. I mean, somebody has probably fucked a turtle. 100 % someone's fucked a turtle. Right. If you had a bed, everything you own. Sure. Oh, I never said I'd have to eat you. You're not going to go anywhere. You're not going to go anywhere. There's been hopped up on some fucking Vietnamese street math. Right. Fuck the turtle. Of course, yeah. Probably American.

36:56Probably an American guy from the Southwest. Over there hiding from the law or something. And he's messed up and he fucked a turtle. Right. People fucked everything. But no result because of the power, the nature has made these protections, thankfully. The wildest hybrid, of course, is the Liger. Yeah. Because they miss the gene that regulates size. Yeah. They don't have the same gene that Tiger in a lion does. I've seen those. I forget which one, how does it work? Is it a male lion and a female Tiger or a male Tiger and a female lion? I forget which one it is. But in that combination, when they make a Liger, they just keep growing.

37:33They're so big. Yeah, I've looked at these on the internet. I don't, you know, the thing is is I guess a Tiger and a lion and a donkey and a horse are close enough together in evolution to be able to do this. And there's, I guess, no animal that is close enough to us to be able to come close enough. Because you know, they've done experiments. Maybe we just haven't tried. Maybe just nobody's fucked the right thing yet if I get it out. I bet someone pulled it off in China or Russia or something like that. They probably got some chimp human hybrid somewhere. I've heard sort of internet conspiracy theories that there was a Russian experiment that went awry or something like this.

38:12But there was this one very strange case of a chimpanzee that they call humanzy. And this chimpanzee had very human -like features. And it lived with a family. I forget if it was a family of researchers. I forget the story, but they always end tragically because those things ultimately as they get older, they want to be the boss. It's a big male, and they're going to just fuck you up. They're going to bite your fingers off or bite your friends finger. It's always something like that. They always do something horribly, horribly violent, eventually. But this one that they had, they had them for a long time and he looked like a human.

38:46Yeah. He looked weird. And he stood upright a lot and he wore clothes. He's got big old donkey deck. Look at that donkey deck. Oh my gosh. The humanzy of orange part. First of all, humanzy is such a great name. I mean, I almost wish it had worked just for that reason alone. Humanzy. I mean, there'd be humanzies going around. But yeah, I often kind of have little... You can find the, there's some weird shocking pictures of it. Like that one in the upper right -hand corner. The one, yeah, right there. And they're so strong. Click on that one. Look at its face. It's got an odd face. And there's some pictures, I think, they're probably doctor that made it little more human -looking that could confuse people.

39:30But the thing, like, as it got older, see if you could find the older pictures of it. It looked real weird, man. But it was just a chimp. It was just a chimp that had been taught to behave that way. Yeah. Look at how he's walking. He's walking to the chimp. He's non -walking to the human. That's a chimp. I sometimes think about the close calls I've had with, a couple times with animals where I wasn't really giving them the root, not, like, just understanding the power they had. Like, I had a chimpanzee on a show I did once and on my TV show back in the day. And, you know, it was a, it was a trained chimpanzee, but massive.

40:13And, you know, I remember after the show, I just said, hey, can I hang out with a chimpanzee? So it came out and I was just sitting out within the parking lot for about half an hour. Just me in this chimpanzee right in front of me, looking right in my eyes. It was playing with the buttons on my shirt. And, you know, the trainer was 20 feet away. And I just thought it was so the cutest thing. And then, you know, a few years later, I read about the chimpanzee, ripping that, you know, killing people and how violent they are. And you go, man, that is, you know, I had a macaugh at one point, which I actually had to get rid of, you know, big red parrot, you know, macaugh.

40:48And I got it in when it was 13 months old. And this was my biggest disappointment, I'd say, with a pet, because I had gotten this macaugh. It's named Rex. He was on the web show for a period of time. I was after he were on that time. But, and I really love this thing. And I love animals, you know, and I was so fascinated by it because I was realizing, oh, this is a pet that I'm gonna have for the rest of my life. And I was all dedicated to this. And I was really kind of somewhat moved by the fact that I was gonna be having this beautiful macaugh for the rest of my life. And it would, it would pick my teeth and it would stick its beak in my mouth and, you know, literally, like, just kind of, put it to the plate and chew on my ear and all of this kind of stuff.

41:36And then, all of a sudden, when it got to be about 13 years old, it just became a real asshole. Like, it really, really changed. It had been going from this little baby to I couldn't put my hand in the cage without it really biting hard. And it almost took my finger off. I had to go in the cage to clean the cage and I couldn't pick it up anymore. And I actually had to find it a new home. But, do you think it just didn't like being in the cage? I'm sure it didn't. I wouldn't like it like it myself, you know? And that feels bad too. That's the thing I don't really like about having a macaugh. You're a prison warden, yeah.

42:13Exactly, I started to feel really bad. So I took it back to the bird place where I got in it and they said to me, oh, yeah, we don't, it's been 13 years later, you know? I've been spending, I've been spending 75 bucks a month on walnuts for 13 years. Okay, you know, these eat a lot of walnuts. And then they say, oh, yeah, we don't sell macaugh anymore because when they get to be 13, they change and they become really, really mean. I'm like, oh, you could have told me that 13 years ago, but so it was like, like, there's an internal clock? Yeah, they just think it's like a puberty thing. Like a puberty thing, yeah.

42:45And so I feel bad, but I got her a better home. That's why it's scary to be in front of a chimp. Because the chimp, exactly. They could just decide. I have one fuck this guy. I have these moments where I think about the time when that macaugh would have its beak in my mouth, you know, just months before I could have ripped my face part sitting with that. But the fanny, this mule, and I have the donkey as well, who is your companion for her named Kia. She was a two -year -old donkey. And the donkey will live to be 50, potentially. And the fanny is a big animal. So she could live to be 30, 35 years old.

43:22And so she's 10 now. So it's a big responsibility. And I really kind of consider them now after having them just for a short time, kind of family, you know, it's an amazing thing. But the thing that's, I think the thing that's most interesting about a mule, I'm just kind of, we won't talk about mules for the whole show. But, you know, they are so smart that they figure you out. So I'm new to this. So when I first got her, I was given one day of training on how to ride a horse, you know, so I learned how to saddle her up. I learned how to get up on this thing. You know, you pull the rain, you look where you want to go, you push with your foot opposite of the side you want to turn.

44:05There's a sort of little rhythm to that. And it went great for about a month, but then she started sort of figuring out that I was sort of uncertain in what I was doing. She started to understand that I didn't know what I was doing. And so she starts testing me, right? And I don't necessarily realize that's what's going on. So when I'd be saddling her up, she would move. So I'd go to saddle her, take the saddle, it's a big saddle, you gotta put it up on her back, put a saddle pad on and you gotta put the saddle on. And then she would move into me and kind of push me, you know? And I didn't really know how to prevent that.

44:40She's 1 ,400 pounds. So I'd have to kind of lead her around, try to get her back in position. It became this weird sort of dance of me running around, trying to get the saddle on. I'd eventually get it on. But what happens is she ends up losing all respect for me because I'm letting her sort of be the leader, right? And so Mule really wants to, wants me to be the leader. And it's hard for me to be the leader at first because I'm uncertain. So they sense uncertainty. So when I'm riding her, and there's wolves at my place in the woods. Oh, fun, yeah, I got a story about that too. And there's wolves there.

45:29I was showing Jamie before the show. There's a video of them on my trail cams. But she sees them coming out of the woods at night. She doesn't necessarily want to go into the woods. She thinks it's unsafe. It's not because obviously they're not going to attack her and me, she's giant Mule, but she thinks that. So over time, she started to not want to go in that direction. She stopped wanting to turn left. And so what would happen is I would, I started to realize she didn't want to go there. So every time I wanted to go there, I would get nervous. I would feel uncertain. Oh, she's not going to want to go there.

46:02She would sense that I was nervous and would double down and then she wouldn't go in there. So I had to kind of get into this real sort of a psychological retraining kind of a Mule intervention from the people that raised her. I have so many questions. Hold on. Yeah, it's really wild. It's really interesting the intricacy of how you figure this out. No, did you have any training before you got a Mule? I so she was she was owned by single owner in Northern Canada, in a place called Thunder Bay, which is about 18 hours drive north of me, way colder up there. She's like in clubbed down now, now in Southern Canada.

46:48She's probably loving it. But and her owners were Kaya and Lisa, who have a they breed Mule, since they're called Twister Mules. Do you get any training? They they drove her down and that we spent about three days. Okay, and they showed me how to saddle up and they talked to me about it. And you know, I learned as much as one can learn in three days. You know, there's the basics, right? Right. There's the basics like, you know. You do a lot of it when they were there by yourself. Like they just told you how to do it and you walked over and did it. They spent time with me for about three days. But this is kind of they're telling me I'm doing quite well because I actually am able to handle this animal now, but it's been an interesting journey the last, you know, since June, I got her in June.

47:30Cause cause you know, at first it's the very first sort of on the surface way that you ride a Mule is you look where you want to go. Lightly pull the rain on, if you want to go left, you pull the left lane, rain lightly. If that doesn't work, but you might not even have to pull the rain, you could just look where you want to go. And they they feel your body shifting. They sense your intent. And they and you you have to look in that direction. When you link up with the dragon. It's like telephone. It's like telepathy for sure. It really is. And you feel it and it's such a really cool feeling when you really get into the pocket with it.

48:14So then you pull likely then you a little push with your foot. And so that's all sort of very, you know, physical stuff. And it worked fine for a while. But then, you know, I didn't quite understand the overall psychological sort of hierarchy that gets created and a trust level that's created between the Mule and myself. The more I screwed up, just even in the barnyard, the more I let her get in my space. You don't ever want to let a Mule get in your space, like gets in your space. A very sort of a, you know, easy way to control that is you can just put your hands up to her eyes like that. Like, you know, you don't even have to touch her.

49:01And then they back off. I didn't know that, right? So I was kind of like, I'm pushing it. No, good. It was like, you know, just trying to stop yourself. And it realizes how small I am. And it realizes I don't know what I'm doing. And it loses all respect. And so you start to kind of, so once you start to learn a little bit deeper about how to handle those, just on the ground with her, then once you get up on her, she has a little bit more respect and is more apt to listen to you. But it was really interesting because they came back. They're really great. They're trying to bring more Mules into Canada because they love Mules.

49:41And they, you know, there is something very different and special about Mules because they're intelligence. And so it's really interesting. They came back and spent some more time with me. And we would go out, we went out on the trail. And there's, Fanny doesn't like ATVs, okay? So I've got this Polaris side by side that I drive around property on. So noisy, you know, ATV for a wheel vehicle thing. And they were driving ahead of me and to kind of instruct me, and I'm following along. And we're coming up the trail and they stopped. And as we approach the ATV, it's parked in the trail. There's a space on the side.

50:20I'm going to ride around the trail. But in my head, I'm thinking, oh, Fanny's not going to want to go around this ATV. And we get up there and I try to turn around the ATV by looking, pulling the rain, pushing my leg. She just stops. And when she stops, and when she decides she doesn't want to go, this isn't like a little trail riding, you know, carnival horse. She gets going and will turn and really kind of get quite, you know, aggressive, aggressive in a way. And which is kind of exciting, though, I've got to tell you. And I was a skateboarder. I could pretty good balance. So I was kind of, it's kind of interesting.

50:54But the thing that was, was wild about it. So then I go, well, she's not going to want to go around the ATV. I say to Kaya and Lisa. And they say, no, no. Well, she, it's not that she doesn't want to go around the ATV. It's, she knows that you think she doesn't want to go around the ATV. You have to think in your head. That she wants to go around the ATV. What? Yeah. Because when you, yeah. Because when, when you're subconsciously, whether we know it or not as human beings, you know, we didn't always have language, right? Right. We didn't, we, someone invented language at some point. Before that, we were just kind of as all this nonverbal communication and energy, right?

51:34So you get up to the ATV. And if I'm thinking, oh, she's not going around the ATV. Oh, look, look, look, I just, my whole body just went like that. You know, I sighed. I felt like a sense of defeat, right? She feels that just through her saddle. It's not, it's not total like voodoo. She feels like it might be a little bit of voodoo. And possibly as well. I mean, there's a magic to it. I mean, there's a magic to it. You can't attribute all that to body. She feels it. She feels it. And she's so smart that so a horse doesn't necessarily sense that as easily as a mule, like quite a bit less easily.

52:05So that's why people say mules are stubborn because they're sensing all of these little nonverbal cues that a horse might just be apt to say, oh, he pulled on the rain. So I'm going to go that way. He pushed this foot. So I'm going to go that way. So, and that's why also mules are also extremely, they're used in war. And they're used in grand canyon trail riding and things like this because, you know, if a horse is walking along the edge of a cliff and a snake jumps out, the horse might be apt to just jump the other way off the cliff killing itself. Whereas a mule will instantly identify, cliff that way, snake that way, danger both ways, mule will kill the snake.

52:48It'll stomp out the snake. So, or at least won't jump off the cliff. So it's... That's way better. Yeah, better. I think we should just all have mules. Oh, have mules. You should get a mule. You should get a mule. I definitely would not have the time to be training a mule. It seems like that's... Here's my question. You know, this is the other question I got to remember. Why would you think that the wolves would not attack the mule? Well, it's not... First of all, because like if she's scared of the wolves, you know, donkeys... I think she should be scared of the wolves. You know, donkeys and mules, but especially donkeys and mules have donkeys.

53:25So they're actually used a lot as a... as a livestock protection animal. So because they'll stomp out a coyote or a wolf. So a lot of farmers get them, put them in with their sheep, and they'll actually protect the herd. So that's awesome. So it's not impossible, but it is pretty uncommon that coyotes. In my area, the wolves are not gray wolves. They're timber wolves, so they're not as big as big. But they're big enough though. They're about the size of huskies. So they mostly kill like deer and... Deer and smaller stuff like that? They don't try for elk or anything like that. Because the big gray wolves will take out elk.

54:06Yeah, I'm sure they... You know, I think moose. Yeah, absolutely. Moose are so big, man. For a wolf to take out a moose, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. These are my trail cams at my place. Oh wow, look, drop them. Reduce right there on your trail cam. Staring you in the eye. That's an alpha move right there, son. I guarantee that's the alpha. He knows. He knows you got that trail cam. He's a Tom Green. Check this out, bitch. Yeah. This is... Yeah.

54:32So it's... I meant for certain that they're wolves and not a hybrid. I know you know all about this trail, but like the coy wolves is to do a DNA test. But... The coy wolf is kind of a misnomer, you know, because the coyote is a wolf. Yeah. Yeah. The reason why the coyote spread so far across the country is because they have like a built -in mechanism to protect them from gray wolves. Because gray wolves would kill the coyotes. Whereas the red wolves in the east coast would breed with the coyotes. And that's where you get the coy wolf. Mm -hmm. I think they're viable. I think when they breed, they can breed.

55:11Oh, yeah. I don't think they're like a donkey or like a mule rather. You know, coyote and a wolf. I think when the like the coy wolves, whatever they call them, coy wolves, I think they're viable. I think they have babies. Yeah, absolutely. No, they are for sure. Yeah. And it's not really... It's not different. It's like two different kind of dogs or something. Yeah. Yeah, because I've been getting some information about this from a wolf researcher up who lives near me. And he has sort of put out some trail cams. And we've actually laid out some fur traps that can get a little bit of their fur and we're going to send it for a DNA sample to find out exactly the percentage of DNA that wolf took coyote because yeah, it's kind of...

56:02I don't know. You live out in the wilderness. You know, you find these kinds of things are... I find it quite interesting to just kind of really kind of dive into it deep. Oh, it's fascinating. You're out of there in the real wild. You're in the wild where there's packs of predators in your neighborhood. And I wish I had bare footage right now, but it's not online. But this year I put out my trail cams and I got like... I'd say a little more than a half dozen distinct different bears on that exact trail. Whoa. Which is, you know, on my property right by my house. Brown bear or black bear? Black bear, yeah.

56:39Yeah, we don't have grizzlies out east, so it's just in Canada even. It's all... There are yet, not yet. The liberals will try to reintroduce them. You need more things to be scared of. Well, talking about bringing grizzlies back to California. Yeah, yeah. I want you to come to Canada, Joe. I know you haven't come to Canada lately, but you got to come to Canada. Because here's the thing. Here's the thing. I watch the show all the time, so I know what you're feeling about Canada. But it's here's the thing. Everybody loves you in Canada. So I'm coming down here. Everybody's so stoked that I'm here.

57:14And... I love Canadians. I just hate their government. And sometimes... Have you say his last name? Polivear? Yeah. Well, it's French, so it's... Well, I don't think he's French, but the name's French. Pierre Pollyiev. Pollyiev. Sort of a weird... Our silent R. Yeah, it's a strange... As you see it written down, it's very difficult. Pollyiev. Pollyiev. Yeah. That guy makes so much more sense. Yeah. He's so common sense, and just calling out all the nonsense that's been done under this administration. It's just so sad to watch. So this is the thing that I kind of... I guess just wanted to throw out there, which is...

57:53It's not unlike here in the US, right? You've got Biden as president now, right? And then we've got essentially a Democrat. We actually call our Democrats the liberals, right? That's how... So on a bash, we are liberal up there. We actually call the party the liberal party. It's not a bad word up there, right? They actually call them the liberals as... And the other ones are conservative. And conservatives, liberals and conservatives. But it's the same thing, you know, like... Half the country... Hates the party in power right now, just like as much as anybody, you know? And it's just a constant thing.

58:23And they want to get them out. And so, you know, I just wanted to, you know, as a proud Canadian, want to throw out the distinction that, you know, Canada's, you know, it's like here. It's the same bullshit that's here. Everybody's arguing about issues, important issues. It's being reinforced, you know, through these algorithms, people get mad about it. And then they start arguing. So, you know, like I sometimes kind of go, I wouldn't be interesting if Pierre Paulier won the next election, right? Because in Olveson, we'd have a conservative government up there. And let's say Biden won down here.

59:01He got conservative government up there. And then Tucker Carlson might be going up to Canada talking about how great we are all of a sudden, you know? Because it just can switch on a dime, you know? It could go back. And it has before. I've had, you know, there's been my lifetime. Joe Clark was the first conservative prime minister. Then there was Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper. It was pretty recent, so. But anyways, I don't like talking politics, but I do, I did bring something in both Canada that I love. I want to, I want to, I want to. Okay. It's a good thing. I, uh, I'm trying not to talk politics too much because it's like, it's gross.

59:36It's just every, every gets all mad, you know? Yep. I just, I don't fuck. I kind of think like, wouldn't it be cool if the new thing became people start to realize that the division is almost worse than what we're arguing about? Well, the division is absolutely worse than what we're arguing about. Yeah. Most people want good things. Oh, this is for you and your family, a huge, this, and I brought one for us too, just to try. This is the freshest, best Canadian maple syrup, made by my friends, the con boys. Ryan and Jason shout out to Ryan and Jason George and Darleen and they make this on their property.

1:00:12They have, you know, thousands of maple trees tapped. Wow. And this is, you know, a family run business. They've been doing this for hundreds of years. That is a lot of work. Yeah. It's, it's a whole maple syrup, like making me, I've watched people make maple syrup on YouTube. It's a lot of work. Yeah. It's crazy how much work is involved. And it's, it's really kind of incredible to go see how they do it because they've built these, like, I can't describe it properly, but reverse osmosis machines where they have tubes coming, you know, with the sap from all the, in the spring, the sap starts flowing, comes through these tubes from all through their woods and their property.

1:00:52It runs out to their, their barn where they have these machines that do something called reverse osmosis. I don't know what it is doing exactly, but they have to do it. And then it goes into this giant vat with fires, with wood burn fires and they boil the sap down. Until, you know, it becomes thicker and there's more sugar content. And then you have this delicious syrup, but I brought a couple of... It's literally the blood of trees that you pour on pancakes. It is, and you know, it, it is... Are we going to drink it? Like in short classes? I just thought, as opposed to drinking whiskey, till we're on the floor this time.

1:01:24I never made it as a floor, sir. You made it as a floor. I maintain. I don't remember what I love the emotion and the ability to compensate. Oh my gosh, okay. Well... Dude, that's diabetes in a shot. We'll just do a shot. But I want you to see... This is real maple syrup, Canadian maple syrup. It's conboy maple syrup. They're my friends. They're the best, best friends that I, you know, that you'd ever want. And it's not your manufactured sort of process. Yeah, you know, cheers. Do you have to do it like a shot? No. Yeah, you can, yeah, absolutely. Oh my God. I can't drink this whole thing. Yeah.

1:02:02It's really good, though. Pour it on some pancakes. Yeah. He just makes you think, like, how much sugar are you getting from pancakes with a pile of maple syrup? Are you getting a fuck ton of sugar? Yeah. Look, how much sugar is in... What is a shot glass? How many ounces is that? You should know this. One ounce. Let's just see how much sugar is in one ounce of maple syrup. Yeah. Yeah. God, how could you drink that? Yeah, no, you don't really drink maple syrup, right? We're just doing it for a guy. Yeah, for fun. Pour it on your pancakes. It's amazing how good it tastes on your pancakes. No, it's good and coffee.

1:02:36Put it in your coffee in the morning. So I keep a big jug of it. 17 grams in a shot glass. Yeah. And I guarantee you, if I'm having pancakes, I am drowning those pitches. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll get you more as whenever you need some. It's the best. It's different than... Waffles with that on. Sun. Lots of butter. Oh, yeah. Up to 20. Up to 20. Okay. 20. So if I'm having pancakes, I'm having 120 at least. Yeah. I'm pouring a bunch of maple syrup on that shit. Six ounces. Yeah. Easy. Six ounces. Like a glass of it. Yeah. I'm getting in between the stack. Mm -hmm. Pouring a little in there. It's just a nice little boost, a little energy boost, you know?

1:03:19It's for like five minutes. Yeah. Then you're in coma for the rest of the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But I guess if you're out there on your farm, fucking throwing hay around all day, exhausted. Right. I did this summer and August. We... I have some... Some fields with hay. We cut the fields. And... And... And some local farmers had helped me cut the fields to square bales. So you're really farming? Yeah, I had farming for real for real. Farm and hay for my animals. Yeah. I had 580 bales of hay off the property this year. And we had to lift it all, carry it all on to a hay wagon.

1:04:05So you cause... I'm going to try it a little... Figure out a way to do it a little differently next year. But normally they would... The farmers that have done my property for years, they've been doing it with these big circle round bales, you know? But I wanted to get square bales this year because it's easier to handle for the horses every... Or the mules in the donkey every day. So every day I go to the barn, I pick up a bale, feed the... Eat about a bale in a half of hay a day. It's cool because like from May, June till about the end of September, you don't even have to feed them. They're just out in the pasture, eating grass.

1:04:42Which I often think about, you know, when you think about vegetarians, and you go, how do you put on, you know, muscle with just... And you can look at this giant animal all it's doing is eating grass all day and they're massive. But yeah, so that... I got to figure out a better way to get it in the barn this year because some of my friends... They have to eat it all day long. That's the difference between eating meat and eating grass. If you watch predators, predators eat and then they sleep all day. But you watch a donkey. Those motherfuckers are just eating all day long. You have to eat all day long.

1:05:15They're always eating. Yeah. Because there's not a lot of protein in that food. It's got to break down in their weird digestive tract. It's an undilit digestive tract. So Fanny and Kyiv come from a pasture that had, you know, 20 other animals in it to this... My place where they're just there by themselves with the whole field to themselves. So Fanny was putting on some weight last summer. I have to now kind of monitor how much she's out in the pasture. I should correct myself. Undilits are cows and shit. I'm thinking of like... Thinking of cows. Right. The weird stomachs and stuff. I'm not exactly sure how the stomachs work on these.

1:05:50I don't know. They're on a quines. But I know that... Like to think that you could get that jacked -eating vegetables as ridiculous. Right. That's what I was kind of thinking. Because I always kind of... But vegans always like to make that comparison. Yeah. They could grill us. They eat nothing but vegetables. They have a totally different body. They are also not humans. Yeah. They're not human beings. It doesn't mean if you ate what a fucking horse eats. You'd look like a horse. You dumbass. You're not a horse. And also, do you know how annoying that would be? You'd have to eat grass all day.

1:06:24It doesn't sound like a blast. Not a lot of variety there. I think about that. I have cookies for them. I have little... That's cool. I have a vitamin... Sort of a vitamin mix of... That I give them every day. Is variation to their diet good, though? Like for some animals, when you... You got it. For instance, apples. Okay. I have apple trees at the property. And that's one of the places. She loves to walk towards the apple tree. There's apples on the ground. She always... You can feel her pulling towards the apple tree. But you don't want her to eat a bunch of apples because that can create acid in their stomach.

1:07:02And that can get some of those wonder in that. What happens to them in the wild, though, if they find a bunch of apples? Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. I'm not sure if they... I don't know the answer to that. But maybe they somehow self -regulate when they're left to their own. But you can feed them carrots. And one thing I haven't done this yet, but I understand that they really like. I was just told. Because I'm actually thinking, what kind of variety can I give the ladies? So they really like a frozen watermelon to be tossed into there. Oh, no kidding. So, and they'll just... Bears like that, too.

1:07:33Oh, yeah. Yeah. We went to a grizzly bear. I guess it's just like a conservation center where they have these enormous plates. It's in Montana. But they're like captive. But it's really an enormous construction thing. And the bears have like swimming pools and shit. And they would roll them out, these frozen watermelon. And watch them bite through a frozen watermelon. We'll scare the living fuck out of you. Right. Because they go through it like it's nothing. The grizzly does that. I've seen hippopotamus do it on YouTube, but grizzly does that, too. I think most of the time, the hippos are doing it.

1:08:11It's not with a frozen one. Yeah, yeah. But they were saying that this bear's favorite treat is frozen watermelon. Yeah. It's like a frozen watermelon. You just go through it like it's a grape. See, grizzlies are terrifying. Yeah. Although I admit that I am also actually... Probably, it's probably not really a warranted or fear. But I am nervous about these black bears, you know, on the property. You should be nervous when you're talking about them. They do attack people occasionally. They will attack you. And if black bears attack you, they'll attack you to eat you. Yeah. It's a little bit different.

1:08:46Statistically, the odds are in my favor. I think it's not as like grizzlies, they've attacked a lot of people. I think black bears maybe only attack like one person a year or something like that. They attack people. Yeah. I mean, there's a guy who got killed over by Rutgers in New Jersey. He was killed by a black bear. Yeah. Yeah. There was a friend of a buddy of mine who went hunting for his very first trip. He was in his tent at night and a 500 -pound predatory black bear tried to remove him from the tent. And his friend shot the bear and accidentally shot his friend in the wrist. Yeah. So he got shot in the wrist with a rifle.

1:09:23The bear gets shot. The bear runs off after it gets shot and then they don't... I think they recovered it. I think it's dead. But imagine your first night ever camping in a tent and a black bear tries to pull you out and eat you. Yeah. So I think sometimes people bring food in their tent. That's one common mistake. Yeah. Your food, bitch. Your food. Yeah. Your food in the tent. Your pigs in a blanket. If you're bringing in like, you know, you should really... That is one thing that is why they go in the tent a lot. They smell, you know, someone brought their sandwich in the tent or whatever. That's true.

1:09:55But yeah, no, I mean, look. I'm right there with you. There's something about it though that... Well, you know when you're out there in nature and you kind of... You're sort of natural instincts kicking. Where you feel it. And the fact that there is something unpredictable or that you don't understand out there is kind of exciting, you know, like the fact that there is... You know, I'm not really truly expecting to get attacked by a bear but, you know, your senses are on alert. You're listening into the woods. You know they're there. You know they know you're there and they've probably left. But maybe this is the one time way they're walking along with their cub and you get in the wrong position at the wrong time.

1:10:45And so, you know, often when I go for a walk, I have a bear spray on me. I sometimes, you know, have a rifle on me. I don't carry it with me every time I leave the house but I've got a few rifles and that I... You know, I might... I've not really been a hunter, you know, in my life. But I kind of... So many people around me, you know, the country, everybody hunts. And I think I'm going to... How much land do you have? 150 acres. So it's kind of... Certainly hunt on that. Yeah, and there's deer. And it's quite... Sure. It's quite something that I never really expected to kind of live like that.

1:11:25But it's really kind of interesting. And then it backs on to lots of, you know, thousands and thousands of acres of protected wilderness. So they... Are you allowed to hunt back there? Yeah, yeah. And on my property too. What is the tag allocation like? Do you get landowner tags? Do you get tags? Because you're a resident of the area. You still have to get a hunting license. Right. In Canada, you know, it's... If you want to get a rifle, first of all, it's completely different than in Texas, right? You can't just go by one. You have to go take... It's like getting your driver's license essentially.

1:11:59You have to go take... You have to write a test. And you have to pass it. And you have to do a course, a safety course. And then you have to send that into the RCMP, the Canadian, you know, the Mounties, right? They review it. And then a couple months later, you get... You get your non -restricted firearms license, which allows you to go by rifle. I've been collecting lever action rifles, you know? So I've got just... That's cool. Relatively new to this. But when I was out in the desert, I had a shotgun with me. I had a hunting license when I was in New Mexico. I was trying to hunt some quail.

1:12:34I never saw a bird though. So it was, you know, I was hunting, but I never saw anything. So I didn't really do... It's hard... I was still hunting, but I never saw anything. But yeah, so it's... That's why I'm trying to think of what I want to tell you here, Joe. That's why I think I really would love you to come up to Canada sometime and visit, maybe, and come up and do some shows up there. People would love to see you. And there's just such a huge outdoors, hunting, fishing culture. That's what being Canadian is. Once you get out of the city, right? It's people are just... People love to hunt.

1:13:11People love to fish. I go ice fishing with my friends. We go set up a... Didn't they put new restrictions on firearms up there? They just... They just banned handguns. Absolutely. But not rifles. Yeah. Which is pretty extreme from an American standpoint. Certainly, I mean, to think that... So obviously... Are there handguns? Do you have to get rid of them? No, you're not allowed to sell them to anybody. And you're stuck with them. So that's the probably the biggest... biggest change that's happened in... There's also no automatic weapons up there. So you can't get a AR -15, for example. It's a AR -15s on automatic weapons.

1:13:52Or... There's that caliber. Or whatever. Yeah, you can't get those weapons. But you can get a rifle, a shotgun. You know, I have a 308. I have a 243. I have a 22. I have a shotgun. You know, I have 20 gauge, 12 gauge. All the normal hunting rifles are fine, so... What was the thought process behind banning... firearms, sort of, banning pistols? Well, I don't... I wasn't really kind of... I think it was just an attempt to... Something people voted on. Well, they voted for the government and the government did it. So, you know... Obviously, some people aren't too happy about it. One thing about Canada is...

1:14:40The gun culture is different up there. More people are... I'm going to get in trouble with the people that are handgun enthusiasts in Canada. But it's just not as common up there. It's more about hunting and hunting rifles. But there are probably a lot of people that are pretty upset about it, for sure. But, you know, it's... They're not actually taking away people's rifles or anything like that, so... But... One of the exemptions is... Individuals train, compete, or coach and a handgun shooting discipline that is on the program of International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee.

1:15:21Looks like someone's going to have to become a shooter. Yeah. Yeah, I compete. I'm personally not... To be in shooting. That's why I have to have this gun. I'm not really like... I don't really... You know, I like my lever action rifle. I like my shotgun. I think I might hunt turkeys this year. I'd like to do that with a lot of turkeys on the property. I'm not really... I don't necessarily feel like I need a handgun. It's a different kind of... I don't necessarily feel that anybody should tell me that I can't have a handgun, especially not the government. Yeah. Especially not the government that's already done some really shady shit, like what they did with the truck drivers.

1:16:02Right. Well, I'm from Ottawa too, so... The trucker rally was interesting. Dude, they fucking took away their bank accounts. They seized people's... They closed people's and froze people's bank accounts that just donated money. Yeah. Is that coffee? Yes. You know what? First of all, the trucker rally was interesting, because I'm from Ottawa, so I grew up... The Parliament Hill, I actually saw it on the news, like the Parliament buildings are basically our Congress and our Senate combined, essentially. The House of Commons and the Senate. You know, downtown Ottawa is like Washington, D .C., right?

1:16:41That's our Washington, D .C. I grew up there. I grew up skateboarding on the Parliament buildings front steps. You know, I did a radio show. This is something about the freedoms of Canada that I think is interesting, okay? When I was a kid, I did a college radio show. And it was midnight till two in the morning. And I would say during the show, okay, after the show, everybody show up on Parliament Hill, bring a soccer ball. Let's go play soccer. And then we show up there with pizzas, and we play soccer on the front lawn of the Canadian government till four in the morning. Every half hour the bell would go, bring the RCMP cops would come, they'd shine their lights out on the field.

1:17:19It was super positive, right? I love Ottawa. It's an amazing city.

1:17:29And I understand that everybody has the right to express their descent, right? And I think Trudeau probably did overstep with some of his reaction to that. With some of the things he said specifically. But there was also this element of, not only was the city shut down, there's people that live downtown. So, you know, those horns were these air horns. They were really kind of, there's babies sleeping. It's like really like a neighborhood, right? So, it's kind of funny in a way, the difference between Canadians and Americans sometimes. I'm both, right? I'm a dual citizen. I love, I love, I love.

1:18:12That's right. No, I just love both countries, you know? I've lived here for 20 years. I, I,

1:18:25but what, what, you know, what is sort of a comparable thing I think was, you know, what, you know, in the United States, they, on January, was it January 6th? You know, they did more than freeze those people's bank accounts, right? They threw them all in jail, right? So, it threw a lot of them in jail. So, it's sort of, I'd say it's like a comparison, comparable thing. It's like, I guess that's the thing I just kind of, No, that's different. Feel as it's like, hold on. There's sort of, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. First of all, it's different because they entered into the Capitol building. Right, right.

1:18:53You're not supposed to do that. Yeah. They, a lot of people broke glass, you smash windows, they did a lot of shit. It was also, it's not comparable because it seems like they were instigated in some way, Yeah. At least partially by, by people in the audience that wanted them to go in there. Yeah. Now, whether those people were federal agents or whether those people are antifa, whether those people were democratic operatives that want to turn this into chaos because it's a great way to attack Donald Trump. Yeah. Whatever it was, they definitely was people that were instigating people to get into the building, this video recordings of it.

1:19:28There's also weird instances of cops opening gates, letting people in. In fact, it was severely underpoliced. When they had the George Floyd protest, the Black Lives Matter protest, they had way more cops there for that than they did for this crazy thing where the dude has denied the election and his rabid fans are going to show up and you're not prepared for this. The whole thing seems like if I was going to make a playbook, if I was going to instigate a bunch of dumbasses to go do something really stupid because it'll make their leader look like a fascist and Hitler. That's how I would do it.

1:20:07So you have that too. It's not as simple as the trucker protest was a legitimate protest where a bunch of people were like, why are you telling me that I have to take this experimental medication or I can't work? Where is the fucking information? Where is it now? Over time, we've seen now that the studies that they did do they don't have to release them for like 75 years. You know about all that, all of the paperwork involving the vaccines. What is exact ruling of like what information they're withholding for 75 years? Let's be real clear on that. But then it's also how many people we know that got injured by it.

1:20:47You're smart to be reluctant to do something that's new, given the history and track record of pharmaceutical drugs in this country. Especially when you have a novel new thing. The idea that this is going to be the one that's absolutely innocuous. You should be able to consider not doing it. Talk about not doing it. Listen man, there's no drugs like that. There's no drugs that have a gigantic effect on anything that don't have some people that have horrible adverse reactions to them. Even normal shit. Some people die from Tylenol all the time, man. They overdose on it. People die from all kinds of medication.

1:21:27It turns out they have an allergy too. It's like weird shit happens with people. And people are right to be reluctant. But you might be right and you might be wrong. But you're right to express that you don't think the government should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. Specifically about putting something into your body or you can't work. That's crazy. So that's that protest. It's a different protest. The whole vibe behind it's different. It is a different subject for sure. It's in response to tyranny. Four -year requests. The FDA had previously said that it takes approximately eight minutes per page to process records for the four -year request, and that it could only review and release 500 pages a month, which is 6 ,000 pages a year.

1:22:15At that rate, it would take 75 years to release all the data. That's crazy. Yeah. That's so crazy. I guess the point I'm trying to make, which is outside of the weeds of it, is when I'm hanging out in Canada, half the people I talk to are so excited for me to come down here, and they're all like, they're, you know, they were supportive of the truckers, right? Like this was not like this was not some, it's not some fringe thing in Canada. Maybe the people that actually got in their truck and drove there and camped out there. Maybe that was a little bit more of a, you know, dedicated protester than the average citizen.

1:22:57But there's, you know, it's just like here. You know, you get people fuck Joe Biden. You know, you would probably be amazed to see, I don't know if this is so common in Canada that we just don't even really, I don't even think to mention it. Driving around everywhere in the country, in the city, everywhere, people pick up trucks, fuck Trudeau flags. It says, fuck Trudeau, black flag, white letters, Canada flag on it, people are mad, and so it's not just like everybody in Canada is just down with it. Now, enough people are down with it that he got elected, but he may not get elected the next time, and then that'll be just like, I hope he doesn't.

1:23:47I just feel like it is down here. If he gets elected again, you guys are glutton for punishment. Yeah, it could be. It could be the same as here. Biden could get elected again. Trump could get elected. It's sort of like, this is, I was thinking the other day, I'm almost kind of wondering, this is obviously a stupid idea, but I'm wondering like, maybe it wouldn't be, it would almost be better if we just got rid of the elections and just let the conservatives run it for four years, and then just automatically, the liberals run it for years, I can pick a whole, a million holes in why that wouldn't work.

1:24:12And just let it go back and forth, and then people can just be like, okay, let's just all get along, let them have four years at running the country, do what they do, let the other side run for four years. It's kind of a pendulum that goes back and forth anyways, and then we can kind of get back to just all getting along. Well, even if that did happen, the same problem would take place, and it's that the people that are embedded, that are running the government, the real people behind the curtain, they're always there. They don't get elected, they're always there, and those are the people that are actually running the government.

1:24:46So it would be the same horse shit they were dealing with now. Every four years, some new spokesperson comes in play, and they do a bunch of shit that pisses off half the country, and the same thing behind the scenes, the same people are running things. Yeah, it's so frustrating, and I got to the point where I started to kind of just try to disconnect from the conversation, which sometimes I feel bad about it, because you want to have a social contribution to awareness. Yeah, but then you go, man, I just don't see you're talking about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.

1:25:24It's like, yeah. What I was going to say, though, is that, you know, like,

1:25:34the whole system is set up so that one person can't be in control for too long. That's the whole idea about term limits. You got four years, and then you get elected again, you get another four years, and then you're fucking done. I don't, I'm just saying this. This is not something that I like fully support, but there's something to be said for someone staying in there for a long time and getting it right if they're good at it. Yeah, right? I mean, if I was in any other job, we would backfire with power and control. The problem is we were terrified of having someone like Putin who's in control of Russia for decades, right?

1:26:12Yeah, for sure. But if you had someone who was good at the job, you would want them to stay on the job. Like, if you had the best CEO of your company, you're making record money and everything's doing great and the products are incredible. Yeah. You want to keep that guy's a CEO, he's obviously killing it. And when Steve Jobs is running Apple, he's killing it. You don't want to remove him as a CEO. You know how long it takes to build anything, right? Right. And how long it takes to get good at your job? Build anything. Right. And to figure out who the right people, who's backstabby, who's, you know, who's fucking, who's, you know, what are the issues?

1:26:42Who's trying to climb the political ladder and they're just thinking about themselves only their sociopaths? Figure it out. It takes a long time to fucking work your cabinet now. If you had a president that was a young president that gets in at like 38, 40 years old, and the 20 years of running the country correctly, that's what most of these dictatorships have. There's a benefit. It's horrible for the people. But the benefit of having one guy run things and just keep it locked up, and this is the right way to do them, and doing it this way forever, this is correct. Yeah. It's interesting that, yeah, you got a couple.

1:27:22The most important job ever in a new guy gets it or a new woman ever yet, but someday, every four years. Yeah. That's crazy. And often trying to undo everything that was done the four years before. So that's what term limits brought in. But then on the flip side, we don't have term limits in Canada, and Trudeau's going to be there. If you're not a fan of Trudeau, you're going, oh, I wish we had term limits. Because he's been there over eight years now, right? Right, but he might be getting voted out. He might be getting voted out. It seems like the Canadians are leaning towards getting rid of them.

1:27:54Is that correct? You know, it's one of those things where it's kind of feels like it's almost like 50, 50, ultimately. But who knows? I think it definitely feels like it could happen. Who knows? Who doesn't want to get rid of them? Who are those people? A lot of it's regional. I guess it's, you know what? I kind of, I knew if we were going to talk about this, I wanted to kind of sort of make this point because again, I want Americans to understand what Canada is. It's exactly like here. It's the same people, the same type of people that like Biden or the people that like Trudeau. Like the people in Canada that move from Trudeau are the exact same people that they like Biden to.

1:28:33Right? There's nobody in Canada that likes Trudeau, that also likes Trump. There's also nobody in Canada that likes Pierre Paulier that likes Biden. It's exactly the same. It's the same division. It's this, even on social media, it's the same. Like you go on social media, you go on TikTok, you got angry conservatives in Canada saying, fuck Trudeau and you know, we're turning into a communist country and all of this stuff, like completely, completely the exact same thing as here. So it's just, if I was, I'm not here, like try to be a spokesperson for Canada or anything. But that would, they would not want that.

1:29:11Well, I think that's what scares us the most about Canada. Is that Canada is so similar to the United States but we're seeing your rights erode. There's also weird bills that keep getting passed. You know, the C -16 bill, the, you know, mandatory pronouns, mandatory use of someone's pronouns. And then there was the fact that you guys don't really have freedom of speech. Do you have hate laws? Do you have hate speech laws? And then you also have some weird shit going on with Canada trying to regulate the internet. Yeah. And with the government trying to regulate podcasts and make podcasts subject to their world.

1:29:49They did try. I did a little research on this in case it came up. They tried and they haven't put into effect that regulation of the internet of as far as regulating disinformation. That has not been put into effect. And Trudeau actually said he would not put that into effect. It was a, you know, sort of a subset of, you know, it's sort of like, you know, you've got your extreme left wing here and then you have cooler heads and they did not actually put that into effect. Is it still on the table? Trudeau has said that he would never put that into effect. Well, I think he's saying that now because he's no success.

1:30:32And so the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms, okay, that's kind of like our constitution. I guess they say we have freedom expression, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly. So we do have elements of your government that would even consider that. But it's like here. It's like here. It's like here. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Like if you don't agree with it, then it's the same thing as, you know, fuck Joe Biden. You know, it's the same thing. Fuck Trudeau. So, and so, you know, because it's interesting like I just really want, you know, Americans who are, you know, just not have never been to Canada.

1:31:08I can't understand that. Like there's a lot. Are you working for the Canadian Ministry of... I would consider it something. You know what I was thinking about? Like in Canada, you don't have to be born in Canada to run for Prime Minister. You could run for Prime Minister of Canada and come up and solve all this stuff. I mean, you have to live up there, but it's a nice place. Come on. Come on up to Canada. You would win, too. That's the thing that would be amazing. You would win. And you could just... Imagine I became Prime Minister of Canada. Can you imagine? I was just thinking... You think it's crazy Donald Trump being President of the United States.

1:31:47That would be next craziest thing. That would be the next craziest thing. More crazy. I'm almost more crazy, because at least he was like hinting about running for President forever. Yeah. Have I just on a whim? Just decided to go run for the Prime Minister of Canada and win. Because you would win. Because you have so many fans up there. You really do. And that's why I won. That's so scary. That is so unqualified to run a country. Well, I mean, you've got a lot of, you know, valid concerns and you feel strongly about things. I think you should run. I would support you. I think that would be amazing.

1:32:24I want to roll up to the world economic forum. I'm high on mushrooms. See you in Canada, by the way. Mushrooms are basically legal in Canada now. Weed is... Here's something true, though. Again, he did legal as weed. That is one thing that he did do. So... Congratulations. He did one good thing. It's just he's a weasel. That's the problem. He's what I don't like in leaders. There's fake bullshit fucking non -sensical gaslighting. That shit drives me nuts. It's so creepy. And then using all the inclusive terms to make it seem like everybody else is a piece of shit. And you're an amazing human being.

1:33:01And you're on the right side of progressive movement. It's all just a bullshit act to stay in power. And when you see politicians do it, you know they just fucking wet their finger and try to figure out which way the wind's blowing and say those things and then act in the interests of whatever money got them into that position in the first place. Whatever machine is behind them, whatever support they get. That's all they're doing. And those types of politicians, that's not the only kind you can have. You know? It's kind of like... Yeah, it's... You can have real leaders. They do exist. It's such a huge sort of thing to wrap your head around.

1:33:41You know, it's capitalism. It's money. It controls everything. I mean, I kind of feel just leaving Los Angeles, leaving Hollywood, right? Kind of has sort of reset a little bit of life. You know, you know, this more than anybody else, of course. But, you know, because we even talked about this whatever was 20 years ago on my podcast about how, you know, you can democratize media with podcasting. And get rid of all this money controlling everything. Yeah. And so it's sort of, you know, a micro, micro, sort of... Or it's a similar thing to just politics in general. You know, money comes in controls.

1:34:20Everything can be so frustrating. Especially now when you can see that, you know, you don't necessarily have to play that game anymore. So, yeah. Well, it's also the hive mind of Hollywood you're leaving. There's a thing that happens in that town, in that area, where the people that think outside of the norm say it in like whispered hushed tones. There's a certain ideology that's attached to that city. And it's not logical. It's a kooky, wacky, completely insulated left wing view of the world. And they enforce it with an iron fist. And if you're not on that team, you don't get booked for things.

1:35:05You don't get picked for things. If you're someone who has conservative leanings or you talk about because if there's projects, you're never going to get. You're never going to be involved. The people will, they'll malign you. And without knowing you at all, be openly prejudiced about you. And so no one does it. So everyone who goes over there who's just like desperately trying to make it. They're desperately trying to get in movies. They're desperately trying to get a recording deal. Whatever it is, they're desperately trying to do. The last thing they want to do is do something and talk about something that's going to politically get them at odds with the people that run the studios.

1:35:46So no one does. Everybody just follows the same sort of wacky ideology that these people take from the universities. They go straight into working as a PA and straight into working for executives and producers. And all of those people are indoctrinated. They're all in this wild -ass cult of weirdness. And then you have people that move there to try to make it. And these people are just always going on auditions. So they're always like, please choose me. Please choose me. And no, they didn't choose me. So you're trying to be friends with the people who choose people. You're trying to get them into parties.

1:36:20You're trying to introduce them to other people. You're trying to be around other famous people. This person's been chosen. I got to be around the chosen person. We go to the chosen person's party. Maybe we can get chosen. So you get this overwhelming anxiety that fills the fucking city. And then now you have tick tockers and influencers and all these people that are just trying to do anything to get famous. And that the reality stars and all that started it all off. And the fucking real housewives and all that wacky shit. You get away from that. You're like, oh, there's real people out there.

1:36:50There's real people. That's a storm of anxiety. It's just a hurricane of confusion.

1:36:58And everyone's losing their mind and everyone's in therapy and everyone's fucking nuts and everyone's trans. It's out of touch. Yeah. It's just a crazed cult. Yeah, it's like, you start out as a stand up comedian and you are trying to poke holes in the absurdity of the world. And you're saying things that are not being said on stage. And then, you know, as, you know, you all of a sudden get brought into, and I'm sort of saying the every stand up comedian, every outlier, every person that's doing something different. A punk rocker, a skateboarder, you know, my goofy show was so out there when I was making it.

1:37:44And I was making it. I was rebelling against, you know, in Canada, in my little, little public access show. I was kind of trying to rebel against what obviously seems like a formulaic mainstream way of thinking to create art. And then you move to Los Angeles, because, well, the show got on MTV. I ended up moving to Los Angeles. Now you're talking about myself now. You're in the trash. All of a sudden being asked to go on, you know, the show, the Tonight Show, Saturday Night Live, and you're on these shows. And, you know, I was sort of sort of a bit of a naïve, you know, moron, basically, you know, like in purposefully so, I'd go on these shows, try to go nuts, right, and try to do something crazy, and just try to sort of die, sort of almost disrupt the whole format of it, right?

1:38:33In those first couple of years as a naïve person who didn't understand how Hollywood worked. And I was just, you know, I went on, I had a similar thing to our last appearance here on Jay Leno. I went on Jay Leno, when I had a film coming out, I went on Jay Leno, and I came up with this bit. Let me roll the bar. You know, remember they had the bar, cart, the Jay bar. I'll roll it out on stage during the show, and then I'll do a shoddy -yagger with Jay. You know, Jay doesn't, this is a crazy story. I probably told you this before, but I do a shoddy -yagger with Jay, and Jay doesn't drink. So he said, okay, I'll throw it over my shoulder, right?

1:39:08So we go there, and I'm with my buddy who's, you know, you know, I was a buddy who like pushes you further into the darkness, right? Like, you know, you know, you got a bad idea, and he pushes you further and makes it even worse. Who's the force? Yeah, so we're in the green room getting, right? I'm in the green room with my buddy getting ready to go on the show, and he goes, do a shoddy -yagger now before he go on. I'm like, okay, so I do a shoddy -yagger now before I go on, right? Again, ready to go on. The bits all approved with a tonight show, you know, it's a gag. They know I'm doing real yagger, right?

1:39:39But it wasn't planned that I would do a shoddy -yagger before I go on. You go, do another shoddy -yagger before you go on. Two shoddy -yagger. Two shoddy -yagger. Do another one. So now I walk out, I'm three shoddy -yagger, before I even show even starts. Oh, boy, you're hammered. Well, pretty quickly. Then, yeah, and then I got out there, and I did a shoddy -yagger, and the audience goes crazy, and cheers, right? And so then I do another shoddy -yagger, and so I end up doing like, oh, way too many shods. And it kind of ended up very similarly to our last conversation here. And it was actually pretty hilarious.

1:40:09It was one of those things where, you know, it did get out of control. You know, the next day, the New York Post had my picture, and it said, dead drunk. It was just like one of those. And, you know, Jay called me at home the next day. You okay, man? You know, really kind of went up. But then, you know, that was sort of the beginning of me realizing, oh, you know, you can't read. Why Tom Green went on Leno and deliberately got drunk. Yeah. And, you know, in hindsight, I go, well, that was, you know, kind of the outrageous kind of young version of me that I was doing on the show that made perfect sense to do that for a gag.

1:40:50But then, you know, the naive kid and me didn't understand, well, you know, a lot of people in Hollywood did not understand that and then got mad and the movie studio. You got mad at you? Well, I like the movie studio. I was on promoting the movie and they're like, oh, we don't want you to go anymore talk shows for the movie. I'm like, well, what? I was a joke. I was obviously a joke. And they're not interpreting it as a joke. They're interpreting it as me being kind of out of control, which yeah, exactly. But it was a, it was a manufactured out of control. I was out of control, but it was planned confusion, right?

1:41:24So, but that kind of subtlety didn't really, didn't really kind of pass the smell test. So, so then you start to go, oh, geez, I better tone it down a little bit. You know, better, better tone it down a little bit because this, and you sort of end up falling into that feeling where all the sudden you're, like you said, going to an audition or driving out to a meeting. Or just trying to be a person that you're not. Yeah, exactly. But if you're hosting a late night talk show and all of a sudden you're this sort of wearing a tie, this odd button down and trying to make something that they like and fit into their mold.

1:42:04And, you know, I'll try to get your own little creative shots off within that mold. But no longer are you actually being purely yourself, right? And you can't. And so, you know, you end up living there for 20 years, end up living there for 20 years. And it becomes normal pretty quickly, right? And then you sort of slowly forget, oh, you know, oh, this is just the way it works, I guess, now. And then eventually, you know, one day you go, I'm getting out of here. And I got to say, you know, when you, when you moved here, it was a bit of a light bulb. I think for me too, I was inspiring for me because I sort of realized, oh, look at that.

1:42:47Joe's leaving, you know, because you're always at the comedy store, all the clubs. It was a scene in LA and you're thinking, wow, like Joe, Joe's just going to go do it on his own and just turn his back on this whole infrastructure here. And I was like, yeah, you can do that. You don't have to be here. And, and it was really inspiring. And, you know, it inspired a lot of people. And, and I can tell you, again, it's now living in the woods, not far from where I grew up. We had a cottage when I was a kid, pretty close to where I grew up. They've got these birds, they're called whipperwills, right?

1:43:30Whipperwills, whipperwills, they make this sound. They've really unique sounding bird, right? Hank Williams sings about them. And, and I grew up as a kid here in those in the woods at night, you know? Just a dusk, you hear them. And now, like, when I'm going to bed, I hear those. And I'm like, oh, I feel like, like the sounds of my childhood. Like you're in a rich. And the smells of my childhood. And even the things with, you know, the mosquitoes, the horse flies. And you're like, even the, you know, the, the, the, the, the large mouth, mouth bass in the, in the lake. And the, you know, the, the red winged blackbirds and all those sounds and smells and everything.

1:44:06And you feel like yourself again. And it's like, and there was serious, you know, it was for, for, for 20 years. I'd, I'd be like driving up Laurel Canyon, looking at palm trees. And, and, and for 20 years, even after 20 years living in the same house, I never felt like I was actually at home. I felt like I was off on some business trip trying to, and I remember saying, you know, even just, even after living there 15, 20 years, like, what the hell am I doing? It was actually crazy. Yeah. What, what, this is a weird place. You know, it's like a weird place. And, you know, you feel almost like you have to be there.

1:44:45Now, everything's changed. The internet, I think, and I think COVID did that for a lot of people too. Because all of a sudden, everybody's locked in their house. And you're dealing with people in these Zoom calls and the internet's changed. You don't have to be anywhere anymore. We realize we can be wherever we want. You know, you took your entire organization away. And it's bigger than ever. And light bulbs start going off. And you're like, wow, you know what? That's, that's really cool. I'm going to go home. Well, when we were living in LA, you're, you're always thinking of yourself as someone who wants to work with the system.

1:45:26You're always thinking of that. Always. I mean, I was on television shows. I did all that stuff. I did a couple of movies. You're always working with the system. So no matter what you do, you're working with, even when you put out specials. You're putting out specials. You're, you're meeting with these people. You're, you're working with the system. And you start to think that that's what you do. That's the business that you're, but it's not. What you do is what you do. That's what you do. What you do is what you do. And you could do what you do wherever you want to do it. Yeah. So actually once you get good enough out of it, they have an audience and like, you're supposed to take a chance.

1:45:56You're not supposed to like keep living your life by these like bizarre tyrants and their rules and regulations about the way, in the way they behave, in the way they fucking, it's so ridiculous. It's such a bizarre place to be. And when you realize that you don't need that anymore, and comedians today realize they don't need that anymore, all they need is a TikTok account or a YouTube account, an Instagram account, a Twitter account, and some good content. And if you get on podcast, people check you out. They'll try you out. And there's a gigantic, organic network of comedians. We're all friends with each other and we all get on each other's podcast and we all trust each other.

1:46:38Like, if I tell you this guy's really funny, go see him. Like, I'm telling you the truth. I'm not, I would not ever lie. And I wouldn't have them on if I didn't think they were funny, if I didn't like them. They weren't nice people. I'm not interested. Yeah. So there's this beautiful, organic thing. And that's the real network now. That's the real network. It's an organic network. There's no contract. So every comic that I know that has contracts with other comics so they start doing things together, it always goes south. I mean, maybe it can not go south once or twice. I mean, maybe there's some great people that are figured out.

1:47:10I mean, Thompson Gurz seems like he's figured out how to do it with your mom's house, but that's like almost it. Everybody else that I know that gets involved with deals and it's like just fucking just help each other. Just help each other organically. That was what I really loved about hanging at the mothership the last two nights is the energy there is different. For the comedy club just in the green room. I mean, you felt it. You can tell that you've created an energy there that is supportive. All the comics are just hanging out in the green room. Smoke and cigarettes and everyone's talking and just, you know, it's super chill.

1:47:50And I did sometimes find that it wasn't always like that when you're in a comedy club and other comedians or sometimes a little more feel a little more competitive with each other and there's a little bit of that. So stupid. It's so stupid. Any competition that you have with other comedians is inspiration. That's all you should look at it. If someone's doing really well and you're like, wow, I wish I was doing that well. The great. That's inspiration to work harder. That's inspiration to go right more. Do more sets. Re -evaluate your material. Go over it better. Do something. Right more. Have some life experiences that you can translate into your act.

1:48:25Work harder. It's like, it's just, you should just be inspired. And if that person is a good person, you should be happy for them. And that's what we can all do. This idea that we're all in competition with each other is just stupid. It's not good for anybody. I was stoked to get to see your work in progress, your new hour that you're working on. That was incredible. Thank you. Yeah, that was really fun. You got such a great place to watch the show there. I mean, the first of all, Fat Man room, little Fat Man little boy. Awesome. I mean, I just love the way you've set up for the comics, where you can go and sit on that balcony up there and just watch the show.

1:49:04The balcony is very nice. It was just really amazing to watch you working out your new shit. Thank you. Fucking awesome. And I enjoyed our conversation because I've watched a lot of your interviews with comedians here and I saw you interview with Louis and you were talking about writing. And saw you interview with Bill Burr. You're talking about writing. And you know, there's this thing where a lot of comics don't write. And we were talking about this a little bit the other day. Yeah. But I love the process of hearing how the process works for you. Because I kind of do a mixture of things too.

1:49:37I like to go sit at a computer and type stuff up. But it's always, I've always found it hard to like, this is a question I kind of have for you. Because when you go right, you work it out on stage. And you know, you've got your idea, you've got your premise, you've got your punchlines, you've got your, you know, your bit, and you're working it on stage. And then I found it really inspiring, actually. Because, first of all, I love, I love the way it works. It was standard. Like you, when you showed up at the, at the green room, you're about to go on stage and you're like focused, you know? You're like focused and you're going through your notes and you're focused.

1:50:14And I'm like, you know, I can tell you're focused, right? Then you go out, you kill it. You come back in and you see the, you know, that adrenaline rush. And then we're just, you know, that number or everyone says, you're just relaxed and it's just that, that release, right? Yeah. And then we were just talking about writing and you said, you're going to go home and actually, I don't know if you want people to know, this is too far into the, behind the curtain or whatever. No, it's okay. You're going to go home and right after I just think, that's so cool. You know, well, it's fresh. You go home and actually type, type up some stuff.

1:50:44That's what I've been doing some of my best writing. Yeah. There's like a two hour window that I have where I'm still jazzed from being on stage. Right, right. And you're, you're still kind of thinking in that mindset. Yeah. You got to just kind of, and don't let yourself relax too much. Like, kind of stay in that mindset. Right. And then, you know, as long as I'm not up too late where I get tired, then I'm forcing it, you know. So, but if I can get home at a reasonable time and I've got a lot of energy, I get my best writing in. I get some of my best ideas. Because I'm already thinking like comedy.

1:51:14Yeah. You know, you just had it and you said you have the exact words in your head. Yeah. And that's, that I thought was a bit of a light bulb for me. That's inspiring because, you know, I often find it's like, you know, when you write something down or when you do the set and you, you know, maybe write it down after and then you don't go get to writing it. And then you'd never remember what the rhythm was later. Yeah. What the hell was it? I said again. Right. So I know it was way funnier than what I'm writing. Right. So that's, uh, that's how recordings are so important. Yeah. Just put your phone on the little, you know, voice recording thing.

1:51:50Just to get a reference. Yeah. I was, uh, I was talking to, uh, you know, Louis C .K. I had a conversation with him about this. And, uh, it was pretty interesting because I've kind of, you know, I like to drink, but I, I kind of quit. I really have cut back drinking in the last. You know, I quit drinking like three days ago. No. No, but stand up, you know, I saw, you know, I, I, I, I wasn't doing stand up when I was doing my TV show. I done it when I was a kid. I stopped it in my TV show, started again, like, you know, 13, 14 years ago. It was drinking a lot like I like to drink like everybody likes to drink.

1:52:33And I go on the road and I started realizing, man, like even if I go drinking Friday night after the show, my Saturday night shows aren't as good as they could have been, because I'm kind of like carrying a little bit of this alcohol around to me from the night before. I, I, I, I quickly realized, you know, the beginning was I go, I'll have a beer on stage, right? Then I, then I go, oh, I better not have a beer on stage. I'll wait till after the show to have a drink. So then after the show Friday night, you know, you know, on the road, it's fun. You know, you're in Cleveland. Let's go. Let's party.

1:53:00We're in Cleveland. You know, so you know, you have a, have a few too many drinks after the show Friday night. And of course, I was, you know, younger too, right? I was, you know, my 30s. So you can handle a little more too than when you're 52. So, but then every year that went by, I was like, oh, those Saturday night shows are getting a little harder to get through, you know? And it's just one too many Saturdays. Just lying in my hotel room, just waiting for the show to start hungover going, oh, my God. And then, and then dreading and being on stage. So then I, then I decided I was going to quit drinking when I'm doing stand -up.

1:53:33Like, so I'm not drinking this weekend, you know, until maybe Sunday night. You know, I mean, we'll have a drink Sunday night. Maybe even Saturday night, I could do a hungover show Sunday. But, but, but, you got to have a little fun. Listen, I got a solution for you. IV drips. Yeah. Oh, it's game changer. So I can keep drinking. You bring that right on stage with you. No. I'm just kidding. You don't bring the IV on stage. The next day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The next day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:54:07Yeah. You know, a week, a weekend like this, we're doing five shows. It's like, I find, and this is what I was talking about with Louis about where I had a, you know, we're not close friends. But I had an opportunity to have a conversation with him about this once, and it was pretty cool. Because the way he's mind thinks is so, you know, analytical about this type of specific. Mmm. Everything comedy, right? And I was telling him, I was saying, you know, I stopped drinking before I go on stage because, you know, I feel like there was this period where I didn't have a drink or... a couple of weeks, and when I was doing crowd work, I was just coming up with stuff that I would never, you know, when you have a great set of crowd work, and you get up and came up with this intricate story that I told, and it was clear my mind was operating in a different level than it would have been had I just had a few beers the night before even, right?

1:54:55And then he said something I'd never really even occurred to me before, which is, you know, when you're working on a set, you know, if you have like a little bit of booze in your system, even from the night before, when you're up there working on a set, you don't remember the stuff that happened on stage as well, either. So then when you go home, you don't believe in recall, you know, and that's the biggest, you know, the big part of repetition, getting up and doing these sets over and over again, and you remember everything and build on it and build on it, and if you're not retaining that information, right, so, so I'm really laying off the sauce, and I was actually kind of, I was excited to hear that we were going to do this show on the day of my, I'm doing two shows tonight at the mothership with that man, and I was kind of excited because I knew I wasn't going to drink on this show, so you knew you weren't going to repeat.

1:55:42Yeah, I knew I was not, I was going, I'm not going to do what I did last time. And so I kind of came in. I'm not trying to encourage you to drink, but I know I'm trying to encourage you that if you do wind up drinking too much, you feel hungover, you don't have to just tolerate it. No, I like that too. Yeah, get, get an IV drip. IV drip, huh? Yeah, if you're in town, I'll connect you to the weight of the dough. That just seems like such an extreme, it's like, you know, you're drinking too much, you know, you're drinking too much when you're like, you're in a hospital bed with an IV drip. You know, you're being smart about your party.

1:56:10Yeah. Yeah. Or you're not in a hospital bed. Yeah, yeah. You're just sitting down, takes 20 minutes. The reason I told you about the reason why I wanted to come down here sooner and just kind of come check out and hang at the club, you know, I was super stoked that I'm actually getting to headline the club this weekend. That was even more than I was expecting. I was just wanted to come down and see and congratulate you on the club. And the reason it's taken me so long is I had a fucked up thing that happened after I moved to the farm, basically, immediately after I moved to the farm and everything was going great, I was, I had a major injury that I told you about, again, too much detail about it.

1:56:51But at a major injury in Costa Rica, I went down there for a vacation and there was this, you know, a big bonfire on the beach and everyone was having fun. I went to bed in the hotel. I wake up, I decide to go back to the bonfire few hours later, it's like two in the morning at this point. The fire has gotten a lot smaller. I pick up a piece of driftwood off this beach and this remote beach, right? I go up to throw the driftwood on the fire and the reason the fire had gotten smaller is the people that had been at the fire put out the fire by burying it in sand and they buried this huge bonfire that was about the size of this room in sand and so now there was just a little fire with sand covering hot coals about four feet leading up to it and I'm walking up to the thing, you know, barefoot in a bathing suit and a t -shirt with a piece of driftwood and my foot goes into the sand, into these hot coals, immediate realization.

1:57:58If I'd fallen forward, I mean my face would be burnt, I ended up immediately realizing what had happened. Third degree burns on both feet, the top and bottom of my right foot and the strangely the top of my left foot, not the bottom thankfully, and the nerves were completely burned off my feet. So after the initial shock of it, I wasn't in pain, which was this weirdest thing and I looked down and there's a couple people came to my sort of assistance and we're putting water on it, not feeling anything, you know, I'll get graphic because it's crazy but the skin is just falling off my feet. Oh my God.

1:58:40I get help back to my room. I'm not wanting this to be, you know, it's the first day I got there, this really ruined my vacation. You know, I'm not feeling pain because the nerves are gone so I'm literally like trying to clean it up with like some nail clippers, chopping the look, there's a burnt flesh off and - Do you have photos? I do, yeah. Of this? Yeah. Why don't you look like that? Not online. So - No, I need phone. I have not even - I need to see. I need to see. That sounds insane. I haven't even talked about it online. I didn't - This first I've talked about it online. Yeah, I never knew that you were injured.

1:59:18I didn't want to talk about it. I just didn't - I -

1:59:26It was crazy. I ended up spending two weeks in the hospital in Costa Rica and then was metavacked on an air ambulance with Charlie. Whoa, Charlie, Charlie. You were there for the whole ride? Yeah, with Charlie, yeah. And - The nurses take Charlie to go potty? So I had some friends who came down who were coming down anyways and they took Charlie. Oh, Charlie. They looked after Charlie for two weeks while I - So I got - I got driven to the San Jose hospital. I'm Charlie. What's up? Yeah, and she was - She was worried. She's adorable, man. She's such a sweet dog. Yeah. And - I know the people that are seeing her out now like, oh, she's kind of freaked out, but normally she's not freaked out at all.

2:00:09Oh, yeah, yeah. She's super sweet. She runs up to everybody and wagging her tail. Yeah. Super friendly. It's last. Yeah, so - And as I got to this hospital, there's a surgeon from Columbia who worked there. It's a great hospital, thankfully. Came out, he said, look at my foot. He said, we're taking you in immediately into surgery. Oh, my God. And they did skin grafts off my leg and they took skin grafts like the size of a football off my right leg and stapled 60 staples to staple the skin into my foot. And then I come up out of surgery and the doctor says to me, which I think he was trying to make me feel better, but he said, well, the good news is you'll probably be able to live a normal life.

2:00:55She says to me, the first thing he says to me, oh, my God. And I'm, you know, I can't move. I had morphine going into my back. I couldn't feel anything below my waist. I thought it was paralyzed. They told me it wouldn't be able to feel anything below my waist while I came out of it. And then I'd spend two weeks in a hospital bed and I was not able to get out of the hospital bed for two weeks.

2:01:19This is debatably too much information, but it's interesting. You get, you get very constipated from all the medicine that's going into you and you end up not being able to, you know, go to the bathroom for about a week. But then you ultimately have to go and you can't get out of bed because your foot has remained elevated. Oh, boy. So this is where you drop a log in a bucket. You got to drop a log in a diaper. Oh, Jesus. And someone's got to clean your butts. And then these Costa Rican nurses come in and clean your butt and it was just a really interesting moment of clarity for me where you realize you're humbled as a human being and you realize, oh, this is, this is, I've lost all ability to look after myself and you just kind of end up having to just kind of go with it.

2:02:07And it was, you know, to my answer with I still think about that sometimes. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, not just kidding. But, you know, they were very nice. The nurses were very nice. Oh, very sweet of them to take care of you like that. And so you can't put any weight on your foot because the bottom of your foot is that skin graft as well or just the top for the, so then for the next, exactly. And it was very delicate. The skin graft for the first. No, was the bottom skin grafted as well? Yeah. Yeah. All around very, very. The bottom of your foot, like the sole of your foot with skin grafts.

2:02:37That's crazy because I would think like, how do they skin graft that? Right? Does your footprint come back the same way? The ridges, the dermal ridges? Yeah, but it's not perfect though. It's interesting the, it was a World War II doctor who invented the way of taking these skin grafts. Actually they did it for burn victims in the war and they invented some really, I don't know the word for it, but some tool that actually takes a micro thin layer of skin. So micro, I don't really have a scar on my leg anymore. So why? Yeah, it's amazing. It's almost like a less than paper thin layer of skin. They take them off of strips like this and then they staple it into your foot to hold it on there.

2:03:19And then that's left on there for about, I think it was just about two weeks actually. And then at the end of the two weeks in Costa Rica, they, I had to go under three general anesthetic surgeries in Costa Rica, in a Central American hospital, by myself, by the way. My mom and I wanted to fly down, my dad wanted to fly down, I was like, no, I'm just sitting here like, you know, half out of it, you know, so I just spent two weeks in there. And there's a second surgery where they go in and they checked it. They had to go in and check it. And so I had to go under general just to like take the bandages off because it's painful.

2:04:02And then the third general one was to go in and take the staples out. And then I met a back back to Toronto, the Sunnybrook Burn Center, Sunnybrook Hospital Burn Center, where I spent another 10 days. And then for the next essentially six months, Joe, I would have to go to a doctor three times a week to have my bandages changed because it's like, you know, losing. And six months? Yeah, yeah. I spent three times a week for the first two months and then it was like twice a week and then it was once a week. And they're also monitoring it for infection, right? Because if you get an infection, then they have to amputate your foot.

2:04:42So it was basically six months of me just worried about losing my foot. You know, you're saying, am I going to have like one testicle and one foot? Is this what's going on with me? So they didn't have to amputate my foot, fortunately, but it was pretty, pretty, pretty scary shit. Holy shit, dude. And anyways, and then, you know, and then it was kind of like limping for the next year and then now I'm kind of still a little wobbly, but it's pretty good. I'm just going to, I actually found some photos of this and pulled them up because I thought you might ask when I told you about this. Of course.

2:05:14Now, the thing about this is, which crazy is this is like, this is actually, this is like actually when it had healed. So, I mean, that's after a healed. This is months, months, this is maybe two months after I was back in Canada at this point. Wow. I have some better ones, sir. You know, here's a... That's horrible. Here's... Let's see, here's... Yeah, this is sort of healing up, healing up this, that's my mom, my mom, I don't think. Healing up at the hospital, but yeah, it's... Damn, son, you got fucked up. Yeah, yeah, but it's, you know, could've been worse, right? Could've been worse, so. Yeah.

2:06:00You're alive. You're here. Could've been worse. And you get this, you get the sense of almost, it's almost like a sense of gratitude you get afterwards, because you're like, I'm alive, I'm here, I still got my foot. And it's so strange how that happens, because it's happened to me twice now in my life, because I had testicular cancer when I was on MTV, and that's why I stopped the show, and I'd go to the hospital, they took my right test goal, I still got the left one, everything's fine. But, and you go, you go from... There's a moment where you're like, in both occasions, this moment where you're sort of traumatized by what's happening.

2:06:40And angry about it. And then it sort of almost instantly flips. It must be some sort of human self -preservation kind of thing that's built into where our minds work, where you're now grateful that it's not worse. You know, like, you know, oh, it's healing. I still have my foot. This is a learning experience, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to do that again. You think that's wired into people? I think the opposite. I think that's a learned skill. I think that's something that you recognize as an intelligent person. Like, you know what, I should be thankful for what I have all the time. And we all should, it's really hard to be.

2:07:23You get so accustomed to the way your life is that you can't imagine if you were like severely impaired or something horrible happened. It's like, after I had cancer, it's sometimes it comes into my mind like a, like, a little bit of a light bulb or a wave. Like, I'll think to myself, you know, if I'm having a slightly bad day, you know what I mean? And I'll, you know, be like, like, I don't know for whatever reason it happens just sometimes when I'm out doing normal errands and I'm having a slightly bad day. I go into the gas station, pump and gas or something. And then I think to myself, oh man, at least I'm not in the hospital right now, dealing with some crazy, you know, existential life and death thing, you know.

2:08:04And so, yeah, maybe it is a learned thing because of what I've been through with that because the same thing happened after I burned my foot. You know, as soon as it sort of, as soon as I'm, you're quickly start of, you go from, I can't believe this has happened. I'm angry, I just ruined my vacation. I might lose my foot. This is horrible too. Okay, how are we going to get better? How are we going to make sure that I do everything to change the bandages on time? And your whole life changes, right? You know, I'm not thinking about all the things that I'm normally stressed about, whether it's work or relationships or whatever, things that are just normal standard things that you're pissed off about.

2:08:41And all of a sudden you're just, oh, not even thinking about that anymore. I'm just thinking about making sure I don't get an affection on my foot and you're sort of treating it like a military operation, trying to save your foot or trying to, you know, make sure that you, you know, make the right choices in your cancer treatment. And then when you come out of it, it's true, it's possibly a learned thing. You come out of it and you realize, oh, all that shit that I'm normally worried about doesn't matter compared to what I just went through. And then you can kind of maybe learn from that. And you know, then it's time passes.

2:09:17You slip back into the same routine. You start stressing out about the same things again, but then every once in a while, it pops into your head and go, at least I'm not dealing with the foot's healed. And I'm outside right now and everything's good. I'm walking, I'm talking, I'm alive, so gratitude. Gratitude. It's also people need this experience, a certain amount of discomfort in order to appreciate not having that. It's just the way we're wired for whatever reason. I choose voluntary discomfort. I do shit like cold plunges and so on as in hard workouts. And I think it's a viable strategy. I think it really works.

2:09:49I think if you can force yourself to do difficult things, like a difficult workout, a difficult yoga class, cold plunges, so on as that kind of shit, your regular life will be less stressful. You'll be able to deal with these or seemingly high stress situations. They will seem less stressful because you're doing voluntary stress all the time. And you prepare yourself for difficult things. When you don't prepare yourself for difficult things, you can get caught up in just traffic being something that blows your mind. You can't handle it anymore. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I see you doing those cold plunges, and I haven't done that yet, but people do that in lakes and stuff.

2:10:30Yeah, I mean, it's awesome. I want to do that. Get a sauna, put it right by your legs. Yeah, I want to do that. But that lake's cold as fuck in the winter. Yeah, I was playing hockey on it a few weeks ago. Yeah, just out there shooting some pucks in the net and you know, so I could play against skate again. The first year I didn't skate. Get yourself one of them little wood -powered saunas. Yeah. You can use it with firewood. Yeah. You don't have to have anything electricity rigged out there. Yeah. They make a bunch of those. Yeah. You can throw some wood in there. Get that bitch hot as fuck. Get a chainsaw.

2:10:58Ah. Cut a hole in the ice. Yeah. Make sure you don't drown. I am going to do that because it's, I'm not sure how, I mean, I haven't done a cold plunge. I can tell you that I do like the cold, like we sort of touched on that earlier. Like when you just go outside into, like sometimes it's Canadians complain about the cold. Who live in the city. But when you live in the country, it's different. The city winter sucks because like they put salt on the roads and you're basically running from your house to your car. But in the country when there's, you go outside and nature and you walk into the woods.

2:11:29There's no bugs. There's no mud. Everything's frozen. You can go places. You can't go in the summer. In the winter you can walk across lakes. You can walk across huge lakes to islands that are over there with warm, you know, bath and Canada goose jacket on. I don't walk in across lakes that I don't like. Oh yeah, I don't like it. It's sort of like, I kind of was thinking to myself, I was going to say, you know, it's sort of like a cold plunge except it's just, you just go outside as a cold plunge sometimes. Yeah. It's like you do get a dopamine rush, right? Just from being outside. So you can, like, I've actually noticed that in warmer climate sometimes I'm a bit more lethargic, you know?

2:12:11But when the winter comes it's like, okay, go outside. It's like, you know, you feel it. You feel that, you know, it's just... Well, letharmonies always have a studio really cold. Yeah. They don't want people to be warm and sleepy. Yeah, yeah. A little cold. A little... Ha! Keeps the climate fresh. Yeah. But there's something about walking across a lake that is just like... Yeah, at any moment now, I always get just break. Oh no, no. Well, because you know... I know you can't. I look, I went ice fishing last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Now people make mistakes all the time. They go, they wait too long.

2:12:42It's a spring and they drive the truck out on it and it goes to the ice. But if you're, you know, if you're properly advised by people that know what they're doing, don't, you know, like the people, you know, that... Some of my friends out there do a lot of ice fishing, you know, they tell you, okay? The other thing you can do is, like when I was playing hockey on the lake this year, you just stay close to the shore. So you go, okay, well, if I fall through, it's only two feet deep or three feet deep here. So, you know, you won't actually be sucked away under the ice. But walking across in the middle, yeah, you have a little bit more dangerous out in the middle there.

2:13:16I'm sure you've seen the video of the Russian woman who jumps into the river. Oh, yeah, yeah. So horrible. Oh, my gosh, yeah. They cut a hole in the ice and she doesn't realize it's a raging river beneath it. And she gets sucked under. And I heard that just happened recently in the States, too. A woman's dog or something went into the building after her. Oh, God. God, dammit. Yeah, the... That's fucking terrifying. The idea of being trapped under the ice. There's another one of a guy who's trying to... They cut two holes and they try to swim from one of the other and the ice is clear. And you see him under there.

2:13:48You see him get disoriented. And then you see him trying to find his way back to the other hole. And then he does eventually find his way. But there's this sort of moment of panic where his friends are up on top and they're banging on the ice and they're trying to say, no, no, this way, this way. You can see his body panicking. You know, you can see him like sort of feeling. And when you panic, you lose oxygen. And then your body, your heart rate goes up. It's like not good. Not easy to keep your... There it is right there. I don't want to see this man. I want to see this. Stop it, Jamie. I remember the first time I saw the concept of falling through the ice and the winter was that...

2:14:25Remember the movie Never Cry Wolf? Have you ever seen that movie? That was a good movie. Look at this. Yeah, and this is... This is real. There's, they're trying to say this way, this way. And then he goes back all the way back. He goes all the way... Yeah. Oh, the music even makes it... What is he doing? Yeah. They had a rope. He found the rope. Is he going to make it? Yeah. Yeah, he ends up making it. But yeah, there you go. So I think you want a cold plunge in the lake closer to shore. Bro, fuck what that is. Whatever that is. Fuck what that is. Jesus. You're so close. Right. Yeah, he's like a foot away from the hole.

2:15:11And he couldn't tell. That's nuts, man. You ever see that movie Never Cry Wolf from the 80s? It was about a guy that goes up in the Arctic to study wolves. And then he ends up befriending them. And Brian Denney plays the evil trapper. And it was a... Oh, one of that movies. Yeah, it was a great movie. It was based on this Canadian novel, Farley Moett novel called Never Cry Wolf. Yeah, did the wolves really make friends with him in real life? So he goes up the novel. It's a novel. It's a true story. He goes up to... About a scientist who goes up to study these wolves. And, you know, it's just sort of man versus nature kind of story.

2:15:47We end up becoming a Disney movie. But, you know, he ends up, you know, running out of food. His food gets dropped off in the wrong place or something like that. So he ends up sort of seeing the wolves eating mice. So he ends up, you know, the big scene, the big... Probably inspired some of my work later in life. He starts eating mice off crackers and stuff like that. And it was a big little gross out, so he needs the mice off the crackers. But then he ends up falling through the ice at one point, walking across a lake. And there's a scene like that. And it's one of those, you know, back in the 80s pre -CGI movies where you're just sort of remembered you had to come up with actual scenes where something relatable and shocking happens that you can actually really, like, grips you, you know.

2:16:29Yeah. And Brian Denahee shows up and... Well, you know, he's... He kills the wolves and it's very sad. And that's the end of the movie. So you don't have to watch it anymore. Well, at one point in time, people did have to have become friends with wolves because that's where dogs came from. So when wolves came around the campfires, there must have been some curious wolves and there must have been some generous hunters who threw them a bone or threw them some meat. And that's how dogs got made. The bitch asked wolves. They're like, oh, I'm just... I'm happy to be your friend. Yeah. They didn't really want to hunt deer anymore.

2:17:00Yeah, we're not deer cooking some nice, you know. And it made... Mammoth stakes here. I think that smells better than... Yeah. Smiles were eating. Smiles are incredible. Yeah, yeah. Especially with a wolf nose. That's not good enough. Oh, my God. So we've made friends with them. And that's where dogs... That's where Charlie comes from. Charlie comes from a wolf. Yeah. I was... Yeah, I've watched some of your episodes where you talk about wolves because I'm really finding myself interested in it. Because this is... I hear them at night. That's not Charlie. Like at night. Not every night, but...

2:17:31What's up, Charlie? I hear them howling and she goes crazy. Oh, Charlie. So in the house at night, you hear them. Because they'll eat her. And so she'll hear them from in the house at night. I don't hear them. But all of a sudden, this happens three times a week. She starts running around the house. Sparking, marking, marking. And then we go in the porch and you hear them howling in the distance. And so they just... So this summer... And I know this happened to you. I had chickens. I got chickens. I got chickens in June as well. I was six chickens. And, you know, eggs. You know, I'm getting eggs from my chickens.

2:18:10I'm eating a lot of eggs now. Eating a lot of eggs. And they free -range, right? So I just... Not fenced in, right? But the woods are sort of... There's a pond and their woods are on the other side of the pond. And it's kind of a pasture on one side. So, you know, debatably the wolves in the coyotes don't come right up to near the barns where the chickens are, right? So I let them free -range. So in the morning, I get up and I let the chickens out. And then they spend the day walking around on the lawn and the grass. And then it's sort of a more, you know, closer to the house area. And this was great all summer.

2:18:48It was great. I named them. It was like Loretta Patsy, Shenaya, Dolly, June, and Ann. They're my girls, you know? I give them all female country singer names. And then they were bonded with them in a way. Like they're kind of sweet, you know? I actually would take... Sometimes I bring one in the house and hang out with it and play piano with it. And it was like, you know, it was... I mean, this getting weird. But it was... It was interested in the music. Like there's an intelligence there that's... I mean, I know chickens aren't known for being the most intelligent thing in the world. But you would see their wheels turning, listening to the music.

2:19:22I kind of become attached to these chickens, you know? And then, yeah. So I get a bit more comfortable with having them free range. They free -ranged all summer. And they're great because they're eating all the bugs and getting all the insects and stuff on the property and around the house. And so I drive into town one day. So I'm gone for two hours. Okay. And I come back and I'm coming up the driveway and it's just feathers, feathers, feathers, feathers, feathers. And there was one survivor, Loretta survived. She was sort of... Funnily enough, there was one chicken that didn't hang out with other chickens all the time.

2:20:05And this one, Loretta, I named her Loretta. And she was probably just somewhere else, but that's five just got... Got killed by the coyotes. And I saw them on my security cameras. They kind of came right up to the house. And so the thing is, it's like... You realize, and I realize this even more after talking to the wolf expert, they were watching the house from the woods and they saw me leave. And they knew that there was nobody there. And they chose their moment, the wolves. I think they might have been coyotes that did the chickens. They waited. Like, they waited for me. They knew my truck.

2:20:42They knew there was nobody there. And they said, you know, one good thing to do if you leave, you know, is to play talk radio. You know, maybe they'll hear that. But so they were watching. And they came and they got five of them all at once. And it was... Chickens were gone. There was just feathers everywhere. Like... It almost looked like a bomb had hit the chicken. It was like just a big circle of feathers. And there's five circles of feathers. It's weird to come upon, right? And so then I have this one chicken left. And this is actually kind of sad too. That's funny. Like I literally cried.

2:21:17And then my... Because I was like so upset. And then... And then my neighbors, you know, were farmers. You know, everybody's in mind. You know, came over and they were like, oh, look at the chicken feathers everywhere. And I said, you know, it's like... You know, is this normal for me to be crying about this? And I said, do farmers cry? They go, not over their dead chickens, you know? I'm like a city guy here crying over my dead chickens. But... But... So then, yes. So then I got two more chickens to keep Loretta company. And this is kind of breaking news as of yesterday. These two new chickens came.

2:21:52And they hung up with Loretta for the next sense, I don't know, August. And then... Well, this is a downer. But yesterday I got a call and the two chickens killed Loretta. The ones that was from the different flock, you know? They pecked her to death last night or two nights ago in the middle of the night. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's a downer. But anyway, so now you're like, okay, so that sucks. So I got these two fucking murderer chickens. And I'm planning to get more chickens in the spring. So I'm going to get rid of the two chickens. Yeah, you have to start from scratch. Start from scratch because I can't keep these new chickens around.

2:22:27They're fucking murderers. Yeah, that's crazy. And they're like, hi, I'm your friend. Like, no, you're not. You killed my other friend. And they were exactly. And they were friends for the... Well, they were all together for the last... You know, you're supposed to do. Uh -huh. Mm -hmm. I know. Yeah. Put them in oven. Yeah. It's not like I'm going to re -home them. Yeah. Hey, would you like these two murderers? Don't you don't want to rehabilitate them either? Yeah. Uh -huh. Yeah. I can't yell at you. Put them on the grill. Yeah, I was told you hang them upside down. Just hold them upside down for a while and they're kind of black out.

2:22:56And then you can... Don't you want to get revenge for Loretta? It's a strange... Well, you know what? Here's an interesting thing about revenge because I've been thinking about that. Well, I was thinking about revenge with the coyotes. And so here's the thing that's a very sort of odd things, you know. I love the coyotes. I love the wolves. Like I love them. Like I love hearing them at night. Yeah. And I love seeing them. And I photographed them. I've had many moments where I've been engaged in a standoff with them. I've filmed it. And so I kind of was really mad for a minute and then I thought, well, you know what?

2:23:38I think I like the coyotes more than the chickens, to be honest with you. So I'm just going to kind of figure out a way to kind of, you know, control the situation. But also, you know, watching your show with... I forget who it was, but it was an expert in this area and talking to people. Apparently, like, if you... If you try to... Again, this is all theory, but apparently if you try to completely control the population of coyotes by... It just makes more coyotes. It just makes more coyotes. Yeah, it's Dan Flores. Yeah. He wrote a book called Coyote Emerald. That's right. He was when talking about that.

2:24:10Where the coyote actually... The female coyote has more pups. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was what I was talking about earlier where they were prosecuted by the... were persecuted by the grey wolves. Because grey wolves and coyotes don't mix. So when the grey wolves kill the coyotes, the coyotes would expand the range. And then they would repopulate new areas where the grey wolves weren't. And the way they would find out how many coyotes around they call out to each other. That's right. It was on the show that I heard that. When someone is not responding, the female starts to panic and have more pups.

2:24:42Yeah. Now I'm easy. That's why they spread all across. They're in the whole country. Yeah. They're in every city in the United States of America. They're in the cities now, yeah. Yeah. They're everywhere. Every single state has coyotes. Yeah. Pretty nuts. But I love them too. I think they're awesome. I definitely wanted to kill them after they killed my chickens. Yeah. But that's also... It's like, I'm not in the country either, bitch. I'm in a fucking suburb. Yeah. Like this is ridiculous. Right. You don't want a little small wolves in the suburbs. Yeah. But they're everywhere in LA. Coyotes are downtown.

2:25:10They're everywhere. They're all over the place in Los Angeles. They're just little wolves. Yeah. I remember they used to come up to my place in LA that we did the web show. There were a lot of coyotes around. I saw Bobcat on that street once. Those are cool. And those are cool to see, right? Yeah. I was pretty stooped, actually, when I was there. I first saw the coyotes and I had this idea, oh, I liked the coyotes. And I would go grocery shop and buy some chicken gezzards. And I'd throw them on the hillside. Oh, no. And then they really started coming around. So I stopped doing that. Yeah. Duh.

2:25:45You can't feed coyotes. I'm sure a lot of people in Hollywood do, though. Yeah. I'm sure they feed deer. I'm sure they feed coyotes. Yeah. I know people in my neighborhood feed deer. Yeah. People love having deer around. Yeah. Yeah. I know a guy's got, not in my neighborhood, but he's got like 20 pieces of 20 acres of land. And he's got at least two feeders. Right. So like, at every day at 5 p .m., you can look at us window and see deer. Yeah. Because we're there to get fed. Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful. You have been hunting lately or? Not lately. Yeah. Planting going out again or come to Canada.

2:26:19Come hunting Canada. I've been there before. I've wanted to. The government seriously worries me. Yeah. Come up and really does. Run for Prime Minister. Let's change it. Run for Prime Minister. You can do it. You can do it. It would be amazing. How do you say his name again? Paulieev. Paulieev. Sorry. No, the people. The people would love to have you up there. Not everybody. But a lot of people would love to have you up there. You know what it's like? There's a little blue hair up there. They don't want nothing to do with me. Yeah. No, but I mean, I think I want you to know that you are loved by so many up there.

2:26:55And then it's people. I love Canadians. They're awesome. I've always said Canada has 20 % less douchebags. Yeah. It's just very similar to what it's like here with the division. It's the same division. Well, that's why you stop it. It's not just the same divisions and the same bullshit. That's true too. But that's also a ploy that's being used to separate ourselves while they enact more control. And that's what's scary. That's what's scary. It's like the underlying mechanism. Like what's actually happening behind the scenes? Well, they're trying to clamp down and control the population. That's scary.

2:27:26They're trying to clamp down and control the information the population gets. That's fucking scary. Yeah. Because that doesn't ever come back. Yeah. Once they get that power, they don't give it back to the people. Yeah. Never happens. So you had a fight to stop that from happening. Yeah. You can't let them decide what you can and can't do. Because they're just people. I mean, there would be outrage in Canada if your show got banned. If it got blocked. Because everybody watches your show. I mean, it's just like here. Everybody watches your show. Everybody loves your show. It would be outraged. It would be political suicide.

2:28:01It could happen though. It could happen. Especially if there's something new, COVID type thing happens. And I have contrary experts on. I have people on that are like Robert Malone, the guy that they maligned and said it was a conspiracy theory. And he was a, you know, he wasn't a qualified expert to talk about the subject. Even though he's vaccine injured himself, even though he owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. I mean, he's a legitimate scientist that worked on that technology. I think the Canadian public values freedom of expression and speech. That's the Canadian government doesn't.

2:28:41That's the problem. It's, again, they haven't passed that law. But the thing is, if they do, if they try to, and there's calls to do it right now in America. Yeah. There's also calls to do it from the World Health Organization to try to put a kabosh on any information that doesn't jive with what they're saying in the case of another situation, another pandemic or another, I mean, Google released that thing where they were saying that they had some new regulations that would be put in place in cases of a special event or, you know, anything of extreme social or political, like some thing where they're going to be able to stop air quotes misinformation.

2:29:23That's fucking terrifying because oftentimes that information turns out to be correct. I love your approach to it and your stand -up, your new stand -up is hilarious. I won't say it, obviously, but it's just hilarious. Thank you. Because, you know, it's very self -reflective too and I just thought it was just amazing because you're, you know, you're kind of, I won't say it. I don't want to say it because, obviously, you've got your show coming up. Thank you. But I appreciate it. But I thought it was even people that, you know, may think they disagree with you on some subjects, probably are going to really find it quite pointed the way you address the issue in your stand -up set.

2:29:58I thought it was awesome. It was hilarious, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Amazing. Well, it's obviously something on everybody's mind. It's just, we're in a weird pivotal moment where technology and our awareness of corruption is all meeting in this battleground in the middle of the fucking field, like Braveheart. Like, ah! That's what's scary. What's scary is these two things are colliding and I don't know which one's going to win. Because we could turn into a dictatorship. We could. We could turn into something that's closer to a dictatorship and then something that's closer still and continue to go down that line.

2:30:34Especially if there's some need to clamp down on society because something happened, whether it's a solar flare or whether it's a terrorist attack or whether it's just flat -out war, it's all that we need. All that we need is some reason when you need to completely clamp down on your ability to express yourself, platform's ability to distribute information that's contrary to what they're saying, any of those things, anything that they can do to stop that, to put a clamp down on people like disrupting the narrative that they're trying to distribute. It's wild that COVID was essentially one of the catalysts that got me to leave the city.

2:31:19And, you know, it started with the van. I got the van and I'm out in the remote desert and I'm loving it out there. And I was, you know, I was my bug out van. I mean, I had probably, probably could have survived in that van with the solar power battery system and my food. I'd freeze -dried, you know, meals ready to eat, you know, camping food, boil water, and pour it in the bag, and it was lasagna. This is amazing. You know, I could have probably spent, you know, a month's out there without even having to go anywhere, you know. And you start to go, hey, this is kind of cool. You know, like I'm self -sufficient out here.

2:31:53I'm not, you know, I've got 26 gallons. You can get lonely? Well, I would, I would, I would, I would drive out for, to a cool place for three or four days and then I'd go to another location. And then - So you'd go and hang with people? No, I wasn't. I was just doing this sort of - Isolation. I was going to - I was really actually kind of getting into videography. Again, I was, I got some, I got a, I shot this video on Sony A7S3 but I started getting back into cameras. Rapid, you weren't around any people? Well, I was - When you went to cool places, did you go hang around people? Oh, no, I was just alone, yeah.

2:32:30And - And it was making these, it was just Charlie and I, we made this sort of, you know, film. How long did you go without being around any people? Well, because then I would go, uh, because when you came here, well, I was in here, the podcast. I had the distinct impression of a man who just got rescued from an island. Yeah. Yeah. It was Tom Banks. Yeah. You had the fucking volleyball? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like that, yeah. You seem a little manic. It was - It was somewhat of a creative experiment as mixed with real paranoia as well. Because I do sort of, I think sometimes like, like I said, you know, I got testicular cancer.

2:33:06How the fuck did that happen to me? So I'm just like, okay, this is everything bad. If this is happening, it's going to be bad. So it's going to be bad to me. So I'm just going to - And then - So how long did you go without being in contact with any other people? Well, so I was still had my house in LA. So I hadn't sold my house yet. So I had this van. So I would drive out into the desert for a couple of weeks and basically go on a camping trip and then I'd go back home and then - When you were around people when you were back home. So it was still that, people would come over and we'd hang out outside.

2:33:35It was that kind of whole thing for the first few weeks or whatever months. A couple of months. How about mental health? Was it a couple of months? Was it a cover your mouth and then you'd go right outside, holding breath? Yeah, kind of. Just hang outside for a couple of months. Go to the dog park and see people there and stuff like that. It was at, you know, that initial stage where - Because, you know, you weren't in LA then no. So it was wild - What was in LA? Were you in LA at the beginning of COVID? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I first told that straight. Because I did, I came when you showed in LA when it really didn't begin COVID.

2:34:04Yeah, that's right. And the second time I came on your show was here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because remember how they were like - You're avoiding the question. Remember there were military helicopters going over? You're avoiding my question. How long did you go without being around people? Maybe a couple of months or something like that, you know? How many months? Like, well, a couple's two, a few is three or more. Maybe it was three. You sure you wasn't more? Yeah. Well, then I started doing the van thing so there was nobody where I was going anyways. So I had an excuse, you know? Right. I was on the cabin.

2:34:36That's still being with no people. How long were you with no people then? Yeah. I mean, it was a few months, for sure. I'm not - But I wasn't told how many months do you think you spent of that year without being around people? Well, first of all, one thing that's interesting about it is I happened to - to be single at the time. Are you a lawyer? The way you're answering these questions is like, God damn lawyer. Well, it's a bit embarrassing, I guess, to think that I was isolated. No, it's not. But I also found it kind of fun. Right. But how long? Like it was, like it was both three or four months or something like that?

2:35:08But then the van. The van. You were around people then too. No. But that - That's isolation too. Yeah. And that was more like I was enjoying going out into nature by myself and - But you were still by yourself with no people for how long? But I go for a couple of weeks and I go back to L .A. And I'd be in L .A. And you would be around people. I'd recharge a bit. I'd be around people a little bit. And then I go back out again. And then - And then as things died down, as they did, you know, I started being around people like everybody else. I couldn't imagine going months without being around people.

2:35:38Well, the thing that was weird about it was I - you know, I'm not married. I was single. I didn't have a girlfriend at the time. So, like, I actually - No responsibility. True freedom. That's what made it weird. I didn't - I didn't - I couldn't imagine if I had a girlfriend at the time. We just said, OK, we're going to isolate together. And now you're just - With your significant other. Here I was, OK, I'm going to isolate. And I don't have a significant other at the time. So it was like, actually, the first time where I've ever had this sort of self -imposed or whatever maybe it was imposed on us.

2:36:08You know, or - Or I took - I took the - I took it as an opportunity to be by myself and go make videos in the desert. And go to these really crazy remote places. And I would seek out places where there wasn't going to be other vans and other people. But when you were out in the desert, a lot of times you'd go to somewhere and there'd be other people out in their vans. And you'd hang out and have beers with people out in the desert and hang out. And then you'd go think of a more remote place. And I started discovering some amazing places like that, you know, the rabbit hole you go down when you, you know, COVID aside, isolation aside, just going out into the American Southwest in a - in a camper van that's self -sufficient is pretty wild.

2:36:48And you know, that's all the stuff that's out there. I mean, I think I probably talked about Chaco Canyon the last time I was here, because I think I'd just gone there in New Mexico, which is, you know, Pueblo Native American ruins of a - it's essentially like a - like a stone ruins of a city that was built in the year 875, 875, and it's like Machu Picchu level type city that they didn't even discover until the 1950s, because it was buried, and now they've, you know, and you're - and it's in this beautiful, it's on the Navajo Nation Reserve, you know, on that - on that Navajo land, and you feel this sort of, I felt sort of somewhat shocked, I guess, that there's all this stuff out there that you don't really hear talked about constantly, like I hear about Machu Picchu, somebody brings that up once a week.

2:37:43Nobody's ever brought up. How are you talking to? It brings up Machu Picchu once a week. I don't know, it just comes up a lot. People talk. It was probably you, I think. You know, you talk of pyramids and stuff. I rarely talk about the pyramids a lot, right? Yeah, I talk about the pyramids. Like Machu Picchu is pretty crazy. Talking about, you know, ancient cultures that have built these incredible structures, right? And right here in New Mexico, just up the road from here, you know, like 11 hour drive from here, right? You know, just outside of Albuquerque, Navajo Nation, there's a site, you know, it's a huge canyon completely empty, you know, in there.

2:38:16And so it's this realization that there was a civilization there that was, and they've studied this place quite extensively. In fact, Mike Judge, you know, from Beavison Butthead, his father, Mike Judge, grew up in New Mexico. I found this out after the fact. So I started looking up information about Chaco Canyon to try to learn a bit more about it. And his father, James Judges, his name was one of the predominant researchers of this particular archaeological site, right? Oh, wow. And so he wrote this book about it, and they dived, you know, he spent his life diving into details, yeah. That's fucking cool.

2:38:52Yeah, so I spent like, you know, a day there. And there was no one there with you? I was there with Charlie, yeah. And just you and Charlie. It was me and Charlie, and I shot a shot video. There's this video on my YouTube channel too. I was doing all this for my YouTube channel. I was really getting the filmmaking side of it. You know, I had my drone, I was going out and filming stuff. In all these, isn't it crazy? You just allowed to walk around there? Yeah, it's wild. And see that bottom left? See that sort of structure there? So that was a five -story building at one point. And you can go walking through there.

2:39:22And there's wood that they've used as beams that's still like within the petrified wood or whatever, it's within the stone. And you know, it's wood from the year 875 to 1100. It went like the people left there in 1100 because of a drought. Like they were gone before a Columbus, right? See the wood there? That's from between 875 and 1175 and whenever that was particularly built. And this area, they've done all these studies of this area. So they know like, they found Macaw feathers, speaking to my old pal Rex. They found Macaw feathers there. Macaws are from the furthest north as Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico.

2:40:06So they knew that people were coming from Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico up here to trade with them. And they found evidence of all these different things that sort of indicated that people were coming from as far north as Canada, as far south as South America, to come to this area. And that whole Chaco Canyon area, once you get in there, is like this, not to get all like, you know, voodoo about it, but you know when you talk, people talk about Sedona and there's the energy there, you feel this sort of, and it may be just because it's so beautiful and it's so quiet, and it's this natural kind of amphitheater where it's silent and the wind is deadened and you're just all alone and you're walking through this structure.

2:40:59I share the fascination that you have for the pyramids. I want to go there someday. I think it would be, well, if I could snap my fingers right now and just be somewhere, it would be the pyramids. I'd like to go to pyramids someday, I've never been there. So here's me walking through it with my camera. And so you're walking through this, you know, by yourself, and you're just going like, wow, like there was all this stuff going on here. And apparently they've determined this was like a meeting place for people from all over North America that would kind of come here and share information. They actually believe that there was, you know, sort of almost like a festival type atmosphere that would happen there where people come and trade and share information and all this stuff.

2:41:43Are there similar Native American construction sites like this? Yeah, so then you go down this rabbit hole and you realize that they're all over the place. So then there's many of them. There's these ones called the cliff dwellings. Which are, that one there is actually, this one here is actually later. That's post -Columbian this one. This was a Spanish probably, I think this one's built around 1500. This was a similar construction site. Yeah, exactly. It's amazing, right? When you look at it, they were building stuff in 800 before Europeans had come here using the same kind of building techniques as that.

2:42:24And it's weird when you're there, and you're touching it, and it's like solid and you're going, wow, that's actually. So they've got these cliff dwellings. There's lots of them where they've built into the cliffs of Colorado. Yeah, those are cliff dwellings. I went to one of those ones. There's one that's called the Gila, or a Hila National Forest. It's New Mexico. Yeah, it's right on the, yeah, it's up in the border. It's up in New Mexico, I think. Yeah, and that's a wild story there because it's a national park, you know. And, wow, look at that. Caves. So you go walk around there, and that one, there were a couple people walking around.

2:43:02They drive down. There's a, you know, people walking around. Did they dig these caves? Or these caves always exist? They're natural caves that they've kind of, sort of, utilized as, you know, they built the walls up around the bottom of it. Yeah, they've done something to it, right? And so this place is wild. And the stories you pick up when you go to these places, because then you go down the rabbit hole, you start reading about it, and you go, wow, this is, I never knew about this. They didn't just, they, no, American had ever been there until the mid 1800s, because it was a patchy territory.

2:43:36And if you went there, the patchy, you know, would kill you before 18, whatever it was. I forget the date, but it was like, you know, the 1700s, early 1800s. Look at the writings on the wall. And this place, I haven't been to this place yet, but I want to go here. And, and yeah, you talk about, like, when you start thinking about, you know, UFOs and stuff. You look at some of these petroglyphs, and you go, what's, that's that? There's a lot of petroglyphs out there too. What's that, that's kind of like a spaceship or something, you know? But, so that's, honestly, the real reason I was out there in the van by myself so long was because I got addicted to it.

2:44:12I mean, I was just, and that's actually kind of why I ended up moving. I was like, I love being out here alone by myself with my van and my camera so much. I want to live in the country again. And how did you find the spot in Canada? Where's the spot? I got kind of lucky. I just kind of, I, I, I just honestly just started looking on the internet, you know? Just like looking at real estate listings and I started, you know, looking for a farm near my hometown. And, and I just kept looking and searching every day. And I was lucky that it just kind of fell on my lap right at the right place, right time.

2:44:44My house sold in LA, you know, immediately. And I was, I drove back and that place, I put in an offer and I got it. And it just, it just all worked out and it all worked out. And how long you've been out there now? Becoming up on three years in July. So it looks like you're having fun. I love videos. The videos of you online are very interesting. I'm like, look at Tom Green. I'm enjoying it. I'm living in the woods by himself. It's like, there's a lot to do that is stuff that falls outside of anything that would fall under the category of what I would consider to be work, right. But it is work, but it's different work.

2:45:23It's like, I gotta feed the chickens or we built a fence this year for the, for the, for the mule and the donkey. So it's this patent rail fence, you know, that is made out of cedar that is literally these hundred -year -old cedar rail fences that are on the property that have fallen down in the woods and, you know, have gone by the, not used anymore. And we went back with a fence builder, you know, and everybody out there is, you know, in the countries, the guy whose family is traditional fence builders who's grandfather built these fences. We went salvaged all this wood and then built new fences out of them.

2:46:02Oh, that's cool. And so you're kinda, you know, it's nice to find something to do that is a, you're outside. You're gonna exercise. And you feel like you're actually doing something. You feel like you're doing something. And it's the first time I said this earlier, I'm never gonna leave this place. Like it's the first time I've ever lived somewhere where I know I'm never gonna sell it and leave. So every step of my life is like everyone, as you're growing up, you've got your first apartment. You know, how long am I gonna be here? Till I move here. How long am I gonna be here? So now I'm just kinda like, now I just do my head.

2:46:38I have like, oh, I'd look to maybe build a log cabin someday on the back woods, you know? So that's sort of one thing I'm kinda thinking about. How I wanna build a log cabin. Like the way the, you know, the house itself that I'm in was built in 1857. And it's a log house. So then you can see the photos of the house. There's, yeah, there's, on my YouTube channel, there's a tour of the house. I haven't really, there's not a full tour, but I think if you can see some of the logs on the YouTube channel, I did a couple little sort of sample podcasts where you can see the wood in the background. That's fucking dope.

2:47:16This was just, this was last week. We lived in a log house from the 1800s of the wood burning stove behind you. That's amazing. Yeah, and yeah, so it's like, and it's interesting. So, you know, you start to realize, you know, I'm Doomsday prepping in the van. You know, like, oh, I could be self -sufficient in this van. Well, I also, you know, and again, it's fun, but it's also kind of very functional. I have unlimited fuel, okay? Because there's wood falling in the forest forever. And every summer you can go out and you've got a wood splitter, right? Like a, it's a, you know, gas -powered wood splitter.

2:47:52And you, you know, you chainsaw up the logs, you drop them in, the wood splitter splits them. And it's sort of an efficient way of getting firewood, basically. So, they'll never run out of wood out there. The house has actually got propane sort of a furnace as well. So, it runs on propane and the propane truck comes every, you know. There's no natural gas or anything running into the house to heat it. So, you have a propane truck comes every couple of months and fills up this propane tank in the winter. But, you know, if, oh shit, you know, shit hits the fan and the propane truck doesn't show up.

2:48:25You know, you can still heat the house fully with wood. There's two wood stoves. Do you have solar? I have solar. There's a solar system that was there actually that, but it doesn't actually not actually connect it to the house, but it's connected to the grid. And it's actually selling energy back to the power company. But not to you. Not to me. You know, it's a, it's a... What kind of scam is that? Well, it's paying me. It pays me. Yeah, I get paid. It pays you to not be self -sufficient. To not be connected. Well, I know we have shit hits the fan. I can unhook it and plug it into the lights.

2:48:55Yeah, yeah, I could. And I actually know I have lots of solar though outside of that system. I have a... I have a... Actually, you know, the van has solar panels on the roof. And there's... That's for electronics. It's for electronics, yeah. And you can't really use solar for... I've learned all this from the van. So I work with these guys who've been really cool battle -borne batteries. They're called. And they are... Make these batteries. Lithium batteries, right? They make them for boats. They make them for... Now, off -grid houses. And so I have like a couple of bunkies. You know, like the one I built and one that we kind of set up.

2:49:34It's like a prefabricated building that we put back in the woods. And with the wood stove in it. And, you know, this trailer that I have solar panels on that butterfly out, that I can take anywhere in the property, which has these battle -borne batteries in it. It's constantly charging. So I do have some solar... And the barn as well. So the barn I have... And these guys help me set this up. It's really cool. I mean, I jokingly say the podcast that I'm going to do and the barn is going to be... I'm sure it isn't, but I'm saying it's the first solar -powered barn cast. Okay. It might be. Maybe.

2:50:10I don't know if there's one. But it's like... Because the barn has no power running to it. It's off -grid. But we have... You know, it's 200 yards from the house. But we've up in the loft. Got this battery, lithium battery array, solar panels that charge the batteries. And then up in there, I can run on my cameras, lights. Oh, wow. Everything. And... Don't the batteries degrade on those things? Like solar panels? So lithium batteries have a really good life to them. But they eventually degrade. Yeah, it might be 10 years or something like that. I'm not sure. But it's the... That's the lithium batteries.

2:50:48It's kind of newer tech. Like it's like... That was the thing that kind of... You know, when COVID happened, I want to get a van and go in the desert. So then I figured out who was making these vans.

2:51:08And then I found out about the battery systems. And then I was like, oh, you just have a regular plug in the van. You can plug in your camera charger, camera batteries. You can run your laptop. You can phone your... Charge your phone indefinitely. And you know, spending, you know, so many years of my life running around making goofy videos. You know, when we were doing the Tom Green show and stuff, you know, you'd go on the road and then you have to go back to the hotel at night to charge your camera batteries, right? The idea that you can go into the middle of desert and just film indefinitely and charge your camera batteries because the sun is recharging these batteries constantly.

2:51:42It's pretty dope. It was dope. I built a recording studio in the van. It was making music and beats out there and just kind of getting into it. But so it's... How long did it take before you felt comfortable around people again? I was ready to get around people again. Pretty much, you know, I was... I mean, you know, it's funny. After I came on the show last time and we talked about this.

2:52:13Like, there's a general perception in the world all of a sudden that I was living in my van. Okay, which I wasn't actually living in. I might have been responsible for that perception. No, it's hilarious. Like, okay, like, oh, I heard you're living in a van now. People would say to me, I'm like, no, I'm living in a van. I'm going camping and making videos in the desert. Oh, but you were living in a van. Yeah, I was... You just had the ability to live in a very nice house. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that wasn't actually... It's not like you're a loser. No, it was funny though. But it was... I mean, I'd hope.

2:52:39I mean, sometimes, you know, you think you are and you're going, oh, am I a loser? But like, people would sort of say it to me... Like they were sad. Like, they were sad. Oh, I heard you're living in a van now. Because you could be... Like, most people don't live in a van on purpose. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it was kind of like the Chris Farley sketch, right? I'm living in the van down by the river. And it was funny how... I mean, again, the power of social media and the size of your audience. You know, it permeated out there pretty big. That, like, pretty much... Everybody I meet thinks I'm living in a van down by the river now.

2:53:15So... Well, that's like how we describe Hans Kim. Hans Kim used to be living in a van. Like, look at him now. No one goes from, you know, Tom Green to live in a van. Unless things have gone horribly wrong, except you. You did it on purpose. And it was really driven by the fact that... This power system allows me to go make videos in weird places and stay there. You know, like, these places, Chaco Canyon, it's not easy to get there. I mean, it's easy enough. I mean, two and a half hours out of... No, maybe it was more than that out of Albuquerque. I forget the distance, but it was quite the drive.

2:53:49And you're driving through... It's not on a direct route to anything. And then once you get to the perimeter of it, really bad dirt road that you got to go down is not maintained properly. I suspect that in some ways it almost feels suspicious. That, like, do they want to keep people out of here for some reason? Why? It's not talked about more. I mean, I sort of discuss this a little bit on the video. Like, it seems strange that it's not more celebrated by, you know, our society, that there's stuff out there like that. That's just... It's incredible and amazing and beautiful. It doesn't have a good publicist.

2:54:18That's how it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because there's certain things that have, like, Machu Picchu. Yeah. This is a great publicist. Yeah, I think it forces people to confront the idea that, you know, what happened to the Native Americans in this country too? And in North American Canada, you know, like... Well, not in that. We weren't that nice to them. Where are we so? So it makes us have to think about what happened. But you were just saying that that place was abandoned in the 1100s. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that has nothing to do with it. Sure. But just in general, just talking about pre -European, not now, right?

2:54:46But, you know, I think there was probably a period of time when, you know, they were settling Europeans, not just America, Canada too, right? Settling North America, where they didn't really want to acknowledge that there was civilization here before. You know, it was more like they were, you know... Eminent domain. Yeah. Yeah. They were trying to claim it. Yeah, for sure. I think there's definitely that. There's a guilt attached to the way people feel about Native Americans. And also, just the understanding of what a reservation is. You push them into this area that sucks and force them to live there.

2:55:25And all of their traditional land is gone. Yeah. It's all but absorbed by these people that just got here a couple hundred years ago. Which is nuts. Yeah. It's so hard to imagine how different this place we're sitting in right now was just 200 years ago. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they find these all over the place. A friend of mine has a ranch out here. A ranch out here. Oh, wow. That's a real Comanche Hourhead. Wow. That's a big one, too. That's probably something they used to shoot a large animal with. Wow. That's probably elk. They had elk out here. They used to have elk were in like most states.

2:56:03They had always a lot of deer out here. A lot of different animals. But that's a big ass arrow. Yeah. See, and it's like... Because there's some small ones too that they find. They find real tiny ones. They might have used for like small game birds and things like that. But that's a big fucker. Yeah. I personally, the second I touched this, I felt sort of a sense of kind of, you know, shivers. Wow, right? Yeah. I feel like... And maybe it's my mind just thinking about the history of it. But there's people talk about energy. And I was like, is it... And when you see here people say when they go to Sedona, the energy, there's amazing.

2:56:38And I'm like, what are you talking about the energy, right? But then when you go to these places, is it because you're just alone and you're relaxed and you're thinking about it so much? But it's like you touch this and you go, well, you think somebody actually like carved this. Somebody made this and then they survived with this. Like however many thousand years ago or whatever and you go, well, that's incredible. You know, they napped that thing and made it sharp and they did all these crazy techniques that they had learned how to make these fucking things. And then they hunted with it. And these people lived here forever until these Europeans just came in like a wave of locusts.

2:57:13Yeah. Yeah. And so that's... The battery system allows you, you know, the van and the self -sufficiency of it. Because normally if you drove there, let's say you drive six hours to get somewhere, right? Right. And then the sun's going down and there's no hotels nearby and there's enough... So you're going to... You've got a camp on a tent or something. So then it's like not comfortable and you don't have a... Right. You're any van? Yeah. So now you can drive there and stay for a while. And then it's like a dip... Yeah, it's a different experience because now you're waking up to the sunrise over...

2:57:50That. ...and making coffee by yourself. Thank God you did run into like the Manson family or something out there. I had a few moments of... Did you? Wacky people? I had a few moments of... I don't know if they were wacky people but your mind starts telling you that you got to be careful. You know, like there was a moment... You know, there was a moment out in the desert where I, you know, was all alone out there and a truck... So it's on the Mexican border actually. And trucks coming from Mexico towards me. And there's... You know, there's signs out in the desert when you get to this... This was actually in the Arizona, Mexico border.

2:58:27This place called the Cabiza Prieto Wilderness Area, which is a decommissioned section of the former Barry F. Goldwater Air Force -based test range where they would test bombs in World War II, right? And it's like really beautiful. Like the cactuses and... You want a cigar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I bet you that's a good one too. I'm sure you wouldn't be smoking some with your sweets or something like that. It's not a century Sam or Philly's Blunt. What are they? It's a company called Foundation Cigars. They actually made us our own cigar. It's got a J .R .y logo on it. Nice. They're really good though.

2:59:07I would go down. It's like this company, but it's actually my man Nick from Foundation really knows cigars and the whole deal goes down to... Oh my God. Nicaragua. Later as well? Yes, sir. You know, it works. Push down on that black thing. Yeah, there you go.

2:59:30So what was the most sketchy of encounters while you're out there doing that van life?

2:59:40Well, you got it. You'll it. What was the sketchiest? There was never anything where I actually was in danger, but there was the feeling of being in danger. Well, actually it might have been in danger. It was definitely a feeling of being in danger. So the van's coming up to you. Yeah, it was like a truck. You're in the van. And there was like, you know, I could write it off in my head if I'm trying to be, you know, positive. They were hunters, but they, you know, they didn't necessarily look like hunters to me. They were not in hunting gear, but they all had guns. But they were rifles. They weren't like, you know, assault rifles.

3:00:19They were hunting rifles. And so they could have been hunting. There was four guys and they, you know, they were openly brandishing their rifle. No, they were sitting all four of them. This is what was weird for them. I mean, they were probably hunters. They were probably going hunting. But they were sitting like this and they were sitting like this and their rifles were standing. They were holding their rifles like that. So I kind of assumed that they were going around looking for a deer or something like that. But it was, you know, when you're all alone out there and you see a truck coming towards you and there's no one around, nobody's going to hear anything.

3:00:54You know, you get nervous. So I did get in the van and I locked the door and I'm in the van and looking out of the van and they pulled up by the van and they're looking at my van and I see the guns and the van and I'm like, okay, this is... Are they speaking Spanish? Well, they were, you know, they were, you know, whatever, 50 feet, 100 feet away. Do you hear any words at all? No, no. I was locked in the van, you know, hiding. I was hiding in the van. It just turned 50 years old. So they never got close to you? No, no. Then they drove away. But there's this sort of, you know, five minutes of watching the truck get closer.

3:01:26And so you go to the Kabiza Prieta wilderness area and it's along the Arizona, Mexico border and, you know, what the border is like. So, you know, there's a lot of, you know, human trafficking and drug smuggling going on there and as well as immigration going on there and people coming across the border illegally and all the stuff. And so there was actually a sign when you drive in there that says danger. Human smuggling, drug smuggling, do not travel alone, okay? So I still go because I'm with Charlie, right? So I'm cool. But so I, you know, but the sign I got picture of the size was kind of interesting, but it's also.

3:02:00Is that sign on your Instagram? Probably is, y 'all for sure it is. Yeah, if you scroll back to, if you scroll back to whatever that was three years ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, danger, human smuggling, drugs muggling, do not travel alone, right? So I, of course, stupidly go out there and I'm camping out there for a week. But then you haven't seen anybody for five days, you know, and you're out there making videos and making, you know, ambient music, you know, drinking beer. I have a fridge in there, a nice fridge in the fan too. So I got beer, I got, you know, some whiskey and just having a good time out there, you know, making music by myself.

3:02:35And streaming, like some, not always, but sometimes you'd have like internet, you know. So you'd stream, you know, that was sort of a connection with the world, you know, streaming live from the middle of fucking nowhere, the world's so crazy now, and making beats in the middle of nowhere. But, yeah, so that was, that was, you know, those moment where you're going, like, maybe I should shouldn't be here by myself. And, and that was actually when I, that was actually what that moment was actually what kind of, actually tell the story when I do stand up. So I'm trying not to make it a bit here because sometimes, you know, I don't want to do my bit, but like I say, I do kind of incorporate it into my stand up sometimes because it's, I tell stories about this stuff.

3:03:20But I ended up, it was what in sort of spawned, I mean, I went back, I went back to LA and I bought a gun the next day. I'd never owned it, I didn't had no one to gun since I was 21 years old. I had a 22 when I was like 24 years old, I had no one to gun the whole time, I was in LA. I was going out in the desert by myself, feeling vulnerable by myself out there. Yeah. So I went back to LA and I went to, especially for dudes with rifles. Yeah. And so then I went back. Yeah, there it is. The washing, illegal entry, drugs, smuggling activities are common within the refuge. Be aware of your surroundings, not travel alone or approach suspicious people or activities.

3:03:59Holy shit. Yeah. U .S. Fish and Wildlife Service. This is probably a department of the interior. It's probably Bureau of Land Management. Land has a lot of the land out there too. That's a scary. And you realize how big it is. Like, you know, it's one thing, you know, you hear about, you know, in this close to the cities where this happened going. But when you go to these remote areas, right? And you're just, yeah, that's it. That was it. That was it. That was the week I was there. That was the right one that happened. It was just nothing out there. Yeah. So I went back to Burbank, went down to Guns Plus and picked up a 357 Magnum and Benelli Montefeltro Silver Shot Gun.

3:04:31And got my hunting license and went quail hunting. Why would you get a 357 Magnum? I got six shots. I got the seven shot. Oh, nice. Because I thought that would be better to have one more. No, honestly, I just, I honestly didn't really actually think about it. No, I didn't know I did think about it. I just didn't honestly think that I would ever have to use it to be honest with you. I just like that gun. Oh. I just think it's a beautiful looking gun. Well, it's better to have that gun than no gun. Yeah. Yeah. And I also thought, honestly, though, I actually haven't had another answer to you because I was going to lots of places with bears.

3:05:06Oh. And so I figured it would be good protection for bears too because I was going up into like the, you know, places in New Mexico where there's bears. Mm -hmm. And I go hiking by myself and, you know, you want to lug a shotgun around with you all the time. Right. So, you know, I'd sometimes bring that, you know, in Arizona and stuff. That's smart. But, but also, I mean, you know, it's honestly just kind of, I don't know, it's just beautiful gun. It is. Yes. It's a classic. Yeah. I like that. I love that gun. Something about a revolver too. Yeah. Was that we'll spend old -timey style? Yeah. Yeah.

3:05:40Absolutely. And there was sort of a sense of being out there on the range, you know, I like classic looking guns. Like, now I have lever action. I've been collecting Henry rifle. I have a new Henry 22. I've got a couple of vintage. I've got just picked up a, like I like getting sort of vintage. I've just five or six rifles. And I've just sort of found myself quite interested in it, you know, like a, I've got an old Savage 99, you know, 1970s, 308, you know, it's like the wood, you know, the old guns, the wood on it, you know, it feels like real. And it's, all the newer stuff is more, you know, plastic and stuff.

3:06:20A lot of carbon fiber. Yeah. Yeah. So I like them as wood, you know, you know. I've got to get you hunting up there. I would love to go. Be your own food. I would love to go at some point with somebody that knows what they're doing. And I live some friends that really want to take me out next year. Oh, go with them. Yeah. Local guys. Yeah, local guys, yeah. Yeah. I bet you have a shed ton of deer up there, dude. There's a lot of deer at my place. Yeah. You can see them. You can see them on my trail cam video with the, with the one deer you eat it for three months. Yeah. Feel the freezer. Feel the freezer with it.

3:06:48One deer. You're eating it for months. You know, shoot elk six months. I see your elk on Instagram and I go, man, that looks good. So much meat. Yeah. So good too. So good for you. I give it away. Give it away to a lot of my friends. Yeah, it looks good. It's such a good thing to have. There's not a lot of elk near me. There are elk, but like they're rare. Like you don't see them in Ontario that much. Do you hear them? Do you hear them ever in the... Moose. Moose. Yeah. I've seen a moose once near my place. But deer all the time. They're everywhere. Well, listen, Tom Green. I'm super excited that you're at the comedy club, the comedy mother ship this weekend.

3:07:24It's a honor to be there, man. It's always good to hang out with you and talk to you, and I can't thank you enough because being on your show in 2007 really was a big part of the inspiration to do this. And I'm going to say you were a pioneer man. You were out... You had figured it out before anybody. You had a full internet talk show running from your house. And when you had me as a guest on, it changed the course of my life. Because it really did. Because it really was like, I remember like light bulbs just going off, man. Like, why don't I do this? Why don't I do it? I didn't have the money to do this.

3:07:57You know? So I did... You did it off of the laptop. It was like the idea came out of you, man. I just think it's the coolest thing that you show that out and say that to me. Because I appreciate it. Because it's like, when you came to do the show, I was stoked that you were coming to do the show. Well, you know, that was you. I'm doing my little web show and you came up and did the show. I was... We had done a couple things already, right? Like, we did that celebrity pool show. Remember that? Yeah. That was just kind of a... One of those. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun, yeah. And we did a bunch of stuff.

3:08:33Yeah. And I'd always seen you around. But there it is. Yeah. Bro, it was like 2007. Yeah. We were drinking beer. This guy's got it nailed. We're on the internet. This is incredible. I was so happy. I was like, this is how to do it. Look how bad the video was back then. The kid was drinking with us online. You know what's fun about that? It's like... So that's Skype. We're taking calls on Skype. And so we kind of... I had some real good guys working for me. I had my Jamie there. It was like really... You never had a Jamie bitch. Yeah. We were trying to build stuff. You know? You guys had a whole server room.

3:09:11I remember walking to your server room. This is crazy. I feel like I'm at like some big corporation. Where those lights are going off. And I'm like... So this is wild. So there's a microwave antenna on the roof of the house. So that was the way we were able to stream. Because back then you had to get like bonded T1 lines or something like that. Yeah. Which were expensive, right? I had a little bit of monetization. Not much. But... You were working with a company out of Denver. Yeah, yeah. They were kind of the first people that I saw streaming. So I was like, how's that work? So I called them and then...

3:09:39So we had a little like a very small budget. But enough to get... Never happened to those guys. They just kind of... I'm not sure actually. I don't know. I'm not sure. But they were interesting guys. And so I basically started with them. And then I went off on my own. Well listen, I'm glad you're going to do another one. Because you're a very compelling and interesting person. And you always have a really good perspective. And you've let a fucking wild ass life. And... And I appreciate you. Thank you. So thanks for being here, brother. Thanks, Tom. And I think the shows are all sold out this weekend.

3:10:08So tough shit motherfuckers. But sometimes even if the club does sell out, we have a sign. Like a neon sign. There's tickets available now. What happens is sometimes people can't make it. Baby sitter cancels. Who knows? But every now and then even on sold out shows. There's tickets available. So if you go to the box office, maybe get lucky. Okay. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Tom Green. You're the fucking man. Oh, Instagram. What is it? Is it just Tom Green? Yeah. Tom Green live. Yeah. I was going to check out my YouTube channel. YouTube's flash time. I'm going to put a lot of stuff up on there now, which is kind of a little...

3:10:38And then Tom Green on Instagram. Tom Green live on Twitter and X and... Yeah. That's all the spots. TikTok. And I'm shooting a special. Actually, I'm shooting a special for Amazon Prime. Stand up special. And... Where are you doing that? Well, I'm going to do... I'm going to shoot it in Ottawa. But I'm also doing a tour in April. So I'm going through... I'm going to be in Cleveland. I'm going to be Lexington, Kentucky. Louisville. Detroit. All over Michigan. You know, helium and Philly and a lot of the spots. So you can go check out my tour and I'm going to film the whole tour too. And I'm going to kind of cut it together into a bunch of...

3:11:11Nice. Stand up. Beautiful. And Taj. So, yeah. Thanks, Joe. Well, I'm excited. And I'm excited to see this weekend. Okay. That's it. Goodbye. Thank you.

3:11:32Thank you.