#2116 - Kevin James

34:41Yeah, you can get soft and still work right because they're not being tested They're not performed with other comics all the time Well, you see a lot of these guys now that are developing an act because they did something on Like Instagram. Oh, whatever. They developed these audiences that you know they get popular Yeah, and then they put together and act they go and the and the clubs are like well, let's put this guy up, you know Yeah, and They sell out like crazy because you know they they got a big following yeah, but it's not like working your stand up Man, it's a different game. Well, there's also a lot of guys who do crowd control Like they do crowd work stuff like it's like just fucking around with the crowd and that's most of these clips You're seeing a lot of guys who put up clips of cloud work because that way they don't have to the crowd work Because you don't have to burn your material just talking to the crowd right talk to them It's fine I can go bad it can go bad But if you do it enough and you get to get fun at moments, right?

35:39He'll like you can't take his a lot of great moments right? He's really good at it and you take those clips and that way You're putting shit up, but you're not burning any of your jokes the problem is some of those guys can only do that Shultz is a great comic like he could do great bits. He could do great. I mean he can do anything right Some of these guys are only good at talking to the audience And then when they have to do did you ever notice? The audience can feel the shift when I go back to my own material like you wrote this Yeah, what is this you whack ass bullshit even thinking about all day You know you're you're better off responding like there's there's certain guys that like their thing is really just talking to the crowd And that's that's a different thing.

36:21It's great thing. It's really great when someone's funny at it But it's also a different thing than the actual jokes see I I fear that like I don't like doing that like so I've built my act with the the the speed of it that it like no one has the chance to get in and ask a quet or Heck all the right or you know you build this shell around you so like it's just not enough time you can't even get it in So if someone says something it's like you're off that you know Because I don't want to have to depend on doing that going what and stopping and then trying to get back to the bit that you were You know doing yeah, that you don't need that some people like it Some people like to interact with the crowd.

36:57It's just it's also it it's extra juice Right the audience realizes it's happening. It's real it is yeah This is crazy and then if you get a good one liners you know in the moment It's a great tool to have I wish I could you know it depends on what do you talk to the crowd at all? I do occasionally you have to and then at the comedy store you had to the comedy store you had to the comedy store For the longest time had zero crowd control they do a good job now of policing the room But back then there was it was comics that were the door people It was comics that seeded people was the comics that took the the the money at the cash register This comics working there and they're all like they didn't want to do that job So they were the worst bouncers right and nobody ever quieted the audience It's just you need to learn how to do it in the fire.

37:43You toughen up that way like you you build a you You understand how to go with the flow right you know and some but some people don't do that And they did not like the comedy store for that reason like they just go up there And they like to have a slow pace and do their bits and build that's me that's more me I would have been I was always afraid of the comedy store It's just when you go up Like if you know something like Adam Eget is who's brilliant at scheduling and really understands talent and where people go You just want to put them in the right place you don't want to put them after a music act right you know like that's the death That is absolutely the guy who has the funny songs right you're not far right you just see the guitar in the back and the guys Tuning it up and you're like oh no when she on and he's like he's on next then you're up then you know No, the guy with the guitar always ruin the show They always killed they would kill and you could follow him yep.

38:41Yeah Musical acts rap anybody could do a rap remember red Johnny in the round guy. Oh, yeah Those guys would do that rap you're done. It was the show was over bit you she them go you I'm getting my car. I'm leaving. I'll see you later I go I'm not there's no need for me to be here. It's crazy how like I like a song or It's like a funny song. Yeah, it tops everything. Yeah, the real is that guy that used to be on dr. Demento There was that guy that used to have dirty songs back in the day And he was famous he would tour around with dirty songs john valby. Yes Thank you. Yes that guy remember that guy dr.

39:18Dirty dr. Dirty. Yeah, that's right. He would light up a room You light up a room. Yeah, you're not going on after no you're it's over and everybody knew who he was and you would hear his songs on like dr Demento yeah, like late night on the radio. Yeah, you hear his songs. Yeah, he would tour and do just dirty blowjob songs and everybody go Yeah, I had a business man and I'm going up there talking about puppies afterwards. Hey you guys ever Have a loser keys And you're searching like this guy's talking about getting a blowjob where you're taking a shit It's he was just like but he had that following of people that would just come to see just those songs So they would hear the same songs over and over again.

40:00I loved it right. Yes. That's another thing. Yes, like dice had that like dice You know, he's doing rhymes and the audience wanted to hear those rhymes. What's in the bow bitch? Oh You don't have to write as much. It's great right you you know But you're gonna get bored like you know, like you said you ever see that kinesan song about the beach boys All right kinesan bit kinesan had a bit about the beach boys about like you know Imagine them 35 years later singing the song Same fucking song like not wanting to be there anymore. Yeah, it's just not the same experience. That's tough Yeah, yeah, you want you want to build new stuff the new stuff is scary, but It's so excited.

40:42I mean I've found like it's I'd never really worked my act like when when I started doing the show and And getting involved with that my stand up the writing and all that I would still go to like Vegas with Ray to do it on a weekend, but I wasn't working my stuff. I wasn't a comedian You know, I'm saying right you got a really you know and I felt that you know You're delivering the same act year after year kind of changing here a little bit here and there and then you're going out and Doing it and it was like it was bothering me so much I hated my act I couldn't stand doing it anymore and didn't have time to write that much So like a few years back.

41:17I just stopped and said I love stand up so much like I just want to start and really get into it And I tell you it's it's the most time did you take off of it? I wasn't really off. It was just like I would keep it going, but just doing shows no writing like I really Was writing for years just doing this yeah, I mean if something funny hit me I would write it down, but not not working it's not writing. It's so hard when you do a television show You know and when I was doing news radio I fell into a real Like a spot over a period at least a year where I wasn't writing at all. I didn't do any new jokes I had the same tired ass jokes you were we I remember jumping in your supra and Head into the comedy store like you would go up a lot you would still do things there No, yeah, but that maybe that was a different time.

42:08That was when I started out of it. Okay, so there was a period There was a period when I first moved there in like 94 where We were working like 16 hours a day and I was tired all the time and I would just show up at the club and do my set and then go and I was just doing it Because I was still a comment. Yeah, I was like in my head. That's what I felt like I was doing I'm a head. I was always like they're gonna realize I'm not an actor. I'm gonna get fired This is this is the last TV show I ever work. I almost got fired from the first show I ever got Was on right where I was a star of the show hard bull.

42:40Yeah, I almost got fired from that. I remember that one Cuz I was I was getting an arguing with the producer they hired some new producer and he wrote these terrible lines I was like this is insane like this is so bad. It's insane and they were gonna fire me. You didn't stop like it man I was like this great Well the thing is the guys who wrote the original show were brilliant They wrote for married with children they wrote for the Simpsons right and Jeff Martin Kevin current and when they had their show the pilot was their show like Jim Brewer was the mascot I remember that it was fun. Yeah Mike star from Goodfathers was in it I mean it was a Bruce Greenwood the guy that went on to be the in the Star Trek movies He's guys have been in everything he was in hardball.

43:20I remember the good of your tapings man. It was so much fun They were gonna fire me because I was like this terrible I love so they they hired a new producer the new producer came in and took over and turned it into like the Sloppyest most obvious Terrible sitcom like that Prototypical sitcom where you watch and you go oh he's got to get out of the room the jokes are so goddamn obvious And they want to fire in him, but it was between me and him And so it literally got down to this thing where my you know they're calling my agent saying this kid is ruining his career That's like oh no I'm ruining my career.

43:55So I always thought that eventually they're gonna figure out right that I've not built for this This is not my thing and so when I would show up on on the set of News radio it's like it's like at any moment in time they're gonna figure out that I'm not supposed to be here But we were working because you didn't want of though. I thought you were funny as hell in that stuff You didn't like it you didn't your insure didn't have an any experience about actors didn't know how to hang around with them I was so used to comics Right so for me it was like fighters and then comics right so it's just crazy people Yeah, it was just only around crazy people So I was around normal people or people that were like really sensitive like really really sensitive Like sensitive on purpose like where they're trying to be offended by things that's sitcom people and you know when you get into that Oh, it's exhausting.

44:48That's hilarious. It was exhausting and you'd always hear about tyrants You'd always hear about like the Brett Butler's and the people that would scream and throw coffee in the face of the writers No, the news radio was that bet like those guys were oh, there's none of that right. No, no, no, that was a party Did the writers were great? It was totally different kind of experience, right? But What was my point my point was it what was my point You were saying that Thought I was getting your fire. Yeah, you wasn't feel like it wasn't for you. You thought they're gonna find you out Oh, so I had to just do stand up just to prove that I was still a comic because I remember at one point time the producer of news radio said to me I was like why are you still doing stand -up?

45:26You're an actor now. Oh, no, I was like oh no, I gotta get out of here I was literally thinking like changing like a trap changing you it's right trap and then um I had one really bad set one night in front of one of the producers One of the writers Shit or whatever this door like late at night at like 1 a .m. In the main room and just How to terrible set just bombed and then I really got to work after that that I really like oh I've been slacking off. That's what I felt man I've been slacking up because I've been working 16 hour days And I use it as an excuse to not write and then from then on like everything got way better like way better My my stand -up I dialed it in much more.

46:11How do you write? How do you do you are you the guy sitting down every I mean I sit down in front of a computer and I just write I just I don't write like this is exactly how I'm gonna say it I just like spill my thoughts out because I feel like it takes me a lot longer to Write the words that it does for me to think about things So the more time that I'm actually just writing the words is extra time thinking about the thing we can talk to a computer do you talk it now? I just type really yeah type and I just whatever the subject is I'll like there's just one subject that I'm doing right now or I've written it Written about the subject four times so I start a whole new Microsoft Word file four times and just completely revisit it Just one more time what program of using because I'm not just answer.

46:59I just use my stuff word and I go into There's um focus mode Have you seen focus mode? Yeah, so you see use everything else out. Yeah, I used to use right room. I'll still use right room I did scrivener. I like I use Krivener. Yeah But I'll find one thing about it and then I'll go I don't like this that it does sets my bits up this way Or I can't do this or can't transfer that and then I'll spend the whole day Looking up for apps for the perfect app and I'm not and I'm not writing. Yeah, it's jacked. Do you sell of course? Of course. Yeah I try to avoid that But scrivener what I do it scrivener is I make each individual bit once I have it kind of boiled down Then I put it in the columns So with the way scrivener set up, you know, whatever the subject is I love scrivener the only thing it didn't do it didn't Transfer transfer to my phone or or the other you know what like when I'm at a gig right and I want to look it up quick You have to go to like a drop box or like that, you know It was like it was annoying.

47:56I go I can't I need it right away. Yeah, that's where notes on iPhone is the best the best the problem with notes You ready for this I got it all yeah, you can't categorize you can it either goes alphabetical So if you have your bits I like seeing my bits on the side where I go I can't working on this and be able to move them anywhere you want you can right because it'll fall into that that kind of screws me up That's true that you can't keep it in order That's the only thing about it then I'm off that one and I'm looking five more hours I'm looking for other apps right because if you have a folder in your notes and Then you open up that folder and edit any one of those things any one of those subgenres it'll move to the top Yes, because that's the newest one now.

48:34Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's not that's that should be an option But he should make a Just for stand up for for one of those things. I would love it. I would love it Most comics don't use them most comics just write things down like you ever see Mark Norman stack. No, it's crazy He's got a stack like a fucking like a phone book like that thick of index cards and napkins That he keeps in his pocket and he's so crazy like you try to read it you like it's literally like an insane person Yeah, you like because he's already Yeah, yeah, and there's no order to them. There's just stacks. I mean he might how many how many do you have in his pocket 150?

49:14Easy Easy 200 200 index cards. Where do you and his pocket you go? How do you go? Here's what I'm gonna do tonight card 167 to one no, it's a It's a window into the madness Yeah, the brilliance of his comedy. It's just all I remember Richard Lewis would would throw out I mean like there'd be a piano up there and he threw out like a scroll of like it was like just You know legal pads of paper and like crazy stuff all over set it all up and it's like he was a little nuts He was nuts with that. Yeah, that was also part of his thing right. There's Norman's look at Norman stack Look at that look at that what yeah I can't believe you carry this around with you 90 % of that get a bad back I'm worried it was back Well, you you can't get a bad back from that a lot of it's like sitting on a fat wallet exactly Taxi drivers if they have too much shit in their wallet you'll you'll have a little bit of a lean.

50:14I could get a bulge in your back I could never do it. I can never I don't even know what I need to have it organized Yeah, it's just yeah, you were always an organized guy like even back in the day I admire that I think that's a very important thing that some comics Feel like they don't have to do and you don't have to do it some of the greats don't write anything down Don't get me wrong But I feel like when I write if I just physically write there's jokes that I will get that I won't get if I don't physically write and not a few of them Like a lot of them like some of my best bits ever came from sitting down and writing do you find If you write the bit out physically write it out that you will remember it better to Or in my hand.

50:56Yeah, if you write it by hand you remember it better. That's proven So if I do an arena I got this from you by the way I got this from you because I'm not doing it. No, no, no, no, this is this is what I got from you Because I didn't have a rider because I'm lazy so when I would go do theaters They would just use Kevin James rider So when I would because we have to say manager. Yeah, so we the same manager. I was like which shimmy Like you see that yeah, it was like all normal stuff and like whatever like maybe I added whiskey to it or whatever it was But one thing you had was index cards Yeah, and Sharpies.

51:32I was like oh, that's a great idea So every time I do an arena now I set up index cards and I will get there an hour early and write out all my bits Write out all like the the key points of the bits all the things I want to talk about and set that there and then next bit Set that there and so I have this coffee table and I've got all these things that index cards. Why don't you do a problem? Something like that you don't want to do a problem. No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't need that though. I'm fine Once I once I write it all out. I'm in doing it every night. I know every night It's like I just like to do that as an extra little detail Just an extra little just just really dotting all your eyes and crossing all your teeth.

52:14I feel good when I get it I don't know if it's I'm losing my memory or you know, whatever it but it's like I need a I need bullet points up there It's let me get you some of this. Do you take any? Utropics I take nothing. Okay. This is what you're gonna get I'm gonna give you this just take this one and I'll get you some more. I'll send you some more that's alpha brain That's uh on really feeling the black label alpha brain. That is the the top of the food chain alpha brain the strongest one Am I gonna see unicorns? No, no, no, no, no, no It's just it helps memory. It's really good for memory and it's really good for Focus, it's just it gives you like a little extra juice Mentally now if you're more on you're not gonna notice it like you I try Fucking shit Trust me as someone who makes a living using his brain There's certain things that you can take that are not bad for you that are just nutrients that enhance brain function You know another one is creatine Creatines okay.

53:11Yeah, it's okay to do that. Oh, yeah, yeah creatine is very safe creatine is one of the safest supplements It's also uh, what does that do though? It gives you it's well and adds water to your body your your body has more And that's one of the functions of it And it's one of the reasons why me it makes your muscles look bigger it makes you stronger It really does work as a like a fitness supplement like is it like if you're training lifting weights creatine is one of the Very best things you can take creatine. I would say beta aligning. That's another one But I got I got to give you this thing that wide men gave me these herbal pills Completely natural.

53:47He gave me we're playing golf in I think I'm gonna land out or whatever it was with DC Kormier was there was just the three of us went out and I was you know I get up in the morning my back is killing me my everything my joints are hurting. I I get to the course, you know you walk around hills up and down all day You know, I'm like I'm gonna be so gone in this thing and why been says take a couple of these you know pills You guys have got these things are completely herbal and you know what is it? It's ash would got like it's I don't know But it's with the key with this stuff is I said what why did you know because he gave it to me and he says just Do me favor mark right now where you feel how you feel how you're doing?

54:28I go I feel horrible my knees are killing me ankle everything I feel everything my back You're swinging a golf club. That's it's brutal So he goes and just take three and tell me how you feel in like you know in a few hours or whatever it was And I forgot about it and around the ninth hole But I swear I'm I'm around the turn. I'm um it's a couple hours later. I'm going I feel amazing for somebody like all the joints you know like Like the jujitsu finger thing when you get in your first come back and it's like I have that pain I had all that joint pain and and and it was gone. I was literally pummeling with DC.

55:01I'm like come on Let's go man. I put amazing. I go I go it's the pills. I go. This is insane I go can you give me and DC tried them too and DC said I haven't wrestled in a long time He tried them. He goes I love it like I want to I know nothing I like I go I'm trying to figure out this is a placebo effect or what it was he gave him to me again Same thing felt amazing. So I'd been have those on his Instagram. Can we find out what that stuff is? I want to literally I don't go into business. I want to I want to in on this thing. Whatever it is dude I'm gonna give you I have some try through some yes, just try it.

55:35Just mark how you feel if you have any pain Because if you go I felt nothing it might be the case, but these things It I did it a few time they ran out of him he couldn't get him and then he got him again Everybody who's given to a lot for they make that illegal whatever I know they just made bpc 157 I know it's it's the way I'm telling I'm I'm had a shape now It is literally the only thing that gets me up and I'm like whoa I could I could work out I could do it really I took on my Again, I want to know what's in there Yeah, I'll I'll find out from him It's all natural stuff, but the thing about it is speed is natural to you know, I don't know.

56:12It's all coming from earth But these natural the the key what they said in these things like the guy throws out Like because when you get even if you get ashwagon the active ingredient in it Well, you know it like once it's got people selling anyway, and it's like dust. It's like crap in there He doesn't you he throws out like 70 % of the stuff he said And I was like I don't know. I don't care what it is. I just want it I want to give it to my family because I want to feel better You know, I'm just an older guy feel you know, yeah, I'm You got to help me with that work, and I'm telling you I am literally right now I feel like I am on the cusp of either you know being that athletic guy, you know, go back into where you know I get in shape like crazy or I'm wearing cardigan sweaters and literally you know grandpa oh Well, just get a trainer Okay, I'm doing a documentary right now.

57:06Yeah And I started it in January I'm assembling the best guys like like that Dolce is going to help me out with this thing He's awesome. We already did one. We already did a documentary. I did it on uh, it was called cheat day Where I thought you could work out like six days a week and just have one day to eat what you you want and just do it that way And I had Dolce come in and be on it with me and work me out and do it and he kept going, you're not going to be able to do this. And I go, why? Because you're one day is going to destroy everything. And he said, and I remember this, he goes, you can't outwork a bad diet.

57:45And he was right. It was like, I would crush it so hard. People don't know what I can eat. You know, when people go on the food, you know, it's like, you have no idea how much I can crush food. And that one day would just destroy it for the rest. Yeah. The food thing is, you can't outrun a bad diet. You just can't. You can't. It's the best phrase. It's real. That's where it all comes from. It all comes from food and we're all addicted to food. And it's the craziest thing if you're addicted to food because you have to eat it. It's not like heroin. That's where addicted to heroin, like, oh, I've got a heroin problem and I'm going to take a little bit of heroin.

58:25Right. No, you're going to go full bore again. You're going to be fucked. It's one of the very few things where you're addicted to it and you've got to not be addicted to it anymore, but yet you still need to eat it. Well, that's crazy. That's crazy can undrumb. And most people's minds can't really process that. That's right. I can't. I just, I can't because he's given me the diets, Dolce. You know, just do this and this and this and this. You know, it's formulae. It's very simple. I mean, by the way, there's every, who would need some, another grown man to tell you what to eat. You know by me.

58:58You know, seriously, you know. And same thing with working out. You don't know, move your body. Whatever it is, you know what to do. You may not know the intricate stuff of like split squats and this and that, work this thing. But general health, you know what I got to move my body more, eat better foods, less process. We know it. But yet, man, I can't, that's what this documentary I'm doing about. It's like, why I have access to the greatest guys. Why can't I still do it? It's like, and part of it is I need the Goggins, you know, you do. You need someone around you who is also doing it. Well, that's it.

59:33It's community. I don't have that. It's like when I'm with Dolce if we're on a movie together or he's got me in shape. He's giving me the meals and you know, when I'm my own captain, I'm homeboy. I'm gone. I'm just gone. You know, one thing that you can try that I guarantee will help you lose weight is the carnivore diet. Because if you do it, the one thing that you're going to not eat is any carbohydrates. You're only going to eat meat. And if you cut out all bread, all pasta, all sugar, all bullshit, I'm not saying this is a great diet. I'm not saying this is the way to live. I'm saying this is the best way for me to eat.

1:00:13I've done every other kind of diet. This one works the best for me. And it's the one that keeps me lean. Right. Because when you eat and just protein, your body hits a satiety level. If you're just eating steak, just steak. Your body will hit a level and you go, this is all I need. And then you won't want to eat more. But if I'm in that same mind space and there's a steak there, but it's next to mashed potatoes with gravy, a bowl of pasta, ice cream, then I'm going to keep going. And I'm going to get another 7 ,000 calories. I'm going to keep going. But if I just eat the steak, then my body starts processing ketones.

1:00:51I start instead of using carbohydrates. I'm only eating protein and fats. Your body goes into a ketogenic state. You think better, gives you an extra gear with thinking. The ketogenic thing is, I mean, that's real. For me, it's worked. It's because Dolce will hate me for saying, like, he's like, you know, when they say blueberry, you know, carbs, he's like, carbs are fine for you. Like the right carbs. There's nothing wrong with carbs. It's a fuel for your body. But what I'm saying is if you're trying to lose weight, one of the best ways to regulate your appetite is a carnivore diet, because you don't overeat with it.

1:01:28But I think it's deeper than that for me. I think it's mental. I think it's like anything will work. I fasted that work. You know, I've done everything, you know, it all works for a while, but why am I this size now? You know, every time I'm like, you know, just recently I started stop comparing myself to other people and trying to like just say get better than yourself. Yes, that's a little of that concept for me works. It's like when I'm in there, because he'll give me workouts, Dolce did a do too, and I can't do it. I don't do them. I can't do the reps, four sets of 16. I get so bored by myself, like I start doing my own stuff.

1:02:07I'll do eclectic stuff, great stuff on a treadmill, all movement stuff. Like I love it. Just throwing punches, doing things. But I walk around and then there's no way to measure it though, because the next day I'm not doing that. I'm walking, you know, so it's like I'm the guy who walks up to the bag, hits the bag a couple of times, then walks out. Oh, look at this thing. I have every piece of equipment in my gym. I do. If you saw my gym, you go the rock live here, you know, it's like literally it's like they see me and they're like, what are you doing? It's like I buy everything because I buy into it.

1:02:38I'm like, because it's a little piece of hope. Yeah, that's what it is. Right, right. It's treadmill is a little piece of it. It's a hope, a new thing. I got the Jacob's ladder. I go, it's great. Yeah, it's jujitsu. You're grabbing a win just as great functional. Yeah, it's collecting dust as well. It really, because I don't use it. So I need something. That's what this thing is. What can get me? Because I am like most people, I'm telling you, you don't need a lot of stuff, but you need something to engage yourself every day. There's got to be a bridge between what the Goggins, the way and people who do nothing.

1:03:09Like, like, yeah, you got to get that. Like, I saw you were doing this with the other comedians, which I love. You know, it's like where you go, I just want them to walk or just get them down there. Get that is so important, man, because it's like if you can get into that groove, you do feel better. Like that's what blows my mind. I've gotten in shape a couple times. And I'm like, I don't need to eat anymore crap. I don't, I love the working. I love the way I feel. And then it slides right back. What happens? Well, it's in, it's one of the things about you that makes you really funny. It's your indulgent.

1:03:39You're just your wild dude who's like trying to stay buttoned up. It's like, part of what's really funny about you. And that indulgence, it goes into other things. And for you, it's food. Right. You know, luckily it's not gambling or something like that. Right. Right. You know, I don't, I quit things too. Like, like, I feel like I have the same almost intensity that you have, but I'm not a finisher. Like, I don't really, really, any things that I'm talking about. We started jujitsu. Did we start at the same time? Yeah. You bet, Beverly Hills jujitsu, right? Yeah. You were the one who brought me down there.

1:04:13Yeah. I'm a blue bill. And, and barely 30, you know, it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, as I start stop. I don't fit, you know what I'm saying? And that's in my head. I'm like, ah, if I would have done what Joe did, man, look where I could have been. And I, you know, I'm trying to, you know, why do, and now I start comparing, like, ah, you can do it now. You do that. And I, if I play that game, I'm done. Because I can never catch up to other people. Well, a lot of it's like learn behavior patterns. You just have, you get stuck in. And if you're unlucky, you can get a bad behavior pattern, a constantly quitting things.

1:04:47Right. But if you're lucky, you could, look, I got very lucky that when I was 15, I got obsessed with martial arts. Right. Because that was the first thing I ever did in my life where I didn't think I was a loser anymore. I was like, I realized that if you work really hard at something and you're completely obsessed with something, it could transform your life. So my, my life from the time I was 15 to the time I was 18, I was a different human. From 14, 15, I was insecure. I get bad social anxiety. We moved around a lot. I get picked on a lot. And I went from that to being completely confident.

1:05:30I'm like, being a different human being. I was fighting all the time. It wasn't like, to me, the fear of like conflict was pretty much gone. Because I was just engaging in conflict all over the country. I was flying around my whole high school all my time. So I got in my head that the way to feel better and to get life to improve is to just fucking dig in and keep going and don't ever quit. Don't fucking quit. That's so great. But I got lucky that that's something that I fell into when I was 15. I often think about, you know, there was one day, dude, one day when I was coming home from a baseball game where I walked up the stairs.

1:06:13We were getting ready to ride the tee, which is like the Boston system. And we were getting ready to ride the tee, but the line after the baseball game was like really long. There were so many people that were on the tee. So we just for a goof walked up the stairs to see this Taekwondo school. And as we were walking up the stairs, this guy, John Lee, who was a national champion at the time, is preparing for the World Cup. And he was like 28 years old. He was in his prime and he was kicking this back. And as I was going up the stairs, I was here and whoop. And then the sound of a chain like, shitching, whoop, shitching.

1:06:48And I went up and watched this guy kick the bag. And I was like, what? Tongue, tongue, tongue poem. Yeah, I kicked the pole. Yeah. Yeah. And I was just, I was like, I want to learn how to do that. Right. And I was there the next day. I signed up. I had enough money to pay for the glass. I signed up. And I was there every day. From then on, I was there every day. I mean, every day. I worked out every day of the week. I worked out Sunday. I worked out every day. I never took time off. I was there for hours every day. I just eat food, go there, and it'll be starving by the time I left. And then you head home and go back again.

1:07:24That's your bless, brother. Because you have something that most people don't have that. They don't have that. Like, everybody who has the intensity in the beginning, you know, when they see something like, I want to do this. I want to say, I do it. Like, everything, I get all pumped up. I'm like, this is it. This is all I want to do. And then it's like, you don't want to suffer. You don't want to put the, you know, the work. That's the difference between, we both love Jiu Jitsu. Well, to love something you got to, you got to know it. You have to know it, right? You can't love something you don't know.

1:07:55Well, I love it. But, you know, what I don't love? Obviously, I don't love the mornings getting the geek, cold guion. You know, there's things about getting in with like, you know what I'm saying? Getting on the mats, they're sweaty. They've been there since like five or five in the morning. I got to travel to do it. It's going to hurt these guys are coming after me. You know, it's like, you know, you're in there and it's, I'm nervous. And my way, so I stop. Like, I get back into it, you know, I'll let it go for a while. You do. You go through that and you become, you know, you overcome those little things and it's like, that's how you grow.

1:08:27It's like, I get right up to the edge of it and then I'm like, I just, so I don't love it as much as you, it's like you have to, you have to, you commit, you have to suffer. You have to suffer. You know, that's the only way you're going to show your love for anything is you get, you got to suffer for it. There's got to be that you've overcome that. Otherwise, you don't. You, you die, you know, you have to be, everybody has two people inside them. Everybody has the person inside of them that wants to go to sleep. Right. The person inside of them that wants to quit. That guy's winning, by the way.

1:08:59That's the guy who's, you see before you right now. And the other guy that's like, no, this is what you need to do. Right. But the problem is with a lot of people that other guy that's like, no, that's what you need to do. That person's really timid. And that person, they, they just, well, maybe it'd be better if we just went for a run. I shut the fuck up. I'm going to eat chips. And that, that timid version of you is what you need to cultivate into being like the boss. That's the boss. So I have a boss. My boss is that voice. Yes. I let that voice win every time. I love it. That voice says shut the fuck up and get in the cold water.

1:09:37That's, that's dying to yourself, man. That's literally saying I'm not going to go where I'm comfortable. I'm going to, I'd much rather do this. I'm sure you, you know, much rather do something than jumping a cold plunge every morning. You know, get a cup of coffee and go hang out and talk, you know, you do that. And that's something I need to do more and more. Like like we all do. It's like, it's the only way you're going to embrace it and get better at things. I'm trying, literally we're flying. Like I said, I drive everywhere these gigs. And it was getting so much that I'm like, I'm afraid of flying.

1:10:08But I'm like, I got to just die to myself and just do this half faith. You're going to be fine. Just do it. And each time you do it, you're like, all right, we did it. Yeah. And you have a bad flight. You're like, I'm not bad doing that. You know, but it's like, you know, it's, you just got to give the boss some strength. Yes. And the boss, the boss has to win a bunch of battles. And when the boss wins a bunch of battles and he wins them every day, then eventually the boss becomes a louder voice. And then you get, get it to the point where the boss gets to tell you what to do and you don't deviate.

1:10:38And even though you have all those feelings, every time I lift the lid on the cold plunge, I'm like, let's not do this. Every time. And, but the boss is like, shut the fuck up. The boss gets mad if those voices pop up. So I'll make you do an extra minute, bitch. Right. Get the fuck in there. I love it. And, you know, there's two pieces of advice I would give comics or just young men in general. Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Yeah. Just be that person. Yeah. Instead of pretending to be that person, become that person. Right. Become a person that you admire.

1:11:12You can do, it's possible to do. If you can pretend to be that person, you can actually be that person. Right. Aspire to be that person. And the second one is, live your life like a documentary crew is following you around. Live your life like, is if you wanted the whole world to go, wow, that guy's really killing it. Like, I love the way that guy handles things. And then you're not going to, you're going to fail. You're going to fuck up. You're going to, you're a human. Everyone's going to fall into a, like, wow, what a loser I am. Just go back with the same ethic. Get back into it with the same mindset.

1:11:48Live your life like a documentary crew is following you around everywhere. How would you want to be seen? Well, be that person. Actually be that person. Become that person. You can become that person. That's fine. We're doing that now. And it's like, we started in January. And I'm, I don't know, I think I might have went up four pounds. I don't even know it like it's like, you know, because I've go down and then it's like, but you're right. You're right. And we want to, I'm going to show it all, you know, because that's what it is. It's the struggle. It's the process. Dude, you just need a hype, man.

1:12:16If we're neighbors, by the way, I love Austin. I'm coming here. I want, I would be here every day. Fucking move here. Move here. The club's always very available. You'll have fun. Great place to work out. Come here to my gym. Come work out together. Oh, man. Oh, we got a beautiful gym here. Dude, I think I'm just going to rip my kids out of school. We're going. Let's just do it. It's great here, man. It is really great here. The people are so friendly. The way they treat like freedom here is like a religion. Freedom is a different thing in Texas. They are not interested in controlling your, you know, what you buy and where you go, what you do on your land.

1:12:53You can own a zebra. They don't give a fuck. There's more wild tigers or there's more tigers, actual tigers, in captivity, in private collections in Texas than there are of all of the wild of the world. That's insane. Well, you just show me. It's just people who have tigers. I need zebra's and tigers. I drove by a place the other day that had giraffes. People have giraffes. That's great. You can have whatever the fuck you want. If it's your land, they just leave you alone. They're like, there's your land. You do whatever you want, you know? And they love, and the comedy here they love. It's booming.

1:13:32I went and I got my beard trimmed at a place just yesterday and they were talking about the mother shit. Like they go, and it's great. It's a whole different vibe here and everybody's great and I'm like, really? And he was like, oh yeah. Well, this is the first time in our lives where a scene emerged. There was kind of a little bit of a scene here in Austin. There was a few clubs, a few comics, some good comics came in Austin for sure. But there was no real scene where a bunch of assassins lived in town. And now there's like Shane Gillis lives here. Duncan Trussle lives here. Thompson Gurra lives here.

1:14:08Christina Pizzitski lives here. Tony Hinchcliffe lives here. David Lucas lives here. It's like, holy shit. Brian Simpson lives here. Tim Dillon lives here. He's got a house. He's got multiple houses. He lives everywhere. But there's so many killers here. It's just every night you go to that club and it's just packed with great kids. It's just a comedy. You know what it is? I'm telling you, it's community. I don't have that. Like when I'm, I have it in, you know, little bursts when I'm with people on a movie set or whatever it is, but it's like, I don't have that in my everyday life. I need that.

1:14:42I think I really think that's a big thing. I really because I need the hype, man. I need, but I need, you know, to be in that group where you just start doing it. I did one training camp with Wyman and those guys, you know, earlier on. And with Aljo and these guys. And, you know, I just jumped in with them. And it's like, I was with them for, I don't know, a few weeks, three weeks. You know, and then I had to go out, but it was like, you develop this brotherhood. Yes, it was so much fun. It was, you know, going through everything, you're eating together, you're running sprees together. And I was like, whoa, this is really, really cool.

1:15:16Well, that's one of the great things about fight teams, especially like Sarah Longo. It's like, those guys are so tight. They're friends. Oh, he's such a tight group. And they got so many killers there. Oh my gosh. Mariah is the funniest thing ever. I came my first day on the camp, whatever. And they were sparring in the octagon. And I had my head gear on. And everybody's pairing off with everybody. You know, just, you know, Wyman goes, you know, and Longo setting it up. You guys go with it, you guys, everybody, and switching around. And I was like, worried because I don't want to go into it. You know, he's getting it, getting it, getting it, mix it up.

1:15:50And I'm going, I'm not even a fighter. I can't do this, you know, whatever. I got in there. Everybody else, Algebra knows me. You know, these guys know me. Mariah thinks I'm a fat old fighter. Like he thinks he doesn't know any. I get the head gear on. He doesn't recognize me as an actor. And he starts going, he starts dancing around. I'm going, whoa, I know right away. He doesn't, he doesn't know I'm not, you know, I'm an outside guy. He thinks I'm a guy in the camp. And he just starts going crazy. And I go, oh my god. And I'm just a little punches. And this guy's moving around. I'm like, crazy on me.

1:16:20And I'm like, I'm looking for why. And it was, it was a, he was the sweetest guy ever. But I got lit up by him and two say, I go, I'd take it off. I go, I'm an actor, man. That guy does not get tired. Nothing. He's wild to watch. So he's seeing him with Henry Sohudo. He's got Henry Sohudo picked up over his shoulders. And he's talking. And he walks him over towards Mark Zuckerberg. He's, he's, it's Henry Sohudo. That's an Olympic gold medalist. And you're carrying him around like he's a kid on a school yard. He fucked up. That's a different breed man. Oh man, he's an animal. Marab is an animal.

1:16:53And the sweetest guy once again on the best. Yeah, he was really fast. I love that dude. And everybody loves him. Like the response he gets from the audience. Yeah. People love him. His last speech was so ridiculous. Oh my god. He let he wins. He just gets so fired up. He's amazing. Then they fucking love Marab man. They love, look at that. Look at him. That's Henry Sohudo. That is crazy. You have to understand how crazy it is that he's carrying around that guy on his back. Like that with a smile. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, two division UFC champion. He won the flyweight medal or the flyweight belt and he won the banterweight belt.

1:17:27And Marab is literally toying with him. He's smiling and carrying him. I mean, that is so wild to see. That was one of the most shocking things. I mean, I've seen a lot of shocking things. People getting knocked out. I've seen a lot of things. But to see someone treat Henry Sohudo like that. Carrying him around like that laughing with a smile. His face was like, oh. Now I could say I sparred that guy. There you go. But yeah, that camaraderie we did it as comics. That's why we opened up the club. We opened up the club because we realized that one of the functions that the comedy store had for all of us.

1:18:04It was home based. We had a home base. It was a great old club with this amazing history and we were proud to be a part of it. And so we'd all get together and we were proud. We were a comedy store comics. It was fun. You go out on the road and you come back home and you see. We're back at the family. Yeah, and some of the best shows that we would have all year would be like Tuesday night, Wednesday night shows at the store. We'd go there and it was just so fun. And everybody's just so happy to be around each other. Other comedians just have fun and talk about jokes and talk about stand up. And then when we came out here, I was like, there's no home base.

1:18:35There's no home base. We did the Vulcan but it's not set up good for a green room. I was like, we need a real home base. And then I started looking. I started looking right away. And the first place I bought was a cult theater. It was owned by a cult. That fell apart. And then we got this opportunity to get that place on six street. And I was like, all right, this is it. And then we just started building. And it's better than I ever could have hoped. It's a real community now. Like you go into that green room. And there's like, fucking 20 dudes in there. Just talking. Laughing. Having fun. And the sodas there.

1:19:11And Lewis is there. It's like people from the road, guys from New York, guys from LA, people coming in out of town every week. It's fun, man. I miss that, man, because I don't have, I have it when Sandler goes on tour and he, he'll bring me out and I go with him. And it's just so much fun. It's so much fun, man. It's, you know, that's what we're missing. You know, if you're the guy who just does the theaters and, you know, you're with your family all week and then you have your opening act and you go on the road. This is exactly him. It's not the same experience. It's not. Not been that for years.

1:19:41That's the guy I am. You know, I miss it, man. I really do. Come to Texas, shit me. Come on, buddy. I got you. You got to, once they take this, it's a good place to live. You know, for brain, man, it's going to change everything. I want to take those wide -moon pills. But do we find out what the fuck they are? I know that. I'm going to bring them into you. I have some. Just try them. And B. I'm ready. You're going to be honest. I'm going to try them right away. Okay. I can't wait to try them. And my mind have already tried it.

1:20:09It had me wrestling DC. That's ridiculous. Wrestling DC, I'm playing golf. That was a fun. I go into the pummel him just messing around while he's holding the golf club. And you just feel you're like, oh my gosh. It's a bear. Oh my gosh. Yeah, DC is a bear. Two division champion, man. You get, you're almost like, you're playing with him but you get scared. It was like I was with boss. When you introduced me, you got me to boss. When I met boss, I remember I first had, it was just the king of Queens started. And I was like, we could have this guy come and train us. This guy that we used to watch, you know, what was it on?

1:20:48Pancrease. Yeah. And he had the high boots and stuff like that. Yeah. And then I was like, whoa, man, we can get this guy to, you know, to our dressing. And we could work out with him. I had a little space on the set where, you know, we would train. And I brought him in that first day. And he couldn't even speak anything through his knee and rock, you know, and I think my brother was there. And they were, I'm talking to him and trying to keep the conversation going, you know, like that. And he's just sitting here. He doesn't even know what's going on really. Just looking at me. And then those guys left the room.

1:21:16And I felt like I was in the room with like a leopard. You know, like, where you go, where your feet, as long as you're feeding a conversation stuff, it's okay. Keep eating it and then we'll set you again. You're just looking at me and I ran out of conversation. I ran out of conversation. And I'm like, all right. And he's just looking at me. I'm like, this is a different human in front of me, you know, especially back then. Oh gosh, things could go bad. Yeah, boss was scary, dude. Dude, it's fighting days. He was the first guy that the UFC hired that I got excited about. Right. Because he was a guy that I knew who he was.

1:21:49Because I had seen him fight in pancreas. And he was one of the very first high level strikers that made it into MMA. That Dutch kickboxing style. Oh, yeah. In pancreas, you'd have to hit with the palms. And boss figured out that instead of bitch slapping people, you just spear them with your palm like a punch. Spear him and he would say you would hit this part of the wrist. Yeah. As opposed to even the palm. He did the bone. His bone. And he would just work the bag. Mm -hmm. Yeah, he worked the bag with his palms to develop that power. And he had this crazy ability to pull his hand back. Like his hand, like my hand doesn't really go much back further than that.

1:22:26But boss's hand goes way back like this. But he gets a freaky long finger. Crazy hands. He's a weird... He's a real freak. Every injury I have to this day from turf toe in him, came from him. You know, because he's the greatest guy in the world. By the way, once we got to know each other. He's awesome. He's one of my best friends. And we threw mats in my garage in Sino, and I remember. And he would come over and train me. And we would start on our knees and stuff like that. And I remember one time, we would just start on our knees. And we were locked up. And I remember I outmossled him. And I pulled him to the side.

1:23:01And then two seconds later, he reversed me. And I was like, whoa, but I got him right there. It was pretty sick. And the next go we had it. He pushed... He rolled me back and I heard a pop. And I thought it was my knee. But it was my toe, my big toe. Oh, no, toe toe. For still here. Still. Really? Yeah. Never got rid of it. So is it? These pills help. These pills help that. I'm serious. I'm telling you. These pills should be the back of a wagon. Dude, this is for everything. I got to find a way. Diary, a gonorrhea. I just want to make sure. Because you nobody's... You're going to be like, dude, they do nothing.

1:23:39Which I love them. I bet they do something. I guarantee if you're having that kind of experience with them, they do something. I wish I knew what they were. I have ideas. Well, I'll find it out for you. I don't want to do it now when we don't have it. Why don't you go grab them? Go grab them and bring them in here. I want to know what they are. Otherwise, we'll be in... How are you going to know what they are? You're going to know what they are? Yeah. Well, is it just the pill by themselves? It's the pill by themselves. Oh, it's no bottle. No, no, no. It's not sketchy. No, no, no, no. It's not sketchy.

1:24:05It's not sketchy. I promise you it's not sketchy. No, no, because it was a... I'm telling you. We will figure it out. Okay. You're going to love this stuff. Oh, yeah. And then... No, I think you will. You and I will sit down with this stuff with why, man. And we'll... I'm telling you, we're going to save the world with this stuff. It's an... If an old man is telling you this, I am... Yeah. I'm telling you, it's the one thing that's like... See, they're both old now. And then while... Remember, your kids never thought you were going to be an old man. Never. Never. How am I going to be an old man?

1:24:36How is that possible? I'm a young guy. I'm always a young guy. Yeah, exactly it. Also, you never got beaten down by life. Right? Because you have a great job. Right. Like, if you have a job that sucks, you can get beaten down by life. Oh, yeah. But if you have a job like we have, we enjoy our job. It's like a thing. It is what we do for work, but it's also what we enjoy. Right. And it is work, but it's fun. It's great. There's nothing. You know, the stress is... The stress and work is different. Yeah. But they say you're only as happy as your... At least happy kids, right? I mean, that's... Oh, that's true.

1:25:07That's true. So it's like when you got that going on, it always bounces that out where you're like, man, the greatest life here ever. And then it's like, oh my gosh, I got to deal with this. Yeah. And, you know, it's not easy for kids. Well, like, especially today with social media and just the weirdness of the world. And I mean, if you're a fucking kid today, you're a 15 -year -old kid in your in high school and you see what the president is, you're like, what? That's the guy running the world. Like, ooh, what is happening? Yeah. How crazy is this? And then you've just gone through COVID, everyone's confused.

1:25:40Like, what happened? It's a very difficult time. It's tough for two years. Like, what happened? And then here you are about to make it out there in the world and you're on social media all the time. Right. It's a tough ride for kids today. It is a very, very, very tough ride with new challenges that we never had to experience. Dude, my oldest daughter is on the spectrum. And, you know, so we started seeing this anxiety and this disconnection. And it was... She developed, you know, these texts, you know, I mean, like, really bad. Where she started, like, hitting herself, you know, like, couldn't uncontrollable.

1:26:15She's a big, strong girl, you know. She was about, I think, 16, 15 at the time. And, you know, I remember, I mean, it was so scary for me that I had to lay on her at night and hold her down. And I, you know, I'm pretty sure she was hitting so hard and she's apologizing. She's like, I'm sorry, you know, like, I'm doing it. And I'm like, what are you kidding? It was just, it broke my heart. So we brought her to the hospital. We went to the hospital to find out what we didn't even know what this was. And, you know, where it was coming from. So they got her to calm down and she was still ticking and stuff.

1:26:50And I talked to the neurologist. Is that what it is? I guess I don't know. The doctor of, you know, and I go, what is this? What can we do? And he said, he basically said she's developed these texts. It's like, you know, this is something you're just going to have to learn to deal with. You know, you're going to have a child like this. You have to prepare yourself that you and your wife are going to have to, you know, deal with this for the rest of your life this way. And I was like, there's got to be a different way. There's no way of really, we don't know, you know, and I just, I went, oh, man, it crushed me.

1:27:19So it was like me and my wife were like, what do we do? And my wife read this book. She was just doing all this crazy research and she found this book, Disconnected Kids. And it was by Dr. Robert Malillo. And so, you know, I got involved with him. I called him and he literally took my daughter. He was, I know what this is. He was, it's okay. He says, I can work with her and we were just out of, like, we were lost. We didn't know what to do. I mean, I mean, violent, you know, it was like, woof. So we took it to this doctor and within two weeks, no drugs, anything. Two weeks, ticks were gone. And he said, they're going to still be there.

1:27:56They're going to come up every once in a while. But he fixed their man. And I'm like, whoa, it blew my mind, man. And it's like, so I was like, I just want to give other parents hope. And I knew another guy who had a daughter who's severely autistic. And, you know, she was nonverbal and, you know, violent too. And he said, he goes, I will, and he worked with them. And she's getting so much better. And now, and speaking, and it's an amazing thing this guy does. How's he doing? What is he doing? I don't know at all. You know, he works with the brainwaves. And again, not a doctor, but there's no medication in there.

1:28:39And Valle, which was very important, because that's what they were recommending to the hospital. Just put her on some medication. I'm like, I'm turning into a zombie. Exactly. I can't do that. And she's so much better now. She still has the ticks every once in a while. But she's great. She's connected. He gets her connected. He does all these like brain things. And he works with the, you know, and how it all ties into the motor. And then he's like, I'm just going to say, you know, whatever that is. It's so fascinating. It is. And he's another guy. Is this it? I've been told via your assistant.

1:29:10This is what it is. Okay. No name for it. No name for it. Yeah. What do you mean? He's just no name. What do you mean there's no name? Okay. So it has, Ashwaganda, Shav, Shadavari. Shadavari. Shadavari. Kavachseed. Phung, Fenu, Greek seed. Papali. Guaducci. Shajalit. Oh. Shalajit. Shalajit. I've heard of that stuff before. I've heard of Shalajit. Gokshura and Sunthi. Oh boy. Well, but that's a mouthful, isn't it? I think this, it's not that the ingredients are that unique. I think it's the fact that the way they do it is, I don't know, that he says he doesn't use anything that's been, like he throws out a majority of it, which is, that's why it's hard to come by.

1:30:08And it's like active ingredients for everything. You, as they could sell you all this stuff. But if you don't get it from the right place, you know, it's, it's just not going to do anything. Whatever it is, I give it to you. Really? Okay. I'm interested. I've never tried Ashwaganda. Here's something that has the same, I'm not saying this is it. This just has the same ingredients. In full of 650 herbal supplements. It says same ingredients. Healthy skeletal muscular response. Um, maintain healthy skeletal muscular system. Okay. Interesting. Give it a shot. Same with that. Same with that, Jamie.

1:30:42That is the same ingredients. I, I mean, I literally copied and pasted and Googled that they're showing the same thing, same dosage. That looked like it. But again, it could be low red, but it says, try it. Try it. Try it. Okay. I know nothing. I'm going to try it. Thank you. I'm excited. And I'm excited. You give it to everybody? I need this. Anybody who's like, I just, for me, I want it for me. Yeah. And I know, I'm not going to, you know, if it does, if it does, I sense the beat. Like I'm like, if it's not working, it's not working. What's up? If it works for me. Don't say has it. Yes. Okay.

1:31:19That might be it. It must be it. It must be it. If it's on his website, that's it. Influs 650. Okay. But, yeah, it's, it works. Herbs work. There's a lot of them that work. Yeah. Some of them are really good. So that's what's interesting about pharmaceutical drugs is the vast majority of them are sourced originally from plants. A lot of them from the Amazon. They've come up with a bunch of different pharmaceutical drugs just based on compounds they found in the Amazon. Yeah. I don't even know. Yeah. I know nothing about this stuff. So when you started doing this documentary, what was the purpose?

1:32:00To find out the process, because it's like, I'm going to do a movie right now. Like every time I'm, I try to get in shape. It's always like, I always have to get in shape. It's almost like, you know, a fighter who fights and then gets so out of shape again. It's like, well, that's it. I mean, I shot a movie two years ago. Where I play an exorcist priest. Like, and I wanted it to be really, like it was really crazy heart, like a legit story. So I wanted to be, look a little different. Be, you know, right in the part and just have a different character. So I got down to 230. I really worked hard, you know, like that's low for me.

1:32:37And shot it. And thought we were done with it. And I got to pick up a couple scenes. I'm 280. No. Dude, I'm going to have to look like, either right into this priest gut, this thung by a bee, and it just swelled up to, or I got to get in shape for it. So I got to hit you for it. I got to get back down to that again. How much time do you have? I have as much as I, you know, I will shoot it when I'm ready. But it's like, it's waiting there to do a couple scenes where. 50 pounds. How long does it take to you for the Elyse 50? I can lose it really quick. I could fast and lose it. Seriously, I can lose it.

1:33:10I could lose it quick. Like how many weeks? For 50. I could do it in a month. What? That sounds so insane. Less than a month. I could do it in Elyse 50 pounds. That's amazing. I can do it fast, fast and just not, you know. But that's even nothing. It must feel like shit though. No. No. No, when I fast, I didn't, you know. How many days have you fast in a row? You don't, you don't want to know. How many days? 41 and a half. What? 41 and a half. You had 41 days with no food. Water. And a little salt in the water, like a little electrolytes. And I lost it. Wow. Yeah. See, when I lock on, I can do something.

1:33:55Oh, I know that. But that's a crazy lock on. 41 days. Well, that was, how much did you lose? I was fasting for, it was mental. It was like, I felt so bad for my daughter. I said, I'm going to do this for you. It was something that I could do, you know. And apply it to. And it was like so emotionally tied into me. And I started fasting and I go, I didn't, I didn't say I'm going to do 40 days. I just said, I'm going to do whatever I can. I'm going to start fasting right now. And I was praying for it. Like, I was worried. And I did like four or five days. And I was getting through it. But I was like, I was wanting to get off it then.

1:34:25I was like, well, I got to start to eat because I'm really hungry. And I went and I, I, I, I looked at my daughter. I go, how are you feeling? She goes, I've been feeling good. She goes, have you been fasting for me? And I go, yeah. And she goes, thank you so much. And I literally went, okay, I got to keep going. I couldn't stop then. Right. So I just kept going day at a day at a time, you know, just do it. But it's amazing how your body, you don't need it. You don't need to, as long as you have fat on you like that, like, I lost. I think like 60 pounds. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, there's that guy that was in the 1960s, right, Jamie?

1:35:02That one dude, he fasted for 300. Yeah. 60, so he was really big, right? Yeah. Yeah, you can do it. All you can do is just take IV vitamins. Yeah. Just water and vitamins. I didn't even take vitamin. Like, you don't need anything, you know, and I felt you took no vitamins. Nothing. Wow. But, you know, it was, it cleansed everything out of me. Like, I'm not saying it's the way to go forever. You know, like, I don't, I don't know. Again, not exactly. There's definitely some health benefits to fasting. Yeah. Especially short -term fasting. Well, they, but with your big, and you can do it, why not?

1:35:36That's it. It's like, well, how are you going to survive? Your body eats fat. Yeah. That's it. That's what it was doing. It was survival. You probably had good energy. I was pretty good for, you know, a while, and then you'd have these dips. And, you know, you'd feel like, wow, I feel miserable. I'm going to, I'm off. I'm done. And then you fight through it, and you're like, the next day you wake up, you're like, I'm okay. You know, it's like, keep going. Just keep going. Your body just says, all right, this is what we're dealing with. We're eating fat. I literally wrapped up the 41 and a half days at you're going to crack up.

1:36:04I went to Pizzi University, which is a university to learn how to make pizzas. And I didn't eat meat. I forgot. I had booked it. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I go, I'm not going to kill it while I'm there. It was a three day course where you get like a little diploma. I wanted to know how to make the dough and everything like that. And I went, oh, no, this falls within my diet. I just wanted to make it past 40 days. And I went down there, and I did the whole thing, and I never ate a bite. Wow. Yeah, so it was crazy. But then you blow back up to this. You know, it's like, it's, so it's like, that's what the documentary is about.

1:36:35The documentary is about the process and finding something where you can help people with their health. With, you know, it is what you were talking about. It's just get up and do something. Walk. A little bit more each day is the key. You know, it's like, when you don't even notice it's happening and all of a sudden you're disactive. And it's a great part of the keys. I have another people to deal with. That's one of the great things about like you're saying training with wide -bending those guys. Like you're in a group where everybody else is working hard too. And it's contagious. Right. You get caught up in the momentum and it's great and everybody comes out of there feeling better.

1:37:09And you all went through something together. Yes. That helps. It's very hard to do it by yourself. It's very hard to do it. Not only helps, it's like we need it. I think we're built for that. We're made for that community. You know? Yep. 100%. You know, 100%. And you don't have it. It's hard. Yeah, it's not a good life if you don't have it. It's just not. You don't want to be by yourself. Right. You know, like we always hear about those like Howard Hughes type characters. The by themselves are scattered germs. Yeah. Yeah. The world gets smaller and smaller. Yeah, the bigger you get, the world gets smaller.

1:37:42And it's not good. Not good for you. No. Yeah, you can lose your marbles. I'm coming. I think I'm coming. My wife's hearing this. You can hear this for the first time. But I think this is it. Yeah. It's a great place to live. I look here in Florida and you know. Yeah. This is a great place to live. It's fantastic. I'd be again. I've never spent time here in Austin. This is the first. I was here for a few days. We were writing and. I felt immediately at home. Like the moment I moved here. I was like, this is where I was supposed to be. Like it made sense. It made sense. It's like a course. I thought you'd never leave LA too.

1:38:20I'm sorry. Yeah. That's so cool. Well, I've been wanting to leave for a while. You know, I tried. Yeah .ria moved out a bit. You moved out from LA. Further out in the stick. Right? In the hills. Yeah. I was trying to beat. I bought my first house. I bought my first house out in the hills on four acres. Right? Because I was like, I don't want to be around people. Right. I want quiet. I want animals. I want to look out my window see a hawk fly. That's what I want to see. Yeah, that's what I like. You got that here? Yeah, but that's what I like. I don't like, I don't want to be overwhelmed by people.

1:38:56I don't think that's healthy for you. And with me, LA just got sketchy during COVID. It just got the George Floyd riots. I was like, this is sketchy. I was watching a bunch of looting. I saw, I saw these kids breaking to a closed door. I was like, God damn it. This is sketchy. These cops can't do anything. They're overwhelmed. And then there's all this defund the police shit going on. And everywhere I would go, I would go, I would go, you'd see tents. And I was like, this is a society that's fallen apart. And if you don't get out now, you're going to get stuck in something unrecognizable. This is not what you signed up for.

1:39:33When I lived in LA in the 90s, LA was great. It was great. It was kind of a lot of traffic, but other than that, it was cool. Great place to live. All these comedians and artists and fun. Sunny out all the time. Yay, we're in the right spot. But after COVID, after the George Floyd ride, someone was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. And then it's just the lockdowns and all the ridiculousness and hypocrisy. It's just realizing you have to pay attention how fucking stupid the mayor is. I can never pay attention to the mayor. I didn't give a fuck who the mayor was. And then when COVID comes on, oh, that guy's a real problem.

1:40:11Like these people can become a real problem. They can tell you you have to close your family business. You've had a business for 30 years, it's fucking dipshit, who shouldn't be managing a fucking taco bell. It's managing the entire city's economy. Like, oh, my God. And then they went after him too, which is even great. Like Black Lives Matter was protesting in front of his house like 30 days in a row. That's what you get, bitch. That's what you get. It just turns on itself. And then you brought it here and you planted these seeds and look at this growing man. It's just so amazing. Luckily, a lot of other comics decided to move out here.

1:40:48That was the big one. Ron White was the king. He was always here. Ron White was here before. Three men in COVID. Yeah. Ron White, I remember calling Ron White up. I go, why are you living in Austin? He goes, man, he goes, I still come to the Congress to him and I fucking love it. He goes, I love Texas. I love being here. I love living in Austin. A good city. And I was like, damn, it sounds like a good fucking city. And so when the pandemic came around and we were looking for places to live, we had some friends that were coming to look in Austin. And I was like, let's look in Austin. And we came and we saw this house on the lake.

1:41:18I was like, let's go. My buddy, I have my buddy, Scott Vos. He lived in New York, like most of it was like in a city. And then he just abruptly moved to Nebrunfels. Nebrunfels. And he's always like a bow hunter and all this stuff. And he loved that stuff. For bosses. Bosses? Yeah. They're great friends. Bosses. Bosses are here too now. Yeah, annoying. I know the whole thing. Yeah, they're amazing. And he loves it. I'm always like, how is it, you know, like are you, you know, missing New York? And he's like, not a stitch. You know, it's like, you can always visit New York. Yeah. I love New York.

1:41:53I love to go back and visit. I love to visit and eat. Yeah. Well, I'm in the island. So it's like, it's not in the craziness. Right. But it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's the island is a different state. Yes, it really is. It's a different state. Of 100%. It really is. Yeah. It's a different state. It's not in New York City. No. No. No, no, no, no. I'm on. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very right wing. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it's most more families. Mm -hmm. Yeah, much more normal, which is what I need. You know, you know, but here it tells you I love work on the island. That was my favorite place to work.

1:42:27Governors. Yes. Chuckles. Do you remember chuckles? Yes. Is that me? Is that me? Is that me? Yeah. Yeah. East Side was great. That was a sad day when East Side Tide closed. And then they, they opened another one, Richie, and it just got away from them. And it was just not a great, you know, he took on a massive like, a store, like a massive warehouse and started rebuilding it and just got, you know, in over his head with stuff. And the, you know, the, the boom was slowing down a little bit of, you know, and it just got tough. Yeah. Long Island has always been a good place for comedy. Oh, best.

1:43:03It's always real good comics coming out of Long Island. There's always like a long Island attitude. Like you get guys who come into the city from Long Island. I was always afraid of that. That was another move like, oh my God, making that move to the city. People like you get to go to the city. I'm like, I'm not going to the city yet. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I was so scared the first time I performed in the city. Oh, I was so nervous. The seller, where'd you go bossing? Come to the mall. No, catchurizing stuff. Yes, me too. Lewis Feranba. Yes. Yes. I was so terrified. Wow. I thought I was going to bomb.

1:43:30I was so nervous. I've never been more nervous for a show in my life. Because all the grades were through there. I remember I watched a video that was online of Richard Prior. I guess back then I must have watched a tape. Because we were talking about like the early 90s. It must have been a tape. But I watched a VHS tape of Richard Prior on stage at catch. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to perform in the same place. And I knew Richard Belzer had performed there. I knew. It was just a legendary club. I couldn't believe I was there. I couldn't believe I was allowed to be on the stage. Me too, man.

1:44:07Yeah, but when it went okay, it went good. You know, I was like, okay. And then the next show I did this city, I was like, loose. I was like, this is just a crowd. These are just people. That's it. And then I just got loose. But the lure of the city was always like, you can't trick them. They're going to be the smart people. Like you can trick all those losers that come to see you at a bar in the middle of Massachusetts. But you're going to go to New York, fucking city. You better have your act together. And you know, and your act has to be tight. Stand up New York, the comic strip. Comic strip.

1:44:39You remember Eddie Murphy? Yeah, that was the top one. Oh my gosh, Eddie was here. Yeah. You know, and you see that Chris Rock and he's like, well, the clubs in New York, there were so many of them. Boston comedy club. Yeah. Dangerfields. Dangerfields. I played. I played in front of probably three people. Right? Yeah. One o 'clock in the morning. Yep. Yeah. I was there once. Dangerfields. And my spot was at 9 .30 and I got there at 9 o 'clock. And everyone was by the bar. I'm like, what's going on? There's no crowd. And while we were there, two people showed up. And remember Bobby. Oh, you put the show on.

1:45:13Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Welcome to Dangerfields. It's just broad. You started the show. Yes. And the show started. Yes. And we all did stand up for two people. I love it. They really held hostage. How could they leave? We're going to get out of here. This sucks. Like, what? There's five more guys coming. There was something about back then that I, I mean, I miss so much that, I guess it's the community again, but that whole drive to, you know, the newness of being in these clubs, the comedy seller, you know. Also, we didn't know if we were going to make it. That's it. You know, you back then you were like, am I going to be a real professional or is this just bullshit?

1:45:50Should I think about getting a job job? Right. I quit my last job way early. Did you? Yeah, I was working at a place called Granger in the, in the warehouse, just pulling orders. It was like an industrial equipment company. And I hated it. It was so hot and I'm like miserable. And I'm doing like one, like I'm doing an improv class. And like a couple of dates I have here and there. And I was like, I think I'm going to turn into comedy. I think I could make a living over this stuff. And it's like, pull that way to a living in home, my folks. And it's like, I might have pulled that a little early.

1:46:22But, you know, but that's the way you do it. Yeah. You'll find jobs and things to do to make money while you're struggling. Right. But it's, if you, if you have a net, you'll fall. Right. You're right. That's, you gotta, do you have to be 100 % all in? Because in the beginning, like in the first days when you and I knew each other, we were just like kind of opening acts. Right. Which is like, you're not really making much money. Right. Maybe you could headline some old scrub room in the middle of nowhere. Right. Make a couple hundred bucks at night, drive to Connecticut. You know, so it was a precarious.

1:46:56Like, who knows what's gonna happen? I could fall, but we all knew guys who fell apart. It was guys who were like headliners, who were big comics and they just fell apart. They fell apart. They couldn't, they couldn't handle it for every reason. It's weird, fear of success or just like whatever it is. It just didn't know how to go to the next level or. I think for them, it's a lot of that they didn't have community. I think back then, even more so than it's a problem now. It was way more of a problem back then because everybody was in competition with each other. Nobody looked at other people like other people that are just like me that are out there doing great and so that's awesome for everybody.

1:47:31Right. Back then, like if you and I were friends and there was a tonight show host spot available and they were gonna talk to you and they were gonna talk to me, we gonna be friends. Right. And like the people would like turn on each other. They would backstab each other. Like the famous David Letterman and Jay Leno things. Leno's Hikein and the Closet. Yeah. Listening to, yeah it was like they were in competition with each other. Did you have a group of guys in Boston around you? Like when you first started or no was it just you? Me and Fitzsimmons were always tight. Right. And we started out literally a week apart from each other in open mics.

1:48:06Right. And then Chris McGuire was always tight with Chris and there was a few guys from that era that I stayed friends with that we did a lot of road gigs together and we were tight. And that was real fun. I mostly Fitzsimmons because Fitzsimmons was a good buddy and we did a lot of gigs together when we were starting out. We drive to Rhode Island for free. Yeah. And just to open mics. I drove to Allen, Pennsylvania for, I mean like 20 bucks. So I remember like I go, this is cost me more than tools. Yeah. I was like, but I'm went. Yeah. But that's the only way to do it. You know, you have to put in those hours in that time and you have to be, and if you're with someone else is also doing it, it makes it way easier.

1:48:44So yeah, it made it easier for sure to be friends of Fitzsimmons because we were both doing the same thing at the same time. Yeah. But there wasn't a group like we had in LA. In LA, that was the different, that was a different thing. That was a real brother and sisterhood. Like it was like everybody was like so tight and everyone was so supportive because it coincided with the internet. When the internet came along, then instead of everybody being competition with each other for a sitcom or a TV show, now everybody was on each other's podcasts. Right. So now it was only beneficial. Yes. It was like if I could do shultas podcast, that would make my Netflix special get more people to watch.

1:49:25Right. If I could go do this, it would do that. If I could do all these different things, it would actually promote stuff and it would make it bigger and better. And then it was like everybody's podcasts grew because they were on other people's podcasts and no one suffered. No one suffered. There was no negative, like of all the people that I ever had on my podcast that went on to do podcasts and tour and do a read is, it only helps. It only helps. It never hurts. It only helps. It helps them. It helps me. It helps the audience. It helps every helping them is insane. I mean, look at the careers you've built from this.

1:49:54And then I just exposed people to talented people that already existed and that benefits me. Absolutely. 100%. But it's like you're given this platform and it does. It grows because then they're able to do it and bring up other people and you know, and then other people are seeing that and they're applying that in their own lives. It definitely wasn't the case. The back of the day I felt like I had my brother Gary and rock and Adam Ferrara and Richie Minerva. Like we had this tight group that we would look out for each other. Those guys, you know, we would try to do that. But other than that, it was backstab.

1:50:27It was like they were just trying to get in the way and don't tell this guy about this audition. It's like, I hated that. I hated that. Well, that's why I love hanging out with you and Ferrara and you know, it's like you could find good dudes and you all hang together and all enjoy each other's success and do shows together too. That was the most fun thing when you and you guys have a boy together. Wasn't that the best? Oh, I love this so much. We had so many fun gigs. It was such a good time and it just to be on the sideline because you're one of those guys that if I'm laughing hard in the room, you go crazy.

1:51:00You can do that. You build me up. You are. You are the hype man. You'd fire me up and we'd. Well, I always knew you at your best. Right. I always knew who you were. Like if we were just at a bar and you start going off about something and we're crying laughing. You had this ability to get fucking furious about something in the most hilarious way and I was like, you gotta bring shimmy out. I know. You gotta bring shimmy out on that stage. You were like one of the few guys I'm telling you and Sam are guys that believe in me more than I believe in me. You know what I'm saying? It really, I mean, it's amazing.

1:51:34Your special quality is to be comfortable around your friends and then that's where you show your full potential. Right. And then it's up to your friends to say, you gotta just carry that with you on the stage because that's you at your, like the bit that you do about pulling up to the curb and the lock cancel is out with the girl. That's a full shimmy bit. Yes. You got me. You built it. You like, you gotta go nuts with it and I was like, you get more and more and the adding it. And going, I literally jumped in the audience during, because you got me, like that was it. When we were up at the Montreal, you like, you gotta go shimmy and I like went nuts.

1:52:13I literally jumped on some guy in the crowd. I've never done that before. Ever. I freak this was like, you know, but that got me my deal. That's literally being that nuts, you know. Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome. But that's you at your best. But sometimes, like that's, you know, sometimes we need a coach. Right. He's known as you need a hype man. But my friends do that all the time. We do it for each other. They do it to me. They'll say, like, Tony last night, we're going over a bit. He's like, I really think that when you're saying this, maybe say that first. Right. I was like, damn, maybe you're right.

1:52:45Right. And every now and then, someone will see things with fresh eyes and they gotta pull you aside and go, I think you should do it this way. And you're like, ooh, I like it. Let me try it. And I'll try it the next show and like, oh my god, you're right. That's it. I love you. I love that. It's a comfort level. It's a comfort level. When you're comfortable with somebody and you get past that, you open up and you try to and you know each other. That's exactly what it was. Like I said, we would go out and do these things and that would be it. You would give me these things and get me all hyped up and it changed who I was.

1:53:19It changed what I, again, that comedian that were standing up there in the middle with the mic standing and he like, you were just that guy to me. You were that guy that was just like, you didn't care. And I was like, I want to be that. I remember one time we were at one of the improvs, the brain improv, one of those improvs. And one of the fucking guys was working the sound and put his goes, what did you do to him? I go, that's him. That's him. That's the real shimmy. That's when it comes out because you were just going nuts. You were just going nuts. You're like, I do. He goes so crazy when you're here.

1:53:51That's him. That's me. I need you in my life that way. Like I need you to do that with everything. I'm telling you, that's what I miss when I'm on my side. Again, my own captain, I go off the rails. I'll start overthinking things. And it's like, you know, that happens with fighters too. I'm sure. Yeah, fighters decide that they're the boss. And then they don't have a guy like that having with Tyson. Like Tyson was with customado, customado died. And now he doesn't have a boss anymore. He doesn't have the alpha. He doesn't have this, this, this, this, this, this wise person who's overseeing all of it going, no, no, no, not this, this.

1:54:27And this is why, this is why you have to approach it this way. Like, yeah, this is why. Like sometimes people need a coach. You need, you need, you need someone around you who knows exactly what's going on. I don't care if it's you. If you're like, I need it. Like if I'm writing a movie or writing, do whatever it is, I need people to say, hey, you want to see it. You're, you're in your own head. Everything has that same flavor. Like I'm always like, ah, we're writing the same type of movies in this, that because I'm controlling everything. And sometimes I got to relinquish that control. Let someone else say, you know, believe me, trust them.

1:54:57Just go with it, you know, and I struggle with that. Cause I'm like, no, no, no, no, you know, right. Right. Right. And that's, that's the key to it. I could see that in the fight game. It must be like, you know, where I take over and I know better and I got to switch camps and do all this stuff. Or especially if you're the champ, right? If you're beating everybody and you think like, I'm fucking everybody up because I'm the best. And then your manager is like looking at club or laying in hockey. Right. Right. Like, no, this fucking guy is doing the real thing. Right. You better watch out. You're in trouble.

1:55:23You don't see this coming. Yeah. You have to have that guy around you. Otherwise, you'll be delusional and you wind up like with a flashlight in your face. That's right. That's right. And, you know, they're wheeling you around a stretcher. That's a thing with success. Like, and also the part of success is the get successful. You have to get really uncomfortable. And once you get to a certain level of comfort, you're, you're like, I don't want to be uncomfortable anymore. I did all that in the, but that's over. I'm done. But the only way you keep getting better is to be uncomfortable. That's it.

1:55:55That's the ice bath every morning. That's literally going, you don't have to do this anyway. Yeah. You know, it's like, why? So you got to build up the boss in your head. Like, I made my own coach because I realize there's not going to be enough coaches around me. Like, I had coaches when I was doing martial arts. I mean, there was a giant factor for me that I went to that. Jay Hunt, Kim, Tyke Wando, is a boss in which was like one of the best, best gyms in the country. Right. Just got, just dumb luck happened to be there at the right time. But once I realized, you're not going to have a coach everywhere.

1:56:24Like, you got to be able to coach yourself. Like, I write out my training routines all myself. I write them out. So I know what I have to do. And then I just do it. I found an old journal like when I was literally, I did karate for four, I don't know how many years it was, when I got to like a brown belt. You know, when I was in high school and stuff like that, or a little, just as, I guess it was ending, and maybe it was just going to the college. I was by a brown belt, but then I never felt that we had a guy named Al Wilson in our school who was a boxer. And I was learning all the karate stuff.

1:57:01And I was really good in, you know, I had these, you know, the moves and stuff like that. And the katas down like crazy crank them out, like rip them, you know, like really powerful. And this guy was just different, you know, it was boxing. And I like, I didn't have that. So I never had that confidence even then. Like, as a brown belt, I was like, I need to know something. Like I gotta learn. And it really, you know, Boxing's an eye opener. Oh my gosh. And wrestling, you know, it's like all these things. That's what I'm saying as far as that stuff. It's like, there's a too big eye opener. Especially if you think that you know how to fight because you know how to do karate.

1:57:33And then somebody he boxed it, somebody like, oh, this is a totally different thing. I gotta learn this now. Learn it like I learned everything else. I remember when you took me to, when we went to Beverly Hills, Jiu -Jitsu, I remember probably the first class, a guy grabbed me and held me just against his chest. And my face was in his, in his ghee. And I couldn't breathe. I didn't know what to do. So I reached up and I was like grabbing his throat, which you know, but I was packing. And he was like, whoa, you know, whatever. And I was like, oh, I didn't know. I just played it off. But I was gone.

1:58:03I was gone. I was gonna tap from a chest. Yeah, people do that. And black belt, I'm just. I do it all the time. It's a smother, smother choke. Yeah, I can't, I can't do that. Like, people smother tap people. Like big guys would get on top of people and talk them in between their packs. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm out. I feel like I'm drowning. I'm not. Yeah, yeah. It's scary. It is scary. But if you can learn defense of that, then you're always gonna be safe. That's the thing. It's like if you can just figure out how to defend yourself in those positions, just to stay alive. And it's the worst feeling in the world.

1:58:35To be trapped under someone for five minutes whether trying to kill you. But if you can develop enough confidence that you're safe no matter what, that's when Hicks and Gracie always said. He was, I am always safe. He was always defense. My defense is perfect. I am always safe. So he'd never worried about being tapped because he was always putting himself in these terrible positions. He would have black belt start on his back with a fully locked in rear naked choke. That's where you have them start. That's, yeah, then you're not afraid of anything. You've been there before. You've got defense.

1:59:07Yes. Yeah, you got your defense. If I applied what I think about all day long to actually practicing it, I don't, but I think about it all the time. You got to build that coach up in your brain. Dude, I would literally look up things and I would watch everything and be like, I saw Eddie Bravo once say, or I heard that he said, I won't even teach anybody until you can do the butterfly. You can get it to the, you know, to your knees to the mat. And he was like, No, he said he can't get a black belt. He said, what it was? You can't get a black belt until you get your knees to the mat. Oh, okay. I thought he was like, oh, I took it that way and I'm like, I started pushing, but then I faded.

1:59:44I got it on the way. He gave up on that, by the way. Oh, did it? Yeah, he gave up on that. Because he realized you could be a black belt without putting your knees to the mat. Yeah, because I can't move. I can't move. It's just Eddie has a very specific style and it's super effective and it's very dangerous off. He's one of the most dangerous guys ever off his back. And so he developed the style based on flexibility and movement. And I could always do that because I was very lucky that I, you've always been flexible. Because I did talk when I was really young and I always stretched. So I didn't have any problem adopting his techniques, but a lot of people did just because of the dexterity issues.

2:00:19I would think like, because that was like the rubber guard and stuff like that, right? And it was like, I was always a big guy. So I didn't know whether in my head I would go, I shouldn't train this way because it's not my style of fighting or whatever, or should I be a big guy that can do that? And I would go back and forth, go out there. And you know, some trainers would be like, you know, you shouldn't do this, you know, don't waste your time doing that, you'll never do that. And I'm like, well, what if I'm, you know, nothing's scarier than a heavyweight that can move around and be like that?

2:00:48You know, I had to wait to get fight off his back because one of the most dangerous guys. I can't, I can't. That was always no garris, like big thing. Right. Because Minotaur back in the day when Minotaur was the pride champion, no garris was a lethal black bell off his back. So these guys are so used to wrestling guys and taking them down, but you get taken down, you're in no garris guard. You're right. You're in trouble. Fabrice Overdoom, he tapped all the greats from his back. Fabrice Overdoom, he tapped Fador from his back. I mean, come on, man. Fador from his back. That was, he was the first guy to be Fador.

2:01:23And everybody was like, holy shit. And the way he did it with just pure Jiu -Jitsu, he got him an armbar triangle combination. He's like, this is a checkmate, motherfucker. Just slap that down like, boy, Fabrice Overdoom had the most wicked of all guards. He tapped all the greats. He tapped Kane Velasquez, he tapped Minotaur, he tapped Fador, he tapped like some of the greatest of all time. That guy tapped. Off his back. That's crazy. That's what I have to, I literally, I have to get back to it. I really gotta get back to it because that fear of those positions that you just don't wanna ever get into the suffocation that's just in that.

2:02:03And every time I start up again, I hate the warmups, that warmups. I'm like, you know, I'm doing these like crab walks and stuff like I'm like already out, you know. But it's like, I have a guy that Widen hooked me up with. I was gonna go to Sarah, because Sarah's out there, it's great Jiu -Jitsu. But for some reason, Widen goes, go to this guy, he'll be great with you. His name's Derek Mangy, he does monster Jiu -Jitsu, but it was like an hour away from me. But he's the greatest guy. And he comes to my house and he trains me and stuff and he's just a beast. But it's like, I've gotta get past, literally out of my head and go get in these positions.

2:02:40But when I train with him, he's so big, like I get on his back or whatever it is and he just gets up, it's like an apartment building, just coming up. Like I can't even hold, you know. I don't, and it's so frustrating to me. And he's flexible and big and he can move around. And it's like, this is where I don't finish. I quit. I'm like, I get frustrated and I don't, you know. Honestly, the thing about training with someone who's really good, the problem is you're never gonna get good enough to tap them because they're always gonna be ahead of you. You really should train with people that are okay.

2:03:12That's the best way to train. The best way to get really good at Jiu -Jitsu, I've always said, and Eddie Bravo, you should always say this, is strangle blue belts. Really? Find people that could resist a little bit, but they're not really on your level. Right. Or just drill on them. You drill on them. And that way, then when you get to brown belts and you get to black belts, you're sharp. And you have all these reps of finishing the technique. All these reps of closing the technique. Do you recommend drilling drilling drill? 100%. Drilling is almost more important than anything. Really? Yeah, because it solidifies the move in your head.

2:03:44When I got really good, the best I got at Jiu -Jitsu when I went from blue belt to purple belt was when I was training with Eddie. And we were drilling all the time. We were drilling multiple times a week. So we get together and we would, for an hour and a half, we would just drill. And it sucks. You don't want to. You want to roll rolling. It's fun. It's fun. You know, it's like you're playing a video game. But if you can just force yourself to do the work and do a lot of drilling, your technique will get really sharp. All the best guys drill. They drill all the time. They do either live drills where you all start from a certain position or they'll do drills.

2:04:20Will they go for a specific path? Like Eddie was big on going over paths. Like I want you to do this. You pass the guard. He goes to block. You set this up and then you counter with that. And then we would drill that very position over. So then when that would come up in training, when you would go to pass and someone would block and then you would take their back, it's like, oh, it's just, it's all sinked in to your nervous system. So when you're, and that enables you to, when you're in a position, to think two or three moves ahead. And you're not going to get that if you're training with some big black belt.

2:04:52You're not going to get that. You're never going to get to the point where you could do that to him. It's not going to happen. He's great. It's not him. It's me getting. He brings guys. He thinks he lets you do it. Yeah. It's not the same. You got to be able to do it to someone who's not letting you do it and someone who you don't know. You know, that's the key. Once you start learning someone and you're kind of, yeah, you don't want to know them. Right. You want to be able to like, solve a human puzzle. Right. Some person is pulling on your shit and he's kind of freaking out. Well, that, it's the fear of it.

2:05:20Like I hate that. I don't like that. You love it. I hate going to a class where I don't know, first of all, I hate the gay. I hate everything. I suffocate in that thing. That thing is some hard, go no gay. Because then I feel like you're not learning the techniques. And then you are. You are. 100%. I have a black belt and gui and I have a black belt and no gui. I can do both of them. I've done both of them. I trained both of them at the same time. But one of the things that I did from learning from Eddie was because I was training so much no gui, but I was also training gui, I would go in and do the gui, but I wouldn't use it.

2:05:52I would let them use it on me. But I was just concentrating on overhooks and underhooks and I was concentrating on all the same grips that I would use so that I would never be deficient. Because if you get used to grabbing collars and sleeves and you get used to adjusting people with butterfly sweeps and stuff like that based on grips, the problem with that is all those grips go away whenever we're in slippery and it's just bare chest. So I was just all about clinching and I was all about a tight game. Right. I was all about learning what Eddie's moves were. And Eddie's moves were all overhooks and underhooks.

2:06:23It was all wrestling based. And it was all because of Jean -Jacques Machado. So our instructor, Jean -Jacques, his left hand, he only has a thumb. I know. He trained me a couple of days in and in, you know, when I was in my house, he was such a great guy. He's the best. He really is. It's when I look at these videos of, you know, where they take the gui, belt or whatever it is and underneath and wrap it around this thing and it's like, I always go, it's not that I can't work or whatever, but I always look for things that are applicable. Like, you know, I wanna be able to, you know, and it's like, to me, I can't do that.

2:06:56I can't, you know. So, but I always heard that for you to get better at no gui, you wanna train gui because it's like taking a bat and you know, swinging with the donut on it. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Okay. No, no, you wanna train, it's like, to get really good at racquetball, you need to play tennis. Okay. I just make any sense. Well, I got four massive guis if you wanna use them for something you could throw them over your couch or whatever you feel like doing because I'm happy to get rid of them. Listen, there's nothing wrong with the gui. The gui is still great and what the gui does do is it forces you to be very technical because you can muscle out of things.

2:07:28It's, you can't just pull out of stuff because you're trapped. So, you have to learn how to use the proper defense and also never let you get yourself into a position where someone's completely synched up on you. Like, if someone has like, like, there's certain chokes like a clock choke. Like, if they reach into your collar and they grab a hold your collar like this and then they get this arm wrapped around here, you're in a bad spot because then I'm gonna spin. Oh, gosh. I'm gonna go with it. And it's like a tourniquet, right? And it's terrible. It's a tourniquet. Oh, it's death. It's death. It's such a horrible choke to get stuck in.

2:08:04So, you just gotta, in those situations, the gui can be, like, if you're in a street fight with a guy who's got a winner jacket on. Some guys got a leather jacket on and he grabs you and you grab a hold of that collar and you pull to the side and you fish that arm underneath the shoulder. That's a dead man. Like, he didn't even know he's dead. He's a dead man. Like, if you get a hold of someone's leather jacket and then you get your arm under there and you get this like this, you're like, oh, son. You got him. You're going for a guitar roll. Right, right, right. I love that. Yeah, so this, like, a judo player fighting someone with a winner jacket, you're fucked.

2:08:45That guy's going to hit you with the world. He's going to spike you on your fucking head on the concrete and you're not even going to stop it. You're not going to be able to do a goddamn thing. So, it's good to learn the gui because most people weren't close. Yeah, I'm just going to go out churly from now on, like, just not even wearing anything. You can see he'll choke someone with a hoodie. Right. You get on top of someone with a hoodie and you get all up in here and you fucking. This is different level. This is not what I'm literally, I need to. Yeah. I've got to start. I really do. I got to do something because it's like, it's, there's nothing wrong with the gui.

2:09:19The gui's great. The gui's great. I still love the gui. It is so strange when you, it does slow the game down for older guys too. That's the one thing. That's where they keep saying, you don't want to go no gui because it's going to be, but it's like, it'll be a lot quicker. But I don't mind, I like that. As long as it's a guy in my level, it does slow the game down. But also to me, I just feel suffocating. Like everybody's always grabbing me and I'm like, I'm out. I'm like tapping like crazy. I'm like, I'm, you know, plus my grip strength. I ripped, first of all, toward this bicep, when I was, Did you get it repaired?

2:09:50Or does it just like, like my arm? This one happened, this one happened about five, six years ago, I was hired a personal trainer and she came to my house. Like I didn't know, she was like, almost like the crossfit person. And she's like, we're going to work on strength. And I never did lift it or did anything. And they started doing dead lifts. And she was like, just, I didn't even, literally know how to do it. She was like, showing me, and she was getting so excited, she goes, that's pretty good weight. Let's, can we bump it up a little bit? And it was like 135, 225, 275. And then she goes, can we go a little bit more?

2:10:23She put three, 15 on it. And then I go, and I got it. And she was like, can we go 405? Like whatever, she bumped up and I'm going, and I'm starting to feel like a little tired. And I go, I don't know, I don't know if we should do this. I don't know if this is getting me, but she was so happy. She's like, this is really good. It was like a personal bet. And I go, I've never done, I did 405. And I felt a little something. I got it. I just got it. And she was like, this is amazing. And then she said, can we go like 450? And she put out. Yes. And I went pop right away. I got it up for a little bit.

2:10:57And I just went, I felt, I go, oh my gosh. But it didn't, it was such a bad, it didn't tear away from the bone. It just, it was like, it looked like it was like chop meat. And there was a whole, it ripped a whole in the middle of it. Oh. So it was weird. It was like, the guy looked at it and he goes, we can't even do anything with it. So it's like, you just gotta let it heal. Does it still have a hole? Like when you flex? Well, you can't see this one as much. You can see a little divot. You see a little divot here. But then just recently, I did a movie, what's your idea? Is that I did that movie?

2:11:26I did a movie with him. And there was a lot of fighting in it. And I'm fight training with the guys. And we're rehearsing all the choreography and going through the moves and we did it like a lot. And it was the end of the time. They're like, he's like, do you want to run it one more time? And I was like, all right, he was just running slow. Just to get it, because I was getting tired and I had to go and double leg the guy or whatever it was. And I went into double legum and it was very slow. And he moved to the side and he went this way and it stretched my arm and it went, think I go. And they go, oh, that looked awesome.

2:11:58Awesome guys. And I go, no, no, no, no, I literally have it recorded. I go, something's wrong. I go, something's wrong. And this one, this one's bad. It's nasty. It's like, it's a Matt Sarah one. It rolled up on me. Ooh. And I got it checked out and they go, it's completely torn. And the guy was doing PT on me. This guy Yamato, he's awesome. Johnny Yamato, he's awesome. The guy did do PT and he was telling me, he's like, well, the good thing about it is, it's torn completely because it's not, you're going to be able to do everything with it. And I had to go into the movie so they go, do you want to get it fixed?

2:12:35You should get it fixed. And it was like one of those things where it's like, you don't gain that much strength. Believe it or not, the bicep doesn't do that much. The bicep itself, it's kind of like turning a key and it's like, that's where it'll be affected a lot, which it's, that's actually not that bad. Is it you get it fixed or not? I didn't, I couldn't because I had to go into the movie. I'll shoot the movie. Because if you do that, you get it fixed. It's the rehab is, like it's long. So I go, I can't do it. So they said, I go, can I get it done after the movie? And they go, you can't because it's a window of the muscle.

2:13:07Like if you don't attach it right away, it travels up. It won't take. Yeah. So I did it. I didn't do it and it's bad. And it still hurts. It cramps every time. Like I don't feel like I can do anything. I lost so much strength on this thing now. That's the wish you'd gotten the surgery. I do. I do. I was wondered about Matt's arm. Look at that arm. It's stronger. It doesn't affect him though. He says, you know, I think he says it's fine. But you guys get that one. That's a real common one. It's common with a lot of times when people throw a punch. Like the punch gets blocked. The bicep will pop and curl up.

2:13:41I've seen that a couple of times. Yeah. It's, this is ugly and it's bad. Remember Kyle Parisian had that hamstring? Yeah. Oh my gosh, did he? Yeah, he had a hole in his hamstring. His hamstring just ripped apart and it's shriveled up. And it always fucked with him like the rest of his career. Oh, it's in your head. Well, also one leg just was not as strong. Right. So as one leg was like always compromised. He should have had its surgery on it like right from the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, but guys try to rehab stuff. There's like that fine window that's small window between fixing something and not being able to ever fix it.

2:14:15Like TJ Dillish, I went through that with his shoulders. He tried to just rehab his shoulders and his shoulders wind up becoming chronic and now they ruined his career. Right. Yeah, any kind of injury to a joint, I always say it gets. Get the surgery if you can. If it's that bad, get the surgery. But also it depends on what it is. Like if it's a bicep, yeah, get the surgery. But there's certain things like stem cells might be able to fix that better than surgery. So it's like knowing where to go and who to talk to and what doctors have actually gone through this before. But you can't do that now.

2:14:47It's true. With stem cell or no? With the bicep? No. Yeah. Once it's shriveled up, it's shriveled up. Yeah. You have a very small window. I think a bicep, the window's just a couple of weeks. You get it. Yeah. Get it repaired like really quickly. I should have done it because I really think this sucks. It does. That's a bummer. It's slowing me down for sure. I tore my MCL getting on stage once. What? Yes. At Stubbs, it stubs in Texas. I was walking up to the stage. Stubbs is this outdoor amphitheater. And as you're turning the corner, it's these concrete stairs. But they're spaced differently.

2:15:26And so I was like, check, it was turning my recorder on on my phone and walking up the stairs being called up to the stage. And I misstepped and twisted my foot and it popped my knee bad. Where when I went on stage, my leg was shaking like I was nervous. I didn't stop. You didn't do this. I was in agony. Yeah, I just did my set. Oh my God. Yeah, I just power through it. But I was like, my leg is shaking so bad. It looks like I'm so nervous. Like everyone can see this. Oh no. But it was just pain. I should have addressed it. I should have said, I just blew my knee out. I should have said that. So like, people know what my knee is shaking.

2:16:02Because otherwise I was like, God, how do I stop my knee from shaking? Like, it's got a surface. Yeah, it shook for like the first fuck ten minutes at least. Did you sit down? Nope. Nope. You're nuts. Did my set. Yeah. It still went great. It still was fun. But then my knee was fucked up for a year after that. I had to get a bunch of stem cells. I got stem cells in it like three arms. Before finally guys at the point where it doesn't bother me anymore. How is it now? It's great. Yeah, now it's great. Now I can kick the bag. No problems. Wow. Yeah, I did a lot of knee over toe stuff too. That Ben Patrick.

2:16:32Yeah, that's stuff. Yeah, that's great stuff. That's a big game changer. I strengthened my legs quite a bit more since I did that since I had that injury. The Nordic curls and you know, the slantboard squats. I got that. That's sled too on the wheels, whatever it's called. The torus. Yes, it's just I just push it the light and then just walk back with it slow. You know, and just keep going digging in. Yeah. I feel it in my legs and it's great. The walking back is huge. That's such a crazy way to strengthen your legs to pull sled backwards. Such a good way to strengthen your knees. Right. Yeah, it just keeps everything strong and firm.

2:17:10Yeah. It's like, and as long as you stay flexible as well and in your strong, like you have stability, you have range of motion, but you also have stability. That's giant. That's key. I got it. I'm doing this movie now where it's me and it's an action movie. I'm going to literally leave it tonight to Vancouver to it's like a crazy action movie with and I wanted to get in shape for it and it didn't happen. So I'm like, I don't know. With next to this beast to Alan Richon. Oh, that guy for the rich. Yes, huge. That guy is huge. Oh my gosh. I was like, I got a train to get, you know, Ray, I'm like, nothing happened.

2:17:52And I'm like, oh boy, we're going into this thing. That guy is the perfect guy for that show because you know, they did that movie with Tom Cruz. And it was like the character was never that small, right? No. In the book, the character was this monster. Yeah. The character in the book was Alan Richman. Yeah. Richson. He's a rich son. He's a rich son. Yeah, really good. Look at this. He's a ridiculous. He's amazing. He's a house. That guy's a house. Great dude too. Yeah, it seems like a really nice, unbelievable. I've seen him in interviews. He seems like a really nice guy. Yeah. But he's the perfect guy for that series.

2:18:24Yeah. That they just, you know, Tom Cruz is the blockbuster boy. Yeah. Like, let's just do it with Tom Cruz. Like, but he's five nine. Right. Like, this guy's going to be a gorilla. He's going to be a fucking linebacker. He's a linebacker with a genius brain. He killed people. This guy's a person. Yeah. He's perfect for it. He is. But, uh, so I'm going to be doing action movie with him. Yeah. Oh, no. And just, just stark fasting. I just, I just, I was tied to him for the camera rolls. I just suck it out. I mean, it's, it's crazy, man. I, it's like fighting that age, but it's like, you're right.

2:19:00You look at it. Yeah. It's like such a difference. Now you are with what you do and what you've implemented. You're, you're, you're a different species. You and I'm telling you, it's like, I just stayed on it. Yeah. I just never let off the gas. Yeah. That's the key. But also being careful, like knowing like what's fucked up and what's not knowing, not to try to work through injuries, but to heal them and making sure that they don't happen anymore by increasing range of motion and strengthening things and just making sure your, your whole system is strong. Right. I do a lot of like non sexy exercises, like Turkish get ups and things like that.

2:19:34Right. They strengthen the whole body, windmills. Yeah. Those are the things that I like. No one likes to do them. And those are the things I, when I walk around the gym and, you know, do a couple of it, it's like, that's where I have to change my mindset to go, go into the places where it, where does it hurt when you bend, where it is, you know, the ankle strength, foot, you know, all this stuff to get, you know, comfortable in that. And it's like, that's the stuff that's so important. Turkish get ups. I hate everybody hates those. I don't like to do it. I don't, you know, just. So, you know, like bench press is cool.

2:20:06You know, you bang out 10 reps. Like, yeah, we did it. Turkish get ups. You never feel like you're done. So it's, no, exactly. Oh, it's hard. And everything's working. Your legs are working. It goes. Do you do a specific sets and, or do you, are you more like on your own? Just do a, like you go, I, I just going to work this area and I'm going to do as many as I just want to drill it. Or do you have like a set? I have sets. You do. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do like, you know, I do my warm up. My warm up after the cold plunge is always a hundred pushups and a hundred body weight squats. So that's the warm up.

2:20:39So that gets you going. That gets you warm after you've done the cold. So now you're heated up again. And then I do my second 100 pushups and a hundred body weight squats. That, that's more than my weak. Like, like, I even, this is your warm up. Yeah. That's the warm up every day. Yeah. That's 15 minutes. So 15 minutes it takes to do 100 pushups and a hundred body weight squats. I do those. And then I do swings. So depending upon whether or not I'm feeling good or whether I need more warm up, I either go with 50 or 70 pounds. So if I go to 70 pounds, that means I'm ready to go. So I do three sets of 10 swings with each arm with 70 pounds.

2:21:20And then I do a clean press, three sets of 10 with each arm with clean press. And then I do three sets of windmills with each arm. And then I do three sets of renegade rows. You know, renegade rows where you're like doing a pushup on the kettlebell. So you got the kettlebells two on the ground, same distance parts of your shoulders. And you do a pushup. And then in the lock pushup position, you do a row with one side boom. And then a row with the other side boom back down for a pushup back up, row with one side boom. So your core is totally engaged the entire time. You're in a plank the entire time.

2:21:57And the entire time you're either going down to do a pushup, you lock up. And then you're stabilizing yourself as you pull the one kettlebell up. That's core that's hitting everything down. Yeah. Boom. And you do that with 70 pounds, three sets of 10 on each side. And you get worn the fuck out. You know, so you're doing 20 reps every time I'm doing this. I'm doing 10 reps of each hand. So I'm doing that with 70 pounds. And so I do three sets of those. And then once I get done with that, then I usually either do the sled or I'll do something else. I'll do like rounds on the bag. I'll do like something else.

2:22:35And is that is that time? Then all that stuff tours in there? You just know I like to give myself time in between sets because I want to be fully recovered before I get into the set again. I don't believe in I follow this Russian principle, this, this strong first principle, which is you the most important thing is how much weight are you pushing in for how many reps? And it doesn't matter if those reps come over five minutes or they come over 20 minutes. And it's probably better if they come over 20 minutes and over five minutes because you have a lot of time. I'll take five, maybe even 10 minutes in between sets.

2:23:12So I'm fully ready to go. And then when I'm doing the clean press with 70 pounds and I'm doing 10 reps each side, I'm no problem doing that. I'm not fatigued. I gum fatigued. It's it's difficult, but it's not where I'm like at the point of failure. Ever if I if my point of failure was 10 reps, I would do five right and then I'd wait a long time and then I do another five. That makes sense. Yeah. So I'm getting you never you're never getting to that point where you're pushing yourself to the point where you're can hurt yourself or never never never. That's all I do. I don't lift anything heavier than 70 pounds.

2:23:48That's the heavy to right. You don't need to people think you do. I mean, it's one thing. It's what you want to do. If you're a power athlete and you need to do cleans and squats and deadlifts, that's great, but I don't need to do that. I just keep my body strong. And then I do my endurance work. My endurance work is either sled pulling or it's tabatas on the air bike or it's rounds on the back. And then I get in the sauna. And the sauna's that's that's the seat going there right when you're tired. And you just step in that 195 degrees. 195. It's in there for 20 minutes. What's your cold plunge at?

2:24:2234 degrees. I would have a heart attack. It's constantly. I have mine ready. I have one. And it's 50. It was 52 degrees. It was 52, which was I was shaking, man. But I would like I would just go in there. I was in there for 15 minutes though. I would do that. You don't need to go that long. You don't need to, but you can do that if it's 50. Is it? Yeah. You can, I mean, it's probably giving you the same result. If you do 15 minutes at 50 as you're doing three minutes at 34, that's probably giving you the same result or similar result. The whole idea is you freak your body out and produce this cold chalk proteins.

2:25:03And how does that compare to the the the chamber one where you get the air? Is it just like a does that get you? You know the one where you stand? They're both they're both brutal. They're both brutal. I think I've never done cold waters a different animal though. It's getting your bones more right? You feel colder. Like when you'd get out of that the the cryotherapy machine, when you get out of there and within a couple of minutes, you're like, woo, you're okay. You get out of that cold water for a fucking half an hour. You're like, Jesus. Jesus. But that was the way I would warm up. I would just go right into the body weight squats and the pushups.

2:25:40So that was my way of heating my body back up after the cold. But don't you joints feel just frozen? No, no, you're all right. You're all right. I mean, it's body weight. So it's not much weight. So you just kind of push, you know, you could easily do 20 pushups. You just do the 20 pushups. Take a break, do the 20 body weight squats, take a break. Heart rate drops back down next set. 20 body weights, go out the 20 pushups next set. Do it. Do it five times. You've got a hundred. And then by that time I'm warm. And so then I'll do whatever the other workout is. Maybe I'll jump rope. Maybe you know, it depends on what I'm doing.

2:26:14Right. But I always write it out. If you write it, yeah, because if you write it out, you don't give yourself any room for fuckery. Because you know, this is what you have to do. It's all written out. Like that's the boss. The boss gets in there and writes it all out before the ego steps in. And they're like, let's eat them. I'm going to go once it's there. It's saying you have better workout if you have some fruit first. Let's go have some fruit. You get a better workout if you eat. All you know what? I have a window between three and four. Third, I'm going to really good workout then. And then right now I'll just go watch TV.

2:26:44That's me. That's everybody. But you just got to have that boss in your brain has to be in control. And once you get it, so dude, like that much, it becomes, it's not that hard. Right? The whole thing is momentum. The whole thing is doing is everybody that has ever had a good day. You have a good day where you really get your shit to start feeling good about yourself. And you go, the key is just carry that forward and keep going. Don't let yourself fuck off. And if you do give yourself a day off, recognize that just like an alcoholic, it starts drinking again. This could be a slippery slope. So if you give yourself that day off, be real aware of what you're doing.

2:27:23I'm like a self sabotage. Like if I go, I'm such a, I'll start Monday again or I'll start tomorrow that, that hope of starting the next day. I have it so much. I remember when I was training and the wideband said this to me, he goes, when you, you know, you're training and you, you know, get a flat, you know, you don't get out and flick, fix the flat. You get out and pop the other three tires. Like you literally do it. It's like once I go off, I go, ah, all right. I'm off. I'll start, you know, Monday. Yeah, I do. I crush it. Yeah, I do. Oh, man, I would love to eat with you. You know that. You know, but I'm saying like, yeah, but, but you're right.

2:27:59And you can eat and do it in the right way. And I'm sure you enjoy food and it's just you got to, the boss has to be fully in control before you get a day off. Yes. And it is almost like sobriety in that way. Like you just, you have to get so much momentum that you're fully confident that you could take a day off and just eat ice cream. And there's nothing wrong with that. If you do have a hold of it, but even if that's, that's got to be tempered though. Like you can't, like I notice I can't, I can't do a day off where I'm just crushing myself. It's like there's no coming back. The day the next day you feel like shit, 100%.

2:28:33Yeah. You know, but the thing is you have gone on schedule and gotten in shape before. You have done it. So you know you can do it. So it's maybe even more frustrating than someone who's never done it. That's right. Because you have like dropped 60 pounds. You have gotten in shape again. And I remember when you were training mits with Delegrete. I was watching you hit the pads like, he fuck, when you got in shape for here, comes the boom, you got in fucking shape. And you were training hard. And I was watching some of those sessions. It's like, so I know you can get to that spot. Right. It's just like maintaining.

2:29:06I know. That's the thing is maintained. And now as I go, it's like God takes a little thing away from me. The bicep pulled now. It's like, you know, another new reason a little. Yeah. It's like, I got to fight it, man. And like I said, I'm teetering teetering between that. You know, I got to go back. I got to go back. And it's you're right, man. It's just kind of decide. And one of the best ways to decide is to write things down. It's so easy to just keep a thought in your head. And you don't really give it the, the, what it deserves. You got to write things down occasionally. You have to really do.

2:29:37And I write down my workouts. I have a big whiteboard in my gym too. Just put it up there, write it up. Just write it down before you do it and give yourself a realistic goal. Don't, don't be nutty. You point with the next day. You're going to be a dead man. Give yourself a realistic goal. Dolce has, he was get up, go for a walk. Just go for a walk before you know, whatever. And it really what happens is when I start walking, I'll start moving around. I feel good. I go, you know, whatever. And I start adding more, you know, and it's like my goodness. Then I start, you know, wanting to throw, I'll get to the egg weights.

2:30:05And I'll just start throwing with those and just, yeah, I love it. I really, you know, it's, it's something that is really addictive in a, in a good way that like you can, you know, once you start doing it and it's a little bit, it's the pressure of you don't have to do so much. Just do this. Yep. And then yeah, if you, your pressure is, okay, now you have to lift weights for now and then go to a 90 minute yoga class. You're on a marathon like fuck that. Right. It needs to be very realistic. Like, you know, we're going to start off today. You're going to do 20 pushups, 20 body weight squats, 10 cleans, 10 presses, you know, a couple of chin ups and then you're done.

2:30:41That's a wrap. That's a, that's 20 minutes, 20 minutes and it never be exhausted. And then take, you know, the next day you're going to do something different, but equally light and you do that for a couple of weeks. And if you write it all out, it shouldn't take you more than even 20 minutes to work out. And you can get through 20 minutes. Just write it all out. Make sure you follow it. And you know, one of the best things for me is I have a TV in the gym and I'll put fights on. So I'll be watching fights and get inspired watching fights and then you go through your routine and you're good. And as long as you write it out and if you write it out and you know, I know I wrote this down on paper, I have to do with this.

2:31:18It's committing to it. You have to do it. It's great. If you just hold it in your head, I'm going to go work out. What am I going to do? Oh, I'm going to fucking curl. Maybe I'll do some bench press. You need a structure. You're right. You can give it to yourself. You're right. That's awesome, man. I'm going to, I'll do it in this documentary and we'll come back and I'm going to show you that I'm sure. Next time you hear. I promise. You'll be looking for houses. I promise. Work out together. I love it. All right. My man. It's good to see you brother. I love you. And you know, thank you for doing everything you do, man.

2:31:46My pleasure. You're awesome. It's a lot of fun. It's great to see you out there killing it. I love it. All right. Bye, buddy.