#2123 - Gary Clark Jr.

25:54There's so many things to do. There's so many things to do in this life. Absolutely. There's so many things to get interested in. You know, how can you be bored? To me, it's like my problem is the total opposite. I just can't have more things that I'm interested in. Yeah. I like to get to a feeling where I'm bored or I feel like I have time to be bored because I can, you know, invest my time in certain things like photography or you know, it gave me an outlet to go chase something down. And for better or for worse, I feel like I'm like I'm learning a new skill, I'm challenging myself. I'm never satisfied.

26:40There's so much to know. There's so much to do. But I'm like a hands -on guy. So it's hard. If I'm bored playing guitar, I'll try to figure out something on piano. If I'm bored playing piano, like I have backpipes, I don't know why I have backpipes. But just in case I get the time to get bored, maybe I'll figure out how to play backpipes. Yeah. Just weird shit. Well, it's something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn't get excited any other way. Because once you already know how to do something then you're just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you're very Comfortable with it.

27:12It's a normal thing that you do But when there's a new thing it's like what how does this work? What's this lens? What happens when I turn to left? Oh shit, yeah, right and they're like okay, what is the aperture? What does that mean like what's exposure time? How much what is it so at nighttime you said it different? What the fuck is it? And then you start getting into the books and into the weeds and you know, I got like that with archery I nerded out hard in the archery. So I know so much shit about archery. But there's so many layers to that too. Like there's people that like my friend John Dudley, I'll talk to him about that.

27:43I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. Right. He's talking about torque lean and you know, torque setting bows and like what? Torque tuning what? I've got my brother -in -law's really into, I think I hit you up. And I was, when I was over there in Australia, He was like, oh, I hit up Joe and asked him what kind of balls he's using. But yeah, he's really into that. My mom's really into archery. Really? Yeah, my mom, my mom would have put you out there. My mom doesn't mind being in a smoky room. She started playing drums and she's in the archery now. Wow. She's out here getting it. Playing drums and shooting bows and arrows.

28:25Fuck yeah. Yeah, it's really badass. That's badass. Wow. Yeah, archery is an addictive thing too because at the moment when you're aiming at the target and you're at full draw, it's impossible to think of anything else. It requires so much concentration that the world goes away and you have this insanely narrow focus. The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go. All these different things have to be in order. your scapula has to be aligned. Your elbow has to be high. Your right arm has to be pulled back. Your left arm have to be locked and stabilized. You have to release your hand.

29:06So you're just pushing with the palm of your hand. No movement of your hand whatsoever. And then you have to relax the shoulder, somehow extending fully. And all the while you have to fight anxiety. Don't wanna pull it quick. You wanna make sure you just get it locked in there. So when all that is going on, There's nothing else in the world like if I'm I got a lot of things on my mind. I'm too busy I'm too this I'm stressed out I'll just go out there with some arrows and then within 20 minutes. I feel great Yeah My only time to think about other bullshit is while I'm walking over to the target and get my arrows Yeah, yeah, pulling the arrows out and then back to what I was doing start sprinting to that motherfucker Yeah, if I could just keep fire and talk, I'd never have to go get the arrows.

29:54Yeah, there would be no thinking at all. I get that. I can kind of relate that to playing guitar in a way. You can't, in order to, you know, it's kind of a precision that your hands got to work in sync and coordination and you got to be precise with it or else it kind of all falls off the rails and you can't really think about anything else. It's not like you can be on the phone and play guitar. It's like you can send emails back and forth. You can't really be in conversation with people. You just have to be locked into execute. You know, and you know what shots are better than the others. You know what chords are played stronger than the others.

30:34You know what notes are going to sting, you know what I mean? It's like that's the note, you know, bullseye motherfucker. Yeah. I can kind of relate in that way. You can't, you can't, it's like flow state. Yeah. Check out. You gotta be there. You have to put in 100 % or else you're not gonna be great. I think that's a lot of things in life. I think there's a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards because I think there's a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away. That thing could be golf. Look at this for Jamie. It could be anything. Whatever it is. But there's a real value in having a thing that takes the world away.

31:13I think so. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My name would have been... I had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn't found guitar at a young age, I think. You know, just being lost, confused. So many people out there. Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts, oh god damn. I have no idea what would happen to me. I was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn't a loser. I was like, all of a sudden I found a thing that I know that I can do. And if I just go all in. So, when that's why I have like this problem with the dictating, getting addicted to things. That was like the first one that I really got really addicted to.

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33:33Not immediately, but pretty quickly. I had an aptitude for it. I understood it. I understood like distance. I understood like how to hit things hard. And there was the exciting thing about it. There's moving targets. They're moving at you. You're moving at them. like this, like solving this puzzle of human reflexes and instincts and flinching at them and fainting them, getting them to react and then gauging what that reaction is going to be. Different ways to set things up is like it's so multi -layered and multifaceted. And when you're young, you're so fast. Like you can move so quick, it's exciting.

34:12You learn so quick too. You know? So it's just you see instantaneous reward. If you're learning something while your body is growing, it's the best because your body grows into these movements. So your body has like a built -in way of doing these things from it's like literally from the ground up. Once you're a grown man and you try to teach a grown man like kickboxing, let's say, Oh, okay. You know, you're just like so accustomed to doing certain things with your legs. You get these grown -ass 30 -year -old man legs, and I'm gonna try to teach you how to throw a spinning back. Yeah. I was like, you're a guy.

34:53Yeah, that's why I haven't signed up, yeah.

34:58It's worth doing it just for fun though. Sure. And that's another thing. Like when you're doing that, you're anything about, if you're sparring or if you're, you know, doing jujitsu training, You're not thinking about anything else. You cannot think about anything else. You're just fully locked in to this thing that you're doing. Yeah, that makes sense. Man, I wish I'd grown into my body while playing basketball because I'm six foot four and a whole waste of space. I have no skills. I have a 15 foot jumper that I'm pretty confident in, but I have no handles. I'm like, you know, I just, it's a waste.

35:38People ask me, you play basketball? Nope, didn't get that. And I tried, man. I tried. I had friends who had the shoes where you could, you know, like build your calves for jumping and I was out there doing those walk around with weights and all that shit. I was really trying to get there, man. Like, I got no hops, no court awareness. It just wasn't my thing, bro. I'm like a deer and headlights on the basketball courts embarrassing, but Yeah, I'd so I try and get out there with my kid now. He plays basketball and I'm I'm struggling my knees are popping 40 -year -old reality. Yeah, they're like damn.

36:19I didn't yeah, that wasn't my forte But hey and you can't be everything. No, you cannot be everything and if you try to be everything you'll be nothing I I agree. Yeah, and you just, it's not, you gotta pick lanes. Sure. You can have a couple lanes, but you can't have too many. And each lane will take away from the resources that other lane has available. I agree, I agree. That's what I try and tell my wife all the time. I can't focus on that right now. Yeah. Trying to stay in my lane. People don't have to do that, don't understand it. Like sometimes people come to me with like business stuff I'm like this is not I can't talk right now.

36:59Yeah, I've got shit going on. Sure. I'm busy Yeah, let's talk about this when it's absolutely necessary and never a minute before that part Yeah, say it again loud for the ones that didn't have the volume up Yeah, eventually we could talk about this but not now seriously, man I'll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show This is so crazy that you're doing this like you don't even understand what you're doing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, really. Yeah, that's one of my biggest issues with doing shows. And there's like some sort of business element involved. Because when you're out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever, there's not that, those conversations, those talks, everybody kind of gets it, reads the room.

37:51when you have folks who come in and go, hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company. It's like the tour manager comes in and goes, five minutes, and it's like I'm trying to get my monitors on. I'm trying to get my voice, I'm trying to, and they're just selfish. Yeah, this is captive, you're a captive audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, man, I'm not a kid though, fuck up. I finally got you alone. I want to talk to you about this crypto currency, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no thanks. But yeah, it's part of it, I guess. It's just weird and kind of funny if you think about it. It is kind of weird.

38:27What's all these different personalities are interacting with each other? You have the creative personality, and they have all the business people, and the people that are support team. And it's all this odd relationship, you know? Sure. Whenever you make business and art, there's just two totally different mindsets. Yeah, it's it's it's a North and North yeah, that's why people get real suspicious if an artist gets real business oriented Opening up a bunch of businesses and gets on business -y. Mm -hmm people are like, oh, what are you doing? What do you I want you be an artist? Yeah, right? Yeah Yeah, I like about you dummy.

39:09Yeah, yeah That's what I like about you. I like it. You don't know anything. I like that you're out there just being wild Yeah, have a good fucking time Have a bunch of people to do that shit for you man Don't be involved. That's the that's the scary part when they say I say and don't worry about that just being artists It's like nah motherfucker. Yeah, I'll be at your office tomorrow early in the morning Let me see that's what's going on. Yeah, well, that's it true. That's a that's a story is old -as -time the artist that's been ripped off. I didn't even know they were getting ripped off. Yeah, it's definitely true.

39:44There's things that I've had to learn in the business, not to get into too much, but there's definitely things that you aren't looking for or looking out for and people don't necessarily tell you because you're not able to be in those rooms to have those conversations of things kind of slip by you. It's like you and your homies trying to figure this out. Yeah, it's like your boy who's an attorney, you know, wants a UNLV, but doesn't know anything about entertainment law. It's like, you know, doing your contract. It's like, oh, you know what I'm saying? It's like, ugh. Yeah. So there's just things that you gotta figure out, but you just gotta keep your eyes and ears open and ask questions.

40:30The worst one is when someone has a label legit manager and then their friend is like bro I could be your fucking manager. Uh -huh. And you're like yeah man you know you're like a brother to me man. I trust you. Right right. Yeah that's that's that's that's that's that one goes sideways 50 % of the time. That's it. Five zero you got one one out of two chance of that thing going completely sideways. Yep, absolutely. And so many guys go that way. You know, oh, Mike's managing me now. I got a new manager. Yeah, right. That's my wife, my wife's managing me like, what? What are you doing? Get a professional.

41:10Yeah. Get so do those, the fuck they're doing. Absolutely, man. You do that, all that bro shit, you know? That, you know, things start to get funny. Mm -hmm. Yeah. That relationship starts to get funny. But yeah, I get that. That's a wild one. Man, speaking of entourage, I had to talk, I had to just tell him, my dad is gone crazy. Oh no. I love my pops, but I mean, he shows up to my shows and this dude, all the sudden, is sitting court side at Spurs Games. He shows up to my shows with like 30 folks, 30 deep. He's got a table with the Moody Theater. He's living his best life. If you just squatted up around town, get the talk to me about him all the time.

41:59My dad is out here getting in in Austin, Texas. It's pretty funny. Wow. But yeah, he's like, my pops is a superstar out here. That's awesome. Yeah, that's good. He's having a good time. Just having fun. Yeah, enjoying it. Yeah. You know, it's definitely enjoying having a kid who's known around town. Yeah. That's good. Oh, man, he must be so proud. But yeah, he's getting a little bit ridiculous. It's showing up 10, 15 deep. Oh, derives. Hit me up. Hey, man, can you get me into this fight? How many people you got? A couple. When Dave Roald, when Dave Spell came to the mother's show, he came with three SUVs.

42:42He had like three escalates, fill with people. Where did they come from? How do you fit anywhere? Oh, man, he's got family. He's got friends. Yeah, a fellow fellow comedians musicians like he just travels with people he loves it It's like a party everywhere it goes. I get that yeah I just and that it's a lot he hasn't managed well. He has good people with him He knows he knows what he's doing, but it's like the way he's got it set up is It's pretty fun. Yeah, it's all just every day's a good time get a get a IV Vitamin IV trip. Yeah I was around for that Yeah, we actually, yeah, yeah, it was definitely around for some of those fun times.

43:25This good hang with that crew. Yeah, but that's a good deal, those are on the rush. It's on the rush. I get that. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I could never be that guy. I like to roll solo. I like to just kind of be on my own decisions. If I want to give it go left, I can go left, I want to go right, I can go right. Yeah. Don't necessarily have to maybe that selfish of me and kind of a lone wolf No, it's probably smart because it gives you time to think I think the problem with Dave is he's so famous He can't be alone. Oh, yeah, yeah, you can just show up somewhere else. All of a sudden won't be alone It'll be a giant crowd of people.

44:02Yeah, absolutely That's just go crazy. Absolutely. I can't believe it real I get that I can take a picture with you and then I get the every now and then and do a place guitar. He's like, man, I've been watching you for, you know, it's not as a kid, or like really drunk. Like, older lady who wants to like kiss on me, you know, hang out, waiting for some to go, food or whatever. It's like, that's kind of my, that's my interaction. That's good, that's a good level of interaction. Yeah, that's a certain level, like a Dave Chippell level, I think it becomes unmanageable. Yeah, it goes down to the conversation we cat cat Williams about that like he asked him to come to the club He's like I don't do clubs like you guys are nervous being around all those people like they're too close to me I was like you got to famous.

44:52Yeah, you got to famous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He has to have an entourage Yeah, I mean I get that I get that that's so perspective that I don't know anything about yeah, I'm just speaking from a dude You know a small community of music folks. Yeah, you know, I can move around but It's perfect. Yeah, it's pretty good. Where you ask perfect. I know it's good But I want these people to buy millions and millions of rap at the Philippines You know at the same time right exactly. I think I've kind of you know Fuck myself. I was like I should've gone like the gorillas router and like daft punk or something like that Where you in a mask You could just show up anywhere.

45:35That's true, right gorillas can just hide. Yeah Yeah. Kiss had that forever. Sure. You know? I remember when Kiss took the makeup off, everybody was like, what year was that? Like the 80s, I think. Yeah. I think it was the 80s. It was kiss unmasked. Couldn't imagine. Oh my God. They used to be able to go around town. So they would go out and like they would like, I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher and he would go out when he put a bandana on like he's during COVID times. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So we almost got a picture of him. So this is like half blurry pictures of someone's side of their face, their hand up.

46:15That's all you got to kiss forever. That's cool. I kind of missed those days of that mystique. I have a comic for it. Is that real great? Yeah, see how he's wearing the bandana? That's how he used to go around town. He used to wear a bandana. You know what ridiculous that is? It's 1980? Yeah. I think that's cool. I was like going into high school and they did that. Oh, damn. What a crew man. They didn't get the love they deserved because people had already thought it was corny to have make -up on for some reason. They didn't have real hit records that were like, their songs didn't play in the radio that much.

46:53If they played on the radio it was rare. You don't think so? Well, I kind of grew up as a kid being a household name, aren't you? Yeah, well they were huge. They sold millions of records, they sold out arenas, but they weren't getting love on the radio. It was just fans, and there was a thing that, like, people would be embarrassed to be a kiss fan. Really? Yeah. Yeah. You'd be embarrassed other kids would make fun of you. Why? Because you like those idiots make a bomb to fuck as wrong with you. Well, we broke kisses, the shit. They don't even seem like a thing now. Now it's not. But you have to realize, like, in the 1980s, it wasn't a thing.

47:32Right, yeah, we would mock you that you're in the kiss Damn, and then they became cool again. They became cool again somewhere in the 90s when they started going on tour again with makeup Right, so they were gonna do like one last final tour. They decided but that was bullshit. They just kept going everyone doesn't last Last last last last. That's those marketing guys. I'll tell you what Gary Yeah, this is your final tour. This we're gonna say he doesn't have really final for us sell it as your final tour Yeah, we're gonna melt the shit out of this paper gonna love it and very excited to go see the last time Gary's gonna become a photographer He's just really gotten into photography and we're gonna have to respect that we're gonna have to respect these wishes But this is his last tour.

48:14Yeah, don't carry don't quit don't go into pictures Don't go. Don't go for talk of me Gary. Don't do it. But it's just. Kiss so kiss came back in the 90s and I want to see him with Kevin James. Me and Kevin James went to the kiss where they came back. We're like this is amazing. Is that in Hollywood? I think it was. I think it was in LA. I must make a great. It was incredible. It was incredible. With the makeup on all the shit. No, man. Those guys really turned rock and roll into entertainment. You know what I mean? Like it was every single aspect of the show from the costumes to the pyro, the time and the crazy antics to just, I mean, and then selling it like this big huge thing with the merch and dolls and the crazy shit.

49:07It was like, I mean, it was, they made it known that kiss was a fucking thing. And they had the fans I guess to push it but I they had a one hour long TV show I don't know where it was like a movie like a made for TV movie it was kiss and the Phantom of the park Like this is in the middle of it like three quarters of the way to the show the fucking power went on at my house I was like no I can't believe I can't believe it shut off. It's just the power shut off. I was like, this is so far. This is Kiss in the Phantom of the Park. It was like a real corny made for TV movie. How long were you waiting for this thing?

49:55What happened? Well, when you were a Kiss fan, first of all, you had to find out from like the newspaper. Oh yeah, yeah. Like how did you even know? Or you had to read the TV guide? Like what? Kiss has got a movie. And it was maybe the dumbest movie It's ever been made. It's pretty dumb. It's so dumb. And he like, look at this. He gets so corny. Oh, I mean, I might have to go back and watch it now. It's so corny. It's literally so ridiculous. It's so bad. So, so they're out here whooping ass? What are they? Oh, they were superheroes. They became superheroes for a while. I did not know this. Seasy cat, man.

50:35They are serious. And they've got guns. This is ridiculous. Oh, it was one of the dumbest movies it's ever been made. My favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit. This is so dumb, it might have been made by the Chinese. They might have done it to subvert American institutions. They might have done it to try to ruin young minds and just lower the standards of what acceptable to the point where, you know, they can invade. I mean, that's a power move for sure. That's what they're doing right now. That's a power move. Oh, that's what they're doing right now with TikTok. Man, I firmly believe that.

51:17Russia and China are just fucking us sideways. I'll tell you right now, man, I've been having conversations about, you know, music and sharing music and the way to be on this TikTok. Like, that's the way to like get everybody to this Crazy fucked up weird place. It's nasty in there. Well, it's something that people are not designed to manage. They don't know how to manage it. They don't know what that experience is. It's new to the human anatomy. You have something that you're staring at, that you keep in your pocket that carries 20 hours of battery life. They just flip and through things all day long, just giving a little tiny drip of dopamine every time.

51:57I'm not really, but not much, just enough to keep you interested. It is flippin' through that fuckin' phone all day long. It's changing the way people view things. It's changing what's acceptable. Yeah, absolutely. I've noticed that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while, because I was just in my phone. That was the only way that I was getting the information. I wasn't hangin' out with people. Yeah. It changes your anxiety levels. That's what I realized. I realized it changed my anxiety levels. I was not sleeping. I was drinking a lot more than I normally would just because I was like overthinking shit.

52:32Yeah, you know, that was COVID too though, the isolation. I mean, I'm not saying that this is what they did, but if you wanted to do that, if you wanted to turn a population into a bunch of cowards, one of the best ways to isolate everybody. You isolate everybody, get them scared, give them one solution to get out of this thing. Everybody else against that solution is the and they're gonna stop us from getting back to normal. Oh, absolutely. And that's, you could do that through social media, especially through Twitter, better than you can with anything. And it's just, it's a weird way to get information.

53:06You just say, I broke my phone once, I was in Hawaii, with my family, I dropped my phone, it just started making phone calls. Just, I would go look at this. I'll show them my wife, I go look at this. I hang up, call someone else. Hang up, call someone, just calling people. Wouldn't stop calling people. So I had to shut it off and I had to get a new phone, but it took three days for the phone to get there So for three days I had no phone because every time I turn my phone I would just start calling people. Yeah, so for three Whole days I had no phone and it was I was like, ooh, I feel so much better And then I and then part of me was like, you know what?

53:37Fuck phones. You just have a phone and have nothing out Nope, I went right back to it. Yeah, yeah Back to Instagram right back to Twitter right back to you to I know I'm right back to Google. I know Right back. I know I did the same shit. My person sends me a meme. Oh shit. Yeah, it's over. Yeah It's over. Yeah, you're back in the game, man. Someone says we have funny video. I got a sign back up for Instagram Let me see this. Oh shit. Yeah, I got you same problem. I got you same problem. I gotta just I have to Consciously just leave it. Yeah. Well, I have one phone that has nothing on it I've one phone that has no apps.

54:15Doesn't have anything on it. So if someone sends me, I gotta send a link to my other phone. Nice. And most of the time, I don't click that link. There's the hack. That's the hack. At least it's cut me back about 30 % for sure. 30 % of paying attention to shit. Unless someone says you have to see this. This is insane. No, okay. I can use that 30%. Yeah, I'll use it for my 30 % now. I'm gonna use that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That way also you can cut down on the amount of people that have your phone phone You got your phone and you got your phone phone. Yeah, the phone phone is like this is the one that like 20 people have That's the way to go.

54:52Yeah, I was doing that for a while when I was in New York. I was I Was doing that and then I just got I was wearing skinny jeans And I couldn't do the skinny gene to phone thing and wallet and my keys It was ridiculous. You'd accept the fanny pack in your life. Well, you'd look Oh, the satchel. I've showed up with the satchel. I'm converted. The satchel is the artist version of the Fanny Pack. The Fanny Pack is saying, I don't give a fuck. I'm not going to come back. It's like, I'm a dirt, I'm a loser, I don't care. I do not care. I'm not ready for that yet, Joe. Well in Texas, you see people can't Fanny Pack.

55:32A lot of those Fanny Packs have guns on them. Especially those big ones. Oh, yeah. I know where I'm at. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not. There's a reason you see that dude with a fucking bass pro shop hat and a fucking flannel t -shirt on. Yeah, yeah, that guy. Is that Fanny Pack? Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't try. Origin boots on. Yeah, that dude, there's something in that. That's a heavy Fanny Pack. I just see them cats and I just go. Yeah. Hey. Get out of here. Good day. That's what I see people out here getting in. I saw some dude getting road rage the other night at South by Southwest. Bro.

56:11Bro, let's go jump out of his car, ran to the car in front of him, started yelling at the driver. I was like, do not do that, sir. I do not want to watch you get shot. You got it. They got to be from out of town, because you can't do... South by Southwest? You can. Yeah. You can't do road rage here, bro. No. You cannot. You would know. It goes South too quick. People don't fuck around. They don't fuck around and they also don't know you. They don't know what they watch too much YouTube too. They're watching too much Instagram too. They're seeing all the fucking riots and craziness and people getting pulled out of their cars.

56:42Everyone's seen those videos of someone getting fucked up in some sort of a road rage situation. Any sense of a threat people are going. Hair trigger like real quick. Road rage in particular, because everybody's, people don't understand, I've said this ad nauseam, but I'll say it again. When you're in a car, you're hyper alert because you're going fast, there's all these things around you and you always have to be ready. So your brain is at a seven already. Yeah, so when someone cuts you off it's like motherfucker. That's why like on the street if someone gets a funny one the street it means nothing Because you don't have to worry about crashing Sure there's no fear of this person stepping in front of you means nothing right like I have no worry that I'm gonna Crash into this man in front of me and we're both gonna die right but when you're in a car and some guy changes lanes And finally you like motherfucker dude.

57:28What are you doing bitch? Yeah, you rolled down the world? Are you fucking idiot and then you see him at the stop sign you jump out of your car? Oh? Oh, dude, don't do it. Yeah, I'm guilty of, yeah, I'm yelling at people in my car. As long as you stay in the car. Yeah, I will motherfuck somebody with windows up. Yes, that's fine. But normal, that's normal behavior. And then I get to the light and I just give them a look like, you know I saw what you did. I'm just acknowledging that I'm not Down with the bullshit. Yeah, I just want you to know that I saw you. I don't know problems, right? But just check check.

58:12Come on, man. It's a come on man And if it's a reasonable person that person's like what the fuck did I do that for? Yeah, it's a reasonable person My favorite though is when they just keep looking forward. Yeah

58:26I know you could feel this. I know you could feel this Yeah, well, it's interesting watching the Texas culture get invaded by the California culture See it in how they drive. Yeah people that are cutting people off and you know rushing to nowhere You see it and how they drive. I notice it. I avoid I avoid certain streets. Yeah based on that Some like where the fuck did y 'all come from man? Well, that was South by Southwest Southwest basically like LA comes to Austin Yeah, you know, yeah Yeah, I stayed away for the most part. I had a couple of events during South Bob, but I love my city. But that shit has just gotten crazy.

59:13Those festivals are nuts. It's wild. I used to have this one parking spot that people thought was a handicap spot, but it wasn't. It was right on the line and I figured this out from years of spending way too much time wandering around on six treat And I remember one year they took that spot away and I was Driving around for like an hour and a half looking for parking Fuck this place man. It's in my city. Don't want I love you off to but yeah, I was like oh man the game has definitely changed While we were driving the club last night we looked up we saw five skyscrapers being built There's five skyscrapers right now.

59:56I know all those folks who are building on this stuff. I know them, they're like my neighbors and shit. So like, blow the city up and then come back to the country. But there's so many of them. It's garbage happens being built. It's happening. Yeah, it's wild. I've never seen a city grow like this. I haven't either. I haven't either. But I think it was inevitable. I mean, I think it was just one of the things. That's too good. Well, yeah. It's just too much of a gem. I blame you a little bit. A little bit. I'm responsible. I know I'm responsible for at least 20 or 30 comedians. Yeah, no, absolutely.

1:00:36Which is amazing because that's my favorite shit to see you guys being down the street. I'm coming. But yeah, the city has grown in a way that is, somewhat unrecognizable to me like everything that I kind of grew up on grew up with is you know all my spots used to hang out and are gone now and saw saying something to my old man the other day and he was like man shut the fuck up he's like I've been here my whole life and what do you think that I think and what do you think that I've seen it's just changes inevitable if you look at pictures from 1836 it's not the same spot right you know what I mean so It's just what's happening right now.

1:01:20It's a crazy time to be a part of it and see it up close. Cause I'm watching my little town seeing familiar faces all of a sudden. It's like there's new energy, there's new folks around. There's new business, there's a new business. Since here, it's cool and funny and funky. It's just change happening. I'm in the middle of watching it. Yeah. I was hanging out with Elon at the very beginning of the pandemic. I was never was scared to be inside and I was telling my plans to open up the club and all that stuff. And we were just talking about Austin. He's like Austin's going to go supernova. Yeah.

1:01:57He was right. Yeah, he was right. Yeah. Called it. Yeah, he called it. But it's still manageable. It's still like the traffic is nothing compared to LA. Man, I'm I I like it. I like that there's new shit here, you know, in the city that I grew up in, and you're looking for some excitement and it's like it comes to you. You don't have to go look for it. Yeah, I'm just getting my car and come see some new shit. You know, it's exciting for me. It's all my favorite stuff happening around here too. I think it's good. I think it's overall good. And also, I think that the people that are moving here are embracing this new life.

1:02:40They're embracing like it's a new city, it's a new vibe, new way of behaving, people are more friendly. So I think people adapt to that. When people move to an environment, they adapt to that environment. You know, they move to this town, they sort of take up the energy of the town and this town already has like an established energy. Yeah, I'm a little, I'm still concerned about the driving though. Because they're getting aggressive? Yeah. Different, they drive different. It's a little different. Yeah. It's a little different. Yeah, you move to a place that you love the energy, I suppose. Takes a little while to adapt.

1:03:22I'm just watching it happen. I'm watching it happen. It's cool to me. The tech people I worry about more than anybody. Because they're not artists. like the tech people moving here that what they've done to San Francisco Oh, those people with that those wacky woke ideas. I'm not even thinking about that. Yeah, that's a shit out of me Because a lot of them. I mean look at that giant ass fucking building that they built That's a Google building right or Facebook building which one is it? Which ones the sale that cool sales Google? They put a giant ass building right on the lake I don't even know if I noticed that it's a giant ass building right on Caesar's shoves But then they just fired like 15 ,000 people.

1:04:02So I think that place is mostly like vacant. Did they just overshoot? I think they overshoot. That's it. Oh yeah, that's a dope building. So I think they overshot and I also think the reality is AI is coming. And there's so many people that are working in tech that will not have a job in five years. The job will be nonsense. That'll be like, you know, asking a person to make steel beams in his backyard with a fucking hammer and a pot. Like, no, why would we do it that way? That's a stupid way to do it. We have steel mills stupid. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Why would I let you make your own girders?

1:04:47Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's dumb. It's dumb. It doesn't make any sense. Like, what we can do now, AI's gonna be able to do better, More efficiently, much quicker, cheaper, no hiring people, no worrying about insurance or any of that shit You have to worry about with people 401k plans. Yeah, all that shit's gone out of here And this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about when he was running for president and I guess it was 2020 He was talking about that And he was right. He was right that there's some things that are happening. Was that 2020 or 2016 with Andrew Yang? I don't remember 16 16 and He was very concerned even back then so this is eight years ago He's saying like AI is coming and when it comes that's why he was pushing for universal basic Kingston sorry 20 20 20 so that's why he was book Pushing for universal basic income.

1:05:41He was saying look there's gonna be so many people that there are no jobs Like if you're a truck driver. Yeah, you have ten years in ten years Everything will be automated. They're all be those giant electric trucks. They're all be run by computer They'll never get an accidents and they never get tired and then you never have to worry about them doing math and picking up hookers You're going crazy Fallen asleep at the wheel. Come on. I'm driving into a fair. That's what makes the best cops episode

1:06:13That's a world huh the truck driver world yeah, that's a world of wild folks Well, you know, we tour on buses and we got to Fuel up in the same places where they do and Yeah, it's a funky world out there funky world a lot of dudes on end fettamains doing 12 13 hour runs Just wide eyes huge pupils just cripple listen in the fucking conspiracy theories on the radio We had one of them drive us did you yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah crash the bus. Oh, no really? Yeah Yeah, well, not crash the bus, but like, kind of ran the bus into a... He ruined the bus. He was all duped up and super drunk. Oh, no. Yeah, we didn't realize he was going through any of this time himself.

1:07:04So we were leaving the gig one night and sure enough, he pulled the bus and crashed it into the gate. Oh, no. Had to grab this, motherfucker. So he was fucked up at the gig? Yeah. So he got fucked up while the show was going on? Yeah, I think it's tough. He just been going for I guess maybe a bender we had a couple days off. I think certain city Dude is just gone. I guess he just Got into it. It's a fuck it. It's a fucking button. What's that man? Fuck all this shit out of care Yeah, that's a danger right because you just trust in this dude and it's not you're gonna drug test him every day No, he's a driver you trust him.

1:07:43He's a professional. Yeah, he said he's got a resume people who have Recommended him for you know years and years and years. He does his job. You do your job. How you doing Frank? I'm gonna sit down the bus. Yeah, you know Frank is just Frank is on coke at the Keela Yeah, I bet at the hotel lobby bar just going after All day long wow. Yeah shows up. Hey rides here. Oh boy I got this. We just met him. I guess it's the wrong time. Yeah, he could have called him a month earlier. Everything would have been fine. And cool. Yeah. It's a bad thing. I forgot like Frank. But you know, I think about those truck drivers, man, and you know, bus drivers who drive it all funky, wear times and that, you know, to lonely life.

1:08:38Yeah, absolutely. To lonely life. If you have a family, too, you're sad. Sure. His family's at home. It's 12 hours of driving to get back there. And then you're only there for a little while. You gotta go back again. Yeah. Yeah, that's what kind of has been my problem with touring the way we've been touring. Is it being gone? Yeah. Multiple times. For a long period of time during the year. I only did that once. I only did the month thing once. Me and Charlie Murphy and John Heffron, We did this Bud like real men a comedy tour once. Mm -hmm. Well, we did 22 dates and 30 days And we're just out basically every night wake up in a hotel room where am I?

1:09:21Yeah, where am I forgot where I am and After that I was like I'm never doing that again I like Tom sigurra that crazy fuck. He'll do like 60 dates in a row He'll be gone for two months where as a show almost every night Yeah, and he's just going all over the place that his name the name of his tour is I'm coming every I'm just really, really, really, really, really, but you know, that's what he was doing. Yeah, literally everywhere, yeah, everywhere. I mean, I get that. I would love to do just a weekend fly dates, do stuff like that, but I got a whole band of production and my band is getting bigger and saw, you know, I've got to do it, but I decided this time I'm just gonna bring my family with me.

1:10:12And just, you know, having them grow up out on the road instead of... You did that for a while, right? You took your son when you were in Europe? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I took him out there. That's got to be a great experience for him. Yeah, it was great. It was great for him. That little motherfucker just, he didn't want to play guitar though until he saw Slash. I think I told you. He's like me. Yeah, but, yeah, so I think I'd rather have them come out and hang with me this time. Yeah, that's safer. It's like more fun. You don't you don't get a sad lonely and they don't feel weird and for them It's an experience like wow get to see what dad's doing.

1:10:43Yeah, yeah, instead of just like FaceTime in them right Yeah, you know and picking up weird lingo from their Funky ass friends at school What the fuck did you just say to me? Yeah, you just call me Brad

1:11:00Now you're coming with me Yeah, my kid started saying cap, cap and no cap. I was like, what? What is it? Yeah, yeah. What does that even mean? I don't know where that come from. I don't know. I don't know either. Times are a change. Times are a change. But yeah, it's, that's a better way to do it. But it's a different thing with a band, you know? You have a whole band. You have a bunch of other people. Like, you know, the crazy thing we were just talking, I was talking to Shane Gillis and he was talking about his experience hosting Silent Live. and he's like, I don't know, I have only paid you $5 ,000.

1:11:32So you host it for a week, it's $5 ,000, we're like, that's crazy. But then I talked to Pat from the Black Keys and he was telling me, he's like, you wanna hear it even crazier. He was like, when you do a late night show, it costs you money. Cause you gotta fly everybody out there, you gotta band, you gotta hotels, you got this, you got that, like it costs you $50 ,000 to do a late night show. Yeah, oh, absolutely. I just did I just did that a couple times Yeah catch me on Such and such yeah watch them shits by the album. Yeah, it's it's it's funky like the whole promo thing and to do late night television It's How effective is it now?

1:12:21Debatable I don't know I don't I don't know how effective it is It's not what I used to. I don't think so. I mean, from my experience, the TV promo, like certain ways that were, I guess, the only way to move, not as, it's not moving the needle as much. Maybe it's just for me as my personal experience. I think it's for everybody. But it's not really moving like it used to, but it is still important in some capacity. I don't understand it, you know? But I'm a fan, so I like to go play the late show with Letterman to go play the tonight show. It's like, that's a dream to me as a kid. Like I love to be able to do that, to be able to step in that building and play Saturday night.

1:13:18I'm gonna do whatever it is. It's like this thing, but it's, you know, you're investing in something where you're not really quite sure what the return is. Right. But still, you're doing it because you just want to do it. It's a cool milestone. Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, in a record business, people aren't really, you gotta be everywhere. Right. You know, and you gotta do that and also be your own promotion on social media, which is Oh, wild thing. You know, it's - And people are leaning on TikTok. I mean, I have meetings with folks about, you know, what's the plan? What is for strategy? What are we doing?

1:14:05Well, we got to get traction on TikTok. We got to do this. So I caught myself a couple times doing some goofy ass shit for TikTok. And I'm like, I don't like this, man.

1:14:17Like, this doesn't feel good to me. Right. It feels horish. Yeah, it feels horish. It feels, it's not in my character. It's not all this. Yeah. It feels fishy. It feels reaching. Yeah. It feels gross. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, well, this is kind of what's happened in the business. And I'm like, well, I don't know if this is, you know, and these are these debates, well, this is what it's going on. I'm like, that's why I'm going to go be a fucking photographer. You know, it's like, it's, it doesn't feel like it should feel to me. Right. It doesn't feel authentic. Not at all. Yeah. And then everything is, you can't film sideways anymore.

1:15:08Everything's gotta be vertical for that algorithm. Yeah. What the fuck are we talking about? Right. Let's talk about some music. I felt like James Brown in it. Isn't it weird that the shape of the phone dictated the way you hold it? It's wild to me. And that's what we're talking about in music business meetings. That's funky. Because remember before TikTok became huge, Andrew Schultz had that thing that he was doing on Instagrams like turn your phone sideways. So he was telling everybody, hey, turn your phone sideways. They turned their phone sideways and then he had it that way. Simple. Right?

1:15:42Simple. Yeah, but now became all about the reels and you got to be able to flip up from one reel to the next So now it has to be vertical and then it just keeps you going to keep you going Yeah, yeah, you're going to keep you going to keep you going What's gonna happen if those foldable things get adopted by everybody? Because I got I went into a rabbit hole last night. I got into foldables because I have one I have a Z -fold flip four whatever the fuck it is. What is that never used it? It's a Samsung This one foldable, it's like this, it could be great. I'll be watching YouTube videos much larger, but then you can, it's brick around your pocket.

1:16:15It's like, and it folds, it's weird. The whole thing is weird, but eventually, like I know a lot of people that have adopted those, because they don't wanna take a laptop with them, so they have to answer an email, they'll open up the folds. They can have a laptop set up basically in this 10 inch or 8 inch thing. Yeah. They've got this little thing, and then folds it, and then it's the size of a regular phone. So what are they going to do then? If that becomes like if Apple releases a fold phone, that's when it's going to take off. Because right now it's like, it's only Android phones have that now.

1:16:50And that's only like a certain percentage of the people, especially like people that are, you know, like most of the social media platforms are, they're made better on iPhones. like your apps are better. They're optimized for iPhones. So if they start doing an Apple foldable phone, I wonder if it'll be a different thing. You get to hold. Yeah, now you have to hold the sideways. Everybody's doing sideways now. I don't know. That's beyond my... But that thing is, though, if a thing organically becomes viral, like if you have a song that you put out and organically becomes viral, there's no better promotion.

1:17:26There's nothing better. Yeah, absolutely. Because everybody can share it. I go, oh, check this out. I'll share it to friends. They'll share it to their friends. They'll put it on Instagram. They'll put it here They'll put it there. They put it on Twitter and then next thing you know Yeah, but you never know what that you never know what it's gonna be here, right? You can't you know No, yeah, you have no idea. Yeah, it's a lottery. It's crazy Like some things hit and you're like how and then other things don't hit you like how did we miss this one? You know, there's a song that we play all the time I can't play anymore because of YouTube.

1:17:59Now we're on YouTube. This is Dude Johnny Thunder. He wrote this song, Amalive, from 1969. You heard this song? Oh bro, we'll cut it out. We'll cut it out. Jamie, play this song. We'll cut this out so that people YouTube just go look up Johnny Thunder Amalive. This is a 1969 song. What the fuck did they do to Johnny Thunder? How did that happen? What did they do to Johnny Thunder? I've never heard that. How did he not become a superstar? That's everything right there. It's everything that's rock and roll. It's amazing and it's 1969 that is and Johnny's not with anymore. He's gone So how did you find that?

1:18:38Brian Simpson Brian Simpson came into the green rooms. I do you got here this fucking song? Written by someone else Yeah, it's also on a like Mountain Dew commercial right? 1968 it was released. Whoo. It's in a Mountain Dew commercial mountain Dew's been listening to this podcast guarantee Thank you for sharing that man. That was incredible. How good is that song? That's like hearing hinders for the first time. Right, right. Like that's a superstar. Like that's not just good. That's that changes your feeling. Your skin gets goosebumps. Yeah, I was going through it. I was going through a lot of the thousand times.

1:19:15I still go through it. That was powerful. It's powerful. That guy should have been a superstar. Damn Johnny Thunder should have been the fucking man. That's like my new shit Is this another one? Tom Jones. Oh This is the other version is okay. Oh, I'm cool on this No disrespect but no disrespect the other version. I want that. I want the other version to be yeah Resonating the read that other version is fine if I didn't know that Johnny Thunder existed But the thing is if a guy can make a song like that if Johnny Thunder can make a song like I'm alive How is he that feel I feel like you just gotta get the right songwriters the right people with him and you got a Fucking superstar How did they fuck that up if I heard that once if I was like a music producer or an executive and I went to see this guy live And I heard that I'd be like sign him yeah, yeah, sign him He's the one man.

1:20:15He's the one. Yeah, that dude's out there. He's out there and No one knows that no one knew and this is That we found this Bob Dylan quote before I think what did he say? Bob Dylan who heard thunder's I'm alive on radio is asked for Rolling Stones John winner that year if he was impressed by Anything in the rock music scene and pointed to the song never heard of it either, huh? Well, I can't believe it everyone I've talked to I've asked them and they've heard that record It was one of the most powerful records I've ever heard. It's called I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder Well, it was that sentiment truly expressed.

1:20:50That's the most I can say if you heard the record you'd know what I mean Yeah, meanwhile No one fucking knew oh Samsung used it in 2015 Samsung using their advertiser for the Galaxy S6 Edge in 2015. It was also used in the soundtrack the 2018 film American animals Since the 1960s thunders continue to tour internationally, but is regularly appeared on luxury cruise ships Being in elsewhere. He's dead though, right? No He's still alive. I thought he wasn't around anymore. Gille Hamilton. His name is Gille Hamilton. He's 91 years old. Wow. OK. OK. I was under the impression someone told me he wasn't around anymore.

1:21:38Bro, let me tell you something. That don't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. That's like a comic like Kinnison doing that thing about starving children ad on television, you ever see that bit? It's a bit, Ken is another bit about starving children on TV. Like you're at home, just making your food, sitting down in front of the TV, and Sally Struthers on TV won't you please help? Yeah, right. And he goes, instead of sending these people food, sending them something like me, someone's going to go there and go, hey, we just drove 5 ,000 miles where your food is, and we realized that. We still know the recording that he might have, or not, there's much a few more, but it's still a thing.

1:22:18the seniorstory rhyme he was convinced to do like his first thing is Johnny Thunder.

1:22:31That's interesting. Don't hit quite the same. I was hoping for something. No, that doesn't hit the same. No, I'm alive was the song. You just need to get the right songs with the dude. But if he could do that, like that's he got magic. It's in a bottle. Now you got to figure out what's the formula? Like get some writers, get some really good songwriters, get sit down with that dude and let him go. Yeah, sometimes you just catch one. Sometimes you just catch your wave and you just go, man. Yeah. And you can't, you keep trying to chase that thing and you just never the same. That is the craziest thing.

1:23:08The one hit wonder. That is the craziest thing, because sometimes those hits are bangers. Right. Yeah, that's just one absolutely something you just catch it. I feel like if Johnny Dundin knew the right people He would have been huge He needs a you need a better PR team or something but even Bob Dylan in Rolling Stones talking about him and that wasn't enough What year was that article? 90s 60 or I'll see if it was that year. Oh, it was that year. Yeah, wow. I don't know. Is that a race thing? Well, Hendrix, you know, there's James Brown popped, like, just like, doesn't make sense. That guy's that good.

1:23:50That feels like that's transcendent music. That transcends everything. That transcends culture. Like, that's something that everyone will listen to. Maybe it was a little ahead of its time. How? How could that be? Because it just, it didn't, it maybe, but doesn't it sound like a hit? It sounds like you're hitting now. God damn it. I just sound like you hit back then But it probably sounded like what the fuck is that coming through the radio? I don't know man if you listen to piece frog. That's like the same time with the doors You know, there's like a lot of wild funky music that comes from back then, you know?

1:24:27Did that hit radio at the time? Oh, yeah Yeah, I don't know I don't know some things are just to miss one of my favorite artists who I think don't get the light that they deserve is a guy called Arthur Alexander and this guy was like Americana songwriting blues country all of it you know all of them great great songs great songwriting cool funky voice you know what's a song was she listening? It's a song called Anna the song called Go With Him. Um, um, try to go with him. Let's try that one. I think it's a song. Yeah, it's cut it out again. Yeah. That's a, that song's a flex. Think about what he's saying.

1:25:10That's a total flex. Go with him. If he loves you more, hey, I love you. But if he loves you more, that's a flex. That's why I know girls like that. That's a very needy girl and she's never gonna be happy. And you just have to say, hey, whatever you wanna do. Yeah, go ahead. I think you're awesome. Whatever you want to do. I think you're awesome. Yeah, but nasty though. This sum that you just can't hold on to. Yeah, you have to recognize that. It's true. That's the blues right there. Yeah. I was another one too. Shiggy Otis. I don't know if you know Shiggy Otis. No. Yeah, man. Shiggy Otis was one of them guys.

1:25:47He's like psychedelic rock, funk, soul, dude. Kind of. I found these guys on the same trip. my buddy Jay Molo, who was, who joined me at the time, was listening to this stuff. And it's just, like I said, psychedelic. I had of its time, I think, maybe 60, 97 -71. He put out a record called Inspiration Information. And it's just like, you know, maybe a chocolate, a couple bowls, sit back and you're going. Yeah, great artists. But I mean, not as powerful as Johnny Thunder. Like that I'm alive is. That's a classic. Yeah, man. Should be the artist. You get this mostly just from other artists that just tell you about stuff?

1:26:41Yeah, a lot. Yeah, that's kind of why I like to move around a little bit. I'm still of old school, hanging out at the bar. Yeah. You know, hey, what are you into? I've been checking this out. Check this out. You know, I still go into record stores and Just go ask what do you all like? What do you all listen into like just turn me on the sun? I don't care So I'll be like, hey try this So I'll try it and neither I love it or I don't you know, but Yeah, I'm just curious. Well those bar conversations are underrated Absolutely. Yeah. I mean the best. They can be the best or the weirdest and it's all of it.

1:27:21It's an experience. It's an experience. Wow. That's what you had going on in there. I'm sorry. I asked. My problem is I go to bars and everybody wants to talk to me about conspiracies. They want to corner me. Tell me about the government. I bet. Do you shake out of it? Sometimes just get in. Yeah. Just jump in with them. Oh yeah. Let's go. What do they think they're doing? and how come Trump didn't release the Kennedy assassination files? That's the big one for me. Yeah, I got a couple of people around me who get in deep with that and I just have to, my brain hurts, I have to get out. That one's crazy.

1:28:01Smoke break for me, that's the time of this. They killed the president. Absolutely. And they got away with it. And one of the guys that probably killed him was on the Warren Commission. Alan Doles. He's probably one of the guys involved in the whole conspiracy. There's so many people involved in that conspiracy. They wanted him gone. See, I don't follow that. You don't want to. You don't do it. Yeah, that's probably one of those things. It's golf. Yeah. Yeah. It's worse because it affects everything in the world. And you realize that the world is run by psychopaths. Yeah. I don't know if I want to know all of it.

1:28:39Well, you know, it's like a bouncing act. She probably know a little bit. Of course. Just so you don't get sucked into the bullshit. Right. Right. Absolutely. I mean, I, like I said, I got folks around me who keep me kind of in the loop a little bit. Mm -hmm. You didn't dedicate a conspiracy analyst. Just one. It can't come from it. It's just one source. Just one dude. He's just a scour in the internet. All right, yeah, well if you find somebody send them my well - Jones out of your number Just call them up and just let them go for what's going on Gary. This is a very scary time Yeah, you if you if you do go too far down that rabbit hole though that is no end to that hole Thought a hole goes to the beginning of civilization.

1:29:26That's what's terrible absolutely You know that the idea of what human history really is versus what human history would actually happened and what actually motivated all the things that happen. It's fucking terrifying. Well, yeah, I heard what you've been talking about a few pods ago about, you know, the real history of, and yeah, kind of going deep into that. I mean, I, it was just, it kind of blew my mind. I was like, okay. Yeah. That's, it's, there's things that you've, I've heard about, but never really gone deep into a, done research on. You don't want to. Yeah. Don't go down. Just bar talks fine.

1:30:07Let's someone spit it at you at a bar. You go home a little freaked out. Yeah. You get too deep into it. It's just it'll ruin your life. Yeah. I remember being a kid in bars. There's a few guys in particular who I don't know why they found that talking to me about this stuff was the thing. I guess they're trying to get the message to the youth but I remember you in these smoky bars and going up back or standing out front and these guys telling me about all kinds of crazy you know things that I've never heard of you know they're coming after you they're doing this and such and such they did this and I'm like I'm 15 like I have to get up and turn in a school project tomorrow and I don't know what the fuck you talk about.

1:30:48Well you do it at a bar at 15. All playing shows. Really at 15. Yeah I was playing show. When did you first start playing live? 98 I was 14. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. How did that happen? Well, I was in a boy band with my buddy Robbie. We were going to be R &B superstars, we thought. Then he moved to France. My friend Eve was playing guitar. We did a talent show in eighth grade, won like 25 bucks and you kind of hooked. Went to a blues bar for her 15th birthday. They played at a blues jam like an open mic, you know. And they invited us back and we just kept going. I started booking gigs pretty soon after.

1:31:33As a teenager, I was like this duo, like the Gary and Eve show. And it was like me and this girl playing blues. Yeah, so 14. Yeah, 14, 15. What do you have to be blues about when you're 14?

1:31:50My girlfriend left me for the lifeguard that she was working with during the summer. Her name Raul.

1:32:02Yeah, that was my first. Like, huh. All right. Any crazy that we dismiss the pain of the youth, but the breakups when you're 14 are the hardest ones you ever experienced in your life? Yeah, you don't know what to do. You have no idea what this is. Yeah. Also in your world's gone. You're right. It all ended. And everybody in your world knows that your world is gone. Yeah. You know, walking through the hallways. You know, look at that sad motherfucker. She's with Mike now. Yeah. Yeah. And your boys are telling you, man, we just got such and such, you know. Tongue kissing over there by the gym. All right.

1:32:40He just got to sit and like take that math test. I'm just going to go through it. Meanwhile, she don't feel nothing. Nothing at all. She's gone. Out of there. Yeah, out of there. I don't want to be with you anymore. Bye. That's it. That's it. And now, but somebody told me when I was a kid, what do you know about singing about the blues? And you really don't know anything. or at least I didn't when it came to just how complex people are. How big the world is. You know, certain struggles. Like your little bullshit doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't carry any weight compared to this compared to that.

1:33:26But yeah, man, I still hurts, man. Yeah, I still hurts. people take their life. They take their life. And they get broken up with it. 14, 15 years old. They take their life. That's true. That happens. That's true. I crazier your whole life's ahead of you. It's such a mistake. We definitely lost a couple of the young age because it's emotionally being broken. Yeah, especially if you're already fragile. Sure. You know, maybe this is the only thing that you ever had in life that gave you happiness. Was this girlfriend? Man. Yeah. That's a lot of people. Like they were depressed and the only thing they gave them happiness is a love of another person You thought you were gonna be with that girl forever forever.

1:34:06This is it. We're gonna have kids. We're gonna be together forever Nope, six months later she tongue kissing behind the barn

1:34:16Some other dudes fingering no She likes it. She likes it. She loves it. She's so excited It shouldn't think about you at all. God damn it. Not one bit. Get over it, Mike. Yeah, for sure. Ooh. Ooh. You're alone in your room listening to sad songs. In the fetal position. Just curled up sad and shit. But if you can come out on the other end of that, you'll understand. And then the next time, it's a little easier. The next time, it's a little easier. And then you get it. Yeah. And then you write a song like that. Like, if he loves you more, go ahead.

1:34:59This is some ladies that you will run into in this life that you are never gonna hold on to. And if you can't accept that, maybe you can 10 years from now. Maybe they'll change and you'll change and you'll meet up and it'll be better. But right now, she's on a path. And that, you gotta let her go. You know, I love you. You're great. But if he loves you more, Tata for now. Tata for now Enjoy it and that's a flex that songs a flex. I kind of is yeah if he loves you more go ahead Huh? Yeah, it's a good flex too because they don't know what to do with that one. They don't oh my god They don't how did he say that if you he said if you love to be more I could just go with you Shook it and then that guy's at home the god the new guys like that bad motherfucker I can't believe that's what he said to Harry.

1:35:51He has it forever now. Yeah, and now he feels stuck. Yeah. Because eventually this newness that comes in this new relationship with a guy who loves it more, he's going to fade into like why are you always leaving your shit laying around and how come you always late and you know you said you're going to call five, you didn't call those 630, what happened, what's this, what's that, you check your phone. And then next thing you know, she's thinking about that dude who said, look, if you're He loves you more. I love you though. That's called him. What are you doing? Nothing great to hear your voice.

1:36:26He knows what it is. You know what I'm at? You know what it is? He knows I still love you. Yeah, but you know, some dudes could have used that advice. Like if you could give that advice to a lot, that's a strong move in certain circumstances to preserve your sanity. You know? Absolutely. Because just because some people are fun, Doesn't mean you're supposed to be with them forever that part is very important very important This is you have a good time with someone doesn't mean they should be your one and only Because that that might ruin everything absolutely I agree One all no dudes who've got Just hitch to the wrong caboose They lost everything they their life fell apart and a big part of it is the complex interaction between two people and some people just, the combination of you and them is not good.

1:37:20Absolutely. It'll ruin everything. I agree. I've had those, you know, it's like, this is fun. It's a lot of fun. But that's it. This is dangerous. Yeah.

1:37:34But the dangerous ones are sometimes the most fun. Unfortunately, for a short amount of time, but you don't want them raising your kids. Not at all. Not at all. No. Yeah. If he loves you more. Talk to you after now. Out of here. I think it's falling apart. Cigar, this is a real one man. This is from Havana. Yeah, it is. You can tell. Yeah buddy, I went to London. I actually went to a manager at Daniel. We were hanging in London. I had a few days off to just hang in. I started hanging the cigar lounges. Yeah, I've been kind of hooked ever since. It's one of those few places like a barber shop. One like a bar.

1:38:22Where guys can get together and just talk. Yeah, absolutely. Sit around and treat the shit, smoke a stogie. Talk some shit, have some laughs. It's fun. Yeah, so it's kind of been my... I'm a new thing. I'm trying to get off these cigarettes too if I'm being honest. Yeah. Yeah, man. I got to do it. It gots to do it. You don't want to die that way. Just a sad, I always said I would never smoke. And then I saw speaking of heartbreak blues, man. I was sitting there and sat by Southwest, pissed off all these motherfuckers in town and I saw this girl that I was You know this is into and she was hand in hand with some other dude walking down the street having a good old time This person I'll sit next to I was like Can you even have smokes?

1:39:12Next thing I know Yeah, I am yeah, it gives you a wild head rush though. Yeah, it is the tingle you feeling that Serious and toes and stuff the excitement of your central nervous system the brain gets fired up from a cigarette Yeah different than any other form of nicotine like different than cigars, different than zins, different than anything. Well, it's not just tobacco. Yeah. But even if it is, it's a good one of those natural spirits. Oh, they're called American spirits? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just tobacco. It should even those. But if you get like a $1 ,000 or something like that, it's like, woo -hoo!

1:39:50The fuck is happening here? Well, yeah, I gotta quit that shit. It's so how many smoking I?

1:39:58Only really do if I'm having a conversation before a show that I don't want to have oh really So it's like anxiety thing. Yeah, like before like TV before Something like that. That's not too bad. No, it used to be maybe a half a day a half a pack of day Not an uncrazy, but I used to back on, roll them up in my... So I get my tobacco that way, but there was a while where I was doing like a pack of day and sometimes maybe more. Just, you know, stress. I think, you know, getting into entertainment business and eyes on you and, you know, pressure and all that type of shit. It's just like a nervous thing to just remind myself to just breathe, you know, like take a moment and just think, you know, chill out.

1:40:47Also, there's something about the cigarette that just gives you like some weird relief. It's just like a phew. Yeah. That head rush thing that you get out of it is like a weird little escape valve. Just like a release valve. Just, all right. When I don't have them, no, I don't really miss them. So that's kind of good. That's very good. Yeah, I got into, I got into blunts from Charlie, Charlie Murphy, when I was on that tour with him. Yeah. Because he would only roll Blunts. And he's like, it's the combination of the nicotine and the weed. I was like, oh my god, he's right. It is good. It's a better combination.

1:41:25It's good. That's a good combination. Like pre -show combination, there's nothing like a Blunt. Mm -hmm. Uh, yeah, I'm right there with you. Yeah, I'm right there with you, but. A Blunt and some music. Let's go. Man. We've been getting hyped up to... Stro Elliott does it for us every time. He's a member of the Roots Crew, a legendary Roots Crew. And he puts out these albums. Maa? Yeah, get in there. He puts out these albums where he mashes up, like old -school music and like his big fat ass funky beats and some sounds and stuff. And that's been the stuff that we listen to backstage, the Sartite music.

1:42:05Do you have a hype soundtrack? Yeah, we did for a while. It goes anywhere from... I guess rolling stones to Shaka Khan. Shaka Khan? Yeah, to... Yeah, like Stro Elliott to Anderson Pack. So it's kind of all over the place. kind of get everybody who's got there certain types of music in the mood and you know keep the crowd hype and keep them interested. Yeah stuff like that. But John D's backstage he's the guy with John D's on keys. He's part of the Kill Tony band plays on the road with me. He he's always got the blue two speaker and he's always jamming something unapologetically. He doesn't matter like How close we are to anybody he's like big e loud as fuck Doesn't walk into the stage through the office the you know the venue But yeah We have a good time back there, but there's something about that like walking with the music Walking into a place bringing the music with you Yeah Absolutely, it's I think that's the Buffalo New York in him to a big boom box, unapologetic, you know, Tim's on, New York hat.

1:43:30Nice. Don't give a shit. Well, yeah, what do you all listen to backstage? Well, when we do arenas, I always make a point to walk into I'm your boogie man. Hmm. Casey in the sunshine band. I'm your boogie man. That's what I am. Like, when we're getting ready to do a show, when we walk into the arena, it's always I'm your boogie man. That's your walk on? Yeah song yeah nice and if we're getting a police escort to the venue it's protect your neck It's always protect your neck. That's a flex. Yeah, that's what's up man What's that feel like I've only had a like a police escort? What open is our the Rolling Stones Damn this is so tight It's bizarre because you you're driving through a crowd this there to see you.

1:44:24The first time I ever realized what was going on was with Ian Edwards, and we were doing a show in Dallas at an arena, and this is like one of the first arenas we did. And as we're driving, I go, what is all this fucking traffic? This is ridiculous. We gotta be there in a half an hour. And then I go, oh, they're here for us. This is our traffic. And then we start laughing. Like, this is wild. This is our traffic. Y 'all did that. Yeah, we pulled up to the venue. I'm like, this is bananas. It's got to be cool feeling. It's pretty wild So the police escort is to try to get you through that of course you don't get swarmed or miss the show or miss the show Yeah, but there's just so many people.

1:45:06It's just when you did it's just something about Doing shows with that many people. It's it's a totally different experience. It's so alive. It's so electric Mm -hmm, you know, yeah Yeah. But the music, like having a green room playlist I learned from Dave, Dave used to come to the comedy store and he had two boom boxes and he had them synced and he put one on one end of the bar, one on the other end of the bar. He had ones that had like LED lights, they glow and flash and shit, like Dave brought the party. Yeah, yeah. And he was like, this is my socializing. So I always just have music with me everywhere.

1:45:44I'm like, that's the way to do it. Yeah, right. because we were just hanging out in the green room and just talk. But talking with music going on is way better. Absolutely. Yeah, I think I'd get you to know better. Yeah, that's right. When I saw Dave at the Moody Center recently, he had the glow lights going on the blue -tune speaker. Yeah. The whole five's going. Yeah, he puts red light bulbs in his green room. Right. You go in his green room, it's not bright, white light, like flooding light. It's like the soft cool like speak easy vibe. I respect that man It sets up the vibe. Yeah brings the club energy to like a fucking arena.

1:46:26Uh -huh. Yeah He gets it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he set it up right. It's the way to do it Mm -hmm. It's the way to do it and if you're touring a lot. I saw that with it. Tommy Lee wants to I went backstage or to back There's a I got a story. My friend John Rollo was Tommy Lee security guard. John Rollo was a big giant dude. And he goes, hey man, can you meet Tommy? Tommy wants to talk to you about something. I'm like, okay. So I go to the show, catch the show, meet Tommy. Tommy wants to fight Kid Rock. Tommy's like, I want someone to train me to fight Kid Rock. I was like, what? What are you talking about?

1:47:03Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because they were both squabbling over Pam and Anderson. Oh, all right. So he wanted to fight kid rock so he was like seriously coming to me to ask me like how he could get a fight set up Who kid rock and he wanted to get trainers and all these different things evolved I want to tell him I think kid rock will fuck

1:47:29Kid rock is one of those wild Detroit white boys. I don't want to fuck with kid rock Absolutely would have to agree you don't want none of that. No listen to me Tommy. That's a mean dude That's the dude that shot up Bud Light and cost him 26 billion dollars He shot the shit out of that beer didn't he? He cost them so much money. They would have never lost that amount of money if Kid Rock didn't shoot that beer Man that just watching those bull every time those bullets hit that beer that was like a billion dollars

1:48:07I don't know how many times I've watched that on repeat, that was good. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You know what? That taught me. No, just stay away from that dude. Sit down. Just if he loves you more than me, Tata for now. Just Arthur Alexander that's it. Yeah, a dog. Yeah, learn how to just let it go. Again, same thing. Some gals you never really have them. You just gotta accept it. Enjoy your time. enjoy time with them. Exactly. But don't go having a cage fight with Cape Rock in front of the world. That's... What's up with everybody? What? The fight in public?

1:48:49Well it is up with that. It does seem silly. Right? Well I think some people is just like, they don't have any money. And someone comes along and says, hey you want to do a celebrity boxing match? You're like, all right, you know, we're gonna pay you a million dollars. Now, now you got money. So you just like, I'll just do anything. Because you don't have nothing going on. So there's people like that. Remember, didn't Aaron Carter fight Lamar Odom? Oh, I believe so. Lamar Odom's like 10 feet tall. Yeah. Aaron Carter looks like he had never worked out a day in his life. And he's living on a steady diet of pills.

1:49:23Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that just, he's not with us anymore, right? No, no. R -R -P. Yeah, that's a thing. If you get famous when you're young, good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Man. There's like three people that have ever gone through being famous when they're young and not been crazy. Yeah, I don't understand that. I don't understand that. It's just it's fucking sad man. It's you eat Rob childhood for other people's entertainment. It seems like when you're when you're a kid watching other kids on TV, it seems like a good time. Right. You know, it seems like, oh yeah, I want to do that. That'd be amazing.

1:50:16And so it's been it's been kind of strange to watch these young folks kind of go through Well, the ultimate is Michael Jackson. That's the ultimate. That's the ultimate. That is the greatest worst story ever told. When you see young Michael Jackson, when he was with the Jackson 5, when he did like ABC and they were doing that stuff on TV, and he's dancing and singing, he's the lead, and he's the little kid. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. This clip in particular is the one that got me into wanting to be a musician. In the Ed Sullivan show and how old is he then? 10, maybe. 69. Geez. 1969.

1:51:10Oh my God. Oh my God. He was so good and he was so little and then he became so crazy. because he just never had a real life. Yeah, it's sad to see. It's crazy, but it's just that old expression to star the shines twice as bright last half as long. You know, I mean, it's just like, and then that circumstance, to be picked up that much talent and that much success, and that much love when you're a baby. He's a little baby there. He's 11, he's 13 -11. I couldn't imagine he's a little tiny little fella. He's up there just bolting out beautiful songs and then the rest of his life is just chaos. I didn't realize that I think as a kid I was such a huge Michael Jackson fan probably like crazy kids fans that I didn't realize everything that was happening.

1:52:12Nobody knew. You know. Nobody knew back then. Right. I mean back then there's no internet, right? And so like if it wasn't Barbara Walters didn't talk to him about like why do you have so many kids over here? Like there would be no conversation. No one would know. Right. Yes. Yeah it's just uh. I don't, what do you think that is? I mean like what is it like is there a, it's just like a sense of like powerlessness not having control. There's a bunch of factors. You never face real adversity like a normal person does, you're never not loved. And I think people have to learn how to learn how to get people to like you by you realize like oh if I'm a nicer person it feels better for me it feels better for them, it's good for everybody.

1:52:59And then one time I was a nice and I felt bad and I went home, I got to think this through and now people don't like me, shit, I'm sorry. And then you get better.

1:53:11And completely subverted by fame. You don't ever have to prove yourself. You not only do not have to prove yourself, you're loved above and beyond a regular person. So you treat it like you're like a god, like royalty, as a child. And everyone around you is kissing your ass, and everyone around you is giving you advice, and everyone around you is trying to take your money. You know? And then you've got, and you've got the kind of character that's running your life behind scenes. That was another case. Too much fame. Nobody had navigated those waters before. It's too much. I remember being young and people trying to approach me for deals and stuff.

1:54:07and I was always weird with those folks, just because of the stories that I heard. And my mom was my manager for the longest time. It was helping me printin' up CDs and doin' a real ground work. Family, my little sister was boxing CDs. Oh wow. And helping both T -shirts. And it was a real family thing. And folks started come around and say, hey, we could help you with this. We could help you with this. and I was just always like, no, no, no, no, I've heard so many stories of that. So I was really scared of the business, you know, and wanting to even pursue it or the idea of fame or any of that.

1:54:51I was just like, nah, I don't want to deal with that. Whatever comes with that, I don't think is really me. So I'm kind of fortunate that I didn't really get to, I didn't really move around in that kind of seen until I was 27. How old were you in like numb? How old was that? I was mid 20s, 25, 26, 27. That ought to be when things start getting weird, right? Like, right, likes big city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that. But I was a grown person, so I'd had to experience this where, you know. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, I think if that happened to me any earlier, it would have been a little bit different.

1:55:31Oh, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it was it was strange, you know Just how life can kind of flip People's perception and perspective of you kind of lips the whole world changes people have like people you know kind of look at you different And yeah, whoa that's weird. That's when it gets weird people have known you for years Now they get nervous around you like why are you nervous around me? Yeah, right? It's like hey, oh dog chill like What's up? You have the same dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember you crashed in my house six months ago? Well, I think that's why a lot of famous people hang around with other famous people.

1:56:11These are the only people that are going to understand what it's like to be weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking to Tony the other day. And he was like, man, you need to get out more. I was like, I know.

1:56:25He's like, you need to be with the folks who get it. Yeah, I know I've just been in the hermit in this studio trying to get it right but yeah, dude come down to the mother's ship any night You want I need to hang out. I definitely I'm definitely going to a great hang. I know that green room cleans the soul I miss you a couple times I've been there, but Yeah, it's definitely a vibe. I Yeah, I have a good time every time I'm down there, but yeah, it's true. You got to be able to hang around like mine of folks who, you know, kind of the weirdos. There's a different perspective. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gotta be around other weirdos.

1:57:01And it also is like you feel like you're okay. Like, oh, I'm not that fucked up. I'm just like these people. This is a different kind of person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they get it. Right. All my friends know me. They get it. They get, we're all just different kinds of weirdos. Absolutely. But what's this, it's a special kind of weirdo. Weirdo who makes stuff. Right. Yeah, weirdo is always creating things. and then people go to see those things. They listen to those things, they hear those things, they watch those things. That's a different life. Completely. You can't hang out with a accountant, they're not gonna get it.

1:57:31That's different. It's funny that going to kids' birthday parties. Yes. It's like, I don't know what I can say here. I know. I can say. I never know what parents are gonna ask me about, you know, because like too many parents listen to the podcast, just gets real weird. Right. They want to talk to me about guests and conspiracies and shit and some parents I took over mectin too. Yeah, this blown out birthday canvas. Yeah.

1:58:00There's a lot of dads want to talk about UFC which is easy. Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, that's cool. Hey man, that was really cool when everything was shut down and go to the UFC which you guys that was fun. And hang out. I never I realized how intense that was without the crowd. Yeah, that's why. I don't build them. Like here and somebody kicked in the face in a quiet room. That shit is different. It's different. It's my favorite way to see it to this day. I like to see fights at the Apex, the Apex in Vegas, like where we went. Yeah, yeah. It's just like there's no crowd. It's incredible. That was cool.

1:58:36And then when we went down there, everything was totally shut down. So they were like world class fights. Like right now they do at the Apex. Still have world class fights, but a lot of times it's like guys on the come up. guys who are making their way through the rankings and they'll have like contender fights and good fights but there's a world championship fights in that arena like Francis and Gano beat Steve Beimeoci and that arena. I was after that. Yeah that was crazy. Yeah. When you see Francis Hammer fist an unconscious man. Woo! After he knocks him out cold and then fucking drops a bomb on him and just walking around the cage.

1:59:10Yeah. Woo! And there's no in there but us. Yeah, there's like 20 people in there. It was incredible. It was amazing. Probably hearing the coaches talking back and forth. Yeah. And we'd all that kind of stuff. Yeah. It was like, what a weird time too, right? Even when you went to restaurants. So like, we're in a restaurant. Yeah. We're sitting down inside. This is crazy. Yeah. You know, you're doing the mask on. You can still be walking with masks on. And they'd take it off when you sat down. It was so stupid. As long as you sit down, you can take your mask off. Oh, but when you go to the bathroom, you got to put your mask back on.

1:59:39Oh, okay. Okay, whatever. I was happy to be out. Yeah, hell yeah, me too. Yeah, that, the COVID bubble days were strange. But yeah, I'm so happy that UFC did that. They kept the sport alive. Yeah. Are y 'all doing the sphere out there? Yeah. They're doing an event at the sphere for Mexican Independence Day. Amazing. Have you been out there for that? I have not. I've seen it. I've drove by it. It's incredible. I mean, they have it look like the Earth. They have it look like space. They put designs on it. the whole outside is a giant screen. It's an incredible building. That's why. And they're going to make a show that uses the sphere.

2:00:19Dana said he's only going to do it once, you know, do one show there because it's too crazy, but he wants to do a show there just because it scares the shit out of him because it's so challenging. Well, of course, that's kind of he just, yeah, he's nice. He has to. But you know, you're watching highlights on the ceiling. That's the ceiling is filled with a giant screen that shows you replaced. That would be incredible. Yeah, that's I can't even imagine because it's blown my mind when I see Video of the band you to yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks crazy on your little phone screen I couldn't imagine what that was like being burnt went burnt crash.

2:00:52I went saw you to there You and he said it was insane. He said it was insane It's like it's a great show I've ever seen my life crying because it's like Accentuated by the building itself. It's the only time where a building makes the experience way better like way crazier Well, who came up with that idea? Like, what the hell? Good question. Who even... Super rich dudes. Because it costs some insane amount of money. How much does a sphere cost to run? It's something bananas. Like just for one night? Yeah, just for one night. Like every year it's like, it's fucking hundreds of millions of dollars just to run it.

2:01:27What about the... I wonder what the... What else is gonna be in there? Just music I guess? I guess you can have the rodeo. You can get up whatever you want in there. A rodeo would be fucking nuts. That would be wild. That would be wild. A rodeo with all the highlights on the screens. But to be able to watch fights like that, I have the highlights on the ceiling, it's probably the best way to do it. If they could keep doing it that way, I mean, if it works and then they decide, you know what? Fuck it, we're gonna keep doing shows here. I wanna go to one. Yeah, I wanna go to it, just to see. Yeah, the one that's on Mexican, when is that one, Jamie?

2:01:59September, I think right now. Yeah, that's gonna be nuts. That is that is gonna be a nutty experience. I think that's September 16, right? My correct Okay, hey September 16 you hear that touring squad. Let's end up in Vegas that night. Yeah, how long you touring now? You gonna are you from here when the albums out are you gonna just go? Also, we're doing We're doing a US like just kind of jump kick things off in me and then we're gonna do Europe August September I think. I try not to look but I'm sure dates will fill up in between. That's, you know, once it starts going, it starts going.

2:02:49But yeah, just for now we're going to be doing the states in May. We're doing some stuff with Eric Clapton down South America. Oh wow. And that's always cool. Yeah, that's I mean that's a lot of people to coming out to you know 60 ,000 oh 70 ,000 folks So we're gonna get to Jump in front of that and make some noise for a little bit. Well, they came after error clapped in hard during the pandemic Oh, yeah, they came after them because you said though. He got injured by the vaccine. Yeah, and they came after him hard How dare you? How dare you you piece of shit, right? They tried to find every terrible thing he's ever said his entire life.

2:03:31Oh, yeah. Contacts stick in front of everybody. Yeah, folks came after me and was like, what do you think about clapping? Well, the crazy thing was he got injured by the vaccine. And they were mad that he was, it was like a coordinated effort to attack him because he was going to cause vaccine hesitancy by telling the truth. Right. And now we all know it's the truth. So now no one's mad at him anymore for that. But it's like during that time they were trying to destroy Eric Clapton Yeah, if you brought anything you said anything you're kind of out of there. Yeah That must have been wild for Eric because this whole life he was beloved.

2:04:08I Mean he was he was a icon. Yeah, I mean still is. Yeah, he still is But yeah, but to have that experience happen like all the sudden he's attacked like the LA times You know and all these different newspapers are just common for animals like this is crazy to see he's telling you he got injured by experimental medication that the whole world is being forced to take. You don't think you should listen to him? Yeah, I'm, yeah, that, I'm looking back it seems absolutely absurd. That's somebody's telling you that the truth about this thing that's affecting all world. And they go nope nope nope nope nope no he's a piece of shit and tie vaxer Yeah, and look at this and you did this and you did this and pull this up.

2:05:00What'd you say in 76? Yeah Yeah, wild time wild times But we got through it. Yeah, we did I don't think it'll ever happen again You don't think you'll be too wise to it now Yeah, there's too many people that push back now that did let it happen back then because they believed it Yeah, they thought two weeks to stop the spread that'd be good They thought all those things were gonna be good. They believed the World Health Organization, they believed the CDC, they believed everybody. They believed in masks, they believed in social distancing. They believed in all that shit we turned out to be bullshit.

2:05:30Now people know it's bullshit. Yeah, absolutely. I remember going to Australia twice. We had to quarantine twice. The Australia was nuts. But at least escorts, I was going there to do a film. I wanted that to do Elvis. And I was like, The police escort to the hotel, like military escort up to the hotel room and you just there, like if you like milk sandwiches, juice, some fruits like every day or whatever. You can't go nowhere. You know, you couldn't go anywhere. And if you were to step out to like to put your trash outside like a military guard or police officer would be there like the weapon like turning the corner like just checking on you.

2:06:17It's like yo what the fuck man. Yeah for two weeks you had to be there. How crazy is that? And you weren't even sick. Wasn't sick. Which is crazy. Nothing and just 40 floors up in some crazy hotel. He can't go anywhere for two weeks. The military making sure you don't leave your room. Yeah. Yeah. That's what happens when there's no guns. When people don't have guns. That's right. Yeah I wouldn't have people that have the guns is the army and the police and everybody else is unarmed and they have the guns start pushing people around arresting people for not wearing a mask outside all right throwing them throwing old ladies to the ground and handcuffing them like Shit, I should have not happened in in Texas.

2:06:59No, Gary damn T. That you said you said what mother fuck yeah shut the fuck up Well, even in California, there was lines around the block at the gun store. It got sketchy. Mm -hmm. It got real sketchy. That was the eye opener. Yeah. For so many people, seeing lines at the gun store for the first time, like, yo. This is getting real. This is getting real. I heard about that. Yeah, it was weird. To see it in LA, I drive by Burbank in the gun shops that I know. And it's fucking giant ass line around the block. People trying to buy a gun. Yeah, I got them problems down here. No, there's no problem town here.

2:07:40No There it is ID yep. Here you go. You receive Exactly good luck sir. Well, you're even crazier is that I could just give you a gun. Oh, yeah If I have a gun, I'm like, Gary take this gun. That's your gun now. You have to do any paperwork. No, nothing. Now you have my gun I love Texas. Once you feel that freedom, and it's not just a gun thing, it's kind of everything. Would you feel that freedom? Except abortions. Once you feel that freedom, you're just like, whoa, this is how you're supposed to be. And then you go to California, and you have flavored vapes. And like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

2:08:18I don't understand why that is. They think it's gonna stop kids from sucking on vapes if they're not flavored So adults can't have them adults can't have them you can't get flavored zins in California, I went to a gas station to buy some zins. I'm like well flavors you got they go. We don't have any flavors Like what? Yeah, California doesn't allow you have flavors because it attracts kids You think the kids are gonna they go puff on the original version anyway. Yeah, what are you talking about? There's still smoke and cigarettes like that's so stupid. Wow that doesn't do anything. I don't get that That'll make no damn sense.

2:08:56It's communist It's it's the government deciding what you can and can't do and Doing it for your own good and that's the slippery slope of communism They'll do that with that next thing. They'll do it with your car next thing They'll do it with your your consumption your carbon consumption They try to get you to be on a carbon consumption tax that try to get you to be on some sort of an app that shows how much carbon you're using. Anything they could do to try to control you and they'll do it under the guise of making it safer for others. Just like they did during the pandemic. See how quickly they shifted from vaccines to climate change.

2:09:34It was just like it was a beautiful passing in the ball. It was like run with climate change, run with CO2 production, run with stop eating meats, driving electric car, run with that. Right. Yeah, that's true. That's one thing after another. It's just control. The number one thing about it is control and then all without a doubt there's a bunch of people making money. There's a bunch of industries that are designed that function around this idea that you have to do certain things and they're going to profit immensely from you complying. Yeah, I mean you could kind of see that in the way that the city changed around here with the they shut down certain spots, mom and pop shots, spots kind of went and say, all right, you two out of here and make you comply a little bit.

2:10:23Uh -huh. Uh -uh. Are you gone? Now target makes more money. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Well, they crushed LA. LA is not. It is a shadow of itself. I would say that LA is like a girl used to date. She was really cute. And then you go see her now. And she's on math and she works with a cartel. Damn what happened damn. That's L .A. You know Yeah, that's I haven't spent too much time out there. I mean I only got there when I absolutely have to Sad I need to I was just a New York New York look kind of euro now It's got all the cannabis shops up everywhere. It's kind of comical. It is a little bit It was so illegal in New York for so long.

2:11:06Yeah, you had to get it like super low -key. Yeah, man You could get busted. There was undercover cops telling people we'd need. Yeah, New York was weird with weed weird for the longest time Yeah, it's it's not a problem at all anymore. No, it was really strange to be the kind of like Amsterdam looking mm -hmm I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't hit Texas yet I'm surprised they haven't let legal weed here yet It seems so stupid to stop people from doing something. No, there are doing is not hurting anybody. Yeah That's kind of my only beef with Texas at the moment. Yeah. As far as that goes. Well, it's decriminalized air quotes here.

2:11:44So what does that mean? Just let me pull up to a store. Yeah. Get a receipt. And join my day. Yeah. I'll pay taxes. How about that? Right. You're missing out on billions of dollars in tax revenue. You dummies. Sure. Because like in Colorado, they were smart. They said, we'll tax it like 39 % or something crazy. And everybody's like, OK. No problem. Yeah, go ahead do that. Yeah, absolutely because it's so cheap and compares in alcohol anyway It's it's a beautifully run business in Colorado. They figured it out Yeah, it's like going to buy in a pair of shoes But for the longest time in Colorado they had employee mercenaries They had to employ like fucking blackwater type people to guard the cash because they were the banks wouldn't fuck with them Oh, yeah, so we're not allowed to use credit cards So at any point in time they had hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in cash around That's right and this they had to like get a guy to take that cash to the bank So the basic like like a scene from heat that's right.

2:12:45I remember going out to Venice Beach at a certain point I don't know a little funky out there. Well, I used to go to this place called the Englewood Wellness Center in the 90s and That was when there was medical weed in California and all you have to do is go to a doctor. I got a headache. Yeah We go, he go. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you definitely need this medicine. They were trying to hand out those things. It wasn't hard to get a medical license. I don't know. And one of the only dispensaries, medical dispenser, was in Englewood. So we'd go down the hood by weed, and then the dude that's old, being the weed got shot.

2:13:18He got shot there, like a week after I was there, two weeks after I was there. Yeah. Oh no. They robbed him and shot him because you had a paint cash, and they had cash laying around, and everybody was scoping it, and they were watching and they knew what was going on and he would have given them the money too. That's right. They just fucking shot him. That's right. Yeah. Wow, time. That's what I go. Okay. Time to go back to weed dealers. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah. See, it hung me up. Hey man, you know that? Like we used to. Yeah. Yeah. The weed dealer thing is funny because then you get those sketchy people in your life again.

2:13:53Those dudes that are willing to sell weed. like those are those are always people that are just a little unbalanced. Yeah, I'm fortunate that you know, fucks out. He's hooked me up for all these cute girls. That's amazing. Yeah. How'd you get that? Mm -hmm. Just being me, bro. Ha -ha -ha -ha. Well, that's a way better situation. I used to deal with dude named Jake the Snake. Oh, well there you go. Jake the Snake was my friend Eddie's buddy in LA. That's how we get our weed. Yeah, but he was always a weird dude. I was always cool like Cool hippie chicks. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, that's perfect.

2:14:36Cool sit there, you know Show you what the guy you could try a couple different kinds. Yeah Get on their bike or whatever the fucking get out of there. Bye Sun dress flowing in the wind yep. Yeah fucking and sunflowers all over their outfit. Yeah, so I didn't really deal with too many shady characters. But the shady's characters that I knew were the motherfuckers that I actually really knew that I grew up with. And I was like, ah, yeah. I was warned about you while that. Yeah, well, you have some dudes that are shady when they're like 14, just a little shady. And then by the time they're like 22, they're full shady.

2:15:21Oh, yeah, but you're still hanging with me. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a couple of them. There's a magazine around here I don't know if it's still here. It's called mug shots and You can see like whoever got arrested that day or that week. I see a couple of folks that grew up with them the cover and I was like, yep Saw that coming up that pans out. Yeah So hopefully Texas will come around and you know, you can just kind of do what you want to do with that. Yeah, I feel like If Republicans just embraced that it would be a lot better for everybody. Just the people that don't want it, they just ignore it, they just don't understand.

2:15:59It's stupid, it's a stupid thing to stop. That's not being stopped. Yeah, it's not being stopped. Also, you should probably fund some studies, find out why some people go crazy. Let's find out what's going on because everybody knows one dude who smoked too much weed when it gets a frantic. Yeah, absolutely. How many you know? I know one in particular is a great friend of mine. And yeah, it kind of feels semi -responsible. Because I was kind of... He was just dude I known since I was in first grade. We played basketball together. We did all this stuff together and started rapping together, started playing music, making beats together.

2:16:40And I think Wang Puff too many and listening to that slim shady Marshall Mathers album got Adam, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know two dudes. One dude seems to have bounced back, but one dude's gone. He's gone. Well, actually, I know three dudes. I know one dude who bounced back, too. But the dude who I know bounced back, he doesn't fuck around at all anymore. But at one point in time, he thought the government was listening to everything he said. He thought helicopters are flying over his house. He thought people were listening in the walls. He was going nuts. And that's marijuana and do you know?

2:17:17Yeah. Yeah, for him it was. And I knew him before that, I knew he was fine, but he was just waking, baking every day. It was every day, he was just getting obliterated. He was getting obliterated all day long. And I think he just fried normal life out of his brain. Ooh, yeah. Ooh, I've got like stone at the point of a panic attack, but I've always come back. When you come back, you feel better. I feel a lot better. Hey, feel good. You're gonna think it's gonna be okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Some people don't come back. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's been books written on it. Alex Berencine wrote a book about it.

2:17:55That's why I've never taken acid. My dad told me a long time ago, an uncle of his, or maybe took a good acid and never came back from it. So I'm always been spooked. But I mean, I have no problem with psilocybin. Yeah. Sills I was more manageable with that. I also acid is being made in a bathtub by some grateful dead fam So I was making that where are you? How did this get to me? He looks just like Jerry Garcia

2:18:28It's going for it. This is a circular glasses on tinted lenses Just selling you the good stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's only a handful of people supposedly in the country that know how to make acid How many people are trying though? It's yeah, right? That's a scary part for me. It's like, oh my body ability just, you know, Starless, you know, got him a little thing in the garage. Let's try it out. Yeah. Well Ari was telling us about, they have these tests that they would do. These dudes were heavy partners and they brought like tests with them. So they could test all the different drugs. Like would you say heavy part like experimental?

2:19:10Yeah. They were trying to go. They were going out there. So they were taking Molly and all kinds of shit. And so they did a test on the acid they had. And none of it was acid. All of it was masculine. Really? Yeah. Yeah, they were getting these tabs. And they thought these tabs were acid. And they tested those zero acid. And it was just masculine. So how do you get away with that? You get away with it because people don't have tests. So you're just selling this stuff that masculine to make you trip, you know, you think you're unassured. Is it the same type of deal? I haven't done it, but it's peyote.

2:19:48Right, I know masculine is. I'm scared of that, too. It's a, I had a friend of mine that swears to God that he saw a dude in a window in Manhattan. When he was on masculine and the dude was like, you know, 400 yards away and you could listen to every word that guy was saying. So you could hear every word he was saying. Huh. When he was on masculine. like through glass and his walls and he just was looking at the dude he could so he could see him he was watching him and he could hear him talk he swears he you know he's a financial guy okay yeah he's not a he's not like a crazy hippie right he's a guy when he was in college he took masculine in New York City and he was looking out the window and there's a guy way far away he was looking at him through the window his window and that guy's window bomb sounds the city fuck you through all that watch that guy you can hear him talk as it's some cross -dimensional type of who knows probably probably this probably like a frequency that you could tune into that we're all tuned into all the time so like when you know someone's talking about you and then the phone rings it's them right like you know they're thinking about you and you know so I like people dismiss that oh that's just chance that's just luck maybe maybe or maybe when you just think about someone for no reason and then they call you maybe there's some connection there maybe there's something going on.

2:21:10Yeah I agree with that. Yeah I have moments like that where I feel like it's just that's the universe, just universe and just trying to get you back to where you need to be. Yeah I think there's something to that. I think there's something to fake. There's some strange element of it that seems to be true. I think that free will is probably real. There's some, there's some probably issues with, there's choices you make that determine how your life goes for sure, but there also seems to be some strange element of fate. Every now and then things come along and go, oh my God, this is what I have to do.

2:21:44This is what I have to do, this is what I'm supposed to do. Absolutely. You might be resisted, like God, I wanna do this. With parties like this is what you're supposed to do. You can't shake it. It's like the universe hits you with this frequency, this signal that lets you know this is the path you're supposed to take. And some people are way better at following that. Some people are really good at following that feeling. What's your, how do you think you resonate on the scale of being good with that or not? I'm pretty fucking good with that. Yeah. That's, I'm pretty confident with that. Good.

2:22:16I pretty, I know. Yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good with recognizing shady people. I'm pretty good. but pretty good, not 100%. I'm like, I'm 95%. I got you. I'm pretty fucking good. I'm pretty good knowing which path to go. When did take a chance? When did just go? You know, like when I moved out here, I moved out here in the middle of the Spotify deal. And they were like, what the fuck are you doing? And I was like, I'm telling you, this is the place to go. I got it, I'm just gonna do this. This is the thing to do. Did you already see what's happening now happening? No, no, no idea. No idea.

2:22:51Not a chance I would even have imagined that Austin would become like the comedy scene that it is now I never thought that I just wanted to exist in a place where people weren't fuck it with me And then when I got out here and I realized people weren't fuck with me and then David and I were doing those shows It stubs that reignited my desire to comedy again Then we started doing live shows at the Vulcan and then Ron White got fired up about it And I was like, okay, we got people out here now and then other comics were moving here because you couldn't do any shows in LA They'd see us doing shows out here and they were like, hey man, fuck this.

2:23:23I'm just gonna go and a bunch of them came And we didn't even have a club then so then I felt like okay, I talked these dudes in the coming year like now I have to just like build it and then we just did it But it was just all following instincts is like this is this is the path this is what you're supposed to do How long did you Think over this Like move not very long No, my instincts were to get out. When I saw those cop cars on fire on the 10, I was like, okay, I see where this is going. Yeah, yeah. You know, I got here just after the riots, just after the riots, that's my L .A. rather. I got there in 94, just after the riot, the Rodney King riots, and it was weird, like the city had just recovered.

2:24:17So I'd remembered and then I'd watch all those videos of the chaos that happened when the police lose control the city And it just becomes madness and I was like oh Gotta get the fuck out here, and then but back then there was no defund the police talk in LA It was all defund the police defund the police. I'm like, okay Yeah, yeah, that's what I you know, I was like yeah

2:24:48I'm over here. Yeah, I was like nah, we gotta keep the fuck Are you talking about I need to call the mother fucker cops. What are we talking about you cannot that to me was like alright We're we've lost sight of Can't everybody just do whatever they want whenever they want all the time have it be there without the time They got it. There's got to be some order here. There has to be a line I mean, it's important, please, please, because this is all I know. Yeah. You know, if that goes away, then what the fuck? You got chaos. And I don't want that. No. I don't think anybody wants it. Just before you, that's a crazy statement.

2:25:36Yeah. Well, the wildest thing is having those people now later call for more police. like since some of them got like this is one politician and she was like let me be clear my goal is dismantle and defund the police and was like yeah, and then recently she got Carjacked and pistol whipped and so she's got blood pouring out of her head and she's like saying we have to find these people and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law With what with no police because you defunded the police like what who's gonna go get them? Are you gonna go get them that guy that pistol whipped you you're gonna go find him and take his gun away and say you are gonna go in a cage now to make the world safer.

2:26:16No, please do that stupid, right? That's that that's that part of the police. The important part. Yeah, the part that keeps you safe you fucking idiot. This idealistic perspective that so many people have. Just such virtue signaling bullshit. He's don't even know what you're saying. Yeah, I mean I had to get law. I had to get out of there. Man, I was lost in that shit for a while. You hated LA. What's that? You hated LA, huh? I really hated LA. Not in the hate LA. I just couldn't, I didn't know how to do LA. And the people that I resonated with in LA was comedians. I would just only hang at the store.

2:26:58Yeah. That was my social life was that spot and like another spot where my buddy would give me like free drinks and I could smoke cigars down in the lounge. I was it I wasn't I didn't know how to really move around I didn't understand how to Mixing me going like a music space. Mm -hmm. I knew how to hang with like the weirdos Yeah, like the cats who like were just off and didn't take themselves too seriously. Yeah, you know, so I remember very clearly when you move back here. Yeah, because I remember you saying oh, man This is so much better. This is just what I like yeah, I remember I met I remember I met Ron White, like I was hanging with him.

2:27:38And he's like, yeah, I'm going back to Texas and I spend more time in Texas. And I remember running into Post Malone out there. And I was like, what's there to do in LA? He's like, I don't know me, I'm getting the fuck up out of here. Everybody that I was connecting with at that certain time was like, I'm out too. So I was like, let's just go back to Texas. And do that. Yeah, you talking about how great it was to be back here and Ron talking about how great it because Ron came first. Mm -hmm. Ron was the guy good because when he was out here, he was out here before the pandemic and I was like, you really love it there.

2:28:11He's like, I fucking love it. I love it. He goes, this is the best place. He's just placed a fly out of, fly anywhere in the country. It's in the middle. It's just like, it's a great fucking town. Everybody's cool. It really is. Yeah, it really is man. So Gary their guitars just sitting there, huh that guitar just sitting there All right, well here we go you need to bust that guitar out how about if you I'm gonna teach you oh wait on a teach me hey this is for you This is a guitar pick that's made from mammoth ivory Mammoth ivory yeah, that's from a mammoth. That's from my friend John Reeves Yeah, he's got a place up in Alaska called the Boneyard.

2:28:56That thing that you have in your hand is probably 10 ,000 years old at least. And you want me to fuck it, that's yours. That's your own guitar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's for. No, no, no, no, no, you play with that. I got another one here for you, break it. I'll give a second one here. Nice. Should I play? Anything. What do you want to play? What do you feel like playing? Oh, I don't know, man. I feel like... I feel like... Do you feel like playing new shit or old shit? Let's play some new shit. Let's play something new shit. I've never played this new shit like this. with an acoustic, a little backstory on this guitar.

2:29:51I did an event with Joe Walsh, Vets Aid, and he and his wife Marjorie gifted me this guitar. It's one of my favorite set play around with it. What the house?

2:30:14So I tune this thing. Whatever you want to do then. You tell me. Again, this is what I love about music. I don't know what the fuck is going on. You know what? Well, I don't know either. You tune it with your phone? Well, I got a, there's a tuning app on my phone. I can just so that way I don't have to Bring up boxes. How's it work? Just here's the note I know

2:30:47You said it's a standard tuning it'll Get you right to where you need to be and it's all just tension on the strings tension the strings will get you to the note You want to be out? So So right now this one is the string is sharp so you have to release some tension so the note goes down.

2:31:12I see and so you're trying to get it in the groove. Ah, say. Ah, so. It's reading the hertz, the wave frequency. Wow. There you go, too higher, too low and you try to match the perfect. And that's how you explain it like a professional. Like why? Just trying to help. You actually went to school for that? Yeah, I didn't and that's why I was only like an idiot talking to them. It's crazy there's an app for that though, that's amazing. Yeah, this is one of my favorite things about having a technology for this. I can make music on this phone and transfer it over to files. I'm a big rig at the studio and corporate Records

2:32:03What a time yeah, right as much as I bitch about it. I use it all the time So what a time to be alive. Yeah What a time to be alive Indeed Speaking what is it? I didn't interrupt it just in a it's self -tunes cheers One more time thanks for having me do it. I'm pleasure. Thanks for hanging with you. We're gonna get on that double date. Let's do it. I'm free Saturday night. One of my Saturday night? Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it, Saturday night. All right, my wife's in town, fine. Beautiful. Let's go. Let's go. So many good places to go out here too. Man, I don't know. Yeah, that's one thing that I realize is I don't know shit.

2:32:45I've just been in the house. And then the studio and I. Yeah. So my time to come up and figure out what's going on in the world is That ship has sailed my friend until till the album drop day That went to sleep for like a good day and a half Turn my phone. What is album drop day which day? March 22nd. Oh, that's which is tomorrow Oh, today I should listen today. Oh, yeah, yeah, here it is So cheers to that. Cheers to that. I'm just gonna go ahead and down this thing. Okay. Because I feel like I know. Woo! I actually never mind. I'm not. So let's play some music. Let's play some music, Karen. And then after this, you're gonna learn the E -Core.

2:33:35Okay.

2:33:39This is a new shit. It's called Happens. while I talk about downing a glass of whiskey.

2:34:10I've got baddest that I just can't break

2:34:19And I think about it I start to shake

2:34:30I've been feeling like this for a while

2:34:39I always hide there, my quilt is mine I keep rolling in circles, chasing my tail I love love my purpose, I need some help

2:35:13I've had good days in my head

2:35:21And I would train it for the time of the end

2:35:33White eyes, oh, white eyes I'm just gonna cry, cry, cry, cry It's my turn to cry in life And I'll keep it running, it's her eyes I'm chasing my tear He looks good on the surface

2:36:08Ninety -seven Cause before we got much From the moment we started Got to stay young by I told him I got everything I need No man I'm born But it means nothing when you're gone Gone

2:36:47But it means nothing when you're born

2:36:59I know nothing is for sure I know nothing is for sure I know nothing is for sure I know nothing is for sure Oh

2:37:26Something like that I often use acoustic That's the first time I've done it. Oh, wow Sorry if I didn't really sell it to you

2:37:44Amazing you did it here for the first time Alright. What do I have to do? Well... Can you pull a bit E chord? Like fingering? Yeah. Finger placement? Um... Are you lefty? No. Right hand. Yeah, don't... It does? Guitar is supposed to be banged up a little bit. Don't be scared of that. Okay. What do I do? Yeah. Oh boy. There we go. Let me get one of these picks. How cool are these things? It's amazing. Which part do you hold? Do you hold the fat part? The fat part. Some people hold it to... It's kind of whatever, but this... It gives me the sting that I need. Okay. As far as tongue goes. Keep hitting this guitar.

2:38:36Alright, so I'm putting... This finger on the third. Yeah. and then this one on the fifth and this one right below that. You got to slide them in the same spot. Slide them in the same spot. Yeah, they got to be in the right. Right in the same spot as two bars. Oh. Titer. See if there's a little... All three of them are in the same spot? You can't see that. Two of them are in the same spot. See that little spot there? They're going to be in that little spot there. Yeah, I got fat fingers. So I read Volkart is one of the baddest dudes to play telecaster and he got some Okay, I think I got it I think I'm on the right one no Right is that it and then where do I hit it?

2:39:28I'm doing all right Push it more down down with that one It's all stricter not be helping the most but right there right here okay you guys strum the strings now yeah it is yeah yeah you're on your way to the best folk song anybody's ever heard is it Pretty some crazy you minor you can do a second chords release one thing. Yeah, just release the the first finger

2:40:13Put it back down you go back and forth between two chords There it is I'm coming soon I'm coming soon I can see how this could get very difficult. This could be a real problem. See? This could be a real problem. All right.

2:40:39Yeah, I'm telling you, man. Once I first played an E -cord on a Fender strata cast her through a Fender Twin, Red Nob, 1980s, 1990s amp. It was over for me. I quit caring about everything. I could see how this could be very addictive. You want me to take it away? Yeah. It seems like it would take forever to get good at it, too. No, I think with a guy like you who's like disciplined, a guy like you, discipline is no problem. Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem that I have too much of it. It's obsession more than discipline. Within you probably be good at that and you probably about a year and a half.

2:41:25Oh, oh. And you'd be out here kicking ass. And I have to go sit down somewhere and I'd be settling into my photography job. Somewhere in Montana. I might have to learn how to play guitar. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah. I get it. You know, I get it now. Well, don't think too hard about it. But now I'm thinking too hard about it because I'm thinking about all the different positions on the guitar. That's one. We were listening to both Hendrix and Stevie Avaughan, Voodoo Child, the different versions of it last night. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like, Stevie Avaughan's the only dude that it doesn't offend me when they cover Voodoo Child.

2:42:04Yeah. You know, like, Voodoo Child, slight return, Hendrix, 67, 68 was so fucking good, man. It's like anybody covering that is like what are you doing? But Stevie put like his own weird flair on it. Yeah. And I'm thinking about all the different positions of the fingers and the sounds and the thing. And you are singing while you're doing that too. You're not just doing that. You're also manipulating your voice. Yeah. Yeah. But as far as voodoo child goes, who's engineered that? Was it Eddie Kramer? with the painting and the psychedelic back and forth and the shakers. Yeah, it's oh my God. It is a is otherworldly man.

2:42:51It's so good that that right there is you can't you can't recreate that stuff. Stand next to a mountain chop it down with the edge of my hand. I gotta say I got asked to do a cover and I've always been hesitant about doing covers of Hendrix or Stevie and I did it and I was like yeah that's a reason I've never done it. Well let me tell you something man I know that you and Suzanne were I know you were even either talking or actively tried to do a version of Midnight Rider because I was there that how many years ago was that well you guys did that downtown L .A. Oh I don't even know that's just a long time ago.

2:43:34Almost a decade ago. Somewhere around a decade ago. I brought my oldest daughter and we saw you guys live. And it was insane. And it was like a Monday night or some shit at midnight and some weird bar in downtown LA. It was like an alcohol company put that on, right? Yeah, we were in business with an alcohol company which we soon got out of. I didn't think that they really liked us. Why would you send somebody that much alcohol? really like the like you do much yeah but they they sponsored this thing so it was a very small gathering of people but you guys did a copy you did a cover rather a night rider it was fucking amazing yeah it was fucking match I never played that song before since then it was just like come sit in she didn't play it before either she had to read the lyrics off her phone that's right that's So yeah, we tried to we're trying to put something together He got it cover that was so good man.

2:44:34It was so good because it was midnight writer, but with your flair to it This is it's from my Instagram. Can you play this? Yeah, that asked this one has got a flag before oh that got five before I was so good though. That was such a fun night Oh my god, what a night That was back when she was with Honey High. Yeah. That was a decade ago. Isn't that crazy? That'd been to a He's a bad motherfucker, man. Well, year 2016, close to a decade ago. Eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you guys have to cover that. Yeah. I think, did we try? Did we do it? I can't even remember. We might have. I haven't heard it.

2:45:14I'll edit. Nobody sent it. Oh, I haven't seen it. Yeah. I think maybe it's a dream. I think you guys were in talks and remember Suzanne was saying you guys are gonna do it. I think we did it I I

2:45:29Think we did it, but I think I did it like in the middle of one of my sessions Like so when I'm in it was in my mode and I remember I Think we did it. I Feel like she said you guys were gonna do it I don't know. I think it's done. It's done. Somewhere it's done. It should be done. It's done. I think she has it. That's crazy that I don't even know. That is crazy. I don't know what that says about my brain. Do you have a lot going on? Yeah. That's what it says. Something that would be like a milestone for some people is just like a part of everyday your life. No, I'm pretty sure we did it though.

2:46:12I feel like she told me you did it. But I kept not positive. I know she I felt like she said something like you were gonna do the music first and she was gonna sing over the music I don't remember. I think she did the record. Damn, that's fucked up. No She had to do it with you You know, no, no, no, no, I think she actually did the track as far as recorded with her band. Oh really? I believe so. Dude, that's so crazy. That's just like a blank spot in my mind. That night was a fun night. Yeah, it was a fun night because it was just, that's one of those nights where like you get to see something where very few people get to see it.

2:46:48You know, just like when we saw the fight at the UFC Apex Center, there's no one there. Yeah. You get like, wow, I'm so lucky to be here. Yeah, but you know, Susanne is a special artist though. She really is. She's really kind of a powerhouse. I remember the first time I met her, she was doing honey honey, funky sessions thing in LA. And just the voice man, just the voice, the song writing is like, she could play anything. She's playing violin, play guitar, we got cuts on this album that we're not releasing but gonna be used for something else where she plays amazing violin on some stuff and she sings over She's incredible.

2:47:35She's amazing. She's and I didn't realize like when you work in the studio with it You realize how genius she is and like she's not playing around No, no, she's really good. She's a studied. I have a friend of mine as a musician. We did an end of the world show on December 21st, 2012 Because that was when the Mayan thought was gonna be the I remember I was watching I was freaked out. I was ready to go with you all So we did it into the world show and I said let's put together a real fun show So it was stand -hope Joey Diaz me Honey honey. I think Duncan was on the show too and so we did the show in LA and My friend who's a musician is like he saw her he goes, yeah, he goes that girl is fucking talented He goes dude like she could play anything like look at her like her voice is incredible she plays a violin this is insane yeah yeah she's and she's a badass guitar player badass writer she says everything yeah yeah and she's cool as fuck absolutely she's so fun so fun to be around she's hilarious I feel like if she went down and you need to her to squat up with she likes to throw yeah yeah do you want her on in your side, in the apocalypse.

2:48:47Absolutely. She'd figured out. Absolutely, yeah. So much respect to her. Yeah, much respect to her. Much respect to you too. Congratulations on the new album. Thanks, dude. It's beautiful. It's awesome. So it's good to hang with you. Thanks for listening and hanging it. Thanks for coming. Thanks for the cigar. Yeah, no problem. I got you. All right. Let's go out. Saturday night. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. That's it. Bye, everybody.