#2135 - Neal Brennan

26:50And that they had made so many accounts, thousands and thousands of accounts. They had actually organized a Texas secession meeting across the street from another meeting in the organized. I know, that shit was so, it's so like Montepay's meeting. Yeah, they wanted these people to be fighting with each other. Yeah. And they do that online constantly. There's so many times, well, I'll see something that's contentious, something that's socially, something that's like very explosive. And then I'll look in the comments and I'll see some outrageous statements. And it's like a couple of letters and a number for the account.

27:28And I'll click on the account and I'll go into, oh, it's a fake account. How many of those are there? There's fucking hundreds of thousands. If not millions. There's an FBI analyst that did an estimation and he thinks that there's 80%. He thinks 80 % of the Twitter accounts that are in circulation at least at the time were trolls. And so that would be part of the information chaos that I'm like, I'm a bit like this is going to be bad. It's bad now and it's probably only to get it worse with AI and all that shit. And I don't, but I don't know what the, I don't know if we talked about this, but like if there was a governing body, you know, let's say like over not, let's say over all of social media sort of morality or whatever or ethics.

28:23Who would you even put on it? You can't, it can't be done. It can't be done because the government can't be trusted because they're doing it. Right, but let's say the government is involved. The people elected it. Do you know what I mean? If there was a way to get the right, get around the government. It's not for instance, like who John Stewart. Yeah, but they would, people would have access to that. Like John Stewart couldn't talk about China on Apple. Right. He left. He left. Yeah. It doesn't work. No, I'm with you. That's, that's a corporate. I'm saying like, who are even, I think the solution is more complex.

28:57The solution is, no, the solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible. And I think that is going to be tight. You're going to be able to have opinions, but lying about specific facts, I think is going to be far more difficult with widespread use of AI. And also when people have universal ability to translate languages instantaneously. Right now it's a little clunky. You could read tweets and you could say translate the tweet. You can, you can do things like that, but you don't necessarily know what the fuck is going on. When it's universal, when you're going to have instantaneous translation into that, you're going to, it's going to be far more difficult to deceive people when you have instantaneous access to AI, which is sup, you know, as long as the AI is not biased, which we've seen, AI is programmed and the Google AI, you know, founding fathers, yeah.

29:56We talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched a robo president. And then it became if there's a row, if there's an AI president, then it's the thing that's going to be argued about is what information are we loading it? Right. Right. And what are the values that the AI has? Like is the values for the human race? Is the values for New York City? Is the value for the country in general? Yeah. What is the values? And what is it's imperative? Like what is it trying to do? Yeah. But the thing is like that's rudimentary AI as AI scales up and gets far more advanced and it's going to happen very quickly.

30:35It's going to bypass all that stuff and it's going to come up with some sort of a moral ethical foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under. It's going to be very weird, Neil, and it's going to be very weird, very quickly, very quickly. I totally agree with you. Yeah. I completely agree with you. I mean, in some ways, whenever I hear about AI, I'm like, help us AI. Come and sit when they're like, it may obliterate us, I'm like, but if it doesn't, please help us AI. It can both. Please help us get out of all this garbage we've gotten ourselves into. Yeah, it could both help us in obliterate us.

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34:19It's going to be a real problem. You're not going to be able to have bills where you have a border funding bill that also has funding for Ukraine. There's all that kind of stuff that's going to have to go by the wayside. You think AI will prevent that? How come? Well, because people will be able to analyze everything about every bill instantaneously. It's not going to be as simple as you have to sit down and read a 2000 page bill. It's going to be AI is going to break it down. And it's also going to break down who the people are that propose the bill. And then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are.

34:52And you're going to get like very specific breakdowns of what all these things are. And people will be far more informed. My feeling on that is that people in some ways are informed and we're all kind of powerless to change it. There's a little bit of that right now. You know what I mean? Like citizens united or like dark money or astroturfing or or or pork and bills or tying things together or emergency. It's just all the shit of like how the fuck are we supposed to even move the needle at all as people? Right. At all. It seems impossible. The way the shit's set up. Yeah, it definitely does now.

35:35And AI doesn't seem like, oh, I don't think the problem is a lack of understanding. I think the problem is the system set up so that it's the only way to get a law made is like getting a building name. You got up 10 million bucks. Yeah, there's a little bit of that going on too. I mean, there's no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing it, which is just insane. It's insane. And money and dollars. There's no way to run for senate without a hundred. You're not a hundred. Right. You're getting a job that's 150 ,000 dollars a year and you're spending a month to know.

36:08People in the primary have a hundred. Yeah. It's sweetie. And then that's not. Yeah, it's insane. It's like, make it haily that had no chance of being president. It had hundreds of millions dollars in them. Yeah. And that's just like, oh, fourth runner up. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, it's it's and I don't and that's one of the things where like, how does AI help us? Supreme courts locked in for as long as they live, fucking insane. Yeah. Until you die a star chain like a sci -fi star chamber. Until you die. Wow. That's a horrible idea. Yeah. It's not even dependent upon whether or not your ideas or even, they even make sense.

36:51Like, you see, Katanji Brown Jackson, who they asked her what a woman is and she said, I'm not a biologist. Yeah. Like, right, but you're a woman. Like, maybe take a crack at it. You know what's funny is because you go more right. You go to her and I'm thinking, Alito. You go, you do you see whatever Alito. I'm just talking about one specific thing. Of course. Yeah. I guess we what a man is. I can see what a man is. Yeah. And I'm not a biologist. Yeah. I'm a man. Yeah. Yeah. So, I do worry about, to me, it's not even a lack of information. Sometimes it's a lack of information. I mostly think it's rigged against the people.

37:30It's rigged against the citizens to not have any say in any of the shit. It definitely is somewhat, but you also do need someone who actually understands the law and to withhold the constitution, to uphold it, to make sure that you don't pass things that do violate very core tenets of how our society is structured. What did Alito do that was? Oh, I don't know. I just, as a liberal, I'm just like, it seems like those guys want to like get very rid of. I'm pretty liberal. I'm just liberal what a liberal used to be. Right. You know, that's what I was saying. You learn more, lean more right at this point.

38:03I don't even lean more right. I lean more center, which is right now. It's just, it's so, the left has gone to so far to the left. It's gone so far in this strange territory. This bizarre land of cult -like thinking. It's very strange. It's driven by the, it's sort of, everyone's afraid of upsetting. It's the tyranny of the minority. No one can say, hey, do we have favor? Shut the fuck up. Or we're going to lose all of this. If we make this about just your minor grievance or issue, we're going to lose the whole thing. But it becomes about the various, you know, D .I. or transgender or whatever, all these things that are not unimportant, but they're just not the most important.

38:59And no, you're not allowed to say to someone anymore. Your shit is not the most important thing. Because of whatever, the ego, many of our culture, everyone's issue is the number one issue. And it's like, no, it's the number one issue for you. But it's not the number one issue for half of the population of the country. Well, it's also the thing is if you oppose any of these protected ideas, you'll get attacked. Yeah. You get attacked and labeled as the worst thing possible. Yeah. Whatever that is. When you agree with them in 99 % of other issues. But they because it's they just prioritize, it's just this thing of like, no, this is it's like the kids playing soccer where it's just running a bunch of, this is the most important thing.

39:44And it's like, is this really, and then you can't go, the fuck are you talking about? Do you have to go, yes, I honor. You have to start bowing and I honor you have to do the Nancy Pelosi down on a knee with the Kende Klop. And it's like, no, that's an important issue. It can't be them. It might not be the most important issue. And then they go, well, then we're not, we're going to withhold our vote. Oh, really? You're a fucking child. And you don't understand the way politics work if you're going to withhold your vote because of one issue. Yeah. And it happens, oh, and it's just, and it's also a revolving thing of like, we're going to withhold because of Israel.

40:21We're going to withhold because of transgender. We're going to withhold because of D .I. We're going to withhold, uh, on and on and on. And it's as someone who is on their side, it's a bit like, oh, please shut the fuck up. Yeah. Because you're going to blow this for all of us. Well, each party becomes captured by the most extreme versions of it. Yeah. You look at the right, the right gets captured by, you know, what people think of the right, the thing like proud boys or something like that. Yeah. Or guns, just got, yeah. The left, they think of it. Or now abortion, yeah. Yeah. It was always something.

40:53Yeah. There's always something that's ridiculous. And there are, and then you, and then it turns out that like the Republican stats on abortion are like 55 % of Republicans think abortion should be like, you know what I mean? And it's like, well, then how the fuck did they, because it's, you know, it's almost like they did, it's they always say about revolving to like the dog who caught the car. You know, like they, they, they use abortion as a, you know, driving issue thinking like it'll never happen. And then they, it happened. And they're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Okay. I guess it's, I guess Arizona goes, okay, we're going back to 1864 or whatever.

41:31It's a law from the 1800s that they upheld two days ago. Well, it's always interesting how ignorant people are about the rest of the world too. Like I'm going to Europe where women have the right to choose. Well, go to France because they have a limitation there too. It's like, I think it's, no one ever looks it up. Also try to get a, try to get a citizenship. How are you going to do that? Yeah. How you going to do it? Look it up once, but they haven't looked it up. Yeah. I've been doing a joke about how American women are like American men are the worst. And I'm like, who do you think's coming?

42:02Who do you who's coming? Italian guys, the first of all, they're bringing their moms. That's a, and B, you're going to have to start cooking dinner at 2 .15 every afternoon. I hope you're happy. Well, that's the least of your words. Sharia law. I mean, that's the ultimate punchline. It's like, Middle Eastern guys, I'm not even going to finish this joke because it's, they don't have the best sense of humor about about there. Yeah, but if you look up like, look up general medilation. Yeah. It's really grim in terms of the, what these other guys are out here doing ladies. Not like us American hero men.

42:37No, but it is, it really is like a pretty, people don't look it up. They just, they like sulking. Yeah, but also there's so many issues that most people are just not informed. They just know what their side goes with. And so they adhere to whatever the, whatever the doctrine is. I was, I remember looking up abortion laws worldwide four or five years ago. They like, it wasn't as like blanket as I thought. Well, Burr had the best bit on that. I think you should have the right to choose, but I also think you can't let a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. I mean, a certain point time, it is a baby. So the question is, who gets to decide?

43:15Right. That's the whole thing of when, because I did a joke like, I, you know, liberals have to support everybody. Not fetuses. And, and the New York Times wrote me up like, I just saw Neil Bernan do it sort of anti -abortion joke. And it was like joining Bill Burr and George Carlin. And I was like, are you trying to insult me? Because thank you for that fucking barbed insult. But, but yeah, like the, even knowing when, even if you go, no, I believe it doesn't start. It's all sort of, ah, scientists like the heartbeat or the fetal, whatever. It's all a bit like, you're all guessing. Yeah. And I will also, I'll admit, I'm guessing.

44:04It's just which guess suits my needs? Do you know what I mean? Right. Like, if I'm, if I got a girl that I'm not trying to be with, who's, who's, uh, who's pregnant, who's, who's periods late, I'm like, I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester. Like, I believe in it late. Whereas if I'm, if I'm, you know, not, if I'm 65 and can't get some of your whatever, probably can't get some of it. 65 or whatever, whatever age, there is no age of, uh, Al Pacino just that a kid. Al Pacino's 80 years old. How I know, fuck. 80 years old. Yeah. And he also wanted to make sure the kid was his, which is like a great way to start.

44:44Somebody I know was doing pickup at school with, with De Niro. Like recently, it was just like, yeah, I can't believe you're still doing this. Well, isn't this like, I mean, how many times has he been married? These guys just, did, did, did, did, dive right back in? Yeah, I've never understood that. I've never understood that need. Like Rubra Murnock just did it. I think, yeah. I think they're just comfortable with having a partner and they just don't want to exist in this weird state where they're texting people and calling people, especially when you're in your 70s. Yeah. You're trying to hook up.

45:20Don't get me wrong. It's humiliating. Right. A bit of you're a 70 year old famous guy and you get divorced. I bet, I bet it's probably pretty easy to find someone new who like plays the role and probably pretty easy to get duped. Pretty easy. Yeah, because they know, yeah, for like the time as I might, if I'm the girl in my time, I just got to ride this baby out. Yeah, all you have to do is just be the right person that this guy needs for a small amount of time and you don't have to work ever again. Ever. Like if you're a person who's running around there scratching out 60, 70 grand a year and barely getting by and then you hook up with them to me.

45:59And I know to change your life, you just have to need to, you need to stand and Robert De Niro's eye line. Yeah. With what my friend calls available sexual energy. Yeah. Available sexual energy and just be nice. Just be nice to him. Yeah. So he needs just talk to him. You're candy striping. Yeah, you just don't, you don't have to work hard. So don't be offensive. Don't be rude. Don't, don't fuck with him. Don't insult him. Don't play the same games that you'd play with a 30 year old guy that doesn't have any money. Nope. Play, play a different game. If he doesn't text you back, it's because he doesn't know how to text sweetie because he's a fucking old dude.

46:32Or he can't, doesn't have his glasses or you can't see what you wrote him. A lot of this. Nope. That's the sad part about BNRH. Anytime I go look at this meme, all my friends have to put glasses on and start holding. Exactly. It's fucking, humiliation. You can mitigate some of that. There's a, there's a, there's certain vitamins that you can take that stop macular degeneration. Pure encapsulations has a macular support formula. But doesn't work. Yeah, it stopped it. Stopped it for me. For you? Yeah, totally stopped it. Totally stopped it. You were like, do you wear glasses? Contacts. Yeah, I read, I wear glasses when I write.

47:11You know, I wear reading glasses when I write, but I can look at my phone. No problem. I could read websites. Did it get better or it just stopped? Got a little better. Yeah. A little better with red light too. Red light therapy. Yeah, I have a red light bed that I lay in. And that, do you, are your eyes open? Yeah. Yeah, keep your eyes open. And you're laying in a bed. Yeah, it's just staring at red light. It's just chilling. Usually I just listen to books. Yeah, I would like to do that because it gets worse. It just gets, it's such a bummer. Well, are he got surgery? He got lasix on his eyes.

47:43And then his eyes got worse after the surgery. They got better. That can happen sometimes, right? Well, you have the natural course of macular degeneration that takes places you age. So his eyes were great at first. Like this is great. You don't have to work glasses anymore. And then a couple of years later, five, six, seven years later, starts getting really shitty again. And it's just, yeah, that's just... Yeah, I think that happened to Bill Marto. He couldn't, he kept getting lasick. Maybe I'm remembering this wrong. And then at a certain point, they're like, we can't lasick you. You just have to work glasses.

48:15Well, that's scary. Getting more and more eye surgeries is fucking terrifying. Yeah, that's probably the one that makes you wince the most. Because those videos... It doesn't go well every time. Like, there's certain times where people get infections or it just doesn't heal my eyes. Or you just... Your eyes are fucked. You have a halo around lights and shit. Oh, yeah, I have a friend who can't drive at night. He got lasicks and now he can't drive at night. I think I would murder the doctor if that happened to me. He was so upset because he's like, I could have driven at night and just worn glasses when I had to read things.

48:51Because now I can't drive at night. Because he had lights see him. It's just like, he's blinded by halos. He can't see me. Around the circle. Like, he doesn't know where the car is, where the headlight is. He just sees this circle of light that surrounds things. Like, headlights and street lights. It's just terrible. Yeah, that would make me feel so sorry for myself. If I went for surgery and was like, worse off. Yeah, that's a problem with some surgeries. And the problem with surgeons is that when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And that's the only solution. Yeah, that's most, you know.

49:32I've had a bunch of surgeries that I avoided where the doctors are like, you're going to need surgery. And I was like, are you fucking sure? Are you sure? Neat shoulders. Yeah, shoulders is the big one. Yeah, I wound up getting stem cells in my back. I had bulging discs now. You got to get that trimmed. And I was like, are you sure? That's not the only way to do it. It's not the only way to do it. It's not a decompression, stem cells fixed it. I have zero problems. Yeah, zero problems with my neck, zero problems with my shoulder. I had a full length rotator cuff tear in my shoulder. And they were like, you're going to need surgery, 100%.

50:05And I went back to the doctor six months later. It's like, this is fucking crazy. Like that tear doesn't exist anymore. It's because stem cells. And direct into it. Yeah, direct into it. Yeah. And all was it, did you have to go far? Was it just like local? I did. Well, I did in Vegas and I did in LA. I did it several times. I think I did three injections in my shoulder. And then six months later, I got another MRI. And they're like, you don't have a tear anymore. The doctor was blown away. Because this was all, you know, we're talking about, I think my injury was like 2015, 2016, somewhere around then.

50:41So this was all fairly recent in terms of like the amount of results they were getting. And this doctor had never seen anything like it. He was blown away. He'd been an orthopedic surgeon for 20 years. Did you have to do anything? Did you have to rehab it or they did? I did. I did regular rehab. Like once I got the surgery, I did like a lot of things. But you're trying to bring back. What do you bring it? You're regenerating tissue. You're regenerating tissue. You're regenerating tissue. Can rehab help you with that? Or is that just a stem shot? Yeah, just strengthens it. I think the rehab with the stem, that the key is it's like not injuring it while you're healing.

51:13And the problem is it starts feeling better and then you start pushing. Then you reactivate the injury and then you're in this repetitive cycle. But if you can avoid that, like my friend Shane Dorian is a big wave surfer. And he got serious stem cells down in Tijuana where they could do wild shit. And he got his entire back done. So they put him under and they do every disc in his back. And they're like, you can't do anything. Like you can only walk for like a couple of months. Like that's all you can do. And for a guy like him who's a world champion surfer and he's an athlete and he's always exercising.

51:47He's always doing something that was crazy to just not... All you can do is walk. But now he feels fucking incredible. And it's just months later. And he has the back of a 20, his old back. Well, it's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Yeah. And that's the key to these things. And if you were allowed to do those in America, like you're allowed to do those overseas, I think you'd see remarkable improvements. But the problem is then you have orthopedic surgeons who don't want this to happen. And they'll try to tell you not to do it because if more people do it, they start telling more people to do it.

52:15People are going to avoid surgeries and they're going to be out of a job. There's one of these in Jimmy Fyre bring this up. There's a film that they can put on teeth that will basically just prevent cavities forever. Really? Yeah. I thought like three weeks ago, there's like a microscopic film invisible. Like they kind of paint it on. They want to do it on kids. Like low -income kids. And it will, again, maybe I miss Reddit. Jamie, if you look it up. Wow. I haven't heard of that. That's crazy. No, it's a new thing. But there are. And I'm not even, I mean, I am conspiracy minded in terms of like, yeah, people will try to prevent that.

52:58But I wonder which ones they'll let through. Well, if there's money in painting people's kids with that stuff, they might let it through. The scariest one is fluoride. The fluoride in the water thing is bananas. Because they're like, oh, it prevents tooth decay. It also fucking causes a drop in IQ that's absolutely measurable. If you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in the water and the amount of the drop in IQs in that area, there's a direct correlation. But it's in like a lot of countries. Fluoride is a weird one, man, because there's a lot of like very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neural.

53:35And it's not good for you at all. And they're like, oh, yeah, but in small doses. But fucking says who? Says who? And for what purpose? The way I pointed out, it's like, say if someone gets skin cancer and you say, okay, well, we're going to put sunscreen and all the apples. Well, hey, hold the fuck on. How about just brush your fucking teeth? Why do you have to put that shit in the water? So every time I cook spaghetti, I have fluoride in my fucking spaghetti. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm curious, because I looked this up recently, because what I've heard is the amount of fluoride that makes a toxic is like just a huge amount.

54:10It's like the dog eating chocolate thing. They're look up how much chocolate a dog has to eat to kill it. Yeah, it's like half its body weight or something. It's like, it's a huge amount. And I, what I remember is that in order for fluoride to be toxic, it's got to be a major amount. Right, but there's a correlation between high levels of fluoride and water and low IQs. We don't really know, and it's developmental cycle of a child that you're interfering with. So if you take children and you give them this neurotoxin and you have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities, and you literally lower their IQ, which seems possible.

54:47Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they came to the decision. It's not getting reason to do it. There's no reason to do it. It's stupid. Cavity fighting liquid prevents 80 % of cavities. Finds largest US study, new treatment uses silver, diamond fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities. The cavities should have never brought it. Well, it's a surface thing though. Well, it stuck in your mouth though, I think. You're not drinking it. What's it saying? Dental cavities are distressing sensation that if left untreated can result in terrifying pain, swelling and relentless nights.

55:22Team of researchers in New York University identified a cavity fighting solution that is both effective and affordable. New treatment uses silver, diamond fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even shields the existing ones from getting worse. So that doesn't really prevent you from getting cavities. Like stops cavities. Did it just say it shields cavities? Well, it says it's an expensive liquid that prevents cavities. But it does it cover the teeth and prevents future cavities. I believe maybe in the next paragraph, we'll say that. It's quicker to apply less expensive than sealant.

55:53So it seems like they're doing it on cavities, prevent and arrest cavities, reducing the need for drilling and filling. So they can prevent cavities on people that don't have cavities and then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse. Dental cavities are prevalent in concerns, and these control, but it doesn't just brush your fucking teeth, prevent cavities. Yeah, yes. I don't have those things. No, I have. I have an ad cavity since I was a little kid. I just brushed my teeth. Thank you, fluoride. I don't think it's fluoride. That's the tonight's episode that Joe wrote.

56:29I don't use fluoride in my home. Is that true? Yeah, I try to avoid fluoride wherever possible. You live with fluoride. I mean, the first half of your life was all with your riddled fluoride. I'm sure I got it. Until a couple, until you move here. My teeth fluoride teeth? No. Even when I live in L .A. No, I just never drank. Oh, you did. You had your own well. Or you had your own drug. You have a drug water on the top. Interesting. It's fucking terrible for you. It smells bad. It smells like chemicals. And even if it's mostly okay, it's like, why are you doing that to yourself? Like, if you ever seen any of this studies on fluoride, there's not a lot of things like The ones I saw were just like, it's pretty minor.

57:06The ones I've seen. It's not necessarily minor. It's poison, and it's not necessary. There's no reason for it. And it seems like there's a lot of money tied into fluoridating drinking water. Look up countries that fluorinate their fluoridized. Fluorify. Fluorify. They're water. Because it's. Yeah, I looked it up. Yeah, I looked it up. So if we all have bad IQs, it's fine. Did you watch the Sin and On thing? There's a HBO documentary about this. It's really, you'll really like it. It's like. How about what? It's called Sin and On. Sin and On. It was like a group. It was a bit of a, it was a cult.

57:47And then they, it started out as like kind of a self -help as like a 12 -step fellowship. It's the classic. Then it became a cult. Then the leader goes crazy. I'm on it. It's only, I was a dude. It really does follow like the, the thing of like every cult at some point the leader goes, hey, I spoke to God and he needs me to fuck all your wives. Sorry, guys. Sin and On. Yeah. What is it about? It's also, it's an old cult. It's from the 70s. Yeah. The Golden Age. The late started in the 60s, went into the 70s, starts in black and white. Anything about this. Yeah, it's on HBO Max, whatever. Everyone shapes their heads.

58:26It's fucking right up your alley. Like it's, yeah, there's the guy. Yeah, look at him. Audio of him screaming at them. And attack against Sin and On is attack against him. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's the fucking custom made for you. That's beautiful. I've literally never heard of it. It's been on for, it just came out last week. Oh, I, I have a thing in my, in my new Netflix about where I'm talking about you, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the outsize role that, you know, because corporation, corporate leaders have been are basically pieces of shit, politicians of pieces of shit, clergy, emoms, pastors of pieces of shit.

59:10Now somehow it's all become like, well, what are the clowns think? Now it's up to, now it's up to comedians to be the moral arbiters. And it's you, Dave. I mentioned, Ellen, I mentioned Kevin Hart, I mentioned just all these people that's like, why are you guys can sit, I mean, I know why, because it's just everyone else couldn't do it. And comedians have opinions and like, Carlin was moral sometimes. John Stewart is moral, you know, but I don't, but it's one of these things. It's like, it shouldn't be up to us guys. Right. We're like, we shouldn't be the backstop. We shouldn't be the moral backbone of America.

59:55Well, one of the rare people, the rare groups of people that are allowed to speak freely. Yeah. And that's what it is. It's like, we're the one as long as we could find an angle where it's funny. Well, that's the thing is people are mad. It's like on here, people get mad at you for not being reading the talking points of the national and his health. You know what I mean? Like what did I never understand what people want you to be? Like what do you, or walk me through this where Joe says everything you want him to say? It's not possible. It's also not, it's not a show anymore. Right, but you also, you can't make everyone happy.

1:00:35It's impossible. Yeah. And if you try to operate in this world where you're trying to make people happy versus just trying to be honest, you're fucked. You're fucked. You're fucked from the jump. There's no way to do that. It's not possible. You won't be you anymore. You will be compromised. Yeah. You know, I mean, I feel that about so many things. I feel that about reading comments. I don't think you should read comments. I don't, I think that it's, it's a, it's been a detriment to certainly like public comment. It's what, whatever we do, whatever like public speaking to, because it really does kind of, you think about like, what are they going to?

1:01:16What's the worst thing you could possibly say about what I'm thinking of saying? Right. And it's a bad way to approach things. It's also people that are deeply dishonest. Of course. And deeply unhappy and deeply, like they did with your joke about abortion. Like, oh, right. So he's just a grifter. It's a pro abortion grifter. Yeah. Trying to get that right, weighing money instead of just trying to make a point. But everyone's trapped. They're trapped in these ideological bubbles and they don't know what to do. And it's if you keep reading the comments on that bubble, you will stay trapped. You will stay trapped.

1:01:48You're, you're fucked. You have to be, you have to be able to think freely and express yourself freely. And you could be wrong. And if you're wrong, you have to be able to admit you're wrong. And you have to be able to say why you're wrong and why you thought this and why you think differently now. And that's just a function of being an honest human being. And it's possible to do. But God, damn, that is a white water rafting trip that is fucking filled with rocks. Yeah. There's like, there's bears catching sand on your phone. It's crazy. Scrape your fucking foot. Yeah. It's scary. It's scary. How do you, like, do you, do you monitor yourself at all?

1:02:25Do you know what I mean? Like, do you have you had, have you gone like, what, this is getting pretty. This is getting pretty, uh, this megaphone's getting pretty big. You're having a higher, a lot of security at your live shows. You know what I mean? Like just, I'm assuming like the bigger, the venues are getting bigger. There's just more. Does it ever go? Uh, does it? I mean, it's got to be validating for you as a person, right? You got to be like, oh, I must have, I kind of, I must have done some shit right. And then does it make you, uh, police yourself? Do you go like, let me really try to be, I think it makes you, you, you definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it.

1:03:11Instead of just shooting off the cuff, which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger, I'd have an idea in my head and I just run with it. And then I try to defend that idea. But even the fluoride thing, right? Yeah. What we just talked about. Mm -hmm. That's the same conversation we would have had 10 years ago. Sure. Yeah. Does it, do you now think of how, do you go, I have to know what studies are, what? And if that's a true, and it's been, uh, you know, replicated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, or is it still kind of the same? Like, yeah, I think I read that. The same thing we all do generally, which is like, yeah, I read that.

1:03:47I heard that or whatever. Well, it's been a while, but I've read multiple studies. No, yeah, but I'm saying to multiple experts. Yeah. If I didn't, I would say I'm not sure. Mm -hmm. I'm not sure. I know, I'm not sure. But fluoride is not healthy. It's not a good technique. But I'm saying, I just want to, but that's one of those ones where I can just say that. Yeah. But then there's other things where it's like vegan diet. I know people to do it. I know people that are pulled it off. It's possible to do it. Yeah, you look like shit. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I'm not a fucker. You look fine and healthy.

1:04:16But you can do it if you supplement carefully and you're a smart guy. You know what to eat and what not to eat. And I get my blood tested and get a guy and you tell him, yeah, you have money. You can do all the things you do to make sure that you're okay. And it absolutely can be done. I know people that eat a vegan diet. And I also think there's biodiversity. There's some people. Their ancestry is very different. Their genetics are very different. And their much more vegan diet is more tolerable for them. Like Indian people. Indian people have been eating vegetarian food for so fucking long. You know, I would imagine that their body, their genes have adapted if they've come from a long line of vegetarians.

1:04:56Yeah, like they're kind of stuck with vegetable. And they're kind of stuck with. Maybe it would be beneficial for them to supplement. Or they figured it out. They have it. Their body has figured, if they're whatever was deficient in, it's figured out a way around it by what was available to them. Right. But when we look at countries that consume more meat, they're healthier and they live longer. Hong Kong is a great example of that. So there's some great studies that have been done on Hong Kong. They have like one of the highest meat consumptions and higher life expectancies. And but it's a big thing.

1:05:28Yeah, and then that's also like blue zone. How long have they been doing it? Yeah. And the blue zone are like a little bit of protein. Yeah, it's, I guess what you're saying is the acknowledgement that like, shit's complicated and there's no one right or wrong answer. There's also things like healthy user bias. Like the most important thing that pretty much, most of the objective doctors will say, the most important thing is physical activity. And then if you are not physically active and you eat well, you're almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active. Yeah. Then then doing that.

1:06:00By the way, this is always fascinating to me because I've been asking people, do you know what percentage of people die? Smokers die of lung cancer? What percentage? 10 to 15%. That's crazy. Isn't that low? That's crazy. Wouldn't you think it's like 60? That's crazy. And I looked it up repeatedly like, am I misreading this? The amount of smokers that die of lung cancer is 10 to 15%. But do they die of other stuff all the way? Well, yeah, of course, chroma, varieties, et cetera, et cetera. But like, smoking just in general, like limiting your oxygen intake, there's a lot of factors. Yeah, but it's not as bad as you don't.

1:06:42You know what I mean? This one doctor that I was talking to that was very adamant about that. He goes physical activity. If you don't have physical activity, you might as well be a drinker and a smoker. Yeah. You're fucked. And then there's also the loneliness thing. Oh, yeah. That's a big one, man. It's a big factor. What percentage of folks? Studies found the risk of developing lung cancer increases to 14 % if you smoke cigarettes. If you smoke one to five cigarettes per day, your risk is around 7 .7%. And if you smoke more than 35 cigarettes a day, you have a 26 % chance of developing. Well, that's a lot.

1:07:12That's all 35 % a day, though, by 80. Every I know, it's like all the whole lifetime of smoking 35. What is that a pack and a half? Yeah, almost two. Two, yeah. Is two packs 40? Yeah. Yeah, 20 and a pack. Wow. 26 % still a three and a four. Yeah, it's like you're, which by the way is the exact same number of FDA drugs that get pulled 25 % of all FDA approved drugs get pulled because they've killed too many people. Oh, right. When they're like, oh, fuck. Whoopsies. We didn't test it good enough. Yeah, whoopsies. We believe those pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah. That was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies.

1:07:52And especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living, litigating, financial settlements for adverse effects of drugs. And you find out that scientists when you hear about peer reviewed data, they're not even allowed to see the actual data. They see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that perform the studies. I'm up too much about this because on the one hand, I agree with you and I've had similar experiences. And on the other hand, I'm like, people, I don't fucking have time to do the research on all of these things myself. And I have a lot of time.

1:08:29Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't, they are, everything's fucking corrupt. And it's so aggravating and so like predictable because just human beings and they're just gonna be corrupt. And you just have to hope that the thing that you're, the pill you're taking wasn't a victim of the corruption or the operation or even the stem, or whatever you do, you just have to hope it wasn't a victim of humanity. And so I'm with you because I've heard shit about, in fact, I've learned you can test for anything. It's a, you know, I've heard the statistician say, you can make anything, you can crunch numbers, anyway you want to get to what you need.

1:09:14Well, they certainly have done that, you know, and that's the big viox scandal. Like in the emails when they released viox, they literally said, which one's viox? Viox is an anti -inflammatory that they use that is no better than non -stortal anti -inflammatories, like ibuprofen and it's killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 ,000 Americans for it was pulled. Well, there was that other one, the ibuprofen, not ibuprofen, the one the anti -histamine that wasn't anything. What's that one? The pseudo -fed one, the one that was like a month and a half ago, most cough medicine wasn't medicine. What?

1:09:49Look at it, it was, I assumed you just did, you did like an emergency episode about this. I'm very tired of it. No, look it, I don't even know what to look up. Cough medicine, is it medicine? It's fraud. Yeah, look up cough medicine, isn't medicine. It was fucking insane. And but again, I have, my kid has a cold. Right. Right. So my kid's literally, it's stuffed up this very second. I'm a parent, the fuck am I supposed to do? Right, you get medicine. Yeah. Is that the store, cough medicine? Got it. Got cough medicine for it. Got, got good. I'm a good parent. They should knock it out. And it turns out it's just a bunch of garbage.

1:10:32What is it Jamie? Do you find anything? Yeah, I got, I'm trying to dig through, I got conflicting information real quick. This is what happens, yeah. This is what. The pharmaceutical drug companies are like little trolls. They put a bunch of fake studies. Or hurts. It's complicated. Yeah, shit is definitely complicated, but there's also a lot of fun in it. No, I know. That's the issue. It's with all this stuff. It's like, shit's complicated and people are corrupt and people try to thwart information and bad information rises. And there's enough, it's just, it's spider meme. Yeah. It's just everything's fucking incredibly complex.

1:11:05OJ was dead for about an hour before I saw people connecting to the vaccine. OJ was telling people to get vaccinated. Well, maybe, maybe this guy who murdered his fucking wife and her boyfriend, maybe he was racked with guilt, his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety. And everywhere he went, people yelled at him and called him a murderer. And maybe he didn't sleep good. And he, by the way, still made it to 76. Right, which is like, I think two years, older than most people died. I think the average age is like 72, 74. Like what's the average American male life expectancy, Jamie?

1:11:45It's either us. I'd say 72. I want to say 72. Well, black man is way lower and fucking football players is probably 58. Right. Good point. Good point. But, but, which is interesting too, because one of the things that his, one of his attorneys said that a CTE, the information was available today, like it was in 94, they would have used that in his defense. Right. Okay. Which is kind of crazy. But, well, it doesn't get him to say it. Does he, does he found more innocent? 76. So 76 years. So he hit the number. Oh, I'm joking. Good for you, Joseph. Oh, Chase landed exactly on the average American number.

1:12:19I found it. So the FDA press release says this. Yeah, the deviser declares ineffectiveness of widely used over -the -counter decongestant active ingredient. The active ingredient in decongestants was nothing. Popular over -the -counter medicines for colds and allergies don't work FDA panel set, and that's Sudafit. What it really is, is it took, I get, it's like this ingredient in there with Sudafit. Benadryl. Benadryl and most decongestants don't work. Wow. The over -the -counter histamine, any histamine, Benadryl is not being pulled from the pharmacy shell. So misleading headlines it says. Despite miscellaneous headlines such as Sudafit, Benadryl, and most decongestants don't work.

1:13:02They're not being pulled from pharmacy shells. A FDA, a Food and Drug Administration Advisory Committee voted 16 to 0 on Tuesday that current scientific data does not support the use of active ingredient, phenyl, phenelephrine, and over -the -counter products such as Benadryl, allergy plus congestion. This does not however pertain to any histamines, such as Benadryl, which contain the active ingredient, dive phenhydramine. Yeah, this is already confused. You don't even know what I'm already like. Wait, what? They're probably munking around with the stuff just to try to get it a little less scammy.

1:13:41There it is, it's a nasal decongestant. Okay, brand names, the medications include phenelephrine, such as Benadryl, have other products with distinct active ingredients. So there's one ingredient that doesn't work. Okay, the FDA committee voted on the question whether or not the evidence supported the use of the active, how's that word? Moiety, moiety, phenelephrine, as an effective nasal decongestant. The panel concluded that products which include phenelephrine are not effective against nasal congestion though they were not deemed unsafe, but they don't work. So that's like parts of them work.

1:14:19One of the ingredients doesn't is nothing. But it says that the products that include phenelephrine are not effective against nasal congestion though they were not deemed unsafe. It still says it doesn't work, right? Yeah, there might be other ingredients that do work. But say, right now, work either we'll have to wait and see. Though the FDA is not bound to the committee's recommendations, why should it be? It's only science. Very likely the agency will follow its advice. In turn, this may lead to pharmacies, pulling products containing oral, finethylene, phenelephrine, phenelephrine, phenelephrine, at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered.

1:15:01There are branded products that include names, Sudafid and Benadryl that do work as nasal decongestants. They contain the active ingredient, pseudoephyrene.

1:15:14Sudafidryn. Yeah, pseudoephydrine. But because the dangerous elicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal laboratories with pseudoephydrine, these products were placed behind the counter years ago in 2005 Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act, which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase logs. Yeah, you got to show your driver's license. I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like, what? What do I have to do? Yeah. And they were like, yeah, people can make meth with this. You're like, do you know who I am? I'm never going to stop talking about it.

1:15:47I'm like, how much meth can you make? Off of one of these things, is it enough? Like how many meths can they would do? They would go from pharmacy to pharmacy. Just get boxes and boxes of it. And then cook it up. Just like just, wow. Can get a job. The, also just get an out of roll. Yeah, or yeah, exactly. Help us grab that to you. Well, yeah, it's how run it. We're running short, yeah. Yeah, I'm just, apparently we are, right? Yeah, we're running short on an out of roll. Uh huh. Yeah, so no, it's interesting to see, you know, you and people we've known so long being held up as like, you know, when it's like, what was the thing you, fit Simmons helped you steal back a car radio or something?

1:16:31Huh? Didn't fit Simmons when you were roommates? You guys, are you dated his roommate? Oh, yeah, yeah, I jumped a fence because my car got towed and they had my radio in it. I jumped a fence to get my radio. So that's the joke being fit to have it. Whenever there's a headline like White House concern with Joe Rogan, we're like, I bet this is about the radio, right? I'm jumping the fence to steal that car radio in 1990. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, like it's like, it's like, what do you do it? I'm gonna hop this fence. Give me a fucking radio. Yeah, and he helped, he was he aided it about it.

1:17:06But it is like, hey, who should, I don't know, maybe you and Dave are as good as it. I don't fucking know. Well, you know, everybody should be able to discuss things. Yeah, the problem is I can discuss things in millions of people here. That's the problem. And do you ever, yeah, that's what I guess I'm wondering, like does it, does it, I think you're right to not pay attention, but it does a party. You're like, should I be paying more attention to this? Should I be more concerned about being a news outlet or whatever the fuck you're supposed to be? I think I'm very careful about certain things.

1:17:41And I'm very careful that I, at least now, I know what I'm talking about. Or I say, I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Like be clear. And then also, you know, if you know something and you don't say it, and that thing can benefit people or they can inform their decision making, you should say it. It's important, especially if you know things, if you absolutely know something to be a fact, like say it. And especially if you realize there's immense pressure from these financial institutions or pharmaceutical drug companies or whatever it is, to not say that thing because it's gonna, it's gonna, do you want to feel squeezed?

1:18:24Not squeezed, but do you ever feel people floating information? You're like, oh, I'm definitely, Jimmy, float that baby up on screen. Have conversations with people where I'm like this person's feeding me bullshit. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's like you have to learn how to like navigate those waters. Like I definitely think people have probably been angled to come on the show to feed me bullshit or are feeding me bullshit once they get on the show? Yeah, definitely. And you know, you have to kind of make a decision then. Like, do I even air this? Do I not air this? Do I, do I, how do I dance around this?

1:19:01Like this seems like we should pause this and actually research it before we go any further. So I feel like I'm being fucked with. Yeah. Yeah. And it is, there is, it's the new, the institution news media, institutional news, legacy media or whatever. It's another one of those like 77 -year -old women who still think they're fine. Well, it's way worse. We can't fucking lot. If you pretend you have an monopoly on the truth, you know what you have to only say is the truth. It can't be, obviously there's biases, whatever human biases everywhere and institutional biases, but some of these people are so clit lazy.

1:19:43Well, it's just like you were saying with the 75 -year -old woman that still thinks she's hot. Like the news still thinks that people believe them. Mm -hmm. You know, and I counted that when they were saying that I was taking horse medication. Yeah. You mean the horse medication that won the Nobel Prize for being, as an anti -malarial, that one, like four years ago, four years before and now it's for horses? Well, everything's for horses. Well, yeah, everything's a horse medication. If the horse is sick enough, grass is a fucking everything. If the horse eats it, they're so dumb that they thought that they could do that.

1:20:16Which is absolutely wild. Yeah. But that just shows you the arrogance of those organizations. Yeah. They're so full of shit and so captured by money that they're willing to lie. And that not just lie, but lie with the same lie across multiple platforms. And they're doing it specifically because they're being told to do that. Yeah. And they're just hammering credibility for nothing. For what? For nothing. For one thing that is, it's gonna last for a year or so until people realize what the fuck is going on and now you're doomed. And now everyone's gonna go, yeah, but they lied about that. What do they say about Iran?

1:20:54What do they say about Syria? What do they say about? This a nuclear energy. What do they say about pollution? Well, what's funny is that it is super, it makes, it complicates things. That is like what are they saying about Israel? Like the, Gazan Israel feels like the, it's like the most modern, it in 20 years ago, this would have been like open and shut. In 20 years ago, it would have been 9 .11, right? They did this, we're going in and anything we do is justifiable. And now it's, they did this, we're going in and they're going with the 77 year old former fine woman and they're doing shit thinking that they can get away with it.

1:21:40And now it's like, ah, now everyone's watching, they're all the shit that, that slowly leaked and came out. I would agree with all the sort of severe violations. Now it's all happening on the daily. Yeah. And it makes things, it's so, everything's so complicated. It's so complicated. One of the interesting things about the Israel thing was that, you know, Hamas attacks on October 7th and within days, there's pro -Hamas rallies. So before Israel is even retaliated. Doug, this Maris talked about this a lot. That was the most insane. Yeah. I think that is one of those things where I am very inclined to think that that is fueled by foreign actors.

1:22:22I'm very inclined to think that TikTok algorithms and bots and all these different things fed a lot of these like hyperwoke kids into taking this contrarian stance against the popular narrative that, you know, Israel was just attacked. And so, you know, Israel is an oppressor and look at the done to Palestine, it justifies it and what else can they do? And like, what else can they do? It's like, go door to door and rape and murder people. Is that really what we're saying? Yeah. Like that you should cheer them? Yeah. I know. And then they, Israel does shit all the time. They're like, fuck, don't do that.

1:23:00Exactly. And but at the same time, I'm like, I'm not, yeah, it's like. Well, imagine living there though. Imagine living either in Israel or Palestine and trying to find a solution to that. Good. It's you, once you look at it, once you start researching it, you just go, fuck, and this is not. I don't think I can figure this baby out. This is a video game that you just tossed the controller. Yeah. Yeah. That fucking, I'm not, this, this, I don't even like this kind of game. And I was reading today that there's, there's state departments warning that Iran is planning attacks on Israel. Yeah. Oh my god.

1:23:40Oh my god. What are you doing? Yeah. And what do you have? Do they have nukes yet? I know they've been working on a nuclear program forever. What if they're the first person to use it and they use it on Jerusalem? Jesus Christ. Uh -huh. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And then, but people think that they have, they know what it should be. And it's like, do you get anxiety thinking about like world events ever? Yeah. I get it. Less so. Less so in that, which we can talk about a little bit, but, but less so just in turn my own personal development. But it's, um, if I had kids, I would really, really worry about it.

1:24:20I don't, yeah, I don't, I have, I'm involved with a woman who has a kid. So I'm, it's like, you know, it's growing my, my sort of paternalism. But, um, yeah, I don't, I don't, it's, it's a, it's pretty, where, this is a pretty rough time. It's a weird time. It's a really weird time. But I think every time is a weird time. Like in the 1960s during the Vietnam War, people were terrified of the future. Yeah. I remember during George Floyd, Chris Racco's, this is every week in the 60s. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X both got a session like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy.

1:24:57Uh -huh. Real quickly. Yeah. Over a course of a few years. Yeah. Um, I think it's just, we, we developed societal amnesia and we try to remember the, the past is some sort of a utopian time, you know, but then if you like, look at the documentaries about the weather underground and like there's always been like wild shit happening in this country. Yeah. It's, but it's also back then wild shit. You really only heard about through the large corporate media. I know that's the funny thing. It's now it's like we're getting, you don't need to leak Abu Ghraib. You don't need to leak, uh, get my photos.

1:25:33You know, it's all, it's all coming out that afternoon. Right. And then now there's the rise of independent journalism, you know, the Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taiyubis, people that you can actually trust. Michael Shellenberger, people that are on this street, like telling, and they're not attached to any large corporate media outlet. And that's very important because now you get a, or if you're willing to do the work and willing to read what they're saying, you get a much more balanced, nuanced perspective on what the factors are and what all these different contributing factors that, are so hard to sort out with everything.

1:26:09Like if you try to pay attention to what's happening in Brazil right now, you're like, oh my God, what the fuck? If you try to pay attention to what's happening in any other foreign country anywhere, anywhere, literally like Canada, a shit that should be like, used to be like a gimme. Like, oh, Canada, I can't find it. And then you go like, what the fuck? Yeah. Mexico, just go, let's start at the top and go down. Yeah. Finland, Denmark, England, if I could, Iceland, but all of them. And then how is mass immigration, illegal immigration ubiquitous? How is it everywhere in the world, all at one point in time?

1:26:43How is like islands in Italy getting overrun with these African immigrants that are coming over on boats? So I made a really good observation, which is migration. It's been happening in all of human history. But not like this. Well, I don't know. Meaning the statistics in the country, in this country, they're really easy to find. Yeah, but I'm saying probably not relative to 17. They'd probably didn't have like great records until pretty recently. Well, they didn't have an open border policy until really recently. Yeah. It wasn't as easy to come across. You also weren't being incentivized. You weren't being given money.

1:27:14You weren't being given housing and shelter and much to the demise of the people that are poor that live there, that are American citizens that are freaking the fuck out in these poor communities. And you also know that immigration helps the economy. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's the thing they provide to get to it together. Everything's fucking like, yeah. But also, so that's where I go, I don't know. That's Tim Dylan's perspective. He thinks they're bringing in a cheap labor. He thinks you can't get people to work and get people to work. And including like our great grandparents, very great.

1:27:46Like it was just they needed jobs. Yeah. They needed jobs and then the reason, I don't, did you read the Cliff Nesteroff book about comedians getting canceled historically? No. You might want to have money or it's really good. But what is it called? Look it up. I read it like not long ago. K -L -I -P -H book. A Nesteroff, N -E -S -T. What is K -L -I -P -H? Okay, that's his name Cliff. Oh, Cliff. Yeah, Cliff Nesteroff. Hmm. Comedians, Drunk, Thieves, Scales. No, the outrageous history of show is that one. But the reason why so many Jewish people, Irish people and blind people, we came comedians.

1:28:34It was just because they couldn't get job anywhere else. Is that any Bruce? Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And like, why they get canceled, who gets canceled? And it's been happening. Guy's saying, I can't say anything in 1938. It's right. Like it's so, it's like kind of a tale is all this time. Yeah. But yeah, like people came for a job. Yeah, it's all of these things. You're right. And it helps the economy. There's a meme that I found online that is so funny, because it's from 1934. It's a cartoon from 1934 that's basically saying exactly what everyone is worried about today, both on the right and on the left.

1:29:22I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, about the government. It's crazy because this is the same story. It's 100 years later. It's the same story. Pull that up. Yeah. It's the same one as like Jews are subhuman and superhuman. Look at this. Plan of action for U .S. Spend, spend, spend under the guise of recovery. Bus the government, blame the capitalist for the failure, junk the Constitution and declare a dictatorship. The cartoon appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1934. Yeah. In that one. Yeah. The government is like, you know, spying on you and there inept. It says up there. It worked in Russia, so that's Stalin, I guess, is writing that out.

1:30:07Yeah. Wild. Yeah. That's what it's. It's wild in the future. But I read this time does feel pretty specific. This does feel especially grim. Yeah. This period of history. But yeah, the anxiety thing. That's curious to me that I'm not curious, but I'm interested in the fact that it does give you anxiety. It was, does it give you anxiety for your, is it humanity overall? Yes. Yeah. It's humanity overall. I get it at night. I get it at night because usually that's what I'm high. There was a, usually when I'm writing, when I'm high. Yeah. I get real anxiety because usually also everyone else in my house is asleep.

1:30:43So it's just me. It's late at night and I'm just doom scrolling and I'm writing. And I'm just thinking about the future. And I genuinely get this like fear of angst. Like what happens if everything goes totally sideways, which has happened historically all over the world with, with incredible regularity. Yeah. It's almost predictable. And there's always been instances where society was like thrown into chaos and like what had we have this. Even the democracy thing. It's the same way like when you look up, where is abortion legal? Right. You know, where's, where are they putting Florida in the water?

1:31:19Look up where there's democracy and how long it's been there. Super. This is the oldest one, guys. Yeah. And it's not even 300. And it's not even, it's like, this is the oldest one then there's like France, England, like and there's not that many of them now. And there's never been one like this and this one is only 300 years old. Yeah. Which is a blip. Yeah. It's a nothing. Yes. Relative to, to, and it really, and it does, it is that thing of like you have to foster it. You got to, you got to water it. Yeah. And you got to till the fit. You got to vote. You got to get a, you got to do research.

1:31:54You got to do all the shit. And it's, but as we can both the test like, it's worth it. Yeah. Well, this is the greatest experiment in self -government the world's ever experienced. It's fascinating. It really is. And it's, it's also because of this, this country has achieved so many amazing milestones creatively. Like how much music has come from America? I mean, how much of like popular music that the world hears? The airplane. Yeah. That's us. Yeah. The internet. The car. The car. The computer. Yeah. Like, these are not small things. Yeah. Yeah. Stand up comedy was invented here. And it's done best by people from here still to this day.

1:32:45Correct. And that's just undeniable. You know, good luck. Good luck trying to do what we do. Yeah. It's funny. There's a few guys. No. Ricky Jervais and Jay Carr. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not. There's a lot more here. Yeah. A whole lot more. Yeah. Salon out of arenas. Yeah. And good and good comedians. I think this is the best time for comedy that's ever existed. I really do. There's great. I mean, in terms of the amount of really good people who are throwing the ball very fast. Yes. I couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. Like this is the time. This is the golden age of comedy. Yeah. And you know, Ari always says this, that this is a great time for comedy because comedy's dangerous again.

1:33:26Yeah. It's like it's great. It's dangerous. Yeah. It's like, like the, you know, the red fox. You know, after dark records. But now it's more, and weirdly now it's more like Douglas Murray books and speeches. Right. Those are like the contraband. What do you, I want to ask about the anxiety thing because when you, do you get, do you worry about the safety of your loved ones? Yes. And do you worry about like the, your, your, your shit hits the fan plan? Because my plan is, hey, I've done Joe Rogan. When people come up, I go, you may remember me from Joe Rogan. We're good, right? Oh, you mean when the prepers, the premise come for you?

1:34:15Yeah. They're not going to come for you. The people that are going to come for you, the people that aren't prepers, the people that don't know your food. That's what's going to be. I don't have any either though. Yeah. Well, that's good. Hopefully you don't have any guns. Hopefully you don't have anything valuable that they can take. Do you think it's worth having a gun? Yes. Okay. So you're saying have a gun. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Yep. Always. Yeah. It doesn't hurt you to have a gun, especially if you're smart and you take care of it and you lock them up and you know how to use them.

1:34:43Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, one of the funniest things is people like you should give up your AR 15. You don't need it. You should send it to Ukraine so they can fight the Russians. Like, okay. Do you hear what you're saying? Like they're literally fighting against an oppressive force and if they're unarmed, you should arm them. Well, what happens if something like that happens here? And you're saying that I can't. Oh, yeah. I mean, I did a joke in the last battle. And here is crazy. The idea of like taking it, there should be a, every year they should have a guys who are like hoarding weapons, seeing that they can take on the government.

1:35:15We should, every year have an NRA military showdown where it's a hundred guys from the NRA versus like three guys from the military and it's just, they're just going to drone them. Right. But here's the thing, the guys from the military, the guys who sign up for the military are the guys who don't want to do that. Well, that's the thing. Like turning them on Americans. So this is the big fear about immigration. It's that you're going to take these immigrants and you're going to indoctrinate them into the military and they'll be willing to do things that United States citizens won't be willing to do because nobody wants to join the military anymore.

1:35:45Oh, you think that is that? That's a big fear. My mind is in this. The heavy duty conspiracy theorists, they're worried that they're going to conscript these people. Like you can get, like, look, they're doing that in Russia where they're saying fight in the Ukraine war and we'll let you out of jail. Yeah. So they're taking prisoners with life sentences and the use of them as cannon fodder. Heck of a movie, by the way. Yeah, and it's happening. I mean, they're literally using them. No, I know it's, it's, and it's real like some monsters. Monsters that they're letting out. Yep. Monsters. And they're doing monster shit too.

1:36:17I've heard they've doing it to other Russian. They're just doing, they're not, these are not like rational people. No, they're psychos. Yeah. Like full on psychos and psychos in Russia. That's another level of psychos. I forget it. Shut it down. Yeah, long history of violence. Yeah. And also loss, like the loss that they experienced during the World War. Like people, they always, everyone talks about what happened with Israel, what happened with the Jews, what happened with the United States or our military, Japan, Russia lost a lot of fucking people. And if it wasn't for Russia, we might not have even fought off the Nazis.

1:36:53I think it's, I don't think that's any dispute there. Yeah. I think that's like that was like they, they kind of kept their attention right. Yeah. On the, on the East. Yeah. And they are, they have such a long history of conflict and loss. And they're willing this to have people to die. Well, that's what somebody told me is like Putin's whole thing is just like we're a country, where it's, we're always at war. We always will be at war. Let me lead us. And he's a warrior, which is really scary. When you've got a guy who's a KGB guy that becomes the head of the country, I mean, again, it's the hammer thing.

1:37:31You don't, well, yeah, it was a hammer thing. Yeah, he doesn't, well, that's what somebody says. It's like they don't have much industry. Also, he kills everybody. Yeah. Anybody, political opponents, anybody who's questioning them, you get poisoned, you get fucking drone bombed, whatever. Yeah, you don't even got to be in Russia. Yeah. They got a guy and they popped a guy in Spain a few months ago. Oh, yeah, they'll pop you everywhere. Yeah, poison. And we kind of do that too. I'm sure we do that. I mean, the idea that we're innocent and that we don't have CIA assassins that go in whack dissidents.

1:38:01Okay. I'll take your logic. Can we still condemn what he does? It's hard. It's hard. First of all, what if he definitely can tend to worse than us? You definitely can condemn what he's done in Ukraine. You can definitely condemn, you can condemn bombing, Kiev. You can definitely, you can condemn a lot. You definitely can. But you also got to condemn the NATO for moving their fucking arms closer to the Russian border and crossing that boundary and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO, which has always been his red line. There's a lot of like, really, I don't need international politics. I'm the one that NATO's never made to anyone.

1:38:37So it's kind of like if they, I get that they're trying to get like the point you made about trying to get people to move to Austin. They haven't been around that. No, I know they haven't. But they definitely have involved in bombing people. Yeah, I'm with you. I just don't think they're an invasion. They're too disorganized. They need consensus from fucking however many countries are in NATO to like, we're going to, I don't think, and then who's going to govern whatever? But the idea is pushing arms closer to the borders of Russia to make an attack easier and quicker and all those things influence foreign policy.

1:39:09Those things are dangerous. They're free. Yeah, I'm with you, but I don't like, is it, is he, is NATO perfect? No. No, but like what he's doing is just aggressive bullying. Yeah. Like, hey, man, we're trying to have a world where people can't do that anymore. Right. We're trying to get back because it's complicated. My point is that it's complicated. Like we, we, the United States was involved in the coup in 2014. We instigated it. We provided weapons and money. We were a part of that. And there's, there's been a lot of those throughout history. I mean, we fuck around. We, what did we, we googled it the other day?

1:39:47How many countries the United States has military bases in it? Isn't it like 90? What was it again, Jamie? I know what the problem is. I know what the problem is. Everywhere. It's like the way America work was. It's like, there's a moral framework. Louis had a great joke about it where it's, he was talking about himself. He's like, I have all sorts of ethics and standards. I don't, I don't follow any of them, but I have them. Like I have standards for myself. And America, the, the, the game was that we would, look at this. There's 70, 150 military bases in at least 80 countries. That is so crazy.

1:40:29Yeah. The number maybe even higher is not all data is published by the Pentagon. Yeah, but Joe, Joe, we're American. It's good. This is better. Austin, China. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's better. It's better as the Russia. The game we always play was like, yeah, we do shit. Yeah. You can't. Well, now everything's transparent. Or it's like significantly more transparent. So, and people have no tolerance for hypocrisy. Right. It used to just kind of be like sidepapers. You go like, America's kind of a fucking hypocritical. And now, because social media, it's like, a gotcha. And it's like, yeah, fucking, we're hypocrites.

1:41:05Yeah. Well, that always leads me back to that smeadly butler paper that he wrote in 1933, which is War as a racket. He was this famous military man who, upon retiring, reflected upon his career and said, like, the whole thing was a racket. I thought I was protecting people, protecting banks. This is what War really is all about. And that still holds true to that. I mean, that's the military industrial complex speech kind of. Exactly. Exactly. And, yeah, I think the agreement was corruption and then, but stability. And now, it's, the corruption's been revealed and now it's super unstable. Like, now we can see all the corruption and shit feels, and you can't sleep.

1:42:00Yeah. What's better? I don't know. I think the erosion of the confidence of the government in this country is dangerous. Because people, there's kids on the street that are saying, you know, we want to overthrow the United States government and get rid of all the colonizers. Like, what are you talking about? I know, but they could clip the fuck out of you and show a reason they should be suspicious of the government. You know what I mean? Like, like, whatever, the pharmaceutical companies are there. And I hate for the white house. You're skeptical. And the problem is, I think there's not a problem, but like, you're skeptical.

1:42:35You know the limits of your skepticism. You know what I mean? Whereas everybody else just goes limitless skepticism. I don't trust anything. They're young. They just got out of college. They have no debt. Well, they have debt, maybe, but they don't have any life. Their life has just begun. And they want to throw this country's corrupt. It's just burn it all down and then do what? And then do what? Do you want to be sawed? Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? There was a basketball coach in the, who, after the Celtics dynasty, after Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, all this stuff.

1:43:12And then he was, Rick Patino was the coach and they sucked. And he said to the press, like, Larry Bird ain't walking through that door. And that's how it is with all these kids. It's like, there's no better leader. There's no, for the women, there's no better men. There's no, like, this is it. Right. We're going to make do with this. You want to help or not? Or you just want to mope and you want to, and also everyone's corrupt. And you should be skeptical, but you, but to the point where it's like, when does, when does, when does pure skepticism, skepticism become chaos? Well, I think when can you just get so far.

1:43:53Traffic lights. They get so frustrated at all, they do want to burn it all down, but they don't have a solution. They don't have like a working solution of what happens once it gets burned down. What I worry about is I think the government is so inept and I think the, the confidence in the government is so low that if something goes sideways, it's not going to be like everybody waits for the government to tell us what to do. You're going to have chaos in the streets, just like the George Floyd riots. You're just going to have that all over the place. That's, that's the real fear. People with nothing will revolt and guns are everywhere and it could get real sketchy.

1:44:27And then, or you go, it's this, it's chaos. It's, it's 1968, 1968, 1969. Yeah. Now, and then you see cops beating up protesters and you're like, all right, this is hard because I'm for the protesters. And, you know, I need order. Yeah. As a human being, I would like, it's the freedom and safety. It's the, it's the two, sort of, the two things that hang in the balance. And I don't, it's funny to hear you say that you get, you get anxious at night, based on this world because, because it's always at night. Yeah. It's always at night when I'm alone with my thoughts, because I just realized all the things that could go sideways at any given time with one thing, one big thing, one big event, and it doesn't even have to be an attack.

1:45:20It could be a natural event, one natural event and we're fucked, one solar flare that takes out the grid, we're fucked. Yeah. And, and even, and to the George Floyd point, it's like, they shouldn't have fucking killed the guy. And people should, people can protest police brutality. That's all like the cops were wrong in how they handle that. And the protesters, we are a lot, we are, it's part of our government, it's part of our society. It's part of our constitution. We can, and then it's like, defund the police and I'm like, no, but, yeah, now, yeah, you had me, we're not, I fucking need cops.

1:46:00Yeah, need them. You and also, and then all those polls of like low income people were like, no, we want cops. So the, it's the tyranny of the minority thing where there's also the problem with the autopsy. The autopsy of George Floyd showed that he had lethal levels of fentanyl in a system that he was going to die anyway. I heard they, I heard they wasn't lethal. What does that mean? I mean, I've, I've seen things where it wasn't the, the, the levels of fentanyl were days old and whatever it wasn't. He, well, he had an large heart. He was suffering from all sorts of ailments like cardiovascular ailments.

1:46:37And he did have a high level of fentanyl in a system that I think is in the lethal threshold. And then you have this high stress event being arrested also being compressed. Someone's pressing down on your body, restricting your breathing and you're, you're panicking, you're freaking out. Very possible. Yeah. Okay. But I, but I, but I don't, but maybe myself, he wouldn't have had. Right. So you're of the mind. Maybe that he was, he had fentanyl in a system and it was not great police procedure. Well, it's 100 % not great police procedure. Yeah. So 100%, but also that guy had a history of abuse.

1:47:16Yeah. No, but that's what I mean. So then people protest, it's that it's like, but the question is, did he actually kill that guy? Was that guy dying? You know what I think? What happened? Level, see, find out because I had read that when they, when they did the initial autopsy, they didn't find that his death was because of a constriction. It wasn't because of compressed arteries or any of that. That it was, you know what I fear happens a lot? Is this a good example? So you like, so we got, yeah, you know, of course. So you, you're of the mind, I'm of the mind of like that was wrong. Yes. And then you go, yes, but he did have fentanyl.

1:47:55No, I'm of the mind that was wrong too. That that's police brutality and abuse and probably not necessary. Like it wasn't like he was thrashing and trying to attack. Like you could have restrained that guy, cuffed him and that would have been it. Right. So my point, so it's not, but he, but he was unfit. No, let's say that was awful police work and he was unfit. Right. Right. So let's say the police work was good and the guy wound up dying. That's different. Yeah. Right. Then you say, oh, he died of a fentanyl overdose. But if you look at the way they handled them, it was humane. It was correct.

1:48:30Yeah. Now would there have been pro who knows now it's just like historically, right? That happens all the time. What I worry though, get arrested and they die of overdoses. That happens on time. But then you could use Narcon. You can, you have it sometimes they don't, you know, there's like, you've read that where it's like sometimes they just go like, fuck it. They I've saved this guy too many times. You know, like it's just cops being like, fuck, I'm so sick of saving drug addicts all day. Right. Like people that don't even seem to want to live. So what I worry that's happening culturally. And it literally pick an issue.

1:49:03Israel, COVID, George Floyd, whatever is there's these contradictory, not even contradictory piece of information. It's not a simple narrative, right? So I think a lot of times people just declare a mistrial in their head. They go, fuck it. I don't, this is somebody's lying. I'm getting the fuck out of here. There is no, there's no justice. There's just everything's everything's too gray. Whereas 30, 40 years ago, it would have been, they just killed a guy. I know there's no video. Well, there's, there's, there's like black and white like Kent State. Yes. That's black white one. The National Guard comes in, shoots protesters.

1:49:44Everybody's outraged. It's horrible. Yeah. There are, but now it's Kent State happens today. Maybe they actually wanted. There's a second video. It becomes it's almost like the Kennedy assassination. Everything's kind of the Kennedy assassination and where it is. A lot of Kant and then people go, fuck it. I don't know what happened. And I think that's where not even sometimes maybe it's nefarious actors. And other times it's just people who want to be contrary or whatever. There's so much information and there's a limited bandwidth for people's attention span and time. In a day that they just go, I don't know what the fucking happened.

1:50:21That's a big one. And that's, that's a thing with boomers like, you know, RFK's talked about this. A lot of that boomers only pay attention to legacy media. That they really, they, they're not reading independent journal reports or not. I don't do you think it's less so though? Like meaning like it's a lot of Facebook links to sort of a shifty website. Some people now, yeah. I think there's some, some of that now, but I think there's still a lot of people that just put their faith in mainstream. Especially people that aren't online on a regular basis or there are only friends with people that are their age.

1:50:53And so they have this sort of like mentality, the way they consume news and information. It's kind of always been the same one. Yeah. Like COVID again, I'm sorry to bring this up for the listeners and myself. But so there was the Taka Cardi thing and they put the heart rate thing. That was like people, it was elevating people's heart. Like that was one of the main side effects, right? And they, they acted like it wasn't much. And then fairly recently there was like actually there was more than we thought. I wonder, but then I've also heard from people that are skeptical. It was like, it's a pretty good vaccine in terms of like lowering numbers of infections.

1:51:36And, but I think most people got the first wave of like you have to take this, this is a perfect vaccine. And then they heard this thing of like, it's not perfect. And then they, they got tired. Well, it's been lied to from the very beginning. One, first thing they didn't even test it to see if it stops transmission. But yet they, they said it did. They didn't even test it to see if it stops you from being infected. But yet they said it does. All it does is in part, some form of immunity that's specific to the wild virus, the first version. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the way they studied it and the way they tested it is so fucking corrupt.

1:52:15The, just the fact that they said that it's a 100 % effective against stopping death. Do you know how they, they came up with that number? Two people in the control group got COVID and died. One person in the vaccine group got COVID and died. Right. So that makes it. Error is attractive. Like, yeah, when RFK told me that, I'm like, there's no way that's it. And then we read the actual studies and like, oh my God, that actually is it. Yeah. And they're allowed to say that. Yeah. Yeah, it's technically, technically true. Yeah. Technically, you can get away with a lot. But it's also like the VAIR system.

1:52:47I mean, the reporting of adverse effects is very underutilized. And so we all know people that have had bad side effects from the vaccine. And the question is, how many of them kept their mouth shut? How many of them are quiet? How many of them are suffering? How many of them, the doctors are unwilling to connect it to the vaccine? There's, there's a lot. There's a lot. I personally know more, well, again, it's all fucking empirical. So if we give this shit, it's like, I, well, I happened to, who gives a shit, if I wanted to get one person. But yeah, but I wonder what the way forward is with any of this stuff because that thing of people just going, fuck it.

1:53:25I declare a mistrial. Yeah. You just, it, that's probably not great for society. Did you find anything about George Floyd's toxicology? Yeah, I'm looking, I mean, I'll just show you what I'm fine. I don't care. I believe this is the autopsy report. It shows that there was 11, like a nanograms per milliliter, right? Right. No idea if that's higher or not. So then what's lethal tried to tie 10 to 20? This is what Google says is lethal for human. Lethal dose is two. Recommends serum concentration is one to 20 nanograms per milliliter for anesthesia and 10 to 20 milligrams per liter. Blood concentration.

1:54:02What's that? Dreaming the anesthesia range. Oh, you had an assistant. So what is what's, what's lethal? That's right here. Lethal dose is two. Two milligrams. So he had nanograms. So he had 11 nanograms, which is significantly lower than two milligrams. Is that what they're saying? That's what that says. Yeah, but your fentanyl was 5 .6 nanograms per milliliter. So did it say that he had a leak cocaine caffeine? He had caffeine. I was, oh, not even cocaine. Cotanine. I was looking through it to find out what it says is like the conclusion. It doesn't. 11 hydroxy delta nine. So he had bullshit THC in him.

1:54:44He had that fake THC. Right. I know, but that's one of, you know, 15 years ago that would have been the lead story. Yeah. Negative for ethanol, methanol, isopropanol and acetone. Methamphetamine, 19 nanograms per milliliter. So he had a lot of shit in his system. Yeah. But, but, but, and so that's like, but he doesn't deserve to die. No, it may or may not have contributed to his death. It's like shit that you can't prove. But once that's in the air, it creates this sense of like, we'll never know what happened. We also know the video, the video, you know, you see him saying, I can't breathe. You see the whole thing.

1:55:22Yeah. And it's, and what I just worry about the sort of haze of all this shit now of everything. Does any study say that he had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system? Why do people keep repeating that? All I was seeing in that was a bunch of people saying that and they were like, I know. And that's and you're not sure. You're not repeating it malevolently. You just heard it repeatedly. You know what I mean? You're not, you're not trying to make the guy look better. Whatever it's just, but a lot of people are. I agree that they made that document. They used that. Yeah. What documentary? There's a whole documentary about it.

1:55:53And then that got to Bunked about George Floyd. What does the documentary say? That all the fentanyl and the, all that stuff.

1:56:05No evidence. Drug overdoses. The main cause of death for George Floyd. So this is from what year? 2022. So social media users make a claim that George Floyd killed actually died from drug overdoses. These claims are misleading. Official medical and court records rule. The police restraint, not drug use was the main cause of death and evidence support claim that George Floyd lethal die levels of drugs in his system. One Twitter user sharing the claim. George Floyd died of fentanyl overdose. Derek Chauvin should be freed. Okay, but this is when they like one. No, this is one person said in an elephant's book.

1:56:42But if they're, if they're saying like it didn't, whatever, or can we trust the AP? Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, however, no publicly available evidence supports the claim that Floyd died from overdosing on drugs, specifically fentanyl or meth amphetamine rather than the actions of the cops. What's that? I assume those are like Russian trolls just crossing chaos. Joe, that's my point is like what? Like this is the world now. You're not, you're not, you, you are not predisposed to, but there is a thing of being predisposed to skepticism, right? And it, and it seems cooler than being some square ass.

1:57:19Right. I take, I'm a sheeple and I don't, and what I'm saying is like there's, there's a value in both. You know what I mean? And like I don't know how to, I don't know how to litigate it. I don't know how to prescribe it to people. But, but, and I know also know that people have a limited amount of time. That's a giant factor. Yeah. And they got better shit to do. This is not their number one priority. And, and, and so I don't know what to, I truly don't know what that's the kind of thing that would cause me anxiety. I mean, if you look at me looking for a new thing to be anxious. But, but honestly, like, and your, I, the thing with you is like, because I've known you so long, it's like, you're a decent, honest person.

1:58:06I know, I will, I will testify in court that any chance I've seen you have to be decent and honest, you've taken it. And there's still stuff that you think might be true because it's fucking floating around. Yeah. This one intelligent, you like, but you see, you see, this one I've just heard, that's why I brought it up. I wanted to know what the actual, I've not read about it honestly. And I remember reading a headline saying that he had a lethal dose of defense on the system and that people are arguing it. Yeah. And, and, and, and it still doesn't take away from the fact that the policing was immoral.

1:58:40Fucking awful. Yeah. And that's, that's a thing that people have to deal with every day from the cops. And also being a fucking cop is a horrible job. I know everything is like so many things. Fucking, and it's the worst job on earth. Yeah. It's one of the worst jobs. I can't, it's a nightmare. You're the professional enemy and everyone you pull over is probably lying to you. Yes. Yeah. And, and they, and then they all train with like, that everyone's wants to shoot them. They kind of have to train that way. Like they have to like just, just get home to your wife and kids. Then they show videos of like them getting ambushed and shit like, which isn't false.

1:59:20It's like they do get ambushed. It's not very out, but they can't worry about that. It's like we have to worry about hecklers pretty much every show. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, so they're all, it's all these like very, very complicated things. Very complicated. Yeah. And I don't know, I think that there, and, and every, every point of use, that's a validity. You know? A lot of them do. Yeah. That's for sure. And then, and then you have the foreign actors and you have the disinformation campaigns that are state run, that we run. That's for sure too. Yes. And we do it to other countries, but don't you fucking do it?

2:00:01We do way worse. We actually go in and overthrow their governments, install puppet dictators. That's what we do. We've been doing that forever. We run bullshit democracies. We've caused, you know, liberty to become a failed state. We've, we've done a lot of wild shit. Yeah. We still continue to do it right now with those 700 plus basis worldwide. Yeah. We're involved in all kinds of shady things. And then there's also the obligation. Like if you're in the CIA or if you're, but shady shit that benefits you and me, Joe. Yeah. Well, that's shady. Shady shit that reminds legitimate dictators. Like how do you, what do you do?

2:00:33Just let these people develop nuclear arms and take over countries and no, you gotta, you gotta do things to stop despots. I know. And that's the thing of now in the age of transparency and gotcha, you're, you're, you are, you're, uh, uh, your, your government is hugely hypocritical. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fucking government. Sorry. What do you think we, that we have to be? It's one set of rules for us and another for everybody else. Sorry. Why, why, that's why you're all trying to sneak in here. What gives you anxiety? Well, I would this because I come and give updates on my mental health.

2:01:12How are you doing now? I'm doing great. I, this is what I want to talk about. So, so all the ayahuasca set a really nice, got me off antedipresence, got me believe in in God in a, in a central creation force that's non, not a gender or whatever, just a thing. It's just a magnet basically. It's a woman. Yeah. Yeah, please. Wrong pockets. God's chance. Yeah. Uh, the, and then I, and then the DMT broke me and put me back together. And after the DMT, the five me, oh, that I smoked, um, it was a year and a half of, I thought it was eight months of chaos. And then I did an ayahuasca ceremony a year and a half after I'd smoked the DMT.

2:01:57It was the first time back. And I felt the DMT door closed. And I was like, it was open that whole fucking time. What do you mean by that? Okay. So DMT opened up my brain, uh, too much, little too much, open borders. I, I was, um, I was, uh, experiencing too much of the universe. I believe like most of being a human being is just like this. You, you have, we understand that we're a rock in space. But it's just like my fucking house and my apartment and my car and my, fucking, the things that I understand. My family that the DMT made it. So I could experience like time a lot more. Uh, I talked about it last time where I had a hard time watching the screen saver on Apple TV, the mountain ranges and shit.

2:02:57I was, I got a sense. I understood how old they were. In a way, you're kind of not supposed to. When you know what someone goes, Hey, can you believe the mountain, the Rocky Mountains are of 700, thousand years old? And you go, yeah, that's crazy. But nothing, nothing happens. I kind of understood how long a time that was. I was like way out. I was way out. And then I slowly kind of came back. It took about, it took a year and a half. And what was the, what was the negative aspects of being way out? Uh, it was, it was, uh, I told somebody I was aiming for God and I missed my stop. And I woke up on a, like a moving train with no conductor and go in a million miles an hour.

2:03:50So it was because you were taking in too much information that you hadn't considered before. So it became unmanageable. The DMT, well, I had the Michael Pollan experience where the DMT took me back to, took me to, when I inhaled it, I went to before the big bang. And Michael Pollan said it on here because I looked it up. I was like, where have I heard it? And I was like, that's where I was. And so I, so I slowly, the issue was, so the DMT was pretty much a DMT 25 minute, 35 minute experience of like, I was before the big bang. And my personality kind of came back. And I was kind of going like, I'm not going to do that anymore.

2:04:34I'm not going to be like petty. I'm not going to be, I'm going to be like a virtuous person. I'm just going to be like, I'm going to remember this God connection and all that stuff. And then a week later, I had a reactivation. A week later. Yeah. You know, the thing of like, there's a thing which people have DMT reactivations. Where you, yeah, basically what the joke of like an acid flashback, I had that for, and it's common with smoking DMT. And I had one. So now I'm, it's a Sunday in New York. I'm on a coffee date with a woman. In this side of my frame, this side is fucking pure whiteness, infinite time.

2:05:15It was harrowing. So you saw it? It wasn't like a pure split screen. But it was like energetically kind of a split screen. Was it something that you thought and you felt in your mind or was it something you were experiencing visually? It was, it was, yeah, I shouldn't say that it was, I couldn't see it, see it. But it felt, yeah, I felt it. And so I would say that I was, it would be between reality, current reality, and then this infinity, sort of energetically. And was it giving you anxiety? Yeah. Oh, I was so disoriented. I had the thought like, am I in God's imagination? Shit, that's not great to think when you're just in on a Sunday walking around in New York.

2:06:05Yeah, especially if you're on a date. I mean, come on. Trying to make some happen, yeah. And like pay attention. My friend of mine said she goes, you just seem really preoccupied. It's like, yeah, I had a lot on my plate. Did you watch that Hemingway documentary on PBS? No, it's, well, I recommended highly Ken Burns Hemingway Black and White pushes. And I'm not even a Hemingway fan. There were some passages that are like, okay, this is amazing. But there's a part they showed maybe the Spanish Civil War. He went there. I think it's the Spanish Civil War. And there's a passage from one of his books where he got shot.

2:06:51I believe, and he said he explained it as like, my spirit came out of my body like a ribbon and then came back in. And I was watching with my friend. I go, hey, can we stop real quick? Because I was like in that world. Like that day, this was the reactivation day. And I was like, yeah, I need to not watch this. Because I'm in that thing where my spirit can come back. And it was like touch and go, I think I made it to this last time. I would have killed myself, but I knew I'd be going into more of it. So it was like real difficult. Like real like on the edge of my... Sanity. Yeah, I would say I don't want to say I don't know what pre -psychotic would be.

2:07:36Like pre -diabetic. I feel like I was like, that pretty close. Now, over time, I got better every day. And I got returned to norm, but I was more able to fall in love. More generous. I would, I'm funnier on stage. I get 15 % more and bigger laughs. Like, because I'm spiritual. And people notice it. Like, hey, what's different about you? On stage is better. This Netflix thing is like my best one. Because it's just like, I'm lighter. I'm just lighter. So that was hard to deal with, but after the year and a half past, I'm a better... It's easy to be me. It's easy to deal with me. Everything's improved.

2:08:26So then, in the last year or so, every few months, I do MDMA. And like in a sort of not necessarily therapeutic environment, but like in a with a spiritual bent. What's happened from the ayahuasca and the DMT is when I've done mushrooms, it's ayahuasca. It's a God connection. Or what I perceive as a God connection. When I do MDMA now, it's a God connection. And I've been able to... I believe I've been able to change my... I don't want to say spirit. But I think synapses, whatever you want to categorize it. You're operating system. Yeah. Basically, it's like you are getting a new... You get an update, an OS update.

2:09:20And the thing with updates on computers is the computer goes... Sometimes you're awake for these updates. You're like, I've literally done the joke on ayahuasca. Is there any other system you have? Because this is a little touch and go for me. I appreciate it and I always get so much from it in the long term. But in the short term, I did ayahuasca in November. And there was a point where I went up to the shaman. I go, hey, this is... I'm like a little close to God right now. Could you just give me like a nudge? Because it's very hard to comprehend, honestly. It's as someone who's sort of experiment in this world.

2:10:03There are moments that are hard to comprehend. And it's a hard thing to communicate. It's interesting because I think overall you would say the benefit is worth it. But it's a slippery road. Yeah, well, it's hard. It's very hard to do. And that's the thing we talked about. It's the last time about the mainstream and all this stuff. It's Pandora's Box, man. Because there's a lot of people, I'm whatever I am, intelligent person and accomplished person. And I felt like I was pre -secotted for a couple of days. And I would have killed myself if not. Like, that's a pretty... That would have been a significant...

2:10:43So you genuinely thought about killing yourself? Well, I didn't have a plan or anything. But I was like, this is unbearable. No, it was like, this is unbearable. What I'm in right now. We're like, I'm on our, am I in God's? Who am I? What is this? What is any of this? What is steps? Walking down steps going, why is any of this? Why am I a person in it, whatever? God threw it better. And then the MDMA, I've been able to sort of, I don't know if you want to do software updates or whatever, but it's just made me more. I had one that was really great, which was, I did MDMA and I was able to, you know, I'm kind of a grudge holder, Irish Catholic, etc.

2:11:30I want to 10, you got it. And I was able to just forgive all of my grudges. Easily, easily, like just easily. That's very valuable. Yeah. And so the next day, I was like, why was I so able to do that yesterday? But I was whole most grudge as tight the day before. And it's because my brain, on the MDMA, I had oxytocin dopamine serotonin flowing through me. Right? Love hormones, love chem, kindness chemicals, generosity chemicals. I was able to do it. Most of the time I realized I just have cortisol adrenaline. And cortisol adrenaline are organized and they're judicious. That's the currency is like justice, retribution, wrong, right, organized, organized punishment, kind of in it like rigid, right?

2:12:36So I started thinking like, I've been, what I consider a personality is just cortisol and adrenaline or what I consider a personality. So I just realized like I've had a court, I've been, I have a kitchen in my head that makes cortisol sandwiches. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is what I like to eat. No, I don't. That's just what it's giving out. So I made a conscious effort to like ignore my first imp like I now write like don't believe your chemicals. Just don't believe them like like think beyond them. And focus on the sort of the softer chemicals are the more positive ones. And I've also been doing a thing that's been like wildly helpful, which is I was doing a gratitude checklist just every day I would write like things I'm grateful for.

2:13:32And also not anything that I'm grateful for the facts of my life. The facts of my life are really good. I've three Netflix specials, not how many people have that. I have X amount of money. I've done great stuff. I have love in my life. I have a girl, I have my friends, I'm respected, et cetera, et cetera. So I write it down to remember that I have all these great things. I am living my dream. Living a lot of people's dream. I'm also especially living my dream. But my brain was just writing like sci -fi. And of like this person fucking out to get you. And they didn't just constant nonsense that was just purely based on chemicals.

2:14:22So what I found is the more I do, so then Rain Wilson the actor suggested we were talking about Islam praying five times a day. And I was like that's kind of the right amount if we're honest. Right. If you want to really keep the software Yeah, yeah. If you want to just remember like hey, I'm a vessel for a spirit and did it it up. So he goes, why don't you write in your gratitude checklist five times that I was like, fine. So I've been doing it. I rarely get to five. It's at least two or three. And every day, every couple hours, just remembering like what the facts of my life are. Do I think it's also we have all human beings develop patterns of thinking and they these patterns get like deeply cut these grooves where they're easy to fall into.

2:15:09And this not trusting your chemicals is essentially like not allowing yourself to go down these patterns of thinking. Yeah, there's a there's a saying that I've read a book called the Shalos about what social media does to us, but it was you are what you do repeatedly. You are what you think repeatedly. And we have I we all wait at least I do or did for a long time wake up and like start the record and just the monologue that's happening in your head. And it's gotten me out of it. There are days where I wake up and it doesn't start. I'm like confused, you know, because I don't go instantly negative.

2:15:50And I've just it's made me see my life differently. I've like I went out of my way to view my life through the way truer lens, I believe. Do you know what I mean? Like it's true. I am objectively all the all the attributes that I list. And I'm so fucking lucky. You're so fucking lucky to get this experience. You're so think about this. The the the thing I would say to people is like spin the wheel. 8 billion other outcomes of human beings alive right now. What are the odds to beat this one? Yeah. This just like the Joe Rogan it like literally the Joe Rogan experience. What are the odds to beat it?

2:16:39There's no fucking way. Think about think about your life. It's impossible. And I'm not even talking about like the popularity and all that stuff. Like that's part of it. But think about like having an idea, doing it in your in your whatever the basement or garage wherever we used to do the podcast. And then it just becomes this. What? Think about it. And I used to think that life I would always tell myself like life's not fair. And then I finally one day had to thought yeah life's not fair. Neil. No one's life should be as good as yours. Like I'm so lucky. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

2:17:20I'm like getting choked up talking about it. It's impossible. And I would argue that most people that hear it hear this are in the same position. Yeah. There's this inclination to focus on negatives. This inclination. I think it's evolutionary. Yeah. I think it is. I think we're we're trained to scan for threats. Yep. I agree. And and and I write in my journal like my checklist because I want to masculinate. No, no, every threat to gift. Wait a minute. Is it checklist more masculine? Yeah, then in journal. Yeah. I think it I believe it is checklist because you have to make sure everything's everything's good and your the women and children are safe.

2:18:00But a diary is feminine. Oh, fuck. I'm going to punch you in the face. Yeah. Yeah. And and we're and I and I write almost everything. No threats. Only gifts. Everything I thought was a threat is just a gift over a longer timeline. And you've managed to do this without falling into a cult. Yeah, I don't think that one that not one that I know of I'm not paying dues anywhere. I haven't it's just literally keeping it's it's like an emotional discipline in a weird way. It's like it's the same way like working out every day. Well, me being your friend and knowing you for so many years, I mean, I guess I didn't know you well when I first met you.

2:18:44We only knew each other because we worked in the same place. Yeah, Boston comedy. Yeah. You were a door guy and I was just a young comedian and we just became friends. I didn't know you well, but you were always nice to me. We're always cool. Yeah, but you were always you had like this tension. Yeah. And I always felt like I had a hug you. Like you want to see you when you were doing Chappelle. Yeah. When I saw him with this amazing look at you. Yeah. Are you happy? Hey, you don't get it. No, really. I'm really. I was just looking at it all wrong. Right. But you were doing well. And I always felt like you it was and sometimes when you have this me against the world thing, but it really becomes you against the world because other people feel that too.

2:19:25And then they don't want to connect with you. They will ask you. They don't trust their emotions to just be relaxed around you. Yeah. Right. So there's a tension and a conflict there. And it's like you're you're definitely different now. And you were different the last time I talked to you. And you feel maybe even more different now. Yeah, it's but that's right on schedule for what what what I did what happened what unfolded if you want to get super super. But it's like even that thing of like, you know, when I met you in 1991, 1992 pause. Right. And then flash forward to this. Yeah. I don't know, man.

2:20:04This shit worked out real good. It worked out great. It did. But it's hard to see that when you're in the especially when you're caught up in your own thoughts. Well, yeah. And you're caught up in like, I'm late or this I have this is coffee's too hot or like this grievance litany of like you're supposed you that you think you're supposed to do it. Right. Right. Or it's like even in the age of social media and constant like you're gloting by saying your life's great. Right. Right. There's that too. For instance, people a lot of people don't know. Yeah. Right. Well, a lot of people do. But what have you done?

2:20:38What have you done to try to mitigate that shitty life? Are you doing a checklist? No. Have you actively moved towards a more positive way? And how do you treat people around you? And but with you, it's like I would check in on you every now and then we were talk about different things that you were doing. Like remember one of the first ones you were doing was the ketamine stuff. And I was like, that is wild. But I always felt so bad for you. I was like, God, this guy is just struggling with depression and anxiety. And I don't understand it. You know, it's it the chemical stuff. ketamine didn't help the first time.

2:21:11I did it two months ago. And it was pretty great. But yeah, I mean, I that's the thing is it's hard to know what's going to do what. And that's what any of you. How much does exercise help you? I do. I have a trainer, etc. But like I don't I can't I don't I have too many inputs. I don't know what's doing what you know what I mean? Like I don't know what's like, oh, that's definitely the other thing of like the the validation of a successful comedy launch. Yeah. Well, that definitely helps. Yeah. I've had a lot of friends who were depressed and their careers started doing better. And this kind of stopped being depressed.

2:21:52I know. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yeah. But but I would not really I know it makes sense. Yeah. The anxiety of entertainment is first of all, there's no clear pattern. Like go to school, get a degree, get your PhD, do this, do that. There's not a clear path. And you never know if it's going to work out. And how many guys have we known, especially us like who knew people back in the day that were talented? Yeah. We thought we're going to make it and did not. And more talented than us. And we're better at the time than we are. And you go, God, how do they not make it? Yeah. And that's the thing. Even when you say, are you moving toward, are you doing anything to improve your lot in life?

2:22:34It's like a lot of people try. Right. And it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Yeah. And then you go, you know, why did it work for you? Why did it work for me? I can take some credit for effort. I can't really take credit for talent. Shit, but just came out. I don't know. I fucking been funny. So I was fucking five. Do you know what I mean? Like I've just kind of been myself. So I guess I cultivated and I didn't and I was brave. I made brave for it. It's incredibly fortunate in a time where some comedians have deals with Spotify worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Like in a time where you can make a ton of money as a comedian or or you know, it's like I was thinking this about athletes.

2:23:20I'm sure you have to like a hundred years ago, none of the guys, none of the, you know, 100 million athletes are fucking, they're all just like good farmers. Yeah. One of the best farmers in the area. Yeah. Like what did it mean? They're just a aggressive and 1910. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't getting an endorsement deal. It's just like, yeah. So so we're really lucky. We're just lucky in so many ways. But I think the, whenever I tell people that, it's like, yeah, but you're good too. I'm like, so what? I, yes. But I don't, I can't take credit for that. Yeah. And it's also like everyone's formula for success is different.

2:23:57No one can take your formula and just plug it into their life. It's like, but you have different circumstances. You have different hormones. You have different everything, different life experiences, different goals and needs and aspirations, different interests, you know, different mentality. It's like, it doesn't work that way. It's like, everyone has to find whatever the formula is. But there's certain things that seem to be, they seem to exist in gratitude is a big one. That's such a hippie. Unfortunately, a co -opted word. Yeah. You talked about Chris Williamson and everything, right? You guys talked about it.

2:24:32And it is, it really is like, oprified, home -arkified. Yeah. Yeah. But, but real. Yeah, man. I think it's just a better way to look, it's just a better way to look. And, but we're sort of trained to make it like, no, you did it because you ground, you grind it in rows when no one else was there. All your enemies were asleep and you were doing current, whatever. Yeah. Yes. That's true too. That's it also. Yes. It is true. But, like I said, a lot of people do that, don't work. Yeah. They can't, they don't, they freeze up when the mic comes to whatever they just, whatever it is. Yeah. There are, you and I both worked hard and are fucking fortunate.

2:25:15I mean, I had the thought I, I'm so fortunate. There's nothing I can do to compensate for this, this level of fortune, meaning like there's no level of volunteer work, I can volunteer the rest of my life. But you know what you do, do you live a life by example? And then this conversation is so insanely valuable because there's going to be millions of people that hear you talk and say these things. And those people, many of them are going to get in their mind that there's a pathway out of this. Maybe I can't take Neil Brennan's pathway, but there's a pathway out of this. And here's a guy that was like deep dark.

2:25:58Like I remember running into in the hallway one time at the comedy store and you just had this look on your face, like the fucking the weight of the world was on your shoulders. And when I would say hi to you, whenever I'd say hi to you, I would always almost feel like I got to give this guy a hug. I really felt that way. Like I want to give you a hug. Yeah. Like I'm a happy person. Let me give you a hug to see if some of the shit wears off on you. Yeah. But yeah. But you weren't, you know, you weren't you now. You're a different, you're a different guy now. And just by people knowing that even though it doesn't feel like it while it's happening, every time someone's in the middle of some shit, whatever it is, a breakup, you get fired, whatever it is.

2:26:41When you're in the middle of some shit, man, it doesn't feel like it's ever going to change. It feels like this is life from now on it's unbearable and I'm fucked. And when people hear a guy like you who's not only made it out of there, but made like real measurable success, like it's it's quantifiable. You can see it. It's undeniable. They go, well, maybe I can do it too. Yeah. I hope so. They can. And it it it it's not easy. It's scary. But what the fuck is easy? Yeah. You tell me something that's worth doing. It's easy. Yeah. What what the fuck is easy? I don't I don't even like that word. I hate that word.

2:27:22It's it's just a dumb word easy. Easy is not in the menu. It's not but valuable. Well, that's what I think that yeah. Exactly. And but that's the thing that happens is like because it's not I was going to say like the easy pass like literally on the freeway. Like that's easy. But even that you got to fucking slow down. Right. Even that's like fine. The fuck you got it. It's nothing higher iron. Someone left on the road. Yeah. Like it's not it. But but it's it's it's it is like you said, it's worthwhile. If it's difficult, everything's difficult. And that's the thing that you we can fall into this thing of like it's you had to draw you had to take a fucking shower and shave and find a shirt and just it's not effortless.

2:28:11But that's part of life. And you can't get hung up on the sort of the upkeep part of it. Well, my strategy for that is to self administer things that are far more difficult than anything that I'm experienced in my day. And that's what I do with workouts. Like workouts for me, it's not just a physical thing. It's a mental thing as much as if not more than it's a physical thing. Because I want to do it. I still want to do it. Like sometimes I want to do it, but most times I don't. But I still do it. And is it do you have consciously think like I don't want to do this chore for my wife or whatever and then go, but you just you just sat in a fucking freezing cold water for 20 minutes.

2:28:51You can do it. I know. I know. I just embodied. I've done so many difficult things that I'm just comfortable doing difficult things. And I know those whispers don't do it. Take the day off. Take an app. Do this. Do that. I know how to avoid those. But I know the how to avoid those just because that that's the path that I've carved in my head. So my pattern of behavior is always gravitate toward difficult things. And just do it. You know, want to do and ignore those thoughts. And if I can make them so difficult that regular life is easy. Like if you can fucking do a cold plunge, do 10 rounds in the bag and then do 20 minutes and 195 degrees in a song.

2:29:31I like the rest of the day. It's going to be easy. Yeah. It's going to be is those round seven eight nine and 10 are so fucking hard. You're drenched with sweat. You look over the timer five more seconds to rest before the bell goes off. If you just get through that man, regular life is easier because it's not that hard. You couldn't sustain it. If regular life for me was like round seven, around eight forever, I wouldn't want to do that. I think for a lot of people, you know, they got to take the bus to work. That is round seven. Like there are just people that have a higher level of difficulty.

2:30:12Sure. And I've had those higher levels of difficulty in my life. And that's one thing I'm very fortunate for being growing up poor, I think is very valuable. And it's something I can't give my kids. And I think about that. I really do because they don't understand the the fear of not having food. They don't understand like your parents are on welfare and you know that you're eating from food stamps. It's like that fear that that drive like there's no one coming to save you. You better go get things done. And you have to do it for yourself. And if you don't be faking it though, they always know that you're going to be there to rescue them.

2:30:55It's part of the problem. And one of the things that I think can mitigate that is like them choosing difficult paths, difficult things to do. But it'll definitely not be as difficult as a poor person. Yeah. And that's and that's enough. And like you got out of it. And now you're doing you're doing pretty good. So it's like I just think it's important that it's important for me to remember I can't prescribe like gratitude. I'll do it. I don't know. But that's a thing that really helped me. And plus ketamine transcrania, my next simulation. So off DMT, Iawaska, mushrooms, MDMA. I tried a lot of things.

2:31:34I've tried a lot of stuff. And I'm and I'm and I'm even fortunate to have access to a lot of stuff. But yeah. But the and acknowledging that, but this thing of hard work doesn't isn't always adequate. You know, it's not enough. But it's something. Yeah, it's all you can control. That's what I write. It's like I can't I may I can't be I'll never be grateful enough for this. But I can work hard. And I can be focused on the stuff that is and what's important to me. And hopefully it ends up being valuable to people. But like I can't I just I don't I'm I'm people would always go like you're doing so well and didn't I be like you don't like you sound like you don't fucking understand stupid this stupid sketch show is never going anywhere.

2:32:28And then all these things you look back and are like I should have been so happy. Yeah. Yeah. And right could have been so happy. You know what I mean? It's an opportunity. I think you talk about this is very valuable. Yeah. I really do. I'm glad I'm glad you're happy. And it's also the thing of like I was going in the I know you're doing a nice wrap up and you'll have to restart it. The thing of like some days I I'd be like I like we all feel stuck in our existence. You know. And instead of I I and again it's so corny but sometimes they're running my journal. I get to be Neil Brennan. Not I have to be right.

2:33:10I get to be Neil Brennan. Right. Yeah. And that's you get to be a father. You get to be a whatever all the things that are like great. Yeah. It's not it's not it's not a threat. It's a gift. Elon posted something today about or as yesterday that anxiety is essentially conspiracy theories that you make against yourself. It's I literally have that same I don't I don't like I've thought about it with you and Dave where it's like I don't have I only have conspiracy theories about about why people don't like me. Well I like you. Thank you buddy. I like you too. Thank you. All right. Let's wrap this up.

2:33:50Thank you for being here. Appreciate you. And I really do think what you're saying is very valuable to people. And I haven't seen you especially yet but I'm sure it's awesome. You're hilarious. Crazy. Go to Neil Brennan. When you fly out number it's number four. When you fly back tonight. Tonight. Yeah. I was going to come to the club. I know. I know. All right. Another time. Yeah. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Bye everybody.