#2138 - Tucker Carlson

56:42A impressive And I did have a childhood like that at all And we were decadent, unfortunately And so those were lessons that I learned much later But... Yeah, it's... That's a good... I think it's a... If it doesn't destroy you, I think it's a great way to do it And you don't have to do it the way I do it You could do other stuff You could do yoga You could do hikes You could do... No, but doing things for the sake of the difficulty in doing them Yes I love that Again, that was not... Not my training at all Yeah, but I was very lucky that it was mine But more importantly, it gave me a tool to mitigate the stress of regular life And especially the stress of this kind of life that I live You need something to mitigate that You'll go crazy You'll go crazy You'll go crazy Yeah, you know, removing yourself from it a little bit Has always worked for me You know, nature works Oh, very, very well Yeah Animals, contact with animals, people you love Sure Less digital experiences, fewer digital experiences for sure I think that stuff's not good for you It's just so obviously not good for you I was having this conversation with Michelle Dowd yesterday She is a woman who survived an apocalyptic cult She was raised an apocalyptic cult And kicked out when she was 17 Because she snuck out to go see the color purple They weren't allowed to go see movies She'd never seen a movie until she was 17 She'd never seen a movie in her first movie Was the color purple And then they kicked her out I can kind of see that What about Raiders that lost arc or something The color purple Was the first movie she'd ever seen?

58:19No, but like a boy You see one movie that's the color purple? Well, a boy invited her in the movie But could you imagine never seeing a movie or even a television Can imagine dating a boy who wanted to see the color purple There's so much going on here Joe Well, this boy was a guy who had left the church And so she was in contact with him And he was saying, hey, this whole world out here Do you want to go see the movie? And she's like, okay, let's go Yeah, I mean, obviously what I'm totally against cults Obviously On the other hand, do you got to ask yourself I don't know Is your average Amish teenager happier Than your average conventional American teenager on Instagram And of course the answer is, oh yeah Well, they certainly have less instances of autism Which is really fascinating It's very, very sad The Amish, oh yeah Less autism?

59:14Yeah, there's almost none Well, I'm not surprised It's extremely rare Why do we think that is? Well, I'm wonder I really did I could think of a couple Yeah, it's funny I don't want to go Bobby Kennedy Well, that's the problem If you go Bobby Kennedy, they'll come for you But the question is why And I don't know the answer But how is that not in the debate? How is that not in the conversation? What's not only not in the conversation You're punished for adding into the conversation And so like We are dancing around anti -vax conspiracy theories right now But why be on the defensive? It's like If you purport to represent science And you're mad about a question And you're ignoring data Yeah, but even in the absence of data Right Science is a process Yes It's not a result It's a way of doing things And at the core of science is asking questions Including unlikely questions That's what science is And if you don't allow that, then you know You're maybe doing something But what you're not doing is science We can say that conclusively So for people to wrap themselves And the mantle of science And attack you for asking a question You know, they're frauds And I don't know how they have the moral high ground in this I don't think they do But I think it's the same kind of mindset That allows people to create the nuclear bomb Because you say, listen Like we're not even saying that vaccines cause autism But let's say this If you're looking at all the data Of all the things that cause autism And you see that the vaccine schedule ramps up considerably And then you have autism Which seems to at least be more diagnosed than ever before People will instantly say We stop polio, we stop smallpox Vaccines of safe millions of lives And they're probably right We drop that bomb to keep Germany from dropping that bomb We need nuclear weapons So that other people don't have nuclear weapons We do a thing that maybe has some negative effects But is overall good And I think you can kind of apply that sort of logic and reasoning As a human being to very messy issues And we all do by the way People do that with abortion Right?

1:01:32Sure They do that with abortion They say women has a right to choose Reproductive freedom They say all these things And then you say, okay, what if the baby is near term? What if it's six months old? What if it's seven months old? And people don't want to have that conversation What? A woman has the right to choose You're a fascist Stato women's bodies Does a woman have a right to kill you if you annoy her and can be an answer? This is where it gets worse What are you expecting? When is it a life? But it is one of those things that to me is a human problem Whereas humans have these very messy interactions with some things that don't line up with their ideology And there's an ideology of science worship There's an ideology of authoritarian worship The bodies of science have bestowed the truth If you ignore it, you're a science denier And you know, that's...

1:02:29Those are political terms or theological terms They're not terms rooted in science And look, we all make trade -offs constantly You know, everything's bad It's a shit sandwich versus a shit croissant I'll take a shit croissant It's smaller That's a daily experience for everybody So I get that And I don't think everything is more absolute either We don't even know Sometimes whether a decision will result in good or bad So it's very complicated I totally agree with that What I object to is the absence of reason You have to believe, because I think it's true, that if you're reasonable That you can reach maybe not the perfect decision, but a better decision And if we don't believe that, then we're just in the land of witchcraft And we'll just admit it So the lack of reason is what freaks me out Well, it's ideological capture Because there's certain things that if you're on the right side of these subjects The correct side, whatever your ideology believes This episode is brought to you by Robin Hood Gold With Robin Hood Gold, you can now enjoy the VIP treatment Receiving 3 % IRA match on retirement contributions The privileges of the very privilege are no longer exclusive With Robin Hood Gold, your annual IRA contributions are boosted by 3 % plus You also get 4 % APY on your cash in non -retirement accounts That's over 8x the national savings average The perks of the high net worth are now available for any net worth The new gold standard is here with Robin Hood Gold To receive your 3 % boost on annual IRA contributions sign up at robinhood .com slash gold Investing involves risk Rate subject to change, 3 % match requires Robin Hood Gold at $5 a month for one year from first match Must keep funds in IRA for 5 years Go to robinhood .com slash boost Over 8x the national average saving account interest rate claim is based on data From the FDIC as of November 18th, 2024 Robin Hood Financial LLC member SIPC Gold membership is offered by Robin Hood Gold LLC Who's scoring big in the NBA this season?

1:04:57You are playing daily fantasy at draft kings An official partner of the NBA Playing daily fantasy is easy Draft a lineup, stay under the salary cap And watch your team rack up the points for baskets, rebounds, assists and more Take it to the rack with draft king sportsbook New customers, download the draft king's app and use code Rogan for a free shot at a share of millions and prizes with your first $5 deposit That's code Rogan, only on draft kings The crown is yours Gambling problem called 1 -800 -Gamberler In New York, call 877 -8 hope -in -why or text hope -in -why at 467 -369 In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling called 888 -789777 Or visit ccpg .org 18 and over in most eligible states but age varies by jurisdiction Eligibility restrictions apply, new customers only Minimum $5 deposit required One single use $3 ticket rewarded that expires in 14 days and February 28 C terms at draft kings .com slash promotions You can't differ from the doctrine There's a very clear doctrine It is religion So I'm very pro -religion but you can't have a religion that's too stupid and destructive If your religion winds up hurting a lot of people then I'm against your religion Like that's right Yeah I think but even some really good religions have aspects of them That you could say were overall detrimental to the people that were Sure Well absolutely you can say that Encounter with them I think that kind of thinking I think cult thinking Whether it's Scientology or Christianity Or there's like a type of thinking or it's woke Woke is clearly occult It's a mind -virus And I think that me -cult It's so trite to call it that now It's like whatever this thing is, this leftism This Marxist sort of ideology that's waving its flag And indoctrinated people in this country It's very similar to all kinds of religions It's very similar to fundamentalist religions that have always existed In that everybody has to believe very specific things and you can't differ You can't differ from the doctrine So here's another way to think about it that I've been meditating on this a lot Yes, religion, politics, they're all kind of melding It's hard to know where one ends and another begins So maybe a simpler and more useful way to think about it is Truth or falsehood Lying or honesty Maybe just to assess everything that way is someone lying I don't care what your justification for it is lying about vaccines They've lied a lot about vaccines And they've done it, I think in most cases Because they feel like they're serving some greater good That's the narrative We can't tell people that there are vaccine injuries because they won't get vaccines Which are good for a big population I understand the thinking But how about this?

1:07:53You can't participate in lying You can't lie Period, though, you can't lie about anything Just don't lie about anything Try to tell the truth all the time If you can't say something, that's true, just don't say it You're not required to say everything you think Obviously, and you shouldn't say everything But you should never lie And if you just stick with that You get pretty quickly back to reason and order, don't you? Yeah, yeah No, you're making complete sense And I think that this is the problem when people have information and power above other people Which is the problem of governments Which is also the problem of cult leaders You know, cult leaders they get completely infatuated with this idea of being omniproton And this power that has control over giant swaths of people And you get to dictate their behavior And you get to tell them what to think That's very intoxicating and it's common It's common in that it's always existed throughout human history It's a thing that people do when they get power They abuse the shit out of it And if they think that you're too stupid to know the truth And that they're better than you Because they do think they're better than you Because they're running things It's a natural inclination It's a natural thought that people have If they're the ones, if you guys are a bunch of dopes That are just listening to my orders And I tell you how to live your life and what to do I'm naturally going to think I'm better than you Well that's, I mean people have lived under those systems Since there have been systems But what makes it particularly galling And hard to live with is when you call that system a democracy That's too dishonest for me I would much rather live in a monarchy Where everyone thinks the king has been assigned by God to rule over us And his whims are law And that makes sense, I don't like it But at least it has internal coherence When they stand up and pass a 60 billion dollar funding bill for Ukraine When 70 % of the population doesn't want it When they're ignoring the actual problems in our country Like the economy and the border And they're hauling in Congress over the weekend To pass something that people don't want While ignoring the things that people do want And if they do the same kind of thing Again and again for like 50 years And they call it a democracy That will drive you insane Because it's just too dishonest Why not just say we don't give a shit what you want We are getting something out of this Ukraine funding Whether it's like the thrill of being masters of the universe Or whether it's money from the defense contractors Whatever we're getting out of it Is more important to us than your opinion This is not self -government you don't run this country We do shut up and obey If they at least said that you'd be like Okay, I get it those are the terms But if I get another fucking lecture From Joe Scarborough about defending democracy When this is not a democracy It's not even a close approximation of a democracy Then I'm gonna go crazy Because I just can't deal with the lining Yeah.

1:10:53Does that make sense? It does make sense What's interesting is that there are people saying that now And I think that's a relatively new thing In terms of mainstream media And I consider what you do on X mainstream media I mean this is what we're on right now Is essentially mainstream media You could call it There's corporate controlled media I agree And that used to be mainstream media Mainstream media used to be CNN It's not really any more Mainstream media is what In terms of the volume consumed More people are consuming things on Twitter On X than there are on anything else They're consuming information Through the internet, through YouTube For good or for bad Whether it's correct or incorrect They're consuming information In different forms now than ever before So more people are saying what you're saying Than have ever said it before And when people lie And when people bullshit and gaslight It's more offensive now than it's ever been before Because there's so much access to truth That you could see it now If you're paying attention Or you're not a boomer Who only reads the newspaper You pay attention and you see it And you go this is horse shit But it's like what bothers me Is that the lies aren't sophisticated No I mean I look back over my Now sort of long life And I'm recognizing all the times that I was lied to But you know I didn't know I was being lied to They kind of pulled it off There's something incredibly insulting And demeaning to tell me a lie When I know it's a lie And you know I know it's a lie We both know it's a lie But you're demanding that I pretend to believe it What you're really saying is I have no respect for you You're like my dog You're a slave Like I'm demanding that you participate in my lie The lack of stealth I'm not explaining it very well But that really bothers me Well there's no real other way to lie Like some of these lies Like politicians Like did you see that conversation That AOC had With that man they brought in for the Biden case and they were talking about What crimes And she was like grilling this guy What crimes Did you see Joe Biden?

1:13:17Did he steal anything? Did he steal bread? Like I forget what she said And he was trying to explain What they were Rico crimes and she was saying Rico is not a crime It's a category of crime Okay But tell that to the Genevese family No that is so dumb to say that publicly And say it with confidence And tell a person That's the thing the marriage of an aptitude in a self -esteem is It's funny It's really the marker of our time I have nothing against dumb people at all My dogs are dumb and I love my dogs No I'm serious I don't think God cares about your intelligence Only people care And so it's not a moral category And stupidity is not a crime I mean someone down syndrome I really believe Better people than I am More likely to go to heaven So I'm not attacking her for being dumb But the idea that a dumb person Has no the White House press secretary is in the same category Who has no idea she's dumb She really thinks like She won the prize and she's the most Impressive like I'm White House press secretary Because I'm the best talker in America So it's so crazy And yet the smartest people I know are very often Like sort of well You know they have humility Well also she's following Kaley McKenney Is that I say her name?

1:14:36I don't really know who that is She was the last White House press secretary And you don't know who that is She's the goat She's the goat Greatest White House press secretary of all time She's the best I had to stop paying close attention She had all the documents She would kill them Whenever she would get called out Whenever there would be a question That's interesting Because you said this Your paper said that And she would call them out on stuff And she was just really well prepared I love that Very articulate She was wonderful Good for her That's what it should be But she was operating under President Trump Obviously she's demonized I can't believe you don't know who that is No I don't know who it is But it's just funny She's the goat Well I had stopped watching all briefings by then I used to go to the briefings as she killed I mean I literally would go there In the briefing room the former Kennedy swimming pool And the first thing you know I mean I was never a White House reporter But I was a reporter so I would go to them Occasionally and the first thing you notice is How impressed all the correspondents are to work there I work at the White House I work at the White House Got my pet, my hard pet And then the distance between that That little credential they were so proud of And the reality of their lives Was like insane Like they're in this tiny little room They're being treated with total contempt By the White House staff Who thinks they're just fucking animals And I was like shut up They're eating out of vending machines And this was a different time So like when I was working as a journalist in Washington Like we were not to lunch every day And like a good restaurant and charge it to the company And like with your sources We had lunch every single day like civilized people I don't even think that exists in the world anymore Where you had time for lunch Where you weren't just so under the gun from your corporate masters You had to like get back to work We ate lunch and I remember thinking These people don't eat lunch They eat like a stale mounds bar Out of a vending machine like they bring quarters to work So they can eat I remember thinking Your life like is You're not even human You're just like a little puppet or something But you're so impressed And like all your neighbors don't eat He works at the White House He's in the White House press corps And the job like wasn't even really a job You would just like sit there and ask your question And your little assigned seat like you're in a high school gym It was just awful And I just had no respect for people who did that for a living at all Did you ever leave it?

1:17:07Fear and loathing on the campaign trail Come on It's amazing That guy It gave sort of the I think probably the best window Into an outsider In the political process At least in terms of the campaign trail It's the best window To the press, the best window To the relationships that they had with the politicians At least in the 1970s It's an amazing book I was talking to a campaign reporter I never do that anymore But I was this week actually And he was telling me it's like totally different Like when I did it You were all on a I mean it was bad actually It was because it just cultivated groupthink Which was then leveraged by the By the candidate for better coverage Like the whole thing was kind of an op actually But it was at least fun Like you were on a charter plane And like you're flying with everybody And you hit three or four cities a day And like there are cocktails on the plane And you know, naughty behavior And like, you know, they fed you And they kind of dealt everything for you It was fun, it was like a road trip, right?

1:18:11And now it's just like Graham, the little driving alone And their little rental cars To some obscure town in Iowa With no access whatsoever to the candidate Right up their little reports And then they get back to their hotel And they're like Writing up more for the website And like, it's just an It's such a bad job actually Covering politics that only The people who couldn't make it In any other business Are doing it It's like a reverse meritocracy It's only the most Kind of pathetic Power -worshipers would ever do a job like that Well like critics Yes, that's exactly the same Most critics want to be writers They're like the worst people Just as people Like, well, you've actually been in Show business so you've got to Better experience with them or you have a lot of experience with them But I've known a lot of them Who worked for magazines or news papers I worked for And they're the kind of people who have a lot of cats And all the cats hate them You know what I mean?

1:19:16They're just like the lowest They all have some Like sort of weird like wandering eye And they're fat and they're like Super into porn Totally, totally For everybody I actually worked For one of them for a while Who was a critic for the New York Post Like I call John Putt -Harts And he was one of the weirdest Most unhappy people I've ever met In my life And he would come in to my office Occasionally And he would rub his He had a really hairy back And he would rub it against the door frame Like say these kind of obscure He was stupid But he didn't know that he was actually kind of dumb But he didn't know it And he would kind of philosophize I was like 10 years younger and I was his captive So he would just like a lecture me He was rubbing against the door frame And one time we went out to lunch And we all had drinks Of course it's like mid -90s I think With like an umbrella And it had a A piece of watermelon on the rim of the glass And he took the watermelon And ate it and then he ate the rind I'll never forget that watching him eat the rind And thinking Of course this guy is a critic He was editing this magazine But like his real interest Was in writing about movies And it was Is it a sad people Did you ever read You know, Siskel and Ebert Did you ever read when Siskel Roger Ebert rather He wrote a screenplay No It's very bizarre It's really sexual Very strange It's supposed to be terrible Of course it is But I remember going Oh okay You know they're not creative They're creative adjacent Well they don't have anything to contribute That's what I'm saying They don't have creative power right So they're not about that They probably could figure it out If they had a different mindset I think creativity isn't everybody It's just a matter of how you 100 % it's in everybody It just requires honesty Yeah, the pediment to creativity is lying Sure And I used to say that on joke thieves That one of the real problems with joke thieves is when they get caught And then they have to write their own material And the problem is they don't understand the language They just know how to say the sounds Like if you told me what to say in French I can't speak French But if you told me what to say and I practice it And I said it right You would think wow that guy fucking speaks French So that's what comedies like So if you've got a guy who knows how to repeat other people's jokes But he doesn't know how to create them See comedies one of the rare things where someone When you get a guy like Shane Gillis That guy writes his own stuff He edits it, he thinks it out in his head He performs it, he produces it He changes the order of things I love that Everybody does it pretty much the same way There's a few guys that hire writers And that's honorable There's nothing wrong with hiring a writer And it also gives jobs to other comics Because some comics are just really good writers And they're not so good at performing And so people will work on stuff They'll collaborate on stuff Like Chris Rock would do this thing where He would hire comics And they didn't write the jokes for him But they would be like guys he would bounce stuff off So he would have his ideas He would go on stage And then after his set they would all meet And they would talk about the set And you know guys would have taglines Like you could say this Oh great, they write that down They're adding so it's a collaboration So you have the master You have Chris Rock Who is so open -minded And intelligent and humble That he brings in other masters And says, tell me what I'm doing wrong Tell me what I could change Tell me what I could make better And they work together And then there's people that have people That are essentially ghost writers They hire comics to write jokes And they pretend they're theirs And they don't really write them at all So that's another level Which is told also Does anyone who does that Get successful I don't know I don't know Not top shelf They get close They do well There's people that have people write for them And they do well But they're not the guy that everybody goes to say They're not the guy that everybody goes to say Like David tells the guy that comics go to say When he's in town Like he just sees a master You watch him, he's Yoda You like Jesus Christ Like how is he so good?

1:23:40Well he's so good because he writes every day Because he's sitting with a pack of cigarettes And a cup of coffee every morning Writing things in a notebook And he's practicing every day He goes on stage constantly And he's just It's that Japanese term Kaisen where you take this one thing And you just refine it Ultimate mastery That's what he's doing So these guys who pretend to be that And steal jokes And then they get caught Then their material drops off a cliff It's so obvious Because the frauds Yeah also because the very thing That allows you to steal someone's jokes That's an ego thing That's like I want the laughs I want to be the man Or the woman I want to be the fucking one up there Showing everybody Look how amazing this person is Look how amazing That's the opposite mindset That's required for creativity So creativity is not about you Creativity is about the ideas Creativity is about things Creativity is about how does this concept work With these other concepts How do I Get it in the most digestible form If I was an audience member Will it be like to feel this What's the best way to introduce it What's the way to make it so that people Don't think that I'm being mean That I have a point Or that I thought this through This is not just a flippant thing Like you're allowing someone when someone's on stage You're allowing that person almost to think for you Like you're like take me on a ride Like I'll give you my mind That's exactly right I'm not going to be thinking what I would do I'm just going to let you think for me If that person's not doing a good job Of that of it's clunky If it's shitty If the transition suck Then it just interrupts this hypnotism That you've put on me This hypnosis But it's inherently fraudulent Yeah I mean I'm giving control of my mind Over to someone Who is himself under the control of somebody else Do you mean if you're stealing No, if I'm in the audience And I would say this also goes for ideas For commentary You know, that's not funny but that's real And you see it a lot I've seen it a lot Well the number of people who are Totally not controlled Who are really saying what they actually believe With no weird agenda that they're not telling you about It's pretty small And I just have noticed that a lot Recently particularly on the question Of wokeness and free speech There are a lot of people who are like On your side because they're for free speech Or not actually for free speech at all Who are pushing You know a very specific Foreign policy agenda for example And using another issue to Lower your defenses And let themselves into your brain And I think that's really sinister Really really really sinister And it's becoming more obvious now Like if you're for free speech Then you're just for free speech Because you support the principle It doesn't the content of the speech is not that interesting to you The fact that a sovereign human being Has the right to express himself Because he's not a slave, he's a citizen And a human being Like that's what matters And if all of a sudden you become famous Like I'm for free speech And then you support Silencing people Who articulate opinions you disagree with Like you're a fraud You're kind of a sinister fraud Yeah Because that's the business I'm in I've really noticed that Have you noticed this?

1:27:16Yes, and that's also the same kind of thing When you hear them talk If you hear someone talk That's saying something that's kind of horseshit It resonates with you That's what you've seen You had a moment with Barry Weiss on your show That went everywhere I saw a clip of it, I never saw the show itself But she was going on about She was posing as one thing And then you pressed her Like, well hold on a second, what do you mean by that? You just attacked somebody And she had no idea what she was talking about And it became really clear to me watching That I completely changed my view of Barry Weiss forever I was like, oh, she's a fraud actually This person's not honest at all Like she has a very specific agenda That's all she cares about The rest of this stuff is just Is a kind of sleight of hand maneuver You're talking about the thing with Tulsi Gabbard That's correct Yeah, she called her a toady And she didn't know what that meant Well, but she had no idea, like Tulsi Gabbard Had straight outside the lines on some Syria Or something And Barry Weiss was, you know, going through the files in her head like What does she have to believe And she was aware that You know, Tulsi Gabbard had somehow violated that In a way that no one's willing to say Like, in detail to her fully articulate What did Tulsi Gabbard do wrong?

1:28:30No one will tell you She's just bad And then what that revealed about Barry Weiss is she's completely dishonest Like she's a liar actually You can't, by the way, if you attack somebody Particularly personally and can't explain why you're attacking the person Like, that's not acceptable You're a dishonest person if you can't explain why I think it's a common thing that people do in private And they get accustomed to speed, like we're talking like we're talking in private We're just two people talking Right, so people get accustomed to saying things without being able to back them up You know, like, oh, he's a vaccine denier Well, I've done a ton of that in my life Yes, because I'm an asshole So it's like, I just don't like that person I have as well, but what I'm saying is I don't know how much time Barry Weiss had spent doing podcasts before that Well, she spent, look, I'm just saying like But it's important to be honest about what your agenda is I think she is honest and I really like her Well, I'm not against her She's very intelligent person I think that was a mistake And I think you're allowed to do that and hopefully learn from that and don't do that anymore Don't say a thing that you've, and I've done that, I've definitely done that I've said a thing and I wasn't really exactly sure what I was talking about Oh my gosh, I do that every day And I may have just done it with Barry Weiss So let me be a lot more specific about what I mean If your agenda is Neocon politics, which is her agenda, just say so Don't pretend to be a defender of free speech as a principal, which is what she does How is she a defender of Neocon politics?

1:30:01Barry Weiss? Yeah, like what specifically Well, anyone, including me and Tulsi Gabbard, who thinks that America shouldn't be funding worse that don't help America She will attack as a traitor to America or whatever it takes And so, no, no, that's her, that's her main interest, which is fine And by the way, I actually have friends who I disagree with really strongly on this question Who believe in Neocon politics, doesn't mean they're terrible people or I hate them Or I'm not friends, I'm still friends with them But they're very direct about it, this is what I care about Okay, fine No, I really care about bird hunting and flyfishing and, or whatever I can do And you know, that's totally cool But be honest about it So if your job is to defend the right of free people to say what they really believe Then go ahead and defend it And if somebody is not allowed to speak or fired from his job for having an opinion that you disagree with, defend him anyway I just interviewed a guy who is a black nationalist socialist, okay?

1:31:04So I'm obviously not much of a black nationalist, I don't know if you're aware of that, but I'm not And I'm not a socialist either But this guy is facing prison time under the Biden DOJ because he said things they don't like about foreign policy And I just interviewed the guy for an hour and it was like I'm, because on principle, you should be able to say what you think What is this gentleman's name? He was actually a, he turns out I like loved him And I'm embarrassed, I can't, he's a member of a pretty small black nationalist socialist group It's like the revolutionary black nationalist or something like that They're out of South West Florida And he's literally facing prison for repeating Russian disinformation He's not even accused of doing anything He's accused of saying things the Biden DOJ doesn't like Well, in a...

1:31:55What were these things that he said? Repeating Russian propaganda About the invasion of Ukraine And his point was, well, there's a backstory here Which is that NATO has been moving eastward since 1991 And that's a massive threat to Russia Missiles on their border from a hostile powers of threat And the Biden administration accelerated that And in response Putin invaded eastern Ukraine Now you can disagree with that But that's hardly a crackpot view, by the way I think that's actually true But even if you don't agree that it's true, that's not... You don't have to be a paid propagandist from the Kremlin to say that Right I have said it, not a paid propagandist Is this a gentleman?

1:32:34That's him right there Four Americans from a local government organization Worked with Russian intelligence to spread propaganda, that's it Yes To spread propaganda Now propaganda... First of all, you know, there's a lot of propaganda Scroll up a little on that, Jamie, so I can read what this is saying Covered up Oh, okay Right So that guy... That guy right there Okay, subscribe real quick Yeah, the people's democratic uhuhu movement in St. Petersburg So... So he contacted... He spoke with someone in Russia They spoke with people in Russia No, no, no, no, he is being... He's charged with felonies, the FBI raided his house The first thing they did was cover up the security cameras And they went in there and arrested They were raided by the FBI Okay Russia's foreign intelligence service allegedly weaponized our first amendment rights Freedom's Russianized citizens to divide Americans Interfer elections in the U .S.

1:33:29As Assistant Attorney General Matthew Olsen Now, first of all, weaponized our first amendment rights? No, your first amendment rights are never a crime Right They're... God -given, the government did not bestow them You were born with them as a free person, period And the first amendment simply says you can't interfere with their exercise That's it And in this they are And I looked at... I read this and I thought... And I reached out to this guy by the way Matthew Olsen? No, I wish Matthew Olsen would never do my show I mean, the guy who's salary I pay is a U .S. citizen He would never speak to me Well, listen, look at that quote Russia's foreign intelligence services Allegedly weaponized our first amendment rights Freedom's Russia denies its own citizens To divide Americans and interfere in elections in the United States That...

1:34:19You gotta... Why are you saying that? Let's say what happened Well, don't say... But nothing happens So that's the thing So I'm reading this Someone sent it to me and I'm like, okay Clearly there's a crime here Like they were found with... I don't know, mortar shells Or they were... I mean, usually the government makes up They put kiddie porn on your computer at least to discredit you There's no underlying crime other than they said something That the foreign policy establishment of the United States disagrees with Okay That's not a crime by definition And this guy is facing life in prison And it looks to me Because Barry Weiss has not defended him I think this guy is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison And I'm like, this is crazy The rest of his life in prison Yes!

1:35:02Okay, hold it, this is the thing He sees, I think he's 83 You shit... How do you say his name? You should tell him You should tell him And three other U .S. citizens, Penny Joanne Hass, Jesse Neville And Augustus C. Romaine Jr. Are charged with conspiracy to defraud U .S. Hass Oh, okay The fraud of the United States Hass, Yechatella, and Neville are also charged with impersonating agents of a foreign government Okay, they say to defraud the United States So defraud suggests theft of something of value Right? By defraud U .S. deal your money There's no allegation of that at all And I actually read the charges There's no...

1:35:44The only allegation is the said things That the U .S. government, the Biden administration doesn't like, that's it And because they're impopular And they have views that are considered, quote, shrent fringe You know, like crazy black nationalists Nobody wants to defend them And my only point is not that I'm like such a principled person This seems very obvious to me You can't allow that You absolutely can't... This episode is brought to you by Eight Sleep Let's talk about a game changer in the world of sleep technology Eight Sleep and their revolutionary pod for ultra The pod is a high -tech mattress cover that easily asks your existing bed And is clinically proven to improve sleep by up to one hour per night The pod regulates sleep cycles with precision and automatic temperature control for each side of the bed So you and your partner can have your ideal sleep temperature It also learns your sleep patterns and detect snoring Adjusting the bed's position to stop it Plus it attracts sleep stages, heart rate variability And respiratory rate without wearable devices So if you're ready to take your sleep and recovery to the next level Head over to eightsleep .com slash Rogan And use the code Rogan to get $350 off your very own pod for ultra And you get 30 days to try it at home and return it if you don't like it I have it, I use it, and I love it Your body will thank you for this investment in better sleep Shipping to many countries worldwide See details at eightsleep .com slash Rogan I'll allow that If you believe in the First Amendment and the freedom of free people to say what they think So with this application is they're saying that they were recruited By the FSB so it says prosecutor said in of Operating an entity called the anti globalization movement of Russia that was used to carry out its U .S.

1:37:48Influence efforts overseen by the Russian intelligence service notice FSB They recruited U .S.-based organizations to help sway elections Make it appear there was a strong support in the U .S. for Russia's invasion of Ukraine And backed efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry The genocide of African people in the U .S. according to the indictment Backed efforts What does that mean? Look at that like this means that Backed efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry The genocide of African people But just look at that statement Backed efforts such as a thing to decry genocide The United Nations petition of 2015 to decry the genocide of African people in the U .S.

1:38:41according to the indictment Okay, so the real misinformation and propaganda is in the charging documents actually The real liars here are the Biden DOJ officials who did this and they're dangerous they're criminals in my opinion But if you read it carefully you will see that the only crime is having opinions that the people in charge didn't like And were they in contact with people from Russia? Yeah, I think they went over to Russia for some conference But by the way this typically works as they say You went to a country against which we've imposed sanctions Right And you violated the sanctions regime in some way Like that's how they get you They're not even alleging that They're not even alleging that They're just saying you said things that we don't like that by the way of foreign government we don't like agrees with But that's not Learned those when they went over to Russia It's all on the internet They're But they learned them I mean I guess it doesn't matter where they learned them I would because I've talked to the guy and I've seen what they wrote The opinions that they expressed I don't you know the genocide of African peoples in America I don't even know what that means I guess I don't agree with that But their views on Russia I generally agree with because I think they're true And so does Jeff Sachs and a lot of other non -crazy non -black nationals who probably agree with the basic framework of their position But whether we agree or not is not relevant Right All that matters is in a free country which this was when I grew up You have the right to any opinion you want You do not have the right to hurt people you don't have the right to steal from them You don't have the right to defraud people But you certainly foremost have the right to any opinion you want No matter what the people in charge think of it In fact you have that right as a bulwark against tyranny by the people in charge Like that's the only thing that keeps this country free is my right to have any opinion I want And this guy is going to jail for his opinions And you know it's so crazy that I kept thinking like is there something that I'm missing Like it does seem a little fringe this group I'd never heard of them I'm not saying them money okay They must have done something no nothing And you should see the video of the FBI right it's unbelievable they sent They sent like it's on the internet it's on X I have the video on there They sent like 40 armed agents with automatic weapons to this guy's office And his house like no exaggeration It was a full blown like we're resting El Chapo type thing For this guy is like an 83 year old army veteran It's outrageous and I really find it baffling That nobody who's like against woke culture whatever will touch it And the reason they won't touch it is because their foreign policy views in general are more important to them Than their views on speech and the first amendment no views on America Well if you step out of line right so the ideology is that we must support Ukraine So this is the Russia has a point this is what they're saying So Russia was very upset about the movement of the weapons closer to their borders The joining NATO all the stuff that was the hard red lines that Putin had already set Like if Russia Russia would definitely do something if Ukraine joined NATO We all knew that So if you deviate from that you're going to be in trouble so better just ignore it Because you can't you clearly if you look at who these people are I mean these are people that would be supported by the left Well they are I mean it's like the revolutionary socialism They're not at CPAC this year But the left has to ignore it because then...

1:42:36100 % It conflicts with this other organization Right on the left or just like now they're actually ridiculous They don't mean anything In fact we've moved past the point where they don't mean anything they do mean something They are propaganda instruments designed to cloak the truth from the rest of us In fact there's agreement not disagreement at the center of power They all agree in the things that matter And those are the economy and foreign policy because that's where the money is There's no effort to say rein in the credit card companies Which if you really cared about the country You'd say but people really suffering They don't have enough money to live Kids can't not only not buy houses they can't afford rent And why is that in one of the main reasons is because they're paying like close to 20 % interest on their credit cards And okay we just imagine that in a free market that's a good thing Tell me why that's a good thing Who benefits from that?

1:43:28Why are we for that again? I'm not for that I think the credit card companies are villains And they send credit cards to kids at school and get them hooked on this I think it's totally wrong And if you said that in the US Congress people look at you like you had three heads like what? They just don't care because they all agree That our current economic system and our current foreign policy assumptions are good So that's not a two party system That's a one party system And it doesn't serve the interest of the country And my position is super simple The only country I have an emotional attachment to is the United States That's it I like lots of countries I like almost all countries Actually I've been to a lot of them I like them all But the only one I feel emotional about is the United States Because I live here I was born here My kids are here It's my country And most of the people in our foreign policy conversation do not feel that way So that distorts it Really dramatically And there are also a lot of them are violence worshipers Like they get off on war They get off on hurting people And on the power that that imbues them with And I think you know the Liz Cheney model You know what I mean?

1:44:38Like someone like Liz Cheney who's got like a really sad and barren personal life A lot of them are this way Weird personal life Failed personal life Like they don't have people who love them They don't have kids who respect them And so Adam Kinzinger Whatever, they're all kind of the same The more broken they are inside The more focused they are on like War and foreign policy Because it gives them a feeling of power and strength and success Like I can't get my wife to respect to me I can't get my kids to listen to me I can't pass any meaningful domestic agenda But what I can do is bomb the living shit out of a foreign country And so there is this It's not true for all of them But for a lot of them There is this syndrome That drives their behavior But whatever the reason It's totally disconnected from what's good for the country And if you run America You have one job One job And that's improved America Period They don't see it that way And so I don't think the system can continue Because it's too distorted It's not serving its original purpose at all So what was it that these guys said That made this raid possible They said Russia And I don't want to speak for them Like I interview anyone who will see it And I just want to say again Like one of the cool things about this moment That I did not anticipate there was all this sad stuff happening I know that you probably experienced it all the time It's like finding Not only common ground with people You thought you had nothing in common with it all But also liking them You know like I actually liked the guy I'm sure we distributed a million things Probably mad at white people I am a white person Whatever But like in my conversation I was like I like this guy You know he's honest And he's sincere he's principled He was a veteran Whatever No I really think what they said Was what I have said And a lot of people have said Which is there was a reason for this invasion Personally the invasion was a bad idea It didn't help anybody I'm against war I'm sad the war's ongoing But they were pushed to this By a more powerful country Which would be the United States of America With the threat of including Ukraine in NATO It's really simple And right before the invasion days before the invasion They send poor Kamala Harris Who has no idea what day it is To the Munich Security Conference An area she knows nothing about No experience at all And they send her there for one purpose Which is to announce that he pressed briefing With all the cameras rolling To Zelensky right there she says We want you to join NATO What?

1:47:12No other NATO members were clamoring for Ukraine It didn't even qualify for NATO membership Why would you say that? When Putin's got troops masked on Ukrainian border You send your vice president To the Munich Security Conference With the world watching And say this that no one even really wants Why would you do that? To provoke war? Obviously what's the other reason? And it was scripted Like Kamala Harris is not free -balling stuff Like she's saying what she's told to say? Obviously it's not her area She doesn't know anything about this stuff She was told to say that But why? To provoke a war?

1:47:46Obviously So that was my read I said that on Fox News Not a lot of people liked it But it just seemed obvious to me I'm not Making excuses for Putin Please I want to protect the United States And I think this war really hurts the United States Like my motives are always right out there Anyway, I think they said a species of that Something like that And And last thing I'll say is that Why was the reaction so strong? Because it was true They don't care if you lie No one in power cares if you lie But a lot of people They don't care what you tell the truth A lot of people are saying those things And they're not getting arrested Because he's like some black nationalist guy And St.

1:48:23Petersburg Like who cares? Who's going to defend him? Nobody He's some wacko He's some like 80 year old guy Who's like been in the Like fringe left movement For the past 50 years You know like a new Huey Newton And Stokely Carmichael He's like a relic of the past And like he doesn't have a constituency He doesn't care The modern Democratic Party Hates him He hates them And the Republican Party is like Black nationalism No thanks So he has no constituency They're never going to Like you could say that And what are they going to do to you? You know nothing Because they're They can't But this guy Yeah Crush him Kill him And that's exactly what they're doing And I really think Not to be like a 70s liberal about it If you let the weak get crushed It's bad It's super bad You need to protect the weak And this guy's weak And So you think they're making an example Out of him with this?

1:49:19And they can They have all this power I just don't understand why They would move so many people Why they would get so many agents Why they would do this so publicly For one guy's opinion Or one group of people's opinion Well, I don't know I mean why do you think Especially they have a constituency Why did medieval kings Hang the heads of people they executed From the gates Right, but it feels like This should be more to it Like what did they say? So the problem You're telling me I know The problem is that I mean I'm just strong man I'm still manning this rather So the problem is that they went over to Russia And they talked with people in Russia And then they're saying these things Is that the problem?

1:49:55They're not charged with that They're not charged with going to Russia But do you think that's the motivation behind it Because they went over there? It's a different article Has a quote from him Okay Yeah, they are not At least when I interviewed him They had not been charged with taking money from Russia So it says they've been accused of us They've accused us of taking money from Russia Yes, you tell us said Yesterday news conference in July 29th We've never taken any money from Russian government But I'm not saying that Because I'm morally opposed to taking money from the Russians Or anyone else who wants to support the struggles for black people Don't tell us what we can Don't tell us that we can't have friends That you don't like He accused the U .S.

1:50:36government U .S. government of seeking to use the APSP as a pawn In its proxy war with Russia The unsubstantiated allegation that opponents of the war are co -conspirators With a foreign power Are intended to bolster the phantom of a Russian boogie man In the public consciousness The escalating military aggression by the U .S. against Russia and China Is already being accompanied by increasing repression And an attempt to criminalize left -wing opposition to the unpopular war Well, exactly So they're accusing him of taking money from Russia? They're not charging him so here's the distinction which is like really really important So there are two levels on which the Department of Justice in all administrations acts There's the level of propaganda Like what do we want people to think and there's the level of law?

1:51:28What are we charging someone with? And you have to ignore the first and pay very close attention to the second So we have a legal system, we have laws and you can't actually go to jail unless you violate one under the terms of our system And so ignore what they're saying about you Joe Rogan sucks, he's a bad man But in the end, I'm busting you for double parking And so really you're not a bad man, you're a double parker under the law And so if you look at the charges against these guys, they're not charged with violating sanctions regulations They are charged with totally amorphous, quote, crimes like defrauding the U .S.

1:52:06government, not for money, but for like defrauding it Like I guess counter -signalling it Sending a message publicly that they don't like, I mean there's no crime, look it up, except speaking And I think that's a precedent that we don't want to live with No, no doubt Alright, let's take a leak Yeah, let's take a leak, we'll be right back, we're gonna pee Tucker and I are gonna pee together Yeah, well that's the confronting of reality, you're forced to examine your beliefs and why you came to those beliefs in the first place Yeah, that is the beauty of this moment though It is People are living intentionally much more, and it's also just much more interesting, it's not just, you know, it's less shallow than it was for sure I think so, I think it's more nuanced, people have more, at least the people that are paying attention, have a more nuanced perspective But then you have the people that are in the echo chambers that are just digging their heels in even more And you could spot them easily because they...

1:53:11Well they're missing out because there's nothing more liberating than admitting you were wrong I mean that is the, that is like the moment of liberation Right And that's the basis of, religion is the basis of AA It's the basis of anything that improves you as a person is admitting, honestly admitting to other people not just to yourself that like, wow I got that wrong Yeah, and then you're afraid Because then you don't have to hide it anymore Right, very important And it's a beautiful thing and that is like changing your mind, I always notice this covering politics That, you know, it can't, it would be like, I've got him on tape saying 10 years ago something different And no one ever asked my opinion but I always wanted to say, why don't you just, why don't you say, you're absolutely right And the country's a lot different from what it was 10 years ago and so my opinions changed too, like why wouldn't they?

1:53:54Because I'm not a freaking robot or a liar Also, I used to think this because of that and now I realize I was wrong Exactly! How great is that? Yeah I mean, it's part of being a human, it's not a being a flip flopper It's the best part of being a human Well, this is an interesting time for that because you see people that won't do that And you could recognize them easily because they're the first people to throw out insults The first thing to do is to describe you, they'll describe you in an insulting way And then they'll say what they disagree with you about They'll say something, they try to define you They'll do far right, white supremacist, racist...

1:54:31Oh, been there! Yeah, they throw it all at you And then they say what you said It's so funny, I got called racist and white supremacist so many times but when I first was called that I mean it really stung, you know, a lot Because just where I grew up and how I grew up and those like the worst things you could ever call somebody And so I actually like paused for a moment and thought, am I? Which I think it's fair to ask yourself, like am I? A white, whatever that I never figured out what that was Am I a racist? Not really And I thought really the people I dislike most are almost all white liberals actually So...

1:55:13You're racist against white people No, but like, no, I am white, my kids are white, I'm not against white people, I like white people But no, it's not that, it's that... So a reporter once called me about this, you've been called racist like no, actually really just like you If I were sort of narrowed down my bigotries, it's like people like you I just think you're disgusting I really mean it too Raise your raises, okay Alright, well it's a thing, you know I don't think that works as much anymore It doesn't work No, well I think a lot of the things that you overuse eventually people realize like oh you're yelling wolf again Yeah Well of course, and when people get hit with it and don't disappear then it becomes obvious that it lacks power But it's also, you're trying to like use these words to define someone, especially someone like you That has so many hours and hours of talking about things Like to try to this reductionist perspective of someone to reduce them To this ultimately very negative thing and not say that they're a human being And also the fact that it's done by the people that want to think of themselves as compassionate and kind Which is the most bizarre, the left is so aggressively in compassionate Like they're so aggressively unkind with letting letting people die of drug odies on the sidewalk That's compassion No, that whole thing is fucking crazy Well it's cruelty actually It is, and it's also when you fight, do you know Koleon Dwaris?

1:56:40I know him Yeah, great guy He opened my eyes to the homelessness thing Well you had him on the podcast and he was explaining how he was in San Francisco And he was like what is this? Is like they don't have any money for this? Is that what it is? Like no, there's a whole business behind this Of course And these people that are running this homeless initiative or whatever the fuck they call it They're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, some of them are quarter million dollars Imagine making money off the homeless And not doing a goddamn thing But what's so funny is I do think the root of their power and the one thing they're good at is just Charging the moral high ground and taking it in the first moments of the battle Yeah They just run up to the moral high ground and we're like we've got this, this is ours And they'll protect that at all costs and it's like that's kind of all they have Is this self -righteousness And if you can puncture that it's like you're getting rich from the homeless actually Yeah And is there anything more disgusting than that?

1:57:35Did some junkie who's dying in misery outside the convention center in San Francisco And you're making money on that? They're essentially using those people as a battery to expand the power of government Yeah, and their own personal advantage Yeah, they're expanding government They're making more government employees Now there's tons of people that are working on the homelessness problem Air quotes And you know they probably all have blue hair and they talked nonsense And nothing's getting done And no one's being punished for it But when they did that study where they said that they had no data Like how are you?

1:58:10What? You can't say whether or not it's doing anything Yeah Well how'd you spend 24 billion dollars? But why are they not treated as like the most reprehensible people in our society? I think there's too many things to think about Yeah I think most people unlike you and I aren't even paying attention to it They're paying attention to the fact that the tents are there They're paying attention to if you go to Los Angeles it's a fucking zombie apocalypse But what they're not paying attention to is what is going on? How many people are making money? I didn't even know until Coleon explained it to us I had no idea I thought it was just they don't have any money They don't put any money in it and they let these people sleep there Oh no No there's actual money Yeah Parasites, government parasites Of course And you know this whole idea of I've created so many jobs Like what jobs are they government jobs that are just bullshit?

1:58:59Because there's a lot of those What's crazy to me just having spent most of my life in Washington Is how close this is to the lawmakers physically So the US Capitol sits across from something called Union Station Which is a really beautiful train station Right on Capitol Hill And so to get into the Capitol When there's a massive homeless city there People dying of drug odies right there And so to get to work every day Lawmakers have to like step over the bodies Of fellow Americans dying But dying, living outdoors Shitting in the bushes Addicted to drugs which is hell Okay And they have to ignore that on their way To creating utopia in some foreign country And you're like, does it ever occur to you That that's disgusting?

1:59:47That your primary duty is to the drug addict Your fellow American You're doing nothing And you're telling me how we're going to make Eastern Europe Into you know this brave new world I don't know, I just can't get past that I think I'm not super sensitive Or aware or anything I'm not super anything really I'm pretty ordinary But I think I would notice I was like walking into a vote And you crayon aid I'd be like, shit, they're like five junkies on the street Like maybe we should do something for them? Yeah Yeah, it's very bizarre It's bizarre that they can rationalize it Or at least that they don't get called out by all their people And this idea that it's compassionate You have compassion to leave these people And to give them aid and to help them and give them clean needles But then you've got to think like maybe there's something bigger going on actually Because there's no yes, there's an entire sector of the economy now That feeds off of human misery The drug treatment centers that don't work The homeless advocates who create more homeless The migrant workers You know, American born Aid agencies, workers who You know, increase illegal immigration and gang activity You know, all this, you know, people are making money off this The arms manufacturers that help kill people in foreign countries etc, etc There's a vague in all of that It's a scam, it's a grift, etc, etc But like there's something more Like there are a lot of people who seem to be just like for evil for its own sake And you're like maybe all the like crazy talk about a spiritual war of like good and evil Maybe there's something to that Maybe that's not an illusion Maybe that's like everyone else has always thought that There are certainly forces that have evil consequences that exist But they act on people from the outside And you feel it also on the other side I mean people are better than they naturally are sometimes Like you feel compassion for people or true empathy for someone Or you really want to help someone There's no advantage to you at all like why are you doing that?

2:01:53It's almost like you're being acted on by good And all of us have known those moments where we just are cruel for the sake of it It hurts someone for the sake of it What's that? There's no advantage to us that's evil acting on us And I think we're seeing it at scale And like I grew up in the most secular world you could ever grow up in Southern California in the 70s and 80s And in a very secular family And I've never really paid much attention to that And all of a sudden every not everyone A lot of people I know who had similar childhoods to mind Some more life experiences are like Maybe there is like a supernatural realm Maybe there's more than just like what we can see and feel Maybe life is more than just ordering shit on Amazon Maybe there's like a purpose Maybe there is this battle between good and evil Around us that we can't see but that we do experience a lot It seems like it's always been a narrative throughout human history It's always been this recognition Carl's over there snoring I don't have my headphones on so I can hear them Are you snoring or snoring?

2:02:53Carl the dog Carl the dog Carl the dog He snores the dog But he snores when he sleeps because he's a little French bulldog He's a sporty little bulldog He's awesome Dogs don't get cuter They might be as cute but they don't get any cuter than Carl I think that's right I've got some pretty good looking dogs I have a beautiful dog I have a golden retriever but he's not as cute as Carl Carl's a different thing Don't tell him that He knows he doesn't like Carl He doesn't hate Carl but he ignores him He thinks of Carl as a thief of attention only Which he is Fair We've always human beings have always At least believed that there are forces of good and evil And that they That's what Extracism is about The idea that you're possessed You're possessed by evil There's always been this thought that there's good and evil But when did you start When did you start Considering that and thinking that that's Because why aren't you at one point down?

2:04:01Aren't you a grateful deadhead Oh yeah Listen to him this morning He's the travel around with them How old were you when that was going on? I went to my first dead show in December of 1984 So I was 15 at Speaking of the San Francisco Civic Center yeah the New Year shows So they've always played in Oakland But one year they played at the In San Francisco And so we were in Tahoe over Christmas And for some reason my My dad was gonna only know where So my brother and I drove illegally From Tahoe In the family vehicle To downtown San Francisco How old was your brother? 13 So you drove or you drove 15 you drove Yeah wow So it was a couple hours And I remember being on the freeway Like at 15 Well we had a pretty Different kind of childhood But anyway Anyway we did it Is that you?

2:05:05Yeah it's me on the left Get the fuck out of here Yeah I don't know I don't know how That picture is hanging in my barn And I've never you know I don't release any pictures of Myself or family or anything like that And somebody came to my barn And took a picture of that It's hanging next to my sink And put it on the internet Wow So that's my brother Buckley on the right That picture was taken So my dad was a reporter in San Francisco In the 60s And pretty well known reporter And that was in the 80s When I was in school And we were home for Christmas vacation And he had covered the grateful dead He knew the grateful dead My dad did So they were in his office They like came through DC And they like called him And they came over to his office And my dad's like I've got Jaguar C here You guys should come down So my brother and I we lived in Georgetown And we had a VESPA Remember those?

2:05:58Yeah And we drove our VESPA Was freaking cold out I'll never forget that we drove our VESPA down to Sixth and Eer Whatever where my dad's office was And there was Jerry I'd never met him before He was missing the middle finger of his right hand Famously You know the famously handprint Grateful dead handprint And but when he shook his hand You could feel his it collapsed kind of Because he didn't have that middle finger But anyway so my brother and I drove To this to the to the New Year show It was actually a couple nights before New Years And we didn't have tickets of course And we were in the park Across from there And we were you know Whatever doing the You know whatever the things that people do at dead shows And we're pretty freaking out of it And this guy comes up out of nowhere And puts a ticket on face He goes here and hands me a ticket So my brother Extremely out of it I mean he was you know I never should have Done this but I was like All right man I'm going in All right and I left my little brother in the park During the show just like very very impaired Like super super impaired It was completely wrong to do something I know but I did do it And then I went in and saw the show Kind of freaked out in the middle of it Hidden the men's room for a while I'll never forget that standing on the With the stall smoking cigarettes Is it acid?

2:07:18It was no it was a psilocybin mushrooms Which by the way I should just say I got sober 22 years ago I'm completely opposed to anything Like I don't take Advil like I'm totally opposed to Anything but other than nicotine and coffee But yeah it was mushrooms So we ate we too many And started to To To kind of melt down a little bit But anyway the point is I get out of the show This is pre -self This is 1984 and I get out of the show And they played actually a lot of Tunes that they didn't Play they played spoonful Like they didn't play spoonful a lot It was like a pretty obscure tune I'd never heard it before actually And I couldn't find my brother My little brother And I'm like in charge and You know my closest friend And lifelong friends Talked him this morning and But I couldn't find him And I was like oh man My brother's gone but there he was He appeared like an hour later He had spent the entire show And somebody's van But he seemed undamaged And it was great I mean not everything about it is great I mean I do think the drug Thing got you know Definitely hurt people for sure But from my perspective I went to a bunch probably 50 or more shows And really enjoyed it And I love the fact that they had Two drummers That was a huge thing for me I love rhythm I think it's The basis of music it's obviously the basis of music I mean the instrument instruments are cool But they're kind of like interior design And the architecture is rhythm And it's the universal sound That every culture appreciates Because it reflects something That's pre -existing that's in you Everyone relates to rhythm And I just absolutely loved The drums and I loved They would always play like it was called drums Actually but they would play a section of every show It was just drums Bill Crowe's been in Mickey Hart's going crazy on the drums And they had drum circles And I just like drums To this day I listened to drums Just percussion King Sonia Day The great West African drummer And whatever So yeah I like the grateful dead a lot And still doing I like that kind of music Jam music I like acoustic music I love bluegrass Love bluegrass in Americana And to see that grow to see Billy Strings Become like a venue packer Like Billy Strings is like a big act Right now I do feel like creativity Art has been completely destroyed And eliminated in the United States As we were saying earlier You can't be creative If you're not honest It's that simple and we can't be honest So there's no creativity And in the visual arts and literature And architecture it's died But comedy is still alive Think heaven and music For some reason has escaped that And is still alive And the growth, the explosion of Acoustic bluegrass The banjo like one of the great instruments ever Is just thrilling And like a sign of life At this late stage Well I think when there's Social pressures And when societies in chaos Art does tend to thrive Some kind of art Some art that's right Comedy certainly does now Like comedy's never been better But it came close It came close Oh yeah Yeah the walls got breached Whoa No but a few years I don't know when it was But you know eight years ago Or something it felt like Oh wow You know people can't tell jokes anymore We kept doing it I noticed And yeah we kept doing it People in a club And you take their phones away And just have them just be actual human beings And I'll be filming everything Just being completely Trapped with this idea of capturing Something and then putting it online Then you get to have a human experience You mean when people like Live in the present Rather than in the future Or far away That's one of the great things about Through a data line Going to a good club that uses Yonder bags for your phones Is that it just takes you out of it Like at the very least it's a break Like like this podcast Is a break for three hours of phones There's no i'm not No one's checking phones I love that That's very rare with human beings Where they can just sit down and just have conversations For long periods of time Without being distracted by something Not in my house but yeah It's a real problem with folks It's a huge problem It's a huge problem And the one thing I will say about My very unconventional childhood Is there was a huge premium on meals And like eating with people And spending four hours at the table Was like totally normal In the house that I grew up in Totally normal in fact it was like daily And that was our primary Form of entertainment And motive communication And you know thing that we did For fulfillment and fun And I still do that I still feel that way And we have dinner parties Constantly and there are no phones And people talk and Entertain each other and it's like it's so much more interest I'm not on social media but if I Were on social media I don't think I would find that on Instagram And I'm not tacking Instagram But I don't think I would find that Anything like that No it's It's Definitely a lost thing It's such an easy thing it's such a fun thing It is a fun thing yeah It's a great thing and I think people enjoy it And I think that's also led to the rise of podcasts too Because they don't get that in their real life So at least they get to be a person Who sits in on these conversations I got to say this is not being Suck up because I don't suck up Ever to anyone But the effect that podcasts have had It's just incredible And I never would have Predicted that I would a million freaking years I would have never thought it When when I first started doing this It was in my living room with my friend Brian And we did it on a laptop And we had a webcam and we were like It was my friend Brian Yeah, Brian ran out of kiltony Yes I did I just No but I just love the phrase with my friend Brian Like every bad story like Me and my friend Brian And then we were That's what we did And I just mean my friend Brian We just started fucking around online And then we started eventually bringing guests And then we eventually got a studio And then eventually I got You know a big place in LA Like a real warehouse And then eventually moved to Texas It all just eventually happened But it was I mean I was in another part of media For that whole period And if you had asked me to Up until the last few years Like the future is clearly shorter CRISPR More produced Right, that's what I thought that Exactly, everyone did think that including me And I hated it I hated it, I like long form but I never I was a long form magazine writer for a year So I thought that was over Yeah, not over Everybody thought that Yeah, even my friends They were telling me how to edit my show Like you should edit that No one's going to listen at three hours Like then don't listen Okay, did everyone I don't know how to make any money doing this It was just for fun I love that It was just fun for years For years and years I did it just with no money There was no money in it forever How many years in did it start to pay for itself Five That's a long time Yeah, long time It took a while I mean it was making it was probably like Existing Yeah, but about five years in Then it started making money and then it was like Oh, it was a business.

2:15:02I remember very clearly I was on stage once in Chicago I was doing the Chicago Theatre And I had this story that I was going to tell me How many people listen to the podcast And there's 3700 people in the place And they went nuts It was like yeah, I was like Oh I thought there was this like thing that I'm doing Where you know a few people are paying attention I don't even know what that I didn't even back then I never even knew what the numbers were I didn't even care Well they may not have been like Could you even collect numbers actually Yeah, you get downloads off of You know like whatever the provider was That was With a host you could get like Download numbers from the host They would use that to inform ads Like oh he gets X amount of downloads Per month and then they would You know that's when there was very Few people advertising on podcasts Alright, let's give it a try But it's one of the great Developments between Podcasting and Billy Strings Like I'm sure I have hope That it's not all going in the wrong direction Because you can get this view That like everything is falling apart Late Rome Yeah, just a matter of time before You know it really does collapse And then you see these signs that are not minor You know they're significant That like no people I mean I haven't met a person In the past year who said you know I thought this but then I was reading the New York Times And I realized I was wrong Like not one person But the number of people say I was listening to this podcast I was listening to Rogan and duh duh duh duh duh duh It's like you know Really noticeable Yeah that's why It's interesting It's interesting because you could put people in front of people And they might not even be right It might be wrong But at least now you're having conversations About something you would never have a conversation about before And even if this person gets exposed as being incorrect Well now you have a more nuanced understanding of what the subject is about And why people think incorrect things And you know this idea of like Platforming people is a big one today Why would you platform that person First of all Platform is not a verb And whenever they take a perfectly good noun And turn it into a verb You know something Bad is a foot Platform Oh you mean letting an adult human being talk Right I think that's not only allowed I think that's the law Not only that I think it's important for us It's even important to talk to people That are Completely different than you That don't agree with you at all Well it's especially important Yeah Otherwise it's just masturbatory It's just you alone getting yourself off But it's also interesting to know why these people think the way they think And also there's so many people that If you talk to them online you'd have these horrible conversations But if you sit down with them as an actual human being And treat them with respect And consideration They talk to them like a human being And you just try to be as friendly and open and possible As possible Despite what your differences might be You realize most people have a lot in common A lot more way more in common than they don't But that's the secret that they're trying to hide Yeah So mind control You know the end stage of mind control is censorship But it begins long before that And it begins by creating false categories That wall off Your willingness That prevent you from wanting to know certain things Or talk to certain people And name calling is the most obvious tool Like he's a crank, he's racist He's a whatever and fill it in And then you're like I can't listen to that person And I have to say Your willingness to Platform or to have a conversation with Alex Jones I think was a revolutionary act Actually Not that everything Alex Jones says is right It's not, not everything I say is right Or anyone says is right But Alex Jones is an interesting person And even if he's not interesting He has been walled off from the rest of us Through name calling And your willingness to be like no actually We're just going to listen to Alex Jones And you can decide for yourself Well Alex has been my friend for more than 20 years Exactly But even if he was just the way Yeah but I'm sure you have other friends You haven't invited and just like You were not allowed to talk to him And when you hear Alex Jones talk You may not agree with everything he says I don't know that I do But you definitely understand Why they told you you couldn't listen to Alex Jones Well that's one of the reasons why I had him as one of the first guests When I came over to Spotify I was like let's go What did they say?

2:19:36Well a lot of people weren't happy We lost sponsors, it was an issue But I think it did the job You know Regardless of what he said that's incorrect Clearly the Sandy Hook thing was incorrect You know Alex I know Alex personally So I know what he was going through And you know everybody wants to talk about mental health And they want to praise people For being honest about their mental health issues And support them on their mental health journey to wellness Alex has gone through some real issues And one of the reasons why he's gone through some issues Is because that guy is uncovering real shit that's terrifying every fucking day And he was drinking out of control And you know he's just fucking constantly stressed freaking out And when you see so many lies And so much propaganda And so many siops that are being done on people You start seeing them where they don't exist And that's what he did Well and he's also Channeling some stuff You can't call 9 -11 In detail because you're super informed Before the fact He called it He literally called it in the summer of 2001 He said planes will fly into the world trade centers And they will blame a man called Osama Bin Laden We know that he said that because he said it on tape Yeah Multiple times And then he said call the White House and tell them this Now that's all we know about Alex Jones Let's just say that's the fact set How did that happen?

2:21:07Right, how did he do that? No, he's channeling something That's super, yeah of course There's like no other, I mean tell me how he did it otherwise I've asked him about it How did you do that? At length he had dinner on my barn recently We're talking about this How did you do that? I don't know, it just came to me And that's real, that is real The supernatural is real And I don't know why it's hard For the modern mind guess because it's a materialist mind To accept that And that's not a new phenomenon It's happened throughout history There are people called prophets And there are people who were prophets Who weren't called prophets But there are people who have information Or parts of information, bits of information Visions of information come to them And then they relay it It's not from them They received it This is like the one of the oldest Phenomenon in human history So those people tend to be A little crazy, a little unbalanced A little different from everybody else Do you know what I mean?

2:22:08They live on locusts and honey In the wilderness, I mean that's just like They're not like everybody else And that's clearly part of what I'm not saying that everything that Alex Jones says is a prophecy from God It's not But that was prophetic And if it wasn't tell me how it wasn't In July of 2000 Like I lived in Washington in July of 2001 You know, my dad worked in the government Like I was as well informed as Anybody could be about what was going on in the government I've always been interested in what's happening in other countries I was aware of a Sambin Laden I knew about the Taliban. I knew More than most people There's not one person Who is saying not one person in Washington Do you see what he was saying?

2:22:47You know, at some point soon They may fly airplanes into the world trade centers And blame a Sambin Laden Like that just wasn't a thing So if you said that multiple times on camera There's a reason And everyone I've said this to 50 people And I just said to you and they all look at me like Yeah, that's stupid Tell me how it's stupid Tell me how he did that That's impossible He didn't just do it with that either No, I'm not aware He's done it with a lot of things And that's one of the more interesting things about him Is that like He talks about stuff Like he talked about like I'm going to send this to Jamie Because this is one of the really crazy ones that he called And this is like 2000 2000 probably I guess 2017

2:23:44Here it is Let me find this, give me a second here Because I sent it to him like How the fuck did you call this Because it's one of those ones Where you like This is exactly what's happening now Here it is Here 2017 Hold on a second I'll send you this, Jamie

2:24:07Come on Technology, let's go All right, I sent it to you, Jamie So this is some guy's Instagram clip that I found That took a clip from the podcast And he's doing commentary over put these So I'm real quick

2:24:31You got it? Okay, cool

2:24:40Here we go 22 years on podcasts Info Wars, Alex Jones And Joe Rogan Discuss what's currently happening Right now Google, Surn, Technology Vampire, Alien And the next show Alex was pretty on point with this message Let me know what your thoughts are Is he crazy or is he on his something It's really big Okay Yeah, pouring on the shot Yeah All right, let me give you my best of the please Deep research proclamation What do you think he's going But am I wrong to still hold out hope that aliens are real Because I tell you That's one of the two guilty pleasures And I still cling to His big foot and aliens Those are two Big foot not so much, I wish it was real but I just don't Are you ready?

2:25:29Yes, big foot true No, come on daddy Are you ready? Yes, I'm gonna give you the big inch of the show There are aliens in this room right now For real? Yeah, you're not of this world, bro Me? You're the alien Oh, wow, I didn't know Well, here's what the elite believe And let me be very clear as the media will tell you some context I only go with what I can prove Oh, thank you and people can't even handle that There's armies, we're fighting a pentafal conspiracy But beyond that it's a vampire conspiracy And that they are Interdimensionally sucking the essence of our youth Right And they believe they're possessed by an all -world entity They do Yeah, and Joe, I've been on air 22 years I don't get into aliens, metaphysical, religion, any of that I've studied the elite And I've also communicated with a lot of the top people And if you want to know I will actually break down right now The best knowledge right now What's happening on the planet?

2:26:22The elite are all about transcendence And living forever And the secrets of the universe And they want to know all this Summer good, summer bad, summer mix But the good ones don't ever want to organize The bad ones didn't want to organize Because they lost their power Powerful consciousnesses Don't want to dominate other people They want to empower them so they don't tend to get together Until things are really late in the game Then they come together, evil is always defeated Because good is so much stronger And we're on this planet And Einstein's physics shot at Max Planck's physics shot at all There's at least 12 dimensions And now that's all the top scientists And billionaires are coming out saying It's a false hologram It is artificial The computers are scanning and finding Tension points where it's artificially projected And gravity's bleeding in To this universe That's what they call dark matter So we're like a thought or a dream That's a whisp In some computer programs, some gods mind, whatever They're proving it all, it's all coming out Now, there's like this sub -transmission zone Below the third dimension This just turned over to the most horrible things What it resonates to And it's trying to get up into the third dimension That's just a basic level consciousness To launch into the next levels And our species are already way up At the fifth, sixth dimension Consciously are best people But there's this big war trying to like basically Destroy humanity because humanity has free will And there's a decision to which level we want to go to We have free will so evil is allowed to come and contend And not just good And they at least themselves Believe they're racing Or using human technology to try to take our best minds And build some type of Breakaway civilization Where they're going to merge with machines Transcend and break away from the failed species that is man Which is kind of like a false transmission Because they're thinking what they are Is ugly and bad, projecting and onto themselves Instead of believing, no, it's a human test About building us up And so, Google was set up 18, 19 years ago This was I knew about this before it was declassified I'm saying I have good sources That they wanted to build a giant artificial system And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a Super computer based on the neuron activities Of the hive mind of humanity With billions of people wired into it With the internet of science And so all of our thoughts go into it And we're actually building a computer that has real neurons In real time that's also Psychically connected to us that are organic creatures So that they will have current prediction powers Future prediction powers A true crystal ball But the big secret is Once you have a crystal ball and know the future You can add stimuli beforehand And make decisions that control the future And so then it's the end of consciousness And free will for individuals as we know And a true 2 .0 And a very bad way Hive mind consciousness With an AI jacked into everyone knowing our hopes and dreams Delivering it to us not in some PKD wirehead system Where we plug in and give up on consciousness Because of unlimited pleasure But because we were already wired and absorbed Before we knew it by giving over our consciousness To the system by our daily decisions That it was able to manipulate and control Into a larger system There's now a human counter strike taking place To shut this off before it gets fully into place And to block these systems And to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes And cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires That are control of this AI system Before humanity is destroyed But AI, how did the pedophile Yes, pretty much it It's incredible I don't understand about it There was seven years ago So No, it's seven years ago no one was thinking It's going to take over civilization You can see why the FBI decided to destroy him, which it did The people, I mean it's just like what has happened to Alex Jones Is proof that at least some of what he's saying is true Because why, who is Alex Jones a threat to?

2:30:22Did you see that interview with the guy from FBI Was trying to hook up with that dude on a date? CIA, yeah. Was it CIA? That's right And they were talking about how they can destroy a person Yeah, I think I was mentioned in there too Well, yeah, it was Yeah, I mean there are a couple of things Okay, so yeah Again, I don't, the third dimension I don't know anything about dimensions Okay, so I can't comment on that But two things he said are true One is that every civilization, every religion, the Greek myths, you know Every single one, including Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism Has believed that there is This sort of That the spirit worlds And humanity are like That there's, you know, there are hybrids Yeah, okay, so that's just a fact Genesis 6 So, you know, I don't think that's crazy at all Given that it has been The belief of Civilizations that had no contact with each other I don't think it's crazy and I also don't think it's crazy to consider it I don't think we have A real map of reality Well, we definitely don't And I, exactly Better put than I, than I explain it That's exactly right, we don't have a real map And it's not crazy to consider it And it was a very, it was an entirely conventional view Up until fairly recently That, yeah, that The spirit world, I hate one Don't use phrase breeds with people But that is, that, everyone thought that Right, and even the term spirit world Is probably a loaded term Of course, they're all loaded terms How do you say it in a way that doesn't sound crazy But the whole thing sounds crazy because we don't acknowledge the reality The actual physical reality, the supernatural And the Israel That's the first thing The second point that's obviously true Is that people, weak people Which is a synonym for bad people Come together for strength and safety They act as one The hive mind is specific to a certain group of people Bad people And that good people don't tend to come together But they're coming together now And I just notice this I mean People independently who I know Or sort of know in many cases have long despised Have come to exactly the same conclusions Without talking to each other I know that you have this experience all the time Yeah It's like, I can't believe you think that How did you wind up thinking that Right And not just on a specific issue Like foreign policy or COVID or whatever But like on a whole bunch of different things They're all coming to the same conclusion And they're coming together And so that does suggest You know A big change and a battle I mean it is a battle between good and evil I'm not always convinced I'm on the good side I've been You know, an instrument of evil many times in my life And I'm ashamed of it You talking about the Iraq war?

2:33:13Yeah, the Iraq war I've been cruel to people Probably even already on your show In ways that are unjustified That's my instinct to do that That's a fault not Not something to brag about It's something I'm ashamed of So I'm not saying I'm always on the right side I certainly have not always been on the right side I've been on the wrong side many many times But that doesn't change the fact That there is good There is evil they are at war with each other And we are Subject to the effects of that conflict And that we're seeing it suddenly Play out in ways that are really really obvious There's no political explanation for the trans phenomenon Nobody benefits You can say I hear these See these right wingers be like really It's all about the people who make synthetic hormones They benefit, yeah okay they benefit It's not driving it, that's stupid It's not about the money actually There's no upside It's not helping the kids at all If a child has anorexia Which is pretty common actually in this country And the child thinks she's fat You don't say to the child Yeah you're fat You don't do that You give the child help if you can It's hard to treat but you try If a child comes to you and says Actually I think I was born in the wrong body The last thing you do is a firm that it's hurting the child Like why would you do that If you love the child you wouldn't do that It's really an exercise Undertaken for the sake of destruction For the sake of hurting someone There's no real upside What's another phrase description of that It's evil And you see that a lot A lot And why Like what is that What is it And why is it so obvious To a completely, even a completely secular person Like me, all of a sudden There's a reason for that History is moving really, really fast We're right in the middle of it And I probably wouldn't have chosen To be born at the time I was I'd much rather reach maturity in 1955 Really?

2:35:09Well I don't know, I don't get to choose I don't like drama, I don't like change Like there was drama and change back then There was but people didn't reckon Well if there was a Cold War of course There was a Korean War But people didn't see it In their face Right, in the way I don't think When you rather know I don't have a choice I do know Yeah, I'd rather know I'd rather be right now Yeah, well you've got a much better attitude than I I mean sometimes my parents got divorced when I was little And so I kind of like I don't want change I know what you mean You know, I was having a conversation In the green room with a club the other night About this guy from Canada That's a HIV positive That's a trans woman That's taking hormones So they can breastfeed Their nine -month -old daughter So biological male Is taking hormones And is now breastfeeding Their daughter off of their male tit And I said if I was Satan If Satan was real I would do that Exactly If Satan's real I would, I mean If Satan was going to do something insidious And unbelievably creepy He would do that Well I think he is doing that Obviously But this guy is a real freak But he's also using public money too But he's a victim too I mean the thing about Right, because the thing about evil The reason that evil is distinct from everything else It destroys the vessel It's held in the conduit through which it flows It destroys the person So that guy in the end Will not thrive He'll be destroyed too And so that's how you know That it's supernatural In other words if I, you know If I steal your iPhone and sell it And I get an extra 400 bucks That's kind of explicable You understand why I'm doing that I want the 400 bucks But if I'm encouraging your kid To castrate himself I'm not really benefiting from that actually There's no material benefit to me at all There's no real psychic benefit It's hurting for its own sake And that's evil There's no political category that explains that Right and then there's clearly money involved in that There is money of course The gender affirming clinics That have popped up all over the country since 2007 You see the map of it it's fucking bananas But why would you want to do that That's why would policymakers want to do that Why would anybody want to make money that way Well but also it's the most unnatural thing ever Because parents every parent of a certain age feels like I like my kids I want grandkids And you want to protect your child So I always think the politicians who push Training is them on the country Like their kids are going trans too Yeah they are Right they're not escaping it It's like they're burning down their own house I would like to see the statistics of people in Hollywood Like how many of their kids turn trans Versus the rest of the world Yeah I know some of them too But how many of them Versus the rest of the world A lot more Which is a morally corrupt business Yes Like more than we knew, more than I knew You know the entertainment business It's always been that way You know Tarantino was talking to us about This famous old director That had a bedroom in his office Where he would bed the starlets And it was just common knowledge If he wanted to be in his movie he had to fuck him And you'd go into his office he had the literal bedroom in his office We had some of that in television I'm sure Yeah quite a bit Yeah and I didn't I didn't really understand You know obviously partaken it or You would know because all my text messages Went up at the New York Times So I'm not hiding any of my own behavior But I mean I will say if I'm being honest I didn't really register with me I was like yeah it's kind of wild and crazy I just didn't You know I like my wife I don't want to blow up my family I didn't do anything like that really But I certainly saw a lot Like a lot of it Like a lot and I just didn't really see it as Like horrifying I just saw it as kind of like Well you know creative people are this way Kind of thing but I look back and my eyes Really dark Well especially the producer thing Right That like the Weinstein thing That the way they ran the business That's how it was paid a play I worked for her He Weinstein for a year Did you really?

2:39:25Yeah I did When? 1999 He had a magazine With Tina Brown called Talk Magazine I was the head political writer for it And they had an office at Carnegie Towers in New York right below the park And I remember the big con I remember that he was a pig I was not like an intimate friend of his or whatever But I certainly dealt with him And the big controversy was He was smoking in elevators And that was and I've Kind of supported that if I'm being honest But he was considered Incredibly insensitive and just like vulgar It's like a pig Well he looks vulgar Yeah well that was certainly what everyone thought of him Where I worked, Harvey is just a pig And his brother Bob was a little bit less that way He was also involved But yeah people knew that he was A bad guy but like They made awesome movies Yeah and also but he was just powerful It's like Harvey Weinstein Like I want to fuck with Harvey Weinstein I mean I didn't really think about it too much to be completely honest I was just a guy I worked for But I don't know I didn't I certainly if you'd played the Alex Jones clip for me in 1999 I would have been And I did see Alex Jones clips in 1999 And then in later years where he was talking about building 7 And I was very offended I was like outraged That he would be suggesting That there was something about 9 .11 That wasn't above board That there were things we didn't know That were being hidden from us And I was like mad at Alex Jones for saying that I remember that really well How dare you The buildings have in one is wild Well it is wild I mean all I know is 21 I don't even know what year it is 23 years could it really be 23 years And 9 .11 23 years later What's the justification for classifying any document around 9 .11?

2:41:07There's no justification Well the same justification and classifying the documents about the Kennedy assassination Well exactly 61 years later Or releasing the COVID vaccine data 75 years later Of course Right I mean it's of course Look secrecy is different from privacy Privacy is necessary for the dignity of this white You've got a door in the bathroom and you're better You need privacy, you need private thoughts We have no privacy whatsoever Not no privacy at all Thanks to the iPhone and governments buying on us all So there's no privacy But there's massive secrecy Secrecy is different, secrecy of that's lying The only reason to have secrecy is in order to do something That you're ashamed of other people knowing about That's immoral and probably illegal And there's more secrecy than ever And that means that there's more lying than ever There are more crimes being committed than ever That's the sure sign of it Why are there a billion classified federal documents And a so -called democracy Because they're lying to us that's why But 9 -11 like what is the justification for that I don't know the answer I really don't know the answer But there is one that's for sure It's not methods and sources You think it's methods and sources Trying to protect their Saudi sources I don't think so You know the wildest thing about tower 7 Is that If you just say it looks like a controlled demolition People get mad at you Why?

2:42:24Well, I don't know Because I'm not saying that it is a controlled demolition But I'm saying if you watch it It looks like a controlled demolition But that happens all the time Buildings catch fire and they just implode in on themselves I think that happens every week All these poultry plants And manufacturing plants that keep getting Burned through fire They all like It's the way it went down Yeah So I say why do they respond that way And of course I responded that way So when I think looking back The reason that I did was Because if you call that into question You had to ask a lot of Other really obvious questions you don't want to deal with And you might arrive at the conclusion That a lot of your most basic assumptions are false And that you've been had And it's just too destabilizing maybe Well the real problem with tower 7 Is they go well okay If it was a controlled demolition How was that engineered Did they just decide to do that Before September 11th And you know how long it would take to rig a building like that Or was it built into the building And how would they know it would even work And how would they do something like that And how would there not be a record Of it being built into the building Like for someone to engineer And where's the sound signal tower on the tape There will be a sound of the explosions Which is a fair question Yeah so a lot of fair questions And has there ever been a building That experienced a tremendous amount of damage Because two enormous skyscrapers Fell right next to it Damaged it and then massive fire started And then there's diesel generators That are in the basement So they have all this fuel So they have this incredible inferno In the basement that weakens the structure Is that why it collapsed?

2:44:04Maybe Totally possible A lot of building engineers disagree with that as you know Yeah And they don't think that could have happened In the way you just described I'm agnostic on it Because I don't know the answer And I have no way of knowing All I know is that there's no justification For keeping those documents secret That I can think of And if there is tell us what it is No one has bothered Because nobody presses And it's you know Add that to the list of outrageous Yeah, you know what I mean And then it gives you this feeling of helplessness Because there's so many of those They just pile on There's always another one He was a new one He was a new one He was a new one He broke into my phone and spied on me And I couldn't get a straight answer to that And I'm not a felon And not only that they used They got into your signal account, right?

2:44:51Yeah, and then they leaked it to the New York Times What they found there So it's one thing to say Okay, we picked up your Text exchanges with a foreign national Which is true I text a lot of foreign nationals Because of my job Like why wouldn't I and it's my right as far as I'm concerned That's not illegal But we picked up your text exchanges Which I think is self -isolied I think they were targeting me, I think they are now I know I'm pretty positive they are But whatever Leaving that aside We spied on you, we think we have justification Is there justification for leaking the contents Of my private conversation to a news outlet In order to discredit me, no there's no That's secret police shit, okay?

2:45:30Yeah, I'm not whining, I'm a victim, I'm certainly not a victim But what was infuriating was And I got members of Congress involved Because I was pissed and I felt threatened I couldn't get a straight answer They were just like, we're not answering those questions And what are you going to do about it? Bitch, what are you going to do about it? I don't possess a drone fleet There's nothing I can do about it actually That's the truth So when the system breaks down And things like, I don't know, honesty, justice The law, none of those applied The people in charge decide Let's just doesn't apply to me You are literally powerless And...

2:46:07Was either the New York Times wouldn't have an issue with that Well, the New York Times does that all the time But they did it to me They wouldn't have an issue with the government tapping into your phone They work for the government Are you kidding me? Right, the New York Times The New York Times is a conduit for the lies of government That's what it is, it's their tool And they're perfectly aware of that I mean, I used to write for the New York Times as a freelancer I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot And yeah, there are a lot of really smart people there But for sure, even now, I would be less so now But there's still, I think, smart people there There are, I know some And they know But they think that that, you know, it's worth it Because they're bringing information or I don't know what they think actually But no, they're, they're tools of power And that's like the one thing that you're not allowed to be Even if you think the power is good Like maybe they all support the agenda of the US government De -stabilizing the world And impoverishing their own population Maybe they're on board with that Even if they are, they shouldn't do it Because the job of the media, the press, is to keep power and check You are kind of like the seatbelt Right, you know You make sure that things don't go too far And they're not doing that They're acting as a willing handmaiden When do you think that's switched?

2:47:26Well, I think it's been the case for a long time I mean, if you look at what happened in Richard Nixon Which I, of course, did not understand at all Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA And with the help of Bob Woodward Who was a Washington Post reporter Who had been a Naval Intelligence Officer Working in the White House Working in the Nixon White House And then he shows up Like a year later And he's this brand new reporter He'd never been a journalist at all He's a Naval Intelligence Officer The famous Bob Woodward, we all reviewer And he's at the Washington Post And somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of the Washington Post He's the lead guy in that story Well, I worked at a newspaper I've been in the news business my whole life That is not how it works You don't take a kid like his first day From a totally unrelated business And put him on the biggest story But he was He was that guy And who is his main source for Watergate Oh, the number two guy at the FBI Oh, so you have the Naval Intelligence Officer working with the FBI Official to destroy the president Okay, so that's a deep state coup What else, how would you describe that If that happened in Guatemala, what would you say And yet the way it was framed And the way that I accepted for decades Was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power No, no, no, no This intrepid reporter Bob Woodward Was a tool of power Secret power which is the most threatening kind To Bounce the single most popular president in American history Richard Nixon from office before the end of his term And replace him with who Oh Gerald Ford Who sat on the Warren commission Now, how did Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president?

2:49:12Well, because Carl Albert The Democrat Speaker of the House told him You must choose him, we will only confirm him When they sent the actual elected vice president away for Tax evasion, Spiro Agnew of Maryland So you have a complete setup Like an absent, Gerald Ford The only unelected president in American history Actually sat on the Warren commission Something else that I accepted at face value Until I looked at it and I was like That's completely insane You didn't want to interview Jack Ruby in your investigation In the assassination Okay, you're fake Yeah, he was on the Warren commission And so Sorry for the long story, but the point is Like that happened in front of all of us But the way it was framed Cloaks the obvious reality of it The people who broke into the Watergate office building From which the name has taken Watergate I think it was six of them or seven of them All but one was a CIA employee That's real It's like, look it up on Google So the whole thing Richard Nixon was elected by more votes Than any president in American history in the 1972 election He was the most popular by votes Which is the only way we can really measure popularity The most popular president In his reelection campaign And two years later he's gone Undone by Naval Intel officer The number two guy at the FBI And a bunch of CIA employees You tell me what that is Those are the facts, those are not disputed facts That's not crackpot shit That's just look it up So why did they want to get rid of Nixon?

2:50:47Um, you know there are a lot of theories on that I mean we don't First of all we don't need to know motive To know what happened They meaning unelected federal employees got rid of Richard Nixon Which is the most Anti -democratic way to make a leadership change that there is Okay I should say at the outset I actually kind of believe in democracy Obviously it's not working well, obviously it's ending globally There will never be another liberal democracy unfortunately But I'm attached to it because I was born here I really believe in it And it's better than in the other system So that's why I'm pissed What was their motive There are a lot of theories on this There's an amazing conversation It's on tape Between Richard Nixon when he was still president I think it was in 1973 And I think it was Richard Helms The head of the CIA though I may have fucked that up But it was the head of the CIA and I think it was Helms And Nixon says I know why they killed Jack Kennedy So Nixon was a student of history Obviously a flawed and complicated person But a very smart person And he was really interested in why this guy who'd been president Just one president before him Was murdered And he didn't think it was a lone gunman Who was mysteriously assassinated two days later by another lone gunman Like it's so obviously bullshit And he knew that and he said the CIA director And you can listen to the tape that's on the internet Is totally silent on this question So I think there was the impression I don't think I know That Nixon understood that the bureaucracy Was really in control of the country It wasn't elected officials And that's a massive threat Because it's true And there may have been other reasons too That I'm not privy to Look all on and by the way I didn't even know any of this Despite having moved to Washington And high school and been around this stuff a lot A lot, a lot I didn't know any of that And I know Bob Woodward personally And I know Carl Bernstein personally I even worked for Carl Bernstein briefly So I knew some of the actual players in this But I didn't connect the obvious dots Because they weren't framed that way That's the point I'm making It's the way that you frame things You can have all the information available On Wikipedia Which is also controlled by the intelligences But there's still information on there The information can be out there In the public domain It's a matter of Seeing it for what it is Right?

2:53:14So Nixon said that he knew Why they killed JFK Did he elaborate? Nope And it's worth listening to It's a very weird conversation It takes place in the Oval Office Which famously Had tape recording devices in it Obviously this became a big feature during the Watergate hearings But yes, that conversation And I may be mangling it slightly But it's on the internet And absolutely worth listening to And the CIA director has this kind of sinister silence So like if I'm the president and you're the CIA director And I say I know why the guy Who's just president 10 years ago was killed The obvious answer would be like Well why?

2:53:55What do you know why he was killed You've got insight into the assassination of the US president He doesn't say anything Just like a very weird response Like what? Just kind of throw that out there Like if you say to me You know we're taking a leak You're at the next year and you're like I figured out the secret to life And I'm like huh Okay That's like not a good response right It's a telling response Do you hear Trump's take on the JFK assassination Why he didn't release the files Yeah I know what Trump's taking He said that if you knew what I know You wouldn't tell people either Which is crazy Well that's his position on the UAP thing as well Yeah actually And that's a lot of people's position on it I mean you know Trump is saying of course the CIA had knowledge of it that is known I mean I mean the whole thing It's so funny There's so many levels and there's so much I don't understand But the whole JFK conspiracy industry And it really is an industry More books written on that than almost any historical topic It's filled with wackos right There are a lot of wackos But it obscures that fact It obscures the larger fact Which is the facts themselves Tell an unbelievable story Yeah And so Whatever I could get into it at great length But yeah Yeah they're still classifying documents 61 years later Both Trump and Joe Biden have In violation of my read of federal law Kept those documents secret There's no living person connected to the Kennedy assassination It was a couple generations ago There's no one person whose secrets are being protected It's an institution Or maybe countries There may have been countries involved too I don't know the answer But there's clearly something worth protecting And I know that when I spoke to someone who'd seen the documents Okay Two years ago And I got one fact out of them Which is yes the CIA was involved And by CIA is a huge organization But James Jesus Angleton The head of the Operations Director Had knowledge of this Which I think is well known But that's the view of someone who saw the documents So I thought that was new So I went on TV and said that The next day I'll never forget it I went quail hunting And I was driving back And I got a phone call from Mike Pompeo's lawyer Mike Pompeo was a secretary of state But before then he was the director of the CIA And in that position He plotted the murder of Julian Assange So he is a criminal As far as I'm concerned But his lawyer called me and said You should know that anyone Who tells you The contents of classified documents has committed a crime He's threatening me Is in my car I'll never with my dog sitting next to me I'll never forget this And I said, are you really saying That to reveal that the US government Had a role in the murder Of a democratically elected president To say that out loud That's the crime What about the actual crime Which is murdering a president Like you're covering up for that Mike Pompeo He had no no response at all And so Mike Pompeo is the one Who pressed Trump to keep Those documents secret And so it's like, what's crazy to me Is not just that Pompeo did that I think Pompeo is a really sinister person And a criminal.

2:57:29I think that I think that because the facts suggest that He was caught Yahoo news, Micah Isikov For a long piece on this several years ago His employees went to Micah Isikov And said, hey, Mike Pompeo Was plotting to murder Julian Assange Who's never even been charged with a crime in the United States As CIA director That's illegal. You're not allowed Federal employees are not allowed to just kill people They don't like, okay? Just Just set the baseline here So That's who Mike Pompeo is But he somehow intimidated Trump Into not releasing That's well, okay, that's all bad, right? I think it's criminal behavior What's crazy is how Mike Pompeo is treated He's treated as like a Republican Puba in good standing He fully expects to become The secretary of defense in a Trump administration Which is like completely insane.

2:58:19Why should you get criminal And give him nuclear weapons? Okay, that's my view I think it's a common sense view And like he goes to fundraisers and dinners And everyone's like, hey, Mike Pompeo It's like, no, you're the guy Who kept information the public Is right to know secret You're the guy who plotted the murder of someone who committed no crime You are the outlaw, you are the bad guy But no, he's treated as like You know, like a pillar of Republican Washington I think that's, I think it's mind bending To watch that And by the way You know, whatever, that's all I'll say By the way No, I mean, you know, people don't say that Because they're worried about getting punished They're worried about someone putting kitty porn on their computer Members of Congress are terrified of the intel agencies I'm not guessing at that They've told me that Including people on the intel committee Including people who run the intel committee The people whose job it is to oversee And keep in line these enormous Secretive agencies Whose budgets we can't even know, they're black budgets They're the parents The agencies are the children They're afraid of the agencies That's not compatible with democracy Democracies are really simple system Even representative democracy like ours The people rule They do so through elections, they express their preference through voting They send their people to the capital city to run the government on their behalf Whenever you have unelected people Who are not accountable to anyone Making the biggest decisions You don't have a democracy, you have something else Another system, I would call it a tyranny Or whatever you want to call it, it's not a democracy So that's like super obvious, it's playing out in front of everyone And no one cares, no one does anything about it And I think the reason is because they're threatened And if you look at the committee chairman Who allow this shit to happen year after year They're all, and I don't know People say, oh, they're compromised They're being blackmailed, I don't have evidence of that But I know them And they all have things to hide, I know that for a fact And so it's not a stretch of imagination to imagine That some committee chairman who's allowing Warrantless spying on Americans to continue Or whatever abuse they're allowing Knowing fully or hiding the truth about UAPs Ignoring the UAP disclosure act of 2023 Why are they doing that?

3:00:35It's not impossible to imagine That some guy with a drinking problem A weird sex life, and that's very common, very common up there That's why they're doing it Because they don't want to be exposed, I don't have evidence of that I don't approve of that But that's not a crazy thing to assume that that could be happening And I said to somebody a very powerful person The other day in a conversation in my kitchen An elected official holds a really senior position A very famous person I was going crazy, I was so mad about all this stuff And about the warrantless spying And about the funding for these insane wars And I said to the guy Who serves in one of the Legislative bodies I got so mad my dogs were afraid They're like, well why are you yelling?

3:01:16Because I don't yell at home But I was like, all these people are controlled They're all weird sex lives And all these things are hiding and they're being blackmailed by the interligencies And he said, and I'm quoting I know It was like, are we Okay, so at this point we're just sort of Admitting that's real like, why do we allow that to continue? Having people compromise thing God, that's an old story It's the oldest story J. Edgar Hoover It's all of them, it's Epstein's Island, it's everything But look, I don't have any, I'm telling you I'm, what's the phrase the finance guys use? Open Camono, like I'm actually telling you all I know, I don't know anything else But I know that the publicly available facts tell a really clear story Which is the government is not acting on behalf of the population And so it's inherently illegitimate Because it's only legitimacy Derives from the citizenry The only reason the government can do things that it does Kill people, collect money by force All the powers that it has Come from one place And that's the consent of the government That's the only legitimacy they have And that's where it's fascinating this concept of good and evil Because when you think about it If this is true And if these people are compromised Because they're secretly perverts and creeps They are though And they're corrupt And they steal money All these different things are evil things Lying, controlling people, engaging and unnecessary Wars that are going to cost thousands of lives for profit All these things are evil things So if evil is real Evil would want those kind of people to be in a position of power Yes, and here's...

3:02:58Evil would want men to be the children Here's the like... Here's the illusion that we fall for time and again We imagine That evil Comes like fully advertised as such Like evil people look like Anton Levant And yeah You know what I mean? Black cloak Exactly Evil is an independent force that exists outside of people That acts upon people I really believe that I've experienced it A lot And it's obvious And what vessel do they choose? The weak It's weak men and women Who are instruments of evil The weaker the leader The more evil that leader will be So it's... And unfortunately we've reached a time in American history Where Every leader is either a woman or a weak man Pretty much And so there's...

3:03:52I'm sorry to say it, that's just true And the weaker the leader, that's why Mike Johnson Everyone's like, oh Mike Johnson, such a nice guy Well, I know Mike Johnson, and he's perfectly nice guy To the extent that he's like polite And seems kind of meek and restrained And he's not saying mother fucker every Ever, you know what I mean? He's got like very sort of buttoned down Affect But he's a weak man And that's the man you should be afraid of The people who you shouldn't be less afraid of Are the, you know, headstrong, loud Don't care what anybody thinks Yeah, those guys will go off track But they're probably not going to a bit You know, genocide Or blow up the world in a nuclear exchange Because they might...

3:04:32They may be obnoxious, but they knew who they are Weak people just become a host For evil You know, an open Empty building That evil occupies Possesses even And that's exactly what's happening to Mike Johnson That's like absolutely crazy Of what Mike Johnson is doing But it's not because he's evil It's because he's weak And therefore susceptible to evil It's a meaningful distinction that I have noticed It is a very strange thing How many Weak people wind up being leaders In this society And particularly because so many people Don't want their lives exposed They don't want that I have sawer on Gazing down upon that if they try to run for president I got it Or the physical threat We look at what's happening to RFK Where the Biden administration For the first time ever denied him secret service protection It's absolutely As a legitimate presidential candidate What's absolutely nuts I mean, how is that You know, you realize that a lot of the things That we took for granted were actually voluntary Like people just didn't do things Because like that's just wrong That's not fair You know what I mean?

3:05:45That's bad sportsmanship Like there was a lot of like self -restraint Involved in running a functional society You can't kind of You can't just make an infinite number of laws And enforce them that's impossible You rely on people to just not do bad shit Because like I'm not that kind of person It does bad shit And once the people in charge decide Well, I'm just going to do whatever I want Not all you can do about it So the Biden administration denies some secret service protection And you're like, how can you do that? Like what we're doing it What are you going to do about it? Bitch And like the answer is nothing actually What is this most recent bill that they're trying to pass About the ability to monitor phones Well, it's just the nightmare scenario It's something that they're already capable of doing Because they did it to you and they did it through an encrypted app Oh, they do, oh yeah How do they do it?

3:06:34Do you know how they use How they got into your phone Well, there are two ways to do it It's interesting and I was with Ed Snowden And Moscow talked a lot about this Because he's got the technical He's for sure an excellent And principled person And his ex -feed is a really good place to start For people to understand what's happening here He's paid a huge price For being on, obviously He's literally exiled to Moscow In voluntarily But there are a couple ways to do it One, you know, you could hack into signal I guess it's open source It was created with CI, money As I'm sure you know I'm not sure that's how you, I don't think you need to do that You just capture the phone itself You just capture the phone And the bottom line on digital security Is that nothing is safe from state actors Who want to spy on your periods There's no electronic communication That they can't monitor a period What about these things like Eric Prince has some new phone out I think it's called unplugged Yeah, Eric is a good friend of mine And I have a couple of those phones And I've talked to him a lot about it And he's really a wonderful person One of my favorite people actually But that phone is designed For a different purpose, I think I know And that phone is designed to keep Apple and Google from tracking you Which is sort of a separate category Like Was this Jimmy?

3:08:04I don't know, I believe I think Which bill? The one you were talking about So let's just get it rolled down to what you highlighted So this is like a perfect example So The Turner Himes bill Congressman Mike Turner and Jim Himes So who are Mike Turner and Jim Himes So It's just me funny Both those guys Are the most And who knows why and you can sort of fill in the blank on motive I'm not going to But those are two of the most reliable Water carriers for the Intel agencies And for basically the federal bureaucracy In the Congress Like these are not people who are working for their constituents These are people who are working for permanent Washington I would say these are two of the most sinister people I know more about Turner than Himes But so it's not surprising they're doing this It would permit federal law enforcement To also force any other service Provider with access to communications equipment Dayhand over data Anyone with access to a Wi -Fi router Or server or even phone Anyone from a landlord to a laundromat Will be required to help the government spy So that's the story right there So basically Warnless Of course Warnless Absolutely And in You know in violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution As if anyone cares anymore, no one does Clearly But I just remember when I was a kid And we're roughly the same generation You remember this too people be like Oh, East Germany Like there are more spies than there are people East Germany was like the most elaborate surveillance state Ever created and of course it collapsed But we always make fun of East Germany Or North Korea Who has more privacy?

3:09:46The average North Korean or the average American Well obviously the average North Korean Because there's less technology The US government spies on its own population More than the North Korean government spies on it That's just a fact I'm not saying North Korea is preferable, I'm not moving there I'm not carrying water for North Korea What I'm doing is criticizing My government because I live here Because it was better, it can be better It should be better and it only will be when we demand it And it's not some Fucking esoteric like you have to be Some crazy civil liberties lawyer Something like every person should demand Just as a starting point of baseline That no, you're not allowed to spy on me I didn't do anything wrong Like what?

3:10:27No privacy, no humanity You can't be fully human without privacy And you also have to take into consideration That these people that are ahead of these intelligence agencies That are requesting these data They're just human beings They're human beings requesting data from other human beings Without going through a court Without going to a judge and getting a warrant Without stating a case Without having like some clear National security mandate Something, of course not And there's no justification I mean, by the way, we had FISA We've had the FISA The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Since I think 1977 So it predates 9 -11 Did it stop 9 -11?

3:11:10Oh, I don't think it did Shut the fuck up You're not protecting us actually You open this other in order to anyone who wants to come You're not checking IDs, you're not doing any kind of biometric You're not even screening for COVID So clearly don't care about my safety Stop telling me you do, you don't, you're a criminal Stop this, charade You don't care about my safety So using my safety as a pretext for spy on me It's not going to fly Because I'm not that stupid I'm maybe kind of stupid, I'm not that stupid No, you're doing this for one simple reason Because this is what organizations do They protect themselves They exist for their own benefit All human organizations From the church bake sale committee To the Department of Justice They all are the same They're an organism just like any other And then organisms main goal is to survive And reproduce to get bigger And you just see this throughout The federal bureaucracy It just so happens that the largest human organization In history is the federal government of the United States And so all of this stuff It accrues to its own power That's why Like let's say you believed every Quote piece of science Or scientific claim about global climate change You would not reach the same policy conclusions You'd be like well the first thing we need to do Is ban private air travel Because obviously that doesn't make any sense And then the second thing we need to do is Whatever, you'd look at it rationally From a scientific, if you bought the premise Which I don't but if you did you would That no You go through every climate Quote climate demand Not one of them disempowers Large organizations, whether it's NGOs Or the government of the United States Not one of them, they all make the government more powerful And they all make you less powerful So that's when you know it's not really about The temperature of the earth's Atmosphere It's about making them more powerful And disempowering you And it's not about who runs those agencies The bigger the agency, the more effective it will be In doing what all human organizations do Which is protect themselves And increase their power It's like, it's fundamental I guess that's what I'm saying It's not about, oh elect Trump, it'll change No, it'll only change when like We're just eliminating the CIA And we're going to have like a small Intel gathering service That feeds the president relevant information So we can make informed policy decisions But we're not going to We're not going to like overturn elections And other countries in the name of democracy Because that's insane If we believe in democracy, then we're going to let people vote For their own leaders, because we believe in democracy As a principle Right?

3:13:36Like you just get rid of all this shit Because it's not helping us, it's only hurting us And it would take someone You know who'd be willing to be assassinated To do anything like that And so as you're choosing your leaders Ask yourself does this person mean it enough To die And that's the same question you would ask about your own dad Does he love me enough to die for me About your own husband Does he love me enough to protect me from a home invader At risk to himself Like the basic prerequisite for leadership Is love of the people you lead And the willingness to die for them And if you don't have that, you shouldn't be leading Period It's true in the military, it's true in business, it's true in your home And it's true in the government And so no president will fix this unless he's like Literally willing to die for it And short of that, it can't be fixed I can think of no better way to end this conversation than that Go wrong in ladies and gentlemen Well listen man, it's been very fun getting to know you I think you are a Very You're a controversial character in the world But you're misunderstood And I think if people pay attention to your actual work And the things that you talk about I think you're generally a force of good I really believe that I feel like I'm the most conventional person who's ever lived Yeah I don't think I'm radical at all I'm the opposite In this crazy time Someone who's conventional And wise seems radical Maybe, I'm hoping for a better time Yeah, I think a better time is possible Me too I do It's just We're in for a rough ride Yeah, I'm not disarming anytime soon Thank you, Tucker Thanks Jeff!

3:15:19Bye everybody